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[13:51] <dreamreal> Grievre: heh
[13:51] <gordonDrogon> yea, maybe the $35 budget was just cutting it a bit too fine...
[13:52] <dreamreal> well, personally, I'm thrilled with the pi - $50 is a higher emotional cost than $35
[13:52] <Manei> Grievre: It can be over anything I guess
[13:52] <gordonDrogon> the beaglebone black have also had a year to study & learn ...
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[13:52] <dreamreal> $35 is casual investment, $50 is "hey, what am I buying?"
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[13:52] <Triffid_Hunter> ShadowJK: yeah that's why I put mlcc on the usb ports
[13:52] <Manei> I have a wifi adapter on my pi and I wish to use an xbox controller to control the pins from a different computer.
[13:52] <Grievre> Manei: That's gonna be slow and/or unreliable
[13:52] <Grievre> gordonDrogon: To learn what though?
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[13:52] <dreamreal> Grievre: what worked with the pi and what didn't
[13:53] <Triffid_Hunter> Manei: why not just plug it straight in? they're plain usb with a different connector as far as I know
[13:53] <ShadowJK> Well, phone chargers are *supposed* to lower the voltage when the load increases, to hint to phones what acceptable charging current is..
[13:53] <Manei> Triffid_Hunter: Because the project I am working on requires the xbox controller to be on a different computer
[13:53] <Manei> It would kinda defeat the purpose if it was plugged into the pi
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[13:53] <Grievre> Dreamingpup: ?
[13:54] <Grievre> er
[13:54] <Grievre> dreamreal: ?
[13:54] <Triffid_Hunter> Manei: ah. you'll need to whip something up for that then.. perhaps something that reads /dev/input/eventN or whichever node your controller gets, digests the data and sends something useful over the network
[13:54] <dreamreal> Grievre: beaglebone gets to see what people liked about the pi
[13:54] <Grievre> ah yeah
[13:54] <ozzzy> I'm using a Pi as an 'arduino on steroids'... I don't really need a beaglebone
[13:54] <Manei> Well, I don't understand that much about linux...
[13:55] <Grievre> ozzy: The Pi is only an "arduino on steroids" if you put something other than linux on it
[13:55] <ozzzy> the OS is just plumbing
[13:55] <Grievre> otherwise the arduino actually beats it in several key categories
[13:55] <ozzzy> for my needs debian is just fine
[13:55] <Grievre> sure
[13:55] <ReggieUK> they're different devices doing different things
[13:55] * ShadowJK uses arduino as I/O board for his PCs and Pis
[13:56] <ReggieUK> you can interface to all of the ICs and sensors the same as on an arduino
[13:56] <Tachyon`> the only real disadvantage of pi/linux is the lack of a real time kernel
[13:56] <Grievre> I wonder if you can get PCIe GPIO cards
[13:56] <ReggieUK> Tachyon`, agreed
[13:57] <Grievre> There are a lot of projects where I want real-time, but I don't want to rewrite support for things like filesystems from scratch
[13:57] <Grievre> which has me a bit torn
[13:57] <Grievre> linux has the best collection of drivers of any open source OS
[13:57] <Grievre> but it's not realtime
[13:57] <ShadowJK> realtime is hard
[13:57] <Triffid_Hunter> Grievre: last time I checked, linux supports more devices "out of the box" than any OS ever
[13:57] <ReggieUK> it really needs a groundswell of interest to get it going
[13:57] <Grievre> ShadowJK: It's easy if the number of devices you're talking to and the number of threads you're running are both relatively low
[13:58] <Grievre> ShadowJK: it gets hard when you have a dozen or two peripherals and hundreds of processes
[13:58] <Manei> Triffid_Hunter: How about if I shared my phones network with my pi and had a web based interface?
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[13:58] <Manei> Forget the xbox controller
[13:58] <Manei> And just have buttons
[13:59] <Triffid_Hunter> Manei: sure. latency may be high, make sure your application can handle some
[14:00] <Grievre> Manei: Wifi has significant packet loss even in best-case scenarios
[14:00] <Grievre> So you may find yourself disappointed with any solution you come up with
[14:00] <ozzzy> so far I've written my astro apps for the pi in bash... but I think I'll redo them in perl
[14:00] <Manei> High latency is fine.
[14:00] <Triffid_Hunter> Manei: for best results, use websockets or similar.. that will at least get rid of the setup/exchange/teardown delays for regular ajax or cgi calls
[14:00] <Manei> Do you know any tutorials or references for these?
[14:01] <Triffid_Hunter> Manei: just what google brings up
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[14:01] <Triffid_Hunter> Manei: websocket is basically a persistent, bidirectional ajax call that's set up using a standard http request
[14:01] <Manei> http://www.instructables.com/id/Web-Control-of-Raspberry-Pi-GPIO/
[14:01] <Manei> Um...
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[14:02] <Grievre> Triffid_Hunter: Well whether it's "out of the box" or not is just the fact that they decided to just absorb every open-source driver into the kernel source tree. What's important is not that it comes with the drivers, but that (with some exceptions) most linux distributions are designed to be hardware-agnostic from boot
[14:02] <Grievre> Triffid_Hunter: On multiple occasions I've pulled a hard drive from a machine running linux, put it into an entirely different machine and it booted right up and ran just fine
[14:02] <Triffid_Hunter> Grievre: concur completely, hardware agnostic livecds are awesome :)
[14:02] <Grievre> Windows don't do that
[14:03] <Manei> Grievre: I did it with windows twice
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[14:03] <Triffid_Hunter> heh nope, windows has a complete conniption if you try
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[14:03] <Manei> I just needed new drivers
[14:03] <Manei> Booted up and ran on it for 6 months
[14:03] <Grievre> Manei: Well windows has gotten better about it yes, but it's definitely not designed for it, and after you do it a few times weird things start to happen
[14:04] <Triffid_Hunter> meh windows needs to be reinstalled from scratch every 6 months anyway, last time I checked
[14:04] <Grievre> At least it fixed the major issue in windows XP which was if you move from an Intel processor to an AMD one it will just bluescreen on boot
[14:04] <Grievre> unless you disable intelppm beforehand
[14:07] <ShadowJK> they did have that windows update go out that made windows bluescreen on boot for many amd computers :)
[14:07] <ShadowJK> because the manufacturer had taken a "include all drivers" approach
[14:07] <gordonDrogon> Grievre, there are loads of ISA/PCI IO cards - I've no reason to think there aren't PCIe versions.
[14:07] <gordonDrogon> Grievre, how 'realtime' do you need?
[14:08] <Grievre> gordonDrogon: well like you can't bitbang protocols on the raspberry pi that have timing constraints
[14:09] <Tachyon`> PIC/AVR in the middle and you can, but aye -.o
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[14:10] <Grievre> right I'm saying that there are a lot of projects for which I feel like a single-chip solution is right but using two chips would make the software part easier
[14:10] <Grievre> except for the beaglebone
[14:11] <ShadowJK> you can do realtime on bbb?
[14:12] <Triffid_Hunter> ShadowJK: it has a micro core alongside the app processor
[14:13] <Grievre> two of them actually. And they share memory (some of it anyway)
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[14:13] <Grievre> so you can move data back and forth from your realtime code to your linux system without having to use a serial protocol
[14:15] <gordonDrogon> Grievre, sure, but I'd be wary of doing that on a 'PC' too - or anything with dynamic RAM really.
[14:15] <Grievre> ?
[14:16] <Grievre> why
[14:16] <gordonDrogon> dram refresh has the potential to stall the processor.
[14:16] <Grievre> oh you mean bitbanging
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[14:16] <gordonDrogon> anything needing softwaretiming loops.
[14:17] <gordonDrogon> you can "get away" with a lot on the Pi though, but it all depends on just how "real time" you need. e.g. car engine control - nope, but simple slow robots seem fine. someone has even gotten a balancing robot going on the Pi and a quadcopter and I really didn't think it would be stable enough for that.
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[14:19] <ShadowJK> SMIs are a bigger issue on PCs than cache and dram issues
[14:19] <Grievre> SMI?
[14:19] <ShadowJK> system management interrupt
[14:19] <Tachyon`> think risc os is real time...
[14:20] <Tachyon`> but not sure if you have GPIO access in that
[14:20] <gordonDrogon> risc os - it's co-operative multi-tasking.
[14:20] <dreamon> running apache2 & php5.x on rpi. C program is runing and I want to send from over php a exec("pkill -USR1 -x heizpi"); -> USR1 Signal to my "heipi" program. but the signal is not being received because "heizpi" had to runned as root. what can I do?
[14:20] <gordonDrogon> so if you don't "give up" control, then you get to keep it.
[14:21] <gordonDrogon> however I don't know what happens with interrupts - e.g. if you ping it via Ethernet, etc.
[14:21] <bertrik> I think I got bitten once by SMI, was unexplicably losing time in VxWorks, disabling "usb-legacy support" in the bios fixed it
[14:21] <gordonDrogon> and you still have the underlying gpu/dram issue.
[14:21] <Tachyon`> gordonDrogon, you dont' have to multitask at all in risc os
[14:21] <Tachyon`> you can boot into supervisor or bbc basic
[14:21] <Tachyon`> then all the cpu is for your process
[14:21] <gordonDrogon> apart from the gpu which takes over memory refresh..
[14:22] <Tachyon`> oh bollocks, didn't think of that
[14:22] <Tachyon`> oh well, was a nice idea while it lasted, lol
[14:22] <Grievre> gordonDrogon: well what's the longest possible amount of time DRAM could stall the CPU for? Set your timer interrupt to fire that long (or longer) in advance of the time you want your thing to happen, then when it fires, spinlock until it's actually time to do your thing... this is assuming that the issue is just precision. If you also need to do these things really fast, well then you're
[14:22] <Grievre> out of luck
[14:22] <ShadowJK> Well it's also hw drivers and interrupt handlers that need special attention.. even on linux you get realtime priority over other multitasking processes if you ask for it, and are then limited by interrupt handlers and drivers stealing cpu away
[14:23] <gordonDrogon> Grievre, I think it's easier to use a dedicated microcontroller for the really tight stuff.
[14:23] <gordonDrogon> e.g. I'm doing some stepper motor stuff now - where I have an ATmega controlling a number of steppers with sub 100?S pulsing going to them...
[14:24] <Manei> Ok, so I'm going to follow tghis tutoprial
[14:24] <Manei> http://www.instructables.com/id/Web-Control-of-Raspberry-Pi-GPIO/
[14:24] <Tachyon`> I think the BBC ran the bus at twice the speed and interleaved video/cpu access
[14:24] <gordonDrogon> I can do it on the Pi, but it's littery - to the point where a stepper will stall when being driving at high speed.
[14:24] <Tachyon`> at least I had no timing problems on that system, heh
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[14:24] <ShadowJK> I did wonder if that blasted gpu wouldn't interfere.. too bad there's no "Off" switch :(
[14:24] <gordonDrogon> Tachyon`, yes - both the Apple II and BBC did that - so the dram refresh and video access happened on the opposite clock cycle.
[14:25] <gordonDrogon> My aim is to work with Linux - there are many advantages to using it - e.g. a filing system, network access, but it limits the realtimeness of it all, but for the most part it's understandable and can be worked with - just need to know the limits.
[14:26] <Grievre> gordonDrogon: hehe in my senior design project, we had to design a video interface that would fetch data from ram fast enough to never lose sync no matter how heavy the CPU was working. The CPU had higher priority on the RAM than your video interface, but was guaranteed to only make a request every other cycle
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[14:26] <Grievre> so as long as you spammed your requests as fast as you could you were okay
[14:26] <gordonDrogon> e.g. my softwarePWM/Tone code - works really well - for what it does.
[14:26] <Grievre> gordonDrogon: in retrospect I wish I'd just modified the memory arbiter to prioritize the pixelfeeder
[14:27] <Triffid_Hunter> dreamon: why does your program need to run as root?
[14:27] <gordonDrogon> Grievre, I remember way back using some dual-ported DRAM for video boards - stupidly expensive, but I wasn't the designer..
[14:27] <Triffid_Hunter> dreamon: usually for stuff like that you can create a unix socket in /var somewhere, set appropriate perms and stuff data into it from your php
[14:27] <Grievre> gordonDrogon: I wonder if dual-port DRAM is actually worth it vs getting single-port DRAM that's twice as fast... but then again SDRAM isn't actually random access
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[14:28] <Grievre> (multiple accesses to the same row are faster than to different rows)
[14:28] <dreamon> Triffid_Hunter, wiringPi:-> Must be root to call wiringPiSetup().
[14:29] <gordonDrogon> Grievre, this was 23ish years ago ... seemd like the best idea at the time... I jsut wrote the code for the video sequencer on those boards...
[14:29] <Grievre> just give yourself permissions on whatever device files wiringpi has to use
[14:29] <Grievre> I mean it's just the GPIO pins right?
[14:29] <Grievre> RIGHT?
[14:29] <gordonDrogon> Grievre, sadly not.
[14:29] <gordonDrogon> Grievre, do you own a Pi?
[14:29] <Grievre> I have two
[14:29] <Grievre> or rather I own one, the other was used for a project
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[14:29] <gordonDrogon> wiringPi uses /dev/mem - and giving that world read/write is not generally a good idea.
[14:30] <Grievre> Well yeah but using /dev/mem is also not generally a good idea
[14:30] <gordonDrogon> it can use /sys/class/gpio/* but it's rather slow.
[14:30] <Tachyon`> haha
[14:30] <Tachyon`> understatement of the year
[14:31] <dreamon> Triffid_Hunter, Thats not the problem to store data. the problem is only so send a signal as root.
[14:31] <Triffid_Hunter> dreamon: can you start it up then drop privs?
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[14:31] <gordonDrogon> dreamon, make your CGI program set-uid root, then you can make it drop root priviliedges when you need to write files.
[14:32] <dreamon> Triffid_Hunter, I never tried..
[14:32] <Grievre> could you not also just make the program that does wiringpi stuff drop root after setting up the wiring stuff?
[14:33] <gordonDrogon> Grievre, wiringPi is a library - it would be up to the calling program to do that.
[14:33] <dreamon> gordonDrogon, I dont want to write a file. Only send a simple signal flag like -> pkill -USR1 -x heizpi -> That works fine (if I start as root) but from php thats a problem because of lower rights.
[14:34] <gordonDrogon> dreamon, so make the CGI program setuid root.
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[14:34] <Grievre> gordonDrogon: Er, yeah, that's what I meant?
[14:34] <gordonDrogon> or arrange some other communication mechanis, - e.g. a socket/pipe, etc.
[14:34] <Triffid_Hunter> dreamon: ooh I know, you want a setsid binary that sends the signal for you
[14:35] <gordonDrogon> anyway, mug of tea time now I think.
[14:35] <Triffid_Hunter> dreamon: so make a simple C prog that sends your signal, then compile and chmod u+s the binary.. not sure if setsid works with bash scripts, experimentation required
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[14:36] <dreamon> Triffid_Hunter, Yes. I did it in a loop looking for a file is created. That works. but I have to do this to often.. so thought a signal and read is much more better
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[14:37] <Triffid_Hunter> dreamon: you're polling file creation? use dnotify or similar
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[14:39] <dreamon> Triffid_Hunter, gordonDrogon Thanks.. for your Input!
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[14:40] <Triffid_Hunter> dreamon: also look into privilege dropping
[14:40] <Triffid_Hunter> dreamon: it's pretty commonly done amongst daemons on linux, should be several tutorials in various languages
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[14:47] <drama247365> been googling but unable to come up with anything - am i able to use the dsi cable on the raspi to connect a smart card reader and read whats on the cards?
[14:47] <drama247365> and if so, would appreciate if someone could point me in the right direction
[14:47] <Triffid_Hunter> what's dsi cable?
[14:48] <drama247365> that little ribbon
[14:49] <drama247365> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=5439
[14:50] <drama247365> i just have a smart card reader i pulled from a tv, figured it might be fun to attach it to the pi if possible
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[14:53] <Tachyon`> hrm, is 60C too hot for the CPU?
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[14:54] <Triffid_Hunter> Tachyon`: nope it's fine
[14:55] <Tachyon`> at which point should I start to worry?
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[14:55] <Tachyon`> 66C now but I'm loading the CPU while overclocked to see exactly how warm it gets
[14:55] <Triffid_Hunter> Tachyon`: 85c is the built-in point where it scraps your overclocking settings
[14:56] <Tachyon`> oh, it does that automatically?
[14:56] <Tachyon`> that's a nice design feature
[14:56] <Triffid_Hunter> I've read that it does, haven't confirmed for myself just yet
[14:57] <Tachyon`> it doesn't seem to be getting any hotter than 66C, at 90% CPU load and 1024MHz overclock
[14:57] <Tachyon`> so I imagine I have nothing to worry about,lol
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[14:57] <Triffid_Hunter> Tachyon`: run some quake3 :)
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[14:58] <Tachyon`> lol, that's not somethign I usually do, could start a compile ro something, that's about the largest demand I ever make of it
[14:59] <Tachyon`> wonder why berryboot isn't being promoted on the raspberry pi site
[14:59] <Tachyon`> it's a vast improvement (multiboot, squashfs, unions with changes etc.)
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[15:04] <Triffid_Hunter> Tachyon`: yeah I compiled q3 on my pi the other day, only took an hour or so
[15:05] <Triffid_Hunter> get 20-30fps
[15:07] <Tachyon`> quicker than compiling wine, lol
[15:07] <Tachyon`> I remember back when I had my first linux machine only the kernel took longer to compile
[15:07] <Tachyon`> although it's all a lot quicker these days
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[15:08] <Tachyon`> also, with initrd I rarely have to rebuild a kernel -.o
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[15:16] <[deXter]> \o
[15:17] <IT_Sean> o/
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[15:25] * Mortvert drags IT_Sean back to the dungeon
[15:25] <Phosie> ...
[15:25] <IT_Sean> um... no.
[15:26] <Phosie> Bad time? heh
[15:27] <Mortvert> But there's a troll in the dungeon!
[15:27] <Phosie> That reminds me, I should play DF again.
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[15:30] <Phosie> pi@191..etc I see I'm not the only person who use pi for IRC
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[15:44] <esing> Do raspberry pi linux images in general create just a ~900mb partition and leave the rest unassigned on the sd card?
[15:44] <esing> +roo
[15:44] <esing> +root
[15:45] <gordonDrogon> it's closer to 2GB and yes, unless you resize the image it leaves the rest unused.
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[15:59] <Bushmills> esing: those images contain partitions. they are, by copying them to sd-card, replicated the same size as in the image
[16:00] <esing> gordonDrogon, Bushmills Thanks, makes sense now. So if I wanted to use the total space of my sd-card I'd need to ssh to my openelac system and resize it or create a home partition and adjust the fstab in the root partition
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[16:03] <gordonDrogon> esing, yes. easy to just run sudo raspi-config (or is it rasp-conf, I forget)
[16:03] <Bushmills> resizing involves two steps: tell partition table where partition actually ends, and tell filesystem, that it can grow
[16:03] <Phosie> It's raspi-config, but isn't that only with the Raspbian image?
[16:05] <Bushmills> a more pedestrian approach could be to change partition table with a tool like gparted, then grow partition with resize2fs
[16:06] <Bushmills> you may want to do that in a different computer
[16:07] <esing> Ye, that's how it is explained in post #8
[16:07] <esing> (since openelac doesn't seem to come with raspi-config)
[16:08] <esing> Ah, forget the link http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=29674&p=329499
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[16:09] <Bushmills> fragmenting the device with multiple partition (by adding another parttition) doesn't seem a good choice with small devices like sd-cards
[16:11] <Bushmills> you'll always have at least one of the conditions: partition too big, with unused space, or partition too small, while another still has plenty of space
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[16:11] <esing> Ye, so I'd use just resize2fs /dev/mmcblk0p1
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[16:26] <TheSnide> gordonDrogon: is the qemu a full arm7 or the arm6+ as the pi ?
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[16:27] <gordonDrogon> I'd have to dig-out the configs, but I'm fairly sure it was 6+
[16:29] <gordonDrogon> I appear to have deleted it.
[16:29] <Phosie> Heh
[16:29] <gordonDrogon> guess I found no real need once I had a real Pi..
[16:29] <gordonDrogon> I did a blog post on it - on my old blog which is now offline.
[16:29] <gordonDrogon> bother.
[16:29] <TheSnide> gordonDrogon: meh
[16:29] <gordonDrogon> indeed.
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[16:37] <TheSnide> gordonDrogon: does qemu works the same as the rpi when booting ?
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[16:37] <TheSnide> gordonDrogon: aka, can i use the qemu to simulate the early stages of boot process, such as initrd ?
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[16:39] <ShiftPlusOne> TheSnide, what do you need it for?
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[16:39] <TheSnide> i'd like to have a sortof "livesd"
[16:39] <ShiftPlusOne> qemu runs the kernel, so anything the kernel does is done within qemu... that includes initrd stuff
[16:40] <ShiftPlusOne> and yes, qemu can do armv6 or armv7... you can specify the exact cpu.
[16:40] <TheSnide> ShiftPlusOne: i didnt manage to make an initrd boot yet. but i'm nooby on that part
[16:42] <ShiftPlusOne> Let me know if you have any questions. I've spent more time messing around with qemu, booting rpi images and making my own than I would've liked.
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[16:52] <nerdboy> moin
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[16:58] <angasule> I must have a case of the Sundays, I can't find how to ssh into a raspberry pi and play video out the NTSC ouput (I don't have a USB keyboard, so I have to use it through ssh)
[16:59] <comradekingu> angasule: ssh -x is handy
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[17:01] <nerdboy> ssh [-X|-Y]
[17:03] <nerdboy> SD video out should Just Work, but you probably need to set an amixer switch to get audio
[17:03] <Phosie> I never managed to get -x to work
[17:04] <Phosie> I have a VNC set up though so I'm not really fussed
[17:04] <nerdboy> the default setting is "auto" which doesn't work for me at all
[17:04] <nerdboy> did you try -X ?
[17:05] <Phosie> I don't think so.
[17:05] <nerdboy> you also need X11 forwarding enabled in sshd_config
[17:06] <Phosie> That will be where I'm going wrong.
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[17:06] <nerdboy> "X11Forwarding yes" for openssh
[17:07] <nerdboy> similar for dropbear
[17:08] <Phosie> It's enabled, still doesn't work :P
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[17:08] <Phosie> It doesn't matter
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[17:09] <Bushmills> you may be confusing -X and -x
[17:10] <Grievre> which is understandable as either may be correct depending on which ssh client you're using
[17:10] <_Trullo> anything special I have to do so javascript will work?
[17:10] <Grievre> same with -p/-P
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[17:11] <Phosie> I've tried both.
[17:11] <Triffid_Hunter> I always use ssh -Y, saves mucking around with xauth/xhost nonsense
[17:11] <Triffid_Hunter> Phosie: ssh -Y you@otherhost, then echo $DISPLAY. if it gives a blank line, it's not being forwarded. check logs
[17:11] <Grievre> what I find interesting is that tunneling X11 through ssh is actually much faster than doing it the direct way (setting $DISPLAY to ip:port
[17:11] <Triffid_Hunter> Phosie: if it says something like :10.0 or localhost:10.0 you're good to go, start your X apps
[17:12] <Phosie> localhost:10.0
[17:12] <Triffid_Hunter> Phosie: xterm is generally a good one to start with
[17:12] <Phosie> omg it works!
[17:12] <Phosie> Thank you thank you thank you
[17:12] <Triffid_Hunter> -Y makes things _sooo_ much easier ;)
[17:14] <Phosie> I'll be using that more often. Thanks again.
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[17:19] <nerdboy> looks like all of the audio stuff got into the image
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[17:19] <nerdboy> time to boot it up...
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[17:23] <Phosie> That sucked
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[17:44] <angasule> hey, sorry, I had to walk away from the computer in a rush, thanks for the help, I'll try to use the X11 method, I was just wondering if there was a way to use vlc or mplayer directly
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[17:48] <angasule> I'm not sure the X11 method will work, actually
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[17:49] <angasule> I don't want to display on my computer, I want the TV to be the display
[17:50] <Phosie> I use x11vnc for that
[17:52] <angasule> yeap
[17:53] <angasule> shoot, my repo mirror is down, apparently
[17:54] <ShiftPlusOne> angasule, mplayer and vlc will work terribly
[17:54] <TheSnide> ShiftPlusOne: oh, that's good for me :)
[17:54] <ShiftPlusOne> you want omxplayer
[17:54] <angasule> ShiftPlusOne: thanks
[17:54] <ShiftPlusOne> angasule, omxplayer will display directly on tv, without vnc.
[17:54] <angasule> oh, nice
[17:55] <nerdboy> well, that's annoying
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[17:55] <nerdboy> fresh build only has analog audio but not hdmi
[17:55] <angasule> hmm, I may trouble controlling the video player, now that I think about it
[17:55] <nerdboy> but both work fine on the card i configured by hand
[17:56] <Phosie> I prefer raspbmc for playing video, but it's a pain switching cards
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[17:57] <angasule> switching cards?
[17:57] <Phosie> I have raspbian on one card, raspbmc on another
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[17:58] <vergil> Hey - long shot on this one. I'm having problems with the armf version of scummvm for ubuntu 12.04.2 seg faulting on startup. I'm not on pi, but was wondering if pi folks had experienced the same
[17:58] <vergil> same results if I compile my own, so I'm just trying to rule out the platform
[17:58] <ShiftPlusOne> ubuntu?
[17:58] <ShiftPlusOne> ah "not on pi", nvrm
[17:58] <Phosie> #ubuntu might be more help
[17:59] <vergil> It's not strictly an ubuntu problem. No issue on other chipsets with the distro
[17:59] <Grievre> I would debug it myself were I in your situation
[17:59] <vergil> I've narrowed it down to my arm board, and was just wondering if any pi folks had a segfault at start as well.
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[17:59] <Grievre> so I don't know what other choices you have
[17:59] <pellis> hello
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[18:00] <Phosie> Hello pellis
[18:00] <pellis> whats a good way to automate downloads for TV and movies via torrents? i have transmission running but avoiding the manual step of looking through what to download and when is a new episode would be a big win
[18:00] <vergil> Right, before I dug in too deep I wanted to see if it was an arm thing. I've seen talk on pi lists with scummvm seg'ing for no reason
[18:00] <vergil> but it was for an older version
[18:01] <Grievre> do you have a backtrace?
[18:01] <Grievre> vergil: Have you tried #scummvm?
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[18:02] <vergil> Not yet - because basically, I was just wanting to see if a similar platform had the same issue, which would give me something to justify fixing it
[18:02] <Grievre> why is this not already something to justify fixing it?
[18:02] <vergil> at the point I've put several hours into it, if it works on Pi, it's more worthwhile to say screw it and dump the pandaboard :)
[18:03] <Grievre> oh pandaboard um
[18:03] * Grievre shrugs?
[18:03] <Grievre> why don't we do a backtrace and I'll try to see if I can figure it out? I'm good at these things
[18:03] <vergil> Like the memory. Love the wifi. Hate the fact that people seemed to stop caring about it about a year ago.
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[18:06] <vergil> Ugh, it's a pulseaudio problem.
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[18:07] <vergil> It's trying to grab shared memory - guessing it's probably trying to use a buffer size > what's there
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[18:07] <Grievre> vergil: specifically?
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[18:08] <Grievre> vergil: do you have a file & line #?
[18:08] <vergil> kind of a pain to paste it or pasteboard it but it's enough for me to dig in.
[18:08] <Grievre> how is it a pain to pastebin it
[18:09] <vergil> because every time I mention something I seem to have to justify it here.
[18:09] <Grievre> o.o
[18:10] <vergil> I've got enough to work with, and since nobody really answered the question "has it worked on pi" I got what I needed.
[18:10] <vergil> Thanks :)
[18:10] <Grievre> see now I really want to know what the problem is
[18:10] <Grievre> :<
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[18:11] <vergil> I do appreciate your help, but for "wanting to play scummvm games on my tv" this is > work than a quick weekend project will allow. Other stuff to do.
[18:11] <Grievre> k
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[18:25] <angasule> omxplayer is great, but I'm having trouble with audio, not sure if it's omxplayer or just raspberry pi, the output is really low, and it seems to be mono
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[18:26] <sandman> angasule: Are you using omxplayer -o hdmi?
[18:26] <sandman> Actually I presume you must, if you're getting audio...
[18:26] <angasule> sandman: no, I'm using the NTSC output
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[18:27] <Phosie> The only thing that would have made that meal better would be a raspberry pie
[18:27] <sandman> omxplayer --boost-on-downmix
[18:27] <sandman> You could try that?
[18:27] <angasule> it works fine with another set of speakers, just not with the tv, hmm
[18:28] <sandman> I sort of wish there was a way to normalize audio, sort of like Windows 7 has.
[18:28] <sandman> Would save a lot of headaches.
[18:28] <angasule> no such option
[18:28] <sandman> You'd think it would with pulse.
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[18:33] <angasule> it could be a problem with the audio socket
[18:34] <angasule> or the tv input
[18:35] <angasule> anyway, if I set the tv volume very high it's fine, I just have to remember to lower it before switching to another input or I'll wake the entire town :)
[18:37] <Phosie> I've done that before, nearly gave myself a heart attack
[18:37] <Triffid_Hunter> sandman: I'm sure there's a normalising filter for pulse or alsa around somewhere
[18:37] <Triffid_Hunter> normalising is great for movies, sucks for music
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[18:41] <Bushmills> mpd has normalization option
[18:42] <Bushmills> audio player, not video
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[18:47] <sandman> Does anyone else find that, despite having ample power (2.1A power supply), overclocking still introduces stability issues?
[18:47] <Triffid_Hunter> sandman: yeah it will of course. you need more volts in the core to drive the transistors faster, and the SD card can only talk so fast
[18:47] <Bushmills> mine doesn't reliably obtain an ip address from dhcp server with 1000 MHz
[18:51] <gordonDrogon> sandman, my Pi's seemed OK with static overclocking, but when I moved to the new "turbo" dynamic mode, they becaome unstable. I haven't used OC for over 6 months now.
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[19:02] <sandman> Triffid_Hunter: Well, you'd think it would use timers of some sort to govern the flow of data.
[19:02] <Triffid_Hunter> sandman: there's a few different clocking domains, not sure if the SD has its own
[19:02] <sandman> Mostly it was SD card corruption I found. But in any case, I don't really need it.
[19:11] <nerdboy> alright, one more image rebuild and at least i have working analog audio, which is what i wanted for the car anyway...
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[19:23] <angasule> does omxplayer support .sub subtitles? I can't make it play them, if I just tell it to play the .sub file it finds the subtitles, but then it has no movie, so it's not all that useful :P
[19:24] <Triffid_Hunter> angasule: dunno about sub, but it works with srt and embedded subs for me
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[19:44] <Conlectus> Hi. I was wondering if I could use vnc to view the desktop, but still use usb keyboard / mouse for the raspberry pi.
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[20:30] <steve_rox2> has anyone ever changed or upgraded their sd card reader on the rpi?
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[20:35] <steve_rox> with a loose sd card reader you only have to sneeze and the pi is corrupted
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[20:36] <Triffid_Hunter> steve_rox: nope but I have all the equipment to change over the socket if necessary
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[20:36] <steve_rox> id like to have one them double clicky style ones
[20:37] <steve_rox> i have a dead laptop motherboard with one on i was thinking maybe of trying to use it
[20:38] <Triffid_Hunter> sure, if all the pins are in the right spot (or close enough) go for it
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[20:38] <steve_rox> probly be tricky
[20:38] <steve_rox> if i order a new rpi i may try it then
[20:38] <steve_rox> this is a rev1 board so somewhat old
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[20:58] <ozzzy> looking at the schematic... I should be able to just not mess with those microB usb plugs and just bring 5V into pin headers
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[20:58] <Bushmills> that's right, by looking at the schematics one won't mess
[20:59] <IT_Sean> That is correct. YOu can power the Pi via the 5v and GND pins on the GPIO header. THis configuration is not recommended, however.
[20:59] <Bushmills> only once one grabs a soldering iron, the mess begins
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[21:03] <TheSnide> IT_Sean: as, the gpio 5v is directly connected to the microUSB 5v ?
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[21:03] <IT_Sean> TheSnide: basically, yes.
[21:03] <TheSnide> IT_Sean: interesting.
[21:04] <TheSnide> so, you can also _draw_ power from the gpio ?
[21:05] * TheSnide thinks about cascading RPis.
[21:05] <Triffid_Hunter> TheSnide: http://triffid-hunter.no-ip.info/101_0059.JPG / http://triffid-hunter.no-ip.info/101_0120.JPG
[21:05] <IT_Sean> Yes, you can use the 5v pin to power another 5v device, provided you are supplying 5v via the microUSB power input.
[21:06] <TheSnide> Triffid_Hunter: ha, what's the use ?
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[21:07] <Triffid_Hunter> TheSnide: can hotplug usb stuff all day and it doesn't freak out
[21:07] <TheSnide> Triffid_Hunter: freak out ?
[21:07] <Banish> hey IT_Sean my pi is working fine now with a good power supply :)
[21:08] <Triffid_Hunter> TheSnide: the rpi has a poor power setup. if you hotplug things that take even a medium amount of current, it'll lock up or reset
[21:08] <TheSnide> Triffid_Hunter: oh. i'm using an AC usb, that powers the RPi, and serves as well .. and usb hub for the Pi :)
[21:09] <TheSnide> in a sortof usb loopback :)
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[21:10] <TheSnide> interstingly, i can read the drawed power from the pi on the usb hub.
[21:10] <TheSnide> (but i doubt the figures are accurate, as they dont fluctuate)
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[21:26] <KuduIO> Do Pis support UHS SD card speeds?
[21:27] <Bushmills> benchmarks seem to indicate that i/o speed is capped at around 20 MiB/sec
[21:29] <KuduIO> ok thanks
[21:29] <KuduIO> does SD card performance mattermuch though?
[21:30] <Bushmills> depends
[21:31] <KuduIO> on what?
[21:31] <KuduIO> for general use, I mean
[21:31] <Bushmills> depends on usage pattern
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[21:31] <Bushmills> no idea what "general usage" means
[21:31] <KuduIO> using Raspbmc for example
[21:32] <Bushmills> not so much, no. streaming a movie or some music tracks works with slower medium too
[21:32] <Simon-> iirc they only support running at 3.3V
[21:32] <Simon-> and the higher speeds use lower voltages
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[21:47] <ozzzy> well... damned if I can get ser2net working with ANY usb-serial adaptor
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[22:21] <g2nightmare> anyone here know how to set up an SMTP server on their pi?
[22:23] <SpeedEvil> install sendmail, via /etc/sendmail.cf
[22:23] <SpeedEvil> job done
[22:23] <pksato> sendmail, exim, postfix, etc...
[22:24] <ozzzy> I preferred postfix to sendmail
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[22:25] <Bushmills> g2nightmare: install, configure, test
[22:25] <g2nightmare> well i want to send emails from my own domain name or a unique one
[22:25] <g2nightmare> instead of like gmail
[22:25] <g2nightmare> all of the examples i found had gmail :|
[22:27] <Bushmills> there exist interactive smtp server configuration frontends, called "text editors"
[22:27] <g2nightmare> ?
[22:27] <Bushmills> and i'd go along with ozzzy, preferring postfix over sendmail
[22:28] <pksato> and have the zimbra.
[22:28] <g2nightmare> will i need a web server too?
[22:28] <Bushmills> no
[22:29] <ozzzy> just a text editor
[22:29] <Bushmills> what one really needs is air, water, food, shelter, protective clothing, basic hygiene and social interaction
[22:29] <Armand> All you need is love...
[22:29] <Armand> *fnaar*
[22:29] <g2nightmare> i mean if you're just trying to be sarcastic
[22:29] <pksato> g2nightmare: justs install any smtp daemon, and point dns mx to you new server ip.
[22:29] <g2nightmare> i really just want to set up a webserver and be able to send emails from it without having my ip address shown
[22:30] <Bushmills> why do you want to set up a webserver if you don't need one?
[22:31] <g2nightmare> i want to host a personal website
[22:31] <IT_Sean> you want to send mail without your IP being shown? Are you a spammer?
[22:31] <g2nightmare> no i literally just bought my first pi and i want to be able to have family emails and have my resume on a website
[22:31] <g2nightmare> but to my knowledge
[22:31] <g2nightmare> my ip address will be shown
[22:31] <g2nightmare> since i don't have a dns
[22:31] <IT_Sean> do you want to receive mail on the Pi?
[22:32] <Bushmills> do you have a static ip address?
[22:32] <IT_Sean> YOu'll need a static IP, and DNS records, if so.
[22:32] <g2nightmare> my ip is relatively static? i guess it changes month to month i would assume
[22:32] <Bushmills> may not be good enough
[22:32] <g2nightmare> i'm familiar with getting a dyndns account at the very least
[22:33] <Bushmills> many servers refuse mail coming from non-static addresses
[22:33] <Vlad> more to the point, many servers refuse mail coming from residential ranges
[22:33] <Armand> I would say you're better off renting a small hosting package, but then.. I'm biased, I work for a webhosting provider. ;)
[22:33] <Vlad> and your ISP might even block incoming port 25
[22:33] <IT_Sean> ur gonna need a proper static IP.
[22:33] <g2nightmare> and i do that by contacting my host?
[22:34] <pksato> most ISP now block port 25 to reduce spam.
[22:34] <Bushmills> rent a dedicated server, or even a virtual server
[22:34] <IT_Sean> YOu will likely need to upgrade to a business account.
[22:34] <IT_Sean> as opposed to a residential account.
[22:34] <ozzzy> dyndns.org gives good service
[22:35] <pksato> or, rent a low cost VPS.
[22:35] <Bushmills> or put your raspberry at a colocation site
[22:35] <ozzzy> now that would be a neat picture... a shelf at a colo with a pi sitting on it
[22:36] <ozzzy> wonder how much they'd charge you
[22:36] <Bushmills> that's reality.
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[22:36] <IT_Sean> THere are several raspi colo options out there.
[22:36] <Bushmills> there's a dutch company offering to colo raspberries for free
[22:36] <ozzzy> wow
[22:36] <IT_Sean> Bushmills is correct. YOu send them your raspi, they provide the IP, power, and bandwidth.
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[22:38] <MarquessDeBonBon> Are you in IT, IT_Sean?
[22:38] <IT_Sean> MarquessDeBonBon: what do you think?
[22:38] <MarquessDeBonBon> I have no idea.
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[22:38] <IT_Sean> Have a guess.
[22:38] <Bushmills> he may mean "italy" :D
[22:38] * IT_Sean thumps Bushmills
[22:38] <MarquessDeBonBon> "T_Sean is ~user@applefritter/IRCStaff/UltimateMacUser1"
[22:38] <IT_Sean> I'm not italian.
[22:39] <MarquessDeBonBon> Mac user? Not in IT, then.
[22:39] * MarquessDeBonBon runs
[22:39] <g2nightmare> well i definitely don't want to get a static ip
[22:39] <g2nightmare> too expensive haha
[22:39] * ozzzy just built a pi power cord to connect to his tri-power box
[22:39] <g2nightmare> maybe this is a bad first project.
[22:39] <IT_Sean> MarquessDeBonBon: don't be ignorant.
[22:39] <MarquessDeBonBon> You get free static IPs with a business line.
[22:42] <g2nightmare> so what do you recommend for handling dynamic dns?
[22:42] <Bushmills> bind + nsupdate
[22:42] <g2nightmare> elaborate? i'm 5 years old in the IT world
[22:43] <Bushmills> or a VPN
[22:43] <Bushmills> or both :)
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[22:46] <g2nightmare> that doesn't really help
[22:46] <g2nightmare> because i don't understand what i'm doing
[22:47] <Bushmills> nevertheless is that what i recommend
[22:47] <Bushmills> i can hardly make my recommendations depending on your level of understanding, can't I?
[22:47] <g2nightmare> so if i buy a domain name at godaddy
[22:47] <g2nightmare> can i host it at home
[22:48] <Bushmills> you want a static ip address for the nameservers
[22:48] <g2nightmare> i don
[22:48] <g2nightmare> i don't want to buy a business package with comcast.
[22:48] <IT_Sean> you will need to A) register your domain name, AND B) get a static IP
[22:48] <Bushmills> then you can't really host it at home
[22:48] <g2nightmare> if it changes, can't i update the ip address?
[22:49] <g2nightmare> it's not like 1 day of downtime would be huge for me.
[22:49] <IT_Sean> If you want to host it at home, you need the static IP.
[22:49] <g2nightmare> surely it shouldn't be a requirement to have a static ip.
[22:49] <g2nightmare> i can change the settings when it changes, can't i?
[22:49] <IT_Sean> If you want to receive mail to that server, you need the static IP.
[22:50] <IT_Sean> if the IP changes, incoming mail may bounce as non deliverable.
[22:50] <pksato> or, use a now super expensive domain service of gmail.
[22:50] <ozzzy> I ran a mailserver using dyndns' service and their IP updater
[22:50] <Bushmills> if you want to reliably send mail from that server, you'd need a static address as well
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[22:50] <g2nightmare> ozzzy how much was that a month and how was it?
[22:50] <Bushmills> and running nameserver from non-static addresses is messy
[22:50] <ozzzy> it's free
[22:50] <ozzzy> it worked
[22:50] <g2nightmare> perfect
[22:51] <g2nightmare> you're speaking my language
[22:51] <ozzzy> but... you still need an ISP that doesn't block port 25
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[22:51] <g2nightmare> hmm ok
[22:51] <pksato> most dynamic ip are blacklisted on anti-spam services.
[22:51] <g2nightmare> i wonder if comcast does.
[22:51] <g2nightmare> http://customer.comcast.com/help-and-support/internet/list-of-blocked-ports/
[22:51] <g2nightmare> they say to use 465
[22:52] <ozzzy> that's for their mail server
[22:52] <g2nightmare> so i won't be able to do it? even if i do 465?
[22:53] <ozzzy> perhaps
[22:53] <Bushmills> you wanted to run your own mailserver, not use theirs.
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[22:53] <pksato> 465 is a client to server connection port, to oulook send email.
[22:53] <Bushmills> how does it help to connect to theirs through tcp/465?
[22:54] <g2nightmare> maybe i should just do the webserver idea.
[22:55] <Alfihar_> it might be easier to look around when you are buying your domain, as some sellers provide free email services
[22:55] <pksato> some isp have a email relay service.
[22:55] <g2nightmare> i already bought a domain and hosting, but i figure this would be a fun project and i can get around that
[22:55] <ozzzy> I'm about to give up on the serial port thing
[22:56] <Alfihar_> yeah I've been thinking of setting up an email server on my RPi though never got round to it, I think my ISP's a bit friendlier for this kind of thing though
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[22:57] <g2nightmare> http://m.wikihow.com/Make-a-Raspberry-Pi-Web-Server
[22:57] <g2nightmare> so i'm gonna follow this
[22:57] <g2nightmare> then can anyone point me to a resource that i can use to get a .com to it?
[22:58] <ParkerR> Any DNS service
[22:58] <g2nightmare> i would assume to use the dyndns but i have a .com purchased at godaddy i should be able to point their dns to my ip right?
[22:58] <ParkerR> DynDNS, FreeDNS
[22:58] <ozzzy> dyndns.org
[22:58] <g2nightmare> right, so i have to transfer my domain or change it at godaddy?
[22:58] <g2nightmare> or either
[22:58] <ozzzy> as I said... they're free and provide a daemon that automagically adapts to a dynamic dns
[22:58] <ozzzy> you don't need godaddy
[22:58] <pksato> http://www.noip.com/services/managed_mail/inbound_port_25_unblock.html
[22:59] <g2nightmare> yeah but is it a .com or somecrap.morecrap.mysite.com
[22:59] <ParkerR> g2nightmare: Yeah you could just change the IP at godaddy
[22:59] <Bushmills> hurricane electric offers slave servers without payment
[22:59] <g2nightmare> hmm ok
[22:59] <ozzzy> mine is ozzzy.dyndns.org
[23:00] <g2nightmare> yeah i didn't want to be a subdomain
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[23:00] <Bushmills> problem with own domain and service like dyndns is that you'd have to CNAME a host in your domain
[23:00] <ozzzy> picky aren't you
[23:00] <Bushmills> CNAMEing zone apex violates RFCs
[23:00] <ozzzy> you want it all and you want it free
[23:00] <g2nightmare> well because i already have my website out in the public and on business cards
[23:01] <g2nightmare> it would kind of suck if i had to change my domain name, no?
[23:01] <g2nightmare> and no that's not true.
[23:01] <Bushmills> that's what you can do with using free slave nameservers
[23:01] <g2nightmare> i pay for my hosting and i pay for my domain.
[23:01] <g2nightmare> maybe i just wanted a cheapter alternative.
[23:01] <g2nightmare> and maybe i just wanted a project to do.
[23:01] <Armand> We supply the e-mail service with the hosting package, which should really be standard
[23:02] <Armand> *standard for all hosting providers..
[23:02] <ozzzy> I think we're with godaddy... can't remember
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[23:13] <hot2trot> can anyone tell me how omplayer works? I play a video with it and it has no sounds, I can't control it, and I can't even quit it, and it overlays over everything
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[23:16] <chod> hot2trot: yes it does that
[23:16] <chod> hot2trot: u have a hdmi monitor with audio ?
[23:17] <hot2trot> chod: actually, I have it going to DVI and trying to use bluetooth for the sound
[23:17] <hot2trot> chod: and through a long heated battle last night, I got bluetooth to conect to my bluetooth speakers
[23:17] <chod> the -o hdmi (audio hdmi out)
[23:18] <chod> good to hear sucess
[23:18] <hot2trot> chod: what if I don't want audio to go through hdmi out?
[23:18] <chod> i guess you found the -o then, what else was needed out of curosity
[23:18] <chod> there are other switches
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[23:19] <chod> -o device
[23:19] <chod> --help says e.g. hdmi/local
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[23:24] <ladoga> g2nightmare: openwrt has quite nice dynamic dns support in it's luci web config interface
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[23:26] <ladoga> g2nightmare: i'm using dy.fi as my ddns provider. it's free but only for finnish users. once set up you can forget about it
[23:26] <hot2trot> well -o local -o hdmi didn't work, but i'm gona read the help
[23:26] <g2nightmare> ladoga hold on a min
[23:27] <sandman> Is it true that heat isn't the true killer of hardware; it's overvoltage? That is, if a chip runs hot, it may reduce the lifespan... but voltage is what _really_ lowers the lifespan?
[23:29] <Bushmills> well, so do bulldozers
[23:30] <sandman> That doesn't help me, really =) But thank you for that astute observation.
[23:31] <Bushmills> heat help diffusing metal ions into the semiconductor substrate, reducing the special properties of the substrate. that'S a slow death.
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[23:31] <Schalla> Evening
[23:31] <Bushmills> overvoltage cause multiple factors. whereof additional heat can be one.
[23:33] <Bushmills> there's another potential killer: thermal variation
[23:33] <Schalla> What's the topic?
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[23:33] <sandman> What's a more sensitive issue for hardware, voltage or heat?
[23:33] <Bushmills> that adds a mechanical stress component to the devices' degradation
[23:34] <Schalla> I guess voltage rather then heat. Because voltage always results also in heat it might be worse then only heat.
[23:35] <Schalla> Also the most chips are fine with 80??C+
[23:35] <sandman> Yeah, that's what I was thinking.
[23:35] <sandman> Thirdly, it seems to me the Turbo mode is the most damaging, as it introduces the thermal variation Bushmills was talking about, increased voltage, and of course increased heat.
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[23:36] <Schalla> What is thermal variation? That the temperature changes extremely depending on the last?
[23:36] <sandman> The variation also seems to result in SD card corruption. The reason for this exactly I don't know, since it's not like it's writing corrupted data to the SD card as a result of misprocessed stuff sitting in a buffer or something.
[23:36] <sandman> Seems to be some sort of very sensitive timing issue with the SD card hardware or driver or something
[23:36] <Schalla> Weird.
[23:36] <sandman> Schalla: I think so. Getting very hot, then cool, then hot, then cool
[23:36] <Schalla> Format doesn't help?
[23:37] <sandman> Sure. Re-imaging the SD card fixes it. Then it'll get corrupted again with the Turbo OC, eventually
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[23:37] <sandman> Always at different times and in different ways, which leads me to believe it's not software but hardware-related
[23:37] <sandman> Of course.
[23:37] <Schalla> I think yu mean rather software related and not hardware
[23:38] <hot2trot> can anyone help me get omxplayer to play through paired bluetoothh speakers? I tried omxplayer -o hdmi file.avi and omxplayer -o local file.avi to no avail and there is no man for omxplayer and omxplayer --help gives me nothing
[23:38] <Schalla> because if it would be a hardware problem of the SD card, you couldn't simply reimaging it
[23:38] <Schalla> Uhm, sorry no expierence with omxpalyer
[23:39] <Schalla> I had a idea for a fun-project for the Pi, but not sure if this already exists.
[23:39] <Schalla> Is there a 3D-Model of the Pi?
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[23:40] <sandman> hot2trot: Well, -o hdmi will make it output audio to HDMI.
[23:40] <hot2trot> sandman: yea, I'm really trying to figure out witch device (ie local, hdmi) the bluetooth is called
[23:41] <hot2trot> i ahd to get pulseaudio to actually get the bluetooth to connect inthe first place
[23:41] <Bushmills> Schalla: probably. eagle for example has a 3d renderer, and there exist eagle files of raspberry
[23:41] <sandman> hot2trot: Well, perhaps if you just leave out the -o hdmi
[23:42] <hot2trot> sandman: tried that
[23:42] <Schalla> Bushmills: Thought about a HTMl5 Livemodel, maybe a integration of the status of the GPIO ports e.g.
[23:42] <sandman> Other than that, if it only works through Pulse, I'd figure you'd need to figure out a way to push the audio, likewise, to pulse.
[23:42] <Schalla> + display on the chips of the termperatur
[23:42] <Bushmills> http://www.raspberrypi.org has a forum thread about 3d
[23:42] <sandman> hot2trot: Are you able to get other sound files to play?
[23:42] <Schalla> You remember which area?
[23:42] <pksato> hot2trot: omxplayer only play audio trough SoC. Not extenal audio device, like bluetooth.
[23:42] <Bushmills> 3d models, not 3d graphics output :)
[23:43] <hot2trot> pksato: my tears are swelling up
[23:43] <Schalla> Creating a 3d model with html5 might be also hard.
[23:43] <Schalla> When you wanna turn it with the mouse, e.g.
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[23:43] <sandman> Well, what's bluetooth's audio device under /dev?
[23:44] <sandman> Or rather, the speaker's audio device.
[23:44] <hot2trot> sandman: dunno
[23:46] <sandman> Here
[23:46] <hot2trot> yes
[23:46] <sandman> pastebin your /dev directory please
[23:47] <sandman> Don't paste it in chat, just a pastebin link to it. Have you used it before?
[23:47] <sandman> pastebin, that is?
[23:47] <hot2trot> i think I can figure it out
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[23:48] <sandman> Yeah, just send me the link to the list of device nodes. basically, what I'd like to do is figure out what devnode it is, and see what happens if we 'echo "FSD(&^#*($&@(D&F^*(SDHFJKSDHFISD&FYS(DF" >/dev/bluetoothspeakers', basically.
[23:48] <Bushmills> bluetooth audio output solution are frequently pulseaudio based
[23:48] <hot2trot> it is pulseaudio based
[23:48] <Bushmills> supporting programs output to pulse through a lib
[23:48] <hot2trot> i just don't know how to make the raspberry pi use pulseaudio
[23:48] <sandman> If you hear some sort of scratching sound when you do that, then we could just figure out how to output the sound to a file, except redirect it to /dev/bluetoothdevice
[23:49] <sandman> Hrm. I see.
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[23:49] <Bushmills> hot2trot: you'd want to tell programs to use pulseaudio for output
[23:50] <hot2trot> Bushmills: how?
[23:50] <Bushmills> sometimes you put that into config files, sometimes you select from a menu
[23:50] <chod> loads of info to read through here hot2trot
[23:50] <chod> http://www.instructables.com/id/Turn-your-Raspberry-Pi-into-a-Portable-Bluetooth-A/#step1
[23:51] <chod> this may be bettter
[23:51] <chod> http://www.instructables.com/id/Bluetooth-Speakers-using-Raspberry-Pi/
[23:51] <sandman> Good call, chod.
[23:51] <sandman> I haven't read those, but instructables are generally good.
[23:51] <hot2trot> chod: this is, unfortunately as most of the search results show, how to make the raspberry pi the bluetooth dongle so to speak
[23:51] <hot2trot> both of those
[23:52] <chod> but it still goes through the audio setup for blue tooth
[23:53] <sandman> There should be a way of somehow creating a devnode for it.
[23:53] <sandman> And if so, then we can just use standard piping.
[23:54] <sandman> I generally shy away from anything which doesn't follow UNIX philosophy, because things become a headache. PulseAudio seems un-UNIX-ish, correct me if I'm wrong.
[23:54] <hot2trot> well, pulseaudio was the only way I could get the bluetooth actually paired with the speakers
[23:55] <Bushmills> t's origin was the enlightenment sound server which also became the gnome audio server
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[23:55] <sandman> Bushmills: I think I heard that before, yeah.
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[23:57] <Bushmills> there's some controverse about that point. some call it "replacement" while other say "forked" or at least "inspired"
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