#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2013-04-01

Timestamps are in GMT/BST.

[0:00] <Armand> Pretty much the only choice, looking at 1000W.
[0:00] <clever> the other main points, you want to avoid high current (leads to losses in the cable)
[0:00] <clever> so you need to go towards high voltage, panels in series
[0:00] <SpeedEvil> Armand: >>>720w
[0:00] <dansan> oh, rather I mean running them in paralell, basically doing double duty, but that should be find with such a low target otuput voltage
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[0:00] <clever> but if one panel in a set is in the shade, it kills the entire set
[0:00] <dansan> eew
[0:01] <clever> so too many in series and you can loose a lot
[0:01] <Armand> SpeedEvil, Yes.. I recall. :)
[0:01] <Armand> And, I reckon about ?5000. ;)
[0:01] <clever> the mppt chargers are also limited in how many volts in it can accept
[0:01] <clever> too many in series and you fry it
[0:01] <SpeedEvil> Armand: the easy way is to buy an off shelf off-grid system
[0:01] <dansan> clever: So if you have some in series, but one ends up in the shade it kinda kills the output of the whole thing?
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[0:01] <clever> but its switch mode, so it will make use of it all
[0:01] <clever> dansan: yeah
[0:01] <SpeedEvil> Armand: then you add a dc-dc converter from the battery
[0:02] <dansan> bummer, but good to know
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[0:02] <clever> dansan: current cant flow thru that panel, so it acts like a resistor
[0:02] <dansan> eew
[0:02] <Armand> SpeedEvil, I have lots to consider.. which is why I chop up my IRC logs for twiggy little notes. ^_^
[0:02] <dansan> and the higher the voltage, the less loss, correct? (since you have lower current)
[0:02] <clever> dansan: the less loss from resistance in the cables
[0:03] <clever> dansan: the most flexible (and expensive/lossy) option is to put a seperate mppt charger on every single panel
[0:03] <SpeedEvil> Armand: basically, you have three bits. a peak power tracking battery charger. a battery protector that turns off the load if the batteries get low voltage, and a SMPS to run the load from the batteries
[0:03] <clever> if any one panel or charger fails open, nothing else is taken down with it
[0:03] <SpeedEvil> Armand: you cannot use conventional grid-tie equipment, it won't work
[0:03] <dansan> interesting
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[0:04] <clever> if the goal is rpi's, you dont need any 60hz 120vac, just go pure dc
[0:04] <clever> dansan: if you had 6 panels in series, and one fails open, the other 5 panels become useless until you redo the setup
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[0:05] <clever> and depending on the load, you may not have enough juice to run it, and it could fail before you notice
[0:05] <Armand> SpeedEvil, I won't have any off-setting.. I don't want to rely on grid at all, just have the transformers (back-up supply) as a "safety net"
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[0:06] <dansan> clever: wow, sounds like there's a lot of money in this! I can think of all kinds of ways to improve upon this! :)
[0:06] <SpeedEvil> Armand: yes, it's just that grid tie is common, DC mppt is not
[0:06] <SpeedEvil> http://www.mysolarshop.co.uk/grid-tie-inverter-system-i-96.html
[0:07] <clever> dansan: i think you minimize the losses by making a single big charger that handles tons of volts and amps with low losses
[0:07] <clever> but then you have a single point of failure
[0:07] * SpeedEvil grrs at not being able to find the site he remembers
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[0:08] <Armand> The primary reason for wanting off-grid, is to make the entire set up easier to move and rebuild. Although, I acknowledge that moving best part of (potentially) 3000W of solar panels isn't the best idea. :P
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[0:08] <dansan> clever: naw, sounds like you need distributed smart powermanagers on each cell. "smart" things can be made cheaply now. You have it so that it all runs in serious (in theory), but each little unit can pop it's guy out of the loop if something goes wrong, but still feed what it's giving, so that not all of it's output is lost
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[0:08] <Armand> brb >_<
[0:08] <dansan> *series that is :)
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[0:09] <SpeedEvil> Armand: http://www.cleversolar.co.uk/shop/inverters/victron-inverter-chargers/victron-multiplus-inverter-charger-1049267.html or similar is close
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[0:09] <dansan> rather, feed what it's giving on an alternate line, so that you don't mess with the "good stuff"
[0:09] <SpeedEvil> err, no
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[0:09] <dansan> clever: is that your company?http://www.cleversolar.co.uk
[0:10] <clever> nope
[0:10] <dansan> hehe! :)
[0:10] <clever> never seen that before, lol
[0:10] <clever> dansan: that reminds me, the battery packs for electric cars
[0:10] <clever> every cell has its own microcontroller
[0:10] <clever> with 'gnd' set to the negative terminal
[0:10] <dansan> that's how you do it!
[0:10] <clever> leaving 1000v difference between the gnd of one uC and the gnd of another uC
[0:10] <dansan> wow
[0:10] <clever> each of them monitoring the local voltage and controlling a few mosfets to balance the pack
[0:10] <SpeedEvil> Armand: http://www.cleversolar.co.uk/shop/inverters/off-grid-power-solutions/sunny-island-off-grid-system-1033613.html
[0:11] <clever> then to get all of those to talk to a master without smoke, optocouplers on everything
[0:11] <clever> so relative to what its dealing with, there is no more then 5v of difference
[0:11] <clever> but relative to the chassis, some are 1000's of volts above the frame
[0:12] <dansan> clever: oh yeah, I used to call them "iso-optilators"
[0:12] <troulouliou_dev> hi i just faced a boring bug with raspbian : when deleting pi user and creating a new one ; pcmanfm freeze like hell until a Desktop folder is created under /home/user and the x session restarted
[0:12] <dansan> clever: that's f***ing amazing!
[0:12] <clever> dansan: let me find the link...
[0:12] <dansan> clever: is that how the units in electric cars work?
[0:13] <clever> atleast one model, not sure about others
[0:13] <dansan> sweet
[0:14] <SpeedEvil> commonly you will have one protection circuit per group of cells
[0:14] <SpeedEvil> this may or may not be more than one.
[0:14] <SpeedEvil> but it won't be one protector for the whole pack
[0:14] <dansan> be back in a little bit...
[0:15] <SpeedEvil> Armand: also, ##electronics
[0:15] <Armand> All far too expensive. :/
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[0:17] <SpeedEvil> Armand: there is a rather silly, and not too inefficient solution
[0:17] <clever> dansan: http://www.theamphour.com/the-amp-hour-112-ardent-automotive-artisan/
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[0:17] <SpeedEvil> take a 24v battery array
[0:17] <clever> i'm pretty sure it was this episode
[0:17] <clever> SpeedEvil: says 700v on the page here, for this case
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[0:18] <SpeedEvil> connect with blocking diodes n 36v panels in parallel with it (normal 250w ones).
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[0:18] <clever> ah, different cells then i was thinking
[0:18] <Armand> I was considering 250W panels..
[0:18] <SpeedEvil> add a shunt regulator to terminate charge at 13.8*2v
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[0:19] <Armand> Gotta fly!! Train soon!
[0:19] <Armand> .o/
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[0:19] <SpeedEvil> the efficiency is 'only' 75%! and you need a lot of cables
[0:19] <SpeedEvil> but...
[0:19] <SpeedEvil> ,,.
[0:19] <SpeedEvil> aighh
[0:20] <SpeedEvil> sigh even
[0:20] <clever> SpeedEvil: about how much would it cost to get started with a grid-tie system?
[0:20] <clever> just a few panels, but room to grow it over time
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[1:26] <[vali]> Hi
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[1:26] <CR_Sean> hello
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[2:05] <Armand> Uugh.. :/
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[2:08] <CR_Sean> problem?
[2:08] <Armand> Yeah.. took hour and half to get home.
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[2:09] <CR_Sean> how long should it have taken?
[2:09] <Armand> About an hour.
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[2:10] <Armand> There's a replacement service, for the trains.
[2:10] <Armand> Coach = slow. :/
[2:10] <CR_Sean> trains aren't running?
[2:10] <Armand> Yup
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[2:32] <home> Hey guys!! I am starting to use my brain a little
[2:32] <home> I want to power my raspberry pi from my laptop battery that is rated at 11.1Vdc at 4.3Ah.
[2:32] <home> Any ideas?
[2:32] <Armand> Regulators!
[2:33] <manitou> home over usb ?
[2:33] <home> yeah, so I can power my RPI from the laptop battery
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[2:33] <Armand> In theory, yes.
[2:34] <Armand> Look at getting an adjustable regulator so you can output 5v.
[2:34] <manitou> power usbhub with battery and pi with hub :)
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[2:34] <Armand> ^
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[2:35] <longbyte1> Hai
[2:35] <longbyte1> Someone should make a raspi emulator
[2:35] <longbyte1> or virtual pc
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[2:36] <ryao> How do I get X Windows running on the Raspberry Pi?
[2:36] <ShiftPlusOne> longbyte1, qemu
[2:36] <longbyte1> *sigh*
[2:36] <ShiftPlusOne> ryao, which distro?
[2:36] <longbyte1> no...
[2:36] <ryao> ShiftPlusOne: Gentoo.
[2:37] <Armand> home, I can run my rPi from 12v batteries.. I have honking great 7Ah lumps that weigh 2.5KG a pop. :P
[2:37] <longbyte1> Something that emulates the hardware as well
[2:37] <ShiftPlusOne> ryao, the way you normally would. Use the framebuffer driver.
[2:37] <clever> Armand: get a 12v car charger
[2:37] <ShiftPlusOne> longbyte1, qemu with torlus' patches.
[2:37] <ReggieUK> 7ah isn't that big
[2:37] <ryao> ShiftPlusOne: Are there no special patches needed?
[2:37] <clever> Armand: those already take 12v in and put out 5v with a micro usb port
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[2:37] <Armand> clever, *derp* No..
[2:37] <ReggieUK> in fact, in the scheme of things, 7ah is a bit puny
[2:37] <Armand> I need LOTS of ports. :P
[2:38] <ShiftPlusOne> ryao, no, but you can speed it up with this https://github.com/simonjhall/copies-and-fills
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[2:38] <longbyte1> ShiftPlusOne: you are aware that qemu isn't the only virtual pc out there, right?
[2:38] <Armand> ReggieUK, I got 4 for free and they work. :)
[2:38] <clever> Armand: a bucket full of car chargers? :P
[2:38] <longbyte1> Just saying.
[2:38] <Armand> harhar
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[2:38] <ShiftPlusOne> longbyte1, exactly
[2:38] <ReggieUK> they're definitely useful :)
[2:38] <clever> Armand: or a proper switch mode supply, rated for the total current of every pi
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[2:38] <ReggieUK> just not big
[2:38] <ryao> ShiftPlusOne: Thanks.
[2:38] <Armand> clever, nah.. don't want a single point of failure.
[2:39] <clever> back to a bucket then
[2:39] <Armand> With my design, it might drop a single rPi.
[2:39] <Armand> Even if a polyfuse goes, I can plug into another port. ^_^
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[2:39] <Armand> The reg/USB boards will be cheap and easy to replace.
[2:40] <ryao> ShiftPlusOne: Has anyone put this code into the kernel?
[2:41] <ShiftPlusOne> ryao, not that I am aware of
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[2:41] <Armand> And, ReggieUK.. you're quite right, they are "small" batteries, but for ?0 outlay.. I can't complain. :P
[2:42] <clever> ShiftPlusOne: that might be usefull in the android builds!
[2:42] <ryao> ShiftPlusOne: Has anyone put this into /etc/ld.so.preload?
[2:42] <ryao> Has anyone mentioned that /etc/ld.so.preload even exists?
[2:42] <ShiftPlusOne> ryao, it's a part of raspbian by default, yes.
[2:43] <ShiftPlusOne> well, the foundation's raspbian image, I don't know about stock raspbian.
[2:43] <ryao> ShiftPlusOne: In ld.so.preload or part of libc?
[2:43] <ShiftPlusOne> in ld.so.preload
[2:44] <clever> ShiftPlusOne: do you know much about oprofile on the rpi?
[2:44] <ShiftPlusOne> clever, nope, I don't know much about anything really
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[2:50] <Armand> Forgot to add A records for the subdomains of my .com. *derp*
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[2:53] <Armand> tonyhughes!
[2:53] <tonyhughes> Armand!
[2:54] <Armand> :)
[2:56] <Armand> I think I'm going to include your installer on my deployment images for baked-pi.
[2:58] <home> Hey guys what do you think of this for powering my rpi from my laptop battery?
[2:58] <home> http://www.dimensionengineering.com/products/de-swadj
[2:58] <chupacabra> baked-pi ??
[3:02] <chupacabra> oic
[3:02] <tonyhughes> Armand - wait for the next release - BIG difference
[3:03] <tonyhughes> with all known bugs and annoyances being killed/fixed
[3:04] <Armand> home.baked-pi.co.uk
[3:04] <tonyhughes> And nicely presented/compatible with much smaller terminal windows
[3:04] <home> ?
[3:04] <Armand> I have the .com too
[3:04] <chupacabra> ya google found it
[3:04] <Armand> Sorry, home
[3:05] <Armand> :P
[3:05] <Armand> I love the wordplay. ^_^
[3:05] <tonyhughes> Home Baked Pie.... hehe
[3:05] * chupacabra is hungry
[3:06] <Armand> The forum is called "The Baker's Oven." :D
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[3:06] <kieppie> howdy folks
[3:06] <tonyhughes> Baked Raspberry Pi Mod is getting a name change
[3:06] <tonyhughes> Hi kieppie
[3:06] <ShiftPlusOne> hi
[3:06] <kieppie> can user some of my RasPi's (mod A & B) as USB slave devices?
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[3:07] <Armand> I'm thinking I should ditch bbPHP though.. I hate the user management.
[3:07] <Armand> PHPbb, sorry
[3:07] <Armand> :/
[3:07] <tonyhughes> users LOVE phpBB
[3:07] <kieppie> quick google seems to indicate not, but just double-checking if anyone's found a simple hack
[3:07] <tonyhughes> Dont think so kieppie
[3:08] <kieppie> I have an old crappy DJ station that I'd like to gut & equip with rpi's, but it I cant is it as USB host, thank makes things a little bit tricier
[3:09] <tonyhughes> Martin, if you are going to include Baked Raspberry Pi Mod, I'll tweak a version so it doesn't complain about being out of date on first run if you like. (Will still leave a notification though...)
[3:09] <Armand> I agree, tonyhughes.. it's a nice set up, but the user management is AWFUL!
[3:09] <home> can someone help me http://www.dimensionengineering.com/datasheets/DE-SWADJ.pdf
[3:09] <home> why are there only 3 pins instead of 4?
[3:09] <home> Vout, Gnd, Vin
[3:09] <ShiftPlusOne> What do you think is missing?
[3:10] <Armand> tonyhughes, it updates on each start though, right?
[3:10] <home> another Gnd?
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[3:10] <ShiftPlusOne> Why another gnd? O_o
[3:10] <home> so wait
[3:10] <Armand> o_O
[3:10] <home> lets say from my battery, I wire it to Vin and GND
[3:10] <home> for the Vout..how do I know if its + or - ?
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[3:11] <home> or do I just send + to Vin from my battery?
[3:11] <kieppie> tonyhughes <- NZ?
[3:11] <ShiftPlusOne> it's +ve
[3:11] <Armand> It's a Vout..
[3:11] <Armand> Not -
[3:11] <ShiftPlusOne> the output is 1.25-13v
[3:11] <home> how would I wire that so that it powers my rpi XD
[3:11] <Armand> in/out.. not +/-
[3:12] <home> yeah sure
[3:12] <Armand> So, high in/low out.
[3:12] <ShiftPlusOne> home, connect ground to ground and vout to 5v (after adjusting it so that you know it's 5v out)
[3:12] <home> okay
[3:12] <home> and Vin is just ??
[3:13] <ShiftPlusOne> vin is from the battery.
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[3:13] <home> and Gnd is from RPI?
[3:13] <ShiftPlusOne> gnd is common to both sides
[3:13] <home> so I gotta wire both of em, right?
[3:13] <Armand> gnd = earth.
[3:13] <ShiftPlusOne> so you'd have 2 wires running from gnd.
[3:13] <home> okay, see..now that makes more sense
[3:13] <tonyhughes> kieppie, yes NZ
[3:14] <tonyhughes> Armand - yes it does update each start, but if packaging it with something else, it might be nice for it to just run nicely the first time? And not project the whole "gee i just downloaded this and its already out of date" image...?
[3:15] <Armand> lol
[3:16] <tonyhughes> lol
[3:16] <Armand> I'm sure it's fine.. I'm the only one that will see it to start with.
[3:16] <tonyhughes> Sweet
[3:16] <tonyhughes> Well ill get moving on the new version again. Im well over 70% through my fixes
[3:16] <Armand> If it becomes a niggle later, I'll let you know. ;)
[3:16] <Armand> Oohh!!
[3:17] <tonyhughes> better go hang washing out! back later
[3:17] * tonyhughes is doing housework omg
[3:17] <Armand> As you have SQLite on there.. can you throw in a bit to quick setup a blank database for it?
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[3:21] * [Saint] wonders if he is secretly tonyhughes
[3:22] <[Saint]> I'm in NZ, and *I* just hung washing out...
[3:22] <Armand> lol
[3:22] <Armand> I can't believe I'm reading this.. SQlite has NO user privileges/passwords ?
[3:23] <pksato> no.
[3:23] <Armand> sucks..
[3:23] <pksato> SQlite is a file basead DBMS.
[3:24] <[Saint]> Why does it suck? You can always ensure that only specific users have access to the db.
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[3:24] <Armand> So, where would the DB file live ?
[3:24] <Armand> [Saint], I don't know that much, yet. :P
[3:25] <pksato> any place on FS.
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[3:25] <clever> if you dont want people writing to the db, dont give them +w access
[3:25] <clever> if you dont want them reading, dont give them +r on the file
[3:26] <Armand> Well, it's only going to be there for the webserver.
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[3:27] <clever> very simple, no passwords to deal with, no server to keep running
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[3:27] <Armand> Well, I'm considering offloading all the database duties to a server anyway.
[3:28] <Armand> Once I get my hands on the frickin' server. :/
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[3:29] <clever> thats why sqlite is used in things like android, where you dont want the user to be tied to a mysql server
[3:29] <[Saint]> yes - its much easier to limit access via permissions IMO.
[3:30] <clever> in the case of mysql, you also have to worry about bugs in the mysql server
[3:30] <clever> if a bug was properly exploited, the passwords mean nothing, one user can access all data
[3:30] <clever> but sqlite just doesnt have that problem
[3:30] <chupacabra> mysql? bugs? Woah
[3:31] <Armand> I get you.
[3:31] <clever> chupacabra: any daemon running under a different username will have this problem
[3:31] <clever> mysql is not alone
[3:32] * [Saint] thinks chupacabra /may/ have been being sarcastic ;)
[3:32] <[Saint]> s/may have been/almost certainly was/
[3:32] <Armand> I starting thinking that a database server would be useful, to save on writes to the rPi SD cards.
[3:32] <[Saint]> How large is the db?
[3:33] <Armand> As well as being somewhat faster than a Pi
[3:33] <clever> yeah, sqlite is alot more write heavy
[3:33] <[Saint]> You could always keep it in a tmpfs.
[3:33] <clever> in the default (journal) mode, it will basicaly write everything to the card twice
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[3:33] <Armand> [Saint], No idea.. they haven't even been deployed yet. :P
[3:33] <clever> wal mode is much better on writes, but still has to write every change once, even if later changes undo stuff
[3:33] <aaa801> Anyone know where i can get a 64*32 pixel screen or a 128*64 that wont take 5 weeks to get here and is cheapish?
[3:34] <aaa801> gordonDrogon, any ideas :D
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[3:34] <[Saint]> got any DAPs lying around?
[3:34] <clever> aaa801: https://www.sparkfun.com/products/710
[3:34] <Armand> See, the way I figure it is.. split the SDs 50/50.. half for /var/www
[3:34] <yeik> anybody seen a gpio input change when you are touch the cable but don't actually hit the button?
[3:35] <aaa801> clever, ye, how long you recon it takes them to ship to england
[3:35] <clever> aaa801: ah, uk, not sure
[3:35] <aaa801> :(
[3:35] <Armand> Use a DB server to save writes and it enables the user to keep more space on the SD.
[3:35] <clever> Armand: you can also use sqlite over nfs
[3:35] <Armand> That too..
[3:36] <yeik> or is that due to the breadboard and the wires somehow being able to touch in the breadboard?
[3:36] <clever> or maybe even samba and a winblows box, depending on who the end-user is
[3:36] <chupacabra> why did slashdot run a story about Respberry Pi being sold in us?
[3:36] <Armand> Nope!
[3:36] <Armand> clever, I'm the admin.. I say NO WINDOWS!
[3:36] <Armand> lol
[3:36] <clever> yay :D
[3:36] <ShiftPlusOne> chupacabra, model a
[3:36] <clever> sadly, i still have a windows server downstairs
[3:37] <Armand> These are going to be little webhosts, not application servers.
[3:37] <clever> running programs i wrote before i learned better :P
[3:37] <clever> i dont even maintain them anymore
[3:37] <clever> all i do is make sure its running
[3:37] <Armand> :)
[3:37] <clever> lighttpd?
[3:37] <Armand> I have a Win2003 server out back.. it's crrrrrr(rubbish)
[3:37] <chupacabra> my be was shipped from us
[3:37] <Armand> nginx or lighty.
[3:37] <chupacabra> B
[3:38] <[Saint]> chupacabra: yeah - I wondered that too...
[3:38] <Armand> clever, I'm going to offer options depending on content.
[3:38] <[Saint]> "Yay - you can buy them in the US natively now. ...you've been able to order them in for *months*, but, this is somehow amazing!"
[3:38] <Armand> Obviously, if someone only wants static .html, they don't need PHP/DB :P
[3:39] <clever> you could also put the database on a normal usb stick, and just replace that when things fail
[3:39] <clever> set it up to backup to the sd card weekly or something
[3:39] <Armand> Nah.. uses more power. :P
[3:39] <clever> a usb stick eats too much power?
[3:39] <Armand> Yup
[3:39] <clever> what are you running it off of?
[3:39] <Armand> Solaaar!
[3:40] <clever> ah!
[3:40] <clever> model a or b?
[3:40] <Armand> The server will be on mains, so.. all good.
[3:40] <Armand> B, of course. LAN port.
[3:40] <Armand> *facepalms*
[3:40] <clever> oh yeah, lol :P
[3:40] <clever> if you didnt need ethernet, you could save a lot more power
[3:40] <Armand> This project is going into a datacentre with FAT pipes. :D
[3:40] <clever> http://hackaday.com/2013/01/24/building-your-own-model-a-raspberry-pi/
[3:41] <Armand> But.. no ethernet = no internet. O.o
[3:41] <clever> you could use wifi and make it into a hotspot
[3:41] <Armand> Errmm..
[3:41] <clever> sealed box, light goes in, website radiates out
[3:41] <Armand> lol
[3:41] <clever> but then it wouldnt be good for a datacenter
[3:41] <Armand> Bingo
[3:42] <Armand> DC = FAT pipes = LAN!
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[3:42] <clever> the system running the database server will probly have more idle horsepower then all the pi's combined
[3:42] <clever> so, why?, because you can? :D
[3:42] <Armand> Indeedy
[3:43] <Armand> I'm looking at alternatives to the usual BIG SERVER webhosting.
[3:43] <Armand> The whole solar thing is just... because. :P
[3:43] <clever> lol
[3:44] <Armand> I love "free" power.
[3:44] <Armand> Getting free internet pipes for my project is a real sweet touch though. ;)
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[3:45] <clever> hmmm, did a quick google to find some random grid-tie in hardware
[3:45] <clever> i think i'm in the wrong scale
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[3:45] <clever> $4902 for a 2500 watt grid tie-in
[3:46] <Armand> fk that. O_O
[3:46] * Armand ducks
[3:46] <Armand> I'm looking at about ?1 per watt for solar.
[3:47] <clever> the item i mentioned above is $1.96 per watt
[3:47] <clever> and simply feeds the solar power back into the grid
[3:47] <clever> has to synchronize with the existing ac
[3:47] <Armand> Sounds like a pain.
[3:47] <Armand> I'd rather charge batteries, output 12v... regulate to 5v.
[3:48] <clever> thats the option when you want to either a: cut your bill in half
[3:48] <clever> or b: make the meter spin backwards!
[3:48] <yeik> so, anybody played with the GPIO pins much?
[3:48] <Armand> lol
[3:48] <clever> Armand: yeah, in your case, skip the ac
[3:48] <Armand> :)
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[3:48] <clever> Armand: if you spin the meter backwards during the day, and forwards at night, your bill will even out to be much less
[3:48] <clever> or negative (they pay you!)
[3:48] <Armand> I'll still *have* AC/DC transformers as a backup.
[3:49] <clever> yeik: ive done some crude tests with bit-banging square waves
[3:49] <rpitin> Armand: are the microservers for your own personal use or commercial?
[3:49] <clever> i think it peaked at about 10 or 20mhz
[3:49] <yeik> interesting. Im just trying to test out a button and an LED
[3:49] <Armand> rpitin, kinda both.
[3:50] <clever> yeik: ah, that will be simple then
[3:50] <clever> i was trying to do digital audio over the gpio pins, didnt get anywhere close
[3:50] <yeik> mostly. I have "working"
[3:50] <yeik> i have seen several diagrams though that have different locations with a resistor connecting to ground, or to the gpio, or between the gpio and the 3.3 v
[3:51] <yeik> and the way i have it now, i move the cable at all and it changes it glitches depending on my polling intreval
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[3:52] <clever> id need to see a schematic to know whats wrong
[3:52] <aaa801> clever, is that screen i2c ?
[3:52] <yeik> on mine? the funny thing it happens when the wire isn't attached to anything.
[3:52] <clever> aaa801: no ida
[3:52] <clever> idea*
[3:52] <rpitin> Armand: why microservers over virtualisatiion?
[3:53] <clever> yeik: that could be because the pin and wire are left floating
[3:53] <clever> and its picking up stray rf
[3:53] <Armand> rpitin, because VM = big servers.
[3:53] <clever> thats why you usualy want a pull up/down resistor, to give it a set limit
[3:53] <rpitin> Armand: yeah sure, but you can always split them into smaller virtual instances.
[3:53] <Armand> Indeed, but you're missing the point.
[3:53] <clever> aaa801: looks like too many wires for i2c, but it may still fit on the gpio header
[3:53] <rpitin> Armand: also helps with load balancing.
[3:53] <Armand> That's not an "alternative" to big servers.
[3:54] <aaa801> i have over 50 gpio lines on my pi clever :D
[3:54] <yeik> clever, is it that sensitive to stray rf?
[3:54] <clever> aaa801: http://www.agehringer.com/images/stories/PIC_Microcontrollers/PongClock/PongClockSchematic_Rev1.01_PNG.png
[3:54] <clever> aaa801: ah here it is, 8 data pins, ~5 control pins
[3:54] <aaa801> so it is i2c =/ ?
[3:54] <clever> yeik: depends on how long the wire is, and how much stray energy
[3:54] <aaa801> or just pure gpio
[3:54] <clever> aaa801: nope, i2c is 2 wires
[3:54] <aaa801> aha
[3:55] <Armand> rpitin, load balancing?? wassat? :P
[3:55] <aaa801> aslong as it isnt spi
[3:55] <aaa801> q_q
[3:55] <aaa801> i have a 8 bit lcd display hooked up atm
[3:55] <aaa801> should be similar setup
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[3:55] <rpitin> Armand: trying to work out where the microserver fits in is all.
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[3:56] <Armand> Comparable to a dedicated server.. there is no load balancing.
[3:56] <Armand> I have a different project in mind there. ;)
[3:57] <yeik> clever, that must be it. I wave my hand in front of it, and it changes
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[3:57] <yeik> I do have 2 wireless routers within 5 feet of it.
[3:58] <clever> lol
[3:58] <clever> add a pullup or pulldown resistor
[3:58] <clever> between the gpio and either +3.3v or gnd
[3:58] <yeik> so 10k.
[3:59] <yeik> you can connect the 3.3v directly to the gpio pin without issues right?
[3:59] <clever> yeah
[3:59] <clever> as long as its in input mode
[3:59] <clever> if you set it to output 0v and then connect it to 3.3v, bad things may happen
[4:01] <yeik> yeah.
[4:02] <yeik> well, it helped a little. i can wave my hand with no effect but when i release the button it does a whole series
[4:03] <clever> might want to get a scope connected and see what level the pin is at, how long it takes to rise
[4:03] <clever> or add some de-bouncing in software
[4:04] <yeik> i'll play with it.
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[4:06] <yeik> de-bouncing worked before. but i had it up to 1 second.
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[4:15] <Triffid_Hunter> yeik: button contacts bounce. this is well known. you can either reduce your polling interval, or add a capacitor across the button
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[4:24] <yeik> netsplit?
[4:25] <tzarc> indeed
[4:25] <yeik> hate those
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[4:26] <yeik> so. got my switch working to change settings to my other gpio to power my led
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[4:27] <yeik> looks like the netsplit is still going on
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[4:28] <home> Okay guys
[4:29] <home> I am testing my RPI to do some video streaming over wifi
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[4:29] <yeik> fun
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[4:45] <tonyhughes> [Saint] where in NZ? (Havelock North here)
[4:46] <[Saint]> Christchurch Central
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[4:47] <tonyhughes> Sweet
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[4:50] <dwarder> why my RPI doesn't get dhcp ?
[4:50] <dwarder> address
[4:50] <dwarder> over eth
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[4:51] <tonyhughes> dwarder it all depends on your network infrastructure and how your Pi is set up
[4:51] <tonyhughes> e.g. what OS it is running, what changes you have made to it
[4:52] <tonyhughes> Do you have a DHCP server running on your network?
[4:52] <dwarder> i just dd to my sd card
[4:52] <dwarder> and load it
[4:52] <dwarder> yes
[4:52] <dwarder> i do
[4:52] <dwarder> and my notebook works
[4:52] <tonyhughes> Ok, back to basics... what OS are you running?
[4:52] <dwarder> on rpi?
[4:52] <tonyhughes> yes
[4:52] <dwarder> raspberrian
[4:53] <Armand> raspbian ?
[4:53] <dwarder> yup
[4:53] <tonyhughes> Have you made any network config changes?
[4:53] <dwarder> no
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[4:53] <wombledom> hi
[4:53] <dwarder> just boot it and no internet
[4:53] <tonyhughes> Post your /etc/network/interfaces here (disclaimer I dont know if pasting 10-20 lines is ok here)
[4:54] <Armand> pastebin !
[4:54] <dwarder> they are default
[4:54] <tonyhughes> or use pastebin etc
[4:54] <wombledom> is it possible to use the pi to route internet from a wifi dongle to a pc?
[4:54] <dwarder> i didn't change anything
[4:54] <dwarder> wombledom: it is
[4:54] <tonyhughes> Do you have a network cable plugged into your pi
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[4:54] <wombledom> does routing consume much cpu time?
[4:54] <dwarder> tonyhughes: yes i do
[4:54] <ring0> rm -rf /
[4:54] <tonyhughes> Where is the other end of the network cable plugged into?
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[4:55] <dwarder> tonyhughes: router
[4:55] <Armand> wombledom, https://www.google.co.uk/#hl=en&sclient=psy-ab&q=raspberry+pi+sharing+internet&oq=raspberry+pi+sharinf&gs_l=hp.3.0.0i13j0i8i13i30l3.186.4458.0.6097.,or.r_cp.r_qf.&bvm=bv.44442042,d.d2k&fp=b458fb761608a237&biw=1400&bih=877
[4:55] <tonyhughes> Have you tried a different cable?
[4:55] <Armand> Errkk.. long link. sorry. :P
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[4:55] <tonyhughes> TinyURL much Armand?
[4:55] <tonyhughes> lol
[4:55] <Armand> hush. :P
[4:56] <dwarder> tonyhughes: i should dhcp ok by default right?
[4:56] <Armand> wombledom, http://roughlea.wordpress.com/raspberry-pi-experiences/configure-the-raspberry-pi-to-share-a-linux-internet-connection/
[4:56] <tonyhughes> not if something is broken... have you tried a different cable?
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[4:58] <dwarder> tonyhughes: yup, cable problem
[4:58] <dwarder> tonyhughes: thanks
[4:58] <dwarder> so what is the prefered way to install packages?
[4:58] <tonyhughes> Sweet, its sooooo often the simple things, and even uber-geeks often don't see the forest for the trees lol
[4:58] <dwarder> apt-get install?
[4:58] <tonyhughes> yes
[4:59] <dwarder> cool, thanks
[4:59] <tonyhughes> well.... preferred if you like apt and want easy upgrades with the repos
[4:59] <Armand> tonyhughes makes a nice tool for installing stuff on rPi. :D
[4:59] <tonyhughes> if you want newest packages then manually installing .deb or compiling is the way to go
[4:59] <dwarder> Armand: other than apt-get install?
[4:59] <Armand> tonyhughes....
[4:59] <dwarder> i see
[4:59] <Armand> lol
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[5:00] <tonyhughes> dwarder its only for some specific software... http://www.geek101.co.nz/bakedraspberrypimod
[5:00] <tonyhughes> some of it is simple apt packages anyway, but some of them are much harder manual installs that my software will do automagically
[5:00] <tonyhughes> It's still got some bugs, but all the major stuff works great
[5:01] <Armand> Did you state before, it's a lot of bash scripting?
[5:01] <dwarder> tonyhughes: i want it to be torrent box with a web interface
[5:01] <tonyhughes> dwarder BRPI has that built in.....
[5:01] <dwarder> BRPI?
[5:01] <tonyhughes> transmission daemon is a simple install but an 'intermediate' config
[5:01] <tonyhughes> Baked Raspberry Pi Mod
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[5:07] <tonyhughes> Armand yes whole thing is just Bash scripts, including the installer, and the updating system
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[5:08] <Armand> I'm interested in something more involved.. kinda like a cpanel replacement.
[5:08] <Armand> So users can add FTP users and such.
[5:09] <Armand> ^ clients :P
[5:09] <tonyhughes> The update system just checks for a new version number in a plain text file on the http server, and that text file is generated from a Bash scripting interface I wrote using Bash (with nano as its editor)
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[5:09] <Armand> Would it be relatively simple to have this run automatically when a user logs in via SSH ?
[5:10] <tonyhughes> Armand - php or python or something would be much more suited, but if i was going to do a basic-but-reliable cpanel alternative, id do it in Bash cause thats all i know
[5:10] <tonyhughes> lol
[5:10] <Armand> I like what you've done.. I'm just thinking on how it might be expanded to suit a webserver.
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[5:10] <Armand> And, as it's bash.. it should port well to other Linux distros.
[5:10] <tonyhughes> You want web based control panel, or console based control panel?
[5:11] <Armand> console.. easier. :P
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[5:11] <tonyhughes> Yeah, the next version of BRPI is touting its Ubuntu/Debian compaitibility, and RPi specific routines now check for RPi hardware before running
[5:11] <Armand> If it's a PHP-based control panel.. I have to make PHP standard across the project.
[5:12] <tonyhughes> Armand im keen to write or co-write such a panel
[5:12] <tonyhughes> (Bash/console)
[5:12] <Armand> I can certainly offer test platforms. :D
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[5:12] <Armand> ll
[5:12] <Armand> lol
[5:12] <Armand> I'm no coder..
[5:12] <tonyhughes> Same. BRPI is my first effort
[5:13] <Armand> I'm more interested in your project, as it's bash.. more relevant to a Sysadmin. ;)
[5:13] <tonyhughes> Yeah I like Bash cause it just works everywhere that I work
[5:13] <tonyhughes> i.e. in linux consoles lol
[5:14] <Armand> And, it suits the laziness inherent to busy Sysadmins. ;)
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[5:17] <discopig> hi
[5:17] <discopig> i love zsh
[5:17] <discopig> backward compatible with bash but has tons of cool stuff
[5:18] <tonyhughes> discopig, i should check it out, because I love Bash, and im too lazy to learn Python, so im programming Bash instead lol
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[5:19] <discopig> zsh is pretty much bash developper version
[5:19] <discopig> and has lots of nice usability features like tabbing on typoed things and better tabbing http://friedcpu.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/05-zsh-correct.png
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[5:29] <clever> tonyhughes: ive seen bash do insane things, an entire irc client in bash
[5:29] <clever> https://github.com/halhen/shic
[5:30] <clever> :O, its only 129 lines of code
[5:31] <clever> irssi is bigger then that!
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[5:31] <tonyhughes> Very cool!
[5:31] <clever> exec 3<>/dev/tcp/$SHIC_HOST/$SHIC_PORT || exit 1
[5:32] <clever> this is the key
[5:32] <clever> a little known trick inside bash
[5:32] <clever> that file doesnt exist
[5:32] <clever> but if you try to redirect to/from it, bash will open a tcp socket
[5:32] <[vali]> wow. The smallest I knew was tinyirc, but this is even smaller
[5:33] <clever> not counting the bash binary itself, this is probly smaller then any irc client, even after compiling
[5:33] <clever> but to be fair, you need to total up all the source in bash itself :P
[5:33] <clever> its like a 3 line c program running a irc lib, you cant claim the irc client is 3 lines
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[5:34] <[vali]> but you have bash there even if you don't use this script, so that counts for me as "no overhead"
[5:34] <clever> yep
[5:34] <Grievre> clever: Also it's not a super useful IRC client
[5:35] <clever> Grievre: yeah, its probly missing a ton of features
[5:35] <[vali]> tinyirc was not either XD
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[5:35] <clever> i can see ways to add gui to it as well, but it would be very very messy, the way i'm thinking
[5:35] <clever> dd of=/dev/fb0!
[5:36] <Grievre> clever: Well I mean I guess the question is at what point does something earn the title of "complete" irc client? You can IRC with telnet or netcat although it's kind of ugly
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[5:36] <clever> biggest problem ive had with irc in telnet is answering the first ping in time
[5:36] <clever> needs copy/paste, or you often time out
[5:37] <Grievre> clever: shic doesn't implement CTCP which is generally considered a mandatory thing
[5:37] <clever> yeah, i know a few networks that will VERSION everybody on a regular basis
[5:37] <clever> probly to find bots that dont implement that
[5:37] <clever> ive left it out on my own bots as well
[5:38] <clever> ive written irc clients. in mirc script...
[5:38] <Grievre> clever: Also shic responds to PING with a PONG with no arguments
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[5:38] <Grievre> which isn't good enough all of the time
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[5:42] <fr0g911> moo
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[5:44] <tonsofpcs> I've got a USB sound card attached to the pi (a bit larger so I have space next to the pi board) that I want to connect balanced line I/O to. Any suggestions for a cheap way to do it? Ideally I want transformer balanced or isolated. 20-20k flat +-1dB would be nice. 40-15k +-3dB mandatory
[5:44] <[vali]> ok, now that the channel is a bit active, a question: What kind of boot loaders are available in RB? I dont want something that downloads things from internet or things like that but something like syslinux where you can configure it the way you want
[5:45] <ShiftPlusOne> [vali], there are a few, but why is the built in bootloader out of the question?
[5:45] <tonsofpcs> [vali]: this ^^
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[5:46] <Grievre> tonsofpcs: You want balanced going into or out of the pi?
[5:47] <clever> [vali]: the only 'alternate' ive seen is rather large, it appears to be a full linux install, which (i guess) does a kexec to the system of your choice, http://hackaday.com/2013/02/24/multibooting-the-raspberry-pi/
[5:47] <[vali]> is there a way to have several rootfs each in a file or initrd and choose from them?
[5:47] <clever> [vali]: with a custom initrd, easily
[5:47] <[vali]> syslinux is perfect, you can choose everything
[5:47] <clever> [vali]: just add some bash scripting to the init script, to ask the user which root, then mount it, pivot_root, and exec /sbin/init
[5:47] <Grievre> tonsofpcs: and how many channels?
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[5:47] <clever> but all roots must share the kernel
[5:47] <[vali]> yeah, but i want different kernels too..
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[5:48] <clever> [vali]: kexec from there, or get the 'finished' solution, in the link i posted above
[5:48] <[vali]> that's why I searching for alternatives
[5:48] <ShiftPlusOne> kexec doesn't work
[5:48] <clever> ShiftPlusOne: why not?
[5:48] <[vali]> nah, "finished" is not the thing
[5:48] <ShiftPlusOne> clever, doesn't work with the videocore properly. It boots, but then none of the vc stuff works.
[5:48] <[vali]> I just want to tinker a bit, the main goal I got the PI.
[5:48] <tonsofpcs> Grievre: both ways, stereo, line. I've got a noname/diamond USB sound card already that has mini unbalanced consumer line i/o.
[5:49] <ShiftPlusOne> [vali], there is uboot, but I haven't tried it.
[5:49] <clever> ShiftPlusOne: ah
[5:49] <clever> ShiftPlusOne: makes me wonder how berryboot works then....
[5:49] <[vali]> uboot... interesting
[5:49] <ShiftPlusOne> clever, like you said the first time... pivot/switch_root
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[5:49] <Grievre> tonsofpcs: Hmm...
[5:49] <tonsofpcs> I'd probably start by building it 'outside the box' with mini cables going into it for testing, then once satisfied crack the case and build one box with everything (usb sound 'card', usb hub, rpi, lcd+buttons, i/o connectors, etc)
[5:50] <clever> ShiftPlusOne: the ui seems fairly big, including cec support, much more to get in the way of a pivot_root...
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[5:50] <tonsofpcs> ( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16829111005 is the card [well, one of the two, the other is the exact same hardware unbranded])
[5:50] <clever> ShiftPlusOne: digging into the source...
[5:50] <tonsofpcs> (i'm building two)
[5:50] <ShiftPlusOne> clever, not sure I follow
[5:50] <[vali]> ok, another boot related question: with the default bootloader where do you specify the rootfs, just to be able to configure it in the SD or in a USB?
[5:51] <ShiftPlusOne> [vali], cmdline.txt
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[5:51] <clever> [vali]: the root fs can be on anything the kernel can access, sd, usb, nfs, nfs over the web! (hello lag!!)
[5:52] <clever> the only real requirement is that the kernel.img (and optionaly ramdisk.img) on the sd card be able to access that
[5:52] <Grievre> tonsofpcs: So for the inputs you can basically just build a differential amp. Just make sure that + and - have approximately equal impedance to your ground
[5:52] <[vali]> yeah, but where do you configure that? (cmdline, it seems)
[5:52] <Grievre> that's easy
[5:52] <clever> [vali]: yep, cmdline.txt, root=
[5:53] <[vali]> ok... my goal is to make a linux from scratch using uclibc.
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[5:53] <clever> ShiftPlusOne: i cant see how berry boot works at a glance, it supports so many devices
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[5:53] <clever> cant see the tree thru the forest
[5:53] <[vali]> did it long time ago in a floppy disk. uclibc + busybox is a great combo
[5:54] <Grievre> tonsofpcs: the outputs... I'm not quite sure of the requirements there.
[5:54] <clever> [vali]: ive done similar, but much much bigger
[5:54] <clever> [vali]: the entire root filesystem (~2gig) squashfs'd down to ~600mb, then copied to ram by the initrd script
[5:54] <tonsofpcs> Grievre: well, since there's also the pro/consumer level conversion, the input shouldn't need amplification (in fact, it'll need padding). For output, I'm ok if the level is low ('consumer') but the amplification is easy in an opamp if I end up in that route
[5:54] <[vali]> I want it the smaller the better... jus to play around :P
[5:54] <clever> [vali]: xorg, firefox, wine (it could run warcraft!), chrome, gnome
[5:54] <ShiftPlusOne> clever, last time I checked it worked exactly as I said. I also had a similar thing working on my pi (xecloader), but I never released it or polished it up. The init script I saw was exactly similar to what I had (but obviously written independetnly, so slighty different)
[5:55] <clever> obviously, i had to store warcraft elsewhere
[5:55] <Grievre> tonsofpcs: Right but you need a differential amp to take a differential signal and output single-ended
[5:55] <Grievre> or vice-versa
[5:55] <[vali]> with the kernel size those days there was 400 k free in the floppy :D
[5:55] <clever> ShiftPlusOne: makes me wonder how hard it would be to write a bare-metal bootloader
[5:55] <tonsofpcs> well, differential to single-ended you can use a differential amp and ground one side of the output (essentially)
[5:56] <Grievre> "one side of the output"?
[5:56] <ShiftPlusOne> clever, I would imagine that for someone who can write a bootloader, it wouldn't be hard. I am clueless when it comes to bare metal though, so no idea.
[5:56] <[vali]> it seems is a bit tricky, since the first stage is run in the GPU and not the CPU, plus there is no documentation about the GPU...
[5:56] <tonsofpcs> + and - signal go in, + and - signal come out, ground '-'
[5:56] <[vali]> thats what I read
[5:56] <clever> ShiftPlusOne: same, ive not done much x86 assembly, no arm assembly at all
[5:56] <Grievre> tonsofpcs: I don't think "differential amplifier" implies differential output
[5:57] <Grievre> generally differential amps have + and - inputs and a single out
[5:57] <tonsofpcs> oh
[5:57] <tonsofpcs> well then it's even easier ;)
[5:57] <clever> i'm guessing its just a matter of parsing the device tree/atags (are they the same thing??), tweaking small bits like the cmdline and initrd location, and giving a ui
[5:57] <Grievre> tonsofpcs: I mean it sounds like you already know how to do this?
[5:57] <clever> and forwarding the atags/device tree onward (probly where kexec fails)
[5:57] <tonsofpcs> Grievre: I'm just looking for a good way to do it in a small form factor for cheap.
[5:57] <tonsofpcs> the overarching theory is nothing new.
[5:58] <Grievre> I don't see how a handful of opamps and passives could be anything but small and cheap
[5:58] <pksato> tonsofpcs: smd oas.
[5:58] <ShiftPlusOne> clever, https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/issues/27
[5:58] <tonsofpcs> Grievre: well, need things decent for audio...
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[5:59] <clever> ShiftPlusOne: yeah, thats probly a much simpler fix
[5:59] <Grievre> tonsofpcs: An op-amp that /can't/ handle audio signals is a terrible op-amp
[5:59] <ShiftPlusOne> clever, and here is the berryboot init script https://github.com/maxnet/berryboot/blob/berryboot2.0/buildroot-2012.05/package/berrybootgui2/init
[5:59] <Grievre> the vast majority of op-amps have specs that are way overkill for audio signals
[5:59] <tonsofpcs> Grievre: well, 20 - 20k +-1dB
[6:00] <Grievre> most op amps are 0 - 100k +-1db
[6:00] <Grievre> if not up to several megahertz
[6:00] <clever> ShiftPlusOne: ah
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[6:01] <clever> ShiftPlusOne: so it would probly cause problems trying to multi-boot android, though i think the android kernel could be used as the master
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[6:26] <tonsofpcs> Grievre: the issue with standard audio i/o and generic opamps is making it work at 600 ohm termination but also with high impedance inputs from low impedance sources... 20 to 20k +-1dB not only in level but in phase
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[7:28] <timb_us> Hey guys, I'm having some trouble getting CMA working.
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[7:28] <timb_us> Running latest firmware. On boot it's freezing at vchiq_get_state: g_state.remote->initialized=1 (0)
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[7:29] <home> tried to run motion :/
[7:29] <home> it failed
[7:30] <rpitin> where is it failing?
[7:31] <rpitin> and what webcam are you using?
[7:31] <[Saint]> hehehe https://www.google.co.nz/intl/en/landing/nose/
[7:32] * [Saint] probably just ruined April 1st for a few people
[7:32] <[Saint]> ...meh
[7:33] <timb_us> Google Nose! Oh god, porn spam is going to be soooo gross now.
[7:33] <Triffid_Hunter> timb_us: mine does that too. I've disabled it for the time being
[7:34] <timb_us> Triffid_Hunter: Oddly enough, I had it working yesterday. I reloaded my SD card tonight, updated and firmware and...broke.
[7:34] <timb_us> Works on Arch though.
[7:35] <Triffid_Hunter> timb_us: so some sort of weird incompatibility between latest firmware and latest kernel?
[7:35] <timb_us> It would seem so. Was there new firmware pushed in the last 24 hours?
[7:36] <[Saint]> ask the repo.
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[7:38] <[Saint]> http://www.raspbian.org/RecentChanges for the lazily inclined
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[7:40] <Triffid_Hunter> timb_us: I pulled firmware a couple of days ago, it was broken then
[7:40] <[Saint]> Hmmmm - I wrong'ed. I recall there being a list of repository changes - that I thought resided at that address - but, apparently not.
[7:40] <Triffid_Hunter> at least the audio output has stopped trying to blow up my speakers
[7:41] <timb_us> Mine might have been a few days old.
[7:41] <timb_us> I'll just used a fixed 32 for now.
[7:41] <timb_us> I've got framebuffer_depth=32, but X still seems to be using 16. Is there a way to force that?
[7:44] <timb_us> Oh hmm weird... If I kill lxpanel and restart it by hand, the icon resolution changes. Looks a lot better.
[7:44] <timb_us> Wait no, never mind, it just added different icons on the bar.
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[7:49] <dansan> [Saint]: oh, thank you!
[7:49] * [Saint] wonders what he did
[7:49] <dansan> [Saint]: I totally forgot it was April 1st. I'm not even prepared! OMG! what am I going to do tomorrow?
[7:49] <[Saint]> Ahhhh
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[7:49] <[Saint]> Being in the future occasionally pays off ;)
[7:50] <dansan> I like the smell phone one. Even if they managed to pack that many different chemicals into a small device, it would never fool me. I've discovered that I have a "super-human" sense of smell. Not as powerful as a dog or cat's, but more powerful than is normal for a human.
[7:51] <[Saint]> raspbmc likely annoyed a *whole* lot of people :)
[7:51] <[Saint]> there's a good one on their homepage.
[7:51] <dansan> I didn't know for sure until I asked my ENT about certain scents and he confirmed that humans don't normally smell them
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[7:51] <dansan> ooh, clicking...
[7:51] <dansan> "recent changes"?
[7:52] <[Saint]> http://www.raspbmc.com/2013/04/crack-for-mpeg2-vc1-dts-hardware-decoding/
[7:52] * [Saint] imagines lots of "Wooo - aweso....awwwww..."
[7:53] <dansan> NICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[7:53] <dansan> that's awesome!
[7:53] <[Saint]> I take it you didn't view the source?
[7:53] <dansan> Yeah, I did! :)
[7:54] <[Saint]> Ahhh. :)
[7:54] <dansan> that's what's so awesome! =)\
[7:54] <timb_us> lolol
[7:54] <dansan> You gotta understand. Before being a programmer, and am a prankster.
[7:54] <dansan> err, "I am a prankster" rather
[7:55] <dansan> So I love a good prank! :)
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[7:58] <dansan> Do you remember two years ago (or so) when this American preacher was saying that the end of the world was on March something or another? I wanted to start a charity foundation to "help those who were left behind". That way, when the rapture came and Jesus took all of his followers, the charity would ease the suffering of those who weren't smart enough to accept Jesus as their personal savior. Of course, I would
[7:58] <dansan> carefully word the foundation's charter so that I could interpret myself as one of the victims and simply fund myself w/o comitting fraud. :)
[7:58] <dansan> Sadly, I didn't think of it soon enough
[7:58] <[Saint]> Ohhhh man, you would get *so* slammed for that.
[7:58] <dansan> Yeah, but it would have been SOOOO awesome!
[7:59] <[Saint]> Pretending to be a charitable organization is a pretty serious crime. Getch'a locked up for a good 10 to 15 easy with the wrong judge.
[7:59] <dansan> Maybe even wake up a few "sheeple" into realizing how stupid they were being
[7:59] <dansan> I mean seriously, thousands of people QUIT THEIR JOBS to spend the last days with their families!!!
[8:00] <ParkerR> dansan, Yeah kinda sad
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[8:00] <dansan> [Saint]: oh no, there would be no pretending. I would found a charitible organization and hire an attorney to help me write up all of the legal paperwork
[8:00] <[Saint]> I find it delicious that science has predicted the actual end of the universe.
[8:00] <dansan> That was the plan, I was just too late
[8:00] <[Saint]> The earth will be long gone by then, though.
[8:00] <dansan> hah! which theory, the "big rip"?
[8:01] <[Saint]> Yeah.
[8:01] <dansan> I think that's flawed, but I'm not a physist
[8:01] <dansan> lol! and can't spell one either :)
[8:01] <dansan> *physicist
[8:01] * dansan thanks google
[8:01] <[Saint]> Many seem to think it stacks up. The tl;dr version is that eventually the universe will expand so far it can no longer sustain itself - and whammo.
[8:01] <dansan> Frankly, we don't understand "dark matter" nearly well enough
[8:02] <dansan> I mean, it has to end somehow, but I'm not convinced. People used to think that it would eventually collapse upon its self, but the expansion has been accelerating, etc...
[8:04] <dansan> ParkerR: oh yeah, but I rarely will pass an opportunity to harass one of those "strong christian" types. Not somebody who has strong convictions, mind you, I mean those idiots & ***holes. Every morning, there are these types outside of a women's health clinic (that I presume does abortions) with various signs and every morning, my fiancee flips them off -- just one of the reasons I love her so much :)
[8:04] <Triffid_Hunter> dark matter is a brilliant demonstration of the religion of science- let's tweak the data to fit the theory!
[8:05] <[Saint]> At least with science we're occasionally right ;)
[8:05] <dansan> Triffid_Hunter: yeah, one of the reasons I criticize many hardcore athiests, they try to manipulate science into a religion its self!
[8:05] <dansan> It's sorta like they have an atheism religion! =)
[8:06] <Triffid_Hunter> dansan: definitely.
[8:06] <[Saint]> religion itself is hugely guilty of "tweaking the data".
[8:06] <[Saint]> ...or, chosing to ignore it, or pick and choose.
[8:06] <dansan> but seriously, "dark matter" is a phenomena. We don't actually *know* that there is really such a thing. We only know things *about* its effects.
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[8:06] <Triffid_Hunter> [Saint]: well this is the difference between religion and science.. science tweaks theory to fit data, religion tweaks data to fit theory. ergo, dark matter is a religious view
[8:06] <[Saint]> gay marriage? No! mixed fabric and beard shaving - yeah - why not.
[8:06] <dansan> [Saint]: oh god, don't get me started on that one!!!
[8:07] <dansan> [Saint]: and no dancing or shell fish!
[8:07] <[Saint]> :)
[8:07] <Triffid_Hunter> I think it's just as likely that the gravitational constant isn't as constant as they think it is
[8:07] <dansan> could be
[8:07] <Triffid_Hunter> they're already picking up anomalies in voyager's trajectory last I checked
[8:07] <dansan> or there could be other forces that we don't quite understand
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[8:07] <[Saint]> dansan: yeah - sky wizards.
[8:08] <dansan> OR, maybe the universe is expanding because it ****ing wants to!
[8:08] <[Saint]> careful - depending on who's on, and their current pedantry level, *ing out expletives will earn you a warning/kick/ban
[8:09] * [Saint] wishes he was joking
[8:09] <dansan> maybe it has a consciousness of it's own and it gets a chuckle every time some little human says "God told me to stop gays from getting married" and is distracted from the job of beginning the contraction of the universe, so it's still expanding because of an ADD type of thing
[8:09] <dansan> [Saint]: yoikes!
[8:09] <[Saint]> "self censorship" is prohibited.
[8:09] <dansan> wierd
[8:10] <dansan> I got a warning earlier because I said the name of the language that was used as a joke in freenode's blog entry that was broadcast earlier
[8:10] <dansan> hmm, let me find it :)
[8:11] <dansan> https://blog.freenode.net/2013/03/insert-witty-title-here/
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[8:11] <dansan> I think you'll recognize the programming language :)
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[8:14] <dansan> aww man, it's not running in my bf interpreter
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[8:16] <dansan> eprog? I don't get it :(
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[10:02] <gordonDrogon> morning.
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[10:07] <gordonDrogon> the message at the bottom says: outtolunch.
[10:08] <asaru> www.google.com/landing/nose
[10:08] <asaru> epic.
[10:08] <[Saint]> beatcha to it :)
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[10:08] <gordonDrogon> I smell a wumpus.
[10:08] <asaru> i just learned of this
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[10:09] <asaru> they're quite clever arent they
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[10:15] <gordonDrogon> Indeed.
[10:17] <asaru> now just imagine a world where such a thing could exist
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[10:22] <gordonDrogon> dansan, Hm. I just grabbed the bftc program and I get 'eprog' as the output. odd. I suppose I was expecting 'yellow brick road' or something.
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[10:32] <pagios> hello community
[10:35] <[Saint]> asaru: you can find them all listed here - there was a few here I hadn't found yet.
[10:35] <[Saint]> I had found Google Nose/Decor/Treasure Map and Sail myself
[10:35] <[Saint]> but, I decided to go looking as I knew someone else would've already done so :)
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[10:57] <Gadgetoid> Quiet in here?
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[10:59] <Gadgetoid> I'm just going to leave this??? right??? here??? http://pi.gadgetoid.com/WiringPi-GPIO-Pinout.png
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[11:03] <gordonDrogon> morning...
[11:03] <[Saint]> Wow - now I can have a GPIO pin layout diagram in color to go with the bajillion black and white ones :)
[11:03] <gordonDrogon> this one's colour: http://wiringpi.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/pins.pdf
[11:03] <[Saint]> Are the pink ones girls and the blue ones boys?
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[11:06] <[Saint]> A while ago I bought a pack of 50 plastic overlays for the GPIO header on the Pi - I think they ended up costing about $0.12USD after shipping.
[11:06] <[Saint]> Not bad.
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[11:07] <[Saint]> Quite a few download/print-able versions around too. Come in handy occasionally.
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[11:13] <Gadgetoid> [Saint]: it's for printing out
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[11:13] <Gadgetoid> And it's specifically for wiringPi
[11:14] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: you can use that image on wiringPi.com if it doesn't offend your artistic sensibilities
[11:14] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: It's the WiringPi pinout, and is printable and it fits perfectly. I have it on my Pi :D
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[11:15] <Gadgetoid> Ignoring the fact I forgot to replace my colour ink: http://pi.gadgetoid.com/WiringPi-GPIO-Pinout-Printed.jpg?v=1
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[12:01] <pagios> hello i am trying to install raspbian on my sd card, after sudo dd bs=1m if=~/Downloads/2012-10-28-wheezy-raspbian/2012-12-16-wheezy-raspbian.img of=/dev/rdisk3 i dont see to have my rpi bboting correctly on the sd card, i only see a red light and a flashing light next to ok on the board
[12:02] <gordonDrogon> you nee to check the elinux.org wiki site to get the flashing green led codes.
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[12:04] <linuxstb> pagios: If you put the SD card back in your Mac, do you see anything on it?
[12:04] <pagios> linuxstb: no
[12:04] <pagios> lilalinux: i am on linux
[12:04] <pagios> but i can see it in /dev/sdb
[12:05] <pagios> /dev/sdb1 8192 122879 57344 c W95 FAT32 (LBA)
[12:05] <pagios> /dev/sdb2 122880 3788799 1832960 83 Linux
[12:05] <Gadgetoid> Right, off into the city for some cadbury mini eggs and soldering accessories
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[12:06] <linuxstb> pagios: Ah, so why /dev/rdisk3 ?
[12:07] <pagios> linuxstb: i used /dev/sdb
[12:07] <pagios> that was a paste from an example
[12:08] <pagios> linuxstb: the weird thing when i try to dd it takes like 2 sec to write which is somehow very fast
[12:08] <linuxstb> pagios: We can help you better if you post the actual dd command you used, in case you did something wrong. But given that partition layout, it seems OK.
[12:08] <pagios> i am using an sd card memory slot on my laptop
[12:08] <linuxstb> Ah, then yes, that seems wrong. How big is the img file?
[12:09] <linuxstb> Also, do you eject the device after writing? e.g. "eject /dev/sdb"
[12:09] <linuxstb> It could simply all be cached.
[12:09] <pagios> http://pastie.org/7266723
[12:09] <pagios> yes i sync and i ejected
[12:09] <linuxstb> And the eject command was also instant?
[12:09] <pagios> i didnt eject linuxstb
[12:10] <pagios> only sync
[12:10] <pagios> eject: tried to use `/dev/sdb' as device name but it is no block deviceeject: unable to find or open device for: `/dev/sdb'
[12:11] <linuxstb> OK, then something is wrong. What does "ls -l /dev/sdb" show?
[12:11] <linuxstb> IIUC, sync is related to flushing filesystem buffers, so isn't applicable when you use dd to a device
[12:11] <pagios> ls -l /dev/sdb -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1939865600 Apr 1 13:08 /dev/sdb
[12:11] <linuxstb> OK, then you've copied it to a file called /dev/sdb.
[12:12] <linuxstb> You need to delete that file, then put your SD card back in, and make sure you identify the correct device.
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[12:15] <pagios> dmnesg seems not to show it anymore
[12:15] <pagios> how can i refresh hardware probe
[12:16] <linuxstb> No idea. Reboot? ;)
[12:16] <pagios> brb :)
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[12:51] <drobban> hello guys, Can someone recomend a good tutorial on how to use the GPIO pins on raspi?
[12:51] <drobban> all of them, including the spi i2c and the uart
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[12:53] <Jck_true> drobban: http://learn.adafruit.com/
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[13:03] <drobban> Jck_true: thanks mate
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[13:06] <piers12345> Anybody out there?
[13:06] <jelly1> piers12345: no
[13:07] <piers12345> Ok then
[13:07] <jelly1> piers12345: just ask
[13:08] <seba-> [Saint], i've discovered that it's not physically damaged, if you do a few times of low-level formatting, it goes to normal, but once it not enough, very interesting.
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[13:10] <seba-> [Saint], not exactly normal but, almost normal hm maybe i need to do it even more times
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[13:13] <gordonDrogon> drobban, https://projects.drogon.net/wiringpi/
[13:13] <gordonDrogon> drobban, do you have a project in-mind or just general use?
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[13:18] <drobban> gordonDrogon: general use. Discovered alot of "help" libs out there. But I would rather like to understand it from the beginning then using ex. wiring pi
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[13:19] <drobban> found BCM2835.h that one is almost to much help.
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[13:21] <steve_rox> hmm as its april 1st im thinking we shouldent trust any news articals etc
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[13:22] <drobban> or help ;)
[13:23] <steve_rox> thats a possiblity
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[13:30] <drobban> any one in here used i2cdetect?
[13:30] <drobban> anyone
[13:30] <steve_rox> no idea what that is
[13:30] <drobban> ok
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[13:34] <gordonDrogon> drobban, start with the original then - That was Dom/Gerts code for the Gertboard. Everything stemmed from that. Or, if you want a version written by a programmer (as opposed to a hardware engineer!) then get the sources for wiringPi (my thing) and read through that - ought to be much easier to understand than Gerts code - git clone git://git.drogon.net/wiringPi
[13:35] <gordonDrogon> drobban, I use i2cdetect.
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[13:37] <drobban> gordonDrogon: hum. how about that, help from a pro ;). gordonDrogon I just tested i2cdetect, am I suppose to be able to read anything from the detection result? At the moment it is just all blanks.
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[13:38] <gordonDrogon> drobban, do you have the i2c kernel modules loaded?
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[13:38] <drobban> yes
[13:38] <gordonDrogon> ok - do you have any I2C devices connected?
[13:39] <drobban> gordonDrogon: No. So I suppose the i2cdetect program is for detection of i2c-devices hooked to the port?
[13:39] <dreamreal> yes
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[13:39] <drobban> sorry, for the stupid question.
[13:40] <dreamreal> if you have i2c hooked up, i2cdetect will show you (i.e., "detect") them and display their addresses
[13:40] <drobban> nice.
[13:40] <jonkristian> Running archlinux on the pi I can only get a resolution of 656x416 , can it be set higher?
[13:40] <drobban> I realy love my Pi
[13:40] <gordonDrogon> you need to make sure you use the right I2C bus though - it's 0 on a rev 1 Pi, or 1 on a Rev 2.
[13:40] <dreamreal> BTW, gordonDrogon's wiringpi stuff is *really* nice
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[13:40] <gordonDrogon> dreamreal, thanks.
[13:41] <drobban> gordonDrogon: I suppose it is the rev 2 if I have 512mb of ram?
[13:41] <gordonDrogon> so i2cdetect -y 0 or i2cdetect -y 1 for a rev 1 or rev 2 Pi respectively.
[13:41] <gordonDrogon> drobban, yes,512MB is rev 2, so use i2c bus 1.
[13:42] <dreamreal> drobban: I used wiringpi's low level stuff to do some really fast stuff (bulk reads, etc) - his higher level functions work fine but there's no point in them if you're doing reads of 8 inputs in a row
[13:43] <dreamreal> (or however many you have, I'm reading from mcp23008s, so 8)
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[13:46] <drobban> dreamreal: that sounds good
[13:46] <gordonDrogon> witingPi v2 knows about mcp23008's but I'm busy doing lots of accounts most of today - was hoping to get it released ,but it's the first of the money and I need to get some invoices, accounts, etc. sorted too )-:
[13:47] <dreamreal> gordonDrogon: probably too late (and not entirely relevant) but here's my mcp23008 stuff: https://github.com/jottinger/alcyone
[13:47] <dreamreal> (mcp23008.*)
[13:47] <drobban> :)
[13:48] <drobban> gordonDrogon: any april the first jokes in the install script? :)
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[13:50] <gordonDrogon> drobban, no! (if only I had time :)
[13:50] <dreamreal> I can write one for you! :)
[13:50] <drobban> hehe
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[13:51] <gordonDrogon> dreamreal, what I've done is to extend the 'pins' structure - so if you add in an mcp23008 (etc.) then you specify the new pin base and off you go - so you can tell it you have one at base 100, then you get digitalWrite (100, HIGH), pinMode (100,) ... etc.
[13:52] <dreamreal> gordonDrogon: nice
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[13:53] <drobban> gordonDrogon: Do you have man-pages for the wiringpi?
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[13:56] <gordonDrogon> http://wiringpi.com/reference/
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[13:57] <drobban> gordonDrogon: thank you. You have done a great job with the wiringpi. It is great that there is people willing to help others out!
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[14:00] <chod> gordonDrogon: i am using your wiringpiv2 with gpio -x mcp and mcp23s17setup in c and they appear to have different inital states?
[14:01] * chod ponders this explaintion ?spelling
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[14:07] <gordonDrogon> chod, did you fetch v2.2 ?
[14:08] <chod> ooo no
[14:08] <gordonDrogon> the setup code tries to read the current output latch, so it bases further writes on the latch value - however if you're starting a program from scratch it might be prudent to explicitly set the outputs the way you want them than to rely on the settings from one run to another.
[14:09] <chod> i thought i was
[14:09] <gordonDrogon> the mainchange in the 2.2 is that you can setup multiple mcp23s17's - if you only have 1 then it's not a real issue.
[14:09] <chod> ok
[14:09] <chod> gpio -x mcp23s17:100:0:0 mode 100 out
[14:09] <gordonDrogon> ok
[14:09] <chod> for command line
[14:09] <chod> is there something else i sould do initally ?
[14:09] <chod> for command line
[14:09] <gordonDrogon> not for the gpio command - that's it.
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[14:10] <chod> ok
[14:10] <chod> in c
[14:10] <chod> wiringpisetup()
[14:10] <chod> mcp23s17Setup(base_spi,0,0)
[14:10] <chod> then
[14:11] <chod> pin mode (bass +pin output)
[14:11] <gordonDrogon> that should be fine .
[14:11] <gordonDrogon> (typos excepted!)
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[14:11] <chod> :D of course
[14:12] <chod> if i try to get the exact responce from command line then the same from c
[14:12] <chod> its different
[14:12] <chod> (from cold)
[14:12] <gordonDrogon> Hm.
[14:12] <chod> slightly
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[14:12] <gordonDrogon> I presume you try a digitalWrite() after that?
[14:12] <chod> i think the c stuff does it properly
[14:12] <gordonDrogon> so gpio -x mcp23s17:100:0:0 write 100 1
[14:13] <chod> yes
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[14:14] <chod> in gpio -x can i setup both mcp23s17 banks in one pass ?
[14:14] <chod> atm i am doing a bank at a time
[14:14] <chod> then 2nd chip
[14:14] <chod> both banks
[14:14] <chod> maybe thats it
[14:14] <gordonDrogon> setup should initialise all 16 pins per chip.
[14:15] <chod> the gpio -x command ?
[14:15] <gordonDrogon> yes, that too.
[14:15] <chod> ok
[14:15] <chod> maybe i am confusing it
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[14:16] <gordonDrogon> it's completely stateless between gpio commands - same for runs of your program.
[14:16] <gordonDrogon> so gpio could use pin base of 1000 and your program could use 123 - to refer to the same physical chip.
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[14:17] <gordonDrogon> (I'd not recommend it, but ...)
[14:17] <chod> ok
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[14:17] <chod> can the c code upset the gpio -x stuff
[14:18] <chod> ie dont use both together
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[14:18] <chod> obviously not at the same time
[14:18] <infConnect> Good morning people :)
[14:19] * chod nods
[14:19] <infConnect> May I ask a kernel 3.8 query this early on a bank holiday? :P
[14:19] <chod> dont ask to ask questions
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[14:19] <gordonDrogon> it shouldn't be able to upset it as such.
[14:20] <gordonDrogon> Heh.. just noticed google treasure maps :)
[14:20] <chod> ?
[14:20] <infConnect> Sorry, was attempting a bit of humour??? Basically, I've setup my cross compiler with the broadcom tools from the git repo, pulled down the 3.8-y-temp kernel, and I'm attempting to compile, it compiled the kernel fine but spat the dummy out on the modules complaining about usb_* undefined...
[14:20] <chod> np :D
[14:21] <infConnect> Don't suppose someone has a good .config I may pinch for a baseline?
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[14:37] <gordonDrogon> the current one in /proc/config.gz ?
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[14:38] <chod> erm when i go into wiringpi (my inital git) and do git pull origin it says already uptodate
[14:38] <infConnect> Would that port over cleanly enough from 3.6 to 3.8??? I think I did try it but it was 4.30 in the morning so was probably making mistakes, I'll give that a go now :) Cheers
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[14:41] <gordonDrogon> chod, wiringPi v2 isn't in the GIT yet.
[14:42] <gordonDrogon> my plan is to push it up today if I get enough of my accounts out of the way......
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[14:44] <rpitin> You can do it
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[14:46] <chod> ok nice
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[14:47] <infConnect> Hmmmm, okay I didn't run the menuconfig that time, but ran it through the cmdline, showing me the new options, I wonder if menuconfig didn't honour those properly (or more likely I missed them)
[14:47] <chod> got a url for v2.2 ?
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[14:53] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/wiringPi-2.2.tgz
[14:54] <chod> thanks
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[15:03] <infConnect> Am I correct in assuming the branch from git for the kernel is already pre-patched for the pi (3.8.y-temp)? I've just had something new kick out about the drivers/mmc/host/bcm2708_mci.c code?
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[15:14] <CR_Sean> Morning.
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[15:24] <chod> nod all
[15:24] <chod> and c ppl about
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[15:26] <chod> rather than placing my code in wiringpi examples how do i use my code with wiring pi
[15:26] <dreamreal> chod: what?
[15:26] <dreamreal> you'd just link in wiringPi, is all
[15:26] <dreamreal> just like the examples show
[15:27] <chod> it does not matter its in some odd folder?
[15:27] <dreamreal> nope
[15:27] * chod looks
[15:27] <dreamreal> gcc -o yourprog yourprog.c -lwiringPi
[15:27] <chod> thasnk
[15:27] <chod> thanks
[15:27] <dreamreal> of course, this assumes you've installed wiringPi properly
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[15:27] <chod> not 'make myprog'
[15:27] <gordonDrogon> you can use Makefiles if you're up to iy.
[15:27] <dreamreal> so if you've not done that, do that
[15:28] * chod is not upto 'it'
[15:28] <gordonDrogon> the Makefile in the gpio program is probably a good one to use as a model.
[15:28] <dreamreal> chod: in your makefile, just include the linker flag to include wiringPi
[15:28] <gordonDrogon> so the gpio program is just another program the uses wiringPi...
[15:28] <dreamreal> yep, probably a good sample to use
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[15:29] <dreamreal> I think the guy who wrote wiringPi wrote that program too
[15:29] <gordonDrogon> you can ignore the bits about make install though.
[15:29] <gordonDrogon> wrote the gpio program?
[15:29] <dreamreal> yeah, I think the author of wiringpi wrote that
[15:29] <gordonDrogon> Yes, I did.
[15:29] * dreamreal snickers
[15:29] * chod smiles
[15:30] <mervaka> do your homework guys :)
[15:30] <dreamreal> Actually, i need to steal part of gpio for my app - it's GPL, too, right?
[15:31] <dreamreal> (I need to be able to do "gpio load i2c" while avoiding external exec)
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[15:31] <infConnect> Damn it, this 3.8 kernel is a bugger to get right???
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[15:33] <gordonDrogon> lgplv3
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[15:33] <gordonDrogon> dreamreal, you can call that using system() in your program...
[15:34] <chod> will 2.2 show v2.2 in gpio -v
[15:34] <dreamreal> gordonDrogon: True enough, I suppose
[15:34] <gordonDrogon> although technically it's best to use not system() to call setuid programs, however it works.
[15:34] <gordonDrogon> chod, not yet - just 2.0 for now - when I release it, i will actually be 2.1 ..
[15:34] <chod> :D
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[15:36] <dreamreal> gordonDrogon: I think it's legal to include LGPL code in a GPL program, but I'll check
[15:37] <home> hi I am having trouble running motion on RPI
[15:37] <home> I keep getting egfaults
[15:38] <mervaka> it is easter after all..
[15:39] <gordonDrogon> dreamreal, should be ok.
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[15:41] <home> anyone want to help me debug?
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[15:43] <drobban> gordonDrogon: im reading in the manual that the wiringPiSPI.h to work, it needs gpio utility to load kernel drivers.
[15:43] <drobban> what other drivers then spi_bcm2708 will it load?
[15:44] <drobban> btw, I do have spidev loaded as well
[15:45] <gordonDrogon> drobban, the gpio command is just a handy way to load the modules.
[15:45] <gordonDrogon> you can load them other ways, but you need both the 2708 and the spidev to work.
[15:46] <gordonDrogon> gpio load spi does that, and it changes the ownership of the /dev/ entries to that of the calling user, so you can then use the SPI without needing sudo, etc.
[15:46] <gordonDrogon> same for I2C.
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[15:47] <drobban> okey. The Pi is new area for me and wasnt sure what the gpio program wanted to do.
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[15:50] <home> anyone here ran a webcam through their RPI
[15:50] <home> I am trying to get motion to run
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[15:55] <drobban> home: http://www.ideasonboard.org/uvc/ .. been a while since I used a webcam in Unix. But perhaps this can help you
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[15:56] <dwarder> can anyone help me with samba?
[15:56] <dwarder> using: sudo smbpasswd -a pi
[15:56] <dwarder> i've added a user
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[15:56] <dwarder> and this is my config file
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[15:57] <drobban> dwarder: what do you want to do?
[15:57] <drobban> do you want to share on your linux machine, or do you want to access windows smb share
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[15:58] <dwarder> http://pastebin.com/0aAtJELD
[15:58] <dwarder> drobban: i want to access rpi using windows 7
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[15:59] <dwarder> and it asks for login but password and login always wrong no matter what
[15:59] <gordonDrogon> drobban, the gpio program is really just a general purpose program to do gpio "stuff".
[15:59] <drobban> sounds like a classic windows problem.
[15:59] <dwarder> \\myRpiIpAddress\usb
[16:00] <dwarder> this is how i try to access it
[16:00] <gordonDrogon> it started life as a test pogram for the wiringPi library, but I expanded it, etc.
[16:00] <drobban> dwarder: should work
[16:00] <drobban> dwarder: when windows ask for login. type ip\login_name
[16:00] <drobban> as username
[16:00] <dwarder> drobban: it just asks for login again and agian
[16:00] <dwarder> again*
[16:01] <drobban> replace ip with ip and login_name with username
[16:01] <dwarder> drobban: tried this
[16:01] <drobban> okey
[16:02] <drobban> dwarder: It is realy hard to help you with samba conf over irc without physical access to the computers.
[16:02] <drobban> but. this tutorial seems to do the trick http://www.jeremymorgan.com/tutorials/raspberry-pi/how-to-raspberry-pi-file-server/
[16:02] <drobban> jump to the chapter Share the drive on your network
[16:02] <home> uhm
[16:03] <drobban> dwarder: I cant remember that i had to add a special samba password.
[16:03] <drobban> or samba users.
[16:04] <drobban> are you sure that you arent able to use the ordinary username and password
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[16:04] <drobban> or get mac and install afp-support ;)
[16:05] <home> uhm
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[16:09] <drobban> dwarder: was that tutorial to any help?
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[16:12] <dwarder> drobban: no
[16:12] <dwarder> drobban: still the same
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[16:19] <infConnect> Has anyone here successfully got 3.8 to compile? Or is it just too beta at the mo?
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[16:27] <chod> has some one a 'fully' -v -v -v commented make file ?
[16:28] * chod has lived in .py and BASIC land far too long
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[16:45] <home> Hey
[16:46] <home> can someone help moi run motion XD and not have it segfault?
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[16:47] <gordonDrogon> chod, My BASIC supports the Pi's GPIO :)
[16:48] <chod> :d
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[16:49] <chod> been using BBC BASIC v5 for too long
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[16:49] <chod> messing with a basic makefile to understand what it needs
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[16:51] <gordonDrogon> RTB is sort of bbc basic like - it was modeled on Apple & BBC Basics and some stuff that I wanted myself.
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[16:52] <chod> for loonix i guess?
[16:52] <ReggieUK> if it's based on bbc basic, it must be awesome
[16:52] <gordonDrogon> I'd say inspired by...
[16:53] <chod> can it do assembler inline ;-)
[16:53] <gordonDrogon> I removed all the old horrible stuff that was the result of trying to cram it into 16KB.
[16:53] <gordonDrogon> chod, it runs under any processor that Linux supports, so sadly no...
[16:54] <chod> :D i thought as much
[16:54] <gordonDrogon> ReggieUK, so to draw a triangle, you use the triangle() function, not plot 85, .... (or whatever
[16:54] <gordonDrogon> example program: http://unicorn.drogon.net/snake.rtb
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[17:02] <chod> erm i am getting missing seperator from my makefile
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[17:06] <chod> got it, bloody spaces instead of a tab
[17:07] * chod is too used to BASIC
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[17:10] <gordonDrogon> yes, Makefiles like TABs.
[17:14] * CR_Sean writes "TAB" on chod's spacebar, then remaps it to key a TAB instead of a space.
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[17:14] <CR_Sean> There... problem solved.
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[17:16] <nid0> so, as an area thats a total unknown for me at the moment, whats the current consensus on the best distro to run xbmc on a pi?
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[17:16] <bact> nid0: raspbian
[17:19] <CR_Sean> OpenELEC.
[17:19] <DeliriumTremens> raspbmc
[17:19] <biberao> hi
[17:20] <CR_Sean> bact: raspbian isn't even an xbmc distribution...
[17:20] <nid0> so all we need now is someone to say xbian
[17:20] <biberao> entier space?
[17:20] <nid0> and all 4 possible choices will have been given as the best
[17:20] <biberao> oh hes not on
[17:20] <bact> CR_Sean: huh, why does he need it preinstalled?
[17:20] <biberao> how do i install fusion to raspbmc?
[17:20] <DeliriumTremens> nid0: use plex
[17:20] <bact> CR_Sean: DeliriumTremens raspbmc IS raspbian
[17:20] <CR_Sean> If you are putting together an XBMC rig, why WOULDN'T you use a prerolled distro?
[17:21] <bact> Because some people like to learn
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[17:21] <nid0> CR_Sean: who knows, there might be benefits to just doing it myself, hence hoping people who've actually plugged screens into their pis, ever, might have an opinion :)
[17:22] <CR_Sean> nid0: if you JUST want xbmc, my personal preference is for OpenELEC. It "just works", and is pretty easy to install.
[17:22] <bact> raspbmc has better performance than openelec
[17:22] <CR_Sean> But, again, that is My Personal Opinion.
[17:22] <bact> and you have the debian backbone incase you want to branch out
[17:22] <biberao> please CR_Sean give me a hand
[17:22] <biberao> :p
[17:23] <nid0> CR_Sean: yeah for this particular use-case I just want the best performing dlna player/renderer with rtl8188 support
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[17:23] <bact> nid0: wifi would probably be much easier to get working on raspmbc
[17:24] <sraue> bact... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYfU7v_FO6U&feature=youtu.be&a
[17:24] <DeliriumTremens> does anyone have an opinion on Plex on the Pi?
[17:24] <bact> it's too new
[17:25] <sraue> bact, OpenELEC is NOT overclocked per default
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[17:25] <CR_Sean> I've got OpenELEC running, not overclocked, and i don't see any performace issues.
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[17:33] <buzzsaw> Well, initial tests this weekend were fine with the rPi. I used the AWUS036H off the onboard USB with no problems.
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[17:34] <buzzsaw> The device went nicley into monitor mode. However... I have to work on my OS a bit :-) Build a faulty buils :-s got kernel panic on boot...
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[17:34] <buzzsaw> once thats done time to move onto adding GPS ;-)
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[18:18] <home> seg faults
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[18:30] <fr0g911> hey all
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[18:32] * Gadgetoid sees message notifications, scrolls up to find them all about WiringPi??? yay! but nobody likes me!
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[18:40] <gordonDrogon> ?
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[18:43] <Gadgetoid> Haha gordonDrogon, just complaining that all the notifications are of WiringPi and not people talking to lovely me :D
[18:43] <Gadgetoid> But that's not a bad thing, people discussing WiringPi is good
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[18:43] <Gadgetoid> I'm pushing an update to WIringPiV2-Python to include the LCD driver
[18:43] <Gadgetoid> I need a character LCD! will have to read up on which ones it supports
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[18:50] <gordonDrogon> all of them.
[18:50] <gordonDrogon> was going to hook one up today to a 23017 but I've been busy doing boring old accounts. so much for a bank holdiay.
[18:50] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Looks that way!
[18:51] <Gadgetoid> http://www.hobbytronics.co.uk/lcd-16-4-backlight-blue shiny!
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[18:51] <Gadgetoid> The Nokia displays should be trivial to support, too
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[18:53] <Gadgetoid> And an ST7565 driver would be nice, too
[18:53] <Gadgetoid> Maybe I should write one!
[18:53] <gordonDrogon> yea, that's generic.
[18:54] <Gadgetoid> I have it up and running on my Arduino, trivial to nick the code, bwahahahaha
[18:54] <Gadgetoid> Always been dissuaded from driving it directly from the Pi, due to the number of pins it needs
[18:55] <Gadgetoid> Although if memory serves me, I wrote a driver for the Nokia LCDs in Ruby, and it was hilariously slow
[18:55] <gordonDrogon> I was going to emulate one of these: http://shop.pimoroni.com/collections/kits/products/adafruit-rgb-16x2-lcd-keypad-kit-for-raspberry-pi#286892044
[18:55] <Gadgetoid> Ooooo. that's niceee!
[18:55] <gordonDrogon> you have seen: https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/wiringpi/lcd-library/ ?
[18:56] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Yes, been reading through it
[18:56] <Gadgetoid> The two I have are graphic LCDs though, not character LCDs
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[18:56] <Gadgetoid> They rely on IO heavy shiftOut operations and aren't remotely compatible with that driver, unless I'm very much mistaken
[18:57] <Gadgetoid> IE: I believe they are serial LCDs, despite having a metric ton of IO lines
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[18:57] <gordonDrogon> I have a graphic one too - actually, I have 2 which I've not hooked up yet.
[18:57] <gordonDrogon> one is 128x128 the other is 128x64 IIRC.
[18:57] <Gadgetoid> I paid a small fortune for my RGB backlit one, it's lovely, but neglected
[18:57] <gordonDrogon> they are 8-bit interfaces I think.
[18:58] <gordonDrogon> is your RGB backlit one one of thise adafruit ones with the mcp23-17 on-board?
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[19:00] <Gadgetoid> Don't believe it's got an mcp on board, I could be mistaken.. it's: http://www.hobbytronics.co.uk/st7565-128x64-graphics-lcd-rgb
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[19:00] <Gadgetoid> It's even power/logic compatible directly with the Pi
[19:01] <gordonDrogon> ah right. different.
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[19:04] <gordonDrogon> so both I have are 12864 - which suggests 128 x 64 - but the aspect ratios are different.
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[19:04] <gordonDrogon> can't find the datasheets on them ):
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[19:05] <gordonDrogon> a-ha: ADM12864H
[19:06] <gordonDrogon> I suspect it's a different chips from yours.
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[19:06] <zleap> gordonDrogon, hi, you not in #dclug anymore ?
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[19:09] <gordonDrogon> zleap, hi.
[19:09] <gordonDrogon> zleap, will pm.
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[19:10] <chod> CR_Sean: read scroll back, thanks
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[19:18] <home> Okay, I need some help here
[19:18] <home> on getting video streaming via USB going
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[19:19] <home> so far I have made it work with a web cam, and motion streams it fine
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[19:20] <home> but another camera that also works on my laptop, is not working on the RPI
[19:20] <home> even though /dev/video0 shows up
[19:20] <home> what ives?
[19:20] <home> gives*
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[19:29] <gordonDrogon> who knows.
[19:29] <gordonDrogon> is your laptop also Debian?
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[19:32] <zastaph> once you put all items in your basket for your Pi you wonder what happened to the $35 it was supposed to cost :p
[19:32] <ring0> true words
[19:33] <zleap> zastaph, maybe but a lot of people have the bits anywaY
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[19:34] <JohannesG> haha, i had that experience
[19:34] <JohannesG> plus, ordered it overseas (well, everything is overseas when you live in Iceland)
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[19:34] <JohannesG> ended up being a bit more expensive than I expected, haha. but it was worth it of course
[19:35] <zleap> yeah
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[19:35] <ring0> so far i only bought sdcard, hdmi-cable and case as extra
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[19:35] <zleap> ok
[19:35] <zleap> i can get hdmi cable at ?land or the 99p store
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[19:36] <ring0> let's see what's next. piface?
[19:37] <zastaph> what you want to control with piface
[19:37] <home> gordonDrogon: Yes it is
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[19:37] <home> gordonDrogon: both the webcams run fine on my laptop
[19:37] <wooy> Hi, I need to help with choosing soldering pencil. There are ones with 7W to 80W, different max temperatures and different tips. No idea which to choose. thx
[19:37] <home> and cheese detects them both
[19:37] <home> on the RPI however, only one of the webcam works
[19:37] * ShadowJK recommends a station with settable temperature
[19:38] <home> even though /dev/video0 gets detected
[19:39] <ShadowJK> But most of that is that I suck at soldering, I never manage to do anything sensible with the non-thermostat cheapies
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[19:41] <pksato> wooy: 30W or 40W are ideal for genereal electronics. with fine tip.
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[19:42] <wooy> ShadowJK: I am yet about to find out if I suck in soldering.
[19:42] <zleap> ShadowJK, the more you solder the better you get, just practice more
[19:42] <pksato> or, if have a money. Soldering Station.
[19:42] <ShadowJK> I have both find needle tip and a normal tip, I usually use the normal one. it has greater thermal mass
[19:42] <wooy> pksato: thx sounds like happy medium
[19:43] <home> Uhm yeah
[19:43] <pksato> and, a hot air SMT (re)work station.
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[19:43] <home> going to test motion on my laptop with all the web cams
[19:43] <home> too see if that specific cam is causing issues
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[19:44] <pksato> Soldering tweezers? Its is new for me.
[19:45] <ring0> the major distributions for the rpi are raspbian and openelec, correct?
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[19:48] <kaste> ring0: arch maybe?
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[19:49] <ring0> kaste, oh, forgot about arch, thanks
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[19:50] <home> Okay
[19:50] <home> it works perfectly fine on my latop
[19:50] <home> laptop*
[19:51] <home> what gives?
[19:53] <pksato> home: USB on RPi are issues on some situations, like use of webcam.
[19:53] <home> well, yeah
[19:53] <home> but ..hmm
[19:53] <home> one usb cam worked fine
[19:53] <home> both work fine on lappy
[19:53] <home> but only 1 works fine on RPI :/
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[19:54] <pksato> and, some webcam have a 'crap' uvc implementation.
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[20:05] <pagios> hello
[20:05] <pagios> any release dates for the RPi with built in cam?
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[20:07] <ShiftPlusOne> There are no plans for that
[20:07] <ShiftPlusOne> Just a camera module you can buy seperately, not built-in.
[20:07] <ShiftPlusOne> And no date on that yet.
[20:07] <pagios> which camera module?
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[20:08] <ShiftPlusOne> The one they have been working, I don't know if there's a name for it.
[20:08] <pagios> any pic?
[20:08] <ShiftPlusOne> Yeah, search their blog, they post stuff about it once in a while
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[20:11] <home> well still not luck
[20:11] <home> whyyyy
[20:11] <home> it works on my laptop perfectly :/
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[20:12] <pagios> home what works on your laptop perfectly?
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[20:13] <chupacabra> did you try a smaller size on the pic. Pi wont go full size
[20:14] <home> pagios: 2 cameras running of motion
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[20:14] <chupacabra> no way will that work with webcams
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[20:15] <pagios> home: did you manage to stream video from your usb webcam out of the RPi?
[20:15] <home> Yes
[20:15] <home> but I have another camera that isn't working
[20:15] <home> even though it gets detected.
[20:16] <chupacabra> does it work as the only one?
[20:16] <home> both work on my laptop, but only one works on the RPI
[20:17] <chupacabra> one probably not good enough.
[20:17] <pagios> home: which webcam works for you?
[20:17] <chupacabra> so many different ones
[20:17] <pagios> is it better than http://bambuser.com/v/3137396 ?
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[20:17] <pagios> i am planning on buying a webcam so would be good if you can shre what works for you home
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[20:18] <home> well :/
[20:19] <zleap> gordonDrogon, i think tombrough is trying to register with freenode so he can join #raspberrypi
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[20:20] <home> don't get Ltd SPCA1527A/SPCA1528 SD card camera
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[20:25] <pagios> home
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[20:25] <home> yes
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[20:41] <drobban> someone in here with a eagle cad project for a nice raspberrypi breakout board for the GPIO headers?
[20:42] <drobban> would save me alot of time =D
[20:42] <drobban> a lot*
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[20:47] <pksato> drobban: like it? http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/853/rpigpiolcd01.jpg/
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[20:49] <drobban> pksato: it looked realy great. Are you using diodes to stop voltage going the wrong direction?
[20:50] <pksato> drobban: no, to prevent overvoltage. >3V3
[20:51] <drobban> aa, I see. Are they called zenner diodes?
[20:51] <pksato> and, of corse, polarity inversion. Yes, zenner diodes.
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[20:52] <drobban> humm.. have to check if have some zenner's laying around =D
[20:52] <drobban> I think so. pksato have you considered optoisolators
[20:52] <drobban> ?
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[20:52] <pksato> I dont have last revision of this project here. Its is on my home computer.
[20:53] <home> :/
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[20:53] <drobban> pksato: have you made the cad in eagle?
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[20:54] <pksato> drobban: yes.
[20:57] <drobban> pksato: I sent you a private message
[20:57] <pksato> Its is not lastest version of board, http://enigma.nobel.com.br/tmp/rpi_gpio_ext_proto.zip
[20:58] <pksato> I need time to finish this project, and public realise.
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[21:01] <drobban> pksato: downloaded. Looks great.
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[21:03] <pksato> Its board is to RPi rev1
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[21:04] <pksato> to rev2, need some checking the of wiring.
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[21:09] <drobban> pksato: thank you for sharing :)
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[21:13] <clever> ShiftPlusOne: you on?
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[21:27] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: any ideas? https://github.com/WiringPi/WiringPi-Python/issues/14
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[21:33] <drobban> Gadgetoid: where did he find the BCM GPIO named GPIO 5?
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[21:34] <drobban> gpio export 5 out <--- he didnt use -g arg
[21:35] <gordonDrogon> the exports commands always use bcm_gpio numbering.
[21:35] <gordonDrogon> it's in the man page...
[21:36] <gordonDrogon> if reason being that the /sys/class/gpio interface must use the bcm_gpio scheme, so there's no need to explicitly use -g on the command-line.
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[21:37] <gordonDrogon> I left a comment.
[21:39] <drobban> I didnt understand his question nor the answer. Was the problem that he believed that wiringPi numbers would be translated into BCM names?
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[21:42] <gordonDrogon> no - that he didn't use -g and expected something else
[21:42] <gordonDrogon> he thought that gpio export 5 would export wiringPi pin 5 (ie. bcm_gpio pin 24)
[21:43] <gordonDrogon> when it actually exported bcm_gpio 5 - which is not a pin you can get to.
[21:43] <drobban> aa. okey.
[21:43] <gordonDrogon> He didn't read the fine manual page...
[21:43] <drobban> man man
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[21:44] <CR_Sean> You actually expect people to read man pages?
[21:44] <CR_Sean> Perhaps i've been in IT too long, but, i never expect users to read documentation. :p
[21:45] <drobban> gordonDrogon: tried to find man-pages for the wiringPi functions. That is something that should be there. Is there anyone working on that?
[21:45] * buzzsaw reads man pages
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[21:50] <gordonDrogon> drobban, just web page for now.
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[21:50] <gordonDrogon> new: http://wiringpi.com/reference/ old: https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/wiringpi/
[21:51] <gordonDrogon> I'd like to do man pages for all the functions. I just need to lock myself away for a day or 2 and do it.
[21:51] <drobban> gordonDrogon: If someone finds some spare time and want to help in some way. How do people get involved?
[21:51] <felipealmeida> Hello, does anybody knows why my glVertexAttribPointer with GL_INT fails with GL_INVALID_ENUM ?
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[21:52] <gordonDrogon> it is a personal project, but I have accepted bits & pieces from people who've found bugs, etc. helping to test it would be useful.
[21:53] <gordonDrogon> and if you want to write the man pages ;-)
[21:53] <gordonDrogon> for wiringPi v2 more extensions for new bits of analog/digital expansion chips too.
[21:53] <gordonDrogon> I don't have every gpio expander!
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[21:54] <drobban> :)
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[21:57] <drobban> gordonDrogon: Let say, if I write a man-page, do I send it to projects@drogon.net?
[21:57] <gordonDrogon> sure.
[21:57] <gordonDrogon> tv time now - laters!
[21:57] <drobban> have good time
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[22:38] <Ben-> Hi!
[22:38] * CR_Sean hides
[22:39] <Ben-> I didn't have my Raspberry Pi (with raspbmc installed) in use for 1-2 Weeks. I turned in on today and it updated. Now the rpi reboots frequently
[22:39] <Ben-> I have no idea why, everything worked well 1-2 weeks before
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[22:48] <LambdaDusk> hmmm throw the pi into the snow for cooling - pro or contra
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[22:49] <Draylor> electronics & water, always smart
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[22:51] <LambdaDusk> happy white easter
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[22:52] <[Saint]> Racist.
[22:52] <[Saint]> :P
[22:54] <ChampS666> happy black easter
[22:54] <LambdaDusk> sorry I am german
[22:54] <ChampS666> it is night in saxony so it's black easter!
[22:55] <sixseven> Took a punt on 1GHz overclock on one of my Pi's
[22:55] <LambdaDusk> well I am afraid my super-overclocked pi will melt from compiling something
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[22:55] <sixseven> Thank heavens for backups
[22:55] * [Saint] perks his ears up.
[22:56] <[Saint]> LambdaDusk: what are you at?
[22:56] <[Saint]> I'm popping Socs at 1350MHz.
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[22:56] <LambdaDusk> uh 900 Mhz
[22:56] <LambdaDusk> um
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[22:56] <[Saint]> Hehehe
[22:56] <[Saint]> Ok, so...not so "super" then :)
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[22:57] <LambdaDusk> i don
[22:57] <LambdaDusk> 't dare to go higher
[22:57] <LambdaDusk> there's warnings all over
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[22:57] <[Saint]> I can keep 1200MHZ stable with sufficient cooling, I can occasionally get stable bursts of 1300~1350MHz, but it is rare.
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[22:58] <LambdaDusk> what is sufficient cooling? snow?
[22:58] <[Saint]> 1200+ is definitely a high-danger area.
[22:59] <[Saint]> A large-ish heat-piped aluminium finned cooler and 2X 40mm fans.
[22:59] <LambdaDusk> you surely need more overvolt for it, right?
[22:59] <[Saint]> Oddly, no. 6 seems to suffice.
[23:00] * [Saint] doesn't advise doing this - he only does it for "science"
[23:00] <LambdaDusk> I love my pi... I have no real use for it but it's so cute and I don't want it to be hurt
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[23:01] <[Saint]> I have a few, and they're cheap enough, and the delivery turnover short enough, that I care not.
[23:01] <LambdaDusk> :(
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[23:01] <LambdaDusk> you have no heart
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[23:02] <LambdaDusk> you think 1000mHz is not overdoing it?
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[23:03] <LambdaDusk> SNES and VBA are very choppy from time to time
[23:03] <Gadgetoid> Clue; if you want it to work in WiringPi, send it to Gordon :D
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[23:04] <Gadgetoid> Don't even enclose a note, just post it and let natural curiosity play out its course
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[23:09] <LambdaDusk> okay another question: Clean "sudo shutdown" every time or just pull the power cord?
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[23:09] <Gadgetoid> LambdaDusk: I've done both with no ill effect??? yet
[23:09] <pksato> LambdaDusk: clean shutdown.
[23:10] <Gadgetoid> And I've???err??? "accidentally" shutdown my Pi more than once
[23:10] <pksato> pull the power cord can corrupt ext4 FS on SDcard.
[23:11] <[Saint]> LambdaDusk: at the*very* least, attaempt to sync before pulling the plug.
[23:11] <[Saint]> but that's not going to be a great guarantee that nothing is writing to disc when you do so.
[23:11] <chithead> some distros like openwrt default to configurations that have no problem with just getting the plug pulled
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[23:11] <pksato> but, contradictory, ext4 is fault tolerant.
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[23:11] <[Saint]> so, yeah, safe shutdown - always preferable if you like having an intact filesystem.
[23:12] <pagios> hello, anyone wanst to share some success stories with streaming from a usb attached webcam into a streaming server?
[23:12] <[Saint]> chithead: isn't that solely because it runs largely RO?
[23:13] <Gadgetoid> Hmm, strikes me that any operating system that has a major issue with a sudden loss of power is inherently flawed
[23:13] <chithead> [Saint]: the main filesystem is read-only, but it uses a writable overlayfs
[23:13] <chithead> openwrt devices are typically shutdown by just pulling the plug
[23:13] <[Saint]> Gadgetoid: ...huh?!?
[23:14] <mgottschlag> I thought the problems with sd corruption in case of power loss were mostly because the SD card itself didn't handle the case of sudden power loss
[23:14] <mgottschlag> and could be in the middle of an erase operation
[23:14] <[Saint]> There's no way to guard against corruption if you can't finish writing to the disk.
[23:14] <mgottschlag> OpenWRT certainly doesn't have that problem
[23:14] <[Saint]> there's no way to finish writing without power.
[23:14] <Gadgetoid> You don't necessarily need to prevent corruption, just cope with it gracefully
[23:14] <mgottschlag> [Saint]: sure there is, logging or journalling file systems should handle that just great
[23:15] <Gadgetoid> All computers and operating systems are inherently badly designed anyway, but we're stuck with our failures
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[23:15] <[Saint]> mgottschlag: assuming the journalling is intact
[23:16] <chithead> the way to guard against filesystem corruption on power loss is called write barriers
[23:16] <mgottschlag> and a journalling file system usually is built in a way that the journal is guaranteed to be intact, under 1-2 basic assumptions
[23:16] <mgottschlag> which are always true for rotating disks, and should also be true for good flash controllers
[23:17] <mgottschlag> like, block writes always happen completely, or not at all
[23:17] <mgottschlag> and, the disk must not reorder writes
[23:17] <pksato> external battery, like it, can be used as UPS? http://dx.com/p/universal-portable-2600mah-power-bank-for-ipad-iphone-ipod-mp3-mp4-more-black-150528
[23:17] <[Saint]> Yes.
[23:18] <[Saint]> Anything that supplies a stable 5V rail at 1A+
[23:18] <[Saint]> even a string of lemons, or beer, if it takes your fancy.
[23:18] * [Saint] has seen two beer-powered pi now.
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[23:19] <[Saint]> (it takes a LOT of beer)
[23:19] <[Saint]> {and even more lemons)
[23:19] <pagios> hello, anyone wantt to share some success stories with streaming from a usb attached webcam into a streaming server?
[23:20] * Gadgetoid forks WiringPi2-Python to WiringPi
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[23:20] <pksato> pagios: yes, some guys here have rpi as webcam server.
[23:20] <Gadgetoid> I have a ridiculous UPS in the office which I simply haven't used because it only has kettle lead connectors
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[23:21] <pagios> pksato: i wonder what is the quality that can be reached
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[23:22] <pksato> pagios: 640x480 mjpeg. or h264 if use GPU to encode.
[23:22] <pagios> pksato: i want to achieve 320x240 with low quality and good motion no frames lost
[23:22] <pagios> 10fps?
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[23:23] <[Saint]> good motion no frame loss and 10fps contradict each other.
[23:23] <pksato> fps depend of webcam and ligth conditions.
[23:23] <[Saint]> you'll want at least 22fps if you want the framerate to be undetectable by the eye.
[23:23] <pagios> can something like this be achieved with rpi? http://bambuser.com/v/3137396
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[23:28] <Caribou|> hello
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[23:30] * [Saint] claims Picasa is using google emotion to test-drive facial recognition technology.
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[23:30] <[Saint]> I just tried it out on a few albums, it is totally aware of when I use a picture of my cat(s), and uses an appropriate cat-themed emoticon.
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[23:38] <[Saint]> Picasa is doing this ( http://i.imgur.com/uiFCkpG.png ) to all my cat pictures with their "emotions" feature. :)
[23:38] <[Saint]> They seem to have some cat-dtecting smarts.
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[23:51] * Gadgetoid makes a mental note to test WiringPi interrupts in Python
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[23:56] * [Saint] accuses Gadgetoid of having an IRC channel for a brain
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[23:57] * Gadgetoid is apologising profusely in GitHub issues for not maintaining WiringPi-Python for 7 months.
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[23:57] <Gadgetoid> Unfortunately life had other plans for me
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[23:57] <jkbbwr> Does the arch build audo dhcp and ssh on boot?
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[23:58] <gordonDrogon> :)
[23:58] <gordonDrogon> life does somewhat take over.
[23:58] <jkbbwr> gordonDrogon: take over what? :) We are deploying this product in 15 days I gotta fix the client
[23:59] <gordonDrogon> jkbbwr, best use Raspbian then ;-)
[23:59] <jkbbwr> I wish, but raspbian has a kernel bug in it :(
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[23:59] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: That it does. That it does.
[23:59] <gordonDrogon> odd. I'd be asking the question about what the Arch people have done to the kernel that removes the bug..
[23:59] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Maintaining an open-source library is a thankless task indeed

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