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[16:41] <ZoeB> Oh, I have an interesting Arduino project I'm working on, and I'm finally getting the hang of C this time. :D
[16:42] <gordonDrogon> best hang out in #arduino then, but it's mostly the same old faces ;-)
[16:42] <steve_rox> i see that punk selling fake bomb detectors finally got busted
[16:42] <ZoeB> Well I like both
[16:43] <ZoeB> I tried out Plan 9 the other week just because I could without hassle, thanks to the Pi
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[16:43] <Twist-> steve_rox: anyway, that's my take. arduino to learn basic electronics. come back for the Pi when you need more than a few KB of working memory, a webserver, etc.
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[16:44] <steve_rox> hmm
[16:44] <steve_rox> thanks
[16:44] <Twist-> Like.. if you find yourself thinking about purchasing the arduino ethernet shield.. stop and consider using the PI for that gateway instead.
[16:44] <ZoeB> Yeah, they fulfil different niches
[16:44] <ZoeB> And both are great. And affordable!
[16:46] <Twist-> steve_rox: also, the arduino IDE runs on mac/windows/linux.. so there's no change if you decide to use the Pi to control the arduino instead of your wintendo.
[16:46] <steve_rox> my wintendo?
[16:46] <ZoeB> ouch :P
[16:46] <gordonDrogon> the arduino IDE is a little slow on the Pi though.
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[16:47] <gordonDrogon> the compiler alone is fine with makefiles, etc.
[16:47] <steve_rox> i dont have a wintendo whatever that may be
[16:47] <Twist-> You don't have a windows machine used primarily for entertainment?
[16:48] <steve_rox> not primary for entertainment
[16:48] <steve_rox> im not a iphone user :-P
[16:48] * ZoeB hides her iPhone
[16:48] <IT_Sean> hey, steve_rox... neither am i!
[16:48] <steve_rox> i bet
[16:48] * IT_Sean shows steve_rox his Google Nexus 4
[16:49] <steve_rox> :-P
[16:49] <IT_Sean> I used to have an iPhone, but i upgraded.
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[16:50] <Twist-> gordonDrogon: really, I'm just making the point that he wouldn't be wasting time if he got started on another platform with arduino. everything would translate to the Pi if he moved later.
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[16:51] <ZoeB> I don't upgrade often. My last phone was a black and white Nokia one
[16:51] <ZoeB> The one before that took AA batteries. :)
[16:51] <steve_rox> when did a phone stop being a phone
[16:51] <ZoeB> When it had sex with a PDA
[16:52] <steve_rox> interesting answer
[16:52] <ZoeB> That's genetics... :)
[16:52] <steve_rox> then some hybrid abomination was born
[16:52] <XoneFobic[Work]> Hey guys, question about the Raspi in combination I2C module MCP23017 and the Adafruit Library. Depending if I'm doing something wrong (likely) I got a lot of noise on the INPUT.
[16:52] <Twist-> steve_rox: when the phone's function was taken over by general purpose computers.
[16:52] <gordonDrogon> XoneFobic[Work], noise?
[16:52] <Twist-> steve_rox: This has happened or will happen to every information processing device.
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[16:53] <ZoeB> In all fairness, it is more convenient than having a phone, music player, set of books and compass
[16:53] <Twist-> steve_rox: Bitching about the rise of smartphones is like lamenting the loss of card catalogs at the library.
[16:53] <XoneFobic[Work]> gordonDrogon, yea, when I press a button to simulate some input. The value goes to 1, but when I release it starts to blink between 1 and 0 for a while
[16:53] <steve_rox> then you find ppl no longer call each other using voice they rather type some text string on a public website for all to see etc
[16:54] <ZoeB> You kids and your dumb terminals and your barcode scanners!
[16:54] <gordonDrogon> XoneFobic[Work], you probably need a pull-up on the input (or pull down) something to make sure the input isn't left floating.
[16:54] <gordonDrogon> unless you already have that...
[16:54] <ZoeB> It's convenient to talk to many people at once
[16:54] <gordonDrogon> and confusing :)
[16:55] <XoneFobic[Work]> gordonDrogon, this is what I have to test if I can get some input going. http://paste.laravel.com/p1u
[16:56] <XoneFobic[Work]> First project on a Raspi other than tinkering
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[16:56] <gordonDrogon> XoneFobic[Work], good grief! is that adafruits code, or yours?
[16:56] <XoneFobic[Work]> Adafruit
[16:56] <Twist-> steve_rox: I think the phone will look like the aberration in communication in historical perspective. The idea that I can ring a bell in someone's house from anywhere in the world and expect them to drop what they're doing and respond immediately seems pretty crude by comparison to written communication.
[16:57] <XoneFobic[Work]> PHP and .NET background. New to python :P
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[16:57] <gordonDrogon> hide all that stuff from you - doing it in C - this is what it looks like in my world to use an mcp23017: http://wiringpi.com/extensions/i2c-mcp23008-mcp23017/
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[16:57] <steve_rox> these are most interesting times i guess
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[16:58] <gordonDrogon> XoneFobic[Work], what I suggest you do is actuvate pullup (pin,1) for all pins you have buttons connected to and connect the buttons from pin to 0v. the pins will read high when not pushed and low/0 when pushed.
[16:59] <XoneFobic[Work]> gordonDrogon, was planning to go to C. If it has the libraries I need :P
[16:59] <XoneFobic[Work]> I'll try that
[16:59] <steve_rox> now i have to figure out where all my bandwith allowance has vanished to
[16:59] <gordonDrogon> XoneFobic[Work], wiringPi has all the libraries you need ...
[16:59] <XoneFobic[Work]> I'll bookmark it
[16:59] <gordonDrogon> look at the code on that page I write - see how much simpler it is than all that python...
[17:00] <XoneFobic[Work]> Need to read and write a huge factory with a bunch of Raspi's at some point
[17:00] <gordonDrogon> my strategy (I write wiringPi) is to do all the lower level stuff leaving you to concentrate on the higher level stuff.
[17:00] <XoneFobic[Work]> I don't like python. Keep using ;
[17:00] <gordonDrogon> ;
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[17:01] <ZoeB> Oh, Python's a doddle after PHP
[17:01] <ZoeB> Even higher level if that's possible, and it makes more sense
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[17:02] <ZoeB> That and it's not just for webpages, it's for almost everything :)
[17:03] <XoneFobic[Work]> I'll keep using php for webpages. And C# for backend. Well atm anyway
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[17:05] <ZoeB> Yeah, PHP's widely supported on webservers, even if it's less consistent than Python
[17:05] <gordonDrogon> I use php for webby stuff and for writing simple scripts in.
[17:05] <gordonDrogon> and not so simple ones - like some of my billing platform is written in php..
[17:05] <gordonDrogon> I treat it as a sort of sloppy interpreted C...
[17:05] <XoneFobic[Work]> Using Laravel now as an overlay. So not that many headaches for me :P
[17:05] <XoneFobic[Work]> gordonDrogon, it kind of is
[17:06] <XoneFobic[Work]> But it gets the job done extremely fast. (Dev time)
[17:06] <gordonDrogon> yes.
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[17:09] <XoneFobic[Work]> gordonDrogon, it did the trick. Bit of reverse thinking now then :P 0 is pressed 1 is not :P
[17:10] <geordie> morning
[17:10] <geordie> four hours of sleep later
[17:10] <XoneFobic[Work]> luxery
[17:11] <gordonDrogon> XoneFobic[Work], yup.
[17:11] <gordonDrogon> a lot of people seem to like external resistors but most gpio system have internal pull up's and sometimes pull-downs.
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[17:11] <XoneFobic[Work]> Well I just have to remember that true == false ;)
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[17:15] <buzzsaw> XoneFobic[Work]: or you could just build a ! into your logic ;-)
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[17:15] <XoneFobic[Work]> buzzsaw, I'm not a complete n00b ;) That's prettymuch the same in every language
[17:16] <buzzsaw> then !var == true when var = false
[17:16] <gordonDrogon> or solve it in hardware by pulling the pin to 0v via a resistor, then wiring the button to +3.3v ...
[17:16] <gordonDrogon> but that needs an extra resistor.
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[17:16] * buzzsaw only read the last two lines and does not know the true problem
[17:16] <XoneFobic[Work]> For every input
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[17:16] <buzzsaw> resistors are cheap :-)
[17:16] <XoneFobic[Work]> programmer = lazy
[17:16] <buzzsaw> cheaper than inverting logic...
[17:17] <buzzsaw> inverted logic WILL CAUSE A PROBLEM :-)
[17:17] <XoneFobic[Work]> Well I got 8 inputs. 3 outputs. And 42 machines
[17:18] <buzzsaw> you will spend hour debugging your problem if "< XoneFobic[Work]> Well I just have to remember that true == false ;)
[17:18] <buzzsaw> XoneFobic[Work]: resistors are VERY CHEAP...
[17:18] <gordonDrogon> just write a separate funtion to read the button and have that function do the flip for you. that's what I'd do anyway, so I can still write (if (buttonPushed (button)) {...}
[17:18] <XoneFobic[Work]> Yea, I got a box full of different kinds here. But I just want it to work first. Before I improve it
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[17:19] <ZoeB> Yeah, fixing then improving is a good order to do things in. :)
[17:19] <XoneFobic[Work]> Now with the adafruit lib, it thinks input 8 (B0) is not a defined input. While I did define it
[17:19] <ZoeB> I don't always have such self restraint...
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[17:21] <XoneFobic[Work]> ZoeB, Well I have too. Only dev here in a pretty big company. They want things working 'today'. So they get alpha stage 'sh*t' at first.
[17:21] <XoneFobic[Work]> Luckily most is software and database.
[17:21] <ZoeB> Ah, for paid work. Yeah, fair enough :)
[17:22] <XoneFobic[Work]> Automating a knitting factory for matress upholdstery
[17:22] <XoneFobic[Work]> in other words, making a 70-100 year old machine 'talk' with a database
[17:23] <ZoeB> cool!
[17:23] <XoneFobic[Work]> So instead of a basic PLC. I'm using a Raspi
[17:23] <XoneFobic[Work]> much more control
[17:24] <XoneFobic[Work]> And less ?????????
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[17:28] <gordonDrogon> XoneFobic[Work], please read the channel rules page at: http://alturl.com/jc97e
[17:28] <gordonDrogon> This channel is "U" rated... and even *'s in words are frowned upon...
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[17:29] <ZoeB> huh
[17:29] <XoneFobic[Work]> ok, I thought that would have been censored enough
[17:29] <gazzwi86> whats the best way to make sure my script remains running at all times, e.g. after boot and also should it crash have it reboot
[17:29] <IT_Sean> Read the rules... Even if you ***** it out, it still is frowned upon.
[17:29] <XoneFobic[Work]> as I normally just write it in full
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[17:31] <ZoeB> There's a "fsck" typo in the rules, BTW...
[17:31] <fr0g911> hey all how are you
[17:31] <XoneFobic[Work]> Intention is not a factor then?
[17:31] <ZoeB> You know what they say about intent. It's magic.
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[17:36] <fr0g911> so i went to bestbuy to get a dvi to hdmi, the guy asked what i was using it for i said i need it for this monitor i put a raspberry pi in it, he was like what? you put a pie in the monitor
[17:37] <fr0g911> he was older and really thought i did that hahaha
[17:37] <shiftplusone> lol
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[17:37] <shiftplusone> As long as he didn't go home and try it
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[17:37] <shiftplusone> To see what this raspberry pie fuss is about.
[17:38] <fr0g911> lol
[17:38] <IT_Sean> heh
[17:38] <fr0g911> the look on his face was priceless
[17:38] <IT_Sean> did you explain that it was a bit of electronics, and not baked goods? Or did you justl eave him in his bewilderment?
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[17:40] <fr0g911> well it walked away
[17:40] <fr0g911> i think he though i was just crazy
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[17:43] <fr0g911> crazy that snl started in 1975
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[17:46] <ZoeB> you think that's crazy, check out when The Archers started. :)
[17:47] <gazzwi86> Can anyone explain to me what going on with this answer: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1423345/can-i-run-a-python-script-as-a-service
[17:47] <gazzwi86> I'm trying to run a script on startup and keep it runnning
[17:48] <fr0g911> 17,000 episodes
[17:48] <ZoeB> 17,010 :)
[17:48] <ZoeB> It's venerable
[17:48] <ZoeB> My mother likes it, anyway
[17:49] <fr0g911> when did it start
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[17:49] <ZoeB> 1950
[17:49] <fr0g911> wow
[17:50] <ZoeB> But it's a radio show, not a TV show
[17:50] <ZoeB> Not sure what the longest running TV show is. Coronation Street might be close, or some flavour of the news maybe
[17:51] <ZoeB> Pfft, Corrie only has 8040-odd episodes
[17:52] <fr0g911> i just thought of something, What if macgyver had a pi??
[17:52] <ZoeB> You know what's crazy? Most fictional TV shows are intertwined
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[17:52] <fr0g911> i bet he would of built a hover board like from back to the future
[17:52] <anew> when i try to install a package i get this: "
[17:52] <anew> Err http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian/ wheezy/main perl-doc all 5.14.2-16+rpi1
[17:52] <anew> 404 Not Found
[17:52] <anew> "
[17:53] <anew> any ideas ?
[17:53] <mgottschlag> anew: apt-get update?
[17:53] <fr0g911> update
[17:53] <fr0g911> sudo apt-get update
[17:53] <anew> let me try, thanks
[17:53] <ZoeB> fr0g911: Check out "The Tommy Westphall Universe Hypothesis"
[17:53] <anew> so does that mean i should update perl also ?
[17:54] <ZoeB> It's a cascading failure of fiction :D
[17:54] <mgottschlag> anew: "update" only updates the database containing all URLs - if that means that you only can get a newer perl documentation package, you might have to update perl as well
[17:54] <mgottschlag> but it should tell you when it doesn't work because of that
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[18:11] <gazzwi86> my DHCP Hostname is used to access the device via say raspberrypi
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[18:11] <gazzwi86> right? and if it were raspberry could i access it via raspberrypi.local or would it have to be that?
[18:12] <shiftplusone> depends on your router and settings. For me, raspberrypi and raspberrypi.home both work.
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[18:27] <ChauffeR> who of you is colocating a Raspberry PI?
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[18:33] <gazzwi86> shiftplusone: thanks
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[18:39] <Twist-> ChauffeR: that seems like a silly thing to do.
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[18:40] <IT_Sean> It does seem a silly thing to do.
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[18:41] <shiftplusone> Especially since most of them see to have a "you might not be getting your pi back, so deal with it" clause.
[18:41] <Twist-> shiftplusone: wait, this is a thing?
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[18:42] <shiftplusone> Not quite that blunt
[18:42] <Twist-> holy crap. hahaha.
[18:42] <Twist-> http://raspberrycolocation.com/
[18:42] <Twist-> that is fantastic
[18:43] <shiftplusone> "The Raspberry Pi colocation product will exist for an indefinite period of time, with a guarantee of at least 12 months. We won't just pull the plug ;-)"
[18:43] <shiftplusone> ah sorry, ignore that
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[18:44] <shiftplusone> yeah that one doesn't seem to have it.
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[18:46] <Boohbah> ChauffeR: the pi is not capable of saturating the bandwidth of a typical data center link, so what's the point?
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[18:47] <shiftplusone> OK, I am an idiot. I misinterpreted "The agreement is concluded for an indefinite period. We will not send the unit back after 1 week" as a bad thing rather than a good thing >_<
[18:47] <Twist-> Boohbah: The stronger argument is that VPS are faster and very cheap.
[18:47] <Boohbah> Twist-: that is a good point
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[19:03] <ChauffeR> Twist-, yeah but it might be fun to colocate a raspberry pi
[19:03] <Twist-> ChauffeR: I make no argument against doing silly things for sheer entertainment value.
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[19:04] <ChauffeR> I of course wouldn't want to use it as a production server
[19:04] <Undertasker> This HSMI to VGA conversion is really trial and error.
[19:04] <Undertasker> HDMI
[19:04] <gazzwi86> is it possible to copy and sd card to an sd card?
[19:05] <ShadowJK> Sure, but the catch is that it can't be in use
[19:07] <Twist-> ChauffeR: where coloc servers are concerned, out of band management capability is important.
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[19:08] <Twist-> ChauffeR: if the machine hangs, you want the ability to reboot remotely and see the actual system console.
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[19:21] <ShadowJK> So you colocate 2 rPis, with serial ports interconnected? :D
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[19:25] <wroberts1> they claim power of 4 raspberrys http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/435742530/udoo-android-linux-arduino-in-a-tiny-single-board
[19:26] <Tachyon`> actually more as it's a newer arm revision so is faster anyway
[19:26] <Tachyon`> I've found the cortex a8 to be about 3 times the speed of the pi, MHz for MHz
[19:27] <Tachyon`> however it'll cost as much as 3 pandoras probably, lol
[19:27] <Tachyon`> err, 3 pis
[19:27] <Tachyon`> not even a car costs as much as 3 pandoras
[19:27] <wroberts1> arm1176j vs cortex-a9
[19:28] <Tachyon`> the udoo does look impressive, I'll certainly be having one
[19:28] <Tachyon`> the new beaglebone looks interesting too and fairly cheap
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[19:30] <gazzwi86> ShadowJK: How would I do that! I was thinking I could just mount 2 SD's to my mac?
[19:31] <ShadowJK> gazzwi86; well I myself would use "dd" to copy one card to another
[19:31] <wroberts1> beaglebone black is still 512MB ram, but cortex-A8 should be almost same as A9
[19:32] <saivert> ShadowJK: also datacenters can have 1u boxes with a bunch of serial ports and built in ethernet. basically a TCPIP to serial server.
[19:32] <saivert> often used to control switches that only has serial management.
[19:32] <ShadowJK> Yeah, though they're usually so crazy costly that a cluster of rPi becomes cheaper :D
[19:33] <saivert> point is to not use a Pi as out of band device
[19:33] <saivert> what if that Pi dies too?
[19:33] <ShadowJK> Heh, my ISP's switch is hanging badly every evening, dies on console serial too
[19:33] <saivert> I don't think the cost of that box matters if you are designing a rack cabinet full of Raspberry Pis
[19:34] <eanema> ya, I have a 16 port serial port server on my desk right now that is about $1600
[19:34] <ShadowJK> so $100 per port
[19:34] <eanema> $100/port is a little expensive considering a pi is $35
[19:34] <ShadowJK> exactly :)
[19:34] <saivert> I use my wireless router with ser2net daemon running so I get seriel connectivity to my Core 2 Duo Linux server.
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[19:34] <saivert> *serial
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[19:35] <saivert> where ware you getting those prices from?
[19:35] <saivert> 100 a port? whoaw. someone is making big bucks then
[19:35] <eanema> ya, good point, if you have a wireless router you may have a serial port you could use ...
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[19:35] <eanema> lol, not my money
[19:35] <eanema> ;)
[19:35] <eanema> IT sourced that one
[19:36] <saivert> also wireless routers already got 3.3V serial pins, so you don't even need an adapter to connect to the RPi.
[19:37] <saivert> don't take my word for it obviously. use a multimeter and check
[19:37] <saivert> I use a USB to serial adapter to my Linux server though.
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[19:38] <saivert> I find it really crazy that they designed the serial ports for 12V operation in the old days.
[19:38] <eanema> FYI: http://store.digi.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=86 <= $1439
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[19:39] <eanema> you could probably find one cheaper than this, but thats what the thing is sold for
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[19:42] <Tachyon`> +/-15v for old serial I think
[19:42] <Tachyon`> it's a throwback from telegraph/teletype/telex IIRC
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[19:44] <wroberts1> +/-9v
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[19:45] <wroberts1> actually it can be from +/-3 to +/-15
[19:48] <Tachyon`> 0-3.3, 0-5 (ttl/rs423), -15 to +15 (rs232) are the only forms I've seen
[19:49] <Tachyon`> altoguh there could certainly be others for all I know, lol
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[20:00] <saivert> Tachyon`: yup. I stand corrected. and TTL can be both 3.3V and 5V level which is a bit dangerous. Should never assume TTL is either 3.3V or 5V. CMOS logic also comes in various voltage levels altough one associates CMOS with lower voltages than traditional TTL logic.
[20:02] <geordie> i'm having trouble with the motor controller on my DIY gertboard. in a nutshell, nothing happens when i connect everything up and run "motor" in the official test suite
[20:02] <plugwash> TTL uses a 5V supply but has logic thresholds more similar to 3.3V CMOS than 5V CMOS
[20:02] <geordie> the motor and power source are known to work
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[20:03] <plugwash> but the thing is that while the logic thresholds of TTL are similar to 3.3V cmos a TTL output under light load is likely to be above 3.3V
[20:03] <plugwash> so you don't want to feed it into a 3.3V input that is not 5V tolerant
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[20:04] <Tachyon`> aye, I've killed hardware with that error before
[20:04] <saivert> Then you have some USB to TTL adapters with a power wire so you can feed it a reference voltage. Those are nice.
[20:04] <IT_Sean> Magical blue smoke?
[20:04] <Tachyon`> best thing to do is to supply your max233 from the board you're testing
[20:04] <Tachyon`> yes, that
[20:04] <Tachyon`> lol
[20:04] <Tachyon`> er, connecting to
[20:04] <djazz> heh, just checked the uptime of my pi. 74 days! must have been since the last power outage :)
[20:06] <Tachyon`> ah, nice, not sure what mine is, nothing like that though
[20:06] <djazz> i run a webserver with 5000-7000 pageviews per day
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[20:06] <djazz> on it
[20:06] <Tachyon`> do now have a dedi with an uptime fo over a year though -.o
[20:06] <djazz> webserver: nginx
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[20:06] <saivert> anyone running a heavy PHP website on the Pi with database too
[20:07] <saivert> static page service I assume is no sweat
[20:07] <ParkerR> Define "heavy php"
[20:07] <saivert> *serving
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[20:07] <saivert> any CMS
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[20:07] <djazz> i only run my simple custom guestbook in php way :P several nodejs servers though
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[20:11] <saivert> unless the backend need to perform lengthy processing, the CPU will never be the bottleneck. more likely that the storage subsystem or lack of memory is the issue
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[20:14] <Twist-> saivert: The Pi is a really poor fit for that unless your application stack can fit entirely in ram.
[20:15] <Twist-> Actually.. no need to qualify the statement. The Pi is a really poor fit for that.
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[20:16] <saivert> I'm happy with my current nginx + php-fpm setup. Altough proponents of caching solutions like Varnish say I waste my time when I could have it easy with good old Apache + PHP DSM
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[20:35] <gordonDrogon> Hm. 2n3904's do get quite hot when you run a DC motor through them.
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[20:35] <gordonDrogon> Using a PiFace relays to emulate an H bridge with a 2n3904 doing PWM to speed control it...
[20:35] <gordonDrogon> geordie, (who needs your gertboard ;-)
[20:39] <saivert> for specific use cases you would never use a gertboard. but something like PiFace yes.
[20:39] <saivert> gertboard is made for experimentation. not product design
[20:39] <geordie> my issue may be that the motor controller needs >6V whereas i'm using a 3V power supply
[20:39] <geordie> i have a piface and a gertboard
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[20:41] <geordie> time to take my daughter to the playground. debugging this will have to wait until late tonight (after you uk types have slept and reawakened)
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[20:42] <geordie> four that is
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[20:44] <gordonDrogon> A, the motor controller in the Gertboard actually needs 9+ volts.
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[20:45] <geordie> i'm glad i'm on the right track
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[22:24] <Robbilie> how do you connect displays to your pi? :)
[22:25] <kkit> i use an hdmi cable
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[22:25] <Robbilie> and your display has a hdmi port i guess...? no adapter..?
[22:25] <Undertasker> I just bought an HDMI to VGA converter from ebay
[22:25] <Undertasker> Works
[22:26] <Robbilie> price tag?
[22:26] <Undertasker> 11??? something
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[22:26] <Robbilie> i bought a hdmi/dvi adapter, small thingy, working well on all my displays except the one i need it on -.-
[22:27] <kkit> does the one you need it on support dvi-d?
[22:27] <Robbilie> bought a composite/vga adapter <- doesnt work at all, guess it a fake
[22:27] <Robbilie> dvi-d?
[22:27] <Undertasker> http://www.ebay.de/itm/150957004091?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649
[22:27] <Robbilie> kkit, easy way to find out...?
[22:28] <kkit> dvi can carry digital or analog video, or both
[22:28] <Undertasker> Has Audio output and additional 5V supply input
[22:28] <Robbilie> works well?
[22:28] <Undertasker> Yes
[22:28] <kkit> Robbilie, i dunno, read your monitor's manual?
[22:28] <Robbilie> too old xD
[22:28] <Robbilie> cant find it :D
[22:28] <Undertasker> Also with my A10 Android box, which I didn't expect
[22:28] <kkit> well that's what google's for, isn't it :)
[22:29] <Undertasker> Go to the shop of that seller
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[22:29] <Undertasker> As it works so well, I immediately bought another one
[22:30] <Robbilie> kkit, hum found it xD says DVI-D
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[22:30] <Robbilie> what Undertasker ?
[22:30] <Undertasker> ?
[22:30] <kkit> Robbilie, strange, then, it ought to work.
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[22:31] <Robbilie> theres annother problem probably related to this, tomoroow i will find out
[22:31] <kkit> do you have access to anything with an hdmi input to verify that hdmi itself works?
[22:31] <Undertasker> Yeah, Raspiman is here. Now we are all safe.
[22:31] <Robbilie> the dvi cable doesnt fit well becaue of the screens case, so i will remove it
[22:32] <Robbilie> kkit, the same config with dvi cable and hdmi dvi adapter works in any way
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[22:32] <Undertasker> I have 2 DVi monitors, and both work well with a passive adapter
[22:32] <Robbilie> what adapter?
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[22:32] <Robbilie> Undertasker, can you tell me the device name cant find it on the ebay link, try to find it on amazon
[22:33] <Undertasker> But only with the raspi, or A10 with linux. Android is too dumb for that
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[22:34] <Undertasker> Robbilie: got to ebay and search for 150957004091
[22:36] <Undertasker> So, my 10" LCD panel works with the raspi, thanks to the vga converter. Now I have to connect the resistive touch. Any ideas?
[22:36] <Robbilie> theres a board for it
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[22:36] <mgottschlag> Undertasker: what kind of connector?
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[22:37] <Undertasker> bare metallized plastic foil stripe
[22:38] <Undertasker> Thing is, I have a converter board to USB, but it works with a proprietary Windows driver.
[22:38] <mgottschlag> two options: reverse engineering the usb driver, or building your own microcontroller based touchscreen interface
[22:38] <Undertasker> Can't be too hard, though. The board just contains a PIC micro
[22:39] <Undertasker> I'd prefer the second way
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[22:40] <mgottschlag> then you'll have to find a specification for the touchscreen, and you probably have to solder some smd parts (that flat connector, if I interpret your description right, only works with smd connectors)
[22:40] <Undertasker> Thing is, I have 4 raspis, and a A10 based Cubieboard. The A10 has an integrated resistive touch interface, but I want to use the panel for a mediacenter, means XBMC, and XBMC runs like crap on A10.
[22:41] <Undertasker> SMD is the least problem, I do this all the time
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[22:42] <mgottschlag> actually, if the board has a pic micro, you maybe can even try analyzing that board and reprogram it ^^
[22:43] <mgottschlag> (if there is an isp interface)
[22:43] <Undertasker> I doubt that the firmware is readable
[22:43] <Undertasker> I just saw that microchip has single chip touch controllers http://www.microchip.com/wwwproducts/Devices.aspx?dDocName=en555168
[22:44] <Undertasker> Maybe I'll just order a sample
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[22:44] <Matt> Undertasker: just a quick heads up on the language there - try and keep it family friendly :)
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[22:49] <ReggieUK> for a touchscreen I would look in the drivers/input/touchscreen for suitable i2c touch ICs that you can buy on ebay
[22:50] <ReggieUK> find something with an existing driver
[22:50] <Undertasker> Cool, this microchip touch controller also has drivers and calibration utility for linux.
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[22:50] <Undertasker> Exactly what I need
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[23:06] <ring0> which is more popular for electronic experiments, piface or gertboard?
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[23:12] <gordonDrogon> ring0, they're both different really.
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[23:13] <gordonDrogon> piface is more limited than gertboard, but it does have 2 relays.
[23:13] <gordonDrogon> gertboard gives you the hardware to connect relays - and much more.
[23:13] <ring0> so piface is more basic
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[23:14] <ring0> gordonDrogon, thanks
[23:14] <gordonDrogon> piface has 8 inputs and 8 outputs - the outputs are open collector - the inputs are via a 330?? resistor.
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[23:14] <gordonDrogon> gertboard is just a big buffer board for the Pi, although it has an Atmega on-board too.
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[23:18] <gordonDrogon> ring0, do you have a project in-mind?
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[23:20] <ring0> gordonDrogon, just basic sensors and actors implementation, programming some leds, nothing big
[23:22] <gordonDrogon> the gertboard has 2 analog inputs on it too.
[23:22] <gordonDrogon> and 2 analog outputs.
[23:22] <gordonDrogon> not brilliantly fast, but usable.
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[23:26] <ring0> i guess, i need to define a proper project and choose the corresponding hardware afterwards :)
[23:27] <gordonDrogon> do a lot of searching too - if you're handy with a bradboard/basic electronics you might not need either.
[23:28] <troulouliou_dev> what is the cheapest/best device to detect if a 220Volt power is off
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[23:29] <ring0> gordonDrogon, yes, using an ordinary breadboard would be the most simple and cheap solution
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[23:30] <gordonDrogon> troulouliou_dev, cheapest is to dsign it yourself - safest is a 5v wall wart connected to an opto isolator.
[23:31] <troulouliou_dev> gordonDrogon, this is to switch power on as on your blog no ?
[23:31] <gordonDrogon> you can connect an LED (and hence an opto isolator) directly to the mains, but you need to dump the load via a capacitor.
[23:31] <gordonDrogon> troulouliou_dev, don't think I've blogged about switching mains power on, have I?
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[23:32] <troulouliou_dev> gordonDrogon, i read somewhere about using wall wart device ; though on your blog
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[23:33] <troulouliou_dev> gordonDrogon, no raspberry book sorry
[23:33] <gordonDrogon> wishes I'd written a raspberry book...
[23:34] <gordonDrogon> there's a lot of posts on the forums about detecting mains though.
[23:34] <troulouliou_dev> oik
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[23:34] <gordonDrogon> I may have mentioned it - it's easy to use a little wall wart PSU and just wire it into a GPIO on the Pi - either directly (at 3.3v!) or via an opto isolator.
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[23:41] <gordonDrogon> some PiFace fun: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Jrh-ldWTu4&feature=youtu.be
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[23:42] <ring0> generally speaking, can i use c++ as native as python on the rpi or should i expect disadvantages?
[23:42] <gordonDrogon> advantages!
[23:42] <gordonDrogon> I do all my stuff in C.
[23:42] <IT_Sean> The really big advantage is that it isn't python!
[23:43] <gordonDrogon> not really a fan of c++ myself.
[23:43] <ring0> IT_Sean, :D
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[23:43] <ring0> gordonDrogon, i like oop
[23:44] <gordonDrogon> yea, some do.
[23:44] <ring0> but for a small amount of code c should suffice, too
[23:44] <gordonDrogon> I did c++ for a year on a commercial project some 15 years ago and decided to leave it there :)
[23:44] <IT_Sean> I just signed up for better internet service! Goodbye 768k and helloooo 1.5mbps!!!!
[23:45] <IT_Sean> :D
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[23:45] <fr0g911> grats
[23:46] <gordonDrogon> IT_Sean, woo hoo...
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[23:46] <fr0g911> im good with my 4mbps
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[23:46] <gordonDrogon> 16Mbps here...
[23:46] <fr0g911> nice
[23:46] <gordonDrogon> won't get fibre until end of 2015 ):
[23:46] <gordonDrogon> then it'll be 300Mbps
[23:47] <fr0g911> well i get 4MB/s donno what that is in mbps
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[23:47] <gordonDrogon> multiply by 8.
[23:47] <gordonDrogon> so about 32Mb/sec.
[23:48] <gordonDrogon> ie. a typical UK FTTC connection
[23:48] <IT_Sean> I'll be happy ot just have a connection that i can actually USE.
[23:48] <IT_Sean> Need to call up tomorrow and cancel $oldservice
[23:48] <gordonDrogon> zed time here... laters..
[23:49] <IT_Sean> The only annoying thing is I am going from DSL to Cable... so... it's an equipment swapout. :/
[23:49] <chod> gordonDrogon: you had a 'BASIC' for loonix?
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[23:50] * chod may be completle fuzzled
[23:50] <gordonDrogon> chod, BASIC? I wrote a BASIC interperter if that's what you mean...
[23:51] <gordonDrogon> https://projects.drogon.net/return-to-basic/
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