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IRC Log for 2013-05-08

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[0:13] <Macer> has anybody run libreoffice in raspbian?
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[0:14] <chod> not i, its a bit big
[0:14] <chod> report back ;-)
[0:14] <Macer> lol
[0:14] <tim_tam> seems a bit heavy Macer
[0:15] <Macer> tim_tam: that's why i was asking
[0:15] <Macer> i'm going to try to use a pi as a "workstation" and was wondering if it worked :)
[0:15] <pksato> Macer: use (La)TeX
[0:16] <Macer> pksato: i figured latex nowadays is as bloated as libreoffice or openoffice heh
[0:16] <Macer> i wonder if openoffice relies on java nowadays still
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[0:16] <Macer> i can see java totally destroying the pi
[0:16] <pksato> ok...
[0:16] <pksato> abiword?
[0:17] <Macer> abiword was good ;)
[0:17] <Macer> and use gnumeric?
[0:17] <chod> wot do you need to work with on the pi >?
[0:17] <Macer> i need to scan too i will have to see what the repo has for it
[0:17] <Macer> chod: just seeing about typical office work
[0:17] <Macer> and browsing
[0:17] <Macer> kde4 on the pi?? heh
[0:17] <chod> riscos has very lightweight apps and itself is lightweight
[0:18] <plugwash> Macer, yes people have run it
[0:18] <Macer> plugwash: really?
[0:18] <plugwash> and apparently found it usable, I dunno how masochistic they were though
[0:18] <Macer> i wonder how well that runs
[0:18] <chod> but dont expect new fangled phat stuff
[0:18] <Macer> plugwash: haha
[0:18] <Macer> i don't know.. i ran kde4 on an old omap
[0:18] <Macer> it was a bit intolerable tho
[0:18] <Macer> and running at 600MHz i believe
[0:19] <chod> riscos is good on 200mhz
[0:19] <taza> I've ran KDE on a 233mhz P2.
[0:19] <Macer> taza: lol.. kde1.0?
[0:19] <Macer> :)
[0:19] <taza> 2something. ;p
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[0:19] <Macer> 0.1alpha
[0:19] <Macer> heh
[0:20] <Macer> i still need the powered hub.. but it woudl be interesting to see if i could turn a pi into a workstation
[0:20] <taza> 2.0 was released in 2000
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[0:20] <Macer> too bad it doesn't have any acpi power down functions
[0:20] <pksato> why modern applications are so bloated? :)
[0:20] <Macer> pksato: because asia made ram/storage cheap
[0:20] <Macer> as well as cpus
[0:20] <chod> cos coders are not limited by much
[0:21] <Macer> the only ones sticking to the old dev ways of smaller is better were symbian devs
[0:21] <Macer> RIP symbian :'(
[0:21] <chod> 'arm'
[0:21] <roll> has anyone cross compiled charybdis for the rpi from ubuntu? when running ./configure it tells me i probably want to use --host when i cross compile, but i'm not sure exactly what to specify here
[0:21] <taza> I got attacked by a drunk that used to be a Symbian developer a while back.
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[0:21] <chod> heh
[0:21] <Macer> taza: lol
[0:21] <taza> It's a common sight around here. I live in central Finland.
[0:21] <Macer> taza: you should have whipped out the e7 and showed him how awesome it is!
[0:22] <chod> e7?
[0:22] <cornflaku> amp
[0:22] <Macer> what did you do? use a wp7 phone in front of him?
[0:22] <cornflaku> headphone variety
[0:22] <Macer> lol
[0:22] <taza> iPhone.
[0:22] <Macer> chod: nokia e7
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[0:22] <Macer> taza: yeah.. i'm sure they had iphones too :)
[0:22] * chod nods
[0:22] <Macer> hate
[0:22] <Macer> chod: i have an e7 and an n900
[0:22] <chod> coo
[0:22] <Macer> back in the days of yore where nokia was awesome
[0:22] <taza> Depends on the dev. Some went to work for the startups, some just started drinking.
[0:22] * chod has htc
[0:22] <tim_tam> I used to live in Mikkeli
[0:22] <Macer> the n900 is the special one ;)
[0:23] <Macer> maemo > *
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[0:23] <cornflaku> my girlfriend swears by wp7
[0:23] <chod> they dont do riscos phone
[0:23] <cornflaku> shit is terrible
[0:23] <taza> Some of them started farming, even.
[0:23] <Macer> wp7 is microsoft ios
[0:23] <Macer> heh
[0:23] <cornflaku> oops sorry for the cursing
[0:23] <chod> women Doh
[0:23] <Macer> i haven't tried win8 but the way multitasking worked in wp7 was exactly like ios
[0:23] <cornflaku> ikr
[0:23] <cornflaku> oh pause state?
[0:23] <cornflaku> or save state
[0:23] <Macer> yes
[0:23] <Macer> both lol
[0:23] <cornflaku> yeah
[0:24] <cornflaku> i mean that's legit
[0:24] <cornflaku> but the interface is just
[0:24] <cornflaku> ugh
[0:24] <cornflaku> and it's so inaccessible
[0:24] <Macer> it reminded me of an iphone with a different icon screen
[0:24] <taza> (I live very close to the old Nokia HQ.)
[0:24] <Macer> but i'm not sure if they do it the same way in win8
[0:24] <cornflaku> and while it is fast, it does indeed slow down
[0:24] <Macer> or swapped over to some sort of real multitasking
[0:24] <cornflaku> doubt it
[0:24] <cornflaku> i'm sure it's the same
[0:24] <Macer> symbian did it best :(
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[0:24] <Macer> symbian and maemo = REAL multitasking
[0:25] <taza> Symbian died for a reason.
[0:25] <cornflaku> ^
[0:25] <cornflaku> lol
[0:25] <Macer> taza: yeah.. crap interface
[0:25] <taza> Awful everything by the end.
[0:25] <Macer> symbian belle looked exactly like android before it was discontinued
[0:25] <Macer> it's great
[0:25] <Macer> i love my e7 :)
[0:25] <Macer> if someone used symbian belle on my e7 they'd probably think it was android
[0:26] <Macer> the n900 is just debian in your pocket
[0:26] <Macer> which is why i like it more
[0:26] <taza> The n900 was great, yeah.
[0:26] <Macer> is great ;)
[0:26] <Macer> there won't be another one likek it
[0:26] <taza> Was.
[0:26] <Macer> IS!
[0:26] <Macer> haha
[0:26] <Macer> show me another device where you can walk around using apt :)
[0:26] <taza> Well, that's why Symbian died. Inability to let go of the old and embrace the new.
[0:27] <Macer> they started to towards the end but by then the nokia stock had gone into the toilet
[0:27] <Macer> either way tho... symbian running on iphone hardware would have been a beast
[0:27] <Macer> a lot of symbian based stuff used like 32MB of ram lol
[0:27] <Macer> and still went faster than your typical modern device
[0:28] <taza> Symbian's gone. So's Nokia.
[0:28] <Macer> the symbian devs were the cream of the crop :) i hope most of them found jobs but now all the stuff is outsourced to india
[0:28] <Macer> :-/
[0:28] <Macer> no.. nokia is still hanging around
[0:28] <taza> Only in name.
[0:28] <Macer> they might bounce back like apple after the ipod and macbook
[0:28] <Macer> apple was about to go bankrupt before the ipod
[0:28] <taza> I live next to the old Nokia HQ, see.
[0:29] <taza> They've fired thousands of people around here.
[0:29] <Macer> taza: does it have a MS logo on the top of it? :)
[0:29] <taza> Pretty much.
[0:29] <Macer> yeah.. they don't hvae the money anymore
[0:29] <Macer> they used to spend like 10B in r&d
[0:29] <Macer> that's insane
[0:29] <Macer> now i'd be impressed if they were even worth 10B
[0:29] <taza> Microsoft gutted Nokia, most of the employees were fired.
[0:29] <Macer> either way tho.... symbian towards the end was becomign something awesome
[0:30] <Macer> and maemo and meego were good alternatives.. .jsut ran out of time
[0:30] <Macer> ios and android ruined nokia
[0:30] <Macer> gave the cattle what they wanted
[0:30] <Macer> moo
[0:30] <taza> Eh, not really.
[0:30] <taza> Nokia ruined Nokia.
[0:30] <Macer> well yeah.. that too :)
[0:30] <Macer> they couldn't adapt quick enough
[0:30] <taza> They were making shoddy devices by the end and were cutting corners like no tomorrow.
[0:31] <Macer> and were arrogant
[0:31] <Macer> yah :-/
[0:31] <Macer> well.. they were trying to stay afloat with their "dumbphone" markets in asia and india
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[0:31] <Macer> i can't believe their ceo wasn't fired years ago
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[0:32] <Macer> elop the destroyer
[0:32] <nOStahl> hey guys anyone know of a channel for mk802 mk808 etc?
[0:32] <taza> Elop isn't the problem.
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[0:32] <taza> You're blaming the gravedigger for the death.
[0:32] <Macer> nOStahl: no sorry :-/
[0:32] <Macer> lol
[0:32] <Macer> naw..he had a chance
[0:32] <taza> Olli-Pekka Kallasvuo
[0:33] <taza> Look at the Nokia CEOs
[0:33] <Macer> his smartest move would have been to use android
[0:33] <Macer> but he passed on it
[0:33] <Macer> that would have stopped the bleeding
[0:33] <taza> Frankly, he came directly from Microsoft and all he did was gutted Nokia for the useful parts.
[0:33] <Macer> yeah pretty much
[0:33] <taza> Look at when Jorma Ollila left Nokia.
[0:33] <Macer> then had ms come in and buy them out without buying them out :)
[0:35] <Macer> it really is a shame
[0:35] <Macer> either way tho.. my n900 is AWESOME :)
[0:35] <Macer> old device and probably still better than 90% of the stuff out there
[0:35] <Macer> it jsut wasn't a cattle based device
[0:36] <Macer> anyways tho.. i would like to use my spare pi as a "desktop/workstation"
[0:36] <taza> Macer: Look at the dates the CEOs changed positions in Nokia.
[0:36] <Macer> heh
[0:36] <Macer> didn't ollilia leave in like 06?
[0:36] <Macer> right after the iphone was announced? :)
[0:36] <Macer> ollila
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[0:37] <SpeedEvil> pi blows hard as a workstation
[0:37] <Macer> taza: my favorite thing about ollila was that he has chinese citizenship :) lol
[0:37] <SpeedEvil> it's just not got enough oomph
[0:38] <taza> He was the smart CEO
[0:38] <SpeedEvil> especially the lack of 2d accel
[0:38] <Macer> SpeedEvil: 2D accel?
[0:38] <SpeedEvil> use
[0:38] <SpeedEvil> use
[0:38] <SpeedEvil> yes
[0:38] <ShadowJK> so about the same speed as N8x0? :)
[0:38] <Macer> haha
[0:38] <SpeedEvil> it's a dumb frame buffer
[0:38] <Macer> ShadowJK: i still have an n810 ;)
[0:38] <SpeedEvil> and can have much larger displays
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[0:39] <taza> Well, hopefully Olli-Pekka Kallasvuo has the same results for TeliaSonera.
[0:39] <taza> Because god am I tired of TeliaSonera being a thing.
[0:39] <taza> If you've ever been a customer of TeliaSonera, you know what I mean.
[0:40] * ShadowJK stopped that
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[0:40] <taza> Stopped being a customer of TeliaSonera? Yeah, me too, as far as I could.
[0:41] <ShadowJK> They came and gathered up their roadside cables and telephone poles this winter
[0:41] <ShadowJK> I guess nobody else around here was a customer anymore either.
[0:41] <taza> Service so good that the only customer service department I've shrieked in rage to more is EA's.
[0:42] <ShadowJK> My parents are still customers. TS seems to employ random monkeys to create bills, and randomly sign customers up for extra services they didn't order.
[0:43] <taza> No kidding they at a point increased the monthly cost by ten at a point then said it was due to "overwhelming customer demand"
[0:43] <taza> At which point I went "[CENSORED]" and switched to Elisa.
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[0:45] <taza> Elisa has awful customer service - like genuinely awful - and they seem to love creating the illusion of competing on price while nickel-and-diming everything ever.
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[0:46] <taza> Thing is, if they had competent customer service when there's a fault and just had the prices higher instead of constant "oh, that feature isn't activated, you can have it activated for only $5 a month, please visit by one of our retail locations" they'd still have me as a customer.
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[0:47] * ShadowJK switched to saunalahti in 2003, and hasn't ever had a need to contact customer service ever
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[0:47] <taza> Yeah, I went years without needing to contact customer service.
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[0:48] <taza> Then their network broke locally and I found myself in a nifty situation where the wait times were 3+ hours.
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[0:49] <ShadowJK> Yeah it broke once, but it was already on their map so I thought it was pointless to report it
[0:49] <taza> I finally gave them an ultimatum where they either got me support without me waiting on the phone or I was switching. (I was fine with waiting, but not waiting while holding the phone.)
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[0:53] <taza> Might have been because I had an important call to get later... and it was -30C and I was outside.
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[0:54] <taza> How did I solve that? Borrowed a family member's phone.
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[0:58] <ShadowJK> Why bother, if their cs was jammed other people were clearly complaining about the same thing, and the cs people can't fix things, and even if they could, they'd have less time to do actual work if they have to answer more calls heh
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[0:59] <taza> Thing is, the CS front said there wasn't a known problem
[1:00] <taza> They have multi-tiered CS.
[1:00] <taza> The person escalating me said there wasn't a problem known. And their CS is ALWAYS jammed.
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[1:01] <ShadowJK> It's easy enough to check on their map, and there's separate number for reporting obvious failures :)
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[1:02] <taza> Well, I got redirected to the obvious failures line, 3h+
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[1:02] <taza> Might be a new system now.
[1:02] <taza> It was a while back.
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[1:07] <djazz> anyone wanna make a web radio on their pi?
[1:07] <djazz> that streams music
[1:09] <chod> cool
[1:09] <chod> like streamtuner?
[1:09] <chod> djazz:
[1:10] <djazz> chod: This is what I made: http://djazz.mine.nu:1337/
[1:10] <djazz> uses mpd and icecast
[1:10] <djazz> php and nodejs, mariadb as database
[1:10] <chod> feck is that on a pi servving?
[1:11] <djazz> yea
[1:11] <chod> cool
[1:11] <djazz> I have tested with about 20 clients at the same time, no lag
[1:11] <chod> a bit pink ;-)
[1:11] <djazz> :P
[1:11] <chod> where are the feeds from
[1:11] <djazz> feeds?
[1:11] <SophieRxx> That's awesome. How complex is it to do?
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[1:12] <chod> stations
[1:12] <djazz> thats the play history
[1:12] <djazz> well
[1:12] <djazz> chod: the pi have an mp3 player with music on
[1:12] <djazz> SophieRxx: pretty complex
[1:12] <chod> mpd
[1:12] <chod> is that like shoutcast?
[1:12] <djazz> mpd plays the music and sends to icecast
[1:12] <djazz> yes
[1:12] <chod> nod
[1:13] <taza> Hm. Actually. I want software I can control from the command line AND a GUI that can play shoutcast/icecast
[1:13] <djazz> its a shoutcast-type of server
[1:13] <taza> Or well, two separate command lines.
[1:13] <djazz> taza: MPD have an Android app
[1:13] <djazz> :P
[1:13] <taza> So I guess screen + some commandline shoutcast players.
[1:13] <djazz> taza: that wouldnt be hard
[1:13] <taza> djazz: Relevant how?
[1:13] <djazz> all you need is mpc
[1:14] <djazz> or you mean listen to streams?
[1:14] <djazz> or control?
[1:14] <taza> Lemme explain the setup instead.
[1:14] <taza> Raspberry Pi plugged into a home stereo, controlled from an attached HDMI display + keyboard AND through SSH.
[1:15] <taza> Want to use the Raspberry Pi to play Shoutcast to the stereo.
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[1:15] <djazz> taza: just use omxplayer...?
[1:15] <djazz> omxplayer -o local <url>
[1:15] <taza> Yeah, any command line player works.
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[1:15] <djazz> thats what I do to listen to music on the pi
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[1:17] <chod> so it monitors command line? also?
[1:17] <djazz> chod: hm?
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[1:18] <taza> I use my Pi to make my TV/media system significantly smarter.
[1:18] <pksato> for music player, try mpd
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[1:18] <pksato> or xmms2
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[1:21] <chod> djazz: omg it works over wlan with gui
[1:22] <chod> odd
[1:22] <chod> the player with no visulation are jittery yet the other is not
[1:23] <djazz> chod: what does?
[1:25] <chod> the non visulation players
[1:25] <chod> i think the fault is here
[1:25] <djazz> in my radio?
[1:25] <chod> yup
[1:25] <chod> fault is here
[1:25] <chod> flash
[1:25] <djazz> chrome/firefox?
[1:25] <chod> chrome
[1:25] <chod> loonix
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[1:31] <pksato> http://www.bobrathbone.com/raspberrypi_radio4.htm
[1:31] <roll> is it a good idea to just boot from the sd card and have it transfer to a usb flash drive? less wear and much, much, much faster?
[1:32] <Tachyon`> hrm, that's quite nice
[1:33] <BurtyB> roll, still going to get wear
[1:33] <roll> BurtyB: mhm, but it'll be much, much less, and therefore last longer, right? is ther a better way? it has to boot from the sd card so i can't think of a better way
[1:34] <djazz> hmm.. what should I name my pi radio... hmm
[1:34] <BurtyB> roll, well it's just going to be moving the wear from the SD to the USB flash
[1:34] <djazz> gonna make a git repo
[1:34] <chod> piadio
[1:35] <roll> BurtyB: well, yes, but the usb flash is also going to (a) last longer and (b) be a lot faster
[1:35] <chod> piradio
[1:35] <chod> piFM
[1:35] <djazz> I could call it wonder-radio, as I originally made it for the lan party WonderLAN
[1:35] <djazz> chod: too.. generic
[1:36] <chod> :D
[1:36] <djazz> :D
[1:36] <chod> wonder-pi
[1:36] <chod> wonder-FM
[1:37] <chod> night all
[1:37] <djazz> https://github.com/daniel-j/wonder-radio :P
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[1:49] <djazz> sooo... anyone want a webradio on their pi? I'm ready to help ;)
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[1:50] <djazz> it will turn out like what I have: http://djazz.mine.nu:1337/
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[1:50] <djazz> and you must run Arch Linux ARM, as I don't know how to do it on Raspbian
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[1:51] <djazz> (configuring mpd/icecast/php)
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[2:12] <djazz> or are everyone asleep? :P
[2:13] <Tachyon`> not yet
[2:13] <Tachyon`> soon
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[2:14] <djazz> k
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[2:23] <applegekko> why not add to aur?
[2:23] <djazz> applegekko: hm?
[2:24] <djazz> yea, its quite hard to set up
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[2:24] <applegekko> be easy if there be a pkgbuild for it on aur
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[2:36] <Mannequin> hi. n00b here. I'm setting up my RPi with berryboot OS loader.
[2:37] <Mannequin> Where's a good place to put files (video, audio) that I'd like to share across the different OSes I may install?
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[2:37] <Mannequin> (I mean, in the same SD card where berryboot and OSes are installed)
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[2:42] <Mannequin> mmm, it seems I cannot write anything to the SD card (I've mounted the card on my desktop computer running Debian)
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[2:44] <Mannequin> the card is mounted as root user :/
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[2:50] <Tachyon`> anyone know where the short micro sd adapters can be found? that fit flush, RS-MMC sized
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[2:50] <Tachyon`> did find one on ebay but it was 13 quid, which is about a tenner more than I'm willing to pay for a passive adapter
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[2:51] <Tachyon`> http://i.ebayimg.com/t/Macbook-Air-Pro-storage-expansion-adapter-card-MicroSD-to-short-SD-RS-MMC-/00/s/MjIwWDI5Mw==/z/wIcAAOxyJ8ZRhIH-/$T2eC16VHJGIFFogWHgwYBRhIH-KHWw~~60_35.JPG
[2:51] <Tachyon`> looks like that
[2:51] <plugwash> That's what you pay for low volume niche products rather than mass-market stuff :(
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[2:52] <Tachyon`> bah -.-
[2:52] <Tachyon`> the normal ones are a quid
[2:52] <Tachyon`> I've taken to using those and micro sd cards as if the casing cracks apart like the kingston rubbish I can just replace the case and not lose the card
[2:52] <Tachyon`> just playing with the rather impressive berry boot at
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[2:53] <Tachyon`> not done anything with it yet but it looks like it might setup unions so you get the full card free space on any OS
[2:53] <plugwash> also many arm boards take microsd cards, the Pi is fairly unusual in using full sized SD
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[2:53] <Tachyon`> yes well, I'm just not overly fond of things sticking out, the keyboard dongle the size of my thumb is bad enough, lol
[2:54] <Tachyon`> although the keyboard itself is the best wifi one I've had so I can forgive it
[2:54] <Tachyon`> also oneo f the cheapest
[2:54] <Tachyon`> well, wireless
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[3:15] <xmath279> Hey guys, the audio jack output volume is very low. When I compare it with my cellphone, it's horribly low. Is there anything I can do about it? (I'm running Xbian)
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[3:43] <micros> anyone know how to enable core dumps?
[3:44] <micros> ulimit is set to unlimited, but no core is generated
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[4:08] <micros> anyone around?
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[4:13] <djazz> micros: yea?
[4:16] <Triffid_Hunter> xmath279: what are you driving with it? the output impedance is quite high so you'll get almost nothing through earphones/headphones but it should be fine with external amplification
[4:17] <xmath279> It's plugged on a Denon system
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[4:18] <devslash> i just got my raspberry pi. i inserted the sdcard connected it a usb wall charger that provides 2.1amp . the led light is red but nothing is happening
[4:19] <djazz> devslash: using Raspbian?
[4:19] <devslash> arch linux image from raspberry pi site
[4:19] <djazz> ah
[4:19] <IanCormac> When you plug the sd card into your computer, does your computer pick up any disks?
[4:19] <djazz> and how did you put it on the sd card?
[4:19] <devslash> does that matter
[4:20] <devslash> i flashed it using dd
[4:20] <IanCormac> What operating system
[4:20] <devslash> mac
[4:20] <IanCormac> Did you flash it from
[4:20] <IanCormac> OK
[4:20] <IanCormac> Plug in the SD card
[4:20] <devslash> dd if=imagefile of=/dev/disk2s1
[4:20] <IanCormac> do any disks come up in finder?
[4:20] <devslash> into my mac
[4:20] <IanCormac> Yes
[4:21] <devslash> ok
[4:21] <devslash> it says its not read ble
[4:21] <IanCormac> OK
[4:21] <IanCormac> problem
[4:21] <pksato> micros: you do ulimit -c unlimited ?
[4:21] <IanCormac> is "dd if=imagefile of=/dev/disk2s1" the only command you ran?
[4:21] <devslash> yes
[4:21] <IanCormac> OK then
[4:21] <IanCormac> that's not right
[4:21] <djazz> i need to do "sudo sync" on ubuntu
[4:21] <IanCormac> Here's the trick:
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[4:21] <Triffid_Hunter> devslash: not sure how things are laid out on macs, but did you just flash the image to a partition? it needs to go on the disk, as the image contains partitions
[4:21] <IanCormac> unplug sd card
[4:21] <IanCormac> It's OK triffid
[4:21] <IanCormac> I know what he did
[4:21] <IanCormac> 99% sure
[4:21] <devslash> i followed a tutorial
[4:21] <IanCormac> let me know when it's unplugged
[4:22] <devslash> ok i removed it
[4:22] <IanCormac> Did the tutorial have any other commands?
[4:22] <devslash> now
[4:22] <devslash> no
[4:22] <IanCormac> OK, do the command "diskutil list"
[4:22] <IanCormac> with the SD card unplugged
[4:22] <IanCormac> tell me when you're done
[4:22] <devslash> do you mean plugged in but unmounted ?
[4:22] <IanCormac> no
[4:22] <IanCormac> just unplugged
[4:22] <devslash> removed completely then
[4:22] <IanCormac> all the way
[4:22] <IanCormac> yes
[4:22] <devslash> ok
[4:22] <IanCormac> ok
[4:22] <IanCormac> now
[4:23] <devslash> ok i did diskutil list
[4:23] <IanCormac> plug the card in and run "diskutil list" again
[4:23] <devslash> its /dev/disk2
[4:23] <devslash> #: TYPE NAME SIZE IDENTIFIER
[4:23] <devslash> 0: FDisk_partition_scheme *7.9 GB disk2
[4:23] <devslash> 1: DOS_FAT_32 7.9 GB disk2s1
[4:23] <IanCormac> ok
[4:23] <IanCormac> I assume you have 8gb SD card?
[4:23] <devslash> yea
[4:23] <IanCormac> ok
[4:24] <devslash> sdhc
[4:24] <IanCormac> perfect
[4:24] <IanCormac> now do this
[4:24] <IanCormac> diskutil unmountdisk /dev/disk2
[4:24] <devslash> done
[4:24] <IanCormac> ok
[4:24] <IanCormac> now
[4:24] <IanCormac> sudo dd bs=1m if=[OS file] of=/dev/rdisk2
[4:25] <devslash> again ?
[4:25] <IanCormac> Notice the differences
[4:25] <IanCormac> a different outfile
[4:25] <devslash> i did that except bs=1m
[4:25] <devslash> oh
[4:25] <devslash> i did /dev/disk2s2
[4:25] <IanCormac> Yeah, just do /dev/rdisk2
[4:25] <IanCormac> Don't forget the r
[4:26] <Triffid_Hunter> IanCormac: what's the relevance of the r?
[4:26] <IanCormac> and bs=1m makes it faster
[4:26] <IanCormac> raw disk
[4:26] <IanCormac> speed benefit
[4:26] <IanCormac> I think that's all the r does
[4:26] <devslash> ok its running. when i did it yesterday i didn't do bs=1m and it took forever
[4:26] <IanCormac> I always use it just because it's faster
[4:26] <IanCormac> Yeah
[4:27] <IanCormac> bs=1m copies 1MB at a time
[4:27] <devslash> right
[4:27] <IanCormac> by default, dd just does 512B at a time
[4:27] <IanCormac> very slow
[4:27] <devslash> not kb but byte ?
[4:27] <devslash> wow....
[4:27] <IanCormac> yep
[4:27] <devslash> huge difference...
[4:27] <devslash> is that all ?
[4:27] <Triffid_Hunter> dd is a relic from back in the day when block size was relevant to applications
[4:27] <devslash> i mean once it finishes do i need to do anything else
[4:28] <IanCormac> Open Activity Monitor.app and check your disk activity
[4:28] <Triffid_Hunter> cat should work fine fwiw ;)
[4:28] <IanCormac> it will show write speed
[4:28] <IanCormac> I think that's it
[4:28] <IanCormac> no, it won't Triffid
[4:28] <Triffid_Hunter> or you can killall -USR1 dd
[4:28] <IanCormac> because /dev/disk devices are owned by root
[4:28] <IanCormac> on OS X
[4:28] <Triffid_Hunter> IanCormac: so? just have to run cat as root
[4:28] <IanCormac> Oh
[4:28] <devslash> 8.50mb/sec
[4:28] <IanCormac> I thought you meant "cat img.img > /dev/disk"
[4:28] <IanCormac> you can't do that
[4:28] <IanCormac> but yeah I guess you could specify an outfile
[4:29] <IanCormac> But I don't know what blocksize cat uses
[4:29] <devslash> once it finishes do i need to do anything else
[4:29] <IanCormac> I don't think so
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[4:29] <IanCormac> that should be all
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[4:29] <Triffid_Hunter> IanCormac: doesn't really matter, it writes continuously so the kernel can buffer and sort it out
[4:29] <devslash> i hope it boots
[4:29] <IanCormac> Triffid: The question is how much it writes per write syscall
[4:29] <IanCormac> write() is slow
[4:29] <IanCormac> you want to copy a lot per write() invocation
[4:30] <IanCormac> and I don't know how cat behaves in that regard
[4:31] <Triffid_Hunter> cat has 64k blocksize, just pointed strace at it
[4:31] <devslash> IanCormac: you're awesome
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[4:34] <IanCormac_> Gah
[4:34] <IanCormac_> why does IRC take like 3 minutes to timeout
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[4:35] <Nemo7> you can /ns ghost on freenode
[4:36] <Nemo7> -> /ns help ghost
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[4:50] <\\Mr_C\\> is there a new installer yet for the new debian wheezy?
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[5:19] <devslash> has anyone here managed to install lamp on a raspberry pi running arch linux ? when i do pacman -S mysql or pacman -S apache i get 404 errors
[5:22] <shiftplusone> have you ran pacman -Syu ?
[5:22] <devslash> i have now :)
[5:22] <shiftplusone> should've backed up your firmware first, but anyway.... does it work now?
[5:23] <devslash> well its updating a lot of packages
[5:23] <devslash> seems to be working
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[5:48] <devslash> shiftplusone: i did pacman -Syu and now when i do pacman -S apache i get an error Could not resolve host: mirror.archlinuxarm.org
[5:48] <shiftplusone> sounds like a network error on your end
[5:49] <shiftplusone> but you can poke #archlinux-arm if you don't think so
[5:49] <devslash> every other site works...
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[5:49] <shiftplusone> mirror.archlinuxarm.org resolves fine here
[5:49] <Triffid_Hunter> yeah resolves here too, I get 6 different ips for it
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[5:51] <x29a> devslash: whats the output of "nslookup mirror.archlinuxarm.org" on your machine?
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[5:52] <devslash> hang on
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[5:53] <devslash> i figured out the problem
[5:54] <shiftplusone> What was it?
[5:55] <devslash> id configured /etc/network.d/ethernet-eth0 to use a static ip. i changed it back to dhcp for now
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[5:55] <Triffid_Hunter> devslash: static ip works, but you need to put a nameserver in /etc/resolv.conf as well
[5:55] <devslash> oh
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[5:55] <devslash> i can use 8.8.8.8 google's dns right ?
[5:56] <Triffid_Hunter> devslash: yep, 8.8.8.8 / 8.8.4.4 / 4.2.2.1 / 4.2.2.2 are easy remembered public dns
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[5:56] <devslash> ok thanks
[5:56] <Triffid_Hunter> devslash: considering installing unbound or similar for dns cacheing if you have latency to those servers
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[5:57] <devslash> I'm surprised. i plugged in my usb hard drive into my rpi. the usb drive doesn't have external power. i used an iPad 2.1 A power adapter and the usb drive is detected...
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[5:58] <shiftplusone> And does it work reliably?
[5:58] <devslash> seems to be so far
[5:58] <Triffid_Hunter> devslash: heh I made a few mods to my rpi to help with stuff like that.. see http://triffid-hunter.no-ip.info/101_0120.JPG for example
[5:59] <devslash> u just mounted it
[5:59] <devslash> i
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[6:06] <BlueMint> Triffid_Hunter, are you hosting that site on a RPi?
[6:06] <Triffid_Hunter> BlueMint: heh nope, that's a rackspace virtual host
[6:08] <BlueMint> ahh, okay
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[6:33] <Grievar> hmm
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[8:16] <\\Mr_C\\> hmm
[8:16] <\\Mr_C\\> wtf
[8:17] <\\Mr_C\\> is anyone awake?
[8:17] <shiftplusone> I was last time I checked
[8:17] <\\Mr_C\\> what does this do?
[8:17] <\\Mr_C\\> elevator=deadline
[8:17] <\\Mr_C\\> i cant find a doc about anything of the nature
[8:17] <shiftplusone> I don't know, but a quick google search tells me it's an io scheduler
[8:18] <shiftplusone> The Deadline elevator uses a deadline algorithm to minimize I/O latency for a given I/O request. The scheduler provides near real-time behavior and uses a round robin policy to attempt to be fair among multiple I/O requests and to avoid process starvation. Using five I/O queues, this scheduler will aggressively re-order requests to improve I/O performance.
[8:19] <shiftplusone> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deadline_scheduler
[8:19] <\\Mr_C\\> thanks
[8:19] <\\Mr_C\\> i was searching wrong
[8:19] <\\Mr_C\\> hehe
[8:19] <shiftplusone> Happens
[8:19] <\\Mr_C\\> i was doing raspberry pi cmd.txt deadline
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[8:53] <drama247365> is there any reason i can't just ssh into my raspi (it's turned on) instead of needing to plug in an hdmi cable and then pulling the plug after it has booted?
[8:54] <shiftplusone> What do you mean? SSH should work just fine without an hdmi cable anywhere near the pi
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[8:56] <drama247365> i mean it doesn't boot unless it's plugged into a monitor at first, even if i want to use it locally, if i put the power plug in first but then the hdmi, i need to pull the power in and out to get a display
[8:56] <shiftplusone> That's not normal
[8:57] <drama247365> yeah, i didn't think so
[8:57] <shiftplusone> You're not using something like a lapdock or the usb port on a tv?
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[8:57] <shiftplusone> What happens to the LEDs when you plug the power in without the hdmi cable?
[8:58] <drama247365> they light up as if it's working
[8:58] <shiftplusone> I think you might be misdiagnosing what's going on somehow.
[8:58] <drama247365> as for power, i'm just using the micro (or is it mini) usb cable plugged into an iphone power plug
[8:58] <shiftplusone> Are you waiting long enough for the network to come up?
[8:58] <drama247365> well i thought it was asleep, so i plugged in a keyboard and mashed it and no go, can't ssh into it either
[8:59] <drama247365> yeah, i'm talking about turning it on and sitting down an hour later to ssh into it, having to get back up, plug an hdmi cable into it, repowering it and pulling the hdmi
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[8:59] <shiftplusone> Haven't heard of that happening before
[9:00] <drama247365> it should boot despite no hdmi or tv cable right?
[9:00] <shiftplusone> And it does
[9:00] <shiftplusone> (given that the LED lights do their thing)
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[9:01] <shiftplusone> Sounds like you're running into some sort of network error.
[9:01] <drama247365> it's not though as i can't ssh into it
[9:01] <drama247365> it has a static ip so not dhcp issue
[9:01] <shiftplusone> Unless it's not configured properly..... but again, the hdmi cable should make absolutely no difference.
[9:02] <shiftplusone> Anyway, good luck. Maybe someone else will reply.
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[9:03] <drama247365> ty anyway
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[9:17] <[Saint]> drama247365: have you changed the default password for the pi user, or are you using another user altogether perhaps?
[9:18] <[Saint]> I imagine this would fail if you have done so and the pi is set to boot to a DE instead of a shell.
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[9:19] <[Saint]> if it went straight to a login shell, you should be able to login after a matter of seconds. If it goes to a password prompt for the DE things might get weird.
[9:19] <drama247365> yeah, i userdel pi and added my own with sudo
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[9:20] <drama247365> and it's set not to boot to DE
[9:20] <[Saint]> and I assume the boot to desktop behavior hasn't been changed in raspi-config?
[9:20] <[Saint]> Oh - hmmmm.
[9:21] <[Saint]> Well, there's my idea out the window then.
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[9:21] <drama247365> i've changed keyboard to US, maximised space, changed password, added my own user and then deleted the pi one, changed timezone, set it not to boot to desktop automatically
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[9:22] <[Saint]> With that being the case, ssh should be available a few seconds (maybe 10 or so) after boot.
[9:22] <drama247365> frustrating because it means i can't just plug it in whereever, i'm gonna need an hdmi cable and tv to get it going
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[9:27] <drama247365> wonder if a dummy plug would work
[9:28] <drama247365> sounds like i'm not only one with the problme - http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/4509/two-problems-with-my-pi-cron-and-bootup-w-o-hdmi
[9:28] <shiftplusone> Any chance it's booting the emergency kernel?
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[9:29] <drama247365> i wouldn't know how to tell if it was
[9:29] <drama247365> i'll try that rpi-update in a few moments
[9:31] <adeus> I also had that problem before an update
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[11:37] <maoumushi> ahhhh .... my pi at home doesn't respond anymore !!! i hope it hadn't blown up somenthing :'(
[11:41] <Jck_true> maoumushi: Like the "double tab Ctrl+Alt+Delete" from Die Hard that blows your computer to atoms?
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[11:48] <maoumushi> maybe is only the cat that has done something to the cable ....
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[11:50] <maoumushi> or pi had melted with the case
[11:50] <maoumushi> or pi got on fire
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[13:01] <FR^2> maoumushi: Configure the hangcheck thingy ;)
[13:02] <FR^2> "watchdog" was the keyword I was missing :)
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[13:48] <chris_99> what type of connector do you guys use to attach to the GPIO pins
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[13:51] <TheSnide> chris_99: floppy/ide disk connector worked nicely
[13:52] <chris_99> i was thinking ide, do you have to modify it though
[13:52] <TheSnide> modify ? well, i only used one side
[13:53] <TheSnide> other was raw cables
[13:54] <chris_99> aha okey doke cool, i'll give it a shot then
[13:54] <chris_99> i was thinking on some ide cables they have the middle pin blocked off iirc
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[13:56] <maoumushi> FR^2: i'm not sure to understand
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[14:00] <chris_99> oh maplin sell these seemingly http://www.maplin.co.uk/gpio-cable-for-raspberry-pi-682482
[14:02] <FR^2> maoumushi: There's a hardware watchdog function that you can enable. If your raspberry pi doesn't react for a certain amount of time, the watchdog initiates a cold reboot
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[14:05] <TheSnide> FR^2: oh didnt know. url ?
[14:06] <TheSnide> chris_99: oh. yeah i remember that. i have fully wired ones
[14:06] <TheSnide> (aka, no safety "pin")
[14:07] <chris_99> aha gotcha
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[14:07] <maoumushi> FR^2: i wasn't aware of that, is it enabled by default?
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[14:09] <maoumushi> are you talking about bcm2708_wdog module ?
[14:10] <maoumushi> http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/1401/how-do-i-hard-reset-a-raspberry-pi
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[14:11] <Kane> hi
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[14:18] <TheSnide> oh, about fs corruption, does some distro have an aufs layer ?
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[14:19] <TheSnide> that could be used to wipe and revert to snapshot in case of fs corruption ?
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[14:57] <FR^2> maoumushi, TheSnide: The module is bcm2708_wdog
[14:58] <TheSnide> FR^2: yeah, maoumushi sent a very nice url :)
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[15:15] <drama247365> hmm, even firmware update didnt fix hdmi issue :\
[15:16] <xulrunner> is there an open bug in raspbian against apt-get or something? i'm getting illegal instruction setting up man-db and segfarts on menu, shared-mime-info, and wpagui
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[15:17] <xulrunner> i found this article from 2012 suggesting i accidentally downloaded an apt-get from debian armhf mainline
[15:17] <xulrunner> but it's not the case... maybe some other package
[15:18] <xulrunner> too bad there's no ppa-purge for sources.list
[15:18] <xulrunner> at least now I know not to do that
[15:19] <djazz> anyone want to host a webradio from their pi? result: http://djazz.mine.nu:1337/
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[15:19] <xulrunner> djazz: smooth jazz?
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[15:20] <djazz> xulrunner: hm?
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[15:21] <djazz> I have created a webradio in PHP and NodeJS, using mpd+icecast, running nicely on the pi
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[15:21] <djazz> I can help if you want to set it up :)
[15:22] <djazz> code/config files on git: https://github.com/daniel-j/wonder-radio
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[15:24] <xulrunner> so radio client, or server?
[15:24] <xulrunner> where does it stream from
[15:24] <djazz> xulrunner: from the pi
[15:25] <djazz> radio server
[15:25] <xulrunner> i mean input format
[15:25] <djazz> mp3 files..
[15:25] <xulrunner> you have to have mp3s, or plug in a mirophone?
[15:25] <xulrunner> ah
[15:25] <djazz> only music, no mic etc
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[15:25] <djazz> and crossfading :)
[15:25] <xulrunner> it uses the database to keep track of media?
[15:25] <djazz> yes
[15:25] <djazz> MariaDB
[15:26] <djazz> (aka MySQL)
[15:26] <xulrunner> lovely
[15:26] <xulrunner> you get a star
[15:26] <djazz> well
[15:26] <xulrunner> (on github)
[15:26] <djazz> MySQL isnt available in arch, only maria
[15:26] <djazz> xD
[15:26] <Jck_true> djazz: jeeze - how many technologies did you manage to mix? PHP, SQL, NodeJS, MPD, Icecast...
[15:27] <djazz> Jck_true: and some shell scripts
[15:27] <djazz> to access mpd
[15:27] <Jck_true> and never forget xml
[15:27] <djazz> like, updating mpd's databse
[15:27] <djazz> yes
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[15:27] <djazz> xml, various config files
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[15:28] <djazz> Jck_true: the nodejs part could might as well be python
[15:28] <djazz> its a standalone program
[15:28] <djazz> only changing songs
[15:28] <Jck_true> Why not PHP`?
[15:28] <djazz> Jck_true: it needs to run in the background
[15:28] <djazz> when a song change, it queues the next one
[15:29] <djazz> and reads database etc
[15:29] <Jck_true> ok
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[15:30] <radioslave> question for the masses
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[15:30] <Bushmills> /j #masses
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[15:31] <radioslave> I'm running Iceweasel on Raspbian Wheezy
[15:31] <radioslave> trying to get flash to work for live streams
[15:31] <chris_99> has anyone tried 1-wire temp probes with the Pi
[15:31] <radioslave> pipe dream, or doable?
[15:31] <chris_99> i'm wondering about hooking up > 1 to the same pins
[15:31] <Jck_true> chris_99: Yeah - DHT11
[15:31] <djazz> radioslave: flash?
[15:31] <radioslave> ayae
[15:31] <radioslave> aye
[15:31] <radioslave> gnash seems to work a bit
[15:31] <radioslave> but not overall
[15:32] <Jck_true> radioslave: Undoable :) (Flash runs with gnash - But it's never gonna be fast enough for video)
[15:32] <radioslave> :(
[15:32] <chris_99> Jck_true, and did you read from a load using the /proc filesystem
[15:32] <Bushmills> gnash has a mediocre success record, and tends to consume lots of cpu
[15:32] <radioslave> and for some reason navi-X on my XBMC doesn't want to load the Sky Sports streams
[15:32] <Jck_true> chris_99: Nope - I used bit banging first in python and then in C
[15:33] <radioslave> Unless someone has a Navi-x profile/Sopcast channel by chance that streams SKy
[15:33] <radioslave> @bushmills can you offer any alternatives to gnash that may be better?
[15:34] <Bushmills> nope
[15:34] <djazz> so, anyone want to set up a web radio server with me?
[15:34] <djazz> result: http://djazz.mine.nu:1337/
[15:35] <radioslave> Anyone with Navi-X experience?
[15:36] <Jck_true> djazz: Slick - Just not entirely sure i approve of your music taste... or your color choice :P
[15:36] <djazz> :P
[15:36] <djazz> Jck_true: you can change the color on one line
[15:36] <djazz> im using LESS instead of normal CSS
[15:36] <Jck_true> Gotcha
[15:37] <djazz> jsut change the hue value ^^
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[15:38] <xulrunner> ooh that was a bad upgrade
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[15:38] <xulrunner> Configuring network interfaces: segmentation fault
[15:39] <xulrunner> X11, no go
[15:39] <xulrunner> gonna need a keyboard to fix this
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[15:40] <Bushmills> usb driver: segfault :P
[15:41] <xulrunner> i hope i can trust the kernels from Hexxeh/rpi-update
[15:41] <xulrunner> lucky this is not HURDberry pi
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[16:37] <radioslave> Anyone know why Navi-X streams wont load for me on XBMC?
[16:37] <radioslave> Is there a way to alter port settings on it
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[16:48] <Bushmills> yes, there is. without knowing the package, there's either the config files, or UTSL
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[16:48] <Bushmills> one way or the other, the answer will definitely have to be "yes"
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[16:55] <radioslave> humm
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[16:57] <Bushmills> frquently programs allow specifying such vital information on command line too
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[17:02] <Darkwell> hello folks
[17:04] <Darkwell> does raspbian log everything right onto the sdhc or not ?
[17:04] <radioslave> dunno
[17:04] <radioslave> i assume so
[17:04] <Darkwell> not good i think
[17:05] <nid0> its perfectly fine
[17:05] <Darkwell> nid0, why do you thinnk s ?
[17:05] <Darkwell> nid0, why do you thinnk ss ?
[17:05] <Darkwell> so even
[17:05] <nid0> <insert entire conversation that happens like every 2 days about how "oh sd cards wear out in no time when writing logs/tmp to them" "oh no they dont" "oh yes they do">
[17:05] <nid0> no they dont
[17:05] <radioslave> god damn
[17:06] <Darkwell> afaik , writing to sdhc cardws a lot ( as logs sometimes tends to do ) wears down the sdhc pretty soon
[17:06] <radioslave> my kingdom for a working Sky Sports stream on Navi X
[17:06] <nid0> see
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[17:07] <daemoneye> nid0: I would add to the argument that logs should not be written to a sd card, but to an external hdd
[17:07] <Darkwell> so i ight think logging first to something like /dev/shm first and using rotating after a long while dumping to a configurable source would probably prolong the lifetime of the sdhc right ?
[17:07] <malcom2073> the only time I've ever worn out a SD card is when doing development (a lot of compiling), and that took a couple months.
[17:07] <nid0> why, so your sd card lasts 25 years instead of 24?
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[17:07] <neilr> What options, other than SD, does the Pi have to log to, out of the box?
[17:08] <Darkwell> a nice solution would be to mount a network disk ver say loop device ad/or having dmcrypt to encrypt the mount
[17:08] <Darkwell> then one might be able to upload logs over dropbox etc
[17:08] <Bushmills> may depend a bit a lot on filesystem used. i reckon FAT wears out a lot quicker than ext2
[17:08] <Darkwell> if there was sime simple programs written dumping logs over network i no prob given that say syslog-ng is used
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[17:09] <Darkwell> one could mount external storages have device mappers/loopdevices to encrypt data if on hostile environment before piping data to storage
[17:10] <Bushmills> you can mount shared mem to log directory (or create a symlink) to have log files in RAM only
[17:11] <Darkwell> yeah configure syslog-ng to do this isnt that hard i think
[17:11] <Bushmills> no good of course if you want to check logs why raspberry rebooted
[17:11] <Darkwell> which logger is uysed in raspbian ?
[17:11] <Bushmills> rsyslog
[17:12] <Darkwell> well one could have sas a boot routine that at bootup only log dumps to disk and then change to shm when all ok
[17:12] <Bushmills> there's also remote logging if there's another machine in the net
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[17:12] <Darkwell> hmm
[17:12] <Darkwell> rsyslog im not familiar with that one
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[17:13] <Bushmills> multi-threaded implementation of syslogd
[17:13] <Darkwell> i see
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[17:13] <Darkwell> is it as flexible in configuring as syslog-ng ?
[17:14] <Bushmills> can't really compare. it has good control over output format, can encrypt, allows misc filters and can log to sql databases
[17:15] <Bushmills> ah, and remote logging too, of course
[17:15] <Darkwell> ok you can give rules where to store from diffrerent messages etc ?
[17:15] <Bushmills> yes
[17:15] <Darkwell> ok cool
[17:15] <Darkwell> then no reason to change to syslog-ng except from that one has to read the rsyslog man
[17:16] <Bushmills> well, use what you're more familiar with, i'd say
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[17:16] <Darkwell> another thing i wonder
[17:17] <Bushmills> "mount a network disk ver say loop device ad/or having dmcrypt to encrypt the mount" - encfs allows doing that
[17:18] <Darkwell> dmcrypt is supposed to be kernel buildin
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[17:18] <Bushmills> though it works on directory/file level, not on whole volumes. unless you see whole volume as a directory
[17:18] <Darkwell> i mean you can mount partitions or files or whatever with it
[17:18] <Darkwell> without interfering with say dropbox
[17:19] <Bushmills> i use encfs do access a remote encrypted directory on an nfs export, mounted by autofs
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[17:19] <Darkwell> ok
[17:20] <Darkwell> are there any apt packages for no-ip client(s)
[17:20] <Bushmills> probably. ezipupdate may be in
[17:20] <Darkwell> thought one could be lazy being able not to write an own init.d script to start up at boot
[17:20] <Bushmills> haven't checked, i'm updating per nsupdate
[17:21] <Bushmills> ez-ipupdate
[17:21] <Darkwell> ez-ipupdate ?
[17:21] <Darkwell> have to check it out i think
[17:21] <Bushmills> that's the name
[17:22] <Darkwell> ok ty
[17:22] * bdavenport resists typing in "now dont wear it out"
[17:22] <Darkwell> is it for no-ip or some other service ?
[17:23] <Bushmills> it used to be for no-ip too, but i haven't looked at it for about 10 years now
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[17:24] <Darkwell> ok
[17:24] <Bushmills> 3rd party updaters became obsolete when starting to run own auth servers, as nsupdate is a bit more powerfil editing the zone files
[17:24] <Darkwell> i just want to find my "raspb" easily since my ISP has dhcp
[17:25] <Bushmills> vpn
[17:25] <Darkwell> to what ?
[17:25] <Bushmills> to raspberry
[17:25] <Darkwell> than i have to know its ip anyways right ?
[17:26] <Bushmills> then you can set a static address
[17:26] <Darkwell> not on my ISP
[17:26] <bdavenport> http://www.stuffaboutcode.com/2012/06/raspberry-pi-access-from-internet-using.html - someone walks though compiling and usiing the noip client
[17:26] <Darkwell> if it was on a lan it would be simple
[17:26] <bdavenport> if your stuck with no-ip
[17:26] <Bushmills> vpn doesn't care about isp.
[17:27] <Darkwell> ive been using dyndns.dk for anothyer machine
[17:27] <bdavenport> http://raspberrypihelp.net/tutorials/29-raspberry-pi-no-ip-tutorial - another tutorial
[17:27] <Darkwell> but now i couldnt register new acc's so i found no-ip , wrote a bash script that works
[17:27] <Bushmills> they commonly give an additional interface, and the hosts on vpn sharing a common subnet
[17:27] <Darkwell> but now i have ti do an own init.d script ( which i dont prefer to do =)
[17:27] <Bushmills> so you could, through vpn, access raspberry on its static rfc1918 address, for example.
[17:28] <bdavenport> make things difficult....
[17:28] <Darkwell> thing is
[17:28] <cheasee> someone here using the pi to watch hdtv? am interested in experience with performance as i hit some bottleneck (in the kernel?) while using tvheadend and omxplayer/pidvbip at the same time, using tvheadend or player exclusively works perfect.. i disabled/stopped everything unneded to go sure i dont hit cpu limit: http://666kb.com/i/cdwd93ux9fnkj2cgq.gif
[17:28] <Darkwell> the raspberry pi is boted up rdirectly on internet
[17:28] <Darkwell> and im going to use my smartphone to conect to it
[17:28] <Darkwell> and i have a mail server i wrote in tcl
[17:29] <Darkwell> tht is going to be run on the raspberry
[17:29] <IT_Sean> cheasee: I do!
[17:29] <Bushmills> well, my android tablet and my raspberry are both on a vpn, and "see" each other.
[17:29] <Darkwell> so i just need a dynamic dns to point the mails to it
[17:29] <Bushmills> on static addresses, no matter how tablet connects to net
[17:29] <Darkwell> already have mx servers if the rasp isnt available online
[17:30] <Darkwell> so you suggest me to buy a vpn serv ice ?
[17:30] <Bushmills> no, why?
[17:30] <Darkwell> so how to solv finding te vpn host ?
[17:30] <Bushmills> such a sevice is just a server running somewhere
[17:30] <bdavenport> Darkwell, spend the extra time, http://www.stuffaboutcode.com/2012/06/raspberry-pi-access-from-internet-using.html & if you read that you see they give you a link to an/a init script
[17:30] <cheasee> IT_Sean: please check http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjCxCoXXrwk here you see it in action.. you'll notice what i mean.. do you expect similar output?
[17:30] <cheasee> s/expect/get
[17:31] <Darkwell> bdavenport, OK I SEE
[17:31] <Darkwell> sorry for caps
[17:31] <bdavenport> we all do that time from time ;)
[17:31] <Darkwell> im not unfamiliar with wrigint init.scripts
[17:31] <Darkwell> jsut wondered if there were ready to use packages
[17:31] <Darkwell> to save time
[17:32] <bdavenport> all the ones I was aware of are for dyndns
[17:32] <cheasee> IT_Sean: i had much worse output with stock raspbian kernel, after upgrading via rpi-update now i get this result, so i guess its some kernel related thing
[17:32] <bdavenport> and they stopped doing anything useful for free...
[17:32] <Darkwell> ok i see
[17:32] <bdavenport> and thus, any client that supported them that I can recall looks to be suspended
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[17:33] <bdavenport> I think you would be spending more time finding the package than just copying pasting a very basic init script
[17:33] <bdavenport> but thats my 2cents
[17:33] <Darkwell> thing is i have a domein i point it to a dyn dns ( when i have one working with an acceptable bootup solution =) this time i got hold on no-ip , so the domain point to same dyn dns name and only place to update ip pointer is on the dyn dns
[17:34] <Darkwell> yah i might have to rewrite the bash script to
[17:34] <bdavenport> if you really want fun, look for a provider where you could just make a cron job of every 5 minutes to call a URL that does the update
[17:34] <Darkwell> since as of now it works for crontab
[17:35] <Darkwell> problem with crontab i think is that it can take a while after bootup before the ip updater starts
[17:35] <bdavenport> (the free dns servers from he.net come to mind)
[17:35] <Bushmills> "domain points to..." you're aware that CNAMEing zone apex violates RFCs?
[17:35] <bdavenport> use the @reboot for a time
[17:35] <bdavenport> (think it is @reboot at least)
[17:35] <Darkwell> hmm
[17:36] <Darkwell> but thinking of it
[17:36] <Darkwell> one could make the machine as soon ats it is hooked onto internet
[17:37] <Bushmills> he.net has another + which is you can use theirs as free slaves, allowing you to run a hidden master
[17:37] <Darkwell> coenct to another machine and get its ip logged there
[17:37] <Darkwell> without any need for dyn dns at all
[17:37] <Bushmills> means, you don't need 3rd party ip updater.
[17:37] <Bushmills> zone transfer notification to slaves will do
[17:37] <Darkwell> yeah
[17:37] <bdavenport> Bushmills, but he still has the problem of the ip assigned by the isp with no chance for static from them is dynamic
[17:38] <bdavenport> you would still be forever and a day updating ips
[17:38] <Bushmills> the hidden master should be a different machine, static address, preferably
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[17:38] <Darkwell> yeah
[17:38] <Bushmills> but his dhcp machine could nsupdate that master, which in turn updates slaves by zone transfer
[17:39] <Darkwell> one could write client/server solution that update the hosts files in /etc
[17:39] * bdavenport has not played much with zone transfers
[17:39] <bdavenport> thought they were a pull from master and not push from master
[17:39] <Darkwell> so when my rasp has boted up it can hook up to the server (womehwere ) and ip gets logged
[17:39] <Darkwell> my phone could do same
[17:39] <Darkwell> and get the ip and add it to hosts
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[17:39] <Bushmills> notification is sent from master to slaves. slaves then pull.
[17:40] <Darkwell> so you always have same "alias" for the machine
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[17:40] <Darkwell> i recall for instance the anti spam solutions before for android had jsut a write to /etc/hosts
[17:41] <Darkwell> where spam IP's was pointed as 127.0.0.1
[17:41] <Darkwell> so apps that tried to coenct out on the internet to show ads was actually trying to conenct to 127.0.0.1 ( instead having a dns redirect
[17:43] * bdavenport thinks about setting up a squid server to do that on his pi
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[17:50] <Tachyon`> your pi has a hosts file..
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[18:18] <gyeben> hi
[18:20] <SophieRxx> hello
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[19:19] <spireal> how to change wallpaper ? Raspian
[19:19] <spireal> how to change wallpaper ? Raspian
[19:21] <SophieRxx> right click the desktop, then it should be desktop settinggs (or something along those line) spireal
[19:22] <cornflaku> lol
[19:23] <spireal> right click the desktop, then it should be desktop settinggs (or something along those line) spireal
[19:23] <spireal> I is not susi on 09.02.2013-wheezy-Raspbian
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[19:23] <spireal> ok
[19:24] <spireal> goof
[19:24] <spireal> good lol
[19:24] <spireal> im low
[19:24] <spireal> thx SophieRxx
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[19:24] <SophieRxx> no problem
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[19:40] <T0ndermere> anyone here know how to change the keyboard layout in vim?
[19:40] <cornflaku> afaik there is no way
[19:40] <cornflaku> oh you mean the localization
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[19:41] <cornflaku> ?
[19:41] <T0ndermere> yes
[19:41] <T0ndermere> for some reason it won't use the default keyboard layout
[19:41] <cornflaku> debian i think it's system-config-keyboard
[19:41] <cornflaku> from command line
[19:41] <T0ndermere> debian keyboard is configured correctly
[19:41] <T0ndermere> it's only vim that is not working
[19:42] <cornflaku> that's really strange
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[19:44] <T0ndermere> I think i found the problem, my ssh client is messing up
[19:44] <cornflaku> ahh
[19:44] <cornflaku> whatcha using?
[19:44] <T0ndermere> putty
[19:44] <cornflaku> i see
[19:44] <cornflaku> i've got a love/hate relationship
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[19:46] <applegekko> set putty to use utf-8
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[19:48] <T0ndermere> that was it
[19:49] <T0ndermere> utf-8 fixed it
[19:49] <T0ndermere> thanks for the help
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[19:58] <colegatron> hi all
[19:58] <djazz> hi
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[19:59] <colegatron> I heard about raspberrypi few days ago and I have a doubt about a subject: does it can run a linux with xwindows?
[19:59] <djazz> x desktop?
[20:00] <djazz> i have only tried x with lxde
[20:00] <pksato> yes, linux (or other ported OS) and X11 (xorg) xwindows system.
[20:00] <pksato> ops. xwindow.
[20:01] <colegatron> not really. I've a hp 17" notebook with the motherboard broken and I thought maybe it is possbile replace the motherboard and use it screen and keyboard to build a X terminal
[20:01] <colegatron> I only need a X terminal and a usbmodem for internet connection
[20:01] <djazz> dunno about the lcd and keyboard/touchpaf connectors
[20:02] <djazz> touchpad*
[20:02] <pksato> Is possible, but, need lots of extra hardware.
[20:02] <pksato> one is the lcd panel controller with hdmi input.
[20:02] <colegatron> well, if it is not easy (cheap) to use the integraded keyboard and touchpad, I do not care to repalce it with usb ones
[20:03] <pksato> touchpad is ps/2 interface, only need to figure out pinout.
[20:03] <colegatron> pksato: there are some lcd controllers on ebay for under 40$, probably it is not a problem.
[20:04] <pksato> keyboard, need a controller, one from old desktop keyboard can be adapted.
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[20:05] <pksato> I have a sony vaio on similar condition.
[20:05] <colegatron> then at least it is feasible, right? I do not care to throw a few bucks trying if it is at least doable
[20:06] <pksato> and, battery chager/controller.
[20:06] <djazz> If anyone want to host a web radio from their pi (music files) send me a PM. Result: http://djazz.mine.nu:1337/
[20:06] <pksato> some guys made similar mods.
[20:06] <colegatron> pksato: yep, the battery and keyboard was just replaced before the mb died
[20:07] <colegatron> :( that's why I would like to do something cool instead to throw it to the basket
[20:08] <pksato> if you have spare time (and money) go ahead.
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[20:09] <colegatron> I will ask to a friend which repairs hardware and if it can be done for <=100$ I'll go ahead
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[20:10] <pksato> one of need to buy is a lcd controller, or some cable and firmware update.
[20:10] <colegatron> firmware update?
[20:10] <colegatron> ah, for the pi
[20:11] <pksato> of some lcd monitor controller to use a notebook panel.
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[20:11] <colegatron> aha
[20:11] <pksato> a desk monitor.
[20:12] <bdavenport> djazz, does that code also output real audio as well not to just to the icecast server?
[20:12] <colegatron> I think i'll purchase the correct one instead to try to find one for 17"
[20:13] <colegatron> thank you pksato for you advices
[20:13] <djazz> bdavenport: no, but it could with just uncommenting some lines
[20:13] <djazz> in mpd.conf
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[20:13] <bdavenport> hrm, that might be a project for later for me then
[20:13] <pksato> colegatron: ebay seller send a correct firmware to notebook lcd panel. just inform the code.
[20:14] <colegatron> ok. thank you. I'll be back with news and more questions :)
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[20:42] <wroberts1> the embest mars board is funny. how they expect to sell for $99
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[21:02] <ReggieUK> wroberts1, why?
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[21:38] <ShadowJK> ooh, that looks nice
[21:40] <ShadowJK> Cheaper than pandaboard, which is closest thing I can think of
[21:42] * ShadowJK wonders if the ethernet is on usb or if it's native
[21:42] <IT_Sean> On what?
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[21:44] <ShadowJK> embest mars, mentioned previously
[21:44] <IT_Sean> Ah, never heard of it.
[21:45] <ShadowJK> me neither. just googled irt
[21:45] <IT_Sean> Stupid name.
[21:45] <ShadowJK> Ya
[21:45] <IT_Sean> Incredibly stupid, if you ask me.
[21:45] <IT_Sean> I just found it on google.
[21:45] <IT_Sean> And the Engrish on the homepage is terrible.
[21:45] <ShadowJK> Pros: not broadcom, 4 x usb (cant be any worse than rpi, surely), 4x ish the cpu grunt
[21:45] <IT_Sean> I would not order from this site in a million years.
[21:46] <ShadowJK> Cons: engrish
[21:46] <IT_Sean> Is newest very good borad for devlop.
[21:46] <IT_Sean> :p
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[21:46] <IT_Sean> *board
[21:47] <biberao> hi
[21:47] <biberao> did anyone got musicboxpi to work?
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[21:48] <ShadowJK> Anyway, > ~4 times the cpu power, doubled ram and doubled usb ports compared to rPi.. would justify 4x the cost
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[21:49] <IT_Sean> With the Engrish, there is NOOOOOOOO way in hell i would trust that site with my payment info.
[21:49] <linuxstb> ShadowJK: The MarS board has gigabit ethernet. This is the block diagram - http://www.embest-tech.com/shop/images/MarS_Board06.png
[21:50] <ShadowJK> I already gave paypal that, can't get much worse ;)
[21:50] <ShadowJK> oh nice, the ethernet is not on usb
[21:50] <IT_Sean> The quality of that site skeevedm e out.
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[21:51] <IT_Sean> I mean... they can't even be bothered to get someone that ACTUALLY SPEAKS ENGLISH to check it for them?
[21:51] <IT_Sean> Really!?
[21:51] <IT_Sean> Come on.
[21:51] <ShadowJK> heh
[21:52] <gyeben> "An ARM GUN/Linux box" :D
[21:53] <biberao> ShadowJK: werent you going to try it?
[21:54] <ShadowJK> try what?
[21:54] <biberao> musicpibox
[21:55] <ShadowJK> no
[21:55] <biberao> its spotify for pi
[21:56] <gyeben> I just realized that the "An ARM GUN/Linux box" quote I made earlier is from marsboard.com, but you're talking about the embest-tech.com one
[21:56] <gyeben> so actually there are two boards called Marsboard :S
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[22:14] <Megaf_> folks, whats the closest to Raspberry Pi? armv6, armv6j, armv6t2, armv6zk or armv6-m?
[22:14] <linuxstb> Anyone know if the Pi's 30Hz HDMI modes listed at http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt are actually 30Hz, or if they're 29.976Hz?
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[22:22] <roll> if i'm just using my rpi to run irssi, is it safe to underclock using the turbo and arm_freq_min settings? and if so, what's a nice low, safe number to put that at?
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[22:26] <Bushmills> you may want to set the governour to ondemand instead of the default - i think - interactive. depends on kernel
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[22:30] <roll> Bushmills: is that a better way? how can i control the max and min freq that way?
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[22:32] <Bushmills> rpi would choose a slower clock then if idling, and only increase clock with increasing load. actually, interactive would behave similar but ondemand is likely to drop clock faster.
[22:32] <Bushmills> the min freq will limit governor's choices of lowering clock
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[22:33] <Bushmills> make sure that force_turbo is set to off
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[22:34] <roll> Bushmills: so set the min and max normally in the config.txt and then set the governor to ondemand, aye?
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[22:35] <john_f> Megaf_: arch uses armv6h packages
[22:35] <Bushmills> roll, right. 100 as arm_freq_min seems to have been successfully tested
[22:36] <roll> Bushmills: interesting, thanks!
[22:36] <xulrunner> so, i added wheezy from a regular debian armhf mirror to my sources.list and now I'm totally hosed.
[22:36] <xulrunner> anyone can suggest a way out?
[22:37] <xulrunner> dpkg installation subprocess was killed (illegal instruction)
[22:37] <IT_Sean> define 'totally hosed'?
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[22:37] <Bushmills> restore previous sources.list, update
[22:37] <xulrunner> getting these all over the place
[22:38] <xulrunner> i've re-fetched all of the packages using --reinstall install -udy and now i'm working through them manually using dpkg, which still works most of the time
[22:38] <Bushmills> " installation subprocess "? you didn't say you were installing anything
[22:38] <Bushmills> you only said you added wheezy from a regular debian armhf mirror tosources.list
[22:38] <xulrunner> i meant to say that I'd upgraded everything possible until i saw man-db and 3 other packages giving illegal instructions and segmentation faults
[22:39] <xulrunner> now i'm trying to roll back
[22:39] <xulrunner> i see the error in my ways
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[22:41] <Bushmills> oh well, just creating a new sd card, install your packages, move your configs and /home and /usr/local and such shouldn't be too much work
[22:41] <xulrunner> i was going to do that but the laptop I have in front of me won't read my sd card
[22:42] <xulrunner> error processing debconf (--install)
[22:43] <xulrunner> subprocess installed post-installation script was killed by signal (Illegal Instruction)
[22:43] <xulrunner> any idea what package might be the culprit?
[22:43] <Bushmills> there's --reinstall switch to apt-get and aptitude, and you could get package states with dpkg --get-selections when mounting sd-card on another debian machine, specifying mountpoint to dpkg as install dir, but that may actually be more work
[22:44] <xulrunner> i tried dpkg -i *.deb in /var/cache/apt/archives but was too impatient to let it finish, only to have to do again since most of the packages were erroring out, while looking for the right one
[22:44] <xulrunner> probably perl, right?
[22:45] <xulrunner> Bushmills: --reinstall has been invaluable to fetch the appropriate versions of all the packages I have installed
[22:47] <Bushmills> there's also dpkg and aptitude logs under /var/log, where you could pick the latest installations of packages from, to reinstall just those
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[22:48] <xulrunner> i did ar x debconf_foo.deb in a separate dir
[22:48] <xulrunner> to read the postinst in control.tar.gz
[22:48] <xulrunner> it looks like it might be python dependencies
[22:49] <xulrunner> python doesn't recursively depend on python, does it? :)
[22:49] <xulrunner> nah, can't be
[22:50] <Bushmills> python is not required for base system
[22:50] <xulrunner> i wish Segmentation Fault would give me a bit more information about the process
[22:50] <xulrunner> Bushmills: debconf doesn't depend on python?
[22:51] <Bushmills> most likely it doesn't. mine hasn't python installed, i noticed when python was picked as dep when i wanted to install iotop
[22:51] <Bushmills> just a few hours ago
[22:51] <xulrunner> i read it wrong
[22:51] <xulrunner> they look like optional things done at the end
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[22:55] <xulrunner> I think I am getting somewhere
[22:56] <xulrunner> haven't resolved debconf but I'm getting the idea
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[22:58] <xulrunner> i am pushing dpkg --configure -a as many times as necessary and following its instructions about Package [] is not [] in a slightly automated way
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[23:03] <xulrunner> debconf is installed and configured! i pressed ctrl+c at just the right moment, but now I can't repeat it
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[23:05] <xulrunner> and i think i blew away the correctly installed copy ^_^
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[23:10] <Jeudi> Is there any way of putting gigabit ethernet on a raspberrypi?
[23:11] <plugwash> well you can connect a USB to gigabit ethernet adaptor but don't expect anything like a gigabit per second of throughput
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[23:12] <Jeudi> ok.
[23:15] <Jeudi> Doesn't the HDMI port support ethernet? or is it the wrong spec?
[23:15] <roll> Bushmills: thanks, it's now running at 100Mhz and bumping up to 700 when needed :). are there any other settings i should change to optimize for low power? irss is using like 2MB of ram and it's cpu usage is negligible except when i first connect
[23:15] <roll> Jeudi: not on the raspberry pi, it doesn't support ethernet over hdmi
[23:16] <Jeudi> roll: ok. thanks :)
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[23:16] <SophieRxx> Running at 1000 and bumping up to 700, shouldn't that be the other way round?
[23:16] <roll> nor does the ethernet support power over ethernet, unfortunately ;p (though it works nice with a splitter)
[23:16] <roll> SophieRxx: running at 100, bumping to 700
[23:16] <SophieRxx> Oops, bad eyesight. My apologies
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[23:18] <roll> actually, it's only peaking out at 700 when i peg the cpu. i must have missed a setting somehwere. 'cat /.../scaling_max_freq' reports 950 mhz though
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[23:20] <Bushmills> roll, not sure what else. running core with undervoltage shouldn't save much. the two step down voltage converters are said to be rather inefficient, and replacing them against more efficient type my gain you more.
[23:21] <roll> so i'm not really making hardly any difference by running at 100mhz?
[23:21] <Bushmills> model A with less RAM may save a bit too
[23:21] <roll> while lacking ethernet, though, which is why i'm leaving it on 24/7
[23:21] <Bushmills> i'd say reducing clock saves you more than running with undervoltage
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[23:23] <Bushmills> maybe cut the LEDs :)
[23:23] <roll> heh.
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[23:26] <roll> i guess running at 100MHz with no usb devices is the best i'll get for now. still much less power than an imac running overnight, which is what i was doing before
[23:26] <xulrunner> what do you guys have instead of iproute package?
[23:27] <xulrunner> it's telling me that package is not available on the archive, must be something harmful I acquired from debian mainline
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[23:29] <xulrunner> perhaps aptitude will save me
[23:29] <steve_rox> from what? bunnys?
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[23:31] <xulrunner> steve_rox: bad package mogo
[23:31] <xulrunner> *mojo
[23:31] <Bushmills> roll: recompiling kernel, configure a "clockless" kernel, rather than a 100, 250, 300 or 1000 Hz periodic interrupt wakeup, may still gain a bit
[23:31] <xulrunner> i upgraded everything to debian wheezy (not raspbian)
[23:31] <steve_rox> err fun
[23:31] <xulrunner> steve_rox: no it was a very bad idea
[23:32] <xulrunner> steve_rox: now 30% of dpkg ops end in segmentation fault, the other 60% end in illegal instruction
[23:32] <plugwash> we do have iproute in raspbian but in debian it's been binnmu'd serveral times while in raspbian it hasn't.
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[23:32] <plugwash> try apt-get install iproute=20120521-3
[23:32] <steve_rox> maybe your have to start over
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[23:33] <roll> Bushmills: will it be noticeable, or more hassle than it's worth? (besides it being cool ;p)
[23:33] <xulrunner> plugwash: thanks, it at least suggested that it would downgrade, how do I get apt-get --reinstall to downgrade stuff?
[23:34] <Bushmills> i haven't tried, but my estimate is that gain is higher the more and longer the machine idles
[23:34] <xulrunner> /bin/ip doesn't segfault anymore
[23:34] <xulrunner> that's getting somewhere
[23:34] <roll> any idea how much of a difference it will make? (percentage wise, or anything)
[23:36] <xulrunner> how can I find out what subprocesses are spawned by dpkg?
[23:37] <chithead> pstree
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[23:37] <xulrunner> chithead: they quit too fast to see them
[23:37] <Bushmills> good ol' strace would tell but it takes a bit of effort to filter what you actually want to see
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[23:38] <xulrunner> ohh this is perfect
[23:38] <Bushmills> there's also ltrace, that may do too
[23:39] <xulrunner> it's going to print something before it quits
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[23:41] <xulrunner> i'm most likely looking for some exec since dpkg itself seems OK
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[23:43] <xulrunner> illegal seek?
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[23:44] <Bushmills> may be just a method to determine file size
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[23:47] <xulrunner> /usr/share/debconf/frontend
[23:47] <xulrunner> that's the file that needs replacing, as long as it's not another script
[23:47] <xulrunner> it's where installing debconf quits
[23:48] <xulrunner> it's a perl script
[23:48] <xulrunner> so it's calling something that's bad
[23:48] <Bushmills> ought to be a short perl script
[23:49] <xulrunner> only 100 lines
[23:49] <xulrunner> how can you get Illegal Instruction running this perl script?
[23:49] <Bushmills> but if your perl bombs, so would running the cript
[23:49] <Bushmills> script
[23:50] <xulrunner> perl runs
[23:50] <xulrunner> can do printf
[23:52] <Bushmills> http://scarydevilmonastery.net/pf.perl slightly more complex perl script
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[23:53] <xulrunner> no term::readkey
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[23:54] <Bushmills> libterm-readkey-perl
[23:55] <xulrunner> yep
[23:55] <xulrunner> it seems to run ok
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[23:55] <Bushmills> good sign
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[23:56] <Bushmills> bye to exit
[23:57] <xulrunner> i did ctrl+d
[23:57] <Bushmills> that only shells
[23:57] <Bushmills> ctrl-d again, and you're back
[23:57] <xulrunner> ooh nice
[23:57] <xulrunner> lol
[23:58] <xulrunner> so how can I know where frontend bombs out
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[23:58] <Bushmills> one of the things called from it. supposedly

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