#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2013-04-03

Timestamps are in GMT/BST.

[0:00] <a930913> chod: Hmm, that's a point. I'll have a look.
[0:00] <tonyhughes> can i paste 9 lines here?
[0:00] <Tenkawa> it even sees the usb drive after the boot completes using the sd boot/root
[0:00] <tonyhughes> or via pm?
[0:00] <chod> for me?
[0:00] <tonyhughes> yes
[0:00] <chod> pm or pastbin
[0:00] <a930913> tonyhughes: Not a cron?
[0:00] <tonyhughes> cron calls it
[0:01] <Tenkawa> this one is weird
[0:01] <tonyhughes> facepalm.... its for my old not-a-pi server
[0:01] <tonyhughes> easy to adapt for Pi though
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[0:01] <a930913> tonyhughes: "cat /sys/class/thermal/thermal_zone0/temp >> templog.txt" on cron, no?
[0:02] <tonyhughes> I logged more stuff too....
[0:02] <tonyhughes> http://pastebin.com/Rzq8yzdi
[0:03] <tonyhughes> I was calling it every minute as my laptop-as-a-server was in a tight space with poor airflow
[0:03] <chod> yes, that figures now i can see it
[0:03] <chod> nice one
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[0:04] <a930913> Which reminds me... My laptop-as-a-server fan was whirring badly so I should probably check it out...
[0:04] <tonyhughes> *was* ???
[0:04] <chod> beat the dust cheese out of it
[0:04] <tonyhughes> roffle
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[0:28] <chod> is there a temp available on the lan chip/
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[0:45] <Tenkawa> so.. did anyone see my earlier question?
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[0:45] <[Saint]> I suspect many people did.
[0:45] <[Saint]> Don't confuse not getting an answer with no one seeing the question.
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[0:46] <Tenkawa> [Saint]: i know.. i was being partially sarcastic
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[0:48] <Tenkawa> i found a weird one
[0:49] <Tenkawa> i have a kernel that will boot the sd root fs fine.. if i try to have it boot sda1 it sits on waiting for root device forever
[0:49] <[Saint]> I know. I read it earlier.
[0:49] <Tenkawa> once the kernel boots to the sd card it sees and accesses sda fine
[0:50] <Tenkawa> intriguing eh?
[0:50] <Tenkawa> tried messing with boot_wait, other adjustments i've used over the years,etc
[0:50] <Tenkawa> er
[0:50] <Tenkawa> boot_delay
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[0:52] <Tenkawa> not sure even trying an initrd would help although i'm thinking about it
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[0:53] <Tenkawa> the kernel isnt loading up any modules up after tbe fact(according to lsmod) so who knows
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[0:56] <OpenSys> Tenkawa, this is usb drivers
[0:56] <OpenSys> need a sleep 3 or so
[0:56] <OpenSys> do detect partitions
[0:56] <OpenSys> to*
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[0:57] <Tenkawa> OpenSys: yeah i figured as much.. you aware of a kernel boot option to force the sleep or even a bus scan?
[0:57] <OpenSys> no option for that
[0:58] <OpenSys> you just go in script that goes de modprobe or insmod
[0:58] * tonyhughes just discovered a Pi wont boot if you dd a 4GB image to a 2GB card. #sd_card-not_a_tardis
[0:58] <OpenSys> and put the delay
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[0:59] <OpenSys> see the lines in init script
[0:59] <Tenkawa> OpenSys: no module.. hard built into kernel
[0:59] <OpenSys> ha ha
[0:59] <Tenkawa> tonyhughes: hehheh
[0:59] <OpenSys> soooo you need other things
[0:59] <OpenSys> kernel hacking
[1:00] <Tenkawa> OpenSys i'm up for that.. will start tonight
[1:00] <OpenSys> but i dont know other options to help you in cmdline init boot
[1:00] <Tenkawa> hheheh
[1:00] <Tenkawa> no worry.. i'll figure something out
[1:00] <OpenSys> to delay de usb bus
[1:01] <OpenSys> see the modinfo
[1:02] <OpenSys> abour the modules
[1:02] <OpenSys> ha but forget it's build in
[1:02] <Tenkawa> yeah.. i'll look in the src for the opts
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[1:06] <RiXtEr> me llamo es RiXtEr, y tu?
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[1:15] <Tenkawa> just very odd
[1:15] <Tenkawa> 3.6.11 works great
[1:16] <chod> tonyhughes: 23:58 ha ha ha
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[1:31] <[vali]> are RPI images loop mountable?
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[1:32] <[vali]> lets try...
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[1:33] <ShiftPlusOne> [vali], yes, you just need to specify the offset
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[1:34] <ShiftPlusOne> use file to get the start sector of the partition you want, multiply it by 512 and pass it through -o offset=
[1:34] <[vali]> uhmm... offset to the ext4 partition?
[1:34] <ShiftPlusOne> Any partition, but yes.
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[1:34] <[vali]> oh, then there is a way to "shrink" big SD images assuming they are not full
[1:35] <ShiftPlusOne> multiple ways. I would just create a smaller image and move the files there, but there are ways to shrink them without recreating them.
[1:35] <[vali]> yeah, was thinking in "cp -a" the contents
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[1:36] <[vali]> too lazy to use proper tools :P
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[1:50] * tonyhughes has run out of USB ports and ethernet ports to power and network Pi's
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[2:04] * [Saint] has a 10 point gigabit switch he's trying to sell...
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[2:04] <[Saint]> Make me an offer, Mr Hughes :P
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[2:05] <tonyhughes> $1
[2:05] <[Saint]> 'lil higher ;)
[2:05] <ShiftPlusOne> [Saint], I'd take that.
[2:05] <tonyhughes> $1AUD
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[2:05] <tonyhughes> lol
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[2:06] <tonyhughes> Its okay, I have a wireless repeater here running DDWRT, I can hang a few Pi's off that
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[2:06] <[Saint]> this switch also has a bunch (8, I think) of USB2 ports for network storage - but, I can't say how well they work - never used them.
[2:07] <[Saint]> it even (oddly) has firewire I think.
[2:07] * [Saint] thought firewire died, but, guesses not.
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[2:09] <tonyhughes> [Saint] whats the power draw for the switch with nothing plugged in? (Im on a low power trip these days)
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[2:09] <[Saint]> No idea.
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[3:05] * IT_Sean looks around
[3:06] <[Saint]> Don't do it!
[3:07] <IT_Sean> don't do what?
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[3:09] <[Saint]> ...anything.
[3:09] <[Saint]> Its safer.
[3:09] <[Saint]> :)
[3:09] <IT_Sean> safety is overrated.
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[3:18] * IT_Sean releases several live tribbles into the room
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[3:18] * des2 releases poisoned quadrotriticale
[3:19] <[Saint]> Those tribbles are trouble
[3:19] * IT_Sean calls the SPCT
[3:19] * IT_Sean notes that that is the Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Tribbles, 'for anyone asks.
[3:20] * [Saint] releases Lil' Wayne into the room
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[3:21] <[Saint]> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UT5wi07X4AM
[3:21] <[Saint]> amusing.
[3:21] <[Saint]> Well - it would be, were he not a giant douche.
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[3:28] <[Saint]> Heh - this channel needs a list of approved pejoratives
[3:28] <des2> @#%#$ it does.
[3:28] <[Saint]> Ohhhhh - self censorship.
[3:28] <[Saint]> that's a kick for you. ;)
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[3:29] <IT_Sean> alllright you two... point bloody taken.
[3:29] <IT_Sean> I'd deal with the both of you if i weren't on the phone with a customer
[3:29] <IT_Sean> ;p
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[3:39] <oreth> just got my pi??? raspbian has been installed to an sd card???. is there a "getting started" guide for mac?
[3:40] <[Saint]> If the raspbian image is already installed - there's really nothing else to do.
[3:40] <x29a> oreth: run "raspie-config" as root on the device, then its up to you, what to do
[3:40] <ShiftPlusOne> -e
[3:40] <[Saint]> Unless you'd like to be more clear about what it is you want to do, or think you want to do, or think you should do, or need to do.
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[3:41] <x29a> [Saint]: nicely put ;)
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[3:58] <tonyhughes> Yay for RasPBX. Home phone calls now ring my mobile, whether im home or not, via SIP on my WiFi or 3G.
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[4:00] <ShiftPlusOne> nice
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[4:02] * Armand flicks tonyhughes
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[4:05] <tonyhughes> Armand how are you
[4:05] <Armand> I'm good. :D
[4:06] <Armand> One of the guys at work is really interested in the project.. he likes your menu system.
[4:06] <tonyhughes> Cool... it's just whiptail. Takes 1 minute to do from scratch in Bash
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[4:07] <oreth> there we go
[4:07] <tonyhughes> Thats the easy bit!
[4:07] <oreth> got it up and running ssh on my network
[4:07] <oreth> NOW TO TINKER
[4:07] <Armand> Well, we're (mostly) mad-keen on rPi.. so, I've got a few guys into my project. :)
[4:07] <tonyhughes> My missus doesn't know we have a PBX in the house now
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[4:07] <Armand> lol
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[4:07] <Armand> I wouldn't tell my gf st about what I'm connecting.. she doesn't care to know. :P
[4:07] <tonyhughes> It will confuse the heck out of her when her mom calls, and I answer it on my cellphone, and pass it over to her
[4:08] <Armand> Haha
[4:08] <tonyhughes> "Why did you call Tonys cellphone??!?!?!?!"
[4:08] <tonyhughes> "I didnt!!!"
[4:08] <oreth> how do i??? get apt installed on the system?
[4:08] <tonyhughes> "What the!!!??!?!?"
[4:08] <tonyhughes> oreth what OS?
[4:08] <oreth> raspbian
[4:08] <tonyhughes> Its installed
[4:08] <tonyhughes> already
[4:08] <Armand> tonyhughes, route the audio to a hifi.. ^_^
[4:09] <oreth> derp.. got it
[4:09] <Armand> lol
[4:09] <tonyhughes> Armand I have a bluetooth reciever on my home theatre.... and an Android phone....
[4:09] <tonyhughes> ideas ideas
[4:09] <Armand> Noice
[4:09] <Armand> I'm getting a new 'droid soon.. so I'll have some mobile access control with my own servers.
[4:10] <tonyhughes> Nice. Android is great.
[4:10] <Armand> Can't do .... with an iPony.
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[4:10] <Armand> I have an LG P970, but it's borked. :(
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[5:00] <Schuyler_> What is the maximum current that is safe to power a rev2 with?
[5:01] <ShiftPlusOne> Schuyler_, The pi will only take as much current as it needs.
[5:01] <Schuyler_> So hooking it to 4.6A is safe?
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[5:02] <ShiftPlusOne> The currents listed on power supplies is the maximum the supply can provide. Like a table that can hold 200kg doesn't make things on it weight 200kg.
[5:02] <ShiftPlusOne> If that makes sense.
[5:02] <x29a> yes, lawl
[5:02] <ShiftPlusOne> As long as I understood your question correctly... yes, a 5V 4.6A supply is great.
[5:02] <x29a> Schuyler_: do you have a picture of a PSU that can provide 4.6 amps?
[5:03] <Armand> If you're *drawing* 4.6A across a Pi though.. O_O
[5:03] <Schuyler_> I could take one. It's just a USB hub.
[5:03] <Armand> x29a, I do.. kinda. :P
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[5:03] <Armand> 12v solar plant. ^_^
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[5:04] <x29a> Schuyler_: is the pi powering something else via usb?
[5:04] <Schuyler_> No, everything goes through the Hub
[5:05] <x29a> im running 4 pis on a 3A usbhub, so one on 4.6A should be teh enuf
[5:05] <Schuyler_> mmk
[5:05] <x29a> Schuyler_: what else is on the hub? i assume, the sum of all devices can draw 4.6A
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[5:06] <pksato> 7 port HUB?
[5:06] <x29a> if there are big harddrives and usbcams, it might be worth summing them up
[5:06] <Schuyler_> Wired keyboard, wireless mouse, wifi dongle.
[5:06] <x29a> pksato: yes, howd you know?
[5:06] <pksato> maths, :)
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[5:06] <Armand> x29a, I'm planning on powering groups of 6 via USB ports wired to 5v regulators. :)
[5:06] <Schuyler_> x29a: I wasn't worried so much about having enough currenet. More having too much current.
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[5:06] <Schuyler_> current*
[5:06] <x29a> Armand: via that solar panel?
[5:07] <Armand> Solar farm, essentially.
[5:07] <x29a> Schuyler_: yeah, as ShiftPlusOne said, thats not how it works
[5:07] <x29a> Schuyler_: voltage is what you want to regulate
[5:07] <Schuyler_> Alrighty. Somewhere i had read something about too much current damaging the polyfuse, shorting board, etc.
[5:07] <Armand> I'm looking at building capacity for 60 rPi.
[5:07] <x29a> Armand: doing what? calculating bitcoins?
[5:07] <Schuyler_> x29a: Is that something you suggest I check? Or are hubs relatively reliable.
[5:07] <Armand> Hell no
[5:08] <Armand> Micro-webhosts. ^_^
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[5:08] <ShiftPlusOne> The polyfuse shorting the board at high current would be somewhat ironic.
[5:08] <x29a> Schuyler_: nah, thats just basic electrical engineering, the usbhub should be fine
[5:08] <pksato> 500mA per USB port, 4600/500=9.2. I never see 9 port USB HUB, 7 (8) port are more close.
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[5:08] <x29a> though if its a cheap brand, the 5V on each port might be unstable
[5:08] <Armand> pksato, ebay.. 10 port. :P
[5:09] <Schuyler_> Alrighty, thanks x29a and ShiftPlusOne !
[5:09] <x29a> no prawblem, hf
[5:09] <ShiftPlusOne> good luck
[5:09] <Schuyler_> Now if only I could get WPA2-Enterprise to work on raspbmc... lol
[5:10] <pksato> ah... 10 is possible to.
[5:11] <Armand> I've got parts in shipping, to create PDUs for my rPi project.
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[5:12] <Armand> 60x USB ports, prototype boards, screw terminals, etc.
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[5:26] <[vali]> uhm... it seems the tonyhughes recipe for RPI in qemu works right away :D
[5:26] <[vali]> congrats m8
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[5:28] <sixseven> Finally found a GOOD SIP client for Ubuntu - Jitsi
[5:29] <Armand> \o/
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[5:30] <bcgrown> anyone here using the Adafruit MCP230xx Python library? can't understand how to write a full byte to the MCP
[5:31] <Armand> Off to bed. .o/
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[5:38] <tonyhughes> [vali], thanks
[5:38] <[vali]> that will speed up my "project" a lot
[5:38] <ShiftPlusOne> what's your project?
[5:39] <[vali]> very minimal linux... thinking in less than 10 megs
[5:39] <[vali]> just a kernel, busybox and uclibc
[5:39] <[vali]> all from scratch
[5:39] <ShiftPlusOne> ah, simple enough with buildroot
[5:39] <ShiftPlusOne> ah... scratch that then
[5:39] <tonyhughes> Just added a SIP extension from the PBX my gf doesnt know about to her laptop, starts minimised, but screenpops CID on incoming call. w00t
[5:40] <yeik> lol
[5:40] <[vali]> the main goal is doing all from scratch, even the init scripts
[5:40] <[vali]> is not fun any other way XD
[5:41] <yeik> just trying to experiment with a dual flip flop and trying to get it to work as a shift register... not fun
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[6:17] <fr0g911> morning
[6:27] <Blueness|> Good morning fr0g911
[6:28] <pksato> I going to bed, but, pick up strong DRM (digital radio) broadcast from New Zeland (RNZI).
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[6:38] <fr0g911> how are you doing Blueness|
[6:39] <Blueness|> Just inventing useless things in my head lol
[6:40] <fr0g911> sounds like me lol
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[6:40] <fr0g911> whats the latest on your mind
[6:40] <Blueness|> just a rather vague idea with cloud devices lol
[6:41] <fr0g911> lol
[6:41] <fr0g911> yeah cloud stuff sounds fun
[6:41] <discopig> .dmqw
[6:42] <Blueness|> hello discopig :)
[6:43] <fr0g911> well ive been pretty good havent smoked anymore pi's in the past 2 weeks
[6:43] <Blueness|> lol
[6:43] <Blueness|> how did you smoke them?
[6:43] <fr0g911> or poe's
[6:43] <Blueness|> too much gpio with the wrong voltage?
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[6:43] <fr0g911> just sent 24v's to it
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[6:43] <Blueness|> ahh
[6:43] <fr0g911> heard some weird sound
[6:44] <Blueness|> was it over a signal line or vcc?
[6:44] <fr0g911> had 9 ipcams running threw it
[6:44] <Blueness|> yikes
[6:44] <fr0g911> vcc
[6:44] <Blueness|> never good lol
[6:44] <Blueness|> i need to buy more fuses
[6:44] <fr0g911> well i had a poe powering it
[6:45] <fr0g911> and the 9 ipcams
[6:45] <fr0g911> just messed up on where to send all the volts to
[6:45] <Blueness|> can't quite picture it lol
[6:45] <Blueness|> what do you mean a poe powering it
[6:46] <fr0g911> power over eathernet board
[6:46] <fr0g911> injector
[6:46] <Blueness|> interesting
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[6:47] <Blueness|> i've never heard of those
[6:47] <Blueness|> sounds awesome
[6:47] <Blueness|> i'm sadly still obsessing over how to power my pi
[6:48] <Blueness|> been over a week haha
[6:48] <Blueness|> having a wireless chargeable pi with some LiON batteries intrigues me
[6:49] <Blueness|> but sort of lacking the inspiration/technical knowledge to do it atm lol
[6:49] <fr0g911> well i use the pi's to work as dvr and motion detecters for the ipcams so i have to run power to all the ipcams in houses so i use one poe board to split 28v's to 3-6 ipcams and one more goes to power the raspberrypi using a regulator to drop it down to 5v's the same for all the cams
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[6:50] <Blueness|> sounds elegant
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[6:51] <fr0g911> yea but the first house i did i can still smell the pi's burning and fryed 2 ipcams
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[6:52] <Blueness|> if i weren't broke i'd do something more ambitious like that haha
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[6:57] <fr0g911> its pretty cool ; 28v-dc plug ========> poe injector 6 lan ports from the ipcams ====> switch 1 lan ======> raspberrypi 6 poe lines, ======> 6 lans into it and other 5 poe lines goto the ipcams and the other poe goes to the pi
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[6:57] <fr0g911> nvm that i was trying to explain how i do it but i had afew shots
[6:57] <fr0g911> just got done with a big job
[6:58] <fr0g911> its kinda hard to explain
[6:59] <fr0g911> watching the great outdoors
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[8:59] <gordonDrogon> morning ..
[9:00] <steve_rox> possibly
[9:00] <Blueness|> Morning gordonDrogon :)
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[10:10] <Fhl> Hi, I am trying to play several sound files through my Edirol UA25 on a raspberry pie, but I get "resource/device busy" when playing more than one. Is there a workaround? If I use the analog output it works, but then I have the dreadful popping/clicking which makes it unsuable, It is for a sound installation project at school. Thank you
[10:10] <Triffid_Hunter> Fhl: there is a firmware update available that solves the audio output popping and clicking.. I was extremely pleased to discover that myself just recentl
[10:10] <Triffid_Hunter> recently*
[10:11] <Fhl> really?! woaw. Can you direct me in the right direction, please?
[10:11] <Triffid_Hunter> Fhl: as for playing multiple sounds, you need a mixer such as alsa dmix or pulseaudio or similar. google will tell you more
[10:11] <Fhl> thanks
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[10:13] <geordie> my six year old boy went to see pete lomas talk at the vancouver hackspace last evening
[10:13] <Fhl> I had problems with pulseaudio and delay. Is dmix similar?
[10:14] <geordie> i couldn't go but his grandmother took him. he came home with cool swag
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[10:16] <Triffid_Hunter> Fhl: dmix is done within the alsa library.. never had any problems with it myself
[10:16] <Triffid_Hunter> Fhl: also, if your application requires hard realtime then the rpi is the wrong platform
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[10:18] <Fhl> Triffid_Hunter: Thanks, I dont require super realtime, but 1-2 second delay was too much. I will check out dmix! And the firmware update was a nice welcome :) Thanks again
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[10:19] <Triffid_Hunter> Fhl: yw, good luck
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[10:39] <Fhl> Triffid_Hunter: I used rpi-update and now it works wonderfully. Thank you very much. I can have 8 instances of aplay at the same time, which is perfect for what I need. You saved my day, thank you!
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[10:39] <Triffid_Hunter> Fhl: you're welcome, thanks for letting us know it worked :)
[10:39] <henrikml> whois Fhl
[10:40] <Fhl> Triffid_Hunter: The least I could do :)
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[11:24] <Fhl> Hi again. So suddenly while doing nothing the pi turned off and it will not boot. There is no signal on the HDMI port, but the red power led is lit. I have tried removing the SD card and no change. Does anyone have any ideas? Thank you
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[11:27] <Fhl> It has the newest firmware and I rebooted twice to make sure that it worked.
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[11:44] <Viper-7> SD corruption?
[11:44] <Viper-7> power off, apply fresh image to SD card (preferably fresh SD card if you have one handy), then try again
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[11:50] <gordonDrogon> and see if you get an green flash codes when you power it up.
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[11:54] <irgendwer4711> hi, anyone here, who uses a triac to control somethingt with raspberry?
[12:09] <gordonDrogon> irgendwer4711, I've used solid state relays.
[12:09] <Fhl> Viper-7, gordonDrogon it was indeed SD corruption. However, I have noe idea why. Is this a common problem?
[12:10] <irgendwer4711> gordonDrogon: which values has this item
[12:10] <Fhl> or rather, it was image corruption. Fresh image solved the issue.
[12:10] <gordonDrogon> who knows. some people see it, some don't. I used to get it very occasionally, but that was when I was overlcocking. stopped overclocking and not had an issue in over 6 months now.
[12:10] <gordonDrogon> irgendwer4711, do you mean what part number?
[12:11] <irgendwer4711> gordonDrogon: the electric values
[12:11] <gordonDrogon> CX240d5
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[12:11] <gordonDrogon> irgendwer4711, 3.3v in switching 230v AC
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[12:11] <irgendwer4711> gordonDrogon: with resistor before SSR?
[12:11] <gordonDrogon> irgendwer4711, no. they have one built in.
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[12:12] <irgendwer4711> hm
[12:12] <gordonDrogon> they're not cheap, but they are easy to use.
[12:15] <irgendwer4711> I do somehting wrong with the triac
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[12:19] <irgendwer4711> maybe the triac is too lame
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[12:23] <gordonDrogon> maybe you're not triggering it correctly.
[12:24] <irgendwer4711> got it, wrong wiring on the wire board
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[12:31] <wooy> got my first soldering done now. complete disaster
[12:31] <wooy> :)
[12:31] <seba-> lol
[12:32] <Viper-7> :D
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[12:34] <wooy> the tip got pitch black after 3 minutes and it fails to melt anything but ice
[12:34] <clever> the cheap ones can take a long time to heat up fully
[12:35] <clever> and if the tip is dirty, it wont make good thermal contact with the solder
[12:35] <clever> so it wont melt it
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[12:37] <wooy> well i got yellow sponge, not very helpful though
[12:37] <clever> usualy need to use a wet sponge or paper towl to clean it
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[12:39] <[Saint]> nah - steel wool.
[12:39] <clever> yeah, thats another way to clean it
[12:40] <Triffid_Hunter> wooy: it won't melt solder if the tip is tarnished because the thermal conductivity of the oxide is too low
[12:40] <clever> the good irons come with both a sponge and steel wool
[12:42] <Grievar> you want to use wool but ideally a metal that's significantly softer than the iron tip
[12:42] <Grievar> so it'll take the black crap off but not scratch the metal
[12:42] <[Saint]> Another good way of cleaning pointy/pokey type tools (soldering iron tips/srewdrivers/etc) is a small bucket of sand moistened with machine oil.
[12:42] <[Saint]> shank up the sand a few times and BAM - shiny tools.
[12:42] <Grievar> uh, machine oil on a soldering iron tip?
[12:42] <Grievar> doesn't seem like a good idea
[12:43] <[Saint]> WHy? the flashpoint is much lower than the soldering iron max temp.
[12:43] <[Saint]> it just vapors off.
[12:43] <clever> much higher you mean?
[12:44] <[Saint]> Nope.
[12:45] <[Saint]> I wouldn't want to be near any sources of ignition - just for safety - but the worst that would happen is a tiny little puff of flame.
[12:45] <wooy> ok, the black crap went of when rubbed with plastic dish sponge on the harsh side. Now i hope i didnt damaged coating (or whatever is so precious on the tip's surface)
[12:45] <[Saint]> The iron can get hot enough to bring the oil past flashpoint, but not hot enough to ignite it.
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[12:48] <[Saint]> I actually leave all my old screwdrivers that no longer belong to a set in said bucket. No rust for me.
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[12:48] * [Saint] lives basically right on the Pacific Ocean's doorstep - salt air eats *everything*.
[12:49] <Grievar> wooy: it's metal. A nylon sponge won't kill it
[12:49] <[Saint]> that sand/machine oil mix is also really good at sharpening spades/shovels/hand trowels etc.
[12:50] <Grievar> wooy: the black stuff is burnt flux btw. The way you avoid getting it is to A) avoid getting flux on your iron B) wipe on sponge as QUICKLY as possible after soldering a joint.
[12:51] <[Saint]> My method for that is "stab tip into an egg cup packed with steel wool"
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[12:53] <Jck_true> [Saint]: Ohh that explains it! . I used to stab my chicken with the solderiron....
[12:53] <Jck_true> It was supposed to be an egg cup....
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[12:55] <wooy> Well I applied some solder on the tip to make transfering heat easier on the cable joint.
[12:56] <gordonDrogon> what make/model is the soldering iron?
[12:57] <wooy> 12 W proskit with pointy tip
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[12:57] <wooy> the other option was 80W, which seem little bit too much
[12:57] <gordonDrogon> 12w seems somewhat weak IMO.
[12:58] <wooy> It was actually fine, until black stuff arised. I would have taken 20-30 W if they had it on stock
[12:58] <mgottschlag> a friend used to have a 2.5w usb soldering iron :)
[12:58] <gordonDrogon> you just need a damp sponge to clean the tip.
[12:59] <gordonDrogon> and use flox cored solder.
[12:59] <gordonDrogon> *flux cored solder.
[12:59] <wooy> thats what i got
[13:00] <wooy> first I tried damp sponge and when it didnt work, i tried dry sponge (read it is also viable option)
[13:01] <wooy> If you say so, I will give the sponge a try - will do my best to rub the tip under 500 ms
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[13:01] <wooy> :)
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[13:09] <gordonDrogon> it should only take a few quick wipes.
[13:09] <gordonDrogon> unless the coating on the tip has been worn off.
[13:09] <gordonDrogon> then you need a new tip.
[13:09] <Grievar> I always go joint -> wool -> sponge
[13:10] <Grievar> it stays shiny that way
[13:10] <gordonDrogon> I've never used any of the 'wool'/metal springy things.... just a sponge.
[13:10] <ripzay> just a sponge here
[13:10] <Grievar> gordonDrogon: Anytime I've used just a sponge my tip gets covered in burnt flux REALLY fast
[13:10] <ripzay> but a natural sponge
[13:10] <Grievar> like after a dozen or so joints
[13:10] <ripzay> not a synthetic sponge
[13:11] <gordonDrogon> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5zrgEDsxSQ
[13:11] <gordonDrogon> me soldering up a ladder board...
[13:11] <gordonDrogon> it's a bit wordy :) I talk too much!
[13:13] <drobban> gordonDrogon: at what temp do you solder?
[13:13] <gordonDrogon> about 320.
[13:13] <drobban> celsius?
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[13:13] <gordonDrogon> is there another unit?
[13:14] <ripzay> do you guys always put your resitors on the same way so that the colours are all the same
[13:14] <ripzay> or is that just my OCD ? :D
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[13:14] <gordonDrogon> my ocd too :)
[13:14] <drobban> hummm, I usualy solder at 260. perhaps that is to low
[13:14] <gordonDrogon> and it looks better.
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[13:18] <Gadgetoid> ripzay: Definitely! sometimes I get a resistor wrong when I'm rushing, and it bugs me
[13:19] <ripzay> i'd remove it and do it again properly :D
[13:19] <ripzay> resistors are so cheap there's no reason not to
[13:22] <Triffid_Hunter> ripzay: colours? heh all my resistors have numbers written on them these days :P
[13:23] <Triffid_Hunter> but yes I orient them all the same way
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[13:30] <wooy> shit, the tip gets black just from the air and i thoroughly cleaned it up before
[13:31] <Triffid_Hunter> wooy: yep, clean it then get some solder on it asap
[13:31] <Triffid_Hunter> wooy: the black should just wipe off on a damp sponge
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[13:31] <Grievar> Cheap soldering iron/tip. The cheap weller iron that was my first had a tip that blackened and corroded away really fast. My Hakko still looks basically like it did when I bought it
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[13:35] <gordonDrogon> wooy, family friendly channel - I know you're excited, but even so.... this is a warning ...
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[13:37] <gordonDrogon> Grievar, surprised about the weller - mine was 35 year old when it died - original tip...
[13:37] <gordonDrogon> and now I'm going to solve my out of bread error (by making some)
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[13:41] <wooy> gordonDrogon: things are getting better, It still isnt as shiny as some pictures on the internet shows, but it works. I will probably try the wool thing and see how that performs. thx for help everyone
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[13:45] <ChampS666> is there a player for fedora remix which can play 1080p videos?
[13:47] <jelly1> omxplayer prolly
[13:47] <Triffid_Hunter> ChampS666: omxplayer is the only thing that can play 1080p on the rpi as far as I know
[13:47] <chithead> currently only xbmc/omxplayer use hardware accelerated decode. there is an omx branch of mplayer but it seems to be no longer developed
[13:48] <jelly1> probably too painfull :P
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[13:50] <ChampS666> mh bad thing :/
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[14:01] <troulouliou_dev> chithead, even xmbc from raspbian use hardware decoder or only the one with dedicated xmbc disro
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[14:02] <chithead> just try it, the difference will be very obvious
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[14:08] <gordonDrogon> now life is fine. I have coffee and a hot freshly made bread-like something.
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[14:11] <gordonDrogon> Singin' Hinny if anyone's interested...
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[14:18] <nid0> very huggy-feely
[14:18] <CR_Sean> hush, nid0
[14:19] <CR_Sean> :p
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[14:33] <gordonDrogon> bake some bread :)
[14:33] <gordonDrogon> or scones..
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[14:47] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, ping?
[14:47] <StMichel> mmmmm, I'm about to bake some bread when I get home from work
[14:47] <gordonDrogon> it's great fun...
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[14:48] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Pong!
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[14:53] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, Ah-Ha... Know anything about the beagleboard?
[14:53] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Next to nothing, why do you ask?
[14:53] <gordonDrogon> er, beaglebone..
[14:54] <gordonDrogon> someone asked me about doing wiringPi for it.
[14:54] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: should be possible, although I think it has a wider range of OS choices than the Pi
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[14:54] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: I'm actually trying to get my hands on one, but I suspect I wont without spending money on it
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[14:56] <gordonDrogon> yea, ?83 + p7p
[14:56] <gordonDrogon> p&p
[14:56] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: It has /sys/class/gpio at least in Debian
[14:56] <gordonDrogon> intersting in their sales splurge - they highlight everything that people commonly whinge about the Pi :)
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[14:57] <Gadgetoid> The BeagleBone looks pretty horribly user unfriendly
[14:57] <Gadgetoid> Can see why people would like wiringPi
[14:57] <JohannesG> my brain short circuited on "horribly user unfriendly"
[14:58] <JohannesG> god damn double negatives (although i got your point though, haha)
[14:58] <Gadgetoid> JohannesG: I was waiting for someone not to not pick up on that
[14:58] <gordonDrogon> not sure I can be bothered though.
[14:58] <JohannesG> haha
[14:59] <JohannesG> god damn you Gadgetoid
[14:59] <Gadgetoid> Sorry, I couldn't not do that
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[14:59] <JohannesG> headache :(
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[15:15] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/128x64.jpg
[15:16] <g4mbit> just a short offtopic question: anyone can reach http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/ ?? seems to be down
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[15:17] <gordonDrogon> g4mbit, offline
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[15:17] <g4mbit> thanks
[15:17] <gordonDrogon> http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/google.comhttp://setiathome.berkeley.edu/
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[15:17] <nid0> close
[15:18] <chithead> http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/
[15:18] <gordonDrogon> urk: http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/
[15:18] <g4mbit> :)
[15:18] <gordonDrogon> their pastbox is pre-loaded with google.com
[15:19] <zastaph> proper name would be downfordownforeveryoneorjustme.comorjustme.com
[15:20] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: That's shiny!
[15:20] <g4mbit> damn... so i cat search for ET... no way i become famous
[15:20] <Gadgetoid> Need to get my LCD working directly with the Pi, I think softPwm will just manage to control the RGB backlight
[15:20] <g4mbit> *cant
[15:21] <Gadgetoid> Shame it's not compatible with the one you're testing
[15:23] <mgottschlag> gordonDrogon: that's an 8080 bus style lcd?
[15:23] <mgottschlag> (or whatever the proper name for these 8bit parallel busses is)
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[15:23] <mgottschlag> if yet, how timing critical are those?
[15:23] <mgottschlag> *yes
[15:24] <Gadgetoid> mgottschlag: I have a decent 128*64 LCD that doesn't seem to care how slow you shift out to it
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[15:25] <Gadgetoid> Can't remember which LCD it was, but I also got huge gains by doing some buffering and only updating the portions of the LCD which actually change
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[15:26] <gordonDrogon> mgottschlag, I think so.
[15:26] <gordonDrogon> it's an 8-bit bus with a readwrite line (tied to ground as it's a 5v device!)
[15:27] <gordonDrogon> there is a strobe line and a data/register select line.
[15:27] <gordonDrogon> additionally )-: There are 2 chip-select lines. each chip does 64x64.
[15:27] <gordonDrogon> so it's somewhat creative :)
[15:27] <gordonDrogon> needs 12 pins off the Pi.
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[15:27] <gordonDrogon> I can drive it at just over 100fps.
[15:28] <gordonDrogon> I could be much more efficient, but there's no real need.
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[15:29] <gordonDrogon> video I made last night here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBtS35qPmeo&feature=youtu.be
[15:29] <gordonDrogon> that's now in wiringPi..
[15:29] <gordonDrogon> sorrt, Gadgetoid :)
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[15:30] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Is 2.x up on your git now?
[15:31] <gordonDrogon> no.
[15:31] * gordonDrogon sighs.
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[15:31] <gordonDrogon> keep getting other things to do. spent the last few days sorting out my accounts.
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[15:31] <gordonDrogon> mostly.
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[15:31] <gordonDrogon> got a new book keeper taking control of things. aka wifey ;-)
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[15:32] <Gadgetoid> Not a problem, if you bung me a zip I can implement the LCD stuff
[15:32] <Gadgetoid> I need to write/port a driver for the 2 LCDs I have, as they're both popular
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[15:33] <Gadgetoid> Need more tiiimmmeee
[15:33] <gordonDrogon> I'm going to test the existing one too - I think there might be some timing issues that 1 or 2 people have reported.
[15:33] <gordonDrogon> I was thinking of separating out the peripherals from the 'core' wiringPi stuff too, but I'm not sure what form that might take.
[15:34] <gordonDrogon> saw an intersting thing about "copy & paste" programming the other day too - mostly from the arduino world, but I'm seeing in in the Pi works now too - in some of the wiringPi feedback I'm seeing.
[15:34] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: That might be wise, if it gets any bigger, I can't really unintegrate any parts of the Python library now though, but in future there's nothing stopping addon libraries being rolled out with WiringPi2 as a dependency
[15:35] <Gadgetoid> Ha, I'm guilty of copy&paste programming sometimes, often when it comes to the Arduino
[15:35] <Gadgetoid> But I pried into the LCD libraries and rewrote most of them
[15:35] <Gadgetoid> Their font drawing routines were awful
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[15:37] <murphycr> Would anyone know offhand a way to get ls to list files, one per line, with the full path?
[15:38] <gordonDrogon> ls -l
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[15:38] <gordonDrogon> er, no.
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[15:38] <nid0> that does one per line, no idea about getting the full path onto every result as well though
[15:39] <murphycr> darn
[15:39] <murphycr> I'm trying to locate a file in a directory tree, and grepping on the output of ls -R only gives the name, not the path
[15:39] <nid0> so do a find?
[15:39] <gordonDrogon> oddly enough I have seen ls produce full pathnames, but I can't find out how now...
[15:39] <Gadgetoid> Use tree?
[15:40] <nid0> find /path/you/know -name 'filename'
[15:40] <gordonDrogon> find /path/to/place -name foobar
[15:40] <gordonDrogon> or use locate if you run it.
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[15:40] <murphycr> Thanks :D
[15:41] <Gadgetoid> I like "tree"
[15:44] <gordonDrogon> Heh.. looks lime I got first post in comp.sys.raspberry-pi :)
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[15:50] <Gadgetoid> Hmm, my Pinout site isn't gaining any traction, drat!
[15:50] <Gadgetoid> Going to add the WiringPi-to-Quick2Wire pinout to it later
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[15:57] <BurtyB> gordonDrogon, that sounds so 90's
[15:58] <Viper-7> nRF24L01 modules for 80c each: http://www.aliexpress.com/item/4-8-nrf24l01-power-strengthen-edition-2-4g-wireless-module/775163724.html
[15:58] <rpitin> The first 5 seconds of Smells like teen spirit?
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[16:08] <Twist-> gordonDrogon: I think that's a consistent problem across every kind of development. (copypasta)
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[16:13] <LTCoin> https://isocket-creatives.s3.amazonaws.com/23cf46f5bef915b26f45ad5a31010e8a86164a73.png
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[16:20] <rpitin> LTCoin: yeah, same thing is happening in AU, its retirement funds seem to be an easy targets for the pollies at the moment.
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[17:38] <nkh> Hi
[17:39] <nkh> Anyone knows some open source dvr application for using on Arm ?
[17:40] <nkh> Like what shows multiple security cameras and records them and does stuff like this .
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[17:41] <jelly1> nkh: motion
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[17:42] <nkh> jelly1: is that the name?
[17:42] <jelly1> yes
[17:42] <nkh> jelly1: Thank you I look around :)
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[17:43] <nkh> jelly1: one of my friends had a real dvr and we couls look into it, we found that runs something named dvrbox and Sofia , don't you know anything about that?
[17:43] <jelly1> nope
[17:43] <nkh> jelly1: is that something commercial ?
[17:43] <nkh> hmm
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[17:43] <nkh> jelly1: thanks again :)
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[17:56] <spacebug^> to increase videoperformance in raspbmc is it sufficient to use raspi-config and overclock use one of those defaults settings ot should I try changing vaules for freq settings regarding h264/etc ?
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[18:33] <aaa801> gawd dam ddosers, always knocking at my firewlal!
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[18:37] <ShadowJK> o rly
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[18:42] <Davespice> Just read that Iain M Banks has cancer, probably won't see out the year :'(
[18:42] <IT_Sean> :(
[18:42] <Davespice> sorry, I know off topic
[18:43] <Davespice> Just taking an educated guess that his books enhanced the lives of a lot of people in this channel
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[19:15] <gordonDrogon> While I know who he is, I've not read any of his books ...
[19:16] <IT_Sean> I believe i've read some
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[19:20] <HazardX> how do I fix that the vast majority of stuff in the apt repository is untrusted? (missing gpg keys I assume)
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[19:35] <oreth> my pi is running super slowly on raspbian. Normally i'd like to run headless, but i just want to check out the desktop.
[19:35] <oreth> everything is super laggy
[19:36] <buzzsaw> what about running something like fluxbox and no desktop?
[19:37] <oreth> well, i'm considering using it as a webserver and an xbmc box
[19:37] <gordonDrogon> HazardX, which apt repository - the standard raspbian one?
[19:37] <oreth> i just wanted to test out the video capabilities.
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[19:38] <gordonDrogon> I run xfce4 on my Pi when I run up X - and chromium web browser is ... well, it's slow but surprisingly usable.
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[19:49] <arve> im trying to start chromium on reboot, but not before my wifi connection is up. Tried searching, but im stumped :(
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[19:49] <arve> anyone have a suggestion
[19:51] <gordonDrogon> not really - google for 'kiosk' type solutions maybe?
[19:53] <oreth> ugh??? when i vnc into my pi it starts a new desktop??? is it possible to vnc into the desktop that is displaying on the monitor?
[19:54] <gordonDrogon> arve, Hm. this might be of interest - http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=323650#p323650
[19:55] <djazz> oreth: use x11vnc? it can show the current lxde desktop
[19:55] <djazz> $ x11vnc :0
[19:55] <djazz> i think
[19:56] <oreth> it's installed with raspbian?
[19:56] <djazz> no
[19:56] <oreth> roger that
[19:56] <djazz> sudo apt-get install x11vnc
[19:56] <djazz> it wont be passworded
[19:56] <djazz> i dont remember how to set up password
[19:56] <oreth> no big deal
[19:56] <djazz> and you can only login once
[19:57] <djazz> it closes server after that
[19:57] <djazz> i think
[19:57] <oreth> haha lame
[19:57] <oreth> ok
[19:57] <djazz> read the help
[19:57] <oreth> will do
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[19:59] <arve> gordonDrogon: sorry; the problem isn't launching the browser.. Problem is running a command *after* my internet connection is up
[19:59] <adeus> vncpasswd
[19:59] <gordonDrogon> arve, there are hooks in /etc/network/interfaces designed to do that.
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[20:00] <arve> oh, thanks. ill look into that :)
[20:00] <arve> thanks
[20:00] <gordonDrogon> arve, however I've a funny feeling that Raspbian might have some sort of 'network mangler' that bypasses that stuff - I removed it all on mine and use the standard stuff.
[20:01] <arve> thats what i'm afraid of.. ill give it one last try. Not 100% sure what the guy before me did and did not :3
[20:03] <gordonDrogon> arve, the other thing you can do is put something in /etc/rc.local - that's run last thing in the boot sequence.
[20:03] <gordonDrogon> or do it "properly" and write an init script in /etc/init.d ...
[20:04] <arve> rc.local would be too early.. wifi can take 30+ seconds to come up
[20:05] <gordonDrogon> Hmm..
[20:06] <zleap> 30 seconds
[20:06] <gordonDrogon> if the wifi were being kicked off in /etc/network/interfaces then that would be the place - there are 'post-up' scripts that can be run.
[20:06] <zleap> i am sure i can boot up my pi login and use the wifi straight away
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[20:08] <arve> zleap: its a shitty dongle :{
[20:08] <arve> :p
[20:08] <pagios> hello anyone owning a c920 logitech?
[20:08] <zleap> a
[20:08] <zleap> ah i have the edimax one from amazon
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[20:33] <arve> well, i managed to get my hook running at the right time
[20:34] <arve> now i have to figure out how to launch the browser properly. Seems this thing runs "below" the desktop environment.
[20:35] <arve> or different tty perhaps
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[20:47] <pagios> anyone tried recording audi with the rpi?
[20:48] <IT_Sean> you would need a USB audio capture device.
[20:48] <IT_Sean> as the pi lacks any sort of auto goesinta
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[20:48] <pagios> IT_Sean: can i use the C920 logitech cam?
[20:48] <pagios> it has a built in mic
[20:48] <IT_Sean> Has it got a microphone?
[20:49] <IT_Sean> that should do. I don't know what software you would use, though.
[20:49] <pagios> yes IT_Sean
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[20:49] <pagios> anyone has got a webcam + mic working guys?
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[20:59] <Gadgetoid> Right, I need to learn the Quick2Wire pinout
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[21:06] <pagios> usually is it a heavy process for RPi to encode audio? microphone
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[21:09] <kkit> pagios, depends. are you compressing it too?
[21:09] <Gadget-Mac> pagios: You might be able to get some useful info from http://harizanov.com/2013/03/siri-like-voice-chat-with-raspberry-pi-keep-kids-busy-for-a-while/
[21:10] <pagios> i want to stream video+audio
[21:10] <pagios> so video is encoded already
[21:10] <pagios> need to encode now the audio
[21:10] <kkit> what format are you using?
[21:10] <kkit> if you're using mp3, LAME might not be the best encoder choice
[21:11] <dv_> it is if you want high quality encodings. realtime, not so much.
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[21:11] <kkit> which is why i said 'might'
[21:11] <pagios> dv_: i want only voice to be encoded not music
[21:11] <dv_> btw, is there any opensource realtime mp3 encoder? I only know of closed source ones
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[21:12] <dv_> pagios: look at opus then
[21:12] <kkit> shine claims to encode at an order of magnitude faster than lame on the pi
[21:12] <kkit> https://github.com/savonet/shine
[21:12] <OpenSys> web cam audio and "high quality" hum......
[21:12] <OpenSys> don't think so
[21:12] <pagios> dv_: but opus encoding can be done on the rpi? isint it too heavy?
[21:12] <dv_> we transcode music to it on a cortex-a8, cpu usage is typically between 10 and 20%
[21:13] <dv_> (thats because it has no arm- or neon-specific optimizations yet)
[21:13] <dv_> still, if it is voice what you want, I'd consider it. it has explicit support for voice
[21:13] <kkit> as does speex, but i don't know how fast the encoder is
[21:15] <dv_> speex is officially abandoned
[21:15] <dv_> http://speex.org/ says "The Speex codec has been obsoleted by Opus."
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[21:16] <pagios> hmmm any hardware encoding usb device that can be connected to the rpi?
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[21:30] <Gadgetoid> Curious. It must be intentional that the Quick2Wire board mirrors WiringPi's pin numbering
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[21:31] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, yes. no. maybe.
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[21:31] <gordonDrogon> I suspect coincidence actually. He just picked the first 8 regular GPIO's and numbered then 0-7.
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[21:32] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: scuppers my plan to demystify their numberings in WiringPi
[21:32] <Gadgetoid> But at least it's convenient
[21:32] <gordonDrogon> :)
[21:33] <Gadgetoid> guess I have no choice but to write some LCD drivers then
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[21:39] <windsurf_> anyone had any luck getting node.js working and any links to instructions? i think i read somewhere that there's some special linux setup needed
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[21:40] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, lcd drivers for what chip?
[21:41] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: PCD8544 I believe
[21:41] <Gadgetoid> The Arduino library uses registers to write to it, blah
[21:42] <gordonDrogon> 48x84 pixels.
[21:42] <Gadgetoid> Ah, it's been done: http://binerry.de/post/25787954149/pcd8544-library-for-raspberry-pi
[21:43] <gordonDrogon> SPI by the looks of it ..
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[21:44] <gordonDrogon> ah, that's the chap who did the fritzing diagram for the Pi too.
[21:44] <Gadgetoid> Gonna hook up my display and see if I can get this library working
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[21:44] <Gadgetoid> Should be portable to a wiringPi module if he gives his blessing
[21:45] <gordonDrogon> He's bit-banging a serial output rather than use the spi bus ...
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[22:04] <Tenkawa> well.. two pi's , two kernel confugs, so far no luck on my weird 3.8.4 glitch booting from usb root fs
[22:04] <Tenkawa> er configs
[22:05] <Tenkawa> just consistently odd
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[22:12] <Gadgetoid> This Nokia LCD is awful, but it works
[22:13] <Gadgetoid> The library needs modified to take pin assignments, and it would plug in nicely
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[22:20] <gordonDrogon> ok
[22:20] <gordonDrogon> can't it work with SPI?
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[22:21] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Not sure, but I don't think I'm learned enough to try that in a hurry
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[22:24] <zleap> tombrough, hey welcome
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[22:41] <michiwend> hi
[22:41] <IT_Sean> yar
[22:42] <michiwend> i??m searching for a relay board for my pi with a minimum of 8 (better 10) relais
[22:42] <michiwend> want to build somthing like this http://www.schusterjungen.com/projekte/initiativprojekte/mype/
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[22:43] <michiwend> one option is to use a usb board but maybe there are other boards to use with gpio?
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[22:44] <pksato> michiwend: search for shield for arduino.
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[22:46] <Gadgetoid> Drat, building and properly linking modules is a pain
[22:46] <monst> Id like to get 4 joysticks with buttons working on a raspberrypi any recommendations?
[22:47] <pksato> like it http://dx.com/p/8-channel-5v-relay-module-extension-board-for-arduino-avr-arm-51-140703
[22:48] <michiwend> pksato: ahh, yeap
[22:48] <michiwend> but is it possible to use it with my raspberry
[22:48] <pksato> yes.
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[22:49] <pksato> just need know logic levels differences between arduindo (5V) and rpi (3V3).
[22:51] <pksato> if need optical isolation http://dx.com/p/8-channel-5v-solid-state-relay-module-board-red-blue-121337
[22:52] <Gadgetoid> Raaaggee!
[22:52] <michiwend> pksato: ok, i found some boards similar to those
[22:53] <michiwend> pksato:
[22:53] <michiwend> https://www.google.de/search?q=raspberry+pi+irc&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:de:unofficial&client=firefox-a#hl=de&safe=off&client=firefox-a&hs=oVq&rls=org.mozilla:de%3Aunofficial&sclient=psy-ab&q=freenode+raspberry-de&oq=freenode+raspberry-de&gs_l=serp.3...8189.9667.2.9750.,or.r_cp.r_qf.&bvm=bv.44697112,d.bGE&fp=
[22:53] <michiwend> 7cd53171aed56104&biw=1600&bih=802
[22:53] <michiwend> ups, sry
[22:53] <bge> Somehow I got highlighted by that
[22:53] <michiwend> pksato: http://www.ebay.de/itm/270984095956?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649
[22:54] <gordonDrogon> don't get those sainsmart boards )-:
[22:54] <michiwend> but rpi is able to control 8 channels via GPIO?
[22:54] <gordonDrogon> michiwend, it can control 17 easilly.
[22:55] <gordonDrogon> someone needs to design a modular relay board for the Pi...
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[22:55] <michiwend> gordonDrogon: \o/
[22:55] <gordonDrogon> the issue I've seen is that the cheap ones from .cn (sainsmart) are just too cheap )-:
[22:55] <gordonDrogon> ie. cheaper than I can buy the bits individually.
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[22:55] <gordonDrogon> they're all 5v too.
[22:56] <pksato> the big problem is, these modules are poorly documented.
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[22:56] <gordonDrogon> and badly laid out from what I've seen.
[22:56] <gordonDrogon> people are connecting mains (230v!) into them...
[22:56] <michiwend> hehe
[22:56] <michiwend> badaam
[22:56] <gordonDrogon> I don't have an issue with that, but I understand what I'm doing...
[22:56] <gordonDrogon> and what can go wrong.
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[22:57] <michiwend> ok, but when rpi is able to control 17 channels via gpio i can make my own board
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[22:58] <pksato> 17 only using simple transistor drivers.
[22:58] <gordonDrogon> sure - go ahead. just remember it's 3.3v output. Use some uln2803's and power the relays separately to the Pi.
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[22:59] <gordonDrogon> if you're paranoid and want isolated grounds then use opto isolators.
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[22:59] <gordonDrogon> but relays and uln2803's ought to be fine - but do use a separate PSU for the relays - the Pi can only drive 1 or 2 5v relays.
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[23:01] <gordonDrogon> I'd use solid state relays myself, however...
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[23:03] <michiwend> gordonDrogon: how about using 3V relay directly with gpio?
[23:03] <michiwend> like http://www.pollin.de/shop/dt/Mjk1OTU2OTk-/Bauelemente_Bauteile/Mechanische_Bauelemente/Relais_Zugmagnete/Relais_Schrack_RT314F03.html
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[23:04] <gordonDrogon> michiwend, well... Tell me how much current it needs for a 15?? coil at 3v ...
[23:04] <pksato> http://www.ebay.com/itm/8-Channel-5V-Solid-State-Relay-Module-With-Resistive-Fuse-SSR-/330896464299?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4d0af759ab
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[23:04] <Gadget-Mac> pksato: Not sure if you'd want latching, but my blog post might be of interest http://blog.homelabs.org.uk/ciseco-3v-bistable-latching-relay-kit/
[23:04] <gordonDrogon> pksato, 5v inputs... that's the main issue with most of the relay boards.
[23:05] <gordonDrogon> michiwend, worked it out yet?
[23:06] <michiwend> gordonDrogon: hm 0.2A
[23:07] <gordonDrogon> michiwend, indeed. a bit more than the 0.016A avalable per pin..
[23:07] <michiwend> gordonDrogon: yes, got it :D
[23:07] <gordonDrogon> you need a buffer - that's what the uln2803 wil lgive you.
[23:07] <michiwend> ok
[23:07] <gordonDrogon> there are devices you can use directly though.
[23:08] <michiwend> ok the uln2803 is a transistor array
[23:08] <michiwend> then i can use 5V relais
[23:08] <gordonDrogon> http://www.crydom.com/en/products/catalog/c_x.pdf <- ones I've used in the past.
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[23:08] <gordonDrogon> 5v or 12v.
[23:08] <michiwend> ok
[23:09] <gordonDrogon> it's a darlington transistor array - with built-in limiting resistors and a built-in back emf protection diode too.
[23:09] <gordonDrogon> it's designed for exactly this application - driving relays.
[23:09] <michiwend> ok cool
[23:10] <michiwend> now i have definitly a lot more input
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[23:11] <michiwend> i??ll try to find out how to build a board by my selfe
[23:12] <michiwend> gordonDrogon: any suggestions what relais to use?
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[23:13] <michiwend> need to switch some low voltage electromagnetic valves
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[23:14] <Gadget-Mac> You might be able to drive them directly from a uln2803 without the relay.
[23:14] <gordonDrogon> not sure - you'll need to check the ratings - if they're solenoid valves they might work on AC too.
[23:14] <gordonDrogon> yes, but check the current - uln2803 has a max. of 500mA through it.
[23:15] <gordonDrogon> but a solenoid valve is just a relay...
[23:15] <gordonDrogon> I've not driven any of them for a while though, but the ones I used did get a bit warm, but I imagine technolgy might have improved.
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[23:17] <michiwend> mmh sure! i??ll search for valves that have lower currents than 500mA. good point
[23:18] <Gadgetoid> *facepalm*
[23:19] <Gadgetoid> Dratted .h file had a definition for a function that didn't even exist
[23:19] <gordonDrogon> oops.
[23:19] <gordonDrogon> one of mine?
[23:19] <Gadgetoid> I guess I should have clued in on it being called LCDsetTextColor
[23:19] <Gadgetoid> For a monochrome LCD...
[23:19] <Gadgetoid> Nah gordonDrogon, fiddling with the Nokia driver still
[23:20] <gordonDrogon> :)
[23:20] <gordonDrogon> enjoy - zed time for me.
[23:21] <Gadgetoid> Night!
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[23:26] <michiwend> gordonDrogon: just a last question :) i can use ULN280x directly with gpio. 3V is enought? On the cheet under "Input Voltage" it reads Vce=2.0V Ic=125mA
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[23:26] <Duality> hi
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[23:26] <gordonDrogon> one last reply: yes! Google for the gertboard schematics if you want an example :)
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[23:27] <michiwend> ok, thx a lot!
[23:27] <Duality> can't get audio with omxplayer through usb audio
[23:28] <Duality> but i can get a mp3 to play with mplayer
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[23:34] <linuxstb> Duality: Correct - omxplayer uses the GPU for audio output, and the GPU can only talk to the HDMI or analog audio outputs (afaik). mplayer uses alsa, so will support everything.
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[23:40] <azeam> linuxstb: there's still no way to get mplayer to use hardware acceleration for video though, right?
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[23:47] <[SkG]> azeam, right
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[23:51] <azeam> [SkG]: thanks, would like to replace my ps3 as media center but with my current economic situation I can't justify buying a HDMI receiver
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[23:54] <timb_us> Haha, so I bought a PiFace card from some seller on eBay. New in box, right? I get an email from him two days ago saying he may have mixed up my package and shipped the wrong item to me.
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[23:55] <timb_us> I get another email this morning saying he for sure did screw it up and that he sent another package with the actual PiFace. In that first package he actually sent me a Raspberry Pi Rev 2 B
[23:56] <timb_us> He emails me, "Send that back please, or I'll sell it to you for $35."
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