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IRC Log for 2013-04-09

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[0:16] <anonjon> i thiink my hdmi port is fried. i have tried different cables, power supplies, monitors... dont knowwhat else to check. any ideas on troubleshooting?
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[0:17] <Xunie> anonjon, use a fresh Raspbian install?
[0:18] <troulouliou_dev> anonjon, working on ssh ?
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[0:18] <anonjon> Xunie: i was using arch, everything workeed for a few days, then the screen would flicker for a split sec, now nothing
[0:18] <anonjon> troulouliou_dev: yes, right now ssh through same device with issue
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[0:19] <troulouliou_dev> anonjon, just a 1 cent advice but i had lots of problem with one of my pi and i change the alimentation
[0:19] <troulouliou_dev> and it works perfectly now
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[0:20] <anonjon> troulouliou_dev: alimentation?
[0:20] <anonjon> guess i can google...
[0:21] <seba-> troulouliou_dev, what sorts of problems did you have
[0:21] <troulouliou_dev> seba-, startup problems ; led where blinking but nothing on hdmi /internet
[0:22] <Xunie> Speaking of problems. My Pi seems to crash whenever I conncet or disconnect something (ethernet or usb...)
[0:22] <seba-> i see
[0:22] <Xunie> s/conncet/connect/g
[0:22] <seba-> Xunie, what's your power supply
[0:22] <troulouliou_dev> anonjon, power supply sorry :)
[0:22] <Xunie> Something I got from RS Online, let me look it up.
[0:23] <seba-> Xunie, what's the voltage between TP1 and TP2
[0:23] <Xunie> Dunno, can't check at the moment.
[0:23] <anonjon> troulouliou_dev: french? thats all that came back on google. lol
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[0:23] <seba-> troulouliou_dev, i've change the power supply + added a capacitor on the 3.3V rail
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[0:23] <seba-> yes alimentation is probably from french
[0:23] <troulouliou_dev> seba-, yep
[0:24] <troulouliou_dev> anonjon, yes too :)
[0:24] <seba-> troulouliou_dev, i've had SD card corruption :(
[0:24] <Xunie> 5V 1.2A european power supply. (link: http://raspberrypi.rsdelivers.com/product/rs/hnp06-microusb/micro-usb-euro-power-supply-for-raspberry-pi/7263053.aspx )
[0:24] <anonjon> well i have tried two power supplies that say they put out 1v. maybe third time a charm....
[0:25] <seba-> Xunie, try puting a capacitor on the 3.3V line, but it could be also that you have too much drop on the usb cable
[0:25] <seba-> anonjon ?
[0:26] <troulouliou_dev> anonjon, you can maybe try a sd card reinstallation ?
[0:26] <troulouliou_dev> who knows :)
[0:26] <anonjon> seba-: not sure your refrence '?'
[0:26] <Xunie> To be honest? The RPi should have a capacitor for that... >_>
[0:26] <seba-> anonjon, does ssh work?
[0:26] <anonjon> troulouliou_dev: that would probably next course, just curious if there was a way to test hdmi port...
[0:27] <seba-> Xunie, yes, it lacks capacitors imo
[0:27] <anonjon> seba-: yes, ssh right now
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[0:27] <seba-> Xunie, the 3.3 V rail has like around 60 uF but almost everything runs from it and it eats like 500 mA
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[0:28] <seba-> Xunie, i've put a 470 uF capacitor on, soldered to a female header, so you don't have to solder anything to your pi
[0:28] <seba-> so you don't void warranty :)
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[0:29] <mattwj2002> hi guys
[0:29] <mattwj2002> I have a question
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[0:29] <mattwj2002> will there ever be a rev C with better specs?
[0:30] <Xunie> Pretty sure there will be.
[0:31] <Xunie> Then again, I'm a guy on IRC...
[0:31] <seba-> of course you are a guy
[0:31] <seba-> there are not females on IRC
[0:31] <seba-> *no
[0:31] <mattwj2002> :P
[0:31] * mattwj2002 is female
[0:32] <mattwj2002> matt is a woman's name after al
[0:32] <mattwj2002> :P
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[0:32] <mattwj2002> just kidding haha
[0:32] <seba-> males are males, females are males, children are FBI agents
[0:32] <seba-> we all know that
[0:32] <mattwj2002> indeed
[0:33] * azeam is now known as azeam_afk
[0:33] <Xunie> seba-, and everyone is a troll.
[0:33] <seba-> Xunie, anyway, put a capacitor on
[0:33] * mattwj2002 sits under a bridge and laughts
[0:33] <mattwj2002> *laughs
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[0:34] * mattwj2002 puts a cap in Xunie's behind
[0:34] <Xunie> I can't, man! My RPi is in someone else's bedroom and they're sleeping. Besides: I'm not swapping around hardware right now...
[0:34] <Xunie> mattwj2002, I hope you do realize that I have a phallus and mantits?
[0:34] <mattwj2002> O.o
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[0:37] <mattwj2002> Xunie: so why do you need a cap anyways?
[0:37] <mattwj2002> in all seriousness
[0:38] <Xunie> Because my RPi crashes whenever I connect or disconnect a USB device or an ethernet cable.
[0:38] <mattwj2002> :(
[0:38] <mattwj2002> I am sorry my friend
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[0:41] <chithead> this means you need a better power supply
[0:41] <mattwj2002> chithead: that makes sense
[0:41] <mattwj2002> what type of power supply are you using Xunie?
[0:41] <Xunie> 5V 1.2A european power supply. (link: http://raspberrypi.rsdelivers.com/product/rs/hnp06-microusb/micro-usb-euro-power-supply-for-raspberry-pi/7263053.aspx )
[0:42] <mattwj2002> I have a 2.1 A usb charger
[0:42] <mattwj2002> 1.2 or 2.1?
[0:42] <Xunie> 1.2
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[0:42] <mattwj2002> are you overclocking at all?
[0:42] <Xunie> I'll homebrew a capacitor on, man.
[0:42] <Xunie> NO.
[0:42] <Xunie> No*
[0:42] <mattwj2002> ok
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[0:43] * mattwj2002 is watching hdtv on my pi right now
[0:43] <mattwj2002> :D
[0:43] <peeps[work]> any recommendations for a distro or particular setup for a shared computer to be used mostly for web browsing?
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[0:45] <seba-> Xunie, i've put it on the GPIO
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[0:46] <seba-> mattwj2002, i think the raspberry pi hasn't got enough capacitors
[0:47] <Tachyon`> it needs a flux capacitor so I can send it to myself in 1983 and make a fortune
[0:47] <mattwj2002> okay cool seba-
[0:48] <mattwj2002> or 1969
[0:48] <mattwj2002> 1969 your pi could help get man on the moon
[0:48] <mattwj2002> :P
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[0:48] <Tachyon`> ah, but I wasn't alive then
[0:48] <seba-> mattwj2002, i've switched the power supply + added the capacitor and i don't have problems anymore, but i don't know what helped
[0:48] <mattwj2002> nice Seba
[0:49] <mattwj2002> no offense to the community but
[0:49] <mattwj2002> why would anyone buy an A model?
[0:49] <Tachyon`> lower power consumption
[0:49] <Tachyon`> cheaper
[0:49] <Tachyon`> not everyone needs ethernet, particularly in embedded applications
[0:49] <mattwj2002> yeah but the specs are so crappy compared to the b
[0:49] <mattwj2002> I guess
[0:49] <mattwj2002> :)
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[0:50] <mattwj2002> I am using my pi as a video frontend :P
[0:50] <ShadowJK> I have a feeling lots of powersupplies labeled as "5V/1A" barely manage .5A before voltage starts dropping.. :/
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[0:50] <Tachyon`> oddly one of mine is doing full time duty with XBMC now, it's already paid for itself several times in reduced power consumption due to the lack of a PC media box
[0:51] <mattwj2002> Tachyon`: what distro?
[0:51] <Tachyon`> raspbmc
[0:51] <chithead> according to usb spec, they are allowed to drop to 4.75V. but the raspberry pi is less forgiving than the usb spec
[0:51] <mattwj2002> ah
[0:51] <mattwj2002> I use to use that
[0:51] <mattwj2002> I am openelec
[0:51] <Tachyon`> it;s improved lately
[0:51] <Tachyon`> it no longer has the dark screen issue after n videos
[0:51] <mattwj2002> oh okay
[0:51] <mattwj2002> openelec is working well
[0:51] <Tachyon`> although they did cock up samba in the latest update, had to fix it manually
[0:51] <mattwj2002> I have mine paired with a mythtv backend
[0:51] <mattwj2002> ;)
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[0:52] <mattwj2002> the backend is on a regular computer though
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[1:02] <mattwj2002> oh my goodness
[1:03] <mattwj2002> overclocking is awesome
[1:03] <mattwj2002> an 100 Mhz makes all the difference in the world
[1:03] <mattwj2002> *an additional 100Mhz
[1:04] <ShadowJK> my rPi seems to function on 4.75V (as measured on TP)
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[1:17] <tebruno99> mattwj2002 its like remembering the good old days when you could actually feel that upgrade from 200mhz to 233mhz
[1:18] <mattwj2002> indeed :)
[1:18] <ring0> mattwj2002, from 700 to 800?
[1:18] <mattwj2002> my hd is sooo much smoother
[1:18] <mattwj2002> yes
[1:18] <tebruno99> i decided to go up to 900mhz this time
[1:18] <ring0> have you measured the temperature difference?
[1:19] <mattwj2002> I have not
[1:19] <tebruno99> it is a bit warmer
[1:19] <dansan> Hey guys, I'm having a little trouble with part of my project due to a lack of knowledge of stepper motors :(
[1:20] <mattwj2002> yeah but it isn't bad
[1:20] <ring0> tebruno99, a bit meaning no need for an extra cooling device?
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[1:20] <tebruno99> ring0 i haven't measured but i havesn't seen any stability issues during code compiles
[1:21] <ring0> i see
[1:21] <tebruno99> its just warm
[1:21] <dansan> I was planning on using this cute ST dSPIN L6470 to drive my steppers I got as new surplus, they were a special make by Hurst motors, but are most similar to their 3206-011 motors (datasheet here: http://www.hurst-motors.com/documents/PAS_PBS_Step_Geared.pdf). However, these are bipolar steppers with a center tap and the dSPIN only has 4 outputs. Is this wasting half of the innate precision of my motors?
[1:22] <mattwj2002> anyone have their pi running really fast?
[1:22] <mattwj2002> 800 Mhz is fine for me
[1:22] <mattwj2002> just curious
[1:22] <mattwj2002> I can watch Revolution on it now!
[1:22] <mattwj2002> :D
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[1:23] <ring0> was it like adjusting some values in /proc/?
[1:23] <tebruno99> its not warm enough to even make you say ouch
[1:23] <tebruno99> its warm like.. sitting with your hands between your legs for a bit
[1:23] <mattwj2002> O.o
[1:24] <dansan> wow! these are $137 motors I got for $9 each! :)
[1:24] <tebruno99> i guess I could just go measure lol
[1:24] <tebruno99> one sec
[1:26] <tebruno99> ok ambient is 23.7C
[1:26] <mattwj2002> real temps please
[1:26] <mattwj2002> F
[1:26] <mattwj2002> :P
[1:27] <dansan> Doesn't the broadcom chip have a temperature sensor on it?
[1:27] <dansan> or does it?
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[1:27] <mattwj2002> 81.14 F
[1:27] <mattwj2002> ;)
[1:27] <tebruno99> dansan i didnt look lol
[1:27] <[Saint]> mattwj2002: does 1.25GHz count as "fast" ;)
[1:27] <[Saint]> If so, then, yes...count me in.
[1:27] <mattwj2002> O.o
[1:27] <mattwj2002> oh my
[1:27] <ring0> ??C is fine. correct si unit ;)
[1:27] <dansan> oh, nevermind, it doesn't look like it does
[1:27] <mattwj2002> yeah I know
[1:28] <mattwj2002> just messing
[1:28] <[Saint]> stay away from 1.3GHz+, though.
[1:28] <mattwj2002> I am one of those dang Americans
[1:28] <[Saint]> that's Pi-popping territory.
[1:28] <dansan> impressive [Saint]
[1:28] <tebruno99> 900mhz at 40.4C
[1:28] <mattwj2002> [Saint]: what are you using for power?
[1:28] <[Saint]> an iPad wall-wart.
[1:28] <dansan> lol!
[1:28] <[Saint]> 5V/2A
[1:28] <mattwj2002> O.o
[1:28] <mattwj2002> I should it used way more power than that
[1:28] <dansan> I'm going to put together one of those KIS2R33 jobbies
[1:29] <mattwj2002> at that speed
[1:29] <[Saint]> nah.
[1:29] <mattwj2002> any thing for cooling?
[1:29] <[Saint]> Oh, yes, definitely. Two 40mm fans and a heat-pipe cooler.
[1:29] <dansan> err, I meant "KIS3R33"
[1:29] <dansan> or KIS3R33S, either one
[1:29] <tebruno99> the 2nd chip is running at 42.7C
[1:30] <[Saint]> At that clock, it takes a matter of minutes to reach 85C and turn off the OC.
[1:30] <[Saint]> I also lowered the minimum clock, so it scales dynamically from 200MHz to 1.2GHz
[1:31] <[Saint]> but I have to force turbo during boot, as it really doesn't like booting at such a low clock.
[1:31] <mattwj2002> I am seriously thinking about buying a few more pis
[1:31] <mattwj2002> one for each tv
[1:31] <mattwj2002> :D
[1:32] <[Saint]> I would expect almost any unit to be able to do 1.15GHz stable.
[1:32] <[Saint]> just gotta watch the clocks and voltages properly.
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[1:33] <ring0> [Saint], is there some wiki on that?
[1:33] <ring0> tebruno99, thanks for the temps :)
[1:34] <tebruno99> ah here maybe: /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd measure_temp
[1:34] <tebruno99> much more accurate
[1:34] <tebruno99> cool
[1:34] <tebruno99> temp=49.2'C
[1:34] <ring0> for the cpu?
[1:35] <tebruno99> i set it to 700mhz
[1:35] <tebruno99> shut it off let it cool below 40
[1:35] <tebruno99> then booted
[1:35] <tebruno99> ring0 i believe thats cpu temp yeah
[1:35] <[Saint]> there's no reason to let it cool.
[1:35] <[Saint]> 40C is well within the operating temperature.
[1:35] <tebruno99> [Saint] i had it at 900mhz
[1:35] <[Saint]> its rated to 90C
[1:35] <tebruno99> i wanted it to cool below what it could be at 700
[1:35] <mattwj2002> 104 F ;)
[1:35] <tebruno99> that way i could measure 700mhz
[1:35] <ring0> [Saint], do you the operating temperature range?
[1:36] <[Saint]> wanna try a prper sentence there chief?
[1:36] <[Saint]> *proper
[1:36] <ring0> ;)
[1:37] <ring0> you already mentioned it's rated to 90C. i overlooked that
[1:37] <[Saint]> its rated to -40/90C iirc.
[1:37] <tebruno99> ok, at 700mhz even under load its sitting at 48.7
[1:37] <[Saint]> your ambient temp must be high?
[1:37] <[Saint]> that's quite excesive.
[1:37] <tebruno99> 81 yeah
[1:37] <[Saint]> real temps please ;)
[1:38] <tebruno99> 23.7C
[1:38] <[Saint]> Ah.
[1:38] <[Saint]> Hmmmmm...
[1:38] <tebruno99> i can't get it much cooler without the A/C freezing up
[1:38] <tebruno99> its not warm enough outside
[1:38] <[Saint]> Ambient temp here is 22C, and under no load at all on a default clock my Pis never cross 40C
[1:39] <[Saint]> weird yours is pushing 50
[1:39] <tebruno99> outside or internal temp?
[1:39] <tebruno99> outside i'm getting 41.2
[1:39] <tebruno99> but the sensor is saying 48.7
[1:39] <[Saint]> well, the temp outside doesn't matter. I'm not outside ;)
[1:39] <tebruno99> outside of the chip
[1:40] <tebruno99> how are you measuring?
[1:41] <[Saint]> just with a laser thermometer and the XFCE temp widget.
[1:41] <tebruno99> ok thats outside temp
[1:41] <tebruno99> do: /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd measure_temp
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[1:41] <[Saint]> widget says 40C, core temp is apparently 42.2
[1:42] <ring0> at 700mhz?
[1:43] <[Saint]> Yup.
[1:43] <tebruno99> mine is still sayin 48.7 idle
[1:43] <ring0> :)
[1:43] <mattwj2002> mine is at 54.6 C
[1:43] <mattwj2002> O.o
[1:43] <tebruno99> load or idle doesn't really move it
[1:43] <tebruno99> let me go back to 900mhz
[1:43] <[Saint]> I can assure you temps get *much* higher at 1.1GHz+
[1:43] <tebruno99> [Saint] i'm sure they do
[1:44] <[Saint]> I smoked one Pi out on one of my first attempts to get to 1.4GHz
[1:44] <[Saint]> For some reason, that's the goal I've set myself.
[1:44] <[Saint]> a 2X OC, stable.
[1:44] <tebruno99> you can also melt a desktop cpu the same way ;)
[1:44] <tebruno99> though a slightly more expensive goal
[1:44] <[Saint]> The annoying thing is that I'm *so* close....
[1:44] <mattwj2002> I just wanted to HD stable
[1:45] <[Saint]> I haven't seen much people playing around near 1.3GHZ.
[1:45] <mattwj2002> did that so I am happy
[1:45] <[Saint]> it seems only a few units can actually do it.
[1:45] <tebruno99> 900mhz 48.7 idle
[1:45] <tebruno99> didn't move
[1:45] <[Saint]> units wil Hynix RAM chips don't seem to handle high clocks nearly as well as the Samsung ones.
[1:45] <[Saint]> s/wil/with/
[1:46] <[Saint]> Anyway, when/if I ever reach my goal - I can assure you I will be very vocal about it here :)
[1:47] <tebruno99> a lot of that depends on the batch as well
[1:47] <[Saint]> I am trying to do it only with active cooling via fan(s)/heat sync.
[1:47] <tebruno99> all chips are underclocked to be sold
[1:47] <[Saint]> No funny business with compressed gasses et al.
[1:47] <ring0> tebruno99, maybe there's another way to read out the integrated sensors
[1:47] <[Saint]> I'm sure I could get much higher than 1.4GHz with a little bit of nitrogen and some paper towel rolls.
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[1:47] <[Saint]> ...but, that's cheating.
[1:48] <tebruno99> ring0?
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[1:49] <ring0> tebruno99, i'm still investigating on how to do it :)
[1:49] <mattwj2002> if I get a couple more raspberry pis
[1:49] <tebruno99> I stated already /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd measure_temp
[1:49] <mattwj2002> I'll have pvr access on every tv
[1:49] <mattwj2002> :)
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[1:50] <tebruno99> ring0 just give this a run /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd measure_temp it'll tell you the core temp
[1:50] <tebruno99> if you're using a custom image.. i dunno
[1:51] <ring0> tebruno99, yes, i read that. but i'm searching for a different approach
[1:51] <tebruno99> SoC can be a little strange
[1:51] <tebruno99> ring0 well it makes a call to some sort of interface
[1:51] <tebruno99> nothing that lm-sensors knows though
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[1:51] <tebruno99> i've not looked at the kernel dev or modules yet
[1:51] <ring0> good old lm-sensors ;)
[1:52] <beet0l> hey folks, i've been building a polargraph with my pi, but i've gotten to the point in which it's become hard and annoying to source parts
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[1:53] <Voziv> I got a pi over the weekend. Upon measuring the 3.3v pin to gnd on the gpio, I'm only getting 1.9v. Does anyone know if this is normal?
[1:53] <beet0l> the following sites has a lot of templates to create them, but i would rather buy them: https://code.google.com/p/polargraph/downloads/list
[1:53] <beet0l> i just don't have the time to build all the parts and would rather focus on the programming
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[1:53] <beet0l> any advice?
[1:53] <plugwash> Voziv, no it's not normal
[1:53] <plugwash> what is the voltage between the 5V pin and ground?
[1:53] <[Saint]> Voziv: no, that's very not normal.
[1:53] <Tachyon`> fi you're only getting 1.9 I'd suggest you're not measuring the 3.3 line if it's working
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[1:53] <[Saint]> your PSU is apparently rubbish.
[1:54] <tebruno99> ring0 mattwj2002 I'm running a hard compile and it went to 53.0C i can't seem to get it hotter than that
[1:54] <[Saint]> or, you're measuring incorrectly - but, I'm not sure where you'd be getting 1.9V from...
[1:54] <ring0> tebruno99, at 900mhz?
[1:54] <plugwash> also it may sound silly but check your multimeter. I've never personally seen one under-read voltage but that doesn't mean it can't happen
[1:54] <Voziv> plugwash, I'm getting 4.9v on the 5V
[1:54] <[Saint]> so, I'm sliding towards rubbish PSU
[1:54] <mattwj2002> nice tebruno99
[1:54] <Tachyon`> Voziv: Is the pi actually working?
[1:54] <Voziv> yes it is
[1:55] <tebruno99> wait, i saw 54.0 for like a second and it went back down to 53
[1:55] <tebruno99> ring0 yeah at 900
[1:55] <Tachyon`> well, it wouldn't be if 3.3 was at 1.9
[1:55] <Tachyon`> so something else must be up
[1:55] * [Saint] nods
[1:55] <cyclick> !l2
[1:55] <mattwj2002> tebruno99: are you pushing the gpu though?
[1:55] <mattwj2002> that should cause a little hit
[1:55] <mattwj2002> *heat
[1:56] <tebruno99> ah right
[1:56] <tebruno99> i forgot it had its own portion of the die
[1:56] <tebruno99> lets see what I can do about that
[1:58] <tebruno99> mattwj2002 mayve another time
[1:58] <tebruno99> thats a bit out of my use case atm
[1:59] <tebruno99> I'm happy with knowing that even a heavily loaded apache server can't take it past 53
[1:59] <tebruno99> so i might run it up a little bit more to 950mhz
[2:00] <ring0> :)
[2:02] <Voziv> Tachyon`, touche. Stupidly I never thought to measure the pins themselves versus the pi cobbler. Hopefully I haven't damaged anything so far
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[2:13] <chupacabra> installing drupal
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[2:59] <[Saint]> Heh - Ms [Saint] has decided she wants to steal Mooncake
[2:59] <[Saint]> She (and I) think shes gorgeous.
[3:00] <[Saint]> http://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/mooncakehelpsout-300x225.jpg for the uneducated/curious
[3:04] <SpeedEvil> http://youtube.com/watch?v=bkeVjkUKwF4
[3:05] <SpeedEvil> this is not on topic
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[3:08] * [Saint] just overdosed on cute
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[3:17] <dansan> SpeedEvil: cuuuute!!!!!!!!!!
[3:17] <[Saint]> Indeed. Very.
[3:18] <SpeedEvil> :-)
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[3:24] <xrosnight> hello is there anyone who knows WHAT TO DO if my two keyboards are not working with raspberrypi??
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[3:25] <Datalink> xrosnight, what model keyboard?
[3:27] <xrosnight> Datalink: http://www.logitech.com/en-in/product/Wireless-Combo-MK240 this one. and another generic one which has 104 keys
[3:27] <[Saint]> Can you further define "are not working" please?
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[3:28] <[Saint]> Does it not work at all? Does it work partially? Is the keymap wrong? Does it repeat/ignore key presses?
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[3:28] <xrosnight> [Saint]: can not type anything there.
[3:29] <Datalink> so not working at all, okay
[3:29] <Datalink> and they work in other computers, correct?
[3:29] <xrosnight> [Saint]: yup. they do work . i am using it on linuxmint.
[3:29] <[Saint]> Wireless keyboards not working in raspbian is a well known issue, unfortunately.
[3:30] <[Saint]> Unless you get one that is in the approved peripherals list, it is pretty much hit or miss.
[3:30] <[Saint]> The most common symptom for wireless keyboards is missed/repeated keypresses.
[3:30] <xrosnight> [Saint]: that's bad... i only have two keyboards. one's the mk240 wireless one. another is the generic one which doesn't work on pi.
[3:30] <[Saint]> The second, complete failure.
[3:31] <xrosnight> is the SSHD started by default ?
[3:31] <[Saint]> Yes.
[3:31] <xrosnight> I mean on Raspbian
[3:31] <[Saint]> well...on newer raspbian images it is.
[3:31] <[Saint]> No idea for others.
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[3:32] <xrosnight> but i can't see the Pi is in the router's client list
[3:32] <[Saint]> xrosnight: your second keyboard, I assume it is wireless also?
[3:32] <xrosnight> is dhcpclient started by default? Yeah, it's a wireless one
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[3:33] <lkthomas> hey guys, does bash be able to drive parallel LCD display ?
[3:33] <[Saint]> Hummmm - well, it looks as though you'll need to either: A - get a wireless keyboard on the approved peripherals list, or B - source a wired keyboard
[3:34] <[Saint]> lkthomas: Errrrr....what? That makes absolutely no sense.
[3:34] <xrosnight> lkthomas: google GPIO on raspberryPi you will find the answer
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[3:34] <debenham> you might get away with trying a powered usb hub (the reason some wireless keyboards fail is that the pi can't provide enough power)
[3:34] <[Saint]> xrosnight: on the underside of the keyboard(s), what is the rated consumption?
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[3:35] <debenham> lkthomas: It could - but I'm not aware of any pre-made hookups and drivers for that.
[3:35] <debenham> You'd probably find things easier if you go for a serial lcd
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[3:35] <lkthomas> debenham: errr
[3:35] <lkthomas> debenham: I think I could use python at this moment, but I know nothing about python :P
[3:35] <xrosnight> debenham: the wireless keyboard only need to be guaranteed to have 5V 50mA
[3:37] <[Saint]> Heh - just got an email from a friend that frequents the same hackerspace as I. He has completed a 4 port, configurable, USB coffee cup rig.
[3:37] <debenham> From http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals "As a consequence the USB ports are only directly suitable for "single current unit" USB devices which, according to USB specifications, are designed to work with just 4.4 Volt"
[3:37] <[Saint]> Each cup has its own configurable temperature control. :)
[3:37] <bin_bash> hey guys
[3:37] <fr0g911> heya bin
[3:38] <debenham> lkthomas: check out learn.adafruit.com/downloads/pdf/drive-a-16x2-lcd-directly-with-a-raspberry-pi.pdf
[3:38] <debenham> (first link when googling for "parallel lcd raspberry pi")
[3:38] <lkthomas> debenham: I am using that guide now
[3:38] <bin_bash> So, the day before yesterday it was suggested I run an fsck on my sdcard to check the filesystem to see if there are any errors
[3:38] <fr0g911> whats a good cheap lcd screen for the pi that i can use in the car
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[3:38] <bin_bash> I just ran an fsck and everything checks out as clean.
[3:38] <lkthomas> debenham: again, my question is about bash, not python :P
[3:38] <bin_bash> Is there anything else I should run to check it?
[3:38] <seba-> bin_bash, you can't check a SD card without deleting everything on it
[3:39] <[Saint]> fr0g911: check eBay-esque sites for reverse/backup in-car display units.
[3:39] <[Saint]> they're awfully cheap.
[3:39] <bin_bash> seba-, lolway
[3:39] <bin_bash> wat*
[3:39] <seba-> bin_bash, what are you trying to achieve?
[3:39] <bin_bash> seba-, check the active filesystem
[3:39] <fr0g911> eBay-esque ?
[3:39] <debenham> lkthomas: short answer - not directly - bash doesn't have the pace needed
[3:39] <[Saint]> seba-: that statement is ridiculously incorrect
[3:39] <Tachyon`> fr0g911: beware 320x240 displays on ebay being sold as 640x480, I got burned by those
[3:39] <debenham> longer answer - you could use the python stuff from that guide to handle the actual display and let bash talk to it to display what you want
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[3:39] <seba-> bin_bash, sudo touch /forcefsck ?
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[3:39] <lkthomas> debenham: ok
[3:40] <seba-> [Saint], lol
[3:40] <bin_bash> wut
[3:40] <bin_bash> seba-, wtf are you talking about
[3:40] <[Saint]> Imaginary things, apparently
[3:40] <debenham> ie: write a small python script that listens on a socket for text to show - then you could use nc to talk to the python script from bash
[3:40] <[Saint]> Inventing things that aren't real and touting them as fact. Good job.
[3:41] <seba-> whatever
[3:41] <fr0g911> im looking Tachyon`
[3:41] <bin_bash> seba-, do you know what touch does, or are you just saying things to look cool?
[3:41] <seba-> bin_bash, yes?
[3:42] <bin_bash> then why would you suggest that
[3:42] <xrosnight> lkthomas: go https://github.com/xros/LED ( but you need to install gpio or gpio python wrapper first)
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[3:42] <[Saint]> seba-: Of course you can check for filesystem errors without trashing the data. You just can't check the fs of a mounted drive/partition.
[3:42] <lkthomas> not LED, LCD!
[3:42] <bin_bash> Why would you suggest I create an empty file called "forcefsck" in the root directory
[3:42] <mattwj2002> I am over clocking more!
[3:42] <seba-> bin_bash, google it
[3:42] <xrosnight> lkthomas: sorry. i was wrong :p
[3:42] <bin_bash> [Saint], yeah ut's not mounted. What else should I run besides fsck?
[3:42] <mattwj2002> sorry far only 55.x C
[3:42] <seba-> [Saint], partially
[3:43] <seba-> [Saint], you can't check really for corruption
[3:43] <mattwj2002> *55.1 C
[3:43] <seba-> [Saint], you get a positive hit only if you're "lucky"
[3:43] <mattwj2002> 900 Mhz
[3:43] <mattwj2002> :D
[3:43] <[Saint]> ....what?
[3:44] <[Saint]> Do you have any idea what you're talking about, or are you just speculating and claiming it as fact?
[3:44] <mattwj2002> 55.7 C
[3:44] <[Saint]> note: purely rhetorical
[3:44] <mattwj2002> who are you talking to [Saint]
[3:44] <mattwj2002> ?
[3:44] <seba-> mattwj2002, he's talking with me
[3:44] <mattwj2002> ok
[3:44] <[Saint]> mattwj2002: not you, don;t worry.
[3:45] <mattwj2002> good :D
[3:45] <mattwj2002> 56.2 C
[3:45] <seba-> [Saint], if a file gets corrupted fsck won't detect that
[3:45] <mattwj2002> what temp is bad?
[3:45] <mattwj2002> 70 C?
[3:45] <[Saint]> seba-: Ok...now I know you're just trolling.
[3:46] <[Saint]> Or incredibly mistaken.
[3:46] <seba-> [Saint], not really
[3:46] <seba-> fsck detects certain kinds of corruption
[3:47] * mattwj2002 fsck the US government
[3:47] <mattwj2002> :P
[3:47] <[Saint]> language
[3:47] <mattwj2002> no
[3:47] <mattwj2002> that was meant as I wrote it
[3:47] <mattwj2002> fsck fix disk
[3:47] <mattwj2002> :P
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[3:48] <mattwj2002> you know look for corrupt
[3:48] <[Saint]> I am aware. And, I'm telling you, that is against the channel rules.
[3:48] <mattwj2002> okay I am sorry
[3:48] <[Saint]> there's a specific not about it, if you care to read the channel rules
[3:48] <mattwj2002> it was just meant as joke sorry
[3:48] <mattwj2002> so anyways
[3:49] <mattwj2002> how hot is too hot?
[3:49] <mattwj2002> as far as overclocking
[3:49] <fr0g911> Tachyon` http://www.ebay.com/itm/5-TFT-LCD-Car-Rear-View-Monitor-Color-Screen-Reverse-Backup-Camera-DVD-VCD-/290882951036?pt=US_Rear_View_Monitors_Cams_Kits&hash=item43b9f9977c
[3:49] <[Saint]> bin_bash: firstly, why was it suggested that you check the filesystem in the first place? What are the symptoms that lead to you going down this path?
[3:50] <bin_bash> [Saint], basically sometimes it fails to start, and also the sound doesn't work. ShiftPlusOne thought that perhaps the filesystem was wonky because my config was setup properly, and sound SHOULD work (all drivers are installed, modules loaded)
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[3:50] <Tachyon`> no resolution mentioned so it might be 480x272
[3:50] <Tachyon`> some are 800x480
[3:51] <fr0g911> Resolution: 480H*272V
[3:51] <Tachyon`> ah right
[3:51] <fr0g911> that no good?
[3:51] <Tachyon`> the text will be hard to read
[3:51] <fr0g911> well thats no good
[3:51] <fr0g911> lol
[3:51] <Tachyon`> what do you want to use it for
[3:51] <mattwj2002> guys I am pushing 60 C
[3:51] <mattwj2002> how hot is too hot?
[3:52] <fr0g911> xbmc pretty much
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[3:52] <Tachyon`> oh, you'd probably get away with it for that
[3:52] <[Saint]> bin_bash: in the instances it fails to boot - have you taken note of how far into the boot process it actually gets? http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting#Green_LED_blinks_in_a_specific_pattern
[3:52] <Tachyon`> although I'd recommend 800x480 or better
[3:52] <Tachyon`> one sec, I'll see if I can find one reasonably priced
[3:52] <bin_bash> [Saint], no because there's no video
[3:53] <bin_bash> so I have no idea
[3:53] <fr0g911> aww thanks
[3:53] <[Saint]> mattwj2002: you don't need to worry about the temperature at all.
[3:53] <[Saint]> the SoC will protect itself
[3:53] <mattwj2002> SoC?
[3:53] <mattwj2002> sorry still kind of noob
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[3:53] <[Saint]> Any non-standard clock rates will be reset to default at 85C, and the system will shut down at 90C
[3:53] <mattwj2002> nice
[3:53] <[Saint]> System On (a) Chip
[3:53] <mattwj2002> :)
[3:54] <mattwj2002> sorry to be a pest I was just getting worried
[3:54] <[Saint]> So, basically, yeah - no need to worry about the temperature.
[3:54] <mattwj2002> sweet
[3:54] <[Saint]> the system will do the worrying for you.
[3:54] <mattwj2002> [Saint]: you are a saint among men
[3:54] <Tachyon`> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/5-inch-Security-LCD-Car-Rear-View-Mirror-Monitor-Headrest-TFT-Monitor-800x480-ge-/251195910244?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a7c716864
[3:54] <mattwj2002> :)
[3:54] * [Saint] is now known as [Sinner]
[3:55] <bin_bash> [Saint], so what do you suggest I do
[3:55] <[Sinner]> ...what about now? :)
[3:55] <mattwj2002> haha
[3:55] <bin_bash> It just shows the red light
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[3:55] <bin_bash> and that's it
[3:55] <mattwj2002> you have more fun that that [Saint] guy
[3:55] <mattwj2002> :P
[3:55] <[Saint]> Hmmmmm....that means it isn't even trying to boot.
[3:55] <[Saint]> But, you're saying that sometimes it will boot fine?
[3:56] <[Saint]> And other times, not at all?
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[3:56] <bin_bash> [Saint], yeah
[3:56] <[Saint]> ...and the filesystem is intact, for both /boot and / ?
[3:56] <[Saint]> Odd. Very, very odd.
[3:56] <Tachyon`> is the sd card made by kingston?
[3:58] <seba-> bin_bash, switch power supply
[3:58] <bin_bash> seba-, did that already
[3:58] <Tachyon`> ..
[3:58] <fr0g911> im looking its out of china
[3:58] <seba-> bin_bash, does it boot without anything connected?
[3:58] <fr0g911> heh
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[3:58] <Tachyon`> yeah, most are out of china
[3:59] <bin_bash> seba-, idk i can't see anything if nothing is connected
[3:59] <bin_bash> oh and also
[3:59] <Tachyon`> bin_bash: is the sd card made by kingston..
[3:59] <bin_bash> it doesn't output video to composite
[3:59] <seba-> bin_bash, well you don't have just the red light :P
[3:59] <bin_bash> No, Samsung
[3:59] <Tachyon`> hrm, well, you might check the casing for cracks
[3:59] <bin_bash> seba-, sometimes and sometimes not
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[3:59] <bin_bash> The casing is intact
[3:59] <Tachyon`> I've found it doesn't take much for the sd cards tofail to make proper contact
[3:59] <seba-> bin_bash, what sorts of power supplies did you try?
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[3:59] <seba-> yes also what Tachyon` said
[3:59] <bin_bash> 3 different cords in 3 different power blocks
[4:00] <fr0g911> http://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-media/product-gallery/B0045IIZKU/ref=cm_ciu_pdp_images_1?ie=UTF8&index=1
[4:00] <seba-> bin_bash, have you measured voltage ?
[4:00] <fr0g911> its smaller but i see it working good with the pi
[4:00] <Tachyon`> if you have another sd card, I'd flash an image to it and give it a try anyway, just to eliminate that
[4:00] <bin_bash> seba-, no don't have a voltage meter
[4:00] <seba-> bin_bash, for me it helped to add a capactior between 3.3V and GND, i've put a 470 uF one
[4:00] <bin_bash> Tachyon`, don't have another one
[4:00] <Tachyon`> don't go there
[4:00] <Tachyon`> that's the one I got conned on
[4:00] <Tachyon`> 320x240
[4:01] <fr0g911> really says 640
[4:01] <fr0g911> darn lies
[4:01] <Tachyon`> yeah, miine said that too, bought a couple
[4:01] <Tachyon`> one has now been given away, the other is in someones car showing a parking camera image -.o
[4:01] <Tachyon`> but that's clearly exactly the same display
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[4:02] <fr0g911> http://www.amazon.com/Camera-Monitor-Support-Rotating-Screen/dp/B007SLDF7O/ref=pd_cp_e_0
[4:02] <bin_bash> this is what fsck says about the boot partition: http://sprunge.us/YRcM
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[4:02] <bin_bash> and this is what it says about the main partition: http://sprunge.us/aIhE
[4:02] <Tachyon`> 480x234 again
[4:02] <Tachyon`> it's actually hard to find suitable lcds for a low price
[4:02] <fr0g911> yeah guess im gonna china it then lol
[4:03] <seba-> bin_bash, add to /etc/default/rc.S or rcS whatever it is
[4:03] <seba-> bin_bash, to autofix FSCK
[4:03] <seba-> at the end
[4:03] <seba-> set to yes
[4:03] <ReggieUK> nyjtouch might be an idea
[4:03] <bin_bash> seba-, I don't want to listen to you. Because I don't think you know what you're talking about
[4:03] <ReggieUK> on ebay
[4:03] <seba-> bin_bash, why?
[4:03] <ReggieUK> or ego-china
[4:03] <ReggieUK> again on ebay
[4:03] <bin_bash> Because of your earlier statements
[4:03] <Tachyon`> yeah, it'll fsck every boot if needs be
[4:03] <seba-> bin_bash, yes like what?
[4:03] <seba-> show me some evidence
[4:03] <seba-> i was wrong
[4:03] <bin_bash> like that you can't check corrupted filesystems
[4:03] <bin_bash> that's just incorrect
[4:04] <Tachyon`> you most certainly can
[4:04] <seba-> yes you can
[4:04] <seba-> but not fully
[4:04] <seba-> you can't check for bad blocks
[4:04] * Tachyon` blinks
[4:04] <seba-> unless you erase everything
[4:04] <Tachyon`> what?
[4:04] <bin_bash> if the filesystem is corrupted, wiping the drive isn't going to tell you whether or not it was corrupted
[4:04] <bin_bash> if you erase it, you'll never know if it was corrupted because it'll be erased
[4:05] <seba-> bin_bash, SD cards can get corrupted blocks
[4:05] <seba-> and you don't know that
[4:05] <seba-> unless you do a write+read+verify check
[4:05] <seba-> with badblocks
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[4:05] <seba-> with the flag w
[4:05] <seba-> -w
[4:05] <seba-> bin_bash, show me where i'm wrong and i'll shut up
[4:06] <bin_bash> I just don't think that's accurate. I've done fsck checks on many different sdcards before and found badblocks where they were
[4:07] <seba-> bin_bash, yes, sometimes it finds them
[4:07] <seba-> if they are read errors
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[4:08] <bin_bash> okay
[4:08] <Tachyon`> you can't' really find bad blocks on sd that way anyway
[4:08] <Tachyon`> as the controller tends to move things around to minimise wear
[4:08] <Tachyon`> on write
[4:08] <Tachyon`> it should find them on read though
[4:08] <seba-> Tachyon`, sure you can, just the bad blocks move up and down
[4:08] <seba-> they won't be on the same spot
[4:09] <seba-> so it doesn't really help if you find them, you just know it's broken
[4:09] <Tachyon`> also, sd cards have a cache of unallocated blocks to replace the dead ones with when the controller detects them
[4:09] <Tachyon`> so if you were doing a write test you'd likely have to do it twice
[4:09] <seba-> Tachyon`, yes, but only if it has read or write errors
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[4:10] <seba-> not if it has verify errors
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[4:11] <fr0g911> yea looks like thats the best one Tachyon`
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[4:12] <Tachyon`> https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/44824_10151398289391305_1110558826_n.jpg
[4:12] <Tachyon`> pic not related
[4:12] <mattwj2002> offtopic anyone watch Revolution right now?
[4:12] <mattwj2002> man I love this show :)
[4:12] <mattwj2002> *watching
[4:12] <Tachyon`> hope they let maggie lie in state
[4:13] <Tachyon`> so I can check she's really dead
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[4:13] <mattwj2002> huh Tachyon`?
[4:14] <Tachyon`> ah, maggie thatcher died yesterday
[4:14] <Tachyon`> 30 years late but I'll take it
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[4:31] <lkthomas> anyone have experience with LCDproc ?
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[5:01] <mythril> has anyone made a decent bitcoin wallet for raspberry pi (an offline one, hopefully) ?
[5:01] <mythril> I tried to build armory and ran into problem after problem
[5:02] <mythril> Multibit is java... so no
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[5:02] <mythril> electrum isn't really what I'm looking for
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[5:22] <Litecoin> its 420
[5:22] <Litecoin> blaze it mfucker
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[5:34] <fr0g911> lol no blazing for me
[5:36] <x29a> mythril: "Multibit is java... so no" - why? someone was running a minecraft server, thats java too
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[5:38] <bin_bash> I wish berryboot had arch
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[5:39] <jeeto> Hi can I please have some assistance setting up a webcam to opencv in real time
[5:40] <jeeto> I have been trying very hard for 2 days
[5:40] <bin_bash> can you ask a more specific quesiton
[5:40] <jeeto> what is the simplest way to do it?
[5:41] <bin_bash> to do what
[5:41] <jeeto> I have a c++ program using opencv, it is a controller for a robot car, i need real-time image samples
[5:41] <bin_bash> ah
[5:41] <bin_bash> no idea
[5:41] <jeeto> can i use terminal commands in my c++ program?
[5:42] <jeeto> I was thinking maybe I could snap a photo, read it, delete it, repeat
[5:42] <bin_bash> did you write the c++ program?
[5:42] <jeeto> yes
[5:42] <bin_bash> then you should know the answer to that
[5:42] <jeeto> i developed on windows
[5:42] <jeeto> visual studio
[5:42] <bin_bash> lol
[5:42] <jeeto> lol
[5:42] <jeeto> im new
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[5:42] <bin_bash> idk anything about your program
[5:42] <jeeto> I can change it
[5:42] <pksato> to call programs, use shell script. :_
[5:43] <bin_bash> you'd have to program in the ability to take command line arguments
[5:43] <jeeto> I just need to get Mat object in place
[5:43] <jeeto> pksato ":_" in c++ ?
[5:43] <jeeto> Mat is a matrix object data type for holding images in openCV library
[5:44] <jeeto> I have been trying to use the VideoCapture but get an error from gstreamer
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[5:45] <pksato> jeeto: you can use exec(), system(), popen() and others to run commando from c++
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[5:45] <xrosnight> i just ordered a kick ass USB hub online
[5:46] <[Saint]> language
[5:47] <steve_rox> whats so kick arse about it?
[5:47] <[Saint]> language
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[5:48] <xrosnight> http://img04.taobaocdn.com/imgextra/i4/169939419/T2zBRsXaxNXXXXXXXX_!!169939419.jpg
[5:48] <steve_rox> ma donkey!
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[5:50] <[Saint]> heh - if you purchased enough of those, you could fashion some form of hilarious USB cube.
[5:50] <xrosnight> [Saint]: good idea
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[6:16] <advisor> hi all
[6:16] <advisor> i have a weird issue
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[6:17] <advisor> my raspi keeps rebooting at random intervals
[6:17] <advisor> running moebus (stripped-down raspbian)
[6:17] <advisor> i had 5 days of quiet after i set overclock from full to modest
[6:18] <advisor> but it did it again this night
[6:18] <advisor> please note the box has next to no workload at all
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[6:19] <clever> advisor: are you able to connect to the serial console?
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[6:20] <advisor> you mean a real tty? box is headless and a few miles away
[6:20] <clever> oh, that makes it harder to test then
[6:20] <advisor> what do you suspect?
[6:21] <clever> if it was a kernel fault, causing an automatic reboot (to prevent it from locking up solid), it would show info about it on the console
[6:21] <advisor> wouldn't that show up in dmesg?
[6:22] <clever> if the problem is bad enougn, it wont be able to write anything to the disk
[6:22] <clever> and dmesg is cleared on reboot
[6:22] <advisor> ompf
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[6:22] <advisor> how do i check for sd card corruption
[6:22] <clever> thats exactly why it doesnt write to the disk in those cases
[6:22] <clever> it knows things are going bad, and any attempts to write to disk will end badly
[6:23] <clever> so it doesnt even try
[6:23] <advisor> what really puzzles me are these random times it happens at
[6:24] <advisor> like, really random
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[8:49] <NetBat> morning Pi pickers.
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[9:17] <pagios> anyone using c920?
[9:19] <NetBat> Pagios: For the uninitiated, would you explain exactly what that is, please?
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[9:19] <pagios> webcam
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[9:21] <NetBat> pagios: A-ha. What do you plan to use it for? The usual personal communication, or something else?
[9:21] <pagios> yes
[9:22] <NetBat> pagios; is Skype available on Debian? Last time I checked I couldn't find anything.
[9:24] <NetBat> You know, I think the term `netcam'would be closer to the money than `webcam'.
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[9:30] <NetBat> pagios: How many Pis do you own?
[9:30] <pagios> 467
[9:31] <NetBat> pagios: Do you use all of them at the same time?
[9:31] * [Saint] suspects some slightly fudged numbers. ;)
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[9:33] <NetBat> Saint: Oh you never know. I'm inclined to beleive anything in these times of prosperity and economic growth. :)
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[9:34] <NetBat> (or should that be "economic growth and prosperity. I supposed prosperity is prediacated on growth, or does the former encourage the latter? discuss.)
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[9:36] <[Saint]> That's like ~12K worth of Pi, though. You'd need to /reaaaaaaaaally love low-spec educational ARM boards :)
[9:36] <[Saint]> Like....a lot.
[9:36] <[Saint]> :)
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[9:38] <[Saint]> Assuming most of them are headless, you'd get a lot more bang for your buck buying a nice server and emulating 500 nodes. :)
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[9:38] <NetBat> Saint: Enough for a banquet, or perhaps raspberry jam.
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[9:47] <NetBat> Hmm, I wonder, does the Pi switch off when it overheats?
[9:47] <NetBat> (Like Intel chips.)
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[9:49] <Triffid_Hunter> NetBat: last time I read it disables all overclocking if it hits 85c or so.. but very few folk have managed to get it that hot
[9:51] <NetBat> Triffid_Hunter: Still, it is reassuring to know that it has a safety mechanism for such an eventuality, unlikely though it may be.
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[9:54] <NetBat> They should build a chip that hits a coupple of hundreds c, so that you'd be able to make yourself a fry-up while browsing thorugh myspace. :)
[9:55] <Triffid_Hunter> NetBat: they did, it's called the pentium 4
[9:55] <Triffid_Hunter> only takes 66c to cook an egg ;)
[9:55] <NetBat> Triffid_Hunter: You aren't serious, surely.
[9:56] <Triffid_Hunter> NetBat: yeah I am actually. they're called 'space heaters' by the local geeks here because of their ridiculous 130w TDP
[9:56] <NetBat> Triffid_hunter: There's more to a traditional English fry-up than just eggs my friend. :)
[9:56] <Triffid_Hunter> NetBat: CPUs produce power. it's up to your heatsinking (or lack thereof) as to the temperature it achieves
[9:57] <NetBat> Triffid_Hunter: if that was the P4, what about the newer chips?
[9:57] <Triffid_Hunter> NetBat: newer chips have lower TDP. they do more work with less joules
[9:58] <Triffid_Hunter> typically 30-65w these days
[9:59] <NetBat> Triffid_hunter: About the same as the average light bulb. What about the older CPUs, how much power did they need?
[10:00] <Triffid_Hunter> NetBat: how old? original pentium was the first one that needed a fan.. not sure 286 had a heatsink at all
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[10:00] <Viper-7> i had a Cyrix PR-233 i boiled water with
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[10:00] <Viper-7> was overheating due to a motherboard issue tho, not natural :P
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[10:01] <NetBat> A CPU that doubles up as a samovar ... I think that has some potentials. :)
[10:02] <Triffid_Hunter> heh I used to use my tower as a room heater.. whenever it was cold I'd fire up folding@home or seti or a game or something, would raise the temp in the room by several degrees :)
[10:03] <NetBat> Triffid_hunter: Where do you live?
[10:03] <Triffid_Hunter> NetBat: Australia
[10:03] <Viper-7> Triffid_Hunter: yeah i do that with my GPU :P
[10:03] <NetBat> Triffid_hunter: Where do you live?Triffid_Hunter: does it get very cold there?
[10:03] <Viper-7> if my room is cold i start cracking md5 hashes
[10:04] <Viper-7> GTX295, the thing is a furnace
[10:04] <Triffid_Hunter> NetBat: we occasionally get a bit of frost in midwinter
[10:05] <Triffid_Hunter> I'm yet to own a fancy video card.. never could justify the cost
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[10:05] <NetBat> Speak of which, 've recently installed a Zalman fan on my Intel Core 2 (2.8 ghz) chip. the fan has a speed control which I have turned down to the min. Is taht safe? It's certainly quieter now.
[10:06] <pagios> safer for your ears, for sure
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[10:06] <Triffid_Hunter> NetBat: watch the temperature. don't let it go past 85
[10:06] <Viper-7> ~320W while gaming
[10:06] <Triffid_Hunter> NetBat: I had a script on my tower that would modulate the CPU max frequency and voltage based on temperature
[10:06] <NetBat> Triffid_Hunter: How do I check that?
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[10:06] <Triffid_Hunter> NetBat: I use lm-sensors or just grab direct from /sys
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[10:07] <NetBat> Triffid_Hunter: I run Windows.
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[10:07] <Triffid_Hunter> oh you poor thing.. I have no idea then
[10:07] <nid0> use your motherboard's utility software then
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[10:16] <NetBat> A possible candidate for MS Windows users: <http://www.alcpu.com/CoreTemp/>
[10:17] <Viper-7> if on windows,use speedfan
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[10:17] <NetBat> Viper-7: Thanks. I'll look it up.
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[10:40] <mattwj2002> hi guys
[10:41] <mattwj2002> an overclocked pi makes a nice mythtv frontend :D
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[10:46] <NetBat> Viper-7: Got speed Fan. Unfortunately, it's far too advanced for me at this stage. I know zero about hardware. Any pointers to beginner articles on CPUs and other hardware components would be deeply appreciated.
[10:47] <mattwj2002> fan?
[10:47] <mattwj2002> for overclocking?
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[10:49] <NetBat> mattwj2002: yes, that was the original aim.
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[10:50] <mattwj2002> NetBat: how high are you trying to go?
[10:50] <mattwj2002> and why?
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[10:50] <NetBat> mattwj2002: Define "high", please.
[10:51] <mattwj2002> what clock rate do you want to run at?
[10:51] <Triffid_Hunter> NetBat: power is loosely proportional to clock frequency * voltage ^ 2. you need a minimum amount of voltage for the cpu to run error free at a given clock speed, so power dissipated is loosely proportional to speed increase cubed.. this is why you see maybe 30-50% overclocks touted as extreme
[10:52] <mattwj2002> high in this case means how fast
[10:52] <mattwj2002> :)
[10:52] <ripzay> i take it we're NOT talking about overclocking a rasperrryPi here ?
[10:52] <geordie> mattwj2002: just so you know, you're in a discussion that does not involve rpi, but rather a windows box
[10:52] <mattwj2002> oh okay
[10:52] <mattwj2002> no worries
[10:52] <Triffid_Hunter> ripzay: I don't think NetBat is, but my statements apply to the pi.. it was so underclocked to start with that it turned out to have a lot of headroom available :)
[10:53] <mattwj2002> I have an overclocked pi
[10:53] <mattwj2002> :D
[10:53] <mattwj2002> 900 Mhz yeah!
[10:53] <ripzay> my desktop pc is overclocked
[10:53] <NetBat> geordi: I'm sorry if you're unhappy with it.
[10:53] <mattwj2002> sweet
[10:53] <ripzay> from 2.4GHz to 3.6GHz
[10:53] <ripzay> but it's an old Q6600 CPU, which love to be clocked
[10:54] <ripzay> i do however have a behemoth of a heatsink and fan setup on it
[10:54] <Triffid_Hunter> mattwj2002: not sure if that's considered an overclock anymore.. latest firmware includes a dynamic clocking option which doesn't void your warranty, the foundation decided that the rpi was sufficiently reliable at higher clocks
[10:54] <mattwj2002> O.o
[10:54] <mattwj2002> Triffid_Hunter: I know you
[10:54] <Triffid_Hunter> mattwj2002: reprap? :)
[10:54] <Ben64> would be better to just get a faster cpu than overclock : /
[10:54] <mattwj2002> indeed
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[10:55] <ripzay> not as cost effective though :P
[10:55] <Triffid_Hunter> mattwj2002: I think mine's set to idle at 500MHz or so then kick up to 1GHz when necessary
[10:55] <Ben64> ripzay: more cost effective actually
[10:55] <mattwj2002> Triffid_Hunter: all I know is that my raspberry runs video a lot better at 900 Mhz than 700 Mhz
[10:55] <ripzay> given that if i get a better CPU, i need a better mobo, and then i'll need DDR3 RAM
[10:55] <ripzay> and then i'll possibly need a bigger PSU
[10:55] <Triffid_Hunter> mattwj2002: mine seemed fine playing 720p at 700MHz, I use the dynamic clocking for the best of both worlds
[10:55] <ripzay> however, i've spent a grand total of ??0 on my main PC in 6 years
[10:55] <ripzay> :P
[10:55] <mattwj2002> I am doing 1080i ;)
[10:56] <ripzay> oh i tell a lie, i bought an SSD
[10:56] <mattwj2002> mythtv frontend
[10:56] <mattwj2002> and 720p of course too
[10:56] <Ben64> newer cpus are faster, cheaper, and cooler than the 6600
[10:56] <NetBat> Triffid_Hunter: Do you know any good articles on the subject then?
[10:57] <lkthomas> guys, on Pi, what's the best way to drive LCD display ?
[10:57] <nid0> plugin hdmi
[10:57] <nid0> done
[10:57] <Triffid_Hunter> NetBat: not off-hand, but it's on-topic in #hardware
[10:57] <lkthomas> LCD
[10:57] <lkthomas> 16x2 one
[10:57] <Triffid_Hunter> NetBat: my understanding comes from being an EE who actually knows a fair bit of what happens down at the individual transistor level on the cpu die
[10:58] <neilr> http://www.coolcomponents.co.uk/catalog/textstar-serial-display-p-428.html
[10:58] <neilr> lkthomas: the textstar LCD above is incredibly easy to use
[10:59] <lkthomas> I am asking how to drive it via program, not where to buy it
[10:59] <lkthomas> I already have on connect to my Pi
[10:59] <neilr> well how to drive it depends on which one you have
[11:00] <lkthomas> WHAT?!
[11:00] <lkthomas> well, I am running GPIO
[11:00] <lkthomas> does it help ?
[11:00] <NetBat> Triffid_Hunter: What's EE?
[11:01] <neilr> read the datasheet that came with it - that should tell you everything you need to know!
[11:01] <Triffid_Hunter> NetBat: electrical engineer
[11:01] <neilr> I guess my sample drivers for the textstar device won't help you, as they're written for RISC OS
[11:02] <lkthomas> neilr: let me say it again, I have one already connect to Pi and up and running. I want to send text via bash
[11:02] <NetBat> Triffid_Hunter: That explains a lot. I'm a software man. I can program anything, but hardware ... :)
[11:02] <neilr> That's OK. I understood that.
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[11:03] <lkthomas> I need someone have more experience on it
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[11:07] <rymate1234> will this work with the rpi? http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/partNumber/9126325.htm
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[11:07] <nid0> yes
[11:08] <Triffid_Hunter> NetBat: hardware is exactly the same except you have voltage and current instead of binary numbers in ram
[11:08] <nid0> any cheapo nano adaptor like that will be an rtl8188 device, which works fine with the pi
[11:08] <Triffid_Hunter> NetBat: also the building blocks are a bit different
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[11:09] <rymate1234> nid0, what is the range like?
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[11:09] <nid0> itll be fine for in and around a house
[11:09] <rymate1234> ah ok
[11:09] <rymate1234> should be fine then
[11:09] * rymate1234 goes to buy it
[11:09] <nid0> but theyre cheap and small, so the most amazing adaptors ever they are not
[11:10] <rymate1234> lol
[11:11] <NetBat> ~~~~Triffid_Hunter: I'm rather nervous to respond to the last statement lest I should upset anyone here. :)
[11:11] <Triffid_Hunter> NetBat: *shrug* haters gonna hate, may as well have a fun time while they do it anyway
[11:12] <NetBat> Triffid_Hunter: that's the Aussie spirit. go on then, tell me, what's the diff between coltage and current?
[11:12] <rymate1234> what is coltage?
[11:12] <NetBat> oops s/coltage/voltage/
[11:12] <Triffid_Hunter> NetBat: water analogy probably the best place to start. voltage = pressure, current = flow
[11:13] <Triffid_Hunter> NetBat: the thing that actually moves (the water in the analogy) is called charge and is made from electrons in the conduction band
[11:14] <NetBat> So, charge = current?
[11:14] <Triffid_Hunter> NetBat: no. charges moving = current. charges bunching up and wanting to move = voltage. charges just hanging around is just charge
[11:16] <geordie> NetBat: i wasn't unhappy, i had noticed that mattwj2002 had joined the channel after you mentioned you were running windows, and wouldn't otherwise realize that's what the discussion was about
[11:17] <geordie> it's always nice to know what you're talking about...
[11:18] <NetBat> geordie: I think mattwj2002 might have guessed as much, but thanks for the clarification all the same.
[11:19] <mattwj2002> it is all good to me
[11:20] <geordie> NetBat: yes, he might have
[11:20] <geordie> good night all
[11:20] <mattwj2002> good night geordie
[11:20] <mattwj2002> sleep well!
[11:21] <NetBat> Geordie: and dream ontopic dreams. :)
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[11:24] <lkthomas> anyone using 16x2 LCD display ?
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[11:39] <ShiftPlusOne> lkthomas, pi or in general? O_o I think I know how to use them pretty well, but I have never hooked one up to a pi.
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[11:50] <IalexI> what is the min frequency of the pi when not overclocked?
[11:51] <ripzay> [09:56:18] <Ben64> newer cpus are faster, cheaper, and cooler than the 6600
[11:52] <ripzay> that doesn't make something more cost effective when you already own the older one
[11:52] <mgottschlag> the minimum frequency shouldn't have anything to do with overclocking, as newer kernels should use dynamic underclocking
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[11:52] <mgottschlag> the default maximum frequency however is 700MHz
[11:52] <ripzay> it's not cost effective to buy a brand new car every 6 months because a new one came out that is faster and better
[11:52] <ripzay> same applies to CPU's
[11:52] <ripzay> infact, same applies to.. anything :D
[11:53] <Ben64> who said 6 months?
[11:53] <Viper-7> cars dont double in speed every year like computers do
[11:53] <Viper-7> or even if they did, we wouldnt be allowed to use the power anyway
[11:53] <Ben64> q6600 came out in the beginning of 2007
[11:53] <ripzay> well. the i series came out approx 2 years ago
[11:53] <IalexI> mgottschlag, I looked at /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_min_freq .. and it tells me 700 MHz
[11:53] <IalexI> that's why I wondered
[11:54] <ripzay> i got my Q6600 in 2007
[11:54] <Ben64> and now its old and slow
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[11:54] <ripzay> i spend ??650 on my rig in 2007 and since then have spent ??120 on it on a new SSD
[11:54] <ripzay> it plays bf3 with no issues at 1080p on ultra
[11:55] <IalexI> ripzay, how many hours do you run your pc per day?
[11:55] <ripzay> 24/7
[11:55] <Ben64> 486 dx2 66mhz came out in 1992
[11:55] <ripzay> it also has a few VM's on it
[11:55] <IalexI> ripzay, it would make sense to upgrade it to something more power efficient then
[11:55] <Ben64> add 6 years, and you could have a p2 450mhz
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[11:56] <ripzay> IalexI.. there's little difference between the i series and a q6600 at the loads we're talking about here
[11:56] <ripzay> not enough to justify buying one when it's brand new
[11:56] <IalexI> ripzay, right, but most of the time a computer is idle
[11:56] <ripzay> considering i'd have to replace the entire system except the graphics card to do it
[11:57] <ripzay> which would cost hundreds
[11:57] <Ben64> hundred maybe
[11:57] <ripzay> hundred ?
[11:57] <ripzay> CPU, RAM, Mobo
[11:57] <Ben64> my last upgrade was like $70
[11:57] <ripzay> to upgrade your CPU, RAM and Mobo
[11:57] <Ben64> yep
[11:57] <ripzay> unlikely.
[11:58] <Ben64> 8GB rams, amd 1045t, and motherboard
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[11:58] <IalexI> ripzay, a very efficient i series platform just uses 20 watt idle
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[11:58] <ripzay> the CPU is so minor when you factor in the media devices
[11:59] <ripzay> i have 16 HDD's in which are doing SOMETHINg most of the time
[11:59] <ripzay> they're never spun down
[11:59] <IalexI> ripzay, I hope you use zfs :P
[11:59] <ripzay> i'm not saying it's not cost efficient to upgrade
[11:59] <ripzay> what i'm saying is, until i have a NEED to upgrade, it's not cost efficient
[12:00] <IalexI> ripzay, do you happen to use sata expanders?
[12:00] <Hoerie> if you have a really old machine a couple of years of high power consumption might start to add up
[12:00] <ripzay> not really Hoerie.. it costs me about ??5 a month to run my PC 24/7
[12:01] <IalexI> Hoerie, indeed.. that's why I upgraded a xeon x3350 system (almost identical to q6600) to sandy bridge
[12:01] <ripzay> it's the rest of the shit that goes with it that's bloody expensive to run
[12:01] <ripzay> routers, switches etc.
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[12:01] <ripzay> inefficient plug-in-the-wall power adapters
[12:02] <Hoerie> in my case I've moved from always on pc to nas and raspberry pi and only use my pc when I really need it
[12:02] <ripzay> my current rig runs all my VM's and allows me to play the most system intensive game i have at the same time.. until i need to do something more intensive, i'm not spending the ??600-700 it will take to get the next 'top-of-the-range'
[12:03] <ripzay> which will more than likely be this year
[12:03] <ripzay> when bf4 comes out :x
[12:03] <IalexI> Hoerie, me too ;) which irc client do you use?
[12:03] <Ben64> thats a crazy amount of money
[12:03] <Hoerie> if you are buying top of the range gaming rigs then power usage is obviously not your priority abyway ;-)
[12:03] <ripzay> correct, Hoerie
[12:03] <Hoerie> znc
[12:03] <Ben64> ?300 would more than cover anything
[12:03] <ripzay> i care not for the planet :D
[12:03] <Hoerie> on the pi and mirc to znc
[12:03] <ripzay> Ben64
[12:04] <ripzay> there is no way in hell you can buy a top end i7, 16GB of DDR and a motherboard for ??300
[12:04] <Ben64> sure i can
[12:04] <IalexI> Hoerie, I don't know it.. I am using xchat ;) runs pretty well
[12:04] <ripzay> not to mention the new psu.. that will be ??120
[12:04] <Ben64> i wouldn't get an i7 but i could do that anyway
[12:04] <Ben64> either you have crappy deals where you're at, or you don't know how to find them
[12:05] <Hoerie> that's a fairly expensive psu, assuming the pound is still worth more than the euro
[12:05] <Ben64> maybe he just goes for "most expensive = best"
[12:05] <Ben64> 120 British Pound Sterling equals140.57 Euro
[12:06] <IalexI> Ben64, I agree to ripzay .. if you don't buy used hardware, there is no way to spend just 300 pounds
[12:06] <ripzay> the cpu alone is ??260
[12:06] <IalexI> right.
[12:06] <ripzay> ALONE
[12:06] <ripzay> mobo and 16GB of DDR3 for ??40
[12:06] <ripzay> good luck
[12:06] <ripzay> i dont go for most expensive = best
[12:06] <Ben64> i wouldn't buy a cpu that costs $400, that's just silly
[12:06] <ripzay> what i go for is buy cheap, buy twice
[12:07] <Ben64> talk about throwing money away
[12:07] <ripzay> maybe thats why my PC has lasted me nearly 7 years
[12:07] <ripzay> and you've had to upgrade
[12:07] <ripzay> ;)
[12:07] <Ben64> who said i "had" to?
[12:07] <Ben64> i saw an awesome deal on a 6 core cpu, mobo and ram
[12:08] <Hoerie> hmm my i5 is still ???195,- not much price drop there
[12:08] <nid0> fwiw, ??120 is not even "most expensive" for a modular psu, thats decidedly mid-priced
[12:08] <ripzay> you'l have to wait a couple more months Hoerie, they'll drop
[12:08] <IalexI> is it right that x11 is not accelerated on the pi?
[12:08] <Hoerie> I think I generally keep pcs for 5-7 years with maybe a processor upgrade
[12:09] <ripzay> i do the same Hoerie, except i dont upgrade the CPU
[12:09] <ripzay> i just wait for them to drop before i buy them
[12:09] <ripzay> so get the best
[12:09] <Hoerie> the price/power ratio generally favours mid range though
[12:09] <ripzay> i see false economy in buying a lower cpu and overclocking the hell out of it from the beginning, only to upgrade it (and probably have to upgrade the HS+F at the same time)
[12:10] <Hoerie> as long as you don't want to run crysis X at max gfx, you are usually fine
[12:10] <ripzay> see i do want to run games at max graphics ;p
[12:10] <IalexI> I generally buy a mid-range cpu and overclock or undervolt it to the maximum
[12:10] <Hoerie> I don't OC, generally by the time I start noticing slowness compared to newer pcs there is a nicely priced upgrade for the same socket
[12:11] <ripzay> for me, there's no point in having mid range, because by the time the next game comes it, your machine can't handle it
[12:11] <Ben64> the important part there is gpu
[12:11] <ripzay> yeah, my gpu was ??390
[12:11] <Ben64> any mid range cpu won't have a problem with anything
[12:11] <IalexI> for example, my q6600 could easily be overclocked to 3 ghz, when needed, but it ran it stock with about 1V voltage (if I remember it correctly)
[12:11] <Hoerie> I've yet to see many games that require 8 cores, so an i5 should be more than capable there
[12:12] <jelly1> games that require 8 cores LOL
[12:12] <Hoerie> let's say use instead of require
[12:12] <IalexI> jelly1, next generation consoles will use 8 core amds cpus
[12:12] <Ben64> ps4
[12:12] <jelly1> IalexI: I still bet the GPU does more work then the CPU
[12:12] <IalexI> jelly1, i am not into games, so I don't know ;)
[12:13] <Hoerie> are those multi-purpose cores or cpu/gpu SoCs?
[12:13] <ripzay> the biggest problem with PC gaming is that it's such a small market when compared to the console, so they port console games to the PC rather than thinking about the PC from the beginning.
[12:13] <IalexI> games are a waste of time :p
[12:13] <jelly1> I'm not into nonsense
[12:13] <ripzay> which means they are very inefficient.
[12:13] <jelly1> and It seems that these games are zomg inefficient :P
[12:13] <Hoerie> it's more that coding for console is cheaper and porting to pc afterwards works
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[12:14] <Ben64> pcs are much more powerful than consoles
[12:14] <IalexI> Ben64, not really..
[12:14] <Hoerie> otherwise you end up dealing with pc's huge number of different configs and port to console where all of your careful tinkering isn't required
[12:14] <Ben64> IalexI: ok then, what console is better
[12:14] <IalexI> Ben64, I am sorry, I misready your statement ;)
[12:14] <Ben64> heh
[12:16] <IalexI> though there might be some exceptions.. for example, when the ps3 came out, it was pretty powerful when compared to pcs
[12:16] <IalexI> but pc hardware is frequently updated..
[12:16] <Hoerie> it was powerful in potential, unfortunately almost noone could use that potential
[12:16] <Ben64> they still can't
[12:17] <IalexI> Hoerie, there was a project which used ps3 in a cluster for number crunching
[12:17] <Hoerie> well, if you never updated you can use it in a cluster
[12:17] <Ben64> 256MB of ram was a bad choice
[12:17] <jelly1> meh
[12:17] <IalexI> Ben64, the ps3 just has 256mb ram?
[12:17] <jelly1> Ben64: my nas runs tons of stuff on 128 MB ram
[12:17] <Ben64> yeah
[12:18] <jelly1> ohwait
[12:18] <jelly1> we are talking consoles :D
[12:18] <IalexI> jelly1, what kind of nas do you use?
[12:18] <Hoerie> did the ps3 have 256 + 256 or was it the xbox that had split ram?
[12:18] <jelly1> IalexI: synology
[12:19] <IalexI> jelly1, what kind of performance do you get?
[12:19] <Ben64> ps3 i think is 256 for cpu, 256 for gpu
[12:19] <jelly1> IalexI: ~ 60 MB /s over gigabit
[12:19] <Ben64> and 360 is variable shared ram
[12:19] <jelly1> IalexI: but I don't have the fastet disks + nas model
[12:19] <Hoerie> yeah, and they later learned to use the gpu ram for other stuff too
[12:19] <IalexI> jelly1, it would be too slow for my taste
[12:19] <Hoerie> <jelly1> IalexI: ~ 60 MB /s over gigabit <-- reading I take it
[12:20] <jelly1> IalexI: but this is a slow model
[12:20] <jelly1> I still have to tweak my network :)
[12:20] <jelly1> can play with MTU settings
[12:20] <IalexI> jelly1, anyway, I only trust my data to zfs ;)
[12:20] <jelly1> IalexI: oh lol
[12:20] <Hoerie> I get about 80 MB/s down without any jumbo-frame trickery
[12:20] <jelly1> Hoerie: i didn't try that yet
[12:21] <IalexI> jelly1, but its also quite slow on high end hardware..
[12:21] <jelly1> Hoerie: but it works fine for video streaming and backing up
[12:21] <jelly1> IalexI: what is slow?
[12:21] <IalexI> jelly1, zfs
[12:21] <Hoerie> mine is mainly a media repo and a backup for some personal data
[12:21] <jelly1> isn't it fast with enough ram ;)
[12:21] <IalexI> jelly1, I have 32 gb.. and, no ;)
[12:22] <jelly1> Hoerie: mine does backup,media,downloading,vpn,znc,.. and more
[12:22] <nid0> you can get an awful lot out of synology boxes these days
[12:22] <jelly1> nid0: yup
[12:23] <ripzay> you guys ever used 'greyhole' ?
[12:23] <jelly1> oh and it runs urlwatch for my packagaging
[12:23] <ripzay> JBOD software
[12:23] <IalexI> ripzay, nop, what is it?
[12:23] <jelly1> nope
[12:23] <ripzay> it's pretty clever
[12:23] <ripzay> i'm trialling it
[12:23] <jelly1> nid0: sadly my model is ~ 2 years old and it's getting slow :P
[12:23] <Hoerie> I guess I could have run znc off my qnap, but probably more frustration than putting it on a pi
[12:23] <ripzay> it limits you to using samba shares
[12:24] <IalexI> Hoerie, does znc run in x11?
[12:24] <nid0> jelly1: mine;s about that old, using a ds211, still more than get what I need out of it
[12:24] <jelly1> nid0: ds211j here
[12:24] <nid0> will probably be upgrading to a 413 sometime this year though
[12:24] <ripzay> You have a pool of physical disks, which can be of any size, any manufacturer, and model, and any connectivity type, as long as it can be mounted
[12:24] <jelly1> nid0: I won't be upgrading soon, but hopefully next year ;)
[12:24] <ripzay> and it takes files off your samba share, puts them on any number of your pool drives (configurable)
[12:25] <ripzay> and then creates a symbolic link to the file
[12:25] <ripzay> if a drive goes down, it moves the symbolic link to a copy on another drive in the pool
[12:25] <IalexI> I would like to have something like wuala for my pcs ;)
[12:25] <ripzay> but you can just keep feeding it disks
[12:25] <ripzay> and it increases the storage capacity
[12:26] <ripzay> no fucking around rebuilding raid arrays or anythin
[12:26] <Hoerie> <IalexI> Hoerie, does znc run in x11? <-- don't think so, not really very knowledgeable on such things
[12:26] <IalexI> ripzay, zfs also doesn't need raid rebuilds
[12:26] <ripzay> oops.. pardon my swearing*
[12:26] <jelly1> znc is a daemon
[12:26] <jelly1> like ssh
[12:26] <IalexI> ripzay, and all your data is checksummed.. thats why I love it
[12:26] <Hoerie> <ripzay> if a drive goes down, it moves the symbolic link to a copy on another drive in the pool <-- so it's not really JBOD then?
[12:26] <ripzay> i use znc
[12:27] <jelly1> znc is awesome
[12:27] <ripzay> well it fits the loose definition of JBOD :P
[12:27] <ripzay> http://www.greyhole.net/files/greyhole_drive_pooling.png
[12:27] <IalexI> jelly1, its like a proxy for irc?
[12:27] <ripzay> bouncer
[12:28] <jelly1> IalexI: it's a bouncer
[12:28] <ripzay> i use it for 2 reasons
[12:28] <IalexI> jelly1, I thought you are not into nonsense ;)
[12:28] <Hoerie> the drobo has a similar setup iirc
[12:28] <ripzay> 1) logging
[12:28] <jelly1> IalexI: it's no nonsense
[12:28] <ripzay> 2) i can connect from any number of devices to my BNC, and only one client is presented to the IRC network
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[12:29] <IalexI> jelly1, do you happen to know psybnc ?
[12:29] <jelly1> no
[12:29] <Hoerie> that's an older bnc isn't it?
[12:29] <ripzay> psybnc used to be the best you could get
[12:29] <ripzay> but it's no longer developer
[12:29] <ripzay> developed*
[12:29] <jelly1> znc is awesome
[12:29] <ripzay> znc has surpassed it in every way
[12:29] <IalexI> jelly1, its an old bouncer.. and it has code in it from me ;)
[12:29] <ripzay> the web interface is absolutely brilliant too
[12:29] <jelly1> IalexI: oh :p
[12:30] <IalexI> that's why I can profoundly say.. bouncers are a waste of time :p
[12:31] <Hoerie> looks like there hasn't been any activity on the psybnc trac for 3 years or so
[12:31] <jelly1> IalexI: it's not
[12:31] <jelly1> IalexI: I have plenty of things to discuss on irc for development
[12:31] <jelly1> and with znc I don't miss stuff
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[12:31] <rymate1234> Znc is also good if you use an external one
[12:31] <Triffid_Hunter> znc works for me
[12:32] <rymate1234> I can hide my crappy internet
[12:32] <IalexI> jelly1, nod.. this might be an usage scenario which makes at least little sense
[12:32] <ripzay> i spend more time on quakenet than i do on freenode, and i'm an op in a fairly active channel on there.. znc means we've got logs, it also means i can jump in to the conversation from any of my devices and read back if i need to
[12:32] <rymate1234> :D
[12:32] <ripzay> it also means that eejits don't steal my nick
[12:33] <Triffid_Hunter> I love being able to sign in from multiple places at once
[12:33] <ripzay> which is a big pain in the backside problem on quakenet
[12:33] <Triffid_Hunter> just wish I could have a separate logbuffer for each one
[12:33] <IalexI> ripzay, /nick <someothernick> .. problem solved ;)
[12:33] <ripzay> but it's MY NICK! :D
[12:33] <Triffid_Hunter> IalexI: that doesn't force someone else to change their nick..
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[12:34] <ripzay> there's only one way i know to get someone to change their nick
[12:34] <ripzay> and that's ask one of my IRCOp friends :P
[12:34] <IalexI> split brain in the irc network and nick collisions..
[12:34] <IalexI> at least it worked in the ircnet :p
[12:35] <Triffid_Hunter> ripzay: /query chanserv ghost nickname password or similar works here if you have it registered
[12:35] <ripzay> quakenet doesn't have nickserv or chanserv
[12:35] <IalexI> ripzay, so its an inferior network ;)
[12:35] <ripzay> you can't reserve a nick
[12:36] <Triffid_Hunter> ripzay: srsly? that's crazy, I thought services became standard in the previous decade :/
[12:36] <IalexI> Triffid_Hunter, ircnet also does not have these kind of services
[12:36] <IalexI> Triffid_Hunter, efnet, too..
[12:37] <ripzay> i think it's freenode that's more different than quakenet is tbh
[12:37] <Triffid_Hunter> crazyness, remind me not to go there
[12:37] <ripzay> (from the norm i mrean)
[12:37] <ripzay> mean*
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[12:38] <ripzay> i've been on quakenet since i was 13y/o, i'm mainly there for the people i know, not the people i don't
[12:38] <ripzay> i'm on here for the people i don't know
[12:38] <ripzay> i.e. you lot.
[12:38] <ripzay> :D
[12:38] <ripzay> freenode is more civilized than quakenet
[12:38] <ripzay> (in my experience)
[12:39] <Triffid_Hunter> yeah, because we have services
[12:39] <ripzay> quakenet has services
[12:39] <IalexI> anyway, if you use the overclock function of raspian, does this also change the frequency of the cpu in idle mode?
[12:39] <ripzay> they just don't operate the same rules as nickserv and chanserv
[12:39] <rymate1234> ive never been to quakenet
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[12:39] <IalexI> I used the 1 ghz oc, and it seems that 700 mhz are the min frequency
[12:39] <ripzay> most of the rules are the same, you just can't reserve a nick on quakenet
[12:39] <Triffid_Hunter> IalexI: depends.. there's one mode where the cpu clock stays at a fixed amount, and there's another mode where it goes up and down as necessary.. need recent firmware for the latter I think
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[12:40] <IalexI> Triffid_Hunter, if I interpret the parameters in /sys correctly, it goes down to 700 MHz
[12:40] <IalexI> Triffid_Hunter, do you happen to know whats the stock setting?
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[12:42] <Triffid_Hunter> IalexI: 700MHz is stock last time I checked
[12:42] <IalexI> Triffid_Hunter, also in idle?
[12:42] <Triffid_Hunter> IalexI: it only runs one speed stock
[12:43] <IalexI> I see
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[12:43] <IalexI> Could one lower the power consumption even more with a lower frequency in idle?
[12:44] <IalexI> and if yes, why hasn't this been done?
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[12:47] <dreamreal> IalexI: what kind of power consumption problems are you having?
[12:53] <Triffid_Hunter> IalexI: yes. reducing core voltage and frequency will reduce power consumption
[12:53] <Triffid_Hunter> IalexI: probably not nearly as much as disabling the ethernet though
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[13:27] <Hazza> hello
[13:28] <Julius-ZM> Hazza: Hello
[13:28] <Hazza> what file contains programs to startup?
[13:30] <Draylor> generally /dev/mmcblk0p1
[13:30] <Hazza> thanks
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[13:32] <Hazza> what about from the console on raspbian
[13:32] <Hazza> I want to add amixer cset=3 1
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[13:33] <Hazza> on boot thus setting 3.5mm as default output on boot
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[13:35] <Firehopper> hazza thats prolly a command you can put in a script somewhere
[13:35] <Firehopper> in the /etc dir I think
[13:35] <Hazza> yep
[13:35] <Firehopper> theres .d files there
[13:36] <Firehopper> I think
[13:36] <Firehopper> if I remember linux correctly
[13:36] <Hazza> what file is it though?
[13:36] <Firehopper> I think it might be local.d or something. I dont remember exactly
[13:36] <Firehopper> its been so long
[13:37] <Hazza> rc.local?
[13:37] <Firehopper> that sounds like a possibility
[13:37] <Hazza> thanks thats jogged my memory
[13:37] <Firehopper> welcome :)
[13:37] <Hazza> I'm pretty sure its rc.local
[13:38] <jelly1> don'
[13:38] <jelly1> don't start programs in rc.local
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[13:38] <Hazza> why?
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[13:38] <jelly1> it's bad
[13:38] <Hazza> ok where
[13:39] <jelly1> either created a rc.d / init file
[13:39] <jelly1> Hazza: if your just setting amixer=3 1 it's 'sort of' ok todo that in /etc/rc.local
[13:39] <jelly1> but it 's still abusing it ;)
[13:39] <Hazza> rc.local runs as root is that why its bad?
[13:40] <jelly1> one of the reasons
[13:40] <jelly1> plus a silly command in /etc/rc.local can stop the whole system or let it hang
[13:42] <Hazza> meh its works in this case
[13:42] <jelly1> yeah but it isn't proper
[13:43] <jelly1> Hazza: also your alsa settings should be saved
[13:43] <Hazza> why?
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[13:43] <jelly1> Hazza: sounds like your doing it wrong
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[13:43] <jelly1> Hazza: are you setting up the default soundcard?
[13:43] <Hazza> setting default audio out
[13:44] <jelly1> http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=238064
[13:45] <jelly1> http://alsa.opensrc.org/FAQ026
[13:46] <Hazza> ah
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[13:55] <Hazza> hello
[13:57] <Hazza> i cant find the file asoundrc
[13:58] <Firehopper> you prolly have to create it
[14:00] <Hazza> I have found /etc/asound.conf though
[14:00] <jelly1> Hazza: use that one
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[14:02] <Hazza> ok 3.5mm is device 1 yer?
[14:02] <Hazza> hdmi=0
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[14:07] <IalexI> what is the best software for streaming internet radio?
[14:07] <IalexI> xmms2?
[14:07] <Triffid_Hunter> IalexI: I use mplayer
[14:07] <Hazza> mpd
[14:07] <IalexI> Triffid_Hunter, does it have an integrated list of stations?
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[14:07] <Hazza> mpd does
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[14:08] <IalexI> Hazza, mpd is a console app?
[14:08] <Triffid_Hunter> IalexI: no, closest you get is mplayer -loop 0 -playlist stations.m3u or similar
[14:08] <Hazza> yes but has many gui interfaces
[14:09] <Hazza> mpd is most popular radio and media app on linux
[14:09] <Triffid_Hunter> I must have another play with mpd now that my rpi isn't gonna try to fire my speaker cones across the room between every track
[14:09] <IalexI> Hazza, thanks
[14:10] <Hazza> np
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[14:17] <IalexI> Hazza, which gui do you recommend?
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[14:17] <Hazza> are you controlling from within raspberry pi or by android or?
[14:17] <IalexI> Hazza, raspberry
[14:17] <IalexI> Hazza, there is an android app?
[14:17] <Hazza> mpd is a music server btw can be controlled by anything
[14:17] <JohannesG> Triffid_Hunter the click between tracks is mostly gone
[14:17] <Hazza> yep
[14:18] <IalexI> cool ;)
[14:18] <Triffid_Hunter> JohannesG: yeah I grabbed a firmware update, is much better now
[14:18] <IalexI> Hazza, then I will try android
[14:18] <JohannesG> If you want it a lot better, get an external sound card :)
[14:18] <Hazza> mpdroid is my favouite
[14:19] <IalexI> JohannesG, does this also apply if you get the sound via hdmi?
[14:19] <Hazza> though droid mpd and others are good too
[14:19] <JohannesG> i'm using ncmpcpp on mac, sonata on my linux partition, and mPod on my iPod :)
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[14:19] <Hazza> no hdmi sound is good
[14:19] <JohannesG> IalexI, I haven't tested it myself but I have heard the sound is a LOT better through HDMI
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[14:19] <JohannesG> the main problem is the jack output on the Pi
[14:20] <Hazza> it was done to keep price down
[14:20] <JohannesG> yup
[14:21] <Hazza> quality is on par with fm radio and main problem is poping
[14:21] <Hazza> brb
[14:22] <JohannesG> well, the popping is barely a problem anymore.
[14:22] <Triffid_Hunter> well sure, hdmi audio leaves the DAC to some piece of external equipment, not done on the pi at all
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[14:27] <Hazza> an amp with glass tubes is needed for good audio
[14:27] <IalexI> Hazza, does mpdroid allow the selection of a radio station?
[14:27] <Hazza> yes
[14:28] <Hazza> all mpd clients should
[14:29] <IalexI> I cannot find it ;) Do I need to load a list of stations into mpd first?
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[14:31] <BlueMint> Hi, I'm australian and am looking to buy an RPi. Where should i buy it from to get fast shipping and cheap payment
[14:32] <Firehopper> try ebay.au?
[14:32] <Firehopper> or find someone selling one local?
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[14:33] <BlueMint> Firehopper, they sell for like 60 bucks there ): No where cheaper?
[14:33] <JohannesG> BlueMint, i live in Sweden in a town of 50 thousand people and there's a small electronics store here about 10 minute walk from me. I am pretty sure you can find one in your city (or nearby)
[14:33] <JohannesG> oh...
[14:34] <JohannesG> 60 aussie bucks?
[14:34] <Firehopper> I got mine from ebay, cause almost all the stores were sold out..
[14:34] <Firehopper> no local stores that had em either
[14:34] <Hazza> i live in australia
[14:34] <Hazza> cheapest you can get is element 14 for $50 with case
[14:34] <BlueMint> Yeah 60 is a lot :P
[14:34] <BlueMint> Hazza, what was the shipping like?
[14:34] <Firehopper> I paid $99 usd for a set,, it had the pi, case, power supply, keyboard, mouse, and hdmi cable.
[14:34] <JohannesG> I wouldn't say 60 bucks is all that bad. I paid a lot more to get mine to me when I lived in ICeland
[14:35] <Hazza> included
[14:35] <BlueMint> Yeah, element14 sounds like a good option
[14:35] <Firehopper> look for a bundle?
[14:35] <BlueMint> Firehopper, nah. Got everything really
[14:35] <JohannesG> i had nothing but problems with element14 :(
[14:35] <JohannesG> so from my personal experience, I would not recommend element14
[14:35] <Hazza> http://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/96672
[14:36] <Firehopper> http://www.flickr.com/photos/firehopper/8571797873/in/photostream < my rpi setyp :)
[14:36] <Hazza> element 14 and rs are only two official suppliers
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[14:36] <Hazza> owned by same company
[14:36] <BlueMint> Hazza, is that ozbargain one directly linked to element14?
[14:36] <BlueMint> Firehopper, that is so sexy.
[14:36] <BlueMint> Firehopper, wait, are you the guy who made the quadro?
[14:37] <JohannesG> Firehopper, my setup is a paper box in a closet :P
[14:37] <Hazza> yep ozbargain is community run website just posts good deals
[14:37] <BlueMint> Hazza, sweet, thankyou
[14:37] <Hazza> so just press link
[14:37] <IalexI> Firehopper, what kind of display is this?
[14:37] <Hazza> np
[14:37] <Hazza> laptop display
[14:37] <Hazza> ?
[14:37] <BlueMint> Hazza, wait sorry, how long did shipping take?
[14:38] <Firehopper> bluemint, quadro?
[14:38] <Hazza> expect one - two weeks if no delays
[14:38] <BlueMint> Firehopper, quadrocopter or something? No, not you? Whoops :)
[14:38] <Firehopper> IalexI, thats a old laptop lcd I recycled
[14:38] <BlueMint> Hazza, awesome :D
[14:38] <Firehopper> I made a hexocopter..
[14:38] <Firehopper> not with a rpi though
[14:38] <BlueMint> And can you keep these things on 24/7?
[14:39] <Firehopper> it has a arduino on it :)
[14:39] <Hazza> you would have spent a lot on adapter
[14:39] <BlueMint> Firehopper, yeah with an arduino
[14:39] <IalexI> Firehopper, how did you manage to be able to connect a hdmi cable to it?
[14:39] <BlueMint> Firehopper, heh. Yeah I researched the fuck out of your project. That's what got me into electronics about 1 and a bit years ago or something
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[14:39] <Hazza> custom made adapter for laptop display
[14:39] <Firehopper> I bought a adaptor for the lcd screen off ebay from china, it has hdmi/dvi/vga inputs
[14:39] <Hazza> they sell on ebay
[14:40] <Hazza> hep
[14:40] <IalexI> I see
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[14:40] <Hazza> cheaper buying lcd on its own
[14:40] <Firehopper> http://www.flickr.com/photos/firehopper/7742785042/in/photostream < heres the hexocopter
[14:40] <IalexI> But it doesn't look like a designer pc ;)
[14:41] <BlueMint> Firehopper, thanks for starting my hobby!
[14:41] <Firehopper> the lcd controller I got, cost $40, add another 5 for the 12 volt 4 amp supply for the lcd :)
[14:41] <Jck_true> Firehopper: Same - I gave like 35 USD to reuse an old 15 inch laptop LCD
[14:41] <ripzay> Firehopper
[14:41] <ripzay> are you single ?
[14:41] <Firehopper> mines a 17" laptop lcd :)
[14:41] <Jck_true> I power it straight off my ATX PSU i allready got on my desk
[14:41] <ripzay> i never find time to do awesome shit like that
[14:41] <Firehopper> yes I'm single :P
[14:41] <ripzay> lucky bastard
[14:41] <ripzay> :D
[14:42] <Firehopper> http://www.flickr.com/photos/firehopper/8407106634/in/photostream < working with these.
[14:42] <Firehopper> http://www.flickr.com/photos/firehopper/8623406348/in/photostream < and this atm...
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[14:42] <ripzay> at first glance i thought they were phase change coolers
[14:42] <ripzay> they are big LEDs!
[14:43] <Firehopper> yup, 2 10 watt leds, 800 lumens each
[14:43] <ripzay> 10/10 should fit to the end of a telescope
[14:43] <Jck_true> Damm
[14:44] <ripzay> (to focus the beam)
[14:44] <ripzay> :D
[14:44] <Firehopper> I have special lenses/reflectos..
[14:44] <Jck_true> ripzay: Sounds mighty safe :P
[14:44] <Firehopper> reflectors rather
[14:44] <ripzay> what are you actually going to use them for ?
[14:44] <BlueMint> Sorry, I'm at the checkout of element14. I just wanna confirm a few things. 1) Can the RPi be left on forever? 2) Can I use a HDMI cable to connect it straight to my HDMI monitor (1920x1080) 3) will my wireless keyboard and mouse be able to plug straight into it?
[14:44] <Firehopper> I'm gonna build a flash light with em :)
[14:44] <ripzay> :o
[14:44] <Firehopper> 12 volt twin led flash light :)
[14:44] <Jck_true> BlueMint: 1) Yes - If you get a solid powersupply
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[14:45] <Triffid_Hunter> BlueMint: yes, yes, 95% yes
[14:45] <ripzay> 800 lumens is almost enough to make a pretty decent projector
[14:45] <Jck_true> BlueMint: 2) Yes
[14:45] <Viper7> BlueMint: yes yes and yes, tho unclean shutdowns (power failures) may cause corruption on the SD card causing failure to boot again
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[14:45] <Firehopper> get a usb hub..
[14:45] <Viper7> as for LEDs, http://www.aliexpress.com/item/High-Power-LED-Chip-50W-Full-Color-LED-RGB-Light-Lamp-Bright-Light-JS0252/720570743.html
[14:45] <ripzay> (if you can focus the beam)
[14:45] <Firehopper> and a usb wifi dongle too :)
[14:45] <Viper7> Application: Fish tank lighting - that darn thing would work as fish tank heater too! :P
[14:45] <ripzay> fish tank lighting
[14:45] <ripzay> AT SEA WORLD
[14:45] <Viper7> haha
[14:46] <BlueMint> wow, so many replies. Good channel here :P And will an iPhone charger USB wall plug work? And does it come with an SD card?
[14:46] <Viper7> blue whale tank lighting
[14:46] <Firehopper> http://www.flickr.com/photos/firehopper/8623406348/in/photostream < it would be funny to use a rpi as a print server for this :)
[14:46] <Triffid_Hunter> BlueMint: probably. no.
[14:46] <Viper7> BlueMint: yes and no
[14:46] <Firehopper> most dont come with a sd card..
[14:46] <Firehopper> Mine did. but most dont
[14:46] <Viper7> BlueMint: i pretty much exclusively use iphone chargers with mine, but you'll need your own SD
[14:46] <Jck_true> BlueMint: Check the rating - If it's more than ~700mA it will work
[14:46] <ripzay> iphone charger will work, but not with high power usb periferals
[14:46] <Triffid_Hunter> BlueMint: I have a sony class 4 from a local supermarket in mine, works fine
[14:46] <Viper7> BlueMint: the very original version 1 ipod chargers have some issues
[14:46] <ripzay> i use an iphone charger and have no issues though
[14:46] <Viper7> anything newer than that is fine
[14:46] <Firehopper> powered usb hubs are a must with rpi's
[14:47] <Triffid_Hunter> BlueMint: strongly suggest 8G or more.. I have a 4G for mine, it's almost full already
[14:47] <ripzay> all 3 of my pi's just run off 1A phone chargers
[14:47] <Firehopper> I have a 4g and a 8g,
[14:47] <Firehopper> the 4g has openelec on it.. for use as a media center if I decide to..
[14:47] <Firehopper> the 8g has raspbian on it
[14:48] <ripzay> i have a mix of class 4 and class 10.. and tbh i haven't seen much of a difference between either in terms of performance
[14:48] <ripzay> both same size and brand
[14:48] <BlueMint> Will a micro work with a full size adpater?
[14:48] <ripzay> yes
[14:48] <Viper7> BlueMint: a tip, you can get half length microsd card adapters, that will let you put a microsd card in the rpi sd slot, without having half the card hang out like normal
[14:48] <BlueMint> Viper7, thanks :))
[14:49] <Jck_true> BlueMint: Oh and the MicroUSB cable - Make sure you get a high quality one
[14:49] <Hazza> I cant find a use for my Pi atm I find too underpowered for Gui stuff and for electronics arduino is better
[14:49] <Viper7> be warned that compatibility with microsd cards supposedly isnt as great tho (not that ive had or seen an issue using any old junk cards i find)
[14:49] <Jck_true> Hazza: Webserver?
[14:49] <Viper7> +1 for microusb cable
[14:49] <BlueMint> Jck_true, there's bad microUSB cables? ): I probably have all of them then
[14:50] <Hazza> I would need to register for domain
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[14:50] <BlueMint> Hazza, I'll buy it off you ;)
[14:50] <Hazza> ;)
[14:50] <Jck_true> BlueMint: Too thin wires - Results in voltage drop when the rasp draws current :)
[14:50] <Viper7> i have hundreds of mini-usb, but had to get a micro-usb specially for the pi, plus i've heard issues of people reporting voltage drops when using poor quality cables, since the pi up to around 700mA, which exceeds USB specs
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[14:51] <ripzay> i had the same problem Hazza
[14:51] <Hazza> is this your first pi?
[14:51] <Jck_true> Hazza: Why? dyndns? .tk domains?
[14:51] <ripzay> so i turned them all into openelec endpoints
[14:51] <ripzay> and put them in various rooms
[14:51] <Hazza> meh router has webserver
[14:51] <Jck_true> Hazza: Your router runs PHP? :P Nice
[14:51] <Hazza> that is what I will do but its to laggy imo
[14:51] <BlueMint> so Pi need 5V at 700mA?
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[14:52] <Hazza> yep and ftp and torrent manager and media centre and nas in one
[14:52] <Hoerie> <Viper7> i have hundreds of mini-usb, but had to get a micro-usb specially for the pi, plus i've heard issues of people reporting voltage drops when using poor quality cables, since the pi up to around 700mA, which exceeds USB specs <-- wouldn't the cables for phone chargers rated for > 1A be of better quality?
[14:52] <Jck_true> BlueMint: Approx yes :)
[14:52] <Jck_true> Hoerie: They would yes - But china specs you know :P
[14:52] <Jck_true> Hoerie: And you can't really tell - The phone will still charge even if there's a drop
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[14:53] <Viper7> Hoerie: yes
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[14:53] <Viper7> Hoerie: so if you have a new phone that uses micro-usb for charging, the cable it came with should be fine
[14:53] <Hoerie> true, but people would probably complain if their phones were charging really slowly
[14:53] <Viper7> but many/most aftermarket ones can be inferior
[14:54] <Viper7> Hoerie: they probably wouldnt notice, the phone wouldnt care much, just yeah it'd charge a little slower
[14:54] <Viper7> 10% isnt much for a user to percieve
[14:54] <Viper7> but its plenty to crash a pi if voltage is 10% lower than spec
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[14:55] <Hoerie> so what happens; the cable heats up and resistance increases?
[14:56] <Viper7> yep, and the higher resistance means lower voltage to the pi
[14:56] <Viper7> and the pi is pretty picky about its supply voltage, since it doesnt have a "real" supply onboard
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[14:57] <Hoerie> but at 5V 750mAh that would have to be a really thin cable wouldn't it?
[14:58] <Jck_true> Hazza: I use mine for displaying PDF files on my desk
[14:58] <ripzay> or really long
[14:58] <ripzay> :P
[14:58] <Hazza> why?
[14:58] <Jck_true> Hazza: Datasheets etc :)
[14:58] <Hazza> ah ok
[14:58] <ripzay> clearly also in the awesome situation of being single
[14:58] <BlueMint> Wow, element14 really don't offer good value when it comes to SD cards
[14:59] <Jck_true> FTP upload the files to the pi - And flip between the pages with an old remote
[14:59] <Hoerie> a really long cable would have a higher resistance to begin with though
[14:59] <ripzay> SD cards arent really their market, BlueMint
[14:59] <ripzay> you'll be best off going to a computer supplier for that sort of thing
[14:59] <Triffid_Hunter> I run power direct into the GPIO port
[15:00] <Jck_true> I've used a 2?? meter high quality USB extension cable - No problem - And i've used 50cm micro usb cables that couldn't keep 4.0V
[15:00] <Triffid_Hunter> see http://triffid-hunter.no-ip.info/101_0059.JPG
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[15:00] <ripzay> does that bypass the polyfuses Triffid_Hunter ?
[15:00] <Jck_true> Triffid_Hunter: Same - I run mine off the standby pin on an ATX psu
[15:00] <ripzay> because you're putting power in on the other side
[15:01] <ripzay> or are the GPIO pins directly connected to the micro USB ?
[15:01] <Triffid_Hunter> ripzay: probably
[15:01] <Jck_true> I run a secondary 1amp fuse
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[15:06] <DeliriumTremens> poopacabra
[15:06] <chupacabra> yo
[15:10] <Triffid_Hunter> ripzay: all I know is I have it hooked to a cheap chinese tablet charger and it's rock solid
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[15:13] <chupacabra> pihole.mooo.com
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[15:18] <steve_rox> anything fun going on?
[15:19] <BlueMint> I JUST PURCHASED A MOTHERFUCKING RASPBERRY PI!! :)
[15:19] <steve_rox> time for that ban on you
[15:19] <kkit> please tone down the language, BlueMint
[15:19] <BlueMint> Oh
[15:19] <BlueMint> Sorry, I didn't realise this was a no swearing channel :/
[15:19] <steve_rox> takes a while to get used to
[15:20] <BlueMint> steve_rox, heh, yeah
[15:21] <Jck_true> Why doesn't C have a GOTO instruction...
[15:21] <steve_rox> wish i could play fraps vids natively on the rpi
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[15:24] <jelly1> Jck_true: it has
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[15:25] <[deXter]> BlueMint, It should be obvious.. the Pi was originally targeted at kids, and this is the official channel..
[15:25] <steve_rox> check the room title on that
[15:25] <steve_rox> haha
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[15:25] <[deXter]> Well, official unofficial channel. :P
[15:25] <Jck_true> Wait what...
[15:25] <Jck_true> C has GOTO?!?
[15:26] <steve_rox> :-)
[15:26] <Jck_true> How did I not notice...
[15:26] <BlueMint> Jck_true, isn't goto very bad to use?
[15:26] <[deXter]> Jck_true, Because you've been living a lie all these years, someone went to great lengths to coverup the biggest secret in history!
[15:26] <[deXter]> And for a good reason..
[15:27] <[deXter]> Now that you've found out the truth, your life will never be the same again.
[15:27] <Jck_true> BlueMint: Well - Writing code for a 2Kb MCU - I'm afried i'll need it
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[15:28] <jelly1> BlueMint: goto isn't bad
[15:28] <Triffid_Hunter> BlueMint: the only valid use of goto is for falling through to an error routine before returning from a function (ie C version of try.. catch), and 99% of the time there's a better way to do even that
[15:28] <Jck_true> insane - I've written embedded C for like 2 years - and haven't discovered
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[15:28] <Davespice> BlueMint: just watch the language in here okay, there are kids
[15:28] <jelly1> Triffid_Hunter: exactly
[15:29] <jelly1> Jck_true: read K&R then :P
[15:29] <Jck_true> jelly1: What you think i'm doing right now?
[15:29] <jelly1> googling?
[15:29] <Jck_true> K&R ;)
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[15:30] <Jck_true> but aint Goto a mess for the compiler with the stack anyway...
[15:31] <jelly1> don't think so
[15:31] <jelly1> Jck_true: assembly uses goto all the time
[15:31] <Jck_true> yeah I know
[15:31] <Jck_true> But you still gotta bring the stack to a known point
[15:31] <Jck_true> Ehh it's been a long day
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[15:33] <Triffid_Hunter> Jck_true: nup just has to pop everything between current scope and the scope of the goto target
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[15:34] <Jck_true> Doh! yeah it doesn't have to push anything on the stack
[15:34] <Jck_true> Nevermind me being a retard
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[15:40] <mgottschlag> I still wonder how goto can be implemented for C++ compilers though
[15:40] <mgottschlag> actually, I bet that it is just something along the lines of "use it and expect memory leaks"
[15:41] <Hoerie> isn't a goto pretty much similar to a jmp anyhow?
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[15:42] <Jck_true> Hoerie: You gotta clean up the stack still
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[15:43] <Hoerie> I guess the true C spirit would be to leave that up to the coder
[15:43] <Jck_true> C... We just make it so that you don't have to memorize all the instructions on your CPU....
[15:45] <Triffid_Hunter> C gives no direct access to the stack, compiler would have to clean up for you
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[15:49] <Hoerie> I see that in C++ you can only goto to a label in the same function and cannot jump over variable initialisation, so that restricts the evilness by a lot
[15:49] <Jck_true> Well :) I just introduced the first GOTO in our company code :P
[15:49] <Triffid_Hunter> same in C, can only jump within a function
[15:49] <Jck_true> I searched roughly 50 000 lines of C code
[15:50] <Triffid_Hunter> Jck_true: do you feel dirty?
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[15:50] <Jck_true> Triffid_Hunter: Loving it ;)
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[15:51] <IalexI> wtf.. I just discovered that C has functions. Now I will never need gotos again :p
[15:51] <Jck_true> IalexI: Functions create overhead! You shouldn't use them
[15:51] <Jck_true> They make your program slow!
[15:52] <IalexI> Jck_true, actually, the opposite is the case with modern processors ;)
[15:52] <IalexI> hmm, does prolog have a goto? this would shock me, actually
[15:52] <Jck_true> IalexI: Why you think the invented the preprocessor? :P
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[15:53] <Jck_true> the preprocessor is for code reuse - Functions are just there to show off some slow cpu features
[15:53] <Jck_true> I'll stop being a tool now
[15:53] <Hoerie> I don't think prolog has them
[15:54] <IalexI> well, actually, I have no idea how functions are implemented in assembler.. it should be a jmp and usage of the stack. a goto statement is simply a jmp?
[15:55] <Hoerie> I susprect there's slightly more than just a jmp
[15:55] <Triffid_Hunter> IalexI: most cores have a function call instruction that pushes the PC onto the stack before jumping
[15:55] <IalexI> however, I somewhere read that gotos mess up the branch prediction of cpus, thus, resulting in a lower performance
[15:56] <Hoerie> goto's are usually said to be fast though, I guess modern optimisations may be thrown off balance though
[15:57] <Hoerie> <Triffid_Hunter> IalexI: most cores have a function call instruction that pushes the PC onto the stack before jumping <-- that triggered a flashback to some of my uni assembler labcourses ;-)
[15:57] <IalexI> Triffid_Hunter, what do you mean with PC in this context? ;)
[15:57] <Hoerie> program counter
[15:57] <Triffid_Hunter> IalexI: program counter.. the address of the instruction following the function call
[15:58] <Hoerie> or instruction pointer
[15:58] <Triffid_Hunter> IalexI: so the core's return instruction can pop the stack into the PC
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[16:00] <Jck_true> IalexI: Start from epsode 233 and move forward :) http://www.grc.com/sn/past/2010.htm
[16:00] <Hoerie> ah yes, powerpc only had branch instructions and no separate jmp, jsr and rts instructions
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[16:02] <IalexI> Jck_true, maybe some other time.. I am not too interested in assembler ;)
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[16:02] <Jck_true> IalexI: No worries :)Like 4 audio episodes - Takes you through the stack, hardware interrupts etc :)
[16:02] <MalMen> what is the software to flash sdcard on windows ?
[16:03] <Jck_true> Win32DiskImager
[16:04] <IalexI> Jck_true, I just had a look.. thanks ;)
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[16:07] <MalMen> thank you :)
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[16:36] <aDro> Anyone know about hooking up a simple beeping speaker to the RPI via GPIO?
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[16:37] <IT_Sean> you mean... just a speaker? directly on a GPIO output?
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[16:38] <aDro> Like a speaker you'd find in a computer case for the POST Beep.
[16:38] <IalexI> I would like to send my monitor, which is connected via hdmi, to standby after a period of time of no keyboard/mouse actions in x11
[16:38] <mgottschlag> aDro: be careful about maximum currents through the speaker
[16:39] <DeliriumTremens> wut, why is all the merchandise gone from the pi store?
[16:39] <mgottschlag> the pi cannot handle more than a couple of mA, you would have to use a transistor
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[16:39] <Triffid_Hunter> IalexI: xset dpms ... works on my laptop, haven't tried on the pi
[16:39] <Triffid_Hunter> from memory, when running X on the pi it kept same settings as the terminal
[16:39] <Triffid_Hunter> I did a setterm > /etc/issue so the screen would never turn off
[16:40] <Triffid_Hunter> does look a bit odd when I ssh in though
[16:40] <aDro> mgottschlag: This is the speaker in question http://i.imgur.com/M3uEFjZ.jpg
[16:40] <mgottschlag> check the resistance
[16:40] <aDro> mgottschlag: I was just wondering is anyone had done this before, if not I will post a tutorial of my own after I figure it out.
[16:40] <aDro> mgottschlag: Thanks for the advice.
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[16:42] <Hazza> hello
[16:42] <Hazza> how do I set default audio device on pi to headphones so I dont have to type in comand every boot
[16:43] <pksato> put command that you need to type every boot on /etc/rc.local (before exit, and if is raspbian)
[16:45] <Hazza> cannot do that - as airplay starts via /etc/init.d and begins before rc.local is run
[16:45] <IalexI> Triffid_Hunter, this doesn't work..
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[16:45] <Hazza> I need to permanently get alsa to recognise headset as default audio device
[16:45] <IalexI> there is a way to do this with tvservices -o / -p
[16:45] <Triffid_Hunter> Hazza: or simply make a service that starts before airplay
[16:46] <IalexI> however, I have no idea how to tell x11 to execute these commands
[16:46] <Hazza> how?
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[16:46] <pksato> Hazza: you is using HDMI out?
[16:46] <Hazza> headset
[16:46] <Triffid_Hunter> IalexI: make a thing in ~/.config/autostart/
[16:46] <pksato> and, HDMI is a TV set?
[16:46] <Hazza> 3.5mm
[16:47] <IalexI> Triffid_Hunter, these scripts need to be executed upon "screensaver on/off"
[16:47] <pksato> Hazza: you is using HDMI display out? and its is a TV set?
[16:47] <Hazza> I should be able to modify /etc/asound.conf
[16:47] <IalexI> Triffid_Hunter, if I execute them manually from the command prompt, it works.. but this is kinda .. :p
[16:47] <Hazza> no I said 3.5mm
[16:48] <pksato> Hazza: you is using HDMI display to screen out? and its is a TV set?
[16:48] <Hazza> 3.5mm is the audio jack not hdmi
[16:48] <Hazza> no ssh and 3.5mm
[16:49] <IalexI> by the way, was the 2nd smaller chip on the pcb?
[16:49] <IalexI> just beside the usb ports?
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[16:49] <Triffid_Hunter> IalexI: hm, never used a screensaver on linux
[16:50] <IalexI> Triffid_Hunter, I would like to use the pi as thin client for rdp
[16:50] <pksato> if no display connected to HDMI, default audio out is a phone jack.
[16:50] <IalexI> Triffid_Hunter, turning of the monitor is the last piece of the puzzle to solve..
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[16:52] <IalexI> guys, I really need some help... http://pastebin.com/6kqar4ih . these 2 scripts work to turn off/on the hdmi monitor. how can I use this as x11 screensaver?
[16:53] <IalexI> I have used google for about an hour now.. it cannot be so complicated
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[16:58] <kkit> IalexI, xlock *might* support that
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[16:59] <pksato> IalexI: xlock or xscreensaver use a external program to show engergy waster program.
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[17:11] <IalexI> kkit, pksato: it almost works :p
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[17:14] <IalexI> yep, it finally works... have a look at http://pastebin.com/UvJdTT8J, if you are interested
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[17:21] <Hazza> woooooooo! it worked :D
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[17:49] <Duality> i created a startup script for mopidy but it won't start at reboot ?
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[18:11] <IalexI> How can I run a script upon startup of x11?
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[18:13] <IalexI> I have created a .xinitrc file in the pi home dir and made it executable.. it simply does not work
[18:14] <Triffid_Hunter> IalexI: you need a .desktop file in ~/.config/autostart/, that's how I set my background image
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[18:50] <Tm0> Hi everyone, can someone tell me if what I'm asking in this Reddit post works for the usage I want it to be? http://www.reddit.com/r/raspberry_pi/comments/1bzwfy/pi_inquiry/ Thank you in advance.
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[18:57] <Tm0> Also, to my last question, would I be able to do that with both models? What's the main difference?
[18:58] <bin_bash> well
[18:59] <bin_bash> i wouldn't use it for streaming via web-browser
[18:59] <Tm0> What would you think the best course would be? VLC? They will be running without a screen so I'm not sure if I can do that. :/
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[19:04] <kkit> depends how you're playing the stream
[19:04] <kkit> most of the browser ones depend on flash, which is a no-go on the pi
[19:05] <kkit> if you can play it through mplayer then it should be fine
[19:05] <Tm0> I can set up the stream any way I like. I'm sure I could find a flashless way to stream my content.
[19:06] <NaudibleMason> java applet perhaps
[19:06] <kkit> maybe you want something like MPD?
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[19:07] <Tm0> Both would work fine I think.
[19:08] <Tm0> Like I can stream any way I want to. Basically it's for my college radio, and we don't do airwaves, so we have to sell kits for people's offices and such.
[19:09] <Tm0> But can I use the wait and open command to create a .sh file to run at startup?
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[20:15] <stoiss> Hmm does anyone know if raspberry pi are particular good for things like hashcracking ?
[20:16] <pksato> if you have one milions of rpi, I thick, is possible.
[20:16] <buzzsaw> yeah thats not going to be a good idea stoiss...
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[20:19] <Firehopper> rpi dont have enough power for that
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[20:19] <Tachyon`> it'll do it just fine, but perhaps not in a timely fashion
[20:20] <MilkyTunes> I think a loop is missing in server_forever() in MagPi issue 10, page 35
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[20:20] <MilkyTunes> Python pit :)
[20:20] <MilkyTunes> is that right?
[20:21] <MilkyTunes> serve_forever(), fixed
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[20:24] <tdy_> if you look at how it's used in practice, serve_forever() isn't actually called by the user
[20:24] <tdy_> the user calls initialise() and it looks like server_thread is what's daemonized
[20:24] <stoiss> buzzsaw, care to elaborate on why it wouldnt be a good idea ?
[20:24] <tdy_> but.. try it and see
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[20:27] <MilkyTunes> tdy_, I already tried it, server only accepts one connection since the listening thread dies after accpeting it
[20:27] <tdy_> then, i think you have your answer already
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[20:30] <MilkyTunes> actually, it's accepting more, but message is only printed once :)
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[20:33] <stoiss> buzzsaw, Isnt the raspberry pi GPU strong enough to make a significant diffrence in hashing ?
[20:33] <gordonDrogon> stoiss, if only you could use it ...
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[20:34] <coolty> hello
[20:34] <stoiss> what do you mean gordonDrogon ?
[20:34] <jelly1> stoiss: that you will have to used the closed source rpc
[20:34] <gordonDrogon> stoiss, you don't have a Pi, or have been living in a cave?
[20:34] <coolty> Is there any way to use the raspberry pi as a "USB to Serial" device?
[20:35] <IT_Sean> coolty: no
[20:35] <coolty> lies
[20:35] <IT_Sean> truth.
[20:35] <coolty> Why is it not possible?
[20:36] <IT_Sean> well... the raspi is a USB HOST. Not a USB CLIENT. So... there is no way for you to interface with it via USB from your PC.
[20:36] <IT_Sean> you could SSH into it, making it a sort of network to serial device, i suppose...
[20:36] <IT_Sean> but it is not possible to do what you are asking.
[20:36] <coolty> I see
[20:36] <coolty> I have a stelaris launchpad. I suppose it's possible to use that
[20:37] <coolty> but this would be the wrong channel for discussing that
[20:37] <IT_Sean> offtopic discussion is fine here
[20:37] <coolty> Oh i see
[20:37] <stoiss> gordonDrogon, i do have a pi.. its currently streaming free movies but did i miss out on anything big ?
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[20:37] <coolty> Have you used the launchpad?
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[20:37] <coolty> it's the arm cortex based one
[20:38] <IT_Sean> but, i personally have no idea what a stelaris launchpad is
[20:38] <coolty> it was a $5 microcontroller
[20:38] <coolty> kind of like an arduino
[20:38] <IT_Sean> ahh
[20:38] <gordonDrogon> stoiss, there is no easy way to get direct access to the GPU.
[20:38] <IT_Sean> I see
[20:38] <IT_Sean> No, i have not used one.
[20:38] <coolty> this thing: http://www.ti.com/ww/en/launchpad/stellaris_head.html?DCMP=stellaris-launchpad&HQS=stellaris-launchpad-b
[20:39] <IT_Sean> you do know that you can get a USB to Serial adapter for under $5, right?
[20:39] <stoiss> gordonDrogon, I see. but at least it should outperform rigs of equal value moneywise.
[20:39] <coolty> not in my town you can't
[20:39] <jelly1> on the internet you can
[20:39] <coolty> and I don't want to wait 5 months to order it online
[20:40] <ReggieUK> ?
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[20:40] <IT_Sean> 5 months? where do you live!? Antarctica!?
[20:40] <IT_Sean> I think you are being a bit dramatic...
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[20:40] <coolty> canada
[20:40] <coolty> lol
[20:40] <gordonDrogon> stoiss, equal value - possibly, but you can't get access to it.
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[20:43] <coolty> IT_Sean: You have any experience with 4D systems LCDs?
[20:44] <IT_Sean> Nope
[20:44] <gordonDrogon> if IT_Sean hasn't, then I have ..
[20:44] <coolty> gordonDrogon: I know you have, I was just on your website :P
[20:44] <gordonDrogon> :)
[20:44] <coolty> I have the uLCD32PTU
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[20:45] <coolty> I thought I bought everything I needed to use it, rPI, lcd...
[20:45] <coolty> But I have no way to actually _use_ the lcd until I program it via serial
[20:45] <gordonDrogon> yea, and you need Windows to do that.
[20:45] <coolty> And the PmmC loader won't work on linux
[20:45] <coolty> :(
[20:45] <coolty> well, there IS a linux build of it, but no such luck running it on the rpi
[20:46] <gordonDrogon> linux build of what?
[20:46] <coolty> pmmc loader
[20:46] <coolty> http://4d.websitetoolbox.com/post/PmmC-Loader-Open-Source-Edition-2161011
[20:46] <gordonDrogon> oh. I don't actually know about that stuff.
[20:46] <coolty> also, it's really old
[20:46] <gordonDrogon> I've only used the visiGenie stuff.
[20:46] <coolty> well visi-genie uses pmmc loader
[20:47] <coolty> but the windows version
[20:47] <gordonDrogon> you design/develop the display on a windows PC, upload that to the display then you can use it from a Pi under Linux.
[20:47] <coolty> yeah
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[20:48] <coolty> I have no idea why the intelligent displays aren't programmed to boot from uSD out of box
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[20:49] <Pinas> hello all
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[20:50] <gordonDrogon> I have no idea either...
[20:50] <Pinas> a little question. Are there some projects where I can use my raspberry in a distributed manner (maybe something like bitcoin or the like - something where I get something out (not necessarily money))
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[20:53] * Bitcoin is now known as Litecoin
[20:53] <Pinas> litecoin != bitcoin
[20:53] <Pinas> :D
[20:54] <stoiss> I just wish i could make raspbmc show the browsing results on my phone - so i could see which radio channels its playing.
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[20:54] <fryguy> stoiss: you should really just use openelc
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[20:55] <Torikun> openelec still better than raspbmc?
[20:55] <stoiss> fryguy, but id like my rasp to boot into the xbmc
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[20:56] <stoiss> i havent tried openelec but seeing as i got a SD card thats just being bored on the shelf.. I mean.. It cant hurt... its not like itll brick my rasp.
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[20:56] * IT_Sean is running openELEC
[20:56] <fryguy> stoiss: openelec boots directly into xbmc
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[20:57] <Pinas> well all this cryptocoin stuff is not really useful on a raspberry
[20:58] <IT_Sean> Pinas: the pi really hasn't got the CPU power for that kind of thing.
[20:58] <stoiss> fryguy, oh i thought it would be a OS like debian for raspberry
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[20:58] <fryguy> stoiss: no
[20:58] <fryguy> openelec is a purpose built xbmc distribution
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[20:59] <Pinas> IT_Sean - yea you are probably right, I was just looking for something to "nerd into" :D
[20:59] <Pinas> :(
[21:00] <IT_Sean> There is a lot of "nerdy" things you can do with a Pi, but... distributed coprocessing is not really one of 'em
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[21:00] <stoiss> neat.. ty fryguy. ill defenetly give it a go.. Especially since its just installing to a second SD card. I wont even have to reinstall raspbmc..
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[21:01] <Pinas> IT_Sean the actual problem ist that I don't know what really to do with my raspberry (it was a present)
[21:01] <fryguy> Pinas: openelec is pretty nice
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[21:02] <Pinas> that a mediacenter right ??
[21:02] <IT_Sean> yes
[21:03] <Tachyon`> I did ponder making a pi cluster
[21:03] <IT_Sean> it's a dedicated xbmc distribution
[21:03] <Tachyon`> before I got the first pi and realised what a bad idea that was
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[21:03] <Pinas> I had a media center on the rasp (can't remeber the name) and I never used it. I just found the rasp in the cupboard and now I want to find something cool to do with it :D
[21:05] <fryguy> i use my media center (no longer a pi) for almost everything that I watch
[21:07] <DeliriumTremens> i made a bbs using a Pi, nobody uses it, gonna have to repurpose it
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[21:08] <stoiss> Pinas, Just install icefilms and 1channel addons on your rasp and its good to go.. I only got one but im dying to get my hands on more
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[21:10] <IT_Sean> I have about 600 gigs of TV and movies on a USB HDD, connected to my OpenELEC - running raspi
[21:11] <IT_Sean> which is hanging off my living room TV.
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[21:15] <rymate1234> My raspberry pi is a print server
[21:16] <bin_bash> a print server?
[21:16] <JohannesG> My Pi is a *-server
[21:16] <JohannesG> I can't decide what to use it for :P
[21:16] <JohannesG> so it changes roles almost daily
[21:17] <JohannesG> apart from being a music server. that's its primary purpose. mmmm sweet MPD
[21:18] <rymate1234> bin_bash: Pi has a printer connected to it
[21:18] <bin_bash> yeah i gathered that much
[21:18] <rymate1234> I set the pi up so the printer can be accessed across my home network
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[21:19] <drobban> sounds lika a waste of resources to me =)
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[21:20] <rymate1234> Lol
[21:21] <rymate1234> drobban: Only way to print from iPad
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[21:21] <drobban> =)
[21:22] <drobban> This is what you should do with a Pi. http://drobban.no-ip.org
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[21:22] <drobban> ;)
[21:23] <rymate1234> drobban: What even is that?
[21:23] <drobban> that turns my lights on/off. :)
[21:23] <drobban> High security on that automation project, isnt it =P
[21:23] <rymate1234> Lol
[21:24] <rymate1234> You should add a password
[21:24] <drobban> Havent implemented support for that yet in my http-server
[21:25] <rymate1234> You made your own http server?
[21:25] <rymate1234> O.l
[21:25] <rymate1234> O.o
[21:25] <drobban> with the help of libmicrohttpd
[21:26] <zarate> haha
[21:28] <drobban> ?
[21:30] <drobban> zarate: what was so funny :)
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[21:32] <zarate> nothing :3
[21:32] <drobban> someone is having fun alright, with my lamps at home
[21:33] <drobban> =)
[21:33] <zarate> put a webcam aha
[21:33] <zarate> :)
[21:34] <drobban> It cant be that funny =) is it?
[21:34] <bin_bash> i wish i didn't have to unplug the pi to power it off
[21:34] <bin_bash> i wish there was a button
[21:34] <drobban> cut the power cord, mount a button, problem solved =)
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[21:39] <pdg1> I'm trying to figure out if I'm able to get audio from the audio jack as well as the HDMI port. I feel like I must be looking in the wrong places :P
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[21:42] <IT_Sean> bin_bash: if it's a rev 2, there is a reset header.
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[21:44] <bin_bash> a reset header?
[21:44] <IT_Sean> yes
[21:44] <IT_Sean> you can add a reset button
[21:44] <bin_bash> idk which rev i have tbh
[21:45] <IT_Sean> you can also add a power switch to the power cable
[21:45] <IT_Sean> Just cut the vPOS lead, and add a toggle.
[21:46] <JohannesG> my dream scenario would be a power button that would first send a shutdown signal to the operating system, wait couple of seconds, and then kill the power
[21:46] <IT_Sean> JohannesG: I think someone's built exactly that.
[21:46] <IT_Sean> I think i saw it on hackaday... or possibly in the forums.
[21:46] <JohannesG> :)
[21:46] <JohannesG> nice
[21:47] <IT_Sean> I just cut the power cable and added a switch. :p
[21:47] <IT_Sean> As long as you do a safe shutdown first, that method is fine.
[21:49] <stoiss> Hmm does any mini usb B plugs exist thats for soldering ? i got a 5V 2A supply id love to use
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[21:51] <coolty> gordonDrogon: hi
[21:51] <gyeben> JohannesG: maybe you could take a look at PiSupply: http://www.pi-supply.com/what-is-it/
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[21:51] <gyeben> it's quite similar to your dream scenario but it seems a bit pricey
[21:53] <JohannesG> well, the dream scenario would be that the actual power supply would issue the "sudo halt" command. That pi-supply is still god damn sweet.
[21:53] <JohannesG> slightly pricey though yes
[21:53] * IT_Sean has a rather nice on/off switch he is going to use, but it hasn't got any of that fancy stuff... just cuts off the 5v coming in.
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[21:54] <bin_bash> has anyone had any problems with mechanical keyboards on their rasppi
[21:55] <IT_Sean> as long as it's just a normal USB keyboard, it should work.
[21:55] <IT_Sean> If it's got fancy features (ike backlighting, or an LCD display, or something crazy like that) it may draw too much power, and thusly would require a powered hub.
[21:55] <bin_bash> so
[21:56] <bin_bash> i have an IBM Model M
[21:56] <bin_bash> and
[21:56] <bin_bash> when it's plugged into the USB hib
[21:56] <bin_bash> hub*
[21:56] <bin_bash> it doesn't work properly
[21:56] <bin_bash> but when plugged in directly
[21:56] <bin_bash> it seems to work okay
[21:56] <IT_Sean> Is it a powered hub?
[21:56] <bin_bash> yep
[21:56] <IT_Sean> odd.
[21:56] <IT_Sean> I'd plug it in directly, then. Might be an issue with the hub.
[21:56] <bin_bash> i thought maybe the keyboard was broken at first
[21:56] <bin_bash> because it fell off the table
[21:56] <IT_Sean> Nah... sounds like the issue is the hub.
[21:56] <bin_bash> but then i plugged it into my laptop
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[21:56] <bin_bash> and it worked fine
[21:57] <bin_bash> the wireless mouse works fine plugged intp the hub
[21:57] <IT_Sean> You said it's a Model M, right? You could drop that thing off a cliff and it'd be fine. Was the floor okay!?
[21:57] <Julius-ZM> does anybody know this board? http://www.hardkernel.com/renewal_2011/products/prdt_info.php
[21:57] <bin_bash> lolol little chip in the concrete ;)
[21:57] <IT_Sean> Not surprised.
[21:57] <bin_bash> but yeah IT_Sean that's why I have it (and nostalgia reasons)
[21:57] <IT_Sean> My money would be on the hub. Might just be a weird incompatibility there.
[21:57] <IT_Sean> Is it a cheap hub?
[21:58] <pksato> floor cant damanged?
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[21:58] <markit> hi, what is the package with the kernel? dpkg -l | grep linux does not provide anything
[21:58] <markit> also aptitude search linux-image shows the available kernels but none with the "i" of installed
[21:59] <markit> uname -a shows 3.6.11... but where does it come from? :)
[21:59] <bin_bash> IT_Sean, yeah cheap
[21:59] <bin_bash> IT_Sean, weird thing is
[21:59] <IT_Sean> I would blame the hub
[21:59] <bin_bash> it was working just fine
[21:59] <bin_bash> until now
[21:59] <IT_Sean> weird.
[21:59] <bin_bash> yeah
[21:59] <IT_Sean> dunno what to tell you.
[22:00] <bin_bash> oh well
[22:00] <bin_bash> onto the next issue
[22:00] <bin_bash> my fonts look like shit
[22:00] <pksato> some cheap dont have real chip. a counterfake hub.
[22:01] <bin_bash> yeah could be
[22:01] <bin_bash> hm dhcp lease attempt failed
[22:03] <bin_bash> alright
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[22:03] <bin_bash> now
[22:04] <bin_bash> i gotta setup my gtk settings. yuck.
[22:07] <buzzsaw> stoiss: sorry I had to take a conference call. hopefully what others said answered your question
[22:07] <buzzsaw> in a nut shell, its the wrong device for the job :-)
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[22:13] <stoiss> buzzsaw, yeah aparently. But wouldnt that be a matter of drivers ? I mean.. Its still a GPU.. and a powerful one too. Shouldnt it be possible ?
[22:13] <IT_Sean> all the GPU related stuff is closed source
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[22:14] <stoiss> Ah. Well then its just a matter of somone reverseing it. Considering the potential. Id say it will be done
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[22:15] <IT_Sean> I wouldn't hold your breath. It may happen, but it's not going to happen overnight.
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[22:15] <buzzsaw> stoiss: there are likley better options
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[22:16] <buzzsaw> dont try to turn a hammer into a screwdriver just because its on sale ;-)
[22:16] <stoiss> buzzsaw, well some might take it as a challenge.. Im just supprised that somthing like this would be closed source
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[22:18] <buzzsaw> stoiss: fyi, #kali-linux might be a better place for more input than #backtrack-linux as backtrack is now considered a dead project ;-)
[22:18] <buzzsaw> plus, there is a kali image already crated for the rPi
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[22:19] <stoiss> yeah ive read about the kali project.. but i didnt know BT was dead
[22:19] <buzzsaw> jump on in the waters warm ;-)
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[22:33] <bin_bash> can someone tell me how this hello_audio thing is supposed to work
[22:34] <bin_bash> i dont even have that file
[22:35] <bin_bash> when i try to make
[22:35] <bin_bash> it says cannot find -lilclient
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[22:38] <linuxstb> bin_bash: Try running ./rebuild.sh in /opt/vc/src/hello_pi/
[22:39] <bin_bash> i would
[22:39] <bin_bash> if that existed.
[22:40] <bin_bash> wait nm. wrong dir
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[22:47] <bin_bash> okay so
[22:47] <bin_bash> hello audio works
[22:47] <bin_bash> but
[22:47] <bin_bash> when I play .flv files in omxplayer
[22:47] <bin_bash> soun does not
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[22:51] <pksato> bin_bash: omxplayer -o hdmi movie or omxplayer -o local movie
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[22:55] <bin_bash> also mp3s dont work in mocp
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[22:58] <bin_bash> also that omxplayer -o thing doesnt work
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[22:59] <pksato> bin_bash: you need sound out from ?
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[23:03] <bin_bash> pksato, hdmi
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[23:04] <bin_bash> i isntalled mpg321
[23:04] <bin_bash> but it says command not found
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[23:06] <bin_bash> oh it's mpg123
[23:06] <bin_bash> okay well that doesnt play sound either
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[23:20] <\\Mr_C\\> anyone know where i can get one of those add on cameras for the rpi 2 ver b?
[23:20] <ShiftPlusOne> You can't (yet)
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[23:21] <\\Mr_C\\> oh
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[23:24] <\\Mr_C\\> anyone got armed slack to work?
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[23:29] <bin_bash> ShiftPlusOne, still can't get sound to work properly but I got the hello_audio thing to play
[23:29] <ShiftPlusOne> bin_bash, posted about it on the forum yet?
[23:30] <bin_bash> No, I completely wiped and reimaged
[23:30] <bin_bash> because i thought you could be righ
[23:31] <bin_bash> so
[23:31] <bin_bash> i did the hdmi thing
[23:31] <bin_bash> and the hello_audio works
[23:31] <bin_bash> but mp3s dont play
[23:31] <ShiftPlusOne> ah, btw I never said anything about the filesystem, I think that was somebody else >_<
[23:31] <bin_bash> and .flvs play
[23:31] <bin_bash> oh
[23:31] <bin_bash> well whtever it was probably accurate
[23:32] <ShiftPlusOne> I'd focus on getting omxplayer -o hdmi working first.
[23:32] <bin_bash> oh
[23:32] <bin_bash> that works
[23:32] <bin_bash> I did it wrong the first time
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[23:33] <ShiftPlusOne> Sounds like it's just alsa that's not configured properly
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[23:33] <bin_bash> okay
[23:34] <bin_bash> how would I go about doing it properly
[23:34] <ShiftPlusOne> Don't know. When it comes to linux audio I just poke it an hope it works.
[23:34] <ShiftPlusOne> Maybe ask in #archlinux-arm
[23:34] <bin_bash> lol
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[23:47] <bin_bash> ShiftPlusOne, are you familiar with omxplayer &| tboplayer?
[23:48] <ShiftPlusOne> nope
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[23:48] <bin_bash> is there another video player I could use
[23:49] * ShiftPlusOne shrugs
[23:49] <ShiftPlusOne> My pi is headless D=
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[23:55] <bin_bash> ShiftPlusOne, got ay ideas where I could poke my alsa config?
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[23:56] <ShiftPlusOne> poke it right in the official raspberry pi forum where people know what they are doing (hopefully)
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[23:57] <ShiftPlusOne> and I am off. Good luck with it.
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[23:58] <bin_bash> lol
[23:58] <bin_bash> thanks
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