#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2013-03-29

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[0:00] <enque> i expected it to be in /usr/bin
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[0:01] <ShadowJK> "which ls" works for me
[0:02] <enque> still nothing
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[0:03] <enque> it doesn't matter that i am ssh into it through a terminal right?
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[0:21] <tdy_> which distribution are you using?
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[0:21] <tdy_> if arch linux, you can use `pacman -Ql' to list the installed file locations
[0:22] <tdy_> judging by the package name, it's probably not arch.. packages aren't usually split into core/libs/etc
[0:23] <tdy_> but anyway, i assume there's a simple apt-* command to list an installed package's files
[0:23] <ShadowJK> dpkg -L package
[0:23] <ShadowJK> lists files belonging to package
[0:23] <ShadowJK> iirc
[0:24] <enque> i just want to find where it is so i can run it
[0:24] <enque> because if i just try ./quassel-core
[0:24] <enque> it doesn't run
[0:24] <tdy_> why would it be in the current directory?
[0:24] <ShadowJK> dpkg -l | grep -i quassel
[0:24] <ShadowJK> ^^ lists all packages with the name "quassel" in their package names
[0:24] <ShadowJK> dpkg -L package
[0:25] <ShadowJK> ^^ lists all files belonging to package
[0:25] <enque> that returned
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[0:25] <enque> ii quassel-core 0.8.0-1 armhf distributed IRC client - core component
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[0:27] <tdy_> why did you paste it here?
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[0:27] <ShadowJK> So, I'd probably do: dpkg -L quassel-core | grip bin
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[0:27] <enque> command not found
[0:28] <enque> sorry tdy_ for pasting it
[0:28] <tdy_> replace with grep
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[0:28] <enque> ok
[0:28] <tdy_> well with 1 line a paste i fine, but i just didn't get why you pasted it here
[0:29] * Gadgetoid is building an awesome Pi microsite
[0:29] <enque> ok
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[0:29] <enque> it is where i thought it was
[0:31] <enque> but it doesn't open now
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[1:00] <Winston_Minitrue> .
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[1:04] <oriba> Today my raspberry-pi arrived. I have no Micro-USB-cable, so I can't power the baord. Can I power it via one of the normal USB ports?
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[1:06] <payroll> Most likely no.
[1:06] <tdy_> no
[1:06] <tdy_> at least not out of the box..
[1:07] <oriba> not out o f the box?
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[1:07] <oriba> you mean, the board does not allow powering via one o fthe USB ports?
[1:07] <oriba> my device would bring up to 1 A
[1:07] <tdy_> i'm sure it could be modified to do so, but at that point, you might as well just buy a microusb cable
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[1:07] <seba-> some said earlier
[1:07] <oriba> hmhhh
[1:07] <kkit> people have been saying that backfeeding power is fine on the new boards
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[1:07] <seba-> that it can be powered
[1:07] <kkit> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=20810
[1:07] <tdy_> backpowering is possible but not advised either
[1:08] <clever> oriba: you should also be able to power it thru the gpio header
[1:08] <clever> but thats bypassing the onboard fuse
[1:08] <oriba> hmhh
[1:08] <pksato> oriba: Is possible to power RPi from usb ports, but, need some precations.
[1:09] <oriba> what kind of?
[1:09] <pksato> like, no data wires connected.
[1:09] <oriba> (I have anew B-model btw.)
[1:09] <pksato> some fuse <1A
[1:09] <clever> oriba: http://elinux.org/RPi_Low-level_peripherals#General_Purpose_Input.2FOutput_.28GPIO.29
[1:10] <clever> connecting power to the 5v and ground pin should also work, and has the same thing about put a fuse on it yourself
[1:10] <pksato> GPIO is another way.
[1:10] <oriba> hmhh
[1:10] <oriba> the 3,3 V is not necessary to provide then?
[1:10] <clever> it has a 3.3v regulator on board
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[1:11] <pksato> NO. dont power 3.3V line.
[1:11] <clever> to regulate the 5v down to 3.3v
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[1:11] <clever> yeah, thats a 3.3v out, NOT IN
[1:12] <oriba> So I will look at the links from above... if USB-powering is possible. otherwise GPIO-ports are fine. And saturday it's possible to buy a micro-usb-cable then...
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[1:15] <deferred> got my ds18b20 1 wire temp sensors reporting woot
[1:16] <clever> deferred: nice
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[1:16] <deferred> have 3 on the same bus atm. going to weather proof and into the greenhouse they go
[1:19] <oriba> How to distinguish Rev.1 and Rev.2 of the B-model? The date on my board is 2011-2 which seems a bid old for a device that narrived me today and needed two weeks.... is this an old version? Or does Rev.1 mean model A and Rev.2 means model B?
[1:19] <pksato> oriba: most 512MB are rev2.
[1:20] <pksato> or all.
[1:20] <wroberts1> look for P5 connector next to sdcard
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[1:20] <pksato> have roles?
[1:20] <pksato> rev2
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[1:21] <oriba> I found P5. what do I need to look up there?
[1:21] <pksato> have F1 and F2 polyfuses near usb ports? rev1
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[1:22] <oriba> don't know
[1:22] <troulouliou_dev> hi can i use a cisco console cable as a rs232 to uart ttl converter ?
[1:23] <pksato> troulouliou_dev: no.
[1:23] <troulouliou_dev> pksato, why ?
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[1:23] <pksato> it is not ttl to rs232 converter.
[1:24] <Hodapp> troulouliou_dev: what are you trying to accomplish?
[1:24] <pksato> troulouliou_dev: these cable are a to rj45 connector?
[1:25] <troulouliou_dev> pksato, Hodapp according to this link it is
[1:25] <pksato> and, a converter, to DB9?
[1:25] <troulouliou_dev> pksato, yes
[1:25] <pksato> Its is only a rewire adapter.
[1:26] <troulouliou_dev> Hodapp, basically learning after the led blinking step :)
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[1:27] <troulouliou_dev> sorry was disconnected
[1:27] <troulouliou_dev> pksato, according to the link ; it is a RS232 to TTL/CMOS converter no ?
[1:27] <pksato> link?
[1:27] <clever> which link?
[1:27] <troulouliou_dev> http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Creating+a+Console+Cable+and+Making+a+Console+Connection/9282/1
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[1:29] <clever> thats for connecting to a tv, not a cisco switch
[1:29] <clever> i think
[1:29] <clever> it looks more like a tv then a switch!
[1:29] <oriba> Is the GPIO connector layout the same on all Boards?
[1:30] <pksato> Cisco TelePresence EX90
[1:30] <troulouliou_dev> clever, pksato ha ok misunderstood then; i have also a cable from rs232 to rj11 to manage some vipersat modem ; howcan i know it those are this kind of converter
[1:30] <pksato> not a router.
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[1:31] <troulouliou_dev> troulouliou_dev, i just cant find a maxxxx component here ;(
[1:31] <pksato> open the adapter, and esse if have a some chip.
[1:31] <pksato> see if...
[1:32] <troulouliou_dev> pksato, ok easy to understand :)
[1:32] <troulouliou_dev> thanks
[1:32] <pksato> simple ttl to rs232 can build using two npn transistors.
[1:32] <pksato> and resistors.
[1:33] <clever> also, that guide is connecting the adapter, to a usb adapter
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[1:33] <clever> so its probly doing ttl->rs232->ttl->usb
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[1:33] <clever> skip the rs232 :P
[1:35] <troulouliou_dev> pksato, you have a link for this i tuoght a max232 chip was required
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[1:36] <pksato> no. but, it is a basic eletronics.
[1:36] <clever> troulouliou_dev: a max232 chip is only needed if you want rs232
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[1:36] <clever> troulouliou_dev: https://www.sparkfun.com/products/9873
[1:36] <clever> this just gives you usb directly
[1:37] <pksato> have a usb to rs232 protocol with ttl (5v) line levels.
[1:37] <troulouliou_dev> clever, i can not order from internet in my country
[1:38] <clever> troulouliou_dev: how did you get a raspberry pi then?
[1:38] <troulouliou_dev> pksato, you mean a usb to rs232 converter is already 5v ttl complant
[1:38] <pksato> yes. some is.
[1:38] <troulouliou_dev> clever, order through a friend and pick up during a trip in belgium
[1:38] <clever> ah
[1:38] <troulouliou_dev> got 2 and 3 teensy btw :)
[1:39] <troulouliou_dev> pksato, ha ok will check now i have 2 here
[1:39] <troulouliou_dev> a trendxx and an old hp
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[1:40] <pksato> these adapter are sold to electronc DIY.
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[1:41] <troulouliou_dev> pksato, to test i have too put some data on tx and check with a voltmeter ?
[1:42] <clever> troulouliou_dev: ttl serial ports are high (+3.3v in this case) when idle
[1:42] <troulouliou_dev> clever, ha right i jsut read it on wikipedia :) thanks
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[1:45] <pksato> http://project.irone.org/simple-rs232-to-ttl-level-converter.html (replace 5V on top of R5 with 3v3)
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[1:47] <troulouliou_dev> pksato, great thanks
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[1:48] <troulouliou_dev> pksato, ftdi cable means that output is at ttl level ?
[1:48] <pksato> yes.
[1:49] <troulouliou_dev> pksato, cool i have an old hp usb to db9 converter here that is like 12 years old
[1:49] <troulouliou_dev> and debian recognize it like ftdi
[1:49] <pksato> but.
[1:49] <troulouliou_dev> pksato, FTDI USB Serial Device converter now attached to ttyUSB0
[1:50] <pksato> Its is a chipset.
[1:50] <pksato> FTDI can be connected to level converter.
[1:51] <pksato> this hp converter have a DB9 connector?
[1:51] <troulouliou_dev> pksato, so as clever set just testing tx when not connected at rs232 side
[1:51] <troulouliou_dev> and if 3.3 or 5 then i m ok for corresponding ttl range
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[1:52] <pksato> NO. RPi can damanged if 5V is put on input pins.
[1:53] <oriba> tried to power via GPIO, but it didnt worked.... it used about 7 mA current... no HDMI-device on TV :-(
[1:53] <pksato> 7mA?
[1:53] <oriba> no 70 mA it was
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[1:54] <troulouliou_dev> pksato, ok will try
[1:54] <pksato> you use correct pins?
[1:54] <oriba> I hope so...
[1:54] <oriba> pin 2 for 5 V and two pins next to it for GND
[1:54] <oriba> how much current will the board need?
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[1:55] <oriba> I limited the current (used a big supply with current limiter)
[1:55] <pksato> troulouliou_dev: careful with GPIOs pins.
[1:55] <pksato> oriba: power led lit?
[1:56] <oriba> yes a red LED was on
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[1:56] <pksato> and, ACT led flash?
[1:56] <oriba> hmhh no
[1:57] <pksato> sdcard inserted?
[1:57] <pksato> and no smoke? :)
[1:58] <oriba> yes.... SDCARD inserted and no smoke :)
[1:58] <pksato> 5V are pins 2 and 4, and 6 for GND.
[1:58] <oriba> I used only one of the 5V pins
[1:59] <oriba> aren't they internally connected?
[1:59] <pksato> yes
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[2:00] <pksato> tp1 to tp2 have 5V?
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[2:00] <oriba> ?
[2:00] <oriba> testpoints for measurement?
[2:00] <pksato> and, SD are correct 'imaged'?
[2:00] <pksato> yes, tp1 and tp2 are test points
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[2:01] <gschanuel> hi there.. i'm having a little issue with xbmc on my raspi.. i guess my raspi has so many fetures that it's colapsing :(
[2:01] <oriba> I hope I had imaged correctly. Can check that
[2:02] <gschanuel> i just copied some mp3 in an external HD, when I play them sometimes the songs got muted
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[2:02] <gschanuel> the time is elapsing, but I have no sound
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[2:02] <gschanuel> i'm downloading torrent (to a different hard drive) and my raspi is also my Access point
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[2:05] <oriba> pksato, TP1 has about 5V, but TP2 not!
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[2:06] <pksato> TP2 are GND
[2:06] <oriba> aha ... haha
[2:07] <oriba> I hope that there is no gnd loop from the power supply through the TV ...
[2:07] <pksato> may be, no proper loaded SD card.
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[2:07] <oriba> I will dd' it again
[2:08] <pksato> you dd to whole disc? /dev/sdX? or to /dev/sdX1 ?
[2:08] <oriba> hmhhh. whole disk I think
[2:09] <oriba> I just will repeat the step in case I might have done something wrong
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[2:10] <oriba> hmhh copying the image to my USB stick needs much longer than for the SD-card... possibly something has gone wrong
[2:10] <oriba> so I will do it again
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[2:18] <oriba> pksato, even I think I did the image wrong in the first place, nevertheless now with new image ... it does not work
[2:19] <oriba> no ACT flashing
[2:19] <oriba> does this mean the board does not work?
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[2:20] <oriba> any ideas what it might be?
[2:20] <oriba> gnd loop?
[2:20] <pksato> disconect HDMI
[2:20] <oriba> but then the current would go up?
[2:21] <oriba> and then?
[2:21] <oriba> aha
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[2:21] <oriba> you mean boot without HDMI?
[2:21] <pksato> and if ACT flash
[2:21] <pksato> yes
[2:22] <oriba> does not help
[2:22] <oriba> how long will it need until the ACT flashing?
[2:22] <pksato> no much,
[2:22] <oriba> possibly that SD card type is not working?
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[2:23] <troulouliou_dev> pksato, 5.7 volt is acceptable for 5 volt gpio ?
[2:23] <pksato> NO. GPIO pins are 3.3V.
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[2:23] <troulouliou_dev> pksato, for arduino ; i m using the usb serial for commnication and want debug output through uart
[2:24] <oriba> SDHC, 6 GB, class 4 .... should that work?
[2:24] <pksato> if put 5.7V on GPIO pins, you rpi goes to better place.
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[2:24] <pksato> oriba: yes.
[2:25] <pksato> SD now have a two partitions?
[2:25] <oriba> ... hmmhhh.. no?
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[2:25] <pksato> one of 56MB and other 1.8GB?
[2:25] <oriba> should it have that?
[2:25] <oriba> maybe I need to fdisk it first?
[2:25] <oriba> I just used dd
[2:26] <pksato> if corred dd, fdisk show two parttions. but, if image are for raspbian.
[2:27] <oriba> pksato, aaaaahhhh,,, I'm blind or stupid
[2:27] <oriba> hahahaha
[2:27] <oriba> I copied the zip-file to the sdcard !
[2:27] <oriba> OMG!
[2:27] <oriba> WTF
[2:27] <oriba> lol
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[2:28] <pksato>
[2:29] <pksato> just impatient.
[2:30] <oriba> and tired
[2:30] <oriba> or adhd ;-)
[2:30] <pksato> already
[2:30] <pksato> ?
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[2:30] <oriba> already what?
[2:31] <pksato> image trannsfer take arrounf 5min,
[2:31] <oriba> hmhh
[2:32] * oriba knocking with fingers on table...
[2:32] <oriba> ...yes, impatient...
[2:32] <pksato> 1.8GB on class4, take 450s.
[2:32] <oriba> hmhh
[2:33] <oriba> there are faster cards... maybe I should buy one of those
[2:33] <oriba> but expensive
[2:33] <oriba> what card do you use?
[2:33] <pksato> cheap class4
[2:34] <oriba> aha
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[2:35] <oriba> there are Class 10 cards.... with 90MB/s write
[2:35] <oriba> not sure if it's worth the price...
[2:36] <pksato> more expensive what RPi. :)
[2:37] <oriba> hahah.... the 8GB is a bit cheaper I think... but close to the RPi price :)
[2:37] <Gadgetoid> Just a silly project: http://pi.gadgetoid.com/pinout.html
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[2:37] <Gadgetoid> 100% not browser tested
[2:38] <ReggieUK> it's not worth getting a 90MB/s card for the pi
[2:38] <oriba> hmhhh, strange message: "systemd-udevd:464 get blocked more than 120 seconds"
[2:38] <wroberts1> does the kernel auto detect class, or do you manually set?
[2:38] <jimerickson> ran rpi-update just now. made my pi unbootable. is there anyway to revert it using my other working pi?
[2:39] <oriba> wroberts1, do you ask me?
[2:39] <wroberts1> anybody
[2:39] <oriba> ah
[2:39] <oriba> I thought it was related to the strange message
[2:39] <pksato> systemd?
[2:39] <oriba> yes
[2:39] <oriba> on the laptop that does the dd
[2:40] <oriba> 9 minutes ...
[2:40] <oriba> hmhh
[2:40] <oriba> ok, next try
[2:40] <oriba> wow.. the image is about 1.9 GB
[2:40] <oriba> the zip-file was about 195 MB
[2:41] <oriba> is it all zeros inside?
[2:41] <oriba> hmhhh
[2:41] <pksato> 99% are empty space. :)
[2:42] <oriba> it booooooooooooots! :-)
[2:43] <pksato> nice.
[2:43] <oriba> thanks for your supporting patience...
[2:43] <oriba> fun to have Linux on my TV :-)
[2:44] <pksato> some TV have a Linux as firmware.
[2:44] <oriba> really?
[2:44] <oriba> which one?
[2:45] * oriba is really excited to have the RPi running :-)
[2:45] <pksato> yes. check owner manual for GPL licence.
[2:45] <oriba> my Sony TV will not have it I think....
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[2:47] <pksato> http://blog.xcski.com/2007/11/03/my-tv-set-runs-linux
[2:47] <ReggieUK> I think my lg runs linux
[2:47] <ReggieUK> some samsungs definitely do
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[2:56] <chithead> almost all modern "smart" tvs run linux
[2:57] <chithead> the samsung ones are easily rooted and can be used for general purposes then
[3:03] <steve_rox> i guess its not too smart if it comes drm locked down /non rooted
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[3:03] <wictor> hello
[3:03] <ShiftPlusOne> hi
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[3:04] <wictor> what's up?
[3:04] <ShiftPlusOne> oh you know... stuff.
[3:04] <wictor> raspberry stuff
[3:04] <ShiftPlusOne> 'course
[3:05] <wictor> mine was smoking 30 min ago
[3:05] <wictor> now it's not starting
[3:05] <ShiftPlusOne> Nice, what did you do?
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[3:13] <Gadgetoid> Getting there: http://pi.gadgetoid.com/pinout.html
[3:14] <ShiftPlusOne> Gadgetoid, did you do web design at some stage?
[3:14] <Gadgetoid> ShiftPlusOne: It's my career
[3:15] <ShiftPlusOne> ah, that explains it then
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[3:15] <Gadgetoid> Don't know how I still manage to suck at it, though!
[3:15] <ShiftPlusOne> was going to say you seem to have a knack for it.
[3:16] <Gadgetoid> Somewhat, but I do so many different things that I don't particularly excel at any one
[3:16] <Gadgetoid> But thanks!
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[3:17] <ShiftPlusOne> I couldn't make a theme if my life depended on it. Whatever I try it always comes out amateurish and I can never pick up what it is that's not quite right. =/
[3:18] <timb_us> Try adding more cowbell to your themes.
[3:18] <timb_us> I hear that always helps.
[3:18] <ShiftPlusOne> Nuh, I don't think I use enough animated 'under construction' gifs.
[3:20] <Gadgetoid> The website doesn't use a single raster graphic :D
[3:21] <timb_us> Yeah ShiftPlusOne, that might be it. Is your theme part of a webring? I hear that really helps.
[3:21] <ShiftPlusOne> heh
[3:22] <ShiftPlusOne> ah, the 90s
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[3:25] <Gadgetoid> The good thing about the 90s, is there's 90 of them??? wait what?
[3:26] <Gadgetoid> Dear lord, it's 2:30am. Time to stop shooting ideas out of my brain and onto the internet, and get some much needed sleep
[3:26] * ShiftPlusOne gives Gadgetoid a judgmental look.
[3:26] <Gadgetoid> I need to stop trying to write poetry about voltage
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[3:28] <timb_us> roses are red, violets are blue, I want to send 10kW through you?
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[3:28] <Gadgetoid> Beautiful!
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[3:29] <Gadgetoid> I'd also have accepted: "Roses are red, violets are blue, and I sure hope they make up for the fact I've just vaporised your cat"
[3:29] <ShiftPlusOne> heh
[3:30] <timb_us> lol
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[3:38] <chupacabra> schroedingers?
[3:41] <timb_us> Man, making a coherent UI on a 128x64 0.96" OLED is tough...
[3:41] <chupacabra> lol
[3:41] <chupacabra> watch?
[3:42] * chupacabra heard google has a watch
[3:42] <timb_us> Making a add-on board for the RPi
[3:42] <timb_us> Though I wish my freaking Pebble would get here.
[3:42] <timb_us> Been almost a year at this point.
[3:43] <chupacabra> funny how when M$ dies all the cool form factors show back up
[3:44] <chupacabra> the wintel crtel is dead..... long live cpm
[3:44] <chupacabra> cartel
[3:45] <timb_us> Yup, poor Microsoft. I guess they were ahead of their time?
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[3:45] <timb_us> Weird thinking that.
[3:45] <chupacabra> lol no.
[3:45] <chupacabra> stifled computing for 30 years
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[3:46] <chupacabra> business thievs
[3:46] <chupacabra> e
[3:46] <timb_us> Well, in fairness the divisions that did tablets, PDAs, watches, etc. weren't really Microsoft proper.
[3:46] <timb_us> They were basically autonomous divisions with the Microsoft name.
[3:46] <chupacabra> ok, no problem
[3:47] <chupacabra> phone is dead
[3:47] <chupacabra> i had a sharp zzaurus in 2002 and it rocked
[3:48] <chupacabra> like a smartphone no touch.
[3:48] <chupacabra> i was hacking touch
[3:48] <chupacabra> and putting oses on 16 megs
[3:49] <chupacabra> that was the prob for a long wile. 16 megs would hold os or tough screen
[3:49] <chupacabra> touch
[3:49] <chupacabra> not both
[3:49] <timb_us> Yeah, my first PDA was a Philips Velo 500 running Windows CE 2.0. It was a little clamshell device. Built in 14.4 soft modem. Black and white LCD. Heh, I remember having a Casio... Shit, I can't remember the name of it. It was their Windows CE device.
[3:50] <timb_us> Normal PDA profile. Ran either a MIPS or SH3 processor, don't remember.
[3:50] <chupacabra> ya i remember it
[3:50] <chupacabra> nice to meet you.
[3:50] <timb_us> I remember getting a CF card that connected to my Qualcomm cell phone and let me get on the net at 14.4 circa 1999. Good times.
[3:50] <timb_us> Cheers man
[3:50] <chupacabra> 32 gig we got it made
[3:51] <chupacabra> ya. remember when it was hard to be a real geek
[3:52] <chupacabra> my zaurus still rocks in the cradle
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[3:52] <timb_us> When I was a kid in the 90's, I was really into electronics. I remember paying like $60 for a BASIC stamp starter kit. Now I can put together an Arduino for $5 worth of parts.
[3:53] <timb_us> A RPi is $35.
[3:53] <timb_us> I mean... Damn. Think about how far we've come in 10 years.
[3:53] <chupacabra> dude.
[3:54] <chupacabra> was asking these 'MAKE' people why kids dont make. like me always modifying something to make it what i wanted.
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[3:54] <chupacabra> they all said "Standardized testing in Schools"
[3:55] <timb_us> It's sad, isn't it?
[3:55] <chupacabra> i cant believe that would have stopped me.
[3:55] <chupacabra> i love fucking shit up then fixing it
[3:56] <chupacabra> only way to learn
[3:56] <timb_us> I always wanted to know how stuff worked. So I'd invariably break something taking it apart and then have to fix it.
[3:56] <timb_us> It's how I learned
[3:56] <timb_us> Yeah lol
[3:56] <chupacabra> exactly
[3:56] <chupacabra> even women to some extent. though not logical or mechanical
[3:57] <chupacabra> you got kids?
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[3:57] <oriba> how to access the rest of the SDcard? I have about 1.9 GB image. The sdcard has 6GB. is there a way to access the rest also? I found no obvious way to do that.
[3:57] <timb_us> Nah, not yet.
[3:58] <chupacabra> oriba, most distros offer to open it up
[3:58] <chupacabra> i got 4 timb
[3:58] <timb_us> oriba: You running Raspbian?
[3:58] <chupacabra> from 35 to 6
[3:59] <oriba> timb_us, Arch
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[3:59] <timb_us> Hah, wow, that's a spread right there.
[3:59] <chupacabra> arch is harder
[3:59] <oriba> hmhh
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[3:59] <timb_us> oriba: http://elinux.org/RPi_Resize_Flash_Partitions
[4:00] <oriba> I can try Raspbian also... I have some other sdcards laying around here. which are not used at the moment...
[4:00] <oriba> timb_us, thx
[4:00] <timb_us> In Raspbian it's easy as, well, Pi. Just load raspi-config and use the expand root option.
[4:00] <oriba> ok. sounds easy
[4:01] <chupacabra> oriba, might could talk you through but rather not. make a rasbian image
[4:01] <oriba> chupacabra, why not?
[4:01] <chupacabra> not trivial
[4:01] <oriba> hmhh
[4:01] <ReggieUK> chupacabra, PM
[4:01] <oriba> no way to hack the non-trivial things into a script? for later reuse?
[4:02] <pksato> if fs is ext4, is very easy to expand, need two steps, 1 - recreate partition, use resize2fs tools.
[4:02] <oriba> btw the board has 512 MB, even the date on the pcd is 2011
[4:03] <oriba> s/pcd/psb/
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[4:04] <oriba> strangely the boot partition is FAT!
[4:04] <chupacabra> as usual
[4:04] <oriba> aha... hmhh
[4:04] <chupacabra> my xbmc is rocking
[4:05] <chupacabra> just saying
[4:05] <timb_us> Yeah, most of these type of devices use FAT16 boot partitions oriba.
[4:05] <timb_us> Even routers!
[4:05] <oriba> why not purely Linux?
[4:06] <timb_us> Well, the ARM chip doesn't know how to read ext3/4.
[4:06] <chupacabra> dunno myself
[4:06] <oriba> aha, ok
[4:06] <timb_us> FAT16 is an old standard, so there's support built into the chips for it.
[4:06] <chupacabra> ahhh
[4:06] <ShiftPlusOne> fat16 doesn't require much code to implement
[4:06] <oriba> timb_us, ok, I see
[4:06] <timb_us> Even Risc OS uses a FAT16 boot partition. :)
[4:06] <chupacabra> rather dumb
[4:07] <oriba> it's FAT32
[4:07] <ShiftPlusOne> and there is some bootcode stored on the chip which has to start the boot proccess from the sdcard... so fat works best here.
[4:07] <chupacabra> lol
[4:07] <chupacabra> why argue about what works
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[4:08] <timb_us> A lot of routers and other embedded devices will store boot code in a small FAT partition on flash storage, then expand a SquashFS image of the actual OS into RAM to boot from, while storing configurations in NVRAM.
[4:09] <KiltedPi^> thats absolutely right timb_us. I know CISCO routers do
[4:10] <ReggieUK> really? partition on nand for bl1?
[4:10] <oriba> chupacabra, was just irritated by the fat
[4:10] <ReggieUK> I thought that was a raw read off the first block
[4:10] <timb_us> Depends on the device ReggieUK
[4:10] <chupacabra> because the network bootstrap code is all stolen and pretty much open source by default
[4:10] <ReggieUK> uboot can read from raw SD too
[4:11] <KiltedPi^> 3am, sleepy times
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[4:12] <ReggieUK> well, so far, all of the arm devices have support (on the chip at least) for configuring multiple boot modes but apart from some arbitrary ecc modes it's all about reading from the first block, the only one guaranteed to be good.
[4:12] <ReggieUK> all the arm devices I've seen*
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[4:13] <chupacabra> same here
[4:14] <chupacabra> seems to work.
[4:14] <ReggieUK> they've all had the facility to boot from multiple places (uart, nand, sd, ata, nor)
[4:16] <jimerickson> ran rpi-update to night and it made my pi unbootable. thank goodness for back ups!
[4:17] <chupacabra> fedora update has done that to me
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[4:17] <oriba> arch update was one of the first things I did... no problems here
[4:18] <oriba> jimerickson, what system do you use?
[4:18] <jimerickson> raspian on raspberrypi 512mb
[4:19] <oriba> hmhh
[4:19] <oriba> maybe I should stay with Arch...
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[4:19] <oriba> ;-)
[4:20] <oriba> "2GB is enough" ;-)
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[4:33] <timb_us> Hmmm, weird... Enlightenment runs so much better on Raspbian Wheezy compared to Arch
[4:33] <timb_us> I must be missing something...
[4:36] <ShiftPlusOne> raspbian has some optimisation that I don't quite understand
[4:37] <ShiftPlusOne> something to do with libraries and memcpy
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[4:39] <ShiftPlusOne> check the "raspi-copies-and-fills" package in raspbian
[4:39] <ShiftPlusOne> at least that's what I suspect makes the difference
[4:39] <ShiftPlusOne> https://github.com/bavison/arm-mem
[4:40] <timb_us> There's still no OpenGL acceleration in X, right?
[4:40] <timb_us> I turned on OpenGL mode in Enlightenment and it didn't complain...
[4:40] <ShiftPlusOne> And looks like there won't be
[4:40] <timb_us> And things seemed to get faster/smoother...
[4:40] <ShiftPlusOne> http://elinux.org/RPi_Xorg_rpi_Driver
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[4:42] <ShiftPlusOne> I am an idiot when it comes to this topic, but the rpi gpu is good at a specific set of things. X11 tends to do lots of writes with just a few pixels at a time. There is no way to optimize that, since the processing required to group those writes chews through the cpu.
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[4:42] <ShiftPlusOne> well, that's my limited understanding. I am looking forward to wayland though.
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[4:46] <timb_us> Interesting.
[4:46] <timb_us> That's a shame.
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[5:26] <ReggieUK> I thought the issue was 2d acelleration rather than gles specific stuff?
[5:26] <ShiftPlusOne> The issue is x11. The GPU can handle 2d just fine.
[5:27] <ReggieUK> you learn something new everyday :)
[5:27] <ShiftPlusOne> Yeah, I tend to make stuff up and present it as fact.
[5:28] <ReggieUK> oh cool, tell me more :D
[5:28] <ShiftPlusOne> iirc there are hw accelerated versions of SDL for the pi, for example.
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[5:30] <ReggieUK> sure, I know the gpu is capable of 2d acelleration
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[5:36] <ReggieUK> ahh, I hadn't seen that forum post from teh_orp ShiftPlusOne, just read it
[5:37] <oriba> ..
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[5:38] <ReggieUK> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=28294
[5:38] <ShiftPlusOne> It's a shame he seems to have gone missing in action though.
[5:39] <oriba> oohh... 5:39 am, need to get some sleep....
[5:39] <ShiftPlusOne> Oh and it seems that earlier I was just badly paraphrasing jamesh ("As I understand it, X (and esp. the browsers using it) are proving to be almost impossible to accelerate because they are so bad! In effect they are doing lots of one (or very few) pixel operations throughout the rendering process, which are, sadly, impossible to accelerate because the overhead of packaging them up and sending
[5:39] <ShiftPlusOne> for acceleration is worse than just drawing the pixel.")
[5:40] <oriba> no acceleration for me now ;-) nice channel; cu
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[5:44] <ReggieUK> it's a wonder then, with x being so poor but android written with gpu in mind, why the android port stalled?
[5:44] <ryao> What is wrong with X?
[5:44] <ReggieUK> poor on the pi with regard to drawing quickly :D
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[5:45] <ryao> That can be fixed.
[5:46] <ryao> There are only about 124 million pixels if you render 1080p at 60fps. If the Raspberry Pi's process can render 2 to 3 per cycle, it could render a full X environment with time to spare.
[5:47] <ryao> s/2 to 3 per cycle/1 per 2 to 3 cycles/
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[6:01] <mbalho> someone should re-port firefoxOS to the pi!
[6:01] <mbalho> then i could teach kids how to make webgl games on it
[6:01] <mbalho> (i say re-port because it was ported as a proof of concept back in august but that port hasnt been updated)
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[6:14] <ryao> mbalho: Or they could just update the port.
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[6:18] <techman2> having another OS option is never a bad thing
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[6:25] <mbalho> ryao: the person who did the port isnt affiliated with mozilla
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[6:33] <Syliss> anyone have an mk/ug 80X stick?
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[6:34] <ryao> mbalho: How is that relevant?
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[6:48] <Triffid_Hunter> hi all, I did a raspi-upgrade recently and now omxplayer won't play _anything_, just spits out a couple of stats, makes the screen flicker for like 1 frame then says 'have a nice day' and quits
[6:48] <Triffid_Hunter> is this a known problem? is there a fix?
[6:52] <mbalho> ryao: just providing context
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[7:38] <xiambax> Whats new and exciting in the world of RPi?
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[7:41] <Armand> "New" = I changed my project's websites..
[7:41] <Armand> "Exciting"... Dunno. :P
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[7:42] <xiambax> What is your project?
[7:42] <Armand> solar-powered webservers. :)
[7:43] <xiambax> Oh that cools.
[7:43] <xiambax> I have 4 rpi
[7:44] <xiambax> One running a wireless set of headphones via shairport
[7:44] <xiambax> one as a piratebox
[7:44] <Armand> I only have one.. I'll be expanding after I go on my holiday in April.
[7:44] <xiambax> one as a webserver
[7:44] <xiambax> and i have two extras doing nothing at the moment
[7:44] <Armand> :/
[7:44] <xiambax> i need to order some relays and learn some home automation
[7:44] <Armand> I want another 3 + solar panels.
[7:44] <xiambax> Are they not fairly cheap?
[7:45] <Armand> Yup, but I've only recently started a new job.
[7:45] <xiambax> How much are they?
[7:45] <Armand> I'm working for a webhost/server provider.
[7:45] <Armand> 20W panel is about ?25..
[7:45] <xiambax> Doing server admin?
[7:45] <Armand> Different stuff.. I've been doing LOTS of site migrations.
[7:46] <Armand> I'm looking at Sysadmin in the longterm.
[7:46] <xiambax> So pulling mysql data bases over and what not?
[7:46] <Armand> Yessir
[7:47] <Armand> And beating CMSs into submission. :P
[7:47] <xiambax> Someone found my OpenBSD ssh server and tried to brute force it last week
[7:47] <xiambax> i started losing it
[7:47] <xiambax> Ive never seen someone try to hack me before.
[7:48] <Armand> O_O
[7:48] <xiambax> I have two ports open
[7:48] <Armand> Auto firewall after 5 failed attempts ?
[7:48] <xiambax> 80 to my rpi and 22 to my openbsd server.
[7:48] <xiambax> I only have a firewall working on my router which is running weird russian firmware
[7:48] <xiambax> i wish it had ipv6 support too
[7:49] <xiambax> i need to get a cheap atam pfsense firewall setup.
[7:49] <Armand> HTTP and SFTP ?
[7:50] <Armand> I'd probably get rid of the shitty router. My rPi hasn't had any attempts made on it.
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[7:50] <Armand> Worst I had was a load of spambots trying to register accounts on Drupal. :P
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[7:50] <Armand> Ditched Drupal, problem solved. lol
[7:51] <xiambax> I have an ASUS RT-N56U
[7:51] <xiambax> Its a good little router but i want something more robust
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[7:52] <xiambax> If someone hacked my RPi I wouldn't care.
[7:52] <Armand> No, just reinstall it.
[7:52] <xiambax> Exactly.
[7:52] <Armand> Not like it's hard to reflash an SD
[7:52] <Armand> It's more the time it takes. :/
[7:52] <xiambax> I want to order a rack and some old cisco hardware
[7:53] <xiambax> and maybe a few sun systems to play with
[7:53] <Armand> Nice..
[7:53] <xiambax> old sun systems sell pretty cheap these days.
[7:53] <Armand> We have some old Sun bits here.. but I think they are scrap
[7:53] <Armand> lemme go see.
[7:54] <xiambax> http://www.ebay.ca/itm/SUN-MICROSYSTEMS-SUN-FIRE-V250-SERVER-DUAL-CPUs-8-GB-RAM-DUAL-PSUs-/290885221343?pt=COMP_EN_Servers&hash=item43ba1c3bdf&_uhb=1#ht_500wt_1156
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[8:24] <Armand> xiambax, looks like we ditched the Sun kit. :/
[8:25] <xiambax> Understandable
[8:25] <xiambax> apparently they are power suckers
[8:26] <Armand> We're using LOTS of Dell units now.. R610/620s and up.
[8:29] <gordonDrogon> morning ...
[8:29] <Armand> Morning, gordonDrogon
[8:29] <Armand> home.baked-pi.co.uk ^_^
[8:30] <Armand> I have the .com too. :P
[8:30] <gordonDrogon> what's it for?
[8:31] <gordonDrogon> and ... is it running on a pi :)
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[8:33] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: I started this last night: http://pi.gadgetoid.com/pinout.html
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[8:35] <gordonDrogon> ah, good!
[8:35] <gordonDrogon> my task this weekend is to get wiringpi.com off the ground.
[8:35] <gordonDrogon> with a forum and to block the comments on the old site.
[8:36] <gordonDrogon> incidentally wiringPi now has wiringPiSetupPhys() and you can use the physical pin numbering on the P1 connector (only)
[8:37] <gordonDrogon> I'm sure I saw one of the python libraries do it that way too.
[8:37] <Grievre> What's the point of wiringPi?
[8:38] <yehnan> gordonDrogon: My rpi and real time clock ...it worked. thanks.
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[8:42] <Armand> gordonDrogon, the portal site and forum are running on my employer's cloud hosting platform. ;)
[8:42] <Armand> I'm going to use rPi to host smaller sites.
[8:43] <Armand> All of my rPi hosts will be solar powered
[8:43] <gordonDrogon> ok
[8:43] <gordonDrogon> Grievre, it's a library to help you access the GPIO pins on the Pi.
[8:44] <gordonDrogon> Grievre, it also provides various 'helper' libraries too - for SPI and I2C as well as driver for some for popular hardware.
[8:50] <geordie> gordonDrogon: i've got a Piface Digital i'm having trouble with. when i run wiringPi/examples/piface nothing happens with the piface
[8:51] <gordonDrogon> geordie, hello.
[8:51] <geordie> hi gordonDrogon
[8:51] <gordonDrogon> is the SPI driver loaded?
[8:51] <geordie> yes
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[8:52] <gordonDrogon> it's difficult to debug as it's hard to get anything back from the piface.
[8:52] <gordonDrogon> the piface example is supposed to light the first 4 leds when you push the 4 buttons.
[8:53] <geordie> i get nothing at all when i press the buttons while the example is running
[8:53] <geordie> it was working when i first got it
[8:53] <plugwash> doesn't the piface use a microchip io expander?
[8:53] <gordonDrogon> yes, mcp23s17
[8:54] <gordonDrogon> ok - it was working. now not.
[8:54] <gordonDrogon> I've just compiled up the current wiringPi and piface test program, plugged a piface into a pi and it's working.
[8:55] <gordonDrogon> so at least something is :)
[8:55] <geordie> i think that my son may have fried it by plugging it into the GPIO pins offset by a row or two
[8:55] <gordonDrogon> So... things to check - make sure the spi driver really is loaded - use gpio load spi
[8:55] <geordie> ok
[8:55] <gordonDrogon> then .. a-ha... check it's plugged in ok.
[8:56] <gordonDrogon> trying to work out how hard it is to fry it if it's a pin out.
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[8:58] <gordonDrogon> the wirst way is putting it to the SD card side - that'll connect a ground pin on the piface to +5v
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[8:58] <gordonDrogon> but then the +5 will also be at +5v, so it shouldn't have much effect.
[8:59] <gordonDrogon> I'd go through a power down, remove/check/replace power up cycle if not already done it, then load the spi driver with gpio load spi
[8:59] <Triffid_Hunter> I did an rpi-update recently and now omxplayer doesn't work anymore.. tried the latest from its homepage to no avail.. no error message, just shows one black frame and exits saying 'have a nice day'
[8:59] <Triffid_Hunter> anyone know anything about that?
[8:59] <geordie> gordonDrogon: thanks
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[9:00] <gordonDrogon> geordie, let me know how you get on with that..
[9:01] <gordonDrogon> the down-side of the production piFaces is that the chips are SMT rather than the through hole of the prototypes.
[9:01] <geordie> will do. i'll test it on two different machines as wel...
[9:01] <gordonDrogon> the chips themselves are cheap (< ?1) but if you can't rework them, then it's almost impossible to fix.
[9:02] <Grievre> gordonDrogon: Er, isn't it already pretty easy to access the GPIO pins anyway?
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[9:04] <gordonDrogon> Grievre, sure, but wiringPi makes it easy for people who've come from an arduino background.
[9:04] <plugwash> I'd be more worried about frying the Pi than frying the IO expander
[9:04] <plugwash> my experiance with microchip products is they are pretty tough
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[9:04] <gordonDrogon> yes, they are :) I've had a couple get somewhat hot during my testing ;)
[9:06] <gordonDrogon> plugwash, on the pi side - the worst you can do is put 5v into a 3.3v pin - and I think that's fairly hard even if you offset a connector by 1 each way. You could end up with 5v going into your peripheral though.
[9:06] <plugwash> AIUI 5V on a PI io line will most likely fry the IO line
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[9:08] <Grievre> It'd be nice if someone sold a board that was basically equivalent to the Pi but with things like IO protection
[9:08] <Grievre> and more stuff broken out
[9:08] <gordonDrogon> Grievre, the Gertboard is mostly that, but there really isn;t much more to be broken out though.
[9:09] <john-f> would a sd card hooked up to the gpio spi pins go as fast as the built in reader?
[9:09] <john-f> roughly speaking
[9:09] <plugwash> IIRC SPI mode on SD cards is quite a lot slower than the 4 bit parallel mode used by the Pi
[9:09] <gordonDrogon> john-f, unlikely.
[9:10] <Grievre> gordonDrogon: Er, I2S, some more GPIO pins and the second I2C bus
[9:10] <Blueness|> is it a bad idea to use a resistor to limit current from a 5V signal to a 3.3V GPIO pin instead of doing some stepdown conversion
[9:10] <gordonDrogon> Grievre, yea, maybe. the 2nd I2C is available though.
[9:10] <Blueness|> i remember doing it for one of my projects which ended up working
[9:11] <Blueness|> but never sure it was a good idea lol
[9:11] <gordonDrogon> Blueness|, you need 2 resistors and it's the voltage youre limiting not the current.
[9:11] <Blueness|> yea for voltage it would make sense
[9:11] <Triffid_Hunter> 180r, 330r resistor divider works a treat
[9:11] <Blueness|> but just a single resistor just to limit current, would that work?
[9:11] <gordonDrogon> personally I use 3.3K and 2.2K
[9:11] <gordonDrogon> Blueness|, No.
[9:11] <Blueness|> i thought higher currents is what fries the board
[9:12] <gordonDrogon> Blueness|, voltages.
[9:12] <plugwash> A resistor in series will result in the voltage being limted by the ESD protection diode in the IO pin, what we don't know is how much current that diode can safely take
[9:12] <Blueness|> yea probably a bad idea lol
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[9:12] <Triffid_Hunter> Blueness|: with just a single resistor you're relying on the protection diode inside the chip to prevent overvoltage.. if something's happened to it, goodbye gpio
[9:12] <Blueness|> thank your Triffid_Hunter and noted :)
[9:13] <Blueness|> *you
[9:13] <john-f> ah ok didn't know it used the 4 wire
[9:14] <gordonDrogon> john-f, you can drive the Pi's SPI at 32MHz, but even then, it's only 4MB/sec. (assuming no latencys, etc. which there are in the hardware and kernel0
[9:16] <john-f> that explains why it hasn't been done before
[9:17] * plugwash is pretty sure a SD card on the SPI has been done before
[9:17] <geordie> gordonDrogon: mirabile dictu - it works on one of the RPIs now
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[9:17] <Grievre> gordonDrogon: although with current raspbian kernel, you can't actually use both I2C buses at once
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[9:18] <geordie> time to look closer at the other one (which is an early revision)
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[9:19] <gordonDrogon> geordie, ok!
[9:20] <gordonDrogon> Grievre, you need to 'manually' change the pin modes for the hidden bus, but I thought the kernel could use both...
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[9:21] <Grievre> gordonDrogon: The second one works just fine for me on its own, it's when you try to use both simultaneously that it glitches out
[9:21] <gordonDrogon> Grievre, however then you get into the depths of it all, and I sort of thing at that point, that maybe the Pi might not be the best thing for whatever project needs you to have that much into it...
[9:21] <gordonDrogon> ah, ok.
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[9:21] <Grievre> gordonDrogon: Run a program that writes randomly to i2c-1, then run i2cdetect -a -y 0
[9:21] <Grievre> random phantom addresses will show as present
[9:21] <gordonDrogon> Grievre, oh well.
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[9:23] <nkh> Hi, where can I find a staticly linked binary of "dd" ?
[9:23] <gordonDrogon> nkh, why?
[9:24] <Triffid_Hunter> nkh: some particular reason cat won't work?
[9:24] <nkh> gordonDrogon: mmmm..... why I never though about making an image from the nand bu cat? :D
[9:25] <nkh> gordonDrogon: Thanks a lot, Man !
[9:25] * nkh feels stupid
[9:25] <gordonDrogon> I've not done anything.
[9:25] <gordonDrogon> I'm just curious about why you need a statically linked version of any program under linux (cat is dynamically linked too)
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[9:26] <nkh> gordonDrogon: bcz I've a device with cramFs on it and I can't install anything on it, I wanted to backup the nand and it also have not dd installed
[9:26] <gordonDrogon> ah ok.
[9:27] <gordonDrogon> yea, cat and cp will copy block devices if you ask them to.
[9:27] <nkh> gordonDrogon: by the way, does cat do exactly the same for me here? I mean just like cat /dev/mtd > /mnt/backup.img is enough ?
[9:28] <nkh> gordonDrogon: even for a nand device which is not a block device? :-/
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[9:29] <Triffid_Hunter> nkh: yeah should do, dd is a relic from an age when writes had to be a particular size.. pretty sure the kernel sorts it out these days
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[9:29] <geordie> gordonDrogon: the piface fails consistently on the older RPI and passes consistently on the newer RPI
[9:29] <Triffid_Hunter> and reading a block device into a file doesn't care about block size anyway
[9:30] <gordonDrogon> geordie, sounds like the SPI bus on the older Pi may have been cooked...
[9:31] <geordie> any simple way to test for that?
[9:31] <nkh> gordonDrogon: Triffid_Hunter: hmm, thank you guys :)
[9:31] <geordie> other than with another spi device...
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[9:32] <plugwash> I doubt the SPI controller has been cooked if anything has been cooked it's probablly the IO lines themselves
[9:32] <plugwash> so get out some wires, resistors LEDs etc and start testing those lines
[9:33] <geordie> gordonDrogon: thanks for the practical advice and sanity check
[9:34] <geordie> plugwash: i will do that. a good project for my son and i
[9:34] <gordonDrogon> I have a little test script that tests the Pi's GPIO lines for their ability to read inputs. can't check outputs without adding hardware.
[9:34] <geordie> where might i find that script?
[9:35] <gordonDrogon> trying to find it myself - brb :)
[9:35] * geordie is learning all of this stuff on the fly
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[9:38] <gordonDrogon> tht's ok - I just make it up as I go along ;-)
[9:39] <gordonDrogon> if you: cd ; wget http://unicorn.drogon.net/gpiotest.sh
[9:39] <gordonDrogon> chmod +x gpio.sh ; ./gpiotest.sh
[9:39] <gordonDrogon> make sure nothing is plugged into the Pi first though.
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[9:39] <geordie> thanks
[9:40] <gordonDrogon> it will upset things like the I2C and SPI modules.
[9:40] <gordonDrogon> so you may need to reload/reboot afterwards.
[9:40] <gordonDrogon> but all it's doing is input pin tests. it uses the on-board pull-up/pull-down resistors to simulate inputs... crude but efective.
[9:42] <gordonDrogon> hm. just noticed a bug in it. think I'll improve it and make it partof the wiringPi distribution.
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[9:49] <gordonDrogon> after breakfast :)
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[9:55] <geordie> gordonDrogon: running gpiotest.sh on the older pi results in many failures
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[9:55] <geordie> whereas on the newer pi it runs with no errors
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[10:20] <Chetic> how much current is required from the pi if I plug all external devices into a powered usb hub?
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[10:22] <Chetic> I have two usb devices that draw up to 500mA, is it even doable?
[10:22] <Chetic> I'm using a powered usb hub but having a lot of disconnection issues with the wifi dongle
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[10:35] <nid0> the pi draws in the ballpark of 400mA ish with no usb devices plugged in
[10:36] <tonyhughes> That moment when you try your old root password 20 times, not remembering you changed it this morning.
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[10:37] <jelly1> I had a cable which couldn't draw enough power
[10:38] <jelly1> really weird
[10:38] <jelly1> other cable worked
[10:39] <Ben64> shorter cable for pi is better
[10:39] <jelly1> Ben64: it was a short cable, but from dealextreme :P
[10:40] <Ben64> theres your problem
[10:40] <jelly1> Ben64: lol
[10:40] <Ben64> get cables from monoprice
[10:40] <jelly1> ah
[10:40] <Ben64> really cheap, based in US
[10:41] <Ben64> not free shipping, but free pickup if you happen to live near them, which i do :D
[10:42] * jelly1 doesn't
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[10:43] <Ben64> best cables i've seen
[10:43] <jelly1> Ben64: has to go to europe :P
[10:43] <Ben64> oh :(
[10:43] <jelly1> but i have enough micro usb cables now
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[10:55] <Gadgetoid> Oooo, my microsite looks soooo good on the iPad, but I have a raging awful headache now :(
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[11:09] <gordonDrogon> geordie, hi - it does sound like the older Pi has lost some input pads then...
[11:10] <gordonDrogon> geordie, sounds like you have a new set-top Pi media player ;-)
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[11:14] <geordie> luckily i have two more
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[11:16] <gordonDrogon> :)
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[11:17] <gordonDrogon> I've never seen gpiotest.sh generate errors for real - I tested it by deliberately connecting some pins to 0v and +3.3v when running it though.
[11:17] <gordonDrogon> so I guess it's a worthwhile program to include.
[11:17] <gordonDrogon> which means I have to polish it up a little and write some documentation :)
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[11:26] <Kasreyn> some times i have start up issues pluggin in power, red LED lights up never followed up with green. replug the cable a couple of times it usually works. can this be fixed?
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[11:34] <troulouliou_dev> hi can i add more swap through a usb pen ? i don't mind about performance but i have a pi used as a redmine serveur with svn and git and at full opeation i have only 20- 50 meg left
[11:36] <nid0> can you not increase the swap on your sd card?
[11:37] <troulouliou_dev> how i already increase the root filesystem
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[11:43] <Caribou|> what's the webserver/forum of raspberry coded in ? It's really fast
[11:44] <nid0> troulouliou_dev: assuming you're using raspbian, the swap is just a file at /var/swap, not a separate partition#
[11:44] <nid0> so you can change its size at will
[11:44] <troulouliou_dev> nid0, ha ok great
[11:44] <nid0> Caribou|: phpbb
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[11:45] <nid0> and the server's apache
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[11:45] <Caribou|> alright, nothing weird then
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[11:45] <Caribou|> it's just fast :C
[11:45] <Caribou|> and i'm not used to that
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[11:48] <nid0> not meaning to state the obvious but you can get pretty much any site fast by configuring it sensibly, their phpbb forum is setting caching cookies and is transferring its content compressed, plus just is a minimal theme
[11:50] <Caribou|> yes indeed, it seems that no one is setting their website well then :]
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[11:50] <nid0> most people dont, no
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[11:52] <nid0> as an example, admittedly its empty but http://www.ratherdisturbing.co.uk/ < pretty happy with how fast wordpress served from a pi can be made to run
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[11:54] <Caribou|> oh nice, very fast as well
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[12:00] <nkh> Hi, is it possible to cat a filesystem image to one of the mtd partitions when the system is runnig?
[12:00] <nkh> I see it's possible to read it like cat /dev/mtd1 > myimage.img
[12:00] <nkh> but is it possible to programm the Nand just like cat myimage > /dev/mtd1 ? or this will burn my device? :D
[12:00] <nkh> [ it's not a Raspberry ]
[12:01] <nid0> you want to write from an image to a mounted partition while running from that partition?
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[12:02] <nkh> nid0: Mmm actually I really don't need to change the root fs, my /usr is in another partition, I can unmount that , but the whole system is on the same mtd
[12:05] <nkh> nid0: I was googling and I saw that there are some commands like flash_eraseall and nandwrite and so ... is that possible with cat to the mtd partition under /dev , at all ?
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[12:11] <nkh> nid0: any idea?
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[12:19] <troulouliou_dev> nkh, better use dd no
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[12:20] <nkh> troulouliou_dev: I don't have dd on the device , there's no problem with cat, I just don't know if programming the flash just like this is ok or not
[12:20] <troulouliou_dev> nkh, ha ok this i don't know
[12:21] <nkh> troulouliou_dev: hmm, then if I had dd , I could unmount the partition while the rest of system is running and then dd to /dev/mtd4 for example? is that ok for the Nand flash ?
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[12:22] <troulouliou_dev> nkh, you can not have a serial connection at bootloader level or something like this ?
[12:22] <troulouliou_dev> total noob here btw :)
[12:22] <nbookham> Using PiBang Linux right now! Such a great distro!
[12:23] <nkh> troulouliou_dev: no, I just can telnet to device, I should do some elctronics to connect to the device ... then I prefer to program it while it's running, if it does not harm the Nand
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[12:44] <gordonDrogon> pibang linux?
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[12:45] <clever> nkh: from what ive seen, dd into a mtd device is bad, because it will store data in the bad blocks
[12:46] <clever> nkh: mtd seems to expose the bad block info to the system (it doesnt hide it like sd cards or ssd's), so you need to be aware of them when writting
[12:46] <gordonDrogon> dd just copies blocks from one file to another. just like any other file copy program.
[12:47] <gordonDrogon> user-space tools are not really designed to be aware of the bad blocks, or otherwise of underlying hardware. that's the device drivers job.
[12:47] <gordonDrogon> (or filesystems)
[12:47] <jimerickson> is it possible to use yubikey with my pi? so far it just causes pi to crash when i insert it.
[12:48] <gordonDrogon> jimerickson, thought it was supposed to look like a bog-standard keyboard? Odd that it causes it to crash then..
[12:48] <gordonDrogon> I looked at them briefly a while back, but didn't get one at the time..
[12:49] <jimerickson> yes i was rather surprised
[12:50] <nkh> clever: gordonDrogon: thank you guys ... then I should find some another way ... :)
[12:50] <gordonDrogon> I doubt it would be taking too much current either..
[12:50] * Gadgetoid adds some history.pushState magic to his site
[12:50] <gynter> http://sphotos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/535784_562210473800546_418871979_n.jpg
[12:50] <gordonDrogon> nkh, you still trying to backup your SD card?
[12:50] <clever> nkh: i believe the correct way is to use a program, i think its called nandflash
[12:51] <Gadgetoid> And I've moved it here: http://pi.gadgetoid.com/pinout
[12:52] <nkh> gordonDrogon: No i just did my backup with cat ( thanks to you :D ) , by the way it's a Nand not a SD
[12:52] <nkh> clever: that works from the target , right ?
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[12:53] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: any ideas ( concerns wiringPi )? http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=320227&sid=0eef952b2e7d5ee8f9e80253c8bf2572#p320227
[12:53] <clever> nkh: i think, i havent really used mtd much yet
[12:53] <Gadgetoid> I clearly need a gertboard
[12:53] <nkh> clever: hmm Thank you, I think I saw that on TI wiki , I look after it :)
[12:54] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, Hm. let me look deeper. I've not changed that code though.
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[12:56] <gordonDrogon> Looks ok - let me hook up a Gertboard and check though.
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[12:58] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Yeah I can't see any reason why I'd go awry either
[12:59] <gordonDrogon> just testing now..
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[13:00] <pa> hi
[13:01] <pa> stupid question: a nice , steamlined, way to backup (and possibly restore) the system on the sdcard?
[13:01] <pa> streamlined
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[13:01] <pa> with a regular hard drive one option could be "cat /dev/sdX > file" and vice versa
[13:02] <clever> pa: that can also be done with sd cards
[13:02] <pa> this would clone everything, including MBR, partition table, etc.
[13:02] <pa> ah great
[13:02] <pa> so i try :)
[13:02] <pa> so i can also do the opposite, and it will restore, right?
[13:02] <clever> yep
[13:02] <pa> great :)
[13:03] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, Hm. They are all over the place. oops. let me find out why...
[13:04] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Yikes!
[13:06] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, ok, works with old wiringPi - now to find out what I broke :)
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[13:07] <gordonDrogon> Ah. I broke it when I added in the physical pin numbering scheme. Someone asked me for that, I'll blame him...
[13:08] <gordonDrogon> Looks like it's only digitalWrite() that's affecte - a copy & paste error.
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[13:10] <gordonDrogon> however I adn't actually intended you to release it to the public at large yet- I've not released it myself yet ;-)
[13:10] <gordonDrogon> but it good for testing..
[13:11] <Gadgetoid> Yeah, I didn't think you'd expected it to be released
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[13:11] <Gadgetoid> Might have been a little overexcited at how awesome it is!
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[13:12] <gordonDrogon> :)
[13:12] <gordonDrogon> testing the fix now.
[13:12] <Encrypt> Hi everybody ! :)
[13:12] <Encrypt> I've been installing Barracudadrive and I'm wondering something...
[13:12] <gordonDrogon> if you want to directly edit yours, the look in wiringPi.c, search for digitalWrite and you might see the place. There are 2 instances of WPI_MODE_GPIO - the middle one ought to be WPI_MODE_PHYS
[13:13] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: On it!
[13:13] <Encrypt> Barracudadrive requires that the owner of the filesystem on which we put data is "bdd" and the group "daemon"
[13:13] <gordonDrogon> yes, that works fine.
[13:13] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: That reminds me, I've chosen not to submodule wiringPi into my wrappers so I can diverge from your code if I need to fix quirky build errors
[13:14] <Encrypt> But we had already data from different users, so without the correct group and owner for Barracudadrive
[13:14] <Gadgetoid> And I might see about putting a louder warning about getting wiringPi from your git repository on github
[13:14] <Encrypt> But the, I added "daemon" and "bdd" to the groups of the users...
[13:14] <Gadgetoid> Although I'll have to be clear about where I diverge- which I'm trying to do at the moment, to avoid you getting support requests you can't reasonably answer
[13:15] <Encrypt> Apparently, when trying to upload a file, it displays "Size : 0" as if all files were empty...
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[13:15] <Encrypt> Has anyone installed BDD on the RPi and got the same issue ?
[13:17] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, my quite test on the multiboard: http://unicorn.drogon.net/gpio-test.jpg
[13:18] <Gadgetoid> I suddenly require that board. Is that an ATMega!?
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[13:18] <gordonDrogon> yes.
[13:18] * Gadgetoid zooms in??? cries
[13:18] <gordonDrogon> the pin layout is the same as an arduino, but a bit closer.
[13:19] <Gadgetoid> It's??? it's beautiful
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[13:20] <Gadgetoid> That'd drive an EL wire inverter for sure
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[13:23] <schmodd> anyone tried chameleon v0.3.1 so far? i cant boot it :/
[13:24] <Encrypt> Nope, sorry
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[13:26] <Encrypt> Well... it seems that's really a mater of owner...
[13:26] <Encrypt> matter*
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[13:39] <fr0g911> .
[13:40] <fr0g911> i've used chameleonpi worked pretty good but didn't care for it lol so formatted it
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[13:43] <ShiftPlusOne> =D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzbAZemmMlc
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[13:43] <ShiftPlusOne> Looks like I get me a nice multimeter =)
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[13:47] <fr0g911> cheap?
[13:47] <ShiftPlusOne> free
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[13:48] <fr0g911> for reals
[13:48] <ShiftPlusOne> http://youtu.be/TzbAZemmMlc?t=8m22s
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[13:49] <Gadgetoid> Python users, y u no: "from wiringpi import *" ?
[13:49] <ShiftPlusOne> (potentially NSFW language warning on that link)
[13:50] <jelly1> Gadgetoid: cause it's wrong
[13:50] <fr0g911> lol
[13:50] <fr0g911> nice
[13:52] <Gadgetoid> jelly1: If it's wrong, then why even have the ability to do it?
[13:52] <jelly1> Gadgetoid: no clue, iirc it's not recommended
[13:52] <Gadgetoid> Seems if your functions aren't going to trample anything, there's no harm
[13:52] <jelly1> you could ask it in ##python
[13:52] <Gadgetoid> Fair point, although I think WiringPi users have more justification for bringing their environment closer to Arduino
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[13:58] <Gadgetoid> Great success gordonDrogon, fix works
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[14:00] <seba-> i'm drinking now caffeine + taurine + lecithin + piracetam
[14:00] <seba-> hm
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[14:05] <gordonDrogon> seba-, sounds like one of those 'energy' drinks ...
[14:05] <seba-> oh
[14:05] <seba-> wrong channel
[14:05] <seba-> lol
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[14:13] <biberao> hi
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[14:15] <IT_Sean> Good morning
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[14:28] <gordonDrogon> Hm. aftermorning - coming up to lunch time too.
[14:29] <gordonDrogon> think I'll go & put mine in the oven to roast... (belly pork today!)
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[14:32] <biberao> whos running android on pi?
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[14:39] <gordonDrogon> <tumbleweed />
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[14:47] <dangerousdave> can anyone help with http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=64&t=38793&sid=d65cce0dbf1c02d1843ac226d887159f
[14:47] <dangerousdave> please
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[14:58] <JohannesG> anyone here that has setup an irc server on the Pi? any recommendations on what IRC daemon I should go for? any good place to start?
[14:59] <JohannesG> i've tried out ircd-hybrid, ircd-seven, charybdis and some others but i'm having trouble deciding :P
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[15:00] <gordonDrogon> dangerousdave, have you tried putting the resolution explicitly into config.txt?
[15:02] <dangerousdave> gordonDrogon: the frame_buffer width and height?
[15:04] <gordonDrogon> dangerousdave, yes. e.g. in one of mine, I have: framebuffer_width=1366 & framebuffer_height=768
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[15:04] <gordonDrogon> that's to an hdmi TV though.
[15:05] <dangerousdave> gordonDrogon: ill try, thanks
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[15:11] <dangerousdave> gordonDrogon: still no luck with mode 16, but with mode 15 the resolution is correct, but it's very blurred.
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[15:12] <gordonDrogon> dangerousdave, not sure what else to suggest then - I've never used those vga adapters..
[15:12] <dangerousdave> gordonDrogon: ok, thanks for your help though
[15:12] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, another issue with wiringPython? I've repled to the forum...
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[15:12] <buzzsaw> my pi is on a truck for delivery :-)
[15:13] <IT_Sean> WOO!
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[15:13] <buzzsaw> lets just hope I dont need the USB hub for this wifi card :-)
[15:14] <IT_Sean> do you not have a powered USB hub?
[15:15] <buzzsaw> not yet :-)
[15:15] <IT_Sean> what's the current rating on the wifi adapter?
[15:15] <buzzsaw> well I am going to set it to rfmonitor so...
[15:15] <IT_Sean> That tells me nothing.
[15:15] <buzzsaw> card is at home I will have to look it up
[15:16] <buzzsaw> IT_Sean: it should say something :-) it wont need the full power for tx when it only is rx
[15:19] <IT_Sean> What are you planning on using it for?
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[15:19] <buzzsaw> IT_Sean: someone got all hurt last time I was talking about it in here
[15:20] <IT_Sean> wardriving?
[15:20] <buzzsaw> fasly accused me of doing illigal things ;-)
[15:20] <buzzsaw> nope
[15:20] <IT_Sean> then what?
[15:20] <buzzsaw> well *sortOf*
[15:20] <IT_Sean> ooh, i remember that. Meh... some people need to get over themselves.
[15:20] <buzzsaw> lol
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[15:21] <buzzsaw> the idea is to setup devices at different locations and then monitor who is close and look at movement based off probe requests
[15:21] <IT_Sean> neeeat.
[15:22] <buzzsaw> yeah and I think the Pi is a good platform due to its cost
[15:22] <IT_Sean> so, basically, tracking the movement of wifi based devices between nodes, based on them attempting to connect to your bases?
[15:22] <buzzsaw> idealy you would want to provide some sort of network backboan and dump into a server but...
[15:22] <buzzsaw> you could do it in stand alone devices and data dump at the end of the day/week/month
[15:23] <buzzsaw> no they dont even have to connect!
[15:23] <IT_Sean> indeed. Just need to merge and parse all the data.
[15:23] <buzzsaw> thats the beauty :-)
[15:23] <buzzsaw> thats where rfmonitor mode comes in
[15:23] <buzzsaw> yousee in a normal managed mode your device only takes in this intended for it and forgets everything else
[15:24] <buzzsaw> in rfmonitor it takes in EVERYTHING
[15:24] <IT_Sean> nice,.
[15:24] <buzzsaw> do you have a device you can play with and I can give you an example
[15:24] <IT_Sean> how are you planning on powering the deployed raspis?
[15:24] <buzzsaw> with power...
[15:24] <buzzsaw> ;-)
[15:24] <IT_Sean> I don;t have a wifi adapter for mine.
[15:24] <IT_Sean> buzzsaw: mains? solar? battery?
[15:24] <buzzsaw> you can do it on a nomral computer :-)
[15:25] <buzzsaw> it depends on the application :-)
[15:25] <IT_Sean> I think i'll pass. :p
[15:25] <IT_Sean> fair 'nuff.
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[15:25] <IT_Sean> if you are going for battery, you will want something beefy enough to give you a decent run time, and probably best to back that with a solar trickle.
[15:25] <buzzsaw> I need to get some battery power setup but at first likley just main
[15:26] <buzzsaw> sadly *ALL* the batterys I have are 12v
[15:26] <buzzsaw> that would likley fry a pi :-)
[15:26] <IT_Sean> That'll do. Just regulate it down.
[15:26] <buzzsaw> and fried pie is only good for apple :-)
[15:26] <buzzsaw> brb
[15:26] <IT_Sean> You WANT a battery with a voltage greater than what you actually need, and then regulate it down. It'll give you a linger runtime before the regulator reaches it's cutoff voltage.
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[15:27] <gordonDrogon> altough you really want to switch it off before the regulator cut it off to protect most batterys.
[15:27] <gordonDrogon> e.g. by about 10.5v for 12v lead-acids
[15:27] <IT_Sean> 12v is almost ideal, as there is sooooo much crap for the automotive market you can apply. 12v battery + 12v solar trickle charger + 12v USB adapter (one of those cigar lighter phone chargers) = mobile raspi power source!
[15:28] <gordonDrogon> and use a "leisure battery" rather than an automotive battery too.
[15:28] <IT_Sean> Aye
[15:28] <gordonDrogon> they're happier being run flatter.
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[15:30] <IT_Sean> wire multiple together for longer run time, as well.
[15:30] <gordonDrogon> and use Pi model A's...
[15:31] <IT_Sean> that too!
[15:31] <IT_Sean> a model A will draw a fair bit less.
[15:31] <buzzsaw> well I have lifepo4 batterys now but not sure that I want to leave them in areas
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[15:31] <buzzsaw> I forget what is the difference in the b and a?
[15:32] <IT_Sean> model A = 1 USB, no ethernet. Model B = 2 USB, 1 ethernet.
[15:32] <buzzsaw> yeah the ethernet is going to be handy in most cases
[15:33] <IT_Sean> do you NEED it?
[15:33] <IT_Sean> 'cause the power draw for a model A is a lot less.
[15:33] <buzzsaw> lets say you place the device in different parts of a shopping mall and you want to look at realtime data
[15:33] <buzzsaw> if you also supply a 3gmodem.
[15:33] <buzzsaw> you are going to need ethernet :-)
[15:34] <buzzsaw> or if you want to tap into an exsisting power supply
[15:34] <gordonDrogon> no - store to SD card, then just change it a week later.
[15:34] <IT_Sean> wot 'e said. ^
[15:34] <buzzsaw> but that does not work if you want live data :-)
[15:35] <gordonDrogon> I can't hel pbut think you're not going to get permission to put "black boxes" in shopping centres, etc.....
[15:36] <buzzsaw> gordonDrogon: perhaps
[15:36] <buzzsaw> perhaps not...
[15:36] <gordonDrogon> unless it's for the shopping centre's own use...
[15:36] <buzzsaw> shopping center was just a use case for ideas
[15:37] <buzzsaw> what if I take said package to them and say here buy this you can look at customer movment to better advertise yourself :-)
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[15:37] <buzzsaw> or security. Hey you can be alerted when x person is nearing x place or you have yamount of people hovering around one area (loitering)
[15:38] <gordonDrogon> it all assumes people leave their wi-fi & bt on all the time...
[15:38] <gordonDrogon> which most sheeple probably do...
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[15:39] <buzzsaw> from within my apartment in a 12 hour period I had over 100unique probe requests
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[15:39] <buzzsaw> I will take my rpi for a test drive perhaps this weekend
[15:40] <buzzsaw> even when you tell people you should turn this off because its dangerous "Oh I dont care." is often the response :-)
[15:41] <buzzsaw> so thats in a nutshell IT_Sean
[15:41] <IT_Sean> I keep wifi and bluetooth off unless i am activly using them
[15:41] <IT_Sean> mostly to save the battery, but also for security.
[15:41] <buzzsaw> yeah but *we* are not average people :-)
[15:41] <IT_Sean> buzzsaw: sounds like a really interesting project.
[15:42] <gordonDrogon> hm. lunch check.
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[15:43] <buzzsaw> and this is not limited to just phone but also laptops, wifi ippods, nentendo ds etc
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[15:45] <gordonDrogon> lunch not ready.
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[15:45] <buzzsaw> writing all the parcing side of things is going to be fun :-s
[15:45] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Another? Will have a look!
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[15:46] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Have you seen this? https://github.com/OzBerryPi/WiringPy
[15:47] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, no - not seen that ...
[15:47] <Gadgetoid> I must be missing something in the source, but I can't figure out how it works! the guy who wrote it got in touch and suggested we should work together
[15:47] <Gadgetoid> I tend to agree; instantly translating Arduino sketches into WiringPython would be awesome
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[15:48] <gordonDrogon> as long as it uses the wiringPi library ;-)
[15:48] <gordonDrogon> looks like it's just functions rather than a class though.
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[15:49] <gordonDrogon> he's using RPi.GPIO )-:
[15:51] <Gadgetoid> Aha, you're right!
[15:51] <ShadowJK> I have a wifi adapter that works fine without powered hub, as long as it's plugged in before rPi is started
[15:51] <ShadowJK> no monitor mode though. :(
[15:52] <buzzsaw> what chipset is it?
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[15:53] <ShadowJK> sec
[15:54] <aeroot> is there an overview about the different production iterations of the RPi with detailed information about the hardware used?
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[15:54] <ShadowJK> Bus 001 Device 004: ID 0bda:8176 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. RTL8188CUS 802.11n WLAN Adapter
[15:55] <buzzsaw> yeah...
[15:56] <buzzsaw> I have been told you will get "crappy results" witht that device :-)
[15:56] <ShadowJK> Seems to work well in client mode
[15:56] <ShadowJK> but doesn't allow monitor
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[15:57] <nid0> rtl8188 devices arent the most amazing but theyre small, cheap, and dont draw much power
[15:57] <nid0> so generally a win-win with the pi
[15:57] <buzzsaw> ShadowJK: I was told that it could do monitor if the driver was used but... not worth it.
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[16:01] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Looks like I've broken something
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[16:02] <gordonDrogon> oops :)
[16:02] <Gadgetoid> Or perhaps not
[16:02] <buzzsaw> its good to break things :-)
[16:02] <Gadgetoid> My test was flawed
[16:02] <buzzsaw> I have found that most of the time someone said dont do that or youll break it. Then I break it and realise OH... They might know what they are talking about!
[16:03] <Gadgetoid> I need to write some test cases
[16:03] <gordonDrogon> I need to have lunch :)
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[16:12] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: PUD_UP = 2
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[16:17] <zastaph> ShiftPlusOne, using your guide.. that sudo mount ~/qemu_vms/2013...img tells me to specify the filesystem type, and it wont accept -t auto
[16:18] <ShiftPlusOne> zastaph, have you specified the offset?
[16:18] <zastaph> yes my offset is 84480 way smaller than yours
[16:18] <ShiftPlusOne> I don't think I actually wrote this anywhere. Do you have a link?
[16:19] <zastaph> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=37386
[16:19] <ShiftPlusOne> You might be talking about what tony wrote
[16:19] <zastaph> ah yes
[16:19] <ShiftPlusOne> either way, it should work. have you multiplied the start sector by 512?
[16:19] <zastaph> sure
[16:20] <ShiftPlusOne> are you looking at the second partition or the first?
[16:20] <zastaph> second
[16:20] <zastaph> starthead 165
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[16:20] <ShiftPlusOne> start sector not head
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[16:20] <ShiftPlusOne> This is the unmodified 2013-02-09-wheezy-raspbian.img file, right??
[16:20] <zastaph> :| my fault
[16:21] <zastaph> yes
[16:21] <ShiftPlusOne> try using the offset he gives
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[16:21] <ShiftPlusOne> (-o offset=62914560)
[16:21] <zastaph> works now
[16:21] <ShiftPlusOne> =)
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[16:29] <zastaph> one comment says you can't increase -m 256 , but i would like to emulate the Pi B rev 2 with 512 MB
[16:29] <jelly1> zastaph: just try to use -m 512? :P
[16:29] <ShiftPlusOne> jelly1, nope
[16:29] <ShiftPlusOne> Then you might want to look into torlus' patches
[16:29] <jelly1> hmm /me now wonders why it doesn't work
[16:30] <zastaph> that sounds like i want to keep 256 :p
[16:30] <ShiftPlusOne> I think the versatilepb platform is hardcoded to have no more than 256 somehow
[16:30] <ShiftPlusOne> I don't know though
[16:30] <zastaph> had enough hazards getting so far, now I just wanna try it :)
[16:30] <kkit> ShiftPlusOne, as i recall, that's the case
[16:30] <jelly1> zastaph: try if it fails, just use -m 256 ;)
[16:31] <kkit> i remember running into that issue when trying to build some arm-hf packages with qemu
[16:31] <ShiftPlusOne> This might get around that limit though https://github.com/Torlus/qemu-rpi
[16:31] <jelly1> also if you want to emulate simple apps 256 MB is fine
[16:31] <ShiftPlusOne> very experimental though
[16:33] <ShiftPlusOne> This post has some good tips as well http://www.v13.gr/blog/?p=276
[16:33] <ShiftPlusOne> (not for the ram limit, but other things, like expanding the rootfs)
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[16:41] <zastaph> it works.. already logged me in as Pi. Is Raspbian a desktop OS ?
[16:41] <ShiftPlusOne> raspbian is debian optimized for the pi
[16:42] <zastaph> im going to use my Pi only for server use, thinking if arch or raspbian would be a better choice
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[16:43] <zastaph> since im used to ubuntu i guess raspbian
[16:43] <weltall> if you don't need mono (or java if it didn't change) then no poin in using bare debian i guess
[16:43] <ShiftPlusOne> either one is fine, you don't have to use xorg if you don't need it. The config script even asks you if you want it to start automatically or not. Arch is more trimmed down though, it doesn't come with any bloat installed, so it may be a better option.
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[16:44] <zastaph> to start the desktop i simply type xorg ?
[16:44] <ShiftPlusOne> startx
[16:45] <ShiftPlusOne> If you don't want to bother learning to use pacman and systemd and would rather stick to apt-get, then raspbian works fine.
[16:45] <zastaph> i prefer apt-get :)
[16:47] <zastaph> raspbian.img at 2GB is a bit much though .. i'm going to run everything of the SD card I think
[16:48] <zastaph> Don't think i need Scratch :p
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[16:49] <clever> you can always uninstall xorg after its running, to get the space free'd up
[16:49] <zastaph> ok
[16:50] <ShiftPlusOne> oh btw, there is raspbian server edition floating around somewhere
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[16:50] <ShadowJK> you don't really need x to set it up either, raspbian boots with ssh enabled by default
[16:50] <ShiftPlusOne> which is regular raspbian with the extra packages removed. There are also minimal images, but they might be outdated.
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[16:52] <zastaph> so now that im going to install LAMP and such, what guides do I follow? special raspbian AMP guides? or would any Ubuntu guide do
[16:52] <zastaph> err ARM
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[16:53] <clever> zastaph: any debian/ubuntu guide should work
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[16:53] <zastaph> ok
[16:53] <ShiftPlusOne> you may want to reconsider using apache on a pi though
[16:54] <nid0> apache on the pi works fine
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[16:54] <zastaph> i want to try owncloud
[16:54] <ShiftPlusOne> Nginx or lighttpd might be a better choice though. Depends on what you're after though.
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[16:55] <ShiftPlusOne> I have tried owncloud... didn't work out too well for me. It was too slow to be usable.
[16:55] <nid0> there are a fair few guides specific to installing owncloud on the pi
[16:56] <zastaph> I mostly just need CalDAV .. owncloud might be overkill
[16:56] <zastaph> also thought about http://radicale.org/
[16:57] <zastaph> seeing that python is already installed
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[17:14] <zastaph> when i run qemu i get a logon both from the ubuntu terminal and from the qemu window that opens
[17:15] <clever> zastaph: what do you get if you login to both and run 'tty'
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[17:17] <zastaph> quite hard to escape my mouse from 2 inner windows :) the QEMU window has /dev/tty1 and the ubuntu terminal has /dev/ttyAMA0
[17:17] <clever> thought so, one is likely the framebuffer (with tty1 thru 7 and xorg) and the other is your serial port
[17:17] <ShiftPlusOne> zastaph, the two logins are there on purpose.
[17:18] <clever> the serial port one is likely easyer to escape from, but doesnt support some features, and cant do graphics
[17:18] <ShiftPlusOne> one is just serial and the other emulates what would actually be on the screen.
[17:18] <zastaph> raspbian doesn't have a normal LAN IP.. i guess I have to set that up in the console parameters if I want a bridged networking like my ubuntu guest has
[17:19] <clever> the serial port is also of use for kernel debugging
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[17:20] <clever> if the kernel is booted with kgdboc=ttyAMA0,115200 (not sure if the baud rate does anything special on qemu)
[17:20] <clever> you will get an interactive debugger on the serial port when it crashes
[17:20] <clever> so things can be debugged even if the framebuffer has the virtual gpu tied up
[17:20] <zastaph> wouldnt know what to do with that info anyway :)
[17:21] <clever> ive only found it usefull when doing gpio based drivers, so qemu isnt much use there
[17:21] <zastaph> what do you use gpio for
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[17:24] <zastaph> echo $HOSTNAME = raspberrypi .. but ubuntu running qemu can't ping raspberrypi
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[17:25] <clever> zastaph: that only works if your dhcp server is linked into the dns server properly
[17:25] <clever> or your running some auto-discovery stuff i never used
[17:25] <clever> normaly, you have to set that up manualy in /etc/hosts
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[17:28] <zastaph> ok
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[17:28] <QubeZ> hello all
[17:29] <clever> my setup is a bit more customized, ive setup pi.localnet to resolve to a static ip, which has been set in the dhcp server so the pi always gets that ip
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[17:30] <QubeZ> for media center purposes, what is a good brand/speed for the SD card?
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[17:31] <clever> QubeZ: i cant store much video on an sd card, i find its simpler to put it on a normal hdd in another pc, and share it over the network
[17:31] <clever> so ive got access to over 3tb of content, much more then the pi could ever hold on its card
[17:31] <QubeZ> clever: right -- for content but I'm talking for the speed of the overall OS
[17:31] <QubeZ> e.g. I'll be running OpenElec
[17:32] <clever> any card should work fine, it doesnt have to load much to do video decoding
[17:32] <QubeZ> I'm also trying to find a way to order the most cost effective way -- right now I'm thinking to order the bundle of Pi + power supply then order the SD card separately
[17:32] <clever> only point it may have problems is if your ui has heavy graphics
[17:32] <QubeZ> XBMC is pretty UI-heavy :)
[17:33] <IT_Sean> OpenELEC runs pretty well on the Pi, i find.
[17:33] <QubeZ> IT_Sean: so any SD card then?
[17:33] <yehnan> ShiftPlusOne: hi, are you the one who gets Dave Jones' fluke?
[17:34] <ShiftPlusOne> yehnan, =D yup
[17:34] <IT_Sean> QubeZ: yup. Any SD card that'll work in a Pi 'll do.
[17:34] <QubeZ> I'm also noticing the processor differences in Pi's... e.g. AMD Sempron one listed.. but I thought it was only ARM?
[17:34] <yehnan> ShiftPlusOne: congratulations. lucky you.
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[17:34] <IT_Sean> QubeZ: what!? The Pi is an ARM SoC. Not sure what the heck you are looking at.
[17:34] <ShiftPlusOne> yehnan, thanks
[17:34] <QubeZ> IT_Sean: ya thought so... these descriptions on Amazon suck
[17:35] <QubeZ> Anyhow, I'm thinking Pi + power supply + SD card + case and potentially a wireless kb/trackpad unit to control
[17:35] <QubeZ> or maybe I'll just use the XBMC remote from my phone
[17:35] <IT_Sean> for xbmc, you won't need a trackpad
[17:35] <IT_Sean> I use an RF keyboard.
[17:36] <QubeZ> have you tried controlling via phone app like Yatse?
[17:36] <IT_Sean> I've used xbmc remote.
[17:36] <QubeZ> I'm curious about its limitations in controlling the full interface
[17:36] <IT_Sean> I find using the keyboard is just as easy.
[17:36] <ShiftPlusOne> yehnan, any idea how usable this electrical multimeters are for general electronics?
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[17:36] <clever> QubeZ: cec via the tv remote may also work
[17:37] <IT_Sean> Only if your TV support sit.
[17:37] <IT_Sean> *supports it
[17:37] <QubeZ> clever: *nod* thinking about that too
[17:37] <IT_Sean> Mine, for instance, does not, annoyingly.
[17:37] <QubeZ> but I'd rather minimize amount of stuff related to the setup... phone app might do for me for a while
[17:37] <clever> for me, cec is a pain in the ass half the time
[17:37] * buzzsaw needs to find a new hdmi cable before he gets home (pi is out for delivery)
[17:37] <QubeZ> figuring out what to order and keep budget low, I know I need the Pi, power supply, SD card (and case)
[17:38] <QubeZ> Does everyone just order from Adafruit? I haven't found anything cheaper yet.
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[17:38] <clever> QubeZ: i got mine from element14
[17:38] <IT_Sean> I got my pi from e14 as well
[17:38] <QubeZ> checking, thank you
[17:38] <clever> and to keep things simple, i got a pre-flashed SD card along with it
[17:38] <QubeZ> thanks again for the patience in fielding my answers
[17:38] <athanor> I ordered from element14, but my next one (hopefully this week) will come from adafruit. Along with a bunch of goodies.
[17:38] <QubeZ> just hate ordering stuff then its the wrong stuff
[17:39] <clever> no fuss, it just worked right away
[17:39] <clever> once i plugged hdmi in all the way
[17:39] <IT_Sean> It helps if you plug it in.
[17:39] <QubeZ> I want to build openelect latest build though -- just to stay bleeding edge hah
[17:39] <clever> it was a bit stiff, and i didnt force it enough, so it wound up on composite
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[17:39] <IT_Sean> I think i'm going to update my OpenELEC build when i get home.
[17:39] <IT_Sean> and start building an enclosure for my Pi rig.
[17:40] <clever> the cec problems i have are mainly things turning on when i dont want them, and inputs changing to the wrong ones
[17:40] <clever> if the tv was last on the ps3 input, and i turn the tv on, the ps3 always comes on, and i have no chance to stop it
[17:40] <clever> and half the time, cec then decides to not work, so the tv remote cant shut it off :P
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[17:42] <QubeZ> clever: I'm on their site, its just the Model B board right?
[17:42] <clever> model b has ethernet and 2 usb ports
[17:42] <QubeZ> thats the one, thanks
[17:42] <IT_Sean> model a has no ethernet, and 1 usb
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[17:44] <clever> IT_Sean: something i was thinking about just yesterday, could model a's usb port act as device mode?
[17:44] <clever> the kernel logs say it supports usb otg, so it can do both host & device
[17:44] <clever> is it simply a matter of hot-wiring the ID pin (is it even accessible) and telling the driver?
[17:44] <QubeZ> good pricing on this site: board is $35, power supply $7 and case $7
[17:44] <QubeZ> cheapest I've seen
[17:45] <IT_Sean> clever: no
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[17:46] <clever> IT_Sean: any idea what it would involve?
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[17:46] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, PUD_UP is indeed 2.
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[17:48] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Easiest fix ever.
[17:48] <Gadgetoid> I haven't set the constants in WiringPi2-Python though
[17:49] <QubeZ> nice, element14 has no model B Pi's left
[17:49] <QubeZ> darn
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[17:50] <buzzsaw> is it difficult to find a powerd USB hub at a mom and pop shop?
[17:51] <buzzsaw> dont wanna order one to play tonight :-D
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[17:53] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Would I be right in thinking that the i2c equivalent of the mcp23017 is just a drop-in replacement for a Wiringpi example?
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[17:57] <gordonDrogon> probably, but not 100% sure what you mean..
[17:57] <gordonDrogon> the mcp23017 is I2C. The mcp23s17 is SPI.
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[18:04] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Yeah I'd have things the wrong way 'round, sorted now
[18:04] <Gadgetoid> Adding Ladder Board pin numbering now
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[18:04] <yehnan> ShiftPlusOne: I don't know. It's too "high class" to me.
[18:05] <buzzsaw> would this work for adding usb wifi? http://bit.ly/10nolOw (best buy link) its on sale :-)
[18:05] <gordonDrogon> why can't I find the datasheet for the pcf8951 which the q2w people use )-:
[18:05] <yehnan> ShiftPlusOne: my bed time. see you.
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[18:12] <Gadgetoid> Adding in all these pin assignments has given me yet another idea. Damn.
[18:14] <gordonDrogon> found the datasheet. dyslectic typo.
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[18:25] <OpenSys> hello folks
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[18:26] <OpenSys> anything was changed in pi rev 2 in gpio cpu levels ?
[18:26] <OpenSys> i have a DHT22 sensor that i can red in pi rev1 but in pi rev2 no
[18:27] <OpenSys> frezes and no read
[18:27] <Grievre> how do you read it
[18:27] <OpenSys> by gpio
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[18:27] <OpenSys> Adafruit_DHT 22 25
[18:28] <OpenSys> Adafruit_DHT util
[18:28] <OpenSys> pin 25
[18:28] <OpenSys> tested with two sensors
[18:28] <OpenSys> same thing
[18:29] <OpenSys> the "BCM2708_PERI_BASE 0x20000000"
[18:29] <OpenSys> remains the same in rev 2 ?
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[18:29] <Grievre> OpenSys: what pin you got it hooked to on the GPIO?
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[18:32] <OpenSys> ping 25 Grievre
[18:32] <OpenSys> but i tested others
[18:32] <Grievre> pin 25 by the chip's reckoning or the board's?
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[18:33] <OpenSys> no pin# 25 BCM2708 its pin 22 gpio6
[18:34] <Grievre> k
[18:34] <Grievre> Nah it should still work, weird that it doesn't
[18:34] <Grievre> you sure you got everything set up the same?
[18:34] <Grievre> When you say it freezes is it just the one process that does or the whole raspberry pi?
[18:35] <gordonDrogon> OpenSys, what pin is it on?
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[18:35] <OpenSys> the distro in my rev 1 is slackware, in rev 2 in rasperian
[18:35] <KiltedPi^> SD card corrupt again :/
[18:36] <KiltedPi^> Do I lose any storage or anything when I format raspbian of it?
[18:36] <KiltedPi^> to re-flash it
[18:36] <OpenSys> gordonDrogon, hello the pin is 22
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[18:36] <OpenSys> e check with a multimeter
[18:36] <OpenSys> and it up to 3.2v
[18:36] <OpenSys> when i call it
[18:36] <OpenSys> so it's correct
[18:37] <gordonDrogon> OpenSys, pin 22 is ok. pin 21 because pin 27 from rev 1 to rev 2.
[18:37] <gordonDrogon> OpenSys, however the adafruit 'driver' for that chip is atroucous IMO.
[18:37] <KiltedPi^> like whats a safe way to format the SD to get the old Raspbian of it?
[18:37] <OpenSys> https://github.com/hornc/DHT-RaspPi-logger/blob/master/Adafruit_DHT.c
[18:37] <KiltedPi^> off it*
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[18:37] <gordonDrogon> it relies on software timing loop, so if you've overclocked then it might not work.
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[18:37] <KiltedPi> just right click- format the drive
[18:38] <gordonDrogon> OpenSys, if you want to try wiringPi I have some software for the rht03 which is similar I think.
[18:38] <OpenSys> there exist any other driver
[18:38] <Grievre> OpenSys: strace it
[18:38] <OpenSys> '
[18:38] <Grievre> OpenSys: see what call it's freezing on
[18:38] <KiltedPi> is that safe? (I'm using winDisk32Imager)
[18:38] <gordonDrogon> KiltedPi, you'll lose everything on the sd card if you re-format it.
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[18:38] <OpenSys> Grievre, i will do with a strace wait
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[18:39] <KiltedPi> Yeah, thats what I want
[18:39] <OpenSys> KiltedPi, check the power is 5v. bad power = corrupted card
[18:39] <KiltedPi> I wasn't sure if there was some bit lingering
[18:39] <KiltedPi> good point OpenSys
[18:39] * KiltedPi digs out his multimeter
[18:39] <OpenSys> gordonDrogon wait i will just check with trace
[18:40] <gordonDrogon> OpenSys, yes, the adafruit driver is terrible.
[18:40] <dangerousdave> gordonDrogon: think i have resolved my resolution display problem by installing a lagacy raspbian version.
[18:40] <OpenSys> get it loop in: nanosleep({0, 1000}, NULL) = 0
[18:41] <gordonDrogon> dangerousdave, intersting - I suspect the bootloader/gpu code might have changed - might want to feed this back to the foundation somehow (forums)
[18:41] <Grievre> OpenSys: ah hmm
[18:41] <OpenSys> must be the f*ck driver
[18:41] <dangerousdave> gordonDrogon: ok, ill try
[18:42] <Grievre> OpenSys: are you running it as root?
[18:42] <OpenSys> Grievre, yessss
[18:42] <lilalinux> I guess 72h waiting for the licenses means 72h at weakdays excluding holidays and weekends?
[18:42] <KiltedPi> I don't understand. shit. Everytime I format the SD- it tells me it has 56 meg
[18:43] <KiltedPi> oops
[18:43] <KiltedPi> pardon the swear :(
[18:43] <gordonDrogon> KiltedPi, +1
[18:43] * KiltedPi is frustrated
[18:43] <OpenSys> gordonDrogon, yes the rht03 seams the same
[18:43] <lilalinux> KiltedPi: china ware?
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[18:43] <Grievre> OpenSys: Did you change #define DHT22 to 25?
[18:43] <Grievre> OpenSys: Or rather, is it the same on both boards?
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[18:44] <Grievre> or wait
[18:44] <Grievre> ignore that
[18:44] <OpenSys> Grievre, i tested 4 gpios all the same
[18:44] <Grievre> hmm
[18:44] <OpenSys> it's driver + cpu f*ck someting
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[18:44] * OpenSys was kicked from #raspberrypi by gordonDrogon
[18:45] <Grievre> he censored it o.o
[18:45] <gordonDrogon> doesn't matter.
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[18:46] <Grievre> well I didn't know that
[18:46] <OpenSys> :) sorry
[18:46] <KiltedPi> Heres a link if anyone ever finds this problem when they flash their SD card:
[18:46] <KiltedPi> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=13138
[18:46] <gordonDrogon> Channel Rules: http://alturl.com/jc97e
[18:46] <KiltedPi> Thats solved it!
[18:46] <KiltedPi> Yeah, its DOUBLY hard for me
[18:46] * KiltedPi is a scotsman
[18:46] <OpenSys> gordonDrogon, no problem my fault
[18:47] <gordonDrogon> KiltedPi, I'm scottish too.
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[18:47] <lilalinux> The e-Mail says "Immediate download after completion of payment." my ass...
[18:47] <KiltedPi> If anyone ever flashes their SD card with win32diskImager, and finds it only has 56 meg, - Theres some dodgy copies of win32DiskImager running around
[18:47] <KiltedPi> Ach! Where abouts?
[18:48] <KiltedPi> I'm on the west coast
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[18:48] <pksato> KiltedPi: image have two partitions, one are 56MB.
[18:48] <gordonDrogon> KiltedPi, I don't live in Scotland anymore. Was central/edinburgh though.
[18:49] <KiltedPi> I format the SD card pksato, and it only shows 56 mg
[18:49] <OpenSys> gordonDrogon, do you have some example with rht03 using wiringPi ?
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[18:49] <gordonDrogon> OpenSys, yes.
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[18:49] <OpenSys> gordonDrogon, url please
[18:49] <gordonDrogon> OpenSys, you'll need wiringPi v2 though - not released, but I can give you a .tgz if you want.
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[18:49] <a7x> hi, what should i do to use raspberry pi without a keyboard?
[18:49] <pksato> KiltedPi: no. you not format SD, only first partition. Use disk manager to get full capacity.
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[18:50] <a7x> the problem is the first start, because after that i'm pretty much able to do everything from SSH
[18:50] <OpenSys> gordonDrogon, no problem
[18:50] <pksato> disk manager -> fdisk
[18:50] <gordonDrogon> a7x, you can ssh into the Pi running Raspbian from a fresh install.
[18:50] <KiltedPi> Oh?
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[18:50] <gordonDrogon> OpenSys, http://unicorn.drogon.net/wiringPi-2.2.tgz
[18:50] <a7x> nice gordonDrogon
[18:50] <KiltedPi> I'll check it out!
[18:51] <gordonDrogon> OpenSys, extract, cd wiringPi ; ./build
[18:51] <gordonDrogon> OpenSys, then cd examples ; make rht03
[18:51] <KiltedPi> In fact. You know what. I'm going to become the BugCollector
[18:51] <gordonDrogon> but you might want to edit rht03 first to make sure you use the right pin.
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[18:53] <a7x> then a bit different question, is it possible to start X and VPN into the fresh install?
[18:53] <a7x> :P
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[18:54] <kaste> start it, log in via ssh, start X and vpn (whyever you need that if you want ssh anyway)
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[18:55] <kaste> Is there any rpi distro that is geared towards a tiny number cruncher instead of the desktop oriented ones?
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[18:56] <OpenSys> gordonDrogon, #define RHT03_PIN 6
[18:57] <OpenSys> and frezzes the rpi allot
[18:57] <OpenSys> no result
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[18:58] <OpenSys> i have a oled spi display, that also frezes
[18:58] <gordonDrogon> it can't freeze the Pi - as it's not polling for a pin change.
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[18:58] <gordonDrogon> it suggests something else is wrong.
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[18:59] <gordonDrogon> a7x, not really. You may be able to start X, but you'll need to install something like openvpn to vpn in.
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[19:00] <stapper> I've been playing with the hello_video program, but I can't seem to get it put on full screen how do I handle this
[19:00] <OpenSys> gordonDrogon, a have i2c and spi actives
[19:01] <OpenSys> gordonDrogon, using a strace
[19:01] <OpenSys> the loop in there: gettimeofday({1364580050, 493724}, NULL) = 0
[19:01] <OpenSys> over and over
[19:02] <gordonDrogon> OpenSys, if that's not exiting, then something is stopping the Linux clock.
[19:02] <gordonDrogon> that will be inside delayMicroseconds in wiringPi.c
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[19:04] <Grievre> gordonDrogon: More likely it's reading a memory-mapped GPIO pin over and over and not getting any result?
[19:04] <Grievre> gordonDrogon: why does that not use usleep?! o.o
[19:05] <Grievre> or nanosleep at least
[19:05] <OpenSys> gordonDrogon, delayMicroseconds (110) ; // See comments in pwmSetClockWPi
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[19:06] <OpenSys> this is the last kernel ? Linux raspberrypi 3.6.11+ #371
[19:07] <zastaph> seems like qemu uses as default gateway.. what if I want my raspbian to use bridged networking and get a normal DHCP IP ?
[19:08] <gordonDrogon> Grievre, I know exactly what it's doing in that code and the maxdetect code does not loop on a pin.
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[19:08] <Grievre> ah
[19:09] <gordonDrogon> Grievre, usleep/nanosleep does not work for times under about 100?S on the Pi.
[19:09] <gordonDrogon> to get accurate timings you need to poll gettimeofday()
[19:09] <Grievre> ah strange
[19:09] <Grievre> interesting
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[19:11] <gordonDrogon> read the comments in delayMicrosecondsHard() in wiringPi.c ...
[19:11] <OpenSys> gordonDrogon, this may be kernel related ?
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[19:12] <OpenSys> in original driver goes also in a loop
[19:12] <gordonDrogon> OpenSys, I'm not sure. I have the latest Raspbian that I'm aware of.
[19:12] <OpenSys> seams yes
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[19:12] <OpenSys> apt-get upgrade
[19:12] <gordonDrogon> all delayMicroeconds is doing is calling gettimeofday() and comparing the result. I've never had an issue with it.
[19:13] <gordonDrogon> Linux pi1 3.6.11+ #371 PREEMPT Thu Feb 7 16:31:35 GMT 2013 armv6l GNU/Linux
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[19:15] <OpenSys> Linux raspberrypi 3.6.11+ #371 PREEMPT Thu Feb 7 16:31:35 GMT 2013 armv6l GNU/Linux
[19:15] <gordonDrogon> same...
[19:16] <OpenSys> yes
[19:16] <OpenSys> and you can read the sensor ?
[19:16] <gordonDrogon> I could 2-3 days ago when I wrote that code.
[19:16] <gordonDrogon> Hang on, I'll connect it up again.
[19:16] <OpenSys> ok
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[19:21] <gordonDrogon> hm. plugged sensor in & it rebooted the pi ... oops..
[19:22] <a7x> thank you gordonDrogon, and kaste, i was able to run raspberry pi, and also to run vnc inside :)
[19:23] <OpenSys> gordonDrogon, 3.3v a little down
[19:23] <OpenSys> :)
[19:23] <gordonDrogon> Temp: 21.0, RH: 34.2%
[19:23] <gordonDrogon> Temp: 21.0, RH: 34.0%
[19:23] <gordonDrogon> doesn't seem to have affected it though.
[19:23] <OpenSys> so it works
[19:24] <gordonDrogon> it' sreading a bit high - my IR thermo is reading 18.5
[19:25] <gordonDrogon> maybe the sensr heated up when I put it in the wrong way round...
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[19:25] <gordonDrogon> it's now down to: Temp: 20.0, RH: 34.3%
[19:25] <OpenSys> i have other sensors that works
[19:25] <OpenSys> Temperature 18.9 C
[19:25] <OpenSys> Pressure 1010.24 hPa
[19:25] <OpenSys> Altitude 210.0 Feet
[19:25] <OpenSys> but all by i2c :)
[19:26] <OpenSys> anyway
[19:26] <gordonDrogon> yes, is that a bpm... one?
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[19:26] <OpenSys> gordonDrogon, yes bmp085
[19:26] <gordonDrogon> the maxdetect bus that these use does need relatively accurate timing.
[19:27] <gordonDrogon> OpenSys, that's the one.
[19:27] <gordonDrogon> I used that on another project. nice little sensor.
[19:27] <gordonDrogon> Temp: 18.9, RH: 36.3% <- it now matches the IT thermo.
[19:27] <gordonDrogon> IR.
[19:28] <gordonDrogon> so I'm struggling to work out why it's hanging in your Pi )-:
[19:28] <OpenSys> gordonDrogon, one thing i have old wiringPi lib instaled
[19:29] <OpenSys> was required to unistall it
[19:29] <gordonDrogon> yes.
[19:29] <OpenSys> to install wiringPi-2.2
[19:29] <OpenSys> hummmmm
[19:29] <gordonDrogon> the ./build should have uninstalled it for you ...
[19:29] <Gadgetoid> Who what when where?
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[19:29] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, Hehe...
[19:29] <OpenSys> gordonDrogon, haaaaa yes i see it
[19:30] <OpenSys> so all good with that part
[19:30] <gordonDrogon> it should be fine.
[19:30] <gordonDrogon> if the rht03 compiled OK, then it got the new wiringPi.
[19:31] <OpenSys> yes all compiled ok
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[19:32] <gordonDrogon> so the only way for it to stall like that is for the clock that gettimeofday() uses to stop.
[19:32] <OpenSys> wiring pin 6 = ping 25
[19:32] <OpenSys> correct ?
[19:32] <gordonDrogon> yes.
[19:33] <gordonDrogon> physical pin 22 on P1.
[19:33] <OpenSys> yes
[19:33] <Jerub> any recommendations for a vpn to run from the pi to a hosted server?
[19:33] <OpenSys> i try to put a dummy pin
[19:33] <OpenSys> and happens the same
[19:33] <OpenSys> not pin related
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[19:36] <gordonDrogon> no
[19:36] <gordonDrogon> Jerub, openvpn.
[19:37] <gordonDrogon> Jerub, but any sort of encryption is going to be a bit slow on the Pi.
[19:39] <Jerub> I mostly need it for the backchannel through to the pi from the net, not the other way around.
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[19:48] <kaste> vpns aren't the easiest to set up
[19:48] <kaste> I'd recommend port forwarding or ssh tricks
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[19:52] <OpenSys> gordonDrogon, in original driver loop in nanosleep(), and wiringPi loop in gettimeofday, what ideia you have about that this ?
[19:52] <OpenSys> C lib's ?
[19:52] <KSluterland> wondering what you guys recommend as the best transmission settings. I've had a kernal panic once from downloading too fast or connecting to too many peers and didn't want that to happen again.
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[20:01] <gordonDrogon> OpenSys, I'd probably start by writing a program to test them both.
[20:03] <OpenSys> but what will i test, if i know that the problem is in delay's ?
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[20:04] <OpenSys> what arm_freq you have ?
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[20:06] <tightwork> Hi. My pi wont boot. I tested P1/P2 and have ~4.8v the OK led flashes for some time but eventually extinguishes. I am using hdmi but screen is dark.
[20:06] <tightwork> I used win32disk imager to flash 2013-02-09-wheezy-raspbian onto it
[20:07] <Grievre> tightwork: Tried using composite?
[20:08] <Grievre> What power source are you using?
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[20:09] <gordonDrogon> I don't overclock.
[20:10] <gordonDrogon> OpenSys, I'd try something like: for (i = 0 ; i < 1000000 ; ++i) delayMicroseconds (10) ; in a program and time it...
[20:10] <gordonDrogon> OpenSys, should take ~10 seconds.
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[20:16] <IT_Sean> 4.8v? sounds a bit low.
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[20:17] <OpenSys> gordonDrogon, delayMicroseconds() it's your function not c generic right ?
[20:19] <OpenSys> gordonDrogon, seams yes
[20:19] <OpenSys> my example gcc -o tt tt.c -lwiringPi
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[20:19] <OpenSys> ./tt
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[20:19] <OpenSys> goes a loop
[20:20] <OpenSys> and now gordonDrogon ?
[20:22] <tightwork> Grievre: I tried a samsung usb phone ac adaptor and also a iphone5 usb phone adaptor
[20:23] <tightwork> Grievre: both say 5V 1A
[20:23] <a7x> tightwork it's the first time you tried to boot it?
[20:23] <tightwork> a7x: tried multiple times
[20:23] <gordonDrogon> OpenSys, yes, it's a wiringPi thingk.
[20:23] <a7x> tightwork, did it ever work?
[20:24] <tightwork> but overall yes.. never booted
[20:24] <tightwork> no never booted
[20:24] <gordonDrogon> OpenSys, does it exit after 10 seconds?
[20:24] <tightwork> fresh from amazon
[20:24] <OpenSys> gordonDrogon, nop
[20:24] <gordonDrogon> OpenSys, let me replicate it
[20:24] <OpenSys> takes for life
[20:24] <OpenSys> gordonDrogon, i will show my code
[20:25] <zleap> hi gordonDrogon
[20:25] <gordonDrogon> gordon @ pi1: time ./a.out
[20:25] <gordonDrogon> real 0m10.914s
[20:25] <gordonDrogon> so that's taking 10 seconds on my Pi.
[20:26] <OpenSys> gordonDrogon, http://pastebin.com/3KvVz31h
[20:27] <gordonDrogon> gordon @ pi1: time ./a.out
[20:27] <gordonDrogon> done
[20:27] <gordonDrogon> real 0m10.930s
[20:27] <gordonDrogon> that's your program...
[20:27] <OpenSys> right
[20:27] <gordonDrogon> so - why is gettimeofday() not working on your Pi..
[20:27] <OpenSys> so very nasty bug in my pi
[20:28] <gordonDrogon> let me write something else - hang on ..
[20:29] <OpenSys> ok
[20:30] <gordonDrogon> OpenSys, try: http://unicorn.drogon.net/t2.c
[20:31] <a7x> tightwork, i do suggest you to check via ethernet if it answers to ping
[20:32] <OpenSys> gordonDrogon, goes ok
[20:32] <OpenSys> no problem
[20:32] <OpenSys> ecs: 1364585508, uSecs: 922516
[20:32] <OpenSys> secs: 1364585513, uSecs: 924276
[20:32] <gordonDrogon> the the big number is 5 more the 2nd time through?
[20:32] * gordonDrogon nods.
[20:32] <Jerub> the correct way to delay a period of time is usually to use select() with a suitable timeout.
[20:32] <gordonDrogon> so that's effectively what delayMicroseconds() is doing - it just calls gettimeofday() and compares it.
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[20:33] <Jerub> (and pray that ntp doesn't update your clock)
[20:34] <Jerub> gordonDrogon: if you're literally just delaying a period of time, you should use the select() method instead.
[20:34] <OpenSys> gordonDrogon, the nanosleep() and gettimeofday() get the same
[20:34] <zastaph> ShiftPlusOne, when you install raspbian in qemu, do you get bridge networking out of the box? or also a 10.0 IP like me?
[20:34] <gordonDrogon> Jerub, no thanks.
[20:35] <OpenSys> so why i goes in a loop...
[20:35] <ShiftPlusOne> zastaph, The second one.
[20:35] <gordonDrogon> it's supposed to go into a loop if the time is < 100?S
[20:35] <OpenSys> that the big question
[20:35] <gordonDrogon> however it's not exiting the loop - and that's the question.
[20:35] <zastaph> ShiftPlusOne, i tried following a guide to do bridged networking http://lgallardo.com/en/2013/02/24/emulacion-de-raspberry-pi-con-qemu/ but that didnt work
[20:35] <zastaph> and it's kinda hard to simulate a Pi server without bridged networking :p
[20:36] <OpenSys> gordonDrogon, right
[20:36] <gordonDrogon> OpenSys, you're running raspbian too?
[20:36] <ShiftPlusOne> zastaph, I never had any luck getting it to work, so I gave up on that. If you find a guide that works I'd like to know about it though.
[20:36] <OpenSys> gordonDrogon, yes
[20:36] <gordonDrogon> OpenSys, well I'm really stumped by it!
[20:37] <zastaph> ShiftPlusOne: well I think the easiest is that I just purchase that Pi already :p
[20:37] <OpenSys> gordonDrogon, i will try to reinstall all C libs
[20:37] <ShiftPlusOne> zastaph, you should, since it may take a while for it to be shipped anyway.
[20:38] <tightwork> a7x: does it have a default static?
[20:38] <gordonDrogon> OpenSys, it's the timercmp code - part of <sys/time.h> thats key to it here.
[20:38] <tightwork> a7x: or dhcp?
[20:38] <a7x> tightwork, dhcp i guess
[20:38] <a7x> without "i guess"
[20:38] <a7x> dhcp.
[20:38] <tightwork> hmm
[20:39] <a7x> check on your router
[20:39] <gordonDrogon> Jerub, using select() to do a simple timing task is just wrong. Sorry. There exists functions like nanosleep() which does the same thing and is much simpler. What we're doing here is delaying for under 100?S on the Pi - that's not possible via system calls as the shortest time using them is ~100?S.
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[20:41] <OpenSys> gordonDrogon, so kernel related
[20:41] <gordonDrogon> OpenSys, oh?
[20:42] <OpenSys> <sys/time.h> its kernel
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[20:45] <gordonDrogon> md5sum /usr/include/arm-linux-gnueabihf/sys/time.h
[20:45] <gordonDrogon> 28a7946a56d46d8ad012e2a0bebe80c1 /usr/include/arm-linux-gnueabihf/sys/time.h
[20:45] <gordonDrogon> that's the same file as on my x86 workstation.
[20:45] <OpenSys> right dont makes sense gordonDrogon you have se sae kernel
[20:45] <gordonDrogon> yes, same kernel, same raspbian.
[20:46] <OpenSys> yes same md5sum
[20:46] * gordonDrogon tears hair out!
[20:46] <OpenSys> right
[20:46] <OpenSys> this problem
[20:46] <OpenSys> god
[20:46] <gordonDrogon> (not that I have much left, however)
[20:47] <OpenSys> iam reinstall libc suff now
[20:47] <gordonDrogon> good luck!
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[20:48] <OpenSys> gordonDrogon, whats your last ideia about it ?
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[20:51] <gordonDrogon> I don't know. I'd probably do something like start to edit wiringPi.c - put some printfs inside the timing loop in delayMicrosecondsHard() to see if I could see the time values incrementing - or something like that.
[20:52] <gordonDrogon> did your strace show the values incrementing?
[20:53] <OpenSys> yes the the strace do a loop then restart
[20:53] <OpenSys> iam now make a reboot to see it it's ok
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[20:54] <OpenSys> disable all spi e i2c modules
[20:54] <OpenSys> e also rtc
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[20:56] <gordonDrogon> ok
[20:57] <OpenSys> no luck
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[20:57] <OpenSys> recompile it
[20:57] <OpenSys> and same thing
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[20:58] <gordonDrogon> at a loss now.
[20:58] <OpenSys> gordonDrogon,
[20:58] <OpenSys> gettimeofday({1364587077, 999014}, NULL) = 0
[20:58] <OpenSys> gettimeofday({1364587078, 393}, NULL) = 0
[20:58] <OpenSys> thats the loop
[20:58] <gordonDrogon> so it's incrementing.
[20:59] <OpenSys> yes
[20:59] <Gadgetoid> hmm, ladder board, y u no input!
[20:59] <OpenSys> the second value no
[20:59] <gordonDrogon> wonder if it's worth while printing out the end value - ir. print out tEnd.
[20:59] <OpenSys> makes a reset
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[21:01] <OpenSys> the other loops it's in nanosleep({0, 1000}, NULL) = 0
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[21:01] <OpenSys> Adafruit_DHT_Driver
[21:02] <gordonDrogon> that's sleeping for 1?S - which doesn't work - the minimum is 100?S, however..
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[21:04] <gordonDrogon> that code sits in a loop, waiting for the pin to go high, but the calls & counts are only supposed to wait a max. of 100?S for it.
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[21:05] <timb_us> Hey guys, I'm having an issue with the avr-libc on my RPi.
[21:05] <gordonDrogon> if that loop isn't exiting at all, then the call to nanosleep() is possibly stalling.
[21:05] <gordonDrogon> actually, that's completely bogus as nanosleep() does not take an integer parameter!
[21:05] <timb_us> I've got some code that compiles fine on the Arduino IDE installed on my Mac, but it won't compile on the RPi.
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[21:05] <gordonDrogon> nanosleep(1); // overclocking might change this?
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[21:05] <timb_us> For some reason, prog_uchar isn't a valid type on the RPi.
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[21:06] <gordonDrogon> is wrong as nanosleep is defined as: int nanosleep(const struct timespec *req, struct timespec *rem);#
[21:06] <gordonDrogon> timb_us, the default one on the Pi is probably a bit older - prog_uchar? try uint8_t
[21:07] <OpenSys> gordonDrogon, many thanks for you
[21:07] <timb_us> Tried that gordonDrogon, but it corrupts the array.
[21:07] <OpenSys> i will try start from beginning
[21:07] <gordonDrogon> I should get in-touch with adafuit at some point - it was because of that very bit of code that I write my own rht03 reader code!
[21:08] <OpenSys> )
[21:08] <OpenSys> :)
[21:08] <gordonDrogon> timb_us, what is prog_char defined as then - I don't recognise it as C99 ...
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[21:08] <gordonDrogon> timb_us, Ah, it's flash memory isn't it.
[21:08] <timb_us> It's an unsigned char stored in PROGMEM
[21:08] <gordonDrogon> #include <avr/pgmspace.h>
[21:09] <timb_us> prog_uchar arrayName[] PROGMEM
[21:09] <timb_us> Yeah, did that, no dice.
[21:10] <timb_us> http://www.digole.com/images/file/Tech_Data/DigoleSerial.zip
[21:10] <timb_us> That's the code.
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[21:10] <Encrypt> Hi everybody !
[21:10] <gordonDrogon> timb_us, ok, it's deprecated.
[21:10] <timb_us> The UploadStartScreen or GraphicDisplay examples won't compile.
[21:10] <Encrypt> Has anyone tried a "sudo service ssh restart" ?
[21:10] <timb_us> Yeah, I know it's deprecated. I just wonder why it compiles with the latest IDE on my Mac...
[21:11] <Encrypt> I'm fearing executing this command :S
[21:11] <gordonDrogon> it probably has a command-line added. Try #define __PROG_TYPES_COMPAT__ 1 before the include
[21:11] <timb_us> Hmmm, okay, let me try that.
[21:14] <gordonDrogon> any joy?
[21:14] <timb_us> Hang on, had to get upstairs to the Pi and get the Lapdock connected.
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[21:15] <OpenSys> gordonDrogon, one thing
[21:15] <OpenSys> bcm2835
[21:15] <OpenSys> libs
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[21:15] <OpenSys> wiringPi don't use it right ?
[21:15] <gordonDrogon> yes, you can't ask me about those as they're not mine.
[21:16] <gordonDrogon> I'm only intersted in wiringPi stuff.
[21:16] <OpenSys> yes, i just question it
[21:16] <OpenSys> because happens in both
[21:16] <gordonDrogon> they should co-exist though as long as you link with one or the other.
[21:17] <gordonDrogon> well - I'm not sure it is happening in either really - it's the calls to nanosleep() or gettimeofday() that appear to be doing the wrong thing -these are standard Linux system calls.
[21:17] <OpenSys> right
[21:17] <Grievre> gordonDrogon: I guess it makes sense that nanosleep doesn't work like you'd think it does
[21:18] <Grievre> the xxxsleep functions have no upper bound on time
[21:20] <gordonDrogon> Grievre, I know - and from experiments, the minimum time you can sleep for in the Pi is between 80 and 120?S.
[21:20] <gordonDrogon> that why I use a hard-loop for times below 100?S.
[21:20] <Gadgetoid> Most curious, can't get python to read the state of a button??? such a simple thing
[21:20] <gordonDrogon> it's not perfect, but works well in practice.
[21:21] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, can the gpio program read it first?
[21:21] <timb_us> gordonDrogon: Sweet, that took care of that error! But I've got a new one. Let me see if I can figure this one out real quick.
[21:21] <Gadgetoid> Yeah, gordonDrogon, very strange
[21:21] <Gadgetoid> HAHAHA
[21:21] <Gadgetoid> Found the deliberate mistake
[21:22] <OpenSys> lol
[21:22] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, very good! :
[21:22] <Gadgetoid> Totally forgot the call to "wiringpi.setupWiringPi()"
[21:22] <gordonDrogon> that won't help. surprised you didn't get a segfault.
[21:22] <Gadgetoid> So am I!
[21:22] <gordonDrogon> you really should have had one..
[21:23] <gordonDrogon> oh, actually no.
[21:23] <timb_us> So now it's not complaining that prog_uchar isn't a type, but it's telling me error: variable 'welcomeimage' must be const in order to be put into read-only section by means of '__attribute__((progmem))'
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[21:25] <gordonDrogon> http://www.nongnu.org/avr-libc/user-manual/group__avr__pgmspace.html
[21:26] <timb_us> That says prog_uchar is supported. And it still compiles fine on the latest IDE on my Mac...
[21:26] <gordonDrogon> you could install the latest IDE on the Pi...
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[21:27] <eggy> latest IDE for?
[21:27] <eggy> oh, python
[21:27] <timb_us> Yeah, I'm wondering if that's the problem though.
[21:27] <timb_us> eggy: Arduino
[21:28] <eggy> oh. nevermind
[21:28] <timb_us> Wouldn't it be more related to avr-libc?
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[21:28] <eggy> I plan to look into Arduino and the PI
[21:28] <eggy> been wanting to tinker with an Arduino project
[21:29] <gordonDrogon> it's probably more to do with the command-line flags passed to the compiler, but who knows.
[21:29] <timb_us> According to aptitude I'm running 1.8.0 of avr-libc and 4.7.0 of gcc-avr
[21:29] <gordonDrogon> avr-gcc is gcc version 4.7.2 (GCC) on the Pi.
[21:30] <gordonDrogon> what distro on the Pi?
[21:30] <timb_us> Latest Wheezy hard float straight from raspberrypi.org
[21:30] <timb_us> Updated firmware and apt-get packages.
[21:31] <gordonDrogon> what does avr-gcc -v say then
[21:31] <timb_us> Hrmm, now that says 4.7.2...
[21:31] <timb_us> Stupid package manager.
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[21:32] <gordonDrogon> compare it to the Mac..
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[21:33] <gordonDrogon> arduino is 1.0.1 - whatever that is. (I don't use it, just avr-gcc directly)
[21:33] <timb_us> Okay, let me figure out where it's hiding on the Mac.
[21:33] <timb_us> Latest IDE is 1.0.4 I think.
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[21:36] <timb_us> innnnteresting
[21:36] <timb_us> The Mac has both avr-gcc-3.4.6 and avr-gcc-4.3.2
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[21:37] <timb_us> So the Pi is newer.
[21:37] <timb_us> Since the code has been deprecated, maybe that's why it's not working on the Pi?
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[21:51] <OpenSys> gordonDrogon, some report, your example now works, my works... but the the sensor its the same loop
[21:51] <OpenSys> e remove ntpdate
[21:51] <OpenSys> updates
[21:51] <OpenSys> ntp
[21:51] <OpenSys> service
[21:52] <OpenSys> remove all spi all i2c cables
[21:52] <OpenSys> make a new sdcard
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[21:56] <a7x> each time i try to compile something i fight with "checking whether the C compiler works... no"
[21:56] <a7x> how do i change the default compiler to gcc-4.7, for good?
[21:57] <a7x> update-alternatives --query gcc?
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[21:58] <a7x> this should do the trick for whoever needs it: sudo update-alternatives --install /usr/bin/gcc gcc /usr/bin/gcc-4.7 50 :)
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[22:00] <ParkerR> a7x, Wonder why the update didnt do that. Or do you have multiple versions installed?
[22:01] <a7x> i installed build-essential first, pretty sure it installed 4.6
[22:01] <a7x> ParkerR, for dunno which reason --query gcc didn't give any answer
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[22:18] <zastaph> does the A model use 1.5W where B use 3.5W ? what makes such big difference
[22:19] <buzzsaw> 2W can be a big deal yes :-)
[22:19] <buzzsaw> depends on the application...
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[22:19] <zastaph> no i mean, if they run at the same clock.. what hardware in B makes the 2W difference?
[22:19] <buzzsaw> if your running battery powered at a remote location then the A could run about 2x longer?
[22:19] <zastaph> the ethernet?
[22:20] <ParkerR> Ethernet and USB hub chip
[22:20] <gordonDrogon> yup. it's a power guzzler.
[22:20] <zastaph> so if I add usb ethernet to A im probably around 3.5W aswell
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[22:24] <gordonDrogon> yes, there probably wouldn't be any point in using an A if you're going to add ethernet to it.
[22:24] <gordonDrogon> actually, it will probably still be less than a B.
[22:25] <gordonDrogon> as the chip on the B is a combine hub and ethernet interface.
[22:25] <Encrypt> zastaph, What are you planning to do ?
[22:25] <gordonDrogon> but probably not by much..
[22:25] <zastaph> home server stuff, CalDAV
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[22:31] <KiltedPi^> Can anyone help me google the datasheet for this? : http://www.maplin.co.uk/cerulian-7-port-usb-2.0-triangular-desktop-hub-513864#relateditems
[22:32] <KiltedPi^> Its a powered USB hub I'm using with the pi!
[22:32] <KiltedPi^> But! I don't seem to have a DC connector that'll fit it!
[22:32] <bact> why can't you google it yourself?
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[22:33] <ParkerR> Umm datasheet for a random chinese hub?
[22:33] <ParkerR> Are you serious?
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[22:40] <KiltedPi^> Its a teeny weeny hole, much smaller than most 'circular' DC power connectors I have. :(
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[22:40] <Encrypt> It's a micro-USB slot
[22:40] <bact> rofl
[22:41] * Encrypt thinks he hasn't understood...
[22:41] <ParkerR> Encrypt, Why did you do a channel mesage?
[22:41] <bact> ParkerR: he didn't.
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[22:41] <chithead> he used CTCP ACTION
[22:41] <Encrypt> ParkerR, It was a notice ;)
[22:41] <KiltedPi> urgh! Blooming internet!
[22:41] <ParkerR> Well
[22:42] <ParkerR> Then why a notice?
[22:42] <ParkerR> Seems uneccesary
[22:42] <KiltedPi> How can I find this datasheet dewds? "Maplin triangular 7 port USB 2.0 hub"
[22:42] <Encrypt> Didn't you see Serious Cat ?
[22:42] <KiltedPi> http://www.maplin.co.uk/cerulian-7-port-usb-2.0-triangular-desktop-hub-513864#overview
[22:42] <bact> KiltedPi: you can't say blooming in here, the ops will ban you
[22:42] <KiltedPi> thats a link!
[22:42] <KiltedPi> bact, I agree with the swearing policy
[22:42] <ParkerR> KiltedPi, Its a random chinese hub. There isnt going to be a datasheet
[22:42] <KiltedPi> Raspberry is for kids too!
[22:43] <KiltedPi> urgh, ok Parker!
[22:43] <KiltedPi> I have never seen this connector before you see
[22:43] <KiltedPi> its a really small circular hole
[22:43] <ParkerR> What? USB?
[22:43] * buzzsaw wonders what ParkerR is talking about...
[22:43] <KiltedPi> yeah
[22:43] <KiltedPi> DC 5v
[22:43] <ParkerR> Oh thats a=for a wall wart
[22:43] <ParkerR> *for
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[22:43] <KiltedPi> I have lots of DC PSU's lying around
[22:43] <chithead> there are many sizes. if you remember nokia featurephones, they also had a small connector
[22:44] <Encrypt> KiltedPi, You'd better buy a Dlink DUB-H7 USB Hub...
[22:44] <KiltedPi> I even have a few connectors in my box of goodies-
[22:44] <KiltedPi> As long as it is powered, I don't mind Encrypt
[22:44] <KiltedPi> I've bought it already alas!
[22:44] <KiltedPi> I vaguely remember seeing one a few years ago chit, yeah
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[22:45] <KiltedPi> I remember thinking 'crikey, thats a small connector!'
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[22:45] <KiltedPi> its may 0.4mm from looking at it.
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[22:45] <KiltedPi> maybe 0.3mm
[22:45] <buzzsaw> my pi is waiting for me at home :-D
[22:45] <KiltedPi> I'm next to mine buzz!
[22:46] <KiltedPi> But! Alas, I realised I've been playing with it with multiple USB's sticking out-
[22:46] <buzzsaw> I dont have a usb hub so I might have to go shopping tonight...
[22:46] * KiltedPi figured out quickly after a few SD cards got corrupted
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[22:46] <tunnelguy> hello
[22:46] <KiltedPi> buzzsaw, I would definately do so. I've learned that multiple USB's will knacker it
[22:46] <KiltedPi> Remember and get a POWERED one too tho!
[22:46] <buzzsaw> yeah thats what I mean
[22:47] <KiltedPi> and one that is 5v
[22:47] <KiltedPi> :-_
[22:47] <tunnelguy> kiltedpi what exactly corrupted the sd cards with usb's?
[22:48] <KiltedPi> Power draw
[22:48] <KiltedPi> I had a USB dongle in there, and mouse and keyboard
[22:49] <tunnelguy> so that took too much power crashed the raspberry pi and that caused the corruption?
[22:49] <KiltedPi> sure did tunnelguy
[22:49] <tunnelguy> note to self: find the power cord to the multi usb before i plug anything else in
[22:49] <KiltedPi> it was drawing less than the 5 volts it needed
[22:49] <KiltedPi> hah! yep
[22:50] <KiltedPi> I've got some pretty neat circuits in the mail as well
[22:50] <KiltedPi> one is a 'lightning detector' integrated circuit
[22:50] <zastaph> http://elinux.org/RPi_SD_cards is that the official list of SD cards? Which 16GB card is the safest bet?
[22:51] <Encrypt> I've to go ! Bye !
[22:51] <KiltedPi> and the other is a thermocouple circuit
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[22:51] <KiltedPi> Don't go with Kingston, go with the other one
[22:51] <zastaph> there's only 2 brands? :)
[22:51] <ShadowJK> Sandisk
[22:52] <ShadowJK> Well, I guess there's only like 4
[22:52] <zastaph> isnt class 4 more safe than 10?
[22:52] <KiltedPi> Sandisk yeah
[22:52] <ShadowJK> Samsung, Toshiba, who else?
[22:52] <KiltedPi> Class 10 is expensive
[22:52] <ShadowJK> Toshiba/Sandisk
[22:52] <zastaph> given I dont need performance but stability.. i guess class 4 sandisk?
[22:53] <ShadowJK> I've seen *some* c10 that have performed excellently for ntfs and ext*
[22:53] <ShadowJK> But most of them have horrible perf
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[22:55] <KiltedPi> Others will probably work!
[22:55] <KiltedPi> Its just best to go with the tested ones
[22:55] <zastaph> SDHC right?
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[22:56] <ShadowJK> yes
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[22:57] <KiltedPi^> A class ten is a very expensive one, for what it does
[22:58] <KiltedPi^> about twenty quid or so, i think?
[22:58] <KiltedPi^> very quick tho ehe
[22:58] <zastaph> SDSDB-016G-B35 it is
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[23:00] <bertrik> in my local brick-and-mortar shop, a class 10 is just slightly more expensive than a class 4
[23:00] <bact> samsung make a cheap class 10
[23:00] <zastaph> yes but the forum about SD cards mentioned problems with 10
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[23:01] <ShadowJK> Old sandisk c4 was faster than kingston and transcend class 10, in every regard
[23:01] <ShadowJK> but new sandisk c4 isn't that quick
[23:01] <tunnelguy> just for my own ideas, what do you use your raspberry pi for?
[23:01] <rikkib>
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[23:01] <bact> tunnelguy: web server
[23:02] <rikkib> I run the cameras I have with nfs and use 2gb class 4 cards
[23:02] <rikkib>
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[23:02] <rikkib> The card only has the fat32 partition
[23:03] <rikkib> Every thing else runs from nfs
[23:03] <rikkib> and is loaded into memory so there is no writes to the sd card
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[23:14] <KiltedPi> tunnelguy-
[23:15] <KiltedPi> I'm using it to learn how to interface with electronics
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[23:19] <echelon> how many amps does a rpi draw?
[23:19] <bact> 7
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[23:20] <nid0> 0.4-0.7
[23:20] <OpenSys> gordonDrogon, ping
[23:20] <echelon> what?
[23:20] <nid0> do I need to type louder?
[23:21] <echelon> why did that other guy say 7
[23:21] <ShiftPlusOne> echelon, he's our resident troll. =)
[23:21] <echelon> oh
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[23:23] <bact> ShiftPlusOne: That's uncalled for, you don't even know me.
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[23:28] <gordonDrogon> OpenSys, hello?
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[23:29] <OpenSys> gordonDrogon, guess... format sdcard, new install
[23:29] <OpenSys> same problem
[23:29] <gordonDrogon> OpenSys, and it's going ok ?
[23:29] <gordonDrogon> Ah.
[23:29] <gordonDrogon> Bother.
[23:29] <OpenSys> haaaaaa
[23:29] <OpenSys> do a update now
[23:30] * cpg|away is now known as cpg
[23:30] <OpenSys> then if not, will burn in fire....
[23:30] <KiltedPi^> bact is a sock puppet, echelon? :/
[23:30] <OpenSys> gordonDrogon, what is your board revision ?
[23:30] <bact> KiltedPi^: for whom?
[23:31] <KiltedPi^> <ShiftPlusOne> echelon, he's our resident troll. =)
[23:31] <KiltedPi^> I thought
[23:31] <KiltedPi^> that was you, nmm
[23:31] <gordonDrogon> OpenSys, I have a Rev 1 board.
[23:31] <KiltedPi^> tired!
[23:31] <gordonDrogon> well, I have 1 and 2, but am running these tests on a rev 1.
[23:31] <gordonDrogon> have some water: https://projects.drogon.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/water.jpg
[23:32] <KiltedPi^> Crikey!
[23:32] <OpenSys> i have also a 1 and also a 2
[23:32] <OpenSys> this is 2
[23:32] <OpenSys> CPU revision : 7
[23:32] <OpenSys> 512mb ram
[23:32] <KiltedPi^> Its not like the USA here tho, is it Gordon! I always wanted to jump in front of a broken fire hydrant in the us
[23:32] <gordonDrogon> my rev 2 is currently buried under some gpio expanders.
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[23:33] <KiltedPi^> Did you get that one from CPC components?
[23:33] <KiltedPi^> I didn't see the point in the end-
[23:33] <gordonDrogon> what one?
[23:33] <KiltedPi^> of buying one of those GPIO breakouts
[23:33] <KiltedPi^> one sec, link-
[23:33] * cpg is now known as cpg|away
[23:33] <gordonDrogon> no is the easy answer since I've only ever bought Pi's from Farnell..
[23:34] <OpenSys> i just say... that problem i just from another world...
[23:34] <KiltedPi^> Its called 'BoB' : https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=497471960316940&set=a.123438271053646.18381.100183546712452&type=1&theater
[23:34] <gordonDrogon> https://projects.drogon.net/the-game-of-life/ <-- what my Rev 2 Pi currently looks like.
[23:35] <gordonDrogon> I don't have a facebook account.
[23:35] <OpenSys> :)
[23:36] <OpenSys> very rare in this days
[23:36] <KiltedPi^> kk
[23:36] <KiltedPi^> another link
[23:37] <gordonDrogon> I had one - managed to successfully close it over a year ago now.
[23:37] <gordonDrogon> and yes, I'm fully aware that FB have not deleted any of my data...
[23:37] <KiltedPi^> Drat. Can't find anything on their main website
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[23:40] <zastaph> too many cases to choose from
[23:40] <gordonDrogon> pibow.
[23:41] * plugwash has avoided facebook completely......
[23:41] <gordonDrogon> you're not missing much.
[23:41] <OpenSys> gordonDrogon, correct... photos etc... exists
[23:42] <gordonDrogon> ah well zed time now.
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[23:46] <zastaph> is multicomp cases good?
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[23:47] <OpenSys> gordonDrogon, confirm same thing
[23:48] <OpenSys> i will change boards to see
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[23:55] <plugwash> "multicomp" is basically farnell's own brand
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[23:56] <plugwash> If it's the same case as the one they include with the "cased raspberry pi" then it seems ok quality but has no GPIO access and is a bit awkward to get the Pi in and out of
[23:56] <zleap> plugwash, i prefer google+
[23:56] <plugwash> (though honestly most cases are)
[23:56] <zleap> i guess for development there is a open case for that, the plastic one with a breadboard
[23:56] <zleap> and cover for the pi
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