#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2013-04-07

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[0:00] <bin_bash> nope
[0:01] <gordonDrogon> bread rising. fresh bread tomorrow - I like sundays!
[0:01] <bin_bash> :D
[0:01] <na85> well bin_bash without any errors in dmesg i don't think it's a hw issue
[0:01] <na85> maybe try a different player
[0:01] <bin_bash> well i think it could be a software issue
[0:01] <bin_bash> because alsamixer only shows pcm
[0:02] <bin_bash> gonna try a song in mocp
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[0:03] <bin_bash> okay music plays through headphones in mocp
[0:03] <bin_bash> but not through hdmi
[0:04] <Geniack> hello
[0:04] <bin_bash> hi
[0:04] <Geniack> off topic, but is someone of you into soldering things?
[0:04] <na85> Geniack: i'm sure most folks here are comfortable soldering
[0:05] <FergyA> well... according to my meter the tx line on my pi is only running at 32000 when its set to 115200...
[0:05] <Geniack> well i have a simple question... i am trying to connect a mini pcie connector to a usb 2 connector
[0:05] <FergyA> that cant be right...
[0:06] <Geniack> http://pinouts.ru/Slots/USB_pinout.shtml and there is a +5 VDC which i cant find here http://pinoutsguide.com/Slots/mini_pcie_pinout.shtml... in fact, i need to know which of these connectors belong to which...
[0:07] <gordonDrogon> Geniack, Yes, I do a lot of soldering ...
[0:07] <Geniack> good :)
[0:08] <Geniack> gordonDrogon: can you help me here?
[0:09] <gordonDrogon> not sure what soldering has to do with connectors.
[0:09] <gordonDrogon> FergyA, transmit 0xAA's constantly.
[0:10] <Geniack> i removed the cap of a usb stick and trying to solder it directly to the mini pci e pins on some mainboard
[0:10] <gordonDrogon> FergyA, even then it will read low on the meter..
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[0:10] <gordonDrogon> directly or using some hook-up wire?
[0:11] <Geniack> http://www.thel-audioworld.de/bauteile/kabel/Litze15.jpg i planned to use something like this, not sure about shielding though
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[0:12] <gordonDrogon> just solder the wires and see what happens.
[0:12] <Geniack> that was my plan
[0:13] <Geniack> but still i am not sure which belongs to which
[0:13] <Geniack> especially the VCC +5 V
[0:13] <Geniack> would it work if i put it to the 3.5 V ?
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[0:13] <na85> doubtful
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[0:14] <Geniack> ground is ground no matter what?
[0:14] <Geniack> because on the mini pcie connectors are several GND pinouts
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[0:15] <mgottschlag> Geniack: you can probably use any of them
[0:15] <mgottschlag> but you really need 5V
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[0:16] <Geniack> mini pci express is usb 2 compatible so i expect it to be somewhere just that i lack the knowledge to identify it
[0:17] <mgottschlag> the internet seems to say that there isn't any 5V pin, but you'd need to use a voltage converter
[0:17] <mgottschlag> which certainly sounds weird
[0:17] <na85> pull in 5VDC from somewhere else
[0:18] <Geniack> na85: not possible here
[0:18] <Geniack> mgottschlag: http://pinouts.ru/Slots/USB_pinout.shtml i just saw in the row that sayss "+5 VDC" it also says "VCC"
[0:18] <Geniack> and "VCC" is on the pci express pinout
[0:19] <mgottschlag> 1. you don't know what voltage that VCC is 2. it says it isn't actually there but rather reserved for something?
[0:19] <na85> "VCC" is just a term that means "supply voltage"
[0:20] <na85> "VCC" is not the same on every chip.
[0:20] <Geniack> but voltage in computer systems is pretty limited ?
[0:20] <Geniack> the range of volatages i mean
[0:20] <Geniack> or modes
[0:21] <mgottschlag> 5V, 3.3V, 2.5V, 1.8V, 1.2V are common voltages :)
[0:22] <Geniack> thats what i mean
[0:22] <Geniack> so it could be its 5 V
[0:22] <na85> sure it COULD be
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[0:22] <Geniack> because the other voltages are numbered
[0:22] <na85> but there's no reason it couldn't also be 3v3
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[0:22] <na85> why cant you just pull your 5V from the gpio pins
[0:22] <Geniack> heh
[0:22] <Geniack> not really about RPi
[0:23] <na85> oh well what are you working with then
[0:23] <mgottschlag> Geniack: it says it is for a SIM module, and those probably don't use 5V internally
[0:24] <Geniack> http://www.netbooknews.de/wp-content/uploads/inside-ac100.jpg
[0:24] <mgottschlag> also, have a look at http://read.pudn.com/downloads156/ebook/694416/pciexpress_mini.pdf (page 35) for power requirements for a device
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[0:24] <mgottschlag> that is enough for a 5V 500mA step up converter, even though it gets uncomfortable close
[0:25] <ShadowJK> My guess would be pcie vcc is 3.3V
[0:25] <mgottschlag> ShadowJK: this VCC isn't even about pcie
[0:26] <mgottschlag> Geniack: you could search for 5V rails on that board, it has one if it has USB
[0:26] <mgottschlag> look for power supply ICs
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[0:27] <Geniack> mgottschlag: http://www.altechnative.net/2012/02/07/morebetter-internal-storage-on-the-toshiba-ac100-part-2/ look at this... they using some usb / pcie express adapter stuff, i was thinkin i could avoid adapterstuff and just go straight usb on the board... is there something i been missing here?
[0:28] <Geniack> mostly because my version of this board lacks the mini pcie module, it just has empty pinout i want to use
[0:28] <mgottschlag> Geniack: that usb adapter wouldn't have those additional components if it wouldn't need them
[0:29] <mgottschlag> so really, either find another 5V source
[0:30] <dennistlg> :-( something happend and i think its not good.
[0:30] <dennistlg> my pi only shows me colored screen
[0:30] <dennistlg> and only red led is on
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[0:31] <mgottschlag> or use a dc/dc converter module (or build your own step-up power supply)
[0:31] <mgottschlag> dennistlg: coloured screen? what exactly?
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[0:32] <Geniack> well thank you
[0:32] <dennistlg> http://dics.voicecontrol.ro/tutorials/mc34063/
[0:33] <dennistlg> mgottschlag the screen before booting
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[0:34] <mgottschlag> what did you do when it happened?
[0:34] <mgottschlag> that screen means that the firmware can still initialize quite some of the hardware
[0:34] <dennistlg> have changed nothing only a reboot -t now
[0:36] <mgottschlag> just wondering, a kernel update or something like that could cause the kernel not to be found or something like that
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[0:37] <mgottschlag> I'd suggest writing a new sd card image
[0:37] <dennistlg> :-(
[0:37] <mgottschlag> that would rule out any software error
[0:39] <dennistlg> yeah but than i have to setup a few thing again :-(
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[0:39] <mgottschlag> no second SD card at hand? :=
[0:39] <mgottschlag> *:)
[0:40] <dennistlg> have 3 micro sd cards (8gb) but none of them booting the pi.
[0:41] <mgottschlag> you could also try looking at the boot partition first to see whether there are any obvious problems
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[0:41] <mgottschlag> but I'd really doubt that
[0:41] <mgottschlag> (like, any missing files)
[0:41] <mgottschlag> there is nothing which should cause such a thing
[0:41] <FergyA> clever: by the way, switching the cts between alt3 and alt5 didnt make a difference :/
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[0:45] <dennistlg> yeah its back again without a config.txt
[0:46] <dennistlg> thin i make a backup and setting up a new sys on the card
[0:47] <FergyA> i am so freaking confused...
[0:48] <FergyA> so magically the transfer is working at 115200 baud
[0:48] <FergyA> and the only thing that changed was i hooked my meter up to the cts line to see if it was actually getting used...
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[1:00] <Litecoin> oh lawd jesus its a fire
[1:01] <FergyA> son of a b its freaking working...
[1:02] <fr0g911> morning
[1:03] <FergyA> gordonDrogon, clever: thank you so much for your help... to think all that and CTS fixed it...
[1:03] <FergyA> not sure why it didnt work the first tiem
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[1:04] <borderer> hi, things are quite this everning
[1:05] <fr0g911> really
[1:05] <fr0g911> i wanted to get this party started
[1:05] <borderer> when I was on earlier it was buzzing
[1:06] <fr0g911> well i missed it all ;(
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[1:07] <borderer> I signed in to try my new system - it is a raspberrypi with an old glass teletype
[1:08] <borderer> its a bit slow but works fine for about ??60
[1:08] <fr0g911> whats the text color
[1:08] <borderer> green
[1:08] <fr0g911> sweet
[1:08] <fr0g911> lol
[1:09] <fr0g911> 1970???s
[1:09] <borderer> it is a vt100
[1:09] <borderer> I got it about 1986
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[1:11] <IT_Sean> nice
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[1:12] <NetBat> Greetings pi pickers.
[1:12] <Tachyon`> a VT100 is a fairly smart terminal, hardly a glass tty, they were just that, TTY, lol
[1:12] * Tachyon` used to have a load of VT220s but forgot them in a move -.-
[1:12] <IT_Sean> :(
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[1:13] <borderer> it was a step up from the asr33
[1:13] <Tachyon`> that was an actual teletype wasn't it, loud and with paper
[1:13] <Tachyon`> I'm not quite old enough to have used one of those...
[1:14] <borderer> thats correct, it had a paper punch and reader
[1:15] <borderer> It was used on my first system - a Buroughs 9000
[1:15] <Tachyon`> I was reading teh altair manual and apparently reading from punched tape took around 4 minutes per KiB
[1:15] <Tachyon`> luckily mine is a briel replica I built so loads from SD -.o
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[1:16] <borderer> yes thats about correct - we could use a cassette tape which was about 1200 baud
[1:16] <Tachyon`> http://www.pokenet.co.uk/misc/files.altair/mandelf.jpg <- still looks and works like an altair though, can program withotu SD using purely the switches if you want
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[1:17] <ParkerR> Tachyon`, Nice
[1:18] <borderer> my first home computer was a nationl semi SCAMP with machine code
[1:18] <Tachyon`> that mandelbrot generated with microsoft basic
[1:18] <Tachyon`> it took about 45 minutes
[1:18] <Tachyon`> http://www.pokenet.co.uk/misc/files.altair/mandelf.bas
[1:18] <Tachyon`> there's the code, lol
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[1:19] <Tachyon`> the original microsoft product, altair basic
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[1:19] <borderer> I used basic first on the Apple ii
[1:20] <Tachyon`> there were two on teh apple ][
[1:20] <Xark> Right on. My first computer used the first version of MS BASIC in ROM (6 1/2 digit for 6502 in 8K). :)
[1:20] <Tachyon`> integer and floating point
[1:20] <Tachyon`> Xark: what computer was that?
[1:21] <fr0g911> wonder if you can get irc in xbmc
[1:21] <Xark> Tachyon`: Ohio Scientific (my model was Challenger 1P or in UK, similar to Compukit-101).
[1:21] <Tachyon`> ahhh
[1:21] <Tachyon`> I nearly got oen of those on ebay recently
[1:21] <Tachyon`> but was outbid
[1:22] <Tachyon`> it had a fault which was obviously minor, unfortunately it was obvious to someone else too -.-
[1:22] <Xark> Tachyon`: Very similar to a B&W VIC 20 (but in 1978 or so). I soldered joysticks to it and expanded it to 6K ($40 per K with 2 2114 static RAM chips for ~$20 at Radio Shack). :)
[1:22] <borderer> the apple only has interger basic in rom it used a separate card for FP
[1:22] <Tachyon`> ah, I've done 6502 before, mostly on the BBC (which really made it easy)
[1:23] <Xark> I wish I still had mine. Smoked it trying to add 60hz interrupt and foolishly gave it to a friend to "fix" (and never saw it again).
[1:23] <Tachyon`> oh dear, the magic smoke -.-
[1:23] <Tachyon`> my first computer with a ZX81
[1:23] <Tachyon`> was
[1:23] <Tachyon`> 1KB of RAM, of which you saw substantially less due to display and system variables
[1:24] <Tachyon`> although the way it stored the display saved every byte possible, if the display was empty it was stored in ram simply as 24 newline characterws
[1:24] <Xark> borderer: I remember those "Language cards" well. :) Lots of fun to make "custom" ROM images (triggered on reset).
[1:24] <Tachyon`> so you'd find a lot of 1K games used only the top third of the display
[1:24] <fr0g911> i remember my first pc i ran the dialup bbs used everything renegade wildcat pcboard lol
[1:25] * [Saint] dug out the massive tome that is that Amstrad 6128 manual after last nights discussion and went on a massive memory trip...
[1:25] <borderer> I still have an Apple II - a Lisa and a 500k Mac
[1:25] <[Saint]> 'twas grand.
[1:25] <fr0g911> remember hooking up speaker wires to the telephone poll to get that extra k our of the 14.4 modem
[1:25] <Xark> Tachyon`: I remember those (but I was already spoiled by Apple, Atari and Commodore machines). Amazing minimal design though...
[1:27] <borderer> Waw my first modem was a 300 baud acustic coupler then a 1200 baud then a 1200/75 for home banking with BOS
[1:27] <Tachyon`> aye, I still have one here, lol
[1:27] <Tachyon`> bank of scotland?
[1:27] <Xark> Tachyon`: I very nearly got a 1802 Cosmac ELF for my first computer (with a 6 digit 7 segment display and hex keypad). I begged my parents to get the OSI (which was $100 more). Thank goodness they sprung for it (as writing "video games" on 7-segment displays are limiting). :)
[1:28] <Tachyon`> I was lucky to get any computer, have a picture of me aged 7 or 8 on my first ZX81, lol
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[1:29] <Xark> borderer: I have one of those Atari rebranded Cat novation 300 baud acoustic modems (as made famous in the movie War Games - sprinting away from satellites). Still works, but not too many 300 baud BBSes to call anymore (but I'll be ready if the Internet goes away). :)
[1:30] <borderer> Old timers knew how to program when you had to get everything into 1k of ram
[1:30] * Xark only trick is cramming a cellphone in the old-school foam cups...
[1:30] <Tachyon`> http://www.pokenet.co.uk/misc/images.random/hid7.jpg
[1:30] <Tachyon`> ah, there ti is, lol
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[1:30] <Tachyon`> did some Z80 at the time, 6502 later at shcool on teh BBCs and at home when I seperated someone from an acorn elecron
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[1:30] <Xark> Tachyon`: Awesome. :)
[1:31] <Xark> Tachyon`: Is that a cassette recorder on your left? :)
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[1:31] <Tachyon`> the box with the gold stripe?
[1:31] <Xark> Yeah...a bit early for Walkmans...
[1:31] <Tachyon`> it was a tape loading/saving interface for the zx81 which normalised the levels as it was very fussy
[1:32] <Xark> Tachyon`: Ahh, I remember those for TRS-80s.
[1:32] <Tachyon`> had LEDs on it, adjust until one bt not both lit etc.
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[1:32] <borderer> I started with Tube computers - The Elliot
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[1:32] <Tachyon`> tube computers?
[1:32] * Xark doesn't miss cassette tape storage at all - I think I preferred paper-tape. :)
[1:32] <Tachyon`> you don't mean vacuum tubes do you?
[1:32] <[Saint]> I have recently discovered there's some great fun to be had in asking people around the age of 20 when they think the internet was first widely available to the public. Conversations like this only serve to make some of the answers even more amusing.
[1:33] <Xark> [Saint]: Hehe, god bless Al Gore. :)
[1:33] <borderer> in the USA it was tubes - in UK it was valves
[1:34] <borderer> The first Hard disk I used was 5mb
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[1:37] <[Saint]> Xark: you're talking about this http://goo.gl/RSGnh I assume?
[1:37] <[Saint]> ...not that claiming to invent the internet isn't bad, but, the worst answer I've had regarding the creation date was ~1920 ;)
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[1:38] <Tachyon`> grr
[1:38] <Xark> [Saint]: Yeah. I remember seeing that interview live at the time. :) However, Al was a good thing for the Internet (even if he misspoke there). I sure wish he was president vs what we ended up getting...
[1:39] <Tachyon`> yeah, there might be upwards of 2 million brown people still alive
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[1:40] <borderer> Tachyon The VT100 was starting to smoke so I have switched to a laptop as the terminal
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[1:44] <borderer> There is a good lecture on TED about inventing the WWW
[1:44] <Tachyon`> hrm, smoking, I'd check the PSU caps
[1:45] <borderer> Yes I think they may have dried out. Look like Sprague
[1:47] <NetBat> Does anybody here still uses a 56k modem?
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[1:48] <borderer> Still got one somewhere but dont use it - I think it was a Hayes
[1:48] <NetBat> (or any kind of serial modem plugged into the phone line.)
[1:48] <NetBat> They are quite pricey actually.
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[1:49] <NetBat> Hayes was one of the better makes.
[1:49] <IT_Sean> NetBat: i used to use analog dial modems a lot at $oldjob
[1:50] <Viper7> i remember walking into frys electronics in the us for the first time, seeing a 38400 baud modem for $5, when i'd just bought a 9600 baud in australia for $39.95
[1:50] <[Saint]> NetBat: I have one purely for "Oh noes! My cable is down!" situations.
[1:50] <Xark> NetBat: I believe I have a USR Modem in a closet somewhere. I had it for backup admin dial-in for many years (but quit that in early 2000's).
[1:51] <borderer> Thats correct - I did not think they would be available
[1:51] <IT_Sean> I had 9 or 10 in my office, at any given time. Used them quite a bit.
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[1:51] <[Saint]> doooooooop, beep boop boop beep, deeeeeedleeeeeedleeeeedle - screeeeeeeeeeeeee!
[1:52] * [Saint] is somewhat glad that isn't a thing he hears daily anymore.
[1:52] <IT_Sean> I worked for a company that manufactured a line of propritary network equipment. The device had an analog modem innit. I could dial into one to perform remote diagnostics, reset the device, perform firmware upgrades, or disable the device entirely.
[1:52] <borderer> very true
[1:52] <IT_Sean> I head the screechy modem noise dozens of times each day.
[1:53] <[Saint]> poor soul.
[1:53] <IT_Sean> heh
[1:53] <atouk> http://hackaday.com/2013/01/31/how-a-dial-up-modem-handshake-works/
[1:53] <[Saint]> I want to stab people in the eyes if someone sends a fax through the wrong line.
[1:53] <IT_Sean> THat's what ATm0 is for
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[1:53] <borderer> One never picks up the phone to hear a FAX modem
[1:54] * IT_Sean plugs a modem in and dials borderer's phone
[1:54] <[Saint]> a competing business has been handing out our office line as their fax number on flyers, for the lulz.
[1:54] <[Saint]> not terribly amusing.
[1:54] * ka6sox-away is now known as ka6sox
[1:54] <NetBat> Actually, that sound was qutie exciting at the time. It was the signal that you were about to enter the cyber space, almsot like a different world in those days.
[1:54] <IT_Sean> niiiiiiiiiiiice
[1:55] <IT_Sean> squeee ooooompppp shshshshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh whaaaaaaaa ahhhhhhhhhhh mmmmmmm shshhshhshhhhh
[1:55] <borderer> Hey! thats pretty good
[1:55] <NetBat> IT_Sean: are you having an attack?
[1:55] <[Saint]> a fax attack.
[1:56] <borderer> Hey! guess it it is time for bed...
[1:56] <Tachyon`> sort of a low-tech ddos
[1:56] <NetBat> yes, at times I have been tempted to launch a totally gratuitous attackon the nearest fax machine.
[1:57] <[Saint]> Its no fun if the receiving end is a place that *has* to answer the phone, like bookings, or customer service, etc.
[1:58] <borderer> Hey! all this started because I said I was using a raspberry pi to get into irc
[1:58] <chithead> those places often can block or redirect based on caller id
[1:59] <borderer> Good night all!
[1:59] <NetBat> Does anyone still use fax? I thought emails and scanned images had replaced fax.
[1:59] <NetBat> bordrer: night buddy.
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[1:59] * IT_Sean digs out his script that redials a given number once every three minutes for all eternity
[1:59] * IT_Sean goes looking for a modem
[2:00] <[Saint]> It amused me that we even still had a fax. For ages, the instructions on how to use it read: Never dial 1 to get out, ever; Pick up the handset; Shoot yourself in the face.
[2:00] <Viper7> ive seen plenty of websites that have a "just enter your phone number here and one of our sales assistants will give you a call"
[2:00] <atouk> i use it at work for parts order, though most companies have gone to web order systems
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[2:00] <fr0g911> heres one for yall 3d printer making real food http://alturl.com/tkydr
[2:00] <Viper7> find twenty and drop someone elses number in, always fun :P
[2:01] * Firehopper yawns and wastes time till I can order ink for the new printer
[2:01] <NetBat> I had an efax account for a few months. It sas a far better alternative to fax specially that the latter is totally inaccessible to someone blind.
[2:01] <IT_Sean> Viper7: i've done that
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[2:01] <IT_Sean> The results are usually greatly amusing
[2:02] <Tachyon`> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/321064500947 <- someone has clearly had a few
[2:02] <Tachyon`> that was the game that killed the video game industry
[2:02] <Tachyon`> well, for a few years
[2:03] <NetBat> Speaking of old technology, I wonder if anyone still owns a working daisy wheel printer.
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[2:04] <Tachyon`> exam certificates used to be printed with them,no idea if they still are
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[2:29] <dennistlg> i2c setup complete
[2:29] <dennistlg> now i need a way to sniff a bit of data
[2:30] <dennistlg> and i have to learn and read the datasheet of the display controler
[2:30] <Grievre> what data do you need to sniff
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[2:33] <dennistlg> i only want to see if there is traffic
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[2:34] <Grievre> scope?
[2:34] <dennistlg> its a display controller for a 4,5inch lcd
[2:34] <dennistlg> and a touch controller
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[2:34] <dennistlg> i havent a scope
[2:34] * IT_Sean wonders what i2c data smells like
[2:34] <dennistlg> ;-)
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[2:34] <dennistlg> so i have to do it with pi
[2:34] <dennistlg> the pi is my multipurpose tool
[2:34] <dennistlg> :-D
[2:34] <Grievre> you've kind of picked a silly one for that
[2:35] <Grievre> there are better boards to use for that kind of purpose
[2:35] <dennistlg> i use it to flash my router to learn how to program good code for less memory and ... ;-)
[2:35] <Grievre> or well actually the raspberry pi /hardware/ isn't too bad for that, but doing it with linux is kind of silly
[2:36] <dennistlg> yeah i know there are other ways. but the pi lying around and i dont like to buy a other thing. for that :-D
[2:36] <Grievre> it's like building an entire table using the handle of a screwdriver as a hammer
[2:36] <Grievre> or using a utility knife as a screwdriver
[2:37] <dennistlg> hehe
[2:38] <dennistlg> Grievre its only to see the chip is working. or better the two chips
[2:38] <Tachyon`> I wonder ifa passable scope could be managed with the gpio, a to d converters etc.
[2:38] <Grievre> Tachyon`: You'd be better off using a USB sound card
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[2:38] <Tachyon`> something low cost that worked at some level might be handy
[2:38] <Tachyon`> well, I already have a scope
[2:38] <Tachyon`> but most kids do not
[2:38] <Grievre> What I'm saying is that a USB sound card would be cheaper AND better than anything you try to do via GPIO
[2:38] <Grievre> the GPIO pins just aren't fast enough and aren't real-time
[2:39] <Tachyon`> bah, nothing is real time with that kernel
[2:39] <dennistlg> its a car radio which had a burned ccfl power circuit in the control pannel
[2:39] <Grievre> I want to script my IRC client to automatically respond to any conversation about PHP with this link: http://me.veekun.com/blog/2012/04/09/php-a-fractal-of-bad-design/
[2:39] <Tachyon`> external inveter? nick one from an old laptop
[2:39] <Tachyon`> I wonder if RISC OS is up to real time stuff
[2:40] <Grievre> freertos
[2:40] <Tachyon`> it might well be
[2:40] <Grievre> (disclaimer: have not actually attempted to use freertos)
[2:40] <Tachyon`> it's based on BBC Basic after all
[2:40] <Tachyon`> well, the BBC generally
[2:40] <Tachyon`> Arthur (the original archimedes OS before RISC OS 2) was largely /written/ in basic
[2:40] <Tachyon`> the gui at least
[2:40] <dennistlg> the only output i see on the lcd is this: http://snakefreak.pytalhost.de/GEDC1130.JPG
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[2:41] <dennistlg> the only output i see on the lcd is this: http://snakefreak.pytalhost.de/GEDC1128.JPG
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[2:41] <dennistlg> the big goal is to become a output on the screen
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[2:45] <dennistlg> and to see whats going on and for the control i need i2c
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[2:55] <FergyA> So, I have a ribbon cable connected to my raspberry pi that carries the UART lines to an xbee, problem is I need to get the CTS line from header 5 to the xbee as well, but I want to avoid running another wire, anyone have any suggestions?
[2:55] <FergyA> ive got an idea, but im not sure how i feel about it
[2:57] <FergyA> im contemplating cutting the trace on one of the unimportant GPIOs and bridging the CLS line to that pin...
[2:58] <FergyA> CTS*
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[3:00] <philluminati> Any BT Internet users using their Pi s as a webserver?
[3:01] <philluminati> I have 6Mbps download, 0.98mbps upload I was hoping to host static HTML,CSS with nginix
[3:01] <philluminati> how realistic is this please?
[3:01] <philluminati> I'm hoping I can sustain upto 1k hits in an hour..
[3:02] <philluminati> I know a lot of factors are at play here. Housemates watch youtube, page sizes etc
[3:06] <Tachyon`> the pi should handle it easily
[3:07] <Tachyon`> well, I typically use apache, not sure about nginix? but it's certainly doable
[3:07] <NetBat> philluminati: just out of interest, how is your connection via BT in general? (They don't have much of a reputation.)
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[3:10] <Armand> philluminati, I'll warn you.. if the usage on that is quite heavy, BT may block it. :/
[3:11] * Tachyon` suggests Be Internet for BT users
[3:11] * Armand suggests VirginMedia. :P
[3:11] <Tachyon`> https://www.bethere.co.uk/web/beportal/homepage
[3:12] <Tachyon`> aye, but be won't require cable fitting etc.
[3:12] * Tachyon` is on virgin, sort of
[3:12] <Armand> Meh.. small price to pay. ^_^
[3:12] <Armand> I'd rather have a better service..
[3:12] <Tachyon`> Be provide a damn good service, they also don't limit things, at all, what you pay for is what you get
[3:12] <NetBat> go Armand, go on my son :)
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[3:12] <Tachyon`> unlike virgin who slow the connection to a crawl if you download anything much
[3:13] <Armand> Can't say I've had a single issue with them.
[3:13] <Armand> We've had this line for about 5 years, not even a hint of downtime.. besides the occasional power cut.
[3:13] <NetBat> Nor me. virgin is solid. they never slow anything down. Not sure what tachyon is refering to here.
[3:15] <IT_Sean> clear
[3:15] <NetBat> Actually, joing aside, Virgin can be tricky at times. They do have a responsive tech support service though.
[3:15] <IT_Sean> whoops
[3:15] <Armand> Tango Down!
[3:16] <NetBat> del IT_Sean :)
[3:17] <IT_Sean> del IT_Sean?
[3:17] <IT_Sean> o_O
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[3:17] <Armand> rm -rf *IT_Sean
[3:17] <IT_Sean> ahem.
[3:17] <IT_Sean> ...
[3:17] * Armand smirks
[3:18] <Armand> Oh hush.. :P
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[3:18] <Tachyon`> they do slow the connection down, they document when and how they do it themselves
[3:18] <NetBat> IT_Sean: mercy killing, mate.
[3:18] <NetBat> DOS style
[3:18] <philluminati> NetBat: It's pretty good. I think we're on the most expensive plan and to be honest we rarely torrent so I can't see them doing any packet filtering
[3:18] <Armand> Tachyon`, simply stating that I've never experienced such an issue.
[3:18] <philluminati> or whatever it is
[3:18] <Tachyon`> http://help.virginmedia.com/system/selfservice.controller?CMD=VIEW_ARTICLE&ARTICLE_ID=3103&CURRENT_CMD=SEARCH&CONFIGURATION=1001&PARTITION_ID=1&USERTYPE=1&LANGUAGE=en&COUNTY=us&VM_CUSTOMER_TYPE=Cable
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[3:19] <Tachyon`> apologies for the URL length...
[3:19] * IT_Sean 'll show you a mercy killing. ._.
[3:19] <IT_Sean> shorturl
[3:19] <dennistlg> hm with i2cdump i only become xx when dumping the two devices
[3:19] <philluminati> Armand: It's just when I get "Redditted", and it's only happened once. Typically I get about 30 views to my blog on a normal day
[3:20] <Armand> I see
[3:20] <NetBat> but how much data are we talking about? they do put a cap n downloads during the day. anything above 7GB. Well, blow me down, 7 GB? I would put a cap and a bloody cearskin hat on it too
[3:20] <Tachyon`> haha
[3:20] <Armand> I moved my project blog onto a cloud hosting service, so I don't need to worry about that anymore.
[3:20] <philluminati> NetBat: I'm pretty sure it's typically uncapped in England. They ring you up and suggest you move to a higher price plan
[3:20] <NetBat> philluminati: thanks man. I was just curious 'cause son I may have o option but to sbscribe to BT Internet (when I move).
[3:21] <philluminati> but if you're on the highest price plan, they just let it go
[3:22] <NetBat> I download a lot of old radio shows
[3:22] <NetBat> main BBC material
[3:22] <Armand> I'm getting my own (VirginMedia) connection when I move.. I'll be around 2-3 miles from the exchange :)
[3:22] <NetBat> mainly
[3:23] <Armand> Our new DC is less than 100 yards from it. :D
[3:23] <NetBat> virgin Media coverage in London is pretty sparse
[3:23] <philluminati> I live in London. I can't imagine one is far either. I can download a few GB off BitTorrent in 3 hours.
[3:23] <Armand> It's pretty good around here (West London)
[3:24] <philluminati> I'm West London (chiswick specifically)
[3:24] <NetBat> Not so great in North London
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[3:26] <Armand> philluminati, West Drayton here. :)
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[3:28] <NetBat> Phlluminati: what's BT tech support like?
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[4:00] <PKKid> Can someone help me do some math here for a power supply? -- I am building a 16x64 LED matrix, and the spec sheet shows a power dissipation of 60mw per LED. So I am thinking I need a 60mw * 1024 = 61 watt power supply?
[4:00] <philluminati> NetBat: dunno never rang em
[4:00] <philluminati> never had a problem
[4:02] <dennistlg> hmmm http://snakefreak.pytalhost.de/i2c.png
[4:02] <pksato> PKKid: yes. 61.440mW
[4:02] <FergyA> anyone know what the SD\ARM ALT functions on GPIO are for?
[4:03] <PKKid> pksato, Thanks. Also, is there a good place to find something like this? The best I am coming up with is buying a PC power supply and repurposing it, which seems a bit awkward.
[4:03] <dennistlg> PKKid how do you plan to control the matrix?
[4:03] <pksato> PKKid: ebay, chine store, etc...
[4:03] <PKKid> dennistlg, I am not sure yet, but I was looking at these HT1632C chips: http://www.adafruit.com/datasheets/ht1632cv120.pdf
[4:04] <pksato> need a 5V 15A PSU
[4:04] <PKKid> dennistlg, Only problem with that is I would need to buy a convertor to get it on a breadboard for prototyping. I was looking at these: http://www.adafruit.com/products/1162
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[4:06] <[Saint]> PKKid: perhaps something like the PixelPusher is better suited?
[4:06] <[Saint]> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1319139499/pixelpusher
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[4:06] <[Saint]> unless this is strictly an educational venture of course...
[4:07] <x29a> pksato: i wouldnt go with 5V there...
[4:08] <PKKid> [Saint], Is that even for sale yet?
[4:08] <x29a> well ok, depends on the circuit
[4:08] <dennistlg> i am workin on a led cube 10x10x10 single color. but i go a other way (shift registers)
[4:08] <PKKid> [Saint], It's a "Get me doing some basic electronics" again project.
[4:08] <[Saint]> Aha.
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[4:09] <PKKid> dennistlg, I was looking at that method two, but it seems like ALOT of circuitry.
[4:09] <PKKid> too*
[4:09] <Queeniebee> Hi guys, I'm about to purchase my first Raspberry Pi and have a question about what kind of SD card I should get.
[4:10] <dennistlg> a little bit ;-) but its good for the soldering skills and circuit development skills :-D
[4:10] <[Saint]> Queeniebee: any - preferably Class 10 - 32MB+
[4:11] <dennistlg> queeniebee the most cards will work think a 2gb card is best for most new people. because the image size most is 2gb
[4:11] <PKKid> Do you have a drawing of the circuit? I was trying to wrap my head around how that would look for so many LEDs.
[4:11] <[Saint]> Queeniebee: assuming you'll be using a pre-made image, you'll want at least 2GB.
[4:12] <x29a> Queeniebee: http://elinux.org/RPi_SD_cards
[4:12] <[Saint]> 32MB is the bare minimum for /boot if / will be mounted on an external drive.
[4:12] <dennistlg> pkkid not now have it at work
[4:12] <na85> Queeniebee: almost any SD card will work. I used the SD card from my 10-year-old camera
[4:12] <x29a> dennistlg: enlarging the img to use the full SD (>2GB) is like two clicks in raspie-config
[4:12] <[Saint]> ideally, you'll want something with a half-way decent read/write speed, though.
[4:12] <Queeniebee> Really? Good, I thought so, but got scared once I read this: http://itsacleanmachine.blogspot.com/2012/08/trying-out-raspberry-pi.html
[4:13] <dennistlg> yeah i know. but a 1gb card?
[4:13] <[Saint]> so - not the old sdcard from your forgotten camera, preferably ;)
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[4:13] <PKKid> dennistlg, Also, would there be a problem with speed using so many shift registers?
[4:13] <na85> i think the min recommended speed is 4 MB/s
[4:13] <dennistlg> the most of the people coming new to the pi have trouble
[4:13] <x29a> dennistlg: dd a 2gb image on a 1gb card, wont work
[4:13] <dennistlg> so i think 2gb+
[4:13] <dennistlg> yeah i know that doesnt work
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[4:14] <PKKid> Im new to the RaspPi, got mine at PyCon
[4:14] <Queeniebee> I want to use the RPi as a LAN, able to have hold some photos, I thought that a 32gb Class 10 would be best
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[4:14] <Queeniebee> but Class 10 might not be the best
[4:14] <[Saint]> for the cost - you may as well.
[4:15] <[Saint]> you're only hurting yourself to save a few bucks going slower.
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[4:15] <[Saint]> fast card == fast OS.
[4:15] <[Saint]> slow card == ...well, simple.
[4:17] <[Saint]> It might also pay to get a smaller sdcard, and use USB removable storage.
[4:17] <[Saint]> 32GB is somewhat excessive.
[4:18] <x29a> but heavy usb AND lan usage at the same time? :/
[4:18] <x29a> http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting#Crashes_occur_with_high_network_load
[4:18] <[Saint]> ...who's said the usage is heavy?
[4:18] <Queeniebee> what does 'heavy usb' mean
[4:20] <x29a> [Saint]: using it as a NAS means: load $amount of data from usbdrive over lan
[4:20] <[Saint]> "to serve some photos" doesn't seem like its going to be under a lot of load.
[4:20] <[Saint]> sorry, it doesn't even mention serving them.
[4:20] <[Saint]> only "holding" them.
[4:21] <[Saint]> I suspect this will be quite fine.
[4:22] <PKKid> [Saint], That PixelPusher thing looks awesome, but is also $220 minimum, thats a bit pricey compare to a $30 Pi and some time. :)
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[4:26] <Queeniebee> So I can go with class 10 at least >=4GB and my RPi wireless server will be fast enough
[4:26] <na85> yes
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[4:30] <bin_bash> I can't for the life of me get sound working over hdmi
[4:30] <bin_bash> I'm running archlinux-arm (from the raspi site) and it just isn't working
[4:31] <bin_bash> I tried changing the config file so that it would force hdmi sound, but it still isn't working.
[4:31] <bin_bash> alsamixer only shows PCM, and no other levels
[4:31] <bin_bash> I know the module is loaded, because when I put headphones in, I can hear the music playing
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[4:43] <velvetK> hi, anybody want to help a noob change permission on a mounted usb drive? thanks
[4:45] <bin_bash> can you give a more specific question
[4:45] <velvetK> sure
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[4:46] <velvetK> i have an external usb drive mounted in fstab as /dev/sda1 /media/owncloud ext4 defaults 0 0
[4:47] <velvetK> when i got stat /media/owncloud my access is 0755 - i need it to be 0770, i do sudo chown 0770 /media/ownlcoud
[4:47] <velvetK> and nothing changes
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[4:52] <NetBat> btw, people, is the onboard sound on the Pi full duplex?
[4:52] <Tachyon`> I'd bloody hope so, lol
[4:52] <pksato> RPi dont have onboard sound.
[4:52] <Tachyon`> mind you, the on board is purely an output
[4:52] <Tachyon`> yes it does
[4:53] <Tachyon`> if you want an input you'll need a USB audio dongle
[4:53] <velvetK> never mind
[4:53] <NetBat> Oh ok. USB mics should be a good solution though.
[4:53] <velvetK> bin_bash fixed it =]
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[4:53] <pksato> have a two PWM channel to emulater analog audio output.
[4:54] <pksato> and a PCM digital audio out via HDMI port.
[4:54] * NetBat still using a board with a z80 processor.
[4:54] <Tachyon`> there are modern Z80s you know
[4:54] <Tachyon`> with huge address spaces and speeds in the hundreds of MHz
[4:54] <NetBat> This one's 25 yars old.
[4:54] <Tachyon`> aye, as are all mine but still -.o
[4:55] <Tachyon`> actually most of mine are the Z80A to be exact
[4:55] <bin_bash> I wasn't paying attention anyway, velvetK
[4:55] <NetBat> 8mhz
[4:55] <Tachyon`> is that a Z80B?
[4:55] <Tachyon`> I know they went up to 7 or so officially
[4:57] <velvetK> bin_bash thanks for being a jerk =]
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[5:01] <NetBat> Tachyon: I'm not sure.
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[5:12] <NetBat> Tachyon: what sort of use do you have for your z80 b board?
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[5:59] <PKKid> would plugging this thing into my RasPi burn it up? :)
[5:59] <PKKid> http://www.ledliquidatorsinc.com/60_watt_LED_power_supply.php
[6:01] <Twist-> PKKid: Is this something you're likely to attempt? The Pi uses USB power. That is not a USB power supply.
[6:01] <pksato> yes. Raspberry Pi need 5V PSU with power above 6W, not 12.
[6:02] <PKKid> maybe I need a giant mosfet in front of the power to the RasPi?
[6:02] <PKKid> I need to power 1024 LEDs, it would be nice to use the same power source to power the RasPi.
[6:02] <pksato> use dc-dc converter to get 5V from 12V
[6:03] <Twist-> PKKid: There'a a pretty common PSU type that already does 5V and 12V out. :D
[6:04] <pksato> use a old AT PSU.
[6:04] <PKKid> Twist-, Is it $100 like most other power supplies out there? :)
[6:04] <Twist-> No.
[6:04] <Twist-> I'm speaking of ATX computer power supplies.
[6:04] <pksato> or cheap 400W (250W) ATX PSU.
[6:04] <PKKid> I've been looking for a while, I suppose my Google fu is not up to snuff.
[6:05] <PKKid> problem is I need 60W minimum. :(
[6:06] <PKKid> Maybe I should go the hobo route and just use an old PC power supply.
[6:07] <Twist-> Nothing hobo about that.. they're generally much higher quality than cable warts.
[6:07] <Twist-> I've gotta do that next week myself.. I've got about 10M of LED strips coming in
[6:07] <PKKid> I just hate the idea of having 50 extra power cables sitting ount im never going to use.
[6:08] <Twist-> well, build an enclosuer.
[6:08] <Twist-> also, enclosure
[6:08] <PKKid> Twist-, Nice. Im looking at a 16x64 LED display
[6:08] <pksato> cut extra cables.
[6:08] <Twist-> Are you aware of modular supplies?
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[6:09] <PKKid> Not really, its been 12 years since I did all this stuff in school
[6:09] <Twist-> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371016
[6:09] <PKKid> Ohh I see what you mean
[6:09] <PKKid> yea
[6:09] <PKKid> that would work, but for double the price of a crappy one, unless im not looking hard enough
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[6:11] <Twist-> you're clearly not, if you just looked at the one link I provided and assumed that was the price of every power supply
[6:11] <PKKid> Twist-, $50, not too shabby seeing as everything else I was looking at was about $40.
[6:11] <PKKid> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817152028
[6:11] <Twist-> that's also a friggin' 500w PSU
[6:12] <Twist-> But yes, you could use a voltage regulator with a 12V supply to peel off a 5V channel
[6:12] <Twist-> if you wanted to go that route
[6:13] <PKKid> Twist-, Im liking this modular power supply thing actually. It'll already have the standard 5v and 3.3v outputs I'll generally need.
[6:13] <PKKid> Thanks.
[6:13] <Twist-> Modular adds expense, of course
[6:14] <PKKid> I'm willing to pay $10 for organization, but not $40. :D
[6:14] <Twist-> call it $30
[6:14] <PKKid> yep
[6:14] <Twist-> sort all PSUs by price on newegg
[6:14] <Twist-> you'll note they start at $15
[6:14] <Twist-> or if you know people with old computers lying around, they start at free
[6:15] <Twist-> hit up youtube for videos of peopel converting ATS supplies to bench power supplies
[6:15] <Twist-> ATX
[6:15] <Twist-> I can't type. :(
[6:15] <Twist-> Heh.. or hit me up later in the week.. I need to sort this out myself
[6:15] <PKKid> What LED strips did you go with?
[6:15] <Twist-> strips are still in the mail.. I'm in a holding pattern
[6:16] <PKKid> im still looking into what I want to do, but I know I want to make an LED sign, seems like a fun programming project once the circuit is done.
[6:16] <PKKid> Also, did you decide how your going to drive them?
[6:17] <pksato> http://www.ebay.com/itm/12V-6A-Switching-Power-Supply-adapter-for-LED-Strip-light-/251157183459?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a7a227be3
[6:17] <pksato> and
[6:17] <Twist-> PKKid: http://www.amazon.com/HitLights-White-Double-Density-Flexible/dp/B00710K0DE/
[6:17] <pksato> http://www.ebay.com/itm/DC-DC-Converter-Regulator-12V-to-5V-15W-3A-Step-down-with-50cm-Mini-USB-5P-/261156705187?pt=US_Power_Inverters_&hash=item3cce2713a3
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[6:17] <Twist-> PKKid: these are just for house lighting.
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[6:18] <PKKid> pksato, We need more power, 25 Amps at least. :D
[6:18] <Twist-> I've got an addressable RGB strip as well for other comedy
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[6:18] <pksato> 300W at 12V?
[6:19] <PKKid> Twist-, Wow, thats a really good price actually. Two rolls would put me at my 1024 LEDs easy.
[6:19] <Twist-> PKKid: those aren't addressable
[6:19] <pksato> http://www.ebay.com/itm/12V-25A-300W-Universal-Regulated-Power-Supply-Transformer-for-Led-Strip-Light-/221150430760?pt=US_Lighting_Parts_and_Accessories&hash=item337d97c628
[6:19] <Twist-> You control the entire strip as a single unit
[6:19] <PKKid> ahh Isee
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[6:20] <Twist-> someone mentioned http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1319139499/pixelpusher earlier
[6:20] <Twist-> that's fun
[6:20] <PKKid> yea I saw that
[6:20] <PKKid> that takes the fun out of building the circuit. :D
[6:20] <Twist-> peggy is another decent project
[6:21] <Twist-> PKKid: fundamentally what I found looking into large LED matrix was that the component costs gets prohibitive in a real hurry
[6:21] <PKKid> Twist-, Yea, I am noticing that my bill is up around $150 already for a single color 16x64 display
[6:22] <PKKid> I didn't buy anything yet tho. :P
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[6:22] <Twist-> I was thinking about just buying one of these: http://www.adafruit.com/products/607
[6:23] <PKKid> pricey
[6:23] <PKKid> but i suppose with all the other crap im buying its a wash
[6:24] <Twist-> adafruit usually has a high markup
[6:24] <Twist-> you can generally find the same components for half the cost elsewhere
[6:24] <PKKid> yea
[6:24] <Twist-> or 1/5 the cost in some cases. heh.
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[6:24] <PKKid> I was looking at these myself: http://www.adafruit.com/products/555
[6:24] <PKKid> but I think I want to build the circuit myself.
[6:25] <Twist-> But if I use her tutorials and example code, I try to buy at least the first unit from adafruit
[6:25] <PKKid> whatever route I go, I'll need a good power supply .:D
[6:25] <Twist-> PKKid: did you look up the Peggy yet?
[6:25] <PKKid> im reading it now
[6:26] <Twist-> TI also has some nice matrix LED driver ICs
[6:26] <PKKid> I think I want a more condensed matrix
[6:26] <Twist-> You could have a denser board fabbed
[6:27] <PKKid> I'm having hard enough time as it is, lets not making it more complicated. :D
[6:27] <Twist-> http://www.makershed.com/Blinky_Grid_Red_SMT_p/mkwl07.htm
[6:27] <Twist-> that one has good density
[6:29] <PKKid> Twist-, "The display is updated through a web page by holding the Blinky Grid up to your monitor. Two squares on the web page blink to transmit the new message or animation to the Blinky Grid microcontroller" -- weird.. :P
[6:30] <Twist-> yep. video here. http://www.wayneandlayne.com/projects/blinky/
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[6:31] <Twist-> hmm. thats' not the vid
[6:32] <PKKid> I think it is, at 2:50 yo ucan see him programming it using his monitor
[6:32] <Twist-> I just scrubbed through too fast then
[6:33] <PKKid> I think the most fun part of this project for me is going to be writing the Python program to program it myself.
[6:33] <PKKid> maybe I should just buy these chainable displays and not worry about building the circuit.
[6:34] <Twist-> I'm the other way around.. I've been programming a long time, but I know dick about electronics.
[6:34] <Twist-> so that's the new hotness for me.
[6:35] <PKKid> I was planning to buy these chips: http://download.milesburton.com/Arduino/Sure2416/1632v120.pdf
[6:35] <PKKid> and then these adapters: http://www.adafruit.com/products/1162
[6:36] <PKKid> but soldering the chip on the board will kind of suck.
[6:37] <Twist-> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uiroWBkdFY
[6:37] <Twist-> soldering porn for oyu
[6:37] <PKKid> lol
[6:37] <Twist-> actually, this is a really good demo of drag soldering
[6:38] <PKKid> woah, thats all you do?
[6:38] <PKKid> It looks much easier in this video then I imagined.
[6:39] <Twist-> that dude has some steady hands
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[6:39] <PKKid> but the solder doesn't stick to the board ro seem to cross between pins
[6:39] <willdont> so, where does one find pi kits?
[6:39] <willdont> all i'm finding are pre-assembled pkgs
[6:40] <Twist-> right. capillary action
[6:40] <Twist-> surface tension pulls the solder together
[6:40] <[Saint]> willdont: you don't.
[6:40] <[Saint]> ....they don't exist.
[6:41] <[Saint]> (which is why you're not finding them)
[6:41] <willdont> schematics?
[6:41] <PKKid> I have a regular tip soldering iron, I wonder if it makes a huge difference in ease.
[6:41] <flexnsniff> definitely solder porn.
[6:41] <flexnsniff> wow.
[6:41] <[Saint]> willdont: Nope.
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[6:42] <willdont> well that's half the fun
[6:43] <[Saint]> Perhaps, if you're missing the point.
[6:43] <willdont> and that is?
[6:43] <PKKid> I dont think you can buy a RasPi not assembled..
[6:43] <[Saint]> PKKid: you can't.
[6:44] <PKKid> So what is Willdont talking about?
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[6:44] <Twist-> willdont: it's not open source hardware, unfortunately.
[6:44] <willdont> i thought in some world, you could.
[6:44] <[Saint]> PKKid: things he would like to exist in imagination world.
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[6:44] <PKKid> hehe
[6:44] <willdont> too bad. :)
[6:44] <Twist-> willdont: the Pi certainly isn't the only game in town for SoC
[6:45] <willdont> yes but certainly the loudest atm
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[6:47] <Twist-> microprocessors don't lend themselves to hand soldering
[6:48] <willdont> this i know
[6:48] <[Saint]> People cry loudly enough that it "isn't really a $25<insert_currency_unit_here> computer.
[6:49] <[Saint]> ...without having a fork out for a reflow station to *build* the thing ;)
[6:49] <Twist-> willdont: so you wanted a kit that you could use with the pick and place machine in your basement? :D
[6:49] <willdont> either you'll have expensive equipment for it or a hacky fire dangerious way to do it
[6:49] <[Saint]> thus defeating the purpose.
[6:49] <[Saint]> Yay!
[6:49] <willdont> still.
[6:50] <[Saint]> still what?
[6:50] <willdont> some people like going down that road.
[6:50] <[Saint]> It would entirely defeat the purpose, so, why?
[6:51] <willdont> i don't know i guess.
[6:51] <willdont> so, what makes pi so special amongst everything else?
[6:51] <Twist-> The price point.
[6:51] <[Saint]> it would be *more* expensive, and, you wouldn't actually end up with a finished product without the correct (expensive) tools - and possibly not even then.
[6:51] <Twist-> And the critical mass of users that coalesced around it.
[6:51] <[Saint]> making it basically useless.
[6:52] <ShiftPlusOne> I'd sum it up with the price point, gpio access, community and the gpu.
[6:52] <willdont> k
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[7:08] <bin_bash> I'm about to give up on this shitty raspberry pi i swear to god.
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[7:11] <[Saint]> language
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[7:12] <bin_bash> I'm speaking English.
[7:13] <ShiftPlusOne> Sure, but you might want to check the topic.
[7:13] <[Saint]> Ok then, since being deliberately obtuse is in fashion - try reading the topic for the channel rules.
[7:13] <[Saint]> If I have to follow them, you do too.
[7:14] <[Saint]> And believe me, its an effort for me, but, I (mostly) manage it.
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[7:18] <bin_bash> oh you're one of THOSE people
[7:18] <bin_bash> At any rate
[7:18] <bin_bash> I can't get the freakin' sound to work.
[7:19] <[Saint]> Yeah - I've heard temper tantrums often help with that ;)
[7:21] <ShiftPlusOne> bin_bash, does the hello_audio example work?
[7:21] <bin_bash> >implying anyone is having a temper tantrum
[7:21] <bin_bash> no
[7:21] <bin_bash> I suppose I could try again
[7:21] <ShiftPlusOne> at all? If you run "./hello_audio.bin 1" you get nothing?
[7:22] <ShiftPlusOne> And you have gone through http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting ?
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[7:24] <bin_bash> The only other problem I've been having is with the powered USB hub. apparently it's /TOO/ powered
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[7:26] <bin_bash> ShiftPlusOne, when I do the hello audio to hdmi nothing happens
[7:27] <ShiftPlusOne> pastebin your config.txt
[7:28] <bin_bash> http://sprunge.us/PLFQ
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[7:29] <ShiftPlusOne> Aha... yup, I've got no idea then.
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[7:29] <ShiftPlusOne> Does it show up in alsamixer?
[7:29] <bin_bash> only thing in alsamixer is PCM
[7:29] <bin_bash> which is up 100%
[7:29] <ShiftPlusOne> which devices does it list though?
[7:29] <bin_bash> bcm2835 ALSA
[7:30] <ShiftPlusOne> I'd try asking on the forum then. Give them your config, info from alsa, distro and steps you've taken so far.
[7:31] <bin_bash> which forum
[7:31] <ShiftPlusOne> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/
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[7:37] <bin_bash> half the time when i reboot
[7:37] <bin_bash> it doesn't reboot
[7:38] <[Saint]> so - that'd be an additional problem, other than "the only other problem" then?
[7:38] <[Saint]> Might be worthwhile checking your fs.
[7:39] <ShiftPlusOne> It might be linked to 'the only other problem" (rebooting because of the hub), but I don't know.
[7:39] <ShiftPlusOne> *not rebooting
[7:40] <bin_bash> ShiftPlusOne, yeah might be
[7:40] <[Saint]> ...easy to test.
[7:40] <[Saint]> reboot twice without the hub attached - record result.
[7:40] <[Saint]> (assuming "half of the time" was accurate)
[7:41] <[Saint]> go for broke and reboot 4 times even!
[7:41] <[Saint]> ;)
[7:43] <bin_bash> i give up
[7:43] <bin_bash> i'm going to have to reformat
[7:43] <bin_bash> now it doesn't want to boot at all
[7:43] <[Saint]> checking the filesystem isn't an option?
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[7:44] <bin_bash> it won't boot
[7:44] <[Saint]> and, what are you using to type on now...?
[7:44] <bin_bash> my laptop
[7:44] <[Saint]> so....?
[7:44] <bin_bash> so?
[7:44] <bin_bash> it doesn't read sdcards
[7:44] <[Saint]> so, mount it on the laptop?
[7:45] <[Saint]> Aha - how did you dd the image to the sdcard then?
[7:45] <bin_bash> sdcard reader doesn't work
[7:45] <[Saint]> and, how are you planning on formatting?
[7:45] <bin_bash> i'll have to install OS X
[7:45] <[Saint]> ...what? Why?
[7:46] <bin_bash> i meant boot into
[7:46] <bin_bash> idk why i said install
[7:47] <ShiftPlusOne> [Saint], don't think too much, bin_bash works in mysterious ways.
[7:48] <[Saint]> apparently.
[7:48] <bin_bash> lol
[7:48] <bin_bash> I am not thinking clearly
[7:48] <bin_bash> For whatever reason getting the sdcard reader to work in linux has been entirely unsuccessful
[7:48] <bin_bash> at a later date I'll have to boot into OS X
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[7:50] <willdont> dual? triple?
[7:50] <[Saint]> ...quadruple?
[7:51] <willdont> ..boot.
[7:51] <[Saint]> Oh - are we *not* naming names for multiples of things?
[7:51] <[Saint]> My mistake.
[7:52] <[Saint]> willdont: I feel I may have to point out to you that bin_bash isn't talking about booting OSX on the Pi itself.
[7:52] <[Saint]> jsyk.
[7:53] <bin_bash> Yeah no. I'm running Arch on a macbook. I keep OS X around for things like using the sdcard reader
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[7:54] <fr0g911> good old arch
[7:54] <willdont> i see
[7:54] <willdont> haven't tried arch
[7:54] <willdont> maybe tonight's the night
[7:55] <bin_bash> I'm very familiar with it, which is why I installed it on the pi
[7:55] <bin_bash> but I'm thinking of just doing raspbmc
[7:55] <willdont> and to stay on topic, i may just get a pi of my own in a couple weeks.
[7:55] <fr0g911> wait you dont have a pi
[7:55] <willdont> just to stay in line with the rules
[7:56] <willdont> i don't :(
[7:56] <bin_bash> get a pandaboard instead
[7:56] <fr0g911> i now have 14
[7:56] <willdont> my dreams were rushed tonight also
[7:56] <willdont> crushed* c doesn't always work
[7:57] <fr0g911> i like arch for stuff that needs use of everything the pi offers
[7:57] <willdont> why panda over..?
[7:57] <ShiftPlusOne> say that in ##c D=
[7:57] <willdont> lol
[7:57] <fr0g911> all the other distros lag
[7:57] <bin_bash> fr0g911, you use arch on the pi
[7:57] <sam_nazarko> Can't go wrong with raspbmc
[7:57] <sam_nazarko> ;)
[7:58] <fr0g911> yes i do willdont
[7:58] <fr0g911> hey sam_nazarko
[7:58] <fr0g911> nice to see you here
[7:58] <sam_nazarko> I idle here all the time
[7:58] <fr0g911> never seen you talk here lol
[7:58] <bin_bash> fr0g911, does sound work for you?
[7:58] <fr0g911> maybe its cause im sleeping here at this time
[7:58] <sam_nazarko> I just have this 24/7 connected via SSH
[7:59] <fr0g911> bin_bash i dont use anything that needs the use of sound when i use arch
[7:59] <bin_bash> oh
[7:59] <bin_bash> well fuck.
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[7:59] <bin_bash> oh god
[7:59] <bin_bash> i mean
[7:59] <fr0g911> for only ipcam and recording and video stuff
[7:59] <bin_bash> well darn
[7:59] <Raspiman> sam,why dont you use a irc bouncer on the raspberry?
[8:00] <fr0g911> it does record the sound perfect
[8:00] <bin_bash> fr0g911, video stuff?
[8:00] <bin_bash> hm
[8:00] <sam_nazarko> No need. screen + irssi are good enough
[8:00] <bin_bash> fr0g911, want to test somethign for me
[8:00] <fr0g911> like?
[8:00] <bin_bash> if the sound works
[8:00] <[Saint]> works for me.
[8:01] <bin_bash> [Saint], you use arch?
[8:01] <[Saint]> Yes.
[8:01] <bin_bash> hm
[8:01] <bin_bash> do you use just alsa or do you use something else
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[8:01] <fr0g911> i use motion and the sound works
[8:02] <bin_bash> idk what i'm doing wrong
[8:02] <Raspiman> http://raspberrypihelp.net/tutorials/28-raspberry-pi-irc-bouncer
[8:02] <[Saint]> well, your FS *does* sound like its trashed.
[8:02] <bin_bash> yeah
[8:02] <bin_bash> it might be
[8:02] <Raspiman> raspberrypi irc bouncer tutorial.
[8:02] <bin_bash> should i fsck it or what
[8:02] <[Saint]> That can cause a whole host of amusing problems.
[8:02] <[Saint]> and, yes, yes you should.
[8:03] <sam_nazarko> cheers Raspiman
[8:03] <bin_bash> [Saint], anything else I should run on it?
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[8:03] <fr0g911> hey sam_nazarko i was gonna ask about irc client for xbmc havent googled it yet but was looking at one that would run inside it so i can be in bed using my phone to talk on here cause im lazy
[8:03] <Raspiman> no problem sam
[8:05] <Raspiman> frog. there are also andriod irc clients. or what phone do you have?
[8:05] <sam_nazarko> fr0g911: not had a look myself but probably better off using your phone
[8:05] <fr0g911> hehe galaxy s2
[8:06] <fr0g911> and maybe have it use on text events to send on screen if someone says your name i know i can code it in irc scripting
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[8:07] <[Saint]> quassel-core on <some_platform> and quasseldroid
[8:08] <[Saint]> assuming you want logging when the client is offline.
[8:08] <fr0g911> bin_bash i also use arc for running irc server
[8:08] <[Saint]> if you don't, there's a whole lot more options.
[8:08] <bin_bash> cool i use centOS and debian for that :P
[8:10] <fr0g911> sam btw i found that copying all the userdata folders and addons and such from the atv 2 caused alot of problems for the pi but the ones for the atv1 worked fine
[8:11] <bin_bash> fr0g911, you run a big net or no
[8:12] <fr0g911> i tested that the pi can handle 287 users connect at once worked ok any over that will slow it down to a halt but that was running anope and irc server on the same pi
[8:13] <bin_bash> lol
[8:13] <bin_bash> wiat wait wait
[8:13] <fr0g911> i switched to 3 pi's havent tested it out with that yet
[8:13] <bin_bash> you allowed users to connect to your hub?
[8:14] <fr0g911> yes but it was a test and they were bot's
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[8:14] <bin_bash> still
[8:14] <bin_bash> our hub is entirely hidden
[8:14] <bin_bash> the only people who have the IP are opers
[8:14] <fr0g911> lol
[8:15] <fr0g911> irc isnt like it was back then
[8:15] <bin_bash> bck when?
[8:15] <fr0g911> hiding hubs and leafs and such
[8:15] <bin_bash> lol yes it is
[8:15] <bin_bash> or it shoudl be
[8:15] <fr0g911> no it ant
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[8:15] <bin_bash> it should be,
[8:15] <fr0g911> i wish
[8:15] <bin_bash> the hub should always be hidden
[8:15] <Raspiman> why hidden
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[8:16] <bin_bash> Raspiman, so that it can't go down
[8:16] <fr0g911> yeah you dont have the massive ddos and such and irc "wanna be on the top of the searchirc list" anymore
[8:16] <bin_bash> speak for yourself lol
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[8:16] <[Saint]> First rule of internets - if anyone knoes your IP, your internets die.
[8:17] <[Saint]> Fact.
[8:17] <willdont> who knows my IPs
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[8:17] <Raspiman> bin bash. and u use anope for an irc server on the pi?
[8:17] <fr0g911> fact people only care to take down something thats worth it
[8:17] <fr0g911> fact
[8:17] <bin_bash> then I guess my network is worht it? lol
[8:18] <fr0g911> nah
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[8:18] <fr0g911> i was already on it
[8:18] <bin_bash> Raspiman, no. We have separate servers for IRC
[8:18] <fr0g911> lol
[8:18] <fr0g911> j/k
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[8:18] <[Saint]> either that - or someone hates you. ;)
[8:18] <fr0g911> yeah lol
[8:18] <Raspiman> where do u use your pi for then?
[8:18] <bin_bash> we've been ddos'd before, we use ddos deflate. we've also been botflooded etc. but the network as a whole has never gone down because of the way it's setup
[8:19] <bin_bash> Raspiman, nothing right now
[8:19] <Raspiman> sad pi :-)
[8:19] <Raspiman> left all alone.
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[8:20] <bin_bash> i'm going to have to reformat the card
[8:21] <fr0g911> i only setup the pi with arch just to see how it would handle for irc server not to run a massive network like i used not like i used to be with dalnet absurd and rizon
[8:21] <fr0g911> im old now and have not botnet lol
[8:21] <fr0g911> no*
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[8:23] <fr0g911> i got 4 pi's coming in next week have no idea what im gonna do lol
[8:25] <willdont> eat one, freeze the others
[8:25] <Raspiman> why 4? lol
[8:27] <[deXter]> :)
[8:27] <Raspiman> need to go, bye
[8:27] <[deXter]> fr0g911, Media server, web server, router watchdog, PC watchdog
[8:27] <fr0g911> well i have to install 2 as motion servers for 6 ipcams
[8:28] <fr0g911> already have 14
[8:28] <[deXter]> 14? O_o
[8:28] <[deXter]> well I'm waiting for my local e14 to re-stock the Pis.. then I'll be ordering around 5 more Pis
[8:28] <fr0g911> ok let me explain
[8:29] <[deXter]> or 6
[8:29] <willdont> use one for wardriving
[8:29] <fr0g911> i have 3 bathrooms
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[8:30] <fr0g911> all of witch play shoutcast when you turn on light on
[8:30] <fr0g911> hehe
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[8:30] <fr0g911> then i have 6 rooms
[8:30] <sam_nazarko> znc'd up now
[8:30] <fr0g911> each one have raspbmc in them
[8:31] <sam_nazarko> :)
[8:31] <fr0g911> have one bathroom with a lcd for media
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[8:31] <fr0g911> then my living room
[8:31] <fr0g911> and the 6 rooms have raspbmc
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[8:32] <fr0g911> have 2 running motion arch* for motion capture of my 6 ipcams
[8:34] <fr0g911> i have sam_nazarko to thank for my 19 raspbmc media centers clients
[8:34] <sam_nazarko> 19 o.O?
[8:34] <fr0g911> yea i've setup 19 so far for people
[8:35] <sam_nazarko> crikey
[8:35] <fr0g911> and still going
[8:35] <fr0g911> my brother on the other hand
[8:35] <fr0g911> in austin texas
[8:35] <fr0g911> has done waaaaay over that
[8:35] <fr0g911> with the apple tv's
[8:37] <fr0g911> i have 2 apple tv's he gave me but i dont use them i like the pi's
[8:38] <[deXter]> heh, yeah similar story as well here
[8:38] <[deXter]> after I setup an openelec Pi for my mate, he has completely stopped using his apple tv
[8:39] <fr0g911> openelec yuck
[8:39] <[deXter]> Why?
[8:39] <fr0g911> oops crap now im gonna get doss'ed
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[8:42] <sam_nazarko> heh
[8:42] <fr0g911> least someone got it
[8:42] <fr0g911> lol
[8:42] <sam_nazarko> unfortunately I do :/
[8:43] <fr0g911> yeah ;(
[8:43] <willdont> this looks awesome: https://sites.google.com/site/glyman3home/scannerfeed
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[8:48] <fr0g911> night all
[8:48] <fr0g911> night sam
[8:48] <willdont> tc
[8:48] <sam_nazarko> night
[8:52] <[deXter]> I'm lost
[8:53] <willdont> aren't we all?
[8:56] <ShiftPlusOne> A quick heads up, this is not the channel for it. If you want to dicuss it, jump on #raspbmc or #openelec or ask sam in private.
[8:57] <sam_nazarko> ^^ this
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[11:14] <drobban> Having trouble to use library that i installed. getting the following when i try to run a program using the lib. error while loading shared libraries: libswill.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[11:15] <drobban> but I am able to find libswill.so in the /usr/local/lib
[11:15] <drobban> I dont understand where the problem is.
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[11:19] <consideratio> Im searching for a 1920*1080 monitor, that has a VESA mount not used by default, and a USB hub that powers the RPi --- on top of that i try to answer the hard-to-answer question: must the monitor be turned on to have the RPi get power through the USB hub?
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[11:20] <wombledom> Hey
[11:20] <ShiftPlusOne> JewishPotato, 'grats on the conversion.
[11:20] <ShiftPlusOne> consideratio, the monitor does not have to be on.
[11:21] <ShiftPlusOne> wombledom, hi
[11:21] <ShiftPlusOne> drobban, is /usr/local/lib in /etc/lsd.so.conf ?
[11:22] <ShiftPlusOne> */etc/ld.so.conf
[11:22] <consideratio> ShiftPlusOne --- the default for monitors is to power the USB hub no matter if you click the on/off button on the screen?
[11:22] <wombledom> I'm trying to overload the usb/ethernet bus to see if its the cause of torrent freezes but I can't seem to freeze it... I'm cross dding 2 usb hard disks about 6 times at once and making my load go up to ~6.00
[11:22] <drobban> ShiftPlusOne: thank you. I will check that
[11:23] <ShiftPlusOne> consideratio, oh, the hub is built into the monitor or something?
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[11:24] <drobban> ShiftPlusOne: it is.
[11:24] <consideratio> im searching for a monitor that has an usb hub built in, to power my RPi, and question myself: will i need to have clicked "ON" on the monitor?
[11:24] <consideratio> to get power to RPi
[11:24] <gordonDrogon> drobban, are you using Arch?
[11:25] <drobban> raspian
[11:25] <ShiftPlusOne> consideratio, ah ok, I mistunderstood your question then. I would imagine that this would depend on the monitor, but I don't know.
[11:25] <gordonDrogon> drobban, type sudo ldconfig -a
[11:25] <wombledom> Yeah, I wonder why extreme activity between two usb ports isn't freezing my pi but a simple torrent will totally halt it
[11:25] <consideratio> ShiftPlusOne okay :) thanks anyhow
[11:25] <ShiftPlusOne> drobban, if you run ldconfig -v, does it find the lib?
[11:25] <consideratio> Open question then: will monitor power their USB ports after they are shut down?
[11:27] <drobban> ShiftPlusOne: ldconfig -v |grep libswill gives me the following libswill.so -> libswill.so
[11:28] <drobban> i dont understand a thing.
[11:28] <ShiftPlusOne> drobban, what's the exact command you're running to get the error?
[11:28] <drobban> Now it just started to work
[11:28] <drobban> ShiftPlusOne: just trying to use a program linked to the lib
[11:29] <drobban> a program that i made
[11:29] <ShiftPlusOne> ah, then your ld cache may have been wrong
[11:29] <ShiftPlusOne> and running ldconfig updated your cache
[11:29] <drobban> ShiftPlusOne: okey. interesting.
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[11:29] <drobban> ShiftPlusOne: thank you. learned something useful then
[11:30] <ShiftPlusOne> Woo... I imparted wisdom!
[11:30] <drobban> ;)
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[11:34] <drobban> Found a lib that gives a "web-extension" for my ansi C projects. Realy sweet. ShiftPlusOne thank you for your help
[11:34] <wombledom> Are there any settings in cmdline.txt or config.txt that might prevent freezing?
[11:36] <ShiftPlusOne> drobban, np
[11:36] <wombledom> maybe enable otg or something
[11:36] <azeam> maybe warmsweater = 1 ;)
[11:36] <wombledom> Hah
[11:36] <ShiftPlusOne> badoom-tsch
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[11:38] <wombledom> Maybe archlinux has buggy kernels
[11:38] <azeam> wombledom: haven't read so closely, is it the torrents that causes it to freeze?
[11:38] <ShiftPlusOne> wombledom, any idea what it's freezing in the first place? cmdline is just kernel parameters.
[11:38] <wombledom> Running any torrent program eventually halts the pi with no errors, nothing I do is fixing it
[11:39] <azeam> have you tried smsc95xx.turbo_mode=N in cmdline?
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[11:39] <wombledom> Its set to N
[11:40] <ShiftPlusOne> wombledom, your tp1-tp2 and fuse voltage ok?
[11:40] <wombledom> Should I try Y?
[11:41] <wombledom> All voltages are fine, I measured 5.04v
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[11:41] <azeam> should be set to N when using torrents, works good for me
[11:41] <wombledom> I'm wondering if its because I'm using wifi
[11:42] <ShiftPlusOne> Are you sure it's frozen? Are you checking over ssh or at the actual pi?
[11:42] <gordonDrogon> Mmm.. The bread is in the oven :)
[11:42] <wombledom> Actual pi. All activity and IO suddenly stopd
[11:42] <ShiftPlusOne> hrmph
[11:43] <ShiftPlusOne> and nothing interesting in the logs?
[11:43] <wombledom> No, it just stops where it froze
[11:44] <wombledom> I have two pi's and they both freeze, tried other hdds and wifi adapters, same thing
[11:44] <ShiftPlusOne> Well, that's the extent of my troubleshooting knowledge.
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[11:45] <wombledom> It might be that archlinux has a bug in the kernel
[11:45] <ShiftPlusOne> Then try the stock kernel.
[11:45] <ShiftPlusOne> (rpi-update, or get it manually)
[11:46] <wombledom> there's no rpi update in the archlinux repo
[11:47] <azeam> https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-update
[11:49] <ShiftPlusOne> repo? well aren't we a bit spoiled =P
[11:49] <ShiftPlusOne> though I do see it in AUR
[11:50] <wombledom> don't know how to do aur stuff lol
[11:51] <ShiftPlusOne> look up yaourt
[11:51] <ShiftPlusOne> which is also in AUR so.... good luck
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[11:53] <wombledom> Whats yaourt?
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[11:54] <wombledom> Updating the kernel now!
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[11:56] <wombledom> Is raspbian better than archlinux in terms of having fewer bugs?
[11:57] <jelly1> it's not the same
[11:57] <jelly1> wombledom: if you don't like reading news/googling you shouldn't run arch
[11:57] <jelly1> wombledom: also archlinux doesn
[11:57] <jelly1> wombledom: also archlinux doesn't require rpi-update since it ships the firmware as a package
[11:58] <wombledom> I saw that, but I don't know if their kernel/firmware is different from raspbian's
[11:58] <jelly1> wombledom: uname -a
[11:59] <wombledom> 3.6.11-9-ARCH+
[12:00] <jelly1> I guess that's the same as raspbin
[12:00] <jelly1> *raspbian
[12:00] <wombledom> Was built on march 30
[12:00] <wombledom> I don't know if they patched it in a way that broke something though
[12:02] <wombledom> Hah rpi-update is installing the same exact kernel
[12:02] <jelly1> wombledom: why are you using rpi-update
[12:02] <jelly1> wombledom: why are you using rpi-update
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[12:02] <jelly1> you shouldn't use it
[12:03] <wombledom> I thought the hexxeh kernel had other patches or configurations in it
[12:04] <jelly1> well good luck ruining your install ;)
[12:04] <wombledom> Like using different custom kernels
[12:05] <wombledom> It doesn't bother me, I've reinstalled so many times trying to get this to work
[12:05] <jelly1> wombledom: maybe you should read some documentation
[12:06] <wombledom> I've read quite a bit on this issue but they're all dead ends
[12:09] <jelly1> 11:43:20 wombledom | Running any torrent program eventually halts the pi with no errors, nothing I do is fixing it
[12:09] <jelly1> wombledom: ^ did you tweak the torrent settings........
[12:09] <wombledom> I set max peers to 50 but it still freezes
[12:10] <jelly1> and download?
[12:10] <wombledom> 100kb/s
[12:10] <jelly1> hmm
[12:10] <ShiftPlusOne> wombledom, yaourt has the same interface as pacman, but it searches and installs packages from AUR as well.
[12:10] <wombledom> Maybe I need to raise cache from 4 to 8
[12:11] <jelly1> yaourt is awfull, don't use it
[12:11] <wombledom> Thanks ShiftPlusOne, ill look into that
[12:11] <wombledom> Oh, okay
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[12:12] <ShiftPlusOne> jelly1, sorry, I was under the impression that they didn't use the same kernel config.
[12:12] <jelly1> ShiftPlusOne: who?
[12:12] <ShiftPlusOne> arch
[12:12] <jelly1> ShiftPlusOne: not sure if they 100% do
[12:14] <ShiftPlusOne> Yup, so his issue is that he gets random freezing when torrenting and he was blaming the kernel. While I doubt that's the issue, I suggested that he try the official kernel to rule out that possibility.
[12:14] <ShiftPlusOne> I should have suggested a backup first though
[12:15] <wombledom> I'll just reflash
[12:15] <jelly1> that's not a solution :P
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[12:15] <PyDon> hi
[12:15] <wombledom> All there is on it is transmission and rtorrent anyway
[12:15] <jelly1> but he could also ask #archlinux-arm
[12:16] <wombledom> I did lol
[12:16] <jelly1> and
[12:16] <jelly1> ShiftPlusOne: the config https://github.com/archlinuxarm/PKGBUILDs/tree/master/core/linux-raspberrypi
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[12:16] <wombledom> The one that was on there didn't have a pi
[12:16] <jelly1> well ask later then
[12:16] <PyDon> can anyone help me? does anyone of you have ever written malloc on bare-metal on rip?
[12:16] <jelly1> and heheh they use the official kernel
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[12:17] <ShiftPlusOne> jelly1, so they don't just use the kernel from raspberrypi's github =/
[12:17] <jelly1> with some patches
[12:17] <ShiftPlusOne> is the config the same?
[12:17] <jelly1> ShiftPlusOne: they do use the kernel from raspberrypi's github
[12:17] <jelly1> ShiftPlusOne: https://github.com/archlinuxarm/PKGBUILDs/blob/master/core/linux-raspberrypi/PKGBUILD
[12:17] <ShiftPlusOne> not the binary
[12:17] <ShiftPlusOne> *
[12:17] <jelly1> clones git
[12:17] <jelly1> ShiftPlusOne: no ofcourse not
[12:18] <jelly1> ShiftPlusOne: archlinuxarm's libs are != debian's
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[12:18] <ShiftPlusOne> *built kernel from 'firmware' I mean
[12:18] <jelly1> hmm
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[12:18] <wombledom> So kernel isn't it, it must be that I'm using wifi and an external hard disk
[12:18] <jelly1> torrent + wifi lol
[12:19] <jelly1> usenet :P
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[12:21] <wombledom> I might just have to drop my peer limit to 20 or something
[12:21] <jelly1> you could try that
[12:22] <wombledom> Not like our isp speeds exceed wifi :p
[12:22] <wombledom> 1000kb/s max
[12:23] <wombledom> I guess the pi can't really handle so many net connections through usb
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[12:25] <azeam> I wouldn't say usb is the issue since the ethernet is connected via usb as well
[12:28] <jelly1> azeam: maybe he does too much via usb which locks stuff up ;)
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[12:29] <azeam> possible
[12:30] <azeam> but downloading torrents with ethernet to a usb hdd is doable without problems
[12:30] <wombledom> I've read so many forums and its almost always wifi+hdd
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[12:30] <jelly1> o?
[12:30] <ShiftPlusOne> wombledom, Found any thread with replies from dom perhaps?
[12:31] <PyDon> i am looking for a malloc function on bare-metal, does anyone know a project for this?
[12:31] <ShiftPlusOne> PyDon, I am clueless about this stuff, but newlib perhaps?
[12:33] <bertrik> PyDon: if you do only a few malloc at initialisation time and no free(), you can do a naive malloc, without free()
[12:34] <ShiftPlusOne> https://github.com/dwelch67/raspberrypi/tree/master/newlib0
[12:35] <PyDon> @ShiftPlusOne: newlib0? or newlib?
[12:35] <PyDon> bertrik: why? i often do read this
[12:35] <PyDon> whats the problem about free?
[12:37] <ShiftPlusOne> Like I said, I am clueless about this stuff. But newlib is newlib. newlib0 is just following dwelch67's naming convention.
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[12:39] <ShiftPlusOne> PyDon, there is some discussion about malloc here though http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=34835
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[12:44] <drobban> Anyone in here working with PiUI?
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[12:56] <consideratio> SD-cards, the speed of the card, improves performance?
[12:56] <consideratio> recommendations?
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[13:00] <angs> it is the first time I use raspberypi. I have a raspbian SD card from Farnell. Is it possible to connect the board via the ethernet interface? If it is so, what is the default IP address?
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[13:05] <ShadowJK> default is dhcp
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[13:07] <dennistlg> Hey guys
[13:08] <angs> thanks
[13:12] <PyDon> does anyone know a paper or page that introduces the reader how to structure a kernel?
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[13:14] <gordonDrogon> PyDon, there are several free malloc() implementations out there - however you might find that if you can launch a gcc compiled program linked with libc then you've got one already..
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[13:15] <ShadowJK> no libc on bare metal :)
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[13:15] <gordonDrogon> port the avr libc then :)
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[13:24] <PyDon> gordonDrogon: hm, i thought there is an easier solution than this entire package
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[13:30] <mgottschlag> PyDon: dlmalloc
[13:32] <mgottschlag> http://g.oswego.edu/dl/html/malloc.html
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[13:33] <PyDon> tax mgottschlag
[13:33] <PyDon> thx
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[13:51] <nilsw> is there a way to chgrp all gpio /sys/* files to a group of my chosing?
[13:51] <nilsw> I dont want to sudo all the time just to access those
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[13:56] <drobban> nilsw: what does the man-page say
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[13:57] <nilsw> I am looking into udev rules right now
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[13:57] <nilsw> drobban, the man page of what?
[13:57] <drobban> gpio
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[13:58] <drobban> I just assumed that you where talking about the wiringPi system, excuse me if im wrong
[13:59] <nilsw> I was talking about the basic /sys/class/gpio/* file permissions
[13:59] <drobban> ooh.
[13:59] <drobban> sorry mate
[13:59] <nilsw> after that it shouldnt matter what system I am using to work with the pins
[14:00] <nilsw> at least I hope so
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[14:00] <NetBat> Greetings Pi pickers.
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[14:02] <drobban> nilsw: im not sure how the gpio system works, but you are able to change ownership and permissions on devices, to me it sounds like it should be possible on the gpio file permissions as well
[14:02] <nilsw> drobban, yeah; I figured
[14:02] <Viper7> drobban: his problem would be that the pin specific gpio folders/files only exist after exporting them
[14:02] <nilsw> I just found out that RPIO uses /dev/mem though
[14:02] <Viper7> and those will be created with arbitrary permissions, set by.... udev?
[14:03] <nilsw> Viper7, afaik an udev rule should help there
[14:03] <Viper7> if not udev can at least override them yeah
[14:03] <drobban> Isnt it possible to change permissions after export then?
[14:03] <nilsw> there are a few threads on the forums
[14:03] <nilsw> drobban, yeah, but you would need to be root again
[14:03] <nilsw> I want to do all that without becoming root once
[14:03] <nilsw> :-D
[14:03] <drobban> hum, that sounds like a problem
[14:03] <Viper7> usually its not an issue for daemons
[14:04] <nilsw> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=198148#p198148
[14:04] <nilsw> it seems to work
[14:04] <drobban> make a program run with root permissions that changes the permissions for you =D
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[14:04] <Viper7> nilsw: yup
[14:04] <nilsw> drobban, thats what the udev rules are for
[14:04] <Viper7> drobban: like.. .udev? :D
[14:05] <drobban> aaah, im so oldschool that I dont know what udev is hehe =D
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[14:07] <drobban> udev sounds like a handy little program :)
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[14:09] <nilsw> ok
[14:09] <nilsw> the udev rule works
[14:10] <nilsw> it changes the owner of /sys/devices/virtual/gpio/
[14:10] <nilsw> not yet the one of /sys/class/gpio/export
[14:10] <nilsw> but I will get there
[14:10] <nilsw> :-D
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[14:21] <jks> anyone had success interfacing Wiegand on the RPi GPIOs ?
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[14:25] <NetBat> jks: that's a name I never thought I'd hear again. :)
[14:25] <jks> hehe, pretty old school yes :)
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[14:26] <NetBat> jks: May I ask what ou plan to do with it?
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[14:26] <jks> I want to hook up a (or preferably multiple) RFID readers to the RPi
[14:26] <jks> The ones available with Wiegand-protocol are much cheaper than going for a RS-232 or USB version
[14:27] <jks> and cable lengths would be less of a problem than with USB
[14:27] <NetBat> jks: ah I see. Is that for a business or smething?
[14:27] <jks> it's for school
[14:27] <NetBat> jsk: A-ha1
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[14:28] <jks> the idea is to create a system that could track attendance by having everyone present a keyfob to the reader
[14:28] <NetBat> jks: please pardon the typos - cold fingers.
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[14:28] <jks> just playing with the idea for now... but if I could attach multiple wiegand readers to a single RPi - it could be made at a very low cost
[14:29] <wombledom> Aww yeah a class 10 card is better than an unclassed card
[14:29] <jks> class 10?
[14:29] <wombledom> Sd card
[14:29] <jks> oh sorry, thought you were talking about rfid cards :)
[14:29] <NetBat> jks: I like the sound of it, and I agree with the logic behind it.
[14:30] <jks> NetBat, I found out you can get the wiegand readers at 7$... very inexpensive
[14:30] <wombledom> Can you program rfid cards?
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[14:31] <jks> it's 5V so would need a level converter for the 3V3 GPIOs on the RPi.... the question is if they need to be interrupt-controlled to be fast enough... I'm not sure how many GPIOs can be set to interrupt input on the RPi?
[14:31] <Hoerie> <jks> I want to hook up a (or preferably multiple) RFID readers to the RPi <-- I was toying with the idea of using QR codes for something similar
[14:31] <jks> wombledom, depends on the type, some are read-only others can be written to
[14:31] <wombledom> So you can put a binary on several cards and swipe them all, then it splices the data into a binary
[14:31] <jks> Hoerie, but readers for QR codes are more expensive/complex, right? i.e. you would require a webcam or a laser-scanner or something?
[14:31] <jks> wombledom, yes, some can contain several kB of data
[14:32] <wombledom> Neato
[14:32] <Hoerie> yeah webcam I guess
[14:32] <Hoerie> I hadn't thought of rfid yet, but the fobs might cost more in the end
[14:32] <wombledom> I have a barcode reader pen from a tandy
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[14:32] <wombledom> Maybe I can hook it to gpio
[14:32] <jks> Hoerie, they're also quite cheap... but ofcourse QR-codes only require a very cheap printer and some stickers
[14:33] <Hoerie> my taekwondo teacher was interested in something to track attendance
[14:33] <jks> Hoerie, the keyfobs can be purchases at about 10 cents each
[14:33] <Hoerie> i.e. scan the stuff being taught and the students and have a log of who trained in what
[14:33] <jks> Hoerie, they're entirely passive, i.e. no battery or anything inside
[14:34] <Hoerie> I know, my office has a card system operating on rfid
[14:34] <Hoerie> when I was at uni the reading hardware was a bit more expensive though
[14:34] <Hoerie> never really looked into it again
[14:34] <jks> yeah, it is suddenly very inexpensive when you look at wiegand protocol readers
[14:35] <Hoerie> I guess that gives me a use for my 2nd pi :-)
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[14:35] <jks> the USB ones cost about 20-30$ - so there's a massive price difference... especially given that one RPi probably can handle only one or two USB readers because of the cable lengths
[14:36] <Hoerie> there'd also have to be drivers I guess
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[14:36] <jks> for usb? - nope, they just emulate a keyboard
[14:36] <Hoerie> ah, cool
[14:37] <Hoerie> hmm, now you've got me all interested - guess I'll have to look into it now
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[14:37] <jks> sorry about that :)
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[14:37] <jks> do you know how many of the GPIOs on the RPI can be set to interrupt?
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[14:38] <Hoerie> I have no experience with gpio at all, gordonDrogon is the one to ask for that kind of stuff (he did wiringPi)
[14:38] <jks> I've only used the UART and the power on the GPIO header, so I'm new to the actual GPIOs
[14:39] <jks> but for example if it could use 12 pins as interrupt, then I could connect 6 readers to one RPi
[14:40] <jks> that's a rpi and 6 rfid readers at less than 80$ ... plus some cable
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[14:41] <wombledom> Can an interrupt be just 1 bit?
[14:42] <wombledom> For parallel I was thinking of 8 pins for data and 1 pin for interrupt
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[14:43] <jks> sure, I guess so - if the equipment you're connecting it to supports it?
[14:44] <jks> the wiegand system is a bit old fashioned... there's no clock or seperate interrupt line or anything like that
[14:44] <jks> just two data lines... when one goes low it means a bit with value 0, when the other goes low it means a bit with value 1
[14:44] <Triffid_Hunter> wombledom: generally you can specify a mask somewhere if you just want one pin on a port.. haven't looked at the datasheet for the rpi's chip yet though
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[14:48] <Triffid_Hunter> jks: essentially differential with both lines=1 to indicate idle state and an idle between each bit?
[14:48] <jks> Triffid_Hunter, exactly
[14:48] <Triffid_Hunter> that resembles USB
[14:48] <Triffid_Hunter> so perhaps not as rare as you thought ;) although usb has a whole protocol layer stacked on top as well
[14:49] <jks> this is just a lot older, so the timing requirements are a lot less I gues
[14:49] <nilsw> pl66666666
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[14:54] <nilsw> oh sorry, I was replacing a few keys on my keyboard :-D
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[14:59] <DO5SMB> hi. can anybody tell me how i can install ndiswrapper on the pi? it doesnt work via apt-get.
[15:00] <ShiftPlusOne> I don't think it can
[15:01] <ShiftPlusOne> *I don't think ndiswrapper can work on the pi
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[15:02] <Triffid_Hunter> ndiswrapper.. that's the one that loads windows drivers? yeah that won't work on the pi, cpu has a completely different instruction set
[15:02] <DO5SMB> hmmmm.. pity..... through it is strange thatthere is a defect version in the repositories
[15:02] <DO5SMB> ah... ok
[15:03] <ShiftPlusOne> Are you sure there is no native linux driver?
[15:03] <Triffid_Hunter> DO5SMB: unless of course you happen to find a driver for windows ARM edition...
[15:03] <Viper7> jks: any/all GPIO pins can be set to watch for rising/falling edge on a per-pin basis, but be aware that the linux kernel will steal time from you occasionally, which may delay/corrupt your results - tho i guess thats not likely to be a huge issue with RF as long as you can get the frequency you need
[15:03] <DO5SMB> ok... thats not very likely
[15:04] <jks> Viper7, then I just have the issue of converting 5V to 3.3V - hmm :)
[15:04] <Viper7> jks: only one pin can generate a high frequency clock output, and theres none that can receive it
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[15:04] <jks> what is meant by high frequency?
[15:04] <Viper7> unless you count a serial port's shift register
[15:04] <Viper7> well theres an example using a pi as an FM radio transmitter
[15:04] <jks> oh, really high frequency :)
[15:04] <Viper7> but basically anything faster than you can achieve in userland with memory mapped gpio access
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[15:05] <Viper7> (which is significantly faster than going via /sys)
[15:05] <jks> the data impulses in wiegand are 80 us
[15:06] <Viper7> both wiringPi and the mikem's bcm2835 lib can setup interrupts and handlers
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[15:06] <jks> and the distance between impulses are 1 us it seems
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[15:07] <jks> so I guess I would need a frequency of 2 Mhz (?)
[15:07] <Viper7> hmm, thats pushing it - depends on how much work you need to do i guess
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[15:08] <jks> it's a bit confusing because other places the protocol is describing as having a pulse width of 20-100 us and interval time of 200 us
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[15:08] <jks> which would require a lot less
[15:09] <Viper7> C code doing nothing but using the most minimal code possible to simply toggle an IO pin can get up to about 14MHz
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[15:10] <Viper7> C code using wiringPi again with the most minimal example of toggling a pin tops out at more like 7MHz
[15:10] <jks> interesting! - I would just need to detect LOWs on the pins and stuff the bits on a buffer
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[15:12] <Viper7> as for watching for inputs, you can have rising/falling edge detection with around the same timing
[15:12] <Viper7> its a state machine check for which pin the interrupt fired on, and it only has a buffer size of 1
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[15:12] <Viper7> so i dont know about handling 6 at once, but certainly if you rotate between them
[15:13] <Viper7> however in that case, you might as well latch them externally, and easily handle dozens :P
[15:13] <jks> how so? what do you mean by latch?
[15:14] <Viper7> a multiplexer
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[15:14] <jks> I don't really know any electronics, so I probably can't build such a thing :)
[15:14] <Viper7> heh
[15:15] <Viper7> an 8 way multiplexer is like a switch, one connection in, 8 connections out
[15:16] <Viper7> you send them a binary number, or message over SPI/I2C to select which one to use
[15:16] <jks> I guess it would be easier to have something like an Arduio that connects for example 8 readers, and then converts it to RS-232 for communication with the RPi
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[16:02] <NetBat> borderer: howdy.
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[16:03] <borderer> Hello NetBat
[16:03] <borderer> very interesting chat last night
[16:06] <borderer> Question: my Pi CPU chip runs at 50 degrees - is this normal
[16:07] <ShiftPlusOne> yes
[16:07] <ShiftPlusOne> below 80 is fine.
[16:07] <ShiftPlusOne> start worrying when you get to 75
[16:07] <borderer> so is it worth fitting a heat sink - just in case
[16:08] <ShiftPlusOne> the main chip is under the ram
[16:08] <ShiftPlusOne> there is no real thermal coupling
[16:08] <ShiftPlusOne> so if you put a heatsink on top of the ram, you won't be accomplishing anything
[16:09] <ShiftPlusOne> and keep in mind this is the same technology that's used in mobile phones, which don't have heatsinks either. These devices are designed to operate in these temperatures without heatsinks.
[16:09] <borderer> So it sounds like I should not worry
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[16:09] <ShiftPlusOne> Definitely not. If you're going to do serious overclocking (over 1.2GHz), then you'll want a fan or something like that, but a heatsink won't do any good.
[16:10] <steve_rox> i gave my rpi a heatsink ripped off a old mainboard
[16:10] <ShiftPlusOne> But many people like to put heatsinks on anyway because they can.
[16:10] <steve_rox> but without a fan a heatsink is worthless really
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[16:11] <steve_rox> whole point of heatsink is to spead and disspate heat , without air flow thu the fins your not moveing it away
[16:11] <steve_rox> spread
[16:11] <borderer> I do not intend overclocking - I am only running irssi and it is fast enough
[16:12] <steve_rox> ppl on ebay love selling ram heatsinks as cpu coolers and makeing a hell of a profit
[16:13] <ShiftPlusOne> And after that rant... nap time.
[16:13] <steve_rox> i feel like that too
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[16:13] <borderer> well thats life - there is always someone who will pay
[16:13] <borderer> me too - thanks
[16:14] <steve_rox> some the sinks are so wide too they risk cross connecting the pins near the chip
[16:14] <steve_rox> which is fun
[16:15] <steve_rox> wonder how safe the rpi is for using it as a email client
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[16:16] <borderer> I have used mine about 3 months with sendEmail without aqny problems
[16:18] <borderer> I have considered using Mutt for receiving
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[16:18] <steve_rox> i mean is there any security issues i should be aware of
[16:19] <steve_rox> i use ssh to control the rpi but thats on a isolated port on the lan
[16:19] <steve_rox> apachie www server is running too allong with mumble server
[16:19] <nilsw> the Rpi is as secure as any other Linux machine
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[16:20] <borderer> I agree with nilsw
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[16:20] <steve_rox> i mean i still have the thing using the default ssh username and pwd but since the ssh port is isolated does that mean im less at risk or just as bad?
[16:20] <steve_rox> theres no one on my lan which is going to access it
[16:21] <nilsw> you should change the password, just to be safe
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[16:21] <borderer> I use ssh with a ssh key so I do not have a password - The port is also changed
[16:22] <steve_rox> i hate haveing to type the pwd in every time i login to ssh tho
[16:22] <nilsw> then authenticate via a public key
[16:22] <steve_rox> i have to figure that out first
[16:22] <nilsw> PuTTY + PuttyGen + Pageant on Windows
[16:22] <nilsw> or ssh-keygen on Linux/Mac
[16:23] <steve_rox> well i have putty
[16:23] <nilsw> oh, you dont even need pageant
[16:23] <nilsw> http://www.ualberta.ca/CNS/RESEARCH/LinuxClusters/pka-putty.html
[16:23] <nilsw> its dead simple, really
[16:24] <steve_rox> hopefully
[16:25] <borderer> I also use webmin on the rpi which helps with the config
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[16:27] <steve_rox> kinda difficult to find purpose for the rpi
[16:28] <borderer> I use mine with motion - protects the Garden - and looks for birds
[16:28] <steve_rox> some kinda motion detector land mine?
[16:29] <steve_rox> doesent that cam module come out this month?
[16:29] <nilsw> steve_rox, really? I have too many ideas and too little time :-D
[16:30] <borderer> Thats it! motion is used as a motion detector with a webcam
[16:30] <steve_rox> well my lack of understanding linux/python holds me back when it comes to devlopment
[16:30] <drobban> steve_rox: learn c.
[16:31] <steve_rox> its difficult to choose a language to focus on with it
[16:31] <steve_rox> ms entrapped me into vb6 then they terminated support for it
[16:31] <drobban> steve_rox: learn c, and all the rest will come with it.
[16:31] <steve_rox> heh
[16:31] <steve_rox> i dont think i can learn that
[16:31] <dunnicli> Don't be in a hurry to learn everything. It's not a race. Enjoy the learning experience.
[16:32] <drobban> how advanced is this printf("Hello world ;)");
[16:32] <borderer> Motion is in the Debian repro and requires no programmin knowledge
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[16:32] <steve_rox> it kinda feels like being kicked in the gutts and being demoted back to a computer user rather than a programmer if that makes sence
[16:34] <borderer> I think you use Windoz - learn linux as used on the Rpi - makes more sence
[16:35] <nilsw> steve_rox, Python is a good choice. I've come across a few... Java, C, C++, PHP, XSLT....
[16:35] <steve_rox> ive learnt a bit of basic linux i guess
[16:35] <nilsw> And I am amazed how quick I can do stuff in Python
[16:35] <steve_rox> windows is as good as dead with its current path its takeing
[16:36] <drobban> nilsw: You would be amazed how fast things can be done in C ;)
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[16:36] <steve_rox> er what editor proggie do you use to edit python? i know the pi has some tools but kinda like to do it on something that has a bigger keyboard
[16:36] <steve_rox> and a display thats not crt eye hurt
[16:36] <nilsw> drobban, no, they cant :-D
[16:36] <drobban> steve_rox: gvim is kind of nice
[16:37] <nilsw> steve_rox, Sublime Text
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[16:37] <steve_rox> erm okay
[16:37] <drobban> nilsw: It should take exact as long writing good python code as good c code :P
[16:38] <nilsw> drobban, If you know each language perfectly, yes
[16:38] <steve_rox> be fun if i could learn some the basics and control something like a relay i dunno
[16:38] <nilsw> steve_rox, that is almost too simple :-D
[16:39] <steve_rox> technically yes
[16:39] <borderer> Very interesting - but, got to go
[16:39] <nilsw> I mean you can just pipe a few values into /sys files and would see results
[16:39] <drobban> steve_rox: ansi c. down wiringPi and it will take you 30minutes to learn how to turn on and of a relay
[16:39] <steve_rox> i can solder and do electronics probly
[16:40] <steve_rox> maybe id rig the pi into one my old RC raceing car things
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[16:40] <nilsw> steve_rox, the next step would then be: put an RFID tag next to your door. put an app on your smartphone that connects to the rpi and opens the door via the relais you've connected to it.
[16:40] <steve_rox> who sais i have a smart phone haha
[16:40] <nilsw> hmmm
[16:41] <nilsw> ok
[16:41] <nilsw> :-D
[16:41] <steve_rox> :-P
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[16:43] <steve_rox> any project ideas for the rpi cam module?
[16:43] <jelly1> spycam
[16:43] <jelly1> robot
[16:43] <jelly1> car
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[16:43] <steve_rox> must be more :-)
[16:43] <jelly1> sure
[16:44] <jelly1> steve_rox: those elapse photo's
[16:44] <jelly1> time-lapse stuff
[16:44] <nilsw> but you should use an DSLR for that
[16:44] <steve_rox> ive seen many of them on utube
[16:44] <nilsw> the trigger can be easily controlled using the GPIOs
[16:44] <jelly1> facial recign.
[16:44] <jelly1> nilsw: sure but with the pi camera you can post it online
[16:44] <steve_rox> i have a panasonic lumix i could tie a relay into
[16:45] <steve_rox> but im not sure its bat would last long enough
[16:45] <nilsw> jelly1, but it would be just another crappy cellphone cam shot :-D
[16:45] <nilsw> steve_rox, automatic window blindes
[16:45] <steve_rox> no idea what that is
[16:45] <jelly1> nilsw: yeah..
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[16:45] <nilsw> measure the brightness in your room, close the window blinds when its too bright
[16:45] <nilsw> so your room wont heat up while you're gone
[16:46] <jelly1> I love heat
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[16:46] <kvarley> http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0042B9U8Q Will this power my pi?
[16:47] <nilsw> kvarley, yes
[16:47] <kvarley> nilsw: \0/
[16:47] <kvarley> nilsw: thanks
[16:48] <steve_rox> i adapted a radio triggered relay to fire a wired shutter on my lumix cam , got some amazing bird shots
[16:48] <steve_rox> i figure i could use a relay on the rpi to do the same
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[16:48] <nilsw> kvarley, judging from "is it USB? does it provide more than 700mA"...
[16:48] <nilsw> :-D
[16:48] <steve_rox> maybe even trigger over wifi using the rpi cam module as a targeting view
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[16:48] <steve_rox> i dunnos
[16:48] <nilsw> yeah, why not
[16:48] <chunkyhead> does ubuntu work on the new raspberry pi? or is it still too much ?
[16:49] <steve_rox> theres a new rpi?
[16:49] <nilsw> the one with 512 MB RAM I presume?
[16:49] <steve_rox> thats rev2
[16:49] <kvarley> chunkyhead: Ubuntu only supports ARM v7, the Pi is ARM v6. Canonical will never make Ubuntu for ARM v6.
[16:50] <kvarley> chunkyhead: Ubuntu is based on Debian. Debian is available for the Pi and is well supported.
[16:50] <chunkyhead> kvarley, which all GUI linux OS can pi run?
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[16:50] <nilsw> chunkyhead, Debian or Arch come to mind
[16:50] <nilsw> you have to install the GUI yourself though
[16:51] <kvarley> chunkyhead: http://elinux.org/RPi_Distributions
[16:51] <kvarley> chunkyhead: Debian is your best bet if you are new :)
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[16:52] <steve_rox> surprised ms hasent tryed to get on the devloper band waggon with rpi or some other low cost codeing thing
[16:52] <steve_rox> allways missing the boat i spose
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[16:54] <chunkyhead> kvarley, i'm not exactly new to linux. not old too. was just wondering which would be the easiest to work on :)
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[16:55] * gordonDrogon waves.
[16:56] <steve_rox> :-P
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[17:03] <gordonDrogon> chunkyhead, Raspbian (which is Debian tailored for the Pi) has the most support right now. The standard install runs the LXDE window manager, but I use xfce4 myself (when I need to run X)
[17:04] <gordonDrogon> Arch is becoming more popular too, but support won't be as good as Raspbian yet.
[17:04] <Viper7> kvarley: debian but not raspbian for newbies? why?
[17:05] <chunkyhead> raspbian is gui?
[17:05] <gordonDrogon> Raspbian is Debian tailored for the Pi.
[17:05] <gordonDrogon> it comes with the LXDE window manager by default.
[17:05] <gordonDrogon> which is a GUI.
[17:06] * chod looks in
[17:06] <Viper7> does native debian have FPU support and such?
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[17:09] <ShadowJK> Not optimal
[17:11] <excalibas> is there a way to automagically set the time on raspian?
[17:12] <Viper7> apt-get install ntp
[17:12] <Viper7> ?
[17:12] <excalibas> Viper7: ntp is installed
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[17:12] <[Saint]> Assuming you have a net connection and set the locale, it should "just work".
[17:12] <excalibas> but the time is wrong
[17:12] <excalibas> maybe the locale is worng or not set
[17:12] <[Saint]> I suspect you've not set the locale.
[17:13] <[Saint]> Fire up raspi-config and check
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[17:14] <Viper7> or havent rebooted since installing ntp and the service isnt started?
[17:14] <Viper7> sudo /etc/init.d/ntp start
[17:14] <[Saint]> ntp should be a default package.
[17:14] <[Saint]> no need.
[17:14] <[Saint]> As I said, I suspect the locale isn;t set correctly.
[17:14] <Viper7> i didnt think it was?
[17:15] <Viper7> shrug
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[17:15] <Viper7> if in doubt, install ntpdate too and test a manual update
[17:15] <Viper7> (remember to stop the ntp service to use it)
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[17:17] <ShadowJK> if the time is right, "date -u" command should say 15:17 right now
[17:19] <excalibas> dete -u says: Sun Apr 7 08:57:33 UTC 2013
[17:19] <excalibas> date -u sorry
[17:19] <excalibas> the locale is set
[17:20] <ShadowJK> Yeah that looks wrong
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[17:23] <Dyskette> Hrm. Filesystem died on my SD card a few weeks back, just got round to flashing the latest image.
[17:23] <Dyskette> Now I'm not having any joy getting it to do anything at all.
[17:23] <gordonDrogon> anyone have the link to the recent article on the dos emulator for the Pi? My google-fu is failing me )-:
[17:24] <Dyskette> Connect power, PWR LED comes on, OK LED goes green briefly, then stays stone dead off (as does the rest of the system, seemingly)
[17:24] <Dyskette> Any ideas?
[17:25] <gordonDrogon> it's read the bootloader, then nothing else..
[17:25] <Dyskette> (Latest image - 2013-02-09-wheezy - and an old 256mb model B)
[17:25] <gordonDrogon> possibly a badly flashed SD card?
[17:25] <Viper7> Dyskette: corrupt SD image, reflash card or replace card
[17:25] <Dyskette> It looks fine from this box.
[17:25] <dunnicli> I had a bad power adapter and had similar results.
[17:25] <Viper7> not the boot sector
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[17:26] <AdvancedNewbie> Anybody used PiBang?
[17:26] <Viper7> Dyskette: i've had those exact symptoms and the card still looked fine on the pc, even replaced boot files on it and it didnt change anything
[17:26] <Viper7> reflashed it, worked fine
[17:26] <AdvancedNewbie> Specifically, for Apache/PHP use?
[17:26] <Dyskette> Viper7, well, can't hurt to give it a go
[17:26] <AdvancedNewbie> (and python)
[17:27] <AdvancedNewbie> I notcied it uses Kernel 3.6
[17:27] <AdvancedNewbie> noticed*
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[17:48] <T_UNIX> hi
[17:48] <gordonDrogon> afternoon...
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[17:49] <T_UNIX> I'm trying to use evas (enlightenment.org) as a hardware accelerated (openGLES2) ui library.
[17:50] <T_UNIX> unfortunately it seems that the Pi's eglGetDisplay won't return a display variable when handed an X11 display as parameter
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[17:51] <T_UNIX> e.g. only "EGL_DEFAULT_DISPLAY" seems to be the only valid parameter for eglDisplayGet
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[17:51] <Dyskette> Yeah, reflashing worked :) Thanks guys!
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[17:55] <T_UNIX> when calling eglGetDisplay with a X11 display, the returned display is 0x0, but the exit code is "EGL_SUCCESS"
[17:55] <T_UNIX> (0x3000)
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[17:56] <T_UNIX> does anybody have any experience with that?
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[18:03] <gordonDrogon> not me I'm afraid.
[18:04] <gordonDrogon> might want to try the graphics section on the forums on raspberrypi.org if you've not already done so...
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[18:07] <ohhmaar> so for xbmc to read my movies/tv shows properly would it be a good idea to put each movie in a folder?
[18:08] <T_UNIX> gordonDrogon: thanks, I will have a look
[18:08] <T_UNIX> or rather another one, since I didn't find anything about that there
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[18:27] <MarkDude> AlanBell: pingy
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[18:35] <dennistlg> gordonDrogon have my i2c setup done and the pi list me the devices
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[18:36] <dennistlg> http://snakefreak.pytalhost.de/i2c.png
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[18:41] <gordonDrogon> dennistlg, lots of devices...
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[18:46] <dennistlg> 2 ic's one texas instruments touch controller and one TeraWins lcd controller
[18:46] <dennistlg> the last had an composite in.
[18:47] <dennistlg> my golanow is to tell him to show me the screen from compsite on the lcd
[18:47] <gordonDrogon> if that the car radio you mentioned?
[18:47] <dennistlg> yes
[18:48] <dennistlg> http://snakefreak.pytalhost.de/GEDC1130.JPG
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[18:48] <dennistlg> http://snakefreak.pytalhost.de/GEDC1128.JPG
[18:49] <dennistlg> http://snakefreak.pytalhost.de/radio1024.jpg
[18:49] <dennistlg> on the last picture you can see the burned circuit in the upper left corner
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[18:55] <gordonDrogon> do you think it would display the Pi's comopsite output?
[18:55] <dennistlg> yeah it should be able to to this. but i cant find the right registers to set
[18:57] <gordonDrogon> registers? is this on the lcd controller?
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[18:58] <dennistlg> http://snakefreak.pytalhost.de/T118B_AI_64LQFP.pdf thats the datasheet
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[19:01] <Scriven> very cool dennistlg !
[19:02] <Scriven> I haven't had a chance to play with any of the i2c stuff, or spi stuff... slowly slowly I'm dragging myself up the learning curves.
[19:06] <dennistlg> i2c is new for me too. but i have to say i know other bus systems (CAN LIN and MOST bus)
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[19:07] <gordonDrogon> I'm not a fan of i2c...
[19:07] <gordonDrogon> but it's there and it works, so might as well use it...
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[19:10] <Viper7> dennistlg: set 91h to D1h (from its default of 0Ch)
[19:10] <Viper7> that'll enable the built-in pattern generator and send a test output to the LCD
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[19:10] <Viper7> end of page 51
[19:12] <Chetic> why do my file systems always get corrupt on my pies?
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[19:12] <Chetic> I've had 4-5 different sd cards in two different raspberry pies and they've all gotten corrupt after a short while it seems
[19:13] <Viper7> you dont shutdown cleanly?
[19:13] <Chetic> I didn't before to be honest but now it happened again, with a new sd card, without even shutting down
[19:13] <gordonDrogon> overclocking?
[19:13] <Chetic> bash printed some error when I was on ssh about it being a read-only file system
[19:13] <dennistlg> Viper7 wow nice find ;-) il try it.
[19:13] <Chetic> no overclocking at all
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[19:15] <gordonDrogon> Linux probably set the filesystem to read only when it detected corruption.
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[19:28] <dennistlg> hm
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[19:29] <dennistlg> when i do a i2cget -y 0 0x28 0x91 i have an output of 0x04
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[19:53] <D4CH> Hello. I've just ordered a Raspberry Pi starter kit. I've been googling things to do with it, and I've come to the conclusion that I want to set up the following: A HTTP server with a page where my webcam will broadcast the outside view of my window. Then I want to setup software that counts how many cars have driven past (http://sourceforge.net/projects/cautove/).
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[19:54] <D4CH> Now, I have no programming experience. So how hard will this be for me?
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[19:55] <D4CH> Also, I want a Tor Relay Node, FTP Server, IRC Server on the Pi. But I can manage to set those up myself without problems.
[19:55] <gordonDrogon> good luck.
[19:56] <D4CH> lol thanks
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[19:58] <dennistlg> Viper7 are you there?
[19:58] <Viper7> yup
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[19:59] <flufmnstr> can the pi even handle being a tor relay without creating a bottleneck?
[19:59] <D4CH> No clue
[20:00] <dennistlg> i2cset -y 0 0x28 0x91 0xD1 changes nothing on the lcd
[20:01] <dennistlg> before the set i have done a i2cget -y 0 0x28 0x91 and i have an output of 0x04
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[20:04] <dennistlg> i think i have to set all registers ( so the ic knows how to drive the display) can it be?
[20:04] <dennistlg> than its a lot ow work
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[20:08] <Viper7> if the chip has lost its eeprom, yep
[20:08] <Viper7> if you set that value and read it back, is it now D1 ?
[20:08] <dennistlg> yes than its d1
[20:10] <dennistlg> the default value was 0x04
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[20:11] <flufmnstr> D4CH keep the community updated. thats an interesting project.
[20:11] <D4CH> If I get everything working I will post it, but I doubt it. BUT! I will try at least :D
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[20:14] <dennistlg> D4Ch you can make a worklog on the forum. so people will be intrestet and when you have a question some mabe able to help
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[20:57] <flufmnstr> i need to get around to making a work log for my haunt controller project
[20:57] <yeik> work log, or working log?
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[20:58] <dennistlg> Viper7 i think the rom is ok and filled because i can read out values that differ from the defaults ( and i have not set them)
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[21:00] <Viper7> dennistlg: try 80
[21:00] <Viper7> (setting 91 to 80)
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[21:00] <Viper7> or A8
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[21:00] <Viper7> err, not A8, A1
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[21:01] <Viper7> even 84 / A4
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[21:13] <maxped> how can i determine what bootloader i have. google has not been much help
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[21:14] <kaste> what distro are you using?
[21:14] <kaste> are you sure you even have one
[21:14] <chupacabra> lol
[21:14] <kaste> :)
[21:14] <maxped> kaste: arch, from raspberrypi.org
[21:15] <mgottschlag> you have the normal raspberrypi "bootloader" (or firmware)
[21:15] <maxped> so how can i set kernel parameters?
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[21:16] <kaste> cmdline.txt in the boot partition
[21:17] <maxped> kaste: thanks. i must have been waaaay down the wrong track if looking for something not there. maybe one day i will learn. thanks again.
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[21:27] <gordonDrogon> another bug in wiringPi v2. Sometimes wish I'd never added in the physical pin numbering scheme... ho hum!
[21:27] <gordonDrogon> time for tv I think.
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[22:13] <useless-eater> I want to be able to pull the plug on my raspberry without killing filesystem. its ext3 and journals, so not the worst.. but still... would it be a good idea to remount,ro a while after startup or something?
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[22:14] <useless-eater> using it as an headless mpd and abcde server.
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[22:41] <Tonelock> ok, I'm thinking of buying a raspberry pi
[22:42] <Tonelock> I guess the model with 512Mb of ram is the only gig in town these days
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[22:43] <Tonelock> I mean, unless you don't need the extra 256Mb , there is no reason to go for the 256Mb pi
[22:43] <Tonelock> what is the story if you get a raspberry pi that is faulty, is there any warranty?
[22:44] <seba-> yes there is
[22:44] <Tonelock> how log is it?
[22:44] <Tonelock> *long
[22:44] <seba-> i don't know
[22:44] <Tonelock> ah,ok
[22:44] <Tonelock> I guess the seller
[22:44] <seba-> :)
[22:44] <Tonelock> is obligated under law to refund
[22:44] <Tonelock> within the time period
[22:44] <seba-> Tonelock yes, 2 years in EU
[22:45] <seba-> minimal
[22:45] <Tonelock> applied by law
[22:45] <Tonelock> wow, you would have fun making them live up to that!
[22:46] <Tonelock> but anyway, all rpi's come with hdmi
[22:46] <Tonelock> I only have vga and component:(
[22:46] <seba-> i don't use the output
[22:46] <seba-> i just ssh into it
[22:46] <seba-> hm
[22:46] <Tonelock> just SSH?
[22:47] <Tonelock> yeah
[22:47] <seba-> yes
[22:47] <Tonelock> hmm
[22:47] <seba-> i don't have any monitor
[22:47] <seba-> or tv
[22:47] <seba-> lol
[22:47] <Tonelock> I already have a beaglebone
[22:47] <Tonelock> one of the nice attractions of the pi
[22:47] <Tonelock> is a display
[22:48] <Tonelock> I would most likely use a TV
[22:48] <seba-> Tonelock, if you ever get SD card corruption, msg me
[22:48] <Tonelock> ah ok, on the pi or beaglebone?
[22:49] <Tonelock> what class of SD card did you buy seba?
[22:49] <seba-> Tonelock, various
[22:50] <Tonelock> I mean, does the class make much difference?
[22:50] <Tonelock> I already have some 2GB micro SD cards
[22:50] <seba-> Tonelock, i guess, but for 4 GB they are almost all the same
[22:50] <seba-> you need full SD cards
[22:50] <seba-> or an adapter
[22:50] <seba-> hm
[22:50] <Tonelock> I could use with an adapter
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[22:51] <Tonelock> but they are fakes i would imagine
[22:51] <Tonelock> with unknown class
[22:51] <seba-> Tonelock, well my R.Pi actually physically corrupted my SD cards :/ but i think i've fixed it now
[22:51] <Tonelock> i bought a 2GB SD card in Germany, reputable
[22:51] * satellit_e I thought RPi did not work with an adapter and microSDHC
[22:51] <Tonelock> and used it as a memory stick, for daily college work
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[22:51] <seba-> satellit_e, it works
[22:51] <Tonelock> it had a fault in 2 years
[22:52] <satellit_e> interesting....
[22:52] <Tonelock> it's locked, won't allow me to write to it
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[22:52] <Tonelock> or delete
[22:52] <seba-> i think the 3.3 V rail on raspberry pi has not enough capacitors
[22:52] <Litecoin> i use an IDE drive with my Rasp Berrie Pie
[22:52] <satellit_e> USB external HD?
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[22:53] <seba-> i've added a capacitor on the 3.3 V rail + switched to a computer PSU
[22:53] <seba-> with direct power on GPIO pins
[22:53] <seba-> and now i have no problems
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[22:54] <Tonelock> Litecoin - interesting, use a IDE>SD adapter?
[22:54] <deceptor> or you boot via nfs and don't care about sd card corruption
[22:55] * satellit_e I think my i7 linux laptops USB2/3 ports heat up the SD cards and destroy them when using dd has anyone seen this?
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[22:55] <dennistlg> satellit_e pi works with micro sdhc and adapter
[22:56] <dennistlg> http://snakefreak.pytalhost.de/GEDC1128.JPG
[22:56] <seba-> deceptor, point is that there shouldn't be any SD card corruption
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[22:56] <dennistlg> 8gb micro in adapter
[22:57] <deceptor> seba-, yes of course not
[22:57] <Tonelock> I wonder also, is it possible to get the CPU+GPU on a pi board
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[22:57] <satellit_e> regular USB2 port works fine. without failures (laptop has both)
[22:57] <Tonelock> and allow you to solder on your own enhancements
[22:57] <deceptor> I was just to lazy to solve the problem :P
[22:58] <seba-> deceptor, on R.Pi channel/forum i've mainly seen people which are like a) "There is no SD corruption, you are faulty" b) I have corruption but i format every day, c) I boot just from SD card, then use USB or something else
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[22:59] <deceptor> I only got fs corruptions so far
[22:59] <seba-> deceptor, there are practically no-one admitting this is an issue which many people have and/or trying to find a solution which fixes the original problem
[22:59] <deceptor> the card itself is still fine, but I was tired formatting/repairing it every day
[22:59] <seba-> deceptor, how do you know it's fine?
[23:00] <dennistlg> my micro sdhc is 3years old used the card 1,5years in a phone chroot ubuntu to get a few utilities. 24/7 use
[23:00] * satellit_e I use a powered 4 way USB hub for keyboard and mouse...less strain on RPi voltage
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[23:00] <deceptor> seba-, I can still read from and write to it
[23:01] <seba-> deceptor, that's irrelevant
[23:01] <seba-> deceptor, you must test write+read+verify, it fails at verify
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[23:02] <deceptor> ok
[23:02] <deceptor> I might do that tomorrow
[23:03] <deceptor> at least it boots from the card ;)
[23:03] <mgottschlag> Tonelock: certainly possible, you just have to buy 10k of them
[23:04] <seba-> deceptor, yes, if you have linux badblocks -w or windows flash drive tester
[23:05] <seba-> deceptor, if you do have errors, you can try to correct them with a few low level formats with the sd card formatter tool from sdcard.org
[23:05] <seba-> deceptor, but it doesn't correct every block, at least it didn't correct for me
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[23:06] <seba-> deceptor, anyway you can take a nice female header, solder on a 470 uF capacitor and put it on the GPIO 3.3V and GND
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[23:07] <deceptor> seba-, so you think this is due to a bad supply?
[23:08] <seba-> deceptor, i'm not sure, i don't want to destroy any new SD cards, but i think the raspberry pi has a possibly faulty design
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[23:08] <seba-> deceptor, basically it has around 60 uF capacitors on the 3.3V rail
[23:08] <seba-> even thou it powers practically everything from it
[23:08] <seba-> and it's like 500 mA+
[23:09] <seba-> deceptor, i don't know what helped, switching the whole power supply or the capacitor, i've applied both at once :)
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[23:13] <mattwj2002> hi guys
[23:13] <mattwj2002> :D
[23:13] <mattwj2002> I am installing raspbmc
[23:13] <mattwj2002> :)
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[23:18] <dennistlg> 500ma+?
[23:18] <mattwj2002> are you talking about me dennistlg?
[23:18] <mattwj2002> I am currently using 2 A
[23:18] <mattwj2002> 2.1 maybe
[23:18] <dennistlg> no mattwj2002
[23:19] <mattwj2002> oh okay
[23:19] <seba-> dennistlg, yes, just the SD card eats 200 mA
[23:19] <dennistlg> never seba
[23:19] <seba-> dennistlg, how never, it's in the specs
[23:19] <dennistlg> i have messured the power of the pi
[23:19] <dennistlg> wait a secound
[23:19] <seba-> dennistlg, not 5V, 200 mA @ 3.3 V
[23:19] <dennistlg> wait a secound
[23:20] <seba-> yes?
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[23:24] <dennistlg> http://snakefreak.pytalhost.de/GEDC1126-800x800.jpg
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[23:25] <dennistlg> 460mA @ 6,6v
[23:25] <dennistlg> step down to 5v
[23:25] <mattwj2002> dennistlg: what is the usb device?
[23:25] <dennistlg> and a runing 2,5 hdd + pi
[23:25] <mattwj2002> or maybe I should be more accurate
[23:26] <mattwj2002> what is the other board
[23:26] <dennistlg> usb to sata bridge (from an external hitachi drive)
[23:26] <mattwj2002> ?
[23:26] <mattwj2002> oh okay cool
[23:26] <dennistlg> it had a step down circuit onboard that provides 5v
[23:26] <mattwj2002> is that hooked up to batteries?
[23:27] <dennistlg> the input is between 6v and 20v
[23:27] <dennistlg> yes its powered from the LiPo cells
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[23:27] <mattwj2002> LiPo?
[23:28] <dennistlg> Lithium Polymer
[23:28] <mattwj2002> never heard of them
[23:28] <mattwj2002> interesting
[23:28] <mattwj2002> I have heard of lithium ion of course
[23:28] <seba-> 3 W => 900 mA @ 3.3 V
[23:28] <dennistlg> its smiliar
[23:28] <mattwj2002> okay cool
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[23:31] <dennistlg> seba there are a hdd in the circuit
[23:31] <dennistlg> and the step down from 5 to 3v3
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