#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2013-04-05

Timestamps are in GMT/BST.

[0:00] <messa4> just kidding
[0:01] <buzzsaw> tonyhughes: I could if you want...
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[0:02] <tonyhughes> Naw, ill go back to my scripting
[0:03] <azeam> tonyhughes: in my old apartment I used some neighbors wifi (wep) for a couple of years
[0:03] <ring0> instead of using wep you could just disable wifi protection
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[0:04] <buzzsaw> I should go in an look at my wifi database and see what % use wep still around here :-)
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[0:04] <tonyhughes> azeam my old neighbours was a backpackers with an open wifi and default admin password. I used it for six months, and set the admin password so no dirty backpacker would put a WPA key on. I worked out their plan via their ISP, and checked their usage, and I always stayed under 1GB of their 30GB lol
[0:06] <buzzsaw> I have 10129 entrys in my database :-) I will fireup sql when I get home and see who uses what :-)
[0:06] <azeam> hehe, I also had access to the router, once I screwed it up somehow I can't remember, so I could no longer access anything but after a couple of days they were kind enough to fix it (with the same password)
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[0:07] * buzzsaw wonders how many open/wep netwoks have honey pots on them...
[0:07] * Armand has one. ;)
[0:07] <Armand> lol
[0:08] <buzzsaw> perhaps I will do that tonight... set up my rPi as a hotspot and run a few honey pots on it.
[0:08] <buzzsaw> see how many people access it over the week :-)
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[0:08] <chithead> some funny people run open networks with transparent proxies, that do stuff like blurring or rotating images
[0:09] <buzzsaw> yeah I have seen that...
[0:09] <messa4> im depressed
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[0:11] <Armand> buzzsaw, I was thinking about doing that, portable.. with a fake <insert awful coffee shop here> site.. ;)
[0:11] <Armand> But, thought better of it. :P
[0:11] <buzzsaw> careful what you do...
[0:11] <Armand> Yuh-huh..
[0:11] <buzzsaw> dont break any laws ;-)
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[0:11] <Armand> I have a good job now, so it's not worth the risk.
[0:11] <chithead> http://www.ex-parrot.com/pete/upside-down-ternet.html
[0:11] <Armand> ^ ++++
[0:12] <buzzsaw> yeah seen that once
[0:12] <Armand> That's what inspired me.. I was seriously considering it. ^_^
[0:12] <Armand> I might do exactly that on my home connection though, to prank my family. :P
[0:13] <clever> chithead, Armand: there is also a thread i found on the raspi forum that may be of use
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[0:13] <clever> chithead, Armand : http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=39225
[0:14] <clever> basicaly, apple devices will try to open http://www.apple.com/library/test/success.html
[0:14] <clever> to see if the link is valid
[0:16] <ring0> chithead, neat ;)
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[0:17] <Gadgetoid> Okay, my znc setup guide is published but a little rushed
[0:18] <ShiftPlusOne> Gadgetoid, link?
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[0:24] <Gadgetoid> ShiftPlusOne: http://pi.gadgetoid.com/post/042-setting-up-znc-irc-bouncer-on-the-raspberry-pi
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[0:24] <Gadgetoid> It's a little rushed, but I'll happily act on any feedback and incorporate changes/improvement
[0:24] <ShiftPlusOne> looks good
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[0:28] <Gadgetoid> Now I've got to flesh out a guide to HSV fading on the LedBrog
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[0:28] <ShiftPlusOne> Yup, those sound like words.
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[0:45] <azeam> Gadgetoid: a few comments - I'm using another startup script on my vnc setup, maybe you should paste the contents of the startup script instead of a link to a file that needs to be changed? What is "vnc" in this line "sudo vnc /etc/init.d/znc", is that some non-standard editor I don't know about? You write that the web admin is not needed, personally I find it very easy to work with for setting stuff up and I think you could recommend it, at least f
[0:45] <azeam> or inexperienced users. Also noticed that the link to "Thin" at the top of the page goes to www.raspberrypi.org, otherwise good job! :)
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[0:46] <Gadgetoid> azeam: Wow, thanks for the thorough feedback!
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[0:46] <Gadgetoid> vim = VI Improved, I've never heard of any other editors??? definitely not emacs or anything!
[0:46] <Gadgetoid> azeam: *facepalm*??? vnc
[0:47] <azeam> :)
[0:47] <Gadgetoid> azeam: Well spotted!
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[0:48] <Gadgetoid> No idea how vnc found its way into my brain, vnc isn't even an editor!
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[0:48] <Gadgetoid> I will also have to try the web admin, but on the Pi I'd be a little afraid of bloat
[0:49] <azeam> it happens ;) I guess the web admin can be a bit overkill if you just want a very simple setup but I haven't noticed any performance issues or anything like that from my pi
[0:49] <OpenSys> web admin use perl
[0:49] <OpenSys> perl it's evil
[0:50] <OpenSys> and also use apache
[0:50] <OpenSys> other evil
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[0:50] <azeam> I'm not using apache
[0:51] <OpenSys> great
[0:52] <OpenSys> lots of sites and sysadmins are moving scripts from perl to python
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[0:52] <OpenSys> rpi also use python for lot's of things
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[0:53] <azeam> you can always install the web admin, set up the things you want and then remove it if you don't want it running 24/7
[0:53] <Armand> web admin ?
[0:53] <Gadgetoid> I hate Python somewhat less now I've been working on WiringPi2 in it for a few days
[0:53] <Gadgetoid> But I'm still eager to get back to Ruby
[0:53] <Armand> webmin ?
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[0:53] * tonyhughes watches Armands ears twitch
[0:54] <OpenSys> Gadgetoid, ruby it's other good language
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[0:54] <azeam> "ZNC's web interface"
[0:54] <azeam> web frontend
[0:55] <azeam> is it in the znc-extra package? don't remember
[0:55] <eggy> is it possible for me to dd my 16gb card to a 32gb and re-expand the fs?
[0:56] <Armand> Ahh.. znc. Trivial stuff. :P
[0:56] <ShiftPlusOne> eggy, yes, 'course
[0:57] <eggy> how, I'm not that savy with dd ;)
[0:58] <ShiftPlusOne> dd like you would normally dd an image. Make sure neither of them are mounted and instead of specifying the image file to of= use the device (/dev/sdX or whatever it is)
[0:58] <ShiftPlusOne> Then you should be able to use raspi-config to expand it.
[0:58] <eggy> ah, ok
[0:58] <eggy> BS=4 ?
[0:59] <ShiftPlusOne> doesn't matter, I normally don't specify.
[0:59] <eggy> ok
[0:59] <OpenSys> yes but not dd
[0:59] <OpenSys> its resize2fs
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[1:00] <eggy> I'm not worried about expanding right now, I'll need to use dd to copy the data to the new card
[1:00] <ShiftPlusOne> OpenSys, You may have misread the question (or maybe I have)
[1:00] <eggy> I need both ;-)
[1:00] <fr0g911> hey all
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[1:01] <ShiftPlusOne> no need to resize2fs if the script will do it for you. If you do it manually, you have to fix the partition table first though.
[1:01] <ShiftPlusOne> 'morning fr0g911
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[1:01] <fr0g911> morning ShiftPlusOne
[1:02] <azeam> ShiftPlusOne: if you don't specify bs it will default to 512 bytes and take ages, doesn't it? 1M is what I normally use
[1:02] <OpenSys> ShiftPlusOne, dd copy bit at bit, its move safe use cp to copy all data
[1:02] <OpenSys> only one step
[1:03] <OpenSys> s/move/more
[1:04] <ShiftPlusOne> azeam, yup, it does take longer, but that doesn't bother me.
[1:04] <OpenSys> lol
[1:04] <ShiftPlusOne> OpenSys, Why would it be more safe? It would be faster, but why more safe?
[1:05] <OpenSys> bs=4 in the original card fash
[1:06] <OpenSys> ShiftPlusOne, safe because just 1 step, no resize, because resize partitions it's not a good think after some time of use.
[1:07] <OpenSys> in this case dd may work because head in sd's cards its all the same sizes
[1:07] <ShiftPlusOne> Ah, not a big deal, but fair enough.
[1:07] <OpenSys> but in hard disks = fail
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[1:08] <ShiftPlusOne> Though I have been wondering about the use of dd on sd cards. Doesn't it mess with the wear levelling?
[1:08] <Gadgetoid> Yay, my LedBorg is now fading through colours, rainbowey!
[1:09] <Gadgetoid> Need to write a function to pulse between two arbitrary colours
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[1:09] <OpenSys> ShiftPlusOne, head's and block sizes its normally the same on all
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[1:12] <OpenSys> SD cards use a constant block size of 512KB
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[1:12] <OpenSys> so dd my heat that easy
[1:14] <OpenSys> anyway zzzzz time in this timezone
[1:14] <ShiftPlusOne> 'night
[1:14] <Gadgetoid> I'm fading through 100,000 colour variations, or near enough
[1:15] <hays> wow, my Pi B's got delivered via element14 fast this time. arrived today from a Sunday order
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[1:17] <LTCoin> Cunninglingus
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[2:26] <NetBat> Greetings Pi lovers.
[2:27] <Dakota> Heya NetBat
[2:33] <NetBat> Dakota: Greetings and salutations. How goes it?
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[2:34] <NetBat> Uh oh, here comes trouble. :)
[2:35] <Dakota> Pretty good, playing with my new toy. It just happens to be a rpi.
[2:35] <NetBat> Nice one. Which model?
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[2:36] <Dakota> Model B R.2
[2:37] <NetBat> I've an idea what `B' means here, but am not sure about `r.2'.
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[2:38] <Dakota> Revision 2
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[2:41] <NetBat> Dakota: So, what sort of uses do you have in mind for your unit?
[2:43] <Dakota> For now just playing videos.
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[3:12] <applegekko> isn't the B r2 the 512 model?
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[3:15] <home> okay
[3:15] <home> who here is running a webserver
[3:15] <home> with all the html5 goodies and so
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[3:17] <[deXter]> me
[3:18] <NetBat> html5? (cue psycho theme) :d
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[3:25] <plugwash> applegekko, the rev 2.0 PCB appeared before the 512M upgrade did
[3:25] <plugwash> so there are rev 2.0 boards out there with only 256MB, I think they are relatively uncommon though
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[5:18] <tonyhughes> Why do people spoil others fun? http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=39518
[5:19] <tonyhughes> home, webserver? Yes...
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[5:21] <Armand> lol
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[5:22] <tonyhughes> Armand, it's back on... reload that thread
[5:22] <Armand> *trollolololol*
[5:22] <flexnsniff> trying to use the program minimodem and all I can get to work reasonably is rtty (45). But, it lags at the beginning of a stream, or if you try to do 2 at once, they both will lag (sometimes). Any ideas?
[5:22] <Armand> You're mean. :P
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[5:22] <tonyhughes> ALTHOUGH..... i wonder if he is now trying to troll me? :-P
[5:22] <flexnsniff> It's in the raspbian repo if anyone wants to try with their own
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[5:24] <Armand> tonyhughes, sure smells that way.. anyone should know how to turn the display *off*
[5:25] <tonyhughes> I'll play along. I trolled him (whilst genuinley helping him), so I guess I can let him give me my comeuppance.
[5:25] <Armand> Sure. :P
[5:27] <plugwash> Please don't tease the newcomers, it may seem like harmless fun but when someone is already at their wits end teasing them can be the straw that breaks the camels back and drives them away forever
[5:27] <tonyhughes> another two replies - I'm afraid he's not trolling. (or doing a good job of it, not sure).
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[5:28] <Armand> Sorry.. I'll have to side with tonyhughes here.. looks like troll, smells like troll.
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[5:28] <tonyhughes> Not teasing him. Concise instructions, that will illustrate the difference between linux and what he is used to. He is totally getting helped.
[5:30] <NetBat> uh oh, what's up peple?
[5:31] <NetBat> s/peple/people/
[5:31] <tonyhughes> Crazy... The following is a warning which has been issued to you by an administrator or moderator of this site.
[5:31] <tonyhughes> This is a warning regarding the following post made by you: viewtopic.php?f=26&p=324676#p324676 .
[5:31] <tonyhughes> Taunting newcomers is NOT acceptable.
[5:31] <tonyhughes> cyas
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[5:36] <flexnsniff> It was a reasonable question, but whatever. Doing it with an arduino instead, already got it working
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[6:18] <bin_bash> if someone named "yardena" comes in
[6:18] <bin_bash> that "person" is a horrible troll
[6:18] <bin_bash> they've single-handedly ruined communities.
[6:18] <bin_bash> I just wanted to give a headsup
[6:18] <kkit> sounds unlikely
[6:18] <bin_bash> since apparently this person just got a raspberry pi
[6:18] <bin_bash> no, it's true
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[6:25] <_deXter_> Now I just can't wait for yardena to come in. :P
[6:25] <bin_bash> lol
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[8:39] <drobban> hahaha, poor simonline
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[8:59] <gordonDrogon> morning pi peeps.
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[9:06] <steve_rox> maybes
[9:07] <gordonDrogon> might even see that big yellow thing today again.
[9:08] <steve_rox> a rare sight
[9:09] <steve_rox> may have enough light to run that solar pannel soon
[9:11] <steve_rox> tryed to power the pi on it but theres not enough sun in the uk ever
[9:12] <gordonDrogon> my little bowl of light (ie. 2" square panel, NiCd + 1 LED) has been lighting up the past few days...
[9:13] <Grievre> big yellow thing?
[9:13] <gordonDrogon> it was one of those garden thingys which broke, so I put it in a bowl in my bathroom 5 years ago and it's still working!
[9:13] <gordonDrogon> Grievre, 'the sun' ...
[9:13] <gordonDrogon> however breakfast calls - later!
[9:13] <steve_rox> have fun
[9:14] <steve_rox> i assume you have to catch it kill it and eat it if it still has the ability to call out
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[9:54] <gordonDrogon> er, well I caught the egg... well, lifted it out of the nest box ...
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[10:02] <Gadgetoid> Well pi.gadgetoid.com has smashed Gadgetoid's visitor stats, that's a curios situation??? might be to do with me actually updating it
[10:04] <Gadgetoid> I need to write more tutorials, and I clearly need to write something for MagPi
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[10:05] * plugwash notes that the traffic from raspbian.org is probablly larger than any site he has been involved with running before by at least two orders of magnitude
[10:07] <plugwash> Pi related stuff can have a habbit of getting big.......
[10:07] <Gadgetoid> plugwash: the Pi has been an amazing nucleus for commercial success
[10:07] <Gadgetoid> Although I haven't made a single cent from it, ha!
[10:07] <gordonDrogon> I was quite surprised at the traffic my own site gets too.
[10:08] <gordonDrogon> Hm. seems to have levelled off in the past 2 months though.
[10:08] <Gadgetoid> I realised that people want tutorials, which in retrospect is obvious, my tutorials get all the love
[10:08] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: I think wiringPi would be a lot more successful by now if I hadn't dropped the ball
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[10:08] <gordonDrogon> I think it's doing ok as it is though.
[10:08] <Gadgetoid> True, that!
[10:09] <gordonDrogon> someone wants me to implement it on the beaglebone now..
[10:09] <Gadgetoid> I need to get round to doing the Ruby wrapper for 2.x
[10:09] <Gadgetoid> Surprisingly people other than me care about Ruby on the Pi
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[10:11] * gordonDrogon grind.
[10:11] <gordonDrogon> or even grins.
[10:11] <gordonDrogon> having a bad typing day.
[10:11] <AlanBell> morning all
[10:11] <gordonDrogon> What Ho!
[10:11] <neilr> 'ello - and morning to everyone else
[10:11] * plugwash hasn't used ruby himself but the impression i've got is that the language is ok but the communities attitude to distro packaging is horrible
[10:13] <neilr> Blimey, that's ambitious. Local chaps cutting the grass on the village green. Guess they just want the next snowfall to look neat and tidy :-/
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[10:14] <gordonDrogon> I live in a town.... we have a "Millenium Green" ...
[10:14] <gordonDrogon> with fancy ducks to poo all over it too.
[10:15] <neilr> Ah, we don't get too much in the way of duck poo. Just empty tins of cider and boxes of B&H. Oh to be young again.
[10:17] <plugwash> http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3415413&cid=42725321
[10:19] <gordonDrogon> I'm sticking to C :)
[10:19] <gordonDrogon> and BASIC
[10:19] <Viper-7> plugwash: the best thing about ruby is how expressive you can be with code, the worst thing about ruby is how expressive you can be with code
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[10:20] <Viper-7> ruby code is a PITA to maintain - you can look at the same algorithm written 5 different ways and have no idea they all do exactly the same thing
[10:20] <Viper-7> if you want a hip/progressive/current language to get in to, try google's go ! :P
[10:21] <Viper-7> im now using Go on my pi :D
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[10:24] <gordonDrogon> is it compiled or interpreted?
[10:24] <Gadgetoid> Viper-7: I hear you regarding the expressiveness, so many code examples for the same thing
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[10:24] <ssbr_> gordonDrogon: compiled
[10:24] <ssbr_> but don't do Go, it's old and boring
[10:24] <ssbr_> the hip new thing is Rust
[10:25] <Viper-7> Gadgetoid: dont get me wrong, its awesome to code with
[10:25] <gordonDrogon> still sticking to C.
[10:25] <ssbr_> (more importantly, Rust is developed entirely by and for open source programmers, and has a massively used application that
[10:25] <Viper-7> but absolutely woeful to maintain
[10:25] <ssbr_> ''s going to be using it)
[10:25] <ssbr_> gordonDrogon: Why?
[10:26] <Viper-7> not worth it for production imo
[10:26] <gordonDrogon> I like C.
[10:26] <Grievre> There is no such thing as a "compiled language" or an "interpreted language"
[10:26] <ssbr_> gordonDrogon: Why?
[10:26] <Grievre> Stop spreading this confusion
[10:26] <Viper-7> sure there is Grievre
[10:26] <gordonDrogon> because.
[10:26] <Gadgetoid> Viper-7: I find that with most languages, anyway, since maintainable code requires forethought and planning and careful construction; but most of the stuff I deal with is messy, rushed and held together with tape
[10:26] <ssbr_> gordonDrogon: That's a stupid answer.
[10:26] <gordonDrogon> if you say so.
[10:26] <ssbr_> gordonDrogon: If there are specific reasons you like C, it's quite possible there are other languages that share those things, while still being different in interesting ways.
[10:26] <Grievre> Give me any "compiled" language and I can write an interpreter for it. Give me any "interpreted" language and I can write a compiler for it (it might take me a while though)
[10:27] <Gadgetoid> C is obviously the third best language, after A and B.
[10:27] <ssbr_> Grievre: nobody ever said "compiled language"
[10:27] <Grievre> There are languages which have specific features that make compilation kind of a pain
[10:27] <Grievre> but that does not preclude it entirely
[10:27] <Gadgetoid> Compilation is a matter of perspective; computers are simply hardware based interpreters
[10:28] <Grievre> ding
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[10:34] <gordonDrogon> ssbr_, fwiw: I have no desire right now to look at other languages. I enjoy coding in C. I have used many others, but I always come back to C. its served me well for the past 30 years and I think it'll do me OK for a few more.
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[10:35] <gordonDrogon> and basic.
[10:36] <Grievre> gordonDrogon: I mostly find C sufficient for my needs but I'm frustrated by the boilerplate necessary to do basic tasks
[10:37] <Grievre> and the lack of universally standard libraries for doing certain extremely common things
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[10:38] * neilr likes BASIC too :)
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[10:39] <Grievre> gordonDrogon: What I would really like would be the ability to write python (or similar), use a program to automatically translate that into C, and then manually correct anything that came out sub-optimal
[10:39] <gordonDrogon> I suspect it would generate fairly verbose C.
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[10:39] <Viper-7> Grievre: go was/is built with a concept in mind, ~"provide an easy to use, rich, fully featured API and structure for communication between independent units - but provide each method only once. the idea of DRY : 'Dont Repeat Yourself', don't re-implement the same basic features in different ways, just make using the existing (and new/user defined) features for *all* purposes a simple task"
[10:40] <steve_rox> language translators eh , i rember that vb6 lang to vb.net converter , it was rubbish
[10:40] <Grievre> every compiler is a language translator
[10:41] <spura> hi, I'm trying to figure out what format my hard disk should be in so that i can use it with my raspberry pi and my mac
[10:41] <DusteD> I think that every time you implement the same thing again, it becomes a little better, and your insight aw little deeper, unless you're arrogant enough to believe that no "trivial" task can improve your understanding.
[10:42] <Viper-7> DusteD: iteration/revision is a great thing, but having twelve different implementations of the same thing, each with their own various quirks, spread throughout your API is not
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[10:43] <DusteD> Viper-7, point taken, I don't know why I ignored that this was about API design xD
[10:43] <Viper-7> the result with Go is an API which is easy, intuitive and helpful, quick to develop with, easy to maintain, and very powerful (it compiles down nearly as well as C in raw single threaded tests, better in most any real world cases, the main difference being that it uses a runtime managed memory / garbage collection system to support rich complex types
[10:43] <wombledom> h-h-hi
[10:43] <gordonDrogon> I did look at a translator to C for my BASIC interpreter at one point. there is a fairly simple mapping line per line to make it work - but although it would be a fun project, I just never saw the real point...
[10:43] <Viper-7> )
[10:44] <gordonDrogon> I've just had a look at Go & Rust front-pages...
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[10:44] <DusteD> spura, you can use ext3
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[10:44] <neilr> spura: Raspbian can mount HFS drives - but you need to install a package, the name of which escapes me now!
[10:44] <Viper-7> the interface system for objects, and channel system for communication are Go's main strong points
[10:44] <jelly1> why would you use ext3
[10:44] <Viper-7> but the API is also awesome, very feature rich
[10:44] <jelly1> spura: doesn't de mac support ext4?
[10:44] <gordonDrogon> I always wondered what happened to the paridgm of "programmers are lazy"...
[10:45] <gordonDrogon> too many dots and double colons for my dyslectic eyes to cope with.
[10:45] <DusteD> Would make more sense to install FUSE on the mac
[10:45] <Viper-7> everything from sockets/http to encryption to image handling to etc is pretty much built in, and at worst theres a large gem/cpan/etc style network already established
[10:45] <spura> I'm completely new to this and just trying to get started, I'm in disk utility on my mac and am trying to reformat an old drive so i can mount it to my raspberry pi.
[10:45] <jelly1> ext4 > ext3
[10:46] <Viper-7> calling native C libraries is also very easy
[10:46] <DusteD> spura, do it the other way around, format it from the pi :)
[10:46] <jelly1> spura: why do you need access from OSX?
[10:46] <Viper-7> getting called from far less so - i'd still use middleware like gearman
[10:46] <jelly1> spura: just share the drive with the pi ;)
[10:47] <gordonDrogon> spura, yea, stick the drive in a NAS and use the network.
[10:47] * jelly1 gigles about the fact that OSX doesn't support ext4
[10:47] * jelly1 wonders if *BSD does
[10:47] <spura> i don't have an NAS
[10:47] <gordonDrogon> use a Pi as a NAS, although it's somewhat sub-optimal..
[10:48] <Gadgetoid> From my experience, OSX and ext don't get along
[10:48] <DusteD> Install Linux on the Mac
[10:48] <jelly1> or a vm :P
[10:49] <spura> I've never used linux before, trying to set up the raspberry pi as a torrent box
[10:49] <jelly1> >_>
[10:49] <DusteD> oh
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[10:50] <spura> i don't have internet at home(i tether from my phone), so i want to leave the raspberry pi at work, and be able to get the files off it rather than leaving my laptop at work
[10:50] <Gadgetoid> "hfsplus - Tools to access HFS+ formatted volumes"
[10:50] <Perkele> spura: the filesystem is irrelevant
[10:50] <jelly1> even more lolz
[10:50] <Perkele> you can access your files with your mac in any case
[10:50] <jelly1> torrent at work
[10:50] <Gadgetoid> AndL "hfsutils - Tools for reading and writing Macintosh volumes"
[10:51] <jelly1> Gadgetoid: and it sucks probably :P
[10:51] <Viper-7> spura: its easy, just remember the package manager the operating provides is how you find/download/install *everything*
[10:51] <jelly1> format it fat32 :p
[10:51] <Perkele> unless you plan to remove the sd and put it in your mac
[10:51] <Gadgetoid> fat32 has a limit of ~2GB does it not?
[10:51] <Perkele> Gadgetoid: 4gb i believe
[10:51] <DusteD> Gadget-Mac, max filesize yes is 4 GiB
[10:51] <wombledom> i found out that a low quality power supply will halt a pi even if it delivers enough power
[10:51] <jelly1> sure
[10:51] <DusteD> but you can have much larger volumes
[10:51] <jelly1> fat32 works on everything though
[10:51] <Viper-7> spura: ever used a jailbroken / rooted phone? seen the application repositories with just every possible app?
[10:52] <spura> viper-7 have jailbroken but never done that
[10:52] <DusteD> For torrenting fat32 is not optimal since many of those files are more than 4GiB
[10:52] <wombledom> Can a grounding issue cause interference with usb devices plugged into the same power outlet?
[10:53] <jelly1> DusteD: depends on what you torrent...
[10:53] <DusteD> Ubuntu13-lts.brrip.iso ;)
[10:53] <spura> am i going about this the right way? I've just tried to put this plan together from various guides on the internet
[10:53] <DusteD> You realize you'll get fired from work if they find out?
[10:53] <jelly1> DusteD: no!
[10:53] <wombledom> My power supply puts out high pitched whines varying with activity, would this put noise through the rpi and peripherals?
[10:54] <jelly1> and that you can get banned from freenode \o/
[10:54] <spura> Dusted i own the company so its ok
[10:54] <DusteD> Maybe selling the mac so you can afford internet at home and still have enough money left to buy a descent laptop ?
[10:54] <DusteD> spura, ah :P
[10:55] <spura> :P I travel a lot, so don't have a fixed home, and tethering suits me more than fine atm, but ill go over my cap if i start downloading that way
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[10:56] <DusteD> spura, fair enough, well, I think you should consider trying FUSE for OSX and use ext3 or 4 on the disk
[10:57] <wombledom> AHA
[10:58] <spura> DusteD thanks ill try that now
[10:59] <wombledom> The power supply for my rpi interferes with the hdd which forces rtorrent to cache everything and suck out my memory
[11:00] <gordonDrogon> ah good. I can get a PiFace on a Pi in a Pibow case using just the bottom 6 slices of Pibow.
[11:01] <Viper-7> spura: try vShare (i am vshare), and AppCake ;)
[11:01] <spura> viper-7 what do they do?
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[11:02] <DusteD> My rpi was bought only to run xbmc, I wanted to put it in an old dvd player case, when I took apart the dvd player, I found that the power supply in the dvd player had a 5v rail and was on a seperate pcb, so I was able to reuse that for the rpi :D
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[11:03] <Viper-7> download & update apps, wether you want to pay for them or not - they're just huge repositories of every app in the app store, past and present, plus every independent app that isnt certified (in a seperate section)
[11:03] <Viper-7> even the app store itself to a certain degree
[11:03] <Viper-7> all are simply package managers
[11:03] <spura> sounds good, but I'm not looking for jailbroken apps :P
[11:03] <Viper-7> exactly like ubuntu/debian/freebsd/raspbian/adafruit/etc ad nauseum.
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[11:05] <Viper-7> spura: specifically, many are great for finding all the interface/system customization tools, everything from wallpapers and ringtones through to kernel patches to add/alter existing hardware features or change the system interface in ways it wasnt meant to be changed
[11:05] <Viper-7> many of those apps are released as freeware through there
[11:05] <Gadgetoid> I think my Papilio Pro has arrived
[11:05] <Viper-7> they're basically how you take full control of your device
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[11:06] <irgendwer4711> hi, my rasp doenst start anymore :-(
[11:06] <Viper-7> spura: the only difference is yeah, the jailbroken repositories do let you pirate software - the OS repository ones dont :P just open freeware, licenced free/payware, trialware, etc
[11:07] <Viper-7> and of course OS provided content
[11:07] <wombledom> irgendwer4711: what's the activity light do?
[11:07] <spura> viper-7 yep all very good, but i don't jailbreak and don't want any pirated software!
[11:08] <Viper-7> yes.. again, its not all thats on there
[11:08] <spura> cool I'm checking it out now thanks for the tip
[11:08] <Viper-7> a huge share is free/open software and system hacks
[11:08] <Viper-7> spura: i'm just trying to show you similar systems, surely you've used such before, and they're basically the hard part about using linux taken care of (compiling apps and getting a default distribution up and running)
[11:09] <Viper-7> if you can understand them early and learn use to use them well, you'll find linux a much more pleasant experience than many others :P
[11:09] <wombledom> Can a wire chewed up by a cat and respliced cause issues even if its not shorting?
[11:09] <Viper-7> the jailbroken stuff was only an example you might have had contact with, its not all that relevant, dont worry about that lol
[11:10] <Viper-7> wombledom: sure, depending on the "resplice"
[11:10] <irgendwer4711> wombledom: power and some short blinking at ACT
[11:10] <wombledom> Twisted together and electricaltaped
[11:11] <jks> anyone knows of an easy way to add a beeper, buzzer or similar to the raspberrypi - that doesn't require any extra components? (i.e. I looked at buzzers that required me to add a simple circuit with a zener-diode and a resistor)
[11:11] <irgendwer4711> short activity on ACt
[11:11] <Viper-7> wires all chewed up and corroded by saliva no doubt
[11:11] <wombledom> irgendwer4711: is it 3 short blinks every second?
[11:11] <irgendwer4711> no
[11:11] <Viper-7> high resistance / intermittent join
[11:11] <Viper-7> t
[11:11] <Viper-7> whats the wire for?
[11:11] <wombledom> Power supply to rpi
[11:12] <irgendwer4711> wombledom: I tested 3
[11:12] <Viper-7> should be fine
[11:12] <Viper-7> tested it with a meter
[11:12] <Viper-7> and wait, whats the symptoms? you get a few blinks?
[11:12] <irgendwer4711> tp1 and tp2?
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[11:12] <irgendwer4711> no HDD access blinking style
[11:13] <Viper-7> are they clear and defined blinks (like obvious messages), or just a bit of flickering at the start
[11:13] <irgendwer4711> flicker and power LED is pulsing
[11:14] <Viper-7> pulsing?
[11:14] <wombledom> Fried?
[11:14] <irgendwer4711> yes 50%-100% britness
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[11:14] <spura> thanks for your help guys
[11:14] <irgendwer4711> ok pulsing stops
[11:15] <Gadgetoid> Can't remember who wanted the linky, but blam: http://pi.gadgetoid.com/post/042-setting-up-znc-irc-bouncer-on-the-raspberry-pi
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[11:16] <irgendwer4711> raspberry cpu is very hot
[11:17] <jelly1> not hot enough
[11:18] <irgendwer4711> ??
[11:18] <jelly1> irgendwer4711: it doesn't matter that it's hot
[11:18] <irgendwer4711> and now?
[11:19] <irgendwer4711> whats the right current at tp1 and tp2
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[11:23] <gordonDrogon> irgendwer4711, voltage. its the voltage your after not current.
[11:23] <wombledom> Voltage drops if current is too low
[11:24] <gordonDrogon> tp1/tp2 measures votlage not current. If you connect a current meter (ammeter) across them, you'll short circuit the Pi.
[11:24] <irgendwer4711> ok voltage
[11:25] <wombledom> A million volt taser wont light an incandescent light bulb but a 1.5v D battery will
[11:25] <zammalad> is it suitable to use a mains powered USB hub to not only connect devices to the Pi but also to power the Pi via usb to micro usb cable rather than having a micro usb power cable as well?
[11:28] <irgendwer4711> polyfuse seem to be normal
[11:28] <Grievre> zammalad: maybe?
[11:30] <zammalad> would just be nice to limit the amount of kit as much as possible
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[11:38] <knoppies> Gadgetoid, I really like your blog.
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[11:39] <knoppies> zammalad, yes it should be. But be aware that you can back feed power into the pi, which could cause issues.
[11:40] <knoppies> zammalad, Back-feeding may make the use of the micro-USB cable redundant, but I haven't tried that.
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[11:42] <zammalad> knoppies how so? I would have just assumed that the power would come to the usb hub and then out of one of the hub ports to the micro usb power input on the Pi. The hub itself would get usb input through the normal method of connecting to the USB ports on the Pi with a usb a to b connector.
[11:43] <zammalad> would it be down the a to b connector that the feedback may occur?
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[11:44] <knoppies> zammalad, yes. Which bypasses some power safety features (if I am not mistaken, anybody can jump in here and correct me if I am wrong).
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[11:45] <zammalad> in fact, just found out the answer here - https://www.modmypi.com/New-Link-4-Port-USB-Hub-(USB-2.0-with-Mains-Adaptor)
[11:46] <zammalad> seems at least some hubs can support it
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[11:56] <gordonDrogon> Hm. I think my little PiFace project has been thwarted as I can't run it at 9v.
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[11:59] <gordonDrogon> anyone know where I can get a cheap little 5v motor from...
[11:59] <knoppies> gordonDrogon, ebay???
[12:01] <gordonDrogon> knoppies, other than ebay :)
[12:01] <ParkerR> Cheap toys
[12:01] <ParkerR> RC cars
[12:01] <neilr> Model shops?
[12:03] <gordonDrogon> yea.
[12:03] <gordonDrogon> most will be 6v though.
[12:04] <gordonDrogon> it's annoying though - I should have thought this through a little more.
[12:05] <gordonDrogon> The PiFace runs everything at 5v - I can use an external power supply, so I could feed 9v into it, but the relays are 5v relays.
[12:05] <gordonDrogon> my plan was to drive some little Lego 9v motors off it.
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[12:09] <gordonDrogon> ah well. Plan B.
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[12:11] * neilr likes a good Plan B. It normally involves making a cup of tea as a start.
[12:11] <seek^126> hey, i've read that i'll need a 5v micro usb with 700mA to power my raspberry. will 1000mA work as well?
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[12:12] <XpineX> Yeah, the more power the better as long as it's 5 V
[12:12] <neilr> seek^126: yup. 100mA will work.
[12:12] <neilr> 1000
[12:12] <neilr> not 100
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[12:12] <seek^126> ok, thanks :)
[12:13] <SpeedEvil> if you sit on a chair that can support three tons, that does not make you weigh three tons.
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[12:15] <drobban> I made it.... I successfully managed to control my wireless power outlets with the help of my raspberry and a 433mhz transmitter
[12:16] <StMichel> Cool, wireless power!
[12:16] <drobban> StMichel: :P
[12:16] <XpineX> drobban: time for a lengthy guide with lots of pretty pictures, then ;-)
[12:16] <drobban> XpineX: hehe. Perhaps.
[12:16] <drobban> XpineX: where are you from?
[12:17] <XpineX> Denmark
[12:17] <drobban> Do you have Nexa or Jula devices in denmark?
[12:18] <XpineX> Not sure... but we do have very cheap wireless on/off switches
[12:18] <drobban> humm, good to know.
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[12:19] <drobban> Thanks to gordonDrogon wiringPi it was a piece of cake to make
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[12:24] <NetBat> Greetings Pi pickers.
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[12:41] <nailora> my uncle is headmaster of a school, i am a nerd, i told him about the raspberry and that it might be an interesting thing for the tech club at school. are there any reports about such usage?
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[12:41] <knoppies> nailora, LOTS. Im not sure if anything formal though.
[12:42] <nailora> knoppies: i hoped so, but do you have a link to one particular that i could forward?
[12:42] <knoppies> nailora, nope.
[12:43] <pagios> anyone using a C920?
[12:44] <knoppies> pagios, I know someone who used to, but he ditched the Pi in favor of (is it blasphemy to mention a competing product in this channel?)
[12:44] <nid0> no
[12:44] <pagios> knoppies: do you know whats a C920 first?
[12:45] <knoppies> pagios, it is a Logitech webcam which can do H264 encoding on the camera.
[12:45] <pagios> and where do you see the competiton with the pi?
[12:45] <knoppies> pagios, he uses an odroid now, because the odroid is quad core.
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[12:45] <nid0> there are lots and lots of competing products to the pi, most are just more expensive
[12:45] <knoppies> pagios, that is the competition.
[12:46] <knoppies> nid0, correct, but the RPi's cheapness comes with a price.
[12:46] <pagios> whatever
[12:46] <knoppies> pagios, he uses the C920 on the odroid (if I was not clear enough earlier).
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[12:48] <gordonDrogon> I think that the Pi has a high "usability" factor than most things - you can develop /on/ it, run programs on it, use the gpio too. As a teaching platform I think it does OK. Not sure why the push for "more cores" comes from- you need to learn on once core first..
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[12:49] <knoppies> gordonDrogon, he was not trying to teach a classroom full of kids. I think the Pi is great for what it was designed to do. (although the flaky USB gets to me.)
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[12:49] <knoppies> I do however find that trying to use the Pi with any GUI (at least with raspbian) is hopeless. Rendering the graphics processing rather useless (as I now use mine headless).
[12:49] <gordonDrogon> yea, the USB is somewhat of a bugbear for the Pi right now.
[12:51] <gordonDrogon> I'm half hoping it might encourage some new type of devleopment environment - the current GUI based ones are a bit clunky - probably by virtue of them being written in Java or some other higher level system. X on the Pi is OK in itself, but the underlying applications are the greedy ones from waht I've seen.
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[12:51] <gordonDrogon> so brinhg back vi & makefiles ;-)
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[12:58] <wombledom> Woohoo I'm reflashing the sdcard with it still in the pi :D
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[13:06] <gordonDrogon> wombledom, good luck there then.
[13:06] <wombledom> Its alright its running off the hdd right now
[13:07] <gordonDrogon> as long as its not mounted in any way you'll probably be ok.
[13:07] <wombledom> I've done it a lot
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[13:08] <gordonDrogon> I've never bothered with external HDDs on the Pi. Think I plugged in a USB data key once...
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[13:18] <ShadowJK> "more cores" is also a bit silly from the poin of view that even an aging Cortex A8 core @ 700MHz would more or less double performance compared to ARMv6 ;)
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[13:24] <gordonDrogon> a lot of people aren't yet writing multi-threaded programs that would take advantage either.
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[13:30] <Viper-7> again, Go!
[13:30] <Viper-7> golang.org
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[13:31] <jelly1> >_>
[13:31] <jelly1> Viper-7: C vs. Go fight! :p
[13:31] <Viper-7> no contest
[13:31] <jelly1> indeed C wins
[13:31] <Viper-7> nop
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[13:41] <gordonDrogon> maybe I should resurect the occam part of my brain that's now in deep storage...
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[13:42] <Raspiman> Hi all
[13:42] <gordonDrogon> then again, it was fun, but ...
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[14:22] <wombledom> Is it possible to reroute the activity light to an external hdd?
[14:23] <ShiftPlusOne> Yup, it's just using a gpio, so you have full access to that.
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[14:24] <ShiftPlusOne> But it's not just a matter of running a command or changing a config file, you need to know what you're doing.
[14:24] <wombledom> I saw that in the sys/proc directories
[14:25] <wombledom> Yeah, I have to use some sort of driver headers or something
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[14:25] <wombledom> Like a usb storage library or something
[14:26] <wombledom> Or cat something to the gpio
[14:28] <wombledom> I'm no programmer though :(
[14:29] <ShiftPlusOne> Then it's probably more trouble than it's worth to you.
[14:30] <wombledom> Might be a neat project though to start learning
[14:31] <wombledom> I even have a second rpi just for experiments
[14:31] <gordonDrogon> it's probably no easilly possible to use the on-board SD LED to indicate activity on an external HDD.
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[14:31] <gordonDrogon> your external HDD probably has its own activityLED anyway.
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[14:32] <wombledom> Yeah it'd be pointless, its just gonna sit in my closet in a messy pile of wires
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[14:32] <wombledom> I could organize it later
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[14:34] <wombledom> When I get masquerading all set up I might find a way to get it neatly by my desktop
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[14:38] <wombledom> Firmware is read by address location on sd or by filesystem?
[14:39] <fr0g911> morning
[14:39] <ShadowJK> fs
[14:39] <ShadowJK> though I think the first partition has some special constraints
[14:42] <wombledom> I noticed, a single 7g boot partition doesn't work
[14:44] <ShadowJK> Well the boot partition has to be fat
[14:46] <wombledom> It was vfat is that wrong?
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[14:52] <gordonDrogon> yes. FAT only and it's by filename, AIUI.
[14:52] <gordonDrogon> there are several FAT libraries suitable for embedded systems these days. it's pretty well understood.
[14:53] <wombledom> I just had to rewrite the image with dd
[14:54] <wombledom> Is there a way to make the kernel attempt /dev/sda1 and if that fails go to /dev/mmcblk0p2 as a kind of recovery partition?
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[15:01] <gordonDrogon> not that I'm aware of.
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[15:01] <gordonDrogon> if the kernel can't load /sbin/init then its more or less game over.
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[15:03] <ShadowJK> way of having an initramfs?
[15:04] <ShadowJK> dunno if bootloader can load that
[15:04] <ShiftPlusOne> it can
[15:05] <ShiftPlusOne> You'd have to clobber up your own initramfs with a script to do that 'course.
[15:06] <ShadowJK> ya
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[15:24] <wombledom> Super old laptop as control for rpi server. Good or bad idea?
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[15:26] <gordonDrogon> control? anything you can ssh from, or run vnc on ...
[15:26] <gordonDrogon> I power Pi's from my laptops too.
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[15:28] <wombledom> It doesn't have usb
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[15:28] <wombledom> I mean using lan since ssh fails so much
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[15:32] <zleap> how dfo i switch channels on irssi
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[15:34] <wombledom> Ersy
[15:34] <zleap> alt number i worked it out
[15:34] <zleap> i just need to get used to this keyboard on the pi
[15:34] <eggy> sigh
[15:35] <zleap> ok i also need to find the configuration stuff so i can set it up to auto connect to freenode and some channels upon startup
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[15:36] <IT_Sean> Morning.
[15:37] <zleap> morning
[15:37] <Mahjongg> hello, I wonder if there is a device that I can plug my rpi into and it will initiate a proper rpi shutdown if there is a power outage. There are occasional power outages around here and I get sdcard corruption every now and then
[15:38] <Mahjongg> in case this solution is cheaper than a UPS solution
[15:38] <eggy> battery pack? ;-)
[15:38] <Mahjongg> how do you handle your rpi servers?
[15:38] <weltall> there are really cheap ups
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[15:39] <eggy> battery packs.
[15:39] <Mahjongg> eggy, battery pack plugged into AC?
[15:39] <eggy> ya, thats the best I can think of
[15:39] <Tachyon`> charger -> 6v SLA -> regulator -> Pi might work
[15:39] <eggy> I have more of a problem clobbering the sdcard, not power issues
[15:40] <Tachyon`> although that wouldn't shut it down, just power it, you'd need more if you wanted it to detect the power loss
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[15:40] <Mahjongg> Tachyon`, outages don't last long. so that might work
[15:41] <Mahjongg> Tachyon`, regular is for 6v->5v conversion?
[15:41] <Tachyon`> you could have some thing as simple as the charger also powering a relay andthe other side grounding a GPIO when there's powe, that'd give the appopriate isolation
[15:41] <Tachyon`> regulator, yes, I'd use a 7805
[15:45] <Mahjongg> Tachyon`, I am new to electornics, taking my beginner in Arduino classes :) is this what you mean by 7805 regulator? http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/ON-Semiconductor/MC7805CTG/?qs=%252b9/cbd0IE0SRQQJXyw%252b9hQ==
[15:45] <Tachyon`> that's it
[15:45] <Mahjongg> thanks
[15:45] <Tachyon`> although it says minimum input 7 which is a bit concerning
[15:46] <Tachyon`> a 6V SLA does give out more than 6 at full cahrge though
[15:46] <Tachyon`> might be a bit marginal
[15:46] <Tachyon`> I typically feed them 9 or 12, I just suggested 6 as SLA come in that size and it reduces wasted energy in the form of heat
[15:47] <Tachyon`> point is you don't want more than 5 going in as it's passed directly to the USB devices and possibly other things, I don't know
[15:48] <Tachyon`> 7805s aren't particularly efficient but they're as old as the hills, they're used in a lot of things
[15:48] <Mahjongg> the same regulator can do 12->5 as well?
[15:48] <Tachyon`> yeah
[15:49] <Tachyon`> it can take in anything up to 35v
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[15:50] <Raspiman> i love my pi :)
[15:51] <Tachyon`> but will dissipate far more heat if being fed 12v (like 600% more) than it would with 6
[15:51] <wombledom> Hmm load is 0.08 with rtorrent going, seems a bit low
[15:51] <Tachyon`> so would need a reasonable heatsink
[15:51] <zleap> you can get small heatsinks for the pi
[15:51] <Tachyon`> not for the pi, for the 7805
[15:51] <Tachyon`> it does have a hole to bolt it to one though
[15:51] <zleap> thats better
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[15:52] <zleap> i am sure i have seen a small square heatsink that woukd fit on the cpu
[15:52] <zleap> unless that is meant for the regulator
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[15:56] <Tachyon`> it is meant for teh CPU
[15:56] <Tachyon`> but it's the regulator that'll get hot doing what he wants, lol
[15:57] <zleap> ah
[15:57] <zleap> i am sure that regulartor has a heatsink or you can get one anyway
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[15:57] <zleap> iirc it was used on the zx spectrum that had a huge heatsink on it
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[15:58] <zleap> wb
[15:58] <IT_Sean> thx
[15:58] <Mahjongg> how about a solution like this? http://dx.com/p/solar-powered-2600mah-rechargeable-battery-pack-with-cellphone-adapters-30047 how long would rpi run with 2600mAh?
[15:58] <Tachyon`> I know, lol
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[15:58] <Tachyon`> in fact the entire raised section on the 48K spectrum case
[15:58] <Tachyon`> was to fit in a big heatsink for the 7805
[15:58] <zleap> yeah
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[15:58] <Tachyon`> just had to replace one of those recently
[15:59] <zleap> fun days back then eh
[15:59] <Tachyon`> have a rubber keyed 48K boxed in mint condition -.o
[15:59] <zleap> mind you at least back then you could put you feet on the powerpack and keep em warm
[15:59] <Tachyon`> the 128K had a heatsink that was external and ran down the right hand side
[15:59] <zleap> i have a 48k+
[15:59] <Tachyon`> it was called the toastrack for that reason
[15:59] <zleap> lol
[15:59] <Tachyon`> yes, the 48+ was almost the same, but no heatsink (or 128 hardware)
[16:00] <zleap> would be ideal in the current weather conditions
[16:00] <Tachyon`> same keyboard though, you can still buy membranes for those, RWAP had some made for the spectrums and ZX81 a couple of years ago
[16:00] <zleap> ah
[16:00] <zleap> i need a new psu for mine
[16:00] <Tachyon`> got oen for my 128 which had given up after 25 years
[16:00] <zleap> talk to gordonDrogon he has a contact who fixes spectrums
[16:01] <Tachyon`> the PSUs are the same on teh 48/128/+2 (grey)
[16:01] <zleap> last time i plugged my speccy in the psu started smoking
[16:01] <Tachyon`> different only on the +2a/+2b (Black) and +3
[16:01] <Tachyon`> er, that's rather concerning
[16:01] <zleap> yeah
[16:01] <Tachyon`> did you look at the caps?
[16:01] <Tachyon`> it's probably the caps
[16:01] <zleap> in the psu
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[16:01] <Tachyon`> if it is you can simply replace them, it'll be fine
[16:01] <Tachyon`> yes, in the PSU
[16:01] <zleap> hmm
[16:02] <Tachyon`> they'll be visibly bulging with possible venting at the top and gunk
[16:02] <zleap> i am not that confident with electronics, well a bit rusty
[16:02] <Tachyon`> well, as long as you take note of the polarity of them when you replace them
[16:02] <Tachyon`> you'll be fine
[16:02] <zleap> i have seen dead caps so i know what to look for
[16:02] <Tachyon`> (electrolytic caps tend to explode if connected backwards)
[16:02] <zleap> ah
[16:02] <zleap> erk
[16:03] <Tachyon`> but there'll be a stripe down the side indicating the negative side
[16:03] <Tachyon`> so as long as you note which way they are, it'll be fine, lol
[16:04] <zleap> yup i got a few electronics books just a bit rusty with regard to soldering
[16:04] <IT_Sean> Tachyon`: they also explode if you stick them into a mains socket, then turn the power on
[16:04] <zleap> its a project for the future
[16:04] <zleap> well if they are low voltage caps i guess they would explode
[16:05] <IT_Sean> Indeed.
[16:05] <zleap> usually the caps in a psu are there to help smooth the voltage out of the bridge rectifier on the dc side of the erm
[16:05] <IT_Sean> To this day i bet my old Interface Design professor cringes when he turns on a lightswitch...
[16:05] <zleap> transformer
[16:06] <zleap> why would he cringe at a lightswitch?
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[16:06] <IT_Sean> there may have been an incident with some low voltage caps and a light socket...
[16:06] <zleap> ah
[16:06] <zleap> lol
[16:06] <zleap> student joke i take it
[16:06] <IT_Sean> Yup.
[16:07] <zleap> nice
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[16:07] <zleap> back in the days before elf and safety too, when science was fun
[16:08] <IT_Sean> elf and safety? Oooh... health and safety. Aka: the touchey feely brigade.
[16:09] <zleap> yeah
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[16:09] <zleap> well its not the HSEs fault they are fine, its the jobsworths in concils who make the silly rules up and say its for health and safety
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[16:14] * Tachyon` looks at IT_Sean
[16:14] <Tachyon`> glad I didn't go to school with you
[16:15] <Tachyon`> not sure I'd have survived it
[16:15] <IT_Sean> te he he
[16:15] <Tachyon`> mind you, we used to point breadboards containing 74 series chips at people then overload them with predictable results
[16:15] <Tachyon`> so I can't talk
[16:15] <kolya> morning
[16:15] <IT_Sean> LOL!
[16:17] <zleap> lol
[16:18] <zleap> my electronics tutor told me they used to chuck tvs out the window and watch em break up or something when they hit the floor
[16:19] <IT_Sean> That's doing it wrong.
[16:19] * zleap likes laurel and hardy busy bodies, full floor to celing band saw, no guard in site
[16:19] <IT_Sean> You are supposed to throw the TV into a swimming pool.
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[16:19] <kolya> my electronics teacher saved them for spare parts for our projects :)
[16:19] <zleap> this was when they worked elsewhere before teaching i think
[16:21] <zleap> i assume you mean chuck on in a swimming pool when on
[16:21] <zleap> you did that
[16:21] <IT_Sean> Yes
[16:21] <zleap> big bang
[16:21] <IT_Sean> They have to be on when they hit the water or it doesn't count
[16:21] <zleap> or huge bang
[16:22] <zleap> who has the job of fishing em out of the pool then
[16:22] <arcanescu> is there a way to list all wifi hotspots using your wifi dongle ?
[16:22] <Tachyon`> iwscan I think
[16:22] <Tachyon`> one moment
[16:22] <arcanescu> apparently i have tried sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart it keeps sending discover but doesnt connect
[16:23] <Tachyon`> ah, iwlist, my bad
[16:23] <arcanescu> i have a /etc/wpa.config file with network={ } stuff in there and iface wlan0 inet dhcp in /network/interfaces
[16:23] <arcanescu> it keeps saying on restart failed to bring up wlan0
[16:24] <arcanescu> i have also added this in .netowkr/interfaces wpa-conf /etc/wpa.config
[16:24] <buzzsaw> kismet and airodump-ng are real good at taking a look at wifi around you :-)
[16:24] <Tachyon`> I think it's jsut iwlist wlan0 scan
[16:24] <Tachyon`> to show you the APs
[16:24] <arcanescu> and how do you connect to them ?
[16:24] <Tachyon`> beyond that I'm not too sure, network manager handles my wifi config quite well
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[16:25] <buzzsaw> this contains a list of helpful wifi commands http://wirelessdefence.org/Contents/LinuxWirelessCommands.htm
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[16:26] <arcanescu> well not sure what im doing wrong
[16:26] <arcanescu> to have it this way
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[16:29] <arcanescu> here is my setup : http://pastebin.com/CWveeqj4
[16:31] <arcanescu> can anyone point out whats wrong with that?
[16:33] <buzzsaw> what errors are you getting?
[16:34] <arcanescu> DHCPDISCOVER on wlan0 to port 67 interval 3 DHCPDISCOVER on wlan0 to port 67 interval 5
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[16:34] <arcanescu> Unable to obtain a lease on first try. Exiting.
[16:34] <arcanescu> failed to bring up wlan0
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[16:38] <azeam> arcanescu: could be a power issue, what are you using to power the RPi? Do you have a lot of USB devices connected to it?
[16:38] <arcanescu> azeam: no just one
[16:39] <arcanescu> and this is it
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[16:39] <arcanescu> but you do beleive that my configuration is correct right?
[16:40] <azeam> don't see any obvious errors but it's been a while since I configured a wi-fi connection manually
[16:41] <azeam> DHCP is setup and working on the router?
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[16:42] <zleap> chat later
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[16:43] <arcanescu> yes it is
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[16:48] <azeam> what was the power supply you were using?
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[16:48] <arcanescu> azeam: standard usb power for the dongle ... as in not a powered hub
[16:48] <arcanescu> azeam: and im powering it through a 5v power supply
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[16:49] <azeam> current rating?
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[16:53] <arcanescu> dont know its a standard 5v power supply from maplin
[16:53] <buzzsaw> there is no such thing as a standard 5v power supply :-)
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[16:53] <buzzsaw> look on the plug it has a current rating
[16:54] <arcanescu> well ive soldered wires onto the pi and plugged it into a proper power supply
[16:54] <arcanescu> so i dont know the rating on that
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[16:54] <buzzsaw> look at it :-)
[16:54] <buzzsaw> you should see something like 5v==500mA
[16:54] <arcanescu> anyway ive now inserted the dongle through a power hub... that should resolve it if it was a hub problem ?
[16:54] <Twist-> Sounds like an improper power supply if its input and output power are not listed on the label.
[16:55] <arcanescu> ok i get it ... lets not all be clever and sherlock holmes about the power supply.... powering it through a hub should solve the problem....
[16:55] <arcanescu> yet i still get the same
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[16:56] <buzzsaw> well just look at it youll learnsomething usefull...
[16:56] <arcanescu> the supply has tons of things on top it .... id have to go ahead remove them and then get on with the task at hand...
[16:56] <arcanescu> im sure it isnt a power problem....
[16:57] <ReggieUK> what's the problem?
[16:57] <buzzsaw> sounds like power problems
[16:57] * buzzsaw goes back to work
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[17:02] <arcanescu> ReggieUK: DHCPDISCOVER on wlan0 to port 67 interval 3 DHCPDISCOVER on wlan0 to port 67 interval 5
[17:02] <arcanescu> here is my setup : http://pastebin.com/CWveeqj4
[17:02] <arcanescu> and its not a power problem.... just because there is something wrong doesnt mean its always pinned to power ...
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[17:05] <azeam> you skipped the error part: Unable to obtain a lease on first try. Exiting. failed to bring up wlan0
[17:05] <buzzsaw> arcanescu: you dont even know the current ratting on your power supply how do you know its not power?
[17:05] <buzzsaw> you might also be trying to get an address to quickly before you connect
[17:06] <arcanescu> buzzsaw: not having that discussion... thanks
[17:06] <arcanescu> azeam: its in the pastebin
[17:07] <azeam> I don't see it there but if you say so ;)
[17:07] <arcanescu> azeam: sorry .... it isnt
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[17:07] <buzzsaw> arcanescu: dude, people are trying to help and you dont want to have that discussion...
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[17:08] <saml> hello
[17:08] <ReggieUK> if you're getting issues with a usb device, the first thing to check is always the power supply, especially if you're using a wifi device, as it will pull more power than a keyboard or mouse
[17:08] <saml> is running bitcoin miner worth electricity bill?
[17:08] <arcanescu> ReggieUK: IM powering the device through a HUB now
[17:08] <arcanescu> ive made that very clear
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[17:09] <arcanescu> external powered hub#
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[17:09] <buzzsaw> whats the power ratting on that external hub?
[17:09] <buzzsaw> what card are you using?
[17:09] <buzzsaw> not all power is created the same :-)
[17:09] <buzzsaw> some has more current some has less...
[17:09] <Dagger2> saml: depends on the power efficiency of your hardware and the cost of your power
[17:10] <arcanescu> buzzsaw: dc 5v
[17:10] <Dagger2> (if "your hardware" is a raspberry pi, then no)
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[17:10] <arcanescu> and wifi is: Bus 001 Device 005: ID 148f:5370 Ralink Technology, Corp. RT5370 Wireless Adapter
[17:10] <Hoerie> <arcanescu> buzzsaw: dc 5v <-- the amperage is probably more interesting than the voltage
[17:10] <clever> arcanescu: thats missing the key figure, amps
[17:10] <saml> wait.. 1 BTC is 130 USD..
[17:10] <buzzsaw> arcanescu: that is voltage now how about current capability?
[17:10] <saml> so if i mine one bitcoin, i pay for rpi
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[17:11] <nid0> yeah and on a pi, 1 bitcoin will probably take like a decade to mine
[17:11] <buzzsaw> yeah but your not going to be able to mine a bitcoin on a pi :-)
[17:11] <Hoerie> <saml> so if i mine one bitcoin, i pay for rpi <-- 1 bitcoin will take you a long time :-)
[17:11] <saml> really?
[17:11] <saml> :(
[17:11] <saml> i guess.. nothing's free
[17:11] <Hoerie> there's no "get rich quick" schemes
[17:11] <clever> saml: if you dont have much processing power, your better off joining a mining pool
[17:12] <clever> saml: basicaly, 200 people crunch numbers until somebody wins, then everybody gets a cut in the coin
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[17:12] <saml> clever,ah thanks
[17:12] <arcanescu> buzzaw: http://www.maplin.co.uk/raspberrypi it was from here in this box is the hub
[17:12] <arcanescu> and it doesnt say a CURRENT rating on it
[17:12] <arcanescu> now is that my fault?
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[17:13] <Grievre> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1319139499/pixelpusher
[17:13] <Hoerie> doesn't the usb spec state 500mAh? As in too little for a pi?
[17:13] <clever> arcanescu: it clearly says its a 2.1amp adapter
[17:14] <nid0> thats the mains plug, not the hub
[17:14] <chithead> the rpi input fuse is rated 700mA, so it can take more than 500 especially if you have stuff connected to the usb ports
[17:14] <clever> the hub has to get its power from somewhere
[17:14] <arcanescu> ok so that is enough for the WIFI
[17:14] <arcanescu> or should be
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[17:18] <buzzsaw> arcanescu: yes.
[17:19] <buzzsaw> arcanescu: it has the amp ratting ont i :-)
[17:19] <zastaph> RPi hs not enough power for SSD right?
[17:20] <arcanescu> buzzsaw: great... now what else
[17:20] <arcanescu> since the power is out of the way
[17:20] <buzzsaw> arcanescu: here this should help http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Electronics/Voltage,_Current,_and_Power
[17:20] <buzzsaw> I will try to find you a better link later but I have to take a conferennce call.
[17:20] <buzzsaw> Most likley now that its out of the way your dealing with a situation where your trying to get a ip address before you have authenticated
[17:20] <arcanescu> thanks alot....
[17:21] <buzzsaw> your welcome. any time
[17:21] <buzzsaw> but... try to do things manualy first
[17:21] <buzzsaw> make sure your authenticating first
[17:21] <arcanescu> how do i do that?
[17:21] <arcanescu> moving the line wpa-conf before?
[17:21] <buzzsaw> once you authenticate then try to grab an ip address
[17:21] <buzzsaw> be back afer a while
[17:22] <buzzsaw> arcanescu: I am at my full time job now have to take this call...
[17:22] <arcanescu> does someone have a working /etc/network/interfaces for a wifi if yes please post
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[17:23] <buzzsaw> try reading this http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/debian-linux-wpa-wpa2-wireless-wifi-networking/ see if that helps
[17:24] <murphycr> So if anyone remembers my issues with my networking on my RPi... I think it's because I partially fried the USB controller
[17:25] <murphycr> Would that manifest as a USB Keyboard acting up when plugged in? ie dropping and inserting random characters?
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[17:26] <azeam> murphycr: what does "partially fried" mean? :) The dropping and inserting of characters with USB keyboards is likely related to the USB bug that is being worked on, try to update to the latest kernel, most problems seem to have been resolved now
[17:27] <buzzsaw> arcanescu: this guy looks like he had the same issue as you and recomended a script did not read it all http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3//viewtopic.php?f=27&t=13311
[17:27] <murphycr> azeam: i'm running a kernel I build from the git repo
[17:27] <neilr> http://www.ronketti.org.uk/network.html
[17:27] <azeam> murphycr: version?
[17:27] <neilr> arcanescu: check the above link - it's what I put together ages ago
[17:27] <murphycr> Linux praxis 3.6.11-praxia+ #1 PREEMPT Fri Mar 29 11:11:54 EDT 2013 armv6l GNU/Linux
[17:28] <murphycr> neilr: I have services listening; the problem is that after an indeterminate amount of time, they stop until I restart networking
[17:28] <arcanescu> neilr buzzsaw: thanks looking at it now
[17:28] <murphycr> they still listen locally, but it's like it just stops accepting inbound tcp connections
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[17:30] <azeam> murphycr: what git repository is that from? Have the recent USB fixes been pushed to it?
[17:30] <murphycr> azeam: the raspian one
[17:30] <murphycr> It manifested on a fresh install I did 5 days ago too...
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[17:31] <murphycr> azeam: I'll get the link... one sec
[17:32] <murphycr> azeam: https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux master
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[17:35] <azeam> murphycr: ok, you should try the latest available through rpi-update instead, currently Linux raspberrypi 3.6.11+ #403 PREEMPT I think
[17:36] <murphycr> azeam: Will apt-get update not work?
[17:36] <arcanescu> neilr: Looks like you're using the new 2012-09-18-wheezy-raspbian image.
[17:36] <arcanescu> that script doesnt work for my image
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[17:37] <azeam> murphycr: no, it's not a stable release yet
[17:38] <murphycr> azeam: What package is that command in?
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[17:39] <murphycr> The kernel I but was from master... would that not be the most up to date?
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[17:39] <azeam> murphycr: see https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-update
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[17:42] <arcanescu> iwlist is in what package? ... ?
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[17:45] <buzzsaw> apt-cache search iwlist
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[17:45] <buzzsaw> I think its in wireless-tools
[17:46] <buzzsaw> thats what the first link on google said ;-)
[17:46] <buzzsaw> and the second
[17:46] <murphycr> azeam: Rebooting into the new firmware... I guess we'll find out in a moment :P
[17:46] <azeam> murphycr: sorry, missed your question, afaik the master branch is the latest stable release
[17:47] <buzzsaw> arcanescu: do you have the correct firmware and everything installed too?
[17:47] <murphycr> azeam: That's where I built my kernel from... I imagine if the firmware was out of date that might be a problem though... Hopefully once this is up I can run a side-by-side comparison
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[17:48] <azeam> murphycr: yes, but you don't want the stable release, you want the bleeding edge kernel that has the usb fixes implemented
[17:49] <murphycr> azeam: Ah. Ok.
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[17:50] <murphycr> azeam: ugh. Now it won't boot. I get the 3x act light blinking
[17:50] <murphycr> anyway, I have to go grab some lunch... I'll address this when I get back I gues
[17:51] <arcanescu> buzzsaw: yes... i did iwlist wlan0 scan i can see AP's
[17:51] <arcanescu> =/
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[18:27] <DeliriumTremens> regret not making an account when ordering from the Pi store
[18:27] <DeliriumTremens> not being able to track packages is so 1985
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[19:26] <rgoodwin> question: my berry boot used to allow VNC over wireless at boot (yesterday). installed openelec and raspbian (and updated it) via berry boot. now, when reboot, i get the prompt that says "connect with VNC", but wifi isn't up and running until raspbian load
[19:26] <rgoodwin> s
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[19:27] <rgoodwin> ack, sorry about that. wrong button :) back to my VNC question ;)
[19:27] <rgoodwin> i can't imagine why it stopped working.
[19:29] <rgoodwin> duble checked the cmdline.txt and the wpa_supplicant file. nothing changed
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[19:33] <murphycr> azeam: Figured out why it wouldn't boot after running rpi-update... That script didn't replace loader.bin
[19:33] <azeam> murphycr: good, got it working now?
[19:34] <murphycr> azeam: Yeah... We'll see if the network issues re-appear... I thought newer firmwares didn't require loader.bin though
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[19:34] <blz> Hi, what's the command to set up the locale?
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[19:35] <azeam> murphycr: sounds good, is the keyboard working better?
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[19:36] <azeam> blz: you can set it up with raspi-config
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[19:40] <windsurf_> I have a tiny belkin usb wifi dongle but when I plug it into the Pi USB it restarts the Pi and the desktop is frozen. How can I get it to work? Do I need a powered usb hub?
[19:41] <azeam> windsurf_: you should plug it in before you boot the pi
[19:41] <windsurf_> it == ?
[19:41] <azeam> and a powered usb hub is probably better
[19:41] <azeam> it = the wifi dongle
[19:41] <windsurf_> i think i have tried that
[19:41] <windsurf_> I *have* tried that. freezes.
[19:41] <IT_Sean> And it still doesn't work?
[19:42] <windsurf_> but haven't tried the usb hub
[19:42] <IT_Sean> It's probably drawing too much
[19:42] <IT_Sean> try a powered ub
[19:42] <windsurf_> IT_Sean: correc.t
[19:42] <windsurf_> ok next problem, assuming I can get that to work, how do I get it to join my network? (chicken-egg problem). Can I set the settings ahead of time somewhere for the wifi network so that i move it to the area without a network cable it'll connect?
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[19:45] <rgoodwin> well. ok i fixed that bit about berry boot. now. openelec??? i have wifi working when berry menu is up, but openelec starts and it drops
[19:45] <rgoodwin> have configured in openelec meu
[19:45] <rgoodwin> menu even
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[19:46] <azeam> no monitor I assume? If you have a computer running linux (or a live cd, or some ext tool for Windows) I guess you could connect the sd card to it and set it up by editing the config files from there
[19:46] <rgoodwin> i do have a monitor
[19:46] <azeam> that was meant to windsurf_
[19:46] <rgoodwin> and keyboard
[19:46] <rgoodwin> oh lo
[19:46] <rgoodwin> l
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[19:57] <azeam> murphycr: regarding the loader.bin thing, see this thread http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=39418
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[19:59] <murphycr> azeam: I fixed it.... But are you saying I should run it again to get rid of loader.bin entirely?
[20:00] <murphycr> s/of loader.bin/the need for loader.bin/
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[20:01] <azeam> murphycr: well, no - if it ain't broke, don't fix it ;) but there's some information there that might be of interest
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[20:02] <murphycr> azeam: that did seem to fix my ssh issues though :D Thanks
[20:02] <azeam> great ;)
[20:03] <azeam> windsurf_: think you dropped out before you saw my answer so here it is again: no monitor I assume? If you have a computer running linux (or a live cd, or some ext tool for Windows) I guess you could connect the sd card to it and set it up by editing the config files from there
[20:03] <windsurf_> azeam: I am comfortable on the command line in os x. i've been ssh'ing into the pi so far
[20:03] <windsurf_> and using vnc
[20:03] <windsurf_> but that's with a network cable.
[20:04] <fryguy> how many usb devices can a raspberry pi address? i'm wondering the feasability of connecting several external HDs to one via a USB hub and turning it into a file server.
[20:04] <windsurf_> i want to move the pi to a colleague's office where he only has secured wifi.
[20:04] <windsurf_> my powered hub doesn't seem to work with the pi ??? doesn't look like it's even getting powered despite being plugged in.
[20:04] <windsurf_> weird.
[20:04] <kkit> fryguy, if you're doing much IO that's going to be way slow
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[20:05] <Tenkawa> so anyone running a 3.8 kernel on a pi with a usb root fs?
[20:05] <fryguy> kkit: just need ethernet speed for streaming, so not a ton of IO. more concernec about storage capacity. if I have enough throughput to stream HD content that's fine
[20:05] <XpineX> fryguy: If I remember correctly, the USB standard says that you can address 127 units, but remember that the rPi uses USB for the ethernet interface as well and as kkit says, it's going to be slow
[20:06] <windsurf_> maybe a wifi hub would be better...
[20:06] <windsurf_> hm.
[20:06] <windsurf_> ethernet -> wifi hub??
[20:06] <azeam> windsurf_: well, you could do like I said, but I guess it'll be annoying if you have to bring it back home again to re-edit any mistakes, easiest I guess would be to bring a monitor while you set it up
[20:06] <windsurf_> configure wifi hub with a laptop then plug it back into the network cable on the pi, so pi just sees it as a hard wired net connection rather than as connected via wifi
[20:06] <windsurf_> yeah
[20:07] <fryguy> XpineX: how slow is slow?
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[20:07] <azeam> fryguy: how many hard drives are you planning to connect to it?
[20:08] <XpineX> fryguy, I'm pretty sure that a single harddrive is able to use the full available bandwidth on the USB bus
[20:08] <XpineX> ... if the ethernet interface is used at the same time
[20:08] <fryguy> azeam: unsure at this point, probably on the order of 4-6
[20:08] <fryguy> probably 2 to start with, looking to do mirrored stripes
[20:09] <fryguy> so a pair of 3tb hds
[20:09] <jelly1> fryguy: with the PI?
[20:09] <fryguy> i have a big fileserver machine now that basically sits idle all of the time and wastes power, was investigating the feasabilllty of having a pi handle it
[20:09] <jelly1> fryguy: I won't do it
[20:09] <XpineX> fryguy, I have been playing with the idea to turn the rPi into a NAS, but it simply is not strong enough and 100Mbit ethernet is too slow
[20:09] <jelly1> if you want a stable nas
[20:10] <XpineX> jelly1: why would it not be stable ?
[20:10] <jelly1> XpineX: if you're going to read much of the disk
[20:10] <jelly1> and do ethernet
[20:10] <jelly1> not sure, but I wouldn't put my money on it
[20:11] <azeam> I'm using my pi as a nas with a single hdd and it works just fine, 100mbit is fine for watching hd content which is what I'm mainly using it for, don't know how well it would work with up to 6 usb drives though
[20:12] <jelly1> I would rather use a real network chip
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[20:14] <ReggieUK> has anyone tried it yet?
[20:14] <ReggieUK> with a real network chip
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[20:14] <jelly1> o?
[20:14] <gordonDrogon> how would you interface one to the Pi?
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[20:15] * IT_Sean wonders the same
[20:15] <gordonDrogon> well there is that...
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[20:15] <plugwash> I know someone has hooked up an ENC28j60 SPI ethernet controller
[20:15] <gordonDrogon> I have ha someone ask me if I'd interface an SPI chip to the Pi as part of a project... I declined.
[20:15] <jelly1> well isn't the ethernet chip connected via usb
[20:15] <windsurf_> ok cool. i have wifi and network cable plugged in, powered usb hub and i now see the usb dongle.. gonna see if I can configure for a network that doesn't exist..
[20:15] <IT_Sean> jelly1: it is. But, how else would you add one?
[20:15] <windsurf_> (here)
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[20:16] <jelly1> IT_Sean:I'm not a hardwar eguy
[20:16] <IT_Sean> clearly.
[20:16] <plugwash> linux has a driver for the enc28j60 and AIUI it's just a matter of doing some kernel plumbing to hook it up to the SPI driver
[20:17] <jelly1> IT_Sean: just saying If he is going to mirror such large drives, I'd say the pi wouldn't be able to handle it
[20:17] <plugwash> (though the enc28j60 is only 10 mbps, there are faster SPI ethernet controllers but I dunno if anyone has tried one with a Pi)
[20:17] <jelly1> since he will use software raid on 3TB x 2
[20:17] <azeam> windsurf_: if you have a laptop you could also connect the pi to it via ethernet, bring them to the office and set it up via ssh
[20:17] <gordonDrogon> "just a matter of doing some kernel plumbing" <- Famous last words ;-)
[20:17] <IT_Sean> yeah
[20:17] <windsurf_> azeam: thought about that, but would I need a twisted pair (i think that's what you call it when the network cable is crimped backwards)
[20:17] <gordonDrogon> The Pi will do 32Mb/sec over the SPI bus, but the target device has to be very close...
[20:18] <jelly1> IT_Sean: because if he will write something to I would say the bus would get overloaded but imo not sure till your try ;)
[20:18] <azeam> windsurf_: the pi detects it automatically so it won't be needed
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[20:18] <IT_Sean> windsurf_: the days of needing a xover cable are largely gone. :p
[20:18] <gordonDrogon> and you don't get much cpu/memory left when doing that..
[20:18] <windsurf_> azeam: neat
[20:18] <windsurf_> azeam: so, when i plug that into my laptop, how do i connect, does it just get an ip as though the pi were plugged into a router?
[20:19] <windsurf_> IT_Sean: ah then i'm dating myself :P
[20:19] <jelly1> windsurf_: depends on your network setup :P
[20:19] <azeam> windsurf_: if you set it up correctly yes, kind of, if it's mac you're using I can't help you there though
[20:19] <windsurf_> ya mac
[20:19] <jelly1> I have setup the Pi + ethernet to my laptop with WiFi connection on linux with networkmanager
[20:20] <jelly1> super easy
[20:20] <windsurf_> but it's essentially freebsd
[20:20] <windsurf_> jelly1: network manager configures your pi?
[20:20] <jelly1> windsurf_: no
[20:20] <windsurf_> oh identifies the pi?
[20:20] <jelly1> I configured networkmanager to let the Pi get a lease on my ethernet port
[20:21] <jelly1> and passthrough traffic
[20:21] <windsurf_> i see
[20:21] <windsurf_> i don't know how to do that.
[20:21] <windsurf_> but could i ssh in instead i wonder
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[20:21] <IT_Sean> to SSH to the Pi, the Pi will need an IP
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[20:23] <windsurf_> ic
[20:24] <windsurf_> seems like it would be a lot easier (though more expensive) to just use this
[20:24] <windsurf_> http://www.londondrugs.com/D-Link-All-in-One-Mobile-Companion---DIR-505/L6383558,default,pd.html
[20:24] <windsurf_> configure it for the wifi network with my laptop then plug it into the pi
[20:24] <windsurf_> oh
[20:24] <windsurf_> no, i think you'd have to wifi connect to that thing first.
[20:25] <azeam> windsurf_: I think you are making it overly complicated, it shouldn't be too difficult to set up a local network via ethernet on your laptop
[20:25] <jelly1> windsurf_: do you have a wifi connection at home?
[20:26] <windsurf_> i have wired and wireless at home but the goal is to bring the pi to a location that has a secured wifi-only network.
[20:26] <windsurf_> a specific one. i know the network name and pass and security type
[20:26] <jelly1> so you need a usb wifi hub anyway?
[20:27] <windsurf_> jelly1: um. i'm not sure about my terminology????? i would think an easy way would be pi -> ethernet -> device with wifi
[20:27] <windsurf_> not sure if 'device' is a hub/switch/router...
[20:27] <jelly1> o.o
[20:28] <windsurf_> the device would be configured on my laptop first to know how to connect to the wifi network at the location i'll be at
[20:28] <IT_Sean> what is the "device"
[20:28] <IT_Sean> is it a router? a hub? a bridge?
[20:29] <pksato> windsurf_: you need to pre configure network on rpi?
[20:29] <windsurf_> IT_Sean: ^^^ i'm kind of asking that
[20:29] <pksato> and, rpi dont have a displaya and keyboard?
[20:29] <windsurf_> IT_Sean: i would buy the device whose function i'm describing
[20:29] <windsurf_> no keyboard, no monitor for pi pksato
[20:29] <windsurf_> but i do have vnc set up
[20:30] <pksato> you need to know ip address (or host name)
[20:31] <windsurf_> pksato: i know the host name of the wifi LAN
[20:31] <pksato> some dhcp server can register host name on local dns.
[20:31] <windsurf_> i mean, it's gonna be like and i can determine that with my laptop when i'm connected to that lan
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[20:32] <pksato> use fixed ip on ethernet.
[20:33] <pksato> or use serial console to access rpi.
[20:35] <clever> dhcp server logs also reveal the ip
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[20:38] <pksato> another possible, create a network config file on /boot (fat fs).
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[20:44] <windsurf_> screw it, for $40 i'm going to go grab a travel router and use it as a bridge.
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[20:54] <azeam> argh, anyone have any simple solution to ethernet cables with the tip holding it stuck being broke? Cable keeps disconnecting whenever I move
[20:55] <azeam> and I'm in the middle of an important hockey game on the internet radio ;)
[20:55] <BurtyB> cut the end off and re-crimp it :)
[20:55] <IT_Sean> Put a new end on it
[20:56] <azeam> yes, I'll probably have to that, but right now there's no time for that :)
[20:56] <azeam> have to do*
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[20:56] <jelly1> ducktape
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[20:56] <kkit> hot glue
[20:57] <IT_Sean> cement
[20:57] <azeam> ducktape will have to do for now, thanks ;)
[20:57] <azeam> hot glue the cable to the laptop?
[20:57] <IT_Sean> molecular bonding agent
[20:57] <azeam> :)
[20:58] <kkit> well, just a dot of it
[20:58] <kkit> same idea as a tack weld
[20:59] <IT_Sean> oooh, that's an idea! plastic weld the plug to the laptop
[20:59] <azeam> hehe, well, there's no lack of imagination here at least :)
[21:00] <IT_Sean> put the cable into the laptop, then dip the whoooole thing in a vat of epoxy
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[21:00] <BurtyB> or you could just get another cable...
[21:00] <IT_Sean> there is that, as well.
[21:01] <IT_Sean> Or re-end the cable he has.
[21:01] <BurtyB> already said that - wanted something quicker heh
[21:01] <azeam> cable is like 25 meters long, comes up from the first floor, so a re-end sounds better
[21:02] <IT_Sean> That's quite a long cable.
[21:02] <azeam> it is indeed
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[21:04] <descention> is there any way to determine, by software, if the Pi is being powered from the micro USB vs any of the two USB ports?
[21:05] <pksato> no
[21:05] <descention> can I do so by connecting anything to the gpio?
[21:05] <pksato> no
[21:05] <zleap> i don;t think you cna power from the usb port can you
[21:05] <descention> you can
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[21:05] <zleap> ok
[21:06] <descention> I can at least with by rev 2 model B
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[21:06] <zleap> ok
[21:06] <pksato> but, after some modifications is possible.
[21:06] <azeam> descention: just out of curiosity, why do you want to do that?
[21:06] <azeam> know that I mean
[21:06] <zleap> ah you modify it first, ok, not sure why you would want to what is wrng with the micrio usb power in
[21:07] <descention> azeam: I want the pi to tell the difference between power from my TV (via micro usb) and power from the lapdock (via a usb port)
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[21:07] <descention> zleap: I didn't have to mod my pi at all to power it via a usb port
[21:07] <zleap> ok
[21:08] <zleap> "but, after some modifications is possible." i want by that
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[21:09] <descention> oh, nvm. I can do my end goal by detecting the USB devices attached
[21:09] <pksato> if pwd by micro usb, have a voltage drop over F3. can be use some comparator to detect it.
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[21:09] <descention> pksato: thanks
[21:09] <azeam> descention: when you power it from the normal usb port, does it show in the logs as a connected device or something? Maybe you could monitor the log files for that
[21:10] <azeam> I guess not
[21:10] <descention> azeam: the lapdock shows up as a usb hub
[21:10] <azeam> ok, well then it should be possible
[21:11] <descention> Thanks all for helping me brainstorm
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[21:12] <pksato> and, if no load on psu side of micro usb, if pwr come from usb por gpio, no have a voltage drop over F3.
[21:12] <pksato> but, its is teorical, need pratical test.
[21:13] <pksato> and, hysteresis of GPIO can be used do make a comparator. use voltage divider to put voltage on GPIO input close to logica transition.
[21:14] <descention> anyone interested in my video of the pi powered by just the usb port?
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[21:17] <ParkerR> descention, Sure. I have one too http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0hc_z1L03Q
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[21:17] <descention> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_LlnGGHXio
[21:17] <ParkerR> descention, :P beat ya :P
[21:17] <ParkerR> r/:P/
[21:17] <descention> yep
[21:17] <ParkerR> Oooh nice mounting
[21:18] <IT_Sean> O_O
[21:18] <descention> did you have to modify the cable/
[21:18] <descention> ?
[21:19] <ParkerR> descention, Yeah I bought a micro USB male to micro female and just spliced in a normal usb end
[21:19] <descention> ah
[21:19] <azeam> YES!!!!!!!!! "my" team is in the finals!
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[21:22] <descention> ParkerR: thanks for the compliment on the mounting. I used velcro
[21:23] <descention> Is it possible to detect, via software, the HDMI output being active/plugged in?
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[21:25] <azeam> descention: try /opt/vc/bin/tvservice -s
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[21:26] <descention> azeam: will do next time my pi is on. Thanks
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[21:45] <zastaph> do SD cards wear fast? is it not good to use as primary drive for a client or server with high data access ?
[21:45] <IT_Sean> I wouldn't worry about it
[21:45] <IT_Sean> By the time the SD wears out, you'll be wanting to do a major refresh of the OS anyway.
[21:46] <zastaph> does some of you use an external SSD ?
[21:46] <zastaph> i read its not enough power to do that
[21:47] <IT_Sean> you would have to seperately power an external drive
[21:47] <IT_Sean> or use a powered USB hub
[21:48] <zastaph> also read that SD cards wears faster (or becomes slower) for every reformat
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[21:49] <IT_Sean> I really think you are creating an issue where none exists, zastaph
[21:49] <zastaph> better safe than sorry :)
[21:50] <zastaph> says the guy who runs 2 ZFS setups, one for backup :)
[21:51] <IT_Sean> I really wouldn't worry about the write limit
[21:52] <tebruno99> zastaph formats don't write to the entire disk ever
[21:52] <LTCoin> Attaching a SATA drive to my Raspberry Pie>
[21:52] <tebruno99> zastaph so that would be a very poor claim
[21:52] <zastaph> depends how you format :)
[21:52] <tebruno99> not really
[21:53] <tebruno99> formatting is a filesystem thing
[21:53] <tebruno99> if you want to zero out the drive or something, thats usually another step
[21:53] <tebruno99> you should never low level format drives since EIDE
[21:53] <zastaph> since what
[21:54] <tebruno99> enhanced ide
[21:54] <gordonDrogon> exactly.
[21:54] <tebruno99> and drive made after like 1998 should not be low level formated
[21:54] <tebruno99> maybe even before that
[21:54] <zastaph> i did that with all mine
[21:55] <zastaph> mostly to check them for errors
[21:55] <tebruno99> i didn't know BIOS even had that option anymore
[21:56] <tebruno99> zastaph and it doesn't work on SSD or SD anyway
[21:56] <tebruno99> because they write balance
[21:56] <tebruno99> you very well could have just written 2 blocks over and over if you tried
[21:56] <kkit> i didn't even think you /could/ do a LLF on modern drives
[21:57] <tebruno99> kkit you can't
[21:57] <tebruno99> I think he means he didn't "quick format"
[21:57] <tebruno99> which still isn't writing to all sectors of the drive
[21:58] <zastaph> i used boot and nuke tool
[21:58] <tebruno99> well, you could place a new SATA drive with IDE connector into a pre 1998 motherboard and do a LLF
[21:58] <gordonDrogon> I'm never convinced that SSDs do the whole write wear balancing thing anyway.
[21:58] <zastaph> but dd also worked
[21:58] <tebruno99> zastaph its still write balanced
[21:58] <gordonDrogon> if they did, then they could only do it once as they don't know the underlying filesystem...
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[21:58] <tebruno99> zastaph theres no guaranty you even touched more than a few blocks
[21:59] <zastaph> heh ok, well it took a day or so
[21:59] <gordonDrogon> er, not SSDs, but SDs ...
[21:59] <zastaph> with SATA
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[21:59] <Gadgetoid> Eeee, RetroCade!
[21:59] <tebruno99> zastaph i'm sure the OS thinks thats what happened. Thats the point
[21:59] <gordonDrogon> Hm. TV time. HIGNFY.... laters..
[21:59] <tebruno99> zastaph anyway, it doesn't really matter. Theres nothing that will "slow down the card"
[22:00] <tebruno99> the card has no concept of formatting etc
[22:00] <zleap> laters gordonDrogon
[22:00] <zastaph> yeah i think i will only get an SD in my Pi, no USB storage
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[22:01] <zastaph> if I need more storage, I can access my file server/NAS
[22:03] <tebruno99> i got a 64G 10x card
[22:03] <tebruno99> its pretty nice
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[22:04] <windsurf_> awesome. drink repeater works like a charm to add wireless. time well spent.
[22:04] <windsurf_> dlink*
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[22:04] <tebruno99> windsurf_ make sure you have batteries in your smoke detectors
[22:04] <zastaph> i thought about getting a 4x card.. simply for the sake of stability
[22:04] <FergyA> Hey all, anyone here have any experience with xbee modules?
[22:04] <tebruno99> zastaph stability?
[22:04] <windsurf_> tebruno99: ??
[22:05] <zastaph> tebruno, well on the SD compatibility page most 4 and 6 class cards are approved
[22:05] <tebruno99> windsurf_ i've never owned a dlink that the power adapter didn't melt after a year or so
[22:05] <tebruno99> zastaph ah, imo you worry to much
[22:05] <windsurf_> tebruno99: oh :S
[22:06] <tebruno99> it either works or doesn't
[22:06] <tebruno99> if it doesn't, return it
[22:06] <zastaph> tebruno, dont think i can return an SD card if not compatible with Pi
[22:06] <tebruno99> why not?
[22:07] <zastaph> because its not bought together
[22:07] <tebruno99> ah, rules must be different than here
[22:07] <tebruno99> here they don't even ask
[22:07] <tebruno99> return, ok. done
[22:08] <tebruno99> even so, "this sd card doesn't work in my device" I don't think the seller of an SD card has the right to say "well what was your device?"
[22:08] <tebruno99> if it doesn't work, it doesn't work
[22:08] <zastaph> is yours Sandisk?
[22:08] <tebruno99> yeah
[22:09] <zastaph> i presume class 4 will slow down network transfers on 10/100
[22:10] <tebruno99> if you are writing that network transfer to the SD card.. maybe
[22:10] <tebruno99> depends on how large the file, your current amount of ram, and method you use to transfer
[22:10] <zastaph> well i might consider a class 10 then
[22:11] <tebruno99> there is a painful difference between class 2 and class 10
[22:11] <tebruno99> that I can definitely speak for
[22:12] <Gadgetoid> I just searched my Windows 8 computer for "Terminal"??? *sigh*
[22:12] <tebruno99> takes apt-get update like.. 30 seconds to even start to output a line of text on class 2. with class 10 its instant
[22:12] <zastaph> tebruno, what you use your Pi for
[22:13] <tebruno99> mostly OpenGL ES dev, and some minor web dev
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[22:13] <tebruno99> Hosts my cocos2d-html stuff http://tom.cymor.com/cocos2d/
[22:14] <tebruno99> (thats just the stock install)
[22:14] <zastaph> doing iphone games?
[22:15] <tebruno99> thats for html5
[22:15] <zastaph> ok
[22:15] <tebruno99> i do iphone games as well (on iphone)
[22:15] <zastaph> iphone games on iphone?
[22:16] <tebruno99> cocos2d-x is the Win/Linux/OSX/Android/iOS version, cocos2d-html5 is html5/js, and cocos2d-iphone is Mac/iOS
[22:16] <tebruno99> trying to get cocos2d-x working on the pi atm
[22:18] <tebruno99> linux version wants to use opengl instead of opengl es
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[22:24] <zastaph> is it both vector and sprite based?
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[22:33] <MycahM> raspbian wheezy is giving me trouble. when i try to use synergy it reports the wrong desktop res (which messes everything up with synergy) and when i click on preferences -> monitor settings it reports 'unable to get monitor information' don't know if its an xrandr issue or what.
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[22:38] <MycahM> xrandr doesn't exist
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[22:47] <NetBat> evenin' all
[22:47] <IT_Sean> afternoon
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[22:48] <NetBat> IT_Sean: sup
[22:49] <IT_Sean> Not much... waiting for my weekend to start
[22:49] <IT_Sean> .. which it will in 11 minutes
[22:49] <IT_Sean> thank goodness it's friday! aye?
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[22:50] <NetBat> IT_Sean: mhm, just finished workout.
[22:50] <IT_Sean> im still at work.
[22:50] <Tenkawa> is there a way to compile handbrake with hardware h/x264 encoding support on pi?
[22:51] <Tenkawa> without it very slow
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[22:51] <NetBat> IT_Sean: Where are ou?
[22:51] <Tenkawa> decode seem to work pretty darn uick though
[22:51] <Tenkawa> er quick
[22:52] <buzzsaw> arcanescu: did you get up and going?
[22:52] <IT_Sean> NetBat: i told you... at work.
[22:52] <buzzsaw> shame on you IT_Sean irc at work ;-)
[22:53] <IT_Sean> oh, like you don't do it as well. :p
[22:53] <buzzsaw> :-)
[22:53] <buzzsaw> shh....
[22:53] <NetBat> IT_Sean: where in the wordl are you?
[22:53] <buzzsaw> some of the things I do on irc are work related ;-)
[22:53] <IT_Sean> NetBat: North America. East coast.
[22:54] <IT_Sean> buzzsaw: like griping about stupid users?
[22:54] <IT_Sean> I do that too.
[22:54] <IT_Sean> 's totally work related.
[22:54] <buzzsaw> *some* of the things I do on irc are work related ;-)
[22:54] <buzzsaw> sorry left out the bold
[22:55] <buzzsaw> arcanescu: sorry got caught up at work doing work stuff, not normaly busy like that. Let me know if you got it going
[22:55] <Tenkawa> anyone been patient enough to try asterisk on a pi?
[22:56] <IT_Sean> Tenkawa: i think there are a few people who have been playing with * on a pi
[22:56] <buzzsaw> IT_Sean: its more, I feel if you have to work at doing something and learn to read the documents you can be a better *nix user ;-)
[22:56] <buzzsaw> I guess I just learn different?
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[22:57] <Tenkawa> IT_Sean: i'm curious how many connections/phones it could handle heh
[22:57] <azeam> I was going to get over my fear of asterisk and try to set it up but I decided to try a mumble server instead (for conference calls)
[22:57] <IT_Sean> Tenkawa: no idea.
[22:57] <IT_Sean> and now, i am off, as my weekend officially starts in a bit over 2 minutes.
[22:57] <Tenkawa> wonder if it has enough power to run a small office
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[22:58] <azeam> Tenkawa: what exactly do you want to do with it?
[22:59] <Tenkawa> azeam: mostly just curious.. thought about setting up a box for a friends office and use voip with a possible ivr
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[23:00] <Tenkawa> i wish it wouldve been around when i was stuck running two pri's on a very pricy router
[23:00] <azeam> ok, well I've been recommended the "asterisk for raspberry" http://www.raspberry-asterisk.org/ with freepbx pre-installed
[23:01] <Tenkawa> mind you that "was" 12+ years ago
[23:01] <Tenkawa> azeam: thanks for the info
[23:01] <azeam> but I haven't tried it myself yet, I've always had some kind of strange fear (justified?) of asterisk, the whole VoIP/pbx/etc. thing confuses the *** out of me
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[23:02] <azeam> but supposedly the freepbx is a user-friendly way to set it up
[23:02] <Tenkawa> azeam: ahh... i spent years writing telecom software (for pbx,switches,etc)
[23:02] <chithead> digium and the #asterisk folks are reportedly not the nicest people to deal with
[23:02] <Tenkawa> he
[23:03] <Tenkawa> heh
[23:03] <gordonDrogon> I've spent 5 years selling asterisk based systems
[23:04] <gordonDrogon> I gave up on asterisk after version 1.4 because digium kept on changing the goalposts.
[23:04] <Tenkawa> heh
[23:04] <Tenkawa> ouch
[23:05] <gordonDrogon> I wanted something that would be stable for 5 years - my clients had something that had "just worked" for 15 years - companies don't like change when it comes to phones.
[23:05] <Tenkawa> indeed
[23:05] <gordonDrogon> The Pi is more than capable of running asterisk - for a small number of calls if it's handling media. The issue is the packet rate and the half duplex nature of the Ethernet/USB.
[23:06] <Tenkawa> ahh good point
[23:06] <gordonDrogon> if it's not handling media then it'll handle many calls, but most people don't configure i that way (or can't).
[23:06] <Tenkawa> half duplex though?
[23:06] <gordonDrogon> USB is hand duplex.
[23:06] <gordonDrogon> hanf*
[23:06] <gordonDrogon> doh - half!
[23:06] <Tenkawa> ahh the usb bus itself
[23:06] <gordonDrogon> yes, so it has a knock-on for the Ethernet.
[23:07] <Tenkawa> interrsting how the nic still thinks its full-duplex
[23:07] <chithead> usb has mechanisms to reserve bandwitdh
[23:07] <gordonDrogon> 50 packets per second each way per call...
[23:07] <clever> the buffers in the ethernet chip allow it to receive and transmit at the same time
[23:07] <chithead> bandwidth*
[23:07] <clever> but thosewill run out fast, then it has to wait for usb
[23:07] <Tenkawa> clever: good point
[23:08] <clever> in a way, pci is also half-duplex
[23:08] <gordonDrogon> I've not itred it myself - by the time I got a Pi I was in the process of running down my VoIP business.
[23:08] <FergyA> anyone here have any tips on improving link quality of an xbee hooked up to my pi?
[23:08] <clever> but pci ethernet cards can still get 100mbit just fine
[23:08] <FergyA> I cant get over 9600 baud without having loss like crazy when trying to push a file over it :/
[23:08] <gordonDrogon> I'm still doing VoIP and will be for a few more years, just not taking on new customers now.
[23:08] <chithead> http://elinux.org/RPi_Performance#NIC the pi can get around 90 mb/s
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[23:08] <Tenkawa> yeah i just wish i could figure out what changed in the 3.8 kernel's usb code that prevents me from booting a usb root fs.. (sd root fs works fine)
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[23:09] <chithead> Tenkawa: you did the usual rootdelay/rootwait dance?
[23:09] <Tenkawa> chithead: yep
[23:09] <clever> FergyA: the xbee always uses the same bitrate for the rf transmissions, it cant be changed
[23:09] <gordonDrogon> I benchmarked an Alix system with a 500MHz MD Geode processor to 80 concurrent calls handling media..
[23:10] <clever> FergyA: are you using hardware flow control at all?
[23:10] <FergyA> so then do you have any ideas why when I crank the baud up I get craziness out the other end?
[23:10] <FergyA> and no
[23:10] <Tenkawa> it never sees it... however if i boot that same kernel to the sd root copy it does see the usb drive after boot (with no modules needed)
[23:10] <Tenkawa> its odd indeed
[23:10] <FergyA> from what ive seen hardware flow control on the pi is anything but easy
[23:11] <clever> FergyA: the transmitting module will buffer data up and transmit it, with retry whenever it doesnt get an ack
[23:11] <gordonDrogon> there's none :)
[23:11] <clever> FergyA: if you get packet loss, it will try to resend the packet, but the buffers will be filling up
[23:11] <Tenkawa> almost like it just chooses to not scan the usb bus at all until after booting
[23:11] <clever> so a lack of hardware flow control causes bytes to get lost before the xbee can even buffer them
[23:11] <azeam> gordonDrogon: just a comment regarding "companies don't like change when it comes to phones". Here in Sweden we had a government owned telephone company (the only one) for a long time. In 1993 the (imo idiotic) privatize-everything-wave came and the phone market was set free. The government company (then Televerket, now Telia) is now, 20 years later, the most useless company in terms of service and one of the most expensive, still it is, afaik, the
[23:11] <azeam> biggest
[23:11] <gordonDrogon> I've used the ciseco URF stuff on the Pi though - that just looks like a USB serial device. it worked a treat.
[23:11] <FergyA> yeah, its strange regardless, it only gets loss on large transfers
[23:11] <FergyA> if i try and send a small file its fine
[23:11] <clever> FergyA: rev1 or rev2 board?
[23:11] <FergyA> rev 2
[23:12] <clever> FergyA: http://elinux.org/RPi_Serial_Connection#Handshaking_lines
[23:12] <clever> hardware handshake lines are on P1 and P5
[23:12] <clever> and the xbee will need to be setup to use them also
[23:12] <gordonDrogon> does the Pi kernel drive support them though?
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[23:12] <FergyA> yeah, ive seen that, problem is the shield im using kinda doesnt have hookups for those pins
[23:12] <gordonDrogon> not sure if it does...
[23:12] <FergyA> so id have to make a huge mess to use them
[23:13] <clever> FergyA: one ugly way to verify thins
[23:13] <clever> FergyA: hook the hardware flow control from the xbee, to an led, or scope
[23:13] <clever> and see if it changes state when you get packet loss
[23:13] <clever> just dont even connect it to the pi
[23:13] <Tenkawa> btw anyone tried the different kernel heap allocators and compared them at all?
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[23:13] <FergyA> hmm, ill try that next
[23:13] <FergyA> currently trying to shorten the cables between the xbee and pi to see if that helps at all
[23:14] <clever> gordonDrogon: i think its handled in hardware, and you just need to set the gpio to that alternate mode
[23:14] <clever> FergyA: another neat fact with the xbee's, the baud rates dont have to match
[23:14] <clever> FergyA: ive put a 9600 xbee on my gps module, and a 115200 xbee on my laptop
[23:14] <clever> works perfectly fine
[23:15] <clever> the only thing the baud rate controls, is the uart on that device, and nothing else
[23:16] <Tenkawa> so who is the target audience for xbee modules btw?
[23:16] <FergyA> hmmm, cool
[23:16] <FergyA> itd still be a bottleneck though
[23:16] <clever> for the other direction, yep
[23:16] <clever> but my gps module never has to receive anything
[23:17] <clever> and i planned to make the laptop end a hub, with many things transmiting to it
[23:17] * Tenkawa wonders if there's a tnc adapter out there for the pi
[23:17] <clever> Tenkawa: the modules are a bit expensive, but its got plenty of features
[23:18] <Tenkawa> cool
[23:19] <clever> its even got aes encryption built into the module
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[23:19] <Tenkawa> wow nice
[23:19] <FergyA> yeah, im using xbee pro 900s, needest to say theyre awesome, but ive had nothing but trouble with them
[23:19] <clever> the keys can be programed into the xbee's onboard flash once, so the key never goes over the open uart lines
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[23:20] <home> Hey guys
[23:20] <FergyA> ive killed 2 of them so far trying to get this all going...
[23:20] <clever> so the keys cant be extracted without RE'ing the xbee
[23:20] <home> anyone running a webserver on their RPI?
[23:20] <Tenkawa> FergyA: ouch
[23:20] <Tenkawa> home: sure
[23:20] <azeam> home: yes
[23:20] <clever> FergyA: ive only used the 2.6ghz chip antenna ones
[23:20] <home> can I see how it looks?
[23:20] <Tenkawa> both apache and lighttpd
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[23:20] <clever> FergyA: let me lookup the datasheet...
[23:20] <clever> FergyA: what baud rate do you start to notice heavy packet loss at?
[23:21] <azeam> home: the website is nothing special at all, but here it is http://raspberrypiserver.no-ip.org
[23:21] <Tenkawa> mine aren't visible to the outside world
[23:21] <FergyA> i start getting periodic loss at 19200
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[23:21] <FergyA> and anything over that becomes unusable
[23:22] <FergyA> 9600 there is no loss at all :/
[23:22] <clever> FergyA: 'RF
[23:22] <clever> FR^2: RF
[23:22] <FR^2> Hmm?
[23:22] <clever> hmmm, pdf reader is screwing with me
[23:22] * Tenkawa has flashbacks of xmodem with no good crc checking days
[23:22] <clever> FergyA: RF data throughput up to 20 Kbps
[23:22] <clever> FergyA: thats your problem
[23:22] <Tenkawa> or kermit
[23:22] <clever> FergyA: page 2 of the datasheet
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[23:23] <biker> hey all (:
[23:23] <biker> just one question,.,
[23:23] <biker> does the i2c port on the raspberry pi is 3.3V or 5V ?
[23:23] <clever> FergyA: the rf layer is always 20 Kbps, if you set the uart any faster, you fill the buffer faster then the hardware can xmit
[23:23] <FergyA> think you have a different data sheet
[23:23] <FergyA> http://www.digi.com/pdf/ds_xbeepro900.pdf
[23:23] <FergyA> is my module
[23:23] <FergyA> 156kbps RF rate
[23:23] <clever> ah, i was on http://dlnmh9ip6v2uc.cloudfront.net/datasheets/Wireless/Zigbee/ds_xbeeproxsc.pdf
[23:24] <Tenkawa> time to run
[23:24] <Tenkawa> cheers all
[23:24] <clever> yeah, that one is up to 156 kbps
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[23:24] <FergyA> and honestly when im running 115200 i get full speed off of it, but i just get garbage out the other end
[23:25] <FergyA> it especially makes no sense as when i do test packets with the xbee software theres no loss
[23:25] <FergyA> but as soon as i start using the link for something big it dies off
[23:25] <home> 0_0
[23:25] <clever> if your getting complete garbage, then its likely the clock for the baud rate is off, causing the bytes to get scrambled
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[23:25] <FergyA> its not complete garbage
[23:25] <clever> xbee has crc's built into the rf layer, so it cant get scrambled there
[23:26] <FergyA> but its enough that the garbage limit in zmodem gets tripped and the transfer is aborted
[23:26] <clever> id give software flowcontrol a try
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[23:26] <FergyA> yeah, let me try it right now with the ribbon cable gone
[23:26] <clever> and id check the accuracy of the timing with a scope
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[23:27] <FergyA> wish i had one heh
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[23:37] <home> well gg
[23:38] <home> I need to get this usb camera working on my RPI
[23:38] <home> it works perfectly fine on my other linux distrobution
[23:38] <home> only on the RPI, it's glitchy.
[23:38] <home> another USB camera works fine...
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[23:39] <knoppies> home, what camera?
[23:39] <clever> home: could it possibly be voltage dips?
[23:39] <home> its a mini dv spy camera
[23:39] <home> it gets detected in /dev/vido0
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[23:45] <knoppies> home, sounds like cheap crap. Is the camera connected straight to the Pi, or are you using a powered USB hub?
[23:47] <buzzsaw> yeah you might need to use a powered hub :-)
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[23:53] <FergyA> clever: Any chance you know how to turn software flow control on?
[23:54] <FergyA> I tried bypassing the ribbon cable i had on the xbee to make sure that wasnt a problem and it does the same thing
[23:54] <Gadgetoid> Haha, this Retro synth is amazing??? the entire thing is implemented in programmable logic and Arduino-compatible C, you can tweak it with the Arduino IDE
[23:54] <clever> FergyA: for the xbee, its one of the AT commands (check the datasheet, the real one)
[23:54] <FergyA> how about the pi?
[23:54] <clever> FergyA: for the linux end, its somewhere in stty, and also should be an option in any sane serial lib
[23:54] <FergyA> hmm, im using minicom, any idea if it would be in there somewhere?
[23:55] <clever> FergyA: ctrl+a o
[23:55] <clever> serial port setup i think
[23:55] <FergyA> sweet, got it
[23:55] <FergyA> and for software flow i dont have to hook up any additional pins right?
[23:56] <clever> yep
[23:56] <clever> it will still drop some packets, because of round-trip delays and buffer sizes
[23:56] <clever> but its not as much as no flow control
[23:56] <FergyA> yeah
[23:56] <FergyA> coincidentally minicom had hw flow control on, but ive been using -o
[23:56] <FergyA> so i think that gets bypassed
[23:56] <clever> but that shouldnt effect any corruption, as far as i can tell
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