#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2013-04-12

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[0:31] <steve_rox> apparently they are working on rev3 , i wonder what tweaks it has
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[0:34] <zleap> ohh
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[0:43] <plugwash> steve_rox, OOI where did you hear that?
[0:44] <plugwash> (i've seen someone ask liz about the rumour but i'm wondering where it came from)
[0:44] <steve_rox> i was reading thu news articals and they said they were working on the cam and rev3
[0:44] <steve_rox> i dunno if its confermed yet
[0:44] <steve_rox> be nice to have that cam board
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[0:50] <gordonDrogon> wroberts1, can you email me details of how it kills the USB please?
[0:51] <wroberts1> it just kills the keyboard mouse and ethernet
[0:51] <wroberts1> i guess ethernet is on usb
[0:51] <wroberts1> the screen is still working though
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[0:53] <gordonDrogon> odd. I wonder if it's picking up the wrong pins numbers - you can quite easilly kill a pi (needing a reboot) by poking random gpio pins...
[0:54] <gordonDrogon> yes - ethernet is on usb.
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[0:54] <gordonDrogon> is this wiringPi v1 or v2 ?
[0:54] <gordonDrogon> (type gpio -v)
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[0:54] <wroberts1> v2, im doing it on pin 6
[0:55] <wroberts1> 6=GPIO25
[0:55] <gordonDrogon> ok. hang on ... there has been some issues in v2 to do with when I added in the code for physical pin numbers.
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[0:57] <gordonDrogon> ok. when in Sys mode, you must use the BCM numbers, so you need to refer to it as pin 25.
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[0:58] <wroberts1> i can try that
[0:58] <gordonDrogon> gpio 6 is connected to the lan/usb chip, so that sort of makes sense...
[0:59] <zleap> gordonDrogon, you going to exeter lug meet tomorrow ?
[0:59] <gordonDrogon> zleap, unlikely. but it depends on how much baking I've left to do for Saturday.
[0:59] <zleap> ok
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[1:00] <gordonDrogon> I have 100 cup cakes to make and 3 cakes to decorate.
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[1:00] <gordonDrogon> and I won't be at Paignton on saturday.
[1:00] <zleap> ok
[1:00] <zleap> well i can't make it either
[1:01] <gordonDrogon> yea.
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[1:01] <zleap> rugby on for next two weeks
[1:01] <gordonDrogon> it's my in-laws 50th wedding anniversary...
[1:01] <zleap> may I am free
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[1:09] <wroberts1> sys mode works with gpio 25
[1:09] <gordonDrogon> a-ha :)
[1:10] <wroberts1> maybe it should work with same gpio numbers, or document the difference
[1:10] <gordonDrogon> well I'm sure it is documented...
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[1:11] <gordonDrogon> it's been a bit of a bugbear those pin numbers - I had so many complaints in the early days about it not supporting, then it was supporting, then ... etc.
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[1:11] <gordonDrogon> the sys mode expects the pins to be pre-exported in /sys/class/gpio and as you need to use the bcm_gpio pin numbers to do that, I kept that scheme in sys mode in wiringPi.
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[1:12] <gordonDrogon> (although the ISR actually does the export for you - it cheats and uses the gpio program!)
[1:12] <gordonDrogon> so you can wait for an interrupt without being root...
[1:12] <wroberts1> oh, i see it https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/wiringpi/functions/
[1:13] <gordonDrogon> currently re-writing that: http://wiringpi.com/reference/setup/
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[1:16] <wroberts1> there should be a list somewhere of which gpios would cause the pi to malfunction
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[1:18] <gordonDrogon> just look at the schematic..
[1:19] <gordonDrogon> I think the easy answer is all of them other than the ones mentioned on the gpio connecto pin-out diagrams!
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[1:20] <wroberts1> so, if need to change the callback function with a 2nd call to wiringPiISR(), do i need to clear something out first?
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[1:20] <gordonDrogon> hm. never thought of that, however the function list is indexed by pin number, so not really.
[1:21] <gordonDrogon> you will "lose" a file-handle as they're never closed, and it will be re-opened.
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[1:21] <gordonDrogon> maybe I could close it if it's pre-opened...
[1:22] * gordonDrogon checks the code..
[1:22] <wroberts1> anyways, i measured the response time to pin change yesterday, it looked approx 180 microseconds
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[1:23] <gordonDrogon> that's an easy fix - will be in the release - it will close it properly if you ISR a 2nd function on the same pin.
[1:24] <gordonDrogon> I timed it at 66K/sec.
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[1:24] <gordonDrogon> which isn't far off your 180?S
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[1:25] <gordonDrogon> so it's not kernel speeds...
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[1:25] <wroberts1> 180us is 5.5KHz
[1:25] <gordonDrogon> hm. obviously out by a zero.
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[1:26] <wroberts1> but i was measuring by the spi chip select
[1:26] <gordonDrogon> there's a program in the examples directory that'll do the timing - but you need to connect a wire between 2 GPIO pins.
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[1:27] <gordonDrogon> it's isr-osc.c
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[1:27] <wroberts1> i have a call to wiringPiSPIDataRW() in the isr
[1:27] <gordonDrogon> oh - that's going to cripple performance.
[1:27] <gordonDrogon> max. SPI accesses is just over 8K/sec.
[1:28] <wroberts1> i'm justing doing a one-off measurement, and looking at latency
[1:28] <gordonDrogon> the SPI latency is quite high )-:
[1:28] <gordonDrogon> there is work being done on it, but I'm not sure what.
[1:29] <gordonDrogon> when I did some tests, the best I could get (sampling an A/D, needing a 2-byte exchange) was just over 8K/sec.
[1:29] <wroberts1> i doubt its any different than bcm2835 spi library
[1:29] <gordonDrogon> I think they drive it outside the kernel - so it could well be faster - at the expense of cpu burning.
[1:30] <gordonDrogon> I just call the kernel to handle it all - which it does via DMA, etc.
[1:30] <gordonDrogon> it just seems that the setup time is high.
[1:30] <wroberts1> anyways, i'm connected to a radio transceiver IC, its SPI and interrupt pin
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[1:31] <wroberts1> so i measure the time between interrupt assertion and SPI activity
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[1:34] <gordonDrogon> well as long as you get less than 8K ints/sec you'll be able to read the data...
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[1:35] <wroberts1> its just an interrupt when received packet, or transmit complete, like that
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[1:35] <wroberts1> its probably faster if you kill X also :)
[1:36] <wroberts1> epoll in quick2wire-python has 2-3 millisecond latency
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[1:43] <gordonDrogon> that's .. er, a lot... but I wonder if it's something to do with python?
[1:44] <gordonDrogon> I find a lot of this quite fascinating though - we're trying to do in user-land under unix what we do on microcontrollers and sometimes the effects aren't quite the same...
[1:45] <gordonDrogon> personally, I feel a new approach is needed, but right now I'm not 100% sure just what that approach is...
[1:45] <yeik> anybody know the default clock rate of the i2c pins?
[1:45] <gordonDrogon> however what I do know is needed is that I need to go to bed!
[1:45] <zleap> nite godzirra
[1:45] <zleap> nite gordonDrogon
[1:45] <gordonDrogon> yeik, 100Khz.
[1:45] <gordonDrogon> yeik, you can change it with the gpio program when you load the module...
[1:45] <yeik> gordonDrogon, are you sure? citation?
[1:46] <gordonDrogon> yeik, google it yourself. I write code to change it, I know.
[1:47] <yeik> well, i was having issues accessing data from pcf8574 and when i changed the baudrate of the i2c device it fixed it.
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[1:48] <wroberts1> as you increase SCL frequency the pullup needs to be stronger (lower resistance)
[1:48] <wroberts1> its the price to pay for open drain
[1:48] <yeik> i changed it to 100000
[1:50] <coolty> gordonDrogon: Any way to "upload" the bootloader via xmodem or something on linux to the Picaso displays?
[1:52] <yeik> gordonDrogon, is there a way to test/show the clock rate? and how do you change it in code?
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[2:21] <Helldesk> hmm... I need to scrape a web page for live data that is updated every 10 seconds using Ajax, any suggestions on tools to do that with? I've got BeautifulSoup standing by, but my first crude test of course only gives me the base page without any data populated in it yet
[2:22] <Helldesk> since it does not run any of the javacript on it
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[2:23] <Passion_ltc> hey guys, i got a pi but i don't have internet. it's connected via lan. i have arch linux installed.
[2:24] <Helldesk> hmm... looks like I just found what the ajax uses as a data source, I can scrape that!
[2:30] <Helldesk> Passion_ltc: problems bringing up the lan?
[2:30] <Helldesk> can you ping anything on the local network?
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[2:34] <Passion_ltc> no
[2:34] <Passion_ltc> then it just says that e.g. google.com doesnt exist
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[2:35] <Passion_ltc> i'm just going through this: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Network_Configuration#Check_the_connection
[2:35] <Passion_ltc> so i will learn alot too :) but thank you
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[2:38] <pksato> Passion_ltc: and, network have a dhcp server (a home router)?
[2:38] <Passion_ltc> pksato i have a router. and it should have dhcp activated.
[2:39] <Passion_ltc> prob is under networks i don't even have eth0
[2:39] <pksato> rpi have a arch?
[2:39] <Passion_ltc> http://archlinuxarm.org/platforms/armv6/raspberry-pi
[2:39] <Helldesk> I remember I had to add one line in there to get it up, even though I used static addresses, I'll try to remember
[2:40] <pksato> I dont know arch.
[2:40] <Passion_ltc> helldesk, where you added one line?
[2:40] <pksato> Passion_ltc: nic led status are lit, on rpi and router?
[2:40] <Passion_ltc> at boot: [FAILED] Failed to start Netcfg networking service for profile ethernet-eth0
[2:41] <pksato> some arch bug?
[2:41] <Passion_ltc> leds: yellow, green, green, red. last led is off
[2:41] <pksato> open a root shell, and type mii-tool eth0
[2:42] <Passion_ltc> negotiated 1000baseT-HD flow-control, link ok
[2:42] <pksato> if see, link ok , its is connected.
[2:42] <Passion_ltc> eth0: and then the top
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[2:42] <pksato> dhclient eth0
[2:43] <pksato> or appropriate commando on arch.
[2:43] <Passion_ltc> same as dhcpcd?
[2:43] <pksato> yes
[2:43] <pksato> or, configure by arch way.
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[2:44] <Passion_ltc> offered -> acknowledged -> checking. leased for 864000 seconds
[2:44] <pksato> ok.
[2:44] <Passion_ltc> lol
[2:44] <Passion_ltc> somehow it's working as it seems
[2:44] <pksato> ping
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[2:44] <Passion_ltc> yea i get those bytes now! :)
[2:45] <Passion_ltc> but i don't know what the problem was..
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[2:45] <pksato> some arch miss conf.
[2:45] <Helldesk> try adding "auto eth0" to your /etc/network/interfaces
[2:45] <Helldesk> that was all I was missing after I had mine set up back in the day
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[2:46] <Helldesk> for some reason it wasn't up and didn't come up without that
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[2:46] <pksato> its is for raspbian.
[2:46] <Passion_ltc> okay i have to google it. but i will ste it up
[2:46] <Helldesk> ok
[2:47] <pksato> if is new on Linux, we recomend to use raspian. more people use it.
[2:47] <Helldesk> how come there are so many flavours of debian and debian-like for the pi?
[2:48] <Helldesk> there's the official one, which is basically debian, then there's raspbian and I don't even know what else there probably is
[2:48] <Passion_ltc> pksato, yea im new to linux/unix systems. i want to bite my way through gentoo. so i just have to go with the complicated things. ;)
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[2:49] <pksato> gentoo is not for new users.
[2:49] <Passion_ltc> well if i read very much and try&error then after one month i sure know as much as to use it
[2:49] <Helldesk> looks like http://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads advertises arch as giving "full control", whatever that means
[2:50] <plugwash> Helldesk, well debian armel was basically the first thing that was run on the Pi because it's very commonly used in the arm community but it really doesn't take advantage of the Pis hardware so we created raspbian.
[2:50] <Helldesk> obviously giving full blame as well
[2:50] <pksato> can be used, but, need more insight.
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[2:51] <Helldesk> I think I've still got wheezy or whatever in mine, perhaps I should switch over to something that uses hard float if there are no showstoppers
[2:51] <plugwash> and since noone has built a raspbuntu we also get the people who use ubuntu etc on their PCs coming to use and build on raspbian
[2:52] <Helldesk> plugwash: I see - does raspbian use debian repos as-is though?
[2:52] <Helldesk> if not, who is the upstream
[2:53] <plugwash> Basically we take source from debian and rebuild it with different compiler defaults.
[2:55] <Caine> Not sure if this is the right place for it, but I'm having an awful time trying to get my EW-7811Un wifi adapter to work with my Raspbmc install. I get "wlan0: link is not ready" in the logs when I insert the adapter. The set up stage in the installer seems to have configured everything in /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections , but I'm not sure the module is there for this adapter.
[2:55] <Caine> anyone have any clues as to how I might go about troubleshooting this?
[2:56] <Helldesk> so... whereas I can ask the folks at #debian for advice on wheezy/squeeze/whatever, who maintains raspbian?
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[2:56] <Helldesk> (armel)
[2:57] <plugwash> officially me and mpthompson but it's mostly been me recently
[2:58] <plugwash> (maintaining raspbian that is)
[3:02] <Passion_ltc> okay guys. thank you for your help. :) I'm going to sleep now. see you.
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[3:06] <plugwash> As for showstoppers the only major thing i'm aware of that may be a showstopper for some people is mono
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[3:14] <Helldesk> because it exists or isn't available?
[3:15] <Helldesk> for me I'd just rather avoid having to add things I need by hand, so something widely adopted like debian isn't the worst of choices
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[3:16] <Helldesk> as far as repos and package availability go
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[3:18] <plugwash> The version of mono we have doesn't work with the hard float abi, there are patches arround fixing this but they are for different versions of mono and we don't have the time or skills to update the mono packages to a new upstream version ourselves
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[3:19] <plugwash> in general package availability in raspbian is very good. We have rebuilt the vast majority of packages from debian wheezy and also grabbed a few that weren't in debian wheezy for some reason but where in other versions of debian (or in the odd case ubuntu) and brought them into raspbian wheezy
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[3:28] <TAFB> anyone know around what time axion hangs out on here/has anyone seen him recently?
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[3:36] <plugwash> I don't see any evidence of that name in the last week's logs
[3:38] <ring0> considering you're just testing lxde, would you set memory_split to 256 or a different value?
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[3:48] <ring0> i figure some more ram does make it more fluent
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[4:03] <NullMoogleCable> hi
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[4:09] <MrTrick> Has anyone here set up their RPi to do static IP fallback?
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[4:09] <MrTrick> eg in windows you can set up an adapter with "Alternate Configuration"... if DHCP fails, then use this static address.
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[4:23] <mattwj2002> hi guys
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[4:24] <pksato> hi
[4:24] <mattwj2002> how are you pksato?
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[4:25] <Ownaginatious_> Hello everyone.
[4:25] <pksato> bored.
[4:25] <mattwj2002> hi Ownaginatious_
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[4:25] <mattwj2002> why are you bored pksato?
[4:25] <Ownaginatious_> Is anyone familiar with the serial console on the RaspberryPI? I'm having some problems...
[4:26] <pksato> because I can. :)
[4:26] <mattwj2002> :P pksato
[4:26] <mattwj2002> do you have a pi pksato
[4:27] <mattwj2002> ?
[4:27] <mattwj2002> Ownaginatious_: I have no freaking clue
[4:27] <mattwj2002> :)
[4:27] <pksato> on orignal box.
[4:27] <Ownaginatious_> damn lol
[4:27] <Ownaginatious_> I can't get the built in serial port to due anything
[4:27] <Ownaginatious_> *do
[4:27] <mattwj2002> rev B pksato?
[4:28] <pksato> rev B? no Rev 2, is 256MB version. :P
[4:28] <mattwj2002> no
[4:28] <mattwj2002> rev B is 512 Mb (version 1)
[4:28] <pksato> no.
[4:28] <mattwj2002> rev A is 256 (version 2)
[4:28] <mattwj2002> yes
[4:28] <mattwj2002> :P
[4:28] <pksato> Model B, Rev 2 have 512MB.
[4:28] <Ownaginatious_> Are there any resident experts on basically everything to do with the Raspberry PI here, or should I be checking somewhere else for help?
[4:28] <pksato> Model B, Rev 1 have 256MB.
[4:28] <mattwj2002> A was released in the US second anyways
[4:29] <mattwj2002> what? O.o
[4:29] <ShiftPlusOne> Ownaginatious_, just ask the specific question you need to ask.
[4:29] <pksato> Mobel A is a Rev 2 board. with only 256MB and no USB HUB+NIC.
[4:29] <Ownaginatious_> Well here is my situation
[4:29] <Ownaginatious_> I've hooked up a Bluetooth serial transmitter to my Raspberry PI
[4:30] <ShiftPlusOne> which one?
[4:30] <Ownaginatious_> I connected to the Bluetooth transmitter using my tablet to watch whatever gets sent to it
[4:30] <Ownaginatious_> JY-MCU
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[4:30] <pksato> Ownaginatious_: I never used serial console on rpi. I dont have adequate level converter.
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[4:30] <Ownaginatious_> The Bluetooth thing I use uses 3.3v logic so, it's all good I think
[4:31] <ShiftPlusOne> Ownaginatious_, does it use 3.3v logic or 5v logic?
[4:31] <Caine> Rather than retype all this, can anyone help me with this problem? http://pastebin.com/EaVyX0vc
[4:31] <pksato> but, dont have flow control, need do instruct terminal emulator to use software flow control.
[4:31] <ShiftPlusOne> Ownaginatious_, should be fine then. Go on.
[4:31] <pksato> Bluetooth?
[4:32] <Ownaginatious_> Hold on, I'll upload a picture of how I have things connected
[4:32] <Ownaginatious_> It may be that I'm just doing something really dumb
[4:32] <ShiftPlusOne> You just need gnd connected to gnd, tx to rx and rx to tx.
[4:32] <Ownaginatious_> That's what I thought
[4:33] <ShiftPlusOne> What are you doing in software so send information?
[4:33] <pksato> ok, you have a bt conneted on RPi, and a serial over bt, and setup it as tty terminal on inittab?
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[4:34] <Ownaginatious_> Well, I'm using Arch ARM so I don't think I have inittab
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[4:34] <pksato> usb bluetooth dongle.
[4:34] <pksato> or a rs232 to bluetooth?
[4:34] <ShiftPlusOne> Ownaginatious_, did you take the necessary steps to create a serial tty in arch?
[4:34] <Ownaginatious_> RS232
[4:35] <Ownaginatious_> Well, I didn't bother creating a serial TTY in arch because my intention is to actually just connect the serial port to an arduino with a level shifter later on
[4:35] <Ownaginatious_> I did take the steps however to make it so boot messages from the kernel should be printed over TTY
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[4:35] <ShiftPlusOne> paste your cmdline.txt
[4:36] <Ownaginatious_> smsc95xx.turbo_mode=N dwc_otg.lpm_enable=0 console=ttyAMA0,115200 kgdboc=ttyAMA0,115200 console=tty1 loglevel=5 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootfstype=ext4 rootwait init=/usr/lib/systemd/systemd
[4:36] <ShiftPlusOne> yup, that should do it.
[4:36] <Ownaginatious_> Here's how I have it hooked up
[4:36] <Ownaginatious_> http://i.imgur.com/IDxbqLl.jpg
[4:37] <Ownaginatious_> The raspberry pi is powering everything
[4:37] <ShiftPlusOne> You seem to have 4 pins connected to the pi when you should only have 3
[4:37] <ShiftPlusOne> ah, nvrm
[4:37] <ShiftPlusOne> it would need power I guess
[4:37] <Ownaginatious_> lol
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[4:37] <ShiftPlusOne> since the one I am using gets power from usb instead.
[4:37] <Ownaginatious_> I thought maybe the adapter just wasn't working, so I hooked up just the RX line on an arduino... but I still wasn't receiving anything
[4:38] <Ownaginatious_> It's like the serial port just doesn't work at all
[4:38] <ShiftPlusOne> Do you have anything else you could test? Like a standard 3.3v uart -> usb thing?
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[4:39] <Ownaginatious_> Well, I have two of that Bluetooth adapter, and I tried hooking them up together and they could talk with eachother just fine
[4:39] <Ownaginatious_> That's how I was able to set it to the proper bitrate, and that seemed to work okay :/
[4:39] <Ownaginatious_> Are there any tests I could do on the RPi to make sure its hardware is working?
[4:39] <pksato> 5V?
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[4:40] <Ownaginatious_> Ya, 5v, but it uses 3.3v logic on the tx/rx
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[4:40] <pksato> TX and TX is 3v3?
[4:40] <Ownaginatious_> Yes
[4:40] <Ownaginatious_> TX and RX rather
[4:40] <pksato> RX to TX, and TX to TX?
[4:40] <pksato> ops
[4:40] <pksato> RX to TX, and TX to RX?
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[4:41] <Ownaginatious_> I tried switching them numerous times thinking I got the TX/RX confused... but exact same result :/
[4:41] <pksato> bt paired?
[4:41] <Ownaginatious_> Yes
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[4:41] <ShiftPlusOne> I give up then. Good luck, pksato
[4:42] <pksato> on module, inter conect TX to RX.
[4:42] <pksato> now, any send, can be recieved. like eco on terminal emulator.
[4:42] <Ownaginatious_> Ya, just tried it now. That works.
[4:43] <pksato> rpi have /dev/ttyAM0?
[4:43] <ShiftPlusOne> Ownaginatious_, you could test the pi itself by testing..... what pksato just said
[4:43] <pksato> ttyAMA0
[4:44] <Ownaginatious_> Oh, good idea
[4:44] <Ownaginatious_> I'll try that, hold on
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[4:44] <pksato> before, need to disable console and tty
[4:45] <Ownaginatious_> I need to disable the console and TTY?
[4:45] <Ownaginatious_> I don't think tty is setup by default in the Arch Arm distribution
[4:45] <pksato> to test uart on rpi.
[4:45] <Ownaginatious_> Okay, I'll remove the lines from cmdline.txt
[4:45] <pksato> or.
[4:46] <pksato> plug led+resistor on tx pin to gnd. and see if blick,
[4:46] <pksato> blink
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[4:47] <Ownaginatious_> minicom -b 115200 -o -D /dev/ttyAMA0
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[4:47] <Ownaginatious_> Would that command be sufficient for testing?
[4:48] <pksato> I think so.
[4:48] <pksato> and set to soft flow control. xon/xoff
[4:49] <Ownaginatious_> How do I do that?
[4:50] <pksato> some menu on minicom
[4:50] <pksato> crtl+a c
[4:51] <Ownaginatious_> Here's what I see
[4:51] <Ownaginatious_> http://i.imgur.com/1BMABjL.png
[4:52] <pksato> O ?
[4:53] <pksato> crtl+a O "Serial Port Setup"
[4:53] <Ownaginatious_> Oh okay, I see soft flow control now
[4:53] <Ownaginatious_> I set it to "yes"
[4:53] <Ownaginatious_> How does this program work exactly? Do I just type into the nothingness?
[4:54] <pksato> yes.
[4:54] <Ownaginatious_> Hmm... well it doesn't look like anything is happening
[4:54] <Ownaginatious_> I don't even see what I type
[4:54] <pksato> if interconnect TX and RX, you get that you type.
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[4:56] <Ownaginatious_> Hmm, looks like it isn't working...
[4:56] <Ownaginatious_> They didn't change where the TX/RX pins are on older boards, did they?
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[4:59] <pksato> no
[5:00] <Ownaginatious_> Does the board itself have firmware? Maybe I need to update that :/
[5:00] <Ownaginatious_> This is one of the very first Raspberry PI's I think
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[5:16] <\\Mr_C\\> how is it that it can stillw rite with the LOCK switch on the memory card?
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[5:16] <kaste> probably just a hint that your os ignores?
[5:16] <\\Mr_C\\> hmm, oh, i thought it was a hardware type protection
[5:17] <kaste> maybe, I haven't opened one yet.
[5:17] <Ownaginatious_> Hmm... if I can't get anything out of tying my TX/RX lines together, is it safe to assume my serial UART is defective?
[5:18] <NullMoogleCable> so im messing around with getting a litecoin miner to compile on my rpi. it is haveing trouble with finding libcurl-dev. how can i go about installing this package?
[5:19] <kaste> NullMoogleCable: which os
[5:19] <NullMoogleCable> rasberian
[5:19] <kaste> close enough :)
[5:21] <NullMoogleCable> from what i can find no one has tried litecoin mining on a overclocked rpi :)
[5:21] <kaste> apt-cache search libcurl-dev gives you all the options of which there are three of which I suggest you use libcurl4-gnutls-dev
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[5:22] <NullMoogleCable> cool ty
[5:22] <coolty> yes NullMoogleCable ? lol
[5:22] <kaste> I suspect your turnout is pretty bad on a pi
[5:23] <NullMoogleCable> but if i link 3 in a cluster :) then things could get interesting
[5:23] <kaste> I run a bramble of twenty and my desktop still has more power :p
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[5:24] <kaste> what we'd really need is a gpu blob with opencl :/
[5:24] <coolty> NullMoogleCable: http://www.raspberrypi.com/mpeg-2-license-key/
[5:24] <NullMoogleCable> litecoin mining on a docktar got me enough coins over 3 years :)
[5:25] <coolty> but if you were using an ASIC miner at the same power.... 100x the coins!
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[5:28] <NullMoogleCable> has anyone made a pi i2c network yet or spi link?
[5:29] <NullMoogleCable> might be a fast way to communicate between 2 pi
[5:29] <NullMoogleCable> call is pi^2C
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[5:30] <NullMoogleCable> then you could set one pi to do 90% mem for video and have it be a dedicated gpu ish board and have the other do all the os stuffs
[5:31] <ShadowJK> i2c is slow
[5:32] <NullMoogleCable> up to 3.4 Mbit/s.
[5:37] <kaste> in theory
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[5:51] <Ownaginatious_> Should I just go buy a new RPi?
[5:51] <\\Mr_C\\> they are only 35 dollars
[5:52] <\\Mr_C\\> i smoke that up cigars each week
[5:54] <Lamperi> smoking is pretty expensive habit
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[5:55] <chupacabra> buy 2 at least
[5:55] <chupacabra> and 4 cards
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[6:09] <zarac> Hey folks.
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[6:28] <Scramblejams> Hi all. My media center box just died and I'm thinking of replacing it with a raspberry pi running xbmc. I've heard that the menus can be slow, that there are issues with video acceleration, etc. Can anybody give me a feel for what it's like to live with xbmc on rpi?
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[6:29] <zarac> Scramblejams: Do you enjoy hacking?
[6:32] <Scramblejams> zarac Oh sure, I admin lots of Linux servers, Linux has been my full time desktop OS since '98. I don't have a problem with that, but I'm looking for something that can be made to work well, and I don't know whether rpi and xbmc are quite there yet.
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[6:33] <Ownaginatious_> Have you used XBMC much before?
[6:33] <Scramblejams> a little. I'm a Boxee refugee.
[6:33] <zarac> I have no personal experience but my understanding is that it works quite well and is improving fairly dramatically.
[6:33] <Ownaginatious_> Well, I've been through basically every tv-solution
[6:33] <Ownaginatious_> Trying to setup a way to watch videos over the network for my parents
[6:34] <zarac> For someone who enjoys hacking.. that is. ; )
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[6:34] <Ownaginatious_> I'd honestly recommend an AppleTV. You can crack it to read SMB shares and the interface is a lot nicer than XMBC.
[6:34] <Scramblejams> Ownaginatious_: Yeah I was pretty happy with Boxee until the company went off the rails.
[6:34] <Ownaginatious_> Ya, I almost went with Boxee back when it first came out :/
[6:34] <Scramblejams> Ownaginatious_: No, AppleTV's codec support is insufficient for me. I'm much happier with VLC running the show under the covers.
[6:35] <Ownaginatious_> Hmm, that's true.
[6:35] <Ownaginatious_> I'm guessing nobody has hacked the AppleTV to support more codecs?
[6:35] <Scramblejams> Ownaginatious_: Don't know, but I also have a history of running Linux on Apple hardware and it was always precarious and fragile.
[6:35] <Scramblejams> Too much reverse engineering having to take place.
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[6:36] <Scramblejams> Okay, so I guess nobody here's actually running XBMC firsthand on an rpi then.
[6:36] <Ownaginatious_> The problem I see with the RPi is it lacking sufficient memory to do high quality video
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[6:36] <Scramblejams> Ownaginatious_: As far as I know the hardware decoder handles all that.
[6:37] <Ownaginatious_> I was thinking more in terms of caching
[6:37] <Scramblejams> Ownaginatious_: From watching the hardware decoder run on my last media center pc, it wasn't a memory intensive thing.
[6:37] <Scramblejams> Ownaginatious_: Oh, shouldn't be a problem if you've got the network bandwidth.
[6:37] <Scramblejams> (I'm assuming your library's on a fileserver)
[6:37] <Ownaginatious_> Hmm, it might be okay.
[6:37] <chupacabra> go spam somewhere else
[6:38] <Ownaginatious_> Oh whoops, I think I'm replying publicly to private messages
[6:38] <chupacabra> boring me
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[6:43] <NetBat> morning Pi pickers.
[6:43] <Ownaginatious_> Greetings NetBat.
[6:44] <NetBat> and how are we on this glorious morning?
[6:45] <Ownaginatious_> Sad
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[6:45] <Ownaginatious_> I think the UART is broken on my RPi
[6:46] <NetBat> Oh dear. What's "UART" again?
[6:46] <SwK> serial port :P
[6:47] <NetBat> SwK: Really? Why call it "UART" then?
[6:47] <SwK> because that is the proper name for it
[6:47] <Ownaginatious_> I dunno, just seems like everyone does online
[6:47] <SwK> Universal Async Receiver Transmitter
[6:47] <Ownaginatious_> I think because it's not a full-fledged serial port
[6:48] <SwK> its not a full blow RS-232 port
[6:48] <SwK> but its serial by definition, like I2C is a serial bus
[6:48] <Ownaginatious_> I can't seem to get any messages from it whatsoever
[6:48] <NetBat> FwK: Yes, because that was going to be my next question, why not clal it "RS232".
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[6:49] <MrTrick> NetBat: because it isn't.
[6:49] <xrosnight> what GUI camera software do you use on linux ?
[6:49] <SwK> RS232 refers to a specific electrical and physical interface standard
[6:49] <MrTrick> You could make it RS232 with some level shifters and etc... but as it is it's not RS232.
[6:49] <Ownaginatious_> Cheese is pretty good if you want to just take a picture
[6:50] <Ownaginatious_> The UART can't be disabled in the firmware somehow, can it? Because even when I tie RX/TX together, I don't receive anything.
[6:50] <NetBat> What it is that makes them serial?
[6:51] <Ownaginatious_> Sending one bit at a time
[6:51] <xrosnight> Ownaginatious_: but its just like zag zag very slow. how to change the FPS of the webcam?
[6:51] <NetBat> Ah yes, as the name suggests.
[6:52] <Ownaginatious_> xrosnight: No idea, unfortunately
[6:52] <NetBat> How is data transmitted via a USB port?
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[6:52] <xrosnight> Ownaginatious_: do you know any desktop recoding software?
[6:52] <xrosnight> on linux
[6:53] <Ownaginatious_> It's transmitted serially on a USB port, hence the acronym USB for "Universal Serial Bus"
[6:53] <SwK> NetBat: as the S in usb stands for, serially??? i2c is also a serial interface??? 1 bit at a time
[6:54] <\\Mr_C\\> is the cubieboard better than the raspberry pi?
[6:54] <Ownaginatious_> Although, the protocol USB uses is complicated as hell compared to what's done for SPI or I2C...
[6:54] <SwK> NetBat: the old LPT port on your desktop pc, or say a SCSI or old ATA/IDE HDD are all examples of parallel interface technologies
[6:54] <NetBat> and infinitely faster it would seem
[6:54] <SwK> Ownaginatious_: true
[6:55] <RiXtEr> NetBat, not necessarily, SATA is much faster than IDE (ATA) was
[6:55] <SwK> NetBat: serial vs parallel speed differences are relative to the implementation, serial interfaces really only hold the advantage in that it takes less wires for the interconnect (in general)
[6:56] <NetBat> I mean, USB seems faster than old serial
[6:56] <RiXtEr> NetBat, sure, but 15 years ago, nothing needed to be faster...
[6:56] <SwK> USB is much faster then old rs323 serial??? but 25 years ago modems only went to like 1200bps lol
[6:57] <Ownaginatious_> Parallel interfaces aren't so popular for long range transmission anymore I think because of the skews in data delivery time per line that you experience at super high speeds
[6:57] <RiXtEr> The Raspberry Pi has much better specs than my brand new computer that I bought in 98..
[6:57] <SwK> \\Mr_C\\: the cubieboard is just different
[6:57] <\\Mr_C\\> i like my raspi
[6:57] <Ownaginatious_> Nah, the Raspberry Pi CPU probably isn't as good as your computer in 98
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[6:57] <\\Mr_C\\> someone suggested to me try the cubie as well
[6:57] <RiXtEr> Ownaginatious_, I'd challenge that by saying multimode fiber is pretty stable...
[6:58] <Ownaginatious_> CISC architectures tend to kill RISC architectures in performance
[6:58] <SwK> Ownaginatious_: thats part of it, plus the amount of data you can cram down a single line now is vastly more then??? i mean really how much data can they cram down a single strand of fiber now?
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[6:59] <SwK> DWDM FTW heh
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[6:59] <RiXtEr> Ownaginatious_, Maybe not, but my 500 mhz p3 (candybar) processor was 2 times the size of my Raspberry Pi
[6:59] <RiXtEr> (Just the processor!)
[6:59] <Ownaginatious_> haha true
[7:00] <SwK> RiXtEr: did you ever pry the plastic off one of those P3s?
[7:00] <RiXtEr> SwK, YES! It was a reiser card with a solder'd on processor!
[7:00] <SwK> yep
[7:01] <xrosnight> Ownaginatious_: i find one. it's VLC
[7:01] <xrosnight> best
[7:01] <RiXtEr> I always thought it'd be fun to shove one of those in a pci slot just to see how much it smoked :)
[7:01] <SwK> i miss my old abit BP6 mobo tho??? Dual Celerons! heh
[7:01] <RiXtEr> I never had a good celeron...
[7:02] <Ownaginatious_> That's because they don't exist
[7:02] <RiXtEr> the p4 with H/T was da-bomb ;)
[7:02] <SwK> sure they did
[7:02] <RiXtEr> Ownaginatious_, yeah, but they cost $600 + to get that doubled up l2 cache ;)
[7:02] <SwK> Ownaginatious_: before intel started mucking with the internal die to package pin wiring you could take some of the first P3 celerons and run them SMP
[7:03] <RiXtEr> I still remember penciling in the contacts on my first AMD 1 ghz processor :)
[7:03] <RiXtEr> to Overclock it :)
[7:03] <SwK> heh
[7:03] <RiXtEr> anyway, this is off pi topic, gnight all :)
[7:03] <SwK> lol
[7:03] <SwK> its IRC, topics tend to wander
[7:04] <RiXtEr> Indeed.
[7:04] <NetBat> informative though.
[7:04] <RiXtEr> Remenissing is fun sometimes, especially when someone else knows what you are talking about ;)
[7:05] <NetBat> there you are then.
[7:05] * RiXtEr is out.
[7:05] <SwK> some times lol
[7:05] <NetBat> out where? :)
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[7:05] <SwK> then I just start feeling really old
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[7:06] <SwK> when I think about the first modem i had was 300baud and manually switched, no AT command set at all
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[7:06] <NetBat> fwk: How long ago was that?
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[7:07] <SwK> 25+ years
[7:07] <NetBat> 1988
[7:07] <SwK> nah efore that
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[7:07] <NetBat> 1988197
[7:07] <SwK> 85 or so
[7:08] <NetBat> hum
[7:08] <NetBat> I mean, 1987
[7:08] <SwK> sometime in the 80s anyway??? I've burned out to many brain cells since then
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[7:09] <NetBat> FwK: What sort of computer where you using wit this modem?
[7:09] <SwK> it was around 84/85, i was using a "new" TRS-80 model 4 that ran CP/M on a zilog Z8000 cpu
[7:10] <SwK> take that back it was a Z80
[7:10] <SwK> I think
[7:11] <NetBat> fwK: Progrmamingis fun on old machines.
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[7:12] <SwK> the worst was most of the time you had to run TRSDOS on the thing (usually referred to as TRaSh DOS)???
[7:12] <NetBat> fwK: tey encouraed more creative thinking in regards to the limited resoruces
[7:12] <SwK> yeah
[7:12] <NetBat> fwK: What languages did you use?
[7:13] <SwK> back then basic lol i was just a kid
[7:13] <SwK> (like in middle school)
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[7:14] <NetBat> fwK: BASCI is a good starting pint. I have a few machies with the z80 chip and they came with a specially modified basic interpreter
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[7:17] <SwK> mostly I just used it as a glorified modem terminal
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[7:19] <Ownaginatious_> I had to use Pascal recently at school
[7:19] <Ownaginatious_> I dislike that language.
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[7:19] <SwK> i know a kid back in the late 80s the wrote his own replacement for command.com in pascal
[7:21] <NetBat> What's the problem with Pascal?
[7:21] <SwK> I couldnt tell you, i never used it
[7:22] <Ownaginatious_> I had to use it for a compilers course just recently
[7:22] <Ownaginatious_> The problem I have with it is its very lacking in documentation. Makes sense since it kind of died before the internet became a thing.
[7:22] <NetBat> Oh, did they also give you the book by Wirth? :)
[7:22] <Ownaginatious_> "Compiler Design" ?
[7:23] <NetBat> Well, Pascal wasn't designed for tha tpurpose. As a matter of fact, it was always meant to be a teaching tool.
[7:23] <Ownaginatious_> Well, all of our notes were paraphrased from that lol.
[7:23] <NetBat> yes, Wirth's book on compilers
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[7:23] <Ownaginatious_> I think the main problem is with how school is structured these days.
[7:23] <Ownaginatious_> They make you take like 6 classes at once per semester and just rush through everything
[7:24] <NetBat> yes, time management seems to be the goal
[7:24] <Ownaginatious_> It's hard to learn something like Pascal to any sufficient degree when you have 5 other classes to worry about
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[7:24] <Ownaginatious_> I have this feeling back in the day you had fewer classes, but you learned them much more in depth.
[7:25] <NetBat> You're lucky they didn't insist on you doing web programming 905 of the time
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[7:25] <NetBat> 90% even
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[7:26] <BlueMint> Hi, would a 10 dollar Sandisk MicroSD 8GB SDHC memory card with an adapter work in the pi?
[7:27] <Ownaginatious_> Do you mean early web programming? It feels like a lot of work today is web programming, lol
[7:27] <SwK> BlueMint: probably, i use 4G class4 microSD from Sandisk all the time
[7:27] <BlueMint> okay thanks :) bye
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[7:29] <NetBat> Hmm, he loves everyone
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[7:54] <xrosnight> i hv downloaded OpenELEC, XBian, Raspbmc ( Which one to use??? ) Any Ideas?
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[7:56] <ShiftPlusOne> whichever you prefer
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[8:03] <benonsoftware> Has anyone here used a service like https://www.edis.at/en/server/colocation/austria/raspberrypi/ or somwthing from someone else?
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[8:06] <xrosnight> benonsoftware: what's colocation?
[8:06] <ShiftPlusOne> They take your pi and hook it up to the internet in their data center or whatever
[8:07] <benonsoftware> Pretty much.
[8:08] <xrosnight> ShiftPlusOne: read through
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[8:09] <xrosnight> any tried?
[8:09] <xrosnight> anyone?
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[8:10] <xrosnight> they said "The agreement is concluded for an indefinite period. We will not send the unit back after 1 week ;-)"
[8:11] <MrTrick> nifty idea... but why not just ship SD card, or .img file?
[8:11] <MrTrick> and pay for them to buy you one.
[8:12] <ShiftPlusOne> less work for them
[8:12] <benonsoftware> A "local" datacentre here is doing that in the next couple weeks so I might give it a ty with my RPi.
[8:18] <xrosnight> MrTrick: u r reasonable
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[8:19] <xrosnight> benonsoftware: so you are in AU?
[8:20] <benonsoftware> xrosnight: Yeah, Micron21 is the DC.
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[8:21] <xrosnight> i am just wondering what they are going to do with RPi in the very first week as they mentioned.
[8:22] <NetBat> Mr_P: hallo Austria.
[8:23] <Mr_P> @NetBat: Good morning from Austria! ;-)
[8:24] <xrosnight> Good afternoon from China :D
[8:24] <benonsoftware> Afternoon from Australia. :)
[8:24] <Bochi> middle of the night in germany :(
[8:25] <NetBat> that must be a long night at half past 8 in the morning
[8:25] <Bochi> 8:30 = middle of the night in my book
[8:25] <Bochi> I'm at work already though, kind of nightshift :P
[8:26] <NetBat> What do you do?
[8:33] <Triffid_Hunter> http://www.designspark.com/eng/blog/limited-edition-raspberry-pi <-- just came across my desk
[8:34] <ShiftPlusOne> fancy
[8:35] <benonsoftware> I wish I have one. :(
[8:39] <xrosnight> Triffid_Hunter: how did you get that?
[8:40] <Triffid_Hunter> xrosnight: local hackerspace mailing list
[8:40] <xrosnight> Triffid_Hunter: damn the comp closed..
[8:41] <xrosnight> The first competition will be hosted on Twitter from 4th March 2013 and will close on the 28th March 2013.
[8:41] <Triffid_Hunter> oh didn't see that part
[8:41] <xrosnight> when the 2nd round?
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[8:56] <Jck_true> http://tech.slashdot.org/story/13/04/11/2147208/jolla-ports-wayland-to-android-gpu-drivers
[8:56] <Jck_true> Guess we might have a future mobile focused OS for the Raspberry :)
[8:57] <ShiftPlusOne> >=/
[8:57] <Jck_true> SailFishOS does look kinda nice :)
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[8:57] <Jck_true> And if Wayland eventually runs on the RaspberryPi
[8:58] <ShiftPlusOne> Another distro is always a good thing, and android has a lot of software which would benefit the pi. Though I find it strange how people want to run a mobile os on everything. Doesn't seem to fit the purpose.
[8:58] <ShiftPlusOne> Doesn't wayland already work on the pi?
[8:58] <ShiftPlusOne> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RTk77JRAKw
[8:59] <Jck_true> ShiftPlusOne: Well - I for one would love a small tablet/smartphone like UI on a secondary screen
[8:59] <Jck_true> I allready got my laptop on my desk - Having a 15 inch screen for RSS feeds, pdf files etc would be nice
[8:59] <ShiftPlusOne> Do you really need all the overhead that android introduces for that though?
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[9:01] <ShiftPlusOne> Now then... to check out what this sailfishos thing is about
[9:01] <Jck_true> ShiftPlusOne: I would preffer to be without - But a linux terminal aint that userfriendly
[9:03] <ShiftPlusOne> It's not either one or the other. I haven't been following the whole linux mobile thing, but aren't there some great native linux interfaces for mobile phones already? From the nokia days and the maemo folks?
[9:04] <Jck_true> None that runs HW accelerated on the Pi :(
[9:04] <ShiftPlusOne> It's a shame vgrade doesn't hang around here anymore
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[9:06] <xrosnight> ShiftPlusOne: wayland seems freakin' cool
[9:06] <ShiftPlusOne> Yeah, I am looking forward to the death of X11 =D
[9:08] * ShadowJK wonders if wayland or X sucks more on things without proper drivers, like rPi
[9:09] <ShiftPlusOne> What do you mean?
[9:09] <xrosnight> have a look at this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIctzAQOe44
[9:09] <xrosnight> The Real Story Behind Wayland and X - Daniel Stone (linux.conf.au 2013)
[9:09] <ShiftPlusOne> Watched that a few weeks ago
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[9:15] <ShiftPlusOne> Ah, so sailfishos looks like exactly the sort of thing I was hoping to see.
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[9:25] <MrTrick> anyone here installed ROS on their RPI?
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[9:25] * qlex says hi
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[9:26] <qlex> i have mounted a exFAT external hdd (connected via powered HUB) to Rpi
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[9:26] <qlex> and now trying to change permission and users to all folders.
[9:26] <qlex> getting chown: changing ownership of `/media/owncloud': Function not implemented
[9:26] <qlex> could anyone help - for some reason i cannot change chmod and chown to /media/owncloud (but i can to /media only)
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[9:27] <Jck_true> qlex: Well - FAT doesn't support file groups :|
[9:27] <nid0> you cant change file group ownership on a fat drive, reformat it
[9:27] <qlex> Jck_true: anything i can do now ?
[9:27] <nid0> format it ext3/4
[9:28] <Triffid_Hunter> qlex: you have to remount with -o uid=someone,gid=somegroup
[9:28] <Triffid_Hunter> qlex: fat doesn't support permissions
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[9:28] <qlex> what is the line i should then add to fstab ?
[9:28] <qlex> so that it always mounts as /media/owncloud
[9:28] <qlex> and what is the command to format it as ext4 now ?
[9:28] <qlex> in windows i could only select exFAT and NTFS
[9:29] <nid0> fwiw, a usb external disk accessed remotely through the pi via owncloud is gonna be slowww
[9:29] <ShiftPlusOne> mkfs.ext4
[9:29] <Triffid_Hunter> qlex: yes. windows doesn't support ext3/4
[9:29] <qlex> nid0: why? because of Rpi ram
[9:29] <nid0> no, because of shared usb handling everything
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[9:30] <nid0> anything on the pi that involves network in > usb out > usb back in > network back out
[9:30] <nid0> such as reading info from a usb hdd over the network
[9:30] <nid0> will be horrible
[9:32] <qlex> but locally also ?
[9:33] <nid0> reading the data just from the pi will work fine, its just when you add the extra step of having the info going out over the network you'll hit a lot of congestion
[9:33] <nid0> probably not a major problem if you're not planning to do much more than, say, stream music from owncloud, just be aware that performance is gonna be bad
[9:34] <qlex> want to use owncloud as storage for all pictures taken and saved on all laptops at home
[9:34] <Jck_true> qlex: Don't expect 45MB/sec transfer speeds atleast :D
[9:35] <qlex> ok
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[9:35] <qlex> btw, i have a toshiba external hdd 500mb, but system sees it as 298mb
[9:35] <qlex> strange
[9:37] <Jck_true> 500MB harddrives? Does 90' era harddrives still spin?
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[9:48] <qlex> gb
[9:48] <qlex> sorry
[9:50] <qlex> it helped to reformat to ext4, owncloud works
[9:50] <qlex> thanks a lot, need to run now
[9:50] <qlex> bye
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[10:38] <gordonDrogon> morening Pi peeps.
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[10:44] <gadgetoid> Morning gordonDrogon
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[10:48] <Jck_true> :( Sailing season starts this weekend... Means I'll have little to none pi hacking time :(
[10:48] <gordonDrogon> another day in the kitchen for me.
[10:48] <Coffe> is there any rfid solution tested for rpi ?
[10:50] <Jck_true> Coffe: Read only or?
[10:50] <Coffe> Jck_true: that would be a start, but having it for programming would be nice.
[10:53] <Jck_true> You can buy readers/writers with a serial interface - But they are rather expensive (45USD if i recall)
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[10:57] <gordonDrogon> but they work and save the hassle.
[10:58] <Jck_true> gordonDrogon: But you don't get to tear your own hair off in fustration because you can't spend hours making something work...
[10:58] <gordonDrogon> Hm. they're not that expensive: http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/rfid-reader-id2-125khz-p-498.html ?20 ..
[10:58] <gordonDrogon> altough maybe ?20 is $45 these days ;-)
[10:58] <Jck_true> gordonDrogon: And that's read only Too :)
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[10:58] <NetBat> btw, people, is there a limit on capacity on SD cards that will work with Pi?
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[10:59] <gordonDrogon> I always fancied having an electronic door bolt rfid activated at home..
[10:59] <Jck_true> $8.50 For a USB RFID reader - (Not much specs through) - http://dx.com/p/intelligent-id-card-usb-reader-174455?Utm_rid=58973692&Utm_source=affiliate
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[11:04] <Triffid_Hunter> NetBat: last I checked, current SDHC spec is capped at 32G
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[11:04] <NetBat> Triffid_Hunter: gday mate. That's interesting. Is there a reason for that?
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[11:05] <Jck_true> NetBat: "limit of 32 GB for SDHC cards in the SD 2.0 specification."
[11:06] <NetBat> and I thoght Humanware were just cutting corners: <http://www.humanware.com/en-usa/products/blindness/dtb_players/compact_models>
[11:07] <Jck_true> "n 2006, A-DATA announced a Super Info SD card with a digital display that provided a two-character label and showed the amount of unused memory on the card."
[11:07] <Jck_true> LOL I totally want an SD card with a display on it :D
[11:07] <NetBat> Taht sounds cool!
[11:07] <NetBat> gosh, just shows you how far things have come
[11:07] <Triffid_Hunter> NetBat: there's 26 bits for the number of blocks in the CSD structure or something like that
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[11:08] <NetBat> although, the icing o the cake would be a speech synth or some sampled clips *telling* you how much there's left on the card
[11:09] <Jck_true> I guess it's kinda hard to see a display on a MicroSD card anyway
[11:09] <NetBat> Triffid_Hunter: yes, I was aware of the mem addressing limitations, but wasn't sure if it was a more common feature in more mainstream kits.
[11:10] <NetBat> Jck_True: the other dream product would be a talking mother board. I believe there was one out about 10 years ago or so, but it sort of disappeared into obscurity.
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[11:11] <Jck_true> Meeh - I want flying cars - They've been promsing that for 60 years
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[11:13] <NetBat> jck_True: what with the way people drive with all four wheels on the ground I don't think freedom of the airways would be such a great idea.
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[11:14] <NetBat> (flying broomsticks on the other hand ... :) )
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[11:16] <Jck_true> You right I guess... I'll just stick with hacking airplanes using my PHONE
[11:16] <BlueMint> Hi, I have a class 10 SDHC 8GB card. No matter what I do, I can't put the image onto it ): ANyone got some other methods from the normal win32 disk manager?
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[11:17] <NetBat> Jck_True: you know what? You may be onto something there -- an RF/RC aircraft with the Pi onboard.
[11:18] <Jck_true> BlueMint: What happens when you try?
[11:18] <BlueMint> Jck_true, oh the errors I get.. Error 5, error 121, error 117. You name it!
[11:18] <Triffid_Hunter> BlueMint: sounds like time for a linux livecd which will at least tell you why
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[11:19] <Jck_true> BlueMint: Tried formatting your card first? Using Windows or maybe an odd camera you got?
[11:20] <BlueMint> Jck_true, yep. FAT32
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[11:21] <Jck_true> Maybe it has some dead sectors - I don't really know
[11:21] <BlueMint> I bought it 5 hours ago ):
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[11:48] <BlueMint> COuld someone please help me?
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[11:49] <ShiftPlusOne> BlueMint, I'd use a linux livecd as triffid said
[11:49] <ShiftPlusOne> well, live usb*, but same thing
[11:49] <BlueMint> okay, mind talking me through that? Do I get a usb and get unetbootin or something?
[11:50] <BlueMint> is this in the windows environment, or am I botting into it?
[11:50] <Triffid_Hunter> BlueMint: the ubuntu livecds went both ways last time I checked.. image had a virtualiser of some sort on it
[11:52] <ShiftPlusOne> Yeah, I'd use something like unetbootin.
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[11:53] <BlueMint> Do many people find it does not work? (win32diskimager)?
[11:53] <ShiftPlusOne> I am sure it works fine for most people
[11:53] <Triffid_Hunter> BlueMint: everything in windows is suspect. always
[11:53] <BlueMint> I would use linux, but I use 4 monitors and 2 different GPUs and 2 drivers
[11:54] <BlueMint> Linux isn't nice with that, unfortuneately
[11:55] <Triffid_Hunter> switched gpu eh.. they'll be working on it I'm sure
[11:57] <BlueMint> I'm going to restart. I think I'm ready to punch a brick wall :)
[11:58] <Triffid_Hunter> BlueMint: you don't need a fancy graphics card to write an image to an SD card and see the error message if it fails
[11:58] <BlueMint> Triffid_Hunter, I know. It's just I've installed 6 billion things
[11:58] <BlueMint> tried it on OSX
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[12:00] <\\Mr_C\\> if im making a power cut off switch, which two would be a better choice to use as the main two wires? the black/ground, or the red/+5V?
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[12:01] <Triffid_Hunter> \\Mr_C\\: cut red
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[12:01] <\\Mr_C\\> thank you
[12:01] <ShiftPlusOne> Triffid_Hunter, does it make a difference?
[12:01] <Jck_true> No wait! The green wire!
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[12:01] <Triffid_Hunter> ShiftPlusOne: only if the pi is plugged into anything else which might create a ground loop and either power it or fry it
[12:02] <\\Mr_C\\> ive already tried that, it doesnt fry it
[12:03] * ShadowJK recommends cutting the pink wire
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[12:05] <\\Mr_C\\> weird how i only mentioned two colors, and now i see others being introduced
[12:05] <ShiftPlusOne> Ah, I don't quite get ground loops.
[12:05] <ShadowJK> If there's a pink wire, it has to be the evil one
[12:05] <ShadowJK> because only supervillains would use pink
[12:07] <Jck_true> ShiftPlusOne: Having ground from two differnt power supplies won't be the "same ground"
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[12:09] <ShadowJK> The powersupply to my Pi is a bit like that, it has enough leakage to real ground, that touching usb shield gives me shock through earbuds that have a chromed ring
[12:11] <ShiftPlusOne> Yeah, I understand the idea, I am just havind a hard time fully understanding how independent supplies work. I understand that they may both be 5v, but at different potentials, for example. But I am a bit iffy about what happens when you connect the two gnd signals.
[12:11] <Jck_true> I just consider everything as relative
[12:12] <Jck_true> There's 5V between GND and VCC
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[12:12] <Triffid_Hunter> ShiftPlusOne: the capacitance between each supply's indepdendent ground and the earth discharges
[12:12] <Jck_true> But GND another place may lay 20 V above VCC of the first
[12:12] <Triffid_Hunter> it gets tricksy when one or both supplies has some sort of connection to mains safety earth or worse- mains neutral
[12:13] <Triffid_Hunter> almost all switchmode supplies have capacitors to mains safety earth, which means they (and anything they power) can fry things when plugged in
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[12:14] <ShiftPlusOne> hm, fair enough
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[12:15] <ShadowJK> Almost all the switchmode supplies in this room has no connection to safety earth
[12:15] <ShadowJK> Only the desktop PC's psu
[12:16] <Triffid_Hunter> ShadowJK: problem with switchers is that either they have capacitors to mains earth or they don't pass EMI regulations because the switching noise is capacitively coupled through the transformer to the output
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[12:17] <ShadowJK> And yet somehow a huge amount are sold that don't even have a physical pin for earth connection?
[12:17] <BlueMint> So, I have power in, HDMI in, keyboard in, SD card in and a red light lights up. What now?
[12:17] <BlueMint> (i've never turne dit on before) :P
[12:17] <Triffid_Hunter> ShadowJK: yeah that's what scares me.. those ones must have capacitors to mains neutral instead
[12:17] <ShadowJK> and for use in non-polarized outlets
[12:17] <ShiftPlusOne> Say I have a dev board that runs off my laptop's usb port (which is running off the battery) and I use a serial->usb converter to my main pc, effectively connecting my pc's usb gnd to my laptop's gnd. Is there the possibility that something would go wrong or would things just adjust accordingly? Then, in the same scenario, what would happen if I hooked up 5v before hooking up gnd, would that po
[12:17] <ShiftPlusOne> ssibly fry something?
[12:17] <ShadowJK> so they don't know which is neutral and which is phase.
[12:17] <Triffid_Hunter> BlueMint: if the image flashed correctly you should get rainbows on the screen, then linux booting
[12:18] <BlueMint> Triffid_Hunter, so you reckon it didn't flash correctly....
[12:18] <Triffid_Hunter> ShiftPlusOne: if the grounds connect first you'll be fine. if 5v touches first, things can get fried due to the capacitors in the laptop power brick
[12:19] <Triffid_Hunter> BlueMint: when it's flashed you should see 1 fat16 partition and 1 'unknown' partition in disk manager
[12:19] <Triffid_Hunter> BlueMint: the fat16 partition should have a drive letter, and contain files called "config.txt", "cmdline.txt" and probably a few others
[12:20] <ShiftPlusOne> Alright, thanks, that all makes sense.
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[12:22] <Triffid_Hunter> ShiftPlusOne: for your mental model, remember that a capacitor is simply two conductive things that aren't electrically connected. so the two independent power domains have an "invisible" capacitor between them, and each one also has a capacitor to ground. when you connect the grounds, those capacitors get shorted out, the two domains have a common ground and data can flow back and forth
[12:23] <ShiftPlusOne> yup
[12:26] <ShiftPlusOne> Being a final year EE student and not knowing some basic things like that really makes me think I should be messing around with electronics a bit more. >.>
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[12:35] <Triffid_Hunter> ShiftPlusOne: heh definitely. I tried uni for a semester, but when I found myself helping 5th year EEs with their assignments and finding they didn't even understand decoupling let alone the RF black magic they were invoking I decided I'd rather learn electronics
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[12:41] <ShiftPlusOne> Yup, I have to say most of what I've learned and still remember was done outside of uni and out of my own curiosity. I suppose university gave me a framework to understand these things on a deeper level and learn all of the maths that goes into laplace and fourier transforms and all of that, but when it comes to practical thing, I am not sure that I got much out of it. =/
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[12:42] <Triffid_Hunter> ShiftPlusOne: heh I'm yet to do a laplace or fourier transform
[12:44] <ShiftPlusOne> Which uni did you try anyway?
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[12:45] <Triffid_Hunter> ShiftPlusOne: a random australian one
[12:45] <ShiftPlusOne> Well I figured that much, heh.
[12:46] <ShiftPlusOne> (I am in RMIT myself)
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[12:48] <Triffid_Hunter> ShiftPlusOne: ah, was griffith. wasn't sure of locality and familiarity
[12:49] <ShiftPlusOne> Fair enough
[12:56] <BlueMint> Triffid_Hunter, do you live near the sutherland shire?
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[12:57] <Triffid_Hunter> BlueMint: nope, never even heard of it
[12:57] <BlueMint> I'm at that point where I'm willing to pay for someone to put the OS on this for me..
[12:59] <ShiftPlusOne> Then you should be able to get a pre-installed card on ebay
[13:00] <BlueMint> I already purchased the SD card today :/
[13:00] <ShiftPlusOne> Can't hurt to have an extra sd card
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[13:00] <BlueMint> I have another ocming form ebay ):
[13:00] <jelly1> trouble using dd?
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[13:00] <ShiftPlusOne> Can't hurt to have an extra 2 then >=/
[13:01] <BlueMint> jelly1, I don't know what dd is. I have windows :/
[13:01] <BlueMint> ShiftPlusOne, heh
[13:02] <jelly1> BlueMint: it exists for windows
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[13:03] <BlueMint> I've tried windiskimager and got 4 different error types and i've tried it flashnul and it worked 'succesfully'. And I tried it on OSX with RPI-sd card builder and it didn't work
[13:04] <jelly1> whrrm
[13:04] <jelly1> I have no clue how do you it on OSX/Windows :P
[13:04] <jelly1> but there are numerous tools for putting an os on windows
[13:04] <jelly1> err on usb
[13:05] <BlueMint> jelly1, the laptop has the built in card reader is locked to windows
[13:05] <BlueMint> (government owned)
[13:05] <jelly1> lolwut
[13:05] <jelly1> so permissions might be the problem
[13:06] <BlueMint> flashnul didn't need permissions
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[13:07] <jelly1> BlueMint: so what error did it gave then
[13:07] <BlueMint> jelly1, didn't give an error. Said it was usccesful
[13:08] <jelly1> ok
[13:08] <BlueMint> successful*
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[13:11] <BlueMint> Is there another alternative then burning the image onto the SD? Maybe a network thing?
[13:12] <jelly1> no
[13:12] <jelly1> it should just work
[13:12] <Triffid_Hunter> BlueMint: the rpi's cpu uses the fat16 partition on the SD card to know what to do
[13:12] <jelly1> also since you provided no error why would it fail
[13:12] <jelly1> BlueMint: after you flashed it, what did booting it do?
[13:12] <Triffid_Hunter> if it's not there, it goes into a sulk. the onboard startup commands aren't advanced enough to hit the network
[13:13] <BlueMint> jelly1, absolutely no difference to when it had no SD card in it
[13:13] <jelly1> BlueMint: well is the /boot partition on it
[13:14] <BlueMint> jelly1, how do I tell?
[13:14] <jelly1> BlueMint: insert it to laptop..
[13:14] <jelly1> mount it?
[13:14] <jelly1> or use a superior OS :P
[13:14] <Jck_true> Open it on windows - See if there's a "config.txt"
[13:14] <BlueMint> Windows can't open FAT16
[13:14] <jelly1> BlueMint: lies
[13:14] <ShiftPlusOne> O_o
[13:14] <BlueMint> Says I have to change the format to view the inside
[13:15] <jelly1> BlueMint: well don't
[13:15] <jelly1> windows is silly
[13:15] <jelly1> the first partition is fat16, and the other windows can't read
[13:15] <BlueMint> windows is shit
[13:15] <ShiftPlusOne> yes, but mind the language
[13:15] <Jck_true> Windows is awesome!
[13:15] <BlueMint> Sorry!
[13:15] * Jck_true hugs his WinXP install from 2008 that still runs
[13:16] <jelly1> O_O
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[13:17] <jelly1> BlueMint: anyway is it there?
[13:17] <BlueMint> it shows up in windows
[13:17] <BlueMint> But I can't see what's in it
[13:17] <jelly1> BlueMint: check the first parition
[13:18] <jelly1> aka label
[13:18] <BlueMint> how? ):
[13:19] <jelly1> by clicking?
[13:19] <BlueMint> "The volume does not contain a recognized file system"
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[13:20] <jelly1> BlueMint: there are two new labels right?
[13:20] <BlueMint> nope?
[13:20] <jelly1> hrrm that sounds strange
[13:20] <ShiftPlusOne> BlueMint, feel free to mail be your card and two 60c stamps and an envelope and I'll install it for you and send it back >_<
[13:20] <BlueMint> ShiftPlusOne, where do you live? :)
[13:20] <jelly1> but I am not sure, since I don't use raspbian :P
[13:21] <ShiftPlusOne> Melbourne
[13:21] <jelly1> or send it to the netherlands
[13:21] <jelly1> ShiftPlusOne: but what if he wants archlinuxarm instead of raspbian!
[13:21] <jelly1> :P
[13:21] <BlueMint> ShiftPlusOne, are you sure that is fine by you? I'll include a little extra
[13:21] <ShiftPlusOne> Lol, 'course it will take me a minute
[13:21] <BlueMint> wow, thank you :))
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[13:25] * ShiftPlusOne has stumbled upon a good scheme to get free sd cards.
[13:25] <BlueMint> ... heh
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[13:29] <frontendloader> so I've got my serial line set up but I'm not getting a login terminal when I connect to it
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[13:30] <ShiftPlusOne> Which distro?
[13:30] <frontendloader> I can write to it via /dev/ttyAMA0
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[13:30] <frontendloader> raspbian
[13:30] <ShiftPlusOne> I am not sure if it works by default. Can you pastebin your /etc/inittab ?
[13:31] <frontendloader> 2013-02-09
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[13:32] <frontendloader> http://pastebin.com/0vTq4Cn6 not sure why the guide I read wanted me to comment out that last line
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[13:33] <frontendloader> which is the only change I made to that file
[13:33] <ShiftPlusOne> You don't want to comment it out.
[13:33] <ShiftPlusOne> I think the guide may have said to do so if you wanted to use the serial for other, more generic purposes rather than a getty.
[13:34] <frontendloader> well hell
[13:34] <frontendloader> maybe I should just have gone with my gut there in the first place, that worked
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[13:36] <frontendloader> are there any other better solutions to not being able to "get at" your pi when wifi is unavailable?
[13:37] <ShiftPlusOne> in my opinion, serial is as good as it gets and very handy to have.
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[13:38] <frontendloader> but I may be using those uart pins
[13:38] <frontendloader> for something else
[13:38] <Triffid_Hunter> I like ethernet
[13:38] <frontendloader> would a crossover cable work?
[13:39] <ShiftPlusOne> either cable would work
[13:39] <frontendloader> oh it's fancy enough to notice when it's wired "wrong"?
[13:39] <ShiftPlusOne> Aren't all modern NICs?
[13:40] <frontendloader> I dunno, I've never wired two pcs together like that since the warcraft 2 days
[13:41] <ShiftPlusOne> I think it's a part of autonegotiation (somebody correct me if I am wrong). But yeah, you can definitely use either cable.
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[13:42] <ShiftPlusOne> Ah, there we go. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auto-MDIX#Auto-MDIX
[13:42] <Triffid_Hunter> yeah check for auto-mdix in the smsc phy's datasheet, pretty sure it has
[13:42] <frontendloader> ha
[13:42] <frontendloader> and only one port needs it
[13:43] <Triffid_Hunter> yep
[13:43] <Triffid_Hunter> i always wonder.. when you connect two auto-mdix together, how do they decide which one swaps?
[13:44] <ShiftPlusOne> http://www.ieee802.org/3/ab/public/feb98/ddmdix1.pdf
[13:45] <ShiftPlusOne> Not sure if that answers the question, since I am not sure what the hell is going on there.
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[13:46] <Triffid_Hunter> ShiftPlusOne: yeah looks about right
[13:47] <Coffe> this weekend i have to do something with my other pi.
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[14:21] <xrosnight> anyone knows how to download youtube videos??
[14:22] <ShiftPlusOne> yes
[14:22] <xrosnight> ShiftPlusOne: How ?
[14:22] <ShiftPlusOne> you can use youtube-dl, for example
[14:22] <ShiftPlusOne> you mean on a pi or in general?
[14:22] <xrosnight> in general
[14:23] <ShiftPlusOne> This seems to be able to download just about anything. http://www.tubemaster.net/down.html
[14:23] <ShiftPlusOne> And there are lots of firefox plugins that do something similar
[14:24] <ShiftPlusOne> FVD Video Downloader for example
[14:24] <ShiftPlusOne> It doesn't work with youtube in chrome/chromium due to google's terms of service, but the firefox version works fine.
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[14:25] <ShiftPlusOne> And then there's keepvid.com
[14:26] <ShiftPlusOne> On a pi, I'd use youtube-dl though
[14:28] <xrosnight> ShiftPlusOne: i am trying youtube-dl
[14:28] <xrosnight> thank you:)
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[14:28] <ShiftPlusOne> np
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[14:33] <frontendloader> isn't there a way to make the rpi connect to /any/ open wifi automatically?
[14:33] <ShiftPlusOne> there is
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[14:33] <ShiftPlusOne> Not very smart, but it can be done.
[14:33] <nid0> sure, its generally a bit stupid though
[14:33] <frontendloader> is it an /etc/network/interfaces option or a wpa supplicant thing?
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[14:34] <Hazza> just launch lxde and set up via gui
[14:34] <frontendloader> no gui
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[14:34] <Hazza> are you running arch?
[14:34] <frontendloader> raspbian
[14:35] <Triffid_Hunter> frontendloader: I use wpa for that.. just set a default profile for any AP. google has details
[14:36] <Hazza> well just type startx and use temporary hdmi setup for ease of setup
[14:37] <frontendloader> sorry, no reason to use a gui here
[14:37] <Hazza> just use wpa then
[14:37] <ShiftPlusOne> Hazza, I think he wants it to automatically connect to any open network whenever one if available. Not having a list of pre-configured networks. In which case the gui doesn't do much good AFAIK
[14:38] <Hazza> ah yes misread sorry
[14:38] <Hazza> thats a bit stupid but anyway
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[14:44] <frontendloader> turns out I can't spell priority
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[14:48] <frontendloader> which was causing wpa_supplicant file to be unreadable
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[15:02] <Kakko> would someone point me to a good guide for beginners programming on the pi?
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[15:06] <jelly1> Kakko: find a regular programming book..
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[15:08] <Kakko> i can program html, that wont help?
[15:08] <BlueMint> Not exactly a programming language
[15:08] <BlueMint> But it will help
[15:09] <Kakko> i know, that was a joke
[15:09] <Kakko> should i go with python, or?
[15:09] <BlueMint> whoosh. sorry.
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[15:10] <Kakko> i dont know much about programming with linux, done some work with c++ and c# on windows
[15:10] <neilr> I guess what language you choose will depend on what you want to use it for ! There's no easy answer, sadly
[15:10] <neilr> Why not use gcc on the pi then if you already know it?
[15:11] <jelly1> Kakko: just use whatever you like
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[15:20] <gordonDrogon> BASIC.
[15:21] <Bochi> VISUAL.
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[15:37] <raspberrypi> (nick jakeri
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[15:37] <jakeri> :D
[15:37] <jakeri> whoops
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[15:38] <IT_Sean> it's the / key wou'll be wanting there, jakeri
[15:38] <jakeri> yep
[15:38] <jakeri> it's right next to ( in finnish keyboard you know
[15:39] <ShiftPlusOne> You have an excuse jakeri. I am not sure how IT_Sean managed to hit a w instead of a y though.
[15:39] <jakeri> yeah that too
[15:39] <IT_Sean> gah!
[15:39] <IT_Sean> I blame ShiftPlusOne
[15:39] <ShiftPlusOne> I think you owe us all an explanation, Sean.
[15:39] <jakeri> hmm
[15:40] <jakeri> i wonder would it be possible to connect c64 keyboard to raspberry gpio
[15:40] * IT_Sean makes ShiftPlusOne a not entirely channel appropriate suggestion
[15:40] <ShiftPlusOne> Well that's just not very polite.
[15:40] <Coffe> is there a easy way of modifining the std leds ?
[15:40] <jakeri> though i guess gpio doesn't have enough pins :(
[15:41] <ShiftPlusOne> jakeri, and yes, that should be perfectly doable.
[15:41] <ShiftPlusOne> You can use a gpio expander
[15:41] <jakeri> oh cool :)
[15:41] <ShiftPlusOne> I'll look into it quickly
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[15:42] <jakeri> yay :)
[15:43] <jakeri> c64 keyboard is matrix keyboard so it's luckily quite simple
[15:43] <ShiftPlusOne> Thought so
[15:43] <ShiftPlusOne> Was just going through the service manual to check, but I am sure that's right.
[15:44] <ShiftPlusOne> Though I am not sure why you would want to. That's a terrible keyboard. All spongy and bleh
[15:44] <ShiftPlusOne> At least mine is. Did they all use springs?
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[15:49] <jakeri> no i dont think so
[15:50] <jakeri> although i can't remember
[15:50] <ShiftPlusOne> But yeah, it's an 8x8 matrix + the restore key. The service manual has a nice table of which key is where.
[15:50] <jakeri> cool :o
[15:50] <jakeri> i dont have the servicemanual
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[15:50] <jakeri> do you have it on pc or paper ?
[15:50] <ShiftPlusOne> PC
[15:51] <jakeri> can you send it :)
[15:51] <ShiftPlusOne> Yeah, hang on
[15:51] <jakeri> yay :)
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[15:51] <ShiftPlusOne> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/175702/C64_SERVICE_MANUAL.pdf
[15:51] <jakeri> thanks :)
[15:52] <ShiftPlusOne> np
[15:53] <jakeri> was c128 keyboard matrix too
[15:53] <jakeri> because i have 3 dead c128's
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[15:53] <jakeri> and their keyboards were really much better
[15:53] <ShiftPlusOne> No idea, I only have a c64. Should be the same though.
[15:53] <jakeri> yeah
[15:54] <jakeri> but why am i even thinking about doing this :) ? -because why not :D
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[15:55] <ShiftPlusOne> I think a C64 would make a nice pi case. But it would be terrible to use if you use a stock c64 keyboard
[15:55] <jakeri> yeah
[15:55] <jakeri> the new c64 pc keyboard would be nice
[15:55] <jakeri> as it has cherry mx blues
[15:56] <jakeri> but the price
[15:56] <jakeri> seriously 345dollars for the case only :|
[15:56] <IT_Sean> :o
[15:57] <ShiftPlusOne> Are you talking about the new commodore that's just a pc in a commodore style case?
[15:57] <jakeri> yep
[15:57] <jakeri> as i said the "the new c64 pc keyboard"
[15:57] <ShiftPlusOne> Yup, just confirming
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[15:58] <jakeri> but it would be too easy and too expensive
[15:58] <ShiftPlusOne> Heh, a lot of interesting stuff here http://www.bombjack.org/commodore/books-generic.htm
[15:58] <jakeri> and too embarrasing
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[16:21] <dreamreal> ah, comal
[16:21] <dreamreal> I loved comal back in the day
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[16:30] <KebabBob> I'm having some troubles with my pis stop responding after a few days running. I'm not sure if it's just the network adapter that's out, or if they're just frozen.. I'm running them remotely and headless, so I can't really tell which it is... Anyone with some helpful debugging tips? :)
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[16:31] <IT_Sean> My first thought would be to plonk in a monitor and keyboard, so you can see if it is actually freezing, or just dropping off the network.
[16:32] <KebabBob> Yeah that's the thing... It's far away from where I am :P
[16:32] <coolty> and my second thoughts are wtf are you running on them? :o
[16:32] <KebabBob> Pretty much just raspbian with a few extra packages
[16:32] <KebabBob> And connected to arduino
[16:32] <coolty> oh
[16:32] <KebabBob> Remote monitoring
[16:33] <IT_Sean> well, i hate to say it, but, the way to answer the "are they freezing or just dropping net" question is to plug in a monitor and keyboard.
[16:34] <ShiftPlusOne> or serial
[16:34] <IT_Sean> Indeed.
[16:34] <KebabBob> Yeah I figured that much :)
[16:34] <IT_Sean> Either way, you would need to be On Site.
[16:34] <KebabBob> Just wondering if this could be some known issue
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[16:35] <KebabBob> I think it's possible it's just the thernet... But wouldn't it get online again after it failing?
[16:35] <IT_Sean> well, that depends on why it is failing.
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[16:44] <daswort> hi i have problem with preparing the sd card.
[16:44] <daswort> used this guide: http://elinux.org/RPi_Easy_SD_Card_Setup#Copying_an_image_to_the_SD_card_in_Linux_.28command_line.29
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[16:45] <daswort> with both bs=4M and 1M, but i cant mount it on my netbook.
[16:47] <daswort> the fs is "unknown"
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[16:49] <AngryMutation> hey all, I'm trying to update my pi's firmware but I'm getting stupidly slow speeds when downloading (~4kb/s) on all of my other systems on the network I'm getting 1.2mb/s
[16:49] <AngryMutation> any ideas why it might be going so slow?
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[16:52] <rymate1234> AngryMutation: Server side issues?
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[16:53] <AngryMutation> rymate1234, possibly, I'll try wget on something else
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[16:53] <AngryMutation> it's rpi-update that's downloading really slow
[16:54] <rymate1234> So maybe the server where the firmware is being slow
[16:55] <ShiftPlusOne> AngryMutation, what's your tp1-tp2 and polyfuse voltage?
[16:57] <AngryMutation> ShiftPlusOne, not sure how do I check?
[16:57] <ShiftPlusOne> Do you have a multimeter?
[16:57] <AngryMutation> nope
[16:57] <Armand> I just thought.. headless Pi, what's the peak draw (mA) on start-up ?
[16:57] <IT_Sean> get one
[16:57] <ShiftPlusOne> No idea then.
[16:58] <Armand> I have no USB devices.. just power and network.
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[16:59] <AngryMutation> do I really need to go out and buy a multimeter just because my down speeds aren't as high as they should be?
[17:00] <Satorin> Can anyone help me out with my question of wiring a Nokia 5110 directly to the RPi?
[17:00] <Satorin> It runs on 3V so I should be able to wire it up to the GPIO pins directly.
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[17:01] <ShadowJK> i don't think undervoltage would drop speeds, I'd expect crashes though
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[17:01] <Satorin> I want to buy http://dx.com/p/140226 and http://dx.com/p/151650 and then wire it up directly to the GPIO pins without any breadboard or soldering.
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[17:02] <ShiftPlusOne> AngryMutation, no, not at all.
[17:02] <Satorin> Would that be possible?
[17:03] <IT_Sean> Satorin: what do you want to DO with it once it's wired in?
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[17:03] <IT_Sean> I mean... you can physically connect wires all day long, but...
[17:03] <Satorin> Display IP/MAC/Uptime and other basis system information.
[17:03] <Satorin> There's a lib for that.
[17:03] <AngryMutation> running my pi headless though SSH seems to have got dl speeds up, still sluggish though
[17:03] <Satorin> I do not have difficulty coding at all, but I'm horrible with electrical wiring and stuff.
[17:04] <Satorin> All demos of the LCD use a breadboard somewhere.
[17:04] <Satorin> But I'd prefer to just hook it up directly, I don't own a soldering iron.
[17:04] <DeadEndRadio> so how are you going to connect it without soldering or using a breadboard?
[17:05] <Satorin> Using cables. There are pins on the LCD itself.
[17:05] <Satorin> I'm just not sure if that'll work - so I figured I'd ask here.
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[17:05] <IT_Sean> Do you know what kind of display it is?
[17:05] <ShiftPlusOne> The LCD is designed for 5v though, isn't it?
[17:05] <DeadEndRadio> It should work just as well as soldering
[17:06] <DeadEndRadio> if it is compatible
[17:06] <IT_Sean> i.e. what communication standard it uses?
[17:06] <Satorin> No, it's 3v.
[17:06] <Satorin> http://img.dxcdn.com/productimages/sku_140226_2.jpg
[17:06] <Satorin> ^ This picture illustrates it.
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[17:06] <DeadEndRadio> the only thing is the mechanical connection might not be that great
[17:06] <Satorin> I was planning on just running wires from those pins to the GPIO. (Female to female.)
[17:06] <ShiftPlusOne> I don't see any voltge levels in that picture
[17:07] <Satorin> "Since the PCD8544-chip and the GPIO pins of Raspberry Pi are designed to run at 3V3 and both have 3V communication levels there is no logic level shifter (e.g. 4050 like with Arduino) required."
[17:07] <Satorin> - http://binerry.de/post/25787954149/pcd8544-library-for-raspberry-pi
[17:07] <Satorin> This applies to the Nokia 5110 LCD.
[17:07] <ShiftPlusOne> ah, nice
[17:07] <Satorin> The dealextreme page states "It uses the PCD8544 controller"
[17:08] <Satorin> So that shouldn't be an issue. :)
[17:08] <ShiftPlusOne> I think it should be fine, but I don't promise anything.
[17:08] <Satorin> It's just that I'm horrible with the physical aspect of electronics, but would really like to connect a simple LCD for the sake of being able to stare at my uptime without having to SSH.
[17:08] <DeadEndRadio> If your project is going to be in an environment where it gets vibrated or jarred a lot, the cables might not be ideal
[17:08] <DeadEndRadio> but it will technically work just as well as soldering
[17:08] <Satorin> DeadEndRadio, it's not. It's stationary.
[17:08] <Satorin> Great!
[17:10] <Satorin> It would be pretty nice paying under 10$ and having a working LCD... without having to use soldering equipment.
[17:10] <ShiftPlusOne> Heh, soldering equipment isn't radioactive you know
[17:10] <DeadEndRadio> yeah I might actually get a few of those myself, that looks pretty good
[17:11] <DeadEndRadio> Yeah, that would be a good project to learn to solder on
[17:11] <IT_Sean> ^ wot 'e said
[17:11] <buzzsaw> ShiftPlusOne: could lead to lead poisining...
[17:11] <DeadEndRadio> the pins look pretty decently spaced on the LCD controller
[17:11] <ShiftPlusOne> If you eat the lead or don't wash your hands after soldering, sure.
[17:11] <buzzsaw> there are a bunch of 2x16 LCD on ebay for cheap
[17:12] * buzzsaw only washes hands before going to the restroom...
[17:12] <Satorin> I prefer the 5110 over a 2x16 one.
[17:12] <Satorin> Much more space.
[17:12] <Satorin> And you can draw pretty much whatever you wish.
[17:12] <ShiftPlusOne> ...before?
[17:12] <buzzsaw> check ebay :-) you might find a cheap one
[17:12] <buzzsaw> yeah... go to be careful what you get down there...
[17:12] <buzzsaw> s/go/got
[17:12] <DeadEndRadio> this has a few more pixels to work with than a 2X16
[17:12] <ShiftPlusOne> O_o
[17:13] <IT_Sean> aaaaaalllriight
[17:13] <buzzsaw> what can I say... My parents taught me to to pee on my hands...
[17:13] * buzzsaw goes back to work
[17:13] <ShiftPlusOne> Interesting hygene habits here on IRC
[17:13] <IT_Sean> ...
[17:13] <IT_Sean> Indeed
[17:13] <buzzsaw> ;-)
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[17:14] <buzzsaw> I guess the joke is more funny when you worked as an aircraft mechanic in south korea...
[17:14] <buzzsaw> PLENTY of worse things you could get on your hands...
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[17:15] <Satorin> Buying it! :)
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[17:23] <n3hxs> Also check aliexpress.com for displays.
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[17:25] * mgottschlag just got two 128x64 pixel displays for 18??? each, going to play with one this evening :)
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[17:25] <jakeri> argh
[17:26] <jakeri> damn freenode nickserv,
[17:26] <buzzsaw> what did you do wrong?
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[17:33] <jakeri> just should put automatic script on it
[17:33] <jakeri> because for some reason my irc keeps reconnecting randomly about twice a day
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[17:34] <jakeri> and because of that it wont get back to this channel because this channel has identify requrement
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[17:35] <ShiftPlusOne> What client are you using?
[17:36] <jakeri> mirc
[17:36] <jakeri> yeah i know it should be easy to put up a script for that
[17:36] * coolty a5m0
[17:36] <ShiftPlusOne> Set up a server password. So that you are automatically identified as you connect to the server
[17:37] <jakeri> oh :o
[17:37] <ShiftPlusOne> "If your client supports server password, please set this up as accountname:password. Make sure to include the colon. This will allow you to identify to your services account on connect, regardless of the nickname you are using when you connect. For example:
[17:37] <jakeri> didn't know about that option
[17:37] <ShiftPlusOne> /connect chat.freenode.net 6667 mquin:uwhY8wgzWw22-zXs.M39p
[17:38] <jakeri> thanks :)
[17:38] <ShiftPlusOne> np
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[17:44] <siamba> how long it takes to generate MPEG-2 license key?
[17:45] <ShiftPlusOne> However long it takes for the person on the other end to get around to sending them out I suppose.
[17:45] <ShiftPlusOne> and I am guessing they do that a couple of times per week
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[17:48] <siamba> ShiftPlusOne: oh
[17:48] * siamba expected to check the difference right now
[17:49] <ShiftPlusOne> nope
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[17:55] <saivert> has anyone had problems with bad contact for SD card? Raspbian said it couldn't mount the root device just now. then I took out the SD card, inserted it again and now it works.
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[17:55] <IT_Sean> Soubnds like the card may have just not been seated properly
[17:56] <saivert> Well it is a MicroSD card inserted into an adapter
[17:56] <saivert> so that adapter might be wonky too
[17:56] <ShiftPlusOne> saivert, very common problem afik. Try blowing into the connector.
[17:56] <IT_Sean> Could be that as well.
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[17:56] <IT_Sean> ShiftPlusOne: We call that "The Nintendo Fix"
[17:56] <ShiftPlusOne> indeed
[17:56] <saivert> IT_Sean: oh yes. blow on connector. hahaha
[17:56] * IT_Sean remembers removing the cartridge, blowing out the dust, then putting it back in
[17:57] <saivert> Also I got a case from ModMyPI. hope my RPi gets enough cooling
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[17:57] <IT_Sean> saivert: it should be fine.
[17:57] <ShiftPlusOne> It definitely gets enough cooling.
[17:57] <ShiftPlusOne> Even without ventilation
[17:58] <saivert> That NIC/USB hub combo chip gets really hot sometimes
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[17:58] <ShiftPlusOne> That's fine
[17:58] <IT_Sean> -.-
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[17:59] <saivert> crap. the ext4 partition is corrupted it seems
[17:59] <HattCzech> can anyone help me with some bluetooth keyboard issues on my pi?
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[17:59] <HattCzech> i connected the device, and i see that information is sent
[18:00] <coffe> Hi. so sugestions for what to install on my second rpi ?
[18:00] <HattCzech> but no characters show up when i type
[18:02] <nid0> whats on your first pi
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[18:07] <ShiftPlusOne> ShadowJK, are you around?
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[18:09] <coffe> nid0, rasbmx
[18:11] <saivert> Think I will throw this microsd adapter away. piece of shit
[18:12] <geordie> coffe: occidentalis?
[18:12] <geordie> i'm curious to play with that
[18:12] <geordie> RISCOS?
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[18:36] <KayGridley> afternoon all
[18:37] <KayGridley> anyone able to help with what I think is a missing driver issue please?
[18:37] <ShiftPlusOne> KayGridley, generally you just ask the question you want to ask and see if anyone can answer.
[18:38] <KayGridley> ShiftPlusOne, sorry new channel, have been bitten before by just asking
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[18:38] <ShiftPlusOne> That's odd
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[18:38] <KayGridley> i'm trying to get hostapd working but keep getting the erro "invalid/unknown driver 'nl80211'
[18:39] <KayGridley> bitten in other channel I mean, not here :)
[18:39] <ShiftPlusOne> Yes, generally in IRC you get bitten by asking to ask not just asking.
[18:40] * IT_Sean puts up a sign reading "One question per day. 'can i ask a question?' counts as a question."
[18:40] <IT_Sean> :p
[18:40] <KayGridley> I can't for the life of me figure out why the driver is unknown etc as if I'm just using it to connect to another network it is fine, just causing problems when i try to use it with hostapd
[18:40] <ShiftPlusOne> Can you pastebin the full output of dmesg?
[18:40] <KayGridley> lol will consider myself duly warned IT_Sean
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[18:40] <IT_Sean> KayGridley: i was joking. :p
[18:41] <KayGridley> Configuration file: /etc/hostapd/hostapd.conf
[18:41] <KayGridley> Line 2: invalid/unknown driver 'nl80211'
[18:41] <KayGridley> 1 errors found in configuration file '/etc/hostapd/hostapd.comf'
[18:41] <KayGridley> IT_Sean I know :)
[18:41] <ShiftPlusOne> KayGridley, http://sirlagz.net/2012/08/09/how-to-use-the-raspberry-pi-as-a-wireless-access-pointrouter-part-1/
[18:42] <ShiftPlusOne> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=25921
[18:43] <KayGridley> ShiftPlusOne thats what I've been working from, but I get to the end and get the error message :/
[18:43] <ShiftPlusOne> Yup, that forum thread is linked from that article and seems to say exactly how to get around this problem
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[18:45] <KayGridley> ah somehow I'd missed the link, drat, sorry
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[18:45] <KayGridley> looks like monday morning is going to be compiling a new driver :/
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[18:45] <ShiftPlusOne> yaaay
[18:47] <KayGridley> lol :)
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[18:48] <KayGridley> thanks for the help all
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[18:49] <ShiftPlusOne> good luck
[18:50] <KayGridley> reading that lot, I suspect I may be back looking for help on Monday :) remembering of course just to ask :P
[18:50] <IT_Sean> lol
[18:50] <ShiftPlusOne> and read things carefuly >.>
[18:50] <IT_Sean> We'll be here.
[18:51] <ShiftPlusOne> And practice your google-fu <.<
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[19:01] <daswort> i wrote the raspbian image to my sd card, and tried to mount it but i get the following error: exit status 32: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdb1
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[19:02] <daswort> did the same with the arch image and everything worked.
[19:03] <ShiftPlusOne> I can mount either without any problems. =/
[19:03] <linuxstb> daswort: Does it work in the Pi though?
[19:04] <daswort> linuxstb~ i have no monitor for the pi atm, i need to edit the files on the sd card. because i need ssh at boot
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[19:04] <linuxstb> daswort: You have ssh at boot without editing anything
[19:05] <NullMoogleCable> so check this out
[19:05] <linuxstb> Unless DHCP isn't working on your network.
[19:05] <NullMoogleCable> I got my pi mining litecoins lastnight overclocked 2.22 KHash/s
[19:05] <daswort> linuxstb~ really? the internet had another information (~stackoverflow)
[19:06] <linuxstb> From when? The first few versions of Raspbian needed it enabling, but they changed it.
[19:06] <linuxstb> Probably around October last year I think, maybe earlier.
[19:06] <NullMoogleCable> in contrast my crappy core2 dual laptop got the same 2.22 KHash/s but with more shares 3,510
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[19:10] <daswort> weird i resized the partition (boot) in gparted and it gets mounted in the background.
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[19:34] <daswort> why have all the files in /boot the name *.txt?
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[19:35] <wroberts1> some of them have .dat or .img
[19:35] <wroberts1> or .elf
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[19:41] <daswort> *textfiles :)
[19:41] <daswort> but why? is windows confused without them?
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[19:49] <HattCzech> can anyone help me with some bluetooth keyboard issues on my pi? i connected the device, and i see that information is sent (based on the ui showing up/down transmissions), but no characters show up when i type...
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[19:49] * buzzsaw does not trust bluetooth
[19:49] <Satorin> The latest Raspbian has SSH on by default, right?
[19:50] <Nimatek> Satorin: Yes, it does.
[19:50] <HattCzech> Satorin: when i set mine up, it asked, but i think it was already on
[19:50] <Satorin> Good!
[19:50] <Satorin> Thanks.
[19:51] <Satorin> Now I just need to wait for my powered hub to come in, stupid overvolting WiFi adapter...
[19:51] <HattCzech> what kind did you get?
[19:51] <HattCzech> i just ordered one from modmypi (seems to be a good one)
[19:51] <Nimatek> I was pleased by that fact when I set up mine a few days ago. Didn't want to connect a monitor.
[19:52] <HattCzech> yeah, i just need to get my bluetooth keyboard working :/
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[19:53] <HattCzech> do i need to change the layout or something for it to work?
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[19:53] <advisor> hi everyone
[19:53] <HattCzech> buzzsaw: you don't trust bluetooth with rpi, or in general?
[19:53] <advisor> i have an issue with a 24/7 on raspi
[19:53] <advisor> it keeps rebooting at random times
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[19:55] <advisor> can't find anything in teh logs
[19:55] <advisor> machine has been running since about august
[19:55] <advisor> box was overclocked to max, isn't anymore
[19:55] <advisor> issue keeps happening
[19:56] <advisor> no cronjob
[19:57] <advisor> could it be the psu, could the flash card be corrupted?
[19:57] <IT_Sean> Could be either
[19:57] <advisor> what else could it be? aside of the box being compromised
[19:58] <IT_Sean> It could be a problem with the OS. It could be a corrupted SD card. It could be a squiffy power supply.
[19:58] <Nimatek> That does sound like a hardware problem, especially with the overclocking.
[19:58] <IT_Sean> it could be other things as well.
[19:58] <IT_Sean> Nimatek: I doubt it.
[19:58] <buzzsaw> in general :-)
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[20:05] <Undertasker> Anybody here familiar with tvheadend?
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[20:14] <ShadowJK> ShiftPlusOne; what's up?
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[20:47] <zastaph> can I run raspbian in virtualbox? i know i wont emulate ARM, but will it run on x86?
[20:49] <plugwash> No
[20:49] <IT_Sean> No
[20:50] <applegekko> you can with qemu tho
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[20:50] <zastaph> yep but cant get bridged networking working with qemu, so can't emulate a raspbian pi server well :)
[20:51] <zastaph> would be cool if I could somehow setup raspbian with vagrant or puppet and just deploy to SD and Pi
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[21:07] <vabi> is there any chances of software official fix for the crappy usb port (problems with wireless keyboards for example)?
[21:08] <aca20031> Technically a full destop using linux question, but i feel like I can get some good help here : Im writing a kernel modules with just one goal: Read a change in a switch using the parallel port. I tried testing by doing outb(2) and connected data-1 to data-0 (presumably then writing data to it) and then using inb...but inb always returns 2, not 3 as I expected
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[21:10] <pksato> aca20031: parallel port? unload related modules? and get permission from kernel to use io range of pp port?
[21:10] <ShadowJK> outb isn't relevant except on a PC with a real parallell port (not usb)
[21:10] <aca20031> it is a real parallel port
[21:10] <aca20031> its kernel spacecode, and parport is unloaded. I was able to write a driver i nthe same way for a simple LED that was already wired
[21:11] <saivert> vabi: sadly a powered hub doesn't fix it
[21:11] <aca20031> am I wrong to expect a wire connecting d1 and d0 to show input on d0 when I write to d1?
[21:11] <saivert> I experience the same issues with my A4data wireless keyboard. I have added it to the eLinux wiki as not working
[21:11] <vabi> saivert, yes, because it's not problem with too low power :p
[21:12] <vabi> saivert: I have a4techh too, it's working on arch really better
[21:12] <vabi> but in console, after starting xserver it's making problems, less than on raspbian but still, it's not funny :c
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[21:13] <saivert> vabi: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=39175
[21:14] <saivert> the only new news about this
[21:14] <saivert> since the "Elephant in the room" thread got locked
[21:15] <saivert> I guess there really isn't a lot of effort put into fixing it by the foundation itself as it mostly works with wired keyboards of any kind and thus works as an educational tool.
[21:15] <vabi> saivert: yup, i saw that, i hadn't time to try, it's working for me on arch, and i'm dealing with it :D
[21:15] <saivert> This is sadly a thing they didn't catch in the design process of the Raspberry Pi as it didn't go through rigorous testing like any other commercial product does.
[21:16] <saivert> and because they had to reduce cost as much as possible we are where we are
[21:17] <saivert> I'm currently using SSH and VNC to control my Raspberry Pi as I can't be arsed to have separate input devices for it.
[21:17] <vabi> yes, but it's repairable i think, it's some software hacks that would work, i like my rasp, i'm using ito to make my crt smart tv :D plus gaems, so it's not so big pain for me.
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[21:35] <Helldesk> hmm... let's say I've got python scraping a bunch of strings and I have a match, but I'm interested in the string that immediately follows the matching string... and I'm going through it in a for loop; how do I refer to the *next* one and put it somewhere?
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[21:38] <dfrey> Helldesk: Are you searching for one specific line or possibly many lines?
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[21:44] <plugwash> personally what i'd do is have a flag variable, set it when I got a match and then on the next iteration if it's set do something and clear it
[21:44] <plugwash> but there are many ways to skin that cat
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[21:50] <Helldesk> dfrey: many lines, but not all are interesting
[21:51] <Helldesk> I thought about doing flags
[21:51] <Helldesk> but apparently I can do something like the index+1 too?
[21:51] <Helldesk> and get it done "on the same round" as it were
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[21:52] <plugwash> sometimes that can indeed by a good approach
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[21:52] <plugwash> you do have to watch out for edge cases though
[21:52] <plugwash> to avoid trying to read past the end of your data structure
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[21:53] <Helldesk> yeah... in this case the source data is something that should not yield surprises, except if reading it failed
[21:53] <Helldesk> but then there's nothing to read in the first place
[21:54] <Helldesk> is assert made for these things?
[21:54] <Helldesk> cases, rather
[21:54] <pecorade> Hi.
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[21:58] <dfrey> Helldesk: Just to clarify... Each time you find a matching line, you want the line following that?
[21:58] <Helldesk> yes
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[21:59] <dfrey> Helldesk: Is the line that follows a matching line to be considered a candidate for matching as well?
[22:00] <Helldesk> if a match is found in a string, the next string that comes up on the next round is the one I want, and this happens a few times
[22:00] <Helldesk> but the string following the thing to match only needs to be cleaned up and stored as a number
[22:01] <Helldesk> rinse and repeat until you run out of strings
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[22:02] <dfrey> Helldesk: What do you mean by "stored as a number"?
[22:02] <Helldesk> sure there could be some additional checking, like making sure the next string is indeed what is expected
[22:03] <dfrey> Do you want the strings as a result or the index of those strings in the original input?
[22:03] <Helldesk> well, the thing reads a web page, so the string needs to be converted to a float, after stripping out non-numerical stuff and whitespaces etc.
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[22:04] <Helldesk> and said floats need to be associated with the matching string
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[22:05] <Helldesk> tofloat or something, right?
[22:06] <Helldesk> I guess enumerate is the right tool to first handle the input
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[22:20] <gyeben> do you know any program which can be ran on the pi and is good for detecting dead pixels on my new monitor?
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[22:21] <steve_rox> detecting dead pixels?
[22:21] <Helldesk> your eye?
[22:21] <steve_rox> if the industy had that it would be handy
[22:21] <dfrey> gyeben: There are webpages that you can go to that just show a solid red, blue, green and black image and then you can scan the screen looking for dead or hot pixels
[22:21] <steve_rox> manufactuerin process was so bad they wouldent accept it as return unless it was 5 pixels in a cluster
[22:21] <Helldesk> just displayblack, white, red, green and blue full screen images
[22:22] <IT_Sean> steve_rox: dead pixel detection is normally a manual process. You display a solid color on the screen, and look for a dead spot. You do it first with red, then green, then blue.
[22:22] <steve_rox> exactly
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[22:22] <Helldesk> and maybe switch them if lazy pixels exist (slower to change)
[22:23] <Helldesk> thought I don't recall if such things have ever existed
[22:25] <steve_rox> ppl made videos that flashed every color many times a sec in a attempt to unstick em
[22:25] <Helldesk> yes
[22:25] <dfrey> Helldesk: http://pastebin.com/TkPmDD6G
[22:26] <Datalink> that's iffy if it'll work, also helps to use secondary colors, so first Red, Green, Blue, then Cyan, Magenta, Yellow, sometimes the subpixel will only stand out that way, depends on the screen
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[22:26] <dfrey> Is that what you meant?
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[22:27] <Helldesk> ooh, that seems like it would do it nicely
[22:27] <Helldesk> thank you
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[22:28] <Helldesk> is res a list of tuples?
[22:30] <dfrey> Helldesk: res is just the input string that matched
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[22:30] <dfrey> sorry, the string after the one the matched
[22:30] <Helldesk> of course
[22:31] <Helldesk> what is the re lib?
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[22:41] <Helldesk> ok, looks like I'm trying to feed it a generator and it has no len
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[22:42] <gordonDrogon> there's a place in the UK that will do a 'dead pixel check' on all new monitors - they do charge a bit for it though.
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[22:48] <mgottschlag> gordonDrogon: how fast is wiringPi compared to C MMIO access? I'd like to bit-bang JTAG
[22:49] <mgottschlag> (or more specifically, Serial Wire Debug, I have an STM32F0 and the bootloader doesn't seem to work as it should)
[22:50] <mgottschlag> oh, wait, or does wiringpi even use memory mapped registers? shouldn't be any difference then... :)
[22:52] <gordonDrogon> mgottschlag, hi
[22:53] <gordonDrogon> it uses memory mapped registers.
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[22:53] <gordonDrogon> if you use wiringPiSetup() or wiringPiSetupGpio() then it uses direct memory access to the GPIO registers.
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[22:54] <gordonDrogon> the limit is something like 20M gpio accesses/second, so the fastest square wave you could generate might be 10MHz or so.
[22:54] <mgottschlag> okay, thx
[22:55] <mgottschlag> how fast is switching between input/output?
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[23:00] <gordonDrogon> pretty fast - like the same time as setting an output bit.
[23:00] <gordonDrogon> I was playing with capacitance sensing recently - that involves changing from output to input very quicky - didn't seem to have any issues.
[23:02] <SpeedEvil> gordonDrogon: DMA may change that
[23:02] <SpeedEvil> unsure.
[23:04] <dfrey> Helldesk: It won't be super efficient, but you can just convert the generator to a list
[23:04] <gordonDrogon> lots of things can get in the way of normal program execution...
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[23:08] <dfrey> Helldesk: the re module is regular expressions
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[23:24] <Helldesk> heh, I ended up making a list out of it, but I'm being told it's unnecessary
[23:24] <Helldesk> but doing it without a list was what I first tried... but now I can't remember exactly what the error was without making a list out of it
[23:24] <Helldesk> I guess it was when I tried to find its length, which wasn't necessary though
[23:25] <Nimatek> Helldesk: You can use next() on a generator to get the next element.
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[23:26] <Helldesk> ooh, thanks
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[23:26] <Helldesk> like data.next()?
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[23:27] <Nimatek> Helldesk: Yes.
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[23:30] <wroberts1> gordonDrogon: have you tried select() for waiting on gpio input change?
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[23:32] <gordonDrogon> wroberts1, no, I use poll()
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[23:33] <wroberts1> i suppose thats sorta the same thing, with a timeout
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[23:36] <wroberts1> if my wiringPiISR callback fails to be called, can i diagnose with gpio utility?
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[23:38] <gordonDrogon> you can simulate the inputs with the gpio command -
[23:39] <gordonDrogon> you make the pin input and set the pull-up (or pull-down), then you can use gpio to change the pull-up to pull-down or vice versa and that ought to trigger the interrupt.
[23:39] <gordonDrogon> have a look at: http://unicorn.drogon.net/isr.c
[23:39] <wroberts1> i have something that drives it
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[23:40] <gordonDrogon> select() has a timeout too, but it's more complex to setup than poll()
[23:42] <wroberts1> when i run the command gpio exports, it shows 25: in 1 rising
[23:42] <gordonDrogon> means its set to input, value is 1 and set to trigger on a rising edge.
[23:43] <gordonDrogon> so it needs to go low then high again to trigger.
[23:43] <Helldesk> ugh, I've got the a for loop going through a generator, but how do I refer to the next() from inside the loop?
[23:43] <Helldesk> for foo in data.stripped_strings:
[23:43] <Helldesk> if(foo == 'bar'):
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[23:44] <Helldesk> print("%s %s" % (foo, ????))
[23:44] <Helldesk> I want the thing that would come next after foo to be printed as well
[23:46] <Helldesk> "data" is a generator made by beautiful soup and I strip its strings clean of whitespaces
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[23:57] <Helldesk> reading up on http://docs.python.org/2/library/functions.html#next
[23:58] <Helldesk> and http://docs.python.org/2/reference/simple_stmts.html#yield

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