#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2013-04-11

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[0:00] <philluminati> Hi guys. Can someone tell me what is meant by "Debian (server)" distro. I get the feeling they don't mean Raspbain
[0:01] <D4CH_RPi> In what context?
[0:01] <philluminati> In the context of chosing a distro for running a webserver on a pi
[0:02] <D4CH_RPi> My guess is that if it says its for "Debian (server)" then I think its good enough for Raspbain
[0:03] <philluminati> http://www.reddit.com/r/raspberrypi/comments/qws14/which_distro_do_you_plan_to_use_for_raspberry_pi/c4e5kd8
[0:04] <philluminati> Also, Raspbian listed and Debian ARM are both listed: http://elinux.org/RPi_Distributions
[0:06] <philluminati> Thoughts?
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[0:10] <philluminati> I'll go with raspbian
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[0:14] <[Saint]> [10:02:44] <D4CH_RPi> My guess is that if it says its for "Debian (server)" then I think its good enough for Raspbain <--- it would be hard for this to make any less sense
[0:14] <[Saint]> debian is debian, raspbian is raspbian.
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[0:17] <[Saint]> debian == debian, raspbian == debian + <a whole truckload of other stuff designed to make it an educational release>
[0:17] <[Saint]> plus some branding, etc.
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[0:31] <wroberts1> wiringPiISR() seems to be ok with wiringPiSetup(), but not wiringPiSetupSys()
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[0:31] <mattwj2002> hi all
[0:32] <mattwj2002> I need more pis!
[0:32] <mattwj2002> :D
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[0:38] <Armand> Me too, mattwj2002.. lol
[0:38] <mattwj2002> how many do you have Armand?
[0:39] <Armand> 1. :/
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[0:39] <Armand> Don't have funds available yet.. I've put some money into my PDU, so I'll be able to power up to 60 rPi. ^_^
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[0:43] <mattwj2002> 60 rpis?
[0:43] <mattwj2002> :P
[0:43] <mattwj2002> hehe
[0:43] <mattwj2002> what are you starting a bakery?
[0:43] <mattwj2002> ;)
[0:44] <Firehopper> 1 is enough for me atm
[0:45] <mattwj2002> I want two more
[0:45] <mattwj2002> one for each tv
[0:45] <mattwj2002> :)
[0:45] <mattwj2002> I have one now
[0:46] <mattwj2002> they make awesome mythtv frontends
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[0:46] <tethra> I have 1, not doing so well with it though :(
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[0:47] <chupacabra> when i get my pi just the way i want is there some way to clone it to a coupla of SDs just in case?
[0:47] <chupacabra> dd ?
[0:47] <grantsmith> yep ^
[0:47] <mattwj2002> tethra: what is wrong?
[0:47] <mattwj2002> :-s
[0:48] <chupacabra> cool
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[0:50] <[Saint]> chupacabra: remember the dd command you (probably) used to get the image to the sdcard?
[0:50] <[Saint]> reverse if and of (input/output files)
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[0:50] <chupacabra> yup what I figured
[0:51] <[Saint]> keep in mind, though, if you expanded the image, you'll be making a dd of <whatever_size_your_sd_card_is> instead of ~1.9GB
[0:51] <[Saint]> so, it will take a fair bit longer.
[0:51] <chupacabra> sure
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[0:55] <Armand> mattwj2002, I take it I mentioned baked-pi before then? :P
[0:56] <mattwj2002> nope I don't think so
[0:56] <Armand> http://home.baked-pi.co.uk
[0:56] <mattwj2002> I was thinking bakeries have pi
[0:56] <Armand> I also have the .com ^_^
[0:57] <mattwj2002> nice
[0:57] <mattwj2002> :D
[0:57] <mattwj2002> is it hosted on a pi?
[0:57] <mattwj2002> ;)
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[0:59] <Tenkawa> greetings all
[1:00] <Tenkawa> any new developments in the 3.8 kernel area?
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[1:02] <[Saint]> Tenkawa: the repo is open to you as it is to us all
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[1:04] <Tenkawa> [Saint]: i know... it was a general q... i'm compiling 3.8.5 right now
[1:04] <[Saint]> Ahhhhh - so, an entirely useless question you already knew the anser to then ;)
[1:04] <Tenkawa> hopefully it will address my usb root issue
[1:05] <Tenkawa> [Saint]: only useless to you
[1:05] <Tenkawa> do
[1:05] <Tenkawa> er
[1:05] <Tenkawa> for me it answered many things
[1:05] <Tenkawa> heh
[1:05] <[Saint]> ...no it didn't.
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[1:05] <Tenkawa> firs
[1:06] <Tenkawa> t tgi
[1:06] <Tenkawa> wow my typing is bad tonight..
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[1:06] <Tenkawa> thats what i get for working 22
[1:06] <Tenkawa> hours too soon
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[1:07] <[Saint]> I think someone replaced your "," key with "Enter".
[1:07] <[Saint]> :)
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[1:09] <Tenkawa> indeed
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[1:57] <\\Mr_C\\> whats the command thats run on the first initial bootup so i can change the settings afain?
[1:57] <\\Mr_C\\> again
[1:58] <debenham> depends on what you have installed .
[1:58] <debenham> raspi-config is the one used if you are running raspian
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[1:59] <[Saint]> It also pays to do: "sudo wget http://goo.gl/1BOfJ -O /usr/bin/raspi-update && sudo chmod +x /usr/bin/raspi-update && raspi-update"
[2:00] <[Saint]> Oh, mah, that's my little twist...but, meh.
[2:00] <[Saint]> Its (IMO) a more sanely names rpi-update installation method.
[2:00] <[Saint]> *named
[2:01] <[Saint]> afaik raspbian doesn't come with rpi-update, so, you'll need to install/run it manually to update the firmware.
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[2:01] <[Saint]> "apt-get update/upgrade" only updates/upgrades the base install, not the firmware.
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[2:03] <[Saint]> Anyhoo...here: https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-update/blob/master/README.md
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[2:16] <windsurf_> reading a tutorial that's telling me to create a file in /etc/init/yourprogram.conf. For raspian would this be /etc/init.d/yourprogram.conf?
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[2:16] <windsurf_> nevermind
[2:16] <windsurf_> /etc/init
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[2:21] <\\Mr_C\\> i cant get this to work
[2:21] <\\Mr_C\\> pi@raspberrypi ~ $ raspi-update
[2:21] <\\Mr_C\\> !!! This tool must be run as root
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[2:21] <[Saint]> so, use it as root.
[2:22] <[Saint]> "sudo raspi-update"
[2:22] <\\Mr_C\\> oh
[2:22] <\\Mr_C\\> hehe
[2:22] <\\Mr_C\\> im so dumb
[2:22] <\\Mr_C\\> i was tpying su
[2:22] <[Saint]> A few general unix tutorials wouldn;t go astray.
[2:23] <\\Mr_C\\> thank you
[2:24] <\\Mr_C\\> so this firmware, is this something written to the onboard chips? or a temporary thing that i have to do again if i use another memory card?
[2:25] <[Saint]> its written to the boot partition of the sdcard.
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[2:35] <\\Mr_C\\> can i use the bootblock from that on another mem card?
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[3:11] <djMax> I'm trying to connect from node.js on my MacBook via the USB console cable to the pi. Is this possible? I don't get any response, even though "screen" works fine
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[4:15] <yeik> on an i2c device, using smbus, sometimes when i try to read from it i get an input/output error
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[4:35] <Henesy> So I have Crux Linux on a SD card, followed the instructions http://blog.christian-stankowic.de/?p=5360&lang=en and modified cmdline.txt to comply with http://crux-arm.nu/SupportedDevices/Raspberrypi
[4:35] <Henesy> It isn't booting, the monitor is blinking and the keyboard lights up and stays that way
[4:35] <Henesy> anything those instructions might have missed?
[4:36] <ShiftPlusOne> hi
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[4:37] <ShiftPlusOne> The instructions look fine
[4:37] <ShiftPlusOne> What do you mean by the monitor is blinking?
[4:37] <Henesy> the light that shows power blinks when the signal is inactive or can't be read
[4:38] <Henesy> and the keyboard lights light up and stay on rather than only scroll/num lock staying on
[4:38] <Henesy> the screen itself is black
[4:38] <Henesy> no change
[4:38] <MrTrick> Getting started with a RPi... I'll be running it entirely headlessly. Plug in network cable and ssh to it, no problem?
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[4:38] <ShiftPlusOne> A bit hard to tell with that information. What happens with the LEDs on the pi itself when you power it up?
[4:39] <ShiftPlusOne> MrTrick, that will work just fine.
[4:39] <[Saint]> MrTrick: is that a question?
[4:39] <MrTrick> cool.
[4:39] <ShiftPlusOne> As long as you can get the ip from your router.
[4:39] <MrTrick> that shouldn't be too much of a hassle.
[4:40] <MrTrick> Alternatively, what would be involved in setting up a static IP, from the SD card?
[4:40] <Henesy> one red one turns on and then it just stays on, none ofthe others come on
[4:40] <[Saint]> very easy to work out, even if you can't get to the router's config for whatever reason.
[4:40] <MrTrick> (eg rather than changing it from within the Rpi, ejecting and putting the card in a computer to make changes)
[4:41] <ShiftPlusOne> Henesy, sounds like it's not starting at all then. Sounds like it's not reading the sd card. Does regular raspbian work?
[4:41] <Henesy> raspbian, freebsd, they both work
[4:41] <Henesy> I have 3 SD cards
[4:41] <[Saint]> MrTrick: that's more hassle than doing it a conventional way.
[4:41] <Henesy> and I know this one works, it had slackware's image on it and it worked like a charm
[4:41] <[Saint]> Just check the router's config page - it'll tell you the IP of <whatever> is plugged in.
[4:42] <[Saint]> MrTrick: ^
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[4:42] <[Saint]> ask google if you can't remember the default address of the router
[4:42] <ShiftPlusOne> Henesy, How did you get the firmware files?
[4:43] <ShiftPlusOne> MrTrick, yes, you can use static IP as well, I just don't remember how. It's either a parameter you add to cmdline.txt or you just go into the filesystem and set up the config files there.
[4:44] <Henesy> ShiftPlusOne, I downloaded them from the links provided using "save link as" and then later curl via the "cliget" plugin for Firefox
[4:44] <ShiftPlusOne> did you get the 'raw' files?
[4:45] <Henesy> i believe so, the files acted as normal
[4:45] <[Saint]> ...compared to? :)
[4:45] <ShiftPlusOne> For example did you use https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/raw/master/boot/start.elf or https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/blob/master/boot/start.elf ?
[4:45] <Henesy> ShiftPlusOne, decompression worked fine, everything was there. cmdline.txt came up and edited fine
[4:45] <ShiftPlusOne> Oh, so you managed to boot it? O_o
[4:45] <Henesy> https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/tree/master/boot
[4:45] <Henesy> this is where I got them
[4:46] <Henesy> ShiftPlusOne, nonono, setting up the system on the SD card requires those
[4:46] <Henesy> ShiftPlusOne, http://blog.christian-stankowic.de/?p=5360&lang=en on this link
[4:46] <ShiftPlusOne> yes, we have some miscommunication here. It doesn't matter, your system isn't getting to the point of the filesystem or the kernel
[4:46] <ShiftPlusOne> So go back to the firmware, we need to make sure you did that right
[4:47] <Henesy> fdisk -> nuked partitions -> new table -> new partitions as instructed
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[4:48] <ShiftPlusOne> <ShiftPlusOne> For example did you use https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/raw/master/boot/start.elf or https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/blob/master/boot/start.elf ?
[4:48] <ShiftPlusOne> when downloading the files
[4:48] <Henesy> https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/tree/master/boot
[4:48] <Henesy> that link
[4:48] <Henesy> It was the one provided
[4:48] <ShiftPlusOne> you're not understanding my question. I don't know how else to word it.
[4:49] <[Saint]> but, there's various versions thereof, is the point.
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[4:49] <Henesy> I should favour the raw link then?
[4:49] <[Saint]> "that link" means nothing. As it points to both options ShiftPlusOne is mentioning here.
[4:49] <Henesy> use that one instead?
[4:49] <[Saint]> Yes.
[4:49] <Henesy> Lovely, I'll try that and be back
[4:50] <ShiftPlusOne> No, I just want to make sure you got the RAW files
[4:50] <ShiftPlusOne> not a github page of the file
[4:50] <ShiftPlusOne> The first link I gave would download a file, the second link would download a page
[4:50] <Henesy> aahhhhhh
[4:50] <Henesy> Alright
[4:50] <Henesy> I see what you mean
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[5:14] <[Saint]> Hexxeh: around?
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[5:14] <xrosnight> around :)
[5:15] <[Saint]> errrrr... Hexxeh == xrosnight ?
[5:15] <xrosnight> [Saint]: nope i am just make a response :P
[5:16] <[Saint]> Ah. Well. ...thanks? :)
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[5:18] <[Saint]> I have made some, and am making more changes to, rpi-update - and I was wondering if Hexxeh is interested in collaborating or if I should just fork and pave my own way.
[5:18] <[Saint]> so far, my experience with other raspberry pi tool authors and their code, specifically additions to it, leads me to consider the second option.
[5:19] <[Saint]> ...more than slightly defeatist, I'm aware.
[5:19] <ShiftPlusOne> Generally you do your own thing then if you would like to send them a change, you make the request through github and it's up to them if they want to merge it or not.
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[5:21] <[Saint]> Yeah - I'm aware - but since I saw him sitting here idling I thought I'd take a shot.
[5:21] <[Saint]> I have a bunch of raspi-config changes sitting there doing *nothing* >:(
[5:21] <[Saint]> ...and spindle
[5:22] <ShiftPlusOne> then send a pull request or whatever it's called
[5:22] <[Saint]> Been there, done that. ...sigh.
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[5:23] <[Saint]> I have discovered that it is possible to get rpi-update to:
[5:23] <ShiftPlusOne> Are you referring to spindle when you say that? asb doesn't seem to take requests, but I am guessing he has his own vision for what he wants and he gets 100s of people telling him how their favourite feature isn't there.
[5:23] <[Saint]> 1 - offer the user a selection between master and next branches
[5:24] <[Saint]> 2 - pull from the official repo without having to download the entire thing
[5:24] <ShiftPlusOne> how would you do 2?
[5:24] <[Saint]> sparse checkout
[5:24] <ShiftPlusOne> ok... no idea what that is, but sounds like it would work >.>
[5:26] <[Saint]> basically, you set up the git core to allow a sparse checkout (which iiuc (need to look into a little further) shouldn't hurt any other existing checkouts), then do a blank checkout and add the remote to it, then echo the list of files and directories to the checkouts config.
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[5:27] <[Saint]> then, it'll only pull those files/directories.
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[5:28] <[Saint]> ...that's a very poor description, but, unless there's something I'm missing (still cleaning up code, haven't pressed the fire button yet) it should be entirely possible.
[5:28] <ShiftPlusOne> Have you added the next/master selection code yet?
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[5:29] <[Saint]> Not yet - that's the trivial bit. I need to prove it'll work first.
[5:31] <[Saint]> I was looking into trying it with curl, but, it doesn't appear to be possible.
[5:31] <[Saint]> I know even less curl than I do git, though, so I'm awaiting guidance from Mr Stenberg himself
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[5:34] <[Saint]> ShiftPlusOne: also - yes - my dismay wrt: pull requests was indeed spindle-related
[5:35] <[Saint]> I added a few features to that - but my server is down for maintenance for a while so I'd need to pull the disks into a caddy to get to it.
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[5:37] <[Saint]> off the top of my head I made the username, password and hostname configurable and fixed up the many instances of code that assumes the user will always be called "pi", and I also added a (not terribly useful) option to configure the image size.
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[5:39] <[Saint]> Hmmmmm....seems that using curl might be a better option after all.
[5:39] * [Saint] tinkers.
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[7:36] <[Saint]> Grrrrrrrr...
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[7:37] <[Saint]> Spent the afternoon (well, an hour or so, really) plugging in all the raspi-specific stuff into a vanilla kernel and compiled - just to actually look at the raspi sources and see that everything for 3.8.4 is sitting there ready to go in the next branch.
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[7:39] <[Saint]> I probably should've paid more attention to some of the kernel options, though.
[7:39] <[Saint]> I went on a "Wooo! What's that? Do I need it? Yeah - Why not!" rampage.
[7:40] <[Saint]> The resultant kernel is massive.
[7:40] <[Saint]> Everything "works"...I mean, it boots, and everything /seems/ to run ok. But 'uname -a' makes the raspi fall over.
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[7:49] <Longhorn__> hello, anyone find their credentials change after running an update? it doesn't seem to let me log back in, eventhough previously I typed in the password in quite a few times
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[7:59] <chupacabra> credentials?
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[7:59] <chupacabra> sounds like M$
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[8:00] <Longhorn__> oh i found out what it was???UK keyboard...
[8:01] <chupacabra> cool
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[8:06] <[Saint]> Longhorn__: yeah - that's a non-obvious think that makes quite a few people cry wolf.
[8:07] <[Saint]> people assume that they should set the keyboard type to match their locale.
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[8:07] <BlueMint> does the RPi have a BIOS without the SD card in? or does it just not turn on?
[8:07] <[Saint]> ...when in reality, it is almost certain the keyboard layout will be en-us
[8:08] <Longhorn__> yea, it was set to UK eventhough I changed it to US the first time
[8:08] <[Saint]> BlueMint: no.
[8:08] <Longhorn__> but apparently it didn't stick, but after a firmware upgrade it looks like it did???and I had an '@' in my password :)
[8:08] <Longhorn__> which may be one of the few chars that are switched haha
[8:08] <[Saint]> everything the device requires to power up is located on the sdcard boot partition.
[8:08] <BlueMint> [Saint], okay thanks :)
[8:08] <Longhorn__> everything is always UK when I first install
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[8:09] * [Saint] decides that Longhorn__ must have an } in his password
[8:09] <[Saint]> or possibly a "
[8:10] <[Saint]> they always get flipped with us vs uk on my keyboards anyways...
[8:10] <adeus> "everything" is not of course completely accurate
[8:10] <adeus> there's the bootloader on the SoC
[8:10] <Longhorn__> it was supposed to be an '@' but it was a " haha
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[8:11] <Longhorn__> oh, well everything in the raspi-config???time zone, keyboard, locale
[8:11] <[Saint]> adeus: which tells it to look for the files it requires on the sdcard...
[8:11] <adeus> sure
[8:12] <[Saint]> OK. I'll re-phrase. "everything the device needs to do anything useful" :)
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[8:13] <[Saint]> The bulk of it simply boils down to: "Nope, son. She 'aint bootin' squat without the expected contents of the boot partition"
[8:14] <adeus> nor the is any place store stuff like the bios does
[8:15] <BlueMint> Whats the card slot in the middle of the board for?
[8:15] <BlueMint> Oh wait, there's 2
[8:16] <Jck_true> CSI and DSI
[8:16] <BlueMint> And what would they do?
[8:16] <Jck_true> Camera connector and Display Connector
[8:17] <Jck_true> There's no display supporting the DSI connector yet (And maybe there never will)
[8:17] <BlueMint> lol
[8:17] <Jck_true> The camera connector should have a camera module comming out this month
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[8:18] <BlueMint> how much would that cost?
[8:18] <Jck_true> BlueMint: It's said on the blog somewhere - 25-35 USD I think...
[8:18] <[Saint]> since you can't pipe to more than one output at once anyway - you may as well just use HDMI out - since lots and lots of displays accept this, or have boards that do.
[8:18] <BlueMint> sweet. Any idea of the camera specs? :P
[8:19] <Jck_true> BlueMint: I can't remember - It's just a basic cellphone thing - Read the blog postings on it
[8:19] <BlueMint> Jck_true, okay
[8:20] <[Saint]> 5MP
[8:20] <[Saint]> google OV5647 if you want more than that.
[8:20] <Jck_true> BlueMint: http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/3525
[8:20] <[Saint]> iirc, that's the camera module in the finalized spec sheet.
[8:21] <[Saint]> Woo! Not only was I right, I wasn't several minutes late!
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[8:22] * [Saint] wants an official RTC board.
[8:22] <[Saint]> I've seen a LOT of home-job RTC boards, ...and they're all massive.
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[8:24] <Jck_true> [Saint]: Offical? a DS1307 is like 3 bucks and then 4 wires and you're rocking
[8:25] <[Saint]> right, but I want something heavily subsidized that "just works".
[8:25] <[Saint]> time vs. effort.
[8:25] <Jck_true> The I2C worked fine for me - Connected the wires - i2cdetect - and then setup the clock
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[8:27] <Jck_true> [Saint]: $4.80 - I bet you can find it cheaper somewhere - http://dx.com/p/i2c-rtc-ds1307-24c32-real-time-clock-module-for-arduino-blue-149493?Utm_rid=58973692&Utm_source=affiliate
[8:28] <Jck_true> [Saint]: And on the upside! You get 72 bytes of free storage!
[8:28] <[Saint]> A whole 72 bytes?!?
[8:28] * Pitel_IPEX (~pitel@gatekeeper.bm.ipex.cz) Quit (Quit: (????????????)???????????????)
[8:28] <[Saint]> ...whoah.
[8:29] <Jck_true> You never need more than 16kB anyway...
[8:30] <[Saint]> I could store a whole PHP int value in there!
[8:31] <[Saint]> or a bcrypt subkey.
[8:31] <x29a> i thought 640k ought to be enuf for *?
[8:31] <Jck_true> Hey! No bashing PHP :(
[8:31] <x29a> l?l
[8:31] * ambv (~ambv@actw170.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) Quit (Quit: sys.exit(0))
[8:32] * rymate1234 bashes PHP
[8:32] <[Saint]> x29a: leeeeewl?
[8:32] <Jck_true> PHP is an awesome language!
[8:33] * Bochi PHPs bash
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[8:33] <Jck_true> (But I must admit it's not the best language for parsing OBD-II packets)
[8:33] <[Saint]> or, ...y'know, ...anything ;)
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[8:34] <rymate1234> Python is best language
[8:34] <NetBat> Morning Pi pickers.
[8:34] * [Saint] "Ha!"s loudly
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[8:35] <[Saint]> "best" in what way, rymate1234?
[8:35] <Jck_true> [Saint]: Haha - I still had the best php project ever - Reading .yml configuration files into the smarty php template engine to generate windows bat files (used for FFmpeg video conversion)
[8:35] <[Saint]> "best" is incredibly subjective.
[8:35] <rymate1234> lol
[8:35] <rymate1234> (Clarification: most things I say in this channel are my own opinion)
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[8:36] <Syliss> anyone use bodhilinux?
[8:36] <[Saint]> ASM is the "best" language...but, totally and completely unreadable at a glance.
[8:36] <Jck_true> Python? Any language where whitespace has meaning is a no go in my book
[8:36] <[Saint]> (very much like PHP :P)
[8:36] <x29a> [Saint]: http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Bill_Gates#Misattributed
[8:37] * [Saint] is aware of where the (wrongly attributed) quote comes from.
[8:37] <x29a> yet the questionmark?
[8:38] <[Saint]> I was questioning the pronounciation of "lol" using an u and an umlaut
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[8:38] <Jck_true> l??l
[8:38] <Jck_true> l??l
[8:39] <x29a> [Saint]: ah, i see, something new now and then
[8:40] <[Saint]> Hmmmmm....what the?
[8:41] <[Saint]> One of my Pis has the jtag headers attached.
[8:41] * [Saint] wonders why he never noticed this before.
[8:41] <[Saint]> ...maybe I took someone elses pi home instead.
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[8:47] <ParkerR> [Saint], Been to any Pi meetups?
[8:47] * mgbowman (~mgbowman@chello062178011248.4.11.vie.surfer.at) Quit (Quit: mgbowman)
[8:47] <[Saint]> One might class "every day I visit the hackerspace I co-manage" as one, yes :)
[8:48] <ParkerR> Heh
[8:48] <ParkerR> :D
[8:48] <[Saint]> I have all my boards named, and this has my name on it...but, I don't think its mine.
[8:48] <[Saint]> I lent out my jtag wiggler never to be seen again over a year ago.
[8:48] <[Saint]> so - I /really/ don't think *I* added this header.
[8:48] <[Saint]> If I did, I have no idea why.
[8:49] <[Saint]> ...or when.
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[8:49] <Jck_true> Think of the poor pi out there :(
[8:49] <Jck_true> Scared in a strangers house
[8:49] <Jck_true> God only knows what kind of traffic it sees on his LAN
[8:50] <[Saint]> If one did manage to excape my clutches, I think it would be grateful
[8:50] <ParkerR> Porn porn everywhere...
[8:50] <[Saint]> *escape
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[8:50] <ParkerR> [Saint], Any unknown SD cards?
[8:51] <[Saint]> Nup, it didn't have one in. And I seem to have all mine accounted for.
[8:51] <Jck_true> I need another 2 pi's - One for making an audiobook player for my moms kitchen stereo
[8:51] <Jck_true> And one as a OBD-II error code reader
[8:52] <ParkerR> Nice
[8:52] <ParkerR> Mine is currently on the shelf
[8:52] <ParkerR> Last seen as a laptop
[8:52] <[Saint]> Bah!
[8:52] <[Saint]> ....why, why why why did I go with mini ITX again...
[8:52] <ParkerR> Sadly at the moment I moved on to bugger and better things
[8:53] <ParkerR> *bigger
[8:53] <[Saint]> After the last build I said "nope, never again"...and, what did I go and do? :)
[8:53] <Jck_true> Impossible to find nice cheap displays really :(
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[8:53] <ParkerR> [Saint], But they are so small :)
[8:54] <[Saint]> Jck_true: for what? There's a HUGE array of displays for sale if you google up "reversing camera display" et al on an eBay-esque site.
[8:54] <[Saint]> ParkerR: and sexy - I got an ASUS P8Z77-I Deluxe
[8:54] <[Saint]> *niiiiiiiiiice* mobo.
[8:54] <Jck_true> [Saint]: yeah - Suppose I should try that - I'm just scared of Composite displays...
[8:54] <[Saint]> the ones I have are fine.
[8:55] <[Saint]> I got a bunch of 'em cheap, little 4" composite displays with a bezel.
[8:55] <[Saint]> worked out to about $10 each less shipping
[8:56] <Jck_true> I'll have a look at that
[8:56] <ParkerR> [Saint], Asus ftq
[8:56] <ParkerR> *ftw
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[8:56] <Jck_true> Just need to show some error codes etc from the OBD :)
[8:56] <[Saint]> Jck_true: if you have some cash to burn, and want full-touch, see: http://www.chalk-elec.com/?page_id=1280#!/~/category/id=3094861&offset=0&sort=priceAsc
[8:57] <[Saint]> $119+shipping for a 7" capacitive touchscreen that also backpowers the pi via USB
[8:57] <Jck_true> Yeah I know - I'll just end up with an endless project writing software for that...
[8:57] <[Saint]> No, you won't.
[8:57] <[Saint]> It "just works".
[8:58] <[Saint]> Plug it in, turn it on.
[8:58] * [Saint] has the 10" variant in his "Piblet"
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[8:59] * cccy_RegeaneWolf is now known as cccyRegeaneWolfe
[8:59] <Jck_true> [Saint]: I know - But this has to be something fairly simple that a mechanic can use it
[9:00] <[Saint]> why would a mechanic bother with ODB when they can just use a dyno and get "real" results?
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[9:00] <Jck_true> Well - They aren't really "proper" mechanics
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[9:01] <[Saint]> In which case the info is largely useless to them, no?
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[9:01] <Jck_true> They still wanna see the error codes - And reset the codes when they switched the fault item
[9:01] <[Saint]> Anyhoo - check out: http://www.chalk-elec.com/?p=1576
[9:01] <[Saint]> dead simple.
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[9:02] <[Saint]> The screen backpowers the Pi via USB using its 5V supply.
[9:03] <Jck_true> That does look pretty sexy
[9:03] * [Saint] nods
[9:04] <[Saint]> My "Piblet" is one of those, with a Pi and a 4-port (used to have a 10-port because it was all I had at the time) USB hub stuck to the back of it with velcro dots
[9:04] <[Saint]> May FSM lather his just sauce over velcro dots with his noodly appendages
[9:04] <[Saint]> rAmen.
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[9:06] <[Saint]> I can't get the ambient light sensor working with the backlight brightness on the Pi - but - meh...
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[9:09] <[Saint]> In http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=gixK6H_lLL8 you can see it in action, and get an idea of the mess of cables and crap stuck to the back of the screen to make it vaguely resemble a tablet.
[9:09] <[Saint]> I'm building a case backing for it out of MDF at the moment, so I can make a mold out of it and make a more permanent plastic one, but it is slow going.
[9:09] * [Saint] != woodworker
[9:10] <hrebicek> patogen: do not trust an SD card too much, I killed mine in 4 months and I expect a torrent server will write to it quite often
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[9:11] <[Saint]> buy cheap, get crap, basically.
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[9:12] <Ben64> i updated the pi, and now its broken :(
[9:12] <Ben64> OK light blinks thrice
[9:12] <[Saint]> One shouldn't be able to "kill" an sdcard in that amount of time, but, I suspect those that claim to have done so actually haven't and the card is merely badly corrupt.
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[9:13] <[Saint]> Ben64: loader.bin is missing or corrupt
[9:13] <[Saint]> copy loader.bin to /boot
[9:13] <Ben64> Firmware since 20th October 2012 no longer requires loader.bin, and the flashes mean: 3 flashes: start.elf not found
[9:14] <Ben64> i googled lol
[9:14] <Ben64> why didn't rpi-update update the rpi i wonder
[9:14] <hrebicek> Hmm I suspect the write budget IS over. It was a cheap 199 CZK kingston class4 4GB mobility kit.
[9:14] <[Saint]> It can't not.
[9:15] <Bochi> ...and CZK means it was likely a fake anyway
[9:15] <[Saint]> It will either succeed, or, it will fail - and it will let you know it failed.
[9:15] <Bochi> SCNR ;-)
[9:15] <Ben64> well it succeeded
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[9:17] <Ben64> 4913??????????.???Q???
[9:17] <Ben64> well thats not a normal filename...
[9:17] <[Saint]> I was just going to tell you to check the fs :)
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[9:17] <[Saint]> you're the proud owner of a trashed filesystem
[9:17] <Ben64> i didn't know fat supported those characters
[9:17] <Ben64> where can i manually grab latest firmware bits?
[9:18] <[Saint]> the source repo
[9:18] <hrebicek> If Kingston was written on it, it was Kingston. Brno and generally Czech Republic IS in Europe, whatever that means.
[9:18] <[Saint]> "If Kingston was written on it, it was Kingston" ...that is hilariously naive.
[9:19] <[Saint]> Welcome to the world of cheap, counterfeit removable storage! :)
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[9:19] <Bochi> I bought a SANdisk once from a german shop on ebay
[9:19] <Bochi> 32 GB
[9:19] <Bochi> what I received was /dev/null packed into a micro SD case
[9:19] <[Saint]> Ben64: https://github.com/raspberrypi
[9:20] <[Saint]> Hahahaha
[9:20] <Bochi> the next day the seller was gone from ebay and not reachable anymore
[9:21] <Bochi> and it certainly was fake, looking at the printed logo and stuff :) so one never knows.
[9:21] <hrebicek> Kingston produces a mixed quality equipment. The nand-flash has a really limited write budget. The best number I heard is 50000 overwrites
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[9:22] <[Saint]> in theory, an sdcard should outlive you, let alone any device it is attached to.
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[9:26] * [Saint] now has most of a "run one command and spit out a kernel and all firmware" script working.
[9:26] <geordie> Bochi: it's funny that they even bothered to ship anything at all...
[9:27] <[Saint]> They need to ship /something/
[9:27] <Bochi> that's true, yes, but I must say ever since then I love paypal
[9:27] <[Saint]> ...just in case the recipient ass for tracking.
[9:27] <Bochi> they gave me back my money after trying to reach the seller
[9:27] <[Saint]> oh - jeebus s/ass/asks/
[9:27] <Bochi> as part of their blah insurance whatever thingie
[9:28] <geordie> [Saint]: that makes sense
[9:28] <Ben64> i think i found the problem
[9:28] <Ben64> the sd card's write switch is a bit loose
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[9:31] <JohannesG> has anyone here ever had an SD card die because of the Raspberry Pi? Possibly from too many writes? (I had some reoccurring error every second throughout the days that slowly filled the 8gb card multiple times until I realised what was going on)
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[9:32] <JohannesG> after that happened the Pi can't really use it although I am able to use it in some other devices (my field recorder for example) although it's really slow
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[9:34] <BlueMint> f
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[9:34] <BlueMint> Sorry, didn't mean that ^
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[9:35] <steve_rox> neigher did i
[9:35] <[Saint]> JohannesG: the other device is probably a little more forgiving towards a trashed filesystem.
[9:35] <[Saint]> One assumes you performed a filesystem check/recovery?
[9:38] <JohannesG> well, i wiped and formatted the SD card several times without luck. I assumed that would redo the file system from scratch.
[9:38] <hrebicek> JohannesG: I mentioned a 4GB SDHC card recently
[9:38] <JohannesG> hrebicek, mine is a 8GB SDHC :)
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[9:39] * JohannesG scrolls up
[9:39] <JohannesG> mine is SanDisk though.
[9:40] <steve_rox> that linux fsck cmd doesent allways fix it tho
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[9:40] <[Saint]> If any other device can use the card, there's no reason the Pi wouldn't be able to.
[9:40] <[Saint]> ...very odd.
[9:40] <JohannesG> I guess I just finished the "write budget". (any information online about how many writes certain SD cards can handle?
[9:40] <hrebicek> anyway all are NAND or NOR flashes inside, having really limited write budget
[9:41] <JohannesG> well, it depends on your definition of "use". :P
[9:41] <steve_rox> i thought sandisk was a good brand or is that the image they are trying to project
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[9:41] <JohannesG> technically my zoom field recorder can use it but I wouldn't trust it. (plus it takes like a minute to start it up with the broken SD card)
[9:41] <hrebicek> not comparable to a real disk which can be overwritten million times.
[9:42] <[Saint]> JohannesG: as I said earlier, though you may not have been present, an sdcard should outlive you - let alone any device it is connected to.
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[9:42] <[Saint]> but, that relies on the manufacturer doing several things right.
[9:42] <JohannesG> yeah, that's what I thought.
[9:43] <hrebicek> Kingston guarantees 50K rewrites on latest products
[9:43] <[Saint]> The most common flaw second to manufacturing defects is poor/flawed wear levelling.
[9:43] <JohannesG> so, are there any precautions i can take to avoid this happening again?
[9:43] <steve_rox> wonder how you count the rewites :-P heh
[9:43] <hrebicek> no swap at all, tmp to tmpfs in ram at least
[9:44] <[Saint]> There's a few - mount with noatime and nodirtime, mount /tmp as a tmpfs, make sure all logs go to a tmpfs (flushed to disk periodically if you require)...etc.
[9:44] <nid0> most decent modern cards are good for 100k writes
[9:44] <JohannesG> hrebicek, can you elaborate on that? i'm not that familiar with things like this. I assume with "no swap at all" you mean no swap partition.
[9:44] <JohannesG> and somehow put the tmp folder onto the ram instead of the sd card. (what is tmpfs?)
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[9:45] <[Saint]> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=850
[9:45] <[Saint]> JohannesG: ^
[9:45] <hrebicek> it is a filesystem in ram.
[9:45] <JohannesG> great! thanks
[9:45] <JohannesG> ah, ok.
[9:46] <JohannesG> bookmarked that link :)
[9:46] * [Saint] firmly disagrees with the "no swap partition" thing, though.
[9:46] <[Saint]> you almost certainly will come into situations where you require swap.
[9:46] <nid0> having a swap partition with a pi is going to make no appreciable difference to the life of an sd card whatsoever
[9:46] <JohannesG> yeah, that seems like an extreme step to take to not use swap. If I understand this correctly a swap partition is basically "virtual ram". right?
[9:46] <[Saint]> a sane person joins the mix.
[9:46] <[Saint]> howdy :)
[9:47] <[Saint]> JohannesG: pretty much, yes.
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[9:47] <[Saint]> One may think of swap as "horrendously slow RAM"
[9:47] <steve_rox> pagefile
[9:48] <JohannesG> [Saint], that was what i thought :)
[9:49] <JohannesG> thanks for the help guys! I appreciate it.
[9:49] <[Saint]> note: some applications might massively freak out with noatime and nodiratime - you can substitue both with relatime in this instance.
[9:49] <[Saint]> (some applications care about when a file or directory was last written/accessed)
[9:49] <steve_rox> dident i hear someone say if linux detects corruption it sets the fs to read only?
[9:50] <[Saint]> steve_rox: you probably did, and it is correct.
[9:50] <[Saint]> it sets the FS RO to avoid any further damage.
[9:50] <steve_rox> great :-P
[9:50] <steve_rox> now i have to reboot it and hope it can still load
[9:50] <steve_rox> think my laptop must of landed on it in the night
[9:51] <steve_rox> the card readers need to be tougher
[9:52] <hrebicek> if mounted with errors=ro or similar
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[9:53] <hrebicek> heh, on my pi /dev/root on / type ext3 (rw,noatime,errors=continue,user_xattr,acl,barrier=1,data=ordered)
[9:54] <[Saint]> The main things you can do to limit writes: use EXT4 with jounalling disabled, mount any/all EXT* partitions with noatime/nodiratime/data=writeback, mount /tmp as tmpfs, move logfiles to tmpfs
[9:54] <steve_rox> if this thing is mounted as read only does that mean i could cut its power with less risk?
[9:54] <jelly1> why so oldskool
[9:54] <hrebicek> but probably i set it to continue while fighting with damaged card
[9:54] <[Saint]> and if you want to improve the overall performance of the card, you'll want to make sure that the block size aligns with the erase block size of the sdcard.
[9:54] <[Saint]> but, iiuc, dd will attempt to do this for you if no block size is set.
[9:55] <nid0> if you want to preciously avoid writes to an sd card so crazily paranoid-ly, just run an nfs/iscsi root and pull the card out as soon as the kernel's loaded
[9:55] <nid0> no more writes then!
[9:55] <jelly1> lol
[9:55] <[Saint]> :)
[9:55] <steve_rox> guess o one knows the answer to that ,ill take the risk
[9:55] <jelly1> sdcards can be used to write on
[9:55] <hrebicek> mount with -o ro equally safe
[9:56] <[Saint]> steve_rox: wrt your power cutting question, yes. not only would there be less risk, there would be no risk at all.
[9:56] <jelly1> hrebicek: and a major pain in the ass
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[9:56] <[Saint]> if the fs is RO - you can kill power whenever you feel like it.
[9:56] <jelly1> but you can't update ;)
[9:57] <steve_rox> it refuses to boot , oh joy
[9:57] <hrebicek> you cat trade off lifetime to rewrite
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[9:58] <[Saint]> can haz engrish?
[9:58] <hrebicek> (lifetime va rewrites)
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[9:59] <[Saint]> Oh - since I suggested it, I'll have to add a warning about the data=writeback option.
[9:59] <[Saint]> If you kill power too quickly after writing out a file, it may not actually get written to disk.
[9:59] <[Saint]> ...as that option tries to wait until the system needs to write to disk anyway before committing the file to disk.
[9:59] <jelly1> why would you limit writes
[10:00] <jelly1> even on my current SSD I don't care
[10:00] <[Saint]> ssd and sd aren't even comparable.
[10:00] <[Saint]> why limit writes on sd?
[10:00] <[Saint]> :)
[10:01] <[Saint]> that's why :)
[10:01] <jelly1> I bet it will hold out long enough
[10:01] <jelly1> [Saint]: so and what writes much to the SD?
[10:01] <jelly1> ~ logs maybe
[10:01] <jelly1> and updates
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[10:01] <[Saint]> and....everything.
[10:02] <jelly1> [Saint]: what are you running on the pi
[10:02] <nid0> fwiw my webserver pi loads all its file content to a ramfs on boot and reads from that instead of the sd card for speed reasons
[10:02] <[Saint]> Lot of thinsg.
[10:02] <[Saint]> nid0: I use preload to do that for me.
[10:02] <jelly1> nid0: doesn't it get cached anyway
[10:02] <[Saint]> adaptive readahead daemons ftw.
[10:03] <nid0> jelly1: most of it would, but using a ramfs ensures the whole lot is, and also means writes are to ram as well
[10:03] <[Saint]> preload pulls often used files into RAM at boot time, awesome wee thing.
[10:03] <[Saint]> it "learns" from your usage.
[10:03] <nid0> its then just synced every so often from ram back to the sd
[10:03] <hrebicek> JohanessG: remove the phys-swapfile package, add something like this to /etc/rc.local
[10:03] <hrebicek> mount /var/log
[10:03] <hrebicek> mount /tmp
[10:03] <hrebicek> chmod 0777 /tmp
[10:03] <hrebicek> chmod +t /tmp
[10:03] <hrebicek> mkdir /var/log/{apt,ConsoleKit,fsck}
[10:03] <hrebicek> and this to /etc/fstab
[10:03] <[Saint]> No, leave swap.
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[10:04] <jelly1> hrebicek: lovely abuse of /etc/rc.local \o/
[10:04] <hrebicek> tmpfs /var/log tmpfs defaults,nodev,noauto 0 0
[10:04] <hrebicek> tmpfs /tmp tmpfs defaults,nodev,noauto 0 0
[10:04] <[Saint]> Its only 100MB, you'll almost certainly need it at some stage, and it will make no appreciable difference removing it.
[10:04] <[Saint]> in fact, removing it may actually cause more writes.
[10:05] <hrebicek> dont forget, the kernel will flush out pages when no one needs yet their space
[10:06] * [Saint] still claims there are more arguments for swap than against
[10:06] <[Saint]> Obviously I'd go with compcache if we had more RAM to play with - but, we don't.
[10:07] <[Saint]> for some people, you may be able to get away with sacrificing ~100MB of RAM to zram.
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[10:09] <hrebicek> jelly1: rc.local is the place for local customization, indeed
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[10:11] <hrebicek> Rpi is an universal computer in Neumann sense, but quite not allmighty
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[10:14] <hrebicek> Saint: if you look at any linux/unix blkio stats, there are almost no reads, only writes
[10:14] <hrebicek> on a desktop
[10:15] <[Saint]> ....and?
[10:15] <[Saint]> One of the reasons for that is atime, btw.
[10:15] <[Saint]> atime is a truly disgusting creation.
[10:16] <hrebicek> so preloading done in normal linux bussines, it will keep the fs pages cached, unless you are in high demand for ram
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[10:17] <hrebicek> pretty sure mount everithing with noatime, dont use mirroring and revert to ext3 or even better ext2
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[10:20] <[Saint]> Pfffffffffffffft! EXT2.....
[10:20] <[Saint]> bah!
[10:21] <[Saint]> EXT4 without journalling wipes the floor with EXT2
[10:21] <NetBat> Saint: Do you wana glass of water mate? You look a bit off clolour. :d
[10:22] <[Saint]> EXT2 (used to, probably doesn't anymore) have /marginally/ faster read performance...and, that's about all it had going for it.
[10:22] <hrebicek> with ext2 i block of data written = 1 write, with ext3 only metadata is logged transactionally, ext4/reiserfs may do data logging too
[10:22] <[Saint]> EXT3 is simply an intermediary step. EXT4 is where its at.
[10:23] <hrebicek> do you really need nanosecond timestamps etc Pi has an 1Mhz clock
[10:23] <ShadowJK> ext4 was a stopgap temporary thing while waiting for btrfs
[10:23] <ShadowJK> and we're still waiting
[10:23] <[Saint]> but...if you want to stop all the arguing about filesystems, get yourself a newer kernel and use F2FS
[10:24] <[Saint]> ShadowJK: what are you waiting for exactly...? :)
[10:24] <[Saint]> I use btrfs on my home machines.
[10:24] <[Saint]> s'all good.
[10:24] <ShadowJK> ext4's delalloc and new fsync that isn't full sync makes it significantly faster than ext2 and ext3, on flash
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[10:25] <hrebicek> saint: if you like adventures, do that
[10:25] <ShadowJK> And yeah, f2fs with a good card beats everything else in performance :P
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[10:25] <[Saint]> adventures? ...how so?
[10:25] <[Saint]> spend 30 seconds compiling a kernel - renew firmware/modules, and format a partition.
[10:26] <[Saint]> ...you have some boring ideas of adventure my friend :)
[10:26] * ShadowJK would estimate 8 hours to do full kernel compile on rpi :D
[10:26] <hrebicek> I have only experience (bad one) with reiserfs, but talked to people here, havind adventure with btrfs
[10:27] <[Saint]> ShadowJK: about 4
[10:27] <hrebicek> I cross-complie my pi kernel on a 4core thinkpad
[10:27] <[Saint]> ~30/40s on my home machine
[10:28] <[Saint]> How long does it take on the thinkpad out of interest?
[10:28] <hrebicek> 1-10 minutes, depending on amount of changes
[10:28] <[Saint]> My additional RAM doesn't make much of a difference, but, being able to throw -j64 at it sure does.
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[10:29] <hrebicek> -j2*cores max
[10:29] <[Saint]> 16 2GHz cores and 16GB of RAM
[10:29] <[Saint]> the RAM in that machine is wasted, though.
[10:29] <[Saint]> it never really uses it.
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[10:30] <[Saint]> unless I force some very silly operations.
[10:30] <hrebicek> good, I am envy
[10:30] <[Saint]> like trying to compile Chromium with just "-j"
[10:30] <[Saint]> ...that'll pegg your CPUs and eat your RAM *real* quick.
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[10:32] <hrebicek> I can use a 80 core box at work, but too long to prepare it for small projects
[10:32] <[Saint]> here's a nice summary of F2FS: http://openbenchmarking.org/embed.php?i=1303030-FO-USB30FLAS39&sha=cff3965&p=2
[10:33] <[Saint]> you can clearly see it blitzing EXT4
[10:33] <[Saint]> and btrfs, but, btrfs is still in infancy.
[10:33] <hrebicek> so above -j2*cores does not speeds up
[10:33] <steve_rox> was able to repair the file system using another sd with xbmc
[10:34] <steve_rox> hate the way fsck doesnt really display anything when running it
[10:34] <[Saint]> it can.
[10:34] <[Saint]> it just doesn't by default.
[10:34] <[Saint]> "fsck --help" is your friend.
[10:34] <steve_rox> was going thu the cmd line options
[10:35] <[Saint]> "man fsck" is even friendlier.
[10:35] <steve_rox> i just ran he most likely command line options and it seems to be able to boot again
[10:35] <[Saint]> you can throw a verbose flag in there, there's multiple levels of verbosity iirc.
[10:35] <steve_rox> now the rpi says i have new email every time i login now , need to find a way to delete that
[10:36] <steve_rox> i was messing with email clients with limited sucess
[10:36] <jelly1> `mail`
[10:37] <steve_rox> smartarse ;-)
[10:37] <steve_rox> think my headset is about to die
[10:37] <steve_rox> not sure if i can be bothered to rewire it
[10:37] <[Saint]> language
[10:38] <steve_rox> probly buy a new one and rewire old as a backup
[10:40] <hrebicek> in 1980 I used a system360 mainframe occupying a basketball playgroud sized room, being only 1/100 or so Rpi
[10:40] <hrebicek> consequentlu Rpi is wonderful, but not comparable to my oldish desktop
[10:41] <geordie> i wonder what it cost to have that 360 installed
[10:42] <hrebicek> dunno, ut was a soviet clone really, an R30 box half meg RAM, 300 kHz, 2x4.75 MB disks
[10:42] <hrebicek> so 1/100 is a big overstatement, 1/1000 is closer
[10:43] <geordie> soviet clone? how intriguing
[10:43] <steve_rox> with a mind control entenna on it?
[10:44] <steve_rox> yuri tech
[10:44] <azuwis> Want to use qemubuilder to build deb packages for raspberry pi, which kernel should I use? Does the one from http://yoush.homelinux.org:8079/tech/setting-up-armel-qemubuilder work?
[10:44] <hrebicek> that was in Kiev at the university of civil aviation, now renamed to NAU (ukrainian) national aviation university
[10:45] <hrebicek> azuwis: pardon, the Rpi needs its own gcc
[10:47] <hrebicek> azuwis: if you are happy with a 300MHz P2
[10:48] <hrebicek> steve_rox: but heard a sentence from my programming professor: do I need an excess hole into my head?
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[10:49] <hrebicek> when asked him about his prev work in army
[10:50] <steve_rox> erm i see
[10:50] <hrebicek> so still not have any idea what he did there
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[10:51] <steve_rox> crazy army stuff
[10:52] <hrebicek> so the soviets were unable to control my mind, and my tutors used an M4000 computer to filer out the (soviet added) noise from Radio Freedom
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[10:52] <hrebicek> filter .. using FFT
[10:53] <azuwis> hrebicek: So, what's recommended way of packaging/compiling for Rpi? read about http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=37578&p=319672 but obviously I don't have powerfull arm hardware.
[10:53] <[Saint]> azuwis: yes.
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[10:54] <hrebicek> deploy an 4x4 core arm box
[10:55] <hrebicek> like Calxeda
[10:55] <hrebicek> Fedora uses native arm boxes, ***plugs, trimslices
[10:57] <hrebicek> so I have no sure tips
[10:57] <hrebicek> consider a cubieboard instead
[10:58] <hrebicek> but do not forget to add a SATA disk
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[11:00] <azuwis> I've compiled ffmpeg and omxplayer on Rpi with an USB HDD
[11:00] <hrebicek> azuwis: use as much possible stock packages, I made a bind9 package (hours) a chronyd package (15mins), nothing more
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[11:03] <hrebicek> an intersetin experiment fo use the GPU on Pi, but I go headless, pissing off the best part of silicon in Pi
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[11:04] <hrebicek> sotty for typos, MS helps me a big part in making them
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[11:24] <xrosnight> i received my new brand USB hub today
[11:24] <xrosnight> 3.5 A 5V
[11:25] <xrosnight> any projects about how to use webcam on raspberry pi???
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[11:31] <xrosnight> should i update ? pi@raspberrypi ~ $ uname -a
[11:31] <xrosnight> Linux raspberrypi 3.2.27+ #250 PREEMPT Thu Oct 18 19:03:02 BST 2012 armv6l GNU/Linux
[11:32] <azeam> xrosnight: there are more recent stable kernels in the repositories, just do an apt-get upgrade
[11:33] <azeam> and if you want to use a webcam you'll probably need something newer, maybe even the bleeding edge kernels that are still only available via rpi-update (or git)
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[11:34] <[Saint]> there's no bleeding edge kernel available via rpi-update
[11:34] <[Saint]> that's "the kernel"
[11:34] <xrosnight> azeam: could sudo apt-get update will update the kernel?
[11:34] <[Saint]> xrosnight: no
[11:34] <azeam> xrosnight: no, but sudo apt-get upgrade will
[11:34] <xrosnight> i dont' know i haven't do apt-get update for 3 months ..
[11:34] <[Saint]> ...errrrrr
[11:35] <azeam> [Saint]: they are unstable/untested kernels that are not part of the main repository, call them what you like
[11:35] <[Saint]> I really don't think apt-get update will update the kernel.
[11:35] <xrosnight> i am afraid that the pi will never get up if sudo apt-get upgrade
[11:35] <[Saint]> if it did, there would be no need for rpi-update
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[11:38] <azeam> [Saint]: for most users, there isn't
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[11:38] <azeam> xrosnight: keeping the system up to date is a good thing, no need to be afraid of that
[11:39] <xrosnight> azeam: sorry i set it be a server
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[11:39] <xrosnight> i don't want too many frequent changes of it
[11:39] <azeam> xrosnight: even so, the Debian reps are usually stable enough to not worry about new updates
[11:39] <xrosnight> but stable is a good thing
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[11:40] <azeam> but take a backup if you are afraid to mess something up
[11:40] <gordonDrogon> backups are good.
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[11:44] <xrosnight> yeah. good to see you gordonDrogon_GPIO_wiringPi_author
[11:46] <gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Little disappointed that Raspberry Pi For Dummies focusses on RPi.GPIO
[11:46] <gadgetoid> But also to be expected, really
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[11:47] <ShiftPlusOne> Didn't know there was a raspberry pi for dummies. Nice!
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[11:48] <ShiftPlusOne> The reviews seem to be good too.
[11:48] <ShiftPlusOne> All 3 for them =/
[11:48] <Vilsepi> maybe dummies dont buy raspberries :)
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[11:48] <ShiftPlusOne> Obviously you haven't seen the forum!
[11:49] <Vilsepi> hehe no, not really
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[11:50] <Vilsepi> I did visit it once for a power problem but at least that discussion was intelligent
[11:50] <ShiftPlusOne> I don't have anything against the forum, It just seemed like an approporiate response =D
[11:52] <Vilsepi> but it's true that rpi isn't just a hacker's platform: the low price and the fact that you can buy a sd card with a pre-installed image with it lowers the barrier
[11:52] <gordonDrogon> xrosnight, wiringPi...
[11:52] <gordonDrogon> yea, I did try to get Mike to use wiringPi - offered to write some software for him, but the whole Python thing just keeps rolling on ...
[11:52] <gordonDrogon> RPi.GPIO is now part of Raspbian, so it's hard to change...
[11:53] <gordonDrogon> right - mus be off. Going to be in the kitchen most of the day baking...
[11:53] <gordonDrogon> laters...
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[11:54] <StMichel> What's the difference between the different GPIO-accessing libraries? There's wiringPi, RPi.GPIO, Quick2Wire and I guess even more.
[11:54] <StMichel> It seems that everyone just has written their own implementation
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[12:07] <gordonDrogon> wiringPi is written in C and callable directly from C or C++. RPi.GPIo is written in Python (& C) is is designed to be called from Python programs. the Quick2wire stuff is also written in Python.
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[12:07] <gordonDrogon> there are python wrappers for wiringPi (and Ruby, etc.)
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[12:08] <gadgetoid> StMichel: Basically, Quick2Wire and RPi.GPIO are both wrong :D
[12:08] <gordonDrogon> I did wiringPi to make it easy for people who are familiar with Arduino to use the Pi (in C/C++ and BASIC) I've no personal interest interest in Python right now.
[12:08] <StMichel> But is there any difference from Python-developer point-of view? Any functional differences?
[12:08] <StMichel> gadgetoid: got that :D
[12:09] <gordonDrogon> if you are coming from an arduino environment then wiringPython will be more comfortable/familiar to use.
[12:10] <gadgetoid> RPi.GPIO is, however, written by a better Python programmer than I, but the terminology it uses just seems wrong
[12:10] <gadgetoid> Perhaps I'm too familiar with Arduino to see otherwise
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[12:11] <gynter> Has anyone used HDMI or DVI (via HDMI ->DVI adaptor) splitter to show exactly same signal on both outputs?
[12:11] <gadgetoid> The idea behind wrapping wiringPi for all major languages on the Pi was so the same approach and basic technique is applicable and translatable across them all- unified and friendly
[12:11] <gadgetoid> But I massively dropped the ball on WiringPi-Python and RPi.GPIO gained traction and took over
[12:11] <gordonDrogon> back to slaving over a hot stove for me.. later!
[12:11] <xrosnight> gordonDrogon i think wiringPi would be more sufficient to use. it's in binary
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[12:13] <gadgetoid> WiringPi2-Python's class based approach probably needs a lot more work to make it more palatable to python programmers, it's currently very barebones and basic, basically hanging you the reigns and expecting a reasonably prior knowledge of Arduino Wiring
[12:14] <gadgetoid> Functionally, though, it's brilliant 'cos it just exposes all of WiringPis wonderfulness
[12:15] <StMichel> Hmm, did you get the interrupts working yet? Haven't looked at GitHub recently.
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[12:18] <gadgetoid> StMichel: I *still* haven't tested them, been separated from my Pi's for a week or so
[12:19] <gadgetoid> But I believe they will work, quite well if you have at least some pseudo threading to handle them
[12:19] <StMichel> yep
[12:20] <gadgetoid> I have about 5 or 6 addon boards to test when I get the chance
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[12:40] <narcos> Is it normal for my 512mb PI to drop ethernet for about 30 seconds when plugging in USB devices?
[12:42] <Triffid_Hunter> narcos: yeah the rpi has notoriously high sensitivity to power fluctuations. use a powered hub
[12:42] <Triffid_Hunter> if you're handy with a soldering iron, hook a 10u mlc across the power pins of the usb jacks
[12:44] <xrosnight> Triffid_Hunter: that's right
[12:44] <ShiftPlusOne> mlc?
[12:45] <Triffid_Hunter> ShiftPlusOne: multi-layer ceramic
[12:45] <ShiftPlusOne> ah
[12:45] <Triffid_Hunter> those things have insanely low ESR for the capacity
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[12:46] <narcos> Triffid_Hunter: OK, ta
[12:47] <narcos> Triffid_Hunter: What's an MLC, and what would that do?
[12:47] <Triffid_Hunter> narcos: relevant: the rpi's onboard hub and ethernet controller are both within the same chip- the smsc one near the jacks
[12:47] <Triffid_Hunter> narcos: 10uF multi-layer ceramic will hold the power steady while your power supply catches up with the change in load
[12:48] <Triffid_Hunter> anyone got a handy diagram of which pins are the usb jack power pins?
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[12:49] <Triffid_Hunter> I don't hotplug usb stuff on my pi much so haven't actually run into this particular issue just yet
[12:49] <mattwj2002> hi Triffid_Hunter
[12:49] <mattwj2002> :)
[12:49] <narcos> Triffid_Hunter: Ahh. Why didn't the rPi people include that?
[12:50] <Triffid_Hunter> narcos: not sure. suspect they underestimated the importance of decoupling, which is unfortunately common amongst EEs
[12:51] <ShiftPlusOne> You'd think that if that was the only reason, they would've taken care of that in the first revision
[12:51] <ShadowJK> The 70mA or whatever polyfuses on usb power originally might've helped a bit too
[12:51] <mattwj2002> Triffid_Hunter: what are you talking about with the usb?
[12:52] <mattwj2002> what is wrong with the usb?
[12:52] <mattwj2002> :-s
[12:52] <narcos> Triffid_Hunter: That's quite a shame.
[12:53] <Triffid_Hunter> mattwj2002: not enough decoupling. plug in almost anything bigger than a mouse or keyboard and the rpi will have a conniption
[12:53] <mattwj2002> oh that sucks
[12:53] <Triffid_Hunter> ShiftPlusOne: lots of things make sense to lots of people, doesn't mean they occur to those who are actually able to make it happen
[12:54] <mattwj2002> has anyone tried a wireless keyboard and mouse with the pi?
[12:54] <mattwj2002> I have considered ordering on
[12:54] <mattwj2002> *one
[12:54] <Triffid_Hunter> mattwj2002: yeah they usually work fine, the receiver unit is usually relatively low power
[12:54] <xrosnight> any one met this " W: Failed to fetch bzip2:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/downloads.raspberrypi.org_raspbian_raspbian_dists_wheezy_non-free_binary-armhf_Packages Hash Sum mismatch
[12:54] <xrosnight> E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[12:54] <xrosnight> "?
[12:55] <mattwj2002> ok
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[12:55] <xrosnight> mattwj2002: i am using one. not technically , but remotely.
[12:55] <mattwj2002> Triffid_Hunter: I have found the best use for my pi is home media client
[12:56] <xrosnight> i mean SSH.. so it's nothing.
[12:56] <mattwj2002> mythtv frontend mostly
[12:56] <mattwj2002> nice xrosnight
[12:56] <xrosnight> mythTV?
[12:56] <mattwj2002> yeah
[12:56] <mattwj2002> an open source dvr (digital video recorder)
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[12:56] <Triffid_Hunter> argh I remember mythtv.. last time I tried to use it, the back-end daemon required gnome and refused to use a non-local database
[12:56] <mattwj2002> www.mythtv.org
[12:57] <Triffid_Hunter> so in other words it was incompatible with what I had available
[12:57] <mattwj2002> Triffid_Hunter: I have a simple setup
[12:57] <mattwj2002> 4 digital tuners
[12:57] <xrosnight> mattwj2002: that's nice . haven't studied it before
[12:57] <mattwj2002> 2 per box
[12:57] <mattwj2002> yeah it is cool xrosnight
[12:58] <mattwj2002> box = physical tuner box
[12:58] <mattwj2002> 2 TB of storage
[12:58] <mattwj2002> hehe
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[13:12] <xrosnight> any one know how to run a webcam serve on Pi ?
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[13:15] <ShiftPlusOne> http://sirlagz.net/2012/08/04/how-to-stream-a-webcam-from-the-raspberry-pi/
[13:15] <ShiftPlusOne> and looks like there are a million forum posts about it too
[13:16] <xrosnight> ShiftPlusOne: thx . btw i just installed motion
[13:17] <ShiftPlusOne> yup, everyone seems to be using that.
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[13:40] <xrosnight> ShiftPlusOne: i've tried the motion there. it doesn't stream very accurately
[13:40] <ShiftPlusOne> What do you mean by accurately?
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[13:42] <xrosnight> it's like an image which will be freshed every 1 sec
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[13:42] <ShiftPlusOne> That's all I've seen so far. You're expecting a steady video stream?
[13:44] <xrosnight> ShiftPlusOne: yeah
[13:44] <xrosnight> like live football match :p
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[13:45] <ShiftPlusOne> No idea then O_o. Haven't seen anyone do that (well) yet.
[13:46] <xrosnight> ShiftPlusOne: is camera for pi on market yet?
[13:47] <ShiftPlusOne> afaik, no. They have sent some out to people for testing, but they are not available to buy yet.
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[13:48] <xrosnight> ShiftPlusOne: okay.
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[14:00] * SpeedEvil grrs.
[14:00] <SpeedEvil> I just want a generic CSI driver
[14:00] <SpeedEvil> or even documents
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[14:14] <gordonDrogon> having a break from the kitchen.
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[14:14] <BlueMint> gordonDrogon, what's cooking good looking?
[14:16] <gordonDrogon> BlueMint, er, lemon drizzle cake, and a lemon polenta cake (gluten free), then rich chocolate cake to die for & carrot cake, then a load of shortbread biscuits and a tray of millionaires shortbread too.
[14:16] <gordonDrogon> that's todays lot, anyway. tomorow is more...
[14:17] <gordonDrogon> it's my in-laws 50th wedding anniversary at the weekend and we're throwing an afternoon tea party for them & 50-60 guests.
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[14:17] <gordonDrogon> I did 150 scones last weekend... 10 loaves of bread to get 1st thing Saturday morning, then to make everything up for 2pm Saturday...
[14:17] <BlueMint> gordonDrogon, I WANT. What do you do for a living?
[14:18] <gordonDrogon> BlueMint, self-employed programmer & IT consultant thingy.
[14:18] <BlueMint> hehehehe
[14:18] <gordonDrogon> do baking as a hobby busienss though - got local authority ticket to bake for sale & hood hygeine qualifications, etc.
[14:19] <gordonDrogon> although this is for family, I've sold stuff in the past.
[14:19] <BlueMint> That's really awesome
[14:19] <gordonDrogon> see http://moorbakes.co.uk/
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[14:20] <BlueMint> That's heaps cool :)
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[14:24] <gordonDrogon> we don't make real money from it, but it's bought us a few new kitchen gadgets :)
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[14:26] <gordonDrogon> I do a lot of bread too ...
[14:26] <nid0> sigh :<
[14:26] <nid0> ran out of network ports, so bought a new switch
[14:26] <nid0> now discovered im also out of power sockets to plug it into
[14:26] <Ben64> so we know the pi can overclock when needed... but can it underclock when idle?
[14:27] <gordonDrogon> Ben64, yes, but you don't generally gain anything.
[14:27] <Ben64> oh
[14:27] <gordonDrogon> I was running mine at 500MHz for a while due to a typo I made!
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[14:28] <gordonDrogon> back to the kitchen for a bit now. later!
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[14:36] <thurse93> Hi! I've got a problem with the tvservice tool. Whenever I switch between HDMI and SDTV output, the signal changes but the screen stays blank. How can I fix this?
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[14:48] <xrosnight> who wants to watch TV
[14:48] <xrosnight> http://longen.tk:8081/
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[15:23] <Duality> hey :)
[15:24] <Duality> is ssh enabled by default ?
[15:24] <DeliriumTremens> should be
[15:24] <DeliriumTremens> in raspbian at least (i think)
[15:24] <Duality> rasbian wheezy
[15:24] <ShiftPlusOne> yes
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[15:31] <Duality> hmm my modem says that the pi is connected at but when i want to ssh to it, it says no route to hoste
[15:32] <Duality> also can't ping it :)
[15:32] <pksato> Duality: and, you host have that ip?
[15:33] <Duality> no
[15:33] <Triffid_Hunter> modem?
[15:33] <Duality> the pi had that ip before :) and could connect fine before, (also this is a new image)
[15:33] <Duality> Triffid_Hunter: yea the thing that connects you to the internet :P
[15:34] <pksato> modem? that modem? a 3G/LTE, ADSL, cable, dialup?
[15:34] <Duality> fiber
[15:34] <pksato> uh..
[15:35] <Duality> lol might be confused here :P
[15:35] <Triffid_Hunter> Duality: no route to host means one of two things: 1) ip & netmask != rpi_ip & netmask or 2) rpi doesn't respond to arp
[15:35] <Duality> well the modem is connect to the internet by fiber, but i also use it for the local network ...
[15:35] <pksato> Duality: you host (client ssh), is on same network that RPi?
[15:35] <Duality> yea same network
[15:36] <pksato> and, what ip have ? (ifcoonfig or ipconfig)
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[15:37] <Duality> can't do ifconfig if i can't ssh in :)
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[15:37] <pksato> I need to improve my english. :P
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[15:38] <Duality> no other device has besides the pi :)
[15:39] <pksato> that?
[15:39] <Duality> ?
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[15:39] <Duality> also can't ping raspberrypi
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[15:40] <pksato> if rpi is one on network. where is you other host ?
[15:41] <Duality> how do you meen ?
[15:43] <pksato> I go back to my work.
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[16:01] <MikeH> Hi guys, are there any issues with the pi unable to handle the power requirements of some usb keyboards?
[16:01] <MikeH> Mine is running raspbmc and keeps crashing
[16:02] <IT_Sean> Should work fine w/ a basic USB keyboard.
[16:02] <IT_Sean> If it's a big fancy gaming keyboard with lots of LEDs, or an LCD screen or something, that may cause issues.
[16:03] <MikeH> Nothing fancy, just an apple usb keyboard
[16:04] <IT_Sean> That shouldn't cause any issues.
[16:04] <IT_Sean> What is the rating on your power supply?
[16:04] <MikeH> Hmmm, I wonder if putting it on a metal pc case (although painted) was perhaps not the best idea
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[16:05] <IT_Sean> ...
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[16:05] <MikeH> IT_Sean: I can't seem to find exact specs, but it's an iPhone charger - I'm sure they are good for 1amp
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[16:07] <Duality> i never trust apple tuff
[16:07] <Duality> stuff*
[16:07] <IT_Sean> MikeH: um... Is it the small iPhone charger?
[16:07] <MikeH> Hmm, just got the meter out - as I suspected the PC case is not conductive.
[16:07] <MikeH> IT_Sean: Indeed.
[16:07] <IT_Sean> If so, that will NOT work.
[16:07] <IT_Sean> I have one of those, it will not work properly at all.
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[16:07] <IT_Sean> Use a different supply.
[16:08] <MikeH> Really? This is surprising since Apple claim it's 1amp
[16:08] <MikeH> I shall find another
[16:08] <IT_Sean> I've personally tried it... it doesn't work.
[16:08] <IT_Sean> I was equally surprised.
[16:09] <IT_Sean> In my experience, it will boot the Pi, but will cause issues if you try to use any sort of USB device.
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[16:10] <MikeH> Why is it you always have too many micro/mini usb cables and usb power supplies, until you actually bloody need one :/
[16:11] <kaste> s/micro\/mini usb/*-/
[16:11] <IT_Sean> We call that the Miller Wilson Paradox.
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[16:14] <MikeH> Heh, this apple charger even says 1amp. Let's see if this Sony 850mA one works better
[16:15] <ShiftPlusOne> The apple charger works fine for me =/
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[16:16] <IT_Sean> ShiftPlusOne: Which one? The iPad one works. The really small (US Market) iPhone charger does not.
[16:16] <MikeH> Mine is still dying with a different 850mA one
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[16:16] <ShiftPlusOne> Depends on what you mean by really small.
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[16:16] <IT_Sean> MikeH: Do you have USB devices plugged in?
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[16:17] <MikeH> IT_Sean: Just the apple keyboard
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[16:17] <ShiftPlusOne> One of these works fine for me: http://imgc.classistatic.com/cps/blnc/121030/875r1/09258de_20.jpeg
[16:17] <IT_Sean> MikeH: Unplug it and reboot.
[16:17] <IT_Sean> ShiftPlusOne: Yeah, thati s not the US market iphoen charger.
[16:17] <IT_Sean> We get a much smaller one here.
[16:17] <ShiftPlusOne> The it the one that's a bit of a cube?
[16:18] <IT_Sean> It's a tiny cube, yeah.
[16:18] <MikeH> IT_Sean: I've done that a million times :/
[16:18] <ShiftPlusOne> With Rounded Edges(TM) 'course.
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[16:18] <IT_Sean> ShiftPlusOne: http://irepairwizard.com/shop/images/iphone-original-char.jpg
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[16:19] <ShiftPlusOne> yup, that one >=/
[16:19] <IT_Sean> ^ That one, in my testing, does not work properly. Using that one, the raspi will poo itself if you try to use any USB device.
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[16:28] <MikeH> This is frustrating, now tried different power cable, power supply and keyboard - still crashing
[16:28] <MikeH> :/
[16:29] <IT_Sean> whne you say it is "crashing". What, exactly, is happening? Does the OS freeze completly? Can you still SSH in? etc...?
[16:29] <MikeH> The machine reboots
[16:30] <IT_Sean> o_O
[16:30] <IT_Sean> that's... odd.
[16:30] <IT_Sean> do you have a different OS handy, on a different SD card, you can try?
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[16:32] <MikeH> This SD card was a bit flakey when I first popped it into the mac. But then this MBP sd reader is a bit flakey with cards.
[16:32] <IT_Sean> Do you have another card you can image? Just to test with?
[16:32] <MikeH> I've tried installed raspbmc on another card (same model though)
[16:33] <IT_Sean> and it still crashes?
[16:33] <MikeH> Waiting for that to install now
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[16:33] <IT_Sean> oh, okay.
[16:33] <MikeH> It's just doing all the installation stuff on the Pi side now
[16:34] <MikeH> Hopefully it's just the card is a bit flakey, I just assumed seeing as it booted ok from it, there weren't the same issues as on the mac
[16:38] <Duality> can it be that my SD broke this fast ?
[16:41] <kaste> yes
[16:41] <Duality> hmm can't but a ext3 partition on my SD card but can do ext2 :S
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[16:44] <MikeH> Meh, turns out I'm not going to use raspbmc after all. When did Rasplex happen? Has anyone here tried it?
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[16:48] <xrosnight> i feel rpi is slow
[16:49] <IT_Sean> xrosnight: it's a 700mhz ARM cpu... what were you expecting?
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[16:49] <xrosnight> i installed some plugins for vim . and the editor is slow even in terminal...
[16:49] <jelly1> totally depends on what your run imo
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[16:55] <Duality> for some reason after reburning the image 4 times i can finally ssh in at the first try :)
[16:55] <Duality> IT_Sean: mine is 1.0Ghz
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[16:56] <jelly1> xrosnight: maybe the plugins are slow
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[17:06] <MilkyTunes> RMS wouldn't approve this explanation:) http://youtu.be/rh5O0-ip2zs?t=2m38s
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[17:13] <jelly1> MilkyTunes: indeed
[17:13] <xrosnight> MilkyTunes: i hope Raspberry Pi would come to China's primary schools to help children to get rid of Micro$oft
[17:13] <jelly1> it's not 'free'
[17:14] <xrosnight> i mean the foundation
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[17:24] <MikeH> Apparently PlexBMC doesn't actually really work
[17:24] <MikeH> That was a waste of time
[17:24] <xrosnight> details
[17:25] <MikeH> IT_Sean: Incase you're curious. My issues seem to have gone away since swapping the Apple Keyboard out for a plain old hp job.
[17:25] <MikeH> xrosnight: Was that directed at me?
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[17:25] <MikeH> It boots, shows libraries (just), but refuses to play anything
[17:25] <xrosnight> you could say so
[17:26] <MikeH> the interface is laggy as hell which would probably put me off even if the videos did play
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[17:29] <xrosnight> MikeH: I cna't help now. coz i am choosing which .img of XBMC to burn on the SD card now. Among OpenELEC, Raspbmc, XBian ...
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[17:30] <MikeH> Raspbmc seems to work nicely so far
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[17:37] <Twist-> xrosnight: X11 2d graphic performance on the Pi is a sore spot.
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[17:38] <anew> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/c2794345f20a75600079 anyone see anything wrong here with my cron
[17:38] <anew> cant get it to run
[17:41] <xrosnight> what's your cron for anew
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[17:41] <anew> */30 * * * * chmod +X /home/pi/Documents/shared/reviews/reviews.pl
[17:41] <anew> here's my cron
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[17:53] <anew> xrosnight ?
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[19:01] <saml> once i install linux, i don't need monitor right? because i can ssh into it
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[19:07] <zastaph> dont think you need monitor for installing either.. can just copy the image to an SD with image writer tool
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[19:12] <saml> zastaph,oh i see. thanks
[19:14] <Twist-> saml: a monitor/keyboard/mouse are useful for initial setup since you could see boot problems. But you can ssh in to a newly minted raspbian machine.
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[20:18] <dfrey> Is there a consensus as to whether the adafruit or quick2wire i2c library is better?
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[20:33] <wroberts1> where is adafruit's i2c library? (is it python?)
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[20:35] <dfrey> https://github.com/adafruit/Adafruit-Raspberry-Pi-Python-Code
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[20:35] <dfrey> wroberts1: specifically, there is a "Adafruit_I2C" folder in that repository.
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[20:37] <wroberts1> looks like its specific to adafruit products
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[20:39] <wroberts1> or is Adafruit_I2C.py the generic driver
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[20:43] <dfrey> wroberts1: My understanding is that it is generic
[20:43] <dfrey> I could be wrong though
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[20:46] <dfrey> ok, another semi-related question... I do apt-get install git and I am told: "failed to fetch http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian/pool/main/c/curl/libcurl3-gnutls_7.26.0-1_armhf.deb I browsed to the parent dir of that deb file and I can see that there is a file named libcurl3-gnutls_7.26.0-1+wheezy1_armhf.deb. Note the "+wheezy1" part that was not in the first file I listed. Any idea what's
[20:46] <dfrey> going on here? Is the git package broken?
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[20:48] <dfrey> I just realized that I never ran apt-get update... Doing that now
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[20:55] <gordonDrogon> dfrey, Heh.. the wiringPi I2C library is best ;-)
[20:56] <jelly1> gordonDrogon: since you get a online helpdesk with it in this channel?
[20:56] <jelly1> :p
[20:56] <gordonDrogon> well...
[20:56] <gordonDrogon> sometimes!
[20:56] <gordonDrogon> all my stuff is really aimed at C/C++ programs though - I'm not sure if Gadgetoids wrappers for wiringPi for PYthon incorporate the I2C codes..
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[20:57] <jelly1> nothing wrong with C/C++ :)
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[20:57] <gordonDrogon> I know, but some people use this new fangles thing called python though...
[20:57] <jelly1> python isn't that new
[20:57] <jelly1> Go is new, python isn't
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[21:01] <gordonDrogon> I know its origins... just having a bit of fun.
[21:01] <gordonDrogon> compared to C though ;-)
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[21:10] <dfrey> gordonDrogon: I'm planning on writing my code in Python, so I don't think your code will be a good fit for my use-case.
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[21:25] <martk100> How do I change my touchscreen driver from N-Trig to evdev?
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[21:31] <dfrey> I wish raspbian had a minimal image.
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[21:35] <nid0> apt-get remove a few things, and presto
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[21:39] <dfrey> nid0: Is there a package which all X stuff depends on and thus removing that will cause all of X to be removed?
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[21:40] <nid0> xserver and lxde should knock out most of it
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[21:43] <applegekko> dfrey: http://elinux.org/RPi_Distributions#Debian_.28Squeeze.2F6.x.29
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[21:55] <zastaph> which OS would you pick for a raspberry server?
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[22:04] <ukdkbr> anyone here know if a samsung 16GB MicroSD class 2 card will work with the pi
[22:04] <x29a> have you checked with the wiki?
[22:04] <ukdkbr> yeah it's not listed
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[22:05] <x29a> is it sdhc or nothing? id assume: yes
[22:05] <x29a> but for whatever reason, it might also just not work
[22:05] <x29a> no way to really tell other than to check it
[22:06] <ukdkbr> it's sdhc
[22:06] <ukdkbr> yeah I guess i'll just give it a try, I have like 4 of them laying around
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[22:07] <x29a> ukdkbr: lawl, if you have them already, why not just give em a try initially? most people have doubts before buying ;)
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[22:08] <x29a> "anybody know if this cat in this box here still works?" - duh, just look
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[22:12] <dorftrottel> is it ok to ask questions concerning omxplayer in here?
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[22:13] <ukdkbr> x29a: I was just sitting here at work looking at them and wondering
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[22:16] <dorftrottel> meh I cant read the channel rules with w3m/elinks, thats unfair :P
[22:17] <chod> ukdkbr: is should i guess
[22:17] <geordie> dorftrottel: ask away
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[22:18] <dorftrottel> I try to get omxplayer to display inbuilt subtitles playing an mkv file. works fine for external subtitles.. is there a special trick, I didn't come across yet?
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[22:18] <obi134> hi
[22:18] <dorftrottel> it should be the most recent version too^^
[22:18] <dorftrottel> hi
[22:19] <obi134> does somebody has a edimax 7811un wlan-dongle working?
[22:21] <IT_Sean> dorftrottel: it is perfectly okay ot ask for help with omxplayer here
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[22:27] <FergyA> anyone here able to help me with a grep regex?
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[22:28] <dorftrottel> who knows^^
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[22:30] <FergyA> Eh, well I'll just ask and see then. I have a text file on my pi constantly being updated with data from a sensor package and I need to pull the only the numerical value following the text "Pressure: "
[22:30] <FergyA> ive got it returning the whole line, but I need only the number...
[22:31] <FergyA> and for some reason grep isnt happy with my perl regex even though I'm using -P
[22:32] <dorftrottel> doesnt grep always give you the whole line? you can use sed to get only what you want eg.
[22:33] <FergyA> actually...
[22:33] <FergyA> i just figured it out
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[22:34] <FergyA> using tail-8 /home/pi/data/Sensor/Sensordata |grep -P -o '(?<=Pressure: )[0-9]*'
[22:35] <FergyA> the -o option makes it return only the text that matches the regex
[22:35] <chod> useful
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[22:36] <dorftrottel> interesting
[22:37] <FergyA> tail -8 lets me just get the 8 most recent lines, so i dont end up with all the pressure values in the record
[22:38] * dorftrottel would still have used sed :P
[22:38] <FergyA> yeah, i tried sed, but it wasnt being cooperative
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[22:42] <chupacabra> lolol
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[22:43] <gadgetoid> dfrey: Yay for WiringPi!
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[22:55] <wroberts1> so, wiringPiISR() is ok with wiringPiSetup(), but with wiringPiSetupSys() it kills the usb
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[22:56] <dfrey> gadgetoid: I don't really want to write my code in C, so I don't think WiringPi is what I want.
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[23:12] <gadgetoid> dfrey: What do you want to write your code in?
[23:12] <dfrey> gadgetoid: python
[23:12] <gadgetoid> dfrey: https://pypi.python.org/pypi/wiringpi2
[23:14] <gadgetoid> Documentation is, sadly, a little thin on the ground, but I'm trying to improve on as many fronts as possible, and am being pretty responsive to issues added to GitHub: https://github.com/WiringPi/WiringPi2-Python
[23:14] <dfrey> gadgetoid: I realize that you are horribly biased, but do think this is better than the quick2wire or adafruit options?
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[23:15] <gadgetoid> dfrey: I'm not entirely sure what the Adafruit option is, but WiringPi is implemented entirely in C which tends to give it some performance benefits
[23:16] <gadgetoid> Depends what you're doing with it, too, the mcp23*17 drivers are handy
[23:16] <dfrey> gadgetoid: ok, I'll look into this
[23:16] <gadgetoid> What's your objective?
[23:16] <dfrey> I'm interfacing with a MAXIM MAX7300 GPIO expander
[23:17] <gadgetoid> Curious choice of IO expander, I've not come across it before
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[23:18] <dfrey> gadgetoid: Another person picked it. I think it was chosen because it has 28 GPIOs on one chip and 16 possible I2C addresses
[23:18] <gadgetoid> A WiringPi module for it would be pretty nifty, it would just make it available as additional, writable pins
[23:19] <dfrey> I think I need to do something a bit more custom because I need to manipulate multiple pins at the same time (which is possible with this chip)
[23:19] <gadgetoid> Ah, exactly the same time? how does the chip accomplish that on a serial bus?
[23:20] <dfrey> I have multiple pins driving a multiplexer
[23:20] <dfrey> You can send commands which affect 8 sequential I/Os at once
[23:21] * gadgetoid reads the data sheet
[23:22] <gadgetoid> dfrey: I dare say that a driver written directly in C and wrapped for Python would be the best approach
[23:23] <gadgetoid> Or just use the I2C stuff in WiringPi
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[23:30] <wroberts1> on the max7300, P31 can be an interrupt output?
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[23:32] <pksato> ohh... 28I/O ports.
[23:33] <gadgetoid> Almost tempted to pick up a max7300 to tinker with, but I have sooo much stuff
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[23:36] <wroberts1> if you want to go down to 1.2v, the sx1509 does it, and 16ch version
[23:38] <pksato> "detected transition is flagged through a status register bit, as well as an interrupt pin (port P31), if desired."
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[23:42] <Viper-7> gadgetoid: MAX6957 - SPI version with LED direct drive (24mA instead of 10) - much faster >:D
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[23:43] <gadgetoid> Nooo, must not acquire any more gubbins!
[23:43] <Viper-7> haha :D
[23:43] <gadgetoid> Got so many things to blog about/test with WiringPI/review
[23:44] <gadgetoid> The Raspberry Pi has been an insane hub of business activity
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[23:45] <zleap> hi
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