#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2013-05-09

Timestamps are in GMT/BST.

[0:00] <xulrunner> it doesn't seem to even get through use at the top
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[0:00] <xulrunner> use Debconf::Db
[0:01] <xulrunner> that's killing it
[0:01] <xulrunner> is that libdb5.1?
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[0:06] <xulrunner> hell everything in that directory bombs out
[0:07] <xulrunner> even the perl modules that have no executive statements
[0:07] * jthunder (~jthunder@ Quit (Quit: jthunder)
[0:08] <xulrunner> oh well at least dhclient works again
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[1:26] * teepee is now known as all
[1:27] * all is now known as Guest25189
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[2:29] <FatBoy360_> hi
[2:30] <FatBoy360_> anyone here
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[2:30] <FatBoy360_> ?
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[2:31] <shiftplusone> hi
[2:31] <shiftplusone> ah, too late
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[3:54] <voldyman> i just got my raspi, will ssh work out of the box with rasbian?
[3:55] <pksato> some guys say yes, and other no. :)
[3:56] <voldyman> o_O
[3:56] <shiftplusone> yes
[3:56] <voldyman> i don't have a HDMI cable
[3:56] <shiftplusone> as long as dhcp suits you fine and you don't need a static IP.
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[3:56] <plugwash> If you are using the raspberry pi foundation raspbian image and you have a working dhcp server on the network that will give the Pi an IP then ssh should work out of the box
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[3:57] <voldyman> pheww, thanks.
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[3:57] <plugwash> and you have a way to work out what IP the DHCP server has given the Pi (though doing a portscan of the whole damn subnet is a last resort option)
[3:57] <voldyman> i can do ssh pi@raspberry.local right?
[3:57] <shiftplusone> depends on your router
[3:57] <shiftplusone> if you can access your other devices in a similar way, yes.
[3:57] <voldyman> i can use it for linux machines
[3:58] <voldyman> it works*
[3:58] <shiftplusone> yup, if that's the default hostname (I think it is), it should work.
[3:58] <voldyman> has anyone tried vala with raspi?
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[4:00] <hybr1d8> raspberrypi.local is actually handled via avahi rather than your router
[4:00] <hybr1d8> raspbeerypi (without the .local) is the default hostname requested via DHCP and so if your router support dynamic-dns updates via DHCP then it may also work for local devices
[4:02] <voldyman> is there a way to discover all avahi supporting devices on a network using python script?
[4:02] <shiftplusone> ah, my mistake then... I don't quite get avahi
[4:02] <hybr1d8> avahi-browse is a commandline tool to look for avahi-supporting devices
[4:02] <voldyman> hybr1d8, thanks
[4:03] <plugwash> We certainly have vala in raspbian, I haven't explicitly tested it but i'd be extremely surprised if there were any problems
[4:03] <voldyman> valac version?
[4:03] <hybr1d8> shiftplusone: In this situation avahi is basically just mDNS/DNS-SD naming services - hosts listen to broadcast requests for questions and answer if they know the answer
[4:03] <plugwash> since afaict vala is just syntactic sugar on c/glib and if glib was badly broken we would sure as hell know about it
[4:04] <shiftplusone> ah
[4:05] <voldyman> vala is pretty stable, i use it a lot for apps.
[4:05] <hybr1d8> (that's a vast over-simplification, but good enough for most purposes ;) )
[4:06] <plugwash> afaict the default vala version in raspbian wheezy is 0.16 with 0.14, 0.12 and 0.10 also being available
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[4:21] <voldyman> can i use my laptop's display for raspberry pi using HDMI cable?
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[4:22] <pksato> no.
[4:23] <pksato> you cant connect a output device to another output device.
[4:24] <slug> voldyman: you could, but you have to take it out of the laptop
[4:24] <voldyman> :(
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[4:24] <slug> voldyman: or you can use x11vnc or something , through the network
[4:24] <slug> but that's no hdmi :)
[4:25] <voldyman> neither can i afford a monitor nor do i have the place to keep it in my dorm :(
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[4:26] <slug> voldyman: why do you need a monitor for the raspberry pi ?
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[4:27] <voldyman> my network is very unreliable and needs a login via HTTP to access the internet.
[4:28] <voldyman> dd complete. its time to boot my ras pi for the first time YEAH!!
[4:29] <slug> voldyman: how do you connect your laptop to the network? if it's wifi and you have an ethernet port on your laptop, you can use it to connect to your raspberry pi
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[4:30] <voldyman> slug, ethernet to raspberry pi from laptop?
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[4:31] <slug> voldyman: yah
[4:31] <voldyman> any link to configure ubuntu for that?
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[4:37] <slug> voldyman: well, you can use static IPs or run a dhcp server just listening on the ethernet port. I would recommend the first option, since if you don't configure the dhcp server properly or connect your external network to it you might disrupt and make some IT manager mad at you :)
[4:37] <voldyman> slug, thanks a lot.
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[4:39] <voldyman> i've booted the raspberry pi, connected it to ethernet but ping raspberrypi.local and raspberry.local doesn't work
[4:43] <slug> voldyman: do you have avahi running on both your laptop and your raspberry ?
[4:43] <slug> use avahi-browse -a to search for devices
[4:43] <slug> and get the correct host names
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[4:51] <voldyman> slug, it doesn't boot. i tried connecting it to my parents TV's hdmi but it just says no signal
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[5:02] <ball> Does the Raspberry Pi have a UART?
[5:03] <shiftplusone> yup
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[5:03] <ball> TTL?
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[5:04] <Xark> ball: Yes, see http://www.element14.com/community/groups/raspberry-pi/blog/2012/07/18/look-ma-no-display-using-the-raspberry-pi-serial-console
[5:04] <Xark> (or perhaps http://elinux.org/RPi_Serial_Connection )
[5:04] <shiftplusone> I am a bit of a noob, so I don't know about TTL, but it's 3.3v logic level
[5:05] <Xark> shiftplusone: Hehe, correct, it is 3.3v not TTL. However, most "TTL serial" (FTDI style use 3.3v logic levels - since that works with 5v too).
[5:05] <ball> That's useful to know.
[5:05] <ball> Is that on the Model A, too?
[5:06] <shiftplusone> yes, all models.
[5:06] <pksato> LVTTL
[5:06] <shiftplusone> (and revisions)
[5:06] <Xark> ball: If you don't have any hardware, you may want to get one of these -> http://www.adafruit.com/products/954 or http://www.adafruit.com/products/284
[5:06] <ball> How fast can it go? :-)
[5:06] <Xark> ball: I haven't pressed it, but at least 115.2Kbps
[5:07] <ball> I like me some Adafruit.
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[5:07] <ball> I suddenly have a powerful urge to try SLIP
[5:07] <ball> ...at 3v3
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[5:07] <Xark> ball: Hehe, I somehow suspect Ethernet (or USB wifi etc.) will be faster. :) Might be handy on model A I suppose in a pinch. :)
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[5:08] * ball nods
[5:08] <ball> Unless I can find a USB IrDA adaptor that works with Linux
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[5:08] <ball> ...even then, it'd be nice not to tie up a USB port.
[5:09] <Xark> ball: You can try "stty -F /dev/ttyACM0 <baudrate>" to change the speed (default 115.2Kbps)
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[5:09] * ball writes that down.
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[5:23] <ball> Oooh, I should buy one of their 315 MHz kits for my garage
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[5:35] <blackbear008> hello
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[5:35] * ball waves
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[6:06] <overrider> As far as reliability goes; what do people use for 8GB SD Cards? Kingstong over Sandisk? The other way around? I am not looking for the fastest, more in terms of breakage or write cycles, eg reliability / durability for my embedded project.
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[6:23] <Xark> overrider: I have had good results with the "cheap" SanDisk on the RPi (YMMV). I believe just class 6 (but seems as fast as any on RPi).
[6:24] <Xark> overrider: However, IMO SD is never ideal for a partition that gets written to a lot (eventually something happens...)
[6:24] <overrider> Xark: yeah
[6:24] <overrider> I will try a few things to minimize writes
[6:25] <overrider> But there will be writes, and its sort of a production system, i want it to be quite solid and robust.
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[6:29] <voldyman> guys sound with omxplayer doesn't work :'(
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[6:43] <overrider> I am about to buy a few pi's. I am located in China, there seems to be the "red" version. Should i get those and be happy, or should i get the "real" ones that the rest of the world gets? Can anyone report quality differences or firmware / hardware differences?
[6:44] <voldyman> i plugged in a non-powered usb hub into my raspberry pi. it works. will it damage my device?
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[7:58] <devslash> i installed arch linux on my rpi. i installed linux apache and mariadb (the mysql replacement). Im using a web application i wrote to stream music. rpi seems to be very slow to display the list of files and to stream. how can i check to see if theres some kind of lag ? is this a known issue ?
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[8:01] <[deXter]> Well there could be so many things.. network / RAM / CPU / software ...
[8:01] <[deXter]> So use top / htop / iftop etc to monitor the performance
[8:02] <devslash> i think its specific to my usb drive
[8:02] <[deXter]> Yeah, that could be it too
[8:02] <devslash> when i ssh in and do ls, i can ssh through a folder but it hangs on directories that contain a file
[8:03] <[deXter]> yeah, sounds like a slow/bad usb
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[8:03] <[deXter]> change it and check
[8:03] <devslash> it might not be getting enough power
[8:03] <[deXter]> What's your power source?
[8:03] <devslash> well..
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[8:04] <devslash> i have my rpi connected to the usb port of an old airport extreme router and my external usb drive connected directly to the rpi. the usb drive doesn't have an external power source
[8:05] <[deXter]> Woah
[8:05] <[deXter]> Well there you go
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[8:06] <[deXter]> A USB port supplies like ~450mA? RPi needs at least 700mA. 1A recommended.
[8:06] <devslash> i have an iPad charger that provides 2.1
[8:06] <[deXter]> On top of it you may even need a powered USB hub (recommended) depending on how much your devices draw.
[8:06] <devslash> would that be enough ?
[8:07] <[deXter]> Yeah that might work
[8:07] <devslash> the usb drive is one of the smaller 2.5" 500GB drives
[8:07] <[deXter]> Ah.. well I would recommend a HUB
[8:07] <Tachyon`> is it a real ipad charger and not a shady chinese copy?
[8:07] <devslash> a real one
[8:07] <[deXter]> Mechanical drives require more power than flash drives
[8:08] <Tachyon`> you can link out the fuse and probably get away without a hub with 2.1A but if the fuse is staying you have zero chance of running a 2.5" USB disk without a powered hub
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[8:48] <overrider> Can anyone be so kind and recommend me a relayboard with like 8 relays i can use to switch high voltage (main, 220V) appliances such as desklamps?
[8:48] <overrider> Obviously to be used in conjunction with my rpi
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[8:48] <Tachyon`> :C
[8:49] <Simon-> there's usb stuff on ebay
[8:50] <Simon-> whether it actually provides enough physical separation to be safe at 250V I'm not sure
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[8:50] <Tachyon`> gpio -> transistor -> relay.
[8:50] <Simon-> and you're going to want latching relays if anything will be left on for long periods of time
[8:51] <Tachyon`> maplin sell suitable relays if you can get the trained chimp behind the counter to understand what you're asking for
[8:51] <Tachyon`> which based on my recent experience isn't very easy
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[8:56] <overrider> Thanks mate, will have a look there
[8:56] <overrider> Hope they online sell
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[8:58] <overrider> ^ they do :-)
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[9:05] <Triffid_Hunter> overrider: SSRs perhaps
[9:07] <SpeedEvil> Tachyon`: I find that they can are quite skilled, given a part number
[9:08] <Tachyon`> hrm
[9:08] <Tachyon`> I don't
[9:09] <Tachyon`> depends on the store I suppose
[9:09] <Tachyon`> I don't recommend the York one
[9:09] <Tachyon`> last time I went the trained chimp didn't seem to know what a cap was...
[9:09] <overrider> The website seems fine
[9:10] <SpeedEvil> that is why you give them a part number,
[9:10] <Tachyon`> perhaps you're not quite sure of the purpose of assistants in shops
[9:11] <SpeedEvil> they can also carry heavy boxes, and prop up walls.
[9:12] <SpeedEvil> to be fair - what do maplin pay?
[9:12] <SpeedEvil> I would be surprised if it is much over minimum wage
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[9:15] <overrider> An SSR seems easy to use actually.
[9:15] <overrider> Easy to switch large voltages like my desklamp or coffee machine or whatever using raspberry pi or arduino
[9:15] <SpeedEvil> it is
[9:15] <overrider> Whats the downside? Price?
[9:15] <SpeedEvil> if you pick the right one, and heatsink it if needed
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[9:16] <SpeedEvil> may not properly switch inductive loads unless you specify the right one
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[9:19] <overrider> How to determine the "right one"? Based on the device i want to switch or the power that devices consumes?
[9:19] <Triffid_Hunter> overrider: yeah don't try to switch electric motors with them.. I use the fotek 25A ones for various stuff, works well enough
[9:20] <SpeedEvil> what sort of device
[9:20] <SpeedEvil> it needs to cope with the device type and the current
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[9:23] <cityLights> hi, I need some help regarding squashfs
[9:24] <cityLights> how can I use a squashfs file as a rootfs?
[9:28] <shiftplusone> One way is to specify it as initrd
[9:29] <shiftplusone> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=10532
[9:29] <shiftplusone> Not sure if the stock kernel supports squashfs for that, but you can always compile your own.
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[9:30] <Triffid_Hunter> cityLights: you're in a bit of a chicken an egg situation there.. for the kernel to open a file, the filesystem needs to be mounted already
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[9:30] <Triffid_Hunter> cityLights: so as shiftplusone says, you'll need an initrd to mount the filesystem, then mount the squashfs somewhere then do a switch_root
[9:31] <shiftplusone> Triffid_Hunter, nuh, that's not what I meant.
[9:31] <shiftplusone> I mean that he can actually use the squashfs image as the initrd
[9:31] <cityLights> I build a kernel with squashfs
[9:31] <Triffid_Hunter> cityLights: if you want to mount it directly, you'll need to dump it onto a partition rather than into a filesystem
[9:31] <shiftplusone> without using switch_root
[9:31] <cityLights> yes! exactly what I was thinking
[9:32] <Triffid_Hunter> cityLights: make sure whatever system you create in your squash can handle read-only rootfs ;)
[9:32] <cityLights> hmm
[9:32] <cityLights> guess that is where union fs comes in - right?
[9:32] <nid0> what precisely are you trying to actually achieve
[9:32] <Triffid_Hunter> yeah I think so, haven't used union yet myself but from what I read it allows you to read from one place and write to another
[9:33] <cityLights> I looked ad the openelec and they put the squashfs on the first Vafy prtition
[9:33] <cityLights> vfat
[9:33] <cityLights> nid0: I wan to use a 3Gb root file system on a 2Gb SD card
[9:34] <cityLights> my plan is to squash it and boot from it
[9:34] <Triffid_Hunter> cityLights: wouldn't it be easier to strip out the stuff you don't need?
[9:34] <shiftplusone> oh.... that's a bit different then
[9:34] <shiftplusone> Don't initrd images get loaded into ram?
[9:34] <cityLights> its a gentoo basic install
[9:34] <Triffid_Hunter> I mean, I've had usable linux rootfs down to less than 1M before
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[9:35] <cityLights> no graphics stuff
[9:35] <Triffid_Hunter> shiftplusone: yep initrd goes into ram, but usually gets flushed when you switch_root
[9:35] <shiftplusone> cityLights, you might need to re-evaluate what you're doing and why. You should either get a bigger sd card of ditch gentoo.
[9:36] <cityLights> I do want python and usefull libs
[9:36] <shiftplusone> Or use the switch_root method... I'd modify berryboot for that purpose.
[9:36] <Triffid_Hunter> cityLights: what's taking all the space? I have a gentoo rootfs that's <100M
[9:36] <nid0> or network boot
[9:36] <cityLights> please explain how to modify berryboot
[9:37] <shiftplusone> ah, there's that too
[9:37] <cityLights> and in what way
[9:37] <shiftplusone> cityLights, berryboot provides an minimal initd that then does a switch_root to allow people to dualboot different distros on the same card.
[9:37] <cityLights> Triffid_Hunter: not sure, let me check
[9:38] <cityLights> min , a workmate just step in
[9:38] <cityLights> brb
[9:38] <shiftplusone> You can modify the init script to mount the squashfs and go from there
[9:38] <shiftplusone> Or re-invent the wheel and use buildroot or something like that to roll your own minimal initrd image for that.
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[9:45] <cityLights> no need
[9:45] <cityLights> if I may use squashfs as initrd - its fine by me
[9:45] <shiftplusone> I don't think you can
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[9:46] <shiftplusone> If I understand it correctly, initrd images are loaded into RAM and it doesn't sound like it's going to fit.. and if it does, you're not going to have much room to play with.
[9:46] <Triffid_Hunter> initrd is loaded into mem by the bootloader
[9:46] <Triffid_Hunter> should containt the absolute bare minimum needed to point the kernel at something useful on a disk somewhere
[9:47] <cityLights> ok , I see
[9:47] <cityLights> thank you all for the information
[9:47] <shiftplusone> good luck
[9:47] <Triffid_Hunter> ie uclibc, busybox, not much else
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[10:19] <overrider> whats the difference between an rpi version B with a yellow vs a blue audio out?
[10:19] <overrider> I am trying to determine which one the latest version is, but the pictures are all slightly different
[10:21] <overrider> Like some seem to use Samsung, some seem to use other branded chips - where to find out which one is "the real thing" ?
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[10:22] <[deXter]> overrider, never seen a yellow audio out.. could be a made-in-china version
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[10:22] <[deXter]> there are a fair few different models, and depending on where it's manufactured the components may differ slightly.
[10:22] <overrider> [deXter]: the one in this store, linked from the rpi website http://uk.rs-online.com/web/generalDisplay.html?id=raspberrypi
[10:23] <overrider> Actually the one in the real store is blue again, but the one in the banner is yellow, same as the one i have already
[10:23] <overrider> Pretty odd. I am wondering what the caveats are - or is it all the same as long as i have Version B with 500MB RAM and an ethernet ports
[10:23] <[deXter]> overrider, uh.. the yellow port in the site is the RCA Video out.
[10:24] <overrider> Sorry thats what i meant
[10:24] <[deXter]> >_>
[10:24] <overrider> <_<
[10:24] <overrider> My Audio port is black, others are blue
[10:24] <overrider> Confusion
[10:24] <[deXter]> yeah could be the first revision board with 256MB RAM
[10:24] <[deXter]> or a china made board with 512MB RAM
[10:25] <[deXter]> a quick way to tell is that the 256MB Black port one shouldn't ahve any mounting holes
[10:25] <overrider> [deXter]: correct, the one i got right now does not have mounting holes
[10:26] <Triffid_Hunter> my rpi has a yellow composite port
[10:26] <[deXter]> yeah, then its the first revision
[10:26] <Triffid_Hunter> I think they just got a different colour part at some point during production
[10:26] <BlueMint> shiftplusone, dunno if you guy, but I went out today and pretty much got a job. Interview on monday :)
[10:26] <BlueMint> s/guy/care (I'm tired)
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[10:36] <RaTTuS|BIG> overrider the only real way to find out what version is to look at the revision .. see http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=281257#p281039
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[10:36] <ShotokanZH> hi all
[10:36] <ShotokanZH> i've a problem with video playback (omxplayer+rtsp://) on raspberry, anyone can help me?
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[10:36] <ShotokanZH> basically, a 720p h264 stream has a 7s delay
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[10:38] <ShotokanZH> anyone knows how to reduce that delay?
[10:38] <ShotokanZH> i eve tried this way
[10:38] <ShotokanZH> *even
[10:38] <ShotokanZH> sudo mplayer -bandwidth 2000 -nosound -framedrop -nocache -dumpvideo rtsp://\?channel=1\&subtype=0\&authbasic=YWRtaW46YWRtaW4= -dumpfile pipe.mkv | sudo omxplayer pipe.mkv
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[10:39] <RaTTuS|BIG> oxmplaer is the only thing to use hardware decode
[10:40] <ShotokanZH> infact i'm using it in both cases.
[10:40] <[deXter]> ShotokanZH, What if you use http instead of rtsp?
[10:40] <ShotokanZH> [deXter], the ip camera i'm using has no http streaming protocol, or you say to use http protocol ON 554 port?
[10:41] <ShotokanZH> (first test was: sudo omxplayer "rtsp://" )
[10:41] <[deXter]> Nah, that won't work if it doesn't support http..
[10:41] <ShotokanZH> [deXter], the camera supports ONVIF & RTSP protocol
[10:42] <ShotokanZH> there's no way to reduce that delay so?
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[10:43] <Triffid_Hunter> ShotokanZH: you want to shrink the caches I think
[10:43] <ShotokanZH> Triffid_Hunter, how to do that on omxplayer? :)
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[10:43] <ShotokanZH> -nocache would do the trick?
[10:44] <Triffid_Hunter> dunno, try it and see
[10:45] <ShotokanZH> BAM, segmentation fault
[10:45] <ShotokanZH> sudo omxplayer "rtsp://" -nocache
[10:45] <ShotokanZH> /usr/bin/omxplayer: line 22: 2938 Segmentation fault LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$OMXPLAYER_LIBS:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH $OMXPLAYER_BIN "$@"
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[10:46] <Triffid_Hunter> ShotokanZH: grab latest git and try
[10:46] <Hoerie> wouldn't there be a short runup time with a h264 stream? I take it needs a chunk to properly decode?
[10:47] <Triffid_Hunter> yes. there will always be some delay, but 7s seems excessive
[10:48] <ShotokanZH> Triffid_Hunter, tested on a windows tablet (VLC) it has only 2s of delay
[10:48] <Hoerie> what's the delay in the camera itself?
[10:48] <ShotokanZH> sometimes less than 2s.
[10:48] <Hoerie> ok so you're looking at about 5secs extra delay
[10:48] <ShotokanZH> exactly
[10:48] <Triffid_Hunter> ShotokanZH: pretty sure it's relatively large caches in omxplayer itself
[10:48] <Hoerie> sounds a likely culprit
[10:49] <ShotokanZH> can't find a flag to reduce that
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[10:50] <Hoerie> https://github.com/huceke/omxplayer/issues/121 <-- seems related
[10:51] <Triffid_Hunter> yeah omxplayer is fairly primitive, seems to be the bare minimum to get the job done
[10:51] <Triffid_Hunter> hoping that someone's working on mplayer -vo omx
[10:52] <ShotokanZH> -vo=video output?
[10:54] <ShotokanZH> Triffid_Hunter, that basically sucks btw..
[10:54] <ShotokanZH> so if i want no buffer - - -
[10:54] <jelly1> is the gstreamer omx thingy done?
[10:54] <ShotokanZH> i need to recompile the whole omxplayer by myself..
[10:54] <jelly1> s/omx/othersillypropapiforcrappyclosedsourcegpu/
[10:55] <jelly1> http://cgit.freedesktop.org/gstreamer/gst-omx/ might be interesting with gstreamer backend video players
[10:55] <jelly1> openmax is the api
[10:56] <ShotokanZH> jelly1, should that work?
[10:56] <jelly1> ShotokanZH: not sure how far the port is..
[10:56] <jelly1> or what it supports ;)
[10:57] <ShotokanZH> but it *ipotetically should* do the trick
[10:57] <ShotokanZH> xD
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[10:59] <ShotokanZH> jelly1, i'll let you know :), btw thanx.
[11:00] <jelly1> ShotokanZH: you could search the forums :p
[11:00] <ShotokanZH> jelly1, believe me, it's 2 weeks i'm doing that
[11:00] <ShotokanZH> xD
[11:00] <ShotokanZH> and the thing that shocked me
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[11:00] <ShotokanZH> it's that only omxplayer is supported for gpu acceleration D:
[11:01] <ShotokanZH> neither a f*cking vlc D:
[11:01] <jelly1> ShotokanZH: and xbmc.
[11:02] <ShotokanZH> from what i readed
[11:02] <jelly1> http://gstreamer-devel.966125.n4.nabble.com/Current-status-of-GStreamer-on-Raspberry-Pi-td4658426.html
[11:02] <ShotokanZH> xmbc uses omxplayer XD
[11:02] <Hoerie> doesn't xbmc use a version of omxplayer internally?
[11:02] <jelly1> iirc it doesn['t
[11:02] <jelly1> oh
[11:02] <ShotokanZH> Hoerie, exactly :D
[11:02] <jelly1> lol
[11:02] <Hoerie> it's not THE omxplayer but A omxcplayer
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[11:02] <jelly1> gst-inspect-0.10 | grep omx
[11:02] <jelly1> openmax omxmpeg4videodec: OpenMAX MPEG4 Video Decoder
[11:02] <jelly1> openmax omxh264dec: OpenMAX H.264 Video Decoder
[11:02] <jelly1> http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/528/how-can-i-install-gstreamer-gst-omx
[11:02] <jelly1> so hmm might work :o
[11:03] <ShotokanZH> i'm tyring to install that
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[11:04] <ShotokanZH> harder than i thought.
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[11:05] <ShotokanZH> ok, launched ./configure
[11:05] <ShotokanZH> let's see.
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[11:05] <ShotokanZH> (maybe i should have oc'd it b4.. xD
[11:05] <ShotokanZH> )
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[11:37] <shiftplusone> BlueMint, sorry, was afk. Good to hear, now you can get yourself all kinds of gear.
[11:37] <BlueMint> shiftplusone, exactly my thought :) Scary to think in 4 hours of work I can get an RPi. That used to take 6 months until my birthday :P
[11:38] <Triffid_Hunter> BlueMint: you got a job someplace?
[11:39] <BlueMint> Triffid_Hunter, yep! They pretty much said I would get the job, but they need to do a quick phone interview :P
[11:39] <BlueMint> At a caltex petrol station
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[11:40] <Triffid_Hunter> BlueMint: ah nice.. if it gets robbed, just give 'em whatever. insurance covers the losses
[11:40] <BlueMint> Triffid_Hunter, yes, that thought actually did cross my mind ): Thanks for the advice, I didn't know insurance would cover
[11:40] <shiftplusone> I hope the one you got the job at has cameras. You get a lot of drive-offs and if the station doesn't have cameras, they blame you for not writing down the plates.
[11:41] <BlueMint> shiftplusone, oh god. I hope it has cameras now hahah
[11:41] <Triffid_Hunter> BlueMint: be sure to ask them of their policy about what you should do in that situation. pretty sure it'll mirror what I said
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[11:42] <shiftplusone> Triffid_Hunter, that sort of thing would be part of training, since they would be liable if he gets hurt.
[11:42] <BlueMint> Triffid_Hunter, thanks :) I will definitely ask. I hope there is some sort of safety protection too incase of a robbery
[11:42] <Triffid_Hunter> BlueMint: stations in more robbery prone areas have night windows
[11:42] <Triffid_Hunter> basically a bulletproof screen like a bank with a slot at the bottom
[11:43] <BlueMint> Triffid_Hunter, it's a fairly rich area. So there won't be too many drive offs, but also less protection for me
[11:43] <shiftplusone> There will always be drive-offs
[11:43] <shiftplusone> my ex worked at caltex while at uni.
[11:43] <Triffid_Hunter> BlueMint: as shiftplusone says, you'll have to go through some training where they should tell you about stuff
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[11:44] <BlueMint> I never knew I would get job advice from here. heheh. I hope they give me a lot of training, I'm a little nervous
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[11:45] <Triffid_Hunter> BlueMint: I lived 2 doors from a 24hr servo for a few years in brisbane, had plenty of chats with the attendants in the wee hours of the morning
[11:45] <Triffid_Hunter> generally waiting for the time when they chuck out all the pies ;)
[11:46] <shiftplusone> heh
[11:46] <BlueMint> hahahah!
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[11:47] <shiftplusone> The major problem my ex had was the constant pressure to upsell, quick mental maths skills that help when giving change, the drive-offs and loiterers.
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[11:47] <Triffid_Hunter> those graveyard shift guys were almost universally completely baked on weed.. company didn't care as long as it wasn't blatant and they could still perform
[11:47] <BlueMint> I'm good at money math, but what's upsell?
[11:47] <shiftplusone> heh
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[11:48] <Triffid_Hunter> heh I've got that quick mental math for change down to a fine art, never worked in retail though
[11:48] <Triffid_Hunter> BlueMint: trying to get people to buy more than they intended to buy when they walked in the door
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[11:48] <BlueMint> Ahh
[11:48] <shiftplusone> If someone buys a red bull, you say "they are on special, so if you buy another one you can get them for..."
[11:49] <shiftplusone> that sort of deal
[11:49] <BlueMint> I would be very very bad at that.
[11:49] <Triffid_Hunter> BlueMint: if you do it as an offer of assistance rather than a marketing push you'll feel far less dirty about it
[11:50] <shiftplusone> They tell you what to say, so it's more like a script. My ex would get competitive about it though. >.>
[11:50] <BlueMint> Triffid_Hunter, I never saw it from that view
[11:50] <Triffid_Hunter> BlueMint: like "hey, we got a special on those if you're interested"- allow them to take it or leave it
[11:50] <BlueMint> hehehe, I'm getting good work place training here
[11:50] <Triffid_Hunter> BlueMint: some folks know exactly what they want, other folks don't notice the ads. the second type will accept your upsell, and the first type will appreciate your making it easy to say no
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[11:52] <BlueMint> Those ads are so tempting :P
[11:53] <BlueMint> It's like a boost bar is $1.90 and two are $2.00
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[12:32] <JohannesG> t
[12:32] <JohannesG> oops, ignore that
[12:32] <SpeedEvil> u
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[13:04] <thebastl> hi
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[13:05] <thebastl> hi anyone in here using the rasp as a mediacenter for playing fullhd material?
[13:06] <thebastl> will that work?
[13:06] <thebastl> with smooth playback
[13:07] <Triffid_Hunter> thebastl: yes, if you use omxplayer
[13:07] <thebastl> and with this raspmbc thing?
[13:07] <thebastl> (im interested in the airplay part too)
[13:07] <Triffid_Hunter> thebastl: that's the whole point, would be pretty surprised if it was poor at it
[13:08] <Triffid_Hunter> thebastl: xbmc invokes omxplayer last time I checked
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[13:08] <thebastl> thanks ;)
[13:08] <linuxstb> Triffid_Hunter: Not quite. "omxplayer" is a standalone version of the Pi playback engine in xbmc.
[13:10] <Triffid_Hunter> ah ok
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[13:34] <dreamreal> what the... when I insert the outlink 802.11n dongle the raspi is rebooting!
[13:34] * dreamreal ponders
[13:34] <nid0> poor power supply, at a guess
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[13:39] <dreamreal> nid0: hmm, could be, I'll check
[13:39] <dreamreal> just caught me by surprise
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[13:42] <dreamreal> nid0: do you know of a known-good power supply for the pi with attachments?
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[13:43] <chithead> http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals#Power_adapters
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[13:44] <shiftplusone> Nuh, the power supply won't help much there. You just need to make sure the dongle is plugged in when you power up your pi.
[13:45] <dreamreal> shiftplusone: will give it a shot, because testing the power shows 5.05v, which is right where it should be
[13:45] <chithead> you test the power at the gpio pins, yes?
[13:45] <dreamreal> testing with tp1 and tp2
[13:46] <dreamreal> shiftplusone: the behavior is the same even powering up with the dongle in place
[13:46] <Triffid_Hunter> http://triffid-hunter.no-ip.info/101_0120.JPG <-- this helps heaps with the power.. I can hotplug my wifi all day and it's fine
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[13:46] <shiftplusone> dreamreal, what happens? it just reboots constantly?
[13:47] <dreamreal> shiftplusone: yep, goes through a reboot cycle
[13:47] <shiftplusone> Sounds like a powered hub might be in order
[13:47] <dreamreal> a powered hub for the dongle itself?
[13:48] <shiftplusone> yup, but I am not 100% sure that will help.
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[13:49] <dreamreal> hmm, the 256m pi I had the dongle plugged into before (it's at the machine shop now) didn't do this - let me try another 256m pi
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[13:50] <shiftplusone> that 256m may have had polyfuses on the usb input which prevented the dongle from drawing too much current at once.
[13:50] <shiftplusone> I would be a little surprised if that dongle worked properly with the polyfuses in place though.
[13:51] <dreamreal> well, I wasn't able to get it doing what I wanted it to do, so it may not have been working
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[13:53] <nid0> sounds like you just have a power hungry dongle
[13:54] <dreamreal> could be. It's one of those oversized ones, got it from adafruit so I figured it'd be okay :/
[13:54] * neilr thinks that the term "power hungry dongle" sounds like it could be applied to a politician.
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[14:01] <x29a> or a vibrator?
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[14:07] <Elspuddy> question, i got one of them power meter things (current cost envi) would this work on my pi ?? ( i have the lead its some rj45 to usb wire)
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[14:13] <BurtyB> elgrecoFL, probably as iirc it's 3.3v serial so you'd just need to google to find the pinout
[14:14] <elgrecoFL> Elspuddy: probably meant for you ^^^^
[14:14] <pksato> Elspuddy: you have a link to this thing?
[14:15] <Elspuddy> yep
[14:15] <Elspuddy> its http://surrentcost.com/product-envi.html
[14:15] <Elspuddy> whoops
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[14:15] <Elspuddy> its http://currentcost.com/product-envi.html
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[14:16] <Elspuddy> well i found the software to make the graph (rrdtool)
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[14:29] <esing> Can I not play mpeg-2 videos only with raspbian or is this constraint also if you run other distru's as debian or arch on raspberry pi?
[14:30] <dreamreal> well, crap, I *have* now powered hubs here
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[14:34] <Elspuddy> ahh, bingo looks like i can run that montor on my pi :)
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[14:41] <linuxstb> esing: You can play mpeg-2 videos using "omxplayer", which should be available for any Linux distro on the Pi. You'll need to pay ?2.40 for the MPEG-2 codec license key though.
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[14:45] <esing> linuxstb, Oh I see, so the license issue is not a software issue but a hardware issue right, so if I buy a pci graphiccard, the graphiccard manufacture, payed the mpeg-2 license already for me?
[14:45] <nid0> yes
[14:45] <chithead> the license is per playback device
[14:45] <esing> good to know, thanks
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[15:10] <Elspuddy> hmm, i think iv goffed some whwre
[15:10] <Elspuddy> Debian Lenny / Squeeze does not work with the data cable , , On a Raspberry Pi both data cables are working
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[15:17] <esing> Which distribution do you recommend for raspberry pi considering the fastest boot time?
[15:18] <shiftplusone> arch
[15:18] <ShadowJK> Windows8 removed dvd support so MS would save on license fees
[15:19] <esing> shiftplusone, I imagined that raspbmc might boot up fast because of its minimized kernel
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[15:20] <shiftplusone> the kernel doesn't affect boot time all that much, but I haven't used raspbmc, so I have no idea how fast it boots
[15:21] <esing> shiftplusone, With arch and say a class 10 sd card you would be around 25 seconds booting up?
[15:21] <shiftplusone> I haven't timed, but I would expect less than that.
[15:22] <jelly1> who actually cares about boottime :p
[15:22] <jelly1> if we are talking about boot time for an xbmc install use openelec
[15:23] <shiftplusone> I suspect he wants an actual distro. If we're really talking about boot time alone, then use a kernel with built-in busybox and nothing else =/
[15:23] <jelly1> or just keep it running
[15:23] <IT_Sean> esing: why the emphasis on boot time?
[15:24] <jelly1> rebooting is unneeded anyway
[15:24] <esing> Hm, good to know, thanks
[15:25] <esing> IT_Sean, I have accustomed to a short boot time, since I upgraded to an ssd on my desktop
[15:25] <shiftplusone> arch will suit you fine, I think
[15:25] * IT_Sean rolls his eyes
[15:26] <IT_Sean> I don't think you'll see an issue with long boot times on any distro.. :p
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[15:26] <IT_Sean> They should all boot pretty quickly.
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[15:28] <jelly1> systemd is pretty quick :)
[15:28] <jelly1> the pi doesn't have a bios so that makes it nicer
[15:29] <Triffid_Hunter> jelly1: yes it does.. what do you think grabs config.txt from the vfat volume on your sd card?
[15:29] <Tachyon`> lol
[15:29] <jelly1> Tachyon`: I don't think that takes much time
[15:29] <Tachyon`> berryboot is nice but it'd be nicer if I wasn't stuck with canned distros
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[15:38] <mindracer> Hey all, I put scripts to execute in /etc/network/init-up.d and init-down.d, but the scripts aren't executed when i unplugged my network cable or when i replug it. Anyone have experience in this area?
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[15:40] <Triffid_Hunter> mindracer: sure. plug/unplug doesn't automatically bring the interface up and down. you want a daemon such as ifplugd for that
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[15:41] <mindracer> Triffid_Hunter: I basically want to execute a script everytime i lose network connection (even if it is for a couple seconds). actually i want to execute it when i regain the connection
[15:42] <mindracer> Triffid_Hunter: im broadcasting with avconv, and avconv broadcasts whether the connection is available or not to the desired IP, and if the internet is not up, it broadcasts to nothingness, even if the internet comes back
[15:42] <mindracer> maybe i should run a cron job to ping every 5 seconds.. hmmm.. what do you think
[15:42] <mindracer> (im a n00b)
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[15:46] <Triffid_Hunter> mindracer: I'd get ifplugd working, then use the scripts you're already using
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[15:57] <esing> I need in total three usb's ports and Iam not sure if it is worth to get an externally powered usb hub for this. Would a passive two port hub like this work with the power of raspberry pi model b http://www.amazon.de/Delock-Power-Adapter-Kabel-2xUSB/dp/B001BHVMIU/ref=sr_1_7?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1368107723&sr=1-7&keywords=usb+hub
[15:58] <Bushmills> depends what you intend to connect to the usb ports
[15:58] <esing> I connect to the raspberry these usb devices: wireless keyboard, wireless stick and usb stick
[15:59] <esing> s\wireless\wireless stick
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[15:59] <nid0> you'd have to check the power ratings for each
[15:59] <esing> s\wireless\wireless LAN stick
[15:59] <nid0> its do-able if theyre all low power, but otherwise you'll need a powered hub
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[16:01] <Triffid_Hunter> esing: yes get a powered hub. most wifi sticks pull enough power to cause trouble
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[16:03] <esing> Good to know, thanks
[16:04] <Bushmills> some suggest to power usb directly from rasp input voltage, as in http://scarydevilmonastery.net/snap/1368108239875463998d.png
[16:05] <Bushmills> means, your setup would be sensitive to short circuiting behind usb
[16:05] <Triffid_Hunter> http://triffid-hunter.no-ip.info/101_0120.JPG is what I did to mine :)
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[16:08] <esing> Would you also cut a connection or just connect the usb pins with rasp input voltage
[16:09] <Bushmills> that's just connecting through
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[16:09] <esing> Hm, and with that tweak I might be fine with the passive hub then?
[16:10] <Bushmills> yes
[16:10] <esing> Great, thank you
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[16:12] <Triffid_Hunter> it's not just wires, I added a few MLCC as well
[16:13] <arrnas> can you hotswap usb devices? my rpi restarts when i connect a usb dongle, i'm using a samsung tablet charger with 5V2A output.
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[16:14] <esing> Triffid_Hunter, Do you have circuit drawing for that?
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[16:17] <Tachyon`> arrnas, in theory yes, in practise if you're not using a powered hub and the device draws a lot, no, the brief voltage drop will as you've noticed trigger a reboot
[16:17] <Triffid_Hunter> esing: nope no need, the wires simply mirror the pi's internal traces and carry extra current from inputs to the usb sockets. the MLCC prevent the voltage at the pi dipping when something is first plugged in
[16:18] <Triffid_Hunter> arrnas: http://triffid-hunter.no-ip.info/101_0120.JPG <-- I can now hotplug things to my heart's content with no ill effect
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[16:18] <esing> Triffid_Hunter, I don't see where you soldered the MLCC at
[16:18] <murphycr> Triffid_Hunter: Nice mod!
[16:19] <Triffid_Hunter> esing: there's two at the usb sockets, and one at the GPIO header
[16:19] <Triffid_Hunter> murphycr: thx :)
[16:19] <Triffid_Hunter> I do electronics design professionally, so I recognised the signs of 1) too thin pcb traces and 2) not enough decoupling capacitors straight away
[16:20] <Triffid_Hunter> frankly I'm surprised that rpi foundation didn't have this sorted before production
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[16:25] <esing> Triffid_Hunter, Hm, due of the resolution I still don't recognize the MLCC's. Did I point them out correctly? http://i.imgur.com/A3EQdtu.jpg
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[16:26] <Triffid_Hunter> esing: you got the one on the GPIO right
[16:26] <arrnas> Tachyon`,thanks
[16:26] <Triffid_Hunter> esing: the sections you've indicated near the usb ports are actually wire links between one end of the MLCC and the other power pin on the usb socket ;)
[16:26] <arrnas> Triffid_Hunter,ill have to save that for later, thanks
[16:27] <Triffid_Hunter> esing: look closely at the usb port- top right and bottom left
[16:27] <Triffid_Hunter> esing: they're 10uF if you're curious
[16:27] <arrnas> i was also wondering, if i get a powered usb hub, can i power the pi with one of the outputs?
[16:27] <Triffid_Hunter> arrnas: most powered hubs will back-power the pi via the uplink
[16:27] <Triffid_Hunter> they shouldn't, but they do
[16:29] <arrnas> thats actually very convenient
[16:29] <arrnas> hopefully there are hubs that give 2A output without costing too much
[16:30] <esing> Triffid_Hunter, This should be right I hope : http://i.imgur.com/6eA4Tb2.jpg
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[16:32] <esing> Triffid_Hunter, Iam not exactly sure why you needed the GPIO pins. Could you not have put the third MLCC like this: http://i.imgur.com/WXoFqPS.jpg
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[16:36] <esing> The wires look like they are connected thus http://i.imgur.com/qr8PPHN.jpg
[16:37] <Triffid_Hunter> esing: http://triffid-hunter.no-ip.info/101_0120_mlcc.jpg
[16:38] <Triffid_Hunter> esing: yep, I probably should jumper the other side of the two ports together
[16:39] <Triffid_Hunter> esing: I run wires and mlcc on the GPIO because http://triffid-hunter.no-ip.info/101_0059.JPG
[16:39] <Triffid_Hunter> beware! if you power your pi that way, one wrong move and it's permanently fried
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[16:43] <esing> Triffid_Hunter, I see... Though if I power it only through the voltage input (and not like you additional through the GPIO), then I would still need that "jumper MLCC" as drawn in here? http://i.imgur.com/WXoFqPS.jpg
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[16:43] <Triffid_Hunter> esing: should work fine without it
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[16:44] <Triffid_Hunter> still run the wires to the gpio though, the more points at which we inject solid 5v power into the rpi's PCB the better
[16:44] <IT_Sean> O_o
[16:45] <Triffid_Hunter> also, I'm not responsible if you screw it up, modify your pi at your own risk!
[16:46] <Triffid_Hunter> I'm not even advocating that you mod it, just telling folks what worked for me
[16:46] <esing> Triffid_Hunter, So you use two seperate psu's, one on the input voltage and the other on the GPIO or are the 5V connected to the same psu?
[16:46] <Triffid_Hunter> esing: I run my pi via the gpio only. this bypasses the input polyfuse, so in a fault it will likely die
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[16:48] <Triffid_Hunter> also, my profession includes electronics design so I'm more than qualified to make these changes, and be responsible for the outcome
[16:48] <taza> armas: You actually want to AVOID the hubs back-powering the Pi if you want to be safe.
[16:48] <Triffid_Hunter> IT_Sean: what do you reckon?
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[16:49] <IT_Sean> Um...
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[16:49] <taza> Is that "don't do it if you want to play it safe with your $35 computer"?
[16:50] <Triffid_Hunter> I just wanted to be able to hotplug stuff without it browning out
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[16:50] <Triffid_Hunter> taza: don't forget all the neat things you have plugged into it ;)
[16:50] <taza> Frankly I'd just choose the powered hub... could I find one not doing the backpowering thing
[16:50] * IT_Sean powers his Pi from the microUSB without issue
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[16:51] <taza> As long as I don't attach too many devices, it works for me too
[16:52] <IT_Sean> I have the RF receiver for a keyboard and an external HDD plugged into USB, and the LED in a power switch powered off the GPIO 5v
[16:52] <Triffid_Hunter> I didn't have any spare uUSB cables, and had plenty of female crimps and housings and a dead tablet to scavenge a supply from :)
[16:52] <esing> Triffid_Hunter, Well, I would place the pi in the sleeping room, so it shouldn't catch fire or similar
[16:53] <taza> Then Triffid_Hunter's style might be a little excessive.
[16:53] <taza> In general, you don't want to hack power supplies unless you're fine with things catching on fire.
[16:54] <esing> Hehe ^^
[16:54] <Triffid_Hunter> excessive -> reliable in my book ;)
[16:54] * taza reads the front cover
[16:54] <esing> If it would be in my sleeping room I'd be fine, but I won't take the risk for others :)
[16:54] <taza> "The Book of Exploding Things"
[16:55] <Triffid_Hunter> also, the rpi's power system is evidently under-engineered
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[16:59] <mindracer> does raspberry still have the usb2 issue?
[16:59] <mindracer> (people are setting otg speed to 1 because of the usb2 packet issue).. i remember this from a few months ago
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[17:01] <Triffid_Hunter> mindracer: haven't encountered that one.. also haven't used usb2 much so may simply have not triggered it
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[17:05] <Elspuddy> question, i got a current cost meeter and hooked it up to my pi via there rj45 to usb adapter, iv floowed the instaruction on how to set this up on linux via http://code.google.com/p/measureit/wiki/Linux , but some how its not showing me any web page on localos, any idear on where iv goen wrong and how to fix it ?
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[17:58] <tinti> Do somebody know how to programmatic control network manager ? C, Java, Python ...
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[18:01] <mdik> hi. is there a changelog somewhere, where i can see the changes from 2012-12-16 to 2013-02-09 raspbian?
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[18:02] <mdik> (and are all these changes incorporated when i do "aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade"?)
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[18:21] <tinti> Lesson to me RTFM: http://projects.gnome.org/NetworkManager/developers/
[18:21] <roll> can i disable the hdmi port to save a little bit of power? it's only being accessed over ssh over the ethernet port
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[18:27] <RaTTuS|BIG> roll no - if you need to save power than a model A is the way to go
[18:27] <RaTTuS|BIG> ooh pub time
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[18:32] <roll> RaTTuS|BIG: i'm using the model B because i need ethernet and the 512mb ram, i'm just trying to minimize the power it wastes as much as possible. i know it won't reach the model A's level of power use, but i'm trying to minimize it as much as i can. i'm already at 100MHz
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[18:34] <Bushmills> you could attach a photovoltaic cell to buffer the pi's power drain a bit
[18:34] <roll> Bushmills: by the way, yesterday you helped me set the governor to ondemand, how do i do that on boot? i know i can set arm_freq_min in the config file, can i also set the governor to ondemand there somehow?
[18:35] <mgottschlag> roll: if you need to save power, you could also replace the voltage converters, that should reduce power consumption quite a bit
[18:35] <Bushmills> i'd expect that can be done in /etc/sysctl.conf but would have to verify myself first before i'm going claim that
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[18:37] <roll> i guess 100MHz with no usb devices is the best i'll get on the model B power consumption wise for now. as you suggested, i'm going to try to compile the kernel soon though
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[18:43] <Bushmills> install cpufrequtils and set governor in /etc/init.d/cpufrequtils
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[18:45] <Bushmills> or add an init script, a cron @reboot job, or put in /etc/rc.local a command which sets governor in /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq
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[18:45] <Bushmills> scaling_governor that is
[18:47] <Bushmills> there's also a powersave governor
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[18:50] <Triffid_Hunter> roll: there's only so low you can go.. the ethernet phy uses a decent chunk of power just driving the cable
[18:52] <roll> Triffid_Hunter: oh i know, i know the model A uses less, but i'm just trying to get the model B as low as possible
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[18:52] <roll> also, it it safe to set /tmp to be a tempfs?
[18:52] <Triffid_Hunter> roll: yeah should be. make sure you have some swap
[18:53] <roll> Triffid_Hunter: i thought swap was extremely bad for the sd card?
[18:53] <Triffid_Hunter> roll: don't think so, especially if you never use it
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[18:53] <Triffid_Hunter> roll: if you're worried about hitting the write cycle limit, get a card that's waay bigger than you need. then the translation table has tons of spare blocks to use
[18:54] <roll> alright, it's a 32GB and the raspbian image is ... around 1.2GB as of right now so i guess it's not an issue
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[18:54] <roll> any data my rpi uses is mounted over nfs anyway
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[18:55] <mgottschlag> roll: why are you trying that hard to reduce power?
[18:55] <mgottschlag> are you running from battery?
[18:55] <Triffid_Hunter> roll: let me put it this way. with a 2GB card and 10k write cycles (which is pathetic by modern flash standards) and writing constantly at 5MB/s, it would take almost 2 months to hit the write cycle limit
[18:56] <roll> mgottschlag: because i'd like to, simple as that. i used to have this imac running 24/7 just for irssi, now my raspberry pi is doing that, so just out of fun i'm trying to get it down to as little power usage as possible
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[19:06] <oldtopman> Triffid_Hunter: I'd like to point out that an SD card has no wear-leveling, so if you rewrite the same piece of data over and over again, it will corrupt much faster.
[19:06] <oldtopman> I have 2 dead microSD cards, actually.
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[19:06] <Triffid_Hunter> oldtopman: last time I checked they do
[19:07] <roll> so if i'm recompiling the kernel to optimize for power saving, what settings should i enable/disable really?
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[19:08] <oldtopman> Triffid_Hunter: Not specified in the spec - it may vary based on the chip manufacturer.
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[19:09] <oldtopman> Most of the ones that do have it require FAT.
[19:09] <esing> How do I power pi off and on by a button
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[19:09] <aphadke> esing: afaik, u can't, just remove the power supply.
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[19:10] <esing> aphadke, If linux didn't unmount the usb stick nor the sd card, wouldn't this lead to problemsd
[19:11] <aphadke> esing: its flash drive, shouldn't..
[19:11] <roll> esing: you should halt first as well (shut down) before removing the power supply
[19:11] <Triffid_Hunter> esing: yes. your best bet I think is to write something in wiringpi that monitors one of the gpio and issues acpi power button presses to the kernel
[19:12] <esing> Good to know, thanks
[19:13] <Triffid_Hunter> esing: don't just yank the power, you can end up with a corrupted filesystem. mounting root read-only solves that nicely, however it makes other things tricksy ;)
[19:13] <nid0> fwiw, every major brand of sd card does in fact have wear levelling
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[19:14] <esing> If I powered pi down from the OS, then I would have to unplug the power first and then plug it in again to start pi?
[19:14] <Bushmills> esing: http://picture.yatego.com/images/4cbd413b5da160.9/big_93572-534-054s-kqh/steckdosen-schalter-230v-3500w---standby-strom-abschalten-mit-kontrollleuchte.jpg
[19:14] <Triffid_Hunter> esing: yes
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[19:18] <esing> That would be sufficient actually... combined with Bushmills socket with poweroff button I can also eliminate the standby power consumption of the 5V psu
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[19:26] <SpeedEvil> power idle of a modern energy star USB PSU csan be well under 100mw
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[19:26] <SpeedEvil> controllable power sockets may not be below that
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[19:35] <parallel21> Just got my brand-new raspi, but nothing shows up when I boot. I've formatted the SD and used dd to load the rasp-debian image. Plugged it in using a my kindle's usb power adapter and hooked up an hdmi to hdmi.
[19:35] <esing> Hm, I have only this info about the psu: EU Adapter: Input: 100~240V / 0.5A ; Output: 5V / 2A; ; I guess the 0.5A are the minimum drawing
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[19:36] <esing> parallel21, If you have an composite cable you could try if you see something with that (the yellow one)
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[19:38] <esing> parallel21, Do you have something connected to the usb port yet?
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[19:38] <esing> Are the raspberry additional heatsinks (three pieces: cpu, gpu, lan/usb) worth it?
[19:39] <IT_Sean> Do you have a power supply wiht a higher max current rating? The minimum recommended for the raspi is 750mA. The supply you are using is rated at 500mA.
[19:39] <IT_Sean> esing: No
[19:39] <IT_Sean> The raspi does NOT require external cooling
[19:39] <esing> Good to know that, thx
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[19:40] <esing> IT_Sean, Um, the output is 2A
[19:40] <IT_Sean> Oh, okay. That's fine then
[19:40] <esing> IT_Sean, Iam not sure either what they mean with 0.5A @ input: My guess is that they mean what it draws at minumum (standby)
[19:40] <IT_Sean> that would be my guess.
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[19:47] <petern_> hmm, can't get quagga/zebra to stay running :S
[19:48] <petern_> oh, ipv6 not loaded. that mayn't help
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[19:48] <parallel21> esing: I have a keyboard
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[19:51] <esing> parallel21, That should not matter. Maybe you have another LCD to see if you get an image with the hdmi
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[19:52] <parallel21> esing: I've tried on a couple of monitors and using different hdmi cables.
[19:52] <nid0> what dd command did you use
[19:52] <parallel21> esing: I've also switched out the micro-usb adapter. The power led comes on
[19:52] <IT_Sean> Just the power LED?
[19:52] <nid0> you have likely written the image incorrectly
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[19:52] <IT_Sean> None of the other LEDs?
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[19:53] <parallel21> Just power and ACT
[19:53] <IT_Sean> If so, sounds like it cannot find the OS.
[19:53] <IT_Sean> Oh, ACT comes on?
[19:53] <IT_Sean> hmm.
[19:53] <IT_Sean> Could still be a problem with the OS image.
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[19:59] <esing> parallel21, Which sd card do you have?
[19:59] <esing> Which sd cards do you recommend? I found this to be one of class 10 compatible one's: Samsung SDHC Plus 16GB Class 10
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[19:59] <esing> parallel21, elinux.org/RPi_SD_cardsSamsung SDHC Plus 16GB Class 10
[20:00] <parallel21> Adata class 6 4gb turbo
[20:00] <parallel21> one sec...
[20:00] <esing> parallel21, Neglect latter link. See here for compatibilty http://elinux.org/RPi_SD_cards
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[20:10] <Tachyon`> pretty much any card will work, but only some cards will work well, IE: class 10 and not kingston
[20:10] <Tachyon`> or anything that's a rebadged kingston
[20:10] * Tachyon` glares at duracell
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[20:20] <TheSnide> Tachyon`: are kingst weak on ftl ?
[20:20] <Tachyon`> I'm not sure what that means but they are extremely slow when it comes to small files
[20:20] <Tachyon`> IE: less than 10% of the speed of some of the competition
[20:21] <Tachyon`> at the same class
[20:21] <Tachyon`> and linux has a /lot/ of small files
[20:21] <Tachyon`> also, the casings seem to disintegratein no time but maybe that's just me
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[20:29] <TheSnide> for casing, well, i found them quite sturdy indtead.
[20:29] <TheSnide> for slow files, well. *that* is true.
[20:30] <TheSnide> yet, i found these little beast almost indestructible. even after a 90C washing cycle :)
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[20:34] <TheSnide> its parter of misforturne didnt survive. was a samsung sturdy.
[20:34] <TheSnide> (but i admit that the samsung feels faster)
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[20:34] <TheSnide> /felt/ (to be pedantic)
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[20:51] <ozzzy> afternoon
[20:51] <IT_Sean> aftermorning
[20:51] <ozzzy> anyone here good with serial ports
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[21:04] <axelm7> hi guys, got an RPi model B 512 MB with 2 USB-RS232 adapters. I wrote a mono app that uses both ports for serial sniffing. My problem is that when I open both ports the RPi hangs (doesn't even respond to ICMP ping). Sounds like a power supply issue. What do you guys think?
[21:05] <axelm7> My power supply is a Samsung smartphone wall charger rated at700 mA
[21:06] <steve_rox> perhaps you should measure the power with meter or something
[21:06] <steve_rox> or maybe you have it aggressively overclocked i dont know
[21:07] <axelm7> no overclocking, standard raspbian wheezy downloaded from raspberrypi.org
[21:07] <ozzzy> I can't get any usb-serial adapter to work
[21:07] <axelm7> ftdi and prolific work fine
[21:08] <ozzzy> tried 2 prolifics and an ftdi
[21:08] <axelm7> at least they are enumerated correctly
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[21:08] <axelm7> mine show up as /dev/ttyUSB0 and /dev/ttyUSB1
[21:08] <ozzzy> yep... the ports show up... but nothing can connect to them
[21:09] <IT_Sean> 700mA is a bit light for a Model B. The specification is for 750mA. With USB devices, it is better to have a 1A supply.
[21:09] <IT_Sean> Do you have a better PSU you can use?
[21:09] <axelm7> I'll see if someone here at the office can lend me a 2A Galaxy S3 ps
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[21:11] <chris_99> axelm7, could be a kernel panic
[21:12] <parallel21> What SD card would people recommend?
[21:12] <chris_99> i use the transcend ones because they're pretty cheap and class 10
[21:12] <axelm7> chris_99, could be.
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[21:12] <axelm7> unfortunately my rpi is headless
[21:13] <chris_99> you can debug it if you attach a usb->3.3V serial adapter to the GPIO pins
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[21:13] <Twist-> Or if you get a monitor.. heh. They're pretty cheap these days.
[21:16] <axelm7> just tried an 850 mA Sony Ericsson PS. same result.
[21:16] <axelm7> I tested with a single USB-RS232 converter this time
[21:17] <axelm7> is the ACT LED supposed to blink if the kernel is alive?
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[21:17] <axelm7> or does it blink only when there is Ethernet traffic
[21:18] <IT_Sean> axelm7: the ACT LED blinks for SD card activity.
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[21:24] <chris_99> Twist-, the kernel panics normally go off the screen
[21:24] <chris_99> or at least the one i had seemed to
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[21:42] <axelm7> got hold of a powered usb hub, a usb keyboard, a usb mouse, a monitor and an HDMI-DVI converter. Fingers crossed
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[21:43] <Twist-> axelm7: ATX power supplies work well in a pinch if you need some real capacity.
[21:44] <axelm7> kernel panic
[21:44] <axelm7> mouse doesn't move and all my USB devices are powered by an external power supply
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[21:46] <parallel21> sudo dd if=~/Downloads/2013-02-09-wheezy-raspbian.img of=/dev/disk2
[21:47] <parallel21> That looks correct, yes?
[21:47] <parallel21> I feel I've done it a zillion times for linux on usb drives??? but my raspberry still won't boot
[21:48] <axelm7> parallel21, I used the windows application to write my SD card
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[21:50] <linuxstb> parallel21: Yes that should work. You don't need sudo though
[21:51] <linuxstb> parallel21: I normally do "diskutil eject /dev/disk2" afterwards as well
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[21:54] <parallel21> linuxstb: thanks??? for the confirmation. *fingers crossed*
[21:55] <parallel21> Kinda wondering if I got a dud
[21:55] <parallel21> How often might that happen
[21:55] <IT_Sean> Not very.
[21:55] <parallel21> So long as it's user error, I am happy
[21:55] <IT_Sean> It could still be an ID10T error.
[21:56] <nid0> is that the exact precise dd command you're entering?
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[21:56] <nid0> not calling you an idiot but we have plenty of idiots here who insist theyre using so-and-so command and after half an hour of back and forth point out a crucial huge detail they forgot to mention
[21:57] <nid0> such as adding a p1 to the of disk path
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[22:05] <parallel21> IT_Sean :P
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[22:05] <parallel21> nid0: That's the exactline I'm throwing into the terminal
[22:06] <nid0> you should be good then, assuming disk2 is actually your sd card and you're not accidentally writing it to a usb stick or something :)
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[22:14] <ozzzy> any secrets to ser2net that anyone knows?
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[22:17] <Armand> Yes, ozzzy.. it's run by the "Illuminati" !!
[22:17] <Armand> *trollolololol*
[22:17] <ozzzy> it's very odd
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[22:24] <parallel21> grr.. no dice
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[22:25] <parallel21> I've tried two different SD cards??? different hdmi cables across different monitors and different power sources with different microusb cables. No combination has been able to boot this raspberrypi
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[22:26] <parallel21> The two cards I've used are class 6 though??? could that make a difference. The two cards are not listed in RPi_SD_Cards
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[22:29] <ozzzy> I use 16G SanDisk cards.... 30Mb/s they say
[22:29] <ozzzy> I only get 17 or so
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[22:30] <chithead> rpi's sd controller is limited to around 20 mb/s
[22:30] <chithead> many cards perform worse than that, even if these cards do better elsewhere
[22:31] <ozzzy> they should have spent the .30 per and put a real usb chip on the damned thing
[22:31] <IT_Sean> SD cards are optimized for sequential access. The speed ratings you see on them are for sequential access. The raspi will be reading & writing randomly, not sequentially.
[22:32] <roll> is there any plans to make some Model C or something that might be a little higher priced but have gigabit ethernet, a real usb controller, or something?
[22:32] <IT_Sean> Not at present.
[22:32] <chithead> the performance numbers from http://elinux.org/RPi_SD_cards are for sequential reads/writes
[22:33] <IT_Sean> I was referring to the performance numbers the mfgr of hte card would be listing on their own specs.
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[22:33] <chithead> don't forget that the pi is a device to teach coding to schoolchildren. making it fit for any other use is a secondary goal, and making it less affordable is even contrary to the goal
[22:34] <chithead> and besides, gigabit ethernet would consume way too much power
[22:34] <IT_Sean> ^ wot 'e said
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[22:36] <johnc-> can't see why you'd need Gbps anyway, so long as you're gigabit from switch to switch you should be fine
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[22:37] <linuxstb> parallel21: When you put the SD card back in your Mac, do you see files there?
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[22:39] <johnc-> ohhh, my IR sensors arrived \o/
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[22:40] <johnc-> let's hope I don't manage to wire them up incorrectly!
[22:40] <parallel21> ys
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[22:41] <parallel21> I'm going to try hdmi_force_hotplug=1
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[22:46] <johnc-> I wonder if it was apt-get update or firmware update that broke omxplayer, hmmmm
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[22:50] <axelm7> how do I boot in text-only mode with the X server? I changed the default runlevel to 3 to no avail
[22:51] <axelm7> *without X server
[22:52] <pksato> axelm7: raspian? open a root shell, and run rasp-config
[22:53] <axelm7> yeah, raspbian. rasp-config returns command not found
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[22:55] <axelm7> raspi-config
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[22:58] <axelm7> pksato, thanks
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[23:05] <axelm7> pksato, "Should we boot straight to desktop"--> No. It's still starting X. My rpi will run headless, I don't want X. How do I disable it?
[23:05] <nid0> just uninstall it entirely if you dont want it
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[23:07] <axelm7> I don't want it to autostart
[23:07] <axelm7> but I don't want to uninstall it
[23:07] <axelm7> in Fedora it's just a matter of changing the runlevel
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[23:07] <axelm7> here that apparently doesn't work
[23:09] <pksato> NOo?
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[23:11] <pksato> axelm7: login manager is on screen?
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[23:12] <axelm7> in fact it's not even asking for a user/password. Still takes me straight to the desktop, aka autologin
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[23:14] <linuxstb> axelm7: How did you enable X in the first place? via raspi-config, or another way?
[23:16] <pksato> installed other desktop manager?
[23:17] <axelm7> lxde is installed. I really don't remember how it was enabled since that was two months ago. I think via raspi-config
[23:17] <pksato> debian not have a 'magic' way to disable graphics login. need to disable all know/installed login manager. (as I know)
[23:18] <pksato> or change line on /etc/X11/default-display-manager
[23:18] <pksato> to /bin/true
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[23:20] <Robbilie> can you tell me where i can find my pubkey?
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[23:23] <axelm7> ~/.ssh
[23:23] <axelm7> id_rsa.pu
[23:23] <axelm7> *id_rsa.pub
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[23:31] <axelm7> pksato, /bin/true worked fine, thanks
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[23:33] <axelm7> "good" news is that I can easily force a kernel panic by doing setserial -a /dev/ttyUSB0
[23:33] <axelm7> so it's not my app or mono that's screwing up the serial port
[23:33] <axelm7> sounds like a bug in the ftdi serial driver in the kernel
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[23:34] <johnc-> where was the gpu mem split stored before it was moved to /boot/config.txt ?
[23:36] <djazz> johnc-: the .elf files
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[23:36] <johnc-> ahh
[23:36] <djazz> there were different, and a hardcoded value in each
[23:36] <djazz> i think
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[23:36] <johnc-> what was the default value? I need a good value for my 512MB pi
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[23:37] <johnc-> might be why omxplayer isn't rendering
[23:37] <djazz> johnc-: 64 or 128 for omxplayer
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[23:38] <johnc-> hmm, default is 64. I'll try 128
[23:39] <djazz> johnc-: what format is the video?
[23:39] <djazz> a big file?
[23:39] <johnc-> yes
[23:39] <johnc-> h264
[23:39] <johnc-> 720p/1080p
[23:40] <johnc-> damn, I'm getting audio but no video :/
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[23:44] <johnc-> hmm, my laptop decided to take a nap - did I miss anything?
[23:44] <IT_Sean> Nope
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[23:44] <johnc-> dang
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[23:53] <johnc-> so it plays the file, partially - I get audio out for a bit then the whole thing just stops
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[23:55] <johang> does raspberry pi support HW audio decode or not? I see traces of it in omxplayer.
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