#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2013-04-02

Timestamps are in GMT/BST.

[0:00] <gordonDrogon> and why they've not posted it back to the foundation...
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[0:00] <jkbbwr> gordonDrogon: I don't know if the arch folks have removed the bug, but its worth a try to see
[0:00] <gordonDrogon> which bug is giving you issues?
[0:00] <jkbbwr> 30-50% loss of keyboard input from HID devices
[0:01] <jkbbwr> its kinda a show stopper
[0:01] <gordonDrogon> that sounds pretty serious. only ever used a simple keyboard & mouse on the Pi myself though.
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[0:01] <gordonDrogon> and arduino's.
[0:01] <jkbbwr> gordonDrogon: we are using a HID magnetic swipe card.
[0:01] <gordonDrogon> don't they just pretend to be keyboards?
[0:02] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Nothing in particular, just the disheartening but to be expected 3-4 month old comments saying people are frustrated with the lack of maintenance on the library and defecting to RPi.GPIO and Quick2Wire
[0:02] <jkbbwr> gordonDrogon: they do, but the rpi drops traffic
[0:02] <jkbbwr> gordonDrogon: any other machine the HID device works 100% fine
[0:02] <jkbbwr> on the rpi it goes wrong
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[0:03] <gordonDrogon> good luck testing arch then...
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[0:03] <jkbbwr> gordonDrogon: hm.
[0:04] <gordonDrogon> I do get a bit "woa" when I see people complaining that some software hasn't been maintained for some time. There was someone on the local LUG complaining about some photo gallery s/w that hadn't been updated for some years... maybe because it "just works" ...
[0:04] <gordonDrogon> but some people seem to like chasing the latest & greatest, bleeding edge and so on ...
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[0:04] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: True, that, and some people don't really understand how much work is involved!
[0:04] <gordonDrogon> jkbbwr, check the kernel versions though - would be intersting if they did have some newer patches in the Arch one...
[0:05] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, especially when you're doing it in your own time - I've had some relatively abuse emails about wiringPi myself...
[0:05] <Gadgetoid> I spent days and days talking with Lance about how best to structure the GitHub repo??? and that didn't even involve any programming!
[0:06] <Gadgetoid> Abusive? Jees!
[0:06] <jkbbwr> gordonDrogon: there has been a recent patch but its not merged into raspberry update
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[0:06] <gordonDrogon> yea... quite demanding one or 2 too.
[0:06] <buzzsaw> lol you should tell them: Sit down, Shut Up, Wait for it or do it yourself...
[0:07] <gordonDrogon> buzzsaw, it's tricky - I want to help, but at the same time, some people are somewhat beyond help I feel..
[0:07] <jkbbwr> Ahah
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[0:07] <[vali]> Hi
[0:08] * sixseven is now known as tonyhughes
[0:08] <tonyhughes> Hi vali
[0:08] <buzzsaw> I had someone tell me. "Your paid to take care of my problems." Crafty use of words had her confused after I told her how dumb and bothersome she was...
[0:08] <buzzsaw> but... thats why I dont take outside support jobs...
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[0:09] <buzzsaw> Perhaps just a simple write up that talks about how you do this in your own free time and dont get paid for it. Talk a bit about the "sacrafices" you make in a humble sort of a way :-)
[0:09] <buzzsaw> that could guilt trip them enough to back off.
[0:10] <tonyhughes> buzzsaw people who know that stuff already know, and people who dont wont get it
[0:10] <tonyhughes> from a text....
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[0:10] <tonyhughes> about 0.1% might 'get it' on their own sometime...
[0:10] * tonyhughes is cynical this morning
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[0:15] <[vali]> in my experience people just understand what they want to understand... some of them don't understand what they are reading, even the most basic thing
[0:15] <gordonDrogon> I stopped fixing friend & family PC issues.. although I got lumbered with mother in-laws laptop yesterday - "oh while you're looking at those photos Gordon, just stop those messages popping up..." ... Gah.
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[0:15] <Armand> I get paid to help people, so.. I suppose it's reasonable here, but.. if someone wants to be (colourful metaphor) then they won't get much help. :/
[0:15] <Gadgetoid> I'll fix a PC as long as I'm paid for it
[0:15] <[vali]> I lost count how many times they said to me: "it only have one button and it is <continue>, what now?"
[0:15] <tonyhughes> I'll do my (live-in) girlfriends laptop, and her parents PCs. Everyone else pays hard $
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[0:16] <buzzsaw> lol I moved far enough from people so that I dont have to fix computers :-0
[0:16] <Gadgetoid> Dealing with peoples unsanitary, poorly maintained computer hardware almost necessitates hazard-pay
[0:16] <Armand> :(
[0:16] <Armand> I know that one, Gadgetoid
[0:16] <buzzsaw> my step sister called me the other day and I kind of just have not done anything about it...
[0:16] <Gadgetoid> Armand: Haha, it's a pain we all share!
[0:16] <[vali]> I do support for a cable/isp company... there are people who dont even know if their own TV are on or off
[0:16] <Gadgetoid> It's not even my profession, but if anyone catches wind that you know about computers you'll eventually find yourself spending hours maintaining one
[0:16] <tonyhughes> Armand after telling you how solid my home-hosting was, 1GHz o/c on the Pi ate my SD card. lol Im 24 hours down and counting cause been busy with family. Just reinstalling from backups now lol
[0:17] <[Saint]> How do you do that job without slitting your own throat?
[0:17] <[Saint]> [vali]: ^
[0:17] <Armand> O_O
[0:17] <gordonDrogon> right. zed time. tomorrow!
[0:17] <[vali]> Gadgetoid, do like me... "for 30??? hour, I'll fix it"
[0:17] <gordonDrogon> ?55 here :)
[0:17] <gordonDrogon> +VAT...
[0:17] <[vali]> [Saint], a BIG amount of patience.
[0:17] <Armand> tonyhughes, if you don't need much space.. I'll host a backup site for you.
[0:18] <buzzsaw> Got to love the ones "Is it plugged in." - "How stupid do you think I am." - "Could you tell me if the plug is in the top plug or the bottom plug?" - "Will that help - OH nevermind it works now..."
[0:18] <Armand> ^
[0:18] <Gadgetoid> One thing I've noticed, and have done myself, is ruddy USB cables in the ethernet port
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[0:18] <Gadgetoid> They fit. Why do they fit. WHY!
[0:18] <tonyhughes> Armand i kindly have 15GB free of plain ol FTP backup with a datacenter in Auckland.
[0:18] <Armand> Ahhh.. :D
[0:18] <[vali]> most of the things you see in forums/blogs/etc with the most absurd thing I am afraid there are no false, just real world examples, which is very sad
[0:18] <[Saint]> Archos had problems with the Gen8 series tablets.
[0:19] <tonyhughes> It was free in return for some plugs on a site im prominent on (disclosed of course)
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[0:19] <[Saint]> ...they made the charger socket exactly 3.5mm diameter.
[0:19] <[Saint]> right next to the audio out.
[0:19] <[Saint]> :)
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[0:19] <[Saint]> "ITS NOT CHARGING!"
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[0:19] <Armand> *ffzzzzttt!*
[0:19] <Armand> Nope, it's smoking..
[0:19] <[vali]> [Saint], lol
[0:19] <[Saint]> They must've actually relized the flaw in production - they gaurded against that.
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[0:20] <[Saint]> though, apparently it was too late to move it.
[0:20] <Gadgetoid> I'm not really that impressed with Archos, since the TV+
[0:20] <[vali]> I wonder what is wrong with microUSB charging...
[0:20] * [Saint] loves his ancient Gen8 tablets
[0:20] <Gadgetoid> Oh and they also released a netbook *facepalm*
[0:21] <[Saint]> A101IT and A70
[0:21] <[Saint]> they're nice - sans Archos-crippled Android FW.
[0:21] <Gadgetoid> I went to the launch even for the Archos TV+ and they talked it up like it was the most amazing, groundbreaking, unique thing in the world
[0:21] <Gadgetoid> And someone said "My Xbox 360 does all that, and it plays games/DVDs" and they went a little quiet
[0:21] <[Saint]> How totally un-tech-company-ish :)
[0:22] <Gadgetoid> [Saint]: Ho ho ho!
[0:22] <Gadgetoid> True, *looks at the PS4*
[0:22] <Gadgetoid> Oh wait, I can't??? nobody has even seen it!
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[0:27] <Armand> I seen it!
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[0:35] <[vali]> is there any irc client with server/client configuration?
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[0:40] <Gadgetoid> [vali]: What do you mean?
[0:41] <[vali]> IRC client 24/7 on in a headless server, then connect the core from a workstation with a graphical client
[0:41] <Gadgetoid> [vali]: A bouncer?
[0:41] <[vali]> it seems quassel can do it... too bad it dont support DCC
[0:41] <Gadgetoid> I use sBNC on my Pi
[0:42] <[vali]> I used to use weechat in a screen session, but it is a bit cumbersome
[0:43] <Gadgetoid> I like Shroud, I don't really know how it compares to most bouncers, but it works for me
[0:43] <Gadgetoid> And it's been running on my Pi without a hitch for months
[0:44] <[vali]> did not use a bouncer yet, but it may be what I am looking for
[0:44] <Gadgetoid> Linky if for some reason you're incapable of Googling: http://www.shroudbnc.info/redmine/
[0:45] <Gadgetoid> It was easy enough to configure, too
[0:45] <beet0l> znc
[0:45] <Gadgetoid> beet0l: znc good?
[0:45] <Gadgetoid> I also tried PsyBNC
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[0:46] <beet0l> znc is very good, but it all depends on what you need to do
[0:46] <beet0l> basic irc stuff any bnc will do
[0:47] <Gadgetoid> It has playback buffers
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[0:47] <Gadgetoid> Which seem to be missing from core sBNC
[0:47] <[vali]> would like DCC too, just in case
[0:47] <Gadgetoid> [vali]: http://wiki.znc.in/Bouncedcc
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[0:48] <Gadgetoid> Presumably DCC works out of the box, but Bouncedcc will optionally bounce it, so people can't "uncloak" you with a DCC
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[0:48] <Gadgetoid> Although I presume your uses mirror mine, more about staying logged in across multiple platforms than being cloaked
[0:49] <[vali]> I'll take a look at znc and sbnc, thanks :D
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[1:07] <[vali]> oh, it seems it works
[1:08] * [vali] is bouncing around XD
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[1:08] <[vali]> ok, now trying to keep alive
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[1:09] <[vali]> great
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[1:13] <[vali]> did I parted from channel?
[1:14] <Nik05> no
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[1:14] <[vali]> thanks... that means it works :D
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[1:15] <tonsofpcs> sugestions for nylon standoff type/size for use with a Bv2 to hold it away from a case (and to hold an adafruit 16x2 display+key kit above)?
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[1:40] <[Saint]> Hmmmmmm...
[1:41] <[Saint]> I thought rpi-update was supposed to be a part of the standard raspbian image. Is this not the case?
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[1:46] <tonyhughes> [Saint] dont think so
[1:47] <tonyhughes> Nope. Command not found. Im on a fresh Raspbian now
[1:47] <[Saint]> It seems it isn't. I thought it was though.
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[1:47] <[Saint]> I'm not sure why it isn't a part of raspi-config.
[1:47] <[Saint]> ...well, thats a lie. I have a theory ;)
[1:48] <tonyhughes> Do you want the code to install it quickly?
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[1:49] <[Saint]> I've sent a few usability enhancement patches in the creators direction - nothing.
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[1:49] <tonyhughes> for rpi-update?
[1:50] <[Saint]> No, for raspi-config.
[1:50] <[Saint]> and, oh - no. no, its ok. I already have rpi-update installed, I just thought it was an included package, or at least in the repository.
[1:51] <[Saint]> but thanks.
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[2:33] <illwill> http://log.liminastudio.com/writing/tutorials/tutorial-how-to-use-your-raspberry-pi-like-an-arduino trying to install wiringpi came up with a few errors doing the make, tried to compile my code and got this http://pastebin.com/wXBmVKrG
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[2:35] <illwill> http://pastebin.com/hpaRSPns is the errors from the make
[2:35] <Tachyon`> did you forget to link in a library?
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[2:36] <illwill> just wget http://project-downloads.drogon.net/files/wiringPi.tgz untarred and make
[2:37] <tdy_> i don't see video.c anywhere on that blog
[2:37] <chod> is it because the modules are not enabled or would that not affect the compile
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[2:37] <tdy_> but when they compile their blink.c, they link with -lwiringPi
[2:37] <illwill> oh video.c is my code
[2:38] <illwill> http://pastebin.com/ApAa3Gn6 is me linking the lib
[2:39] <Tachyon`> you also need to #include the appropriate headers
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[2:39] <Tachyon`> and IMHO that tutorial looks evil, no buffering at all, you're one small ESD away from a dead pi
[2:39] <illwill> well im not actually using the led stuff
[2:40] <illwill> im trying to use a push button, when pressed it executes omxplayer to run a video
[2:40] <Tachyon`> the gertboard is really good
[2:40] <Tachyon`> ahh
[2:40] <Tachyon`> that should be easy enough
[2:41] <illwill> http://pastebin.com/tvjTBaXT
[2:41] <illwill> is my code, i was trying c code instead of python
[2:41] <illwill> not sure if its right still triyng to figure out the syntax
[2:41] <ShiftPlusOne> clever, you called?
[2:42] <Tachyon`> hem, that looks okay, is the include in the path?
[2:42] <Tachyon`> mind you, it'd complain if it wasn't
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[2:42] <tonyhughes> Anyone using Raspbian Server Edition? New install and its not getting DHCP (and i dont have an HDMI or composite display here
[2:42] <clever> ShiftPlusOne: i had an idea on how to get arround the kexec problem, using safe mode
[2:43] <illwill> http://pastebin.com/ApAa3Gn6 this was the error
[2:43] <ShiftPlusOne> clever, no idea what that is O_o
[2:43] <clever> ShiftPlusOne: http://elinux.org/RPI_safe_mode
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[2:43] <clever> ShiftPlusOne: basicaly, modify kernel_emergency.img to present a boot menu, and it will modify config.txt to match your choice, and reboot
[2:44] <clever> if you dont hold gpio1 to gnd, it will just boot your last choice
[2:44] <ShiftPlusOne> clever, clever
[2:44] <clever> if you do gnd the pin, it will ask, and modify config.txt
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[2:45] <clever> based the idea on how androids bootloader works
[2:45] <clever> but thats just meant to allow recovery or replacement, more like a single user mode
[2:45] <pksato> illwill: wirinpi header (.h) and .so are same version?
[2:45] <ShiftPlusOne> should work fine
[2:46] <clever> ShiftPlusOne: the same pin is also used for resetting the pi after a halt
[2:46] <illwill> https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/wiringpi/download-and-install/
[2:46] <clever> ive got an arcade button wired into it right now
[2:46] <illwill> trying to get it from git now
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[2:46] <illwill> pi@raspberrypi:~/wiringPi/wiringPi$ ./build
[2:46] <illwill> -bash: ./build: No such file or directory
[2:46] <illwill> :/
[2:47] <pksato> chmod +x build ?
[2:48] <illwill> build isnt in the directory
[2:48] <clever> if it wasnt +x, it would say so
[2:48] <clever> -bash: ./test: Permission denied
[2:48] <illwill> its 1 directory up it looks like
[2:49] <clever> bbl
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[2:52] <illwill> it worked compling
[2:53] <illwill> but code is messed up
[2:53] <pksato> remove older version.
[2:53] <illwill> no i mean its looping , but its trying to play the video
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[2:53] <illwill> instead of wating for button to be pressed
[2:53] <illwill> waiting*
[2:54] <pksato> compile examples.
[2:54] <lahwran-> any recommendations for what to put on an sd card for a first time raspi user?
[2:54] <lahwran-> I'm very familiar with linux
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[2:54] <pksato> illwill: test simple code first, print some text, instead play video.
[2:55] <tonyhughes> lahwran-, Raspbian Wheezy
[2:55] <lahwran-> how recent is that?
[2:55] <lahwran-> in terms of package age
[2:55] <tonyhughes> 8 weeks old image
[2:56] <lahwran-> I'm used to ubuntu 12.04, I've been out of the debian loop for ages and ages
[2:56] <lahwran-> so I don't know the names
[2:56] <lahwran-> (other than enough to recognize that they're debian names)
[2:56] <tonyhughes> If you are talking Ubuntu Server, then, my friend, you are IN the Debian loop :-)
[2:57] <tonyhughes> Raspbian / Debian are not bleeding edge, but are not old/ancient either
[2:57] <tonyhughes> The big question is what do you want to do
[2:57] <tonyhughes> I came from Ubuntu Server 12.04 and Im very happy with Raspbian
[2:57] <lahwran-> I'm not in the debian loop, I'm in the ubuntu loop. I'm talking about humans, not software
[2:57] <lahwran-> I'm aware that ubuntu leeches debian
[2:58] <lahwran-> I just mean, I don't know what's what :p
[2:58] <tonyhughes> :p
[2:58] <pksato> lahwran-: first, plug some USB keyboard. :) I dont do it on my first boot.
[2:58] <tonyhughes> Raspbian Wheezy is like a slightly older LTS than 12.04 (in very general terms)
[2:58] <lahwran-> how slightly older?
[2:58] <tonyhughes> I don't know
[2:59] <tonyhughes> Potentially however far behind Ubuntu that Debian normally is (in terms of package age)
[3:00] <tonyhughes> But if a package is too old, you can manually install.... but you knwo that
[3:00] <lahwran-> okay let me back up: first, thanks for the suggestion
[3:00] <pksato> Wheezy older? Wheezy is a next Debian stable version.
[3:00] <lahwran-> _now_: any idea how much older debian wheezy is than ubuntu 12.04?
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[3:00] <lahwran-> so wheezy is newer than 12.04?
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[3:01] <pksato> wheezy do not released yet.
[3:02] <lahwran-> :|
[3:02] <lahwran-> but this is debian-land
[3:02] <lahwran-> things that aren't released yet can be 10 years old
[3:02] <lahwran-> and not because they aren't going to be released
[3:03] <plugwash> I haven't run a detailed comparison but in general i'd expect debian wheezy to have slightly newer versions than ubuntu precise
[3:03] <plugwash> but I bet there are cases where precise has a newer version than wheezy
[3:04] <tonyhughes> Im sure i found a couple of slightly older ones, but not by much. Couldnt tell ya what packages though
[3:04] <tonyhughes> Have a play with Raspbian... its great
[3:04] <gregunderscorem> Hi everyone. I have a pretty good challenge for anyone who wants to take it on: I can't umount my disk, which is preventing me from shutting down. but I've got a list of limitations including no network (the original problem) and... no pipes! (bad keyboard) any takers?
[3:04] <tonyhughes> Runs well in Qemu too - there are a few howtos to get it running in 2mins flat
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[3:05] <CR_Sean> unplug it
[3:05] <ShiftPlusOne> ^ +1
[3:05] <gregunderscorem> sigh... yeah, but really want to umount my disk first
[3:05] <PKodon> Cool, found a couple websites with Ham Radio applications for the Raspberry Pi.
[3:05] <pksato> lahwran-: dont worry about age of version.
[3:06] <ShiftPlusOne> It sounds like you have bigger problems than a possibly unclean shutdown
[3:06] <CR_Sean> ^ wot 'e said
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[3:06] <chithead> gregunderscorem: remount read-only
[3:06] <CR_Sean> grab the plug, and yank it like you are starting a lawnmower.
[3:06] <gregunderscorem> Tell me about it. not sure what happened. It was working fine headless and then it just dropped off my network
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[3:07] <gregunderscorem> well here I was expecting you all to jump into action with some crazy tools. :p oh well thanks anyway!
[3:07] <CR_Sean> ...
[3:07] <chod> 8-]
[3:07] <CR_Sean> What did you expect us to do?
[3:08] <CR_Sean> you had NO input.
[3:08] <[vali]> do a couple of sync before unplug... that should be "safe enough"
[3:08] <chod> i have a slide hammer, if you need that.
[3:08] <ShiftPlusOne> "...to jump into action with some crazy tools. :p oh well thanks anyway!", Pay attention, Sean.
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[3:08] <[vali]> or remount it ro, no write to disk, no damage
[3:09] <gregunderscorem> no no, my bad I didn't explain that well. my keyboard worked and I could get bash to run, but my keyboard doesn't have button for "pipe". not sure what that symbol is officially called
[3:10] <ShiftPlusOne> | ?
[3:10] <pksato> this | ?
[3:10] <gregunderscorem> yeah I can't do that
[3:10] <gregunderscorem> well I can with my laptop : |
[3:10] <gregunderscorem> but not with my pi. because I only have one crappy usb keyboard
[3:11] <CR_Sean> yes you can.
[3:11] <CR_Sean> it's easy
[3:11] <CR_Sean> |
[3:11] <CR_Sean> see?
[3:11] <pksato> but, have this key ?
[3:11] <ShiftPlusOne> lsof, fuser to check why you can't umount. REISUB to reboot as a last resort.
[3:11] <CR_Sean> and it doesn't have a | key?
[3:11] <CR_Sean> O_o
[3:11] <CR_Sean> I find that very difficult to believe.
[3:11] <pksato> but, have key with | label?
[3:11] <gregunderscorem> it has the key but gives some weird symbol, maybe its incorrectly mapped?
[3:12] <chithead> yes, wrong keyboard layout
[3:12] <pksato> yes, wrong keymap.
[3:12] <gregunderscorem> anyway I unplugged it. sincerely thanks everyone for the help, I just needed to confirm that hard shutdown was probably my best option. clearly my pi has some problems
[3:13] <ShiftPlusOne> run raspi-config and fix the layout.
[3:13] <ShiftPlusOne> (assuming you're running raspbian)\
[3:13] <[vali]> you dont need the pipe to remount the partition...
[3:14] <gregunderscorem> no but I got device busy when I tried to unmount, when I tried to check which process was keeping it busy I couldn't grep
[3:14] <CR_Sean> when in doubt, yank it out.
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[3:14] <[vali]> or, if you are in a console, use alt + 124
[3:14] <gregunderscorem> good to know
[3:15] <gregunderscorem> so now I'm up and running again. thanks again everyone
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[3:15] <pksato> dont umount on shutdown process? may be, some application still runing.
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[3:16] <gregunderscorem> here's the weird thing. I manually scanned through htop for the pid keeping it busy. It was -bash. why would my bash session be keeping a hard drive busy?
[3:16] <ShiftPlusOne> were you in a directory on the drive while doing that?
[3:17] <gregunderscorem> nope.
[3:17] <gregunderscorem> i was home
[3:17] <pksato> gregunderscorem: what are running on this system?
[3:17] <gregunderscorem> mpd mainly
[3:17] <gregunderscorem> actually pretty much only mpd
[3:17] <gregunderscorem> the drive has my music
[3:18] <pksato> stop mpd before shutdown.
[3:18] <gregunderscorem> will do.
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[3:18] <pksato> and, umount extra mount points.
[3:19] <gregunderscorem> that one is a little confusing to me. what do you mean by that
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[3:20] <[vali]> mount -o remount,rw /
[3:20] <pksato> manually umount usb storage or network share, befere shutdown,
[3:21] <[vali]> ah, umount -a before :P
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[3:21] <gregunderscorem> got it. thanks!
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[3:22] <[vali]> if you know what directory is in use, try lsof +D directory
[3:22] <[vali]> that will give you the process PID and then you can kill them
[3:23] * [vali] talks to himself XD
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[3:41] <PKodon> [vali]: Hi
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[3:49] <tonyhughes> Hmmm, just removed X, and did update/upgrade on fresh raspbian, now free -m showing only 41MB RAM used. Thats the lowest ive seen before
[3:49] <ParkerR> Even with X installed (not running though) Ive been down in the 30's
[3:50] <Grievar> wait why would X being installed or not installed affect your /ram/ usage?
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[3:50] <chithead> always look at the +/- buffers/cache value
[3:50] <ParkerR> Grievar, Dunno. I was wondering too. SOunded weird
[3:51] <PKodon> Can't you look at what is running in RAM?
[3:51] <tonyhughes> Not saying it takes RAM, just saying what ive done with this install...
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[3:54] <PKodon> tonyhughes: Still, you ought to be able to see what processes are running, to find out what's taking up RAM.
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[3:55] <tonyhughes> I'm saying its lower than a standard install, and all i did was remove X packages and update/upgrade.
[3:55] <ParkerR> I got it down in the 30's by: disabling all but two ttys (in inttab), apt-get removing a bunch of the background daemons
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[4:00] <tonyhughes> Nice.
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[4:22] <fr0g911> moo
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[4:24] <fr0g911> oops
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[4:52] <NatureTM> hi. So I setup my raspberry pi to be an airplay receiver for my gf's iPad, but I rock the Android and now I'm jealous. Is there a good way to get my tablet's audio to play through the raspi? I was considering bluetooth...
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[4:54] <illwill> http://pastebin.com/zjmpVf3r does this look right , i have a pushbutton with no resistor on pin3 of the pi that goes to the pushbutton, the other wire goes to ground
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[5:01] <fr0g911> NatureTM: use yatse for android
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[5:02] <NatureTM> OK, I have a networked xbox running xbmc default. Maybe it will be painless.
[5:02] <NatureTM> thx.
[5:02] <fr0g911> should be
[5:02] <fr0g911> np
[5:02] <fr0g911> illwill let me take a look
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[5:05] <fr0g911> looks good to me
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[5:07] <illwill> do i need a resistor?
[5:07] <illwill> its cycling through and executing the video even though the button isnt presssed
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[5:13] <john-f> illwill: yes try a pullup resistor
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[5:17] <illwill> which size do you think?
[5:17] <illwill> resistance*
[5:18] <john-f> 10k or so
[5:20] <NatureTM> fr0g911, I wonder if I'll be able to find a build of xbmc for actual xbox that will support it.
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[5:22] <fr0g911> NatureTM it should i thought they all came with the remote in
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[5:23] <bimble> sligthly off topic, but does anyone know, is there a way to find out how close my order (from RS) is to shipping?
[5:24] <NatureTM> yatse says it requires version 11+. The builds for original xbox were never "legal" and It looks like the sources I used to use are dried up.
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[5:25] <fr0g911> awww did not know that
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[5:26] <illwill> video is playing without button being pressed
[5:26] <illwill> even with resistor
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[5:31] <john-f> illwill: you put it between 3v and pin 3?
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[5:33] <illwill> between pin3 and pushbutton
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[5:34] <john-f> oh it has a pullup already
[5:34] <john-f> no the resistor is supposed to keep the pin high
[5:34] <john-f> not in series
[5:35] <john-f> but it shouldn't be needed on that pin
[5:37] <illwill> still nada :/
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[6:18] <discopig> hi
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[6:31] <geordie> hi discopig
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[6:36] <chupacabra> lol
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[7:13] <treeherder> halllooooooo
[7:13] <chupacabra> whee
[7:13] <treeherder> are the british alive yet?
[7:14] <treeherder> i want to talk about raspberrypi gpio as AVR ISP
[7:14] <treeherder> i'm having some funny things happen
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[7:15] <timb_us> what's going on with it treeherder
[7:15] <treeherder> well ok
[7:16] <treeherder> so I have an atmega 328P-PU (the regular arduino chip) hooked up to my rpi with an 16 mhz ceramic resonator
[7:16] <treeherder> so sort of a mini arduino uno
[7:16] <treeherder> btut it's running at 3.3v
[7:16] <treeherder> now
[7:17] <treeherder> the only ay i can make it work is that I can burn the bootloader for the standalone breadboard arudino
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[7:17] <treeherder> and then CHANGE the board to be the gertboard 328p
[7:17] <treeherder> and upload sketches that way
[7:18] <timb_us> Okay, seems normal so far...
[7:18] <treeherder> it works for a few or many reuploads of the sketches
[7:18] <treeherder> but sometimes sopntaneously stops working
[7:18] <treeherder> and i have to reburn the bootloader
[7:18] <treeherder> now my quetion is
[7:18] <timb_us> Hmmm. Have you tried using Gordon's setup.sh to set the fuses and such?
[7:19] <timb_us> You can edit it to handle a 16Mhz clock.
[7:19] <treeherder> how do i tell how fast it's running, and secondly how do i get it to work with the same board selected for botloader burning AND sketch uploading
[7:19] <treeherder> bootloader*
[7:19] <treeherder> i haven't tried edititng it
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[7:20] <treeherder> and i've never tried to manipulate fuses before
[7:20] <treeherder> can't i brick my chip
[7:20] <timb_us> Well, you're most likely going to have to use the Gertboard setting for uploading, since that tells it to use the SPI interface if I recall.
[7:20] <treeherder> i foolishly mounted it without a socket, so that would be a problem
[7:20] <treeherder> :,
[7:21] <timb_us> https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/gertboard/initial-setup-of-the-atmega/
[7:21] <timb_us> So you're not using the avrsetup script?
[7:21] <treeherder> if it has he 8mhz bootloader, will it use the bmhz internal clock even when connecred to an xtal
[7:21] <treeherder> 8mhz8
[7:21] <treeherder> i have used the avrsetup script yes
[7:21] <timb_us> If you look in the comments someone talks about switching it to use an external clock.
[7:22] <treeherder> k i'll start there
[7:22] <treeherder> ty
[7:22] <timb_us> Because the Gertboard uses a 12mHz X
[7:22] <timb_us> So there's some magic you have to do.
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[7:23] <timb_us> I'm checking my notes to see if I wrote it down. I had to do it to get my Bareduino going that I made on a tiny breadboard.
[7:25] <treeherder> it would be fins if there was some way to ascertain what clock speed iw as using
[7:25] <treeherder> because, as i said, it works
[7:25] <treeherder> which is what is freaking me out
[7:26] <treeherder> is it avoltage thing maybe/
[7:28] <timb_us> The clock speed is set by a fuse IIRC
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[7:28] <timb_us> Which is what avrsetup does.
[7:28] <timb_us> You just need to change the configuration from 12 (for the Gertboard) to 16.
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[7:29] <timb_us> I have no idea why the Gertboard uses a 12mHz resonator...
[7:29] <timb_us> When the Arduino standard is 16.
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[7:30] <timb_us> You might pop in to #arduino and ask them if there's a way to see if your chip is using the built in clock or the external crystal.
[7:31] <timb_us> (If you find an answer, send me a /msg please. I'll post it on my site so at least the answer is out there for others. :))
[7:32] <treeherder> ok
[7:32] <treeherder> what's your site/
[7:32] <treeherder> if you don't mind me asking
[7:32] <timb_us> Just a personal blog. I'm actually in the middle of switching over to some new software right now. http://timb.us
[7:33] <treeherder> haven'tspokento dongs in too long anyways
[7:33] <timb_us> I'm waiting for gcc-propeller to compile on my RPi so I figured I might as well do web maintenance.
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[7:35] <timb_us> Such a PITA to compile all these tools. A couple of them require x86 binaries to compile! So you have to use some dirty hacks to get it done. And Parallax wonders why Arduino is running circles around them.
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[8:16] <Lartza> Does the raspberry have a 10mbit network port? :/
[8:19] <Hoerie> I guess it's 10/100
[8:20] <Hoerie> http://www.raspberrypi.org/faqs <-- look under networking,usb and wireless
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[8:23] <Lartza> Hoerie, Yeah so it should be able to transfer 100mbit
[8:25] <Lartza> I managed to double what I was getting by using vsftpd instead of openssh for FTP :)
[8:26] <Lartza> Now I am getting 2x 1.5 megabytes per second when earlier it was only 1-1.5 megabytes in total
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[8:45] <pagios> hello, anyone wantt to share some success stories with streaming from a usb attached webcam into a streaming server?
[8:47] <hyperair> cam.hackerspace.sg
[8:47] <hyperair> that's hosted on a raspberry pi + usb camera mounted on servo motors
[8:48] <hyperair> oh actually i think it's hosted on some AWS instance pulling from the raspberry pi.
[8:48] <ShiftPlusOne> looks like a cozy hackerspace
[8:48] <hyperair> yeah it is
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[9:03] <gordonDrogon> morning.
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[9:06] <pagios> which webcam work witn rpi
[9:07] <Lartza> pagios, I'd say anything below 720p, but they could work too :) Check the wiki I bet it has a list of tested ones
[9:07] <pagios> can you share with me the wiki page?
[9:08] <Lartza> pagios, http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals#USB_Webcams
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[9:08] <pagios> thank you
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[9:29] <tonyhughes> Good evening all
[9:31] <ShiftPlusOne> 'morning sir tony
[9:31] <tonyhughes> Yo
[9:32] <tonyhughes> I have some awesome spam today (I only filter spam client side)
[9:32] <tonyhughes> They are no longer subtle or deceptive
[9:32] <tonyhughes> The spammers now tell me that the Russian hackers can supply me anything I want, pirated, and cheap.
[9:32] <ShiftPlusOne> Heh
[9:32] <Dyskette> They're not even wrong.
[9:33] <tonyhughes> I know... honest spam!
[9:33] <tonyhughes> Some level of respect. It's even spelt correctly.
[9:33] <tonyhughes> 'A better class of spam'
[9:33] <BCMM> tonyhughes: define "anything"?
[9:34] <ShiftPlusOne> Better than the forum spam we get. It seems like the forum only gets kitchen spam. Not sure why the advertise with "flimsy plastic kitchens" O_o
[9:34] <tonyhughes> BCMM, just a link to hack hyphen sell dot su
[9:34] <tonyhughes> They don't list items in the email
[9:35] <tonyhughes> And Im not going to that domain
[9:35] <tonyhughes> Even on my linux box lol
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[9:36] <tonyhughes> I *need* another Pi
[9:37] <tonyhughes> I don't *want* one (well... I do)
[9:37] <tonyhughes> I don't *desire* one (well... I do)
[9:37] <tonyhughes> I *need* another one...
[9:37] <[Saint]> Well - you know where to buy them from, and how much they cost :)
[9:38] <[Saint]> Its my birthday in 8 days, you guys should get me another one :P
[9:38] * tonyhughes goes to post a new thread asking "Where is the BEST place to buy a Pi" (and why can't I get one hand delivered by a Foundation employee in MY home country for $25
[9:38] <[Saint]> I need *something* to look forward to after turning 30 :)
[9:39] <tonyhughes> [Saint], there is NOTHING to look forward to after 30
[9:39] <[Saint]> Having a 22yo SO helps ;)
[9:39] <tonyhughes> S0?
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[9:39] <[Saint]> Significant Other
[9:39] <tonyhughes> haha
[9:40] <[Saint]> You're only as old as you feel. Or, the person you're feeling ;)
[9:40] <tonyhughes> Im madly in love with my same-ager (37)
[9:40] * [Saint] too - sans the age match
[9:40] <nid0> you might be with someone young, but just remember, theyre with someone really really old!
[9:40] <[Saint]> I snagged this one ~5 years ago and counting.
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[9:41] <[Saint]> nid0: hey!
[9:41] <[Saint]> you'll be 30 one day y'know! :P
[9:41] <nid0> yeah, its only a 18 months away and ticking down :<
[9:41] <[Saint]> Heh
[9:42] <[Saint]> Enjoy those 18 months. After that, you're officially "old". :-S
[9:42] <Coburn> wish I could stop aging
[9:43] * tonyhughes just bought a house *scary*
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[9:43] <[Saint]> tonyhughes: Oy...yep.
[9:43] <[Saint]> I'm in the same boat.
[9:43] <[Saint]> Well...almost.
[9:43] * gordonDrogon sighs. You youngsters ;-)
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[9:43] <[Saint]> We have the deposit ready - prepared to spend around 400K - but, we want a *nice* place in CHristchurch Central.
[9:44] <[Saint]> ANd, as I'm sure you're aware, Christchurch is still *very* trashed.
[9:44] <tonyhughes> Yeah we spent ages looking for what we wanted in Havelock.
[9:44] <tonyhughes> The good Havelock (North)
[9:44] <tonyhughes> lol
[9:44] <[Saint]> Hahahahaha
[9:44] * ChanServ sets mode +o ShiftPlusOne
[9:44] * ShiftPlusOne sets mode -b *!*@unaffiliated/a124
[9:45] * ChanServ sets mode -o ShiftPlusOne
[9:45] <tonyhughes> I grew up in Blenheim though, and have some good memories of Havelock Marlborough, cars, girls, and booze
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[9:45] <tonyhughes> Because theres faff all else to do there
[9:46] <tonyhughes> Organising housewarming. S.O. had minor hernia when she found out I invited 122 people, excluding her friends
[9:46] <[Saint]> I was born in Fiordland - grew up in Christchurch, left to travel at ~16, did the world-traveling thing for 4 years, then came back to Christchurch.
[9:47] <[Saint]> I've been dotted around NZ, but mostly Christchurch - its home for me.
[9:47] <tonyhughes> Sweet. I love ChCh. Went every year as a child, and lots as an adult. About 4 times since the quake.
[9:47] <[Saint]> But I've lived in Auckland, Wellington, Nelson, Timaru, Oamaru, Dunedin...
[9:48] <[Saint]> tonyhughes: Ah - I see. So, you've seen the mess that is ChCh *now* lol . :)
[9:48] <[Saint]> ...there's pretty much nothing left of the city center now. Its quite sad.
[9:48] <tonyhughes> It doesn't feel real seeing the bad stuff on tv, but 6'7" of 37 year old me wells up when I stand at the red zone fence and reflect on those that died and lost loved ones and livelihoods
[9:49] <[Saint]> Yeah - I still get a bit choked up about it too.
[9:49] <[Saint]> It was a crazy day.
[9:49] <tonyhughes> One trip there was with a paraplegic friend, very difficult place for wheelchairs to be functional now.
[9:49] <[Saint]> Oy... I can imagine.
[9:50] * ShiftPlusOne takes note that this time of day is kiwi time on #raspberrypi
[9:50] <tonyhughes> lol
[9:50] <[Saint]> heh.
[9:51] <[Saint]> Its kinda rare for us kiwi-types to find each other on the net. Well, it is for me, anyway.
[9:51] <tonyhughes> Well I restored my RPi server this morning from daily file backups.
[9:51] <tonyhughes> Im glad I had them (email server, web server, few other bits)
[9:51] <tonyhughes> BUT
[9:51] <tonyhughes> still took about 3 hours
[9:51] <tonyhughes> Definitley need to start imaging once a week I think
[9:51] <[Saint]> Well, I'll rephrase that - I can find other kiwis quite easily. But, not like-minded ones.
[9:52] <[Saint]> If I wanted to talk about beer or rugby - things would be a lot easier.
[9:52] <tonyhughes> Yeah, kiwis are a dime a dozen on the net, but the non non-technically minded ones are basically AOL-user-equivilent
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[9:53] <Lartza> Dean Hall ftw
[9:53] <Lartza> :P
[9:53] <tonyhughes> "HAHaHHAhahHAHA CAT VIDEO!!!!1111o1ne"
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[9:53] <[Saint]> Lartza: Heh - Rocket.
[9:53] <tonyhughes> Did ya hear the mock-Scribe-song on the radio today?
[9:53] <Lartza> Yep
[9:54] <[Saint]> tonyhughes: can't say I did, no.
[9:54] <tonyhughes> Ill try find it. Excellent slamming down of scribe saying Jesse Ryder must have done something to deserve being beaten into a coma
[9:54] <Lartza> [Saint], Only things I could name fron NZ would probably be rocket and kiwi's, and some other weird animals :P
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[9:55] <Lartza> oh right and the Kim Dotcom mess of course :(
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[9:56] <tonyhughes> Kim Dotcom is an MP here now. He looks set to win next months presidential election here
[9:56] <[Saint]> NZ doesn't really have much in the way of "weird animals". Unless you count the Kiwi as weird. Which - I don't really think it weird so much as comical. Fat little thing with ~5cm long wings that basically walks right up to predators and says "Heeeeeeey new buddy! Watcha' doin'?"
[9:56] <[Saint]> ...no wonder there's hardly any left :P
[9:56] <Lartza> Then there's the other extinct birds
[9:57] <[Saint]> Yeah - Moa would've been pretty cool to see. But, apparently they weren't too bright either.
[9:57] <tonyhughes> NSFW due to swearing on the site (and probably in the song): http://www.therock.net.nz/Shows/AudioOnDemand/tabid/381/articleID/24632/Default.aspx also has 11 second advert
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[9:57] <Caribou|> hello*
[9:58] <tonyhughes> Hi Caribou|
[9:58] <Lartza> Kakapo
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[9:58] <ShiftPlusOne> ahoy
[9:58] <[Saint]> Oh, they're not extinct - but, yes, they are amusing.
[9:58] <tonyhughes> Link was for [Saint] - wont make sense to non-Kiwis I think
[9:58] <[Saint]> I've had my car ripped to shreds by several of them before.
[9:58] <Lartza> [Saint], Super rare :)
[9:58] <tonyhughes> ahoy hoy!
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[9:58] <Lartza> Hmm
[9:58] <tonyhughes> Kea are awesome
[9:59] <tonyhughes> love seeing them go to work on a car
[9:59] <Lartza> [Saint], It says only little more than 100 Kakapo are alive :(
[9:59] <[Saint]> Ohhhh - I derped. Yes, its Kea I'm thinking of. Not Kakapo.
[10:00] <[Saint]> Yes, they are rare.
[10:00] <[Saint]> Its Kea that ripped my car to shreds.
[10:00] * ka6sox is now known as ka6sox-away
[10:00] <Lartza> :DD
[10:00] <[Saint]> tonyhughes: advert?
[10:00] <Caribou|> sorry for that generic question but what would be the *best* filesystem for a USB Hdd used for file stockage and media access as in reading movies from it (through the network) ? It's on ntfs right know but the cpu is used at 100%, now i know samba is using a lot as well but if i could limit that that would be great, also transfer rates would be better i guess. ext3 ? jfs ? reiser ?
[10:00] <[Saint]> You need adblockplus my friend :)
[10:00] <[Saint]> tonyhughes: ^
[10:01] <tonyhughes> [Saint], audio advert before song...
[10:01] <tonyhughes> lol
[10:01] <Lartza> "Kea: The only mountain parrot in the world has grown extremely intelligent in finding food, thanks to its tough environment. They are cheeky and playful and quite the opposite of the clumsy Kakapo, sliding down roofs, making somersaults and de-constructing anything from shoes to cars"
[10:01] <Lartza> Haha it says they attack sheep too :P
[10:01] <tonyhughes> I have too many computers to bother installing stuff like that on every one
[10:01] <[Saint]> Lartza: yeah - in the winter they sit on the backs of sheep and eat their livers and kidneys.
[10:01] <[Saint]> ...they're brutal.
[10:01] <ShiftPlusOne> Caribou|, don't know how ext3 compares to the other systems you listed, but anything is going to be better than ntfs.
[10:01] <tonyhughes> Lartza, they can literally write-off a car insurance wise in 20 minutes.
[10:02] <Caribou|> ShiftPlusOne, alright thanks
[10:02] <aeroot> is there a "made in china" print on the RPis produced in UK?
[10:02] <gordonDrogon> Caribou|, if it's mostly used on Linux hosts I'd stick to ext4 myself.
[10:02] <Lartza> aeroot, No
[10:02] <[Saint]> tonyhughes: if you use a browser that offers extension sync - you don't have to.
[10:02] <Lartza> aeroot, It would read "Made in UK"
[10:02] <[Saint]> Chrome, Chromium, Firefox, etc.
[10:02] <tonyhughes> Bah all this linux talk in our wildlife channel
[10:02] <Caribou|> gordonDrogon, it's only used from windows clients over the network
[10:02] <Lartza> :D
[10:03] <ShiftPlusOne> heh
[10:03] <Lartza> Times like these I like living in Finland <3
[10:03] <Lartza> No giant spiders or sheep killing birds
[10:03] <Lartza> :D
[10:03] <aeroot> Lartza: Well, I got three new RPis from RS. On the box there is a sticker with "Made in United Kingdom" and on the PCB there is "Made in China". And they are much lighter than the other ones
[10:04] <[Saint]> Karjalan Paisti 'aint so bad.
[10:04] <[Saint]> Edible.
[10:04] * tonyhughes has changed the topic to: Unofficial RaspberryPi IRC channel, and mainly about New Zealand Wildlife now, but "Blessed" by the Foundation as the ONE channel.
[10:04] <[Saint]> ahahaha
[10:05] <tonyhughes> aeroot, lighter????
[10:05] <Lartza> [Saint], It's lovely when you let it cook for hours
[10:05] <Lartza> [Saint], Tried any Saut??ed reindeer? :)
[10:05] <Lartza> or poronk??ristys, as we call it :)
[10:05] <drobban> Caribou|: dont even consider reiserfs. The one person that developed the filesystem is occupied with prison time at the moment
[10:05] <[Saint]> Can't say I have - no.
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[10:05] * tonyhughes has had crocodile (rare in NZ), and horse fillet sandwich with horseradish.
[10:06] <Caribou|> drobban, you mean prison as in "he doesn't have time to maintain it anymore" ?
[10:06] <tonyhughes> reiserfs is worth a 10 minute google session :-P
[10:06] <Lartza> [Saint], reindeer, lingonberry jam and mashed potatoes, mhhhh
[10:06] <aeroot> tonyhughes: brighter, its a light green PCB, my first 3 Pis were darker
[10:06] <tonyhughes> aeroot, I thought you meant weighs less lol
[10:06] <Lartza> red deer meat is fine too :)
[10:06] <drobban> I would guess that it is for life.
[10:07] <Lartza> I just realized my rev 1 board has no "made in" text
[10:07] <Lartza> But it is from China
[10:07] <tonyhughes> Welcome: alexwhitman, what do you have to contribute about incarcerated filesystem designers, killer parrots, the rapper named Scribe, or sauteed Reindeer?
[10:08] <drobban> Caribou|: so my conclusion is no
[10:08] <Caribou|> drobban, alright :]
[10:08] <Lartza> tonyhughes, Ahahaha :D
[10:09] <aeroot> tonyhughes: no, that seems to be the same :D
[10:09] * tonyhughes is off to the forums to harrass newbies and moderators alike, and generally be unhelpful.
[10:09] <tonyhughes> Oops
[10:09] <tonyhughes> I mean... 'help out'
[10:10] <ShiftPlusOne> tonyhughes, see you there
[10:10] <tonyhughes> those keys are like, right next to each other
[10:10] <ripzay> kangaroo is tasty, as is ostrich, as is crocodile
[10:10] <ripzay> however, i dont know which of those are native to NZ
[10:10] <Jck_true> shark tastes like chicken
[10:10] <ripzay> also.. does discussing the tastiness of an animal constitute discussing wildlife ?
[10:10] <aeroot> So the label on the box has to be a mistake of RS?
[10:11] <ripzay> aeroot.. maybe that sticker refers to the box :D
[10:11] <Lartza> aeroot, Probably
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[10:11] <Lartza> aeroot, RS gets it's suppy from where it can
[10:11] <ShiftPlusOne> Aren't RS pi's only made in China?
[10:11] <Lartza> Umm
[10:11] <Lartza> Ahh maybe
[10:11] <gordonDrogon> Caribou|, well if it's a Linux server, then I'd put a native Linux file system on it - e.g. ext4 ...
[10:11] <Lartza> My first board was from element14, and made in china
[10:12] <Lartza> And this rev2 from local retailer, RS board from china
[10:12] <[Saint]> ripzay: none of them. :)
[10:12] <Lartza> RS case was made in UK though
[10:12] <[Saint]> NZ has pretty boring wildlife mostly.
[10:12] <Caribou|> gordonDrogon, understood
[10:12] <[Saint]> save for the killer parrots.
[10:12] <gordonDrogon> Pi's are curently made in the UK and China. The Chinese ones are for the chinese market AIUI.
[10:12] <ShiftPlusOne> I thought that only Element14 has the Sony thing going and that too is only for a small part of their supply.
[10:12] <aeroot> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/1925
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[10:13] <Lartza> gordonDrogon, Tell that to the biggest electronics retailer in Finland :D
[10:13] <[Saint]> gordonDrogon: I've ordered every single one of mine through RS NZ (which is hilariously just a redirect to RS UK), and all of mine have been the Chinese models.
[10:13] <Lartza> gordonDrogon, "Stop ordering from RS they are for poor chinese people"
[10:13] <Lartza> :D
[10:13] <Lartza> Just kidding :P
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[10:14] <gordonDrogon> I think originally it was just Farnell who used the UK factory, but I'm sure I read recently that RS were switching too.
[10:14] <[Saint]> Well - all the units I've ordered through RS (4 for me personally, and dozens for the hackerspace) have been of Chinese origin.
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[10:15] <[Saint]> that's through RS NZ - which is really just RS UK - so I guess the UK gets these models also.
[10:15] <gordonDrogon> yes, RS still used .cn when Farnell had switches to the UK, but I'll see if I can find the article that says RS are switching. (although it might have been something I heard at the pi jamboree a few weeks ago)
[10:16] <[Saint]> the last Pi I got was `2 weeks ago - Chinese
[10:16] <gordonDrogon> http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2255541/rs-components-brings-raspberry-pi-manufacturing-to-uk-from-china
[10:16] <gordonDrogon> 19th March - so very recent.
[10:16] <[Saint]> Ahhhh - I just missed out I guess.
[10:17] <gordonDrogon> so they might be in the process of running down chinese stocks and ramping up the UK productions.
[10:17] <[Saint]> ...well, not that I missed out on anything.
[10:17] <[Saint]> I don;t really care what nation assembles my ewlectronics.
[10:17] <tonyhughes> [Saint], so you are good with North Korea?
[10:17] <[Saint]> ....unless its those cheese eating surrender monkies!
[10:17] <[Saint]> :P
[10:18] <tonyhughes> 'cheese eating surrender monkeys' ?
[10:18] * xiambax (~xiambax@S0106c8600093fad6.vn.shawcable.net) Quit (Quit: xiambax)
[10:18] <tonyhughes> The National Party?
[10:18] <[Saint]> tonyhughes: Yeah - sure, why not?
[10:18] * Hoerie guesses the french
[10:18] <[Saint]> I'm not South Korea - so, I don;t care :)
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[10:19] * [Saint] needs a larger ' button
[10:19] * tonyhughes is SOOOOO going to call someone a cheese-eating-surrender-monkey tomorrow
[10:19] <[Saint]> Hahaha
[10:19] <[Saint]> Hahahaha - this exists: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheese-eating_surrender_monkeys
[10:21] <aeroot> So its not the origin of the RPi that leads to the other CPU. The new ones have a hynix CPU, the other ones had a samsung cpu. Did i miss a rev. 3 release? :D or is it just switching from time to time?
[10:22] <ShiftPlusOne> aeroot, you're talking about ram... they all have the same cpu
[10:22] <[Saint]> aeroot: the CPU is the same - the RAM - notsumuch.
[10:22] <[Saint]> and the RAm is irrelevant.
[10:22] <ShiftPlusOne> It is a little relevant.
[10:22] <ShiftPlusOne> Since some of the RAM chips don't work too well with old firmware.
[10:23] <[Saint]> Oh? I wasn't aware of that...
[10:23] <tonyhughes> [Saint], the talk page is far more interesting than the article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Cheese-eating_surrender_monkeys
[10:23] * tonyhughes away being a person
[10:23] <ShiftPlusOne> [Saint], http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/3534
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[10:24] <aeroot> So the big black chip in the middle of the RPi is the RAM?
[10:24] <[Saint]> Yes.
[10:24] <ShiftPlusOne> aeroot, yes, the gpu/cpu chip is underneath that
[10:25] <ShiftPlusOne> aeroot, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Package_on_package
[10:25] <[Saint]> aeroot: you can't actually *see* the CPU.
[10:25] <[Saint]> its packaged beneath the RAM
[10:25] <[Saint]> ....awwww, too late.
[10:25] * [Saint] should look up more often.
[10:27] <aeroot> Oh, I didn't know that... Good to know
[10:27] * [Saint] grumbles about couriers
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[10:28] <[Saint]> ...my PiBow cases have been sitting in my letterbox all day - apparently.
[10:28] <[Saint]> ...I was supposed to have to sign for them.
[10:28] <[Saint]> I guess I could be naughty now and claim they were undelivered.
[10:30] <ShiftPlusOne> Wouldn't be too nice, since store might not bother putting a claim through the couriers to get reimbursed for it.
[10:32] <Lartza> [Saint], caseS? how many do you need? :D
[10:33] <[Saint]> Lartza: I have 4 Pi, I needed two cases for myself - and I ordered 20 for the hackerspace.
[10:33] <[Saint]> So there was a massive box of Rpi cases sitting in my driveway all day.
[10:34] <gordonDrogon> Heh.. I've just recently gotten a pibow.
[10:34] <gordonDrogon> nice case, but fiddly with a GPIO cable.
[10:34] * [Saint] hopes it was crystal
[10:34] <gordonDrogon> I got a 'toxic' one and a regular rainbow one.
[10:35] <[Saint]> Argh! I wish I knew - I was trying to get rid of a "toxic yellow" one a week or so ago.
[10:35] <gordonDrogon> you can see an out of focus toxic one here: http://unicorn.drogon.net/steppers.jpg
[10:35] <[Saint]> You could've had it for shipping.
[10:35] <[Saint]> Pibow accidentally sent me 2 of the wrong cases - I ordered crystal and they sent me toxic yellow instead.
[10:36] <gordonDrogon> I bought 2, but have since "lost" the Pi the 2nd one was for )-:
[10:36] <[Saint]> I offloaded one to a co-worker that actually liked the color, and I had one to get rid of I eventually left sitting at the hackerspace so someone would steal it...but, they didn't, so I made it a "prize" lol.
[10:36] <[Saint]> I tried to get rid of it here, but no one bit.
[10:36] <Lartza> :D
[10:37] <Lartza> I have a complete rev1 board + modmypi white case pack I should sell
[10:37] <Lartza> Haven't had time... or lazy :P
[10:38] <[Saint]> Pibow was really good about the shipping mishap.
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[10:38] <[Saint]> I basically said "Errrr - you sent me the wrong cases"; "Oh? Did we? Ah...so we did. Well - you keep those, and we;ll send you some new ones free of charge"; "...awesome!".
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[10:39] <[Saint]> ANd then I ended up ordering 20 more 2 days later, and they just arrived today in one massive batch.
[10:39] <[Saint]> They're nice cases. Especially with the VESA mount backplate.
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[11:02] <drobban> Is the pin naming in wiringpi just like the names used in the arduino?
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[11:05] <mgottschlag> drobban: I don't understand what you want to say, but be careful, there are two different numbering schemes for pin numbers
[11:06] <drobban> mgottschlag: the question is. The naming style of wiringPi, is it influenced by the naming style in the arduino system
[11:06] <mgottschlag> ah, the arduino has the same problem with pin numbering, that the external numbers are different from the IC pin names
[11:06] <drobban> the pinnames that is
[11:06] <mgottschlag> no idea
[11:06] <drobban> okey. thank you
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[11:11] <steveccc> has anyone got any experience with sd card speeds - is class 6 fast enough to play HD video or is class 10 needed?
[11:11] <Lartza> steveccc, I can't remember if mine is class 6 but I can play HD from it :)
[11:12] <Lartza> might be Class 10, it's mymemory brand
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[11:16] <[Saint]> hahahahaha
[11:16] <[Saint]> https://raw.github.com/keroserene/rickrollrc/master/roll.sh
[11:18] <[Saint]> "curl https://raw.github.com/keroserene/rickrollrc/master/roll.sh | bash" == lol
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[11:19] <pagios> hello, anyone wantt to share some success stories with streaming from a usb attached webcam into a streaming server?
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[11:25] <Lartza> How do I get analog audio with HDMI connected?
[11:25] <ShiftPlusOne> ?
[11:25] <gordonDrogon> drobban, the pin numbering in wiringPi is similar to arudinos - the idea is that you have an abstracted numbering scheme, so in arduino, rather than say port B, bit 5, you say "pin 13", in the Pi, rather than Bank 0, bit 18, you say "pin 1"
[11:26] <ShiftPlusOne> ah, misread the question, sorry.
[11:26] <gordonDrogon> drobban, however wiringPi supports "traditional" pin numbers too, so you can go 17, 18, 27, or 0, 1 2 ...
[11:26] <gordonDrogon> mgottschlag, three different schemes )-: Some people use physical pin numbers too (Which wiringPi v2 supports)
[11:26] <mike_t> Lartza, http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting#Sound_does_not_work_at_all.2C_or_in_some_applications
[11:27] <gordonDrogon> Personally I prefer my scheme - in a Rev 1 Pi, my pin 2 is BCM_GPIO pin 21, but in a Rev 2 Pi, the same physical pin is still pin 2 in wiringPi, but pin 27 in BCM_GPIO notation.
[11:28] <Lartza> mike_t, Thank you
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[11:29] <drobban> gordonDrogon: thank you for the answer.
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[11:32] <[Saint]> Is there any way of getting an acceptably functional flash plugin for Chromium/Mozilla?
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[11:32] <[Saint]> Does gnash+firefox/iceweasel work alright on the Pi?
[11:32] <ShiftPlusOne> no
[11:33] <[Saint]> Awww...
[11:33] <[Saint]> So, I guess I need to wait for wheezy to drop - and for the raspbian guys to finish the contrib/non-free repos?
[11:33] <[Saint]> ShiftPlusOne: Does it just outright not work - or, does it not work well?
[11:34] <Lartza> Wouldn't chromium have flash?
[11:34] <Lartza> :D
[11:34] <[Saint]> You'd think so - but, no.
[11:34] <Lartza> The damn pepper plugin or whatever
[11:34] <[Saint]> I guess it doesn't compile for armhf - I dunno.
[11:35] <[Saint]> Anything trying to use flash throws an error in Chromium.
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[11:35] <ShiftPlusOne> just forget it
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[11:36] <ShiftPlusOne> Unless adobe decided to support the pi properly and optimize it for the gpu, it's not going to happen.
[11:36] <ShiftPlusOne> So.... it's not going to happen.
[11:37] <[Saint]> Aha.
[11:37] <[Saint]> success.
[11:38] <Lartza> x86 qemu inside RPi!
[11:38] <Lartza> :D
[11:38] * [Saint] does the neener neener neener dance.
[11:38] <ShiftPlusOne> define success
[11:38] <Lartza> Oh right... work acceptably
[11:39] <[Saint]> "apt-get install iceweasel browser-plugin-gnash" == streaming television in 720p
[11:39] <[Saint]> huzzah
[11:39] <ShiftPlusOne> ....at 1 fps? O_o
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[11:40] <[Saint]> Runs fine. Without any visible tearing.
[11:40] <ShiftPlusOne> D=
[11:40] <[Saint]> ...so, I imagine it is at least 22fps.
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[11:40] <[Saint]> since anything less than that will be detectable by the human eye as individual frames.
[11:40] <ShiftPlusOne> does youtube work as well?
[11:41] * [Saint] has a look
[11:41] <[Saint]> Yep.
[11:41] <[Saint]> But, you don;t need flash for youtube.
[11:41] <ShiftPlusOne> Well... I'll eat my hat then.
[11:41] <[Saint]> google "youtube html5 trial"
[11:42] <ShiftPlusOne> I know
[11:42] <[Saint]> AH.
[11:42] <ShiftPlusOne> I am just surprised gnash works that well on a pi
[11:43] <[Saint]> I am running at 1.2GHZ, though, but - I am also doing this over VNC.
[11:43] <[Saint]> ...so I imagine I could probably manage it at 1GHz on the device itself without VNC
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[11:44] <[Saint]> I just wanted flash for the SO's silly Facepage games.
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[11:45] <[Saint]> Midori may be better suited.
[11:47] <[Saint]> gnash+midori+browser-plugin-gnash seems to run slightly better.
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[11:47] <Lartza> Is omxplayer fast to build?
[11:47] <Lartza> on the Pi
[11:47] <[Saint]> Noooooooooooooo
[11:48] <[Saint]> cross-compile on a real machine.
[11:48] <Lartza> Mhh
[11:48] <Lartza> I need a videoplayer for archlinux arm...
[11:48] <[Saint]> You shouldn;t really bother building anything on the pi unless you're a masochist
[11:48] <Lartza> [Saint], And I don't wanna mess with cygwin right now...
[11:48] <Lartza> :D
[11:48] <[Saint]> So, don't.
[11:48] <Lartza> Yeah well
[11:48] <[Saint]> Its not like CygWin is the only option.
[11:48] <Lartza> Mhh
[11:49] <Lartza> My virtualbox machines don't work
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[11:49] <[Saint]> LiveCD/LiveDVD/LiveUSB, virtualbox, vmware, Wubi...
[11:49] <[Saint]> Use Wubi - it sounds like it is best for you.
[11:49] <Lartza> Is omxplayer only videoplayer?
[11:49] <Lartza> *the
[11:49] <RaTTuS|BIG> that uses the GPU ATM yes
[11:50] <Lartza> hmm
[11:50] <Lartza> XBMC?
[11:50] <[Saint]> It will install a full Ubuntu install in a loopback fs on your main disk, without affecting the host OS at all.
[11:50] <[Saint]> No partitioning required, no additional software - nothing.
[11:50] <Lartza> [Saint], Ugh Wubi never
[11:50] <ShiftPlusOne> omxplayer comes from xbmc
[11:50] <Lartza> ShiftPlusOne, Then...
[11:50] <Lartza> pacman -S xbmc-rbp
[11:50] <Lartza> :D
[11:51] <[Saint]> Lartza: ...lol, you're up in arms over Wubi - but you find CygWin acceptable? :)
[11:51] <[Saint]> ...that's...curious.
[11:51] <Lartza> Not really
[11:51] <Lartza> Wubi was a mess when I tried it few years ago
[11:51] <[Saint]> Wubi whips the pants off CygWin
[11:51] <Lartza> So is cygwin
[11:51] <Lartza> D
[11:51] <Lartza> What was I going to say...
[11:52] <Lartza> ahh
[11:52] <Lartza> I compiled unnethack on the Pi and it wasn't that slow :)
[11:52] <ShiftPlusOne> Lartza, I don't think omxplayer will take long to build. I am surprised it's not available prebuilt in the pacman repos, but you should be able to build it with yaourt or similar pretty easily.
[11:52] <Lartza> ShiftPlusOne, Yeah I checked, not prebuilt :(
[11:52] <Lartza> only..
[11:52] <Lartza> xine, mplayer2...
[11:53] <Lartza> kaffeine
[11:53] <Lartza> :D
[11:53] <Lartza> oh wait that's not for v6
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[11:55] * [Saint] waits for things to explode here
[11:55] <[Saint]> I'm currently running Diablo 2 in a Windows XP Professional virtual machine in virtualbox on the Pi.
[11:55] <[Saint]> ...and, its actually playable.
[11:55] <Lartza> o.O
[11:56] <Lartza> I find many things so wrong in that
[11:56] <Lartza> Virtualbox works on the RPi?
[11:56] <ShiftPlusOne> virtualbox on the pi?
[11:56] * ShiftPlusOne double checks that it's not still April 1st in NZ -.-;
[11:57] <Lartza> ShiftPlusOne, It's not
[11:57] <Lartza> :D
[11:57] <Lartza> It's actually one of the first to be 2.4.
[11:57] <Lartza> :)
[11:57] <ShiftPlusOne> First gnash working perfectly over vnc and streaming video, now virtualbox on rpi... I am onto you, [Saint] >=/
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[12:00] <Lartza> omxplayer is using HDMI >:(
[12:00] <Lartza> bad omxplayer
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[12:02] <Lartza> Got it -o local !
[12:02] <Lartza> Now breakfast and some entertainment >>>
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[12:03] <Hounddog> Good Morning
[12:04] <ShiftPlusOne> ey
[12:04] <neilr> 'ello
[12:04] <[Saint]> Its the 2nd now - and no, gnash isn't running /perfectly/, but, it runs well - no visible tearing, but slow loading times. The virtualbox/Windows XP/Diablo2 kludge is made possible with qemu/chroot - and it is /sloooooooooooooooow/ to start up, but Diablo runs OK once it actually loads.
[12:04] <[Saint]> I'm sure there's a better way of doing it that I'm unaware of.
[12:05] <ShiftPlusOne> Why not straight through qemu without virtualbox?
[12:05] <ShiftPlusOne> (using system emulation, not usermode)
[12:05] <[Saint]> Hum - didn't think of that.
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[12:05] <Hounddog> I am just playing around to get some mediacenter running but openelec and rasbmc i cannot get a browser running... have looked at raspbian but am also unsure about the performance... has anyone got any suggestion or hints of how well it would work with flash etc?
[12:05] <[Saint]> My qemu use is limited.
[12:06] <ShiftPlusOne> I haven't tried installing windows in qemu on a pi, but I see people struggling with it for some reason. It shoul be pretty straight forward though.
[12:06] <[Saint]> Heh - I am just delving into flash on the pi myself.
[12:06] <[Saint]> Hounddog: ^
[12:07] <Hounddog> [Saint]: :)
[12:07] <Hounddog> am tired of connecting my laptop each time
[12:07] <[Saint]> Midori+gnash+browser-plugin-gnash works /ok/.
[12:07] <Hounddog> :)
[12:07] <Hounddog> lemme google on that one
[12:07] <[Saint]> My Pi are OC'd, though.
[12:08] <[Saint]> I'm not sure how it'd run at 700MHZ
[12:08] <Hounddog> oc'd?
[12:08] <[Saint]> Overclocked.
[12:08] <chod> to what mhz?
[12:08] <Hounddog> ah... mine are standard
[12:08] <[Saint]> Yeah - I usually run somewhere in thew realms between 1 and 1.2GHz
[12:08] <chod> much extra heat?
[12:09] * chod nods
[12:09] <[Saint]> chod: Yeah - past 1.2GHz it heats up really quickly.
[12:09] <chod> I Bet
[12:09] <Hounddog> am somehow scared to overclock it... don't want it to burn up
[12:09] <chod> heat sinks fitted?
[12:09] * chod hopes so.
[12:09] <[Saint]> If the CPU is pegged, it'll reach 80C in ~20 mins or so without active cooling and shut the OC off.
[12:10] <[Saint]> And, yeah, I have a rather large cooler fitted to my "abuse-Pi"
[12:10] <chod> LOL
[12:10] <Hounddog> would be nice to see browser/mediacenter work without overclocking
[12:10] <ShiftPlusOne> not a heatsink though, but something that would actually work though, right?
[12:10] <chod> it does
[12:11] <Hounddog> but how well does it work with flash
[12:11] <[Saint]> I can't get any higher than 1.35GHz
[12:11] <[Saint]> cooling or not.
[12:11] <Hounddog> i think i just have to see
[12:11] <chod> openelec works well
[12:11] <[Saint]> Its just not stable, at all, and I've managed to let the genie out of one unit at this clock rate.
[12:11] <Hounddog> yeah got openelec working on it currently
[12:11] <Hounddog> even though for some reason addons are not installing
[12:12] <chod> not all addons can work i dont belive
[12:12] <Hounddog> i tried youtube and such
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[12:22] <treeherder> timb_us: hey i got it all sorted
[12:23] <treeherder> i needed to use the "upload with programmer" option from the menu
[12:23] <treeherder> so simple
[12:23] <treeherder> but i was wondering if you could pass me those resources on the cli / makefile we had mentioned
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[12:35] <treeherder> gordonDrogon: may i ask you a question about adruyino makefile and your modified avrdude toochain
[12:35] <treeherder> ?
[12:36] <gordonDrogon> hi
[12:36] <[Saint]> treeherder: best to just ask - asking to ask can sometimes annoy.
[12:36] <gordonDrogon> what is it you're afteR?
[12:36] <hays> wow. my r-pi shipped immediately from element14
[12:37] <treeherder> wekk uf he wasn't around or was busy
[12:37] <gordonDrogon> oh, do they have stock now? Hm..
[12:37] <treeherder> i'd not want o bug him
[12:37] <gordonDrogon> I don't mind - if I'm here, I'm here - just ask anyway - someone else might answer :)
[12:37] <[Saint]> the channel is logged - you highlighted him - he'll see it.
[12:37] * [Saint] nods
[12:37] <hays> gordonDrogon: i guess so-- i ordered Saturday and it shipped today
[12:37] <treeherder> ok so the question is
[12:37] <treeherder> basically lol
[12:37] <treeherder> what do i do
[12:37] <treeherder> to use makefile
[12:37] <treeherder> withhg rpi gpio as isp
[12:38] <gordonDrogon> ok.
[12:38] <gordonDrogon> I'll upload my own Makefile.. give me a tick.
[12:38] <treeherder> i already have your arduino/ avr gcc modifications installed
[12:38] <treeherder> awesome ty
[12:41] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/Makefile
[12:41] <gordonDrogon> the issue is that my Makefile is somewhat tailired to my own environment.
[12:41] <treeherder> thankthank you
[12:42] <gordonDrogon> but if you look at that, and look atthe bottom section - you'll see a line starting with gpio:
[12:42] <gordonDrogon> er, sorry, starting with gert:
[12:42] <gordonDrogon> so I'd type 'make gert' and it would compile, etc. the code then upload it via the Gertboard mechanism.
[12:42] <[Saint]> Awesome! - A4 printable Raspberry Pi case: http://squareitround.co.uk/Resources/Punnet_net_Alpha3.pdf
[12:43] <gordonDrogon> using the bit-banged gpio/ICSP mechanism.
[12:43] <treeherder> so gordonDrogon you use this in place of the arduino-mK/
[12:43] <gordonDrogon> [Saint], the punnest was the first Pi Case that I recall - it's somewhat old :)
[12:43] <[Saint]> I just printed one out on some reasonably stiff acid free cartridge paper - but, thin card would probably be better.
[12:43] <gordonDrogon> I don't know what arduino-mk is - but yes - that's my sort of generic makefile for all my own Atmega projects.
[12:43] <[Saint]> 'tis a new discovery for me.
[12:43] <Blueness|> cool case :)
[12:44] <[Saint]> I tweaked it a little and make the vent on top the raspi logo. :)
[12:44] <gordonDrogon> I developed my own "wiring" library for the Arduino too, so I don't use any Arduino code at all in my projects.
[12:44] <treeherder> arduino-mk is the popular repo version of a modular makefile
[12:44] <gordonDrogon> ok
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[12:45] <gordonDrogon> you'll see references in there to a library called 'dross' - that's my Atmega run-time.
[12:46] <gordonDrogon> it's a little real-time task scheduller, but it includes "wiring", etc.
[12:46] <gordonDrogon> I also use the standard avr-libc too, so I can use printf, etc. and not those silly Serial.printnum, etc. shenanigans.
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[12:47] <gordonDrogon> one of these days I'll tidy it & publish it...
[12:57] <pagios> hello, anyone wantt to share some success stories with streaming from a usb attached webcam into a streaming server?
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[13:00] <RaTTuS|BIG> awesome .... http://twitpic.com/cge441
[13:01] <gordonDrogon> Heh. lucky red pi :)
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[13:03] <RaTTuS|BIG> now to fire it up when I get some timew
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[13:09] <RaTTuS|BIG> revision 000d ....
[13:09] <RaTTuS|BIG> now back to work I say
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[13:19] <aaa801> ello guv
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[13:21] <aaa801> gordonDrogon, im waiting for one of these to be delivered :D https://www.sparkfun.com/products/710
[13:21] <aaa801> any support in wiringpi ?
[13:21] <Gadgetoid> aaa801: I don't believe so, but I was talking about GLCDs yesterday
[13:22] <aaa801> o.o whatd i miss
[13:22] <aaa801> seems to have the same pin mappings as my char display
[13:22] <Gadgetoid> Not much, it's probably trivial to port the library for any given graphic LCD
[13:23] <aaa801> ye, the control set looks simple
[13:23] <aaa801> im planning on using it as output for a chip 8 emulator
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[13:24] <aaa801> seems http://jormungand.net/projects/devices/avrlcd/ is easily portable
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[13:32] <Gadgetoid> aaa801: Not sure if my LCD is compatible, but I've successfully ported LCD drivers into Ruby for giggles
[13:32] <aaa801> D: ruby
[13:32] <Gadgetoid> Yeah, "slow" doesn't really begin to cover the result, but it was an interesting academic exercise
[13:33] <aaa801> lol
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[13:38] <gordonDrogon> aaa801, not yet, but I have one of those myself, so maybe...
[13:38] <aaa801> aha :D
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[13:54] <megaf> hi folks
[13:54] <megaf> what if I buy the codecs, will my rpi magically decode videos
[13:55] <Hoerie> it will be able to hardware-decode videos encoded with those codecs
[13:55] <Hoerie> it already comes with the ability to decode some out of the box
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[14:04] <megaf> ok, now I just got to wait about 72 hours
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[14:09] <Geniack> megaf: probably going faster
[14:09] <gordonDrogon> aaa801, I've just connected mine up to a Pi - now to write some test software...
[14:10] <aaa801> ive got to wait ~3 weeks for it to ship here =/
[14:10] <Geniack> for the key?
[14:13] <megaf> they will send me the key by email, right? Lets say the home address I put there is not very precise.
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[14:13] <Geniack> where are living?
[14:13] <Geniack> *you
[14:13] <Geniack> and yes it comes by mail
[14:14] <megaf> Geniack, mail or email?
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[14:15] <Geniack> email
[14:15] <megaf> "Your license key will be delivered to you by email within 72 hours of ordering."
[14:15] <megaf> ok, so nothing to worry about
[14:15] <Geniack> in german its easier... you say "mail" for "email" and "post" for "real mail"
[14:15] <Geniack> so if you say email or mail people generally know you referring to the cyberspace
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[14:16] <megaf> I see
[14:16] <megaf> folks, cpuinfo says. Features : swp half thumb fastmult vfp edsp java tls
[14:17] <megaf> so, can it run java apps?
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[14:19] <megaf> thats interesting http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/articles/java/raspberrypi-1704896.html
[14:20] <jelly1> yes but java isn't fast :P
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[14:22] <Hoerie> at least oracle have a hardfloat jdk now
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[14:25] <megaf> Geniack, buy keys just arrived
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[14:52] <Geniack> megaf: see :)
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[14:59] <steveccc> any of you guys got any preferences about micro sd card reliability - brands?
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[15:01] <Triffid_Hunter> steveccc: I tend to stick with sandisk
[15:01] <Triffid_Hunter> steveccc: although my rpi currently has a sony class 4 in it
[15:02] <steveccc> triffid_hunter: i have read lots of sandisk cards being faulty
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[15:03] <Jck_true> I've used a mix of DanaElec(No name card), Medion Micro SD (Another No name card) and Trandscend and San Disk card
[15:03] <Jck_true> None of them being faulty or unreliable...
[15:03] <Jck_true> (The microsd card was a bit slow through)
[15:04] <steveccc> i know the micro cards in samsung devices seem to have wide reports of failures
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[15:14] <pagios> hello, anyone wantt to share some success stories with streaming from a usb attached webcam into a streaming server?
[15:14] <arcanescu> you mean like wowza?
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[15:15] <arcanescu> or a server on the pi?
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[15:17] <seba-> pagios, no success stories
[15:17] <seba-> pagios, you can do it with mjpg
[15:17] <seba-> i did it on the router
[15:18] <pagios> seba-: how was the quality? any lost frames?
[15:18] <seba-> pagios perfect
[15:18] <seba-> 30 fps
[15:18] <seba-> 640x480 resolution
[15:18] <seba-> but i haven't treid it on r.pi, but probably would work better
[15:18] <seba-> :)
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[15:20] <pagios> not really :)
[15:20] <pagios> wont work perfectly on the rpi
[15:20] <arcanescu> you can do it without mjpg aswell
[15:20] <pagios> try it and let me know :)
[15:20] <arcanescu> h264 - 720p
[15:20] <pagios> arcanescu: which tool?
[15:21] <arcanescu> well my camera aws a logitech one was more than capable of doing that
[15:21] <arcanescu> point being it gave out compressed h264
[15:21] <pagios> arcanescu: which camera did you use?
[15:22] <arcanescu> logitech C920
[15:22] <seba-> pagios, how did you do it
[15:23] <pagios> arcanescu: did you use an external usb powered hub?
[15:23] <arcanescu> pagios: nope standard usb port on the pi.
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[15:23] <arcanescu> is enough to power it#
[15:24] <seba-> pagios, did you use mjpg streamer in mjpg native mode?
[15:24] <pagios> arcanescu: did you get something better than this quality? http://bambuser.com/v/3137396
[15:24] <pagios> seba-: i used libconv
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[15:24] <arcanescu> pagios: alot better as i said its 720p... it can go till 1080
[15:24] <arcanescu> if required
[15:25] <seba-> pagios, it looks like a shitty camera
[15:25] <seba-> ah
[15:25] <seba-> ok just not focused
[15:25] <seba-> what's wrong with it
[15:25] <seba-> it's quite ok quality
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[15:26] <pagios> arcanescu: nice, and motion was ok without lost frames?
[15:26] <arcanescu> pagios: yes,
[15:26] <pagios> good to know
[15:26] <seba-> pagios, maybe you don't have enough bandwith
[15:26] <arcanescu> didnt note any as such abnormility
[15:26] <pagios> i will get that webcam, you were using raspbian?
[15:26] <seba-> this eats like a few mbits
[15:26] <seba-> hm
[15:27] <seba-> 5 mbit iirc
[15:27] <arcanescu> pagios:yes, used v4l2 to set it to output h264 frames
[15:27] <arcanescu> and then onto the network
[15:27] <pagios> great, you can choose a lower resolution i assume for the encoded frames, something for low bandwidth over a network
[15:27] <pagios> right
[15:28] <seba-> i'll get crazy with this raspberry.pi
[15:28] <seba-> lol
[15:28] <arcanescu> pagios yes you can, i tried it at 640 480
[15:28] <arcanescu> 320 240, 720p
[15:28] <pagios> i actually want to use 320x240
[15:28] <arcanescu> didnt try 1080
[15:28] <pagios> and does it have any built in mic?
[15:28] <arcanescu> because i didnt want that... yes built in mic
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[15:29] <pagios> lovely and sound encoded in the h264 also
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[15:29] <arcanescu> pagios: i think so my ubuntu machine didnt have speakers... that is not tesed
[15:29] <arcanescu> *tested
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[15:33] <pagios> arcanescu: how did you watch the h264 stream going out of the raspberry? did you send itto some server?
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[15:35] <arcanescu> pagios: no ubuntu machine... receive - >decoded -> displayed
[15:35] <arcanescu> were connected via ethernet
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[15:35] <pagios> yes but you sent the h264 using rtp?rtsp?http?
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[15:38] <arcanescu> rtp
[15:39] <Coffe> i did use motion, but its not streaming , but i have a need for it.. so work it out make a howto :)
[15:39] <arcanescu> h264 -> rtp payload - > udp dump
[15:39] <pagios> gstreamer?
[15:40] <arcanescu> yes
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[15:45] <ChampS666> hey guys
[15:46] <ChampS666> i've installed the lighttpd server and mysql
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[15:46] <ChampS666> now i want to start mysql but there is no mysql.sock file
[15:46] <ChampS666> anyone a idea why ther is no sock file?
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[15:51] <Lartza> ChampS666, What are you doing exactly?
[15:52] <Lartza> And what doesn't work?
[15:52] <Lartza> ChampS666, /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock?
[15:53] <Lartza> init.d start mysqld
[15:53] <Lartza> ?
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[15:58] <drobban> ChampS666: have you considered sqlite?
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[16:04] <ChampS666> [15:53] <Lartza> init.d start mysqld <<< won't work
[16:05] <ChampS666> but service mysqld start works
[16:07] <Lartza> ahh yeah
[16:07] <Lartza> ChampS666, So... that doesn't really
[16:08] <Lartza> ChampS666, What's the talk about the sock file?
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[16:22] <steve_rox> messing around with that rpix86 dos emulator , seems to perform well
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[16:28] <t_dot_zilla> hiiii
[16:29] <t_dot_zilla> i want to setup my pi at my girlfriends so she can stream netflix
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[16:29] <t_dot_zilla> i just found this, Raspbmc... is that what i should use?
[16:29] <chod> i found openelec to be smoother
[16:29] <chod> a fast SD helped
[16:30] <t_dot_zilla> chod: can a class 4 handle it?
[16:30] <sjs205> t_dot_zilla, netflix on linux... is this now possible?
[16:30] <t_dot_zilla> why not through the browser?
[16:30] <chod> it worked on class4 but full 1080p needed faster
[16:30] <t_dot_zilla> nobody has done netflix on the pi?
[16:31] <chod> what does google say
[16:32] <jelly1> t_dot_zilla: only works with android
[16:32] <jelly1> t_dot_zilla: since it's lovely closed drm \o/
[16:32] <jelly1> and with wine it works...
[16:32] <buzzsaw> well you can do it if you use wine
[16:32] <t_dot_zilla> can the pi run andoird?
[16:32] <jelly1> t_dot_zilla: sure
[16:32] <t_dot_zilla> meh then why not, huh?
[16:32] <chod> its how fast is the question
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[16:33] <t_dot_zilla> what do you mean?
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[16:33] <chod> would it be a slideshow or 25fps ?
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[16:33] <t_dot_zilla> i want to watch netflix
[16:34] <t_dot_zilla> you dont think the Pi can handle streaming it?
[16:34] <fr0g911> does she have an xbox or ps3
[16:34] <t_dot_zilla> no...i was thinking about just buying her a blu-ray instead... but the pi is cheaper and can do more
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[16:35] <fr0g911> yeah but not netflix it has alot better stuff then netflix
[16:35] <chod> youtube works
[16:35] <fr0g911> it has crackle and amazon prime
[16:35] <Triffid_Hunter> I can certainly play 720p streaming over network on my rpi.. haven't tried 1080p yet but I'm pretty sure it'll be fine
[16:35] <t_dot_zilla> ha listen... she uses netflix okay?? haha
[16:36] <chod> thats your job
[16:36] <chod> try it and report back
[16:36] <fr0g911> t_dot_zilla: setup a prime account with amazon its the same as netflix
[16:36] <jelly1> t_dot_zilla: it's not about the pi not capable of streaming
[16:36] <fr0g911> but better
[16:36] <jelly1> t_dot_zilla: it's because of the damn codecs and drm
[16:36] <jelly1> t_dot_zilla: which don't work under linux
[16:36] <t_dot_zilla> well we get netflix for free because we use someone elses account
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[16:37] <buzzsaw> what do you mean? you can use wine under linux for netflix
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[16:37] <jelly1> buzzsaw: sure you can
[16:37] <chod> i bet a pi cannot run wine and stream video
[16:37] <fr0g911> not sure how good wine will run netflix on the pi
[16:37] <jelly1> buzzsaw: good luck with wine + firefox on the Pi :P
[16:38] <chod> be intresting to see a fast slide show
[16:38] <buzzsaw> never said it would be good :-)
[16:38] <buzzsaw> just that you could do it
[16:38] <chod> worth a look for the hell of it
[16:38] <fr0g911> gui+firefox+wine+netflix = pi no wanna work
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[16:39] <t_dot_zilla> lol seems like a lot of overheard for the lil pi
[16:39] <kkit> wine won't be useful on the pi, as it's the wrong architecture
[16:39] <IT_Sean> I think you will find that netflix on a pi a painful experiance.
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[16:39] <jelly1> I'm pretty sure it will fail ;)
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[16:40] <buzzsaw> just get a cheap blueray player... That way you can have blueray + netflix +all the other random things it gives you
[16:40] <t_dot_zilla> yeah i guess i'll probably just do that
[16:40] <t_dot_zilla> then just use the pi as a DLNA server like i do w/ my dockstar at home
[16:41] <jelly1> or get an android media center
[16:41] <jelly1> which supports netflix / xbmc
[16:41] <jelly1> ^no experience with that
[16:41] <t_dot_zilla> android media center on the pi?
[16:41] <jelly1> t_dot_zilla: no
[16:41] <kriss> Its a bit too bad you cant get netflix and such for raspberry pi.. It would have been a blast. especially to humilliate my boss for buying appleTV
[16:42] <t_dot_zilla> haha yeah that is lame-o
[16:42] <t_dot_zilla> stupid netflix proprietary bs... oh well they'll be left behind soon enough
[16:42] <fr0g911> lol i have 2 apple tv's
[16:42] <jelly1> well you can blame netflix for it :)
[16:42] <kriss> yeah..
[16:42] <fr0g911> and guess what i still only use the pi's
[16:43] <kriss> i also got a subscription for somting here in Denmark called Nutv which lets you stream stuff but its sadly silverlight based so no dice on that either.. not even in regular linux like debian
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[16:47] <t_dot_zilla> i just wonder how the netflix app runs on android on pi...
[16:47] <t_dot_zilla> might be worth it to install android if it's smooth
[16:48] <CR_Sean> Is there a non-prerelease android build out yet for the Pi? Last i checked, Android was still a WiP.
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[16:50] <t_dot_zilla> whats up w/ AndroidPi 4.0
[16:50] <drobban> AppleTV is the greatest. no fuss, it just works. Apple make great products
[16:50] <fr0g911> ?
[16:50] <fr0g911> drobban leave now
[16:50] <fr0g911> lol
[16:50] <drobban> :)
[16:51] <ChampS666> [16:50] <drobban> AppleTV is the greatest. no fuss, it just works. Apple make great products <<< like IOS maps?
[16:51] <drobban> I love Apple, they know how to make things that work.
[16:51] <ChampS666> or siri?
[16:51] <nid0> they sure do
[16:51] <nid0> like itunes
[16:51] <nid0> or siri
[16:51] <nid0> or maps
[16:51] <ChampS666> xddd
[16:51] <ChampS666> yah and innovative work like the iphone5 !
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[16:52] <drobban> maps?
[16:52] <drobban> I dont follow.
[16:52] <ChampS666> you should
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[16:52] <drobban> What about the iphone5, siri and maps?
[16:53] <ChampS666> maps siri and itunes are not working well
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[16:53] <ChampS666> the iphone 5 is no innovation, its the same like iphone4s
[16:53] <ChampS666> just small hardware improvments
[16:53] <drobban> i like them.
[16:53] <ChampS666> sure
[16:54] <drobban> i dont see the problem :). either you like it, or you buy something else
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[16:57] <drobban> humm. Did the discussion end there?
[16:57] <CR_Sean> It appears to have done exactly that.
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[16:59] <drobban> first time that happened. I thought that the Apple vs. everyone discussion was like a for(;;). must been a glitch somewhere
[16:59] <patogen> will the model B running raspbian be able to play emulated games such as nintendo 8bit/16 bit while stile acting as a torrent server?
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[17:09] <kaste> patogen: if you use nice wisely yes
[17:10] <patogen> kaste: ok, as I thought, thank you
[17:11] <kaste> let's phrase it this way, the torrent's hardly show up on the cpu, so you can neglect them and they won't be starved if you use nice
[17:11] <kaste> I believe the 600mhz should be enough, but i haven't tried. Emulation tends to be cpu hungry but the machines you emulate should be small enough that it'd work i believe
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[17:12] <drobban> damn my project have grown to be to big. Anyone wanna pitch in :P
[17:14] <patogen> kaste: yeah, probably best just to try ... don't have enough cables to connect it to a monitor right now without much hassle however
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[18:19] <murphycr> Is there any known mechanism for the builtin ethernet to go to 'sleep'
[18:19] <murphycr> ?
[18:19] <murphycr> If I let the Pi sit idle on the network for over 5 minutes, it starts rejecting connections...
[18:19] <CR_Sean> afaik, no.
[18:20] * murphycr facepalms
[18:20] <murphycr> I've reinstalled raspbian, recompiled the kernel...
[18:20] <murphycr> I'm not sure what to do at this point
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[18:20] <RaTTuS|BIG> power - see what cat /var/log/syslog says
[18:21] <murphycr> er.. do you mean dmesg? /var/log/messages?
[18:21] <RaTTuS|BIG> both or either
[18:21] <RaTTuS|BIG> ooh - time for me to go
[18:21] <murphycr> So far they've offered nothing
[18:22] <murphycr> is there a way to turn up the verbosity?
[18:22] <murphycr> aww :(
[18:22] <murphycr> Thanks RaTTuS|BIG!
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[18:23] <anew> what is the user/pass for rasppi ?
[18:24] <murphycr> pi / raspbian ?
[18:24] <m0rph_> pi / raspberry i think
[18:24] <RaTTuS|BIG> pi / raspberry ... really have gone now though sorry could nopt be of more help murphycr
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[18:31] <arcanescu> the rpi store has alot of games... yet it doesnt mention how many ppl bought the games which are paid which would be an interesting statistic.....
[18:34] <zastaph> games made especially for Pi ?
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[18:34] <arcanescu> zastaph: id think so
[18:34] <zastaph> in what language are they made
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[18:37] <arcanescu> english
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[18:38] <zastaph> programming language
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[18:56] <CR_Sean> zastaph: the raspberry pi is a computer. You can essentally use whatever programming language you prefer.
[18:56] <CR_Sean> The Official Language is Python.
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[18:58] <zastaph> just wondering what makes them tailored for Pi
[18:58] <zastaph> ARM specific functions?
[18:59] <CR_Sean> They are compiled for the ARM architecture.
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[19:27] <jelly1> zastaph: you can use almost any language
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[19:30] <gyeben> hi
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[19:32] <zastaph> anyone here makes games dedicated for Pi ?
[19:33] <jelly1> not me, internets might provide some
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[19:34] <buzzsaw> no need to make games for pi. You can use games already made for *nix :-)
[19:34] <buzzsaw> or... run android and use games there
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[19:36] <geordie> zastaph: i think people have succesfully run MAME on the pi
[19:36] <CR_Sean> I'm not sure what you are after, zastaph, but there is nothing special about making soffware for the Pi. Any *nix soffware can be ported to ARM and run on the Pi
[19:36] <geordie> there was someone else porting cool old games as well, whom i found by googling
[19:36] <geordie> that was a couple months ago
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[19:48] <asaru> zastaph, look into retropie
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[19:54] <raspier> Any recommendations for ps -f fixes on the Pi?
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[19:55] * gordonDrogon types ps -f
[19:56] <gordonDrogon> so what's wrong with the output of ps -f ?
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[20:03] <OpenSys> zastaph, normally any game that you have the source code and run in linux, can be compiled to PI (ARM)
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[20:03] <OpenSys> hey gordonDrogon
[20:04] <gordonDrogon> hi
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[20:14] <ChampS666> is someone using phpmyadmin on fedora remix?
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[20:33] <Cymon> Anyone here?
[20:33] <CR_Sean> nope.
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[20:34] <Cymon> Darn.
[20:34] <CR_Sean> heh
[20:34] <CR_Sean> there are people here.
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[20:36] <Cymon> I'm building a portable rPi setup and wanted to know which one you'll all choose. I have a hub powering the pi, wifi, and bluetooth and maybe a 3.5" screen. Which would you choose to power it: http://amzn.com/B009THW4TK http://amzn.com/B00910TXIK or http://amzn.com/B005ZSVZRY
[20:37] <Cymon> The first ships from china, so there's shipping and time. The second looks okay, the third would mean I'd have to go outside once in a while, right? But it'd be cool.
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[20:42] <gordonDrogon> aaa801, ping?
[20:42] <aaa801> gordonDrogon, pong
[20:43] <gordonDrogon> aaa801, did you get that display hooked up?
[20:43] <aaa801> havnt got it yet
[20:43] <aaa801> its shipping from america =/
[20:43] <gordonDrogon> a-ha :)
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[20:46] <gordonDrogon> http://youtu.be/JBtS35qPmeo
[20:47] <gordonDrogon> have a look at that - got a driver for you to play with :)
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[20:50] <aaa801> :3
[20:50] <aaa801> wut
[20:50] <aaa801> my browser doesnt recoginze any of the formats available
[20:50] <aaa801> well, thats new
[20:51] <gordonDrogon> it's youtube...
[20:51] <gordonDrogon> er ..
[20:51] <aaa801> ye =/
[20:51] <aaa801> its using html5
[20:51] <aaa801> lol
[20:51] <gordonDrogon> direct off my phone camera...
[20:51] <aaa801> lemme grab nightly
[20:52] <aaa801> Sigh, refreshed and it works
[20:52] <aaa801> o.o shiny!
[20:53] <gordonDrogon> :)
[20:53] <gordonDrogon> well - as shiny as 128x64 can be!
[20:53] <aaa801> lol
[20:53] <aaa801> twice the resolution i need
[20:53] <aaa801> ;)
[20:53] <gordonDrogon> in green & black...
[20:53] <aaa801> i only need 2 colours
[20:53] <aaa801> :3
[20:53] <aaa801> chip8 emulator
[20:53] <aaa801> :D
[20:53] <gordonDrogon> needs 12 GPIO pins though.
[20:54] <aaa801> you know i have like 50 gpio pins
[20:54] <aaa801> :P
[20:54] <ChampS666> is someone using phpmyadmin on fedora remix?
[20:54] <gordonDrogon> yea, but you need /fast/ gpio pins - ie. native Pi ones. else the update speed will be slower than it currently is.
[20:55] <gordonDrogon> it's using the digitalWriteByte() function that's a native Pi one - not a generic digitalWrite() one for any gpio expander.
[20:55] <gordonDrogon> you could hack it though.
[20:56] <gordonDrogon> ChampS666, I think you're on a losing battle here - the nunmber of Fedora users is currently vanishingly small, then from that pool the number using pma will be even smaller ...
[20:56] <aaa801> =/
[20:57] <ChampS666> :<
[20:57] <gordonDrogon> the clock program is the one I did in BASIC re-written in C to use the display.
[20:57] <ChampS666> that number should be bigger :< !
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[20:58] <gordonDrogon> ChampS666, it could be bigger, but is't.
[20:58] <gordonDrogon> ChampS666, I suspect there are even less people using FC than Arch. You might find you're down in the noise with the riscos people.
[20:59] <chithead> before raspbian, fedora was one of the recommended distros
[21:00] <gordonDrogon> I know.
[21:00] <gordonDrogon> it was the one the foundation wanted to use initially.
[21:00] <gordonDrogon> but there appeared to be too many issues, so a last minute switch to Debian, and now Raspbian.
[21:01] <gordonDrogon> I went with Debian from the word go, having used it for ever.
[21:01] <chithead> if you got your rpi before april last year and didn't reinstall since then...
[21:01] <patogen> why would one choose riscos btw? What are benefits?
[21:01] <ShadowJK> nostalgia.
[21:01] <gordonDrogon> I've reinstalled a few times, but not for the past 6 months or so now.
[21:01] <patogen> ok
[21:02] <gordonDrogon> there is a small group of riscos enthusiasts. It's an old curiosity, but for some reason they all get very uptight and protective about it.
[21:03] <gordonDrogon> I've faced their wrath many times.
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[21:03] <gordonDrogon> but then I've poked a stick at them too :-)
[21:03] <patogen> :D
[21:03] <ShadowJK> Well the used to run riscOS on x86 laptops, using horribly expensive emulators
[21:03] <ShadowJK> they*
[21:04] <gordonDrogon> I used to run riscos on an Acorn archimedes...
[21:04] <gordonDrogon> but it the day after I got Linux on a PC, I gave it away.
[21:04] <gordonDrogon> that was 20 years ago.
[21:05] <gordonDrogon> actually not quite right - however once I got Linux on a PC the Arc never got turned on again.
[21:05] <gordonDrogon> and I did eventually give it away.
[21:06] <ShadowJK> I've met more than one riscos user that basically said they stopped using computers alltogether once their archimedes broke down or became unusable, and only recentlyish with the smartphone etc crazy started using computer again
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[21:09] <gordonDrogon> riscos has been going for a long time though - it's well supported (within its community) on things like beagleboard and so on.
[21:10] <chod> its nice and fast on a pi
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[21:21] <gordonDrogon> the OS might be, but programs/applications won't be.
[21:21] <gordonDrogon> and the OS/GUI is fast because it's not going nearly half what X is doing..
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[21:22] <chod> cos its doing very little
[21:22] <chod> (riscos) that is
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[21:23] * zleap remembers risc/os on the archimedies
[21:23] <chod> A300 yay!
[21:23] <zleap> gordonDrogon, tom has gor the robot arm stuff working on the pi
[21:24] <chod> the maplin one ?
[21:24] <zleap> think so
[21:24] <chod> on usb, working here
[21:24] <zleap> chod a3000 iirc
[21:24] * chod had an A3000
[21:24] * zleap has a manual for it
[21:24] <zleap> the a3000
[21:24] * chod also
[21:24] <zleap> :D
[21:25] <chod> Riscpc doing my timesheet just here >
[21:25] <zleap> ah
[21:25] <chod> Iyonix on the floor
[21:25] <zleap> iirc that was a pc / risc pc hybrid
[21:25] <chod> raspberry pi woops em both
[21:25] <zleap> some sort of plug in board right
[21:25] <chod> yup
[21:25] <chod> if you needed podules
[21:26] <zleap> i remember seeing or reading about those
[21:27] <chod> Riscpc < with tv card
[21:27] <zleap> ah
[21:27] <chod> its its main job now :(
[21:27] <chod> and the odd backup
[21:27] <zleap> at least it still has some use
[21:28] <chod> very nice irc client !LIRC
[21:28] <zleap> ah
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[21:29] <gordonDrogon> zleap, yes, I think he said...
[21:30] <zleap> he came in to dc;ug saying yay it works then ping timed out
[21:30] <zleap> dclug
[21:30] <zleap> unless he means irc from the pi
[21:30] <zleap> oh he just left, so no ping time out
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[21:33] <zleap> does git clone need a new directory each time i use it
[21:33] <zleap> or am i meant to delete the old stuff then run git clone again to get the newer files
[21:35] <Triffid_Hunter> zleap: git pull
[21:36] <zleap> ok
[21:36] <zleap> thsat will pull down the lastest files
[21:36] <zleap> ok thanks
[21:36] <Triffid_Hunter> zleap: technically, git fetch pulls the latest files. git pull does a fetch first, then merges with what you have locally as well
[21:36] <zleap> so git pull <pull>
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[21:36] <zleap> so git pull <url>
[21:36] <Triffid_Hunter> zleap: no just cd into the dir, and git pull by itself
[21:37] <zleap> ok
[21:37] <zleap> thanks
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[21:40] <gordonDrogon> Hm. we actually got enough sunlight today to charge up our little globe of sunlight!
[21:40] <zleap> :)
[21:41] <gordonDrogon> (which is one of those garden led lights I put in a frosted bowl in the window a few years ago!)
[21:41] <gordonDrogon> I'm amazed it's still working..
[21:42] <zleap> cool
[21:42] <zleap> someone should invent a rain powered one
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[21:48] <Duality> hey :)
[21:48] <CR_Sean> ... is for horses.
[21:48] <Duality> I can remote desktop to my rpi, but the screen on composite is diffrent from remote desktop screen ?
[21:48] <CR_Sean> how so?
[21:49] <chod> cool, that was my next question
[21:49] <pksato> Duality: that you use to provide remote resktop?
[21:49] <buzzsaw> ssh -Y :-)
[21:50] <CR_Sean> What about it is different, Duality?
[21:50] <pksato> vncserver or x11vnc ?
[21:50] <geordie> zleap: i'm in the early stages of designing/planning a microhydro power setup that would depend on surface water in a very rainy part of north america
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[21:51] <geordie> if that gets up and running then a couple rpis will be permanent installations up there
[21:51] <Duality> i want my remote screen to be actual screen :)
[21:52] <CR_Sean> Wha?
[21:52] <zleap> geordie, cool
[21:52] <Duality> It's like two diffrent x sesions are running
[21:53] <CR_Sean> o_O
[21:53] <buzzsaw> screen should have no problems running on a pi :-)
[21:53] <CR_Sean> How did you remote into the Pi?
[21:53] <buzzsaw> local or remite ;-)
[21:53] <pksato> Duality: use x11vnc to provide remote access to actual desktop session.
[21:53] <Duality> with rdp
[21:55] <Duality> so how do i use x11vnc ?
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[22:23] <Duality> got x11vnc working thanks all !!
[22:25] <SpeedEvil> :-)
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[22:27] <Duality> uhm composite out not that fast ?
[22:28] <CR_Sean> what do you mean by "not that fast"?
[22:29] <Duality> i played a vid with mplayer and playback wasn't fast
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[22:29] <CR_Sean> That probably hasn't got to do with it being composite out. THat will affect the video quality, but not the "Speed" of playback.
[22:29] <Duality> 360p
[22:30] <CR_Sean> 360p is a resolution, not a "Speed"
[22:31] <pksato> mplayer? a normal mplayer? not omxplayer?
[22:32] <Duality> omxplayer is way better
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[22:33] <CR_Sean> that's because omxplayer can take advantage of hardware video decoding.
[22:34] <Duality> ah
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[22:39] <ugg> anyone else having xorg 11.4 problems with the arch varient on rpi ?
[22:39] <ugg> with it active my bluetooth keyboard/mouse do not stay connected
[22:40] <ugg> for now I have reverted to 11.3
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[22:47] <Caribou|> is that "normal" to have 100% of my cpu taken by samba while transfering files from windows to rpi
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[22:48] <Caribou|> i just switched from ntfs to ext4 which makes me transfer at 11mb/s compare to 3mb/s but i'm still having a lot of cpu taken but i feel like it's almost normal seeing the forums
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[22:50] <|Jeroen|> why don't you do it the other way
[22:50] <|Jeroen|> samba client on pi and server on windows
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[22:52] <Caribou|> |Jeroen|, why not but what is the bottleneck actually ? so that i understand what's going on there :]
[22:53] <|Jeroen|> dunno, but the bottlenec is the usb on the pi
[22:53] <|Jeroen|> the eth is a usb chip
[22:54] <Caribou|> top is saying that samba is taking 100% of the cpu so
[22:54] <|Jeroen|> i can play full hd over samba with low cpu usage
[22:54] <Caribou|> i didn't mean to send taht sorry
[22:54] <Caribou|> what i mean is why is that related to cpu ?
[22:54] <Caribou|> if the usb is limiting it shouldn't add cpu work !?
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[22:55] <Caribou|> |Jeroen|, me too, reading is fine, writing is not
[22:55] <|Jeroen|> well i don't know, never set u a samba server on my pi
[22:55] <|Jeroen|> what is it writing to?
[22:55] <Caribou|> ext4 external usb drive
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[22:56] <|Jeroen|> well that would give it a lot of usb work
[22:56] <Caribou|> let me try copying on the SD directly
[22:57] <Caribou|> same thing
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[22:58] <|Jeroen|> strange
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[23:00] <|Jeroen|> you could try a older max protocol in samba
[23:00] <|Jeroen|> maby its faster
[23:00] <|Jeroen|> maby its doing smb2 with some encrytpion stuff
[23:01] <|Jeroen|> well im off gl
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[23:08] <Caribou|> that helped a bit indeed :)
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[23:28] <troulouliou_dev> hi is it possible with a arduino or any cheap device, a pi and open source software to build an oscilloscope ?
[23:29] <buzzsaw> kind of :-)
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[23:29] <troulouliou_dev> buzzsaw, you did it ?
[23:29] <buzzsaw> nope
[23:29] <buzzsaw> just google it
[23:29] <ShiftPlusOne> It wouldn't be very good.
[23:29] <chod> using arduino and android phone
[23:30] <chod> digital and limited analogue, bit slow for serious anything
[23:30] <buzzsaw> yeah basicly your get something but does that something really do what you want?
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[23:30] <troulouliou_dev> chod, ok i saw that when thepicame out ; nothing more serious then ?
[23:31] <steinerlein> hello people
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[23:31] <chod> troulouliou_dev: u have an android phone ?
[23:31] <steinerlein> anyone there willing to help me with soundtroubles?
[23:31] <chod> look on google play for arduino app
[23:31] <buzzsaw> not unless you ask question steinerlein :-)
[23:31] <chod> :)
[23:32] <troulouliou_dev> chod, those are better ?
[23:32] <chod> ?
[23:32] <steinerlein> I am running debian wheezy on a model b
[23:32] <chod> annd more word in your question
[23:32] <steinerlein> with a usb soundcard
[23:32] <buzzsaw> steinerlein: sadly the only mindreaders that are in the channel are off for the rest of the year... So, your going to have to be specific.
[23:32] <troulouliou_dev> chod, just checked on amazon they are not that expensivenow in fact
[23:33] <steinerlein> i succeeded setting it as device no 0
[23:33] <chod> 'topic' add words to questions, dont ask to ask.
[23:33] <steinerlein> and it will work if I test it with aplay -D plughw:0 something
[23:33] <buzzsaw> chod: sadly not many people read the topic and still ask to ask anyway :-s
[23:33] <chod> heh
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[23:34] <steinerlein> and I am trying to set up mopidy
[23:34] <steinerlein> wich will not play through that
[23:34] <chod> troulouliou_dev: there are cheap arduinos
[23:34] <chod> troulouliou_dev: it depends what u need to scope
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[23:36] <troulouliou_dev> chod, digital logic analyse on circuit atm
[23:36] <troulouliou_dev> 6 - 10 would be great :)
[23:37] <chod> a pi could do it
[23:38] <ShiftPlusOne> As long as you're not too interested in the transitions
[23:39] <troulouliou_dev> chod is there a soft for this somewhere ?
[23:39] <troulouliou_dev> ok this oen will do :) http://code.google.com/p/arduinoscope/
[23:39] <chod> wiring pi has loads of useful stuff
[23:39] <troulouliou_dev> ok
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[23:42] <a930913> Right, who wants to help me work out my why pi doesn't boot now? :(
[23:43] <chod> what did you do
[23:43] <a930913> chod: Didn't use it for a while.
[23:43] <chod> what does it say
[23:43] <a930913> Just hangs.
[23:43] <chod> when
[23:43] <a930913> Around the USB part if plugged in, otherwise ethernet.
[23:44] <chod> is it overclocked?
[23:44] <pksato> http://dx.com/p/dso-150-2-0-lcd-usb-dual-channel-oscilloscope-106804
[23:44] <a930913> chod: Nope.
[23:44] <chod> is the psu any good ?
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[23:45] <a930913> chod: That's the only thing I can think that's changed.
[23:45] <a930913> But it should still boot.
[23:45] <a930913> It's a blackberry 700ma.
[23:45] <chod> have you the 'other' psu ?
[23:45] <chod> can you try it?
[23:45] <a930913> chod: Alas, I'd have tried if I could find it.
[23:46] <chod> can you check the voltage of this psu 'live'
[23:47] <a930913> chod: At home; don't have a multimeter here :(
[23:47] <chod> failing that can you check the SD with another machine
[23:47] <ring0> does the rpi heatsink reduce the temperature of the chip noticeably?
[23:47] <a930913> ring0: I'm told contrary.
[23:47] <ring0> a930913, so, it's just a rip off?
[23:48] <a930913> ring0: Think "cosmetic" ;)
[23:48] <ring0> heh ;)
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[23:48] <chod> it could help a bit if decent paste and active cooling ie a phat fan
[23:48] <chod> 'a bit#
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[23:49] * a930913 wants a watercooled pi :D
[23:49] <ring0> are there any documented temperature limits?
[23:49] <chod> submerge in transformer oil
[23:49] <applegekko> why? they dont run that hout Temp[ 43?C ]
[23:49] <applegekko> mine normally is 30 but i have the heating on
[23:50] <ring0> applegekko, just interested
[23:50] <applegekko> cat /sys/class/thermal/thermal_zone0/temp
[23:50] <applegekko> shouljd tell you the temp on the chip
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[23:50] <chod> 43850
[23:51] <ring0> yes, that works. but it doesn't tell me: hey, it's too hot in here ;)
[23:51] <a930913> chod: Also, when I last used it, it took up the whole TV screen. Now it just takes a 4:3 section of it.
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[23:52] <chod> erm
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[23:56] <chod> i guess in the pi the kernel monitors this or at a lower level and reduces cpu
[23:57] <chod> but a script to log this would be very intresting say hourly
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[23:57] <ring0> yes
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[23:58] * chod is not that clever, any takers
[23:58] <tonyhughes> WAHOO my SPA3102 just arrived. Time to get Raspberry-Asterisk going.
[23:59] <tonyhughes> A script for cpu temp monitoring?
[23:59] <chod> aye
[23:59] <tonyhughes> I have one that just logs to a text file...
[23:59] <tonyhughes> lemme find it
[23:59] <a930913> chod: Get my pi running and I'll tell you how to do it ;)
[23:59] <chod> nice one
[23:59] <a930913> Unless tonyhughes gets there first :p
[23:59] <Tenkawa> anyone had any luck with a pi hanging after waiting on root device (usb attached storage)? if i change root back to the mmcblk0 dev its on it works fine. Thanks
[23:59] <chod> a930913: have you a fresh SD u can use?

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