#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2013-04-15

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[0:45] <pycoderf> anyone have a list of packages which can be removed from the default image for raspbian?
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[0:53] <jroysdon> well, probably anything you want
[0:53] <jroysdon> (that is, things that you don't have the need to have functioning)
[0:53] <jroysdon> don't need the kernel? sure, remove it ;-p
[0:54] <SophieRxx> pycoderf: It all depends on what you will be doing really.
[0:54] <jroysdon> (right, that's my point)
[0:54] <SophieRxx> If you'll be doing coding you can remove the web browser etc.
[0:55] <pycoderf> i need to strip out as much as possible. its going to be a headless server box
[0:55] <jroysdon> yeah, it's gonna be a remove and test thing, one at a time
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[1:01] <pycoderf> and does raspbian already coem with the rpi-update tool?
[1:02] <SophieRxx> I don't think so, but I'm not 100% sure
[1:03] <jroysdon> like the raspi-config update line?
[1:04] <pycoderf> for the firmware and such
[1:05] <SophieRxx> rpi-update, developed by Hexxeh I think?
[1:05] <SophieRxx> not the same as raspi-config
[1:05] <pycoderf> also has anyone heard of this before http://sirlagz.net/2013/03/04/raspbian-server-edition-version-2-3-1gb-image/
[1:06] <SophieRxx> I can't say I have.
[1:07] <pycoderf> ah well will just strip out stuff from the recommended image then and see how it goes until freebsd 10 rolls around
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[1:14] <eggy> pycoderf: heh, that has been something I've been considering doing ;-)
[1:14] <pycoderf> eggy: what is that? slimmed down version of raspbian or freebsd?
[1:14] <eggy> talking about server version of raspbian
[1:15] <pycoderf> ah yeah
[1:15] <pycoderf> well once freebsd 10 which has support for arm releases im switching to that
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[1:19] <kkit> pycoderf, but does the freebsd kernel support the rpi's hardware?
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[1:20] <pycoderf> an arm version is in the works aimed at the rpi
[1:20] <pycoderf> can gpio be removed if i dont plan to use the pins?
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[1:22] <SophieRxx> just the package or the pins themselves?
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[1:23] <pycoderf> packages
[1:23] <SophieRxx> phew
[1:23] <pycoderf> haha
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[1:24] <pycoderf> im guessing thats a yes?
[1:25] <SophieRxx> I'd say so, but I'm no expert.
[1:26] <eggy> pycoderf: your blog?
[1:27] <pycoderf> blog?
[1:27] <eggy> the link you posted
[1:27] <pycoderf> thats not my blog
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[1:27] <pycoderf> also i have a stupid question
[1:28] <RIFLEISFINE> whats up guys?
[1:28] <pycoderf> say i plug in a flash drive and i want to use it as a backup point using cron. what is the command to list the drive/ i cant think of it off the top of my head
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[1:29] <SophieRxx> Heya RIFLEISFINE
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[1:29] <RIFLEISFINE> how good is a raspberry for an emulator
[1:29] <RIFLEISFINE> ?
[1:29] <kkit> depends what you're planning on emulating
[1:30] <RIFLEISFINE> maybe DS
[1:30] <pycoderf> i couldnt get nes or snes to work on mine with retroarch
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[1:34] <lilalinux> TomWij: are ther alternatives to the omxplayer?
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[1:42] <RIFLEISFINE> isnt there going to be a minecraft that works with PI?
[1:42] <steve_rox> allready released
[1:43] <RIFLEISFINE> ooooo
[1:43] <RIFLEISFINE> i want to play that
[1:43] <RIFLEISFINE> it any good?
[1:43] <steve_rox> its much like the android version
[1:43] <geordie> lilalinux: experiment with apt-cache to find raspbian packages such as video players
[1:43] <steve_rox> no complicated stuff like redstone
[1:44] <steve_rox> like the pocket ver
[1:44] <RIFLEISFINE> but with keyboard and mouse compatabillity?
[1:44] <lilalinux> geordie: actually I'm looking for an alternative that is usable by xbmc
[1:44] <steve_rox> yeah it does mouse keyboard
[1:44] <geordie> ah
[1:44] <steve_rox> minecraft on touch screen is a nightmare
[1:45] <RIFLEISFINE> watching a vid of it
[1:45] <RIFLEISFINE> ooo, no lag at all, nice
[1:45] <steve_rox> its quite smooth
[1:45] <steve_rox> it seems to compinsate for reduced memory by more aggressive distance clipping
[1:45] <steve_rox> or whatever
[1:46] <RIFLEISFINE> ill get it when i get my PI
[1:46] <RIFLEISFINE> and free, :D
[1:46] <steve_rox> there is a api interface too which allows you to manipulate the game
[1:46] <steve_rox> ive not used it tho since im clueless :-P
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[1:47] <SophieRxx> Pi edition plays well, but the actual gameplay isn't too interesting.
[1:47] <RIFLEISFINE> id rather play it vanilla
[1:47] <SophieRxx> It's like creative mode, but with less.
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[1:47] <RIFLEISFINE> aww D:
[1:47] <RIFLEISFINE> i want survival
[1:47] <SophieRxx> Being able to code in it is nice though.
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[1:47] <SophieRxx> Spawn in blocks, and other things using whatever language you want.
[1:47] <steve_rox> wonder if someone could hack together some multiplayer mode outside its limited lan only
[1:48] <RIFLEISFINE> that would be awesome
[1:49] <SophieRxx> Survival mode would be great, I'm just not sure how well the pi would handle it.
[1:49] <SophieRxx> PiEdition doesn't even have redstone, nevermind mobs
[1:49] <steve_rox> i was unable to get android minecraft to network with rpi minecraft , i assume due to version conflict error
[1:50] <RIFLEISFINE> not he total survival, just some survival
[1:50] <RIFLEISFINE> basic
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[1:50] <steve_rox> something of intrest, the win32 ver of minecraft format is cross compatible
[1:50] <steve_rox> map format
[1:51] <SophieRxx> ooh
[1:51] <SophieRxx> That would have been brilliant for me if I played vanilla
[1:51] <steve_rox> using a map editor you cann dump huge objecs in
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[1:52] <SophieRxx> Argh, keep forgetting how bright this led is.
[1:52] <lilalinux> sam_nazarko: which nightly should contain the iframe fix?
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[1:59] <RIFLEISFINE> could i run a deticated minecraft server on a PI?
[2:00] <RIFLEISFINE> wait, i dont know how to forward
[2:00] <RIFLEISFINE> nevermind
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[2:01] <SophieRxx> It wouldn't have much performance either.
[2:01] <RIFLEISFINE> yea
[2:01] <RIFLEISFINE> what cheap projects besides emulator could i do with a PO?
[2:01] <RIFLEISFINE> *pI
[2:02] <JakeSays> i ran an IRCd on mine for a while
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[2:02] <SophieRxx> GPIO is cheap and quite a few things you can do
[2:02] <SophieRxx> I used to use my pi as an IRC box.
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[2:02] <RIFLEISFINE> i was thinking IRC box also when not emulating
[2:02] <JakeSays> i'm going to put one of my pi's in a mouse trap to replace a basic stamp mcu
[2:03] <SophieRxx> and I've recently got into GPIO quite a lot.
[2:05] <JakeSays> SophieRxx: yeah i've been meaning to, but a little aprehensive about damaging my pi
[2:06] <SophieRxx> If you pay attention to what you're doing you'll be fine. I was really worried too.
[2:07] <SophieRxx> Just start small.
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[2:07] <JakeSays> my first project will be this mouse trap, but to start i think i'm just going to continue doing the hardware interfacing with the basic stamp, and connect that to the pi
[2:08] <SophieRxx> The first thing I did was make an LED blink.
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[2:09] <SpeedEvil> I want to get a pi mousetrap sorted out too.
[2:09] <JakeSays> SophieRxx: lol thats cool. did you need anything besides the pi and led?
[2:09] <SpeedEvil> my auto cannon keeps jamming after the three thousandth round or so though.
[2:09] <SophieRxx> Just a breadboard and jumper wires.
[2:10] <SophieRxx> oh and a resistor is a good idea.
[2:11] <JakeSays> i should probably move to the latest version of raspian as well
[2:12] <SophieRxx> Always a good idea.
[2:12] <SophieRxx> but yeah, it's just a led, resistor, breadboard, pi and jumper wires to connect them up.
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[2:14] <JakeSays> hmm. come to think of it, i should be able to re-use the breadboard and parts from my basic stamp
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[2:15] <SpeedEvil> antistatic precautions too.
[2:16] <SophieRxx> I bought a small kit from ebay to get started
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[2:17] <RIFLEISFINE> i want something like a Raspiboy
[2:17] <JakeSays> any of you use mono on the pi?
[2:20] <SophieRxx> I want to find out how to take inputs from a controller, the analogue sticks would be useful.
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[2:20] <JakeSays> also, which is better, raspian or arch linux?
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[2:20] <Matt> define "better"
[2:20] <SophieRxx> depends on what you want to do and your knowlege really.
[2:21] <JakeSays> Matt: heh. that i can't do
[2:21] <Matt> that's like saying, "which is better - ductape or gaffer tape?"
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[2:21] <JakeSays> SophieRxx: i have 30 years of software engineering knowledge, all but about, oh, 90 minutes of it on windows
[2:22] <Matt> I've not played with arch, so I can't really comment objectively
[2:22] <SophieRxx> If you just want to burn the image and play raspbian would be better.
[2:23] <JakeSays> yeah thats pretty much it - it worked well the first time
[2:23] <SophieRxx> But if you want to configure everything, install only the software you want etc, Arch would be better.
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[2:25] <SophieRxx> It seems my xbox controller idea wont work unless I buy a powered hub...
[2:25] <JakeSays> i'd love to get my kinect working with a pi
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[2:26] <SophieRxx> or I need to find a way to adjust a value using my keyboard
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[2:27] <SophieRxx> clicking a button constantly to increase a value isn't fun
[2:27] <JakeSays> lol no
[2:28] <SophieRxx> It shouldn't be too difficult to do in python I guess.
[2:29] <JakeSays> ah cool - both freebsd and netbsd have been ported
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[2:31] <Matt> SophieRxx: can you use the analog controllers to implement a slider type interface?
[2:32] <SophieRxx> That's what I want but I'd need to either buy a stick to connect via GPIO, or a powered hub so I can use the usb.
[2:32] <SophieRxx> so instead I'm compromising and using keyboard input.
[2:33] <Armand> What's the peak start-up draw on an rPi? Headless, no USB devices.
[2:35] <SophieRxx> Ooh I think I've solved my problem.
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[2:37] <JakeSays> do any of you overclock?
[2:37] <SophieRxx> I do
[2:38] <jroysdon> I might if I had heat sinks. I don't think I would without.
[2:39] <SophieRxx> You don't need heatsinks.
[2:39] <jroysdon> I understand it is not a requirement, but running it at higher clock rates produces more heat and can reduce the life
[2:39] <JakeSays> SophieRxx: how fast do you run it?
[2:40] <SophieRxx> I have this on the modest setting at the moment I think, and I have it on a custom overclock on raspbmc which I can't remember
[2:40] <SophieRxx> Nothing extreme.
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[2:43] <TheCloneBay> think this would work with the pi http://www.play.com/Mobiles/Mobile/4-/35739201/679725764/eForCity-Micro-USB-Portable-Battery-White-Version-2/ListingDetails.html?searchstring=usb+battery+pack&searchtype=allproducts&searchsource=0&searchfilters=s{usb+battery+pack}%2b&ob=4&urlrefer=search i looked over the spec ect seems ok just wondered what you guys think
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[2:44] <jroysdon> "Output: 5V, 0.5V, 800mA"
[2:44] <TheCloneBay> yeh :/ that confused me a little
[2:45] <TheCloneBay> not sure if its 5v or 0.5v
[2:45] <TheCloneBay> or dynamic
[2:45] <Armand> The "0.5v" might be the +/- variation.. ?
[2:45] <Armand> So, it's more like 4.5-5.5v ?
[2:45] <TheCloneBay> maybe
[2:46] <TheCloneBay> think it would be ok if i underclocked the pi too?
[2:46] <JakeSays> personally i'd go with something >= 1A
[2:46] <TheCloneBay> hard to find just a 5v 1a battery pack :/
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[2:48] <JakeSays> how can i tell which raspian build i'm currently running?
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[2:49] <TheCloneBay> might be a file in /etc/ called release or similar
[2:49] <Armand> lsb_release -d
[2:49] <Armand> ?
[2:49] <Matt> I don't have a box up running raspbian ATM, but does lsb_release -a help?
[2:49] <Armand> 'lsb_release -a' also useful
[2:49] <TheCloneBay> uname -X
[2:49] <jroysdon> cat /etc/rpi-issue
[2:50] * TheCloneBay has no pi well i do but no power :
[2:50] <TheCloneBay> buying the power cable tommrow :3
[2:50] <JakeSays> i dont have a lsb_release
[2:50] <Nerezza> Anyone here who could answer a few questions about domain name registering?
[2:50] <TheCloneBay> ttry uname -X
[2:50] <TheCloneBay> Nerezza i can :p
[2:50] <JakeSays> TheCloneBay: do you have a smartphone?
[2:50] <TheCloneBay> although here isnt the place
[2:50] <TheCloneBay> i do
[2:50] <TheCloneBay> iBreak 4
[2:50] <JakeSays> ah
[2:50] <JakeSays> too ad
[2:51] <JakeSays> bad
[2:51] <TheCloneBay> ikr :(
[2:51] <Nerezza> That was quick :P
[2:51] <jroysdon> JakeSays, try cat /etc/rpi-issue
[2:51] <TheCloneBay> Nerezza i run alot of sites :p what do you expect
[2:51] <JakeSays> jroysdon: that worked. thanks!
[2:51] <Nerezza> And it's related to the Pi, the domain is for a server I plan to set up on my new Pi so~
[2:51] <Armand> Nerezza, got mine already. ^_^
[2:52] <TheCloneBay> was considering trying to install cPanel on the pi with fedora i dont like cPanel but it qwould be intresting
[2:52] <TheCloneBay> Nerezza ok shoot
[2:52] <Armand> cpanel = license fee ?
[2:52] <JakeSays> Nerezza: a bit pedantic, but domain name registration has nothing to do with a pi
[2:53] <TheCloneBay> Aranel yeh :(
[2:53] <TheCloneBay> but i have a licence anyways
[2:53] <Armand> Cool. :)
[2:53] <TheCloneBay> licence to kill :D
[2:53] <TheCloneBay> jokes :p although i wish that was true :(
[2:54] <Armand> lol
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[2:54] * JakeSays isn't sure what he'd do with a license to kill
[2:55] <JakeSays> although the 'ex does come to mind :p
[2:55] <jroysdon> there ya go
[2:55] <Queeniebee> Has anyone setup the Pi as a router?
[2:55] <jroysdon> (I was about to say, you have no imagination, JakeSays)
[2:55] <JakeSays> lol
[2:55] <jroysdon> Queeniebee, no, but I am curious to set it up as a bridge (wired to wireless)
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[2:55] <JakeSays> openwrt would make that easier i imagine
[2:56] <TheCloneBay> intresying idea
[2:56] <TheCloneBay> intresting*
[2:56] <jroysdon> I've seen examples of it
[2:56] <Queeniebee> Yeah, I've been going through the OpenWrt documentation
[2:56] <jroysdon> I just haven't chased it down. It's really not that hard to do though
[2:56] <Queeniebee> I'm just a bit confused about the process of configuring the Pi as a router
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[2:56] <jroysdon> which part?
[2:56] <Queeniebee> since I don't want to connect it to the Internet
[2:57] <jroysdon> then you just enable routing
[2:57] <jroysdon> no need for nat
[2:57] <jroysdon> do you want to route from wifi to wired, or what?
[2:58] <jroysdon> http://qcktech.blogspot.com/2012/08/raspberry-pi-as-router.html
[2:58] <jroysdon> all you have to do to enable routing is turn on forwarding: http://qcktech.blogspot.com/2012/08/raspberry-pi-as-router.html
[2:58] <jroysdon> (mispaste the second time, should have been: sudo echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward )
[2:58] <jroysdon> anyway, the link has all the basics, including dhcp and nat
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[2:59] <Queeniebee> that qcktech tutorial includes some steps about connecting a modem
[2:59] <jroysdon> explain your topology? just skip the modem stuff
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[3:00] <jroysdon> actually, to start over, what do you want to route?
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[3:01] <Queeniebee> I'm creating a wireless LAN
[3:01] <JakeSays> iirc there's an openwrt port for the pi
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[3:02] <TheCloneBay> i belive he wants to bridge the internet connection from his wireless card to a eathernet port
[3:02] <TheCloneBay> it is possable but not simple :(
[3:02] <jroysdon> TheCloneBay, it's really not that hard to bridge interfaces
[3:02] <jroysdon> Queeniebee, are you trying to make a wireless mesh between many RPi with many wifi cards/networks?
[3:03] <TheCloneBay> really? i failed so hard :p
[3:03] <Queeniebee> eventually
[3:03] <Queeniebee> But I just want to start with one since I've read that meshing is pretty complicated
[3:03] <jroysdon> so do you really want to route between or just bridge the networks?
[3:03] <Henesy> I *tried* to upgrade the kernel on my pi to 3.8.6 from 3.6.11 using the previous kernel's config and expanding upon it. When the pi boots up it has a multi-coloured square in the middle of the screen and no other signs of life. Help?
[3:04] <Queeniebee> What's the difference?
[3:04] <jroysdon> bridging is layer 2 and all the same broadcast domain. routing is layer 3 and different broadcast domains and ip networks
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[3:05] <jroysdon> Queeniebee, I think you may want to do some reading up on networking before you go down this route so you understand the basics and can figure out what you want to do.
[3:05] <Queeniebee> I am, but it's not getting any clearer
[3:06] <mattwj2002> hi guys
[3:06] <SophieRxx> Hello mattwj2002
[3:06] <mattwj2002> my hdmi connection keeps on dropping the connection
[3:06] <mattwj2002> any ideas?
[3:06] <mattwj2002> :-s
[3:06] <mattwj2002> http://www.element14.com/community/thread/19021
[3:06] <mattwj2002> I tried # 2 no luck
[3:07] <jroysdon> Queeniebee, I don't mind trying to explain more, but it's pretty offtopic for here
[3:07] <SophieRxx> I was about to suggest #2...dang
[3:08] <Queeniebee> jroysdon, which channel would it be more on topic?
[3:08] <TheCloneBay> private message ;)
[3:08] <jroysdon> yeah, I don't know of a channel, but private message might be fine. I'd say #cisco, but they'd give you too much of a hard time, hah
[3:08] <Queeniebee> No way to #cisco
[3:08] <TheCloneBay> lol
[3:09] <jroysdon> Queeniebee, we can use ##networking
[3:09] <jroysdon> that way if I'm not around, others can help as well.
[3:09] <SophieRxx> Is it possible to use a potentiometer with a pi? The GPIO is all digital so I don't think it would work.
[3:09] <Matt> SophieRxx: you need an ADC for that
[3:10] <JakeSays> Queeniebee: have you investigated this? http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/raspberry_pi
[3:10] <Matt> but you can get a nice SPI ADC
[3:10] <SophieRxx> SPI?
[3:10] <Matt> the serial protocol
[3:10] <SophieRxx> Ahh
[3:11] <SophieRxx> I'll look into it, thanks.
[3:11] <Matt> gordonDrogon is probably a good man to ask about such things
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[3:11] <Matt> but he's probably asleep at the mo
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[3:11] <SophieRxx> I should be really, it's 2am.
[3:12] <JakeSays> SophieRxx: where are you?
[3:12] <SophieRxx> England
[3:12] <JakeSays> ah ok
[3:13] <SophieRxx> I can't even find an adc, I'm only finding parts for a tv.
[3:13] <jroysdon> JakeSays, I'm gonna check that out, if nothing else. So much to learn, so little time. Hah, but really I want to get into the GPIO stuff with the Pi.
[3:13] <JakeSays> SophieRxx: i thought adafruit had adc stuff
[3:14] <JakeSays> jroysdon: yeah me too. i have a ton of ideas for using the pi as a hardware controller
[3:14] <JakeSays> just need the time
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[3:14] <jroysdon> JakeSays, yup, same
[3:14] <mattwj2002> there
[3:14] <SophieRxx> So it does.
[3:15] <mattwj2002> crap!
[3:15] <jroysdon> that, and I want to learn more about electronics. Working at an electric company, you'd think I'd know more, but I'm just on the networking side of the house
[3:15] <mattwj2002> any ideas?
[3:15] <JakeSays> jroysdon: yeah thats also a huge issue for me. i did a lot of tinkering in highschool, but that was 30 years ago
[3:16] <JakeSays> all of that info has since been replaced with other things
[3:16] <\\Mr_C\\> ive got the /etc/network/interfaces configured, but for some reason its still not connecting, is there another file i need to edit to make it auto connect?
[3:16] <SophieRxx> $3.75, not bad.
[3:16] <\\Mr_C\\> for wlan0
[3:16] <jroysdon> \\Mr_C\\, what sort of authentication?
[3:17] <\\Mr_C\\> just basic web
[3:17] <\\Mr_C\\> wep
[3:17] <jroysdon> For WPA, you'll need to edit /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf
[3:17] <jroysdon> dunno for wep. I wouldn't use wep, either open it up or use WPA
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[3:17] <jroysdon> (wep is a joke)
[3:18] <\\Mr_C\\> PLEASE
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[3:18] <\\Mr_C\\> auto wlan0
[3:18] <\\Mr_C\\> allow-hotplug wlan0
[3:18] <\\Mr_C\\> iface wlan0 inet dhcp
[3:18] <\\Mr_C\\> wireless-essid xxx
[3:18] <\\Mr_C\\> wireless-mode managed
[3:18] <\\Mr_C\\> wireless-key s:3030303030303
[3:18] <\\Mr_C\\> is my config
[3:18] <mattwj2002> please don't flood
[3:19] <chithead> wpa_supplicant can connect to wpa, wep and unencrypted networks
[3:19] <mattwj2002> use our friend pastebin!
[3:19] <\\Mr_C\\> sigh
[3:19] <mattwj2002> :)
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[3:19] <\\Mr_C\\> very well
[3:19] <\\Mr_C\\> either way i want wep
[3:19] <\\Mr_C\\> so is there another file i need to edit to make it activate this?
[3:19] * TheCloneBay gives \\Mr_C\\ wep
[3:19] <jroysdon> \\Mr_C\\, did you use the wpa_gui tool? It might make things easier for you
[3:20] <\\Mr_C\\> i dont have a gui installed
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[3:20] <jroysdon> I'd say until you figure it out, that's probably the easiest way to go. I don't have a WEP AP around to get you the settings, and I don't imaging most folks would either since it is insecure.
[3:20] <chithead> just use the wpa-conf example as per http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse and put a wep entry in wpa_supplicant.conf
[3:21] <SophieRxx> I tried using the wpa_gui tool, it worked fine until I restarted
[3:21] <SophieRxx> so I edited a file instead and now it works beautifully
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[3:25] <\\Mr_C\\> is this supported? Bus 001 Device 005: ID 148f:5370 Ralink Technology, Corp. RT5370 Wireless Adapter
[3:25] <\\Mr_C\\> that maybe the problem
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[3:26] <jroysdon> \\Mr_C\\, mine works Bus 001 Device 004: ID 148f:5370 Ralink Technology, Corp. RT5370 Wireless Adapter
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[3:26] <\\Mr_C\\> oh
[3:27] <jroysdon> (mine is an Edimax)
[3:27] <\\Mr_C\\> i think thats what this is
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[3:34] <\\Mr_C\\> well the alfa 8187l works, but not the ralink 5370
[3:35] <\\Mr_C\\> same configuration
[3:35] <\\Mr_C\\> different adapter
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[3:35] <jroysdon> Interesting.
[3:36] <jroysdon> I have an alfa, but it won't power up and I don't have an external usb hub
[3:36] <\\Mr_C\\> mine just worked
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[3:37] <\\Mr_C\\> was hoping to use the ralink since its smaller
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[3:39] <jroysdon> Interesting, my Alfa shows up as: Bus 001 Device 003: ID 0bda:8187 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. RTL8187 Wireless Adapter
[3:40] <jroysdon> model AWUS036H - get big external antennae on it which is good for sniffing
[3:40] <\\Mr_C\\> Bus 001 Device 004: ID 148f:5370 Ralink Technology, Corp. RT5370 Wireless Adapter
[3:40] <\\Mr_C\\> Bus 001 Device 005: ID 0bda:8187 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. RTL8187 Wireless Adapter
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[3:41] <jroysdon> Interesting, and it powers up no problem ? I wonder if my microusb power source is underpowered. I got a newer/better once since my original test. I should try again.
[3:42] <\\Mr_C\\> im using a 2 amp power supply
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[3:42] <\\Mr_C\\> oops
[3:42] <\\Mr_C\\> 2000 milliwatt power supply
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[3:42] <\\Mr_C\\> mA
[3:42] <JakeSays> thats 2a
[3:45] <[Saint]> A
[3:45] <jroysdon> mine alfa will work with no other usb devices plugged in
[3:45] <jroysdon> but even a simple usb keyboard + alfa is too much for the usb power source I have, doh. Of course, if I am going to use this headless, it won't matter
[3:46] <[Saint]> if ~50mA makes suck a difference, you'll probably find the device is underpowered.
[3:47] <[Saint]> despite the fact it may "work".
[3:47] <[Saint]> s/suck/such/
[3:47] <\\Mr_C\\> whats this mean?
[3:47] <\\Mr_C\\> oot@x:~# ifconfig wlan0 up
[3:47] <\\Mr_C\\> SIOCSIFFLAGS: No such file or directory
[3:47] <\\Mr_C\\> thats for the ralink one
[3:47] <jroysdon> no doubt. I will get a better usb power source if/when I actually use the alfa. It was just left over from my sniffing projects
[3:47] * JakeSays wonders about 1ghz overclocking
[3:47] <[Saint]> JakeSays: ...wonders...about what?
[3:47] <[Saint]> ask a question.
[3:48] <JakeSays> i have no question to ask
[3:48] <geordie> so? just ask already
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[3:50] <JakeSays> which is better, peaches or doors?
[3:50] * [Saint] goes with doors.
[3:51] <[Saint]> If doors were seasonal, Winter would suck.
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[3:51] <jroysdon> Is there a way to test an unlabeled USB power source to see what it supports?
[3:52] <jroysdon> I want to find the best ones in the house to use, and then swap them with some cheap chargers I got for like $3
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[3:52] <jroysdon> (short of trial and error, of course)
[3:53] <[Saint]> Multimeter.
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[3:53] <jroysdon> ok, and some way to convert the plug to larger so I can access it
[3:53] * [Saint] points out that this will likely cost more than just buying a suitable PSU in the first place.
[3:54] <jroysdon> nah, I already have a multimeter, plus it's a good learning experience
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[3:55] <JakeSays> hmh. how do i launch the configuration app?
[3:56] <jroysdon> sudo raspi-config
[3:56] <[Saint]> you'll want to test the PSU(s) in question with no device attached, and then if they meet the requirments you'll want to test to see whether or not they can actually supply a stable 5V line.
[3:56] <JakeSays> ah -.
[3:56] <JakeSays> so close
[3:56] <jroysdon> JakeSays, suggest using tab-completion to help...
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[3:57] <jroysdon> [Saint], ok, so 5V, but I need to put some amount of load on it, correct? Can the multimeter do that?
[3:57] <[Saint]> Use the test points on the Pi for this.
[3:58] <[Saint]> ...since that's the device you'll be powering, I assume.
[3:58] <jroysdon> oh, ok, so connected to the Pi, but with no downstream USB devices connected to the Pi
[3:58] <[Saint]> The main reason to check the PSU(s) before pluggin anything in is just to make sure you don't try putting 12V through the poor wee thing.
[3:58] <jroysdon> ah, ok
[3:59] <[Saint]> then, if you find a suitable candidate in the %V 1A+ range, see if its stable.
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[3:59] <[Saint]> s/%/5/
[3:59] <jroysdon> ok, time to go find it in the garage, heh
[4:00] <[Saint]> *ahem* "Man Cave" *ahem*...
[4:00] <[Saint]> ;)
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[4:03] <\\Mr_C\\> Bus 001 Device 004: ID 0bda:817f Realtek Semiconductor Corp. RTL8188RU 802.11n WLAN Adapter
[4:03] <\\Mr_C\\> works too
[4:03] <\\Mr_C\\> both alfa's work but not this ralink crap
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[4:03] <JakeSays> is there a command i can use to display my current overclock settings?
[4:04] <Triffid_Hunter> JakeSays: like mount /boot; cat /boot/config.txt? or more like grep . /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpufreq/* ?
[4:05] <[Saint]> "cat /boot/config.txt
[4:05] <Triffid_Hunter> might have to go into cpu0/cpufreq with the sys, it seems to vary from system to system
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[4:09] <JakeSays> [Saint]: that tells me what is configured, not what is running. i'm trying to figure out if the shift key was detected at boot
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[4:13] <\\Mr_C\\> jakesays: what do you have in your interfaces for your ralink to work?
[4:13] <JakeSays> \\Mr_C\\: i'm not using wireless, yet
[4:14] <\\Mr_C\\> so how do you know it works?
[4:14] <JakeSays> \\Mr_C\\: um, i dont
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[4:15] <chupacabra> I plugged mine and booted and it just worked.
[4:15] <chupacabra> cheap ralink
[4:16] <chupacabra> gave me an opportunity to choose a network and gone to it ever since
[4:16] <JakeSays> i have an ooold linksys dongle i've been meaning to try
[4:16] <chupacabra> my linksys works too but slower and less reliable
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[4:17] <JakeSays> i'm not worried about speed
[4:17] <JakeSays> it'll just be used in a mouse trap
[4:17] <chupacabra> lol cool
[4:18] <chupacabra> mine is powering my webserver
[4:18] <chupacabra> pihole.mooo.com
[4:18] <JakeSays> sure wish i could figure out how to repurpose a bunch of old smartphone parts
[4:19] <JakeSays> i'd like to use an old iphone screen on my pi
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[4:20] <chupacabra> ya, be cool. why not? drivers might be a bitch but what about android screens
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[4:20] <JakeSays> i dont have any old android devices
[4:20] <[Saint]> language
[4:20] <chupacabra> ok heheh
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[4:20] <JakeSays> i have three old iphones
[4:20] <chupacabra> oops sry
[4:21] <JakeSays> which sucks, because as far as hardware goes they'd make great little controllers
[4:21] <JakeSays> but the os sucks ass
[4:21] <[Saint]> language
[4:21] <[Saint]> :)
[4:22] <MadTBone> Sorry if this topic has been talked about to death. What's the state of getting audio into the Pi via the i2s?
[4:22] <Armand> Hey, [Saint]... You're no saint!! ?_?
[4:22] <Armand> *fnaar*
[4:22] * [Saint] is now known as [Sinner]
[4:23] <Armand> HAhaha
[4:23] <[Sinner]> I am aware of this
[4:23] * [Sinner] is now known as [Saint]
[4:23] <JakeSays> and the camera - i have a couple of old phone cameras that would be cool to use
[4:23] * [Saint] thinks having both those nicks reg'ed is awesome :)
[4:23] * Armand hands [Saint] a bottle of Jack and 12 hooker-bots.
[4:23] <pksato> MadTBone: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/search.php?keywords=i2s
[4:24] <MadTBone> Yes pksato. I know how to use a forum search. I was hoping for more current info
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[4:28] <[Saint]> JakeSays: "cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq"
[4:28] <[Saint]> the more "pi-specific" way would be "vcgencmd get_config arm_freq" iirc.
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[4:30] <JakeSays> [Saint]: only thing i had under cpufreq was ondemand
[4:31] <[Saint]> Hummm...maybe that's an Arch thing, but I wouldn't think so.
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[4:31] <JakeSays> lol i think 1ghz messed up my file system
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[4:35] <[Saint]> JakeSays: out of interest, what's the RAM chip on your board?
[4:35] <[Saint]> Hynix or Samsung?
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[4:36] <JakeSays> is that the large chip? if so, samsung
[4:37] <[Saint]> Hmmmm...odd.
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[4:39] <JakeSays> i thought the 512mb pi's were made in the uk
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[4:40] <[Saint]> I don't think the UK plant is actually producing yet, is it?
[4:40] <JakeSays> i thought it was, but no idea for sure
[4:41] <chupacabra> just today news of 1/2 million made in uk
[4:41] <[Saint]> AH. Hum.
[4:41] <[Saint]> I stand corrected.
[4:41] <JakeSays> huh. both of my 512mb pis say made in china
[4:42] <[Saint]> I purchased several within the past few months from RS UK, all made in China.
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[4:45] <chupacabra> both of mine say UK
[4:45] <chupacabra> im in texas
[4:47] <JakeSays> chupacabra: how long ago did you get them?
[4:48] <chupacabra> one 2 months ago and one last month
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[4:48] <JakeSays> i got mine in december
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[4:48] <JakeSays> ordered in august :(
[4:48] <chupacabra> ahhh
[4:51] <[Saint]> I ordered 20 from RS UK in March, all made in China.
[4:52] <JakeSays> 20.. dang.
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[4:55] <SophieRxx> I could do with a second pi so I don't need to keep swapping cards.
[4:56] <[Saint]> Can you solder, SophieRxx?
[4:56] <[Saint]> It is very easy to make a breakout board for the sdcard that allows you to change between multiple cards.
[4:57] <SophieRxx> Is it worth the effort though?
[4:57] <[Saint]> Alternatively, you could look at something like BerryBoot - so you don't have to swap cards at all.
[4:57] <SophieRxx> I considered BerryBoot but didn't fancy reinstalling the OS.
[4:58] <[Saint]> SophieRxx: depends how much effort it is for you - you know your own skill level, I guess.
[4:58] <[Saint]> If you can solder, and have the parts laying around, it is ~30 minutes work.
[4:58] <SophieRxx> I don't have the parts but I could go shopping.
[4:58] <JakeSays> SophieRxx: i'd rather have multiple pi's
[4:59] <JakeSays> just.. because
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[4:59] <SophieRxx> Now I think about it, it would be easier (and cheaper) to just make a breakout board.
[4:59] <JakeSays> it took me 4 months to get my pi's so i'm real paranoid about mods
[4:59] <[Saint]> I'm pretty sure you can buy multi-card sdcard units pre-made.
[4:59] <[Saint]> but usually they only take two cards.,
[5:00] <SophieRxx> I should just stop being so lazy.
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[5:00] <JakeSays> however if i had 20 pi's..
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[5:00] <geordie> my son and i started soldering our gertboard together last night
[5:00] <[Saint]> I don't have 20, lol, I was putting in a bulk order fr a hackerspace I co-run.
[5:00] <geordie> we are about half way through the job
[5:00] <[Saint]> I "only" have 4.
[5:01] <SophieRxx> I haven't done any soldering since I was at school.
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[5:01] <SophieRxx> so about 10 years.
[5:01] <JakeSays> [Saint]: lol ah ok
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[5:01] <JakeSays> geordie: i want a gertboard!
[5:02] <geordie> not too long ago there were some on eBay
[5:02] <SophieRxx> One thing that really bugs me is when I want to do something, but I don't have the parts needed.
[5:02] <geordie> the kit version
[5:03] <[Saint]> One the pi I haver sitting at the hackerspace, I basically have a pushbutton assembly in place for the sdcard. a "dummy" sdcard plugs into the Pi, serving as a way to get the wiring to the breakout board without damaging the Pi itself, and then there is 4 sdcard slots on the breakout board with a pushbotton selector and LED indicator.
[5:03] <[Saint]> I just push a button depending on which sdcard I want exposed to the Pi.
[5:03] <geordie> SophieRxx: is there a hackspace near where you live?
[5:03] <SophieRxx> Probably.
[5:03] <SophieRxx> Checking now.
[5:03] * geordie is lucky - there's one a ten minute walk from his house
[5:03] <pksato> perhaps, is possible to use emergency kernel to load another OS on same SD. emergency kernel is selected by some gpio pin.
[5:04] <SophieRxx> es there is.
[5:04] <SophieRxx> Yes*
[5:04] <[Saint]> That's the way berryboot (ab)uses the kernel loading iirc.
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[5:05] <SophieRxx> I wanted to try using a stepper motor with the pi but I don't have a motor, or the female to female jumpers.
[5:05] <SophieRxx> and I have no idea how to control it
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[5:06] <geordie> i bet someone at your local hackspace does
[5:06] <SophieRxx> I could probably look it up.
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[5:10] <RIFLEISFINE> hackerspaces?
[5:10] <SophieRxx> like local clubs.
[5:10] <RIFLEISFINE> oh, cool
[5:11] <RIFLEISFINE> what do they do?
[5:12] <[Saint]> Think of it as a nerd club, where nerds gather to do nerd things.
[5:12] <geordie> provide a space for like-minded people to build cool hardware and software
[5:12] <RIFLEISFINE> sounds up my alley
[5:13] <\\Mr_C\\> what would be the proper command line to install this? http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/f/firmware-nonfree/firmware-ralink_0.37_all.deb
[5:13] <SophieRxx> Ugh, I wish Adafruit explained the python code
[5:14] <RIFLEISFINE> are there any hackerspaces in witchita kansas?
[5:14] <pksato> aptitude install firmware-ralink
[5:14] <SophieRxx> rather than just "copy and paste this, change this value to make it do x"
[5:14] <JakeSays> SophieRxx: there is no explaining python code :p
[5:14] <SophieRxx> It's actually putting me off from trying to use a stepper motor.
[5:14] <[Saint]> \\Mr_C\\: "sudo apt-get install firmware-ralink"
[5:15] <\\Mr_C\\> sint i tried that
[5:15] <\\Mr_C\\> it wouldnt work
[5:15] <JakeSays> SophieRxx: how are you interfacing with the stepper?
[5:15] <SophieRxx> RIFLEISFINE: Yes there is
[5:15] <[Saint]> \\Mr_C\\: define.
[5:15] <RIFLEISFINE> address for it?
[5:15] <\\Mr_C\\> E: Unable to locate package firmware-ralink
[5:16] <\\Mr_C\\> root@x:~# aptitude install firmware-ralink
[5:16] <\\Mr_C\\> Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "firmware-ralink"
[5:16] <pksato> \\Mr_C\\: need to configure non-free repository.
[5:16] <[Saint]> Do you have the nonfree repository added?
[5:16] <SophieRxx> JakeSays: I'd connect to the driver board through GPIO
[5:16] <\\Mr_C\\> i dont know
[5:16] <SophieRxx> 4 wires
[5:16] <\\Mr_C\\> how do i add that?
[5:16] <JakeSays> SophieRxx: which driver board are you using?
[5:16] <pksato> edit /etc/apt/source.lst and append non-free on lines
[5:16] <RIFLEISFINE> where are these ones hosted in witchita?
[5:17] <SophieRxx> argh can't multitask....
[5:17] <pksato> ops, /etc/apt/sources.list
[5:17] <SophieRxx> RIFLEISFINE: http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/MakeIcT
[5:17] <SophieRxx> JakeSays: ULN2003
[5:17] <pksato> line like it: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian squeeze main to deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian squeeze main non-free contrib
[5:19] <\\Mr_C\\> oh yea, its working
[5:19] <\\Mr_C\\> thank you
[5:19] <JakeSays> SophieRxx: interesting. i have 3 steppers i'd love to drive with a pi
[5:20] <RiXtEr> What spawns X, I have removed lightdm, what else needs done ?
[5:20] <SophieRxx> I just don't know what each pin on the board does.
[5:20] <SophieRxx> So I don't know how to write a program for it.
[5:20] <pksato> SophieRxx: read the magpi magazine.
[5:21] <SophieRxx> oooh...Didn't think of that.
[5:21] <geordie> SophieRxx: check out gordonDrogon's site
[5:22] <SophieRxx> Isn't that in C though geordie? I'd rather stick to python
[5:22] <pksato> and, some book about basic electronics
[5:22] <RiXtEr> SophieRxx, python is easy :)
[5:22] <geordie> SophieRxx: yeah you're right he favours c
[5:23] <geordie> but there're great description of all the gpio pins
[5:23] <SophieRxx> I know what the GPIO pins do, I mean the pins on the driver board.
[5:23] <SophieRxx> I know how to wire up the motor etc, just unsure of how to write a program for it.
[5:23] <JakeSays> wtf.. seems i can't apt-get anything
[5:24] <JakeSays> like i'm missing a setting or something
[5:24] <pksato> SophieRxx: you choose that gpio pin do.
[5:24] <RiXtEr> SophieRxx, here is what I've been working on ... http://paste.ubuntu.com/5709461/
[5:24] <RiXtEr> SophieRxx, might give you a start on the python :)
[5:25] <pksato> except for special functions like i2c, spi, uart, etc.
[5:25] <SophieRxx> RiXtEr: That just confuses me.
[5:25] <SophieRxx> Yes I know pksato, nevermind, I'll just leave it
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[5:32] <[Saint]> JakeSays: define?
[5:32] <JakeSays> [Saint]: wut?
[5:32] <[Saint]> If you're more explicit, people can actually help you.
[5:33] <SophieRxx> Give us some details
[5:33] <SophieRxx> Any errors?
[5:33] <[Saint]> [15:23:52] <JakeSays> wtf.. seems i can't apt-get anything
[5:33] <[Saint]> [15:24:04] <JakeSays> like i'm missing a setting or something <-- basically meaningless noise.
[5:33] <JakeSays> [Saint]: well, i tried sudo apt-get install libzlib
[5:33] <JakeSays> said it couldn't find the package
[5:33] <SophieRxx> So it isn't in the repo.
[5:33] <JakeSays> thats happened a couple of times
[5:33] <RiXtEr> JakeSays, when was the last time you did a apt-get update ?
[5:33] <JakeSays> SophieRxx: no, i'm sure its something i'm doing wrong
[5:33] <JakeSays> RiXtEr: i did
[5:34] <JakeSays> er, i just did
[5:34] <JakeSays> didnt help
[5:34] <RiXtEr> JakeSays, ok, how about apt-cache search zlib
[5:34] <\\Mr_C\\> jakesays
[5:34] <\\Mr_C\\> you will have to upgrade the firmware for the ralink to work
[5:34] <\\Mr_C\\> i finally got it to work when i did that firmware-ralink installed
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[5:34] <JakeSays> RiXtEr: ah apt-cache - thats what i was looking for
[5:35] <RIFLEISFINE> anyone here go to the witchita hackerspace?
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[5:35] <JakeSays> \\Mr_C\\: um, not sure why you're directing that to me - i dont even know what an ralink is
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[5:36] <\\Mr_C\\> oops, sorry jroysdon
[5:36] <\\Mr_C\\> jroysdon, you there?
[5:36] <jroysdon> \\Mr_C\\, ah, I must have received newer firmware with mine
[5:37] <jroysdon> (I never had a problem)
[5:37] <\\Mr_C\\> so you connected with it?
[5:37] <SophieRxx> I really wish my hub would arrive so I didn't have to use vnc!
[5:37] <[Saint]> JakeSays: don't you want s/libzlib/zlib/?
[5:37] <jroysdon> yup, before I ever connected it to the Internet it worked with the ralink
[5:37] <[Saint]> I'm pretty sure the reason why this is failing is that you're giving an incorrect package name.
[5:37] <jroysdon> \\Mr_C\\, you upgraded the firmware on the ralink or on the RPi?
[5:37] <JakeSays> [Saint]: probably, but the mono deps state libzlib
[5:38] <\\Mr_C\\> rpi
[5:38] <JakeSays> i installed zlib1g-dev
[5:38] <jroysdon> gotcha. Yeah, so I must have gotten a newer batch. Mine came in two weeks ago
[5:38] <RiXtEr> JakeSays, those will be header files...
[5:38] <[Saint]> JakeSays: just install mono with force deps.
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[5:38] <RiXtEr> JakeSays, so unless you are installing something that needs those headers, they won't likely help
[5:38] <[Saint]> you shouldn;t need/have to chase up dependencies manually.
[5:38] <[Saint]> this is the reason package managers exist :)
[5:39] <jroysdon> But I guess that is a good point that people should do: Connect via ethernet, update the software and firmware before trying anything else
[5:39] <JakeSays> [Saint]: i dont want the pre-built mono - it doesnt use hard fp
[5:39] <RiXtEr> [Saint], they are great unless you are wanting cutting edge (or less than 6 month old) software.
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[5:39] <JakeSays> RiXtEr: i'm building mono so i'll need headers
[5:39] <RiXtEr> JakeSays, sure! :)
[5:40] <[Saint]> RiXtEr: that's a usage problem.
[5:40] <RiXtEr> JakeSays, just wanted to make sure you knew what you were getting ;)
[5:40] <\\Mr_C\\> jroys, i did that already
[5:40] <\\Mr_C\\> before i even tried the wifi
[5:40] <JakeSays> RiXtEr: i've built mono before, but its been so long i forget the details :(
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[5:41] <jroysdon> \\Mr_C\\, err, ok, but it didn't work, and then you had to do it again?
[5:41] <SophieRxx> Heh, lighting up the room with a single flashing LED, anyone outside must be wondering what on earth is going on
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[5:41] <\\Mr_C\\> i installed a fresh clean network install
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[5:41] <\\Mr_C\\> i didnt use the default images that they provide
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[5:41] <[Saint]> \\Mr_C\\: protip: use [Tab] to do nick-completion in IRC so the people you are talking to actually know you're talking to them
[5:41] <JakeSays> on raspian what is the usual install prefix? iirc /usr/local isn't it
[5:42] <\\Mr_C\\> hehe, ok
[5:42] <[Saint]> On a sane IRC clinet "M+[Tab] == \\Mr_C\\
[5:42] <[Saint]> etc.
[5:42] <jroysdon> \\Mr_C\\, yeah, I just hit "\[tab]" and I get a match for you
[5:42] <\\Mr_C\\> M+?
[5:42] <\\Mr_C\\> what is M?
[5:43] <[Saint]> jroysdon: it should match on M too
[5:43] <RiXtEr> the letter
[5:43] <jroysdon> guess mine is not sane
[5:43] <RiXtEr> \\Mr_C\\, the letter m
[5:43] <JakeSays> \\Mr_C\\ isn't the best choice for a nick anyway
[5:43] <jroysdon> even Mr_C+tab has no match
[5:43] <RiXtEr> on xchat I have to hit
[5:43] <\\Mr_C\\> oh i see
[5:43] <RiXtEr> \
[5:43] <pksato> JakeSays: /usr/local is one of place to thirtpart (out of distro) programs.
[5:43] <jroysdon> M r _Sheesh gets in the way
[5:43] <SophieRxx> I don't have a match with M
[5:43] <[Saint]> Hum, "sane" clients respect the last spoken order as well
[5:43] <SophieRxx> I need the \
[5:43] <\\Mr_C\\> i i press the letter than tab
[5:43] <\\Mr_C\\> oh thats cool
[5:43] <[Saint]> :)
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[5:44] <JakeSays> pksato: is that the usual place for a debian system? seems they change from one distro to the next
[5:44] <[Saint]> jroysdon: my client uses the last spoken order for suggestion instead of alphabetical order - some clients let you configure this, others aren't quite as smart.
[5:44] <RiXtEr> \\Mr_C\\, yeah, I find my self prefixing more than I probably need to ;)
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[5:45] <jroysdon> interesting, but as a touch typist that doesn't think just types, that could cause problems if you have nicks that are close and both active
[5:45] <JakeSays> my client seems to match well on any part of a nic
[5:45] <JakeSays> k
[5:45] <pksato> JakeSays: all non packaged prograns normaly are instaled on /usr/local
[5:46] <JakeSays> pksato: ok thanks. i'll use it then
[5:46] <pksato> and, most configuration script use it as default.
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[5:46] <pksato> but, some recomend to use /opt/name_of_program/
[5:47] <[Saint]> that's not really the best IMO.
[5:47] <[Saint]> at least /usr/local is already in $PATH
[5:47] <pksato> /usr/local is on path.
[5:48] <[Saint]> Yep. I just said that.
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[5:50] <pksato> oh... fail on my english interpleter. :) or just a sleepiness.
[5:50] <[Saint]> Not a problem. English isn't exactly an easy language to learn.
[5:51] <JakeSays> even when its your native tongue
[5:51] <[Saint]> In fact, English is a *terrible* language to learn as a second language.
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[5:51] <[Saint]> Sooooooooo many contradictions, and double negatives.
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[5:51] <JakeSays> there ain't neither
[5:51] <Triffid_Hunter> english is terrible to learn full stop... eg, pronounce these words: rough, dough, cough, bough
[5:52] <[Saint]> ruff duff cuff anf buff!
[5:52] <[Saint]> ...duh.
[5:52] <[Saint]> :P
[5:52] <SophieRxx> The soldier deserted his dessert in the desert.
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[5:52] <[Saint]> Baffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo
[5:53] <JakeSays> SophieRxx: that one messes me up a lot
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[5:53] <[Saint]> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo_buffalo_Buffalo_buffalo_buffalo_buffalo_Buffalo_buffalo
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[5:53] <[Saint]> this is a god one.
[5:53] <SophieRxx> I know somebody who speaks better English than most people I talk to online, she's french.
[5:53] <SophieRxx> Although she's been studying it for 13 years.
[5:53] <[Saint]> It is the longest sentence in the English language that actually still makes sense with repitition of only one word.
[5:54] <[Saint]> completely valid gramatically.
[5:54] <SophieRxx> Buffalo is?
[5:54] <[Saint]> "Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo" is.
[5:55] <[Saint]> If you're curious, read the wiki article, but, yes, that is an entirely valid sentence.
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[5:55] <SophieRxx> That's really confusing.
[5:55] <SophieRxx> Yet so awesome.
[5:55] <[Saint]> "The sentence's meaning becomes clearer when it's understood that it uses the city of Buffalo, New York and the somewhat-uncommon verb "to buffalo" (meaning "to bully or intimidate"), and when the punctuation and grammar is expanded so that the sentence reads as follows: "Buffalo buffalo that Buffalo buffalo buffalo, buffalo Buffalo buffalo." The meaning becomes even clearer when synonyms are used: "Buffalo bison that other Buffalo bison bully,
[5:55] <[Saint]> themselves bully Buffalo bison.""
[5:55] <JakeSays> proper speech is sexy as hell
[5:56] <[Saint]> Tru dat, yo.
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[5:56] <SophieRxx> Everytime I see somebody butcher the English language I want to stick forks in my eyes.
[5:57] <JakeSays> SophieRxx: LOL indeed.
[5:57] <dividedbyzer0> May I supply the forks?
[5:57] <JakeSays> although i'm often guilty
[5:57] <SophieRxx> Saying that, I live near a city with the worst accent ever.
[5:57] <SophieRxx> dividedbyzer0: only if they're clean.
[5:57] <[Saint]> I had a giggle the other day looking at my partners prediction dictionary on her phone.
[5:57] <SophieRxx> They don't say O's!
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[5:57] <SophieRxx> so "hello" is "ellur"
[5:57] <dividedbyzer0> SophieRxx, clean and shiny.
[5:57] <[Saint]> She had gone to the trouble of adding all the "txt speak" type words to the custom dictionary.
[5:57] <JakeSays> america is full of crazy accents
[5:57] <[Saint]> ....sigh
[5:58] <SophieRxx> "Ellur, arm frm 'ull"
[5:58] <SophieRxx> "A lark curca curla, a soft drink best served curled"
[5:58] <SophieRxx> ughh
[5:58] <JakeSays> even at 950mhz building mono is going to take forever
[5:59] <[Saint]> She likes predictive txt, as it means there's no need for "multi-tap", but she still finds it too slow, and has a hard time with some words because you need to know how to spell most of the word for predictive text to be useful at all.
[5:59] <[Saint]> ...so she added a bunch of "txt speak" to the user dictionary.
[5:59] <[Saint]> It cracked me up.
[5:59] <SophieRxx> I hate predictive text, I find it quicker to just type the word out.
[6:00] <[Saint]> ur, l8r, urs, luv, h8, etc...
[6:00] <JakeSays> same
[6:00] <dividedbyzer0> I'm assuming this thing spells out the complete word, correct?
[6:00] * [Saint] couldn't live without predictive text.
[6:00] <[Saint]> used correctly, there's no way anyone can compete with multi-tap.
[6:00] <[Saint]> it is a LOT faster.
[6:01] <SophieRxx> I can't even use keypad phones now, I've become too used to my touchscreen.
[6:01] <JakeSays> even after 15 years or so of texting, i still don't like it.
[6:01] <[Saint]> Especially if your prediction algorithms are smart enough to take the previous and next word(s) into account.
[6:01] <[Saint]> Those that simply predict the spelling of the current word are lame.
[6:01] <[Saint]> the ones that attempt to predict the next word(s) based on the previous and current words can speed things up dramatically.
[6:02] <[Saint]> but you need to spend a while "teaching" them.
[6:02] <SophieRxx> I don't text that much anyway.
[6:02] <[Saint]> I wouldn't go back to a world without predictive text algorithms.
[6:03] <[Saint]> ...not willingly at least. :)
[6:04] <dividedbyzer0> What ever happened to actually talking to the person?
[6:04] <[Saint]> takes too long.
[6:05] <JakeSays> dividedbyzer0: that is do 90's
[6:05] <JakeSays> *so
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[6:05] * [Saint] can't wait until this becomes a thing with touchscreens: http://youtube.googleapis.com/v/CW83CGR4wjE
[6:05] <SophieRxx> I hate people. Why would I want to talk to them?
[6:05] <JakeSays> SophieRxx: indeed!
[6:06] <Triffid_Hunter> dividedbyzer0: I rarely require the immediacy and intrusiveness of yanking a person's attention from whatever it is they're doing
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[6:06] <SophieRxx> [Saint]: That's awesome
[6:06] <[Saint]> SophieRxx: Indeed.
[6:07] <SophieRxx> I have to work with people 8 hours a day, I enjoy the moment where I don't need to talk to them anymore.
[6:07] <dividedbyzer0> Ah.
[6:07] <[Saint]> the ability to touchtype is one of the downsides of touchscreens.
[6:07] <[Saint]> errr, inability
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[6:07] <JakeSays> SophieRxx: i totally agree
[6:08] <JakeSays> people at work just don't understand i have no desire to socialize with them
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[6:08] <SophieRxx> I've just decided I need a new job...
[6:08] <JakeSays> SophieRxx: what do you do currently?
[6:08] <SophieRxx> With feelings like that it can NOT be safe giving me a nailgun.
[6:08] <SophieRxx> I make windows.
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[6:09] <[Saint]> Ohhhhhh.... chicks and potentially deadly hand tools.
[6:09] <[Saint]> MmmmmmmHmmmmm.
[6:09] <JakeSays> SophieRxx: oh i figured it was something tech related
[6:10] <SophieRxx> I wish.
[6:10] <SophieRxx> The most tech thing I use is a adjustable stop.
[6:10] <[Saint]> At least you're doing something constructive, and lasting.
[6:11] <SophieRxx> http://www.mfgnewsweb.com/archives/metalfmg_fabricating_waterjet/apr12/pics/TigerStop-SawGear.jpg
[6:11] <SophieRxx> pretty much
[6:11] <[Saint]> Who cares 20 years from now about that guy that helped them get their internet working?
[6:11] <JakeSays> i want a 3d printer
[6:11] <[Saint]> But, you windows will still be doing their job.
[6:12] <[Saint]> Keeping the weather out, and letting the light in.
[6:12] <SophieRxx> True.
[6:12] <[Saint]> Working with tech is a very low-appreciation job.
[6:12] <SophieRxx> But I wouldn't get splinters in a tech job.
[6:12] <[Saint]> :)
[6:12] <SophieRxx> or covered in glue.
[6:13] <\\Mr_C\\> how do i get rid of this message ? W: GPG error: http://ftp.us.debian.org wheezy Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY AED4B06F473041FA
[6:13] <JakeSays> SophieRxx: yeah but tech has its downsides
[6:13] <RiXtEr> \\Mr_C\\, souns like a self added repo...
[6:13] <RiXtEr> *sounds.
[6:13] <[Saint]> I think the main issue for working with tech is friends and family that now think you're obligated to fix their issues at their whim.
[6:14] <SophieRxx> Good point.
[6:14] <JakeSays> i'm almost totally burned out
[6:14] <SophieRxx> Nobody has asked me to make a window for them.
[6:14] <[Saint]> ...I bet no on calls you up at midnight because their window won't open anymore :)
[6:14] <[Saint]> hahaha - snap.
[6:14] <JakeSays> [Saint]: you just need to train family/friends better. mine know not to expect anything from me.
[6:15] <SophieRxx> We had somebody knock over some windows last month, fell like dominoes. ??10,000 worth of dominoes.
[6:15] <SophieRxx> Oops.
[6:15] <JakeSays> wow
[6:15] <geordie> nice
[6:15] <[Saint]> Heeeehehe - nice.
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[6:15] <JakeSays> SophieRxx: how many windows?
[6:15] <SophieRxx> About 20
[6:15] <SophieRxx> Various sizes.
[6:16] <JakeSays> they must be expensive windows
[6:16] <hybr1d8> come on - how could people be talking about problems with 'windows' for soo long without the obligatory suggestion to use linux instead :P
[6:16] <hybr1d8> he he
[6:16] <JakeSays> windows are superior.
[6:16] <Viper-7> [Saint]: there were videos of that tactile feedback stuff in prototype like 5 or 6 years ago, that was a full 2d 'screen' where you could determine height of each pixel (like 160x120 or such on a tablet) - they used it to make round edged wheels to run your finger around and such
[6:16] <Viper-7> far better than those specifically placed buttons
[6:16] <Viper-7> placed & shaped
[6:17] <[Saint]> Viper-7: the Tactus video doesn't do it justice, but, they're not fixed position.
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[6:17] <[Saint]> the size, shape, position is all configurable.
[6:17] <Viper-7> hmm
[6:18] <SophieRxx> http://i47.tinypic.com/2qvcgnt.jpg about ??900
[6:18] <SophieRxx> :o
[6:18] <Viper-7> not what it looked like :P
[6:18] <Viper-7> lol
[6:18] <JakeSays> nice window - i'll take two
[6:18] <Viper-7> yeah why not
[6:19] <Viper-7> those carpenters worked hard during those 30 minutes!
[6:19] <Viper-7> they deserve reward
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[6:19] <SophieRxx> I make about 120 windows a day.
[6:19] <SophieRxx> If things go smoothly.
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[6:19] <Viper-7> 8 pane windows with doors?
[6:20] <\\Mr_C\\> pksato you there?
[6:20] <Viper-7> carved nicely enough to charge crazy amounts of money for
[6:21] <SophieRxx> I don't do the door bits, largest windows we usually do is 5 pane
[6:21] <SophieRxx> sometimes 6
[6:23] <SophieRxx> I think the largest is 1350mm high by 2228mm wide, 5 pane.
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[6:23] <SophieRxx> lol sorry
[6:24] <[Saint]> No, no problem :)
[6:24] <[Saint]> Just playing.
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[6:25] <JakeSays> man, i wonder if cross compiling for the pi is possible
[6:25] <JakeSays> cuz this is going to take forever
[6:25] <[Saint]> Of course it is.
[6:25] <SophieRxx> I've just reminded myself I'm at work tomorrow, brilliant.
[6:26] <JakeSays> [Saint]: i seem to recall reading somewhere that it wasnt, which didnt seem right
[6:26] <Triffid_Hunter> JakeSays: yeah definitely, just need appropriate armhf toolchain
[6:26] <JakeSays> ah ok. cool.
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[6:26] <[Saint]> JakeSays: whoever said so had no idea what they were talking about.
[6:26] <[Saint]> Welcome to the Internet :)
[6:26] <Triffid_Hunter> JakeSays: although fwiw I compiled ffmpeg and omxplayer on my pi recently, can't have taken more than an hour so not too bad
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[6:27] <[Saint]> Triffid_Hunter: probably would've taken a few minutes on any reasonably modern desktop/laptop. :)
[6:27] <JakeSays> [Saint]: actually it was the guys who did raspian who said it wasnt possible. they had to use arm based boards to create the distro
[6:27] <Triffid_Hunter> [Saint]: sure, but doing it on the pi took less time than setting up the cross toolchain in the first place so worked out well enough for a one-off :)
[6:27] <JakeSays> but that might just be an issue when building the entire os. i dunno.
[6:27] <[Saint]> A great example is compiling the kernel - it takes me about 40 seconds to compile on my desktop. Over an hour on the Pi.
[6:28] <Triffid_Hunter> [Saint]: I wonder how much of that is I/O limited rather than cpu
[6:28] <[Saint]> "setting up the cross toolchain" should only take as long as it takes to download the thing.
[6:28] <JakeSays> which toolchain is the one to use?
[6:29] <[Saint]> JakeSays: what is the host OS?
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[6:30] <[Saint]> if you're on debian/ubuntu: gcc-arm-linux-gnueabi
[6:30] <[Saint]> others: use the raspberry pi specific toolchain from their repo
[6:30] <JakeSays> um, windows? :)
[6:31] <[Saint]> Nope.
[6:31] <Triffid_Hunter> JakeSays: windows is hard mode
[6:31] <Triffid_Hunter> JakeSays: it is possible with cygwin and similar but is a massive pita
[6:31] <JakeSays> nah it'll be ubuntu 10.04 which is what i use for android work
[6:32] <[Saint]> apt-get install gcc-arm-linux-gnueabi
[6:32] <[Saint]> then pass the location to $PATH
[6:32] <SophieRxx> okay im going to try and sleep again, 5:30am. Catch you later o/
[6:32] <[Saint]> o/
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[6:32] <JakeSays> sleep well SophieRxx
[6:33] <[Saint]> JakeSays: see http://elinux.org/RPi_Kernel_Compilation and just mentally remove all the sections specific to compiling the kernel.
[6:33] <[Saint]> replace that with <thing you want to cross-compile>
[6:33] <JakeSays> [Saint]: ok cool. i
[6:34] <JakeSays> i'll try it when i get my vm host running again
[6:34] <[Saint]> you'd be able to do this without issue with a LiveCD/DVD/USB
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[6:35] <JakeSays> i'd still need a machine to run it
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[7:09] <jroysdon> Is a charger that is rated 5v 2A too much? It's from my Nook Color, but it's the only thing I have over 700mA
[7:09] <\\Mr_C\\> not to much
[7:09] <\\Mr_C\\> more the better
[7:09] <\\Mr_C\\> its the volts that you dont want to go over
[7:09] <jroysdon> right
[7:10] <\\Mr_C\\> 9 billiam amp wouldnt matter
[7:10] <\\Mr_C\\> billion
[7:10] <jroysdon> I'm going to order some adafruit adapters. From what I've been reading/watching, they are really solid
[7:10] <jroysdon> https://www.adafruit.com/products/501
[7:10] <\\Mr_C\\> as long as its not over 5 volts
[7:11] <Triffid_Hunter> jroysdon: I have a 2.5A tablet charger on my pi, works perfectly
[7:12] <jroysdon> right
[7:12] <Triffid_Hunter> I run it into the GPIO port instead of the uUSB jack
[7:12] <jroysdon> problem I'm hearing about is stuff that is 5v with no load, but then drops to 4.85v when on the Pi, and even more with usb load
[7:12] <jroysdon> Triffid_Hunter, just easier to hook up?
[7:12] <\\Mr_C\\> jroysdon
[7:12] <[Saint]> 4.85 is perfectly fine.
[7:12] <\\Mr_C\\> i wouldnt buy those
[7:12] <\\Mr_C\\> buy your own from ebay
[7:12] <\\Mr_C\\> that greater
[7:12] <\\Mr_C\\> 2 amps or more
[7:12] <Triffid_Hunter> jroysdon: as an EE, I don't think the contacts in the microUSB are large enough to reliably carry 1A
[7:13] <[Saint]> those adafruit PSUs are...well, you're buying a logo.
[7:13] <[Saint]> that's all.
[7:13] <jroysdon> Triffid_Hunter, really?
[7:13] <Triffid_Hunter> jroysdon: http://triffid-hunter.no-ip.info/101_0059.JPG <-- a pic of how mine is hooked up. WARNING: if you plug it into the wrong pins you WILL fry your rpi
[7:13] <[Saint]> they're more than apt.
[7:13] <jroysdon> [Saint], well, a logo, yes, but I would hope for a known quality, vs. ebay where who knows what you get
[7:13] <jroysdon> Triffid_Hunter, yup, clearly the right pins are important
[7:13] <Triffid_Hunter> jroysdon: also there are a LOT of rather poor usb cables out there.. they work fine for charging phones because the phone can simply charge a bit slower
[7:14] <jroysdon> right
[7:14] <Triffid_Hunter> jroysdon: but the rpi is notoriously sensitive to power quality
[7:15] <jroysdon> it's too bad it can't report on the current power levels
[7:15] <jroysdon> might help troubleshooting a bit
[7:15] <[Saint]> Triffid_Hunter: you've mentioned this before - and at that time I mentioned the flaw in your logic as well. The pins in the microUSB socket are *far* larger than the taces they connect to - and the GPIO connects to the same traces.
[7:15] <jroysdon> (probably too much hardware to do that)
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[7:15] <[Saint]> tl;dr: the pins in microUSB are more than apt.
[7:15] <\\Mr_C\\> http://www.ebay.com/itm/UMA-2-0-Amp-USB-Wall-Travel-Charger-for-Apple-iPad-iPad-2-Black-/161004109125?pt=US_Tablet_eReader_Cases_Covers_Keyboard_Folios&hash=item257c97bd45
[7:15] <\\Mr_C\\> there is a good one
[7:16] <jroysdon> US$14? Seems steep
[7:16] <Triffid_Hunter> [Saint]: I'm not worried about the traces.. sliding contacts have this thing called hot-spotting
[7:16] <[Saint]> You are worried about them - do you want me to quote you saying so? :)
[7:16] <\\Mr_C\\> ok, i will find something cheaper
[7:16] <\\Mr_C\\> moment...
[7:17] <[Saint]> I'm also willing to bet that the area of contact on microUSB vs GPIO is negligible.
[7:18] <\\Mr_C\\> http://www.ebay.com/itm/5V-DC-2000mA-USB-Wall-Home-Charger-Supply-MP3-MP4-Phone-US-Plug-High-Quality-/321051646543?pt=Other_MP3_Player_Accessories&hash=item4ac02b5a4f
[7:18] <\\Mr_C\\> how is that?
[7:18] <jroysdon> I'll look. How about this? http://www.ebay.com/itm/USB-AC-Wall-Charger-for-Apple-iPad-2-Gen-2nd-US-Plug-5-1V-2-1AMP-output-/280824815853?pt=US_Tablet_eReader_Chargers_Sync_Cables&hash=item416276a0ed
[7:19] <[Saint]> 5V1A - that's all. Anything that does that will work.
[7:19] <[Saint]> There's no point in comparing various slightly different versions of exactly the same thing.
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[7:20] <Triffid_Hunter> must remember chinese 1A is anyone else's 600mA, so get a 2A one if you're going cheap
[7:20] <[Saint]> It just needs to supply between 4.75 and 5.25V at 1A+, that's all.
[7:20] <\\Mr_C\\> china has some 1 amps for 99 cents
[7:20] <jroysdon> Triffid_Hunter, right, that's my point
[7:20] <[Saint]> Triffid_Hunter: not only is that incredibly racist - its no way to make any comparisons.
[7:21] <jroysdon> [Saint], right, but the point is that it needs to be consistent with ~5V and not drop
[7:21] <[Saint]> 1A is 1A.
[7:21] <[Saint]> jroysdon: correct - and a review isn't going to tell you that.
[7:21] <[Saint]> Nor is the product description.
[7:22] <jroysdon> right, but a brand that knows they are selling to Pi users, well, that's something worth going through Adafruit for to me
[7:22] <Triffid_Hunter> [Saint]: it's a novel theory, but practice shows otherwise.. I have some decent chargers here which will sipply 1A for weeks, and I have some cheap ones that died within a couple of weeks delivering their rated current
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[7:22] <jroysdon> so, I didn't see any chargers cheaper that Adafruit, and at least they are not flight-by-night
[7:22] <Triffid_Hunter> I have equipment here where the supplied chargers actually melted their own cases in normal use
[7:23] <Triffid_Hunter> jroysdon: yeah go with adafruit then
[7:23] <[Saint]> You can go to a pawn shop and pick up an Apple wall-wart for a few bucks.
[7:23] <[Saint]> this *will* be fine.
[7:23] <jroysdon> yeah, but I want to get a couple dozen, and I don't want to fart around
[7:23] <ladoga> ==
[7:23] <[Saint]> If you want a couple dozen - do yourself a favor and buy a shop PSU I guess.
[7:24] <jroysdon> distributed use, not centralized, but good point
[7:24] <[Saint]> a PC PSU is fine. And who doesn't have a few of those lying around?
[7:25] <Triffid_Hunter> or get a really cheap 12v wall wart and an adjustable LM2596 buck, then you can dial it in yourself to whatever you decide you need
[7:25] <\\Mr_C\\> or you can make your own
[7:25] <jroysdon> I don't have any PC PSU around any more (as of 2 years ago). Went to laptops some time ago
[7:25] <[Saint]> you could easily drive multiple units of one of the 5V rails of a desktop PSu
[7:25] <\\Mr_C\\> find an old 5 volt high amp
[7:25] <\\Mr_C\\> and just snip and tape the end
[7:26] <\\Mr_C\\> cheapest i found was 1.5 amp for 99 cents from china
[7:26] <\\Mr_C\\> for usb
[7:27] <\\Mr_C\\> takes 2-4 weeks for delevery from china
[7:27] <[Saint]> If your laptop/PC doesn't follow USB spec (it almost certainly doesn't) - just use thatwhere you can.
[7:27] <[Saint]> ...people put too much thought into PSUs for raspi.
[7:27] <[Saint]> It doesn't need to be as difficult as some make it sound.
[7:27] <\\Mr_C\\> not me
[7:27] <\\Mr_C\\> i just cut an old 5 volt 2amp
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[7:27] <\\Mr_C\\> and spliced the wires
[7:28] <[Saint]> iPad wall-warts here.
[7:28] <\\Mr_C\\> and soldered a nice little switch on it
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[7:28] <[Saint]> We use normal everyday ATX PSUs in the hackerspace.
[7:29] <\\Mr_C\\> to big to carry around
[7:29] <\\Mr_C\\> although
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[7:29] <\\Mr_C\\> a modified power plug for them would be a nice idea
[7:30] <\\Mr_C\\> some tv's have a usb port on them
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[7:31] <[Saint]> If it follows USB spec (which is apparently disturbingly uncommon), it'll only supply 100mA though.
[7:31] <\\Mr_C\\> oh
[7:32] <dddh> isn't USB hub enough?
[7:32] <[Saint]> Most manufacturers seem to like to pretend that USB spec doesn't exist, though.
[7:32] <\\Mr_C\\> my surge protector has 2 usb ports on it , nut sure what the rating is on it though
[7:32] <[Saint]> dddh: it all depends on whther or not it follows the USB spec - or if it has a "fast charging port".
[7:33] <[Saint]> USB ports are *supposed* to supply as little power as possible until the device enumerates and tells the host its power requirements.
[7:34] <[Saint]> a raspi will never do this, so if the HUB/whatever is following USB spec - it'll only supply 100mA
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[7:34] <[Saint]> Fortunately (and, unfortunately) practically no manufacturer follows USB spec.
[7:35] <dddh> [Saint]: http://www.ginzzu.com/rus_level5_tab1.php?lang=NAME_ENG&ot=510&group=-1&oid=34&tab_id=-10
[7:35] <dddh> [Saint]: $35 here and they promise 2.5A
[7:36] <[Saint]> see above - it doesn't matter what it promises, if it was following spec, it wouldn't provide that much to a device that didn't enumarate.
[7:36] <dddh> adapter they use http://www.ginzzu.com/rus_level5_tab1.php?lang=NAME_ENG&ot=420&group=-1&oid=23&tab_id=-10
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[7:37] <[Saint]> it almost certainly doesn't follow spec, though. Practically nothing does.
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[7:44] <dddh> but specs say it is ~1000mA
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[7:45] <dddh> not enough to plug something like wireless keyboard and wifi into my RPi's USB
[7:45] <[Saint]> errrr....what?
[7:45] <[Saint]> That's fine.
[7:45] <[Saint]> 1000mA == 1A; which is fine.
[7:46] <[Saint]> 700mA (0.7A) is ok.
[7:46] <dddh> I have a wireless microsoft keyboard 7000
[7:47] <[Saint]> So?
[7:47] <dddh> it doesn't work when I plug 2 flash cards, wifi and wireless adapter
[7:47] <dddh> and sometimes under high load network stops working too
[7:48] <jroysdon> 700mA is not fine. I've seen a ton of lock-ups
[7:48] <jroysdon> (as well as network problems, where ping works, but keyboard is toast, ssh is toast)
[7:48] <[Saint]> I was going from "[17:45:04] <dddh> not enough to plug something like wireless keyboard and wifi into my RPi's USB" in which case 700mA is fine.
[7:48] <jroysdon> not a single problem with this 2mA adapter now
[7:48] <[Saint]> he later added additional requirements to this
[7:49] <jroysdon> I disagree from my experience the last two days that 700mA is enough
[7:49] <jroysdon> or, from adapters claiming 700mA
[7:50] <[Saint]> Well - I'm talking to you now, right? :)
[7:50] <jroysdon> (name brand samsung, motorola stuff too)
[7:50] <Viper-7> what size SD do you need for the pi?
[7:50] <[Saint]> this Pi is currently running off my cellphone charger.
[7:50] <jroysdon> mine ran off a cellphone charger as well
[7:50] <[Saint]> 700mA. wireless keyboard and wifi dongle inclusive.
[7:50] <jroysdon> until I started to put more load on it
[7:50] <jroysdon> (cpu load, I should say)
[7:51] <[Saint]> network dropping under high load isn't a power issue usually.
[7:51] <jroysdon> vnc, flash playing, larger external wifi (alfa), etc.
[7:51] <jroysdon> I'm guessing the sshd had a problem, but I cannot verify as I had no remote access into it
[7:51] <[Saint]> The real issue with network dropping out under high load is exhausting the stack.
[7:51] <jroysdon> but it has not occurred since I replaced the 700mA power source
[7:51] <jroysdon> (and I've been running the CPU hard now in testing)
[7:51] <a5m0> does anyone have a link to a curent-ish virtual machine for r-pi, like vmware or virtualbox?
[7:52] <[Saint]> I suspect that PSU couldn't supply 700ma *stable*
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[7:52] <jroysdon> I agree
[7:52] <[Saint]> a5m0: qemu
[7:53] <Triffid_Hunter> jroysdon: ssh is relatively cpu intensive in short bursts
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[7:53] <jroysdon> oh, and is anyone else adding ipv6 into their mix? it should not matter, but that is another factor I've changed in the last 2 days
[7:53] <Viper-7> 8gb enough?
[7:53] <[Saint]> But, yeah - network dropout on high load is usually because you've exhausted the stack.
[7:54] <[Saint]> not due to power issues.
[7:54] <jroysdon> Viper-7, 2gb is really enough, as you can have remote storage
[7:54] <[Saint]> 32MB is enough. :)
[7:54] <jroysdon> [Saint], 'cept I've had no problems since I changed the PSU
[7:54] <Viper-7> well yeah i plan on having usb storage attached anyway
[7:54] <Viper-7> i mean for raspbian
[7:54] <jroysdon> then 2gb is fine
[7:54] <Viper-7> lol k
[7:54] <jroysdon> 2gb is the min requirement
[7:55] <Viper-7> well half-length microsd to sd adapters are $3.50 delivered
[7:55] <[Saint]> Well - there's nothing stopping you from having / mounted elsewhere.
[7:55] <[Saint]> 32MB is the bare minimum.
[7:55] <Viper-7> 4gb cards are $4.30
[7:55] <jroysdon> Viper-7, Class is important from what I've read. You want Class 4, I believe, at a minimum
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[7:55] <Viper-7> 8gb cards are $5.50
[7:55] <Viper-7> i dont care about performance
[7:56] <jroysdon> [Saint], for the stock Raspbian image, I believe it's 2gb
[7:56] <[Saint]> jroysdon: did you read what I wrote?
[7:56] <[Saint]> The only thing you actually need on the sdcard is /boot
[7:56] <Viper-7> i figure an 8gb card with 2gb of data will have more blocks to discard and keep working for longer
[7:56] <[Saint]> everything else can be mounted elsewhere.
[7:56] <Viper-7> 32gb is $15 heh
[7:57] <Viper-7> 'class 10'
[8:00] <jroysdon> anyway, again, high network, cpu and gpu load, and no problems for the last 2 hours
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[8:11] <Viper-7> 32gb class 10 micro sd
[8:11] <Viper-7> $11.38
[8:11] <Viper-7> i'll get two :P
[8:13] <jroysdon> yeah, I think I got some from Radio Shack for that price (on sale, and I was in a hurry to get something as my first RPis came in that day)
[8:13] <gordonDrogon> morning.
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[8:16] <ParkerR> Viper-7, Link?
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[8:31] <jroysdon> so watching more closely, I see when I have network issues, I get timeouts, then ping times of: 2306ms, 1350ms, 382ms, 6.62ms (and stays at this low number as is normal, until then next problem)
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[8:34] <Coffe> jroysdon: doing lots of other USB activites at the same time ?
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[8:35] <jroysdon> wifi usb, but I would not say it is a lot
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[8:35] <jroysdon> vnc in/out, html5 video stream from youtube
[8:35] <jroysdon> (vnc is not of the youtube stream)
[8:35] <jroysdon> ssh
[8:36] <jroysdon> I should test with wired ethernet, but it is not nearby right now
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[9:52] <linuxstb> What transfer speeds do people get with an 802.11n USB adapter with a 802.11n router? I've just got a 802.11g router (but an n usb adapter), and am getting about 2.2MB/s with scp. I'm wondering if people can get higher with an N router.
[9:55] <[Saint]> I can pull down around 4MB+/s with nothing but wireless G stuffs.
[9:55] <[Saint]> (well, B,G,N router and G dongle)
[9:59] <maumushi> hi all, do you leave yours rasberry always on? i got new one and i'm a bit worried letting on all the time
[9:59] <[Saint]> worried why?
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[10:00] <[Saint]> I'm sure you leave your cellphone on 24/7 - this thing is basically a cellphone.
[10:00] <[Saint]> think of it that way.
[10:00] <gordonDrogon> I think my Pi's have been on 24/7 since I got them - apart from when I've taken them out to demos, etc.
[10:01] <nid0> ditto, both of mine've been on for basically a year
[10:01] <[Saint]> In fact, it fares a lot better than a cellphone I guess - since the Pi actually has a reasonable chance of ambient cooling.
[10:01] <[Saint]> But, anyway, yeah - worry not.
[10:02] <maumushi> worried about temperature, it's hot
[10:02] <[Saint]> Don't.
[10:02] <maumushi> ok! i will not
[10:02] <[Saint]> It is rated from -40C to 85C
[10:02] <Jck_true> Mine has lived since early december - And it's overclocked - Ducttaped inside the Farnell cardboard box it came in
[10:02] <[Saint]> it'll be fine.
[10:03] <[Saint]> The Pi will turn itself off if it gets past 85C anyway - so, you're fine.
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[10:03] <maumushi> that's good, i didn't know
[10:03] <Jck_true> Eulers birthday!
[10:03] <[Saint]> ...for 4 more hours.
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[10:05] <maumushi> i think pi is the best buy i've done in a time! i'm using like a ssh gateway and xmbc media server when i'm at home
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[10:09] <gordonDrogon> [Saint], it won't turn itself off, but it will throttle the clock-speed back.
[10:10] <[Saint]> Hummm...is 90C the power-down limit?
[10:10] <gordonDrogon> I wasn't aware of any power-down mechanism.
[10:10] <[Saint]> This SoC indeed has one - I'd be surprised if it were disabled.
[10:11] <[Saint]> Who wants to put their Pi in the oven for science?
[10:11] <[Saint]> :)
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[10:12] <vibram> ^^
[10:13] <gordonDrogon> my oven's currently at 220C ...
[10:13] <gordonDrogon> or it wil lbe for the next 30 seconds.
[10:13] <gordonDrogon> today is bread day.
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[10:16] <Crenn-NAS> gordonDrogon: White, wholemeal or multigrain?
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[10:16] <[Saint]> ...racist.
[10:17] <Crenn-NAS> Because I didn't mention sourdough, rye or many other types of bread?
[10:18] <[Saint]> Yes?
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[10:19] <gordonDrogon> Crenn-NAS, it's sourdough with unbleached white flour.
[10:20] <Jck_true> gordonDrogon: How much do you bake? You sure all that white bread is healthy?
[10:20] <gordonDrogon> often I use a 3-seed malted wholemeal flour, but I was given a bag of this stuff for free...
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[10:20] <gordonDrogon> Jck_true, one loaf a week. why do you think it's unhealthy?
[10:21] <Jck_true> One loaf only?
[10:21] <Jck_true> You seem to be baking every day on here :D
[10:21] <gordonDrogon> mostly. sometimes 2. sometimes I sell it.
[10:21] <[Saint]> probably one of the "bleached flour is Satan" nutbags :)
[10:21] <gordonDrogon> last week I did a lot of baking - cakes, scones, etc. for a bit afternonon tea party on Saturday.
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[10:22] <Jck_true> Alright :) No worries
[10:22] <[Saint]> Bleached flour is one of the last things you need to worry about in store-brought bread.
[10:22] <[Saint]> there's plenty of other scary things in there.
[10:22] <gordonDrogon> [Saint], me? not really, although I source my flour from local mills, so it's mostly english flour and mostly (but not always) organic.
[10:22] <[Saint]> gordonDrogon: Not you, no.
[10:22] <gordonDrogon> the good stuff has some canadian wheat in it to improve the protein & gluten.
[10:22] <[Saint]> 'twas in response to: [20:20:50] <gordonDrogon> Jck_true, one loaf a week. why do you think it's unhealthy?
[10:23] <neilr> mmmm, scones. Just the thing with a nice cup of tea.
[10:23] <gordonDrogon> oh - a lot of people whine about the white vs. wholemeal flour thing.
[10:23] <[Saint]> Indeed.
[10:23] <gordonDrogon> wholemeal flour is nice, but white just makes better bread.
[10:24] <[Saint]> It does, yes.
[10:24] <Jck_true> Gotten so bad here you can barely buy white bread
[10:24] <gordonDrogon> I keep the sourdough going by making a loaf once a week.
[10:24] <neilr> At the risk of getting us all banned when we descend into argument, how do you pronounce 'scone' then? As in stone?
[10:24] <[Saint]> as in "on"
[10:24] <gordonDrogon> when it's scone, it's scone!
[10:24] <Jck_true> as "skone"
[10:25] <neilr> We have endless discussions about it in our house, as my wife is a Northerner :)
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[10:25] <gordonDrogon> although being scottish, I sometimes say skoan ...
[10:25] <neilr> Well, not quite endless
[10:25] <gordonDrogon> brb
[10:25] <neilr> My life hasn't yet descended to that level
[10:25] * [Saint] says skon
[10:25] <[Saint]> this seems to be the approved NZ pronunciation
[10:25] <neilr> It's a bit of a North/South thing in the UK
[10:26] <neilr> I'm a soft Southerner. So 'scone' as in 'cone' and 'phone' for me.
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[10:27] <gordonDrogon> :)
[10:27] <[Saint]> How does your wife/SO cope with you being a soft southerner?
[10:27] * cccy_RegeaneWolf is now known as cccyRegeaneWolfe
[10:27] <[Saint]> ...shack up with a hard northerner?
[10:27] <neilr> She tells me how I should cope :)
[10:27] <gordonDrogon> bread is out. it has slightly over-proved, so it's not the best shape, however.
[10:27] <gordonDrogon> this white flour I've got make the starter a bit more lively...
[10:28] <Jck_true> northern monkeys southern fairies
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[10:28] <gordonDrogon> it's from this place: http://www.stoatesflour.co.uk/ "Stoats" - great name!
[10:28] * [Saint] loves how being in NZ means that he is just British enough to think that you all sound goofy :)
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[10:30] <ladoga> white bread...yuck
[10:30] <gordonDrogon> here we go: http://unicorn.drogon.net/sourdough2.jpg
[10:31] <neilr> Oooh, I've got a hankering for toast now.
[10:31] <[Saint]> All hail the one true loaf!
[10:31] * ladoga likes 100% rye sourdough, no yeast
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[10:31] <ladoga> only salt, rye and water
[10:31] <[Saint]> no *added* yeast.
[10:32] <[Saint]> there will be yeast. It is unavoidable.
[10:32] <ladoga> yes
[10:32] <[Saint]> ...unless you're baking in the Arctic.
[10:32] <[Saint]> or, inside a volcano.
[10:32] <neilr> Good looking loaf :) We should have a #raspberrypi 'hidden talents' competition. Only problem is that mine is so well hidden I've not found it yet.
[10:32] <gordonDrogon> ladoga, sourdough HAS yeat.
[10:32] <gordonDrogon> yeast too.
[10:32] <ladoga> finland:) but bacteria culture is used
[10:33] <gordonDrogon> if anyone in the UK tries to sell sourdough as yeast-free, they can be put in jail.
[10:33] <ladoga> i think its originally made from sourmilk
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[10:33] <gordonDrogon> sourdough culture has a mixture of yeats and bacteria.
[10:33] <gordonDrogon> why can't I spell today.
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[10:36] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/IMAG0609.jpg <- Part of what I baked for Saturdays thing.
[10:36] <gordonDrogon> I didn't do the big cake in the middle.
[10:37] <nid0> the cupcakes look great
[10:37] <gordonDrogon> forgot to take my proper camera, so just crappy phone photos.
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[10:39] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/cupcakes.jpg
[10:39] <Spiffy> CAKE!!
[10:39] <gordonDrogon> wifey did the decorations on those, I just baked them.
[10:39] <gordonDrogon> she's better at decorating them than me.
[10:41] <maumushi> it's say: "Irssi: Loaded script trackbar" ... so it should work
[10:41] <Spiffy> I am good at eating cake
[10:41] <Spiffy> Lots, and lots of cake
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[10:42] <gordonDrogon> Spiffy, who isn't... :)
[10:42] <gordonDrogon> actually my mother in-law isn't - unless it's gluten free.
[10:42] <[Saint]> maumushi: would you like to try forming a proper sentence?
[10:42] <[Saint]> Or, providing us with the required context?
[10:43] <shiftplusone> [Saint], English isn't everyone's first language.
[10:43] <[Saint]> Geee...really?
[10:44] <maumushi> sorry .... i've confuse window :(
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[10:47] <maumushi> gordonDrogon: my like to your mother in law... i also need to eat gluten free
[10:47] <BlueMint> When using flashnul to write the image to the SD card, it freezes on some certain parts. WOuld this be my card reader?
[10:49] <gordonDrogon> maumushi, lots of choices these days and some good gluten-free flour substitutes for cakes, etc.
[10:49] <Spiffy> Cake is cake. And I eat to much of it
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[10:50] <maumushi> gordonDrogon: yes, but the wrost is still bread and pizza but the're getting better
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[10:50] <steveccc> is anyone here using get_iplayer - mine was working fine but is now failing to download programs - are everyone elses failing now too>
[10:50] <steveccc> \
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[10:55] <gordonDrogon> maumushi, I live in a small town but once a week the local fish & chip shop have a gluten-free day when all their fish is battered with gluten free batter.
[10:55] <gordonDrogon> steveccc, not used it for some time now.
[10:55] <ladoga> gordonDrogon: texture of finnish rye bread is like this http://farm1.staticflickr.com/37/104797454_4fc24ed152_z.jpg it's pretty dense, not fluffy at all and it's very sour
[10:56] <steveccc> gordondrogon: i dont suppose you are in front of a console to give it a quick try for me are you?
[10:56] <ladoga> i think in russia they also eat something similar..maybe with added potato flour though
[10:57] <ladoga> goes very well woth sourcream and caviar/roe
[10:57] <gordonDrogon> steveccc, I only have it on my desktop, not a Pi..
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[10:58] <steveccc> gordondrogon: well that would be enough - just wanted to see if the bbc are blocking it or if its my software with a fault
[10:58] <shiftplusone> ladoga, yup, we have that sort of thing in Russia.
[10:58] <gordonDrogon> steveccc, seems fine - I can grab a program ok.
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[10:59] <steveccc> gordondrogon: oh ok - I downloaded one a few weeks ago and not touched anything since but now is saying failing to get the streams down
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[10:59] <maumushi> gordonDrogon: i cannot complain i live in a big town and here i find a lot of gluten free product; in other country is not so simple .... but i think we're going a bit of topic and don't know the use of thi channel ;)
[10:59] <gordonDrogon> steveccc, not sure what to suggest then..
[11:00] <steveccc> gordondrogon: no problem - thanks for trying - at least if i know others are working then I know I am not investigating for no reason
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[11:07] <gordonDrogon> ladoga, http://unicorn.drogon.net/sourdough.jpg <- photo of my sourdough made with the 3-seed malted wholemeal flour - I'm not a great fan of rye flour myself though.
[11:07] <gordonDrogon> maumushi, well Raspberry Pi ... it's hard to not talk about food with a name like that ;-)
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[11:08] <steveccc> gordondrogon: just in case you have the same problem it would appear doing get_iplayer -g id doesnt work but doing --get id does work
[11:09] <maumushi> yesss and i'ts approaching lunch time for me
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[11:10] <gordonDrogon> steveccc, Ah, I used --get nnn ... just checked -g nnn worked...
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[11:11] <steveccc> weird - may have bad install but doesnt matter - long as --get worked then thats fine with me
[11:11] <gordonDrogon> I have v2.82 - possibly an older version?
[11:12] <steveccc> no i have that one too
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[11:30] <BlueMint> When I plug in my SD after correctly mounting the image onto it, the RPi only shows a red LED. What does that mean?
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[11:31] <gordonDrogon> BlueMint, did you get a blip of green when you powere it up?
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[11:31] <gordonDrogon> brb coffee & warm bread time..
[11:31] <Triffid_Hunter> BlueMint: got ethernet plugged in?
[11:31] <Triffid_Hunter> BlueMint: or hdmi?
[11:32] <BlueMint> gordonDrogon, no. But on closer inspection the green LED is let up so so so faintly in one little speck
[11:32] <BlueMint> I have HDMI plugged in?
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[11:38] <steveccc> has anyone swapped between the previous version pi and the new one - is there much noticeable difference
[11:40] <dddh> steveccc: did you rpi-update?
[11:40] <steveccc> dddh: I dont have an issue - I have the old hardware version of the pi and I believe the new one has been improved and just wondered whether its noticeable and hence worth the upgrade
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[11:42] <[Saint]> I wouldn't really call it an upgrade.
[11:42] <BurtyB> or new ;)
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[11:44] <derjanni> Good day everybody!
[11:44] <derjanni> is mono still broken on wheezy?
[11:44] <[Saint]> Was it ever? Or - do you mean soft float vs. hard float?
[11:44] <derjanni> yes
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[11:45] <[Saint]> ...to which? There's two questions there.
[11:45] <derjanni> I keep getting a NullReferenceException when starting it
[11:45] <dddh> I wish it was as fast as my desktop ;(
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[11:45] <derjanni> get_DefaultTargetRuntime
[11:45] <derjanni> ^ this is where it causes it
[11:46] <[Saint]> For reference. Mono is not "broken".
[11:46] <dddh> steveccc: 256MB of ram?
[11:46] <derjanni> i keep getting this error and someone said it is here: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=7631
[11:47] <steveccc> dddh: yes I believe it does have double ram - not sure if the processor is any quicker
[11:47] <[Saint]> You can either A: use the soft-float version of raspbian, or B: compile your own version of mono.
[11:47] <jelly1> hehe mono
[11:47] <[Saint]> those are basically your only choices.
[11:47] <shiftplusone> Hm, can a 1N4148 be used in place of a 1N4001 in a simple LM317 circuit?
[11:48] <derjanni> will there be any hardfloat version soon?
[11:48] <derjanni> my mono apps I developed under x86_64 suse work fine
[11:48] <[Saint]> Ask them.
[11:48] * jelly1 wonders why people still use mono
[11:49] <derjanni> @jelly1 *still* ?
[11:49] <[Saint]> Yep. Still.
[11:49] <jelly1> still or . why
[11:49] <derjanni> it is faster than java if you want a language similar to java
[11:49] <jelly1> is it though
[11:50] <jelly1> derjanni: maybe on windows, but with mono too?
[11:50] <derjanni> ok , let me take that back
[11:50] <derjanni> it is more integrated with gtk
[11:50] <jelly1> hehe
[11:50] <jelly1> I see
[11:50] <derjanni> you can use system libs better than with java
[11:50] <derjanni> Python is an alternative, but most people dont like the language itself
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[11:50] <jelly1> I just wouldn't use mono, since I don't know how releases it and have more trust in the development of python
[11:50] <derjanni> cpp is too strict
[11:50] <[Saint]> I HATE python.
[11:51] <jelly1> but I am biased
[11:51] <jelly1> :)
[11:51] <[Saint]> ...but I'll take it over mono any day.
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[11:51] <jelly1> cpp is nice, rust is better
[11:51] <jelly1> but it suprises me that mono runs on arm
[11:51] <derjanni> i have not problem with python, but the syntax is not for me
[11:52] <derjanni> which language other than python and cpp do u prefer on the pi?
[11:52] <BurtyB> bash
[11:52] <jelly1> haha
[11:52] <jelly1> derjanni: C
[11:52] <[Saint]> ARM ASM
[11:52] <jelly1> well imo the language shouldn't be a problem on the Pi
[11:52] <[Saint]> go low level or go home :P
[11:52] <jelly1> pfft
[11:53] <derjanni> for teh ow level lulz?
[11:53] <derjanni> I want to code fast and I am fat + lazy
[11:54] <derjanni> 1hand pizza + 1hand code
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[11:54] <steveccc> is it worth upgrading from a 128mb ram pi to a 256mb ram pi?
[11:54] <[Saint]> errr...you mean 256/512?
[11:54] * derjanni is participating using irssi on his pi via ssh
[11:55] <jelly1> steveccc: depends on the usage
[11:55] <jelly1> my pi never uses that much ram
[11:55] <gadgetoid> steveccc: depends what you do with it, and whether or not you'd use two Pi's
[11:55] <gadgetoid> I host my blog from a 256mb version
[11:55] <jelly1> derjanni: http://benchmarksgame.alioth.debian.org/u64q/benchmark.php?test=all&lang=csharp&lang2=java :P
[11:55] <steveccc> is the ram the only difference between the two pi's?
[11:55] * maumushi toooo is participating using irssi on his pi via ssh :) via ssh
[11:55] <[Saint]> steveccc: no.
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[11:55] <KayGridley> Hi all
[11:55] <steveccc> [saint]: what else is different?
[11:56] <[Saint]> Model A has one USb port and no network, model B has 2 ports and onboard network
[11:56] <gadgetoid> Sure we're not talking about Rev 1/2 of the Model B here?
[11:57] <jelly1> nope :p
[11:57] <steveccc> I am talking abiout rev 1 and 2 of Model b I believe - I have the one with 2 usb ports and a ethernet port and I believe they improved it - just working out if its worth having
[11:57] <KayGridley> If I can get my pi connecting wirelessly to a network, but then have problems turning it into an AP, that doesn't really sound like a driver issue does it?
[11:58] <gadgetoid> steveccc: Two Pi's is worth having!
[11:58] <[Saint]> steveccc: it is likely that you will see no real improvement
[11:58] <steveccc> gadgetoid: while I dont disagree - it wasnt really the point of my question
[11:59] <[Saint]> it won't run any faster, you won't magically get the girl or win the race...it just has slightly more RAM :)
[11:59] <steveccc> [saint]: ok thanks - I presume the ability to work of cards higher than 32gb is not included or is this purely a software thing
[11:59] <derjanni> jelly1: which java can I run on hardfloat?
[11:59] <gadgetoid> steveccc: Whether or not a rev2 is worth having over a rev1 depends entirely on what you plan to do with it
[11:59] <jelly1> derjanni: the usual?
[11:59] <[Saint]> steveccc: its a "Windows is stupid" thing.
[11:59] <jelly1> derjanni: iirc jre 7 works
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[11:59] <derjanni> oh cool
[11:59] <jelly1> http://pi4j.com/
[12:01] <derjanni> but not the oracle one right?
[12:01] <KayGridley> Ignore my last, I've just spent hours chasing a typo, agh!!
[12:01] <steveccc> gadgetoid: well the current one is just for a ftp machine so I doubt it but was interested in trying one as a media centre
[12:02] <jelly1> derjanni: I think the website explains it
[12:02] <maumushi> i can tell xmbc on model b (512 ram) is great
[12:03] <derjanni> jelly1: pretty cool, thanks!
[12:03] <steveccc> maumushi: do you need to have a wired connection really or is wifi easy to achieve?
[12:04] <KayGridley> Maumushi, I got my pi at lunchtime Friday and had it wireless in about an hour :)
[12:04] <maumushi> for xmbc i use wifi, now with raspbian i'm usig eth
[12:04] <[Saint]> as easy as it is to achieve on anything else.
[12:05] <maumushi> i buyed and adapter, i don't remeber wich, the only problem is that if you unplug the adapter while pi in on it's reset :o
[12:06] <steveccc> maumushi: how hard was it finding a usb wifi stick that worked
[12:06] <[Saint]> that's just because it causes a voltage drop.
[12:06] <[Saint]> plug it in with the unit turned off - all good.
[12:06] <maumushi> easy, put raspberry pi and wifi on google anf you'll find
[12:07] <maumushi> Saint: yes i have to unplug when it's of but it's not a problem really
[12:07] <maumushi> *off
[12:07] <jelly1> http://blog.makezine.com/2013/04/11/10-things-to-connect-to-your-raspberry-pi/ :)
[12:08] * jelly1 has been thinking of getting a nice 20x4 LCD module ;)
[12:08] <jelly1> I wish touchscreen lcd is/was affordable
[12:08] <[Saint]> they are.
[12:08] <[Saint]> $139+shipping for a 10" touchscreen.
[12:08] <maumushi> i think i've buyed the Edimax adapter but i don't remeber well, it's very small
[12:09] <derjanni> Ive got the openJdk-7-jre now, but whats the name of the full JDK pack?
[12:10] <jelly1> [Saint]: that's not cheap :P
[12:10] <[Saint]> derjanni: openjdk-7-jdk
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[12:10] <derjanni> tanks
[12:11] <[Saint]> you'll already have it.
[12:11] <[Saint]> it will be pulled in as a dependency of the jre iirc.
[12:12] <derjanni> he took himself additiona 37meg
[12:12] <derjanni> :-)
[12:13] <derjanni> I dont care - he's got a 32GB c10 sd card
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[12:13] <maumushi> how about differences between class 6 -> 10 sd card?
[12:13] * [Saint] boggles at the masculine/feminine variations of non-english language
[12:14] <[Saint]> maumushi: with today's prices - you should always go Class 10 really.
[12:14] <[Saint]> It is cheap, and you *will* notice a difference.
[12:15] <maumushi> i guess, right now i've class 6 trascendent shipped with raspberry
[12:15] <AlanBell> I am using SLC SD cards now
[12:15] <shiftplusone> maumushi, but to actually answer your question, http://elinux.org/RPi_SD_cards#SD_card_performance
[12:15] <jelly1> did anyone ever get > 20MB/s :P
[12:15] * [Saint] uses Sandisk Extreme Pro cards
[12:15] <[Saint]> 95MB/s read/write
[12:15] <jelly1> [Saint]: but not on the pi
[12:16] <[Saint]> Well - no. But it beats the hide off a standard Class 10 card.
[12:17] <Triffid_Hunter> [Saint]: is that manufacturer claim sequential write or measured? what's the random write performance like?
[12:17] <steveccc> is 32gb sd card still the max size?
[12:17] <gordonDrogon> well that went quite well :) http://unicorn.drogon.net/sourdough3.jpg
[12:18] <jelly1> steveccc: i bet there are 64 gb cards ;)
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[12:18] <[Saint]> Triffid_Hunter: ask Google - I did: http://webtripper.blogspot.co.nz/2012/10/sandisk-ultra-and-sandisk-extreme-pro-8.html
[12:18] <steveccc> jelly1: that work with the pi?
[12:19] <jelly1> steveccc: no clue
[12:19] <[Saint]> ...why wouldn't it?
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[12:20] <steveccc> i thought when I had mine people were saying anything over 32gb wont boot
[12:23] <[Saint]> Well - mine does.
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[12:24] <steveccc> ok thanks - may consider that in the future then. The only thing I wished they had fixed with the new revision would be better power for the usb ports - having to keep pluging in a powered usb hub is a pain
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[12:25] <shiftplusone> steveccc, how long ago was that? There was lots of trouble with some SD cards soon after launch, but they seem to have sorted most of that out.
[12:25] <[Saint]> If you have one of the newer board revisions - you should be able to supply 500mA via USB
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[12:27] <steveccc> I dont have the latest - but it wasnt the first - its a 256mb version. I have a 32gb usb stick and it simple wont work properly but a simple 8gb one will. - I presume its drawing more than 500mA
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[12:28] * [Saint] sincerely doubts this.
[12:28] <Laurenceb> http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3647535&cid=43447555
[12:28] <Laurenceb> http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3647535&cid=43447805
[12:28] <[Saint]> I assume it is drawing more than 140mA - which is the limitation on older board revisions.
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[12:31] <steveccc> quite possibly I am unsure what revision board mine is. I need to rebuild as the os on it is ancient so may just get a new pi and card and then keep my other for testing / playing
[12:32] <[Saint]> WHy not just update the OS?
[12:33] <[Saint]> "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade && sudo wget http://goo.gl/1BOfJ -O /usr/bin/raspi-update && sudo chmod +x /usr/bin/raspi-update && sudo raspi-update"
[12:33] <[Saint]> run that - and your OS will be current.
[12:34] <[Saint]> OS and firmware, I should say.
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[12:44] <NetBat> morning Pi pickers
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[12:50] <derjanni> o_O starting eclipse makes the cpu go max
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[12:53] <gordonDrogon> it's a big lump o' java, isn't it?
[12:54] <derjanni> any lightweight alternatives to eclipse?
[12:55] <shiftplusone> how light?
[12:55] <shiftplusone> There's codeblocks on one end and nano on the other.
[12:56] <derjanni> meadium light ;-)
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[12:56] <derjanni> I need colors + autocomplete
[12:56] <derjanni> thats it
[12:56] <shiftplusone> Don't know about autocomplete, but I like geany.
[12:56] <derjanni> ill got for geany
[12:56] <gordonDrogon> nano/vi/emacs + Makefiles...
[12:57] <gordonDrogon> Heh.. you only need autocomplete when typing in programs in an OO language ;-) serial.print.thins.and.that()
[12:58] <gordonDrogon> printf ("No autocomplete needed here\n") ;-)
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[13:01] <derjanni> Geany is great
[13:01] <derjanni> exactly what I searched for
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[13:06] <shiftplusone> Although I have been using eclipse for my STM32 F4 board, since it integrates nicely with openocd and lets me easily compile and flash the program from windows or linux without messing around with makefiles. No complaints so far. The extra bloat doesn't seem to get in the way too much.
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[13:24] <xrosnight> is SSHD enabled by default on Archlinux for raspberry Pi????
[13:25] <shiftplusone> yes
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[13:25] <xrosnight> shiftplusone: how about dhcpcd?
[13:25] <shiftplusone> yup
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[13:25] <shiftplusone> not sure if it's dhcpcd exactly, but there is a dhcp client
[13:25] <jelly1> sure and dhcpclient
[13:25] <jelly1> just check the repo
[13:25] <Radioslave> Anyone have a moment to answer something extremely basic
[13:26] <jelly1> http://archlinuxarm.org/packages?arch=&search=&page=2&order=repo&sort=asc
[13:26] <jelly1> Radioslave: just ask
[13:26] <xrosnight> shiftplusone: alright. since my two keyboards don't work on archlinux raspberrypi
[13:26] <Radioslave> Basically, trying to install a web browser onto my Pi that will run Monitter.com (a live twitter feed).
[13:26] <Radioslave> At the moment i'm running XBMC
[13:26] <Radioslave> But that doesn't seem to have browser capabilities
[13:27] <jelly1> Radioslave: isn't there an XBMC plugin for it
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[13:27] <Radioslave> For what, Monitter?
[13:27] <jelly1> well xbmc supports rss
[13:27] <Radioslave> There's no web browser in the add ons sections that I can see
[13:27] <xrosnight> i bought the USB hub (5V 3.5A) but didn't work with Raspbmc.
[13:27] <shiftplusone> are you running raspbmc, xbian or openelec?
[13:27] <Radioslave> Just Web Viewer
[13:27] <Radioslave> Raspbmc
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[13:27] <shiftplusone> ok
[13:27] <gadgetoid> Hmm, completely missed the appearance of pi_piper
[13:28] <Radioslave> I'm downloading Raspian now
[13:28] <Radioslave> just in case
[13:28] <maumushi> if you want a text based browser you could use links2 via ssh
[13:28] <Radioslave> Well Ideally not completely texted based
[13:28] <Radioslave> something with some sort of decent skin
[13:28] <Radioslave> If possible to run Monitter as it looks
[13:28] <Radioslave> That'd be perfect
[13:28] * jelly1 would make a xbmc plugin :P
[13:29] <Radioslave> Not sure how to do that :(
[13:29] <Radioslave> And my biggest knob moment here is that I can't figure out where to put plugin folders on the SD
[13:29] <Radioslave> Theres no addon folder
[13:29] <jelly1> Radioslave: ..
[13:29] <jelly1> Radioslave: xbmc has an addon manager
[13:30] <maumushi> you have to pot in your home adn install using xmbc manager
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[13:30] <maumushi> *put
[13:30] <Radioslave> See, getting there is my issue
[13:30] <Radioslave> So I have two folders on my desktop here
[13:30] <Radioslave> One for iPlayer
[13:30] <Radioslave> and one for...something else i forget
[13:30] <Radioslave> Do i just drop them onto the SD?
[13:30] <jelly1> google is your friend
[13:30] <Radioslave> See, i tried that and must be mentally challenged
[13:30] <Radioslave> So that's why I cam here
[13:30] <Radioslave> came*
[13:31] <jelly1> Radioslave: did you ever run xbmc?
[13:31] <Radioslave> Not until I got my Pi
[13:31] <maumushi> Radioslave: put the plugin zip on usb key
[13:31] <jelly1> so you don't have it running yet?
[13:31] <Radioslave> I do yes
[13:31] <Radioslave> It's all running
[13:31] <jelly1> Radioslave: goto xbmc -> addons
[13:31] <jelly1> search and install
[13:32] <Radioslave> Allright i'll give it a shot, back in a few
[13:32] <jelly1> if it's not there, use the zip method
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[13:32] <jelly1> or add a third party repo
[13:32] <Radioslave> Keep the folders in zip form yeah?
[13:32] <jelly1> sure
[13:32] <jelly1> keep the zip
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[13:36] <Radioslave> So yeah
[13:36] <Radioslave> I can search by directory
[13:36] <Radioslave> But not sure where to go from there.
[13:36] <Radioslave> As I just dropped them onto the SD and them popped the SD in the pi
[13:38] <Radioslave> Do I need to load them onto a USB stick?
[13:38] <Radioslave> and navigate there
[13:38] <xrosnight> maumushi: i use elinks
[13:40] <maumushi> xrosnight: i don't know elinks, i'll try it
[13:41] <xrosnight> jelly1: do you know the problem that (i use dd to copy the archlinux.img, but its LED light is flashing like forever, like 20 mins already) ? why
[13:41] <jelly1> nope
[13:42] <maumushi> Radioslave: i'm not sure to understand. put the zip (plugin) on usb, start xmbc, put the usb, got to plugin, install from local if i remeber correctly
[13:42] <Radioslave> Allright i'll try a USb stick in lieu of the mouse
[13:42] <jelly1> or just use the xbmc video addon repo
[13:42] <jelly1> Radioslave: ^
[13:42] * jelly1 wonders how hard it can be
[13:42] <Radioslave> I didn't see iPlayer in there
[13:43] <Radioslave> But that doesn't solve my issue of a web browser
[13:43] <Radioslave> Well yeah it's not hard for you, but I've never dealt with anything like this before
[13:43] <jelly1> probably unsupported
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[13:43] <jelly1> Radioslave: then browse for a zip file
[13:43] <Radioslave> which I did, but then it asks for a directory. I searched through those but found nothing of use
[13:43] <jelly1> Radioslave: well where on the sdcard did you drop it.
[13:44] <Radioslave> There's no folders on the SD
[13:44] <Radioslave> Just system files
[13:44] <Radioslave> So just onto the SD's only directory
[13:44] <jelly1> I bet there are folders
[13:44] <Radioslave> If there was an Addon folder or what not then it would make a little more sense
[13:44] <jelly1> but dunno since I run openelec :p
[13:44] <Radioslave> Would they be hidden?
[13:44] <jelly1> Radioslave: no
[13:44] <jelly1> Radioslave: where on the sd card did you put the zip files
[13:44] <Radioslave> There's literally no folders on it
[13:45] <Radioslave> Just onto the one directory it has
[13:45] <Radioslave> with all the other system files
[13:45] <Radioslave> maybe it didnt format properly
[13:45] <jelly1> then use an usb stick
[13:46] <Radioslave> Well as the end goal is getting a working web browser that can run Monitter, and XBMC seemingly not having browser support
[13:46] <Radioslave> would you suggest just moving to Raspbian?
[13:46] <jelly1> run whatever you like
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[13:47] <Radioslave> Dont different roms have different levels of functionality?
[13:48] <maumushi> Radioslave: have you ever use linux?
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[13:48] <Radioslave> No sir, can't say I have. Not until now
[13:48] <Radioslave> Which i understand could be an issue
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[13:48] <Radioslave> But everyone had to learn at some point, right
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[13:49] <maumushi> xmbc is not using linux, is based on linux but as notting to do with using linux
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[13:49] <maumushi> let's try to do this. do you have a zip file with addon?
[13:50] <Radioslave> Yeah I have two zips
[13:51] <Radioslave> One for iPlayer and one for the XBMC Repo
[13:51] <maumushi> ok, copy iplayer zip on a usb and start xmbc
[13:51] <Radioslave> Allright one sec
[13:52] <Radioslave> It wont recognize the USB Stick unless I reboot it right
[13:52] <maumushi> no. why?
[13:52] <Radioslave> oh, neat.
[13:52] <Radioslave> curious, is all
[13:52] <maumushi> copy the zip and then put the usb on usb port of raspberry
[13:53] <Radioslave> Righto did that, let me go plug it in
[13:53] <maumushi> now i have to remeber ... go to setting menu, probably the last one shifting on the right
[13:54] <Radioslave> It's plugged into our office lobby TV, let me just change computers so i dont hav to run back and forth
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[13:55] <Radioslave> Wow right away
[13:55] <Radioslave> the flash drive came up
[13:55] <maumushi> ok, open setting menu and go to plugin manager
[13:56] <Radioslave> Im using the ACE Skin
[13:56] <Radioslave> I should probably go back to Confluence
[13:57] <maumushi> no, maybe it's called add-on or something similar
[13:57] <Radioslave> Well this skin seems to not have a PRograms section
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[13:57] <maumushi> no programs
[13:57] <Radioslave> I seemingly installed the addons already
[13:57] <Radioslave> I found the 1GB USb Drive
[13:57] <Radioslave> and found the zips
[13:57] <Radioslave> That was all quite good
[13:57] <Radioslave> Now im just trying to find where the OS put them
[13:58] <maumushi> wait ... how have you installed if you didn't tell xmbc to install?
[13:58] <Radioslave> It just all of a sudden said Addon Emabled
[13:58] <Radioslave> Enabled
[13:59] <Radioslave> I went back to COnfluence, Ace is strange
[13:59] <Radioslave> one sec.
[13:59] <Radioslave> yeah now iPlayer is in there
[13:59] <maumushi> wow ... i don't know how but i'ts good i think ...
[14:00] <Radioslave> hahaha
[14:00] <maumushi> is working?
[14:00] <Radioslave> Now if I can get a web browser\
[14:00] <Radioslave> It would be disneyland
[14:00] <Radioslave> can I side load one?
[14:00] <maumushi> "side load on" ?
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[14:00] <Radioslave> like install a web browser from Zip
[14:01] <Radioslave> Ah damnit, looks like iPlayer may not get through our network firewall
[14:01] <maumushi> you have to search for a plugin
[14:01] <Radioslave> although Aljazeera did
[14:01] <Radioslave> Any one inparticular?
[14:01] <maumushi> i don't know
[14:01] <maumushi> i don't use web browser in xmbc
[14:02] <Radioslave> What do you use it in?
[14:02] <Radioslave> if at all
[14:03] <maumushi> i have sky.fm for music and youtube for video
[14:03] <Radioslave> take a look at Monitter.com
[14:03] <maumushi> i will
[14:03] <Radioslave> It allows you to do live feeds of twitter trending topics
[14:04] <Radioslave> and that's what I'm trying to get running in a browser on here
[14:04] <maumushi> you can try to search if is it a twitter plugin
[14:05] <Radioslave> It's a pretty niche site
[14:05] <Radioslave> i doubt there is one
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[14:06] <Radioslave> I got the main Repo installer as well
[14:06] <Radioslave> Can you suggest any good repos?
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[14:07] <maumushi> sorry but i use the standard one ... i've never needed anything else
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[14:11] <overbythere> Just bought a couple of RPis, I want to attach an LCD screen (2xY lines). I have little electronics experience, where would be the best place to start for a tutorial like this? Final aim: a screen I can program to display things like the device's IP address. Any thoughts? Thanks :)
[14:13] <Radioslave> You can display your IP pretty standardly
[14:13] <Radioslave> It's in the system settings
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[14:14] <overbythere> Radioslave: the idea would be that its not connected up to any screen, just power and a wifi USB dongle, keeping the system standalone, but able to display details should I need to see them (Maybe CPU usage etc)
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[14:15] <MrTrick> how do you change the pin assignments in the RPi? I want to use the second i2c channel on P5.
[14:18] <Radioslave> Boy i wish i knew what that meant
[14:19] <MrTrick> ^_^
[14:20] <MrTrick> In here, http://elinux.org/RPi_Low-level_peripherals#P5_header
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[14:20] <MrTrick> I2C0_SDA and I2C0_SCL are listed as 'Alt 0 Function'
[14:21] <MrTrick> Not sure how to enable them.
[14:22] <Triffid_Hunter> MrTrick: requires fiddling registers I'd say
[14:22] <Triffid_Hunter> MrTrick: which ones, and how, I have no idea
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[14:28] <MrTrick> Triffid_Hunter: any suggestion on how to find out?
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[14:29] <Triffid_Hunter> MrTrick: I'd google.. if there's no easy way, need a register map for the broadcom chip
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[14:34] <Radioslave> I'll give it another ask now that there's more here
[14:34] <Radioslave> Does anyone know of a versatile web browser for XBMC?
[14:34] <Radioslave> One that would be able to show Monitter.com as it is
[14:34] <Radioslave> Sub question: if not then a viable alternative to a live twitter feed for XBMC
[14:37] <gordonDrogon> there is a register map.
[14:37] <Matt> you could possibly write your own plugin
[14:37] <gordonDrogon> you need to get the Broadcom ARM Peripherals manual.
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[14:38] <Radioslave> If I could write things then I would be getting paid a lot more than I am now
[14:38] <gordonDrogon> however i'm not sure just how easy it is to use the 2nd I2C port - I'm sure I was speaking to someone else a while back who said that trying to use both at once was producing kernel errors/crashes.
[14:38] <Radioslave> I'm very good with software and hardware but when it comes to actual coding-type-level operations i'm absolutely useless.
[14:38] <gordonDrogon> personally, I reckon that if you have some application that needs the 2nd I2C port, then the Pi is probably not the right tool for the job.
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[14:39] <jelly1> Radioslave: http://code.google.com/p/twitxbmc/ .... google
[14:39] <gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Right now is one of those times I wish I had your ladder board handy, ha!
[14:39] <gordonDrogon> :)
[14:39] <Radioslave> Holy shit
[14:39] <Radioslave> Get in my mouth.
[14:39] <Matt> Radioslave: sounds like you need practice
[14:39] <Radioslave> I do :(
[14:39] <gordonDrogon> Radioslave, this is a family friendly channel.
[14:39] <MrTrick> gordonDrogon: thanks for the advice.
[14:40] <gordonDrogon> Radioslave, please read the rules at http://alturl.com/jc97e and consider this a warning.
[14:40] <Radioslave> A warning for what
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[14:40] <jelly1> being ignorant :P
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[14:40] <MrTrick> gordonDrogon: It's either *I* get the second i2c port working... or the other guy has to get his two programs "sharing" a single port nicely.
[14:41] <gordonDrogon> Radioslave, swearing.
[14:41] <Matt> MrTrick: sounds like you both have some fun ahead of you :)
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[14:41] <Radioslave> Oh wow sorry
[14:41] <MrTrick> so if it's too complicated, or a bad idea, that's fine. As long as I've tried.
[14:41] <Radioslave> That's PG where I come from
[14:41] <gordonDrogon> MrTrick, the I2C bus ought to be able to talk to 2 different peripherals by 2 different programs.
[14:41] <Matt> Radioslave: aye, but we try and keep the channel rated U
[14:41] <Matt> :)
[14:41] <MrTrick> how, they have to share the file don't they?
[14:42] <gordonDrogon> MrTrick, they open different device IDs.
[14:42] * MrTrick doesn't understand :-)
[14:42] <gordonDrogon> MrTrick, the device Ids will be like 0x20 and 0x47, etc.
[14:43] <MrTrick> eg each program has int fd = fopen("/dev/i2c-1", O_RDWR);
[14:43] <MrTrick> what happens if they both do that? I thought the second would fail
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[14:43] <gordonDrogon> so one program calls: fd = wiringPiI2CSetup (0x20) ; and the other program calls fd = wiringPiI2CSetup (0x47) ;
[14:44] <MrTrick> I do grok the slave ids, just not sure how to share the file descriptor.
[14:44] <gordonDrogon> you can do all that fpopen stuff if you want.
[14:44] <MrTrick> and I'm writing in c / c++, not wiring.
[14:44] <gordonDrogon> you don't share it. each program has it's own.
[14:44] <gordonDrogon> wiringPi is C
[14:44] <MrTrick> err sorry, share isn't the word.
[14:45] <Matt> it's a C library, which makes dealing with this kinda stuff that little bit easier
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[14:45] <Matt> and gordonDrogon is the man to talk to about it :)
[14:45] <gordonDrogon> the I2C bus is designed to have multiple peripherals connected to it.
[14:46] <BlueMint> What happens when you mount the OS image to the SD card that does not work with RPi and put it into the RPi? Does nothing happen and the red light just stay on?
[14:46] <gordonDrogon> in the Linux world, different programs can talk to different peripherals over it.
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[14:48] <gordonDrogon> back inna bit.
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[14:50] <MrTrick> Thanks for challening my assumptions gordonDrogon... for some reason I couldn't help but think "they want to talk to the same file device, there's going to be a collision". Testing (two screens, same program running on each) shows not much problem.
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[14:50] <clever> MrTrick: its purely up to the driver author to allow or deny that
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[14:50] <MrTrick> (slight chance of "error writing i2c command", but that's handleable)
[14:51] * MrTrick hasn't spent all that much time with linux devices.
[14:51] <clever> ive read the book on writing linux drivers
[14:51] <MrTrick> linux servers, sure... but there's not so much of a problem with that.
[14:51] <clever> ive got too much spare time :P
[14:51] <clever> next, run 'modinfo lirc_rpi' on your pi
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[14:51] * MrTrick wrote a linux driver back in high school for a 7 segment array... but I don't remember a bit of it.
[14:52] <MrTrick> not found.
[14:52] <clever> might need root
[14:52] <MrTrick> no dice.
[14:52] <clever> might be your distro is odd then
[14:52] <MrTrick> no, standard raspbian from a couple of days ago.
[14:53] <clever> strange
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[14:56] <Radioslave> Grrrr
[14:56] <Matt> grr?
[14:56] <Radioslave> Failing to authenticate the pin
[14:57] <MrTrick> anyway, that's my stuff sorted. zzz time.
[14:57] <Matt> MrTrick: see, now you can sleep soundly :)
[14:57] <MrTrick> I plan to. ^_^
[14:57] <Radioslave> Does the Pi do HDMI Audio out?
[14:57] <Matt> yup
[14:58] <Radioslave> Or do I have to plug speakers in
[14:58] <Radioslave> Strange
[14:58] <Matt> nope, it'll do audio over hdmi
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[14:58] <Matt> I was somewhat surprised to discover the the $30 video card I put in one of my PCs a few months back will also do audio over hdmi
[14:59] <Matt> not that I particularly expect to ever use it
[14:59] <Matt> but it's nice to know
[14:59] <SophieRxx> I only wish I could switch between HDMI audio and speakers.
[15:00] <SophieRxx> It would be nice to have a bit of music playing when I try to sleep, but I don't want the tv to stay on.
[15:00] <Matt> does your TV have a sleep function?
[15:01] <SophieRxx> It might do, I haven't really tried to find it.
[15:01] <Radioslave> Any idea how to get the PIn for the TwitXBMC
[15:01] <Radioslave> It says 'just run the script'
[15:01] <Radioslave> Not sure how exactly to go about that
[15:01] <SophieRxx> sh ./scriptname ?
[15:02] <Radioslave> still too advanced for me, i'm afraid
[15:02] <Matt> what happens when you attempt to launch it from Programs in xbmc?
[15:02] <Radioslave> I\ll give you the exact text
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[15:03] <Radioslave> twitXBMC failed to authenticate twitter. But not to worry, just approve twitXBMC on the next page and everything will work just fine. After approving twitxbmc you'll be given a pin number which you'll need to enter back in twitXBMC.
[15:03] <Radioslave> So then I hit Okay
[15:03] <Radioslave> It goes to a number entry screen
[15:04] <Radioslave> Enter twitter Pin code
[15:04] <Radioslave> screen flashes a few times
[15:04] <Radioslave> just sits there. I don't have a PIN
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[15:04] <Matt> oh, sounds like it's failing to launch a browser to take you to twitter
[15:04] <Radioslave> now it just flashes black and then back to the pin screen
[15:04] <Radioslave> Ahh
[15:04] <Radioslave> That sounds plausible
[15:04] <Radioslave> So on the googlecode page
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[15:05] <Radioslave> it says 'Just run the script'
[15:05] <Radioslave> https://code.google.com/p/twitxbmc/
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[15:06] <Matt> the process of authenticating a third party app to your twitter account goes "run app, app requests access to your account, passing an authentication token, you go login to twitter and approve the app, twitter gives you a pin, you then punch that pin into the app, and the app goes back to twitter with the pin, then twitter grants it access to your account
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[15:07] <Radioslave> Right so if I go to the Config settings for twitXBMC
[15:07] <Radioslave> I have a few options
[15:07] <Radioslave> A tab called Sign
[15:08] <Radioslave> with the options to fill fields labelled Secret(OAuth)
[15:08] <Radioslave> and Key(OAuth)
[15:08] <Radioslave> with the base URL set to api.twitter.com
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[15:09] <Matt> ah, you might be able to register it manually, that I'm not sure
[15:09] <Radioslave> Hrm
[15:09] <Radioslave> Do you know of a web browser I can side load or get for XBMC?
[15:09] <Matt> but looking at the code for the plugin, it does what I was saying, and tries to open a browser
[15:09] <Matt> what're you running xbmc on?
[15:09] <Matt> raspbmc? openelec? raspian?
[15:10] <Radioslave> I..uh.. The pi?
[15:10] <Radioslave> Oh
[15:10] <Radioslave> Raspbmc
[15:10] <Radioslave> Im open to anything
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[15:10] <Matt> hrm, don't think I have a raspian image for my pi around ATM
[15:10] <Radioslave> This is basically going to be stapled to a wall in our office lobby
[15:10] <Radioslave> I want it to run a twitter feed (Monitter.com)
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[15:10] <Radioslave> just on our TV here
[15:11] <Radioslave> That and do things like iPlayer
[15:11] <Radioslave> Fairly basic stuff, but web browsers seems to be troublesome
[15:11] <Triffid_Hunter> Radioslave: I got the occidentalis remix from adafruit, it has midori browser
[15:11] <Radioslave> I've heard Midori and Dillo are decent
[15:11] <Radioslave> What about Chromium?
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[15:11] <Triffid_Hunter> Radioslave: dillo is awesome for what it is, but it is not what you want
[15:11] <Radioslave> oh okay goo to know
[15:12] <Radioslave> Midori has more functionality?
[15:12] <Triffid_Hunter> yeah, midori has javascript support ;)
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[15:13] <Radioslave> So that being said
[15:13] <Radioslave> Should I scrap Rasbmc?
[15:13] <Radioslave> and use a new ROM
[15:14] <Radioslave> I'm very new to this whole flashing images thing
[15:14] <Radioslave> well, fairly.
[15:14] <Triffid_Hunter> Radioslave: try a few out, see what works, come back and let us know :)
[15:14] <Radioslave> What would you suggest if I wanted to run Midori?
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[15:15] <Triffid_Hunter> Radioslave: I've only tried the adafruit remix, it's based on raspbian wheezy with a few extras chucked in
[15:15] <Radioslave> Cool, i'll flash raspbian and go from there
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[15:18] <SophieRxx> Triffid_Hunter: Would you reccomend that? I have raspbian on my current card but I've heard it mentioned a lot on the adafruit website.
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[15:18] <Triffid_Hunter> SophieRxx: it works well enough, couldn't tell you difference from regular raspbian though
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[15:19] <SophieRxx> If I can ever be bothered to reinstall I might try it.
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[15:45] <gordonDrogon> why thank you.
[15:45] <IT_Sean> Were you successful in your mission?
[15:45] <gordonDrogon> 100%
[15:46] <IT_Sean> Brilliant!
[15:46] <IT_Sean> Where are the heads, then?
[15:46] <IT_Sean> Let me see them!
[15:46] <IT_Sean> ...
[15:46] <IT_Sean> You... you did remember your mission, right? ... to collect the heads of 100,000 noobs from every corner of the world?
[15:46] <gordonDrogon> You must be thinking of a differrent mission...
[15:47] <gordonDrogon> that's tomorrows.
[15:47] * IT_Sean looks at his calendar
[15:47] <Matt> hrm, I wonder if there's anything constructive I could do with an 8MB SD card these days
[15:47] <IT_Sean> Ah, yes. You are correct.
[15:47] <IT_Sean> Matt: set it on fire.
[15:47] <gordonDrogon> 8 mega bytes?
[15:47] <IT_Sean> Oh... you said CONstructive.
[15:47] <Matt> quite :)
[15:47] <Matt> and yes, 8 megabytes
[15:48] * Matt just found it in a drawer
[15:48] <IT_Sean> 8mb!? I didn't know they made 'em that small!
[15:48] <gordonDrogon> that would not hold a single image in JPEG format off my camera these days...
[15:48] * IT_Sean remembers when his digital camera used a 32mb SmartMedia card
[15:48] <Matt> back in the days when digital cameras took photos that were inly a few hundred kB each
[15:49] <IT_Sean> <-- I had an Olympus D620L. It used SmartMedia. :p
[15:49] * gordonDrogon picks a random image: -rwxr-xr-x 1 gordon gordon 7400834 Mar 16 15:04 IMGP2313.JPG
[15:49] <Matt> I think this 8MB card was a freebie with a little minolta P&S
[15:49] <Matt> I replaced it with a 128MB card
[15:49] <Matt> which I also should have floating around somewhere
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[15:49] <Matt> it was in the wii for a while, when I had the homebrew channel setup
[15:49] <IT_Sean> soaking an SD card in wee voids the warranty, Matt.
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[15:50] <Matt> I have a 512MB in my Pi ATM
[15:50] <Matt> which is more than big enough for what I use it for :)
[15:50] <IT_Sean> My Pi is using a 2 gig one, i think.
[15:50] <IT_Sean> Which is overkill for OpenELEC.
[15:50] <IT_Sean> But, it's what i had handy.
[15:50] <Matt> quite
[15:50] <Matt> mine's got a 250GB HDD attached via usb
[15:51] <Matt> and the SD card just has berryboot on it
[15:51] <maumushi> Matt: try to compile minix for pi ;)
[15:51] * Matt used to have a little 286 running minix
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[15:51] <Matt> with an ne2k compat 10Mbps NIC
[15:51] <IT_Sean> 500 gig external HDD, in my case.
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[15:52] <Matt> made for a nice quite terminal machine
[15:52] <Matt> I think it had a 40MB HDD :)
[15:52] <IT_Sean> My first computer had a 32mb HDD. It was SCSI, and took up about half the case.
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[15:53] <Matt> http://pkl.net/~matt/stuff/forsale/pict0089.jpg
[15:53] <IT_Sean> I have fond memories of taking it into a shop to have the memory upgraded to 64mb :p
[15:53] <Matt> that's the little box :)
[15:54] <maumushi> mine was 8088 without hd
[15:54] <IT_Sean> You are, clearly, and old fart, then. :
[15:54] <IT_Sean> :p
[15:54] <Matt> maumushi: I had an 8086 laptop with a pair of 720kB FDDs :)
[15:54] <Matt> my first computer as a ZX Spectrum
[15:54] <IT_Sean> Matt: how is that a laptop?! Musta weighted evently billion pounds. :p
[15:55] <IT_Sean> *eleventy
[15:55] <maumushi> only one FDD, yes but the very first was C64
[15:55] <Matt> IT_Sean: my 8086 laptop? it was a funny little box
[15:55] <IT_Sean> It sounds hilarious.
[15:55] <Matt> it had a monochome CGA display, with non-backlit LCD screen
[15:56] <IT_Sean> How much did it weigh, and how long would it run off of battery?
[15:56] <Matt> not all that much, actually
[15:56] <IT_Sean> More than a duck?
[15:56] <Matt> certainly no more than this HP Compaq 6710b I'm using now
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[15:56] <Matt> probably less
[15:56] <Matt> and I think I used to get an hour or two out of the battery
[15:57] <IT_Sean> heh
[15:57] <Matt> till the battery died
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[15:57] <Matt> it was basically a tube of sub-C sized NiCds
[15:57] <Matt> to give 5-6V
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[15:58] <Matt> there was one floppy drive on each side of the machine, and they just plugged into a backplane in the middle of the case
[15:59] <Matt> but they used to move around and come partly unplugged, so to fix that you just put a disk in each and give them a good firm press at the same time
[15:59] <Matt> ran wordstar 4.01b Pro on there
[15:59] <IT_Sean> And now we have multi-core computers that are several orders of magnitude more powerful, that can run for about 36 hours without being plugged in, and fit in a pocket.
[15:59] <Matt> worked beautifully
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[15:59] <Matt> but was completely useless in low light
[16:00] * maumushi remeber lotus 1-2-3
[16:00] <Matt> but on the flip side, was perfectly readable in bright sunlight
[16:00] <gordonDrogon> an early computer of mine: http://unicorn.drogon.net/stuff/mk14.jpg
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[16:02] <IT_Sean> [insert photo of stonehenge here]
[16:02] <IT_Sean> pwnt.
[16:04] <Matt> gordonDrogon: whee :)
[16:05] <Matt> how about this? http://pkl.net/~matt/photos/machines/MVII/pict0175.jpg
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[16:06] <Matt> http://pkl.net/~matt/photos/machines/MVII/pict0183.jpg gives a bit more perspective :)
[16:07] <gordonDrogon> disk array for a vax?
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[16:09] <Matt> gordonDrogon: from the top down: cipher f880 tape drive, MicroVAX II in a BA23 case, Fujitsu Eagle II (IIRC) HDD, Fujitsu Eagle HDD
[16:10] <gordonDrogon> Ah, I should have recognised the Eagle... I'm sure we had one on a Sun server c25 years ago ..
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[16:21] <Matt> gordonDrogon: 340MB or so of storage goodness :)
[16:22] <Matt> in 5U IIRC, and I don't remember how many lbs
[16:23] <Matt> 6U
[16:23] <Matt> and 130lbs
[16:23] <IT_Sean> 6U for 340mb of storage? :p
[16:24] <IT_Sean> Damn.
[16:24] <Matt> IT_Sean: yup, and capable of a whopping 1.7MB/s
[16:24] <IT_Sean> lemme guess... SCSI cable as thick as your wrist?
[16:24] <Matt> contained 11x 10.5" platters
[16:25] <Matt> IT_Sean: it's pre-SCSI
[16:25] <Matt> it was SMD :)
[16:25] <IT_Sean> dang.
[16:25] <chithead> how can it be pre-scsi? scsi predates microcomputers
[16:25] <IT_Sean> I wasn't around in the Pre-SCSI-era, so...
[16:26] <Matt> IT_Sean: take a look at the mass of wiring in http://pkl.net/~matt/photos/machines/MVII/PICT0001.JPG
[16:26] <gordonDrogon> ?VAX was hardly a microcomputer...
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[16:26] <IT_Sean> gordonDrogon: bladang.
[16:26] <Matt> the rainbow coloured ribbon cable is the SMD address cable
[16:26] <gordonDrogon> ;-)
[16:26] <Matt> the thinner cables are the data
[16:26] <IT_Sean> Sorry, that "bladang" was meant for Matt
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[16:27] <Matt> similar sort of cabling topology to the ST512 interface used for MFM and RLL drives in early PCs
[16:27] <gordonDrogon> SCSI - Small Computer Systems Interface.
[16:27] <Matt> daisychained address and control lines, star topology for data lines from each disk to the controller
[16:27] <gordonDrogon> I once wrote a driver for a SCSI interface that was somewhat low-level - no hardware assist, dma, etc.
[16:28] <Matt> and SCSI wasn't standardized until 1986, the MVII is circa 1985
[16:29] <Matt> even my MicroVAX 3300 wasn't a SCSI system - it used DEC's DSSI, which was very similar
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[16:30] <IT_Sean> Matt: if SCSI wasn't standardized 'till 1986, i guess i DO predate SCSI. I was born in 1985. :p
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[16:31] <Matt> IT_Sean: '85? whippersnapper :)
[16:31] <maumushi> IT_Sean: so you didn't ever played at http://www.dosgamesarchive.com/download/alley-cat/ ?
[16:32] <maumushi> one of the first game on pc i played
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[16:33] <IT_Sean> Matt: Get off my lawn!
[16:33] <gordonDrogon> 85. *sigh*
[16:33] <IT_Sean> lol
[16:34] <gordonDrogon> hair was big in the 80's.
[16:34] <IT_Sean> I don't remember much of the 80s, tbh. :p
[16:35] <IT_Sean> I was still in the poo larvae stage for most of the 80s, afterall.
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[16:36] <Matt> IT_Sean: s'ok, you're only 5 years younger than me
[16:37] <IT_Sean> you old fart.
[16:37] <Matt> IT_Sean: so what's gordonDrogon? :)
[16:38] <gordonDrogon> older
[16:38] <IT_Sean> gordonDrogon: He is a dirty old man.
[16:38] <IT_Sean> *:,
[16:38] <gordonDrogon> it's true. I've not showered today..
[16:38] <IT_Sean> That's not what i meant.
[16:38] <maumushi> the older the better ... like scotch :)
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[16:43] <gordonDrogon> within reason...
[16:43] * IT_Sean gives maumushi a single shot of 10,000 year old scotch
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[16:45] <maumushi> no sooooo ooooold ...
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[16:45] <IT_Sean> you said "the older the better"
[16:45] <IT_Sean> now drink!
[16:45] <KayGridley> Anyone know how to solve a dhcpdiscover problem? My eth0 insists on using no matter what I put in the /etc/network/interfaces file
[16:46] <KayGridley> I can get the wireless side to work fine
[16:46] <Matt> DHCPDISCOVER *should* go out to
[16:46] <maumushi> hic
[16:46] <KayGridley> Matt, ah ok
[16:46] <Matt> the whole point of a discover is it's a broadcast packet, asking for any DHCP server on the LAN to respond
[16:46] * IT_Sean bills maumushi for ?75000
[16:47] <KayGridley> Hmmm in which case I'm even more stuck than I thought I was :/
[16:47] <maumushi> about 2500 pi
[16:48] <maumushi> it will be a lot of cloud!
[16:48] <IT_Sean> :p
[16:48] <KayGridley> Dratted thing initially worked, then I set up the wifi, initially just to connect to the network, but then as a router, now nothing I do seems to be able to get the wired side to connecg
[16:48] <Matt> KayGridley: client sends a DHCPDISCOVER, server responds with an DHCPOFFER, if the client then accepts that offer, it sends a DHCPREQUEST for that IP, then the server confirms the lease with a DHCPACK
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[16:49] <KayGridley> I'm not getting offers by the looks of it, hence thinking my discover was wrong
[16:49] <Matt> KayGridley: and you're planning to use the pi as a router?
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[16:50] <KayGridley> I'm trying to set it up as a wifi hotspot and web server but not connected to the Internet, the idea is to run small websites off it as part of a training environment
[16:51] <Matt> KayGridley: you probably don't want it to DHCP on all the interfaces then
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[16:51] <Matt> static is usually better unless you need dhcp for some reason
[16:51] <clever> KayGridley: what is the AP running on?
[16:51] <maumushi> it was a nice chat, thanks and bye all until next
[16:51] <pksato> KayGridley: dhcpd is on rpi?
[16:51] <KayGridley> The only reason for wanting it to dhcp on the eth0 is so that I can do things like apt-get n the rare days I do plug a cable in, ie when I'm loading stuff
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[16:52] <KayGridley> Clever: I've got a wifi USB that the AP is running out of, if that was what you meant
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[16:52] <clever> ah, nice
[16:52] <KayGridley> Sorry first time really digging into the networking side of things
[16:52] <clever> not sure why dhcp client isnt working on eth0
[16:52] <clever> i would just set a static ip
[16:53] <pksato> realy have a dhcp server on eth0 network?
[16:53] <KayGridley> I don't think I can is the problem. It is being plugged into the company network which I'm 99% sure runs on dynamic ip
[16:54] <clever> KayGridley: figure out the dhcp range, and pick an ip outside it
[16:54] <clever> like .2 or .254 maybe
[16:54] <clever> or ask the admins to set one asside for you
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[16:54] <Matt> if it's for occasional connectivity, then yeah, you should prolly troubleshoot dhcpo
[16:54] <KayGridley> Clever: if I go with static, I presume I have to set what the ip would be?
[16:54] <Matt> but if it's not working, is it possible that your corporate network only allows requests from authorized MACs?
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[16:54] <clever> KayGridley: yep
[16:54] <KayGridley> Daft question I know, no chance of talking to the admins sadly, external company
[16:55] <pksato> KayGridley: if you not of TI staff, ask then about.
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[16:55] <Matt> KayGridley: you can always tcpdump your DHCP traffic
[16:55] <KayGridley> Matt, no because it has been easy to just plug things in before, indeed the pi worked initially till I set up the wifi :(
[16:56] <Matt> running a tcpump on eth0 is probably the next thing I'd try
[16:56] <KayGridley> Matt, ooh will give that a go, thank hou
[16:56] <KayGridley> You even
[16:56] <Matt> and if you'd prefer a GUI
[16:56] <Matt> you can always have tcpdump write to a file (using -w)
[16:56] <Matt> then load the into wireshark on another machine
[16:56] <Matt> s/the/that/
[16:58] <KayGridley> Ok will give that a go. Thank you. I suspect this will also clear up the problems I'm having doing anything other than connecting to the wireless network it is creating. Speaking of which, could it be the iptables settings making a mess of everything?
[16:58] <Matt> yup
[16:59] <Matt> you could try flushing all your tables and setting the default policies to ACCEPT, then see if that fixes it
[16:59] <KayGridley> Ah now that would make more sense as this problem only started after I was setting up the router side of things
[17:00] <Matt> for a in INPUT FORWARD OUTPUT; do iptables -F $a; iptables -P ACCEPT $a; done
[17:00] <Matt> ah whoops
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[17:00] <Matt> for a in INPUT FORWARD OUTPUT; do iptables -F $a; iptables -P $a ACCEPT; done
[17:00] <Matt> got that backwards :)
[17:00] <KayGridley> :) don't worry I've got to remember where the dratted file is yet!
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[17:01] <Matt> firewalls are fun :)
[17:01] <Matt> I quite like fwbuilder for building iptables scripts
[17:01] <Torikun> I love firewalls!
[17:02] <Torikun> For firewalls, check out my guide: http://www.linux-toys.com/?p=5
[17:02] <KayGridley> Matt, do I literally just need that line as a start?
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[17:02] <\\Mr_C\\> if i want to upgrade the firmware manually, is there a documentaion on it?
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[17:03] <Matt> KayGridley: nah, if you run that on the commandline, it'll clear your currently configure firewall rules
[17:03] <KayGridley> Ah cool
[17:03] <Matt> iptables -F <CHAIN> removes all the rules in <CHAIN>
[17:03] <Matt> iptables -P <CHAIN> ACCEPT sets the default policy for <CHAIN> to ACCEPT
[17:04] <Matt> and that little one-liner just runs those two commands for the INPUT, FORWARD and OUTPUT chains
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[17:11] <KayGridley> Matt, presumably I need to restart something after I e. done that?
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[17:18] <KayGridley> Ok iptables cleared, my next suspect is dnsmasq, as it timed out when I rebooted
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[17:19] <Kane> o/
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[17:22] <Matt> KayGridley: nope, no restarting anyything :)
[17:22] <Matt> KayGridley: it just clears the currented loaded config
[17:22] <Matt> KayGridley: once you restart your firewall scripts, it'll load it all up again
[17:22] <Jck_true> \\Mr_C\\: Not much - https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-firmware
[17:23] <Jck_true> \\Mr_C\\: Or just use the automated script - https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-update
[17:23] <KayGridley> Matt, ah cool
[17:23] <\\Mr_C\\> very well
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[17:32] <Sulfuric> So can i regulate the voltage output in the raspberry pi?
[17:32] <Sulfuric> from like 5 v down to 4
[17:32] <Sulfuric> or do i just use like a component
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[17:32] <Sulfuric> Or maybe i should just hook a voltage changer to the pi
[17:34] <IT_Sean> Sulfuric: what are you trying to do?
[17:35] <IT_Sean> The GPIO is 3.3v
[17:35] <IT_Sean> The only source of 5v on the Pi is the single 5v pin on the GPIO header, and the USB ports.
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[17:37] <Sulfuric> ah thanks
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[17:44] <gordonDrogon> hactually there are 2 5V pins, but ....
[17:45] <IT_Sean> gordonDrogon, where is the 2nd one?
[17:45] <gordonDrogon> next to the first one.
[17:45] <IT_Sean> Heh. Okay. I stand corrected then.
[17:45] <gordonDrogon> It was DNC, but they're officially said what their purpose is & are not going to change...
[17:45] <gordonDrogon> there's a 2nd 3.3v too and th rest are grounds.
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[17:52] <SophieRxx> Still can't get my head around how to control a stepper motor
[17:53] <SophieRxx> ugh
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[17:56] <Twist-> SophieRxx: Have you run across adafruit's tutorials?
[17:56] <Twist-> http://learn.adafruit.com/adafruits-raspberry-pi-lesson-10-stepper-motors/overview
[17:57] <Twist-> the arduino tutorial looks a bit more straightforward. http://learn.adafruit.com/adafruit-arduino-lesson-16-stepper-motors/overview
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[17:59] <gordonDrogon> SophieRxx, do you have a stepper already?
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[18:03] <SophieRxx> I don't gordonDrogon.
[18:03] <SophieRxx> I have been looking at a few though.
[18:03] <SophieRxx> Twist-: I've looked at the tutorials and I understand it, I just don't understand how the code works.
[18:03] <SophieRxx> Copying and pasting is alright, but I want to learn.
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[18:07] <ReggieUK> it depends which code you've looked at
[18:07] <ReggieUK> some of it is hidden behind a library
[18:08] <SophieRxx> The only one I've looked at has been from the adafruit website
[18:08] <SophieRxx> http://learn.adafruit.com/adafruits-raspberry-pi-lesson-10-stepper-motors/software
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[18:10] <ReggieUK> well, that's python, so it depends whether you want to learn about python coding styles or actually how a stepper motor is stepped
[18:11] <ReggieUK> you'd have to do a little of the first to achieve the 2nd :)
[18:11] <KayGridley> Mark, Tcpdump is only getting me that no ip address has been assigned, don't suppose you have any other suggestions on where I need to look do you? Thanks
[18:11] <SophieRxx> Ideally I'd want to do learn both.
[18:11] <ReggieUK> I don't know any python but it's relatively simple to deconstruct what it's doing there
[18:12] <gordonDrogon> SophieRxx, well - there are 2 types of stepper motors to start with unipolar and bipolar...
[18:12] <gordonDrogon> and they're driven in different ways.
[18:13] <SophieRxx> Is there an easy way to tell between the two?
[18:13] <gordonDrogon> number of wires is often a clue.
[18:13] <gordonDrogon> that adafruit code is for a unipolar motor.
[18:14] <gordonDrogon> most steppers these days are bipolar.
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[18:14] <gordonDrogon> that adafruit code is also for one particular type of unipolar motor too - you really need to read the data sheet to write code for it correctly.
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[18:14] <gordonDrogon> bipolar steppers will normally have 4 leads. unipolar 5 or more.
[18:14] <gordonDrogon> typically 5, 6 or 8.
[18:15] <gordonDrogon> the easiest way to drive a stepper motor is with a stepper motor driver chip.
[18:15] <SophieRxx> The one I'm looking at has that. Four wires and a ULN2003
[18:16] <gordonDrogon> in the adafruit tutorial?
[18:16] <SophieRxx> It's from DX.
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[18:16] <gordonDrogon> got a link?
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[18:16] <SophieRxx> http://dx.com/p/5v-stepper-motor-uln2003-driver-board-set-158635
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[18:17] <gordonDrogon> ok. 5 wires = unipolar stepper.
[18:17] <gordonDrogon> that's the same motor as in the adafruit tutorial.
[18:17] <SophieRxx> I misscounted I see.
[18:18] <Twist-> I sometimes think that an arduino is a better tool when you're beginning to learn electronics. There are fewer layers of bullshit between you and the components.
[18:18] <gordonDrogon> they drive it incorrectly imo 2 coils at a time - the manual for the motor says to drive it in 1 + 2 coil mode. ie. coil A, then A + B, then B then B + C, then C then C + D then D then D + A then repeat at A
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[18:18] <gordonDrogon> unipolar motors are the simplest to drive though.
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[18:20] <SophieRxx> I see.
[18:20] <gordonDrogon> think of a clock - with 4 coils - one at 12, 3, 6 and 9. in the middle is a metal bar - activate the 12 coil and the bar goes to the 12. Activate the 12 + 3 and it swings to the mid-position, then just the 3 and it moves to the 3, then 3+6 then 6 ... etc.
[18:20] <gordonDrogon> so you need to activate the coils in sequence..
[18:21] <gordonDrogon> and if you get it right, the motor turns.
[18:21] <SophieRxx> That makes sense.
[18:21] <gordonDrogon> in reality there are a lot more coils, but you get the idea.
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[18:22] <gordonDrogon> See this: http://www.mypishop.com/Stepper.html if you want the same thing that does right on-top of your Pi.
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[18:24] <SophieRxx> Oh that's cool.
[18:25] <clever> SophieRxx: http://hackaday.com/2013/04/13/working-3d-printed-stepper-motor/
[18:27] <SophieRxx> I think I understand it now, thank you. Greatly appreciated.
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[18:28] <gordonDrogon> and intersting little demo that.
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[18:28] <geordie> good morning
[18:29] * buzzsaw wants a 3d printer
[18:30] <chupacabra> doesnt everyone?
[18:30] <Twist-> buzzsaw: Do you have a local hackspace?
[18:30] <buzzsaw> I dont know
[18:30] <chupacabra> 3d printer time is precious around here
[18:31] <buzzsaw> I am moving in less than 2 weeks :-)
[18:31] <SophieRxx> I want a laser cutter too, for some reason
[18:31] <clever> buzzsaw: pick a city based on its hackerspace's :P
[18:31] <clever> move there!
[18:31] <chupacabra> lol
[18:31] <buzzsaw> clever: I picked the city based on its job offer ;-)
[18:31] <buzzsaw> more important...
[18:31] <Twist-> Which city?
[18:31] <clever> thats no fun!
[18:31] <buzzsaw> Meridian Idaho
[18:32] <buzzsaw> right next to Boise
[18:32] <chupacabra> who wants a job? yuk
[18:32] <buzzsaw> you can buy cooler toys with a job :-)
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[18:32] <chupacabra> one can make money without a job
[18:32] <IT_Sean> Heh... i did the opposite, buzzsaw. I picked a city, then looked for a job. :p
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[18:33] * buzzsaw does not want to live of government (other peoples money)
[18:33] <Twist-> Looks like you're SOL there
[18:33] <buzzsaw> well IT_Sean it was kind looked for jobs in citys :-)
[18:33] <IT_Sean> I don't like big cities.
[18:33] <gordonDrogon> me neither.
[18:33] <IT_Sean> ... I pass cows on my way to work, now. :p
[18:33] <buzzsaw> haha boise is small compared to where I have lived the last few times :-)
[18:33] <Twist-> Nope. Got one. http://www.openlabidaho.org/about/
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[18:34] <gordonDrogon> I hear the local steam train and sheep on occasion.
[18:34] <IT_Sean> I ran over a cow poo the other day. Thank heck i was in a rental car. :p
[18:34] <SophieRxx> Ew
[18:34] <buzzsaw> lived in phoenix, new haven, dallas for the last few years
[18:34] <chupacabra> one just gets clients to pay one for doing little or nothing. Or at least something fun.
[18:34] <IT_Sean> Indeed. I had the windows down, as well. the smell was biblical
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[18:34] <buzzsaw> boise is one of the larges in idaho but still small ;-)
[18:35] <clever> IT_Sean: ive driven by fields durring spreading time, you can literaly taste it in the air
[18:35] * chupacabra hates Dallas. That city will really mess a person up.
[18:35] <buzzsaw> when I was still in highschool I worked on farms and such. Cleaning crap...
[18:35] <IT_Sean> ick
[18:36] <Twist-> buzzsaw: looks like a 20 minute drive for you
[18:36] <IT_Sean> I'm a northerner... I've not yet gotten used to dodging dung piles on my morning commute.
[18:36] <IT_Sean> heh... dodging dung piles in a dodge. :p
[18:36] <buzzsaw> Twist-: fr what?
[18:36] <buzzsaw> for
[18:36] <chupacabra> lol
[18:36] <buzzsaw> IT_Sean: what city did oyu move to?
[18:36] <Twist-> buzzsaw: your closest hackspace
[18:37] <IT_Sean> buzzsaw: I live in Greenville, SC.
[18:37] <buzzsaw> just run them over :-) it washes off
[18:37] <Twist-> buzzsaw: I linked it a couple lines up
[18:37] <buzzsaw> oh :-)
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[18:37] <IT_Sean> I used to live and work in northern Joysey.
[18:37] <IT_Sean> Not too far from NYC.
[18:38] <IT_Sean> But it was too crowded, with too much traffic, and got too cold in the winter.
[18:38] <buzzsaw> yeah...
[18:38] <buzzsaw> I laugh here when people say traffic from living in CT :-)
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[18:38] <buzzsaw> and I laugh even harder when they say traffic in Boise :-)
[18:38] <IT_Sean> Some parts of CT get traffic-ey.
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[18:39] <buzzsaw> the 91 and 95 back up in newhaven :-s
[18:39] <chupacabra> austin getting google fibre. Fixing to be a tech boom here.
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[18:39] <IT_Sean> I've been stuck in some major tailbacks along 95
[18:39] <buzzsaw> causing people to get off and fill the non major roads..
[18:39] * IT_Sean messes with texas
[18:39] <buzzsaw> dallas sucks around traffic time too
[18:39] <IT_Sean> It used to take me 30 minutes to get to work, and 75 minutes to get home.
[18:40] <buzzsaw> phoenix slows but I just avoid the raod at traffic time
[18:40] <chupacabra> i dont even go back to dallas
[18:40] <IT_Sean> I burned 2 tanks of gas a week.
[18:40] <chupacabra> lots of friends there
[18:40] <geordie> i live on the edge of downtown vancouver canada - the vancouver hack space happens to be a ten minute walk from my house
[18:40] <IT_Sean> Now, it takes me 5 minutes each way, and i fill up once a month. :)
[18:40] <clever> geordie: i'm on the wrong coastline for that, NB
[18:40] <SophieRxx> 15 minutes each way for me.
[18:41] <clever> why must everything be on the wrong side of canada!
[18:41] <buzzsaw> Twist-: I dont even see an address on this place
[18:41] <chupacabra> is there a right side?
[18:41] <buzzsaw> oops ther eit is :-)
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[18:41] <clever> chupacabra: i am on the 'right' side, when you look at a map :P
[18:41] <chupacabra> hehe
[18:42] <buzzsaw> 9.3 miles from my new job up there
[18:42] <IT_Sean> Canada may have a 'right' side, but it has NO correct side.
[18:42] <geordie> clever: what town are you in?
[18:42] <geordie> or newar
[18:42] <buzzsaw> but... we might end up living west of it by an additional 10miles
[18:42] <geordie> near that is
[18:42] <clever> geordie: dalhousie
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[18:43] <Twist-> buzzsaw: yeah, it's buried on the contact page
[18:43] <Twist-> terrible website
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[18:43] <buzzsaw> and slow...
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[18:44] <buzzsaw> I might go check it out
[18:44] <Twist-> And no pictures of the space
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[18:46] <geordie> clever: that looks like a nice place
[18:46] <clever> geordie: yep
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[18:50] <buzzsaw> Twist-: I will be doing some lampworking classes down the road, I will drop by and check it out and see if its a nice place
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[18:54] <SophieRxx> I don't know what it is but I love PWM.
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[18:54] <IT_Sean> SophieRxx: you don't know what it is?
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[18:55] <SophieRxx> I mean I don't know why I love it so much.
[18:55] <buzzsaw> but you do *knowWhatItIS* right?
[18:55] <IT_Sean> oooh.
[18:55] <IT_Sean> :p
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[18:55] <IT_Sean> I was about to explain what PWM was. :p
[18:56] <SophieRxx> Sorry. :)
[18:56] <IT_Sean> s'okeh
[18:56] <SophieRxx> buzzsaw: I do know what PWM is.
[18:56] <SophieRxx> I even have a webcam set up so I can watch the LED whilst actually being there.
[18:56] <Twist-> buzzsaw: sounds like they might have some 3d printers at least
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[19:07] <jose1711> hello, i purchased a power regulator which outputs 5v. then i cut microusb cable and used black and red wires to connect regulator to raspi. rpi not booting. any idea? btw also my phone refuses to charge itself
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[19:10] <geordie> jose1711: have you checked the output of the power regulator with a multimeter?
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[19:11] <gordonDrogon> what are you feeding into the 5v ?
[19:11] <gordonDrogon> into the 5v regulator that is ...
[19:15] <SophieRxx> More shopping for Pi bits, awesome!
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[19:17] <jose1711> geordie: yup, 5.09 v
[19:17] <jose1711> 8x AA 1.2v (rechargables)
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[19:18] <jose1711> they're fresh, giving > 10 v
[19:19] <gordonDrogon> well that'll work. did you check that you were getting 5 out of the regulator?
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[19:19] <pksato> jose1711: on usb cable not aways red and black are +5V and GND.
[19:19] <gordonDrogon> ah, that's the 5.09v I guess.
[19:19] <mgottschlag> jose1711: 5V while the pi is connected to it?
[19:20] <dddh> jose1711: how long do they last?
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[19:20] <Armand> Currently waiting on my small prototype boards, to supply 5v via USB.. not had a problem with running the regulators at 5.25v
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[19:20] <jose1711> mgottschlag: no i measured disconnected. i probably should measure on test probes, right?
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[19:21] <mgottschlag> you should measure with some load on it because the voltage might drop quite a lot
[19:21] <jose1711> i've got black, red, white and green
[19:21] <Armand> Yeah, because if you're getting 4.75v on the Pi it most likely won't start
[19:23] <pksato> jose1711: use continuit tester (multimeter) and check if red/black wires goes to rpi.
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[19:24] <jose1711> 0.41v
[19:24] <jose1711> i don't understand
[19:25] <mgottschlag> the batteries cannot provide enough current
[19:25] <jose1711> anyway - i see voltage so there must be a circuit
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[19:26] <jose1711> closed circuit
[19:26] <jose1711> hey but how? all the same brand, all new
[19:26] <mgottschlag> they are simple batteries after all :)
[19:26] <jose1711> btw i have tested this w/ 9v battery too. did not work (did not do multimeter test)
[19:26] <SophieRxx> They may provide the volts, but they may not provide the amps.
[19:26] <mgottschlag> what kind of voltage converter is this?
[19:27] <mgottschlag> in any case the batteries need to provide 700mA, and that's a bit too much for 1.2v rechargeable batteries
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[19:29] <mgottschlag> you can add more batteries in parallel though
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[19:33] <jose1711> what do you think is a max current for 1.2v battery?
[19:33] <pksato> depened of size of battery, have a 10Ah D size NiMH battery. set of 6 can power rpi for 14Hours. :)]
[19:33] <wroberts1> jose1711: depends on the type of battery, its source resistance
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[19:34] <jose1711> internal resistance?
[19:34] <bertrik> a few amps for NiMH
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[19:35] <bertrik> for AA's I mean
[19:35] <mgottschlag> huh, didn't expect that much
[19:35] <IT_Sean> 4x AAs won't run the Pi for long.
[19:36] <jose1711> IT_Sean: i've got 8 connected in series - and it does not even boot
[19:36] <jose1711> so.. no difference between 4 and 8 for me :-)
[19:37] <pksato> jose1711: or you DC-DC conveter not working proper.
[19:37] <IT_Sean> All 8 in series?
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[19:38] <jose1711> i've got this fella http://goo.gl/Fy8oM
[19:38] <jose1711> yes, all 8 in series
[19:39] <IT_Sean> 8 AAs in series would be too high a voltage. I hope you are regulating it down to 5v somehow.
[19:39] <pksato> I forget to carry micro usb cable to work place. only RPi and card. :(
[19:39] <jose1711> yes, see the link to the converter
[19:40] <IT_Sean> Probably not enough amperage.
[19:40] <jose1711> Output current: 2 A Output continuous.
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[19:41] <pksato> jose1711: RPi still working if powered by other psu?
[19:41] <IT_Sean> jose1711: what's the amperage of the battery pack...
[19:41] <clever> jose1711: try connecting 4 in series, twice, then parallel the 2 sets together
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[19:41] <IT_Sean> ^ wot clever said
[19:41] <mgottschlag> clever: that would make 4.8V, right? that converter needs 7V
[19:42] <jose1711> how to measure the amperage of the battery pack?
[19:42] <jose1711> short-circuit?
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[19:42] <clever> mgottschlag: not switching?
[19:42] <mgottschlag> switching, but step-down only
[19:42] <clever> IT_Sean: ive done it to my mp3 player before, ran it off 4 or 8 D's
[19:42] <clever> but it was means for 2 AAA's
[19:42] <IT_Sean> clever: nice.
[19:42] <pksato> jose1711: read the label on battery.
[19:42] <clever> IT_Sean: it went from 24h runtime to 6 months :P
[19:42] <IT_Sean> noooiiicceeee :D
[19:43] <jose1711> this is my "setup": https://www.dropbox.com/s/n8asmsn786kujcg/Bratislava-20130415-00198.jpg
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[19:44] <IT_Sean> I would suggest parallel-ing multiple of those battery packs together, to provide the necessary amperage, if that is indeed the problem.
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[19:45] <jose1711> battery label only says 1.2V, min 1900 mAh
[19:45] <jose1711> no info on how much amperes it's able to provide
[19:45] <pksato> 1.9A for one hours.
[19:46] <jose1711> 2-hour runtime is good enough for me
[19:46] <SophieRxx> Only downside of salvaging parts from old electronics, working out what wire does what. :)
[19:46] <pksato> but, its is on theory.
[19:46] <IT_Sean> SophieRxx: that's half the fun!
[19:47] <SophieRxx> It is.
[19:47] <SophieRxx> I have a two digit 7 segment display, a bunch of buttons on it, some LED's I could use and about 10 wires.
[19:48] <IT_Sean> I'm sure you could come up with something clever to do with the 7 seg as well, and the buttons.
[19:48] <pksato> jose1711: set a multimeter and check tp1 to tp2 voltage.
[19:48] <pksato> get a multimeter
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[19:48] <SophieRxx> That's what I was thinking, not sure if I should desolder it from the pcb, or just try the wires first.
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[19:49] <IT_Sean> SophieRxx: have you worked with 7 segment displays, before?
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[19:49] <SophieRxx> Never. I'm still fairly new to electronics.
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[19:50] <jose1711> pksato: did so. it shows 0.4 volts
[19:50] <jose1711> (tp1 - tp2)
[19:51] <pksato> jose1711: or you RPi is damanged, or wiring is wrong.
[19:51] <IT_Sean> 7segs are squiffy to work with, sometimes. They are usually multiplexed (or some other form of *plex'd). Whatever is running them turns elements on/off really quickly, with no two elements on at the tame time.
[19:51] <SophieRxx> Yeah I'm reading about them on Gordons website
[19:51] <IT_Sean> You would have to see how that particular 7seg is wired, but, it's not as easy as "these leads go to this LED" etc...)
[19:51] <IT_Sean> I never quite got the hang of them. :p
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[19:52] <SophieRxx> There is 6 wires going to a connector, and then a pair of black and reds either side, so I presume the 6 would be the display
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[19:52] <mgottschlag> a 7seg has 8 wires
[19:52] <SophieRxx> ah poop
[19:53] <mgottschlag> or wait
[19:53] <IT_Sean> mgottschlag: not necessarily.
[19:53] <IT_Sean> :p
[19:53] <mgottschlag> forget it, you can get away with less
[19:53] <mgottschlag> but that would be totally ugly ^^
[19:53] <mgottschlag> (led matrix)
[19:54] <gordonDrogon> 7 seg has 9 wires ;-)
[19:54] <gordonDrogon> one for the dot and one for the common...
[19:55] <SophieRxx> hmmm
[19:55] <mgottschlag> actually, 8 elements could be controlled with a matrix with 6 wires
[19:55] <jose1711> ok. when rpi is OFF, it's showing 0.3 volts on testprobes
[19:55] <mgottschlag> so this would fit your count
[19:56] <SophieRxx> I have no idea
[19:56] <jose1711> and there seems to be no change when i plug the source in
[19:56] <mgottschlag> jose1711: the pi probably already draws too much current even when it is off
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[19:56] <jose1711> how do i do the conductivity test?
[19:56] <jose1711> like .. where do i find +/- on rpi?
[19:56] <catcher> anyone have experience benchmarking wiringpi-php's GPIO read speed?
[19:58] <catcher> I need to read an event in the ballpark of 500ms, and fire off an http get request when I get it.
[19:58] <wroberts1> do you have the ISR function in php?
[19:58] <catcher> the php lib would simplify the request, but wondering if it can poll fast enough
[19:58] <mgottschlag> SophieRxx: you could just try the wires one by one btw, just be careful and test with a low voltage
[19:58] <SophieRxx> That's what I was thinking of doing.
[19:59] <mgottschlag> the only problem is that you must not supply a voltage higher than the LED reverse voltage or you might break them
[19:59] <catcher> wroberts1, ISR?
[19:59] <SophieRxx> I can get a nice 16 x 2 LCD display pretty cheap, considering buying that too
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[19:59] <wroberts1> catcher: the one that calls your function on input pin change
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[20:00] <SophieRxx> There's resistors on the part I salvaged so I think I'll be okay with the voltage.
[20:00] <catcher> wroberts1, I'm planning on polling rather than interrupts.
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[20:00] <mgottschlag> SophieRxx: no
[20:00] <IT_Sean> heh
[20:00] <mgottschlag> that's not how diodes work unfortunately
[20:00] <SophieRxx> Told you I was a newbie. :)
[20:01] <mgottschlag> when you have X volts across diode + resistor, the voltage at the diode is always constant, say Y
[20:01] <mgottschlag> and the voltage at the resistor X - Y, and ohms law will give you the current
[20:01] <mgottschlag> so you can only modify the current, not the voltage at the LED
[20:01] <gordonDrogon> catcher, me... :)
[20:01] <SophieRxx> ahh of course.
[20:01] <catcher> gordonDrogon, yes, you! :)
[20:02] <wroberts1> catcher: ok. its just that interrupt edge sensitivty can respond faster and reduce cpu load from polling
[20:02] <gordonDrogon> 500mS is 2 events a second.
[20:02] <catcher> gordonDrogon, right-o
[20:02] <IT_Sean> Ohms Law is the law! No law breaking, SophieRxx! :p
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[20:02] <catcher> wroberts1, agreed, that would be wise if it's necessary.
[20:02] <gordonDrogon> easy if you're polling, but use ISR/waitforInterrupt for better control.
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[20:03] <catcher> gordonDrogon, is ISR only available in the C library?
[20:03] <gordonDrogon> catcher, a-ah - actually, I missed the bit about php there... Hm...
[20:03] <gordonDrogon> probably.
[20:03] <SophieRxx> I'll see if I can come up with any ideas with the bits I have at the moment.
[20:03] <gordonDrogon> I didn't do the PHP wrappers.
[20:03] <SophieRxx> Much less chance of damaging something.
[20:03] <catcher> gordonDrogon, did you make the python wrapper?
[20:03] <gordonDrogon> catcher, no - that's gadgetoid
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[20:04] <catcher> gordonDrogon, kk. this pi will be dedicated to this process. Worth it do the ISR and manually form the http request in C you think? Or just poll in PHP?
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[20:06] <mgottschlag> SophieRxx: you have a good 3.3v power source available for example, check about common reverse voltages for LEDs first
[20:06] <gordonDrogon> catcher, not sure exactly what you're doing - the php would only be run in response to a web page?
[20:06] <wroberts1> gordonDrogon: in my testing, the 1ms delay at end of wiringPiISR() might not be enough. i think i noticed sometimes the pin number didnt make it into the thread
[20:06] <gordonDrogon> what 1ms delay?
[20:07] <wroberts1> just after pthread_create()
[20:07] <gordonDrogon> ah, right. Hm. that's intersting.
[20:07] <SophieRxx> mgottschlag: Will do.
[20:07] <wroberts1> i think if the system is loaded, it could take more than 1ms. maybe a semaphore needed
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[20:10] <gordonDrogon> yes. looking at that now.
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[20:13] <catcher> gordonDrogon, super simple, the pi just needs to fire off an http request when it reads a 3.3v on either of 2 pins
[20:13] <catcher> (or 0 volts with pull-up configuration)
[20:14] <catcher> just checking a couple switches
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[20:16] <catcher> I was trying to run the whole webserver & db on the pi, but the control site is just too bloated to run on it.
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[20:16] <IT_Sean> catcher: you might need a server package with less overhead then.
[20:17] <catcher> IT_Sean, no doubt.
[20:17] <gordonDrogon> catcher, ah ok - so you use php to Get/Post a web page then?, etc.
[20:18] <catcher> IT_Sean, though in this case, serving it up outside the pi actually works better for this particular app, so it can be shared across multiple instances.
[20:18] <catcher> gordonDrogon, right.
[20:18] <gordonDrogon> catcher, you can do it in Bash using the gpio program in wiringPi v2, or poll it in v1.
[20:19] <gordonDrogon> if [ `gpio read $pin` = 1 ]; then php myscript.php fi
[20:19] <gordonDrogon> sort of thing :)
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[20:20] <gordonDrogon> wroberts1, do you have the beta of wiringPi v2 ?
[20:20] <wroberts1> i have it from git
[20:21] <gordonDrogon> ok
[20:21] <gordonDrogon> want to test a beat a of v2? :)
[20:21] <gordonDrogon> beta..
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[20:21] <wroberts1> from git?
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[20:21] <gordonDrogon> no - it's a wget/tar extract.
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[20:22] <wroberts1> ok
[20:23] <catcher> ah yeah, I suppose there's no need for the lib at that point.
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[20:23] <gordonDrogon> wroberts1, ok - cd ; rm -rf wiringPi ; wget -O- http://unicorn.drogon.net/wiringPi-2.4.tgz | tar xfz - ; cd wiringPi ; ./build
[20:24] <gordonDrogon> assuming you've not put your own code inside the existing wiringPi directories...
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[20:25] <wroberts1> alright. but right now i got one pi where interruptHandler() thread randomly gets pin 0, even though the thread starts with pin 25
[20:25] <gordonDrogon> hopefully that'll fix it.
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[20:28] <wroberts1> i have two pi, running on both
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[20:29] <wroberts1> it just gives me "wiringPiSPISetup: bad address"
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[20:30] <wroberts1> i call wiringPiSPISetup(1, 500000)
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[20:30] <grimeton> hi
[20:30] <kirior> sup all
[20:30] <gordonDrogon> you might need to relink your applications.
[20:30] <grimeton> i'm trying to figure out the revision of my board, but there is no imprint near the ethernet connector
[20:30] <grimeton> any hints?
[20:31] <gordonDrogon> grimeton, if it has 2 holes it's a rev 2.
[20:31] <grimeton> ah, ok, it does
[20:31] <gordonDrogon> it's a rev 2.
[20:31] <wroberts1> i did rebuild my application
[20:31] <gordonDrogon> wroberts1, Hm. bother.
[20:31] <grimeton> gordonDrogon: k, thanks
[20:31] <gordonDrogon> wonder what's broke in the SPI code then.
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[20:32] <kirior> i have a hdd that is plugged via USB to my o2 router. My Pi can see the network, (Windowd network) when i open it it can see a workgroup but when i try and open this it error that this is not mounted. I have followed this guide http://cagewebdev.com/index.php/raspberry-pi-connecting-to-a-network-drive/ and i was wandering should i maybe use //WOrkgroup/.... instead of IP or what am i doing wrong?
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[20:33] <gordonDrogon> wroberts1, ok - I can replicate that error - let me investigate now.
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[20:33] <wroberts1> i dont know where "Bad address" comes from
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[20:34] <wroberts1> nm /usr/local/lib/libwiringPi.so |grep SPISetup
[20:34] <pksato> kirior: you need to use ip or netbios name, not workgroup.
[20:35] <kirior> i have used ip as in the guide i pasted, no joy
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[20:36] <kirior> i will try and retrace my steps and report back at later time :)
[20:36] <pksato> kirior: ip of you nas, not ip on guide.
[20:36] <kirior> xD ip in guide is .xxx :P
[20:37] <pksato> you access this has form other OS?
[20:37] <pksato> ops...
[20:37] <pksato> you access this nas from other OS?
[20:37] <kirior> yes from windows works fine
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[20:37] <pksato> that is name of nas on windows?
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[20:38] <pksato> linked guide have a erro.
[20:38] <kirior> \\O2\Disk_a1
[20:39] <pksato> need a password?
[20:39] <kirior> nope
[20:39] <pksato> try this, smbclient \\O2\Disk_a1
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[20:39] <pksato> smbclient is a ftp like program do access windows shares.
[20:39] <gordonDrogon> wroberts1, it's coming from the error returned by the system. it's most odd
[20:39] <kirior> in etc/fstab?
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[20:40] <pksato> no, on some terminal (shell)
[20:40] <gordonDrogon> wroberts1, and that code hadn't changes since v1 either.
[20:40] <wroberts1> do you get it yourself?
[20:40] <gordonDrogon> wroberts1, yes.
[20:42] <pksato> or better, smbclient //O2/Disk_a1
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[20:44] <wroberts1> oh, errno = 14 after calling wiringPiSPISetup()
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[20:46] <gordonDrogon> wroberts1, yes.
[20:47] <wroberts1> the open() is ok
[20:47] <wroberts1> probably one of the ioctl
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[20:48] <gordonDrogon> wroberts1, ok - I have sorted it out. want to do an edit (3 changes) or want a new .tgz?
[20:49] <wroberts1> i can edit it
[20:49] <gordonDrogon> ok - edit wiringPiSPI.c
[20:49] <catcher> gordonDrogon, to clarify above, if I get wiringpi 2, how can I check pin vals via gpio util without polling?
[20:49] <gordonDrogon> catcher, when I finish writing it, you can do gpio wfi pin1 pin2 ...
[20:49] <gordonDrogon> catcher, and it'll wait until the right level happens, then return.
[20:50] <gordonDrogon> wroberts1, look for the line near the top that reads const uint8_t spiMode = 0 ;
[20:50] <\\Mr_C\\> how do i automate this ? modprobe snd_bcm2835
[20:50] <\\Mr_C\\> amixer cset numid=3 2
[20:50] <catcher> gordonDrogon, gotcha - does that handle the polling behind the scenes then?
[20:50] <gordonDrogon> wroberts1, and delete 'const' from that line and the next 2 lines (spiBPW and spiDelay)
[20:50] <gordonDrogon> catcher, it doesn't poll, but waits for the interrupt.
[20:51] <catcher> ooh, nice
[20:51] <gordonDrogon> catcher, so it's not a busy wait - uses no cpu.
[20:51] <gordonDrogon> wroberts1, write it out then make ; sudo make install, then re-run your program.
[20:51] <wroberts1> thats it, just thow three const?
[20:51] <gordonDrogon> yea, I got a bit carried away with myself.
[20:51] <catcher> gordonDrogon, is it a bash wrapper for ISR then?
[20:52] <gordonDrogon> I had 1 or 2 people suggest I start using constants so I did - and got carried away :)
[20:52] <gordonDrogon> catcher, yes - you coudl write a little C program to do it if you wanted to.
[20:53] <wroberts1> its ok, past that error now
[20:53] <gordonDrogon> wroberts1, ok - and hopefully the ISR/waitforInterrupt will pick up the right pin numbe.
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[20:54] <catcher> sounds like the utility is close, I'll just watch & wait! :)
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[20:59] <gordonDrogon> catcher, I'm not sure to allow multiple pins to watch though - it's a bother to parse and while its easy with bash-fu to run multiple concurrently, not many people have that skillz ...
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[21:04] <catcher> gordonDrogon, would it be a problem to run 2 concurrently as bg jobs?
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[21:09] <gordonDrogon> catcher, nope.
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[21:10] <grimeton> are there any hardware limits when it comes to writing to the sd-card?
[21:10] <grimeton> in terms of speed
[21:11] <gordonDrogon> yes - it's slow.
[21:11] <chithead> yes, the sd card itself and the soc interface
[21:11] <gordonDrogon> relative to todays disks/ssds, etc.
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[21:11] <grimeton> chithead: ok, the soc interface ... what is the possible max? any infos on that?
[21:11] <chithead> the interface is limited to around 20 mb/s. most class 10 cards will get you 10-20 mb/s
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[21:11] <nid0> most cards will top out in the ballpark of 20MB/s
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[21:12] <chithead> class10 cards are generally but not universally faster than class6
[21:12] <grimeton> the sandisk ultra i'm using can do a max of 15mb/s, actually doing 12mb/s in the usb cardreader
[21:12] <grimeton> so i was wondering if i should test even faster ones
[21:13] <chithead> the rpi sd interface is a bit.. special. so cards that are fast elsewhere are not necessarily fast in the pi
[21:13] <grimeton> i see
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[21:14] <chithead> http://elinux.org/RPi_SD_cards#Performance
[21:14] <grimeton> thanks
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[21:15] <grimeton> how do i figure out which class type the sd card is?
[21:15] <nid0> it should tell you on it
[21:15] <catcher> gordonDrogon, is 1.12 the newest v1 version?
[21:16] <chithead> look at the label on the card
[21:16] <nid0> little circle with a number on it
[21:16] <gordonDrogon> catcher, yes.
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[21:16] <grimeton> ah
[21:16] <grimeton> class 4
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[21:26] <Wessix> hi, i tried to plug in a device to raspberry pi but dmesg shows the following errors:
[21:26] <Wessix> [ 382.499902] usb 1-1.2: Product: Gadget Serial v2.4
[21:26] <Wessix> [ 382.499916] usb 1-1.2: Manufacturer: Linux with fsl-usb2-udc
[21:26] <Wessix> [ 382.503808] usb 1-1.2: can't set config #2, error -71
[21:26] <Wessix> [ 382.548616] usb 1-1.2: USB disconnect, device number 32
[21:26] <gordonDrogon> TV time. laters...
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[21:27] <dreamon_> How long will a sdcard survive? day and knight in action by raspberry?
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[21:27] <Wessix> i read something that this could be a kernel bug
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[21:27] <Wessix> here: http://linux.error-exception.org/article/1036774/usb+1-2%3A+device+descriptor+read+64,+error+-62 and here http://www.mail-archive.com/owfs-developers@lists.sourceforge.net/msg09500.html
[21:27] <Wessix> now what can i do?
[21:29] <Wessix> i tried to connect through a powerde usb hub so its no power issue
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[21:33] <geordie> dreamon_: do you mean survive as in filesystem surviving uncorrupted?
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[21:33] <geordie> or do you mean the sd card itself surviving?
[21:34] <geordie> the card itself should not wear out or otherwise become useless
[21:34] <\\Mr_C\\> is there a way to make a light blink to the access of the memory card?
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[21:34] <IT_Sean> \\Mr_C\\: there already is one
[21:34] <IT_Sean> ACT
[21:34] <catcher> gordonDrogon, wfi in v2 beta?
[21:34] <\\Mr_C\\> hmm
[21:34] <dreamon_> geordie, Yes. when will raspberry crashes, because of fails in filesystem because of the sdcard ist loosing function.
[21:35] <\\Mr_C\\> im playing a mpeg from shall and its not blinking
[21:35] <\\Mr_C\\> shall=shell
[21:37] <geordie> dreamon_: the sd card shouldn't lose function for years
[21:38] <dreamon_> geordie, That would be great.
[21:38] <geordie> however there are other causes of filesystem corruption
[21:38] <geordie> i had problems that i associated with overclocking
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[21:39] <geordie> i've also heard that one should be careful about handling the pi while it is running as static electricity can affect the sd card filesystem.
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[21:42] <cyp> hi
[21:43] <cyp> I'm trying to pilot my DSLR via usb on my raspberry
[21:43] <cyp> but the raspberry seems to lose my camera
[21:43] <cyp> anyone had tried something like this ?
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[21:46] <geordie> cyp: many have had issues connecting various usb devices to the pi
[21:47] <IT_Sean> You might need moar powah. Try a powered USB hub
[21:47] <cyp> hum
[21:47] <cyp> I'll try this
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[21:59] <gordonDrogon> catcher, just about to test it out...
[22:00] <catcher> gordonDrogon, awesome. With any luck, I'll have some time this week to help test too.
[22:01] <gordonDrogon> catcher, wget http://unicorn.drogon.net/wiringPi-2.5.tgz
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[22:03] <catcher> gordonDrogon, great, ty! wfi in the gpio util?
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[22:04] <gordonDrogon> catcher, yes - gpio wfi pin mode - mode is rising, falling or both.
[22:04] <gordonDrogon> you can use wiringPi pins, (default) bcm_gpio pins (-g) or hardware pins -1
[22:05] <catcher> there's a map of the wiringPi pins on your site compared to the physical gpio, right?
[22:07] <gordonDrogon> catcher, http://wiringpi.com/pins/
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[22:09] <catcher> gordonDrogon, I need to export pins to use the util, right?
[22:10] <gordonDrogon> catcher, nope. just type the command.
[22:10] <gordonDrogon> catcher, do you have it installed yet? I'll show you how to test it..
[22:12] <catcher> gordonDrogon, seems to be working great. I'm testing pin 0 on input by changing the internal resistor from up -> down while watching wfi falling
[22:13] <catcher> (output would be easier of course, but my application is input-only)
[22:14] <catcher> switching internal resistor back to up does nothing while watching falling, as expected.
[22:14] <gordonDrogon> catcher, that's how I test it :)
[22:14] <catcher> looks great! Now I just have to wire up my circuit and hope I don't burn my house down.
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[22:15] <catcher> thanks again gordonDrogon
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[22:16] <catcher> I'd like to connect my wires semi-pemanently - no solder, but moderately stable. Any ideas? I was thinking about making a foil sleeve to go over the pin. Probably a terrible idea for some reason.
[22:17] <gordonDrogon> sugru?
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[22:19] <catcher> gordonDrogon, good call. How about soft wax?
[22:19] <IT_Sean> heat shrink ?
[22:19] <catcher> I should probably test conductivity, shouldn't I?
[22:20] <catcher> yeah, that could work too
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