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IRC Log for 2013-04-13

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[0:00] <groundnuty> hey, can I buy and atach any usb wifi adapter or is there a list of compatibile hardware?
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[0:01] <wroberts1> http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals#Working_USB_Wi-Fi_Adapters
[0:06] <Nimatek> Helldesk: I'm not a python person but you could probably do something like http://codepad.org/LqK6ppG8
[0:07] <Helldesk> right now I'm trying to wrap my head around the issue of where to use this generator, that generates the strings
[0:08] <Helldesk> can I just define something that uses this soup.stripped_strings generator? won't it, uh, exist already?
[0:10] <Helldesk> hmm... brain... clicking away...
[0:10] <Helldesk> I'll get it any time now :p
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[0:12] <Nimatek> Helldesk: The function I posted should work. It takes a generator, a predicate (or matching function), and a processing function as arguments. It applies the processing function to elemets the follow an element where the predicate returns true.
[0:13] <Nimatek> elements that follow*
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[0:13] <Helldesk> sure, what I'm stumbling at is what in it corresponds to what I've got working here so far
[0:14] <Helldesk> where to use which argument of mine and so on
[0:15] <Helldesk> I'll put "soup.stripped_strings" in place of "gen" and...
[0:16] <Helldesk> trying it out in a moment
[0:16] <Helldesk> thanks in advance :)
[0:16] <home> what are you guys using to run a webserver on Python
[0:16] <home> anyone had luck with Django or Mezzanine?
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[0:20] <JohannesG> mmmm??? red wine and cheese
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[0:33] <wroberts1> waitForInteruptSys()... not sure why it needs a timeout if it runs in its own thread
[0:36] <Helldesk> Nimatek: except: needs to be indented at the same level as try:, right?
[0:36] <Helldesk> it's off by one, otherwise I'm about to test run my flavour of it...
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[0:38] <Helldesk> it works!
[0:39] <Helldesk> now I just need to make the matching and processing functions fully featured
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[0:40] <Nimatek> Helldesk: Yeah, I just typed it into the codepad thing, probably screwed up the indent.
[0:40] <Helldesk> I already made the processing function to eat two arguments; I'll just need to export them too, and make the matching thing refer to an external source for the desired list of data points
[0:40] <Helldesk> sweet
[0:41] <Nimatek> Also careful with the except, I just put it there so it would ignore the exception when the generator runs out, but you probably don't want to ignore all exceptions that get thrown in your processing.
[0:42] <Nimatek> The 'pass' I mean.
[0:42] <Helldesk> it's a thing that is re-run often, like once a minute or however it is deemed necessary later
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[0:43] <Helldesk> if there are issues, it's probably desirable to just try again when it's time
[0:43] <Helldesk> it'll be polling something on a local network
[0:43] <Helldesk> but sending a notice about the issue would be useful
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[0:45] <Helldesk> though of course it throws the exception every time it's run, since it's supposed to be running out of stuff to process at the moment
[0:46] <Helldesk> as it stands now
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[0:50] <Helldesk> what's the point of x1 = x2 though?
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[1:58] <Nimatek> Helldesk: You can just pass on catching the StopIteration exception only. And x1 = x2 is to step to the next element.
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[2:35] <Helldesk> yeah, I figured
[2:35] <Helldesk> but hmm... I've been trying to expand this thing to catch the following situation:
[2:36] <Helldesk> if a certain string is encountered, I need to slice an identifier out of that string, and then return the next six (three pairs) of strings
[2:36] <Helldesk> process, rather
[2:37] <Helldesk> I'm doing that with re.search("foo", a) and slicing the relevant digit out of it with a[n]
[2:37] <Helldesk> but I'm not sure how to elegantly reorganize this so that it's neat
[2:38] <Helldesk> a big bunch of repeating a = b and b = gen.next() statements in the parsing function are ugly
[2:39] <Helldesk> though it works
[2:40] <Helldesk> these three pairs of strings following the other kind of thing to look for are always in the same order
[2:40] * plugwash remembers a situation like that where I had variables called previous current and next or so
[2:40] <Helldesk> but .next() can only advance the generator once, right?
[2:41] <Helldesk> would be nice if I could jump twice
[2:41] <Helldesk> step, rather
[2:42] <Nimatek> Call it twice?
[2:42] <plugwash> mmm, sometimes you really can't avoid using a chain of variables
[2:42] <Helldesk> yeah, I'm afraid it might be the end solution
[2:42] <Nimatek> As for elegant, that would be monadic parsing using Haskell and the Parsec library, or something like that :p
[2:43] <Helldesk> I was thinking of separating some of this into yet another function I'd just call with an argument specifying how many steps I want to advance, but eh
[2:43] <Helldesk> is it even possible to pass on the same generator?
[2:44] <Helldesk> I'd have to pass and return the x1 and x2 (used in your code)
[2:45] <Helldesk> sometimes in C, even, global variables are called for...
[2:46] <Helldesk> heck, I'll just add a couple more variables and get it done
[2:47] <Nimatek> You can use itertools..
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[2:56] <\\Mr_C\\> i cant get raspbian-r3.img to work for the life of me
[2:59] <plugwash> what model of Pi do you have?
[3:00] <plugwash> hexxeh's images are very old now and it wouldn't surprise me if their firmware had trouble on newer Pis
[3:00] <Helldesk> I've got the Raspberry kind
[3:01] <plugwash> (sorry to clarify my last two messages were directed at \\Mr_C\\
[3:02] <\\Mr_C\\> its the model b
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[3:02] <Helldesk> I know, I was in jest
[3:02] <\\Mr_C\\> ive tried 3 different memory cards
[3:03] <plugwash> "model B" alone doesn't tell me much, but i'm betting it's a recent model (512M ram? possiblly hynix ram?)
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[3:16] <\\Mr_C\\> yes
[3:17] <Helldesk> alright; now I just need to define these strings I want to match against in an external configuration file... and do a bit of converting for some of the strings, into floats and ints
[3:17] <Helldesk> and then tackle pushing the data into a database and...
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[3:19] <Helldesk> right now there's a bunch of or conditionals in one if statement; if I read a list from a file, what would be an elegant way to match against them? just loop through it?
[3:20] <Helldesk> and when and how to check if the file has been updated...
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[3:24] <peepsalot> hello, i just put raspbian on my pi and it auto-ran the curses-looking configure app. i thought i set everything correctly, but when i go to lxde desktop it thinks i'm spanish
[3:25] <peepsalot> how do i run that config again
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[3:27] <\\Mr_C\\> ppepalot
[3:27] <\\Mr_C\\> raspi-config
[3:28] <peepsalot> ok thanks
[3:28] <peepsalot> i guess i picked es_US.UTF-8 instead of en_US.UTF-8 on accident
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[3:31] <Scriven> Down with wpa-suppliment.
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[3:31] <Scriven> may it die a fiery death. :|
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[4:11] <myth> lol, topic
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[4:19] <myth> calimocho, you use fedora on the raspberry pi?
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[4:26] <myth> idle
[4:26] <myth> idle
[4:26] <myth> idle
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[4:47] <\\Mr_C\\> is there a firefox browser for raspi?
[4:48] <ParkerR> iceweasel
[4:48] <\\Mr_C\\> apt-get install firefox isnt working
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[4:50] <ParkerR> iceweasel
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[4:51] <\\Mr_C\\> thank you
[4:51] <\\Mr_C\\> hehe
[4:51] <ParkerR> Np
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[4:51] <\\Mr_C\\> just kidding, but what about internet explorer
[4:51] <ParkerR> Well if the Pi was x86...
[4:51] <ParkerR> wine
[4:51] <ParkerR> XD
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[4:51] <\\Mr_C\\> i was just joking, i cant stand IE
[4:55] <Triffid_Hunter> \\Mr_C\\: you'd need an x86 emulator for IE.. apparently win3.0 works under dosbox, would be slow as hell though
[4:55] <\\Mr_C\\> hehe
[4:56] <ParkerR> There's also rpix86
[4:56] <ParkerR> Slightly better DOS emulation than dosbox on the Pi
[4:58] <myth> am I the only one around here... who uses linux as her primary os?
[4:58] <\\Mr_C\\> im using linux
[4:58] <myth> on your pi?
[4:58] <\\Mr_C\\> yes
[4:59] <myth> join the risc os master race
[4:59] <Triffid_Hunter> myth: I've been using linux desktop for a decade
[4:59] <myth> orly
[4:59] <myth> what distro do you use?
[4:59] <Triffid_Hunter> gentoo
[4:59] <\\Mr_C\\> i bounce around them all
[4:59] <\\Mr_C\\> well not all
[4:59] <myth> okay
[4:59] <\\Mr_C\\> but alot of them
[4:59] <myth> I use fedora here
[5:00] <myth> wuzzup foshizzle
[5:00] <myth> gentoo on my netbook
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[5:06] <ParkerR> myth, I usually use some debian based distro or another most of the time
[5:06] <ParkerR> I keep WIndows around for games
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[5:08] <Triffid_Hunter> I can't handle distros with binary packages, always end up in dependency hell within a couple of weeks
[5:09] <ParkerR> I can usually stay away from dependency hell by just leaving my system alone and not pulling ackages fro other versions
[5:09] <ParkerR> *packages
[5:09] <Triffid_Hunter> heh problem is I'm a developer.. I want stable versions of many packages and beta versions or even git head of others
[5:10] <ParkerR> Heh
[5:10] <ParkerR> Understandable
[5:10] <Triffid_Hunter> debian, fedora, etc all have complete conniptions when I try that, gentoo says "yeah sure here you go"
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[5:13] <myth> eh
[5:14] <myth> I think android holds the future for games
[5:17] <Scriven> I can't believe I'm still having issues with wpa_supplicant, especially since it DID work at one point. lol
[5:18] * Scriven bangs head against wall.
[5:18] <Scriven> It's EVIL!
[5:19] <Scriven> I've been using linux almost exclusively on desktop, and for running all my servers (yes multiple) since 1995! Redhat -> Debian -> Gentoo -> Debian
[5:20] <Scriven> with ubuntu as a destop for the last few years, and raspbian / rasbmc on the pis
[5:20] * myth Ubuntu -> Gentoo -> Fedora -> Gentoo
[5:20] <Scriven> Once redhat hit version 6, doubled the price and turned crappy, I haven't touch an rpm-based distro since... rpm dependancy heck is FTL.
[5:20] <myth> lol
[5:20] <Scriven> I may get back into gentoo when I get my distributed compiling cluster working again.
[5:21] <Scriven> ccache + distcc + x-compiling FTW
[5:21] <Scriven> but given all that experience it's so frustrating to be having these silly wifi issues. lol!
[5:21] <sam_nazarko> hmm
[5:22] <sam_nazarko> I try avoid dependency hell by building in a chroot
[5:22] <myth> Scriven, I used redhat 7.3 on my dad's computer
[5:22] <myth> it was okay.
[5:22] <Scriven> I think it was ParkerR who helped me b4, thought it was all working even... but tried to set up a 2nd roaming setup and everything went b0rk.
[5:22] <Scriven> I was a die-hard red hatter, bought at full retail price and everythin... then 6 came alongg and pissed me off something fierce.
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[5:22] <Scriven> NEVER AGAIN!
[5:23] <Scriven> sam_nazarko, how does that fix the rpm circular redundency BS...
[5:23] <sam_nazarko> Oh I don't touch rpm
[5:23] <Scriven> rpm was just so terrible that I'll never go back.
[5:23] <sam_nazarko> don't use rpm distros
[5:23] <ParkerR> myth, Yeah the future for mostly casual gaming. PCs and consoles will always have more of the AAA titles
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[5:24] <Scriven> emerge was cool, and apt-get is excellent. the freebsd ports system looks cool too actually, have been tempted by it a few times, but haven't quite taken the plunge yet.
[5:24] <sam_nazarko> apt-get is nice now it tracks orphaned packages, but even before then you just used aptitude
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[5:25] <Scriven> never used aptitude actually, apt-get just comes out automatically lol
[5:25] <sam_nazarko> and most of the time apt-get -f install will resolve dependency issues or at least inform you of the issue
[5:25] <sam_nazarko> aptitude was good originally because apt did not track dependencies of dependencies
[5:25] <ParkerR> install -f :P
[5:25] <Scriven> yeah, I've found it 'good enough' for ages.
[5:25] <Scriven> I find it funny I've been using linux and running a home network for probably longer than some rpi users have been alive. lol!
[5:26] <sam_nazarko> born in 1994 so won't debate that
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[5:26] <Scriven> I started it in 1995. lol
[5:26] * Scriven is old, lol
[5:26] <clever> i only started using linux in 2004
[5:26] <sam_nazarko> Close. You've won this one
[5:26] <Scriven> so ParkerR, care to try again at beatin wpa_supplicant with a stick?
[5:27] <clever> and i started with redhat 9, which was already old at the time :P
[5:27] <ParkerR> Scriven, lol no
[5:27] <ParkerR> :P
[5:27] <myth> Scriven, I am 15
[5:27] <sam_nazarko> I started with Linux at around 8 so 2002 i think
[5:27] <myth> :(
[5:27] <Scriven> it was all working nice, then I thought I'd take it down to the hackspace to try it on their wireless... added a new network{} block, and everything stopped again.
[5:27] <Scriven> that was all I was supposed to do right?
[5:27] <Scriven> and lol!
[5:27] <ParkerR> Scriven, Yeah should be all that is needed
[5:28] <clever> Scriven: was it throwing errors?, because ive not had that many issues
[5:28] <Scriven> AFAIK I can add another network block in the wpa_supplicant.conf file for each network I wanted to connect to.
[5:28] <ParkerR> Did you remember to not include the tabs?
[5:28] <ParkerR> Or include them whatever it was
[5:28] <Scriven> I had to include the tabs, the previous one was tabbed.
[5:28] <Scriven> I just cut-and-pasted and then changed from my ssid/etc to vhs'
[5:28] <clever> Scriven: wpa or wep?
[5:28] <Scriven> clever, no errors, just said 'wlan0 enabled' and stopped.
[5:28] <sam_nazarko> check with ifconfig?
[5:28] <Scriven> didn't even attempt dhcp
[5:29] <ParkerR> Scriven, try the wpa_passphrase
[5:29] <Scriven> yeah, wlan0 was initialized, but not up.
[5:29] <ParkerR> And use what that spits out
[5:29] <Scriven> ParkerR, passphrase was a simple phone number, so that parts easy
[5:29] <Scriven> I can hard-code it and it works, but now even my home network doesn't work w/ wpa_supplicant. lolol!
[5:29] <sam_nazarko> As much as I hate to say it, this is why Network Manager is better.
[5:29] <clever> Scriven: the passphrase must be hashed by the wpa_passphrase util to create the network block
[5:29] <Scriven> and I SWEAR I didn't touch it, just changed the order.
[5:29] <Scriven> MUST be hashed, clever ?
[5:29] <Scriven> DAMMAKJSDLfaskdjf;alsdkfja;lskdfja;sldkfjas;ldkfjas;ldkfja;klsdfj
[5:29] <clever> Scriven: ive never used it un-hashes
[5:29] <Scriven> ok, bootin the darned pi.
[5:30] <sam_nazarko> wpa-passphrase will work
[5:30] <clever> Scriven: basicaly, wpa operates on the hash of ssid+passphrase
[5:30] <Scriven> myth, don't be :( about bein 15!
[5:30] <Scriven> sam_nazarko, yeah, I've used it before, just didn't think hashing was mandatory.
[5:30] <clever> so a different ssid with the same passphrase, gets a diff key
[5:30] * Scriven fumbles for the pi and clear table space.
[5:30] <clever> Scriven: in theory, you dont even need to boot the pi up
[5:31] <clever> mount the sd card on another linux pc, run wpa_passphrase on that and edit the config file
[5:31] <Scriven> I knkow I could use the sd card in this pc, but hard to test that. ;)
[5:31] <myth> Scriven, .rpm ftw
[5:31] <sam_nazarko> mount the ext4 and make changes via filesystem i guess
[5:31] <sam_nazarko> but effort
[5:31] <clever> and if everything works, the pi should just connect next time it boots
[5:31] <Scriven> _should_
[5:31] <sam_nazarko> boo .rpm
[5:31] <Scriven> myth, that's being 15 and inexperienced talking. :P
[5:31] <Scriven> rpm is FTL.
[5:32] <clever> ive not tried wpa_supplicant on my pi yet, no usb wifi dongles
[5:32] <Scriven> Worst Package Manager Evar /comic-book-guy
[5:32] <clever> ive got a pile of pcmcia ones, but those dont fit the gpio header! :P
[5:32] <Scriven> clever, push harder!
[5:32] <ParkerR> Scriven, rpm isnt the package manager...
[5:32] <sam_nazarko> yum is?
[5:32] <Scriven> rpm == REDHAT PACKAGE MANAGER.
[5:32] <ParkerR> yum is
[5:32] <Scriven> at least it used to be.
[5:32] <sam_nazarko> yum and rpm are like what dpkg is to apt
[5:32] <Scriven> ah, so they've kept their extension but updated the pm
[5:33] <Scriven> that's at least a step for them out of the idiocy of the past.
[5:33] <sam_nazarko> Sort of
[5:33] <Scriven> still no love from me, thanks.
[5:33] <sam_nazarko> yum does the heavy lifting, i.e. wgets files like apt-get does
[5:33] <sam_nazarko> but rpm/dpkg do the installation
[5:33] <clever> Scriven: it also helps to understand how wifi worked before wpa_supplicant
[5:33] <Scriven> rpm is FTL, I stay away like Superman and kryptonite!
[5:33] <clever> Scriven: step 1, is it even associated with an AP (check iwconfig wlan0)
[5:33] <Scriven> clever, i can hardcode the config file and everything works fine.
[5:34] <Scriven> just not via wpa
[5:34] <Scriven> wpa_supplicant even.
[5:34] <clever> if its not associated, then it cant ever send/recv packets
[5:34] <clever> wpa_supplicant -iwlan2 -Dwext -c/root/wlan1/wpa_config -B -W
[5:34] <ParkerR> Currently updating Ubuntu on my Acer Chromebook
[5:35] <clever> Scriven: step 2, manualy run wpa_supplicant in a shell, and in this case, leave out -B and -W
[5:35] <clever> Scriven: wpa_supplicant -iwlan0 -Dwext -c/path/to/config -ddddd
[5:35] <clever> that will give debug logs explaining what its doing
[5:36] <sam_nazarko> wpa_supplicant can be problematic. This is why in Raspbmc we use Network Manager. Means the user can configure from within XBMC
[5:36] <Scriven> yeah, but I'm not running any X on this, it's a portable project w/ a 4.3" screen.
[5:36] <Scriven> and no mouse.
[5:37] <sam_nazarko> Raspbmc does not use/even have X11
[5:37] <sam_nazarko> network-manager can be used from cli
[5:37] <clever> Scriven: does the debug output give any hints?
[5:37] <ParkerR> nmcli
[5:37] <sam_nazarko> yep
[5:37] <Scriven> sam_nazarko, for my raspbmc setup I'm hardwired anyway... I didn't know network manager could be used from cli tho, thanks.
[5:37] <Scriven> still i'm going to try this the old fashioned way 1st.
[5:37] <sam_nazarko> Scriven, and scripted in python too
[5:38] <clever> i just wrote my own custom one in bash :P
[5:38] <clever> wpa_cli -iwlan2 -a /root/wlan1/action -B
[5:38] <sam_nazarko> :)
[5:38] <clever> this and the other cmd i pasted above, thats all it needs to start and connect
[5:38] <clever> only real problem, i'm cheating when i try to make bash eval the output from wpa_cli, and the strings arent quoted
[5:38] <clever> if the current AP has a space in the name, it fails
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[5:39] <Scriven> clever, wlan0 association request to the driver failed
[5:39] <Scriven> hrm.
[5:40] <sam_nazarko> Check /var/log/syslog
[5:40] <Scriven> after wpa_driver_wext_set_ps
[5:40] <Scriven> psk even.
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[5:41] <clever> Scriven: -Dwext might not be the right one for your driver, but thats what worked for mine
[5:41] <clever> and /var/log/syslog may work better, if you let network-manager run wpa, then it uses the 'right' one
[5:41] <clever> but it may not have debug fully enabled
[5:41] <ParkerR> Dwext should be for pretty much any newer wifi card
[5:42] <sam_nazarko> Do you have all the firmware in?
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[5:42] <clever> sam_nazarko: he has said that it works if only 1 network is in the wpa config file
[5:42] <sam_nazarko> hmm
[5:42] <Scriven> it works hard-coded too.
[5:42] <Scriven> had to do that @vhs to get network.
[5:42] <sam_nazarko> Not firmware then
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[5:42] <clever> Scriven: could you pastebin the wpa config file?
[5:42] <Scriven> hence my frustration.
[5:43] <Scriven> yeah, but that'll require me to plug the pi into lan. has anyone had one of these things work w/ lan + wifi simultaneously?
[5:43] <Scriven> cause I don't know if I ever have, but will try.
[5:43] <clever> ive done that on my laptops before, manualy
[5:43] * Scriven has a 256MB original version.
[5:43] <clever> but if the wifi isnt working, it wont get in the way at all
[5:43] <Scriven> laptop yes all the time, but not the pi
[5:43] <ParkerR> From what I have heard the Pi has troubles with it if even at all
[5:43] <Scriven> my laptop is right now in fact.
[5:43] <Scriven> yeah, me too parasciidic
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[5:43] <Scriven> er ParkerR
[5:44] <clever> i also configured my laptop to use the same ip on both interfaces, and switch automaticaly
[5:44] <clever> so if i plug ethernet in, everything gets faster
[5:44] <clever> if i yank the coord, it gets slower, but nothing disconnects
[5:44] <ParkerR> Neat
[5:44] <clever> oddly, the NIC in this latest laptop is useless
[5:44] <Scriven> i've got dhcp setup to give 2 different addresses, one for eth0 mac and one for wlan0 mac
[5:44] <clever> if i remember correctly, RX direction is totaly broken
[5:44] <ParkerR> Wifi has always been almost as if not as fast as my wired
[5:44] <clever> it can send packets, but never receive
[5:46] <Scriven> ok, plugged, am pastebinning.
[5:46] <Scriven> http://pastebin.com/PSpjrbRN
[5:46] <Scriven> I wonder if I take out the vhs entry if it'll work again properly...
[5:47] <ParkerR> Umm
[5:47] <ParkerR> latest network doesnt have an ssid
[5:47] <clever> ParkerR: thats a fallback, to let it connect to unknown networks with no pass at all
[5:47] <Scriven> the only changes I've made to that file is tryin to switch the order @vhs, so phoenix and vhs have switched and then been switched back.
[5:47] <Scriven> what clever said.
[5:47] <Scriven> 'connect to any open network'
[5:48] <ParkerR> Huh
[5:48] <Scriven> as a last resort, since order matters.
[5:48] <ParkerR> I never knew roaming was that simple
[5:48] <clever> Scriven: looks ok to me, id need to look at the iwlist wlan0 scan output to know what else it could be
[5:48] <Scriven> well, it may not be since it's not working, lol
[5:49] <Scriven> clever, comin up.
[5:50] <Scriven> do you want the whole neighbourhood, or just mine cut out of entire list?
[5:50] <clever> just cut out vhs
[5:50] <Scriven> phoenix
[5:50] <Scriven> vhs is downtown. lol
[5:50] <Scriven> vhs == first attempt at roaming (fail)
[5:50] <Scriven> phoenix == home (now failingg too)
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[5:51] <Scriven> http://pastebin.com/v0cMTpnY
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[5:52] <Scriven> have also just hashed the vhs entry for my next attempt down there.
[5:52] <clever> Scriven: hmmm, looks perfectly fine, id need to see more of the wpa_supplicant logs then
[5:53] <Scriven> Is there a way for me to attempt wpa connect w/o service networking restart, so I don't loose my ethernet connection?
[5:53] <Scriven> assuming I can run both together, which I'm not sure.
[5:53] <clever> if i remember correctly, the dhcp client wont replace existing route entries
[5:53] <Scriven> cause there's no cut-and-paste from an unconnected computer.
[5:54] <clever> so it will wind up stuck on ethernet, after the wifi comes up
[5:54] <Scriven> so long as wlan0 gets IP that's ok isn't it, at least for phase 1 test?
[5:54] <clever> yep
[5:54] <Scriven> even if it's not bein used?
[5:54] <Scriven> so that's the wpa_supplicant -blahblah stuff from b4?
[5:54] <clever> yeah
[5:56] <Scriven> ok, -dddd is a LOT of crud, hang on while I c-n-p to pastebin
[5:57] <clever> each d adds more info to it
[5:57] <clever> could strip a few off to start with
[5:57] <Scriven> yeah I know. it's done just will take time to c-n-p
[5:58] <clever> scp and redirection also help a lot
[5:58] <clever> > file.log, scp file.log user@laptop
[5:58] <Scriven> http://pastebin.com/VzvEbu03
[5:58] <Scriven> without -B it hangs though, and I wasn't sure if it was safe to ^c so I've left it runnin.
[5:58] <Scriven> have a large scrollback buffer in my xterm. ;)
[5:58] <Scriven> it all fit (barely)
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[5:59] <clever> -B makes it run in the background, and -W makes it wait for a cli thingy, which you arent starting
[5:59] * Scriven knew a guy in Toronto with the name Seven.
[5:59] <Scriven> yup.
[6:00] <Scriven> dooh, sorry, went back too far in that one. lol!
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[6:00] <Scriven> you got me killingg previous wpa_supplicant too, lolol!
[6:00] <clever> i was wondering, i saw the error about another wpa supplicant
[6:00] <Scriven> starts at line 85
[6:00] <clever> then i saw you getting out the axe :P
[6:01] <Scriven> lol
[6:01] <Scriven> no mercy
[6:01] <clever> on line 191, it found your network
[6:01] <Scriven> kernel driver is 8192cu btw.
[6:01] <ParkerR> So most likely the 8188cus chipset
[6:02] <Scriven> 472 again too.
[6:02] <clever> at line 472, it decided to actualy use that network based on the config
[6:02] <Scriven> yeah, lsusb: Bus 001 Device 004: ID 0bda:8176 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. RTL8188CUS 802.11n WLAN Adapter
[6:02] <ParkerR> Most newer mini wifi dongles that I have seen use the 8188
[6:02] <ParkerR> cus
[6:03] <clever> RTM_NEWLINK: operstate=0 ifi_flags=0x11003 ([UP][LOWER_UP])
[6:03] <ParkerR> No basically it just depends on what brand you want to pay for
[6:03] <Scriven> then 497 it fails
[6:03] <ParkerR> *So
[6:03] <clever> Scriven: at line ~850, it tries a second time, and works
[6:03] <clever> RTM_NEWLINK: operstate=1 ifi_flags=0x11043 ([UP][RUNNING][LOWER_UP])
[6:04] <clever> the wifi and wpa are fully linked, and its effectively the same as an ethernet with the cable plugged in (dhcp away!)
[6:04] <Scriven> hrm... ifconfig in another window didn't give me ip address for it...
[6:04] <clever> because you bypassed the network manager scripts, dhcp isnt automatic anymore
[6:04] <Scriven> OIC!
[6:04] <Scriven> hrm...
[6:04] <clever> dhclient wlan0
[6:05] <Scriven> AHHAHAHAHAH...
[6:05] <Scriven> ok, excellent.
[6:06] <ParkerR> I use just wpa_supplicant and the network service and I et dhcp
[6:06] <Scriven> but I'm still confused as to why vhs didn't work.
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[6:06] <clever> Scriven: repeat the same procedure on vhs, and go over the log for details
[6:06] <Scriven> so if I ^c out of wpa_supplicant and then restart networking service, it should work...
[6:06] <clever> yeah
[6:07] <Scriven> ok, yay! TY!
[6:07] <clever> it should get an ip, but due to the ethernet, it wont setup the routes to use it
[6:07] <Scriven> but why isn't that showingg me the dhcp-communication?
[6:07] <clever> ?
[6:07] <Scriven> unplugged ethernet and did it on the head.
[6:08] <Scriven> it just says 3 error messages about unsupported driver calls, then says 'wlan0 link becomes ready"
[6:08] <Scriven> normally I see the dhcp-request output too, at least I used to... does wpa_supplicant suppress that normally?
[6:08] <clever> wpa_supplicant doesnt know anything about dhcp
[6:08] <ParkerR> It should be working then
[6:09] <clever> the network manager scripts are probly doing dhcp
[6:09] <ParkerR> link becomes ready is when it connects
[6:09] <Scriven> so I wonder where the output from the 'dhcp' part of the connection went...
[6:09] <Scriven> not that I require it to be there, but it's funny that it's just 'gone'.
[6:09] <clever> id check /var/log/
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[6:12] <Scriven> hrm, nothing in the logs about dhcp... I wonder if I reboot if it'll work...
[6:12] <Scriven> should come up automaticlly shouldn't it?
[6:12] <clever> depends on the nm config
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[6:13] <Scriven> ParkerR, I've seen that 'link ready' message without a valid connection actually.
[6:13] <clever> ive never really used it
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[6:13] <Scriven> nmcli may be worth looking into. lolol
[6:13] <ParkerR> clever, Hey
[6:13] <ParkerR> In /etc/network/interfaces
[6:13] <ParkerR> auto wlan0
[6:13] <ParkerR> iface wlan0 inet dhcp
[6:13] <ParkerR> wpa-conf /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf
[6:14] <Scriven> just now, 'link becomes ready' but no dhcp address.
[6:14] <clever> that says it should come online at bootup, with dhcp and that wpa config file
[6:14] <ParkerR> Thats where it does it for me
[6:14] <Scriven> mine's the same as ParkerR's in that respect.
[6:14] <Scriven> no dice on reboot... I wonder if I dhclient now if it'll work..
[6:15] <Scriven> did...
[6:15] <Scriven> so why is dhcp not being called, is that the 'manual' setting in interfaces?
[6:15] <ParkerR> Past you /etc/network/interfaces
[6:15] <ParkerR> *Paste
[6:16] <ParkerR> *your
[6:16] <Scriven> just changed the manual to dhcp and rebooted, hang on. ;)
[6:16] <Scriven> it's still basically the same as yours ParkerR
[6:17] <Scriven> and voila it was!
[6:17] <Scriven> yay!
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[6:17] <Scriven> excellent, thanks clever and ParkerR (again).
[6:17] <ParkerR> Haha
[6:17] <Scriven> so now I get to test it at the local mall/other free wifi zones, and vhs when I can make it down there again.
[6:17] <ParkerR> Why did you have manual there?
[6:18] <Scriven> some of the reading I did said I should, and maybe you had it there too, I can't remember now.
[6:18] <Scriven> it always looked strange, but this stuff is still 'magic' to me.
[6:18] <Scriven> well, was, is less magic now.
[6:19] <Scriven> so, has anyone ever used their rpi as wifi AP via wired?
[6:19] <Scriven> IE, had both working simultaneously?
[6:20] <clever> ive done many variations of that on my laptops
[6:20] <Scriven> yeah, me too on laptop, but rpi is different and strange.
[6:20] <Scriven> it should work w/ the software and config, I'm just not sure it does with the rpi.
[6:20] <clever> once the drivers are working fully, it should function exactly the same way
[6:20] <clever> ive usualy done it manualy
[6:20] <Scriven> as I said b4, I'm actually doing it rigght now on the laptop I'm typing on.
[6:21] <clever> i have configured hostapd on my netbook before, to run as a full AP, with dhcp, bind, and nat to the ethernet card
[6:21] <Scriven> excellent, it DOES work!
[6:21] <clever> ive also played with the idea from http://www.ex-parrot.com/pete/upside-down-ternet.html
[6:22] <clever> any un-authorized mac address is forced to only visit kittenwar.com
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[6:22] <Scriven> eth0 required manual dhclient though, even though it's 'dhcp' in interfaces, probably because of 'allow-hotplug' vs 'auto'
[6:22] <clever> ive also done the reverse before as well
[6:22] <Scriven> LOLOLOLOLOL!
[6:22] <clever> wifi was the input, ethernet was the output
[6:22] <Scriven> That is freaking hilarious.
[6:23] <clever> so it allowed non-wifi devices to use the wifi
[6:23] <Scriven> yupu.
[6:23] <Scriven> so the rpi CAN do it, I was unsure actually.
[6:23] <Scriven> I wonder if my problems were because of crappy power supply...
[6:23] <clever> and my netbook wifi card is capable of many AP modes at once
[6:23] <clever> so, it can BOTH connect to any wifi
[6:23] <clever> AND become a wifi ap!
[6:23] <Scriven> I'm using a >>>>>5A battery right now, and it's workingg perefectly.
[6:23] <Scriven> I'd like to find a wifi card that will allow me to sniff wifi too.
[6:24] <Scriven> same w/ bluetooth. ;)
[6:24] <clever> in theory, i can connect to a wpa network, then advertise 'free wifi!'
[6:24] <clever> then NAT everything from the open wifi to the wpa one
[6:24] <Scriven> very cool.
[6:24] <clever> and do nasty stuff because your passing everything thru me!
[6:24] <clever> anything on upside-down-ternet could be done at that point
[6:25] <clever> and the rpi just makes it much more portable!
[6:25] <Scriven> that xkcd is about the funniest one evar.
[6:25] <Scriven> yeah, password sniffing, any kind of nasty you want.
[6:25] * Scriven has unfortunate experience with admin powar
[6:26] <Scriven> university lessons we don't want to learn.......
[6:26] <clever> same
[6:26] <clever> i wrote mirc scripts with many usefull tools in them
[6:26] <clever> oh, and it had silent, forced, instant, automatic updating
[6:26] <clever> i could add anything i wanted at any time
[6:26] <clever> then remove the code before you looked :P
[6:26] <Scriven> lol
[6:26] <Scriven> man, remind me to never try and steal your wifi, lol!
[6:27] <clever> so it was basicaly a real product, with a trojan embeded in it by the original author
[6:27] <clever> doubling as a bot-net :P
[6:27] <clever> it was just an mirc script, so its imposible to actualy infect anybody
[6:27] <clever> you must manualy install it into mirc
[6:27] <clever> which is where the 'real product' half comes in, everybody wanted it :P
[6:27] <Scriven> lol!
[6:28] <Scriven> that's freaking awesome.
[6:28] <Scriven> very very impressive.
[6:28] <Scriven> "Impressive. Most Impressive" /darth vader
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[6:29] * Scriven loves learning new stuff.
[6:29] <Scriven> and it really is hilarious the power you ggive someone when you connect over their network...
[6:30] <clever> another dumb thing i often see
[6:31] <clever> why is the wpa password, identical to the admin pw for the router?!
[6:31] * clever installs openwrt, *does all of above*
[6:32] <Scriven> they come by default like that actually. lol
[6:33] <clever> all of the ones i received, with factory defaults, dont even have wpa enabled
[6:33] <clever> and the pw is usualy admin/admin
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[6:34] <clever> more recently, i have seen ISP's giving out routers that are pre-configured to be secure
[6:34] <Scriven> I got one here from the local ISP called Shaw (cable company that does internet), their newest SMC monstrosity is like that.
[6:34] <clever> but thats no longer factory defaults
[6:34] <clever> ive got aliant here
[6:34] <clever> and they have done worse :P
[6:34] <Scriven> I turned all the wifi on it off, cause it's crappy. I'll bridge mode it whenever I can find the time to reconfiure my rt-66u properly.
[6:35] <Scriven> right now I'm not sure the wifi on it is workin properly, my machines intermittently d/c from wifi, that's why I've got hardwire on my laptop.
[6:35] <Scriven> but one too many thinggs forcing themselves to the front burners for me to play w/ that.
[6:35] <clever> basicaly, they took a 'router with nat + dsl modem' (1 dsl port, 1 ethernet port)
[6:35] <Scriven> :((
[6:35] <clever> and neutered the firmware, massively
[6:35] <Scriven> yeah, that happens here too.
[6:35] <clever> EVERY single config page in the ui is missing
[6:35] <clever> its imposible to setup port forwarding
[6:36] <Scriven> shaws is 4-port router+wifi+cable-modem, with some pages neutered.
[6:36] <Scriven> but at least they do allow bridge mode.
[6:36] <clever> this has every single page missing
[6:36] <Scriven> yeah, that's just dumb.
[6:36] <clever> it doesnt even have a visible config option to enable bridge mode
[6:36] <Scriven> asking to be hacked.
[6:36] <Scriven> ours doesn't have that page, we have to call and request.
[6:36] <Scriven> "please bridge mode my hardware mr. support sir"
[6:36] <clever> all it has is english and french directions telling you to enter your email addy and pw
[6:37] <clever> but
[6:37] <clever> if you run a pppoe client against it, bridge mode just works
[6:37] <Scriven> lol
[6:37] <Scriven> I wonder if that's by design or if they just forgot soemthing.
[6:38] <clever> i have tried hacking it
[6:38] <clever> i found a firmware update for it
[6:38] <Scriven> need to buy a new usb hub for my portable pi project too. My current one is sub-optimal, and only has 4 ports.
[6:38] <clever> basicaly, it poked a bunch of snmp OID's (not sure why exactly)
[6:38] <Scriven> lol @ random poking.
[6:38] <clever> then it opens ftp (no encryption) and copies over the firmware file
[6:38] <clever> then the router replies with an error
[6:38] <Scriven> no encryption for firmware update?? wow.
[6:39] <Scriven> begging to be hacked!
[6:39] <clever> if i try to ftp the same file over manualy (with the same name/pw), it wont even let me login
[6:39] <clever> the snmp must somehow unlock the ftp upload option
[6:39] <Scriven> that's kinda funky... should try sniffingg it to see what it's poking.
[6:39] <clever> and after the ftp file has transfered, it must verify the signature, and discover its not the aliant fork, and just denies the entire thing
[6:39] <Scriven> I've never gotten into that stuff, at lesat not yet.
[6:39] <clever> thats how i figured out the ftp pass
[6:40] <fr0g911> if(rp->p_flag & SSWAP) { rp->p_flag =& ~SSWAP; aretu(u.u_ssav); }
[6:40] <fr0g911> wont work
[6:40] <Scriven> I flitter around the top of a lot of different hobbies, but don't get too deep into many of them. ;)
[6:40] <clever> Scriven: i suspect i might be able to just flash the chip directly
[6:40] <clever> let me find the spare...
[6:40] <Scriven> don't let out the magic smoke!
[6:41] <Scriven> I need to find a cellphone dongle for this rpi next... then my Raspberry Phone will be functional.
[6:41] <Scriven> muahahahahahaha
[6:41] <Scriven> have 1 for .eu, but none that work w/ voice in .ca :((
[6:41] <Scriven> "world wide support" my hairy bum. :((
[6:41] <Scriven> unless Canada's not part of the world anymore!?
[6:41] <Scriven> ;)
[6:42] <clever> ive got an old 3g data stick here
[6:42] <clever> linux support is a bit weird
[6:42] <\\Mr_C\\> is the camera module available yet?
[6:42] <clever> when you first plug the device in, it claims to be a usb cd drive, with windows drivers on it, set to autoplay
[6:42] <clever> if you try to eject the cd, it disconnects, then claims to be a usb serial port
[6:43] <clever> and you can just dial up #777 like it was a dialup modem
[6:44] <Scriven> yeah, same as mine here.
[6:45] <Scriven> I don't have Data on my sim yet (Canadian cellphone rates are terrible, and I wasn't paying those rates for data), but I want voice/sms for sure.
[6:45] <clever> u727?
[6:45] <clever> novatell
[6:45] <Scriven> I found one that's pretty much guaranteed to work, Huawei E156, but it's imposible to find now.
[6:45] <clever> i dont think this usb stick can do voice/sms at all
[6:45] <Scriven> Have an E156G, but it's the GSM version... and Canada has only 1 GSM provider and they are TERRIBLE.
[6:45] <Scriven> most will do sms actually, but hardly any do voice anymore.
[6:46] <Scriven> it's so frustrating. :(
[6:46] <clever> but once you have data, clickatell.com can sms every country except usa and north korea, for cheaper prices then skype
[6:46] <clever> with a much more flexible API
[6:46] <Scriven> yeah, but again data in Canada is hella-expensive.
[6:46] <Scriven> without a data plan it's pennies per KILOBYTE.
[6:46] <clever> its not very much data to send an sms
[6:46] <clever> its just a single http request per sms msg when doing singles
[6:46] <clever> i'm sure you can keep it under 2kb
[6:46] <Scriven> all the dongles I've seen all do sms direct, just not voice. and given those data rates I'm not doing voip!
[6:47] <clever> the only other option
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[6:47] <Scriven> HSDPA/UMTS 2100/1900/850MHz is the problem i'm having... I need 850 and 1900 for Canada.
[6:47] <clever> Scriven: https://www.sparkfun.com/categories/68 bare cell modules
[6:47] <Scriven> and most have only 2100 umts at best.
[6:47] <Scriven> HSDPA/UMTS 2100/1900/850MHz is the problem i'm having... I need 850 and 1900 for Canada.
[6:47] <Scriven> lol
[6:48] <Scriven> was just pointed to those the other day, and have been watchin sparkfun for AGES waiting for one.
[6:48] <clever> $49 gets you a gsm module, voice, data, sms, sim card
[6:48] <Scriven> no gsm for canada.
[6:48] <Scriven> unless you take the WORST cellphone provider, like I said. :(
[6:48] <Scriven> I'd rather burn my money, it would actually be more productive.
[6:48] <clever> dang, no other modules
[6:48] <Scriven> hsdpa 850/1900 only.
[6:49] <Scriven> I know, I've been looking at least monthly for like a year.
[6:49] <clever> but you can probly find similar on other sites
[6:49] <Scriven> there ARE some, but they're mini-pci-e.
[6:49] <clever> add it 'properly' to the gpio, like it would be on a real phone
[6:49] <clever> ah yeah
[6:49] <clever> all of my dads work laptops have had a sim card slot under the battery
[6:49] <Scriven> and I'm almost out of money because of my mistakes learning this crap over the last year.
[6:49] <clever> with a 3g antenna in the lcd panel, routed to a mini-pci-e slot
[6:49] <Scriven> yup.
[6:49] <clever> and the company has NEVER made use of it
[6:49] <Scriven> there's a usb-pci-e adapter, but I'm not sure if it's any good.
[6:49] <clever> first they tried the usb stick, then cancled the plans :P
[6:50] <clever> then they gave everybody cn-50's (a windows ce phone, the size of a brick)
[6:50] <clever> purely for tethering use
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[6:50] <clever> they recalled all of those within 2 months :P
[6:50] <Scriven> lol!
[6:50] <clever> then they gave everybody androids, wifi tethering
[6:51] <clever> so rather then 2 plans (windows phone + usb) or (windows phone + windows ce!), its just one plan (galaxy S3)
[6:52] <clever> so, where did i leave that silly modem...
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[6:52] <Scriven> hrm, I may have just found one...
[6:53] <Scriven> http://www.semiconductorstore.com/cart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=44198
[6:53] <Scriven> hrm...
[6:53] <Scriven> this is another learning curve I've decided to climb, I know nothin about this cellphone technology.
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[6:53] <Scriven> I appear to be at the bottom of a dozen learning curves this year.
[6:53] <clever> Scriven: hmmm, this modem says 144, is that fast enough? :P
[6:53] <Scriven> lol
[6:53] <evanjfraser> \o/ my work gave me a raspberry pi yesterday :)
[6:54] <clever> actually gives me an idea
[6:54] <clever> Scriven: what happens if you put an old dialup modem into the voice port of a cell module?
[6:54] <Scriven> clever, no idea.
[6:54] <clever> get a data plan at local call rates?
[6:54] <Scriven> These modules, how do they connect, is there some sort of socket for them?
[6:55] <clever> *clicks link*
[6:55] <clever> Scriven: '80 Pin Connector'
[6:56] <Scriven> that seems a bit general, wasn't sure what they meant.
[6:56] <Scriven> from the picture it looks strange.
[6:56] <clever> from the image in the pdf, its a semi-custom connector
[6:56] <clever> so its what i was saying to use
[6:57] <Scriven> yeah, like that sparkfun page I thougght.
[6:57] <clever> the 1st pdf claims its an 80 pin molex connector
[6:57] <clever> analog audio, digital pcm audio, rs-232, 22 gpio pins, usb 2.0 support
[6:58] <Scriven> sounds perfect if I could figure it out. lol
[6:58] <clever> http://www.semiconductorstore.com/pages/asp/DownloadDirect.asp?sid=1365804106618
[6:58] <clever> http://www.semiconductorstore.com/pages/asp/DownloadDirect.asp?sid=1365804109373
[6:58] <clever> the 2nd pdf is only 2 pages, hmmm
[6:58] <clever> useless, exact same info
[6:58] <Scriven> am reading the hardware user guide pdf for that telit one.
[6:59] <clever> oh, lovely
[6:59] <clever> the redirect code on the server screws up if you try to open 2 files at once
[6:59] <Scriven> molex 80-pin board-to-board connector
[6:59] <clever> both wind up opening the same file, at different url's
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[7:00] <Scriven> hey, built in gps w this too, didn't notice that.
[7:01] <Scriven> hrm... I wonder if this one will actually work. My google-fu + my ignorance has been failing me on this, I've basically been flailing around in the deep end with lead on my feet. lol
[7:01] <clever> here it is, page 32
[7:01] <clever> pines 26 and 25 are the rx and tx for the serial port
[7:03] <clever> i think the data pins run at 2.6volts, so the pi's 3.3v would be too much
[7:03] <Scriven> 3.3 to 2.6 wouldn't be too hard though.
[7:03] <Scriven> although I think I'd farm out the electronics to a local wizard I know. ;)
[7:03] <clever> yeah, page 36 shows some 5v -> 2.6v examples
[7:03] <Scriven> at least for the 1st rev.
[7:03] <Scriven> don't want to bugger it up with sloppy soldering.
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[7:04] <clever> page 39 has the analog audio lines
[7:04] <Scriven> yeah, just saw those too...
[7:04] <Scriven> I thin this'll work actually.
[7:04] <Scriven> wonder if there are cheaper or more worldwide versions... so I can visit family in UK and just switch sim card.... ;)
[7:04] <clever> 44 has the digital audio interface, which you could connect to the pi
[7:04] <fr0g911> so i got sick of the wifi cards for the pi and used a wall powerline adapter wifi lol
[7:05] <clever> but the pi has no real analog input
[7:05] <Scriven> did that work fr0g911 ?
[7:05] <fr0g911> yes works soooo good
[7:05] <Scriven> yeah, I'd need a usb audio interface for pi too.
[7:05] <Scriven> that's part of the plan already, either that or bluetooth. ;)
[7:05] <fr0g911> yea it was worth getting
[7:06] <clever> the cell model can take analog audio directly, and you might be able to use the digital input for patching bluetooth into it
[7:06] <clever> module*
[7:06] <fr0g911> as my router is upstairs in a back room very far and the place i needed the catline was far far downstairs
[7:06] <Scriven> yeah. This module only does cdma 850/1900 thoughg I just noticed, so it's the opposite of the ones I already have, will basically only work here and other strange places.
[7:07] <Scriven> I'd like a quad-band cdma+quad-band gsm one, so I can use it literally anywhere. ;)
[7:07] <Scriven> fr0g911, I've always been curious about the ethernet-over-power stuff. Glad to hear it works!
[7:07] <clever> Scriven: let me find an overview
[7:08] <clever> Scriven: http://www.semiconductorstore.com/cart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=44198
[7:08] <Syliss> hmmm, idk what distro to run
[7:08] <clever> Scriven: http://www.semiconductorstore.com/cart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=44198
[7:08] <clever> arg!
[7:08] <clever> Scriven: https://www.sparkfun.com/tutorials/51
[7:08] <Scriven> The reason why I really liked the huawei I found was that it can be used in asterisk too, so I'd throw one into my server rack as a backup home phone number and answering machine.
[7:08] <clever> Scriven: this explains how to take a cell module, and stuff it into a rotary phone
[7:09] <clever> and get a fully working phone out of it
[7:09] <Scriven> that's awesome. Those phones were great!
[7:09] <Scriven> and tough enoughg for self-defense use!
[7:09] <clever> most of what it explains can also be used to stuff one of those modules on a pi
[7:09] <Scriven> Syliss, if you're new, to the pi or linux, start with raspbian I'd say.
[7:09] <Syliss> I'm neither
[7:10] <Scriven> then flip coins. ;)
[7:10] <Syliss> lol
[7:10] <Scriven> arch, gentoo, freebsd...
[7:10] <Scriven> what else has been ported... android maybe?
[7:11] <clever> android is horid-slow, and has trouble with page flipping
[7:11] <clever> if i fix page flipping, the entire screen just goes black
[7:12] <Syliss> i do want to re-try raspbmc, since i guess airplay is running better on the 256 ver
[7:13] <Scriven> clever, it sounds like I should phone semiconductorstore and speak to them, lol
[7:13] <clever> Scriven: the hardest part is connecting that 80 pin socket to a pcb
[7:13] <clever> you likely want to find a devel board for it
[7:13] <Scriven> $400. :(
[7:14] <clever> Scriven: https://www.sparkfun.com/products/10497 for example
[7:14] <clever> converts the tiny socket to clearly labeled and well spaced pins
[7:14] <Scriven> yeah, was drooling over that one earlier.
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[7:14] <clever> but thats gsm only
[7:14] <Scriven> I suppose it would work with aything of that footprint thoughg wouldn't it.
[7:15] <Scriven> may not be labelled properly.
[7:15] <clever> yeah, just be carefull of the extra components
[7:15] <clever> its got a diode, cap, and some unconnected pins
[7:15] <clever> i also see about 4 or 5 pins all connected to the 1.8v rail
[7:16] <clever> one pin cant handle the current, so they bulked up
[7:16] <clever> but if you use a diff module that doesnt expect those pins to be shorted together...
[7:17] <clever> aha, found the spare dsl modem!
[7:17] * clever gets screwdriver
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[7:17] <Scriven> Man those dev-kits are SPENDY!
[7:18] <Scriven> yay!
[7:19] <clever> lets see, theres a 1x5 header, and a 2x7 header
[7:20] <Scriven> I should actually just call telit it appears, since they're one of the only manufacturers I'm getting success with...
[7:22] <Scriven> clever: Is this what I'm looking for? http://www.telit.com/en/products/umts-hsdpa.php?p_ac=show&p=106
[7:22] <Scriven> assuming I can connect it to the pi...
[7:22] <clever> ok, i found 2 pins on the 1x5 header that measure 3.3v
[7:23] <clever> yeah, that might work
[7:23] <clever> now, where can i find a gnd pin...
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[7:24] <clever> maybe pin 5?
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[7:28] <clever> odd, its -3.3v
[7:28] <clever> and i'm pretty sure i dont have it backwards
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[7:31] <Scriven> bummer, the ones I'm looking at only seem to have embedded sim, which isn't good for my application, need sim-card slot.
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[7:31] <Scriven> -3.3v? that seems strange, yes.
[7:33] <clever> H24 does not incorporate an on-board SIM card tray for SIM placement. The SIM must be
[7:33] <clever> located on the user application board,
[7:33] <clever> Scriven: i think by 'embeded' it means, on your own pcb
[7:33] <Syliss> bodhi linux is decent
[7:33] <clever> or not, 'Some of the H24 models incorporate eSIM (embedded SIM). Refer to Embedded SIM.'
[7:33] <clever> Scriven: http://www.telit.com/module/infopool/download.php?id=3058 and ctrl+f for sim
[7:36] <clever> Scriven: i think it can use either one, it simply depends on if they populate that part or not
[7:36] <Scriven> yeah, looks l ike from that pdf.
[7:37] <Scriven> and if it had gps that would eliminate another usb device...
[7:38] <clever> at page 54, it mentions the 217hz tdma buzz
[7:38] <clever> reminds me of an eevblog video, if he held an active phone up to his multimeter, it rebooted
[7:38] <clever> and at one point, he managed to brick it!
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[7:40] <Scriven> http://www.molex.com/molex/products/datasheet.jsp?part=active/0529910708_PCB_RECEPTACLES.xml
[7:40] <Scriven> that's the connector I need for it.
[7:41] <clever> and you will def need solder mask to be able to solder 0.5mm pitch pins
[7:41] <clever> but ive heard it can be done by hand if your solder mask works
[7:41] <Scriven> yeah, not exactly sure how I'll be doing that really. lol
[7:41] <clever> eevblog!
[7:42] <clever> Scriven: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9FC9fAlfQE
[7:42] <Scriven> hrm.. i think that website will make my ears bleed. lol
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[7:43] <clever> my dad says the same thing, but ive found his podcasts help put me to sleep :P
[7:44] <Scriven> STevie Wonder could solder it. lololol!
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[7:51] <Scriven> holy crap, how strong is that iron!!
[7:51] <clever> ?
[7:51] <Scriven> and his hand is so shakey at this magnification, lol!
[7:51] <Scriven> just watching that video, hand soldering smc resistors..
[7:51] <clever> part of that is trying to hold it at a odd angle under a camera
[7:51] <clever> the camera gets in the way and makes things worse
[7:54] <Scriven> wow, 1mm is tiny, this 0.5 mm is going to make my eyes bleed. lol!
[7:54] <Scriven> the solder mask keeps the solder inside the pad, I see.
[7:54] <Triffid_Hunter> hm? I've soldered 0.5mm pitch ICs by hand without magnification
[7:55] <Scriven> "unless you're really bad at solderingg" lolol!
[7:55] <Scriven> Triffid_Hunter, smallest thing I've soldered is much much larger.
[7:55] <Scriven> through-hole stuff.
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[7:58] <Scriven> soldering 0.65mm through the camera. wow.
[7:58] <Scriven> consider me impressed.
[7:58] <Triffid_Hunter> Scriven: SMD is so much easier, don't need to flip the board anymore :)
[7:59] <Scriven> I was watching some pick-and-place + reflow oven stuff too, that would be even nicer but I don't think it'll work with my plastic molex receiver.
[7:59] <Scriven> that flux pen is FTW FTW FTW!
[8:00] * ShiftPlusOne scrolls up to see what has been going on in the Scriven and clever channel O_o
[8:00] <Scriven> lol ShiftPlusOne
[8:01] <Scriven> clever helped me with wpa_supplicant, and then we found a possible cellphone module for my raspberri pi phone.
[8:01] <Scriven> and now I'm watching a british dude with an unfortuunately pitched voice hand-solder smd stuff.
[8:01] <clever> ausy
[8:01] <ShiftPlusOne> are you talking about dave jones?
[8:01] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, not british
[8:01] <ShiftPlusOne> But awesome, 'cause I won a multimeter in a contest he was having. =D
[8:03] <clever> what are you going to do with all those wireless thingys!, lol
[8:03] <ShiftPlusOne> There is just one wireless thingy in the basic kit. But I am just using it as a regular multimeter. Although it's mostly an electrical meter, it's still 100 times better than what I was using before
[8:04] <clever> ah
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[8:04] <clever> was wondering if it included every single wireless widget it had
[8:04] <clever> the ones he was completely covered in, he even had a current clamp clamped to his ear
[8:05] <ShiftPlusOne> Heh, yeah that's what I was expecting, but nope. The whole kit with all of those accessories is just under $1000 on element14 IIRC
[8:05] <clever> ouch
[8:05] <clever> and most of those things, i wouldnt have a use for
[8:05] <ShiftPlusOne> The basic kit is still more than I could afford.
[8:06] <Scriven> That soldering video just reminds me more why I like crimpers. lol
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[8:10] <Scriven> Thanks for the help clever! Wife just got home, so I'd better at least go say hi. ;)
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[8:27] <NetBat> Greetings Pi pickers.
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[9:45] <gadgetoid> Morning all!
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[9:47] <shiftplusone> Ahoy
[9:48] <gadgetoid> Reading the datasheet for the MCP3424, needs a WiringPi module created for it
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[9:52] <shiftplusone> Anyone happen to know which irc client for android isn't terrible?
[9:53] <gadgetoid> Can you get a Colloquy port on Android?
[9:53] <[Saint]> shiftplusone: I use quasseldroid
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[9:54] <shiftplusone> gadgetoid, ew
[9:54] <shiftplusone> [Saint], thanks
[9:54] <gadgetoid> shiftplusone: Haha, I love it on the iPad
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[9:55] <[Saint]> If for some reason I can't get to my core, I'll use AndChat
[9:56] <shiftplusone> Does all of the data go through quassel's server? O_o
[9:57] <[Saint]> ...huh?
[9:57] <[Saint]> Everything comes from your core.
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[9:57] <shiftplusone> Ah ok, so you have to host it somewhere then?
[9:58] <shiftplusone> I have just installed znc, but it looks like this has a lot of the functionality I was after. Just not sure how it works yet.
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[9:59] <[Saint]> basically, you install/setup quassel-core on <machine>, and then connect to it via an unlimited amount of quassel-client(s).
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[9:59] <shiftplusone> So it is essentially a bouncer?
[10:00] <shiftplusone> the core anyway
[10:00] <[Saint]> ...basically, yes.
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[10:01] <[Saint]> http://www.quassel-irc.org/
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[10:01] <shiftplusone> I wouldn't be asking stupid questions if I didn't already visit their site
[10:02] <Dyskette> It effectively acheives the same thing as screen + irssi
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[10:03] <shiftplusone> Do you have to use a special client or can you use hexchat or whatever else to connect to the core?
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[10:03] <Dyskette> You use a (the?) quassel client.
[10:03] <[Saint]> there's two ways it can work. a core/client setup, or a monolithic client. the monolithic client is the type or client everyone is used to, fire up the app and it "just works", close it, and everything disconnects. A client/core setup is slightly different. The core starts when the machine does and is allways connected, and an unlimited amount of clients can connect to an unlimited amount of identities thereon.
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[10:04] <[Saint]> Errr - no, you need to use quassel I believe, there may be ways to use other clients somehow, though.
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[10:04] <shiftplusone> Alright, thanks again.
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[10:06] <vincent_c> FWIW, I use bip as an irc bouncer
[10:07] <shiftplusone> It took me a little bit longer than I would like to admit to get znc working, so I think I'll stay with that for a while. >.>
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[10:15] <[Saint]> I like being able to take care of all my aliases and higlights etc in one place.
[10:15] <[Saint]> and then have them all "just work" everywhere I connect from - no twidling around with different client settings.
[10:19] <SpeedEvil> there is quasseldroid too, for android people
[10:19] <[Saint]> noted above
[10:19] <SpeedEvil> client only
[10:20] <SpeedEvil> should read more scroll.
[10:20] <SpeedEvil> also, #quasseldroid
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[10:43] <dv_> quasseldroid is very cool
[10:44] <gadgetoid> @gordonDrogon: am I missing an obvious method to read 4-byte values from i2c in WiringPi?
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[11:01] <gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Strikes me that there's no equivalent for Arduino's wire.requestFrom(addr,num_bytes)
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[11:03] <[Saint]> Then add one, dear Liza.
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[11:51] <discopig> hi
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[12:51] <kirior> hi all i have a few questions
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[12:53] <kirior> i have used disc32 thing to flash my SD all ent good but when the initial setup of my pi came on screen it could not save changes, now
[12:53] <kirior> i am thinking of re-partitioning my SD to give it aboput 500MB swap partition but how i should parition rest? fat32 ext?
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[12:54] <kirior> any why, after successful flash it would fail to save the config?
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[12:56] <shiftplusone> You didn't accidentally flip the 'lock' switch by any chance did you?
[12:57] <shiftplusone> If not, you'll want to look at system logs to figure out why you can't write to the disk
[12:57] <shiftplusone> (if that's what's happening)
[12:57] <gordonDrogon> gadgetoid, just read 4 bytes one after the other.
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[12:58] <kirior> ok shiftplusone, what about partitions?
[12:58] <shiftplusone> after you repartition, how do you intend to install the OS?
[12:58] <kirior> yes, repartition and fresh install
[12:59] <gordonDrogon> gadgetoid, or you can simply call read() with the file descriptor.
[12:59] <kirior> format if needed
[12:59] <shiftplusone> 'how'
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[12:59] <shiftplusone> How will you install a fresh os after repartitioning
[13:00] <shiftplusone> (I am going somewhere with this, don't worry)
[13:00] <kirior> shiftplusone: by using gparted to repartition and by using the disk32 software that was in the guide on the Pi website
[13:00] <shiftplusone> kirior, yeah, that's not going to work
[13:00] <shiftplusone> when you use the diskimager, it will rewrite your partitions
[13:00] <kirior> but before format (if the parition is fat32 if not format or wipe using gparted, re-partition and install
[13:01] <shiftplusone> the partition table
[13:01] <kirior> ok
[13:01] <kirior> so where am i going wrong with this
[13:01] <kirior> by the sound of things i am doing something massively wrong
[13:02] <shiftplusone> If you create the partitions, then write a disk image, you will rewrite the partition table. The disk image is the WHOLE disk, including the partition table. Makes sense?
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[13:02] <shiftplusone> Instead, write the image first. Then use gparted to resize or add partitions as you see fit.
[13:03] <kirior> ok, what if i have this image that didnt work? shall i format and re-flash then gparted?
[13:04] <shiftplusone> You don't need to format first. Again, flashing will rewrite the whole disk anyway, so formatting is pointless. However, it's hard to give you any answers because we don't know what actually went wrong.
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[13:06] <kirior> yes that is correct, however i will re-flash, parition try again and then come back to you with more info :), last question how do i start graphic interface? startx?or start x?
[13:06] <shiftplusone> startx
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[14:05] <Helldesk> is there a python library capable of eating a string and deducing if it's a date in whatever locale it might be, and returning it in a sensible format?
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[14:23] <daswort> i get the following error: locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory
[14:23] <daswort> how can i fix it?
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[14:23] <Triffid_Hunter> daswort: with perl? export LC_ALL=C
[14:24] <Triffid_Hunter> daswort: that'll fix it in one terminal.. for system-wide, put LC_ALL=C in /etc/env.d somewhere
[14:24] <Triffid_Hunter> then env-update.. I think that's how to do it anyway
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[14:26] <daswort> well there is not /etc/env.d
[14:27] <ring0> have you tried using raspi-config?
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[14:30] <daswort> yes it throws with error and leaves (n)curses: http://dpaste.de/7Whtt/
[14:30] <truesebi> Hey Guys, hope you don't mind if I ask a small question... I am currently trying to work out some audio output with ALSA, and so far everything works with my HAMA external sound card. The only thing that's a problem is that it is _way_ too loud, meaning even 2% almost blow your ears off. Anyone got experiences with that?
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[14:35] <enCyde> best thing ever made
[14:35] <enCyde> lol
[14:35] <enCyde> I have a question if someone could help me out. Anyone know how I can install something like identd?, I don't like to have a broke IRC ident.
[14:36] <enCyde> and, is there anyone from sweden in here?
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[14:41] <ring0> daswort, have you tried setting the corresponding LC_ manually?
[14:44] <daswort> no
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[14:48] <truesebi> Does anyone around here know how to correctly configure a HAMA external sound card?
[14:48] <truesebi> Mine is way too loud.
[14:48] <truesebi> alsamixer leaves it way too loud even on 1%
[14:49] <Triffid_Hunter> truesebi: sounds like the volume control on that is linear instead of logarithmic
[14:50] <truesebi> sounds logical. is there anything I can do to tell my driver / whatever is responsible to use the other scale?
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[14:51] <truesebi> @Triffid_Hunter whoops, forgot mention
[14:51] <Triffid_Hunter> truesebi: unlikely
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[14:52] <truesebi> Triffid_Hunter: I've searched for vaious ways to just get smaller steps of volume control, but didn't find anything that worked as wanted.
[14:53] <truesebi> Triffid_Hunter: can't I like make the whole thing not as loud? Like, hard-limited or something? Or is that a problem that is not solvable the way I imagine? (Please excuse, I'm not really good with sound drivers :-) )
[14:53] <Triffid_Hunter> truesebi: there's only so much that can be done in software.. if that's not enough then you need to tackle the hardware
[14:54] <Triffid_Hunter> many modern sets of headphones have a volume control in the cord
[14:55] <truesebi> Triffid_Hunter: Mine does as well, but it is supposed to "tell the computer" to make itself louder or more quiet, thus I can't work with that. Like, these fancy apple headphones for example.
[14:55] <truesebi> Triffid_Hunter: I've read something about max_dB settings, but couldn't figure out whether that is what I want. Thus, that really doesn't help me out as well.
[14:56] <ring0> daswort, try Triffid_Hunter's solution and exchange /etc/env.d with /etc/environment
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[14:58] <daswort> ring0~ environment is empty, how should it look, on my notebook there is only PATH in it. Shell i just add LC_ALL=?
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[15:00] <daswort> why permission denied?
[15:00] <daswort> sudo echo locale.out >> /etc/environment
[15:00] <daswort> -bash: /etc/environment: Permission denied
[15:01] <ring0> daswort, just add lines for values you want to change. LC_ALL is usually not set
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[15:02] <Triffid_Hunter> daswort: because it's interpreted as (sudo echo locale.out) >> /etc/environment, not sudo (echo locale.out >> /etc/environment) as you might expect
[15:06] <daswort> is that okay: http://dpaste.de/OFwiu/ ?
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[15:12] <ring0> daswort, line 3 is incorrect
[15:13] <daswort> whats wrong? ring0
[15:13] <ring0> either de_DE:de or en_GB:en
[15:13] <ring0> de_DE:en does not exist
[15:13] <daswort> thats line 2
[15:14] <Matt> line 3 of your paste tho
[15:14] <ring0> wrong
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[15:14] <ring0> line 3 of your paste. learn to read
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[15:14] <daswort> oh sorry (paste vs file) :(
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[15:15] <ReggieUK> ring0, be nice or don't bother helping :)
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[15:15] <ring0> ;)
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[15:16] <enCyde> hi PI users! anyone know how to get a working IRC ident on the PI?, like installing oidentd or something ?
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[15:17] <Triffid_Hunter> enCyde: identd is very rarely used/needed these days. too many folks behind NAT firewalls
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[15:17] <Triffid_Hunter> enCyde: irssi works fine fwiw
[15:17] <enCyde> true
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[15:17] <ring0> daswort, is it working?
[15:17] <enCyde> it's not a problem, it's just a lill annoying to have a broken ident. hehe
[15:17] <Matt> yeah, most irc servers will still query ident, but don't enforce its use
[15:19] <enCyde> ok thanks
[15:19] <Matt> but yeah, there should be all manner of ident servers you can use
[15:20] <enCyde> yea, I will do some searching
[15:21] <Matt> the one place I do keep a working identd is on my colo system
[15:21] <Matt> cause there's a whole bunch of folk use it for IRC
[15:22] <Matt> so it means ops can ban a specific user by ident
[15:22] <enCyde> ok
[15:22] <Matt> because the users can't fake it
[15:22] <daswort> yes, no error atm. Thanks
[15:22] <daswort> And also a big thank you to Triffid_Hunter :)
[15:22] <daswort> yes, no error atm. Thanks ring0
[15:25] <coffe> just got home my 4:th rpi =)
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[15:33] <truesebi> Triffid_Hunter: Just to put this to an end... I've searched my whole cellar and found a pair of headphones with manual volume control and a defective sound-card (with 3.5mm plugs). So I'm going to build an 'volume-adjustable cable' to get rid of this problem. McGyver has solved the case.
[15:34] <ring0> daswort, you're welcome. have you checked with locale?
[15:35] <daswort> yep works as expected
[15:36] <ring0> :)
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[15:38] <daswort> oh wait apt-gets output is still english
[15:39] <ring0> you might want to adjust LC_MESSAGES then
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[15:50] <daswort> not again: locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory
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[15:52] <ring0> have you checked locale-gen
[15:52] <daswort> like this: sudo locale-gen de_DE.UTF-8
[15:52] <daswort> Generating locales (this might take a while)...
[15:52] <daswort> en_GB.UTF-8...
[15:52] <daswort> ?
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[15:53] <ring0> just locale-gen
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[15:54] <daswort> hmmpf just en_GB
[15:54] <ring0> if your locale doesn't show up, you need to select it with 'dpkg-reconfigure locales'
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[15:57] <daswort> oh i see, didnt select it properly. sorry i bothered you with this problem.
[16:01] <kirior> hi all, how do i get xbmc on my pi with adons?
[16:02] <shiftplusone> You're not going to like the answer.
[16:03] <kirior> why
[16:03] <shiftplusone> Instead of installing raspbian, install raspbmc or openelec. Though you can dualboot with berryboot
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[16:05] <kirior> next time shiftplusone , to shutdown i use halt?
[16:05] <shiftplusone> yeah, that should work.
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[16:08] <ring0> daswort, no problem. that's the purpose of help channels ;)
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[16:09] <ring0> daswort, even if this generally sounds more like a #raspbian question
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[16:10] <x5ives> My download keeps freezing in Midori. I'm running Raspbian wheezy with QEMU. (I.e not a real Raspberry Pi)
[16:11] <daswort> ring0~ who did raspi-config rasp-pi oder raspbian?
[16:11] <x5ives> It is connecting to the internet though as I can get to the download page and the download sometimes progresses a bit,
[16:12] <shiftplusone> Probably a qemu issue. Definitely not a pi issue.
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[16:14] <ring0> daswort, alex bradbury did the coding
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[16:18] <cfarivar> anyone have a free moment to help a newbie setup my pi ??? i have a wifi question
[16:19] <shiftplusone> cfarivar, just ask
[16:20] <ExeciN> cfarivar: you'll never know until you ask (oh the irony)
[16:20] <cfarivar> i'm typing ! :)
[16:20] <shiftplusone> Type faster! Schnell!
[16:20] <ring0> lol
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[16:22] * shiftplusone is looking forward to reading the essay. =P
[16:23] <cfarivar> Hey guys,
[16:23] <cfarivar> So I just got my Model A! (Pretty sure I have one of the few ones in the US at the moment.) I got the EdiMax WiFi to go with it.
[16:23] <cfarivar> At home, I don't have a kb/mouse/monitor to use???so I sucessfully installed Raspbian to an SD card on my Mac.
[16:23] <cfarivar> I then took the Pi to my local friendly hackerspace (sudoroom.org, in Oakland, CA) where fortunately they had a kb/mouse/monitor already set up. I got it to boot, setup, everything was great. I installed ssh and VNC and tested it there from my Mac laptop.
[16:23] <cfarivar> I then took the Pi home, and discovered that there doesn't seem to be a way to get it onto my WiFi network. I recalled that when I'd booted the Pi for the first time, I used whatever WiFi tool it comes with to force it to scan, and then it got online. I'm wondering if there's a way I can edit a config file (from my Mac, locally) and then force it to get online???or do I have to go back down to the hackerspace and set it up there
[16:23] <cfarivar> (It's only a 10 min bike ride away, but still!)
[16:23] <cfarivar> Thx!
[16:23] <cfarivar> http://arstechnica.com/author/cyrus-farivar/
[16:23] <cfarivar> e.g., do i have to config in some way to use multiple wifi networks?
[16:24] <shiftplusone> Are you familiar with wpa_supplicant?
[16:24] <cfarivar> vaguely
[16:24] <cfarivar> (i was up a few hours trying to figure this out on my own, gave up and went to bed.)
[16:24] <shiftplusone> Well, that would be one way. I am not sure what distro-specific options there are.
[16:25] <cfarivar> hrm.
[16:26] <shiftplusone> Do you have any access to the pi right now? Through serial or ethernet maybe?
[16:26] <cfarivar> well i was trying to see if there was a way i could tether it to usb on my mac
[16:26] <cfarivar> and share my mac's internet that way
[16:26] <cfarivar> the pi is with me, right here, at home
[16:26] <cfarivar> i tried this in wpa_supplicant:
[16:27] <cfarivar> ctrl_interface=DIR=/var/run/wpa_supplicant GROUP=netdev
[16:27] <cfarivar> update_config=1
[16:27] <cfarivar> network={
[16:27] <cfarivar> ssid="FarivarWiFi"
[16:27] <cfarivar> proto=RSN
[16:27] <cfarivar> key_mgmt=WPA-PSK
[16:27] <cfarivar> pairwise=CCMP TKIP
[16:27] <cfarivar> group=CCMP TKIP
[16:27] <cfarivar> psk="PASSWORD"
[16:27] <cfarivar> }
[16:27] <shiftplusone> Not through usb afaik, but if you have an ethernet cable you should be able to.
[16:27] <cfarivar> obviously i had a proper password in there
[16:27] <cfarivar> model a = no ethernet
[16:27] <shiftplusone> ah derp
[16:28] <shiftplusone> Now you need a way to start wpa_supplicant with the right options automatically on boot.
[16:28] <cfarivar> precisely
[16:28] <shiftplusone> or configure whatever distro is on the card to do it
[16:28] <shiftplusone> raspbian?
[16:28] <cfarivar> yeah
[16:29] <shiftplusone> Yeah, I don't know how to configure wifi in debian without NetworkManager.
[16:29] <cfarivar> grrr.
[16:29] <shiftplusone> Poke google, ask in #raspbian or wait for someone to reply
[16:29] <cfarivar> i've found these refs
[16:29] <cfarivar> http://rpi.tnet.com/project/faqs/headlessportablewifi
[16:29] <cfarivar> http://pingbin.com/2012/12/setup-wifi-raspberry-pi/
[16:29] <cfarivar> which require updating "interface configuration" ?
[16:30] <cfarivar> which i don't think i can do directly on the card, without actually booting it
[16:30] <shiftplusone> You can't just modify /etc/network/interfaces and boot up the pi?
[16:31] <cfarivar> how would i modify it?
[16:31] <shiftplusone> Are you running linux?
[16:31] <shiftplusone> on your mac
[16:31] <cfarivar> no
[16:31] <cfarivar> os x
[16:31] <shiftplusone> then idn
[16:31] <cfarivar> ?
[16:32] <shiftplusone> Don't know. If you could boot into linux it would be pretty trivial.
[16:32] <shiftplusone> I don't know if you can access ext partitions from osx
[16:32] <cfarivar> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=40164
[16:33] <cfarivar> so seems like i have to access the interfaces file
[16:33] <cfarivar> which i can't do without the monitor, etc, it seems, hrm?
[16:34] <shiftplusone> You can simply modify the file directly from the sdcard on your mac if you can access the partition. If you have a usb->3.3v serial adapter, that would be the other option.
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[16:34] <cfarivar> i can plug the card directly into the mac, yes
[16:34] <cfarivar> the SD
[16:34] <shiftplusone> Yes, but I don't think you can access it properly from osx. Correct me if I am wrong.
[16:35] <cfarivar> here's what i see when i plug in the SD:
[16:35] <cfarivar> bootcode.bin / cmdline.txt / config.txt / 3 dat files / issue.txt / kernel_emergency.img / kernel.img / start_cd.elf / start_x.elf / start.elf / wpa_supplicant.conf
[16:35] <cfarivar> i added the last one
[16:35] <cfarivar> it wasn't there to begin with
[16:35] <shiftplusone> Oh, that's not what you want at all >_<
[16:36] <cfarivar> ?
[16:36] <ExeciN> I am trying to follow this guide on OSX 10.8 but the driver installer seems to not work like it should http://learn.adafruit.com/adafruits-raspberry-pi-lesson-5-using-a-console-cable/overview
[16:36] <shiftplusone> That's just one of the partitions. There is another one, which is ext4, which you can't see. That's where the OS and all of the other important stuff lives.
[16:36] <cfarivar> when i was at the hackerspace (with kb, etc) there was a wifi tool
[16:36] <cfarivar> and it had a button that said "scan"
[16:36] <cfarivar> which seemed to activate the wifi device on the pi
[16:36] <cfarivar> then it worked great
[16:37] <shiftplusone> Yeah, you might have to give the hackerspace another visit then.
[16:37] <ExeciN> ls /dev/ | grep cu.PL* gives me no results
[16:37] <cfarivar> here wait
[16:37] <cfarivar> http://osxdaily.com/2011/09/23/view-mount-hidden-partitions-in-mac-os-x/
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[16:38] <shiftplusone> That's not what I meant by hidden.
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[16:38] <x5ives> You guys really think a download freeze has something to do with QEMU?
[16:38] <shiftplusone> http://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/29842/how-can-i-mount-an-ext4-file-system-on-os-x
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[16:39] <cfarivar> shiftplusone: yeah doesn't let me mount that hidden portion
[16:39] <cfarivar> err
[16:39] <cfarivar> partition
[16:39] <cfarivar> ok
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[16:39] <cfarivar> so if i do go back down to the hackerspace
[16:40] <cfarivar> seems like what i want to do is edit this interface configuration
[16:40] <cfarivar> right?
[16:40] <cfarivar> then that should (hopefully) force the wifi to activate on boot?
[16:40] <shiftplusone> get someone there to help you if you can
[16:40] <shiftplusone> but yes, if you do it right
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[16:41] <cfarivar> aight, thx
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[16:45] <ExeciN> cfarivar: you can use a USB hub (temporarily just to set things up)
[16:46] <cfarivar> don't have one at home, i don't think
[16:46] <cfarivar> nor do i have a usb kb, mouse, etc at home either
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[16:47] <cfarivar> execiN ^^
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[16:51] <cfarivar> cool thx,
[16:51] <cfarivar> i'll check in later
[16:51] <cfarivar> thx shiftplusone
[16:52] <cfarivar> cyrus.farivar@arstechnica.com is me
[16:52] <shiftplusone> good luck
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[17:54] <wpie3> Hi, is D-LINK DWA-127 supported on RPI? i've googled but came to topic on rpi forum about dwa-131 (which gives me absolutely no idea about 127)
[17:55] <Anthony> does is share the same chipset?
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[17:56] <shiftplusone> The branding doesn't matter too much. Find out what chipset it uses.
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[17:58] <wpie3> Ralink RT3070 :S
[17:58] <shiftplusone> Seems to be supported
[17:59] <shiftplusone> Not 100% sure though
[17:59] <shiftplusone> You can take a closer look https://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=site%3Araspberrypi.org%20raspberry%20pi%20RT3070
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[18:00] <wpie3> dont want to spend my money on stick that doesn't work on RPI & just because it has antenna :P
[18:00] <Anthony> keep the receipt.
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[18:01] <wpie3> seems that 5 euro expensiver EW-7711USN frin edimax knows how to work from the box...
[18:01] <wpie3> from*
[18:01] <wpie3> might get that, for 22euro...
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[18:03] <Anthony> i'm running that edmiax right now
[18:04] <wpie3> Anthony: plug-and-play? i got my money on it (Y)
[18:04] <wpie3> (yes*)
[18:04] <dv_> the edimax is awesome
[18:05] <Anthony> works fine.
[18:05] <Anthony> so it works = yes. :)
[18:05] <dv_> tiny, supported by the mainline kernel, no problems at all..
[18:05] <dv_> doesnt even need firmware
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[18:06] <wpie3> Great. (seems that 23e is web price, but who gives a fck for paying like 25 in store when you're 100% sure that it will work, + it has antenna you can swap :P)
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[18:07] <wpie3> RP-SMA connector, Anthony?
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[18:07] <wpie3> http://wireless.gumph.org/content/3/7/011-rp-sma-male.jpg
[18:07] <wpie3> http://wireless.gumph.org/content/3/7/011-rp-sma-female.jpg
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[18:09] <dv_> oh wait
[18:09] <dv_> I meant the EW-7811Un
[18:10] <wpie3> dv_: if antz has the one i mean, no problem :P
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[18:11] <Anthony> lol
[18:11] <Anthony> i'm in the same boat as dv_
[18:11] <Anthony> wpie3, i'm sorry. i meant the other popular edimax.
[18:11] <Anthony> but i'm looking up the interface for the one you listed.
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[18:12] <wpie3> crap :D
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[18:12] <Anthony> depending on the shipset again, it should be fine.
[18:13] <wpie3> why does the rest of the world get USB wifi with external antennas where we do like 3 shitboxes and even those for 25e on
[18:13] <wpie3> and fck ebay lol
[18:13] <shiftplusone> wpie3, mind the language there. Check the topic
[18:13] <wpie3> sorry
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[18:14] <wpie3> what bout TP-Link TL-WN722N? tplink never dissapointed me... O.o atheros chipset, seems so
[18:15] <dv_> there is no external antenna on the EW-7811Un
[18:15] <dv_> it is simply too tiny for that :)
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[18:15] <nid0> fwiw any cheap nano 150mbit adaptor like the EW-7811Un will all use an rtl8188 chipset which work out of the box with raspbian
[18:15] <wpie3> too bad, i want external antenna :p
[18:15] <wpie3> PI is like 20m from router + many walls :D
[18:16] <wpie3> or i could keep network conn via cat5 and make router :)
[18:16] <wpie3> extended network ftw.
[18:16] <wpie3> talking of too tiny with antenna? D-LINK DWA 127 ;)
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[18:17] <wpie3> thanks, see you later.
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[18:43] <lord4163> Hello
[18:44] <lord4163> What's the max temp of the CPU?
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[18:46] <kaste> http://www.raspberrypi.org/faqs
[18:47] <kaste> says about 70 degrees for the lan chip, 85 for the cpu
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[20:10] <Undertasker> Where do I get drivers for a Technotrend TT-connect S-2400 DVB-S receiver (USB)?
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[20:11] <Undertasker> On my PC, I just compiled V4L to get it working, but V4L doesn't compile on Raspi, because I don't have a Kernel config
[20:11] <Undertasker> Alt leadt I think that this is the problem
[20:11] <Undertasker> least
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[20:33] <wooy> hi, what is recommended microSDHC card with high iops?
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[20:33] <Twist-> hah
[20:34] <Twist-> Would you also like the highest efficiency solar cell available for use in dark areas?
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[20:35] <wooy> I am not asking for microSD card with SSD iops, thats what you suggest.
[20:38] <pksato> wooy: a class 10 SDHC
[20:39] <Twist-> wooy: I'd actually suggest looking to the USB port if you want any sort of i/o performance at alll
[20:39] <Twist-> -l
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[20:43] <ShadowJK> A-data ultra high speed class10 + uhs-i, Samsung MicroSDHC Pro, Sandisk Extreme Pro MicroSDHC
[20:44] <ShadowJK> Those are the only ones I've sound far that have more than 4 IOPS :)
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[20:54] <Twist-> ShadowJK: and what do they bring you up to? 6? :D
[20:55] <ShadowJK> Twist-; 200, for a short period of time :)
[20:55] <ShadowJK> As far as people can tell, they have a log-structured SLC cache into which it puts random-looking writes
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[20:57] <ShadowJK> The fundamental issue with these things is that the physical erase block size is approaching 12megabytes now, so the worst case scenario is a 512 byte write triggering a 12 megabyte read-modify-write operation internally in the card
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[20:59] <ShadowJK> These cards must be doing something like writing sequentially into a faster cache area data in a log form like "This is logical sector X, here is the data for that: <4k of data>"
[20:59] <ShadowJK> The fanciest SSDs like Intel's 3700 basically ONLY do this, and keeps track of where everything ends up
[21:00] <ShadowJK> But a tiny little microsdhc doesn't have enough processing power to do that
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[21:00] <ShadowJK> So once that cache is full it has to evict stuff from it, and then we're back to the issue with having very large physical sectors slowing things down :)
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[21:11] <gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: ping!
[21:12] <SpeedEvil> it.d be so nice if they just supported a 'get out of my way' mode
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[21:16] <kirior> sup all
[21:16] <chupacabra> you
[21:17] <kirior> i have some questions about setup i wish to have but not sure if or how possible
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[21:18] <daswort> does the pi consume power after shutdown -P ?
[21:20] <SpeedEvil> yes
[21:20] <SpeedEvil> it cant power off
[21:21] <daswort> thanks
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[21:35] <coffe> Hello . working with my pi.. and installed the Soft-float Debian ???wheezy???, seems its only using 256Mb mem .. how to change ?
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[21:42] <gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: trying to add a combined read function into WiringPi-I2C
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[21:48] <coffe> no one ?
[21:50] <sam_nazarko> coffe, RAM is shared between the GPU and CPU. Verify in config.txt you are not allocating 256M to the gpu. If this is not the case you need to update your firmare via rpi-update. I recommend you migrate to the more supported and more optimised Raspbian, unless there is a specific package that does not work on Wheezy/hardfp
[21:51] <coffe> sam_nazarko, i just need soft-float
[21:51] <coffe> sam_nazarko, tnx
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[21:52] <coffe> sam_nazarko, seems rpi-update is not in path ?
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[21:58] <sam_nazarko> Hang on
[21:58] <sam_nazarko> You can install like this
[21:58] <sam_nazarko> sudo wget https://raw.github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-update/master/rpi-update -O /usr/bin/rpi-update
[21:58] <sam_nazarko> sudo chmod +x /usr/bin/rpi-update
[21:59] <sam_nazarko> but I would cat /boot/config.txt first. You probably need to change the memory split there is all
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[22:03] <coffe> sam_nazarko, i did set memory split up before.. will test it ..
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[22:06] <eNcoR3> anybody here heard about the cubei??
[22:06] <eNcoR3> same like pi
[22:06] <coffe> sam_nazarko, tnx alothave som work to do now
[22:06] <eNcoR3> but with 1G
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[22:09] <eNcoR3> i mean Cubieboard
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[22:11] <CanadianPirate> Hi, I am trying to set up ircd-hybrid and hybserv on my pi. I can install ircd-hybrid, but installing hybserv does not seem to work, even when I compile from source
[22:12] <coffe> sam_nazarko, rpi-udate did tell me this : *** ARM/GPU split is now defined in /boot/config.txt using the gpu_mem option!
[22:12] <sam_nazarko> yep
[22:12] <sam_nazarko> now nano / vi / whatever you prefer /boot/config.txt
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[22:12] <coffe> sam_nazarko, i am a vim one
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[22:15] <sam_nazarko> Lol coffe did not realise you are in #raspbmc
[22:15] <coffe> sam_nazarko, i am :)
[22:16] <sam_nazarko> heh
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[22:30] <Hopsy> is this xbmc? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o20IKKSjn4A
[22:30] <Hopsy> it looks cool
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[22:46] <Rogier> Hi everyone, is this the place to ask questions? I just installed LAMP on my Pi, and added Sqlite, but cannot get it to work in PHP. Receiving Fatal error: Class 'SQLiteDatabase' not found in /var/www/sqlite.php on line 2 even though my PHPinfo says SQLite is there.. :S
[22:47] <Rogier> Installed everything according to: http://www.jeremymorgan.com/tutorials/raspberry-pi/how-to-raspberry-pi-web-server/
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[22:49] <mumbles> ok guys what hdmi to vga adaptor do people use?
[22:50] <mgottschlag> alright, anybody can explain to me how sudo worked again? -.- http://codepad.org/8GAxq1pQ
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[22:51] <mumbles> mgottschlag: sudo command
[22:52] <mumbles> reading though that check that you are in the right user area
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[22:54] <mgottschlag> "d????????? ? ? ? ? ? rpi-swd" - wtf, this must be some sshfs thing
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[22:54] <mgottschlag> (that's an output of ls -l of the parent directory
[22:54] <mgottschlag> )
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[22:55] <mgottschlag> anybody can tell me why root cannot access the directory which the user "pi" has mounted using sshfs before?
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[22:57] <mgottschlag> ah, great, because of fuse, only the user which mounted the directory can read the files
[22:57] <mgottschlag> anybody knows how I can work around that?
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[22:58] <mgottschlag> ("-o allow_other"...)
[22:59] <mumbles> mgottschlag: sorry i dont.
[22:59] <mgottschlag> already found it
[23:00] <mumbles> anyon know if any of theseactally work with a pi? http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/?_nkw=hdmi%20to%20vga%20raspberry%20pi&clk_rvr_id=467999303754
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[23:40] <dddh> should I try pcDuino next?
[23:40] <gordonDrogon> eveing.
[23:40] <gordonDrogon> gadgetoid, pong. been out all day...
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[23:51] <mumbles> anyone know of a good hdmi to vga adaptor ?
[23:51] <mumbles> dont mind if it is without sound
[23:51] <TheCloneBay> you need a converter box
[23:51] <TheCloneBay> analog to digital
[23:52] <zleap> mumbles, amazon sell one for about ?11
[23:52] <pksato> mumbles: all most all hdmi to vga usa a same chip.
[23:52] <zleap> hi gordonDrogon
[23:52] <mumbles> can onley find one for about 21 quid
[23:52] <mumbles> know of any that actally work ? reading mixxed reviews
[23:53] <TheCloneBay> :( Recently got my Raspberry PI B model seem to be having some issues powering it :/ when powered from my desktop booted no usb ports would power nor eathernet powered from server same outcome powered from iphone wall charger worked ish.... no eathernet usb works with some devices but never 2 at the same time :/ any help?
[23:53] <zleap> mumbles, http://tinyurl.com/crm92bs
[23:53] <zleap> looks like price has dropped :)
[23:53] <mumbles> TheCloneBay: i thought the how to connect says dont use comtpuer usb
[23:54] <mumbles> wow.
[23:54] <TheCloneBay> no idea.... but i tried that after
[23:54] <mumbles> thats better than what i was finding.
[23:54] <mumbles> at that price i dont care if it dosent work.
[23:54] <TheCloneBay> is it just a cable?
[23:55] <TheCloneBay> ah nope
[23:55] <TheCloneBay> they use a fair bit of power btw
[23:55] <TheCloneBay> you may want to look for a powered converter
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[23:55] <Scriven> TheCloneBay, the pi takes more power than a pc usb can safely provide, generally. And it's very sensitive to power.
[23:55] <TheCloneBay> all depends what you have in use i guess
[23:55] <TheCloneBay> ok... but the wall charger
[23:55] <Scriven> a good 1A 5V should do it, with some wiggle room.
[23:56] <mumbles> wifi and bluetooth for the mini keybord
[23:56] <pksato> hdmi2vga + audio http://www.buyincoins.com/new_en/details/new-mini-hdmi-male-to-vga-audio-hd-video-cable-converter-adapter-1080p-product-18163.html
[23:56] <Scriven> the wall chargers don't necessarily provide pure power, they sometimes have microchips in them that spike then restrict, depending on the device.
[23:56] <TheCloneBay> surley the wall charger would have provided that (i honetly have no idea what ampage it is i shall find out now actually)
[23:56] <Scriven> I've read this in some of the rpi faq stuff, but can't remember exactly where right now sorry.
[23:56] <mumbles> my galexy s2 charger dose mine
[23:56] <mumbles> when it dosent work on the s2
[23:57] <TheCloneBay> aprently the iphone wall charger is 5v 1A
[23:57] <TheCloneBay> exactly what you said would be ideal :/
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[23:58] <pksato> http://www.buyincoins.com/new_en/details/hdmi-male-to-vga-female-video-converter-adapter-cable-w-chipset-for-pc-dvd-hdtv-product-14470.html
[23:58] <TheCloneBay> How would anybody recomend i power it?
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