#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2013-05-14

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[0:02] <Macer> oh
[0:02] <Macer> it's running lxde
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[0:06] <Macer> i knew this wm looked familiar heh
[0:06] <Macer> i should install one of the *box wm's on it :)
[0:06] <Macer> i had some pretty awesome blackbox configs in my P200 days :-/
[0:06] <Bushmills> xfce4 doesn't run that bad at all on raspberry
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[0:06] <Macer> i haven't tried. the wm isn't important .. i just need to get one last thing working
[0:06] <Macer> gscan2pdf - GUI to produce PDFs or DjVus from scanned documents
[0:06] <Macer> i didn't check the repos to see if it was there
[0:06] <Macer> hopefully it is.. if sane works i'm good :)
[0:06] <Macer> hm. no flashplayer plugin?
[0:06] <Macer> there is a kde metapkg... i bet that's awful heh
[0:06] <Bushmills> maybe you can convince adobe to port theirs?
[0:06] <Macer> i doubt it
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[0:06] <Bushmills> gnash is mediocre
[0:06] <Macer> didn't adobe get rid of all arm flash ?
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[0:06] <Bushmills> did they? flash isn't something i'm closely following
[0:06] <Macer> yeah pretty sure
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[0:06] <taza> Adobe is trying to kill Flash
[0:06] <Macer> they trashed any more arm releases of flash from what i remember
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[0:07] <Macer> taza: they are also going to charge subscriptions for CS
[0:07] <Macer> they're going to be bankrupt in 2 years lol
[0:07] <taza> Like, seriously. Adobe's no longer interested in supporting Flash, they want people to move to Air
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[0:07] <taza> Flash ain't a major income source anymore
[0:07] <Macer> really? i figured a lot of porn sites still used flash for serving
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[0:07] <taza> Nah, html5
[0:08] <Macer> really? porn sites? html5?
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[0:08] <taza> Plus, they don't get their money from that, they get their money from selling Flash tools
[0:08] <Macer> no wonder there is such a huge push to makek sure everything swaps over heh
[0:08] <Macer> yeah
[0:08] <taza> Every video site's moving to html5
[0:08] <Macer> that's why i'm asking :)
[0:08] <Macer> flash wasn't really intended for video streaming anyways
[0:08] <taza> Articles do list porn sites alongside things like Blip and YouTube
[0:08] <Macer> it was meant for interactive sites
[0:08] <Macer> well.. youtube is a given
[0:09] <Macer> since it was google pushing it the hardest
[0:09] <Macer> and apple lol
[0:09] <Macer> once steve said "no flash on iphones ever!"
[0:09] <Macer> people started to move over
[0:09] <[deXter]> At least that's one good thing that's come out of Apple.
[0:10] <Macer> lol. yeah
[0:10] <Macer> good thing silverlight never took off :-P
[0:10] <[deXter]> Was there any doubts in that? :P
[0:10] <[deXter]> The only entity really using silverlight is Netflix
[0:10] <[deXter]> But they're looking to move to HTML5 as well
[0:10] <Macer> oh wow really?
[0:10] <Macer> i didn't know that.. didn't think anybody used it
[0:10] <Macer> figured netflix used flash
[0:11] <chithead> they are already using html5 for chromeos
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[0:11] <[deXter]> yep
[0:11] <[deXter]> but with the DRM extensions for HTML5 now approved, Netflix is ready to make the switch completely.
[0:12] <johnc-> DRM :(
[0:12] <[deXter]> Yeah, but it's the lesser of the two evils.
[0:12] <Macer> drm is something to feel happy about
[0:12] <Macer> it really has 0 impact
[0:14] <johnc-> well in terms of the HTML5 spec it means the solution to getting rid of plugins like silverlight and flash is to create new, possibly site-specific plugins to handle DRM
[0:14] <johnc-> so it has some impact
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[0:39] <Macer> wow
[0:39] <Macer> these repos are incredibly robust
[0:39] <Macer> i can find nearly everything i can find on an x86 heh
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[0:41] <DrSlony> Hey! A friend is looking for a cheap Linux system so that he can run valgrind on our photography program, RawTherapee. I figure you can't get cheaper than Raspberry Pi. My question is how would compiling software on this hardware differ from compiling it on a normal PC, are there any differences?
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[0:43] <BurtyB> DrSlony, virtual machine is probably cheaper and the same arch
[0:46] <SpeedEvil> valgrind is also slow. iirc and uses lots of memory
[0:46] <SpeedEvil> not a good plan
[0:48] <DrSlony> i also see that it runs on ARM, and our program has not been tested on that at all, so its a bad option
[0:48] <DrSlony> thanks for the reply :]
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[1:01] <NullMoogleCable> so im trying to figure out a easy way to stack 3 pis together and power them all from one 2amp 5v wall plug with power switches for them all
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[1:08] <ozzzy> that's easy enough
[1:08] <ozzzy> but 2A is barely enough for 3
[1:09] <sandman> I thought it was 700mA each
[1:09] <sandman> Which means 2.1A would be the minimum for 3.
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[1:09] <ozzzy> yep
[1:10] <ozzzy> if you give 500m
[1:10] <ozzzy> a to a usb port...
[1:10] <ozzzy> anyway... according to their minima.... you're .1A below spec
[1:10] <ozzzy> [shrug]
[1:10] <NullMoogleCable> not planning on using usb
[1:11] <NullMoogleCable> headless ethernet setup
[1:11] <sandman> I read it was possible to power through ethernet, but it's far from intuitive.
[1:11] <sandman> Oh,
[1:11] <sandman> But usb is used for power on the RPi?
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[1:12] <ozzzy> yeah... a micro usb b brings power in... it's not connected to the pi's usb bux
[1:12] <ozzzy> er... bus
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[1:12] <ozzzy> it's just a connector
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[1:45] <n3hxs> alktome
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[1:56] <harris> can someone help me
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[1:57] <Phosie> o/
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[1:57] <ozzzy> harris: got a question?
[1:58] <harris> i have a very old logitech webcam
[1:58] <ozzzy> are there linux drivers?
[1:58] <harris> model # V-UAP42
[1:58] <harris> how can i make it work
[1:58] <ozzzy> does it have linux drivers
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[1:59] <harris> idk
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[2:00] <harris> ozzzy, does it
[2:01] <ozzzy> it's your camera...
[2:01] <ozzzy> have you checked
[2:01] <harris> i cant find it
[2:01] <ozzzy> I don't see any linux support
[2:02] * KiltedPi (Nbane@host-78-151-126-203.as13285.net) has joined #raspberrypi
[2:02] <KiltedPi> So whats the latests news in raspberry world?
[2:02] <KiltedPi> I've been busy the last month
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[2:02] <KiltedPi> Not even checked the website
[2:03] <harris> not much my man
[2:03] <harris> will windows driver work
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[2:05] <ozzzy> harris: no
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[2:05] <harris> ok
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[2:08] <ozzzy> plug it in and type 'sudo lsusb'
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[2:11] <harris> what program does it use
[2:11] <harris> ok i typed it
[2:11] <ozzzy> ok... look through the list to see if your pi sees the camera
[2:12] <harris> it does
[2:12] <ozzzy> ok... that's a start
[2:12] <ozzzy> you now know that the camera's usb interface is working
[2:12] <harris> ok good
[2:12] <ozzzy> now... sudo lsmod
[2:12] <harris> ok
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[2:13] <harris> what am i looking for
[2:13] <ozzzy> look for pwc or uvcvideo
[2:13] <harris> no videodev
[2:14] <harris> videodev does show up though
[2:14] <ozzzy> then linux can't find a usable driver.... now, from what I've read the quickcams, the ones that work, will use either the pwc or uvcvideo drivers
[2:14] <ozzzy> if they're not loaded you can TRY to manually load them
[2:15] <ozzzy> of course... if the model you have doesn't use either... then it won't work anyway
[2:16] <harris> ok lets load them
[2:16] <ozzzy> sudo modprobe pwc
[2:16] <harris> if it works it works
[2:16] <harris> done
[2:16] <ozzzy> now sudo lsmod
[2:16] <ozzzy> see if the module actually loaded
[2:16] <harris> i did it showed up
[2:17] <ozzzy> next step... fire up skype (or something) and see if the camera shows up
[2:17] <harris> i want to use google plus
[2:17] <ozzzy> so use it then
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[2:18] <Tachyon`> vlc will I think let you connect to a local camera
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[2:22] <harris> ok google plus is firing up
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[2:24] <harris> ozzzy, it is saying to install the hangouts plugin
[2:25] <ozzzy> whatever that is
[2:26] <harris> do i install the 32 bit deb file
[2:26] <harris> or the 32 bit rpm
[2:26] <ozzzy> pi's aren't rpm based
[2:26] <harris> so deb
[2:26] <ozzzy> now... make sure that it's a deb file for the pi... not for intell/amd
[2:27] <ring0> you need some armhf deb, not i386 or amd64
[2:27] <harris> its for debian AND UBUNTU
[2:27] <ozzzy> but it's probably not for pi
[2:27] <[Saint]> Right. It needs to be compiled for either armel or armhf
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[2:27] <ozzzy> you can't load an i386/amd64 package
[2:27] <[Saint]> Your best bet is to grab the source and compile it yourself.
[2:28] <[Saint]> Preferably on something other than the pi itself.
[2:28] <[Saint]> Lest it take a million hours.
[2:28] <ring0> ;)
[2:28] <harris> im googling now
[2:28] <ozzzy> yeah... compiling on the pi ain't quick
[2:29] <ring0> at least you can read the lines while compling, not very common these days
[2:29] <[Saint]> heh. :)
[2:29] <harris> logitech has its on software can i install that
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[2:29] <ozzzy> harris: compiled for the pi?
[2:29] <harris> what does compiled mean
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[2:30] <harris> what software should i install
[2:30] <ozzzy> first you should run something to see if the camera even functions
[2:30] <harris> ok what do i run
[2:31] <ozzzy> dunno... I don't use webcams
[2:31] <[Saint]> Oy...
[2:31] <ozzzy> skype?
[2:31] <harris> sudo apt-get install skype
[2:31] <ozzzy> sure... does that work?
[2:32] <harris> unable to locate
[2:32] <harris> is there anything in the pi store
[2:32] <[Saint]> you'd probably need to add nonfree and/or contrib to pull in skype
[2:33] <Jayface> try cheese
[2:33] <Jayface> sudo apt-get install cheese
[2:33] <ozzzy> I just read that skype doesn't work with video (use grain of salt)
[2:33] <Jayface> well cheese supports most cams
[2:34] <harris> does cheese send video chat
[2:34] <Jayface> no
[2:34] <Jayface> but it allows you to record with webcam
[2:34] <Jayface> to test it
[2:34] <harris> oh ok
[2:34] * harris says thank you to all
[2:35] <ring0> if you're running raspbian, just install anything from the 35.000 packages provided. some have to be interesting harris :)
[2:36] <harris> ok and can a mic that is not usb but is plugged into mic spot work
[2:36] <ozzzy> there's no mic spot
[2:36] <harris> do they make mic to usb
[2:38] <Jayface> i doubt very much that the pi will take good video from a webcam
[2:38] <Jayface> stills probably work fine
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[2:41] <[Saint]> If you were using a 3.5mm->USB adapter....why not just use a USB mic in the first place?
[2:41] <[Saint]> They cost like $5
[2:41] <harris> ok
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[2:41] <harris> so another question while cheese is downloading
[2:41] <harris> what will the camera board do
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[2:42] <Jayface> take shitty vga pics and maybe vids
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[2:43] <harris> do you have a pi j
[2:43] <harris> Jayface,
[2:43] <Jayface> oh not true
[2:43] <Jayface> yes i have four
[2:43] <Jayface> the cam will take HD at 30 fps it says
[2:43] <Jayface> i suspect 720p
[2:43] <harris> why 4
[2:44] <[Saint]> language please.
[2:44] <Jayface> well
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[2:44] <Jayface> i have one that i turned in a retropie arcade
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[2:44] <Jayface> one a turned into a pandora server for my house
[2:45] <Jayface> one is broken
[2:45] <harris> cool what does the pandora server do
[2:45] <Jayface> and one i test on
[2:45] <Jayface> http://learn.adafruit.com/pi-wifi-radio
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[2:46] <harris> so how much have you spent on pis and accessory
[2:46] <Jayface> well i got a pi for free as a present
[2:46] <Jayface> and one free with another purchase
[2:46] <harris> just how much
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[2:46] <Jayface> probably 150 altogether though
[2:47] <harris> do you have any pictures of them
[2:47] <Jayface> sure one sec
[2:49] <harris> cheese doesnt see my webcam
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[2:49] <harris> ozzzy,
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[2:51] <Jayface> http://i.imgur.com/SrHiVcc.jpg
[2:51] <Jayface> huh well you dont have a driver for it
[2:51] <harris> ozzzy,
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[2:53] <harris> which is the arcade on
[2:54] <harris> Jayface,
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[2:57] <ozzzy> what
[2:57] <harris> cheese doesnt see my webcam
[2:57] <ozzzy> then I'd get a supported webcam
[2:57] <harris> ok
[2:57] <ozzzy> one with a microphone built in
[2:57] <harris> Jayface, you on
[2:59] <Jayface> what?
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[2:59] <Jayface> of the arcade is the bottom left
[2:59] <Jayface> with the snes ports on top
[3:01] <harris> i am a kid turning 13 soon any good projects that are free
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[3:04] <harris> Jayface,
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[3:06] <harris> ???
[3:07] <Jayface> you can still do the pandora project without the screen
[3:07] <Jayface> and you definatly dont need a case
[3:07] <Jayface> you can also do the arcade
[3:07] <Jayface> that uses a keyboard or computer joystick to play the games
[3:07] <Jayface> with no case
[3:07] <Jayface> the very first thing you should buy if you do get the chance
[3:08] <Jayface> is a breadboard and a 26 pin breakout cable
[3:08] <Jayface> as this opens up the gpio to whatever you want at a small cost
[3:08] <harris> let me tell you my current set up
[3:09] <harris> i have my laptop then i my tv
[3:09] <harris> and i have my pi with a case 2 sd cards and yeah
[3:09] <harris> what projects can i do
[3:09] <harris> and what exactly does the pandora server do
[3:11] <Jayface> it just plays pandora and you can ssh from any box and control the song playing or move to the next just like pandora
[3:11] <harris> box meaning pi
[3:11] <Jayface> box means any computer
[3:12] <Jayface> windows mac or linux
[3:12] <harris> i can just go to pandora.con
[3:12] <harris> .com
[3:12] <Jayface> or phone running android or ios
[3:12] <harris> i only have ethernet
[3:12] <Jayface> well pianobar cuts out ads and gives you unlimited skips for free
[3:12] <Jayface> you can ssh
[3:13] <Jayface> on a wired network
[3:13] <harris> anything else
[3:14] <Jayface> well
[3:14] <Jayface> you could set the pi up as a firewall box
[3:14] <harris> which is
[3:14] <Jayface> you could use it as a light NAS server in your house
[3:15] <harris> english please
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[3:15] <Jayface> learn to google please
[3:16] <harris> i dont know what those are
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[3:18] <harris> i want something a kid wants to use
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[3:19] <harris> klm[_],
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[3:19] <klm[_]> harris,
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[3:20] <harris> do you have any good fun projects that are free
[3:20] <klm[_]> nope
[3:22] <ring0> harris, this could be interesting: http://elinux.org/RPi_Projects
[3:23] <ring0> especially tutorials and guides
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[3:26] <harris> gtg
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[3:27] <ring0> he didn't like reading
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[3:31] <harris> back
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[3:32] <harris> ring0, im looking at that sight now
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[3:35] <Phosie> That site is pretty cool.
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[3:35] <Phosie> I've been playing with a stepper motor for the last few hours.
[3:36] <Macer> howdo i disable the automatic login in raspbian?
[3:36] <Macer> i can't seem to find it
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[3:37] <harris> im looking at http://learn.adafruit.com/pi-video-output-using-pygame
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[3:37] <harris> Macer, http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/3873/auto-login-with-gui-disabled-in-raspbian
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[3:37] <ring0> Macer, raspi-config
[3:39] <harris> brb
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[3:39] <Macer> ring0: oh
[3:39] <Macer> no i didn't mean like that
[3:39] <Macer> iwant the gui enbled
[3:40] <Macer> but for it to go to login
[3:40] <Macer> not straight to a desktop logged in as pi
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[3:45] <Macer> hm
[3:46] <Macer> i can't find any info on it
[3:46] <Phosie> I've done it but I'm not entirely sure how
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[3:47] <Phosie> and I wish it didn't do it =P
[3:47] <Macer> hm
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[3:48] <Macer> i want it to go to the login screen in x
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[3:48] <Macer> not straight to the pi desktop
[3:48] <Macer> it sucks
[3:48] <Phosie> I've done it.
[3:48] <Phosie> I think it happened when I was connected via SSH and typed "logout"
[3:48] <Macer> yeah well i figured it would be some sort of option somewhere
[3:48] <Macer> in wahtever controls the login
[3:49] <Phosie> The only other thing I've done is renamed the pi user, and create a couple of others.
[3:49] <Phosie> Try the logout thing.
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[3:49] <Macer> i did
[3:49] <Macer> i can logout
[3:50] <Macer> and it gives me the login screen
[3:50] <Macer> but when it boots it goes straight into x as pi
[3:50] <Phosie> hmm...
[3:50] <Phosie> I'm not sure then
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[3:52] <ozzzy> can't you change that in raspi-config
[3:53] <hydroxygen> macer, sudo raspi-config and choose boot behavior
[3:53] <ozzzy> ?
[3:53] * ozzzy heads to bed
[3:53] <Phosie> That's not what he's after
[3:53] <Macer> found it
[3:53] <Macer> hydroxygen: no
[3:53] <Macer> that isn't what you do
[3:54] <Macer> hydroxygen: that only changes it to go to the console login or start the desktop automatically
[3:54] <Phosie> It will either boot into command line (not wanted) or to the x desktop logged in a pi (not wanted)
[3:54] <Macer> in order to start the desktop (X)
[3:54] <Macer> you have to edit /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf
[3:54] <Macer> and # the autologin
[3:54] <Macer> something raspi-config doesn't do for you
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[3:54] <hydroxygen> aha
[3:55] <Macer> raspi-config only has 2 options
[3:55] <Macer> console.. or logged in as pi
[3:55] <Macer> wth? :)
[3:55] <Macer> that's kind of lame
[3:55] <Macer> i fixed it tho. it worked
[3:56] <Macer> ah well. i have to go. later ;)
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[3:57] <Phosie> cya
[3:59] <harris> back
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[4:00] <harris> Phosie, Jayface ozzzy
[4:01] <Phosie> ?
[4:01] <harris> hi
[4:02] <Phosie> err...hi
[4:02] <harris> so what should i do with my pi
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[4:02] <harris> i cant spend anything
[4:02] <Phosie> learn a programming language
[4:02] <harris> i have
[4:02] <Phosie> learn another
[4:02] <harris> scratch and python
[4:03] <harris> i want a project
[4:03] <Phosie> make a game
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[4:04] * harris thinks Phosie is not much of a help right now
[4:04] * Phosie thinks Harris should learn to think for himself.
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[4:05] <Phosie> Ungrateful sod.
[4:06] <harris> hey
[4:06] <harris> thats not nice
[4:06] <Jayface> i agree phosie
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[4:08] <harris> :(
[4:08] <harris> i am just trying to have fun
[4:08] * harris thinks he is a dick head and is unwanted
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[4:17] <harris> is there a way to make raspberry pi as fast as a normal pc
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[4:18] <nerdboy> evenin'
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[4:20] <nerdboy> i think i've decoded the pi audio magic...
[4:20] <nerdboy> works out of the box now, so all i need is an mpd client to complete my pi mp3 player
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[4:41] <[Saint]> [14:17:10] <harris> is there a way to make raspberry pi as fast as a normal pc
[4:41] <[Saint]> .....Really?
[4:41] <[Saint]> s(??????????????;)???
[4:42] <nerdboy> seems pretty fast @ 1GHz with a lightweight desktop
[4:42] <nerdboy> as in a barebones *box ...
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[4:50] <[Saint]> I suppose some people (makes sense, really, now I think about it...the price point makes it attractive for some people) have a very different sense of what makes a desktop these dsys.
[4:52] <[Saint]> My desktop, however, has 128 X more RAM and 32.7X more CPU.
[4:54] * [Saint] hopes he math'ed correctly there.
[4:54] <[Saint]> (64GB RAM and 4 X 2.8GHz dual-core)
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[4:57] <nerdboy> i'm not gonna race you with my 95W quad-core w/ 8 GB...
[4:57] <xobdam> ey there, just curious anyone know of a good ARM prcoessor besides the Rpi that would run XBMC flawlessly as well as sabnzb/sickbeard/couchpotato
[4:58] <yehnan> hi, after booting, how could I get the messages appearing on screen while booting?
[4:58] <[Saint]> yehnan: Could you try re-wording that please?
[4:59] <nerdboy> xobdam: pretty much any armv7 dual/quad-core with 1 GB or more...
[5:00] <yehnan> [Saint]: I use 2013-02-09-wheezy-raspbian.img, when booting, there are a lot of messages outputing to the screen, for example: [ ok] Network Interface Plugging Daemon...skip eth0...done.
[5:00] <nerdboy> yehnan: dmesg for the kernel, plus whatever logs you have enabled...
[5:00] <xobdam> Any suggestions? I was looking at the ODROID's was curious if anyone's used one before
[5:01] <yehnan> nerdboy: the content of dmesg isn't quite the same as that I saw on screen.
[5:01] <[Saint]> xobdam: I have an ODroid U2 and an X2 also.
[5:01] <[Saint]> They're great.
[5:01] <nerdboy> i looked and i want one, but haven't played with one yet
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[5:01] <[Saint]> ...they take a fat dump on the raspi, that's for sure.
[5:01] <nerdboy> dmesg is only kernel messages
[5:01] <xobdam> :) Thanks, exactly what I was looking for, You run XBMC on it?
[5:01] <yehnan> [Saint]: After booting and see the login prompt, how could I see that booting messages again?
[5:02] <[Saint]> xobdam: I haven't, no - but it is more than capable.
[5:02] <nerdboy> for other stuff, i'd look for a boot/rc log of some kind...
[5:02] <[Saint]> yehnan: I'm not sure, none of it is particularly important anyway.
[5:02] <xobdam> thx :) I'll go peek my head in their channel, appreciate it
[5:02] <[Saint]> xobdam: you probably want the X2
[5:03] <nerdboy> yehnan: in gentoo it would be in rc.conf but debian i'm not sure
[5:03] <[Saint]> The U2 is "OK", but the X2 has "more" :)
[5:03] <yehnan> [Saint]: well, I'm writing some kind of tutorial. And need to capture that boot message.
[5:04] <nerdboy> http://wiki.debian.org/bootlogd <= that looks like what you want
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[5:08] <yehnan> nerdboy: there is no such file. I created one and trying...
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[5:08] <nerdboy> you might need to install it...
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[5:10] <yehnan> nerdboy: well, even that could solve the problem. What I want to capture is the very first boot message of booting rpi first time.
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[5:11] <nerdboy> i can't tell from that wiki page if it's actually a separate package or not
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[5:13] <yehnan> nerdboy: the page you gave me said "As from Wheezy, the bootlog package is automatically started as a daemon in the normal way (with a sys-V like init.d script). No config file any more. ", hmm...I'm using wheezy. :)
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[5:13] <nerdboy> in oe there's a bootlogd init script in the sysvinit dir
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[5:20] <yehnan> nerdboy: I installed bootlogd and get the message. thanks. not quite same as what I saw on screen.
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[5:21] <nerdboy> yeah, the wiki page says you need to get the escape codes back...
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[5:53] <discopig> lol
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