#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2013-04-04

Timestamps are in GMT/BST.

[0:00] <SpeedEvil> haha
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[0:03] <Gadgetoid> Hmm, I'm failing hard here, d'oh
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[0:16] <oreth> anyone have any suggestion on how to get raspbian to recognize that i have a wired 360 controller attached?
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[0:18] <SpeedEvil> speak loudly and clearly.
[0:18] <oreth> i tried that
[0:18] <Gadgetoid> oreth: try compiling this? https://github.com/Grumbel/xboxdrv/
[0:19] <oreth> i was like "Yo. Raspberry. This here is a 360 controller. It is plugged into your butt. Do you see?!"
[0:19] <oreth> in this story "raspberry" was played by my friend, James.
[0:20] <oreth> Gadgetoid: will take a look
[0:20] <oreth> thanks!
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[0:21] <oreth> should i try xpad first?
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[0:23] <Gadgetoid> Good point, never tried
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[0:38] <aDro> Hey, what's it called when you power the Raspberry Pi through the USB ports instead of the micro usb?
[0:38] <aDro> I know that has a name, I just can't remember it.
[0:39] <aDro> ... Back-powering?
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[0:53] <x29a> aDro: thats possible?
[0:55] <chithead> yes, the fuses on the usb ports have been removed from the original revision
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[0:56] <chithead> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/1929 "It is now possible to reliably power the RPI from a USB hub that back feeds power, but it is important that the chosen hub cannot supply more than 2.5A under fault conditions."
[0:56] <aDro> Back-feeds
[0:56] <aDro> That's the phrase that was on the tip of my tongue!
[0:56] <aDro> thanks chithead
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[1:32] <lee> oo, handy, 7dayshop sending me crap as per usual, but it contains a 720p webcam for ??13 (HP HD-2200), first google result is a thread on the rpi forums saying it mostly works under debian
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[1:44] <Duality> i get segmentation fault when trying to connect to mopidy (running on raspberry) with gmpc any ideas ?
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[1:58] <azeam> Duality: on mopidy or gmpc? What is the exact error message?
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[2:02] <shwaiil> hi
[2:03] <Duality> azeam: well i had switched on debug and the output is from gmpc mopidy doesn't crash.
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[2:04] <Duality> azeam: http://pastebin.com/nFN8URvG
[2:04] <shwaiil> Q: Can we install ubuntu server or centOs in a raspberrypi ? Tks for looking!
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[2:08] <kkit> shwaiil, there's no arm version of centos, unless you want to compile it yourself. as for ubuntu server, it'd be easier to just use raspbian, since it's debian.
[2:09] <shwaiil> kkit, thanks for looking! raspbian, it's still linux so I should be ok to install LAMP or NodeJs and so on right ?!
[2:09] <CR_Sean> raspbian is linux. It's debian, for the raspi.
[2:09] <shwaiil> this just came to my mind, know about raspberry Pi but I was think it was like the arduino initially
[2:10] <shwaiil> if I can run lamp and nodejs i'm getting one
[2:10] <asaru> i have seen lamp servers run on the pi with some degree of success
[2:11] <kkit> i don't know that i'd use something as big as apache, but it certainly can run various services
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[2:12] <asaru> lol
[2:12] <asaru> i didnt say it would be a good idea, i just said i've seen it done :P
[2:12] <asaru> i cant imagine it could serve all too many pages at once without dieing
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[2:13] <kkit> as long as you're not expecting impressive performance out of it, it would do fine
[2:13] <shwaiil> kkit, well to be honest I need to setup a local server
[2:13] <azeam> Duality: could it be related to this? https://github.com/mopidy/mopidy/issues/1
[2:13] <shwaiil> for web development etc.
[2:14] <plugwash> IIRC nginx beats apache at serving php DESPITE the fact that apache has an integrated php module and nginx has to use fastcgi
[2:14] <Twist-> shwaiil: And you don't own a reasonably current desktop computer?
[2:14] <shwaiil> Twist-, I do
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[2:14] <Twist-> shwaiil: Is linux/freebsd in a virtual machine not an option?
[2:15] <shwaiil> Twist-, that's what I'm doing but just wondering about the raspberry pi
[2:15] <shwaiil> less energy consumption, better for the environment right
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[2:16] <asaru> more energy consumption than running a vm on a pc thats already on
[2:16] <asaru> anyways
[2:16] <shwaiil> asaru, I dont want to keep the computer always on
[2:16] <Twist-> shwaiil: If you want to make an impact there, stop using your clothes dryer.
[2:16] <shwaiil> so ok I should not use a raspberry pi
[2:17] <asaru> lol no thats not what anyone is saying
[2:17] <shwaiil> that sounds like
[2:17] <asaru> by all means, let us know how the pi works out
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[2:17] <asaru> i'd be interested in hearing about how it performs serving pages full of multimedia
[2:17] <Twist-> shwaiil: I think expecting high performance out of the Pi shows that you may be using it for the wrong purpose.
[2:18] <asaru> all that newfangled jquery html5 etc
[2:18] <shwaiil> I'll get a machine to run the server, the raspberry pi idea is nice but from what I'm seeing is not the best answer
[2:18] <Twist-> shwaiil: disk speed is a particular problem if you're running off SD.
[2:18] <shwaiil> Twist-, ok
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[2:18] <Twist-> You can put root on an SD and everything else on a USB drive, but even that is slower than a desktop computer.
[2:18] <Duality> azeam: connecting to mopidy localy works (is running gmpc on the same machine, raspberry this case :)
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[2:20] <azeam> Duality: so gmpc works on the RPi but not when you connect to the RPi from another computer?
[2:20] <Duality> azeam: not when i want to connect with gmpc from a diffrent machine
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[2:21] <Duality> i mean it doesn't work when i connect from a diffrent machine
[2:21] <azeam> ok
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[2:22] <tonyhughes> Armand!
[2:22] <Armand> tonyhughes!
[2:22] * tonyhughes beat you to it
[2:22] <Armand> lol
[2:22] <Armand> Well done. :D
[2:22] <CR_Sean>
[2:22] <tonyhughes> And it wasn't even a script.
[2:22] <Duality> azeam: wierd thing is now i can connect from a diffrent machine ! :S
[2:23] <azeam> Duality: weird and good though, isn't it? ;)
[2:23] * tonyhughes is painting the new house. I wish I could make my Raspberry Pi do it #sigh
[2:23] <Armand> Talking of scripts, tonyhughes.. what do you know about PHP ?
[2:23] <Duality> azeam: yes ! :) and no in a way.
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[2:23] <CR_Sean> tonyhughes: well, you COULD. Build a paint spraying robot!
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[2:24] <Duality> CR_Sean: a paint spraying robot with a lot of ai ?
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[2:24] <tonyhughes> Armand, I can alter/fix/customise existing PHP at an im-still-in-nappies-and-drooling-on-myself level. Thats it.
[2:24] <CR_Sean> Duality: Yeah!!!
[2:24] <Armand> About 50% better than me then? :P
[2:24] <tonyhughes> bwaha
[2:25] <Armand> I hate coding, but I have a long-term project to consider.
[2:25] <Armand> :/
[2:25] <tonyhughes> *cough*compiled bash*cough*
[2:26] <Armand> Mayhaps.. depends on if it's capable of doing what I want.
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[2:26] <Armand> And, offering a web interface.
[2:26] <tonyhughes> http://www.datsi.fi.upm.es/~frosal/sources/shc.html
[2:27] <tonyhughes> link to shc - bash compiling tool
[2:27] <Duality> but it's pretty cool that i can now run spotify music on my pi!!!
[2:27] <Armand> tonyhughes, I'll tell you in PM, ok?
[2:27] <tonyhughes> sure
[2:28] <Duality> programming is fun is that bad ?
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[2:29] <tonyhughes> No, I feel the same way
[2:29] <tonyhughes> Missus is like "why are you wasting your time with that"
[2:29] <tonyhughes> While she is watching Coronation St.
[2:29] <tonyhughes> *FAIL*
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[2:30] <Armand> epic..
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[2:30] <tonyhughes> She was gobsmacked at a party on the weekend at a conversation between me and a visiting German dev, we got talking about the RPF and its charitable aims. She just had no idea...
[2:30] <Armand> ^_^
[2:31] <sam_nazarko> I am at RPF tomorrow :)
[2:31] <sam_nazarko> Just throwing that out there in case anyone is in Cambs
[2:32] * tonyhughes is jealous
[2:32] * tonyhughes I'll be in Hastings.
[2:32] <tonyhughes> Not the English one though.
[2:32] <Duality> can i mount my home directory to a external usb memory stick ?
[2:34] <tonyhughes> You'll have to plug it in first. But yes.
[2:35] <Duality> tonyhughes: it's already plugged in :)
[2:35] <Twist-> http://ccollins.wordpress.com/2013/02/04/how-to-mount-usb-disks-on-linux/
[2:35] <tonyhughes> You're halfway there then :)
[2:36] * tonyhughes is going back to his painting.
[2:36] <Duality> Twist-: i know how to mount a usb stick :) but just wondering if i could use the drive as my home directory :)
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[2:38] <Viper-7> Duality: mount it in the right place with fstab and it should be fine?
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[2:42] <sam_nazarko> just me then ;)
[2:42] <Viper-7> Duality: as for programming being fun - i used to (and still do from time to time), play around writing opengl demos/screensavers to "chill out" ;P just using a simple common basecode to take care of all the hard stuff, just building and tweaking algorithms to generate moving shapes, for no purpose other than to have it look cool
[2:42] <Viper-7> my housemates thought i was wierd >.>
[2:44] <Viper-7> i always wanted to compete in one of those demoscene lans, but they're in europe, im in australia :/
[2:48] <pksato> Some tryed to recieve digital radio mondiale on RPi? need a soundcard as input, and/or adequate radio hardware. http://drm.sourceforge.net/
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[2:48] <CR_Sean> you will need a USB soundcard
[2:49] <CR_Sean> as the raspi hasn't got an audio goesinta
[2:49] <Duality> Viper-7: cool :) i can't even program with opengl yet ...
[2:51] <Viper-7> if you dont know what i'm talking about by the demoscene, check out http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=1221
[2:52] <Viper-7> one of the first major hits, 13 years old, 64kb exe, still produces some darn impressive graphics, and a staggering amount of content (models/textures/music/scenes/engine/etc)
[2:52] <Viper-7> produced by a team of guys over a weekend at a LAN party
[2:52] <Viper-7> :D
[2:52] <pksato> I need to put my rpi on permanent box. To quick use. :)
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[2:53] <pksato> CR_Sean: or a SPI audio codec. or I2S.
[2:54] <CR_Sean> indeed
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[3:18] <Armand> lol @ typing html that I can barely remember. :P
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[3:40] <aDro> Anyone have a Canada.Newark Voucher for Raspberry Pi Accessories?
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[3:52] <yehnan> hi, The Mag Pi Competition April 2013: BluePi http://www.themagpi.com/bluepi Where can I find the answer of "Which number is closest to the number of components on the Raspberry Pi board?"
[3:54] <SpeedEvil> find pictures
[3:54] <Armand> Count them. ?_?
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[3:55] <yehnan> Armand: well...I will...
[3:55] <Armand> lol
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[3:59] <ParkerR> yehnan, Just guess and hope you are right
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[4:06] <NetBat> People: does the Pi overheat if left switched on for a long time?
[4:08] <Armand> Not had a problem with mine..
[4:09] <Blueness|> depends on cpu load i would assume
[4:09] <Armand> 44.5c at the moment.
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[4:10] <NetBat> So, no more than any other type of board then.
[4:10] <Blueness|> The Raspberry Pi is built from commercial chips which are qualified to different temperature ranges; the LAN9512 is specified by the manufacturers being qualified from 0??C to 70??C,
[4:10] <Blueness|> 44.5 seems normal
[4:11] <Armand> Mine has been running near constant since early November.
[4:11] <NetBat> That'spretty impressive.
[4:12] <Blueness|> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=23674
[4:12] <Blueness|> the post by dweeber is interesting
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[4:12] <Blueness|> really just depends on the case/ambient temperatures
[4:12] <NetBat> blueness|: thanks.
[4:12] <Blueness|> no problem
[4:12] <Blueness|> just curious myself haha
[4:13] <NetBat> and all units at present are mains power, I'd presume.
[4:13] <NetBat> (via a mains adaptor, of course)
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[4:17] <Blueness|> i wonder if power source even matters
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[4:18] <Blueness|> i would think the only heat emitted would be from the regulator/cpu soc/gpu
[4:18] <Blueness|> i guess the voltage regulators may get hotter as well depending on its input
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[4:18] <Blueness|> i want to see raspi liquid cooled as overkill lol
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[4:19] <Armand> Haha
[4:19] <Armand> Pointless, but funny.
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[4:19] <Blueness|> http://www.element14.com/community/servlet/JiveServlet/showImage/2-56016-87334/thermal_raspberrypi_video_playback_network_512x346.jpg
[4:20] <Blueness|> heat spots of the pi
[4:20] <Blueness|> pretty neat
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[4:20] <NetBat> Are there battery packs for the Pi?
[4:20] <Armand> Someone should TOTALLY LN2 a calculator. :P
[4:21] <Blueness|> a DIY processor evaporator pot for liquid nitrogen or dry ice cooling.
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[4:21] <Blueness|> had to look that up lol
[4:21] <Armand> Sure, NetBat.. I used 4x 12v deep-cycle for mine ^_^
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[4:21] <Armand> 10KG of batteries. :P
[4:21] <Blueness|> NetBat, i only know of DIY battery packs
[4:21] <Blueness|> i dont know about pi specific ones lol
[4:22] <Armand> Just need to supply 5v @ 1A.
[4:22] <Blueness|> http://www.adafruit.com/products/962
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[4:22] <Blueness|> yea i've seen a ton of things used to power a pi
[4:22] <Blueness|> popular one being tablet/phone charger packs
[4:22] <NetBat> probably costs an arm and a leg
[4:22] <Blueness|> tinkered with laptop battery was pretty cool because you can charge it with the cord
[4:23] <NetBat> costs an arm processor
[4:23] <Armand> harhar
[4:23] <NetBat> oh dear, look I've just done
[4:23] <Blueness|> yea i wouldn't waste more than it costs for the pi lol
[4:23] <Armand> Only if you get it wrong.. lol
[4:23] <Blueness|> though making your own PSU is pretty fun
[4:23] <Blueness|> just need a battery, voltage regulator, some caps/resistors/ and some wire lol
[4:23] <Armand> I hooked mine up to a solar plant.. 12v -> 5v -> USB
[4:24] <Blueness|> solar plant?
[4:24] <Armand> Panel + batteries + 12v charge regulator.
[4:25] <Armand> 20W panel, 4x 12v @ 7Ah batteries.
[4:25] <NetBat> or we could try a hamster wheel, with the hamster on it of course :)
[4:25] <Blueness|> interesting
[4:25] <Blueness|> hamster powered pi
[4:25] <Armand> Haha!
[4:26] <NetBat> doesn't sound very apetising, does it?
[4:26] <Armand> Would be even better if it was fed on berries. :P
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[4:28] <NetBat> I'm trying to establish whether the Pi can run a specific Arch distro
[4:29] <ParkerR> NetBat, Well it can run arch. You can more than likely setup the arch environment to be like the distro in question
[4:29] <NetBat> e.g. this one: <https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Arch_Linux_for_the_blind>
[4:30] <NetBat> or even this derivative of Ubuntu <http://www.sonar-project.org>
[4:30] <clever> that sounds like it would be usefull, since the pi lacks a built in lcd
[4:31] <NetBat> It'd be perfect for blind school kids.
[4:31] <clever> NetBat: the arch linux page says that its only x86, you would probly need to build your own fork of the distro
[4:31] <NetBat> when they were still making them, the average note-taker device for the blind cost anything up to $3000
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[4:32] <clever> even at 90% off, you can make a killing on replacements
[4:32] <NetBat> oh right
[4:32] <NetBat> hmm, wonder how one would go about that
[4:33] <clever> ive never looked at compiling every package in a distro to handle the package repo
[4:33] <clever> ive been more into source distros like gentoo, where that just doesnt happen
[4:33] <NetBat> So, tell me again exactly what needs to be done please?
[4:33] <NetBat> I mean at its most abstract
[4:34] <clever> basicaly, compile every package in the entire distro for arm
[4:34] <clever> and somehow setup an arch package repo
[4:34] <clever> and fix any problems that come from switching things to arm
[4:35] <clever> and build an install image from scratch using those packages
[4:35] <NetBat> right, so, a sort of job that usually takes a dozen or so dedicated heads
[4:35] <clever> ive no idea how arch packages work internaly, but you might be better off just skipping the entire package manager or arch
[4:36] <clever> install it normaly on a desktop, figure out what programs you want, then see if they are avail in razbian
[4:36] <NetBat> yea, and just make a basic OS with a few useful programs available
[4:38] <NetBat> say, slight digression: does anyone view PDFs on the Pi?
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[4:38] <NetBat> on windows the Adobe reader is very inefficient
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[4:38] <clever> NetBat: i use evince under linux
[4:39] <clever> havent tried it on my pi
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[4:39] <NetBat> I produce PDFs with MiKTeX
[4:40] <NetBat> (using TeX/LaTeX)
[4:40] <NetBat> would be good to see how the Pi fares with a LaTeX compiler
[4:41] <kaste> it runs (not fast) how much more is there?
[4:42] <kaste> if you want to watch pdfs quickly try mupdf or llpp
[4:42] <NetBat> kaste: That's precisely what I'd be interested to find out. :)
[4:43] <clever> i can also see those kinds of tools being usefull for the non-blind, its hard to read a 7" lcd while driving a bike
[4:43] <clever> simpler to just put on headphones and have it read things to you
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[4:43] <NetBat> Sure, if you configure your screen reader to auto read messages and what not ...
[4:44] <clever> and with the gpio, it can be simple to add a couple buttons, like one beside the gearshift
[4:44] <clever> so you can give it simple feedback
[4:44] <NetBat> mhm, what sort of feedback are you thinking of?
[4:44] <clever> i havent seen anything yet on how to turn gpio into a keyboard, but it doesnt seem that hard
[4:44] <clever> something simple, 4 arrow keys and ok to start with
[4:45] <NetBat> oh right
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[4:45] <NetBat> hmm, ok, so, we're lookng at a decent scripting API for the screen reader
[4:46] <clever> if it was setup to just type out <tab> and <enter>, you could cycle thru most gui's easily
[4:46] <clever> but ive also done something custom, and similar before
[4:46] <clever> the hinges blew on my laptop
[4:46] <clever> so i just removed the lcd panel, and kept using it
[4:46] <clever> echo $* | festival --tts
[4:46] <techsurvivor> has anyone used the new (well sorta new) 512MB version for an entertainment center yet?
[4:46] <clever> this lets the computer speak things from a bash script
[4:47] <clever> NetBat: and a simple bash script with read answer and case $answer in
[4:47] <clever> gives a menu with numbered choices, like a voice mail box
[4:47] <NetBat> I'm glad you mentioned Festival. I've yet to find a sample speech anywhere.
[4:47] <clever> i had options to enable the wifi, mount nfs shares, and play music off nfs
[4:47] <techsurvivor> festival is bit slow unless you keep it running and pipe text to it
[4:47] <clever> and scan for wifi networks
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[4:48] <clever> so it was an oversized mp3 player
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[4:48] <clever> and i could always hook up a vga monitor and use it as a laptop when i wasnt moving
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[4:49] <clever> doing the same setup on the pi, and monitoring gpio for the inputs could make it much more compact
[4:49] <NetBat> hmm, or hook it up to gps receiver
[4:49] <clever> but the ui would be entirely custom, not a screen-reader
[4:49] <Armand> Blueness|, NetBat: http://gallery.baked-pi.co.uk/
[4:49] <Armand> The site is still WIP, but don't mind that. :P
[4:50] <NetBat> What's wip?
[4:50] <clever> NetBat: if you had a 3.3v gps module, you could connect it directly to the onboard uart
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[4:51] <clever> NetBat: http://elinux.org/RPi_Serial_Connection#Preventing_Linux_using_the_serial_port
[4:52] <Armand> NetBat, Work In Progress
[4:52] <NetBat> cheers
[4:52] <NetBat> speaking of voice synths, check out the following: http://www.acapela-group.com/speech-synthesis-voices.html
[4:52] <clever> once the serial port isnt in use, you can run gpsd directly on it
[4:52] <Armand> I created the site yesterday. :P
[4:53] <NetBat> Oh, the Pi has a serial port too?
[4:53] <clever> NetBat: yep, on the gpio header, max of 3.3v on it
[4:53] <clever> not standard rs232
[4:54] <clever> NetBat: for input, you have many options, arcade joystick (meant to be abused), https://www.sparkfun.com/products/9182
[4:54] <NetBat> cool
[4:54] <clever> NetBat: keypad, https://www.sparkfun.com/products/8653
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[4:56] <clever> NetBat: and even https://www.sparkfun.com/products/10411
[4:56] <NetBat> thanks
[4:56] <clever> though that product is retired
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[4:56] <clever> ah, its also got thumb joysticks: https://www.sparkfun.com/products/9032
[4:57] <clever> but the pi doesnt have analog inputs
[4:58] <NetBat> USB mics then
[5:01] <NetBat> There's no fan in the pi, is there?
[5:01] <clever> nope, no moving parts at all
[5:01] <NetBat> fab.
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[5:21] <Armand> NetBat, I'm pretty sure you can get a fan on it..
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[5:23] <Armand> Or am I thinking of the Odroid ?
[5:23] <Armand> Must be... *derp*
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[5:24] <NetBat> If it runs happily without a fan then I'd leave it as it is.
[5:26] <Armand> Yeah, should be fine.
[5:27] <NetBat> something very appealing about a silent computer
[5:27] <Armand> Only reason I'm looking at fans, is because I aim to have 60 rPi.
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[5:27] <Armand> "Silence is the sound something makes when it's broken" *Armand* :P
[5:28] <NetBat> What's the 60 Pi?
[5:28] <clever> NetBat: http://www.inventgeek.com/Projects/IonCooler/Overview.aspx
[5:29] <Armand> 60 = micro-webhosting. ^_^
[5:30] <NetBat> ooh
[5:30] <NetBat> like a server
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[5:32] <Armand> Yes
[5:32] <Armand> I'm going to power the lot via solar
[5:33] <NetBat> do you live in FL or somewere similar? :)
[5:33] <Armand> Nah, London. :/
[5:33] <NetBat> oh blimey
[5:33] <Armand> Yup
[5:33] <NetBat> Where abouts?
[5:34] <Armand> Heathrow, but I'll be moving to Slough.
[5:34] <NetBat> #oh dear, never mind :)
[5:34] <Armand> ?
[5:34] <NetBat> joke mate
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[5:35] <Armand> Okay.. O.o
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[5:35] <NetBat> in reference to Slough
[5:35] <NetBat> I'm in Leicester
[5:35] <Armand> That's a joke in itself.. Slough = dump. :P
[5:36] <Armand> But, my employer is investing a lot of money into a new DC, so.. I want to be close.
[5:36] <NetBat> yes, I was about to sya, there are quite a few techie firms down there
[5:37] <NetBat> (and in hampshire for some reason)
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[5:38] <Armand> Well, we get REALLY good connections there. :D
[5:38] <NetBat> yea?
[5:38] <Armand> Yup.. I've been transferring some sites at over 300MB/s
[5:38] <Armand> But, that's not even close to our limits. :P
[5:39] <jroysdon> finally got my first model B's today, ah and dd just finished. Time to boot up for the first time! ;-)
[5:39] <Armand> w00t!
[5:39] <Armand> Enjoy, jroysdon :D
[5:40] <NetBat> how long did that take you?
[5:40] <NetBat> the 300mb
[5:40] <jroysdon> Curious how a class10 will compare to a class4. It was only a few bucks more ($19 for a 16gb class10, vs. $14 for a 8gb class4)
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[5:40] <Armand> NetBat, few seconds.. I forget the total size of the site.
[5:41] <JSchwag> Hi guys, i have a quick question for you. Is it possible to use the pi in commercial projects?
[5:41] <NetBat> not bad
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[5:41] <Armand> JSchwag, perfectly possible.
[5:42] <JSchwag> Armand are there any legal rules or obligations i need to follow?
[5:42] <NetBat> well, from what Ihear the Pi is a pretty nifty little gismo even suitable for a commercial project, but then I am no expert, so I shall refer you to our learned frcolleagues here.
[5:42] <Armand> jroysdon, I'd go with the 16GB simply because it's 16GB vs 8GB.
[5:42] <Armand> JSchwag, no idea.. to be honest.
[5:42] <ShadowJK> Depends. A 2009 sandisk class 4 is faster than a 2013 class 10 kingston, but sandisk 2013 class 10 is, in some respects, slower than a 2009 sandisk class 2.. (for OS use)
[5:43] <JSchwag> Ok, thanks a lot Armand!
[5:43] <pksato> JSchwag: on rpi site have a FAQ about.
[5:44] <JSchwag> Thanks pksato, i read that and couldn't find relevant information
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[5:44] <JSchwag> I made a request for a username so i can access the forum
[5:45] <pksato> only need to http://www.raspberrypi.org/trademark-rules
[5:46] <ShadowJK> My favourite card, the 2009 sandisk c4, has about 8 write IOPS 'raw speed', and does 8 wiops from 4k to 2M transfers
[5:46] <JSchwag> excellent thanks pksato
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[5:47] <NetBat> Okay folks, thanks very much for the help, really appreciate it. Bye for now.
[5:48] <ShadowJK> the 2013 cards have about 0.5 to 1 iops raw speed, does it at 4k to 8..14M, but some also include log-structured SLC caches that are very quick, at 100fish iops. the cache is limited in size and some transfers dont go to cache
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[5:48] <Armand> Also time for bedding.. laters .o/
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[5:54] <jroysdon> woot, wi-pi is working good too
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[6:02] <jroysdon> What command launches that initial menu that showed up the first time I booted?
[6:03] <jroysdon> ah, n/m, raspi-config
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[6:05] <mattwj2002> hi all
[6:05] <ShiftPlusOne> ey
[6:05] <mattwj2002> hi ShiftPlusOne
[6:06] <mattwj2002> anyone doing mythtv with a pi?
[6:07] <ShiftPlusOne> Google spits out a lot of info. I haven't seen people discussing it here though.
[6:08] <mattwj2002> okay cool
[6:08] <mattwj2002> yeah I have all ready googled it :)
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[6:24] <jimerickson> are we supposed to use rpi-update anymore? it keeps making my pi unbootable when i run it the last 2 weeks.
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[6:25] <tebruno99> My raspberry pi's x11 is stuck in GB mode. I can't type # only the brittish pound symbol shows up (for example)
[6:25] <tebruno99> any suggestions?
[6:25] <jroysdon> yup, run raspi-config
[6:25] <tebruno99> oh yes
[6:25] <jroysdon> change the keyboard
[6:25] <ShiftPlusOne> Only X11 or console as well?
[6:25] <tebruno99> done taht over and over
[6:25] <tebruno99> just X11
[6:25] <jroysdon> (I had the same problem and I had changed the password with an "@" in it via SSH)
[6:26] <tebruno99> one sec, its rebooting and I'll double check
[6:26] <jroysdon> (I couldn't figure out what was wrong, hah)
[6:26] <tebruno99> i set keyboard to pc105, English (US)
[6:26] <jroysdon> that'll fix it
[6:26] <jroysdon> Is apt-get upgrade safe?
[6:27] <tebruno99> hrm
[6:27] <tebruno99> fixed after this last reboot
[6:27] <tebruno99> maybe I didn't reboot like i thought I did
[6:27] <ShiftPlusOne> jroysdon, as safe as updates are in general.
[6:27] <jroysdon> aye, worst case, dd back to the way it was
[6:28] <tebruno99> jroysdon i've not had any issues with apt-get dist-upgrade
[6:28] <tebruno99> its just going to bring you up to date with the current version on the repo you are pointing
[6:28] <jroysdon> was rather amazed to get my pi up in just the time it took to download the img, dd it over, and there it all ways. wpa util just worked, very nice (not a Debian user, but I can manage)
[6:28] <jroysdon> s/ways/was
[6:29] <tebruno99> jroysdon apt-get doesn't upgrade you from say.. 10.0 to 11.0 (that doesn't exist in debian just an example)
[6:29] <jroysdon> ah, ok, but just all the updates for all the current installed items, right?
[6:29] <tebruno99> right
[6:29] <jroysdon> (gonna try the fedora distro next, as RH is what I'm used to)
[6:30] <tebruno99> jroysdon to "upgrade to the next release" you edit your apt repo list & then upgrade
[6:30] <tebruno99> or use some script or other. don't remember what its called to edit the repo list for you
[6:30] <jroysdon> ah, gotcha
[6:33] <tebruno99> i'm amazed how much faster armhf is over armel even for tasks you wouldn't think use floating point
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[6:46] <jroysdon> which is the default, armhf?
[6:46] <ParkerR> Yes
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[7:55] <fr0g911> morning
[7:59] <seek^126> morn
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[8:18] <JohannesG> morning y'all
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[8:58] <gordonDrogon> morning pi peeps.
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[8:59] <yehnan> gordonDrogon: good afternoon.
[8:59] <gordonDrogon> yehnan, it's always lunchtime somewhere...
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[9:05] <yehnan> gordonDrogon: and it's always breakfast time somewhere...
[9:05] <FlipFlop> night time
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[9:05] <yehnan> gordonDrogon: The Mag Pi Competition April 2013: BluePi http://www.themagpi.com/bluepi Where can I find the answer of "Which number is closest to the number of components on the Raspberry Pi board?"
[9:05] <yehnan> I envy those who can get BluePi.
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[9:23] <gordonDrogon> yehnan, count them!
[9:24] <Gadgetoid> Morning all for who it is morning
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[9:30] <tonyhughes> Hey Gadgetoid. 8.30pm here.
[9:30] <Gadgetoid> tonyhughes: Is that even possible!?
[9:30] <tonyhughes> 8.30pm tonight for you. I am in your future.
[9:31] <Gadgetoid> Are you on Baker Island?
[9:31] <Gadgetoid> Ah, wait, DST! that would make you off by 11 hours not 12
[9:31] <Gadgetoid> Still, mindblowing
[9:32] <tonyhughes> Yes, DST till this Sat night here. We extended our islands' DST by around 6 weeks a couple of years back.
[9:33] <tonyhughes> When every man and his dog was packing Windows Mobile 5.0 and 6.0 devices, which choked BADLY on the changed...
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[9:34] <tonyhughes> Soooooo we found out this week the names of our two main islands (home to 4 million) were never made official. (And they are *terrible* names). So now we are basically renaming 99% of our country.
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[9:36] <knoppies> tonyhughes, you in New Zealand?
[9:36] <tonyhughes> knoppies, yes
[9:37] <knoppies> tonyhughes, me too. Are you serious about the name changes? I should google that.
[9:37] <tonyhughes> Yes - serous
[9:37] <tonyhughes> serious
[9:37] <Gadgetoid> Is "New Zealand" changing?
[9:38] <knoppies> Gadgetoid, no. It is North and South Island.
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[9:38] <Gadgetoid> knoppies: Wow. imaginative!
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[9:38] <knoppies> Gadgetoid, I know. But at least I can remember which one they are talking about.
[9:38] <tonyhughes> http://www.stuff.co.nz/southland-times/news/8498715/North-and-South-Islands-face-name-debate
[9:38] <Gadgetoid> I'm sure you guys can find some lord-of-the-rings naming references instead!
[9:39] <knoppies> Gadgetoid, they want to change it to something like: Te Waipounamu (which I cannot pronounce, or remember)
[9:39] <knoppies> anyway, we should probably stop being offtopic. Does anybody know how to setup a ZNC (the IRC bouncer) on a RPi?
[9:39] <Gadgetoid> Waipounamu? Wipe on am you?
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[9:40] <Gadgetoid> knoppies: I'm using sBNC with great success on the Pi, but haven't tried ZNC??? keep hearing it mentioned
[9:40] <knoppies> Gadgetoid, any recommendations on setting it up? Is it in the package manager (Im running raspbian so apt-get) and if not where would I find it?
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[9:40] <Jck_true> apt-get install znc :)
[9:41] <knoppies> Jck_true, really? I thought I would have to compile it.
[9:41] <Jck_true> (I'm a quassel user myself - Actually running my Pi right now)
[9:41] <Gadgetoid> knoppies: I can't remember, it's been running so well for so long!
[9:42] <tonyhughes> "Deathcoaster" story from Facebook about Rollercoaster Tycoon: http://jonnovstheinternet.tumblr.com/post/46963881358/tastefullyoffensive-via#.UV0lOYcg8xA.facebook
[9:42] <Jck_true> knoppies: apt-cache search znc - Takes 5 seconds and results in "znc - advanced modular IRC bouncer"
[9:42] * tonyhughes needs to set up a bouncer too
[9:42] <tonyhughes> But i should really go back to painting the dining room
[9:42] <tonyhughes> knoppies, where in nz?
[9:43] <knoppies> Jck_true, thats what Im doing now, but Im trying to remember the password for my SSH key
[9:43] <Gadgetoid> "sbnc - an IRC proxy for multiple users"
[9:43] <Gadgetoid> Perhaps I should be using znc instead
[9:43] <knoppies> tonyhughes, Albany, Auckland.
[9:43] <Gadgetoid> And writing a guide about it
[9:43] <tonyhughes> Sweet. [Saint] is a kiwi too
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[9:44] <Jck_true> I love you people down under :) AU and NZ :)
[9:44] * Gadgetoid installs znc and znc-extra
[9:45] <tonyhughes> Any RPF forum mods here? Someone just went crosspost bananas
[9:45] <Jck_true> Quassel is still missing scripting through :(
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[9:48] <knoppies> quassel, znc and sbnc are all in the RPi Debian Repos.
[9:49] <knoppies> I wonder if quassel will get through the firewall at work.
[9:49] <Jck_true> Default port is 4242 - You can change it...
[9:49] * Gadgetoid is writing a tutorial on znc setup now
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[9:53] <knoppies> Jck_true, I dont think its port rules. I think it is packet inspection, because I tried to do SSH over port 60000 and it still refused.
[9:53] <Jck_true> Well - Put it on port 80 - And enable SSL--- That should be pretty close
[9:54] <knoppies> Gadgetoid, NICE. I'd like to see it afterwards. I actually want to start writing tutorials for things I do under linux, but was thinking of the best way to do it. Blogging seems feasible but not perfectly practicle. Writing a Wiki sounds like a brilliant idea, but then where do I host it?
[9:55] <knoppies> Jck_true, I was thinking of trying port 80 for SSH too. And yea, I was thinking that SSL might fool it.
[9:56] <Gadgetoid> knoppies: the tutorials I've blogged get soo much more traffic than anything else, people clearly need them
[9:58] <Jck_true> knoppies: Plenty of free hosting out there if you need it
[9:58] <Jck_true> knoppies: https://www.heroku.com/ <- Is free - If you can do static only html
[9:58] <neilr> knoppies - why not host your own? Dokuwiki and lighttpd work beautifully on the pi
[9:59] <knoppies> Gadgetoid, I feel as though blogging is not ideal for tutorials because most blog kits don't give you the easiest or best searching. Its more about "WHEN" you posted than the content (obviously some are better than others)
[9:59] <knoppies> neilr, security concerns me. I know enough to know that I know nothing. And I don't really want the traffic to rely on my home Internet connection, although that has crossed my mind.
[9:59] <Gadgetoid> knoppies: True that, but Google fixes that quite well
[9:59] <knoppies> Jck_true, I am aware of that, but you normally get what you pay for. I might have a look at heroku.com, thank you.
[10:00] <Gadgetoid> Wave byebye to -sBNC
[10:02] <knoppies> Jck_true, I can't find the "what you get for free" page on heroku.com
[10:03] <Jck_true> Go to the pricing page - And drag the "Web dyno" to one...
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[10:07] <knoppies> Jck_true, does it have to be static for that price?
[10:07] <Jck_true> Yeah you don't get the database
[10:09] <knoppies> I wonder if I could use file reading writing.
[10:09] <Jck_true> I suppose you could - I've only played with it a few minutes :)
[10:09] <Jck_true> Looking at making my own static html page generator
[10:10] <nid0> considering how cheap proper hosting is these days its often barely worth trying to get anything complicated running on free solutions
[10:11] <Gadgetoid> Setting up znc as a service is a right pain
[10:11] <Jck_true> nid0: If you suggest dreamhost I'm still gonna slap you :D
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[10:12] <nid0> if I was gonna suggest any host it'd be the one I work for, but regardless of specific hosts you can get proper hosting setups for what might as well be nothing nowadays
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[10:13] <Jck_true> nid0: Rackspace?
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[10:14] <Gadgetoid> Tadaa!
[10:14] <Jck_true> Gadgetoid: And onIPv6 - nice one
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[10:14] <Gadgetoid> Jck_true: That wasn't even intentional
[10:14] <Gadgetoid> I have a 4to6 setup on my router I think
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[10:15] <Gadgetoid> Must remember /usr/lib/znc instead of /var/lib/znc and the rest is simples
[10:15] <knoppies> Gadgetoid, link to the setup instructions please.
[10:15] <Gadgetoid> knoppies: Haven't written it yet!
[10:15] <knoppies> Im struggling to get quassel-core working.
[10:15] <Gadgetoid> To set up as a service, I more or less followed this: http://wiki.znc.in/Running_ZNC_as_a_system_daemon
[10:15] <nid0> Jck_true: no, a bit of a smaller outfit than rackspace :) - blackfoot.co.uk
[10:16] <Gadgetoid> Everything else is simple, just apt-get install znc and then " znc --makeconf" will step you through the process
[10:16] <Gadgetoid> Once you've made a conf, mkdir /usr/lib/znc/configs and cp ~/.znc/configs/znc.conf /usr/lib/znc/configs/
[10:17] <Gadgetoid> You can run the setup as the right user, but it's just hassle
[10:17] <Gadgetoid> And I also: "sudo chown -R znc:znc /usr/lib/znc" for good measure
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[10:18] <mowol> Hi. How do i add a module to be compiled with the kernel src?
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[10:29] <gynter> from the kernel config
[10:29] <gynter> s/from/in/
[10:30] <mowol> i cant see the module in menuconfig, its an external module i've compiled myself
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[10:37] <Jck_true> Hmm you can only get the temperature from the core right? I think I mis understood something about there being both CPU and GPU temperature avaible :)
[10:38] <knoppies> Jck_true, I think there are diff temps for CPU and GPU on the Pi. Although I would have to confirm that before I say anything aloud.
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[10:38] <red723> hello, i'm using raspbian but somehow audacious is not playing mp3 files but webradio is working (which is mp3 too)
[10:39] <knoppies> red723, maybe audacious is trying to play out a different audio out? Are you using HDMI or analog?
[10:39] <red723> no, audacious is not playing at all
[10:39] <red723> i'm using analog output
[10:40] <red723> webradio is working
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[11:02] <knoppies> Gadgetoid, I ran znc --makeconf ( a few times ) and it seems as though it hasnt saved the config. Where is it?
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[11:02] <Gadgetoid> knoppies: ~/.znc/configs/znc.conf
[11:02] <knoppies> oh wait, Im going to try your cp.
[11:02] <knoppies> thanks
[11:04] <jelly1> znc ftw :)
[11:04] <knoppies> Gadgetoid, my znc.conf file is empty.
[11:04] <jelly1> znc + notify my android is even nicer
[11:04] <Gadgetoid> knoppies: after completing --makeconf?
[11:04] <knoppies> yes
[11:04] <Gadgetoid> That's??? od
[11:04] <knoppies> it might be because I had no space left on the SD card. I just removed some files, going to try again.
[11:05] <Gadgetoid> no space!?!?
[11:05] <knoppies> Gadgetoid, yes. absolutely no space.
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[11:07] <jelly1> knoppies: df -h
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[11:08] <Gadgetoid> pacman??? dear lord??? pacman??? it's just??? awful
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[11:15] <knoppies> jelly1, I know, and it said 0
[11:15] <jelly1> knoppies: ah
[11:15] <jelly1> sucks :)
[11:16] <knoppies> its ok, I cleared my /var/apt/cache/archives
[11:16] <knoppies> now I have 87MB
[11:16] <jelly1> still small
[11:16] <knoppies> for some reason my 4Gig card does not work in the Pi. But the 2G one does.
[11:16] <jelly1> I recently made my / bigger and my /home smaller, it was super easy with gparted
[11:16] <knoppies> so Im forced to using that.
[11:16] <jelly1> knoppies: weird
[11:16] * jelly1 has 16 GB
[11:16] <jelly1> it'sa bit big
[11:17] <jelly1> still need to host/run something on my Pi, but pretty much everything already runs on my nas ;)
[11:17] <knoppies> it is rather. but thats ok, you should never need an external HDD or flash drive on the Pi.
[11:17] <jelly1> yup
[11:17] <knoppies> jelly1, could use the Pi as home automation or LED controller.
[11:17] <jelly1> knoppies: yeah
[11:17] <knoppies> or data collector / logger.
[11:17] <knoppies> or remote GPS logger (for your car)
[11:17] * jelly1 doesn't own a car
[11:18] <knoppies> then spy on someone else's
[11:18] <jelly1> as presentation device it's nice
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[11:25] <Jck_true> Display PDF datasheets where you scroll through the pages using an old IR remote :)
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[11:34] * ShadowJK is planning to migrate his datalogging to Pi
[11:34] <Jck_true> Hmm could someone who has their pi connected to a hdmi display/tv run tvservice -s and paste the output?
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[11:36] <neilr> neil@raspberrypi ~ $ tvservice -s
[11:36] <neilr> state 0x12000a [HDMI DMT (68) RGB full 16:10], 1920x1200 @ 60Hz, progressive
[11:37] <Jck_true> Gotcha :)
[11:37] <RaTTuS|BIG> state 0x120016 [DVI RGB full 16:10], 1920x1200 @ 60Hz, progressive
[11:37] <RaTTuS|BIG> <dvi monitor
[11:37] <Jck_true> RaTTuS|BIG: Yeah it was the DVI/HDMI I had to see the difference with :)
[11:38] <RaTTuS|BIG> kk
[11:39] <Jck_true> And I can't se the source of tvservice :(
[11:39] <Gadgetoid> Driving LEDBorg with WiringPi in Python: http://pi.gadgetoid.com/pinout/ledborg
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[11:42] <Jck_true> I suppose I haven't been lucky enough for somebody to discover the bitmasks for the tvservice state ?
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[11:46] <mowol> if i make the kernel source, will the commands such as make prepare and make prepare scripts also be run?
[11:47] <pagios> anyone using C920 cam?
[11:47] <troulouliou_dev> hi is it possible to shut on/off the 5 volt supply on one of the usb port ?
[11:48] <ShiftPlusOne> Not in software, no.
[11:48] <Jck_true> troulouliou_dev: Yank the power supply....
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[11:49] <ShiftPlusOne> That comes straight from the 5v line that powers everything else. So, without modifying the hardware, it's not going to happen.
[11:49] <troulouliou_dev> Jck_true, i have a fan powered by usb ; butit make a lot of noise and i would like it to be powered only when light is off ; i havea phototransitor
[11:49] <troulouliou_dev> ShiftPlusOne, ha ok ;
[11:50] <troulouliou_dev> can i just cut the 5v cable between the usbport and the fan and wire a photo trzasistor there ?
[11:50] <troulouliou_dev> or it will burn
[11:51] <Jck_true> troulouliou_dev: Depends on the specs
[11:51] <ShiftPlusOne> I am not too familiar with phototransistors, but check the datasheet and make sure things would operate properly. I am guessing you'll need to throw in some more components
[11:51] <troulouliou_dev> Jck_true, it allow 5 v
[11:51] <Jck_true> troulouliou_dev: How much current?
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[11:53] <Jck_true> and equally importantly - How much current does that fan pull...
[11:53] <Jck_true> Otherwise just use the GPIO pins with two NPN transistors and a few resistors
[11:54] <Jck_true> "Git is fast" - Hell no it isn't....
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[11:55] <troulouliou_dev> Jck_true, don't have the fan here but if the current pulled by the fan is bigger then the transistor
[11:55] <troulouliou_dev> Jck_true, what cn i do ?
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[11:55] <troulouliou_dev> switch a more powerfull transistor with the photo one ?
[11:56] <Jck_true> Yes :)
[11:57] <troulouliou_dev> Jck_true, ok understood
[11:57] <troulouliou_dev> thanks
[11:57] <Jck_true> troulouliou_dev: But why you even wanna a use a raspberry pi for this?
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[11:58] <Jck_true> If you're controlling it with a photodiode anyway....
[11:58] <troulouliou_dev> Jck_true, ha this is the usbfan that cool my pi server at home :)
[11:59] <troulouliou_dev> Jck_true, it is used at 100% almost all the day and need to cool it a little :)
[11:59] <Jck_true> troulouliou_dev: 2 things - The pi doesn't need cooling
[11:59] <Jck_true> secondly - You should control the fan from a GPIO pin
[12:00] <Jck_true> Not from a phototransistor.... :|
[12:00] <neilr> I hooked a fan up to a gertboard, and controlled it from the temperature readings from a DS18B20 attached to a pi
[12:00] <StMichel> If you really wanted to do it, you should have a script monitoring the temperature and driving the fan based on that.
[12:01] <troulouliou_dev> Jck_true, ha i only want to switch on when light is turned off; when turned on i m in the room wth conditioner :)
[12:01] <kaste> What are you guys using to watch your pis? Syslog? munin?
[12:01] <Jck_true> troulouliou_dev: Do both - Leave the photoresistor on an input pin fan on an output in
[12:02] <troulouliou_dev> StMichel, bbut the pin are 3.3 volt ;i need to switch atransistor to allow 5v to thefanthen from the 5v pin then ?
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[12:02] <Jck_true> troulouliou_dev: Yes
[12:03] <troulouliou_dev> Jck_true, yes evenbetter in fact :)
[12:03] <troulouliou_dev> almost noob here :)
[12:03] <troulouliou_dev> cool thanks
[12:03] <Jck_true> You would need it anyway - I doubt your phototransistor would drive the 100mA (or possibly more) that your fan needs
[12:03] <ShiftPlusOne> I have a feeling you should not be drawing the current for the fan from a pi.
[12:03] <ShiftPlusOne> How much do these fans draw?
[12:03] <azeam> kaste: I'm using a slightly modified version of cron-apt
[12:03] <troulouliou_dev> ShiftPlusOne, don't knwo it is at home but im alreading powering through usb
[12:04] <ShiftPlusOne> troulouliou_dev, ah, backfeeding or not?
[12:04] <azeam> kaste: sorry, I meant logwatch :)
[12:04] <neilr> That's why I used the gertboard - it can supply four amps through the motor controller. Still blew the fuse though :-/
[12:04] <troulouliou_dev> ShiftPlusOne, what does it mean :)
[12:04] <timb_us> 78345(A)AAQQ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ = b bbbbb bbbvv..'
[12:04] <ShiftPlusOne> timb_us, well said
[12:05] <troulouliou_dev> ShiftPlusOne, backfeeding cause fan is an inductor or i don't get it ?
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[12:05] <ShiftPlusOne> troulouliou_dev, do you have anything plugged into your pi's power input (microusb)?
[12:05] <pagios> anyone using C920 cam?
[12:06] <ShiftPlusOne> or is it being backfed by the hub?
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[12:06] <troulouliou_dev> ShiftPlusOne, ha yes and i also have a usb hard drive on firstusb that is powered by distinct alimentation from the microusb
[12:07] <kaste> azeam: thanks i'll have a look
[12:07] <troulouliou_dev> ShiftPlusOne, ha ok i remember knwo that when pluggin the usb disk it somehow allow to switch the pi on
[12:07] <troulouliou_dev> without micro usb power
[12:07] <troulouliou_dev> so backfeeding yes :)
[12:07] <troulouliou_dev> with a 1A alimentation btw
[12:08] <ShiftPlusOne> Not sure if I deciphered all of that, but if you are backfeeding, you don't need to worry too much about current you're drawing from the 5v rail.
[12:09] <troulouliou_dev> ShiftPlusOne, ok :)
[12:09] <troulouliou_dev> ShiftPlusOne, just notice that backfeeding is notmandatory when a powered usbdisk is plugged
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[12:23] <timb_us> ShiftPlusOne Haha, sorry about that. I uh, fell asleep sitting up at my desk.
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[12:24] <ShiftPlusOne> Ah, I thought we were talking to your cat there.
[12:25] <PyDon> Hi@all
[12:26] <PyDon> i own my first raspberry and have a question. I wrote a simple hello world kernel and try to use the newlib (replace for the std lib on bare metal) and try to link it
[12:26] <PyDon> did anyone of you did something like that before?
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[12:27] <messa4> how many bogomips rpi does have?
[12:28] <PyDon> about 464
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[12:28] <messa4> wow. thats slow
[12:28] <mgottschlag> PyDon: only for x86/x86_64
[12:28] <messa4> does it support sun(oracle) java?
[12:29] <x29a> i think someone ran a minecraft server, so id assume: yes
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[12:29] <PyDon> messa4: yes
[12:29] <Hoerie> there's a hardfloat jdk for the pi from oracle
[12:29] <PyDon> on a rip you can actually run a lot
[12:29] <Hoerie> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=32975&p=282680 <-- on bogomips
[12:30] <messa4> what kind of SATA speeds are supported via the rpi controller?
[12:30] <messa4> or its ide?
[12:30] <PyDon> did anyone wrote software for rip on bare metal?
[12:31] <StMichel> messa4: there is no such controller
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[12:32] <messa4> what are u talking about :) so i cant connect IDe or SATA hdd to rpi? :O
[12:32] <StMichel> True.
[12:32] <Hoerie> only via usb
[12:32] <messa4> good lord
[12:32] <Hoerie> i.e. indirectly
[12:32] <PyDon> messa4: rip is a small computer, no mac mini :)
[12:32] <PyDon> even effective
[12:32] <PyDon> what do you expect from a credit card? :-P
[12:33] <messa4> i always though that there is ide style flash card connector on rpi
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[12:33] <kaste> na that would be more of a dockstar
[12:33] <troulouliou_dev> is there any revision planned with dualcore in the incoming month or is the revb2 the standard for years
[12:33] <ShiftPlusOne> troulouliou_dev, no
[12:33] <messa4> so main memory is just ROM/flash CHIP mounted on surface?
[12:34] <nid0> memory, or storage?
[12:34] <messa4> storage
[12:34] <nid0> if the latter, the device has no user accessible storage built in
[12:34] <nid0> its main storage is an sd card
[12:34] <troulouliou_dev> ShiftPlusOne, revb will be here for a while then ?
[12:34] <messa4> to what interface this SD card is connected then? not ide?
[12:34] <ShiftPlusOne> troulouliou_dev, yup.
[12:35] <troulouliou_dev> ok nice
[12:35] <kaste> messa4: usb
[12:35] <kaste> at least as far as the bus topology is concerned
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[12:36] <ShiftPlusOne> troulouliou_dev, if they were working on a new board I don't think they would announce it until it was almost done anyway. However, they're focusing on optimizing the software and working on the education goals of the RPF rather than the hwardware. So, the idea is to get all the performance they can out of the current hardware.
[12:36] <messa4> whats the typical [real life! dd if=/dev/random of=/tmp/random bs=1M count=256 ] speeds of transfer?
[12:37] <ShiftPlusOne> messa4, depends on your clock settings and sd card.
[12:37] <kaste> of=file on sd right?
[12:37] <messa4> ShiftPlusOne: i just need some typical number. 1gb/s 1mb/s ? 1kb/s ?
[12:37] <azeam> if = in of = out
[12:37] <kaste> also if=/dev/urandom otherwise you are entropybound
[12:37] <troulouliou_dev> ShiftPlusOne, ok
[12:37] <messa4> u know what i mean :)
[12:38] <ShiftPlusOne> messa4, in the mb range
[12:38] <StMichel> If you buy class 6 SD card, that should be around 6 MB/s
[12:38] <kaste> oh I overlooked the /tmp sorry
[12:38] <azeam> messa4: copying 4gb with dd and bs=1M to my sd card takes around 20 minutes
[12:38] <nid0> you will generally get around 20MB/s through a pi with a decent SD card
[12:38] <azeam> class 4
[12:38] <ShiftPlusOne> messa4, https://dl.dropbox.com/u/175702/shiftplusone_sd_speed_test_with_iozone.png
[12:39] <messa4> so disk swap is possible at reasonable speed?
[12:39] <nid0> most decent class 6's are higher than that, and thats about where the pi itself tops out
[12:39] <Jck_true> 10-15mb on a low end card :)
[12:39] <adeus> I just wrote a class 10 card, took 7m1.389s
[12:39] <messa4> ShiftPlusOne: 4 512 16k its blocksize?
[12:39] <adeus> I happened to time it :)
[12:39] <Jck_true> 8MB on the cheapest microsd card money could buy at your local store...
[12:40] <messa4> ok and what about typical external usb HDD drive? just give me exmaples what u got hehe
[12:40] <ShiftPlusOne> messa4, probably, yeah.
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[12:40] <nid0> a big question with external hdds is how you'll be accessing them
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[12:41] <nid0> if you're doing so over the network its going to be *very* slow
[12:41] <messa4> i mean over usb
[12:41] <nid0> because the pi's ethernet port is on the usb
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[12:41] <messa4> i mean drives that u connect to usb port
[12:41] <nid0> yes but accessing it how, directly on the pi or for example shared by the pi via nfs/cifs over the network?
[12:42] <messa4> directly on pi
[12:42] <nid0> then itll be roughly equivilent to any other usb host the disk in question is plugged into
[12:42] <messa4> so similar transfer speeds like with SD card?
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[12:43] <nid0> well, you can get higher burst/sequential speeds if the disk in question is decent
[12:43] <messa4> i asking about low grade hardware :)
[12:43] <messa4> just typical stuff
[12:43] <nid0> then your speeds will be as low as whatever crummy slow disk you're using
[12:43] <messa4> any numbers?
[12:44] <nid0> well no, I dont know what external drive you're using
[12:44] <messa4> ok
[12:44] <messa4> is DMA supported for drives/sd cards?
[12:44] <neilr> messa4: I've got an old 650GB WD external USB drive on one of my pis. Works just fine. Never benchmarked it, but I've never had to worry about performance
[12:45] <messa4> ok
[12:45] <messa4> im askig coz i was thinking about running freenet server on it
[12:45] <kaste> I actually run an nfs root and it's not too bad either
[12:46] <messa4> which require java and A LOT of IO operations on hdd
[12:46] <nid0> so you in fact would be accessing the data over the network
[12:47] <messa4> most stupid question ever: will i be able to play movie with mplayer and display output on analogue TV output thing?
[12:48] <ShiftPlusOne> mplayer doesn't support hardware acceleration, so it's not the way to go. I am pretty sure you could with omxplayer though.
[12:48] <messa4> nid0: no i would run it all locally. no nfs no nothing. just usb drive connected to rpi
[12:48] <nid0> so whats the point of a freenet server that isnt accessible to the outside world
[12:48] <messa4> nid0: whatu mean? u want to say that rpi have jsut SINGLE usb output/input ?
[12:49] <nid0> in terms of data transfer, yes. if you're passing data traffic over the network to/from a usb drive you're going to murder your transfer speeds
[12:50] <messa4> so it doesnt have external ethernet port?
[12:50] <red723> omxplayer works fantastic, also on analogue TV
[12:50] <StMichel> yes, but connected via usb bus
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[12:50] <azeam> it has a single usb bus, to which (on the rev B) the ethernet port as well as the two usb ports are connected
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[12:51] <messa4> short question then: if i will buy rpi tommorow - will i be able to connect ethernet into it without any other hardware/dongles/whatever?
[12:51] <nid0> if you buy a model b, ofc
[12:51] <pagios> anyone using C920 cam?
[12:51] <ShiftPlusOne> messa4, yes
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[12:52] <ShiftPlusOne> pagios, That's a very specific question... you might have better luck on the forum.
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[12:53] <messa4> so all sub devices are sharing single bus?
[12:54] <nid0> both usb ports and the ethernet port, yes
[12:55] <messa4> so its useless
[12:55] <messa4> i will buy mini mac
[12:55] <azeam> useless in what way?
[12:55] <messa4> just kidding :D
[12:56] <kaste> if you get on for that price, please share a link
[12:56] <kaste> i'll take a couple as well :p
[12:56] <messa4> does rpi come with power adapter?
[12:56] <nid0> no
[12:56] <messa4> :(
[12:56] <messa4> so in total it would cost me like 50GBP :(
[12:57] <messa4> and i bought my desktop [used] for 120..
[12:57] <nid0> you dont have spare usb cables lying around?
[12:57] <messa4> i do. why? u can power it thru usb?!
[12:58] <nid0> the whole reason the pi has a microusb port for its power jack is because everyone has like 54063408 microusb cables/plugs kicking around
[12:58] <nid0> or, you can backfeed power through a full size usb cable
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[13:09] <Gadgetoid> Got the piBorg doing HSV colour cycling
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[13:13] <gordonDrogon> oh?
[13:13] <gordonDrogon> this is on that little display you were talking about yestreday?
[13:14] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Nope, this is an RGB LED add-on board for the Pi
[13:14] <Gadgetoid> WiringPi drives it beautifully
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[13:15] <Gadgetoid> But the Pi I'm tinkering with has no internet connection, so I'm having to type everything into vi by hand- an hsv_to_rgb converter for example
[13:15] <Gadgetoid> Managed to get wiringPi2-Python installed on Arch, though, you just have to install ALL the build tools
[13:16] <Gadgetoid> The Raspberry Pi foundation couldn't care less about my lovely website *cries*
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[13:21] <StMichel> Gadgetoid: you do not have to install all of base-devel, but it is recommended when using arch build system.
[13:22] <gordonDrogon> wiringPi v2 should compile under Arch easier too - previously the I2C stuff was a PITA.
[13:23] <gordonDrogon> however for the 3 Arch users, it'll be fine :-)
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[13:30] <Gadgetoid> Time to hit the pub!
[13:32] <gordonDrogon> woa. it's only thursday.
[13:32] <gordonDrogon> I'm over at a client site too - I'll be hitting Tescos for lunch )-:
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[13:33] <nid0> some people have life too good :<
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[13:37] <gordonDrogon> by having the ability to go to tescos? Hmmm.
[13:37] <gordonDrogon> it's the only place in walking distance to here.
[13:38] <gordonDrogon> Although there is a Costa but I don't rate their "food" that well. Coffee & sweets are fine though.
[13:39] <zleap> good plan
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[13:43] <nid0> not you, I meant Gadgetoid
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[13:49] <Viper-7> nid0: mini-usb i have millions of spare cables, most of my micro-usb cables are spoken for, had to get another just for the pi
[13:50] <gordonDrogon> oh pub. yea.
[13:50] <gordonDrogon> actually, I've forgotten there is a racecourse and 'beefeater' over the road from Tesco here...
[13:51] <zleap> yup
[13:52] <gordonDrogon> grilled dobbin that fell at th efirst fence ...
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[13:52] <zleap> lol
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[13:56] <Crenn-NAS> I has more 3D printer bits!
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[14:02] <RaTTuS|BIG> gordonDrogon that reminds me - aintree burgers this weekend
[14:03] <pagios> anyone using C920 cam?
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[14:15] <irgendwer4711> hi, how to use a sdr lsc relay with the rasp?
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[14:56] <virtx> hello
[14:56] <willdont> hello
[14:56] <virtx> is there a debian/ubuntu-server version for raspberry?
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[14:56] <virtx> debian without X and other useless app's for a server
[14:57] <x29a> virtx: there are a couple of minimal scripts
[14:57] <x29a> err
[14:57] <x29a> images
[14:57] <x29a> http://www.cnx-software.com/2012/07/31/84-mb-minimal-raspbian-armhf-image-for-raspberry-pi/
[14:57] <virtx> you say me that i must create it with a bootstrap ?
[14:57] <virtx> ah ok
[14:57] <x29a> you can, or you use what they provide
[14:57] <x29a> or you go from raspbian->minify->happy
[14:58] <virtx> i just need the wheezy version of debian but without X and X's apps
[14:58] <x29a> see the above link
[14:58] <virtx> apt-get purge x11-common is not sufficient :P
[14:58] <x29a> http://www.linuxsystems.it/2012/06/raspbian-wheezy-armhf-raspberry-pi-minimal-image/
[14:58] <virtx> yes, i'm reading, thanks
[14:58] <x29a> http://www.raspbian.org/HexxehImages
[14:58] <neilr> On my server I just installed raspbian, then removed all the X related stuff with 'sudo apt-get remove'
[14:59] <virtx> are "x11-common midori lxde python3 python3-minimal" sufficient?
[14:59] <nid0> pretty much
[15:00] <virtx> well, and what is the latest kernel supported?
[15:00] <virtx> 3.9 works good?
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[15:02] <messa4> can i ran microsoft communicator on rpi?
[15:02] <messa4> run*
[15:04] <RaTTuS|BIG> no
[15:05] <RaTTuS|BIG> ^ whatever it is
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[15:06] <kaste> is anyone here booting the pi over pxe and wants to share?
[15:07] <chithead> you can boot the pi only via sdcard
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[15:08] <kaste> I know that, but nothing stops you inserting a pxe capable bootlodaer in the middle
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[15:08] <kaste> I am got a u-boot pxe setup that randomly works about 1 in 5 tries, I believe the rest of the time the usb stack craps out
[15:08] <kaste> s/am/'ve/
[15:09] <kaste> maybe there is a different bootloader that I'm not aware of that works better
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[15:09] <virtx> oh yes, u-boot isn't there a good tutorial that say how it works and how setup it from 0...
[15:10] <kaste> i got it set up, the problem is it nondeterministically freezes when using the network (most of the time during the dhcp step already)
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[15:42] <AlanBell> hi all, I have an unwell sd card image, it won't boot
[15:43] <AlanBell> putting the SD card in another computer and running fsck on the filesystem produces http://paste.ubuntu.com/5676634/
[15:43] <AlanBell> when I say it won't boot, it gets halfway through the boot sequence (I think the initrd part) but as soon as it starts wanting to see the filesystem it just hangs
[15:44] <AlanBell> no error message, just sits there. Anyone else seen SD card images fail like this?
[15:45] <chupacabra> pretty common
[15:45] <chupacabra> corrupt image
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[15:46] <chupacabra> reimage it. should be ok
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[16:08] <AlanBell> yeah, would like to understand it a bit more though
[16:08] <AlanBell> isn't ext4 a journaled filesystem that should be more robust?
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[16:10] <RaTTuS|BIG> dont really want to use journaling FS on a SD card
[16:10] <kkit> unless you're doing a lot a lot of writing on your SD card, a journaling fs is fine
[16:11] <kkit> i'd rather have a more robust filesystem and a card that needs to be replaced marginally sooner than have the system hose itself
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[16:32] <gordonDrogon> ext4 is fine - it's the other issues that can damage it - in the Pi's case - many things other than the software - e.g. overclocking, voltage ...
[16:32] <gordonDrogon> or th ecard itself just not being as compatible as the fickleness of the Pi needs ...
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[16:33] <gordonDrogon> I've not had issues like that in over 6 months myself though - stopped having them when I stopped overclocking...
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[16:39] <neilr> http://www.ronketti.org.uk/elite-source.zip
[16:39] <neilr> Arg. Ignore that.
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[16:41] <gordonDrogon> ?
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[16:43] <neilr> Dammit, I seem to have slashdotted my own site. Trying now to ftp up to it so I can delete that. No chance.
[16:44] <RaTTuS|BIG> get a 404 on aaisp.net for the sorce link
[16:45] <neilr> good
[16:45] <RaTTuS|BIG> the rest time out
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[16:46] <gordonDrogon> there's only a few 100 here - how many did it take to kill the site? (and what's it running on?)
[16:46] <neilr> I think it's coincidental actually
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[16:46] <neilr> just noticed that I can't hit the AAISP mail server either
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[16:47] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://www.ronketti.org.uk/ works
[16:47] <neilr> mmm - must just be me then :)
[16:48] <gordonDrogon> timing out for me..
[16:48] <gordonDrogon> although I can ping it.
[16:48] <nid0> yea, dead here too
[16:49] <nid0> webserver's overloaded
[16:49] <neilr> A&As status page is also down
[16:50] <gordonDrogon> unusual for anything A&A to be down these days, however ...
[16:50] <neilr> First time I've known their website to be down in 10 years
[16:51] <RaTTuS|BIG> Connection to failed.
[16:51] <RaTTuS|BIG> The system returned: (110) Connection timed out
[16:51] <RaTTuS|BIG> The remote host or network may be down. Please try the request again.
[16:51] <neilr> Blimey. I *hope* that wasn't me :)
[16:52] <neilr> Something odd happening, as I can traceroute to it, no worries
[16:52] <nid0> if the server hosting your site has gone down from being slashdotted its their problem, its not the 90's any more
[16:52] <neilr> so whatever is broken, it's above layer three
[16:53] <nid0> its the webserver
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[16:54] <CR_Sean> neilr: did you jsut reference the OSI model? O_o
[16:54] <neilr> Sorry
[16:55] <CR_Sean> You do realise that that puts you quite firmly in the "apocalyptic nerd" catagory, right? ??
[16:55] <Gadgetoid> Mmm, znc's buffer playback is nice
[16:55] * neilr looks at feet, mumbles, and agrees
[16:55] * CR_Sean gives neilr a wedgie, then wanders off
[16:56] <gordonDrogon> I did once work for a company writing stuff to run over ibm token ring...
[16:56] <gordonDrogon> (speaking of archaic networking, that is ;-)
[16:56] <neilr> I got rid of a cisco token-ring interface card only a few months ago.
[16:56] <gordonDrogon> the building I'm currently in was used by a bank once - there are weird TR wall sockets!
[16:57] <CR_Sean> Careful the token doesn't fall out!
[16:57] <gordonDrogon> I think it fell out here a long time ago...
[16:57] <CR_Sean> Hmm... is it to every office!?
[16:57] <CR_Sean> SO, you have a network of unused, multipin, low voltage cabling running to every office? I can think of a MILLION uses for that!
[16:58] <neilr> There are still people out there using TR. Then again, there are still people driving around in Austin Allegros.
[16:58] <CR_Sean> neilr: that doesn't make it right.
[16:59] <gordonDrogon> where I am now? Yes - most of the offices - however we're about to tear down some walls and re-parittion. we've already moved their old computer room. IT was a regional HQ and call centre for LLoyds bank once upon a time.
[17:00] <CR_Sean> I would use the cabling for a system of server & network status lights, controlled by a central monitoring server, to alert to network or systems outages.
[17:00] <CR_Sean> oooh.
[17:00] <CR_Sean> Bummer.
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[17:00] <neilr> I'd sell the copper on the black market :)
[17:00] * CR_Sean has always wanted to do a traffic light server status display.
[17:00] <gordonDrogon> suspect I'd go with neilr's solution ..
[17:00] <CR_Sean> :/
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[17:01] <gordonDrogon> raspberry Pi and a Ladder board would work for LEDs to monitor servers, etc. and be more appropriate to here ;-)
[17:01] <neilr> Well, whatever the problem was/is, it looks like a quick reboot hasn't fixed it :-/
[17:01] <CR_Sean> gordonDrogon: indeed.
[17:02] <gordonDrogon> how do you guys get on with AAISP? I looked at them recently, but would still be silly mony for what I use each month )-:
[17:02] <CR_Sean> I suppose i could have the raspi monitor our company chatroom (whcih has automated systems status messages) and then illuminate one or more LEDs to indicate a general systems health status.
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[17:03] <CR_Sean> Green for "Everything is okay" yellow for "oh bother, that might be bad" and red for "the server is down!!!!! PANIC!"
[17:03] <gordonDrogon> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/3631 <-- Raspberry Pi calibrsting a 3D printer - which I never really got at all - all the 3D printers I've seen have really really bad mechanicals... just make them better...
[17:03] <neilr> I really rate them - on the grounds that if there's a problem, I can get to talk to a Real Engineer
[17:03] <neilr> (if I can remember the name of their IRC channel that is...)
[17:03] <gordonDrogon> neilr there is that. Entanet seem full of muppets now. NEtwork guys good, support guys poor.
[17:04] <neilr> It's really the only reason I pay the money. Like you say, it's expensive. No doubt about it.
[17:04] <nid0> I like icuk as an ISP
[17:04] <nid0> they have a proper team of techs who generally seem to know their stuff
[17:04] <nid0> not quite as "exotic" pricing as aaisp though :)
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[17:06] <gordonDrogon> I resell entanet for my sins, but their support is somewhat "iffy" now. I just got a reply back from their email support - 2 weeks after I sent it in, but by then the customer had walked to a new ISP.
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[17:07] <nid0> nice response times.
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[17:08] <scottyx> hi
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[17:09] <nid0> our slowest response today has been 8 minutes
[17:09] <scottyx> may I ask for some help regarding my raspberrypi?
[17:10] <Helldesk> great, freenode fails; when I reconnect it fails to give me my nick and thus fails to identify me properly, which in turn leads to not being able to join #raspberrypi - *again*. In addition it wrecks the channel ordering
[17:10] <Helldesk> yeesh
[17:10] <neilr> scottyx - sure give it a whizz.
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[17:11] <CR_Sean> Helldesk: freenode has been stable all morning. It's more likely that your connection to freenode failed.
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[17:12] <neilr> Cool. Looks like A&A are back up again.
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[17:12] <Helldesk> CR_Sean: well, in any case I would have expected it to give me my nick when I connect with the password already
[17:12] <Helldesk> and ghost the ghost if it was still there
[17:13] <CR_Sean> Helldesk: if your connection failed, your nick would still be in use. YOu can reclaim your nick with the /release command.
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[17:13] <Helldesk> but ultimately it's the fault of the registered-only channels
[17:13] <ReggieUK> only if you set it up to do so
[17:13] <scottyx> Thanks. Do you have an idea why my raspberry would suddenly give error "connection refused" when I try to access it via SSH on my local network ? It worked for a few weeks and suddenly this happened o.o
[17:14] <gordonDrogon> sshd is not running for whatever reason.
[17:14] <CR_Sean> Helldesk: it's not our fault your connection faltered.
[17:14] <Helldesk> (it was irssi disconnecting due to no PONG reply from freenode, nothing else disconnected)
[17:14] <ReggieUK> It's your own fault Helldesk for not setting up your client correctly
[17:14] <ReggieUK> mine works
[17:14] <CR_Sean> Mine works.
[17:14] <ReggieUK> it deals with netsplits just fine
[17:15] <scottyx> thx gordonDrogon, though I tried rebooting it and it still refuses it. Any idea?
[17:15] <Helldesk> CR_Sean: I'm not complaining to you or whoever you represent, I'm just venting my frustration at registered-only channels :)
[17:15] <gordonDrogon> scottyx, You'd need to login via the consoel to see what's happening.
[17:16] <ReggieUK> it still doesn't alter the fact that the issues are with your client and not freenode/irc in general :)
[17:16] <CR_Sean> Who i represent?
[17:16] <ReggieUK> which leads right back to the user not setting up their client correctly
[17:16] * ChanServ sets mode +o CR_Sean
[17:16] <scottyx> alright thx gordonDrogon
[17:17] <Helldesk> of course not, it's the fault of a channel being registered-only that it induces a risk of additional trouble :)
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[17:18] <CR_Sean> #raspberrypi requires your nick be reg'd, as it cuts down on trolls and spammers. That greatly outweighs the minor inconvienence involved in having to log in before joining, in most people's opinion.
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[17:20] <buzzsaw> Helldesk: look into using sasl and then link helldesk_ to your current nick
[17:21] <buzzsaw> that way it requires you to authenticate FIRST then join any channels listed
[17:21] <CR_Sean> you can also set your client up to IDENTIFY as Helldesk using whatever nic you are currently using, via the following command: /msg nickserv identify Helldesk [password]
[17:21] <Helldesk> one last thing: I've got my pass configured as the server password, does that identify me, assuming the nick matches?
[17:21] <CR_Sean> it should do.
[17:21] <Helldesk> those things have been set up long ago
[17:21] <buzzsaw> due to the fact that YOU disconnected inproperly your client can take helldesk_ and then you just ghost and change to helldesk
[17:21] <CR_Sean> but it's not the most elegant method
[17:21] <CR_Sean> depends on the client, also
[17:22] <Helldesk> I wouldn't have been annoyed by this otherwise
[17:22] <buzzsaw> you could also write a script into your client to ghost for you and change your nick :-)
[17:22] <Helldesk> to repeat: my irssi sends its password at the time of connection and then again, automated, after login
[17:23] <buzzsaw> use sasl...
[17:23] <Helldesk> it's what I thought was overkill when I added the server pass :)
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[17:23] <Helldesk> though of course it couldn't identify me properly if a ghost is still there, reserving my main nick
[17:23] <Helldesk> oh well, later
[17:23] <Helldesk> thanks
[17:23] <CR_Sean> sasl is a pain in the bottom to set up on some clients, but, worth doing. Also, it's required if you are connecting to freenode via your mobile network, for some reason.
[17:24] <buzzsaw> CR_Sean: its like 4 steps in irssi...
[17:24] * buzzsaw uses irssi+screen
[17:24] <CR_Sean> buzzsaw: i say again "... on some clients..."
[17:24] <CR_Sean> and for the record, i am using irssi right now.
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[17:24] <buzzsaw> yeah he is using irssi he said
[17:25] <buzzsaw> okay I lied 6 steps :-)
[17:25] <buzzsaw> Helldesk: http://freenode.net/sasl/sasl-irssi.shtml
[17:25] <CR_Sean> it's easy to set up in irssi. on the other hand, for example, it is a right pain in the bottom to set it up in AndChat (android IRC client).
[17:26] <Helldesk> buzzsaw: screen is the old way, tmux is the modern way :)
[17:26] <Helldesk> though I'm also only just transitioning
[17:26] <Helldesk> next time the server boots, I'll be on tmux
[17:26] * CR_Sean just leaves irssi running on /dev/tty1
[17:26] <buzzsaw> Helldesk: whos the one with the irc problems ;-)
[17:27] <Helldesk> not me, I don't use regexp on irc!
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[17:28] <Helldesk> (referring to the old "now you've got two problems" adage)
[17:29] <buzzsaw> I prefer to use the most simple solution to my problem :-) Problem I want irc running on my remote host all the time. Solution I know how to use screen so use it :-)
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[17:47] <kkit> buzzsaw, too bad, because tmux is better ;)
[17:47] <buzzsaw> kkit: for you :-)
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[17:47] <kkit> for anyone who likes to split panes!
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[17:55] * buzzsaw does not need that...
[17:56] <smogg> I broke my raspy!!!!1111oneone
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[17:56] <smogg> but seriously, how can I format my sd card? I'm using dd, process seems fine, I get success msg and the card is still empty (in Finder on OSx, raspi is not booting)
[17:57] <IT_Sean> are you sure you are pointing dd at the correct destination?
[17:57] <smogg> yup, 100% sure
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[17:58] <smogg> Just FYI, I'm curse and I break any technology I put my hands on. I'm doing exactly that: http://www.thelinuxdaily.com/2010/01/writing-images-to-disk-on-mac-osx-with-dd/
[17:58] <smogg> cursed*
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[18:00] <nid0> whats your dd command
[18:00] <smogg> the last one I tried: sudo dd bs=1m of=2013-02-09-wheezy-raspbian.img if=/dev/disk1s1
[18:01] <nid0> well
[18:01] <smogg> while in directory with .img ofc
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[18:01] <nid0> your 100% isnt very accurate
[18:01] <AlanBell> that isn't right
[18:01] <AlanBell> not s1
[18:01] <AlanBell> probably
[18:01] <smogg> you mean the partition?
[18:01] <smogg> yeah, I know that guys
[18:01] <nid0> yes, you shouldnt be defining a partition
[18:01] <smogg> I tried /dev/disk1
[18:01] <smogg> same problem
[18:01] <IT_Sean> yeah, you are writing to a partition.
[18:01] <nid0> so why show a command you know is wrong?
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[18:01] <IT_Sean> that's a no no
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[18:01] <AlanBell> hang on, if and of are the wrong way round
[18:02] <nid0> yeah and that ^
[18:02] <IT_Sean> AHA!
[18:02] <IT_Sean> They are!
[18:02] <AlanBell> you are nuking your img file with the content of partition 1 of the sd card
[18:02] <IT_Sean> IF is your source, OF is your destination.
[18:02] <AlanBell> download it again, that one is borked now
[18:02] <IT_Sean> ^ wot 'e said
[18:02] <buzzsaw> if=/dev/disk1
[18:02] <buzzsaw> your on a mac you have to write to the correct place ;-)
[18:03] <AlanBell> if is input file, of is output file
[18:03] <smogg> As I said, I also tried "sudo dd bs=1m of=2013-02-09-wheezy-raspbian.img if=/dev/disk1"
[18:03] <smogg> with same result - empty card
[18:03] <IT_Sean> IF should be the disk image, OF is the SD card.
[18:03] <buzzsaw> oh yeah.... if and of is backwards
[18:03] <nid0> smogg: you're still doing it the wrong way round
[18:03] <nid0> that is taking an input from your empty card and writing it to the image file
[18:03] <AlanBell> smogg: yeah, empty card and now empty 2013-02-09-wheezy-raspbian.img
[18:04] <IT_Sean> smogg: you need to re-download the raspbian image, and use dd correctly this time. IF is the image, OF is the card.
[18:04] <smogg> nid0, AlanBell I think I got it now, I'll try that
[18:04] <smogg> thanks
[18:04] <smogg> I'm a designer, forgive me
[18:04] <IT_Sean> That's no excuse. :p
[18:04] <buzzsaw> smogg: read your man file... if is in; of is out :-)
[18:04] <smogg> well, in my world I just paint things and they look cool
[18:04] <smogg> that's why I'm stupid :P
[18:05] <smogg> anyway, thanks again
[18:05] <buzzsaw> dont use of=/dev/disk1s1 you need to use of=/dev/disk1
[18:06] <smogg> sure, got it
[18:06] <buzzsaw> also.... perhaps you should avoid using dd until you know how to use it properly :-) you could blank out your entire hard diesk ;-)
[18:06] <smogg> I'm just kidding, I'm not really that stupid :P
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[18:08] <seba-> dd of=/dev/null if=/dev/null
[18:08] <seba-> aa
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[18:11] <smogg> Ok, so while I'm doing all this stuff, can you point me to some resources??? Let's say I want to (finally) build something like clapper (clap - light on, clap - light off). It's a bad idea to use something as powerful as raspi for such simple stuff, right? How can I move it to something smaller (cheaper) like ATtiny45 or similar? I don't think it's possible to run python code on that thing?
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[18:17] <seba-> smogg, why would you want to run python on attiny
[18:17] <seba-> that doesn't make any sense
[18:18] <seba-> smogg, maybe you can find a pythong -> c translator which then compiles
[18:18] <seba-> -g
[18:18] <smogg> seba: m not saying it does. I'm asking, what if I want to build a project like a mentioned clapper and I wanna make it cheaper than using whole raspi
[18:18] <smogg> seba-: while using python ofc
[18:19] <smogg> python -> c is probably the best answer
[18:19] <seba-> smogg, why it must use python
[18:19] <smogg> cause I'm learnin
[18:19] <smogg> python
[18:19] <smogg> and that's the whole point of me using raspi
[18:19] <seba-> smogg, processing (the language which arduino uses) is nice
[18:20] <seba-> you could use that.
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[18:21] <smogg> SSo, Python is not a good idea here? Does it make things very hard, or just not as easy as processing for a novice?
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[18:22] <buzzsaw> if you want simple just use a MCU and learn C; the arduino librarys make it supper easy to use several differetn MCU's
[18:22] <buzzsaw> no need to go throught he hassel of changing python to c... Just use C...
[18:23] <smogg> buzzsaw: as I said, it's not about being simple - it's about learning some Python while doing fun stuff
[18:23] <ReggieUK> you could use python to interface with the arduino easily enough
[18:23] <buzzsaw> that too
[18:23] <ReggieUK> but the code on the arduino doesn't need to be python
[18:23] <smogg> I see, thanks for the tips
[18:23] <buzzsaw> crafy solutions are almsot always bad ;-)
[18:23] <ReggieUK> it's just got to understand the junk being thrown at it by python :)
[18:24] <ReggieUK> 0xff is the same in python as it is in C
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[18:26] <smogg> regarding my raspian installation I'm gonna ask before I break something - killall - INFO dd should give me some status, right?
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[18:27] <mgottschlag> you want dd status? I thought that was killall -USR2 dd
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[18:28] <mgottschlag> man dd should tell you
[18:28] <mgottschlag> *USR1
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[20:37] <wombledom> Hi
[20:38] <wombledom> I'm using my pi for torrents, using an externally powered hdd, anyone know what causes it to freeze so much?
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[20:39] <OpenSys> bad power
[20:39] <gordonDrogon> bad torrents. :)
[20:39] <OpenSys> and bad porn torrents
[20:39] <wombledom> I got a 1A power supply
[20:39] <OpenSys> gordonDrogon, :D
[20:40] <OpenSys> wombledom, fail
[20:40] <wombledom> And the hard disk has its own power
[20:40] <OpenSys> 1A is for pi
[20:40] <gordonDrogon> torrenting is probably one of the toughest jobs for the Pi. Data comes in over Ethernet into USB into Pi out of USB into disk and at the same time if you're seeding it goes the other way too.
[20:40] <OpenSys> hummmm
[20:40] <wombledom> Its through wifi
[20:40] <gordonDrogon> USB is half duplex, so the 'work' the Pi has to do is more.
[20:40] <wombledom> Which is on a hub
[20:41] <gordonDrogon> ethernet/wifi - it's all the same - there is only one USB on the Pi.
[20:41] <OpenSys> so confirmed bad porn
[20:41] <wombledom> Its not porn its for testing but obviously the pi can't do torrents
[20:42] * [Saint] refutes the claim
[20:42] <[Saint]> My pi torrent box serves me well.
[20:42] <gordonDrogon> I think some people hare having success with torrenting, but you need to crank it down a bit.
[20:42] <gordonDrogon> I've not perosnally tried.
[20:42] <[Saint]> define "crank it down"...
[20:42] <wombledom> Its throttled at 50kb/s ul/dl
[20:43] <[Saint]> My wee thing pulls down at about 4000kB/s
[20:43] <wombledom> Every usb device is self powered, the pi isn't overclocked, could archlinux be to blame?
[20:43] <[Saint]> upload is trash - but that's my pipes fault.
[20:44] <[Saint]> wombledom: your sdcard could very well be the limiting factor.
[20:45] <wombledom> I can boot it off the hdd if I wanted, but it still freezes anyway
[20:45] <[Saint]> you can only pull down as fast as you can write really. unless there's some magic factor I'm missing.
[20:45] <wombledom> Its not speed its freezing
[20:45] <[Saint]> but, yeah, I can definitely torrent at an acceptable rate on my pi.
[20:45] <wombledom> It jusy locks up and I have to unplug it
[20:45] <[Saint]> Weird.
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[20:47] <wombledom> And systemd has no logging so I have no idea what's causing it
[20:47] <wombledom> there's no system logs in /var/log
[20:48] <Ose> any tips on how to change the default "python" from python 2.7 to 3.2? the method I found on google doesn't help much
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[20:49] <gordonDrogon> type python3 instead of python
[20:50] <wombledom> Is 1amp too low to run the pi even if all the usb things are self powered?
[20:51] <IT_Sean> 1amp should be fine to run the Pi. 1A and 5v.
[20:51] <IT_Sean> *at
[20:52] <Ose> gordonDrogon: that's not the solution, that's a workaround. anyways I think I figured it out
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[20:54] <gordonDrogon> there is only one way to start RTB and that's by typing rtb (as in Return to BASIC - none of this silly Python version nonsense ;-)
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[20:56] <gordonDrogon> right. TV time. Man Lab.
[20:57] <IT_Sean> o_O
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[21:19] <drobban> Is there people using basic for real?
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[21:22] <[Saint]> as opposed to just pretending to use BASIC?
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[21:23] <wombledom> Can a wrong time make the pi freeze?
[21:23] <[Saint]> No.
[21:23] <[Saint]> Well...it definitely shouldn't.
[21:23] <wombledom> What about OOMs?
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[21:24] <[Saint]> I wouldn't expect an OOM situation to freeze the device either.
[21:24] <wombledom> It could be as simple as the external hdd enclosure being junk, its a dynex (best buy) brand
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[21:25] <[Saint]> unless, again, the sdcard is dirt and its swapping itself to death.
[21:25] <wombledom> I see a "lot" of issues with the hard disk in the logs.
[21:26] <wombledom> It was freezing when root=/dev/sda1
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[21:33] <wombledom> Is there a way to get info on the sdcard? Would a microsd be the issue?
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[21:39] <ngwtim> hello! can i run gnome on arch arm?
[21:39] <ngwtim> on a rpi?
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[21:40] <messa4> does rpi support Cloud and rapid programming?
[21:41] <messa4> and web 2.0
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[21:49] <jose1711> hello, my raspi stopped booting. i did fsck on my linux box and it found two incorrect short names so i had them auutorenamed. still.. same issue
[21:49] <jose1711> so i downloaded /boot/* from git and copied it to the fat32 partition. no change either
[21:50] <jose1711> anyone has an idea?
[21:50] <wombledom> Does it start the kernel?
[21:50] <messa4> Hello all
[21:50] <jose1711> there's no output
[21:50] <messa4> does rpi support CLOUD?
[21:50] <jose1711> only leds are shining
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[21:50] <wombledom> No rainbox box?
[21:50] <jose1711> excuse me?
[21:51] <[Saint]> jose1711: when power is applied, how many, if any, times does the activity LED blink?
[21:52] <pksato> no aways can be see rainbox box on rpi boot.
[21:52] <jose1711> it's in a plastic enclosure but it's dark in here - so gimme a sec
[21:52] <messa4> does rpi supports windows media player and microsoft office?
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[21:52] <[Saint]> no - how would that work?
[21:52] <jose1711> messa4: are you serious?
[21:53] <jose1711> i think there's no blinking at all
[21:53] <[Saint]> jose1711: Hmmmm...that means it isn't even trying to boot. :-S
[21:53] <jose1711> oh
[21:53] <wombledom> Did you try rewriting the boot partition?
[21:54] <messa4> jose1711: or winamp
[21:54] <pksato> messa4: no, RPi can not run any microsoft products.
[21:54] <jose1711> messa4: where does it say on a box that raspberrypi is running windows?
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[21:54] <[Saint]> if you can mount the sdcard elsewhere, pull anything out of /home that you want, and then dd a clean image back to the card.
[21:54] <[Saint]> jose1711: ^
[21:54] <jose1711> [Saint]: exactly something i am trying to avoid
[21:55] <[Saint]> if fsck fails to clean up properly, there's really nothing else to do.
[21:55] <jose1711> anyway, i think i have 128MB sd card laying around somewhere w/ openelec
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[21:55] <jose1711> maybe it's a hw issue
[21:55] <pksato> jose1711: have image on monitor (tv)?
[21:55] <messa4> jose1711: it does say on ebay "home computer"
[21:55] <pksato> or, black scrrren?
[21:55] <jose1711> no, no image. just blackness
[21:55] <buzzsaw> messa4: look at xmms for winamp likeness...
[21:56] <[Saint]> messa4: "home computer" != Windows
[21:56] <messa4> just kidding :P
[21:56] <[Saint]> ...that description is also wildly incorrect.
[21:56] <pksato> jose1711: some wrong on fat partition.
[21:56] <[Saint]> it is nothing remotely like a home computer.
[21:56] <wombledom> you could dd for a few seconds to another sd and then copy over the contents to your rpi's boot partition
[21:56] <messa4> whats the power usage of rpi? in Watts
[21:56] <jose1711> messa4: 4-5 w
[21:56] <jose1711> based on my observations
[21:57] <[Saint]> 4.72~5
[21:57] <jose1711> maybe mkfs.vfat and just copy again?
[21:57] <messa4> can it be minimized? [underclocking or disabling some parts of board?]
[21:57] <[Saint]> errr, .75 rather
[21:57] <pksato> jose1711: if possible, use other sd card, and fill image to it.
[21:57] <jose1711> for sure i did not copy the files from extra (like system.map). i believe there's a dependency
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[21:58] <jose1711> messa4: it can be underclocked, yes
[21:58] <wombledom> You can get a git repository of the firmware and recopy it to the sd
[21:58] <wombledom> Just the /boot part
[21:58] <pksato> jose1711: or, copy relevant files from SD to computer, and reimage sd.
[21:58] <[Saint]> been there - suggested that. :)
[21:58] <jose1711> ok, i will give it a go tomorrow
[21:59] <[Saint]> jose1711: in future - http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting is worth a look
[22:00] <jose1711> thx
[22:00] <jose1711> messa4: did you already get raspi or just thinking about it?
[22:00] <wombledom> Is it possible to have the sd be in read only mode and redirect all writes to external media?
[22:00] <pksato> wombledom: yes, can be.
[22:01] <wombledom> So if a file is modified or deleted it just marks it on the hdd
[22:01] <[Saint]> that is essentially just having the sdcard as /boot and mounting / elsewhere.
[22:01] <[Saint]> mounting / at sda1 or whatever
[22:01] <[Saint]> and having /boot on the sdcard
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[22:02] <wombledom> I did that earlier
[22:02] <wombledom> I set the cmdline option root=/dev/sda1
[22:02] <pksato> 32MB SD is all need to boot RPi, and get rest from other place.
[22:03] <wombledom> But an external hdd is extremely unreliable
[22:03] <[Saint]> well...*yours* is.
[22:03] <[Saint]> Mine is fine.
[22:04] <wombledom> Is sata possible to bitbang with gpio pins? :p
[22:04] <wombledom> Or get an i2c chip to have more gpio and have it bitbang pci
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[22:05] <pksato> direct, no. need some sata transiever.
[22:05] <wombledom> Use the rpi as a pci card in a pc
[22:06] <wombledom> Too bad you cant be connected to wifi and ethernet at the same time on linux
[22:06] <pksato> a pci i/o bridge cost more what a RPi.
[22:06] <messa4> jose1711: im thinking about buying it.
[22:06] <messa4> but its never avalible
[22:06] <messa4> lol
[22:07] <jose1711> depends how you wanna get it
[22:07] <jose1711> anyway, if i were you, i'd download some linux image to a virtualbox/vmware
[22:07] <messa4> from some big shop. like RS
[22:07] <wombledom> mcm seems to be in stock
[22:08] <jose1711> and play with it. that way you're going to avoid quite a shock when you first run it
[22:08] <messa4> jose1711: there is no arm virtualization for virtualbox
[22:08] <messa4> i mean on x86
[22:08] <gordonDrogon> wombledom, who can't be connected to wifi and ethernet at the same time? I can.
[22:08] <jose1711> messa4: that does not matter - get familiar with linux as such
[22:08] <wombledom> Not without endlessly messing with routing and iptables
[22:08] <jose1711> commandline, mainly
[22:09] <jose1711> at least, i'd start this way
[22:09] * jose1711 shrugs
[22:09] <gordonDrogon> wombledom, endless fiddling is not my experience, however I do it for a living.
[22:09] <gordonDrogon> or part of it.
[22:09] <jose1711> maybe you'll find out you don't really want such an 'ancient thing'
[22:10] <wombledom> I never got shorewall to allow eth0 and wlan0 to work
[22:10] <pksato> with tree command , can share a connection.
[22:10] <gordonDrogon> I've noever used shorewall myself.
[22:11] <wombledom> do I just need to study the iptables manual?
[22:11] <jose1711> or shorewalls :-)
[22:11] <pksato> one to make snat|masq, other to permit forward, a last to tell kernel to do forward.
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[22:12] <messa4> jose1711: im familiar with linux. Im using UBUNTU linux. so i think Im quite advanced. I know where to click etc.
[22:12] <wombledom> Haha messa4
[22:12] <messa4> JUST KIDDING :D
[22:12] <jose1711> messa4: well.. then your 'windows media player' question suprised me
[22:12] <messa4> im jus trolling
[22:13] <jose1711> oh, since the beginning?
[22:13] * kkit was about to point out that qemu would be what messa4 wants, for arm emulation
[22:13] <jose1711> or just w/ the ubuntu thing?
[22:13] <messa4> is it really worth to buy rpi? or is there something cheaper?
[22:13] <jose1711> messa4 is not going to do development (i s'ppose)
[22:13] * [Saint] laughs uncontrollably at "Im using UBUNTU linux. so i think Im quite advanced."
[22:13] <jose1711> so x86 linux would do the same good
[22:14] <jose1711> my parents are using ubuntu
[22:14] <[Saint]> You can use Ubuntu, and still be a complete idiot ;)
[22:14] <messa4> [Saint]: that was also trolling part :)
[22:14] <messa4> especially "i know where to click" bit :)
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[22:15] <pksato> where is the mouse cursos?
[22:15] <jose1711> well.. i have to remember really hard when was the last time i clicked when using raspi :-)
[22:15] <pksato> cursor.
[22:15] <wombledom> I'm using a bootstrapped archlinux, not from an image
[22:15] <jose1711> midnight commander and omxlayer is all i need
[22:15] <jose1711> omxplayer
[22:15] <messa4> btw: can rpi boot over pxe?
[22:15] <wombledom> Nup
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[22:16] <jose1711> maybe w/ a help of sd card?
[22:16] <pksato> uboot can do.
[22:16] <messa4> is uboot located on sd card or on some rom space ?
[22:16] <wombledom> uBootoo
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[22:17] <pksato> rpi dont have a rom like bios on x86 pcs.
[22:17] <wombledom> Wow this internet sharing is hard, I hope there's a gui for it
[22:17] <messa4> does it not have any bootloader like in arduino for example?
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[22:18] <gordonDrogon> it has a ROM that can read a file off the SD card and that's it.
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[22:18] <jose1711> messa4: nope
[22:18] <messa4> ok gordonDrogon
[22:18] <messa4> thx
[22:18] <jose1711> and maybe you should also read a few magpi's
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[22:18] <messa4> can i directly acess this anologue output from linux system? or i need to write my own device driver for it?
[22:19] <jose1711> analogue audio>
[22:19] <jose1711> ?
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[22:19] <messa4> for example if i do "echo "Asdasdasd" >/dev/this_cool_analogue_tv_output - will it sent dome garabage to that port?
[22:19] <messa4> i mean the TV output
[22:19] <messa4> not hdmi
[22:19] <messa4> the other one
[22:20] <gordonDrogon> there is no /dev/ device for the video output like that.
[22:20] <messa4> "rca video"
[22:20] <wombledom> Its part of the gpu
[22:20] <gordonDrogon> there is a framebuffer device, but it's not directly related to video output.
[22:20] <jose1711> i wonder what's wrong with hdmi?
[22:21] <messa4> rca so if i want to send some random garbage to "rca video" output - i cant do it from /dev/ /proc sybsystem?
[22:21] <messa4> So*
[22:21] <gordonDrogon> messa4, you can't do it at all.
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[22:21] <messa4> so how i can use it?
[22:22] <gordonDrogon> use it for what?
[22:22] <jose1711> displaying garbage, obviously
[22:22] <jose1711> :-)
[22:22] <pksato> messa4: you can do it on you 'big' computer?
[22:22] <messa4> i was thinking that: if its analogue output - i might use it as radio transmitter to send VERY VERY VERY low power CW.
[22:22] <kkit> you can blast radio over a gpio
[22:22] <Duality> how can i blank background terminal ? i want to play a video but i see text on the edges :)
[22:22] <messa4> pksato: i dont have such output in any computer. but i can do that with serial port tho
[22:22] <gordonDrogon> messa4, it's a video output device. it outputs video. it's controlled by a separate processor.
[22:23] <jose1711> Duality: clear >/dev/ttyX
[22:23] <jose1711> and there's a command for disabling blinking cursor as well
[22:23] <jose1711> if only my rpi was alive..
[22:23] <messa4> gordonDrogon: so there is no easy way to just say in system "output full power thro that analogoue output for next 1ms" ?
[22:24] <pksato> Duality: have some tricks to do it.
[22:24] <messa4> but wait
[22:24] <messa4> waaaait
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[22:24] <messa4> those GPIO - do i have direct acess to them at least? like in microcontrollers
[22:25] <jose1711> digitalWrite kinda thing?
[22:25] <wombledom> Wiringpi makes it code like arduino
[22:25] <messa4> just enabling disabling choosen pin
[22:25] <messa4> nothing fancy
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[22:26] <messa4> forexampe echo 1 > /proc/whatever/GPIO/1/set_state
[22:26] <messa4> to enable it
[22:26] <pksato> messa4: In fact, BCM2835 is a microcontroler. like AVRs or PICs. :)
[22:26] <messa4> end 0 to disable
[22:26] <gordonDrogon> messa4, no way at all.
[22:27] <messa4> so how its acessible?
[22:27] <Tachyon`> ahh
[22:27] <gordonDrogon> messa4, the video port isn't accessible.
[22:27] <jose1711> i am guessing w/ wiring, write & compile & run
[22:27] <gordonDrogon> messa4, it's controlled by a separate processor and generates video. that's all.
[22:27] <messa4> gordonDrogon: ok. and GPIO pins?
[22:27] <gordonDrogon> the GPIO pins can be accessed by a program.
[22:28] <messa4> there should be direct acess in /proc/whatever
[22:28] <messa4> please change it. so i will buy it
[22:28] <messa4> thanks
[22:28] <gordonDrogon> messa4, there isn't in /proc/ for the gpio.
[22:28] <jose1711> because you say so?
[22:28] <jose1711> :-)
[22:28] <messa4> exactly :)
[22:28] <gordonDrogon> messa4, there is in /sys/class/gpio/ though.
[22:28] <gordonDrogon> messa4, and via direct memory mapping in /dev/mem which some libraries use.
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[22:29] <messa4> gordonDrogon: can u switch state of GPIO using /sys subsystem?
[22:29] <gordonDrogon> messa4, yes.
[22:29] <messa4> gordonDrogon: !!!!! :) with just simple echo from commandline level? :)
[22:29] <gordonDrogon> messa4, Yes.
[22:29] <jose1711> i wonder how well/badly it'd behave. linux being non-rtc system
[22:29] <messa4> fuk. i will buy it
[22:29] <jose1711> RT
[22:30] <gordonDrogon> messa4, this is a family firendly channel and that gets you a warning.
[22:30] <messa4> gordonDrogon: u should tell me that in the beggining. its big thing
[22:30] <gordonDrogon> it's in the channel topic.
[22:30] <messa4> i dont need RT. i will mount crystal to those GPIOs
[22:30] <messa4> RTC*
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[22:31] <jose1711> suit yourself
[22:31] <messa4> man
[22:31] <messa4> so its like computer PLUS microcontroller
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[22:31] <messa4> i could add just simple crystal, some wire - and i hage CW transmitter in 5 minutes from rpi
[22:31] <gordonDrogon> it keeps good time if it has an internet connection.
[22:31] <messa4> connect to gpio
[22:32] <gordonDrogon> messa4, why don't you google for raspberry pi radio - you might find something.
[22:32] <jose1711> my thoughts
[22:32] <gordonDrogon> you don't need a crystal to generate a 100MHz 'radio' wave.
[22:32] <messa4> i dont trust google. most sites just want to sell me some stupid Additional board for ardino or rspi
[22:32] <jose1711> duck go?
[22:33] <wombledom> What can a pi do that an analog transmitter can't?
[22:33] <messa4> gordonDrogon: u mean i could just fast switching the gpios?
[22:33] <gordonDrogon> Your loss. If you did search you'd find that someonre has implemented an FM radio using the Pi already.
[22:33] <messa4> im not intrested in FM
[22:33] <jose1711> no need to reinvent the wheel. or is it?
[22:34] <wombledom> I thought the gpio pins only generate digital signals
[22:34] <gordonDrogon> why don't you read the manual?
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[22:34] <messa4> gordonDrogon: is there any project with SSB modulation?
[22:34] <wombledom> And a couple of them can do pwm
[22:34] <gordonDrogon> messa4, not that I'm aware of.
[22:35] <wombledom> Oh pwm can be smoothed and behave like fm
[22:35] <pksato> messa4: you know a tecnology called SDR?
[22:35] <messa4> just think of possiblities... just add tiny aplifier [single chip] and u can send ssb hehe
[22:35] <messa4> pksato: yes
[22:35] <chod> there a transmitter project, i have not read it fully
[22:36] <lahwran> how do you set up wireless?
[22:36] <lahwran> I don't have wired internet
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[22:37] <lahwran> wait
[22:37] <lahwran> actually I do
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[22:37] <pksato> well, your can use gnuradio, some diode ring, a generate any kind of modulation with 48khz of bandwidth.
[22:38] <messa4> pksato: what else i would need [in terms of hardware] to transmit such stuff from rpi? except aplifier and antenna?
[22:38] <messa4> i mean: how low we can go
[22:39] <pksato> first, you need to degree on some telecom school.
[22:39] <messa4> if u have modulated signal u just need transmitter yes?
[22:39] <chod> messa4: linked from raspihub eham.net 'wow! raspberry pi as an RF Transmitter'
[22:39] <messa4> pksato: im ok with ham radio in general
[22:39] <messa4> chod: i will check it. coz thats exactly what im thinking in past few minutes
[22:40] <messa4> :)
[22:40] <pksato> so, you know that need to do.
[22:40] <messa4> no becasue i dont understand how sdr is sending signal. never used one
[22:40] <messa4> just CW from microcontrollers
[22:41] <messa4> and Am
[22:41] <mgottschlag> are you serious? :D
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[22:41] <pksato> sdr generate a baseband signal, on audio frequency domain.
[22:41] <mgottschlag> oops wrong channel
[22:41] <lahwran> wifi? anyone?
[22:41] <lahwran> how do I set up wifi
[22:41] <messa4> aywayway shut up
[22:41] <messa4> i will buy it
[22:42] <lahwran> ??
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[22:43] <chod> :D
[22:43] <messa4> i wonder
[22:43] <lahwran> chod: how do you set up wifi?
[22:43] <lahwran> messa4: how do you set up wifi?
[22:43] <lahwran> pksato: how do you set up wifi?
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[22:43] <chod> lahwran: google knows
[22:43] <messa4> can u also demodulate [recive] using gpios somehow? i i will connect simple diode based detector and send output to gpio?
[22:43] <lahwran> it does not
[22:44] <lahwran> I tried googling it and nothing came up but the raspberry pi blog
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[22:44] <chod> 'null:' ?
[22:44] <lahwran> which had a bunch of stuff about how people are using wifi to connect to each other
[22:44] <mgottschlag> messa4: you only have binary input
[22:44] <mgottschlag> no ADCs at all
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[22:44] <ReggieUK> http://learn.adafruit.com/adafruits-raspberry-pi-lesson-3-network-setup/setting-up-wifi-with-raspbian
[22:44] <ReggieUK> google works people
[22:45] <messa4> mgottschlag: ok :( thank you buddy
[22:45] * chod nos
[22:45] <chod> doh
[22:45] <lahwran> you could have simply linked that
[22:45] <lahwran> instead of ignoring and then insulting me
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[22:45] <chod> this is irc
[22:45] <gordonDrogon> messa4, it's not fast enough.
[22:45] <lahwran> I know it's irc
[22:46] <ReggieUK> I wonder how you worked out that I ignored you?
[22:46] <messa4> even for low freqencies?
[22:46] <ReggieUK> or that I even insulted you
[22:46] <messa4> lahwran: just dont worry. they are ok
[22:47] <lahwran> ReggieUK: sorry for snapping at you
[22:47] <gordonDrogon> messa4, what do you consider low?
[22:47] <messa4> gordonDrogon: lests say under 1mhz
[22:48] <gordonDrogon> messa4, you'll not be able to reliably sample an input pin at 1MHz witout some very specialist techniques.
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[22:49] <messa4> what about 526khz? :P
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[22:50] <gordonDrogon> still unlikely.
[22:51] <gordonDrogon> 1KHz - easy.
[22:51] <messa4> and 147khz? :(
[22:51] <gordonDrogon> 100KHz? Maybe.
[22:51] <gordonDrogon> remember - this is a single bit digital input.
[22:51] <gordonDrogon> no analog.
[22:51] <messa4> but why its that slow?
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[22:52] <gordonDrogon> because it's not designed to do what you want it to do.
[22:52] <gordonDrogon> it's designed to be a general purpose little computer.
[22:52] <pksato> some hams are using RPi to recieve any frequency from 0 to 1.7GHz. RPi plus $15 extra hardware.
[22:52] <gordonDrogon> some things it's good at - playing HD video, and some thing it's not so good at.
[22:53] <pksato> not all 1.7GHz at same time.
[22:53] <gordonDrogon> I suspect the extra hardware is a SDR with a USB interface?
[22:53] <messa4> pksato: what is the name for such board?
[22:53] <pksato> gordonDrogon: yes.
[22:53] <pksato> all tunned ham know it.
[22:54] <messa4> i dont care about vhf. but HF in range 1-28 mhz whould be massive stuff
[22:54] <messa4> global communication for free from rspi :)
[22:54] <lahwran> bah for god's sake
[22:54] <lahwran> nothing covers how to set up a wep network
[22:55] <chod> we used to decode the weather images using a bbc a/b
[22:55] <lahwran> even debian's site skips it "because wep is deprecated"
[22:55] <lahwran> well I'm fucking stuck with it
[22:55] <messa4> bbc a/b ? whats that? i used wxsomething software for that
[22:55] <chod> 'swearing' ?
[22:55] <lahwran> this skips it: http://pingbin.com/2012/12/setup-wifi-raspberry-pi/
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[22:55] <lahwran> this skips it: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#Command_Line
[22:56] <lahwran> chod: ?
[22:56] <chithead> just put the wep keys into your wpa_supplicant.conf entry (look at the example config for examples)
[22:56] <chod> messa4: a bbc computer
[22:56] <lahwran> chithead: wait, put *wep* keys in *wpa_supplicant.conf*?
[22:56] <chithead> yes, wpa_supplicant can connect to wpa, wep and unencrypted networks
[22:56] <pksato> chod: APT?
[22:57] <messa4> chod: APT or rtty ones?
[22:57] <chod> rtty i think
[22:57] <chod> 'old'
[22:57] <gordonDrogon> lahwran, this is a family friendly channel - please read the rules ane consider this a warning.
[22:57] <chod> maybe 30 years ago
[22:57] <messa4> they are still sending those meteo images over rtty
[22:57] <chithead> then something like "iface wlan0 inet dhcp" "wpa-conf /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf" in /etc/network/interfaces
[22:57] <messa4> from germany and belgium etc
[22:57] <lahwran> gordonDrogon: there's nothing family-unfriendly about swearing, perhaps you're thinking of gore?
[22:58] <gordonDrogon> http://alturl.com/jc97e <-- channel rules. please read.
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[22:59] <buzzsaw> why wouuld you use WEP? It should not be considered security :-)
[22:59] <messa4> better to run wep then nothing
[23:00] <buzzsaw> how do?
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[23:00] <chithead> no, wep is not better than nothing
[23:00] <buzzsaw> how so
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[23:00] <messa4> it takes more time and knowlege to break even most outdaed security feature then no secuirty feature at all. also breaking it its a CRIME - so one more reason why someone would NOT do that
[23:01] <chithead> in fact wep is so weak that you theoretically don't have to ask for a password any more and use only a couple seconds longer to connect
[23:01] <buzzsaw> WEP is not a security feature any more :-)
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[23:01] <buzzsaw> messa4: I dont condone the action but breaking WEP is something VERY trivial to do. Even being a crime that will nto stop people from doing it.
[23:01] <buzzsaw> WEP is a false sense of security...
[23:02] <dv_> those who want to break in know its a crime and dont care
[23:02] <messa4> for example. i know how to break wep. but my current laptop chip doesnt support the packet injection etc. so i cant do that even if i could. so its working
[23:02] <messa4> buzzsaw: i know its trivial. but its still better then nothing
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[23:02] <chithead> wep is like leaving your door unlocked and putting up a sign "this door is locked"
[23:02] <buzzsaw> Not so.
[23:02] <messa4> u need knowlege and hardware
[23:02] <buzzsaw> chithead: more like putting a sign up that says key is under the mat
[23:02] <messa4> and only like 1 person per 1000 have it
[23:03] <buzzsaw> messa4: nope... your sorely wrong on your numbers and skill needed
[23:03] <messa4> so its better to have 1 person cracked in then 1000 per 1000
[23:03] <lahwran> sorry for dumping my bad day on you guys
[23:03] <messa4> buzzsaw: i never had laptop in home which supported packet injection of frame capturing :)
[23:03] <chithead> users who run an unencrypted network understand the implications and depend on other security mechanisms. users who run wep networks are often clueless or think that it gives them security, so are much better targets
[23:04] <messa4> u are illogical
[23:04] <messa4> bad security is better then NONE
[23:04] <messa4> always
[23:04] <messa4> its logical
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[23:04] <messa4> if u like it or not
[23:04] <ssbr_> messa4: Actually, no!
[23:04] <ssbr_> messa4: look up "security theater"
[23:04] <ssbr_> bad security can make people not bother to put up good security. No security means that people are motivated to put up good security.
[23:04] <buzzsaw> Not really a topic for this chan but... There are about 28,100 videos on Youtube for "breaking wep" I alone own 5 cards capabele of injection
[23:04] <messa4> better to hide behind wooden wall if someone is shooting at u then not hiding at all
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[23:04] <ssbr_> So it may easily be the case that no security is better than bad security.
[23:05] <messa4> buzzsaw: so what. u still need porper hardware. for example i know how to do it but i lack the hardware. my chipset is not supporting it
[23:05] <buzzsaw> WEP is not security so your logic fails messa4 :-)
[23:05] <chithead> if the wooden wall causes you to walk around then it is worse than not behind a wall and crouching on the floor
[23:05] <buzzsaw> messa4: you are likley one of the few that lack the hardware...
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[23:05] <messa4> buzzsaw: i use very common laptop. [cheap one]
[23:05] <ssbr_> chithead has a point
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[23:05] <ssbr_> chithead: (also, isn't your name in violation of the language policy?)
[23:06] <buzzsaw> as do I have a few messa4
[23:06] <ParkerR> ssbr_, Well
[23:06] <lahwran> just to be clear here - I'm perfectly aware that WEP is about as good as trying to DRM a python file
[23:06] <chithead> the policy says nothing about nicknames
[23:06] <ldlework> haha, chithead. good thing my dad isn't around.
[23:06] <messa4> anyway u are typical illogical geek. "wep is worse then no security" - what a nonsence
[23:06] <messa4> ever ysecuirity is better then no secuirty
[23:06] <lahwran> I've broken wep myself before
[23:06] <ssbr_> messa4: Security theater is a well known thing, and every security researcher takes it seriously.
[23:06] <messa4> becasue its HARDER to break wep then NOTHING
[23:07] <zammalad> Whats WEP... :P
[23:07] <lahwran> wep will keep the neighbor's 5-year-olds out, that's about it
[23:07] <chithead> using wep draws unwanted attention to your network
[23:07] <lahwran> it does?
[23:07] <ldlework> ^
[23:07] <messa4> u can break NOTHING with nothing. but for wep u need skills and hardware - even if its trivial it still block about 90% of world population from doing it
[23:07] <chithead> wep protects you against peoply accidentally connecting to your network
[23:07] <buzzsaw> messa4: an illogical geek with a M.S. Crimial justice - Forensic Computer Investigation?
[23:07] <ldlework> chithead: can you change your name, my dad is going to come help me ask some questions in here soon
[23:07] <messa4> dude
[23:07] <messa4> i was studying forensic computing too
[23:07] <ssbr_> messa4: If everyone treated WEP networks as if they were not secured, you'd be right. But they don't, so you aren't.
[23:07] <messa4> so stfu
[23:07] <ssbr_> messa4: please don't swear.
[23:07] <buzzsaw> then you should know better messa4 :-)
[23:08] <chithead> ldlework: I'll just stop talking :)
[23:08] <messa4> buzzsaw: logic!
[23:08] <ldlework> oh no, now your name is bright in red!
[23:08] <ldlework> is it because you said my name?
[23:08] * buzzsaw goes back to work
[23:08] <ldlework> will this desktop notification with "chithead" eventaully go away?
[23:08] <messa4> your mom dont know how to break WEP. but she knows how to enter unprotected WIFI network - so which one is better security in this example?
[23:08] <chithead> it will scroll out of view eventually
[23:08] <buzzsaw> actually... my mom could break wep too
[23:08] <messa4> for your mom wep is the same like WPA2-enterprise with kerberos
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[23:09] <buzzsaw> I showed her ;-)
[23:09] <chithead> close and open your irc client if not
[23:09] <messa4> nvm. u are just silly
[23:09] <chod> i got a relay and a battery which would upset wireless networks
[23:09] <Twist-> ldlework: profanity exists. You'll need to accept this eventually. Now's usually a better time than later for emotional growth.
[23:10] <ldlework> Twist-: fuckin' aye
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[23:10] <ldlework> WEP attracts the attention of people who know how to crack WEP to your network over open networks.
[23:10] <messa4> still
[23:10] <ssbr_> Twist-: Then what is the point of the rules in this channel? I don't get it.
[23:10] <messa4> its harder to get into WEP tehn to OPEN network
[23:10] <messa4> why cant u understand that?!
[23:10] <ssbr_> messa4: Yes, it is.
[23:10] <ssbr_> messa4: Nobody has disputed that.
[23:11] <ParkerR> ssbr_, chit isnt a bad word
[23:11] <buzzsaw> yes messa4 we know...
[23:11] <messa4> so stfu
[23:11] <ldlework> messa4: but a security minded person isn't going to join arbitrary WIFI networks.
[23:11] <chithead> ssbr_: there needs to be no point. if you disagree with the rules, freenode has plenty namespace for your own channel with your own rules
[23:11] <buzzsaw> but wep is not security :-)
[23:11] <ldlework> a securty minded person might be tempted to crack an easy target
[23:11] * narcos sees WEP networks and immediately raises an eyebrow
[23:11] <narcos> It's like a big red bulls-eye
[23:11] <narcos> "Hack me, I dare you"
[23:11] <messa4> ldlework: so what?! better to have one hacker then 10000000 ppl connected to open network.
[23:11] <ldlework> ^
[23:11] <messa4> LOGIC
[23:11] <Twist-> ssbr_: You're probably expecting rational behavior from the channel operators. If you stop doing that, you'll no longer be confused.
[23:11] <ldlework> messa4: I don't care if people connect to my unsecured network
[23:11] <ldlework> it is unsecured
[23:11] <ssbr_> Twist-: That seems the most rational explanation.
[23:12] <messa4> u are totally fuckedup. have a nice day with pie
[23:12] * messa4 was kicked from #raspberrypi by ReggieUK
[23:12] * narcos is clearly butting into an ongoing conversation, but why are we using WEP?
[23:12] <chod> cos its better than moist string
[23:12] <ldlework> narcos: raspberrypi doesn't support it easily
[23:12] <narcos> ah.
[23:12] <buzzsaw> Dont use WEP :-)
[23:12] <dv_> and nobody really wants it to support WEP
[23:13] <chithead> he wanted to know how to connect to wep networks. he was given the information and the advice that wep is bad (which he didn't want to accept)
[23:13] <ssbr_> dv_: I bet anyone forced onto a WEP network does.
[23:13] <ssbr_> (e.g. work networks sometimes use WEP)
[23:13] <lahwran> blah
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[23:13] <dv_> company networks using wep?!
[23:13] <lahwran> I'm sorry I started this
[23:13] <ssbr_> dv_: Yes.
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[23:13] <ldlework> dv_ seriously?
[23:13] * buzzsaw would not work for a company using WEP...
[23:13] <chithead> you can do 802.1x + wep which is not as broken as wep with static key
[23:13] <ldlework> dv_: if companies can use IE6 companies can use WEB
[23:13] <ldlework> WEP
[23:14] <ssbr_> dv_: Most companies employ mostly incompetent people, so, that is how things are.
[23:14] <lahwran> buzzsaw: all internet should be assumed untrusted
[23:14] <buzzsaw> duh...
[23:14] <dv_> chithead: or you could use WPA :)
[23:14] <buzzsaw> but... steps can be taken to make them trustworthy :-)
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[23:14] <chithead> dv_: unless you have some legacy equipment that only does wep and would be very expensive to replace
[23:15] * tonyhughes just arrived and scrolled back a few screenfuls - very entertaining.
[23:15] <chithead> like first-gen nintendo ds...
[23:15] <startling> chithead: like the nintendo ds
[23:15] <dv_> well, okay.
[23:15] <startling> haha
[23:15] <ldlework> shithead my dad just laughed and said he doesn't care
[23:15] <ldlework> oops, chithead
[23:15] <chithead> or your computer tomograph
[23:15] <narcos> Actually my iPhone WEPs.
[23:15] <narcos> That is, it creates a soft AP with WEP.
[23:16] <dv_> chithead: I'd put such devices behind a DMZ or something :)
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[23:17] <messa4> btw
[23:17] <messa4> why the named this "raspberry pi" its so stupid name. impossible to write for non english person. i always write it with errors
[23:17] <messa4> why not RP-100 or RP etc.
[23:17] <startling> it is kind of a dumb name.
[23:18] <ssbr_> because pi is the awesomest number
[23:18] <Armand> I think it's fine.. but I shorten it to rPi
[23:18] <ssbr_> except for tau, of course
[23:18] <messa4> like PC or MAC or ARM or PIC
[23:18] <chithead> you can invent whatever nice name you like and suggest it to the foundation
[23:18] <ssbr_> messa4: "Mac", not "MAC" :P
[23:18] <dv_> "RPI" is fine
[23:18] <narcos> Call it an RPi if you're having trouble.
[23:18] <messa4> i like rpi so easy to remember
[23:18] <frem> narcos: how old is your iPhone? recent models only support personal hotspot with wpa2.
[23:18] <buzzsaw> messa4: we are well aware that Cracking WEP takes more effort than connecting to a open network. The point is, WEP should not be considered security as there are enough people that can and will crack it with no effort" -- thats all I have to say on the matter
[23:18] <Armand> MAC = cosmetics. :P
[23:18] <startling> ssbr_: pi is not a number
[23:18] <buzzsaw> yeah rPi is how I type it...
[23:18] <startling> ssbr_: algebraics 4 lyfe
[23:18] <Armand> pi is a free man!
[23:18] <Armand> sorry.... -_-
[23:18] <narcos> frem: I'm using the MyWi cydia app, which doesn't have support for >WEP
[23:19] <messa4> buzzsaw: ok. but still its better then nothing. even if its dumb for u and me.
[23:19] <ssbr_> startling: computable 4 lyfe
[23:19] <narcos> Anyone play with XBees on their RPis?
[23:19] <narcos> Got mine in the post today.
[23:19] <dv_> buzzsaw: similar to using nonstandard ports&directory paths&naming conventions for example
[23:19] <narcos> With a Slice of Pi breakout board.
[23:19] <chithead> I don't think we need to restart the wep discussion. we gave the information how to connect to wep with wpa_supplicant and some advice
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[23:19] <dv_> this makes things more difficult, but isnt really security
[23:19] <messa4> btw
[23:19] <messa4> how do u connect VGA monitor to rpi?
[23:19] <buzzsaw> dv_: I do agree to using non standard ports as a deterent but it does not increase security :-)
[23:19] <narcos> messa4: You don't.
[23:20] <messa4> u need to buy those expensive flat monitors?
[23:20] <dv_> expensive flat monitors?
[23:20] <startling> isn't there an analog video port?
[23:20] <Armand> No, composite to TV. ;)
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[23:20] <chithead> you can connect to any tv with analog input
[23:20] <startling> messa4, tv
[23:20] <dv_> 2013?
[23:20] <chithead> you can also buy a hdmi->vga converter but these often cost as much as the rpi
[23:20] <messa4> startling: is console automaticly outputed to that old analogue tv output?
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[23:20] <chithead> yes
[23:21] <messa4> thats nice :)
[23:21] <dv_> real men use the serial console. :P
[23:21] <chithead> but if you connect both tv and hdmi, then hdmi will be preferred
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[23:21] <messa4> so i could have dueal display from boot? [one for analogue other for hdmi?]
[23:21] <buzzsaw> dv_: most attacks attacks according to research I have done and even experience on my own boxes I have administerd you will find automateed tools only scanning standard ports
[23:21] <messa4> dual*
[23:21] <chithead> no
[23:21] <dv_> buzzsaw: which is why I stated that it isnt really security.
[23:21] <dv_> just like wep isnt these days
[23:22] <messa4> so i dont get it
[23:22] <buzzsaw> well in that case it adds a layer of security in a way :-)
[23:22] <messa4> when i connect rasbery pi to old TV and turn it on - will i see linux dmesg messages on tv?
[23:22] <narcos> messa4: http://elinux.org/RPi_Screens
[23:22] <chithead> most people are not very creative with non-standard ssh ports. so if automated scanners catch on to use port 222, 2222, 22122 or something then those people have lost too
[23:22] <buzzsaw> but with wep your advertising hey I am using wep this is what you need to do to break me
[23:22] <buzzsaw> true
[23:22] <narcos> messa4: See "Some more converters that should work", if you really want VGA.
[23:22] <ssbr_> dv_: that's like saying passwords aren't real security :P
[23:23] <buzzsaw> ssbr_: a low level security ;-)
[23:23] <dv_> buzzsaw: there might also be a biological component as well. WEP may lull people into thinking that they switched on security, get lazy, dont do anything more
[23:23] * narcos prefers a nice 16x2 character cell LCD :)
[23:23] <ssbr_> (w.r.t. changing ports)
[23:23] <dv_> s/biological/psychological/
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[23:23] <chithead> passwords are low-entropy secrets. if low-entropy secrets are protected by failure counters then they should be secure
[23:24] <dv_> chithead: btw, what do you think about the xkcd idea?
[23:24] <messa4> narcos: so can i use tv output as monitor or not? without any coverters - just plugin into old TV. will it work?
[23:24] <chithead> wpa-psk is not protected that way, so you should not use low-entropy passphrase
[23:24] <chod> u could flash the 'ok/act' led in morse instead of a display :P
[23:24] <dv_> using phrases as long passwords
[23:24] <azeam> imho passwords aren't real security, the encryption of the passwords is the security
[23:24] <messa4> i mean RCA connector
[23:24] <chithead> dv_: human memorable = low entropy. use long random string and wps
[23:24] <buzzsaw> everyone should setup a radius server and use stored certs and keys :-)
[23:24] <dv_> chithead: referring to http://xkcd.com/936/
[23:25] <chithead> I know that
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[23:25] <messa4> Can u use OLD tv via RCA plug instead of monitor in RPI?
[23:25] <buzzsaw> I try to avoid WIFI at all costs if it can be :-)
[23:25] <messa4> anyone?
[23:26] <narcos> messa4: The RPi can output HDMI or composite video
[23:26] <buzzsaw> one of the main reasons got a rPi was for teaching about wireless security :-)
[23:26] <narcos> "Composite video (NTSC and PAL) via an RCA plug, directly from the board. You can change between PAL and NTSC output by editing config.txt in the boot SD card. Uncommenting: sdtv_mode=2 sets output to PAL (see RPi_config.txt). "
[23:26] <narcos> messa4: ^
[23:26] <messa4> narcos: but will composite output works out of the box?
[23:27] <dv_> chithead: sure. but impossible to remember
[23:27] <narcos> messa4: I've never tried, the above seems to indicate not
[23:27] <messa4> which one is default output for factory raspi? HDMI or RCA?
[23:27] <buzzsaw> My rPi can be dropped just about anywhere and tell when someone is looking for a network that is home and fool them into connecting (all this is done to my equiptment and approvied equiptment)
[23:27] <narcos> messa4: I'd think both. You should try?
[23:27] <messa4> narcos: i dont have it
[23:27] <messa4> but i want to buy it
[23:27] <buzzsaw> if you fool someone into giving up the 4way handshake wpa is no good either :-)
[23:27] <messa4> but i dont have any hdmi monitor
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[23:27] <messa4> coz they are expensive
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[23:28] <messa4> is anyone with analogue tv here?
[23:28] <dv_> also, typing in passwords which are gibberish is real fun on a smartphone :)
[23:28] <messa4> not from usa [too rich to understand]
[23:28] <azeam> messa4: from the same page that was linked to before: "When you do not connect a HDMI monitor, the GPU in the PI will simply rescale (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image_scaling) anything that would have appeared on the HDMI screen to a resolution suitable for the TV standard chosen, (PAL or NTSC) and outputs it as a composite video signal"
[23:29] <messa4> azeam: but its automatic? without any config?
[23:29] <azeam> if I understand it correctly, yes
[23:29] <messa4> thank you :)
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[23:29] <messa4> i always wanted computer that i can connect to tv
[23:30] <messa4> old tv's are cheaper then monitors
[23:30] <narcos> messa4: You should check out XBian if your purpose is to play movies and what-not
[23:31] <messa4> i plan to use it for text processing
[23:31] <azeam> in case it wouldn't be automatic it's not more difficult then to put the sd card in any computer and change a few words in a text file
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[23:31] <messa4> imagine: u are connecting raspi to tv, plugin keyboard - and u can write a book without computer! :D
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[23:32] <messa4> no need for monitors, internets and mouses
[23:32] <azeam> well, the RPi is a computer...
[23:32] <messa4> btw
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[23:32] <messa4> did they port already SNES emulator to it!!?!
[23:32] <messa4> CONTRA :D
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[23:33] <narcos> messa4: http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2012-07/06/raspberry-pi-snes
[23:33] <chithead> dv_: you don't remember it. you use wps. and write it down at a safe place in case you need to connect a device which supports no wps
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[23:34] <messa4> no screenshots :(
[23:35] <messa4> but still
[23:36] <messa4> its expensive
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[23:36] <azeam> messa4: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSMvRf_eVak
[23:36] <messa4> u think its better to buy old p4 or rspi?
[23:36] <messa4> i dont have youtube here :(
[23:36] <chod> pi better
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[23:38] <messa4> are there any cheaper alternatives to raspi?
[23:39] <azeam> stealing? ;)
[23:39] <chithead> $35 will buy you android tv dongles which you can install linux too. those come with integrated wifi
[23:39] <messa4> in my couyntry price is like 50$ + package
[23:39] <messa4> for raspi
[23:40] <chithead> the android dongles are sold on aliexpress often with free shipping. import duty/tax may still need to be paid
[23:40] <messa4> so they lied about cheap computer for 25$
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[23:41] <messa4> when i will be rich again i will buy raspi
[23:41] <chithead> they will receive only $25 of your money. all other money will go to shipping company, tax collector or other people
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[23:41] <messa4> btw
[23:42] <messa4> is there firefox ported to arm propably it is
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[23:42] <chithead> yes, but you can imagine it will not run very well on 800mhz arm with 512 mb ram
[23:43] <messa4> how is the peformance of javascript in FACEBOOK - is it dead slow? for eaxmpe my laptop have 2core 3200bogopmips cpu, and its dead slow with heavy JS scripting in fb :(
[23:43] <messa4> my laptop that im now using is 1gb of ram and half of it its ram filesystem so im ok with low memory :)
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[23:48] <messa4> please send me raspi for 10$ thank u. can be used
[23:50] <chithead> see if you can buy one on ebay for that price
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[23:50] <messa4> its 50$ :|
[23:51] <messa4> 44 cheapest
[23:52] <messa4> still more then advertising 25...
[23:52] <azeam> messa4: where are you located?
[23:53] <messa4> UK in europe
[23:55] <ring0> ??25 at rs components
[23:55] <tonyhughes> Cant you guys keep going on about WEP and WPA? It was fun.
[23:56] <messa4> "Raspberry Pi | An ARM GNU/Linux box for $25." thats what they advertising on webpage
[23:56] <tonyhughes> Every WiFi network I have ever set up for friends and family has the same memorable password.
[23:56] <azeam> messa4: http://uk.farnell.com/jsp/search/productListing.jsp?SKUS=2254699
[23:56] <messa4> but it cost 44$
[23:56] <azeam> 19?
[23:56] <messa4> farnell is charning like 25$ for postal
[23:56] <messa4> even for single 1c component
[23:56] <azeam> well, that has got nothing to do with the price for the RPi though
[23:58] <messa4> azeam: they dont have it in stock
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[23:58] <messa4> raspi is 80% more expensive then advertised and impossibe to buy :(
[23:58] <azeam> messa4: I know, I don't think anyone has atm, I had to wait for ~6 months for mine (got in in august or something)
[23:59] <messa4> good lord
[23:59] <messa4> thats just crazy
[23:59] <ring0> get it at some amazon shop. got mine in 2 days
[23:59] <messa4> whats amazon? im not in south america
[23:59] <azeam> model B is in stock though
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