#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2013-04-17

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[0:26] <Tachyon`> is there any way to use the hdmi and composite output simultaneously with the pi?
[0:26] <Tachyon`> I realise it doesn't do it now but I mean is anything possible or is the composite output completely disabled when connected to an HDMI display
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[0:34] <cjdavies> Tachyon`: no, the BCM2835 doesn't support more than 1x display at a time
[0:34] <cjdavies> it's a hardware limitation, nothing that can be addressed with software/firmware
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[0:36] <SpeedEvil> well, you can attach a display over gpio/DMA too
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[0:37] <cjdavies> not really the same sort of display that you would connect to HDMI/composite though!
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[0:37] <kleanchap> I am new to raspberrypi. What Linux distro and development tools are used for raspberrypi?
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[0:38] <wroberts1> there are many choices, but raspian is the recommended
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[0:39] <kleanchap> is raspian a linux distro?
[0:39] * plugwash thinks that wroberts1 should learn to spell raspbian
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[0:40] <Nik05> kleanchap its a Gnu/Linux distro
[0:40] <Nik05> derived from Debian
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[0:42] <kleanchap> Nik05: Thnx. What is primary programming language used for raspberrypi? What IDE or GUI is popularly used?
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[0:42] <Nik05> C
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[0:42] <SpeedEvil> whatever you want
[0:43] <wroberts1> any language/ide you would use on a linux box
[0:43] <Nik05> well raspbian is mostly written in C
[0:43] <SpeedEvil> c, python, c++, perl, ...
[0:43] <Nik05> but choose what you want
[0:43] <SpeedEvil> intercal, Piet, Fortran, ada,
[0:44] <kleanchap> I am good with C and Perl.
[0:44] <wroberts1> lolcode, brainfuck, malbolge
[0:44] <Tachyon`> ah right, was afraid of that, thanks cjdavies
[0:44] <plugwash> SpeedEvil, hmm the name intercal vaugely rings a bell and i've never heard of piet
[0:45] <Tachyon`> so much for that idea of a small status display on the composite out -.o
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[0:47] <SpeedEvil> http://www.dangermouse.net/esoteric/piet.html
[0:47] <SpeedEvil> Tachyon`: model a as a composite' driver :-)
[0:47] <SwK> plugwash: quick question, and recommendations for a build platform for raspbian packages? I read about your i.MX cluster but saw something about it getting a bit long in the tooth
[0:47] <Tachyon`> that's overkill, lol
[0:47] <Tachyon`> I could probably drive a phone display via gpio
[0:47] <Tachyon`> or wait the required age for something dsi related to come along
[0:48] <Tachyon`> I want to make a little neo geo arcade cabinet with a pi though, especially as the new one is so terrible and just runs fba
[0:48] <Tachyon`> as the pi can run all the games full speed etc.
[0:48] <Tachyon`> (unlike the new neo geo)
[0:49] <Tachyon`> anyone tempted to buy one should watch this informative ashens review: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iHoOK5HCHA
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[0:55] <cjdavies> asking "what is the primary programming language/IDE for rpi" is the same as saying "what is the primary programming language/IDE for a computer" :P
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[1:02] <plugwash> SwK, depends what you want, the odriod U2 is fast, small and affordable and probablly a good choice for a personal buildbox, i'd be wary of using it for a hosted autobuilder though because of the dependence on USB
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[1:06] <MrTrick> I need to use an RPi gpio pin to enable/disable a car laptop charger. Any suggestions on components to achieve that?
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[1:06] <MrTrick> I'd prefer not to use a mechanical relay, due to the power wasted in the coil.
[1:06] <BurtyB> MrTrick, logic level mosfet?
[1:07] <pksato> solid state relay
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[1:07] <MrTrick> so, what'll work on 3.3V, and switch 70W @ 12-14V happily?
[1:08] <pksato> yes, have versiosn for 3v3
[1:09] <BurtyB> mosfet would prob be a lot cheaper tho :)
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[1:10] <MrTrick> thing is with mosfet... it'd be low-side switching? (interrupt the ground line) If I did that, the laptop potential might cause issues when connected to the RPi
[1:12] <SwK> plugwash: well quasi-personal autobuilder??? then push from there to a CDN
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[1:12] <plugwash> mmm, if the car charger is non-isolated then low side switching could end up just pushing the laptops ground current through the cable from the Pi to the laptop
[1:13] <SwK> opto-isolator driving a fet maybe?
[1:14] <plugwash> what i'd personally suggest is a P chanel fet for the switching and then use a N channel fet and pull up resistor to control the P channel fet
[1:14] <pksato> P channel + npn or opto-isolator.
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[1:14] <plugwash> SwK, if the box is going to be somewhere you can easilly fix it if things go wrong i'd probablly go with the odriod U2
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[1:15] <plugwash> i'd just be wary of using USB on a system I couldn't easilly get to if it crashed, maybe i'm being irrational (I haven't actually had the USB on the U2 fail me so far)
[1:15] <SwK> plugwash: I'll probably figure out a way to rack it here in my office??? it should go fine with the other mess of gear
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[1:16] <SwK> plugwash: I have a few FreeNAS boxes colo'd that boot from USB but they boot from a usb key hidden inside the chasis, so far so good there
[1:18] <plugwash> OTOH I don't really know what your requirements are, if your packages aren't all that big then a Pi may be sufficient
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[1:20] <plugwash> or a cubieboard which afaict is roughly equivilent to the imx boards we use now but much cheaper
[1:21] <MrTrick> plugwash: yep, makes sense.
[1:21] <MrTrick> Opto-isolator might be a good idea, simply for the extra idiot-proofing protection (a wiring error won't kill the pi pin)
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[1:23] <SwK> plugwash: freeswitch packages??? takes like 3 or 4 hours to build a complete debian style package on the rpi lol
[1:24] <plugwash> so a fairly short build then ;)
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[1:26] <plugwash> well compared to webkit anway
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[1:29] <Henesy> when setting up a boot partition do you need all of the start*elf files or just start.elf (same with the fixup*dat's
[1:29] <Henesy> *)
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[1:40] <Foxhoundz> Can the RPi run JVM?
[1:40] <Foxhoundz> or its open source implementations
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[1:48] <plugwash> On the open source side zero, cacao, jamvm and avian all seem to work and are available from the raspbian repositories
[1:49] <plugwash> oracle also have a propietary vm which outperforms the opensource ones but the hardfloat version of it is only available through an "early access" (read: more draconian license terms than usual) release of jdk8
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[1:49] <plugwash> Foxhoundz, in case it wasn't clear the last two lines were an answer to your question
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[2:21] <sheldor> guys whats the best free dyn dns service you can recommend?
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[2:24] <A124> sheldor: Why dyn-dns? For what it's needed today?
[2:24] <A124> But I love http://no-ip.com
[2:25] <sheldor> A124: huh what do you mean today? why wouldnt it be needed?
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[2:26] <sheldor> A124: for example to run a little webserver on my pi
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[2:43] <Foxhoundz> sheldor: I recommend http://freedns.afraid.org/
[2:43] <Foxhoundz> I think they allow you to attach your own domain name
[2:43] <Foxhoundz> and updating the dynamic IP is a matter of a simple wget call
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[2:48] <sheldor> thanks Foxhoundz!
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[3:27] <RIFLEISFINE> this channel is silent
[3:28] <Armand> NO IT'S NOT!
[3:28] <RIFLEISFINE> yay, someone talked!
[3:28] <Armand> didn't.... I'm imaginary!
[3:29] <Armand> I never lie, I'm in your head.. you won't lie to yourself, or will you?
[3:29] <RIFLEISFINE> All the time
[3:30] <RIFLEISFINE> latest pi build armand?
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[3:31] <Armand> Not really doing much with mine right now. :/
[3:31] <Armand> Far too focused on work.. and being ready to fly to NJ on Friday.
[3:32] <RIFLEISFINE> i dont even have mine yet, gonna order it. hopefully it gets here before the makerspace meeting
[3:33] <Armand> makerspace.. where's that at?
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[3:33] <RIFLEISFINE> mine is in witchita kansas
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[3:34] <Armand> Ohh, that's far too far.
[3:34] <RIFLEISFINE> like a hackerspace
[3:34] <Armand> I know.
[3:34] <Armand> I pester the guys at LHS. :P
[3:35] <Armand> London Hackspace.
[3:36] <RIFLEISFINE> oh, haha, yea way too far away
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[3:37] <Armand> I'll be in NJ on Friday.. but I won't be travelling around the States.
[3:38] <RIFLEISFINE> agh, NJ
[3:38] <RIFLEISFINE> not the best place, haha
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[3:41] <RIFLEISFINE> kansas is better, i guess, but really boring
[3:42] <RIFLEISFINE> never been to the makespace
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[3:55] <eanemaAtHome> hey! anyone awake who knows anything about using GPIOs through the kernel driver IE /sys/class/gpio?
[3:56] <RIFLEISFINE> none of us do
[3:58] <pksato> http://elinux.org/RPi_Low-level_peripherals#Bash_shell_script.2C_using_sysfs.2C_part_of_the_raspbian_operating_system
[3:58] <RIFLEISFINE> oh
[3:59] <RIFLEISFINE> i guess he dose
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[4:03] <vjacob> more caps please
[4:04] <vjacob> lets liven up this thing call irc
[4:04] <RIFLEISFINE> yes
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[4:28] <TheWarden> Hi, what does it mean when FDX, Link and 100 all blink in together at once? I have no network access oddly but then I just plugged that same cable into my laptop and it worked fine. I don't get it.
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[4:30] <Coolty> gordonDrogon: hiya
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[4:32] <xcadaverx> Could someone help me figure out why my raspberry pi is displaying such odd characters sometimes on boot? When i wake from sleep it sometimes displays like this. i think it may also be related to why my system crashes under high network loads, etc. What could cause something like this? http://i49.tinypic.com/1j85ea.jpg
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[4:34] <TheWarden> this is so frustrating, I have the Raspberry Pi setup and ready to go but can't use it with no network access at least for my needs. argh, I even hooked the other end of the cable into the router directly and then into a brand new switch into a different ports.
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[4:34] <xcadaverx> argh, disconnected. whoops
[4:34] <TheWarden> I have link light on router with laptop is plugged in but no link light when the raspberry pi has the same cable plugged in.
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[4:35] <TheWarden> same goes when plugged into switch.... mmm
[4:35] <eanemaAtHome> pksato: sorry, I walked away from the computer for a few mins... Thanks for the link, but my problem is a bit more specific. I try to control gpio0 and gpio1 (pins p1-03 and p1-05) using the method you linked to but it doesn't change the voltage on the pin...
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[4:35] <xcadaverx> does anyone know what could cause my Rpi to display characters like this? sometimes on boot, sometimes after loosing wifi dongle access. I've tried powering my RPi from a known working powered hub, and have tried with no peripherals plugged in.
[4:35] <xcadaverx> rem, link would help i suppose: http://i49.tinypic.com/1j85ea.jpg
[4:37] <pksato> eanemaAtHome: some pins can not used direct. Is on use for internal devices like I2C, ISP, UART, etc
[4:37] <eanemaAtHome> TheWarden: link is establish through hardware. If the link light does not go on then there is a problem with a physical connection ...
[4:38] <eanemaAtHome> are you SURE that I cannot use the GPIO pin as GPIO? only I2C? I don't think that sounds right...
[4:38] <pksato> use hight number IOs, like 23, 24
[4:38] <xcadaverx> i really don't know why tiny pic rotated my photo >_<
[4:38] <TheWarden> eanemaAtHome: yeah but the same cable plugged into a laptop works fine.
[4:38] <pksato> need to disable I2C function (unload module)
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[4:38] <eanemaAtHome> too late for that the board I built is already printed / fabed...
[4:38] <BlueMint> shiftplusone, you there?
[4:39] <eanemaAtHome> I don't believe the module is loaded yet, but I'll double chack that
[4:39] <pksato> these are userfull functions.
[4:39] <eanemaAtHome> also, TheWarden, try a different cable... regardless if it managed to work in one but not others... I've seen that before. Also look into autoMDX ... probably not the uissue but might be
[4:40] <eanemaAtHome> (well i haven't seen thtat with a pi, but I have seen that on some devices,,,)
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[4:45] <TheWarden> eanemaAtHome: well that is complete odd, I tried a different cable in another room and it worked fine. Yet the cable I was using before works fine with the laptop but not the Raspberry Pi. Argh... this cable is like 50 feet long not a easy replacement.
[4:45] <TheWarden> but then why replace when it works on the laptop.... why not Raspberry Pi. what the heck.
[4:46] <TheWarden> autoMDX?
[4:47] <TheWarden> if I plug this cable in all the way no lights come on yet if I plug a little it slides slightly and then all three lights begin to blink at once that's FDX, Link and 100.
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[4:49] <TheWarden> well I don't get it. I guess the cable has to be replaced even though it works fine in the laptop. dang, have to wait now to use the pi as this will cost me like 40 bucks or so to replace.
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[5:00] <TheWarden> well I guess that's it, thanks. ttyl
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[5:08] <xcadaverx> what could be causing my raspberry pi to do this? http://i49.tinypic.com/1j85ea.jpg
[5:09] <RIFLEISFINE> did you recently whack off onto it?
[5:09] <xcadaverx> nothing more than out of the ordinary
[5:09] <RIFLEISFINE> did you tell it to devide by zero?
[5:10] <xcadaverx> i've tried multiple different power supplies. I'm starting to think it could be the micro usb cable itself???it is one of those retractable skinny ones.
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[5:34] <buzzsaw> xcadaverx: did you try to cat a large binary file? :-)
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[5:35] <xcadaverx> buzzsaw: i didn't. this happens randomly. and when it happens, i usually cannot get my wifi dongle to work, so i'm starting to think these are interconnected issues.
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[5:36] <buzzsaw> is your wifi dongle running from a powered hub or directly connected?
[5:37] <xcadaverx> i've tried both. Its very finicky when used through powered hub, it rarely works.
[5:38] <ponos> I would try wired for a while. sans dongle
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[5:40] <xcadaverx> i've ordered another wifi dongle. i'll give that a try til it arrives
[5:41] <buzzsaw> perhaps like you said you have a crappy cable ;-)
[5:42] <ponos> Man. RaspBMC scans WAY faster when installed on a USB drive as opposed to SD card.
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[5:45] <ponos> it took48hoursto churn through 4.5TB of media. Now it looks like it might take 2 hours
[5:45] <ponos> space bar defficiency here.
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[6:11] <lkthomas> hey guys
[6:11] <lkthomas> does raspberry pi be able to hardware decode flash video ?
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[6:22] <jef79m> is anyone using / has used screenly? (www.screenlyapp.com)
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[8:02] <lkthomas> anyone still around ?
[8:02] <lkthomas> does TV tuner work without mpeg2 or VC-1 license ?
[8:02] <hybr1d8> tv tuner would - the mpeg2 license is just needed to enable hardware decoding of an mpeg2 stream
[8:03] <hybr1d8> so although the tuner will work without the mpeg2 license you might find that decoding high-def programs to display will be too much to be done in software
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[8:13] <Jck_true> lkthomas: Does indeed - I could run a TV tuner - But the video was lagging - Haven't tried getting the Mpeg2 license yet
[8:14] <Jck_true> Pretty sure our tv signals are h.264 encoded through
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[8:18] <lkthomas> Jck_true: so it's depend on the encoded type
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[8:20] <Jck_true> lkthomas: It *could* I never played much with my DVB tuner - But I fear it won't run HD video fast enough over the USB stack
[8:20] <lkthomas> it could, you need the license tho
[8:23] <Jck_true> Well - Our TV channels are broadcasted in MPEG-??/h.264
[8:23] <lkthomas> hmm
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[8:25] <Jck_true> But like I said - I never really played with it
[8:25] <lkthomas> right, ok
[8:25] <Jck_true> But recording to a file and playing the file afterwards got me slightly better results
[8:26] <lkthomas> LOL
[8:26] <Jck_true> (Still lagging video through - Even if i transfered the capture file to my pc)
[8:26] <lkthomas> that's bad
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[10:07] <virtx> hi
[10:08] <virtx> what kind version of cron is running on raspberry wheezy?
[10:08] <virtx> i just add in crontab: 2 * * * * user echo `date` > /tmp/test.txt
[10:08] <virtx> for run the eco every 2 minutes, but it doesn't work
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[10:12] <adeus> my crontab knowledge is hazy but that looks like 2 past every hour
[10:12] <adeus> */2 * * * *
[10:12] <virtx> yes, just fixed :D
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[10:18] <virtx> adeus: anyway it doens't run...
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[10:18] <virtx> i just use */1
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[10:21] <NetBat> Greetings pi pickers
[10:21] <adeus> */1 would be the same as *
[10:21] <adeus> every minute
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[10:25] <NetBat> was wondering folks, what's the longst period of time anyone's managed to run the Pi without a reboot?
[10:26] <nid0> I had a good couple of months on 2 of mine a while back
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[10:26] <nid0> there's no reason a pi wont run indefinitely
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[10:27] <NetBat> nid0: someone here, I think, has been running his since November.
[10:27] <Jck_true> I've run mine since first days of december - Only rebooted it 2-3 times when the router crapped out
[10:28] <virtx> depends, what rpi does?
[10:28] <nid0> NetBat: my point exactly, a pi will run until you restart it
[10:28] <virtx> i've tiny tiny rss on it, and it runs from 1 month
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[10:29] <NetBat> Jck_true: Ah, you're not allowed to reboot it. This is one continuous run.
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[10:30] <NetBat> Mind you, i would presume it also depends on what OS it's running.
[10:30] <nid0> not really
[10:30] <artag> I have one that was running for a couple of months but then went weird with a huge number of stuck processes. It's been OK for another 3 weeks so far
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[10:31] <NetBat> nid0: Try running MS Windows continously for six months.
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[10:32] <nid0> whats hard about that?
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[10:32] <nid0> people dont use win98 any more you know
[10:32] <NetBat> nid0: You'll notice a lot of performance issues after a couple of days.
[10:32] <nid0> uh
[10:32] <nid0> you what?
[10:32] <nid0> my workstation routinely goes 2-3 months without a reboot
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[10:33] <NetBat> nid0: did I even mention Wind 98?
[10:33] <kaste> nid0: do you ignore updates?
[10:33] <nid0> no, but you're spouting stereotypical rubbish about windoze being somehow unreliable, which hasnt been true since win98
[10:33] <kaste> While I second that windows runs fine for months, you get too many kernel updates where windows is really pesky about rebooting
[10:34] <NetBat> nid0: if you can't partake in a straightforward chitchat like a grown-up adult then I shall just add you to my ignore list.
[10:34] <nid0> I regularly hold back specific updates that need reboots
[10:34] <fakeer> I see Belkin F4U040 listed as verified but when I search on Amazon all I can find are F4U040v and F4U040-SA (postfix: v and SA). Shall they work too? Is there any difference among them?
[10:34] <nid0> just like I dont reboot my pi every few days for kernel updates
[10:34] <kaste> yeah, most linux distros aren't any better in that regard
[10:34] <kaste> debian's ok, arch just sucks in this regard
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[10:36] <NetBat> kaste: I am speaking from experience here, with different versions of Windows on different machines.
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[10:38] <nid0> if you've had instability or time-based performance drops with anything from win2000 onwards, its undoubtedly crappy software installed to it causing your problems
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[10:38] <nid0> or faulty hardware
[10:38] <NetBat> nid0: I doubt anyone shares your "undoubted" certainty about anything in this world, much less in the world of computer software.
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[10:47] <kaste> NetBat: you seem more biased than nid0 right now. While I like *nix better for various reasons, your assertions are fud
[10:49] <NetBat> kaste: Would you care to elaborate?
[10:50] <kaste> you haven't given any evidence to support your claim other than your experience
[10:50] <kaste> and mine is contrary
[10:51] <NetBat> kaste: Throughout my argument I asserted clearly that I was speaking from personal experience, I wasn't puntificating about anything.
[10:51] <NetBat> kaste: the evidence is empirical
[10:51] <NetBat> kaste: and you can go on telling me that yours is to the contrary till the cows come home.
[10:52] <NetBat> kaste: if,however, you want to stick up for your mate here then that's a differnet issue.
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[10:52] <NetBat> s/puntificate/pontificate/
[10:53] <gordonDrogon> morning pi peeps!
[10:53] <NetBat> morning :)
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[10:55] <kaste> let's get back to relevant things. does anyone have a schematic for a usb driven circuit breaker so i can remotely restart the pi from some other pc if it hangs
[10:56] <NetBat> kaste: just fo rthe record, only you chose to continue the circular argument
[10:57] <geordie> i quite like puntificate
[10:57] <geordie> i think it captures the essence of this discussion
[10:57] <geordie> ;)
[10:57] <NetBat> Geordie: I know, it sounds less plum-in-the-mouthy :)
[10:58] <mgottschlag> kaste: you need to build that yourself
[10:58] <nid0> kaste - not the answer to what you asked but a simpler alternative might just be to use the pi's hardware watchdog, it can reboot the system if it hangs
[10:58] <mgottschlag> I used a DSL router for that which had a usb port connected to a GPIO
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[10:59] <kaste> nid0: tried, didn't work really. Do you have a working config maybe?
[11:00] <gordonDrogon> kaste, there are plenty of commercial devices to do this.
[11:00] <kaste> mgottschlag: I realize that, I would just need a design for it
[11:00] <nid0> kaste: I dont have watchdog configured on my current images but its fairly straightforward to setup
[11:00] <nid0> http://blog.ricardoarturocabral.com/2013/01/auto-reboot-hung-raspberry-pi-using-on.html
[11:00] <nid0> seems to be a reasonable guide
[11:00] <kaste> gordonDrogon: won't help me, i need one usb connection and want to reboot 20 pis
[11:00] <nid0> what snag did you hit exactly
[11:01] <kaste> nid0: I ran the fork bomb test it didn't reboot
[11:01] <gordonDrogon> http://www.audon.co.uk/usb_digital/np8800.html
[11:01] <gordonDrogon> kaste, I think you'll find that will help you.
[11:01] <kaste> why?
[11:01] <gordonDrogon> if you want to reboot all 20 at one that is ..
[11:01] <mgottschlag> kaste: atmega, v-usb usb stack, and a mosfet - you need to do the software yourself though
[11:01] <kaste> no I drive 20 pis off of the same psu of the master
[11:02] <nid0> kaste: by default watchdog will only reboot the pi if it hangs totally, if its just loaded down from a fork bomb itll usually be able to still keep the heartbeat going - if you want it rebooting when under high load as well as frozen totally, you could configure a ping test
[11:02] <kaste> that means i can reboot the master board and all 20 cycles, but I would like to insert a usb controlled circuit breaker in between so i can reboot them selectively
[11:02] <gordonDrogon> ok - it's fairly trivial. ATmega, a couple of shift registers, either solid state relays of machanical ones via e.g. uln2803 and some software. a days work. job done.
[11:03] <gordonDrogon> use a serial interface to the atmega (so use an arduino for ease of building)
[11:03] <gordonDrogon> write program to run on PC to send serial commands down the wires to the atmega.
[11:04] <gordonDrogon> put it in a box and sell it as a competitor to an APC masterswitch for a fraction of the price. 3. profit.
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[11:04] <kaste> nid0: the problem is that will then not trigger in a situation where if the load doesn't go down, it won't reboot and I still can't get control over it again
[11:04] <gordonDrogon> I'd probably use mechanical relays and use the normally closed terminals to power the Pi's.
[11:05] <gordonDrogon> so you only power the relays to interrupt power to the Pi.
[11:05] <nid0> kaste: there are a number of options to configure that, you should make sure initially that watchdog's config has the realtime variable set to no
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[11:05] <nid0> with it set to yes, thats getting the daemon locked into memory so that itll keep updating even if the system's badly loaded down
[11:05] <kaste> ok thank you I'll try that first before building something custom. watchdog would be a lot easier
[11:06] <nid0> watchdog can also perform a specific load test on either the 1 5 or 15 min average
[11:06] <nid0> so you could set it to trip on the 5 minute average topping 20, for example
[11:06] <gordonDrogon> I've not used the Pi's watchdog, but I have seen a situation where a Pi won't reboot after having it's 3.3v supply shorted - it needed a full power cycle - hopefully you're not abusing the gpio like that though :)
[11:09] <kaste> I would never do that :p
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[11:19] <gordonDrogon> hacktually ... I wonder if a little PSU might be handy for my own use like that - trouble is, I have half my Pi's on one side of the room and half on the other .
[11:21] <Tachyon`> at least you don't have a pain in all the pis down your right side
[11:21] <gordonDrogon> true.
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[11:28] <geordie> just ordered another unassembled gertboard...
[11:28] <NetBat> GordonDrogon: How many do you have?
[11:30] <gordonDrogon> only 4!
[11:30] <gordonDrogon> (only)
[11:31] <gordonDrogon> geordie, who's selling unassembled gertboards ??
[11:31] <gordonDrogon> I thought Tandy had sold out by now.
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[11:41] <geordie> gordonDrogon: http://abra-electronics.com - in montreal
[11:44] <nid0> here's still wishing for a poe pi to get proper cheap remote reboot capability :(
[11:46] <zastaph> yaay my raspberry arrived
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[11:47] <mike_t> nid0, why you need to remotely reboot?
[11:48] <jelly1> nid0: why can't you remote reboot?
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[11:48] <geordie> we (my six year old son and i) received our gertboard last fall, but have only just begun to assemble it. (i ended up becoming a keyholder at the local hack space)
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[11:50] <gordonDrogon> geordie, intersting! Wonder how they got them...
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[11:51] <gordonDrogon> nid0, PoE kit costs almost as much as a Pi does...
[11:51] <geordie> yeah i was surprised to find them, and in canada even
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[11:52] <nid0> gordonDrogon: eh? you can buy 4-port poe switches for like ??35, thats barely any more than 4 half decent microusb wallwarts
[11:52] <geordie> we got a free rpi out of the deal with the first gertboard, as newark screwed up and shipped out rpis instead of gertboards to quite a few customers, then let everyone keep the rpis at no charge
[11:52] <gordonDrogon> nid0, do the cheap ones have a web interface to control the power? However I was actually thinking on the Pi end, not the switch/psu end...
[11:53] <nid0> and integrating poe into the pi itself isnt inherently that expensive, its just a different design of jack
[11:53] <nid0> and obv plumbing it into the power circuitry
[11:53] <gordonDrogon> Hm. you need to take 48v and convert to 5v...
[11:53] <geordie> almost three in the morning here - good night
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[11:59] <gordonDrogon> nid0, Hm. maybe coming down in-price: http://linitx.com/product/13266 but you still need a cable to go from the barrel connector to ?USB...
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[12:00] <nid0> a couple of places do sell ready-made injector/splitter kits for the pi now that output at 5v and come with a microusb, not sure where exactly I saw them though
[12:01] <gordonDrogon> ok
[12:02] <gordonDrogon> OT, but anyone know how to find a list of operators for a given freenode channel?
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[12:04] <nid0> crikey, someone's even done a (very expensive though) poe shield: http://www.xtronix.co.uk/raspberry-pi-poe.htm
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[12:05] <gordonDrogon> ?55!
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[12:18] <Tachyon`> hrm, PoE must be more complicated than I thought if it needs all that
[12:19] <gordonDrogon> PoE works by superimposing 48volts on-top of the Ethernet signals.
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[12:19] <gordonDrogon> so at the simplest, you need a DC to DC convertor at the far-end to take the 48v off the Ethernet wires, convert it to whatever you need, then feed the ethernet minus the 48v into the real ethernet socket...
[12:20] <Tachyon`> ahh
[12:20] <gordonDrogon> however additionally, there is some signalling that goes over it too to control the current supplies to the target device. (or work out if the target is not PoE capable when the switch is supposed to disable it.
[12:21] <gordonDrogon> so PoE switches have a lot of additional widgetry inside and the target devices are slightly more complex than you might imagine.
[12:21] <gordonDrogon> If you fed 48v into the Pi's ethernet socket directly and the switch didn't turn it off, then the ethernet socket on the Pi will get hot and might even smoke...
[12:22] <gordonDrogon> I know this from experience of feeding 18v into one once via a passive injector...
[12:22] <Tachyon`> yes, I imagine it wouldn't like that much, lol
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[12:22] <gordonDrogon> I recognised the smell before smoke though... but it was too hot to touch.
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[13:28] <zastaph> 2013-02-09-wheezy-raspbian.zip is the recommended OS for raspberry right? is a new version out due soon? I could wait a few days to install
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[13:29] <gordonDrogon> zastaph, just use that one.
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[13:30] <gordonDrogon> once installed, you need to update it anyway - then you should do an update every week or 2 - and it'll keep itself up to date.
[13:30] <zastaph> and if a new one arrives i guess apt-get dist-upgrade will fix that?
[13:30] <gordonDrogon> yes.
[13:30] <gordonDrogon> the first update is going to update about 150 packages from what I recall.
[13:31] <zastaph> i presume i do the firmware upgrade from within raspbian using Hexxeh
[13:31] <gordonDrogon> er,
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[13:32] <gordonDrogon> well I haven't since I switched to the standard rasbian distribution.
[13:32] <Tachyon`> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-22146456
[13:32] <gordonDrogon> apt-get dist-upgrade will upgrade a kernel though - if the foundation has pushed a new one out.
[13:35] <zastaph> should I do rpi-update before or after dist-upgrade
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[13:36] <kaste> zastaph: should be independent
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[13:39] <gordonDrogon> zastaph, I've not done rpi-update for a long time - it's not needed IMO unless you feel you need some new bleeding-edge kernel update.
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[13:40] <gordonDrogon> zastaph, since you're just starting, I'd just concentrate on booting your Pi first, then apt-get update / upgrade / dist-upgrade before doing anything else.
[13:40] <zastaph> just most sd card tests said something about firmware helping with issues
[13:40] <zastaph> i just want the least issues possible
[13:40] * gordonDrogon shrugs.
[13:40] <gordonDrogon> if your SD card has issues, you won't be able to do the rpi-update anyway.
[13:40] <gordonDrogon> just get it going first, then see how you get on.
[13:41] <zastaph> so not all firmware upgrade are good?
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[13:45] <gordonDrogon> I don't know. I do know that I've not needed it in the past 6 months,
[13:45] <gordonDrogon> however at one point apt-get dist-upgrade did upgrade the firmware and kernel.
[13:46] <gordonDrogon> So I would do what I suggested - just instll the system as it is right now, do the apt-get update/upgrade/dist-upgrade and be happy.
[13:47] <gordonDrogon> then if something you run doesn't work and googling suggest a firmware upgrade, then I'd do that.
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[13:48] <zastaph> ok
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[13:51] <zastaph> lol the download page says to "verify the image with the SHA-1 chcksum provided above" .. but what you really need to verify is the zip file
[13:52] <zastaph> now I need to download it again :|
[13:52] <gordonDrogon> no
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[13:52] <gordonDrogon> oh hang on - yes it's the zip file.
[13:52] <gordonDrogon> had this issue with someone locally recently too.
[13:53] <gordonDrogon> they were checksumming the wrong file.
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[13:53] <gordonDrogon> the wording is confusing.
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[13:59] <steve_rox2> yay they sell jail broken pi's on ebay now based on this listing
[13:59] <gordonDrogon> whu?
[13:59] <gordonDrogon> does not compute...
[13:59] <steve_rox2> indeed
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[14:01] <gordonDrogon> a-ha. e.g. item: 140954902461
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[14:02] <steve_rox> i figure its to trick fools or to help them in the search tags
[14:02] <gordonDrogon> yes.
[14:04] <steve_rox> got any interesting pi projects in mind lately?
[14:07] <jelly1> setup a scanner/printer server ;)
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[14:07] <steve_rox> fun
[14:07] <steve_rox> i did think about the printer server idea
[14:07] <linuxstb> Hmm, "Raspberry Pi Ultimate XBMC Media Center run Xbmc better than any other "jailbroken" or other streaming internet device!!!" isn't quite the truth ;)
[14:08] <steve_rox> anything to make a sale
[14:08] <jelly1> lolwut
[14:08] <jelly1> I have one for XBMC, second dunno yet
[14:09] <Jck_true> steve_rox: One as webserver - One with RaspBMC - One as master for my "computerized" work desk - One for tinkering
[14:10] <steve_rox> been buyin too many?
[14:10] <mumbles> jelly1: i dislike xbmc
[14:10] <jelly1> mumbles: because?
[14:10] <Datalink> I need to get more... I only have one
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[14:11] <Datalink> and it's the old rev 1 B
[14:11] <Datalink> so it has crap for RAM
[14:11] <mumbles> although it works, i cant quite get it to work as it should.
[14:11] <jelly1> mumbles: maybe you're doing it wrong :P
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[14:11] <mumbles> i do have it on a 2nd sd card
[14:11] <Jck_true> steve_rox: No - I actually need 2 more :P
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[14:11] <Datalink> steve_rox, mine is typically a printserv at my house, feeding a 6 year old HP all in one
[14:12] <mumbles> so at some oint i will try with
[14:12] <steve_rox> ive only got one myself and it still doesent have a grand single purpose
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[14:12] <jelly1> Datalink: printer server should be nice, I still ahve to try to get a scanner server working
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[14:12] <mumbles> i have mine running as a bedside pc
[14:12] <steve_rox> wouldent be able to get my scanner on it , its parallel :-P
[14:12] <jelly1> lol
[14:12] <Datalink> jelly1, heh, I need to get the scanner working, and I wanna do a whole house automation thing going
[14:13] <Datalink> steve_rox, what about a parallel to USB cable?
[14:13] <jelly1> plan to run xbmc + scanner + printserver
[14:13] <steve_rox> think i had something like that
[14:13] <jelly1> but then I'll have to stop using openelec :(
[14:13] <steve_rox> it was lacking if i rember
[14:13] <jelly1> steve_rox: I have a parrellel cable :P
[14:13] <steve_rox> i had a usb to parallel for my old printer , it was unable to send all data to it
[14:14] <Jck_true> steve_rox: http://dx.com/p/usb-2-0-to-cn36-parallel-printer-adapter-cable-100cm-23202?Utm_rid=58973692&Utm_source=affiliate
[14:14] <Jck_true> Worht a try for 4.30
[14:14] <steve_rox> like special printer cmds
[14:14] <steve_rox> heh
[14:14] <Datalink> I wanna set mine up to be whole house automation, after I move I'm gonna start getting remote control outlets, and a kinect to hook up to either my Pi or the old laptop I use as a house server
[14:14] <steve_rox> im not sure i could get the drivers for the scanner anyways
[14:14] <steve_rox> really old thing
[14:15] <Datalink> .... you severely underestimate the power of Linux geekery... it's probably a kernel module
[14:15] <Jck_true> Old printer? Don't worry - Means the driver was just commited last week then :)
[14:15] <steve_rox> only way i could get it going before was a parrellel pci addon and then thu vmware to older software :-P
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[14:17] <steve_rox> manged to install that omxplayer beta the other night and got it playing many vids at once like a channel surfing display thing
[14:17] <Datalink> seriously, search for Linux support for it, you'll find it
[14:17] <Jck_true> steve_rox: Install? It's included with the default distro
[14:18] <steve_rox> omxplayer is there by default but i dont think it distributes this version thu auto update
[14:19] <steve_rox> its able to play many vids at once and the cpu etc barely breaks a sweat
[14:20] <Jck_true> Many videos at once? :| Like the videowall thing that's been posted?
[14:20] <steve_rox> sept on one display
[14:21] <steve_rox> that vid wall was cool :-)
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[14:28] <Jck_true> I got some loose plans towards making an audio book player for my moms kitchen stereo
[14:29] <steve_rox> :-)
[14:29] <Jck_true> When you're in AUX mode on the stereo the player ignores the CD controls (FWD, Play, Pause etc) I could decode those and control the playback on the pi
[14:30] <steve_rox> using the composite 3.5 display i thought why not make it some bed side clock pc thing but it gets warm and warm means energy waste
[14:31] <steve_rox> pitty the pi doesent end video signial when it blanks screen or lcd would go into off mode
[14:31] <Jck_true> I power mine from the standby 5v line on an ATX PSU - Then a reuse an old remote to power the main supply on and off :)
[14:32] <steve_rox> heh :-)
[14:32] <Jck_true> steve_rox: /opt/vc/bin/tvservice -o ?
[14:32] <steve_rox> does that effect composite or hdmi only?
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[14:33] <Jck_true> Should affect both
[14:33] <steve_rox> hmm
[14:33] <steve_rox> ill turn on tv and check
[14:33] <Jck_true> Not sure if a composite tv allows to detect this
[14:34] <steve_rox> i shall try anyways
[14:35] <steve_rox> wow it worked that was unexpected :-P
[14:36] <steve_rox> now whats the toggle back on cmd line haha
[14:36] <Jck_true> tvservice with no parameters for the help :)
[14:39] <steve_rox> errr
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[14:39] <Jck_true> tvservice -c
[14:40] <steve_rox> says it requires argument
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[14:45] <steve_rox> iam unable to reinable it
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[14:48] <steve_rox> guess i wont be using that cmd again in a hurry
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[14:51] <Jck_true> steve_rox: Guess it means "Read the docs before trying" :D
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[14:52] <Jck_true> -c, --sdtvon="MODE ASPECT" Power on SDTV with MODE (PAL or NTSC) and ASPECT (4:3 14:9 or 16:9)
[14:52] <noia> I have a couple of network drives I want my RasPi to see, how would I go about doing that?
[14:52] <Armand> Connect a webcam ?
[14:52] <steve_rox> iam attempting that command
[14:52] <noia> T_T
[14:52] <steve_rox> keeps saying invalid argument
[14:52] <Jck_true> noia: Mount them - Depending on their type
[14:53] <noia> Armand: that'd not really the kind of "see" i had in mind :P
[14:53] <Armand> Sorry, noia.. couldn't be helped. :P
[14:53] * noia is now known as SpecialEmily
[14:53] <Jck_true> pi@raspberrypi ~ $ tvservice -c "PAL 16:9"
[14:53] <Jck_true> Powering on SDTV with explicit settings (mode:2 aspect:3)
[14:54] <SpecialEmily> Jck_true: One is a dedicated NAS, the other is an Airport Extreem...thingy
[14:54] <steve_rox> finally i got it , thanks
[14:54] <steve_rox> ill note down stuff :-)
[14:55] <steve_rox> not sure if its working but screen is black so thats a start
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[14:55] <Jck_true> SpecialEmily: Want the really long version?
[14:56] <Jck_true> SpecialEmily: https://wiki.samba.org/index.php/Mounting_samba_shares_from_a_unix_client
[14:56] <Jck_true> Thats for "Windows" shares
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[14:57] <Jck_true> (SMB)
[14:57] <SpecialEmily> yea, but theres no windows involved in this =\
[14:57] <Jck_true> So what protocol are the discs shared over? SMB? AFP?
[14:57] <SpecialEmily> ...yes?
[14:58] <Jck_true> You use macs around your house?
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[14:58] <SpecialEmily> They show up on both my mac and my gf's windows machine
[14:58] <Jck_true> I would go with my first link :)
[14:58] <SpecialEmily> at least, I know they're on my mac, can't verify about the SMB just yet
[14:59] <Jck_true> They most likely support SMB - (And I believe to support AFP you need to install more stuff on the raspberry)
[14:59] <linuxstb> Does Windows even support anything else apart from samba?
[15:00] <Jck_true> linuxstb: WebDAV? :D
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[15:00] <ok_> hi all
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[15:03] <SpecialEmily> are there any security precautions I should be taking with my RasPi?
[15:04] <SpecialEmily> I want to move it into the DMZ but I'd rather not have it get owned super fast. Can I set up auto-updates etc?
[15:04] <SpecialEmily> I also want to move it to key-only SSH rather than passwords
[15:05] <Jck_true> If you pick a strong enough password that really won't make a difference :)
[15:05] <ok_> got a 2mo on the bike planned for the summer and it seems like a good time to also get into playing with the gpio stuff on the pi. i visualise some evenings somewhere quite and pretty with the laptop and the pi making leds light up etc! and id like to get to the stage of little autonomous type projects would be in reach: maybe a little robot or home environment controls or something. I'm tossing up between the pi cobbler an
[15:05] <ok_> the gertboard. anyone got an opinion on add-on boards for getting into this sort of thing? i really just want flexibility to play!
[15:05] <zastaph> expand_rootfs is a nobrainer right? there is no reason not to do it?
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[15:06] <Jck_true> FUCK SAKE! You stupid indian spam callers!
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[15:07] <Jck_true> They have begun calling me back after I hang up on them
[15:07] <ok_> keep a whistle next to the phone
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[15:07] <ok_> they'll learn
[15:10] <SpecialEmily> If you are in the US you can use Google Voice to block incoming calls from specific numbers
[15:10] <Jck_true> Europe - And they call with hidden ID
[15:10] <gordonDrogon> SpecialEmily, it won't get owned unless you're running vulnerable services or use weak passwords.
[15:10] <kaste> I like the whistle idea
[15:11] <gordonDrogon> if you whistle, they get wise to it and call back with a whistle.
[15:11] <gordonDrogon> just put them on hold and get on with your life.
[15:11] <Jck_true> fun game #3 is convincing the guy on the phone he needs to talk to some obscurly named person that's on vacation this week
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[15:12] <kaste> lol, give them the jehova's witness speech
[15:12] <IT_Sean> I use google voice to route my incoming calls based on who's calling.
[15:12] <gordonDrogon> that wastes your time...
[15:12] <Jck_true> And you win when they call back asking for "Hackbart" (Born on iceland - So he doesn't have a firstname or a lastname - just the name "Hackbart"
[15:12] <IT_Sean> Most calls get passed on to my mobile.
[15:13] <SpecialEmily> IT_Sean: calls that you feel should have been blocked?
[15:13] <IT_Sean> te he he...
[15:13] <IT_Sean> Spam calls get routed to a disused fax machine in the basement of my old high school.
[15:13] <kaste> that effectively is a whistle :P
[15:13] <SpecialEmily> lmao
[15:13] <IT_Sean> Yup.
[15:13] <SpecialEmily> I approve :D
[15:14] <IT_Sean> I <3 google voice
[15:14] <SpecialEmily> ^-^
[15:14] <SpecialEmily> Glad you like it
[15:15] <IT_Sean> I ported my old mobile number to it when i moved so i could keep the same number i'd had for years, and had memorized.
[15:15] <Armand> At work, we've decided that we're going to have a special hold line for crank-calls..
[15:15] <Armand> Nothing but Justin Beiber.
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[15:15] <IT_Sean> damn... that's a bit harsh, innit?
[15:15] <kaste> rad idea
[15:16] <maumushi> you're lucky to have g. voice service.... here we can't
[15:16] <IT_Sean> :(
[15:16] <IT_Sean> bummer
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[15:16] <IT_Sean> It is handy having two numbers.
[15:17] <IT_Sean> (my actual mobile number, and the number that GV forwards to my mobile)
[15:17] <SpecialEmily> GV is pretty ace :D
[15:18] <IT_Sean> indeed.
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[15:19] <maumushi> i guess, so you can decide what number block ... it could be worthy put an asterisc on pi but i'm too lazy to do that
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[15:20] <gordonDrogon> I have found an oddity in some Pi's pin settings at boot time.
[15:20] <gordonDrogon> I have 4 pi's. 2 have their I2C pins set to output mode and held low. 2 have them set to input mode.
[15:20] <gordonDrogon> one if a Rev 1 and the other is a Rev 2.
[15:20] <gordonDrogon> this is most odd.
[15:20] <Jck_true> "We are not selling anything - We are simply conducting a survey into... " *Hangs up*
[15:21] <zastaph> what memory_split should I select for a server
[15:21] <kaste> as few gpu mem as possible
[15:21] <ok_> as likitle gpu as poss
[15:21] <ok_> op
[15:21] <zastaph> and what is as little as possible without ruining ssh performance
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[15:22] <kaste> ssh needs nothing (also it doesn't use the gpu
[15:22] <Jck_true> zastaph: 16MB is minimum
[15:22] <ok_> i couldn't get arch too boot on less than 64 last night but read 16 is poss
[15:22] <zastaph> 64 it is
[15:22] <Jck_true> ok_: 64 is needed to drive a fullHD display
[15:22] <ok_> this was headless
[15:23] <ok_> i was puzzled
[15:23] <Jck_true> If your display is not connected just set it down to 16
[15:23] <zastaph> 32 then :)
[15:23] <zastaph> better safe than sorry
[15:23] <ok_> you can get to config.txt pretty easy anyhow so just have a play, i did
[15:23] <kaste> my rapsbian needs 16 no more
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[15:25] <gordonDrogon> if you have asterisk you can program in a call menu system that will keep them busy for a while - if you care to.
[15:25] <gordonDrogon> otherwise go and buy a trucall device (if in the UK, maybe europe too)
[15:27] <Jck_true> 2 problems - 1) They are actual humans calling - Not a robot - 2) ALOT of companies and goverment institutions use VOIP systems these days - And they all show up as blocked caller ID
[15:28] <maumushi> i used to have a fritzbox but wifi part was very bad and when it passed out i didn't care to replace
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[15:30] <zastaph> hmm i changed my password from raspi-config now I can't login.. username is pi right?
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[15:32] <zastaph> maybe i did it before i did configure-keyboard, oh joy
[15:32] <Armand> derp
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[15:33] <gordonDrogon> Jck_true, trucall handles blocked caller ID. So do I - I don't answer the phone.
[15:33] <gordonDrogon> although I have some 2nd-level code that does answer the phone with blocked caller ID and asks the caller for a PIN to get through.
[15:33] <gordonDrogon> zastaph, yes username pi.
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[15:34] <gordonDrogon> Jck_true, and not all voip systems show up as withheld - that's a decision of the implementor/telco. My voip systems present a proper phone number.
[15:34] <Jck_true> gordonDrogon: I wish that was an option here - but banks, insurance companies etc
[15:35] <Davespice> shit
[15:35] <Davespice> whoops, sorry folks, wrong window selected!
[15:35] <artag> if everyone declined calls that were made with blocked IDs, they'd soon have to wake up
[15:35] <IT_Sean> Davespice: [insert warning here... you know the rules... bla bla bla]
[15:36] <Davespice> it was a mistake
[15:36] <IT_Sean> I know ;)
[15:36] <artag> I think passing no-ID calls to an answering machine is reasonable. spammers rarely leave messages
[15:36] <IT_Sean> I prefer passing them to a fax machine.
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[15:39] <zastaph> phew, reasoned myself to the password looking at different keyboard layout pictures :)
[15:39] <IT_Sean> nicely done.
[15:39] <zastaph> what happens when you type the password wrong 10-20 times? does it get logged somewhere
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[15:42] <gordonDrogon> zastaph, yes, but only to a file on your pi, nowhere else (by defualt)
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[15:42] <zastaph> thats what I meant, know which file?
[15:43] <nid0> itll be in /var/log/auth.log
[15:43] <zastaph> ok
[15:44] <zastaph> i dont think my raspberry needs to be behind UPS.. surge protector should be ok
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[15:46] <ok_> anyone got an opinion on where best to start generic gpio fiddlings? pi-cobbler? gertboard? other?
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[15:49] <gordonDrogon> breadboard, some jumper wires, LEDs, resistor sand buttons.
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[15:49] <IT_Sean> ^ wot 'e said
[15:49] <gordonDrogon> e.g. https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/gpio-examples/tux-crossing/
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[15:49] <gordonDrogon> you can make it as easy & cheap as you want, or spend 100's ...
[15:49] <DeliriumTremens> i read the last word as "burritos" and thought you must be some sort of genius
[15:49] <DeliriumTremens> nothing like waking up in the morning to the smell of solder and burritos
[15:50] <gordonDrogon> prefer bacon myself...
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[15:50] <DeliriumTremens> you can put bacon in a burrito
[15:50] <neilr> Solder and bacon is just perverse
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[15:52] <ok_> ah ok that's great thanks. but surely i am soon going to find myself feeling a bit limited. is there not a reasonably general board (with some logic on it) that is likely to cover most angles a beginner in the area is likely to want to explore?
[15:53] <ok_> that (with some logic..) was supposed to include a "?"
[15:53] <gordonDrogon> who knows. I think a breadboard will take you a long way.
[15:53] <gordonDrogon> you can plug logic into it.
[15:53] <IT_Sean> ok_: gotta learn the basics somewhere... get some LEDs, a pushbutton, and some bits of wire and expariment... then get fancy.
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[15:53] <ok_> or am i just wrong and the flexibility of a breadboard will be helpful
[15:53] <neilr> I had good fun twiddling with my Gertboard
[15:54] <neilr> Learned a lot
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[15:54] <neilr> Not the cheapest way to experiment with GPIO stuff though
[15:54] <gordonDrogon> breadboards with stuff plugged in: http://wiringpi.com/about/more-testing-game-of-life/ and http://wiringpi.com/about/testing-wiringpi-v2/
[15:54] <DeliriumTremens> you should try a tortillaboard
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[15:55] <SpecialEmily> Is there a way to get Modipy on my RasPi w/o having to flash an entirely new image?
[15:55] <ok_> neilr: thanks, it looks to be a very flexible platform but given its one of the more pricey add ons i wanted to be sure it would suit a beginner
[15:55] <gordonDrogon> the gertboard isn't really an experimenters system though - it's an (expensive) protection system..
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[15:56] <ok_> gordonDrogon: nice OT - i made a killer game of life algorithm at uni, would love to get that out again
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[16:02] <gordonDrogon> ok_, well don't try it on an 8x8 grid!
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[16:29] <zastaph> i measured my raspberry to 3.3 watt idle
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[16:45] <skinkie> would anyone here have experience with Gentoo on a Pi?
[16:46] <Coffe> that can not be fun .. compiling everything ..
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[16:46] <jelly1> lovely i/o
[16:47] <jelly1> or crosscompiling all the things
[16:47] <skinkie> I am compiling with distcc, so that doesn't really hurt that much
[16:47] <skinkie> but I have some issues with libpthread which signals an illegal instruction
[16:47] <jelly1> ah fun
[16:48] <gordonDrogon> I've heard of a few people putting Gentoo on the Pi - seems to work, just takes a while to get going.
[16:48] <maumushi> bye all
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[16:48] <skinkie> Basically what I am making is a Raspberry Pi with systemd
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[16:49] <skinkie> Hoping for really 'instant' boots
[16:50] <skinkie> but with checking out the coredump of systemd i saw it failed on pthreads, which I am now trying to solve :)
[16:50] <shiftplusone> might make more sense to just use Arch
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[16:51] <skinkie> shiftplusone: why would that be 'better'?
[16:52] <shiftplusone> You just flash it and it has systemd up and running. No need for all the masochism.
[16:52] <gordonDrogon> I can live with a 30 second boot time on my Pi's.
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[16:53] <skinkie> shiftplusone: serious question, does that already included systemd and likes?
[16:53] <skinkie> because i am not compiling everything because i 'like' to
[16:53] <shiftplusone> If I understood your question (I am not sure what you mean by "and likes"), yes.
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[16:54] <skinkie> mmm... if this thing fails, I'll check that out, thanks for suggesting. the other thing I have added is booting from f2fs, that does require something special, but I'll see how far that gets me
[16:55] <shiftplusone> good luck
[16:55] <skinkie> thanks :)
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[16:59] <zastaph> did anyone disable journaling on ext4 as suggested at http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/169/how-can-i-extend-the-life-of-my-sd-card
[17:00] <jelly1> no
[17:00] <jelly1> zastaph: why would you do that
[17:00] <zastaph> see the initial question on the page?
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[17:04] <zastaph> i disabled swap
[17:04] <zastaph> disabling noatime seems tempting too
[17:04] <zastaph> but journaling sounds a bit risky
[17:04] <jelly1> pfft
[17:04] <gordonDrogon> did you see the first answer that suggests it will last 27 years anyway?
[17:04] <jelly1> I bet the SD card will survive
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[17:05] <gordonDrogon> I've yet to have an SD card failure, and I use swap and do local compiling, etc.
[17:05] <gordonDrogon> disabling noatime is more a performance issue - it's worthwhile.
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[17:05] <zastaph> and disabling swap doesnt really break performance right?
[17:06] <gordonDrogon> who knows.
[17:06] <gordonDrogon> you need swap - sometimes.
[17:06] <gordonDrogon> but if it's swapping, then it will be slow.
[17:06] <gordonDrogon> that's the nature of swap.
[17:06] * IT_Sean swaps zastaph's raspi with a small toad.
[17:06] <IT_Sean> THAT is the nature of swap!
[17:07] <gordonDrogon> if you run lots of X windows applications then it probably will swap. (or need it)
[17:07] <jelly1> or use the lovely OOM killer
[17:07] <zastaph> yeah its a server, so no X. im just gonna stick with disabling swap and noatime then
[17:07] <gordonDrogon> oom boom ...
[17:07] <gordonDrogon> personally, I'd leave swap in and increase the "swappiness" of the system, but no-one else seems to agree with me on that one.
[17:08] <gordonDrogon> but I end up with more free ram than most...
[17:08] <jelly1> 'enabling noatime'
[17:08] <gordonDrogon> in /etc/fstab: /dev/mmcblk0p2 / ext4 defaults,noatime 0 0
[17:08] <zastaph> yes enable
[17:08] <clever> ive got a weird idea
[17:08] <clever> what if you put some sram on the gpio header, and configure that as swap?
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[17:08] <buzzsaw> eww using swap on a SD card?
[17:08] <zastaph> its already enabled
[17:09] <gordonDrogon> clever, it would be slower to access than the SD card.
[17:09] <gordonDrogon> zastaph, you want to disable atime, so noatime in /etc/fstab
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[17:09] <clever> gordonDrogon: yeah, i think you could only get 20mbyte/sec best case out of the gpio
[17:09] <zastaph> i meant it already says noatime for my ext4
[17:09] <gordonDrogon> good.
[17:09] <zastaph> my LBA is still a small FAT32 :)
[17:10] <clever> ive just added cpu freq and cpu temp graphing on my pi, i can now monitor it all from cacti
[17:10] <gordonDrogon> the first partition is FAT, yes. it needs to be.
[17:12] <zastaph> im gonna keep my pi running 24/7
[17:12] <gordonDrogon> a lot of people do.
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[17:13] <zastaph> power and LAN is only connections I need
[17:13] <gordonDrogon> late lunchtime ...
[17:13] <geordie> morning
[17:13] <clever> i had left mine hanging off the back of the tv for months, power+lan+hdmi
[17:14] <clever> but now its on my desk and i only power it up when editing things
[17:14] <IT_Sean> mine runs 24/7 with power, lan, and HDMI, as an xbmc rig
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[17:16] <eanema> hey! Does anyone here know how to access gpio0/gpio1? ... I know how to set the direction/value/enable/disable the gpio in /sys/class/... but for some reason GPIO0 and 1 downt want to respond. These can be configured as SPI but I was lead to believe that the default action for the pin wass GPIO, yet I cant manage to change the voltage on the line... any thoughts?
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[17:27] <tpw_rules> hello. is the pi a good platform for ARM development and experimentation?
[17:27] <tpw_rules> i'm looking to create my own OS for fun
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[17:28] <chithead> for learning it is ok, there is even a course in os development for pi already: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/freshers/raspberrypi/tutorials/os/
[17:28] <shiftplusone> A bit lacking in the documentation department for such things. But I think it's still a good start if you follow tutorials like the one above.
[17:28] <chithead> for arm development it is not so suitable because it lacks many features of modern arm cpus
[17:29] <JohannesG> Anyone here got access to the Bittorrent Sync alpha?
[17:29] <woshty> what is with the indiecity group on the official raspberry image? what is it for?
[17:29] <JohannesG> I did this morning, and I noticed they got arm version of the client! :D
[17:29] <shiftplusone> woshty, the pistore
[17:29] <JohannesG> planning to test it out on my Pi this evening
[17:30] <woshty> shiftplusone: what is the pistore? even root is a member ..
[17:30] <tpw_rules> chithead: what sort of stuff is it missing?
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[17:31] <clever> chithead: does the jtag header allow you to debug code on the arm core?
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[17:31] <tpw_rules> i'm not too experienced with ARMs
[17:31] <shiftplusone> woshty, http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/2768 http://store.raspberrypi.com/projects. Indiecity are the guys who ported their client for raspberrypi. Not sure why the group is there, but that's where it's from.
[17:32] <woshty> shiftplusone: there is a package called pistore but it is not installed. hmm, so i should be save getting rid of that entry in groups? I will just try ..
[17:33] <shiftplusone> should be safe
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[17:36] <woshty> shiftplusone: Thank you.
[17:36] <shiftplusone> np
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[17:40] <gordonDrogon> eanema, I know...
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[17:41] <gordonDrogon> eanema, but you don't quite have the right idea about it though.
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[17:42] <eanema> gordonDrogon: continue :) what am I missing?
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[17:49] <gordonDrogon> eanema, what are you actually trying to achieve?
[17:50] <eanema> I want to output 3.3v or 0v on gpio0 and gpio1
[17:50] <gordonDrogon> eanema, if you want to change a pin value, then you need to know the pin number.
[17:50] <gordonDrogon> and there are several pin numbering schemes...
[17:50] <gordonDrogon> method one - fiddlie with /sys/class/gpio/...
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[17:51] <eanema> the pin two pins im looking at right now are gpio0 and gpio 1, they correspond to p1-03 and p1-05
[17:51] <gordonDrogon> method 2: get the wiringPi package and use the 'gpio' program to do all that for you.
[17:51] <eanema> I intend to use /sys/class/ for my current issue
[17:51] <gordonDrogon> if you want to use method one, then you need to know that gpio0 is really bcm_gpio 17. gpio 1 is bcm_gpio 18, gpio 2 is bcm_gpio 22 on a rev 1 or bcm_gpio 27 on a rev 2.
[17:52] <gordonDrogon> ok - well to be frank with you, while it's a good way and "the traditional way", I found it a fiddle, so I wrote a bunch of programs to make it easy for me.
[17:52] <gordonDrogon> so I'll tell you how to do it using my gpio program, or point you to google and the elinux wiki for the rest.
[17:53] <eanema> ok, so what gpio is p1-03 and p1-05.... i thought they were gpio 0 and gpio 1
[17:53] <eanema> ?
[17:53] <gordonDrogon> yea, so dod many.
[17:53] <gordonDrogon> but you need to know the mapping relationship.
[17:54] <gordonDrogon> so p1-03 and pi-05 are the I2C pins.
[17:54] <eanema> yes, but they are also GPIO by default...
[17:54] <gordonDrogon> in /sys/class/gpio (aka bcm_gpio) terms, they're pins 0 and 1 on a Rev 1 Pi, and 2 and 3 on a Rev 2 Pi.
[17:54] <gordonDrogon> so you need to know what Rev. Pi you have.
[17:54] <eanema> i have a rev 2
[17:55] <gordonDrogon> and see this table: http://wiringpi.com/pins/
[17:55] <gordonDrogon> so you want to fiddle with exporting pins 2 and 3.
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[17:55] <gordonDrogon> and hope your code never runs on a Rev 1...
[17:56] <eanema> hehe, ya me too... why the hell did that even switch? seems pretty non-backwards compatible...
[17:56] <gordonDrogon> who knows. ask the foundation.
[17:56] <eanema> ya, simple thing to do is check what revision your running on...
[17:57] <IT_Sean> I would build that into your code... so that you don't cause issues if you are running on a rev1 pi
[17:57] <gordonDrogon> gpio -v
[17:58] <eanema> of course... does wiringPie access the /sys/class/ structures of does it use the kernel driver?
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[17:58] <gordonDrogon> the kernel driver /is/ /sys/class/gpio ...
[17:58] <gordonDrogon> however, you can also memory map the hardware directly.
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[17:59] <eanema> the only reason that I want to use the filesystem access method is because I want a non-root user to have access to the gpio pins and I was going to do that by changing default write permissions of gpio files
[17:59] <gordonDrogon> witingPi uses both methods
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[17:59] <gordonDrogon> eanema, the gpio program can do the exports for you, and it does the permissions changes at the same time.
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[18:00] <eanema> cool, I'll look into using wiringPi... this is a C library?
[18:00] <gordonDrogon> e.g. 'gpio export 1 read' will do the export commands (and you can run it as a normal user), then you can run a program that uses the pin directly.
[18:00] <gordonDrogon> yes, C.
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[18:00] <gordonDrogon> your program can then open the /sys/class/ device, or call wiringPiSetupSys() and then use digitalRead() and digitalWrite() functions.
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[18:00] <gordonDrogon> which then use the /sys/class/gpio interface.
[18:01] <eanema> so do I need root privileges to change gpio config?
[18:01] <eanema> and read and write to gpio?
[18:02] <eanema> I would expect that I do but I haven't tried it yet...
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[18:04] <gordonDrogon> the gpio program (part of wiringPi) is normally installed set-uid root.
[18:04] <gordonDrogon> so that can be called to fiddle with the gpio and setup the exports in /sys/class/gpio for a user-level program to run using the GPIO.
[18:05] <gordonDrogon> the gpio program can itself be used to read/write the gpio - so you can use it from bash scripts for example.
[18:06] <gordonDrogon> see for example: http://project-downloads.drogon.net/files/gpioExamples/tuxx.sh
[18:06] <gordonDrogon> or in C: http://project-downloads.drogon.net/files/gpioExamples/tuxx.c
[18:07] <eanema> cool, setuid, so what are the default mode for the file? I'll be running it from an apache cgi ... so as user nobody I believe...
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[18:08] <eanema> will this user have execute permissions on the gpio utility?
[18:08] <gordonDrogon> yes.
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[18:08] <eanema> cool, thanks
[18:08] <gordonDrogon> unless you change it.
[18:08] <gordonDrogon> I wrote it to really test the underlying wiringPi library, but it's been so useful in its own right - for me anyway.
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[18:09] <gordonDrogon> if I want to set a gpio pin to 1, then it's a quick command to type.
[18:09] <gordonDrogon> etc.
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[18:09] <gordonDrogon> apache is usually installed as user/group www-data.
[18:09] <eanema> ya, thats pretty convenient
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[18:10] <gordonDrogon> so any cgi would normally be run as user www-data - unless you're using the suexec mechanism.
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[18:10] <gordonDrogon> then it's run as the user of the directory that the cgi program lives in.
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[18:11] <eanema> ya, user www-data would need to have the ability to run this exec
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[18:11] <eanema> i don't really want to use suexec
[18:12] <clever> i prefer using lighttpd and php-fpm
[18:12] <eanema> why so?
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[18:12] <clever> seems to generaly be faster and use less ram when configured right
[18:13] <eanema> gordonDrogon: i notice in your C example in the setup() fcn, you check the uid... if (geteuid () != 0) then exit if not root
[18:13] <eanema> ya, probably, apache is not a light weight application
[18:14] <eanema> hence the name: lighttpd
[18:14] <eanema> :)
[18:14] <clever> www-data 2428 0.5 0.3 118884 13040 ? S Apr11 54:17 /usr/sbin/ligh tpd -f /etc/lighttpd/lighttpd.conf
[18:15] <clever> 13mb usage for lighttpd, and its single process, so that doesnt multiply, ever
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[18:15] <eanema> ya, I may look into using lighttpd... apache is kinda a pain to configure properly ...
[18:15] <clever> and thats a production system that is getting 13 hits/sec right now
[18:15] <eanema> oh, nice
[18:16] <gordonDrogon> eanema, oh yes - that's old code now - wiringPiSetup() does the check for you.
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[18:16] <gordonDrogon> eanema, howeve that program is using the memory mapped hardware interface, so it needs to run as root anyway.
[18:16] <eanema> ya, but I thought you don't need root privileges to access gpio...
[18:17] <gordonDrogon> eanema, if you call wiringPiSetupSys() instead of wiringPiSetup() then it uses the pre-exported /sys/class/gpio interface instrad.
[18:17] <eanema> ah, cool
[18:17] <eanema> gotcha
[18:18] <gordonDrogon> if you do that, then you need to have the pins pre-exported before running the program, so a boot /etc/init.d/ type script using the gpio program for example to do the exports.
[18:18] <eanema> is there an API for wiringPi? i don't see it on the webpage
[18:18] <eanema> ok, cool
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[18:18] <gordonDrogon> http://wiringpi.com/reference/
[18:19] <gordonDrogon> actually, that's the new site - almost ready to launch - the current site is https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/wiringpi/
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[18:20] <clever> eanema: lighttpd by itself cant run php, so you then need an fcgi server running at the same time
[18:21] <clever> i'm using php-fpm, configured to run 35 processes at once, each takes ~25mb right now
[18:21] <clever> but the pi probly doenst need any more then 5 at once
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[18:23] <eanema> "After discussions and inspection of many programs written by users of wiringPi and observing that many people don?t bother checking the return code, I took the stance that should one of the wiringPi setup functions fail, then it would be considered a fatal program fault and the program execution will be terminated"
[18:23] <eanema> I don't like this... FYI
[18:23] <gordonDrogon> Yup.
[18:23] <eanema> :)
[18:24] <clever> thats a point where exceptions would have been of use
[18:24] <eanema> exactly!
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[18:24] <gordonDrogon> your program will crash and burn if the GPIO is not setup corectly. I'm just crashing & burning it for you :)
[18:24] <eanema> haha, I suppose, but I would like it to crash and burn how I think it should...
[18:24] <gordonDrogon> really - you'll only get that if you call wiringPiSetup() without being root - since in that mode you absolutley need to be root, then there really is no point going on.
[18:25] <clever> if you dont want it to crash and burn, check for root yourself, and dont call it!
[18:25] <gordonDrogon> that's in wiringPi v2 - not officially released yet though - and I have 'hooks' into it to use an environment variable to restore the old mode whereby it returns error codes.
[18:25] <eanema> ya, although, I am intending to use the sys interface so I hopefully shouldn;t need root priv
[18:27] <gordonDrogon> clever, sure - so in that case all you'll do is stop the program after printing an error message says "oops - need to be root". I'm just saving you the effort :)
[18:27] <eanema> problem is with crashing you assume that the only thing the program does is GPIO work...
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[18:27] <eanema> if it is a CGI program that is also doing simple GPIO toggling then you don't get a website displayed, no error message - nothing
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[18:28] <gordonDrogon> export WPI_ERROR_CODES=1 ; ./myprog
[18:28] <eanema> and if the error dumped to the terminal is to stderr, you wont even see that on the output
[18:29] <eanema> I'm not really complaining FYI, I'm sure I can make it work for me...
[18:29] <gordonDrogon> it sounds like you can actually program. sadly I'm seeing 1000's who're writing programs via the 'copy & paste' method )-:
[18:29] <eanema> lol, I'm a professional developer
[18:29] <gordonDrogon> programmer.
[18:29] <gordonDrogon> you write programs, you're a programmer :)
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[18:30] <eanema> I'm just trying to figure out how to use the GPIO ;)
[18:30] <gordonDrogon> or a software engineer (which I much prefer)
[18:30] <eanema> i sure am a programmer!
[18:30] <eanema> I'm technically an electrical engineer but I work with software WAY too much
[18:31] <eanema> in fact, thats pretty much all i do
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[18:33] <dddh> usb wifi adapter "ASUSTek Computer, Inc. USB-N53 802.11abgn Network Adapter [Ralink RT3572]" works ^_^
[18:34] <gordonDrogon> :)
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[18:34] <clever> bbl
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[18:38] <gazzwi86> I installed a cron type package previously that checks a folder for new files then runs a script, but I have forgotten the name of the package. Anyone got any ideas what it might be?
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[18:38] <rpitin> gazzwi86: cron? >.>
[18:38] <rpitin> Sorry, im being cheeky.
[18:39] <gazzwi86> rptin: can cron do that?
[18:39] <eanema> gordonDrogon: wiringPiSetupSys() ... Pin number in this mode is the native Broadcom GPIO numbers. So does this mean that software written using this is sensitive to changes in RPi revisions?
[18:39] <gazzwi86> I thought I had to install a package to do it
[18:39] <rpitin> Cron can periodically run scripts, you would simply create a bash, perl, python script and then schedule it.
[18:40] <rpitin> gazzwi86: this may help http://www.unix.com/shell-programming-scripting/178440-bash-script-new-file-ftp-folder.html
[18:40] <rpitin> im more of a python guy, but bash scripts may be your best bet if you dont have a scripting language of choice.
[18:41] <rpitin> at least for the task you mentioned
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[18:44] <gazzwi86> rptin: I've been doing some py scripting. The files are created by py. I have wav files being created I then need to convert to mp3 and compress
[18:44] <zastaph> pi user is meant for administration right? do you make users for yourself for everyday use?
[18:45] <gazzwi86> rptin: could it be done in py?
[18:46] <rpitin> gazzwi86: should be able to do it.
[18:46] <rpitin> gazzwi86: http://pymedia.org/
[18:47] <rpitin> gazzwi86: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2032403/how-to-create-full-compressed-tar-file-using-python
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[18:50] <gazzwi86> thanks
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[18:53] <rpitin> gazzwi86: no worries
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[19:26] <gpd> I'm having issues with my Wi-Pi. Connection only stays up if an ethernet cable remains connected.
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[19:26] <gpd> even when logged in via ssh on the wifi IP address - unplugging the ethernet cable causes new connections to not be possible.
[19:26] <arcanescu> how is it Wifi if you have an ethernet connected?
[19:27] <gpd> two IP addresses... eth0 needs a cable but i'm connected on wlan0
[19:27] <arcanescu> put the eth0 down and set the wlan0 up
[19:27] <gpd> unplugging the eth0 cable causes some kind of hotplug cascade that breaks something -
[19:27] <arcanescu> see if that helps
[19:27] <gpd> tried that- same issue
[19:27] <arcanescu> ifconfig eth0 down
[19:28] <arcanescu> ok hmmm
[19:29] <arcanescu> put this in yout /etc/network/interfaces : http://pastebin.com/P7hANsc8
[19:29] <arcanescu> *your
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[19:30] <gpd> I had pretty much exactly that - but ill try again
[19:30] <arcanescu> then/etc/init.d/networking restart
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[19:33] <gpd> ok - eth0 cable in, restart nw, got DHCP offer on wlan0. all fine
[19:33] <gpd> now tail things in /var/log
[19:34] <gpd> then unplug cable...
[19:34] <arcanescu> so it works now?
[19:34] <gpd> no - that's always worked
[19:34] <gpd> this is the bit that's busted...
[19:34] <arcanescu> ok now when you unplug the cable it doesnt
[19:34] <arcanescu> yes?
[19:34] <gpd> unplugging the network cable now causes the wlan0 to not be responsive
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[19:35] <gpd> yes - suddenly no route to host on the wifi IP address
[19:35] <arcanescu> now with the cable unplug try: /etc/init.d/networking restart
[19:35] <arcanescu> does it come back to life
[19:35] <arcanescu> ?
[19:36] <gpd> yes - can now access via wifi ip
[19:36] <arcanescu> hmmmmm
[19:36] <gpd> ok - will leave that for 30 mins - see if it is stable
[19:36] <arcanescu> put the cable back in again see if it messes it up
[19:37] <arcanescu> also try : iwlist wlan0 scan ----
[19:37] <arcanescu> see if it can see the ap's ... once you unplug the cable
[19:38] <arcanescu> how are you connecting the wifi dongle... is it through a powered usb hub?
[19:38] <gpd> replugging seems to not effect
[19:38] <gpd> tried usb and not-
[19:38] <gpd> have to run for 20 mins
[19:38] <arcanescu> it could be a power issue.... folks here in the channel might be able to advise on power issues
[19:39] <IT_Sean> Actually, all the channel staff are invested in major suppliers of powered USB hubs, so... :p
[19:39] <IT_Sean> So, yeah... buy more powered hubs. :p
[19:39] <arcanescu> IT_Sean: I want in
[19:40] <arcanescu> IT_Sean: where do i signup for shares?
[19:40] <IT_Sean> arcanescu: sorry... channel staffers only.
[19:40] <arcanescu> IT_Sean: come on... exceptions are always welcome...
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[19:40] <zastaph> what version of git comes with apt-get git-core on raspbian?
[19:41] <IT_Sean> The only exceptions i am aware of are the sort you get when someone writes horribly buggy code, arcanescu.
[19:41] <arcanescu> IT_Sean: does that inherently imply that all supported periphirals for the PI operate like that :P? .... be it cameras, SD cards or wahtever
[19:41] <IT_Sean> Of course! :p
[19:41] <Scriven> gpd, I haven't had your specific problem, but I can confirm that insufficient power does cause many strange problems. With my pi I couldn't have wifi (plugged direct) and ethernet working together, but when I run from my battery (lots of amps available) it works perfect, so double-check your power source.
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[19:42] <arcanescu> IT_Sean: ive not written any buggy code :( my code is always clean ..... if you want i could try #define true FALSE #define false TRUE
[19:42] <Scriven> and I can't stick around I'm afraid, have to run out to get a kid from preschool very soon.
[19:42] <IT_Sean> Give that one a go, arcanescu
[19:42] <IT_Sean> Scriven: who's kid?
[19:42] <Scriven> my youngest. ;0
[19:42] <Scriven> ;) even.
[19:42] <IT_Sean> you've got offspring!?
[19:42] <Scriven> oldest is almost done grad 1
[19:42] <IT_Sean> O_O
[19:43] <arcanescu> IT_Sean: so the PI foundation isnt that charitable afterall yes? :)
[19:43] * Scriven is 40 this year IT_Sean ...
[19:43] <arcanescu> IT_Sean: eventually its all down to "business"
[19:43] <IT_Sean> arcanescu: you do realize i was joking, right? :p
[19:43] <IT_Sean> wow... Scriven is Old.
[19:43] <Scriven> IT_Sean forgot the /sarcasm tag. ;p
[19:43] <Scriven> IT_Sean, tell me about it!! :(
[19:43] <IT_Sean> Well, you see... you are old!
[19:43] <IT_Sean> There... i just toldyou about it.
[19:43] <Scriven> the Rpi reminds me of my first computer, Apple ][+ (clone even!)
[19:43] <IT_Sean> :p
[19:44] <Scriven> :P
[19:44] <Scriven> lol
[19:44] <Scriven> we didn't even have a case for it for about the first year, nor a disk-drive, only audio tape!
[19:44] <Scriven> my carpenter father made the case for it, and then we finally upgraded to disk drives!
[19:44] <Scriven> and a 300-baud modem! :D
[19:44] <IT_Sean> ooooooh
[19:44] <Scriven> feel the speed!
[19:44] <IT_Sean> wow... 300 baud. Impressive :p
[19:45] <Scriven> It was hella-fast at the time! lol
[19:45] <IT_Sean> Scriven: the last time a 300 baud modem was "hella fast", dinosaurs roamed the earth.
[19:46] <Scriven> yeah, I used to ride a triceratops to school!
[19:46] <Scriven> uphill, both ways!
[19:46] <IT_Sean> In the snow?
[19:46] <Scriven> of course!
[19:46] <IT_Sean> backwards?
[19:46] <Scriven> Wow, it's like you were there!!
[19:46] <Scriven> lol
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[19:46] <IT_Sean> I wasn't... i'm only 27! :p
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[19:47] <arcanescu> IT_Sean: absolutely.... its all jokes,games n fun :]
[19:47] <Scriven> until someone loses an eye... then it's a sport!
[19:47] <IT_Sean> Indeed
[19:47] <arcanescu> Scriven: Exactly that was my next line
[19:47] <Scriven> ;)
[19:47] <arcanescu> good on ya
[19:47] <Scriven> that joke's older than IT_Sean ...
[19:47] <IT_Sean> Most things are.
[19:48] <arcanescu> well im 27
[19:48] <Scriven> only 13 years difference ... but it's a pretty wild 13 years!
[19:49] <Scriven> Something really weird for me to think about... when my dad was 20, I was born! So imagine yourselves with 7-year-old children. ;)
[19:49] <IT_Sean> that's a horrifying thought.
[19:49] <Scriven> I'm not sure how I survived! lol
[19:49] <Scriven> certainly is!
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[19:49] <Scriven> but again, 40's too old to have young children, the happy medium's somewhere in between.
[19:49] <IT_Sean> Children really need a fast-forward button, or a cheat code, to bypass the whole poo-larvae stage.
[19:49] <arcanescu> well im 27 and i look 20.... i cannot tell you the number of times ive had to show ID card for alcohol :/
[19:50] <Scriven> Bah, the poo is the least of the worries!
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[19:50] <Scriven> arcanescu, i'm the opposite. Went to a strip club for new years eve while still a teenager. ;)
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[19:50] <arcanescu> ive even had to show it for getting petrol for the car... the lady at the counter said why arent you at school and ask your dad to come and pay for the petrol ....
[19:50] <Scriven> lol!!!
[19:50] <IT_Sean> lol
[19:50] <Scriven> yeah, that could get annoying fast...
[19:51] <IT_Sean> Aye.
[19:51] <arcanescu> well it was the most embarassing moment ever...
[19:51] <Scriven> Bah, ok, clock says I have to run again.
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[19:51] <arcanescu> anyways..
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[19:51] <Scriven> arcanescu, reminds me of that scene from Dazed and Confused, when the kid buys the beer. "You're 21 right?" "Yeah, just got a job with the city..."
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[19:51] <Scriven> if you haven't seen it you must. ;0
[19:51] <Scriven> ttyl.
[19:53] <arcanescu> ttyl will do
[19:53] <zastaph> hmm ppa:git-core/ppa doesnt exist for wheezy
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[20:06] <zastaph> i need git 1.7.10
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[20:25] <gpd> thanks all - i'll test teh power issues. currently wi-pi seems stable plugged through a powered usb hub
[20:26] <gpd> is the lore that things are less stable when plugged directly into the RPi?
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[20:26] <zokeber> Hi
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[20:27] <zokeber> the mirror http://raspbian.ufms.br/raspbian/ is down?
[20:28] <shiftplusone> looks fine from here
[20:29] <clever> Scriven: my dad has been carded on ocasion when buying beer at a resterant :P
[20:29] <clever> and i'm of age, so he must be too :P
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[20:40] <gpd> why does unplugging keyboard & mouse trigger a reboot?!
[20:40] <gpd> [unplugging usb hub]
[20:40] <IT_Sean> General raspi USB squidgy-ness
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[20:40] <gpd> yuk
[20:40] <IT_Sean> aye
[20:41] <shiftplusone> I have heard of plugging devices in causing a reboot, but not unplugging. O_o
[20:41] <gpd> could be either - unplugged usb hub - plugged in Wi-Pi.
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[20:41] <gpd> not sure which did it
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[20:42] <shiftplusone> Ah, then it would be the wi-pi
[20:42] <gpd> presumbably this is a 'feature'
[20:43] <IT_Sean> t'was probably the plugging in
[20:43] <shiftplusone> I don't understand it 100%, but it's to do with the (lack of?) decoupling capacitors
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[20:44] <IT_Sean> Could it be easily solved by someone with more soldering skill than good sense?
[20:44] <shiftplusone> yes
[20:44] <IT_Sean> how easily?
[20:45] <shiftplusone> I think a low ESR capacitor of sufficient capacity on the usb rail power rails would do the trick.
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[20:45] <IT_Sean> 'cause although i may have more soldering skill than good sense, i still haven't got much of either. :p
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[20:45] <shiftplusone> Triffid_Hunter or Viper-7 would be able to answer that question properly, I think.
[20:45] <mgottschlag> IT_Sean: you probably don't even need much soldering skill
[20:45] <steve_rox> :-D hehe
[20:46] <mgottschlag> but I could imagine one possible problem
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[20:46] <mgottschlag> linear voltage regulators don't like being powered from the output side (which is happening once you remove power to the micro usb port
[20:47] <mgottschlag> so one might have to add a diode between 3.3v and 5v, so that the 5v rail will never be below 2.x volt when the 3.3v rail is still powered (by capacitors)
[20:47] <shiftplusone> ah you mean the cap would discharge into the regulator? What's likely to happen then?
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[20:47] <mgottschlag> I only know a german side discussing that problem, but linear regulator datasheets sometimes have schematics with that diode
[20:48] <mgottschlag> I don't really remember what the problem was though
[20:48] <shiftplusone> I know I have hooked up regulators wrong and they seem to hold up fine >.>
[20:49] <mgottschlag> http://www.elektronik-kompendium.de/public/schaerer/bilder/u3p_03a.gif <- current flows backwards through the transistor commonly found in those regulators
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[20:50] <mgottschlag> this is something which *theoretically* could happen and in practice probably never will break anything
[20:51] <shiftplusone> fair enough
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[20:52] <shiftplusone> Any idea what value capacitor you'd need?
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[20:54] <IT_Sean> oh dear... wot 'ave i started?
[20:55] <steve_rox> adding caps to make pi more stable?
[20:55] <IT_Sean> Apparently.
[20:55] <steve_rox> its not a seriously complicated task
[20:56] <IT_Sean> Indeed.
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[20:56] <steve_rox> ive changed out caps in devices in the past etc
[20:56] <mgottschlag> wasn't "if it doesn't work, add more 100nF caps to it" a common electronics rule? :D
[20:56] <steve_rox> like the ones in my sega gamegear
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[20:56] <IT_Sean> changing them out is one thing... adding them where there isn't a pre-existing pad is slightly trickier
[20:56] <mgottschlag> shiftplusone: I'd say, stop the your cap causes the fuse to trip :D
[20:56] <steve_rox> need a very fine tipped soldering iron
[20:57] <mgottschlag> *stop if your
[20:57] <ParkerR> Element14 has a 15% off of $100 or more http://image.email.newark.com/lib/fe64157071660d747415/m/3/Exclusive_Offer_15-OFF_.gif
[20:57] <steve_rox> ive allso used lower melting grade solder so it puts less heat stress on other components
[20:58] <gpd> ugh. back to weirdness. connected via ssh on wlan0 on one machine - another on the network says host is down.
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[20:58] <gpd> macbook - cannot connect to pi - but can connect to linux box - linux box can connect to pi.
[20:59] * gordonDrogon waves
[20:59] <gpd> macbook can ping everything except pi - pi can ping linux box and connect to it but cannot ping macbook
[20:59] <steve_rox> creative re routein
[20:59] <IT_Sean> reboot all three
[20:59] <IT_Sean> repeat as necessary
[20:59] <IT_Sean> :p
[20:59] <shiftplusone> If I were to mod a pi, I'd probably take off the ethernet/usb chip, redirect the usb port straight to the bcm chip, replace the dual usb port with a single one and use the freed up pads to add a cap. Well, I'd probably end up breaking it, but that would be the plan.
[21:00] <IT_Sean> shiftplusone: why not just get a Model A?
[21:00] <ParkerR> RAM
[21:00] <shiftplusone> ^
[21:00] <ParkerR> It would be a model A with 512mb of RAM
[21:00] <IT_Sean> Does the A still have less than the B?
[21:00] <gordonDrogon> eanema, to answer your question of just over an hour ago - yes. software using any native bcm_gpio mode is susceptible to pi motherboard versions. People seem to accept this though, although for the life of me, I can't understand why )-:
[21:00] <ParkerR> Yes
[21:00] <IT_Sean> Ahh
[21:00] <IT_Sean> I see
[21:00] <IT_Sean> Seems like a lot of work for extra ram. But that's just me.
[21:00] <shiftplusone> A lot of work? How's that case coming along?
[21:01] <ParkerR> Extra RAM and lower power consumption
[21:01] <IT_Sean> I'd be done by now if my dremel hadn't crapped out
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[21:01] <IT_Sean> so 'tptptptp' on you
[21:01] <shiftplusone> D= I don't know what that means, but I feel I should be offended.
[21:02] <IT_Sean> You should be. :p
[21:02] <gpd> probably time to ditch the BT home hub
[21:02] <steve_rox> who uses bt tech?
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[21:03] <steve_rox> it turns your home internets into a free wifi access point if i rember right
[21:03] <IT_Sean> um... lots of people?
[21:03] <gpd> i got fed up of changing the ssid and passwords on all my mahcines when i installed infinity
[21:03] <gpd> steve_rox: yes it does do that :{
[21:03] <IT_Sean> steve_rox: it turns your home internet service into a wifi access point? Um... yeah... tha'ts called a wireless router.
[21:04] <gpd> BtWifi / Fon - community spirit
[21:04] <gpd> which i have little of...
[21:04] <steve_rox> yeah that Fon thing
[21:04] <IT_Sean> I got a fon router, back when they were giving them away. Never really used it.
[21:05] <steve_rox> id be a bit upset if my router was giveing off free wifi etc
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[21:05] <IT_Sean> indeed
[21:05] <gpd> probably time to go back to the linksys wag320n
[21:05] <gpd> it's not free - you have to be a member
[21:06] <IT_Sean> I don't want other people using my connection, is the point.
[21:06] <linuxstb> gpd: Couldn't you have just changed the HH's SSID and password to the values from your previous router? But yes, best to just dump it and use something els.
[21:06] <IT_Sean> At least, not for free. :p
[21:06] <gpd> never worked out if you have to be serving to be able to join other
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[21:06] <steve_rox> yeah you have to be member of BT for it
[21:07] <gordonDrogon> steve_rox, you can disable the BT home hub's sharing feature...
[21:07] <steve_rox> but i wouldent like anyone sapping my bandwidth
[21:07] <steve_rox> ah thats a relief
[21:07] <steve_rox> wernt sure if it was a forced thing
[21:07] <gordonDrogon> it's also supposed to be limited to something like 256Kb/sec when passers-by are using it.
[21:07] <gordonDrogon> it was forced - BT enabled every single one they could one night....
[21:08] <gordonDrogon> then claimed to have the largest public wi-fi network in the UK.
[21:08] * linuxstb is glad his HH is safely in its box
[21:08] <gpd> 256k out of 80Mbps isn't too much of a worry
[21:08] <gpd> but time to ditch in any case
[21:09] <steve_rox> i see ppl were shoveing rpi's inside router cases
[21:09] <gordonDrogon> good old BT though. Thet charge you for broadband, then charge passers-by for broadband - served off the line you're already paying for ...
[21:09] <steve_rox> haha
[21:09] <gpd> true- but they give you free access to BTWifi on most packages
[21:09] <steve_rox> i dont really trust bt after all that phorm rubbish they did
[21:09] <gordonDrogon> I don't think the Pi makes a good router though - it's probably OK for slower speeds, but ...
[21:09] <gpd> albeit only 750mb/mo
[21:09] <gordonDrogon> gpd, sure - if you're an existing BT user...
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[21:18] <steve_rox> another thing about BT annoying me is they keep sending super aggressive style marketing stuff thu the mail
[21:18] <steve_rox> getting like AOL in the old days
[21:19] <IT_Sean> Have BT reduced themselves to sending out millions of floppy disks?
[21:20] * chupacabra wonders what BT is.
[21:21] <gordonDrogon> steve_rox, I battled with BT for about a year on that - kept phoning them threatening to leave if they didn't stop.
[21:21] <gordonDrogon> steve_rox, so I left them as a phone line provider. cheaper too.
[21:21] <gordonDrogon> chupacabra, British Telecom
[21:21] * IT_Sean does not have home phone service, at all.
[21:21] <chupacabra> ahhhh tks
[21:22] <steve_rox> yeah they keep sending more stupid and elaborate leaflits thu every time
[21:22] <IT_Sean> I used to deal with BT quite often, at $job.old
[21:22] <IT_Sean> They were a big customer
[21:22] <steve_rox> we should start some movement where we collect all the spam in whatever form and dump it at BT HQ
[21:22] <IT_Sean> what do you mean "we"
[21:23] <IT_Sean> It would be a heck of a long way to haul spam mail for me. :p
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[21:23] <steve_rox> need to get BT the message somehow
[21:23] <steve_rox> i think aol may of been worse tho
[21:23] <IT_Sean> AOL was terrible.
[21:24] <IT_Sean> Floppy disks. then CDs.
[21:24] <IT_Sean> By the millions
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[21:24] <steve_rox> ppl were never short of a cup coaster for their tea
[21:24] <IT_Sean> I was actually rather upset when they switched to CDs. I used to reformat and reuse their floppies.
[21:24] <piney0> at least the floppy disks were 'recyclable',
[21:24] <steve_rox> i still got a aol floppy disk and cardboard leaflit attached here somewhere
[21:25] <IT_Sean> "hmm... was my research paper on '100 free hours' or 'sign up today'?" :p
[21:25] <steve_rox> good recycleing yeah
[21:25] <bsdfox> anyone know where the SPI python module can be found? I see it referenced online but can't seem to find it
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[21:26] <steve_rox> my pc still has a floppy disk drive in it but the mainboard dont support floppys , its just to fill the case hole
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[21:28] <steve_rox> could probly fit a rpi in a floppy drive case , would be a bit weird with wires trailing out tho
[21:28] <IT_Sean> Aye
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[21:30] <steve_rox> kinda miss the old pc days , when they were relivent
[21:31] <clever> giving aircrack-ng a spin on my pi today
[21:32] <clever> just got a new usb wifi stick!
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[21:32] <steve_rox> i forget how to use that tool
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[21:33] <clever> cant seem to find the package, so i'm compiling it
[21:34] <steve_rox> oh
[21:34] <clever> if i can power it from usb, then i can make a small portable wifi sniffer
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[21:35] <steve_rox> i have a usb wifi adapter for my pi but had limited sucess in makeing it work outside of xbmc
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[21:36] <clever> ive got wpa_supplicant working already
[21:36] <clever> going to try dual-mode now
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[21:36] <steve_rox> i was the tool in X to try connect , dident work
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[21:37] <\\Mr_C\\> are there any lcd's or tft's that plug directly to the raspi board?
[21:37] <steve_rox> not yet
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[21:37] <IT_Sean> there will be
[21:37] <steve_rox> as far as i know
[21:37] <IT_Sean> But not yet.
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[21:38] <steve_rox> a E ink display would be nice but they are still insanely priced
[21:38] <clever> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 Apr 17 15:50 /sys/class/net/wlan0 -> ../../devices/platform/bcm2708_usb/usb1/1-1/1-1.2/1-1.2:1.0/net/wlan0
[21:38] <IT_Sean> The Foundation will be gearing up the work on the display module after the camera is released
[21:38] <clever> ah, phy0
[21:38] <\\Mr_C\\> yea, thats another thing im waiting on is the camera
[21:39] <steve_rox> i suspect the display will be the most challengeing when it comes to reduceing its cost
[21:39] <clever> IT_Sean: how hard would it be to abuse the CSI or DSI port to just bang out binary data at 3gig/sec?
[21:39] <IT_Sean> clever: why are you asking me? :p
[21:39] <clever> steve_rox: one sec, i have a link on displays
[21:40] <clever> IT_Sean: just thought id try :P
[21:40] <IT_Sean> you might want to try asking the channel in general.
[21:40] <clever> steve_rox: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TedIzmguP0
[21:41] <clever> steve_rox: the ipod nano 6 display uses the same protocol as what the pi will use
[21:41] <steve_rox> loadin
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[21:42] <steve_rox> hmmz
[21:43] <steve_rox> looks like interesting vid
[21:44] <clever> in theory, you could just rip the screen out of an ipod nano 6, and stick it on the rpi
[21:44] <clever> touch screen and all
[21:44] <clever> just needs a pin adapter for the 2 flex ribbons
[21:44] <clever> 4 ribbons actualy
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[21:44] <IT_Sean> No need to cannibalize an iPod... you can get hte display from ifixit.com :p
[21:45] <steve_rox> its okay i hate apple , i have no emotional attachment to a ipod
[21:45] <steve_rox> ;)
[21:45] <clever> steve_rox: same!
[21:45] <clever> http://www.ifixit.com/iPod-Parts/iPod-Nano-Gen-6-Display-Assembly/IF147-000
[21:45] <clever> $69 for just the display + touchscreen
[21:46] <steve_rox> not sure how much that is in real money
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[21:47] <clever> and for the exact same price, they also have a 9000mAh battery pack
[21:47] <clever> usb out, so it would work just fine on the pi
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[21:48] <steve_rox> only display i have at moment is the 3.5 car reversing lcd off ebay
[21:48] <eanema> gordonDrogon: ya, I suppose its probably related to the same reason people don't mind ignoring return/failure codes ;) Is there a reason that using the native bcm_gpio mode is not sheltered from revision change by using the wiredPi library?
[21:49] <gordonDrogon> eanema, it is 'sheltered' if you use the wiringPi pin numbering scheme - but then you need to run your programs as root as that uses the memory mapped hardware access.
[21:49] <clever> steve_rox: 1.55 inch screen on the nano6
[21:49] <clever> damn thats tiny, lol
[21:49] <steve_rox> :-P
[21:49] <IT_Sean> That is tiny
[21:49] <IT_Sean> too tiny to be useful for a non-specialized GUI
[21:49] <clever> yeah
[21:50] <gordonDrogon> I have a 128x64 screen on a Pi right now - it's bigger though.
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[21:50] <clever> i saw a bit of how it works in the reverse engineering video
[21:50] <clever> there is no home button, so you get back by holding in the middle of the screen
[21:50] <steve_rox> yeah get 6 pi's and 6 them tiny lcd and make ya a mini video wall
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[21:51] <eanema> gordonDrogon: now I know that I'm suggesting work for you right now, but it seems like it should be possible to maintain a mapping in the library between bcm gpio pins and wiredPi pins
[21:51] <eanema> you know, use the wiredPi pin numbers to refer to bcm gpio pins
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[21:54] <clever> raspberrypi ~ # airmon-ng start wlan0
[21:54] <clever> i now have monitor mode, and normal mode at the same time
[21:55] <clever> so wpa_supplicant can connect to my house as soon as i enter range, and dump the packet logs
[21:55] <steve_rox> fun
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[21:55] <clever> i plan to use the wpa_cli control socket to detect if its actually connected
[21:55] <clever> and start/stop the packet dump based on that
[21:56] <gordonDrogon> eanema, the function: int wpiPinToGpio (int wpiPin) already exists in wiringPi, so you can use that to map wiringPi pins to the underlying bcm_gpio pins - and it knows about the board rev too.
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[21:57] <smallfoot-> 3.7 introduced ARM multiplatform support, and there is further work done on this in 3.10. I was wondering if Raspberry Pi is part of this?
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[22:32] <Chrille^> Hi, Im trying to configure transmission to download files directly to a shared folder on the network on another device, I give the credentials when I mount it but transmission still complains about access rights.
[22:32] <Chrille^> The disk is FAT32
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[22:33] <Chrille^> tried CHMOD
[22:33] <smallfoot-> FAT32 doesn't even have POSIX permissions or ACL
[22:33] <smallfoot-> FAT32 have no file system security
[22:33] <Chrille^> hmm, ok, any workaround?
[22:34] <smallfoot-> no idea, it should just work, iguess
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[22:34] <Chrille^> I can copy files to the disk so why can't transmission?
[22:35] <smallfoot-> hmm
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[22:35] <smallfoot-> try chmod 777 :p
[22:35] <Chrille^> I did :P
[22:35] <smallfoot-> rwx
[22:35] <smallfoot-> oh
[22:36] <smallfoot-> rwxrwxrwx
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[22:36] <Chrille^> ?
[22:36] <Chrille^> When a torrent contians a folder, it creates it, then stops and complains about access
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[22:38] <shiftplusone> What's the output of 'mount'?
[22:39] <Chrille^> output?
[22:39] <shiftplusone> ah wait, this is over the network as well. How are you accessing it?
[22:39] <Chrille^> yes over network
[22:39] <shiftplusone> more detail
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[22:40] <Chrille^> its a external drive, FAT32
[22:40] <shiftplusone> not about the drive
[22:40] <Chrille^> shared using a router with USB
[22:41] <shiftplusone> samba? nfs?
[22:41] <Chrille^> samba
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[22:41] <Chrille^> and mounted using
[22:41] <Chrille^> sudo mount -t cifs -o username=***,password=** // /home/pi/torrentdisc/
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[22:43] <shiftplusone> don't know much about samba. Presumably you can set permissions when mounting to define which group has full access.
[22:43] <shiftplusone> Are you running transmission as a daemon, a separate user or directly?
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[22:44] <Chrille^> a daemon
[22:44] <Chrille^> and used chgrp
[22:45] <shiftplusone> So I am guessing transmission is running as some other user/group (maybe tranmission:tranmission, for example) and the drive only has full access for the 'users' group or something of the sort. You can't change that with chgrp, that would need to be specified in the options when mounting. I am just guessing though, I don't know the specifics.
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[22:46] <Chrille^> Any easy way to see the user of my transmission deamon?
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[22:47] <shiftplusone> running raspbian? I'd check the init.d script, since it would have the user defined somewhere there. But also, you can just check which users and groups are available directly.
[22:47] <Chrille^> raspbian yep
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[22:48] <shiftplusone> you can check /etc/passwd and /etc/group
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[22:49] <eanema> you can also check the user associated with the process using ps
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[22:49] <eanema> ps aux | grep tranmission
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[22:50] <Chrille^> pi 5587 0.0 0.4 3540 808 pts/0 S+ 20:50 0:00 grep --color=auto tranmission
[22:50] <Chrille^> user pi?
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[22:51] <eanema> thats the grep command ... I don't know what your transmission daemon is running as
[22:51] <eanema> transmissiond?
[22:52] <eanema> what is the executable file called that you sue to run transmission?
[22:53] <Chrille^> sudo service transmission-daemon start
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[22:54] <cellardoor> Set up two memory sticks in RAID1 across ButterFS and two USB memory sticks. Nearly pointless accomplishment, but looks awesome seeing two flashing lights anyway.
[22:54] <JohannesG> cellardoor, in the end, that's all that matters
[22:54] <chod> nice
[22:54] <JohannesG> we like flashing lights
[22:55] <cellardoor> JohannesG: damn right. It's all about the lights.
[22:55] <JohannesG> the swag and the bling bling
[22:56] <cellardoor> The RAID bling.
[22:56] <eanema> hrm, well I'm not sure what the process will appear as but if you ps aux, you will see a list of services and there corresponding user have a look through the output for something that could be your transmission daemon
[22:56] <gordonDrogon> Hm. I've never plugged a usb memory stick into a Pi.
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[22:57] <gordonDrogon> I have one in-front of me, so ...
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[22:57] <chod> if i add windows shares to fstab i always get permission errors
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[22:58] <Chrille^> eanema, it says "108"
[22:58] <Chrille^> as the user
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[22:59] <eanema> 108? are you sure that is the user?
[22:59] <gordonDrogon> /dev/sda1 945M 18M 880M 2% /mnt <-- well that works.
[22:59] <Chrille^> yes
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[22:59] <Chrille^> it's the one running the command: /usr/bin/transmission-daemon --config-dir /var/lib/transmission-d
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[23:00] <eanema> that is probably the UID - try looking in /etc/passwd for user 108
[23:01] <Chrille^> debian-transmission:x:debian-transmission:x:108:111::/home/debian-transmission:/bin/false
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[23:02] <eanema> so you know that your transmission server is running as user: debian-transmission and is part of groups: debian-transmission
[23:02] <eanema> so you need to check that that user has access to your mounted share
[23:03] <eanema> an easy way to check if you can access the share is sudo su debian-transmission
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[23:04] <eanema> oh, but you cant because that user has no shell
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[23:04] <eanema> (/bin/false)
[23:04] <Chrille^> hmm
[23:04] <Chrille^> ls -l
[23:04] <Chrille^> says root everywhere
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[23:05] <eanema> when you mount the smb share, you specify the read/write/execute permissions of the share. just specify that the share to have read/write/execute for owner and group, and add debian-transmission to that group
[23:06] <eanema> ya, you've probably got the default permissions of owner: root and group:root
[23:06] <Chrille^> I mounted it with file_mode=0777 dir_mode=0777
[23:06] <Chrille^> is that what you refer to?
[23:06] <eanema> um, something liek that...
[23:06] <chod> is it not the pid and uid needs setting ?
[23:06] <eanema> you need to set the uid and gid of the filesystem
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[23:07] <eanema> ie of the SMB share you mount
[23:07] <gordonDrogon> Hm. my USB sticks are slower than the Pi's SD card...
[23:07] <chod> eanema: i have set them to the same as the user 'pi' 1000 and still permissions error
[23:08] <eanema> when you ls -l /mnt/smbshare what is the user and group?
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[23:08] <Chrille^> drwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0
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[23:10] <eanema> well, its looks like you should be able to write to that dir... rwxrwxrwx
[23:10] <Chrille^> It does indeed create a folder
[23:10] <Chrille^> for the added torrent
[23:10] <Chrille^> then fails
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[23:13] <Chrille^> hmm
[23:13] <Chrille^> damn it
[23:14] <Chrille^> I tried to share a folder on another machine (Win7) and it work directly
[23:14] <Chrille^> could it be that its using NTSF instead of FAT on that disc?
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[23:16] <kkit> if you're 'sharing' from windows, then you're connecting with samba, so filesystem on your windows host doesn'tmatter
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[23:16] <Chrille^> somehow there is some kind of difference
[23:16] <Chrille^> since it works directly?
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[23:21] <Chrille^> Ok, thanks for the help anyway! shiftplusone eanema
[23:22] <shiftplusone> np
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[23:28] <chod> with the pi and cifs i can browse the nas connected shares that ive added to fstab
[23:28] <chod> but cannot 'use' any files
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[23:33] <DarkByD3sign> Evening all
[23:34] <shiftplusone> 'morning
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[23:34] <DarkByD3sign> This is a bigger channel than I was expecting.
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[23:35] <shiftplusone> We're working on fixing that by being terrible ops, so it's ok.
[23:35] <DarkByD3sign> Hahah
[23:35] <gordonDrogon> DarkByD3sign, expect the unnexpected ...
[23:36] <DarkByD3sign> Just got my Ras Pi today, so thought I'd check out the scene.
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[23:37] <shiftplusone> got it up and running?
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[23:38] <DarkByD3sign> Yeah thanks. Although having a little difficulty with one or two things but I'm sure I'll work that out in time.
[23:40] <catcher> where would I find a jumper cable that would connect to 1 or 2 gpio pins at a time?
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[23:41] <DarkByD3sign> element14
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[23:42] <shiftplusone> bah... element14 is a bit of a rip off. I used to use them when the shipping was free, but now I stick to ebay where possible.
[23:42] <gordonDrogon> catcher, tandyonline.co.uk or skpang.co.uk or ...
[23:43] <gordonDrogon> http://www.tandyonline.co.uk/electronics/prototyping.html
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[23:44] <catcher> gordonDrogon, cool, I'll find something similar in the US, good to see exactly what they're called.
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[23:44] <KebabBob> Anyone know a source for usb cables that work with pi? And international shipping; I'm in Iceland
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[23:44] <catcher> Any clever ways to connect individually without waiting for a shipment? :)
[23:45] <KebabBob> I got a few from a reputable dealer here and the voltage drop on the cables was 0.6v
[23:46] <DarkByD3sign> shiftplusone - Would you know how I could run the soft-float version of Raspian on a new generation Ras Pi - I have one of the Hynix processors. And I can't see to boot when using the SF version.
[23:47] <chithead> hynix is the manufacturer of the memory chip
[23:47] <shiftplusone> There is no soft-float raspbian. Raspbian is the hard-float version of debian compiled for the pi
[23:47] <shiftplusone> Did you write your own disk image or did you order a pre-flashed sd card?
[23:49] <DarkByD3sign> I bought an SD card and copied Raspian onto it.
[23:49] <DarkByD3sign> So wrote it
[23:49] <shiftplusone> Should boot fine regardless then
[23:50] <DarkByD3sign> Hmm
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[23:51] <DarkByD3sign> I can boot 'Raspbian ?wheezy?' however 'Soft-float Debian ?wheezy?' Will not boot under any circumstances. I need the later as I'm trying to install Hamachi onto it so I can make it into a VPN.
[23:52] <shiftplusone> Anyone know if the debian image has outdated firmware?
[23:53] <shiftplusone> DarkByD3sign, copying the firmware files from the raspbian image to the debian sd card
[23:53] <shiftplusone> *try...
[23:53] <DarkByD3sign> I already tried that.
[23:53] <shiftplusone> What happens?
[23:54] <DarkByD3sign> I get the red light on the Pi and it will not progress
[23:54] <DarkByD3sign> Flashes one green light
[23:54] <shiftplusone> same sd card?
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[23:54] <Viper-7> DarkByD3sign: sounds like a bad SD image/card/flash
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[23:55] <DarkByD3sign> I also followed these examples: 'http://stackoverflow.com/questions/15313521/soft-float-version-of-raspbian-does-not-boot'
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