#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2013-05-07

Timestamps are in GMT/BST.

[0:00] <mgottschlag> (just because that is the most common mistake with such setups)
[0:00] <pksato> 6, 8 and 10 pins? (gnd, tx and rx)
[0:00] <HelenaKitty> pksato, what?
[0:00] <HelenaKitty> pksato, http://lavalink.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/raspberry-pi-serial_sm-241x300.jpg
[0:00] <HelenaKitty> this
[0:01] <mgottschlag> if it is wired correctly and if same speed/parity is set on both side, then you probably have to get an oscilloscope
[0:01] <pksato> yes, rpi tx to usb rx, and rx to tx.
[0:01] <HelenaKitty> yes
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[0:02] <HelenaKitty> mgottschlag, Whyy? :(
[0:02] <HelenaKitty> How do I get access to my pi tonight?
[0:03] <pksato> or, no OS loaded.
[0:03] <pksato> act led flashs after power up?
[0:04] <mgottschlag> HelenaKitty: wait, you don't have access to the pi at all right now?
[0:04] <HelenaKitty> pksato, I don't have an act LED
[0:04] <mgottschlag> so you didn't check whether you get an echo there?
[0:04] <pksato> some people forget to install a SD card with preload OS.
[0:04] <mgottschlag> act = ok
[0:04] <HelenaKitty> mgottschlag, no
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[0:04] <HelenaKitty> mgottschlag, yes it's lit up
[0:04] <mgottschlag> then probably whatever os you have doesn't have an active terminal at the serial port
[0:05] <HelenaKitty> :/
[0:05] <Bushmills> getty
[0:05] <mgottschlag> but default raspbian should have a console there
[0:05] <HelenaKitty> mgottschlag, What now? :o
[0:05] <HelenaKitty> okies
[0:05] <HelenaKitty> so use raspbian?
[0:05] * HelenaKitty throws Bushmills a cookie
[0:05] <mgottschlag> either that or find out how to initialize the terminal with whatever you have
[0:06] <HelenaKitty> mgottschlag, rasbian
[0:06] * Bushmills can't decide whether that's meant as reward or as punishment
[0:08] * HelenaKitty throws Bushmills another cookie
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[0:09] <Bushmills> 0,80 ??? for a DS18B20 seems to be a good deal, btw.
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[0:10] <Bushmills> homebaked?
[0:10] <HelenaKitty> Bushmills, Yes
[0:10] <HelenaKitty> :3
[0:11] <HelenaKitty> home baked by my owner of 99 other kitties
[0:11] <Bushmills> how come - does it work now?
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[0:11] <HelenaKitty> Bushmills, no :(
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[0:16] <Bushmills> then off you go, get going and work on it.
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[0:16] <Bushmills> acting cookie launcher won't enable communication
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[0:19] <HelenaKitty> lol
[0:19] <HelenaKitty> Bushmills, busy waiting for rasbian to download!
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[0:22] <Bushmills> DooMMasteR: what town?
[0:23] <DooMMasteR> it is the temperature inside the case
[0:23] <DooMMasteR> 14.5?? C << currently ouside :P
[0:23] <Bushmills> i mean, where would you send those 1820 from?
[0:24] <DooMMasteR> Braunschwei, Germany
[0:24] <DooMMasteR> Braunschweig
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[0:24] <Bushmills> oh, ok. not around the corner.
[0:24] <Bushmills> Mainz <- me
[0:25] <DooMMasteR> 0,75 EUR for Europe, 0,55??? for Germany :P
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[0:26] <Bushmills> well I suppose it wouldn't hurt to have a couple or oneandahalf on the shelf
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[0:31] <DooMMasteR> Bushmills: I think I will order the 100pcs package
[0:31] <DooMMasteR> will write again when they have arrived??? china is still slow =.=
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[0:34] <Bushmills> DooMMasteR: fasttech got them for about that price with quantity of just 5, btw.
[0:34] <Bushmills> shipping included
[0:34] <Bushmills> still china, though
[0:34] <DooMMasteR> I will report the correct price once I got them
[0:35] <DooMMasteR> $0,80 is the prder price
[0:35] <DooMMasteR> order
[0:35] <DooMMasteR> 0.61 Euro atm
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[0:38] <Bushmills> $5.03 quantity of 5, shipping included, there.
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[0:40] <Bushmills> discount starts to apply when taking 3 packs (of 5 each)
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[0:45] <HelenaKitty> I SEE A BOOT PROMPT!
[0:45] * HelenaKitty throws Bushmills the whole bag of cookies :3
[0:45] <Bushmills> yes, cookie frenzy!
[0:45] <HelenaKitty> WTF?
[0:46] <HelenaKitty> I thought root password was raspberry? O.o
[0:46] <HelenaKitty> How do I log in?
[0:46] <Bushmills> user pi
[0:46] <HelenaKitty> oh
[0:46] <HelenaKitty> gah
[0:46] <HelenaKitty> ofc
[0:47] <Bushmills> sudo bash; passwd to set root password.
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[0:48] <Bushmills> though i may need to *duck* now, seems setting root password isn't a popular choice
[0:48] <Bushmills> ehm, not *literally* typing or copying pasting that command
[0:48] <daemoneye> has anyone done much with the BerryBoot bootloader? I am tempted to try a dual boot with wheezy and vector linux and would like to know if there is anything to keep an eye out for during the installs.
[0:49] <Bushmills> the ; was a "logic" delimiter, not a syntactical one
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[1:04] <MarkDude> Is there a a list of GPIO pins on the Pi that you're actually allowed to use as GPIO?
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[1:07] <chod> dude, you can use what u like
[1:07] <prpplague> some gpio can't be used on sundays
[1:08] <chod> i believe some will cause a reset
[1:09] <chod> HelenaKitty: any cookies left?
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[1:10] * Bushmills munches noisily
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[1:13] <MarkDude> Cool tnx. "This channel is already in use" looked like it was telling me not to use it.
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[1:13] <MarkDude> I will just ignore it and see how well it works
[1:13] <MarkDude> :P
[1:13] <Red_M> 7
[1:13] <chod> 'in use'?
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[2:22] <Str3iber> apparently (01:21:36) (gherkin) the ops in #raspberrypi are corrupt as fuck, they perma-banned me, not because I violated any policies but because they didn't like me
[2:22] <Str3iber> is this true, are you the irc mafia
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[2:24] <SophieRxx> Language...
[2:24] <Str3iber> SophieRxx: excuse me?
[2:25] <SophieRxx> You'll see.
[2:25] <Str3iber> where did i commit a linguistic faux-pas?
[2:25] <Tron> banks use a shit ton of shit you'll never have heard before, not in terms of language, but SDKs, toolchains, fuck even network protocols that are finance specific
[2:25] <Tron> whoops wrong channel
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[2:42] <Grievar> SophieRxx: I also don't understand why you said "Language..."
[2:43] <Grievar> do you think "Mafia" is a bad word or something?
[2:46] <SophieRxx> Grievar: Corrupt as ...
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[3:00] <jeffleeismyhero> Anyone familiar with the RFID 13.56 MHZ / NFC MODULE?
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[3:17] <genewitch> Hey I bought an iogear Bluetooth doodad per the list of working bluetooths
[3:17] <genewitch> But I cannot get hciconfig -a hci0 up to work
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[3:18] <genewitch> It gives a connection times out error
[3:18] <Tron> yeah and I was talking with someone yesterday I think why when I try to input... nah I am going to sleep I will ask tomorrow because I cannot work with files anymore - it give me end of inputstream was reached something something - I am trying to add the fileInputStream couple of times in the database with for each loop and on the second one it gives me that exception - I think it is because I am not opening/closing the file or
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[3:18] <genewitch> Most of the people on the Internet with this issue seem to have rpi
[3:21] <genewitch> Anyone? Bluetooth help? :-)
[3:22] <pksato> genewitch: installed/started bluetooth related daemons?
[3:23] <notaro1997> Before I was having a problem where I was getting no video output from my HDMI, but after unplugging everything a few times, I was able to get it working. Now that i went to the /boot/config.txt and removed the "#" from "hdmi_safe=1" I cant get it to work at all. What should i do? Start over?
[3:23] <genewitch> Pksato yeah Bluetooth and dbus are running lsmod shows btusb Bluetooth rfcomm
[3:23] <genewitch> Hciconfig -a shows hci0
[3:24] <genewitch> Just says "DOWN"
[3:24] <genewitch> Notaro put the octothorpe back
[3:24] <notaro1997> #?
[3:25] <pksato> I dont remember hot to use bluetooth.
[3:25] <genewitch> I had an issue with a Mitsubishi tv freaking out with rpi, unplugging power from tv fixed it.
[3:25] <genewitch> It would turn green
[3:25] <genewitch> It was nuts
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[3:27] <pksato> genewitch: hciconfig up hci0 ?
[3:28] <genewitch> Pksato that's what gives the 110 tx timeout error
[3:28] <pksato> usb issues?
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[3:29] <pksato> no enough power to drive bt donlgle?
[3:30] <genewitch> Only thing plugged in other than Ethernet. I have at least 1500ma on the cable
[3:30] <notaro1997> genewitch: I think the problem was that i forgot to replace the "#" with a space.
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[3:31] <genewitch> Whitespace is generally ignored
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[3:33] <genewitch> What else can I try
[3:34] <Str3iber> (01:46:52) (SophieRxx) Grievar: Corrupt as ...
[3:34] <genewitch> I've switched USB ports and tried rebooting and installing all the crap that forums say I need, but the Bluetooth hci0 refuses to go UP
[3:34] <Str3iber> do you know what a quote is, SophieRxx?
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[3:35] <genewitch> Sigh
[3:36] <genewitch> I guess I'll deal with it tomorro
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[4:24] <pdurbin> I asked a few questions in the Raspberry Pi community on Google+ and got a few +1's but no chatter so I thought I'd drop a link here if anyone wants to weigh in either here or there. I'm asking about touch screens, robots and teaching kids to program: https://plus.google.com/107770072576338242009/posts/L3Q34EWeE8y
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[4:27] <Triffid_Hunter> pdurbin: rpi can definitely handle a touchscreen- it's just a regular screen and a "mouse" as far as host is concerned
[4:27] <Triffid_Hunter> pdurbin: can't suggest one though, haven't shopped for touchscreens and haven't immersed myself in the terminology to find what's good and what's not
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[4:28] <Triffid_Hunter> I do know that capacitive is generally regarded as better than resistive, but haven't researched the reasons why
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[4:31] <pdurbin> Triffid_Hunter: ok. that makes sense. thanks. recently I had my six year old try Scratch and she really liked making a story, a dialogue. for now it's fine but I'm thinking what else I might have her try in the future
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[4:32] <pdurbin> here's her scratch program: https://plus.google.com/107770072576338242009/posts/EDt3LhuwpCM
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[4:54] <blackbear008> hello
[4:54] <blackbear008> everyone.
[4:57] <blackbear008> anyone there?
[4:57] * shiftplusone looks around at the room with over 400 people in it >.>
[4:57] <shiftplusone> Hello
[4:59] <blackbear008> hi
[4:59] <blackbear008> A new hand from China.
[5:00] <Scriven> blackbear008, IRC, and especially this channel, are very much talk-and-wait communications channels.
[5:01] <Scriven> ;)
[5:01] <Scriven> But welcome! :D
[5:02] <blackbear008> I just want to init a VGA graphics,
[5:02] <blackbear008> using LINUX C/C++
[5:02] <blackbear008> but how?
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[5:04] * pdurbin will wait for replies overnight while he sleeps ... zzzz :)
[5:05] <Triffid_Hunter> blackbear008: on the rpi? you can either talk to the graphical framebuffer directly, or fire up Xorg
[5:05] <Triffid_Hunter> neither is particularly fast, if you want fast you want to write for the rpi's OpenGL-ES subsystem
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[5:06] <blackbear008> OPENGL needs X11 support.
[5:07] <blackbear008> if you don't init X11(startx),opengl programs report errors.
[5:07] <Triffid_Hunter> blackbear008: X11 doesn't support opengl on the rpi anyway last time I checked
[5:07] <blackbear008> really?
[5:08] <blackbear008> i did this on TC2.0
[5:08] <blackbear008> never successed on linux.
[5:08] <Triffid_Hunter> yeah, not yet at least.. I've read vague mutterings about the rpi's opengl subsystem being somehow different from what X wants, making writing a driver troublesome
[5:09] <blackbear008> yes
[5:10] <blackbear008> so I want to init a VGA mode on my own.
[5:10] <blackbear008> maybe there some .h files to use.
[5:12] <blackbear008> I want to control my model plane with PI.
[5:12] <blackbear008> display some args on my VGA.
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[5:18] <blackbear008> now topics: what you want to do with raspberryPI
[5:18] <blackbear008> MicoModel computers.
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[5:49] <devslash> I'm getting a raspberry pi (my first) in the mail tomorrow. I have a question about how to install it. I've heard that sd card corruption is common with rpi. I've also heard about the ability to boot some boot files on the sd card and boot over USB. is booting over usb more stable than an SD card ?
[5:53] <devslash> anyone here ?
[5:54] <akk> Everybody I know boots from SD. By USB do you mean on a USB stick? I'm not sure that would be any less prone to corruption than an SD card.
[5:54] <Grievar> devslash: "sd card corruption is common"?
[5:55] <devslash> I've read quite a few times that it can be common for sd cards to get corrupted, possible because it isn't common to hand so many write cycles
[5:55] <devslash> isnt that the case ?
[5:55] <x29a> were those articles from 2001?
[5:55] <devslash> no
[5:55] <devslash> lol
[5:55] <akk> I've heard a lot of thirdhand comments like that. I haven't heard a lot of firsthand comments.
[5:55] <blackbear008> do you mean SD card is bad?
[5:55] <x29a> then, where is the difference between an SD and a usb flash?
[5:55] <devslash> no i mean the sd card goes bad
[5:55] <akk> I'm sure it can happen.
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[5:56] <x29a> devslash: yes, eventually it will wear out, but with modern cards (and prices) that will be in a reasonable amount of time
[5:56] <blackbear008> en
[5:57] <devslash> I'm planning on using my rpi as a streaming media server which will always be powered on 24/7
[5:57] <blackbear008> read and write times is limited
[5:57] <devslash> how many times ?
[5:57] <blackbear008> on sd card,or usb storage.
[5:57] <devslash> i have a brand new 8GB SDHC card
[5:57] <blackbear008> billion to million.
[5:57] <blackbear008> ssd is more.
[5:57] <akk> For an application like that, why not try it and see if it's a problem?
[5:57] <devslash> whats a reasonable expected lifespan ?
[5:57] <devslash> 5 years ?
[5:58] <devslash> 1 ?
[5:58] <blackbear008> depends.
[5:58] <akk> The only thing you're risking is that if it fails, you can't get your music 'til you pop in another SD card and reboot.
[5:58] <devslash> well no
[5:58] <SophieRxx> You really don't need to worry.
[5:58] <devslash> my music is stored on an external usb drive
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[6:04] <devslash> ok guys another question.. i downloaded the arch linux image from the raspberry downloads page. is there a way to side load packages before my rPi arrives ?
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[6:11] <Triffid_Hunter> devslash: I'm certain there is, couldn't tell you what it is though. it'll involve mounting the disk image somewhere and unpacking the packages, then updating the package manager metadata to match.. not sure about arch's package manager, but I know gentoo's makes it really simple to point at an alternate build root in which to install stuff and touch metadata
[6:11] <Triffid_Hunter> hopefully arch has a similar feature, they'd be mad not to
[6:12] <devslash> Triffid_Hunter: i don't have my rpi yet. I'm flashing the arch linux image and need to install a lamp server. if i can do it now, id really like to...
[6:12] <devslash> yea
[6:12] <shiftplusone> expected lifespan of an SD card? O_o Anywhere between 1 hour and 200 years, I'd say.
[6:12] <shiftplusone> (in my experience, they are a little unpredictable when it comes to failure)
[6:12] <devslash> lol
[6:12] <Triffid_Hunter> devslash: rpi SD corruption is caused by imperfect power
[6:13] <Triffid_Hunter> if it browns out when writing a block, then you get bad writes, and the rpi is notoriously sensitive to otherwise completely innocuous power fluctuations
[6:13] <shiftplusone> Triffid_Hunter, are you sure? Some people report that they SD card gets corrupted often, but insist that they have a good steady voltage. =/
[6:14] <Triffid_Hunter> shiftplusone: yeah DMMs simply cannot show the sort of fluctuations that are relevant, would not trust unless 1) they hooked a scope to the regulator itself and 2) are actually competent at using the scope and analyzing what they see
[6:15] <shiftplusone> fair enough
[6:15] <Triffid_Hunter> note that it's extremely common for people to sincerely believe that their expertise is far greater than their actual level of expertise
[6:16] <shiftplusone> sure, I am one of them >.>
[6:16] <Grievar> honestly if you care about reliability
[6:16] <Grievar> boot your rpi from a read-only image on the SD card, and use network storage
[6:17] <Triffid_Hunter> shiftplusone: hah merely in saying that you've already distanced yourself from the crowd I refer to :P
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[6:17] <shiftplusone> heh
[6:17] <Triffid_Hunter> devslash: fwiw I power my pi with a 2.5A tablet charger hooked directly to the gpio and it's rock solid
[6:18] <Grievar> I power mine from an ATX power supply
[6:18] <devslash> i have a 12" usb->micro usb cable with a usb charger brick (the small square kind)
[6:18] <Grievar> (the 5Vsb rail)
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[6:21] <SophieRxx> I really want a better power supply. Only 1A here.
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[6:22] <shiftplusone> SophieRxx, that's well above what the pi can actually draw without powering through gpio,usb or shorting out the polyfuse. The quality matters a lot more than what the current rating on the label says.
[6:23] <devslash> damn i just checked. the usb charger i was gonna use is only 0.85A
[6:23] <devslash> probably not enough
[6:24] <IanCormac> Apple chargers are good across the board
[6:24] <IanCormac> there are better brands
[6:24] <IanCormac> but they're harder to find
[6:24] <IanCormac> but all legit apple chargers go to 2.5+A
[6:24] <shiftplusone> People say that the USA market apple chargers (the cube-like ones) aren't good enough.
[6:25] <devslash> i have an iphonw charger the small cube 0.5v,1A
[6:25] <devslash> yea thats what i have shiftplusone
[6:25] <SophieRxx> It would be nice to be able to power a hub without an external source.
[6:25] <IanCormac> shiftplusone: Really? iPads draw >2A IIRC, so all of their cube chargers are fairly robust
[6:26] <devslash> the iPad and iPhone have different chargers
[6:26] <IanCormac> Oh
[6:26] <IanCormac> buy the iPad one
[6:26] <devslash> the iPad chargers provide more juice
[6:26] <devslash> i have one??? if i can charge my iPad off of an old iPhone charger i can use the iPad charger
[6:26] <shiftplusone> IanCormac, I don't have personal experience, but IT_Sean insists they are not good enough. I think he was only talking about the iphone ones.
[6:27] <IanCormac> That could be. I have no idea if the iPhone ones are a lot less powerful
[6:29] <devslash> my iPad charger says it outputs 5.1v~2.1A
[6:30] <IanCormac> Yeah
[6:30] <IanCormac> don't think a Raspi is ever going to use more than that
[6:30] <devslash> I'm also planning on connecting a usb hard drive
[6:31] <shiftplusone> devslash, a different power supply is not going to help there. You'll need either an externally powered usb drive or a powered hub.
[6:32] <devslash> my usb drive doesn't support external power
[6:32] <shiftplusone> which is where the powered hub comes in.
[6:35] <devslash> even if its the smaller usb hard drives
[6:35] <shiftplusone> How much current does it draw? I haven't come across a hard drive that could be powered through the pi alone.
[6:36] <shiftplusone> (without messing with the hardware)
[6:36] <devslash> lemme check
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[6:39] <SophieRxx> Argh, trying to install raspcontrol and it's asking for a username and password when I try to clone the git
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[6:40] <shiftplusone> when you 'git clone https://github.com/bioshox/Raspcontrol.git' ?
[6:41] <devslash> shiftplusone: it says 5v but doesn't specify how many Amps
[6:41] <SophieRxx> shiftplusone: Yes, I've installed it before and didn't have the issue.
[6:41] <shiftplusone> devslash, didn't think that it would.
[6:42] <devslash> so i have no choice but to get a powered usb hub ?
[6:44] <SophieRxx> "Username for 'https://github.com':
[6:44] <shiftplusone> or short out the polyfuse, or power through gpio. You can try without doing any of that first and see how you go.
[6:44] <shiftplusone> SophieRxx, just checked, same problem here.
[6:45] <devslash> shiftplusone: was that for me ?
[6:45] <shiftplusone> devslash, yup
[6:45] <devslash> um how would i even do any of that ? lol
[6:46] <shiftplusone> devslash, powered hub is the simplest. See how you go without one first though. Don't want to make you waste money if I am wrong.
[6:46] <SophieRxx> I'll try again later
[6:46] <devslash> i don't know if this matters or not but once i get lamp and ssh installed, i don't need to use the display at all
[6:46] <devslash> actually once i get ssh installed and can ssh into it successfully i don't care about the graphics chip at all.
[6:47] <blackbear008> PI is not only for LAMP.
[6:47] <shiftplusone> SophieRxx, when I do enter my login details, "http://github.com/bioshox/Raspcontrol.git/info/refs not found: did you run git update-server-info on the server?"
[6:47] <devslash> i know
[6:48] <devslash> the reason i mention that only because if need be, id like to be able to disable the graphics processor if it means i can save power
[6:49] <shiftplusone> Unfortunately, it doesn't work that way.
[6:49] <devslash> why not ?
[6:50] <SophieRxx> "fatal: Not a git repository (or any of the parent directories): .git
[6:50] <SophieRxx> I'll try later, thanks for trying to help
[6:51] <shiftplusone> devslash, you can just turn off the gpu.
[6:52] <devslash> shiftplusone: ok now i have another crazy idea since my funds are kinda limited. I have an airport extreme router I'm not using which has a usb port. would that be a feasible solution to power both my rpi with my usb hard drive connected to it
[6:52] <devslash> can or can't ?
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[6:53] <shiftplusone> Sorry, I don't know what you mean.
[6:53] <devslash> shiftplusone: devslash, you can just turn off the gpu.
[6:54] <devslash> did you mean to say you can't ?
[6:54] <shiftplusone> *can't
[6:54] <shiftplusone> whoops >.>
[6:54] <devslash> what about my other idea
[6:54] <blackbear008> en
[6:54] <devslash> ?
[6:54] <shiftplusone> <ShiftPlusOne> Sorry, I don't know what you mean.
[6:55] <shiftplusone> (about the other idea)
[6:55] <devslash> shiftplusone: ok now i have another crazy idea since my funds are kinda limited. I have an airport extreme router I'm not using which has a usb port. would that be a feasible solution to power both my rpi with my usb hard drive connected to it
[6:55] <blackbear008> you can turn off the gpu.
[6:55] <devslash> blackbear008: how does one go about doing that ?
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[6:55] <devslash> can i do that at the grub level
[6:55] <shiftplusone> ... >_<
[6:56] <blackbear008> why??? you want to turn gpu off?
[6:56] <blackbear008> to save power supply?
[6:56] <devslash> yes if it means you can then why not ?
[6:56] <devslash> my server will be completely headless
[6:57] <shiftplusone> I'll be elsewhere for a while. But a few quick notes.... if you want to turn off the GPU, you will have to unplug the pi, since even when the pi is halted, the gpu is active. There is no GRUB, GRUB is for the x86 platform.
[6:57] <blackbear008> I would rather unset the socket.
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[6:57] <devslash> so no boot loader whatsoever ?
[6:58] <blackbear008> yes
[6:58] <devslash> blackbear008: does that involve soldering ?
[6:58] <shiftplusone> there is a bootloader, it's just not what you think it is.
[6:58] <blackbear008> in rPI, CPU and GPU is inside the ARM.
[6:58] <devslash> oh i see
[6:58] <blackbear008> different from INTEL X86.
[6:58] <shiftplusone> blackbear008, pretty much everything you're saying is wrong. >_<
[6:59] <Tachyon`> well, inside the package, the GPU is clearly not actualy part of the ARM as that's the CPU
[6:59] <blackbear008> ?
[6:59] <blackbear008> worry?
[6:59] <blackbear008> wrong?
[7:00] <devslash> well what about my router idea ?
[7:00] <shiftplusone> elaborate on your router idea
[7:00] <shiftplusone> you have just said you have a router with a usb port. you haven't mentioned how it's supposed to help.
[7:01] <SophieRxx> I think he wants to power it from the router
[7:01] <SophieRxx> like you would with a hub
[7:01] <devslash> yes
[7:01] <devslash> exactly
[7:01] <Tachyon`> they're both host ports
[7:01] <devslash> my funds are limited unfortunately
[7:01] <Tachyon`> but you probably could connect the power lines, at least
[7:01] <Tachyon`> not sure what connecting the data would do,probably nothing
[7:02] <devslash> no
[7:02] <devslash> not for data
[7:02] <blackbear008> you are right.
[7:02] <devslash> just for power
[7:02] <blackbear008> CPU AND GPU IS not inside ARM.
[7:02] <blackbear008> -_-
[7:02] <devslash> usb hard drive ->rpi->airport extreme usb port->wall
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[7:03] <hybr1d8> gpu is used to boot cpu - so you can never fully disable it
[7:03] <devslash> ok forget that idea
[7:03] <blackbear008> en
[7:03] <shiftplusone> devslash, no, that won't work.
[7:03] <blackbear008> they design it ,it must make sence.
[7:03] <devslash> why ? wouldn't a powered router provide enough juice ?
[7:04] <Tachyon`> it might
[7:04] <blackbear008> rPI is ok
[7:04] <blackbear008> how about the Disk Drive?
[7:04] <Tachyon`> you could try it, although the pi would want more than 500mA the router is likely too dumb to limit it to that
[7:04] <blackbear008> why not SSD?
[7:05] <devslash> if the usb hard drive is connected to the pi which is connected to the router, wouldn't the router provide enough power ?
[7:05] <blackbear008> to save power.
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[7:05] <Tachyon`> oh, not for a drive too
[7:05] <Tachyon`> does the drive nto have its own power source?
[7:05] <devslash> blackbear008: because i need ~250GB of space for my media
[7:05] <Tachyon`> you'd be pushing it with just a pi, with a USB powered drive as well, you'd have no chance really, lol
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[7:06] <blackbear008> I advice you to have a test.
[7:06] <shiftplusone> devslash, because the power to the hard drive is still going through the pi, so it's the same as just connecting straight to the wall. There is a polyfuse which limits the total current into the pi, so it doesn't matter how good the supply is. Again, TRY without a hub, see how you go. If it can't power the usb drive, come back again and we can come up with something.
[7:06] <devslash> ok thanks
[7:06] <devslash> sad is really expensive...
[7:06] <devslash> ssd
[7:06] <blackbear008> en
[7:06] <blackbear008> yes
[7:07] <blackbear008> PI is 700MA
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[7:07] <devslash> I'm looking on amazon. 512gb sad is ~$400
[7:07] <blackbear008> usb disk drive must be 500mA
[7:08] <devslash> hmm lemme look into that
[7:08] <blackbear008> afk
[7:10] <Tachyon`> don't count on it
[7:10] <Tachyon`> some of them come with double ended cables because 500 justisn't enough
[7:11] <devslash> Tachyon`: how can i find out how many ma my drive needs ?
[7:11] <devslash> it doesn't specify on the bottom side. it just says 5v
[7:11] <Tachyon`> I do not think you'll be powering a usb hard drive from the pi without an external powered hub
[7:12] <Tachyon`> the pi adn the drive are indeed going to exceed the maximum the polyfuse will allow, while supplying power via USB would avoid the polyfuse I seriosuly doubt your router would supply enough on that prot to run both a pi and a hard drive
[7:12] <shiftplusone> this conversation seems to be stuck in a loop D=
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[7:13] <devslash> someone mentioned disabling the polyfuse
[7:13] <devslash> i think it was blackbear
[7:13] <Tachyon`> warehouse 13
[7:14] <Tachyon`> er. ignore that
[7:14] <SophieRxx> lol
[7:14] <shiftplusone> Yes, you can short out the polyfuse
[7:14] <devslash> is it dangerous to do that ?
[7:14] <shiftplusone> and no, it wasn't blackbear.
[7:14] <Tachyon`> aye, I linked it out on mine
[7:14] <Tachyon`> but that doesn't solve the original problem
[7:15] <shiftplusone> Tachyon`, why not?
[7:15] <Tachyon`> or maybe it does, it's not very clear
[7:15] <Tachyon`> he seems to want to power pi and usb drive from the usb port on his router
[7:15] <devslash> http://theiopage.blogspot.com/2012/06/increasing-raspberry-pis-usb-host.html
[7:15] <Tachyon`> and I have doubts it'll supply enough current for that
[7:15] <SophieRxx> I need to reboot my pi, but this conversation is too interesting to miss.
[7:15] <shiftplusone> The original problem is that he doesn't want to get a powered hub to power the HDD
[7:15] <devslash> this article mentions that later versions removed the polyfuse
[7:15] <shiftplusone> The router is just an idea he had
[7:15] <shiftplusone> devslash, wrong polyfuse
[7:16] <shiftplusone> devslash, the usb side polyfuses were removed, but the main one is still there on the pi power input.
[7:16] <Tachyon`> oh well, then yes, remove polyfuse and use a 1.5A-2.5A supply
[7:16] <shiftplusone> devslash, can you solder?
[7:16] <devslash> no but i know someone who does
[7:16] <Tachyon`> I believe someone said the tracks might start to melt after abuot 2.5A through that port so...
[7:17] <shiftplusone> Well yes, it is dangerous and we don't know how much current the internal traces can handle, but if you are sensible about it, it's safe.
[7:17] <Tachyon`> I used a 2 powering pi, hub, usb hard disk and 3 different rf dongles and wasn't running short
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[7:17] <shiftplusone> 'used a 2'? O_o
[7:17] <Tachyon`> 2A PSU
[7:17] <shiftplusone> ah
[7:18] <Tachyon`> 4 rf dongles at one point, lol
[7:18] <Tachyon`> wifi, bt, keyboard/mouse and sometimes a gamepad
[7:18] <Tachyon`> not that I ever got bluetooth to work
[7:18] <Tachyon`> but heh, it was there, flashing away
[7:18] <shiftplusone> heh
[7:19] <Tachyon`> tbh I didn't try very hard, only bought it for completeness but anything that I could use bt for I coudl generally use wifi for more reliably and faster
[7:19] <SophieRxx> brb reboot
[7:19] <Tachyon`> especially as i bought a bt keybaord absolutely nothing supports
[7:19] <Tachyon`> designed for some old hp jornada pocketpc, seems to predate HID
[7:19] <Tachyon`> had to buy a driver for my phone to use it etc.
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[7:19] <shiftplusone> seems like a sound investment
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[7:20] <Tachyon`> well, they were being sold off on ebay for a tenner
[7:20] <Tachyon`> and the actual keyboard is really nice
[7:20] <Tachyon`> fold up laptop style
[7:20] <Tachyon`> rare case of a bt keyboard you can actually type on
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[7:22] <Tachyon`> curious
[7:22] <Tachyon`> google seems to not be responding
[7:22] <Tachyon`> oh, never mind
[7:22] <Tachyon`> http://cdn.pocketnow.com/html/portal/reviews/0000001008/review/105_2495b.jpg
[7:22] <Tachyon`> keyboard though, heh
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[7:23] <SophieRxx> Did I miss anything?
[7:23] <shiftplusone> everything
[7:23] <SophieRxx> Dang
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[7:26] <devslash> Tachyon`: would this type of usb hub work ? http://www.walmart.com/ip/Gear-Head-7-Port-USB-2.0-Hub-With-Energy-Saving-Switch-Black/16451759
[7:27] <Tachyon`> probably more than you need
[7:27] <Tachyon`> but yes
[7:28] <Tachyon`> 480mbit doesn't boggle my mind that much in this days of USB3 mind -.o
[7:28] <SophieRxx> I really hope the postie is nice and delivers my stepper motor today. :(
[7:28] <Tachyon`> I hope mine delivers my damn router
[7:28] <Tachyon`> I'm rather tired of constantly losing connection
[7:28] <SophieRxx> I probably wont get it, but it would be nice.
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[9:30] <yehnan> hello, my rpi(raspbin) seems to have lirc working properly. But I can't find the command "mode2". How to install it?
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[9:33] <yehnan> well, seems sudo apt-get install lirc can fix the problem. thanks.
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[9:35] <gadgetoid> Hmm. All the buffer!
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[10:08] <Aartsie> hi all i have a question about the power of a rpi now i have an 5v 1.0A adapter but alot of usb stuff won't work is my adapter not powerfull enough ?
[10:08] <shiftplusone> Aartsie, what kind of stuff?
[10:08] <Aartsie> usb sticks, keyboards, wifi dongle
[10:08] <Triffid_Hunter> Aartsie: the rpi is notoriously sensitive to power, and also has some rather poor power routing from the usb input to the usb outputs. use a powered hub
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[10:09] <shiftplusone> there is a polyfuse at the power input of the pi which means that regardless of the supply, the pi won't draw more than about 750mA. You probably want a powered hub, but also check the troubleshooting guide on the wiki as some problems might not be caused by this.
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[10:11] <Aartsie> ok but an other adapter of my a 5v 1.0A is burned with the pi :S how is that possible
[10:11] <shiftplusone> The label doesn't mean much. Was it a cheap chinese one?
[10:11] <yehnan> Aartsie: there are many unqualified adapter out there. I bought one labeled 5V 1.0A, can't power rpi at all.
[10:12] <taza> I use a "2.1A" adapter just so it's actually powerful enough for the Pi.
[10:13] <Triffid_Hunter> Aartsie: usually when you find a cheap adapter (generally chinese) that has 1.0A stamped on it, that means it won't blow up straight away with 1A but it may still misbehave in various ways
[10:13] <Aartsie> ok so i have to buy a more powerfull adapter ? a powered hub is no option for me
[10:13] <Triffid_Hunter> Aartsie: for rpi you need one that's rock solid and perfectly behaved at 1A. I use one rated 2.5A, seems to work fine
[10:14] <taza> Aartsie: If a powered hub is not an option, then you're out of luck.
[10:14] <shiftplusone> No, a different adapter won't help you if you want to power wifi dongles and such.
[10:14] <Triffid_Hunter> Aartsie: even with a very powerful adapter such as the 5v rail on an ATX psu you may still have trouble with usb devices on your rpi since it won't transmit the full 5v from the input to the device
[10:14] <shiftplusone> You will need to find a way to power the pi through gpio then
[10:14] <Triffid_Hunter> I assume because the traces on the pcb aren't wide enough
[10:14] <taza> ... and powering the Pi via GPIO and trying to feed more than the 750mA? Yeah that's not remotely a good idea.
[10:15] <shiftplusone> It's a great idea.
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[10:15] <Aartsie> the strange thing is that the keyboard works some times but not always
[10:16] <shiftplusone> The pi can handle quite a bit more than 750mA.
[10:16] <shiftplusone> but 'course if you have no input protection, it's up to you to make sure you don't do anything silly.
[10:17] <taza> And the upsides compared to a powered hub are...?
[10:17] <Bushmills> maybe you meant powering usb from gpio, not powering pi
[10:17] <Triffid_Hunter> taza: http://triffid-hunter.no-ip.info/101_0059.JPG <-- works for me :)
[10:17] <shiftplusone> It will do both, it's the same line.
[10:17] <shiftplusone> taza, he said a powered hub is not an option.
[10:18] <Bushmills> ah, i get you now.
[10:18] <shiftplusone> 5v on gpio is electrically the same as the 5v on usb (unless you have a rev1 board with the polyfuses on usb)
[10:18] <Bushmills> the "from" was what lead me on the wrong track
[10:18] <taza> shiftplusone: And at that situation you ask why, instead of going on silly tangents.
[10:19] <taza> Aartsie: Why is a powered USB hub not an option?
[10:19] <shiftplusone> taza, how is powering through gpio is a silly tangent?
[10:19] <taza> Because it's exotic and can easily burn out the Pi.
[10:19] <shiftplusone> (except without the grammatical mistakes) >_<
[10:19] <Aartsie> taza: bequase i have build my pi on the back of my tv and there is no more space
[10:20] <shiftplusone> Not quite easily.
[10:20] <Hoerie> must be a small tv ;-)
[10:20] <taza> shiftplusone: The point is you're assuming knowledge and skill that likely aren't there and aren't worth learning for the desired outcome.
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[10:21] <shiftplusone> taza, that's up to the individual to decide. I am telling him what his options are if he doesn't want to use a powered hub.
[10:22] <taza> And I sometimes use dd to fix partition tables, and yet I would never advise that to people unless saner options are first ruled out with some depth.
[10:24] <taza> He says the practical solutions aren't options - sure you could veer into the impractical and ridiculous, but maybe it's time to take a step back and look at the desired outcome instead.
[10:24] <shiftplusone> taza, different perspectives. I don't think your approach is wrong, but calling my answer a silly tangent is a little uncalled for.
[10:25] <taza> Nah, it's entirely called for.
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[10:28] <taza> Impractical, outlandish solutions are sometimes useful, but in general it's better to first make sure the person asking the questions has the necessary technical knowledge to understand the difficult solution - otherwise you are just confusing them.
[10:28] <shiftplusone> impractical and outlandish?
[10:29] <taza> Powering the Pi through GPIO qualifies for both rather easily.
[10:29] <taza> It's possible to do but for practical use it's an edge case at best.
[10:30] <shiftplusone> That's exactly what a lot of people do here and it works just fine for them.
[10:31] <taza> I rest my case.
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[10:34] <Aartsie> Hoerie: 52" led 3D so its not small only on the back it is small
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[10:46] <Jck_true> My fingers are too fat to properly connect power on the GPIO pins :(
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[10:47] <shiftplusone> Jck_true, >_< even with a connector like triffid has? http://triffid-hunter.no-ip.info/101_0059.JPG
[10:47] <Jck_true> shiftplusone: He soldered that himself didn't he? :D
[10:48] <shiftplusone> ah, touche
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[10:56] <Triffid_Hunter> no soldering involved, that's completely standard female crimp pins in a completely standard 0.1" header
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[11:00] <Triffid_Hunter> just http://www.pololu.com/catalog/product/1930 and http://www.pololu.com/catalog/product/1901 and some small pliers :)
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[11:00] <shiftplusone> fatfigner-friendly then
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[11:02] <Jck_true> Ohh - We actually got thoose at work ... Somewhere
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[11:26] <Triffid_Hunter> heh you guys might get a kick out of this.. http://triffid-hunter.no-ip.info/101_0120.JPG - and now I can hotplug my wireless without the rpi freaking out :)
[11:27] <shiftplusone> Triffid_Hunter, so the caps weren't enough?
[11:27] <Triffid_Hunter> shiftplusone: they sure helped, but still dropped a few hundred mV across the board
[11:27] <Triffid_Hunter> wireless doesn't like merely ~4.3v
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[11:28] <shiftplusone> what are the wires going to D17 for?
[11:28] <Triffid_Hunter> so it'd be ok when hotplugging but start choking during heavy transmission
[11:28] <Triffid_Hunter> shiftplusone: in case I ever use the microUSB jack
[11:29] <Triffid_Hunter> also since the power runs on internal layers I can't really see where it's tapped from. sure can't hurt to inject it in one more place
[11:29] <shiftplusone> ah
[11:30] <BlueMint> That looks like it requires a lot of knowledge :P
[11:31] <shiftplusone> Maybe a steady hand.
[11:32] <BlueMint> I'm too scared to use the GPIO :P
[11:34] <Triffid_Hunter> yeah not for the faint of heart, http://triffid-hunter.no-ip.info/100_3089.JPG is the sort of stuff I do for my day job (yes that's 100% hand soldered with an iron)
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[11:35] <shiftplusone> nicely done
[11:35] <shiftplusone> So, you're a human pick and place machine then?
[11:36] <shiftplusone> All those passives must be a pain
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[11:43] <Triffid_Hunter> shiftplusone: naw they're easy. put solder on one pad, then place with tweezers while re-melting the solder, then go back and do all the other pads
[11:44] <shiftplusone> I think my tweezers aren't good for that sort of thing. They tend to twist and do all kinds of awkward things. =(
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[11:45] <Triffid_Hunter> shiftplusone: yeah need needle-point tweezers for smd work, don't try and use the ones for removing splinters and plucking eyebrows
[11:46] <shiftplusone> Got a photo or a link? I am pretty sure I have the right kind of tweezers
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[11:46] <BlueMint> Triffid_Hunter, wow!! That is crazy :)
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[11:47] <shiftplusone> These are the kind I have https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/175702/tweezers.jpg
[11:48] <Triffid_Hunter> shiftplusone: http://triffid-hunter.no-ip.info/101_0123.JPG
[11:48] <shiftplusone> seems close enough =/
[11:48] <BlueMint> Triffid_Hunter, how much did your iron cost?
[11:49] <Triffid_Hunter> BlueMint: ~$66
[11:49] <Triffid_Hunter> BlueMint: http://www.sureelectronics.net/goods.php?id=1593
[11:49] <BlueMint> I think I might invest in a decent one. Mine was 10 bucks from bunnings warehouse :P The tip doesn't even melt the solder
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[11:50] <shiftplusone> BlueMint, I have one of these http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/SMD-ANTI-STATIC-SOLDERING-IRON-STATION-937D-with-LED-Display-/120922156881?pt=AU_B_I_Electrical_Test_Equipment&hash=item1c2785af51&_uhb=1
[11:50] <shiftplusone> and a separate reflow thing
[11:50] <BlueMint> shiftplusone, what is a reflow?
[11:51] <shiftplusone> The hot air station thingy
[11:51] <shiftplusone> http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/ATTEN-AT-858D-SMD-Hot-Air-Rework-Station-Solder-220V-/290910334367?pt=AU_B_I_Electrical_Test_Equipment&hash=item43bb9b6d9f&_uhb=1
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[11:51] <BlueMint> What does it do? o.O
[11:51] <shiftplusone> If you get bored, you can melt stuff.
[11:51] <BlueMint> hahahaha
[11:51] <shiftplusone> But also, it's useful for smd work
[11:52] <shiftplusone> Last time I used it was to remove the ethernet/usb chip from the pi
[11:52] <BlueMint> So, if I want to do some SMD work in the future and don't quite have lots of money, this one would be worth the value? http://www.sureelectronics.net/goods.php?id=1593
[11:52] <shiftplusone> Yeah, it's pretty much the same thing, but two in 1
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[11:53] <BlueMint> Triffid_Hunter, did you link me the one you use?
[11:54] <Triffid_Hunter> BlueMint: yes
[11:54] <BlueMint> Looks like I'll buy it then :P
[11:54] <BlueMint> For my birthday
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[11:54] <Triffid_Hunter> BlueMint: the hot air is used for reflowing large areas.. eg the stepper driver chips on that board have a large thermal pad underneath connected to a significant copper heatsink, so they're completely impossible to solder correctly with an iron
[11:55] <shiftplusone> Triffid_Hunter, do you use regular solder or solder paste for that board you linked earlier?
[11:57] <Triffid_Hunter> BlueMint: you can also use it for making extremely neat and effective things with hot glue- see http://triffid-hunter.no-ip.info/101_0053.JPG for example
[11:57] <Triffid_Hunter> shiftplusone: the areas in that pic were done with iron; didn't have paste at the time.. I have paste now though
[11:57] <BlueMint> oh that is bloody awesome
[11:58] <Triffid_Hunter> I haven't used my hot glue gun in months, I simply cut a piece from the stick, set hot air to 150c and start sculpting
[11:58] <shiftplusone> I do that too, very handy.
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[11:59] <BlueMint> I'm guessing it's very easy to burn yourself on it
[11:59] <shiftplusone> >.>
[11:59] <shiftplusone> I keep burn ointment handy
[11:59] <shiftplusone> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/175702/datasettepwr.jpg
[11:59] <BlueMint> hahahahah!
[12:00] <shiftplusone> the connector on the datasette has hot glue all over it =)
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[12:00] <shiftplusone> Not quite as neat as triffid's, but it does the job.
[12:00] <Triffid_Hunter> BlueMint: I'm yet to burn myself with the hot air; I'm very careful with it
[12:00] <BlueMint> I'm jealous of your setup...
[12:01] <Triffid_Hunter> I've scorched the crap out of paper and bits of wood to give my kids an idea of how dangerous it is
[12:01] <BlueMint> Triffid_Hunter, wow. How many years you been using it for?
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[12:01] <Triffid_Hunter> BlueMint: had it only 18 months or so I think
[12:01] <BlueMint> shiftplusone, go to the music festival? ;)
[12:01] <shiftplusone> BlueMint, soundwave, yeah. =)
[12:01] <BlueMint> Triffid_Hunter, I had my soldering iron for a month and got a nasty nasty burn
[12:02] <Triffid_Hunter> BlueMint: I've been using irons for over 2 decades, just the hot air is a recent addition to my arsenal
[12:02] <BlueMint> shiftplusone, I was very close to going
[12:03] <BlueMint> Triffid_Hunter, I'mma get one :P
[12:03] <shiftplusone> BlueMint, it took me a while to collect all that gear (there is more to the side) and a lot of saving up. I started back when I had a crappy supermarket job. It has been worth it though.
[12:03] <shiftplusone> I wouldn't be able to afford the fluke though. I got that for free =D
[12:03] <BlueMint> shiftplusone, how old are you? (if you don't mind me asking!)
[12:03] <shiftplusone> BlueMint, 24 last time I checked.
[12:03] <BlueMint> What's a fluke?
[12:03] <Triffid_Hunter> BlueMint: the shipping will be like $50 or so. I got mine in a bulk buy with a local hackerspace
[12:03] <shiftplusone> the multimeter
[12:04] <BlueMint> shiftplusone, and how many years ago was that?
[12:04] <BlueMint> Triffid_Hunter, holy...
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[12:04] <BlueMint> shiftplusone, how much does a fluke cost?
[12:05] <shiftplusone> BlueMint, I think that particular one is about $500-600 over here D=
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[12:05] <BlueMint> shiftplusone, what... Why so much? And how did you get it for free?
[12:06] <shiftplusone> BlueMint, Know EEVBlog?
[12:06] <BlueMint> Seen his videos once, yep!
[12:06] <shiftplusone> He was running a contest (random draw) for it.
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[12:07] <BlueMint> Eugh. Lucky bugger
[12:07] <BlueMint> So it was a fluke you got it?
[12:07] <shiftplusone> Very
[12:07] <BlueMint> heh.
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[12:07] <BlueMint> Triffid_Hunter, http://i.imgur.com/20pl7WO.png ):
[12:08] <BlueMint> shiftplusone, what is so special about it?
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[12:08] <shiftplusone> I just checked, the kit he sent me would be $635 from RS, which is crazy. I don't know why Flukes are so expensive actually.
[12:09] <Triffid_Hunter> BlueMint: fwiw, it's still very cheap for iron + hot air. if you want just an iron, there's plenty around. I'd suggest one of the hakko clones (eg aoyue). make sure it has available tips, and real temperature control
[12:10] <shiftplusone> The one I linked to was the best deal I could find at the time.
[12:10] <shiftplusone> The 937D off ebay
[12:10] <shiftplusone> $50, free postage.
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[12:13] <BlueMint> shiftplusone, yes, I think I might go for that. But I also kinda want the hot air too now :P
[12:13] <shiftplusone> Take your time, you don't have to get everything at once.
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[12:15] <spireal> hello
[12:15] <shiftplusone> Ahoy
[12:15] <Hoerie> it'll take a while to learn to solder properly anyway
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[12:22] <shiftplusone> BlueMint, the 2in1 one is $90 on ebay. I don't know if that's cheaper than the store you were looking at, but it's not a bad deal.
[12:23] <BlueMint> shiftplusone, that's a lot of money for me ): I might stick with my current one for a while until somewhere fianlly accepts my job application
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[12:23] <BlueMint> Sorry. pressed the wrong button :P
[12:23] <shiftplusone> BlueMint, applied at woolworths?
[12:24] <BlueMint> woolworths and coles
[12:24] <BlueMint> About 9 months ago...
[12:24] <shiftplusone> =/
[12:24] <shiftplusone> Then fix your resume
[12:25] <BlueMint> hahahaha
[12:26] <Triffid_Hunter> calligraphy on high weight recycled paper grabs attention fairly effectively ;)
[12:26] <shiftplusone> >_<
[12:26] <BlueMint> I wish I was good at calligraphy
[12:26] <BlueMint> My resume wasn't bad ):
[12:27] <BlueMint> Drop outs were getting jobs and I wasn't :/
[12:27] <shiftplusone> Keep applying and make sure you are on their careers website.
[12:28] <BlueMint> shiftplusone, it's such a long process to get in. And I school keeps me from working each day
[12:28] <BlueMint> weekday*
[12:28] <shiftplusone> And... if you haven't gotten an interview in 9 months, there has to be something up with the resume.
[12:29] <BlueMint> I go to a pretty hard to get into school in the area :/
[12:30] <BlueMint> Heh, I can't even find my resume right now. Must of died with my last HDD
[12:30] <shiftplusone> They don't care about what school you go to. It's not like you need to be a genius to put things on a shelf
[12:31] <BlueMint> hmm. ): Fair enough. I'm getting a barista's certificate soon, so hopefully that opens up some nice jobs for me
[12:32] <shiftplusone> Yes, I had an RSA at the time, which would've helped. But I think they mostly care about your availability. People don't want to work late hours, fridays and saturdays, so they are always looking for someone to work those times.
[12:33] <BlueMint> I put those down :P
[12:33] <BlueMint> Oh well. I would probably prefer working at a coffee shop, computer shop or chemist or something
[12:35] <shiftplusone> The thing I liked about woolworths were double and double and a half time shifts. Could get about $450 from a single 8 hour shift, which was handy when I was 18.
[12:36] <Triffid_Hunter> get a first aid cert or so perhaps
[12:36] <Triffid_Hunter> st john's does courses a lot
[12:36] <shiftplusone> That's the only reason I would recommend it actually. That's a single shift and you could get yourself a decent scope.
[12:37] <shiftplusone> The work itself sucked a lot.
[12:40] <BlueMint> Hmm
[12:40] <BlueMint> That sounds like a really good idea
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[12:43] <BlueMint> Back to RPi, is there only 1 PWM pin?
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[12:49] <shiftplusone> From what I can see yes. There are more, but they are used. In theory, you can use any gpio pin and generate a pwm signal yourself... the speed and cpu usage when you do that is another matter though.
[12:49] <spireal> hello qqun speak french ?
[12:49] <spireal> The raspberry pi and Teamviewer is possible ??
[12:49] <spireal> The raspberry pi and Teamviewer is possible ??
[12:49] <Triffid_Hunter> BlueMint: if you want more than one pwm, plug an arduino into it
[12:49] <BlueMint> Triffid_Hunter, I have one :D
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[12:50] <shiftplusone> spireal, no, but there is VNC, which might be what you're after.
[12:50] <BlueMint> shiftplusone, so, from my arduino days, there is a thing called 'hardware PWM' and 'software PWM'. Is pin 12 a hardware PWM?
[12:50] <mike_t> BlueMint, or use I2C PWM Driver
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[12:51] <shiftplusone> BlueMint, hardware, but Gordon has a tutorial for software pwm here https://projects.drogon.net/software-pwm-on-the-raspberry-pi/
[12:52] <BlueMint> thanks :)
[12:52] <shiftplusone> Check the video at the bottom
[12:52] <shiftplusone> from our local gpio wizard.
[12:52] <BlueMint> I love gordons website
[12:52] <Triffid_Hunter> expect poor frequency and mega jitter if you soft-pwm on the pi
[12:52] <BlueMint> hehe
[12:53] <BlueMint> Yes. Looks a little jittery :P
[12:57] <BlueMint> Just so i know, this won't somehow blow up my RPi, yes? http://paste.ubuntu.com/5641122/ I have it connected by 12 > resistor > led > 25 (gnd)
[12:57] <shiftplusone> as long as the resistor value isn't too low.
[12:58] <spireal> ok shiftplusone tightvncserver Is ok thx
[12:58] <shiftplusone> spireal, good luck.
[12:58] <spireal> I seen me connect but not with https VNC Viewer for Windows possible?
[12:58] <BlueMint> it is 240 I think...
[12:58] <spireal> I seen me connect but not with https ...... VNC Viewer for Windows possible?
[12:59] <shiftplusone> BlueMint, that's softpwm though... O_o
[12:59] <BlueMint> shiftplusone, huh?
[12:59] <shiftplusone> spireal, yes, that will work.
[12:59] <BlueMint> That sleep is a 10 second sleep :P
[12:59] <BlueMint> not ms
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[13:00] <gyeben> hi
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[13:00] <shiftplusone> BlueMint, I thought that was a very bad implementation of pwm =p
[13:00] <BlueMint> shiftplusone, hehehe. Looping the whole setup too haha
[13:00] <spireal> ????
[13:00] <spireal> Page Web inaccessible
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[14:17] <neilr> I guess it may be time to try out setting up a DHCP server on the PC :)
[14:18] <doc_b> no direct asscess ha
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[14:20] <Jck_true> doc_b: I've used http://www.diskinternals.com/linux-reader/ worked for me with my internal SD reader on my 2008 laptop
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[14:23] <doc_b> Jck_true: ok ill give that a go
[14:25] <doc_b> Jck_true: that worked thanks
[14:25] <doc_b> ok now what?
[14:25] <doc_b> Bushmills: neilr:
[14:26] <Jck_true> doc_b: what was your original goal? :D
[14:26] <doc_b> Jck_true: wait. can you edit and write files through that? I can only view them and save
[14:26] <neilr> Cool! OK - can you now see a directory in the ext partition called 'etc' ?
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[14:27] <doc_b> set static IP to pi so I could directly connect a pc to uir#
[14:27] <doc_b> neilr: yes
[14:27] <doc_b> neilr: /etc/network/interface
[14:27] <neilr> Excellent. navigate to /etc/network and there'll be a file called 'interfaces' this is what you need to edit
[14:27] <doc_b> i can view but not edit
[14:28] <neilr> oh cock
[14:29] <neilr> Can you create a new file and rename the old one?
[14:29] <doc_b> Jck_true: how can I edit and write files back through that
[14:29] <doc_b> neilr: nope just view and save as far as i can tell
[14:29] <doc_b> save to external device
[14:29] <doc_b> not the SD card
[14:29] <neilr> Curious - you can save, but not edit?
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[14:30] <Jck_true> Oh :| I wouldn't know actually - I just used it to backup some files before flashing the card with a new raspbian install....
[14:30] <linuxstb> doc_b: Do you have a USB keyboard you can borrow for 5 minutes? If so, you could log into the Pi blindly, and just set the IP manually with "ifconfig eth0" (or whatever you want). You can then ssh to it, and edit the interfaces file permanently
[14:31] <doc_b> linuxstb: genius, wow thats simple i should of thought of that
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[14:31] <BlueMint> is it a bad idea to plug my arduino into my RPi and draw the power for the arduino thorugh the RPi?
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[14:33] <doc_b> ok can somebody walk me through this. specific keystrokes. as i am now blind haha
[14:33] <linuxstb> doc_b: Are you using Raspbian on the Pi?
[14:33] <doc_b> yes
[14:34] <doc_b> i need to edit /etc/network/interface to add static ip
[14:34] <linuxstb> Then enter "pi" <ENTER> "raspberry" <ENTER> "sudo ifconfig eth0" <ENTER>
[14:34] <linuxstb> (replacing with a suitable IP for your situation)
[14:34] <doc_b> this is first bootup
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[14:34] <linuxstb> Hmm, then maybe it's inside raspi-config.
[14:35] <Tron> this class structure is fucking with my head :(
[14:35] <Jck_true> BlueMint: Depends on what Arduino it is - How much power it uses - But I can easily run a nano off my pi
[14:35] <BlueMint> Jck_true, it's a uno
[14:37] <malcom2073> I have an arduino with a 2.8" TFT LCD on it plugged into my PI. Wheneverit updates, the backlight dims due to voltage drop, but it stil works.
[14:37] <Jck_true> BlueMint: You can just apply external power if it's a problem :)
[14:37] <BlueMint> malcom2073, hmm, sounds unhealthy for the pi
[14:37] <BlueMint> Jck_true, good idea. How would i do that? :P
[14:37] <Jck_true> "If more than 500 mA is applied to the USB port, the fuse will automatically break the connection until the short or overload is removed."
[14:38] <BlueMint> Oh, so it can't do any harm?
[14:38] <malcom2073> The USB ports on the PI have 140mA fuses on them I think?
[14:38] <malcom2073> Or was that just the first revision?
[14:38] <malcom2073> Either way, you pull more than 200mA, you're gonna see a voltage drop across the PI itself.
[14:38] <Jck_true> Only the rev 1... New boards doesn't have usb fuses
[14:39] <BlueMint> Mine is the newest one
[14:39] <Jck_true> You should be safe then
[14:39] <BlueMint> Sweet thank you :) And do I need to install drivers for the uno to send serial which I can read in python?
[14:40] <malcom2073> Typically not. It should show up as /dev/ttyACM0
[14:41] <BlueMint> awesome :D
[14:41] <Bushmills> "for the uno" - that's avr based, not raspberry
[14:42] <BlueMint> huh?
[14:42] <malcom2073> Bushmills: he means when he connects the uno to the raspberry
[14:42] <Bushmills> won't show as /dev/ttyACM0 on the uno
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[14:44] <Bushmills> /dev/ttyAMA0 here, raspbian, btw
[14:44] <malcom2073> Hmm, interesting, but good to note.
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[14:45] <malcom2073> Isn't AMA0 the onboard serial port?
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[14:47] <BlueMint> So what port what I connect to?
[14:47] <malcom2073> BlueMint: Whatever port shows up when you plug in the Uno
[14:47] <malcom2073> likely /dev/ttyACM0.
[14:47] <malcom2073> Do a ls /dev/tty* before plugging in, then after. See what shows up
[14:48] <BlueMint> Okay thanks :)
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[14:48] <Bushmills> oops. i was somehow lead to think "rs232 port"
[14:49] <BlueMint> Yep, it was /dev/ttyACM0
[14:49] <BlueMint> :D
[14:50] <malcom2073> cool
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[15:49] <blackbear008> hello
[15:49] <blackbear008> CAN RPI boot from USB drive?
[15:49] <hydroxygen> dont think so
[15:49] <hydroxygen> sd only
[15:50] <blackbear008> ONLY from SD card?
[15:50] <Tron> we dont use tabs i think
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[15:51] <blackbear008> you use RPI for what?
[15:51] <blackbear008> just for fun?
[15:51] <hydroxygen> chat and media play
[15:51] <hydroxygen> << noobie @pi
[15:51] <blackbear008> chat? server or client?
[15:52] <hydroxygen> client and eggdrop
[15:53] <blackbear008> I think about it for days. What more can we do with RPI.
[15:53] <blackbear008> CONTROL other IC?
[15:53] <hydroxygen> it can do almost anything
[15:53] <Hoerie> <blackbear008> CAN RPI boot from USB drive? <-- afaik the bootloader needs to be on SD, the rest can be USB
[15:54] <blackbear008> right. BUT what to do.
[15:54] <blackbear008> <Hoerie> thanks.
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[15:55] <blackbear008> we play games, enjoy movies,write DOCs.and what more?
[15:55] <blackbear008> what's more?
[15:55] <Hoerie> you can apparently boot the model A from a host (i.e. PC) over USB (without SD card)
[15:56] <blackbear008> how about model B?
[15:56] <Hoerie> I don't think so
[15:56] <nid0> you can boot any pi from usb or network, but you do need an SD card containing at least /boot
[15:56] <blackbear008> it's harder to get A then B,in China.
[15:56] <blackbear008> got it.
[15:58] <IT_Sean> /boot needs to be on an SD card, for the Model A or B.
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[15:59] <blackbear008> SD is essential
[16:00] <Hoerie> https://twitter.com/TeamRaspi/status/313721902906613760 <-- without SD... see also: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=12015
[16:00] <Hoerie> dom confirmed it, so it sounds real
[16:02] <blackbear008> never mind. SD is OK.
[16:02] <blackbear008> I want to put RPI in my laptop, Toshiba Libretto 50M
[16:03] <IT_Sean> O_o
[16:03] <blackbear008> an old laptop.
[16:03] <blackbear008> need a new display adapter.
[16:04] <blackbear008> and a new power supply system.
[16:04] <IT_Sean> and a way to interface the keyboard / pointing device.
[16:05] <blackbear008> that is much easier then display
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[17:11] <Bushmills> hm .. "ln: failed to create hard link `/boot/initrd.img-3.6-trunk-rpi.dpkg-bak' => `/boot/initrd.img-3.6-trunk-rpi'" - no surprise on a fat partition.
[17:11] <Bushmills> pre- or postinstall script attempts that :)
[17:14] <Triffid_Hunter> heh fat technically supports hard links, but it's a terrible terrible idea due to how the metadata is stored
[17:15] <Bushmills> there's no refcount in FAT entries
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[17:16] <Bushmills> just pointing multiple FAT entries to the same data sector doesn't implement hard links
[17:17] <Triffid_Hunter> yeah exactly
[17:17] <Tron> yeah that wouldn't surprise me - also I saw Claire (the careers person), and apparently one of her students did it a few years back. There's apparently some psychmetric testing, group exercises
[17:17] <Triffid_Hunter> so you can do a hardlink, but you can't remove the data when the last link is gone
[17:19] <Bushmills> well, i suppose one could scan all directories. but then one also had to tell checkdisk that there's a difference between crosslinked files and hardlinks
[17:19] <Bushmills> box of pandora opening up there
[17:19] <Triffid_Hunter> precisely
[17:20] <Bushmills> "your volume contained hardlinks so we decided to fix it" :D
[17:21] <Tachyon`> you can use them on CDs although most people don't
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[17:23] <Bushmills> not much use putting that raspberry kernel on cd instead of on sd card
[17:24] <steve_rox> any interesting rpi stuff going on?
[17:25] <Bushmills> no, of course not. what a strange idea
[17:25] <steve_rox> erm okays
[17:26] <steve_rox> i see most the news websites are going nuts over the water cooled rpi
[17:26] <steve_rox> wonder how long it takes for someone to dump one in mineral oil tank
[17:26] <steve_rox> if it hasent allready be done
[17:27] * Bushmills wonders whether a jar of peanut butter will do
[17:27] <Triffid_Hunter> water cooled? why?
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[17:27] <steve_rox> just to be ironic i guess
[17:27] <steve_rox> "because we can"
[17:28] <steve_rox> wonder what temp it runs at
[17:29] <hydroxygen> my pi runs around 131f with copper heatsinks
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[17:30] <steve_rox> whats that in C
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[17:30] <IT_Sean> I seriousily doubt you have copper heatsinks. You have copper-clad headsinks.
[17:30] <steve_rox> does that include fan?
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[17:30] <Bushmills> 55 C
[17:30] <steve_rox> mines at about 50 i think
[17:30] <Triffid_Hunter> IT_Sean: I have a solid copper heatsink from my old athlon, they do exist
[17:30] <steve_rox> and that uses a non copper sink
[17:31] <steve_rox> but did you add a fan?
[17:31] <IT_Sean> Triffid_Hunter: Ahh... i thought you had bought one of the cheap ones "desiggned for the raspi"
[17:31] <IT_Sean> pardon my assumption
[17:31] <Triffid_Hunter> heh rpi doesn't need sinks
[17:31] <IT_Sean> No, it does not
[17:31] <IT_Sean> But that doesn't stop some scammers from marketing the,
[17:31] <IT_Sean> *them
[17:32] <Triffid_Hunter> if people will buy them, they'll be available somewhere
[17:32] <steve_rox> i figure unless you add a fan or get airflow you wont see any serious differnce
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[17:32] <Bushmills> for real raspberry performance, one needed peltier elements anyway
[17:32] <steve_rox> does the mdl A rpi get that hot on its cpu?
[17:33] <IT_Sean> Neither model raspi (they both use the same SoC) gets hot enough to require external cooling
[17:33] <steve_rox> yeah but does it get as hot as mdl B
[17:33] <steve_rox> just wondering i guess
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[17:34] <steve_rox> so many ebay users try scare ppl into thinkin they need heatsinks
[17:34] <IT_Sean> The.Both.Use.The.Same.SoC. There is no reason for one to get hotter than another, everything else being equal. The ONLY difference between an A and a B is that the A lacks the USB hub & network chip
[17:34] <IT_Sean> ...And the difference in ram, of course.
[17:34] <steve_rox> well i was thinking maybe its cpu would be less erm busy if it dident have to manage the lanchip etc
[17:35] <steve_rox> yea
[17:35] <IT_Sean> The difference would be immeasurably small, Steve.
[17:35] <steve_rox> i rember the guy that removed the lan chip off his rpi 512
[17:35] <steve_rox> turned it into a model a
[17:35] <johnc-> is there a roadmap for the future development of pi-like devices in the foundation? or are they planning to stick with the pi for forever?
[17:36] <Triffid_Hunter> heh I think it would heat up more from heat conducted through the pcb from the phy than from the extra transistor switching required to talk to it
[17:36] <IT_Sean> johnc-: There is no public news of any new devices, other than the already aanouanced raspi accessories
[17:36] <Bushmills> i hope that a greenarray kind of low cost device will hit the market at one point
[17:36] <steve_rox> i dont think they will be too keen on makeing a entirely new computer board at moment
[17:37] <steve_rox> plus all the ppl that have boards at moment will probly be annoyeed
[17:37] <johnc-> IT_Sean: I dream of a future with pi-like devices with a tegra chip at it's heart! but it's a crazy dream! :)
[17:37] <steve_rox> in much way ms annoys us with updates
[17:37] <johnc-> steve_rox: of course not "at the moment"
[17:37] <johnc-> just curious what the foundation has brewing for the future
[17:37] * IT_Sean hides the tegra based raspi prototype he had sitting on his desk, and shoots johnc- a dirty glare
[17:37] <steve_rox> still no word on the rpi camera
[17:38] <Bushmills> 144 cores, running with 700 mW at full load. all of them, that is.
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[17:39] <steve_rox> i feel so sleepy
[17:39] <Tron> i know dat feel
[17:40] <SpeedEvil> eBay has tegra devices for 40 quid
[17:40] <steve_rox> hosted a minecraft server and we were on it for hours , using the rpi for voip communication :-D
[17:40] <SpeedEvil> nexus 7s with broken digitiser
[17:40] * johnc- hugs his galaxy note 2
[17:40] <steve_rox> rpi can handle mumble server very welll
[17:41] <Bushmills> nexus 7 runs loops around GN2, perfomance-wise
[17:41] <steve_rox> lookin at these case designs for that compition , some are most crazy
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[17:43] <Bushmills> there are relatively cheap wooden ones which don't look that ugly, but the material gives the impression of being rather poor
[17:44] <TheSnide> mumble srv ?
[17:44] <TheSnide> is that a sortof teamspeek ?
[17:44] <steve_rox> yeah
[17:44] <steve_rox> works well
[17:44] <TheSnide> multi user ?
[17:44] <steve_rox> yea
[17:45] <cornflaku> dont know someone named stevie_rox do you steve_rox?
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[17:45] <TheSnide> n p2p i suppose
[17:45] <steve_rox> not that i know of
[17:45] <steve_rox> strange close screenname
[17:45] <steve_rox> not one my alts
[17:45] <TheSnide> cornflaku: steves are everywhere :)
[17:45] <cornflaku> lol ikr
[17:45] <steve_rox> er i had 3 ppl in my mumble server at once
[17:46] <steve_rox> cpu barely broke a sweat
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[17:46] <cornflaku> compiling a bunch of stuff from the retropie setup script now
[17:46] <steve_rox> only down side theres no arm client to run on the rpi just the server part
[17:46] <cornflaku> it's taking forever
[17:46] <cornflaku> so painful
[17:46] <steve_rox> yeah i kinda gave up on the retro pi thing
[17:47] <TheSnide> retro ?
[17:47] <cornflaku> main problems?
[17:47] <steve_rox> fustrateing getting mame going on the rpi
[17:47] <johnc-> surprised nobody is supplying builds
[17:47] <steve_rox> ill probly try again at some point
[17:47] <TheSnide> just found out picore
[17:47] <cornflaku> yeah it's been a little frustrating but i think i've got it this time
[17:47] <steve_rox> im learning more linux stuff as i go so maybe i can use that to fix it up
[17:48] <cornflaku> i'm actually going for psx and snes emu
[17:48] <cornflaku> first and foremost
[17:48] <cornflaku> some mame would be extremely nice
[17:48] <cornflaku> and i'm pretty well versed with linux
[17:48] <steve_rox> wonder if anyone could get the sega saturn emulator going on it , but its unlikely
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[17:48] <cornflaku> i'll let you know how it goes steve_rox, when was the last time you tried?
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[17:48] <cornflaku> oh man saturn emus are a nightmare
[17:48] <cornflaku> i highly doubt on the pi
[17:48] <applegekko> [16:46:22] <steve_rox> only down side theres no arm client to run on the rpi just the server part <- arch-arm provides a client in the repos
[17:48] <cornflaku> esp with ram constraints
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[17:49] <steve_rox> err
[17:49] <steve_rox> i try rember that
[17:49] <steve_rox> but the sega saturn had a very complicated hardware setup
[17:49] <cornflaku> sure did
[17:49] <cornflaku> saturn was awesome
[17:49] <steve_rox> i have a real one in ma room luckly
[17:49] <cornflaku> i'd like to find mine
[17:49] <cornflaku> it's buried someone in a friends attic
[17:49] <cornflaku> somewhere*
[17:49] <steve_rox> mines got a mod chip in it :-D
[17:49] <cornflaku> lol nice
[17:49] <cornflaku> i had my rigged
[17:49] <cornflaku> with the tape trick
[17:49] <steve_rox> panzer draggon saga! yay!
[17:50] <cornflaku> fuck yes
[17:50] <steve_rox> hahahah
[17:50] <cornflaku> ^5 steve_rox
[17:50] <[Saint]> language.
[17:50] <steve_rox> the language auto moan
[17:51] <steve_rox> would been nice to get the saturn going on the pi
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[17:53] <steve_rox> got dgen working on it well
[17:53] <steve_rox> improve fps by makeing rpi launch in lower res and then run the emu at that res and its like 50-60 fps
[17:54] <steve_rox> thats with overclock too
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[17:54] <cornflaku> i do have a question about overclocking,
[17:55] <cornflaku> within the past few firmware updates, has 'medium' from raspi-config changed to overvolt as well?
[17:55] <cornflaku> i know it was unstable for me on earlier firmwares set to 'medium'
[17:55] <grnis> Trying to register on the forums. I may suffer from temporary retardation, but the question I need to answer to register an account "Which of these has an odd number of legs?". I can't figure out what it might be other than a centipede
[17:55] <steve_rox> i dident use them pre configs in menus
[17:55] <cornflaku> yeah i havent either
[17:55] <grnis> Anyone knows?
[17:55] <cornflaku> i just noticed it last time
[17:55] <steve_rox> i manually edited and went thu it
[17:55] <cornflaku> well, yesterday when i flashed
[17:56] <cornflaku> the new firmware
[17:57] <steve_rox> i dont update firmware often , it leads to corrupt sd cards :-P
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[17:57] <cornflaku> yep
[17:57] <cornflaku> that's exactly what happened
[17:57] <cornflaku> but that's alright needed to update openelec anyways
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[17:59] <gtklocker> Hello. I want to buy a Model B but I can't find some official site for that. I'm buying in EUR or BTC and I need it shipped in EU. Any ideas?
[17:59] <steve_rox> watching my webserver on rpi log in real time , damn script kiddys keep probein it
[18:00] <steve_rox> we need more technical ppl in here to answer questions
[18:00] <steve_rox> im too sleepy
[18:00] <Tron> and im gonna do routing algos too now, have to cover bellman
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[18:05] <jigoe> I have a c++ program, I am using pullUpDnControl, however when I call digitalRead I return 0 even though it is pulled up.
[18:05] <jigoe> Any ideas?
[18:06] <jigoe> It should return 1.
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[18:08] <jigoe> Nvm.
[18:08] <jigoe> What size the resistors are the pull ups?
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[18:12] <steve_rox> wish i
[18:12] <steve_rox> knew
[18:12] <steve_rox> a way to change res without reboot
[18:12] <steve_rox> agh im gonna pass out i think
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[18:33] <jigoe> Guys, with the gpio library, is it the wiring pi pin or the GPIO pin that is used?
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[18:50] <fosap2> Hi, I'm trying to learn ARM asm. Is it possible for a register to contain a negative number? What does ldr r2, [sp, #12] if sp or r13 contains -20?
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[18:52] <Bushmills> fosap2: yes.
[18:52] <Bushmills> but negative or positive number are just a matter of interpretation
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[18:53] <Bushmills> you may want to read about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two%27s_complement
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[18:54] <fosap2> They are all just bits, i know. But does the ldr instruction expect negative numbers? And if so, what happens if i try to access a negative memory address?
[18:55] <Bushmills> only some intructions care about signed vs unsigned. those are, some arithmetics, and some comparisons
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[18:56] <fosap2> because -20 +12 is -8. What does happen to r2?
[18:56] <Bushmills> there is no "negative" as quality of the bit combination. there is only "negative" as convention how to mark a number as such
[18:56] <Bushmills> look at the bit representation of that number.
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[18:57] <Bushmills> r2 will contain bits. it doesn't care about which bits are one or zero.
[18:57] <Bushmills> r2 doesn't know the difference between negative and positive
[18:58] <Bushmills> only the instructions which care for that difference will interpret numbers as having such a quality
[18:58] <Bushmills> by now you may have read about 2's complement, and understood :)
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[18:59] <fosap2> I guess the add instruction interprets it as 2-complement.
[18:59] <fosap2> mov does not care
[18:59] <SophieRxx> Ughh, Raspcontrol is still asking for a username and passsword when trying to clone git
[18:59] <fosap2> but what about ldr?
[18:59] <Tron> but i think you know what im talking about
[18:59] <linuxstb> fosap2: There is no such thing as a negative memory address. Any instruction that reads from memory interprets the address value as unsigned
[18:59] <Bushmills> negative numbers are represented as 2's complement. as result, add doesn't need to bother
[19:00] <fosap2> ah, ok
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[19:34] <Mjolinor> looking for soem serial port help. the internal port is recieving data incorrectly eg. raspi says 75 when I send AA and raspi says eb ea when I send aa a9
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[19:38] <spireal> hello
[19:38] <Bushmills> is protocol of terminal and rpi matching? same number data bits, stop bits, same parity setting?
[19:38] <Mjolinor> I think so
[19:39] <Mjolinor> stty -F /dev/ttyAMA0 -cstopb -crtscts -hupcl -ixon -icrnl ignbrk -onlcr -opost -isig -icanon -iexten -echo -echoe -echok -echoctl -echoke 9600
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[19:39] <Tron> Butt3rfly: well when your like 75 i wouldl think so
[19:39] <Mjolinor> that is my stty line
[19:39] <Mjolinor> the sender is a pic and my PC recivs the pic correctly with the same C programme
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[19:40] <Bushmills> bit patterns of your failing examples look too similar for baudrates being completely off
[19:40] <Mjolinor> I am wondering if I should tweak the bit time
[19:41] <Mjolinor> it is marginall under 104us at themoment but within spec, I am thinking the raspi serial port may be intolerant
[19:41] <Bushmills> what's the clock of the crystal you're using for pic?
[19:41] <Mjolinor> 8MHz
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[19:41] <Bushmills> ah, can't derive proper baudrates from that
[19:41] <Mjolinor> :)
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[19:45] <Mjolinor> with the timing I have it has worked on everythign I have run it on except this odd Pi serial port so I am reluctant to change hte bit timing
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[19:45] <Bushmills> 9.216 MHz could do, if your pic runs on that clock
[19:45] <cornflaku> what's a pic?
[19:46] <Bushmills> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PIC_microcontroller
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[19:46] <cornflaku> ty
[19:47] <Bushmills> popular until AVR set out to replace them :)
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[19:51] <Mjolinor> sorted it I think
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[19:52] <Mjolinor> it seems that the serial port doesnt like the level being low
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[19:52] <Mjolinor> the port must not decode the start bit
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[21:14] <spobat> hi
[21:14] <spobat> why do you get a tshirt saying "element14" ?
[21:14] <spobat> -> what does that mean? :p
[21:15] <notaro1997> Its a company
[21:15] <Pi-Boy> It's the company behind the Pi
[21:15] <Tron> NinjaPenguin: if you take the wrong 32bits slice of the address, you'll get a very static seed :)
[21:16] <notaro1997> spobat: http://www.element14.com/community/index.jspa
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[21:26] <spobat> okay, thank you.
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[21:26] <spobat> Can it play music (e.g. mp3s) from the scratch?
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[21:26] <spobat> Meaning, right off after the first boot
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[21:36] <Scriven> IIRC Element 14 isn't the company behind the pi, but it is one of the chosen global distributors...
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[21:37] <IT_Sean> ^ wot 'e said
[21:37] <Scriven> spobat, raspbian can I'm pretty sure. Can't vouch for other distros.
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[21:37] <Scriven> how's IT_Sean today?
[21:37] <spobat> ok
[21:37] <Tron> how's the pussy today, Meta?
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[21:38] <Scriven> not talking about a cat, then? lol
[21:38] * Tron fists IT_Sean
[21:38] * Scriven sighs.
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[21:38] <Mortvert> That escalated quickly
[21:38] <Scriven> seriously.
[21:40] <Scriven> should rename himself from Tron to Troll...
[21:40] <_Shurik_> Hey guys, anyone played with HD44780?
[21:40] <Tachyon`> Troff would have been a better kick message
[21:40] <_Shurik_> hehe
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[21:41] <Scriven> Tachyon`, lol!
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[21:41] * Scriven has that feeling of work needing to be done, but motivation simply gone. :(
[21:42] <Tachyon`> I know that feeling well -.-
[21:42] <Scriven> ^5! lol
[21:42] <Scriven> Procrastinators Unite ..... tomorrow
[21:43] <taza> Eeh, I don't have time tomorrow, how does next year sound?
[21:43] <_Shurik_> Love that quote
[21:45] <_Shurik_> Okay, another question - anyone was able to use small analog display with R-PI? I bought one that suppose to be 640x480, but it is so blurry, can hardly read on it.
[21:45] <taza> Yeah, welcome to small analog displays.
[21:45] <taza> You should be able to adjust it.
[21:45] <Tachyon`> shurik, from chinese seller on ebay?
[21:46] <Tachyon`> two inputs and 12v power?
[21:46] <_Shurik_> yes :)
[21:46] <Tachyon`> it's 320x240
[21:46] <Tachyon`> I bought two of them
[21:46] <Tachyon`> as I also believed the specs
[21:46] <_Shurik_> eh
[21:46] <Scriven> also, you may find them clearer when you look a little from the bottom and not straight on.
[21:46] <Tachyon`> not these ones
[21:46] <Tachyon`> trust me
[21:46] <_Shurik_> okay, so garbage then
[21:46] <Tachyon`> if you set the output to be 320x240 it'll be readable, ish
[21:46] <Tachyon`> but they're not good, lol
[21:47] <_Shurik_> hehe, it's okay. I'll play with it later
[21:47] <Scriven> I find mine useable at defaults, even in CLI mode.
[21:47] <Tachyon`> give one to a friend for a car reverse camera which is about what they're good for it seems -.-
[21:47] <Scriven> yeah, that's how they're marketed as mostly, Tachyon`
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[21:47] <_Shurik_> I saw 7" ones for about $40-50
[21:47] <Tachyon`> I saw some claiming to be 800x480
[21:47] <Scriven> lol
[21:47] <Scriven> that's ridic.
[21:47] <Tachyon`> but suspect they may be 480x272
[21:48] <Tachyon`> I did find some 800x600 genuine ones
[21:48] <Tachyon`> but not cheap
[21:48] <Scriven> Tachyon`, 800x600 @4.3"?
[21:48] <Tachyon`> no, somewhat larger
[21:48] <Scriven> oic, that makes a bit more sense.
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[21:48] <Tachyon`> oh, he's sold out
[21:48] <Tachyon`> dammit, should have been quicker
[21:49] <Tachyon`> what I want is 640x480 and something 4-6"
[21:49] <Tachyon`> but it doesn't look like I'm going to get it
[21:49] <_Shurik_> Tachyon`: http://www.amazon.com/Camera-Monitor-Support-Rotating-Screen/dp/B007SLDF7O/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1367956162&sr=8-2&keywords=7%22+lcd&tag=r601000000-20
[21:49] <Scriven> Trying to fix a client's website, but they've been so screwed by their old dev that it'll take hours and hours of cut-and-paste drudgery... Can't even really automate much.
[21:49] <Tachyon`> ideally that I can feed with VGA or DVI or HDMI as I can convert HDMI to all of those things -.o
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[21:50] <Scriven> 7" is too big for my project.
[21:50] <Tachyon`> too low resolution it seems
[21:50] <Scriven> Tachyon`, 4.3" hdmi would be sweet. ;)
[21:50] <Tachyon`> aye, VGA may be findable
[21:50] <Tachyon`> from old point of sale hardware etc.
[21:50] <Scriven> and since we're dreaming, let's throw in built-in capacitive touch screen!
[21:50] <Tachyon`> also, car pc displays tend to be right but expensive
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[21:51] <Tachyon`> actually a friend has a 6" 800x600 with resistive touchscreen that takes VGA
[21:51] <Tachyon`> so they are aavilable
[21:51] <Tachyon`> but it's in his car and he won't give it to me -.o
[21:51] <Scriven> Tachyon`, I'd love a link to that!
[21:51] <Tachyon`> I'll ask him where he got it, one sec
[21:51] <Scriven> Lol! Not nice of him, rpi >> car!
[21:52] <Pi-Boy> I use a HDMI Touchscreen on my Pi. Works just perfectly
[21:52] <Tachyon`> he doesn't like the pi, seems to like these android sticks that are popular now
[21:52] <Scriven> &nbsp; and random <span> all OVER the place... what kind of evil so-and-so did this. :(
[21:52] <Scriven> Pi-Boy, link??
[21:52] <Tachyon`> but they don't haev enough IO for my purposes
[21:52] <Pi-Boy> Scriven, of the link to the screen?
[21:53] <Scriven> Pi-Boy, yes, please. hdmi touchscreen sounds like something I'd like to know where to get, even if it won't work for my current project!
[21:53] <Pi-Boy> scriven, http://www.ebay.com/itm/HDMI-Samsung-7-LED-LCD-Touch-Monitor-Kit-Out-Door-Industrail-Grade-Sunlight-Car-/120964621436?pt=US_Rear_View_Monitors_Cams_Kits&hash=item1c2a0da47c
[21:53] <Pi-Boy> but there are many more
[21:53] <Scriven> AH, the samsung! I've heard of that one before. Bit $$, but plug-and-play yes?
[21:53] <Pi-Boy> totally
[21:53] <taza> I don't ever buy stuff off eBay anymore
[21:53] <Scriven> taza, y?
[21:53] <Pi-Boy> just a little config on the X and Y Axis and everything is set
[21:53] <taza> I use Amazon's marketplace, so much more pleasant an experience.
[21:54] <taza> Scriven: Such a nightmare from an usability standpoint.
[21:54] <Scriven> Pi-Boy, I'm glad to read of a real-world example of it's plug-and-playness!
[21:54] <Scriven> taza, I've been ebaying since the beginning, I'm used to it. lol
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[21:54] <Tachyon`> hrm, he doesn't remember exactly wehre it came from, heh
[21:54] <Pi-Boy> I made a YT Video of it if you're interesstd
[21:55] <Scriven> Pi-Boy, pls.
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[21:55] <Pi-Boy> scriven, http://youtu.be/o2mttk2SEIY But it's in german
[21:55] <Scriven> Tachyon`, Figures! Time for the enhanced interrogation, rip that info from his brains! ;)
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[21:56] <Scriven> I understood "keyboard"! ;)
[21:57] <Scriven> USB Cable!
[21:57] <Pi-Boy> yeah, I want to use an on-screen keyboard
[21:57] <Scriven> my german's getting better all the time! ;)
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[21:59] <Scriven> I'm really close to getting one of the 4D systems 4.3" touchscreens... gordon's done some tests w/ them, and IIRC they have an onscreen keyboard program.
[21:59] <cornflaku> you know i've been thinking about that as well
[21:59] <cornflaku> i want to make a little jukebox to take with me going camping
[21:59] <cornflaku> not hardcore camping ofc
[21:59] <cornflaku> like kayaking out to an island
[22:00] <Pi-Boy> Scriven, my plan is to make a tablet-like Device fully battery-operated. Mostly compareable to the Pip-Boy from Fallout
[22:00] <Scriven> They're spendy though, holy cow!
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[22:00] <cornflaku> anyways i figure pi + rechargable battery + maybe a screen
[22:00] <Scriven> Pi-Boy, FTW!
[22:00] <_Shurik_> :)
[22:00] <Tachyon`> you should stick a gb emu on it
[22:00] <Scriven> cornflaku, sounds cool
[22:00] <Scriven> Pi-Boy, gonna add one of them geiger counters to it too. ;)
[22:01] <Pi-Boy> geiger counter?
[22:01] <Scriven> radiation detector.
[22:01] <Pi-Boy> oh yeah, of course
[22:01] <Bushmills> some of those so-called power banks for recharging mobile devices have a footprint almost identical to raspberry pi
[22:01] <_Shurik_> I just saw a tricorder project today
[22:01] <Bushmills> plus they deliver 5 V, just a short cable needed
[22:01] <_Shurik_> Not sure how good it will be though :)
[22:03] <Scriven> _Shurik_, isn't that fantastic! telnet to your own tricorder FTW!
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[22:03] <_Shurik_> :))
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[22:03] <Tachyon`> there's already a rechargeable brick that can run a model a for 24 hours
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[22:03] <Tachyon`> cpc sell it
[22:03] <Tachyon`> or maplins
[22:03] <Tachyon`> one of them
[22:04] <Scriven> I'm just using RC Vehicle Lipos and a Voltage regulator, works like a charm.
[22:04] <Scriven> I haven't run it for a longg time yet, cause I have no battery monitor and auto-shutoff yet.
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[22:04] <Scriven> am contemplating hacking the 4.3 LCD to run from my supplied 5V and not it's own 12V-5V stepdown.
[22:06] <Scriven> Once I figure a way to properly monitor voltages/currents from 5V-110V and lots of amps, I'll do a RPI bike computer too. ;)
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[22:08] <Scriven> taza, Do you find the same items on amazon's marketplace as ebay? How about prices?
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[22:08] <taza> Scriven: Not as good a selection.
[22:09] <Scriven> what about quality-of-items? If it's got a higher S:N ratio it may be better even with less selection. ;)
[22:09] <taza> Quality is better, and more as described. :p
[22:09] <taza> More importantly, it's all buy it now style, so.
[22:09] <Scriven> paypal/cash-sender support?
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[22:09] <Scriven> ;)
[22:10] <taza> Of course not PayPal. :p
[22:10] <taza> Amazon Payments.
[22:11] <Scriven> Amazon should support Cash Sender then! ;D And I thought ebay had separated from paypal again, that's why I asked.
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[22:14] <Scriven> OK, bbl, gonna play with my son for a bit.
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[22:24] <TKeur> Hi ! :)
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[22:55] <riddled> hello anyone here
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[22:56] <riddled> i am having trouble with my new pi
[22:56] <shiftplusone> hi, about 400 of us
[22:56] <shiftplusone> What kind of trouble?
[22:56] <doc_b> I have my pi connected to the router via wifi. I want to be able to connect something to the eth0 port on the pi and bridge the connection. is this what i need??
[22:57] <doc_b> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=30935
[22:57] <riddled> on my pi the red light is coming on so i know it is on but i cant get any signal to the tv. I have tried two different tv and i have tried hdmi and the rca jack
[22:57] <doc_b> auto br0 iface br0 inet dhcp bridge_ports wlan0 eth0
[22:57] <shiftplusone> riddle, just the red light alone?
[22:57] <riddled> yes just one red light
[22:58] <_Shurik_> riddled: do you have powerfull enough PSU?
[22:58] <doc_b> is sd car plugged in??
[22:58] <_Shurik_> 0.7 A or more?
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[22:58] <shiftplusone> riddle, http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting#Red_power_LED_is_on.2C_green_LED_does_not_flash.2C_nothing_on_display
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[23:00] <doc_b> how to bridge internet. WiFi into pi and ethernet out
[23:00] <doc_b> auto br0 iface br0 inet dhcp bridge_ports wlan0 eth0
[23:00] <doc_b> this??
[23:00] <_Shurik_> hmm
[23:00] <_Shurik_> Not sure
[23:01] <doc_b> _Shurik_: Me??
[23:01] <_Shurik_> doc_b: yeah, advanced linux routing is not something I know :)) Sorry
[23:02] <riddled> thanks everyone i am going to try the stuff in the troubleshooting article
[23:02] <_Shurik_> maybe proxy of some sort?
[23:02] <doc_b> ahh. I've found stuff on WiFi bridge but i want to connect extra device to eth0
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[23:07] <bdavenport> doc_b, looking at that post, from what I remember what msamman posted is what you want
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[23:07] <doc_b> bdavenport: bridge_ports wlan0 eth0
[23:07] <doc_b> is the correct order??
[23:07] <doc_b> does that share wifi to eth0 or backwards
[23:09] <shiftplusone> I haven't done it myself, so I don't know. However, the smartest thing to do is to read the relevant documentation and understand what the commands you are using actually do, rather than copying and pasting. Then if you need to do it again next time, it will be a lot simpler and you'll be able to help others with this problem.
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[23:09] <doc_b> shiftplusone: good point. ill start reading thanks
[23:10] <shiftplusone> good luck
[23:10] <doc_b> haha thanks
[23:10] <bdavenport> sorry, had to "thwack" a server here at the office
[23:10] <bdavenport> that should be a two way bridge
[23:11] <bdavenport> that also "sounds" like the correct order of steps
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[23:12] <bdavenport> but I very much second shiftplusone's comment, its just been about 4 years since I messed with bridging in linux
[23:12] <doc_b> just wanted to make sure it was in the correct direction. ill read up on the stuff and see what i find
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