#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2013-05-16

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[0:00] <zlate> oh, didnt notice and files. gonna check that out. thanks
[0:00] <ripzay> ;p
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[0:20] <Simon-> there's a watchdog device if you want it to reboot when it stops responding
[0:23] <chod> external ?
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[0:27] <pksato> Simon-: have a internal bcm_watchdog , load module, configure and run watchdog daemon.
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[0:44] <\\Mr_C\\> whats the freezing temperature of mercury?
[0:45] <\\Mr_C\\> the raspberry pi and cubie board opens up doorways to terrorists and bmombs
[0:47] <plugwash> You can't really go banning everything a terrorist could possiblly use as a trigger
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[0:47] <\\Mr_C\\> i never said anything about banning
[0:48] <\\Mr_C\\> just a statement idea
[0:48] <chod> any one use ifttt
[0:49] <chod> just why is there not a pi 'client'
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[0:49] <chod> for automated stuff
[0:49] <\\Mr_C\\> i seen a video where this kid made a cell phone trigger the gpio's from his cell phone and turned his truck heater on and started the truck too with his cell phone and a rpi
[0:49] <chod> heh
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[0:50] <\\Mr_C\\> pretty cool stuff
[0:50] <chod> nice
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[0:50] <\\Mr_C\\> he had a little color chart diagram on his cell phone just like on the doc pages on the cell phone screen and all he did was press one of the buttons and it triggered it
[0:54] <chod> there are a few gpio apps
[0:54] <chod> or just ssh back
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[1:13] <KiltedPi> Have the beekeepers left?
[1:13] <KiltedPi> They were having trouble with their humidity sensor
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[1:16] <ozzzy> anyone here checked out cmus
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[1:22] <amstan> woot!
[1:22] <amstan> camera is here
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[1:22] <SpeedEvil> :-)
[1:22] <SpeedEvil> :-(
[1:22] <Slash_Fury> amstan: as a US fellow here, I'm jealous
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[1:22] <amstan> it's much tinyer than i tought
[1:23] <amstan> 1.5 finger widths
[1:23] <Slash_Fury> Have any plans for it?
[1:23] <amstan> yeah, i'm going to use it for work
[1:23] <amstan> we do computer vision stuff, i wanted to get away from crappy usb proprietary cameras that don't have proper apis
[1:24] <troulouliou_dev> amstan, official cam ?
[1:24] <amstan> troulouliou_dev: idk, maybe
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[1:24] <amstan> i'm just evaluating stuff
[1:24] <harris> anyone on
[1:25] <amstan> i also have a beagleboard-xm + LI-5M03
[1:25] <amstan> though.. for like 2 months i've been fighting with drivers on that one
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[1:28] <harris> whats better raspberry pi or beagle bone
[1:28] <amstan> harris: define better
[1:28] <harris> idk faster
[1:28] <SpeedEvil> bone has much better hardware docs
[1:28] <harris> more cabible
[1:29] <amstan> harris: define faster, lol
[1:29] <amstan> harris: if i'm not mistaken the beaglebone is faster in raw power, but rpi is faster in doing video
[1:29] <harris> which do you have
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[1:29] <amstan> harris: both
[1:30] <harris> what do you use it for
[1:30] <amstan> currently, nothing for either of them
[1:30] <harris> why
[1:31] <amstan> i haven't found a good use yet for computers of this size, i'm really not interested in a media center pc, and for embedded stuff it's a lot of work to meet my standards
[1:31] <harris> so why you buy it?
[1:31] <harris> lol
[1:32] <amstan> as i mentioned earlier, i'm trying to find a good solution for "ethernet cameras" that can also do cv for work
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[1:32] <harris> what is an ethernet camera?
[1:32] <amstan> i had the beagleboard for a while but never had time to actually get it started with the drivers
[1:32] <amstan> now i'm trying the rpi camera board on the rpis i already had
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[1:33] <amstan> a camera that has ethernet and can send the video/pictures through tcp/ip
[1:33] <harris> wait when the camera come out
[1:33] <amstan> today
[1:33] <harris> and you already have it
[1:33] <amstan> actually, yesterday
[1:33] <amstan> i ordered one yesterday at 9am
[1:33] <harris> how do you have it so quicj
[1:34] <amstan> element14 has next day shipping apparently
[1:34] <harris> ok cool
[1:34] <harris> are u in uk
[1:34] <amstan> canada
[1:35] <harris> cool usa
[1:35] <harris> i have a pi but im a kid and dont know what to do with it
[1:36] <chod> get an image squirt it on an sd
[1:36] <harris> i have wheezy and raspbmc
[1:37] <amstan> harris: i recomend getting yourself a wifi stick, a gertboard, an old rc car, and make yourself a ssh controller rc car
[1:37] <chod> :D
[1:37] <harris> why not just ethernet
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[1:37] <amstan> because you don't want an ethernet cable to hang behind your car
[1:37] <amstan> gees man..
[1:37] <amstan> you know how uncool that would look?
[1:38] * harris is cracking up
[1:38] <amstan> though.. you also have to fix the power situation
[1:38] <harris> do you have any videos of how toos
[1:38] <amstan> harris: no, but you can try designing it and then make a "how to" yourself
[1:38] <harris> i want to do a few projects without spending money
[1:39] <amstan> well, depends on what you have, just the rpi on its own is kinda boring for most things
[1:39] <harris> any suggestions
[1:39] <amstan> you need some other stuff
[1:39] <harris> i have rpi and mouse and keyboatd
[1:40] <harris> im watching this http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/3890 brb
[1:40] <amstan> the places where boards like the rpi excel is in small places, with low power, and mobile(because of the size)
[1:41] <harris> wait how the heck are you supposed to use the camera if it has the huge cable
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[1:42] <harris> so what should i add to my must buy list for the rpi amstan
[1:43] <amstan> harris: you mean in my application how i'm supposed to use it? my camera doesn't have to be mobile, it will be stuck to a 2ton workcell
[1:44] <harris> cool
[1:44] <harris> what do i need to start doing projects
[1:44] <amstan> harris: depends on the project
[1:45] <harris> i want to start doing fun studd
[1:45] <harris> stuff
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[1:45] <harris> what do i need to start doing projects
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[1:46] <harris> what do i need to start doing projects
[1:47] <harris> amstan,
[1:47] <amstan> harris: idk, depends on your project
[1:47] <harris> what should my first project be
[1:48] <amstan> up to you, i can't tell you that
[1:48] <harris> what was yours
[1:48] <djazz> harris: are you new to linux? new to programming?
[1:48] <harris> i have always used linux and i know programming
[1:48] <harris> i want a physical projects
[1:49] <djazz> only physical I've made is lego mindstorms integration, web radio client, webcam streamer/making timelapses
[1:50] <harris> can you help me set up my logitech webcam
[1:51] <djazz> i used mjpg-streamer to stream from the cam/take snapshots
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[1:51] <djazz> i didnt have to do any special set up
[1:51] <djazz> worked out of the box
[1:52] <harris> mine is a logitech V-UAP$@
[1:52] <harris> mine is a logitech V-UAP42
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[1:53] <djazz> i'm waiting to get the pi cam ^^
[1:53] <harris> i might get it
[1:53] <harris> so how do i set it up
[1:53] <djazz> well, you plug the cam in, start some webcam software.
[1:54] <harris> i did it doesnt work doesnt seem like it has the right drivers
[1:54] <amstan> harris: so like.... on this one you don't have to recompile a kernel, instructions are clearly listed on the rpi website
[1:54] <djazz> i dont know any simple webcam software
[1:54] <amstan> harris: oh..
[1:54] <amstan> harris: nvm, you're not using that camera, just an usb one
[1:54] <djazz> harris: do you get a /dev/video0 device?
[1:55] <harris> yeah a usb one
[1:55] <amstan> harris: does your camera work on any other linux comp? and that ^
[1:55] <pksato> harris: that is pid and vid of this webacam ? (lsusb)
[1:55] <harris> ok what should i run in terminal
[1:55] <djazz> ls /dev/video0 -l
[1:55] <harris> ok
[1:56] <harris> can i join this channel on my pi without a registered username
[1:56] <djazz> no
[1:56] <djazz> dont think so
[1:56] <harris> ok hold on im paste binning the results
[1:57] * djazz uses irssi as ssh client on my pi ^^
[1:57] <djazz> irc*
[1:57] <djazz> aah im tired
[1:57] <djazz> XD
[1:57] <djazz> and i ssh to the pi to chat on irc
[1:57] <harris> hold on one sec
[1:57] <djazz> *
[1:58] <harris> i bought the pi to have fun
[1:59] <djazz> it is fun, but I'm a software guy :P
[2:00] <harris> here http://pastebin.com/tzvTiktU
[2:00] <djazz> yay
[2:00] <djazz> it exist
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[2:00] <harris> now what
[2:00] <djazz> can you paste the output of lsmod too?
[2:00] <djazz> on pastebin
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[2:01] <harris> yeah
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[2:02] <harris> why is chromium so slow on the pi :(|
[2:02] <djazz> because its not hardware accelerated?
[2:02] <djazz> try overclock :P
[2:02] <harris> i have overclocked
[2:03] <djazz> i never use the desktop enviroment on the pi, too slow for me
[2:03] <harris> http://pastebin.com/XiNqnbLw
[2:03] <djazz> looks good :)
[2:04] <pksato> v4l-info /dev/video0
[2:04] <harris> ok now what
[2:04] <djazz> gspca_spca561 is your webcam driver
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[2:04] <harris> ok so..
[2:05] <harris> ...
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[2:06] <pksato> some webcam need a proprietary firmware.
[2:06] <harris> djazz, what next
[2:07] <djazz> harris: what webcam software have you tried?
[2:07] <harris> cheese
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[2:10] <djazz> i have only tried motion and mjpg-streamer
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[2:12] <harris> ok :(
[2:13] <djazz> harris: try guvcview
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[2:19] <harris> im just going to buy the pi camera
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[2:20] <djazz> ahahah http://swag.raspberrypi.org/
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[2:22] <harris> im finding out how much gertboards and other stuff is
[2:22] <amstan> anyone know if the new camera tools and drivers work with archlinux on the pi?
[2:23] <harris> amstan, your the one that told me to use the rc car right
[2:23] <amstan> harris: yes, just pick a board that has support for motor drivers
[2:23] <harris> what do you mean
[2:24] <harris> is this it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klQdX8-YVaI
[2:24] <amstan> harris: perfect...
[2:24] <amstan> there's your tutorial
[2:24] <djazz> amstan: i sure do hope so
[2:24] <djazz> i use arch
[2:24] <harris> anyone have a better video
[2:25] <amstan> djazz: if i end up using it, i'll make sure they do, i was talking to them for the beagleboard
[2:25] <amstan> djazz: but idk if they're that fast with it though
[2:25] <djazz> :)
[2:26] <harris> i dont know how to find a good video (how to)
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[2:26] <amstan> djazz: https://github.com/archlinuxarm/PKGBUILDs/tree/master/core seems like they're active on the rpi kernels
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[2:27] <harris> i dont know how to find a good video (how to)
[2:27] <amstan> djazz: but i don't see thouse tools(raspistill raspivid) anywhere
[2:28] <djazz> amstan: you can compile those
[2:28] <djazz> i havent looked at the code yet
[2:28] <amstan> djazz: someone needs to make a pkgbuild for it then
[2:28] <djazz> https://github.com/raspberrypi/userland/tree/master/host_applications/linux/apps/raspicam
[2:28] <harris> anyone have a good video
[2:29] <amstan> djazz: seems pretty straight forward
[2:29] <harris> amstan,
[2:29] <harris> djazz,
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[2:29] <amstan> harris: dude... nobody is going to tell you exactly what to do
[2:29] <amstan> harris: you just asked for ideas and components what to buy
[2:30] <harris> well i am new i dont know what to do
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[2:30] <amstan> it's like 1 guy that did this before, these things take time
[2:30] <amstan> they're not that complicated but take time
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[2:30] <amstan> so you're not going to find anyone telling you step by step what to do
[2:31] <amstan> get those kits, read the manuals and try putting them together, you'll have to figure out the details yourself though
[2:31] <harris> what kits
[2:31] <amstan> harris: i recomend the gertboard, read the descriptions for it, see what it actually does
[2:31] <amstan> don't buy it unless you're sure
[2:33] <harris> do you have the link
[2:33] <amstan> no, google it
[2:33] <harris> google what
[2:33] <amstan> i gave you the name
[2:33] <harris> gertboard
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[2:33] <amstan> yes
[2:34] <harris> isnt that a gpio board
[2:34] <amstan> it is, read up why they're important
[2:34] <amstan> and what a "motor driver" is
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[2:36] <harris> http://www.element14.com/community/docs/DOC-51726/l/assembled-gertboard-for-raspberry-pi
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[2:39] <harris> hey amstan and djazz is this worth while to watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98sESSY7TzU
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[2:40] <djazz> harris: i suppose, but I'm not into that kind of hardware
[2:41] <harris> oh ok
[2:41] <harris> do they sell some already soldered ones
[2:42] <djazz> harris: the gertboard? you just sent the link
[2:42] <djazz> to the soldered one
[2:42] <harris> oh yeah
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[2:44] <harris> so i need a gertboard wifi stick rc car anything else
[2:46] <djazz> i don't know
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[2:48] <harris> amstan, what do i do with the gert board
[2:50] <amstan> djazz: alright, gave up on raspbian, it just errors with this: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=18798
[2:50] <amstan> djazz: trying archlinux now
[2:50] <harris> amstan, why are you ignoring me?
[2:50] <harris> i admire you and just want your help
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[2:50] <djazz> amstan: what?
[2:51] <amstan> djazz: will just try the camera with archlinux directly
[2:51] <harris> djazz, i think he put me on his ignore list can you ask him to please take me off i will stop asking stupid questions
[2:51] <djazz> you have a camera?
[2:51] <amstan> djazz: earlier the plan was to get raspbian and try it the easy way, but the "easy way" has bugs booting so... yeah
[2:51] <amstan> harris: i can hear you, but you will probably continue
[2:51] <amstan> djazz: yes, i do have a camera
[2:52] <harris> continue what
[2:52] <djazz> cool
[2:52] <djazz> I will use the pi camera + battery pack + bluetooth + wifi to make my robot fully portable, within wifi range
[2:52] <djazz> (lego mindstorms nxt robot)
[2:53] <amstan> djazz: decent
[2:53] <djazz> right now i use an eyetoy ps2 cam and usb hub
[2:53] <djazz> but it will get underpowered
[2:54] <djazz> (its a powered hub, but still underpowered :s)
[2:54] <amstan> djazz: how are you powering it with 5V? smpsu?
[2:54] <harris> i cant find a easy first project
[2:54] <djazz> amstan: usb battery pack, 5V 2A
[2:55] <harris> >:(
[2:56] <T0ndermere> does mono work ocrrectly with the soft float raspbian distro?
[2:57] <T0ndermere> correctly
[2:59] <harris> T0ndermere, any advice
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[3:00] <amstan> harris: now you're starting to harras everyone here
[3:00] * harris just wants to learn :(
[3:00] <T0ndermere> I don't know, what are you interested in? hardware? software? programming?
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[3:02] <harris> T0ndermere, i want like hardware
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[3:03] <T0ndermere> then I won't be of much help
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[3:03] <harris> what do you do
[3:04] <T0ndermere> i use my pis as servers mostly
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[3:04] <T0ndermere> so programming and server stuff
[3:05] <harris> oh cool
[3:05] <djazz> me too
[3:05] <amstan> me too?
[3:05] <djazz> right now: web server on one and a web radio server on another
[3:06] <djazz> irc and nodejs servers also runs on the web server pi
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[3:06] <harris> i have been using it for programming but i want to do something more handson
[3:07] <T0ndermere> harris, get a gertboard
[3:07] <harris> why
[3:07] <T0ndermere> so you can do some hardware projects
[3:08] <Slash_Fury> Blargh, I was wiring up a cable for my GPIO and I didn't notice that with the way my cable plugs in, the pins line up as 2,1,4,3,6,5 instead of 123456 etc. Gotta resolder this stupid thing :(
[3:08] <harris> i know but i need some step by step tutorials
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[3:09] <harris> is gpio the same as gertboard
[3:10] <djazz> no
[3:10] <djazz> the raspberry pi has a gpio port
[3:10] <harris> whats the difference
[3:10] <djazz> the gertboard connects to and extends the features of it
[3:10] <djazz> i think
[3:11] <harris> ok ty i need to go my sister is bugging me about playing catch ill be back later
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[3:22] <amstan> djazz: alright, booted
[3:24] <djazz> aha
[3:24] <amstan> djazz: ugh, i also need raspi-config, i think all it does is changes /boot/config.txt
[3:25] <djazz> amstan: ah, see what it does in the source
[3:26] <djazz> amstan: the only think it seems to do is change gpu mem size
[3:26] <djazz> "set_config_var gpu_mem 128 /boot/config.txt"
[3:26] <djazz> amstan: https://github.com/asb/raspi-config/blob/master/raspi-config#L385
[3:27] <amstan> djazz: i don't even have the set_config_var command
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[3:27] <djazz> amstan: no, thats an internal raspiconfig command
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[3:28] <djazz> amstan: just add the line gpu_mem=128 to config.txt
[3:28] <djazz> ;)
[3:28] <amstan> djazz: alright, next reboot
[3:28] <amstan> djazz: any idea what the arch package raspberrypi-firmware-tools contains?
[3:28] <djazz> nope
[3:29] <amstan> it's not even installed yet, it's a new package, the upgrade pulls it
[3:29] <djazz> :p
[3:29] <amstan> i gotta say, it's much more responsive than the beagleboard-xm, i forgot
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[3:30] <amstan> djazz: i already have gpu_mem_512=316\ngpu_mem_256=128
[3:30] <amstan> i have the 256MB model btw
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[3:30] <djazz> aha
[3:31] <djazz> try compile raspicam
[3:31] <amstan> right
[3:32] <amstan> ca-certificates, ugh
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[3:38] <amstan> djazz: what about start_file start_x.elf?
[3:38] <amstan> djazz: they seem to do that too
[3:38] <djazz> amstan: idk
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[3:57] <harris> im back
[3:58] <harris> djazz, and T0ndermere and amstan
[3:58] * amstan cries
[3:59] * harris thinks amstan is mean
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[4:01] <djazz> harris: welcome back
[4:01] <harris> ty
[4:01] <harris> my sister wanted me to play catch
[4:06] <djazz> :)
[4:07] <harris> so whats new
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[4:11] <djazz> harris: not much
[4:12] <djazz> except that the clock is now 4 am ;o
[4:12] <harris> mine is 7:12 pm
[4:13] <harris> i still cant find a good cheap project
[4:13] <amstan> djazz: aww: http://pastebin.com/FgXCW65a
[4:14] <amstan> seems i'm not starting the compile from the right place
[4:14] <djazz> amstan: https://github.com/raspberrypi/userland/blob/master/interface/vcos/vcos.h
[4:15] <djazz> did you clone the whole thing?
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[4:15] <amstan> djazz: i did, but i think i can't just go in the folder and run cmake .\nmake
[4:15] <djazz> :/
[4:15] <amstan> "Use buildme to build. It requires cmake to be installed and an arm cross compiler. It is set up to use this one"
[4:16] <amstan> i think it has to be the root folder of the repo first
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[4:16] <harris> i still cant find a good cheap project
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[4:18] <johnc-> saw the home built GPS project on the pi's website, give that a try ;p
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[4:21] <harris> ill check it out ty
[4:22] <harris> whats the point of this http://usualpanic.com/2013/05/raspberry-pi-internet-radio/
[4:22] <djazz> anyone want to set up their pi as a web radio streaming server?
[4:22] <harris> why
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[4:23] <amstan> djazz: so apparently that userland project is meant to be cross compiled, i said screw it and make my own crosscompiler cmake target(that points to the local compiler)
[4:23] <djazz> because its a fun project :P
[4:23] <amstan> 17% compiling
[4:23] <djazz> amstan: yay
[4:24] <harris> is it
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[4:24] <djazz> harris: I built this web radio, all running on the pi: http://djazz.mine.nu:1337/
[4:25] <djazz> php/js/mysql/nginx/mpd powered
[4:25] <johnc-> eh, it's just installing software
[4:25] <amstan> djazz: ffs, there's already that file in raspberrypi-firmware-tools /opt/vc/bin/raspistill
[4:25] <djazz> :D
[4:25] <harris> djazz, is that the link i posted cool
[4:25] <djazz> harris: what, no
[4:26] <djazz> its different. I made a SERVER, not a client
[4:26] <amstan> djazz: zomg, it seems to work
[4:26] <amstan> scping the picture out of it
[4:26] <djazz> cool
[4:26] <amstan> hmm, it's all dark
[4:27] <amstan> because it was in a dark room
[4:27] <amstan> giving it light
[4:27] <johnc-> lol, is that a javascript FFT for the visualization?!
[4:27] <djazz> johnc-: yes
[4:27] <johnc-> hahaha
[4:27] <djazz> its native to Web Audio API
[4:27] <djazz> a chrome html5 api
[4:27] <djazz> firefox will get it soon too
[4:29] <amstan> djazz: zomg! http://hypertriangle.com/~alex/upload/test.png
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[4:29] <djazz> amstan: give it 5 min to download XD
[4:29] <cmasta> Hello everyone, Im a fellow Raspberry Pi Enthusiast. I just wanted to introduce myself, I go by Cmasta. Looks like a decent sized community here. Anyone on?
[4:29] <harris> this looks really cool but really expensive
[4:29] <djazz> i see something
[4:30] <johnc-> djazz, that's a lot of stuff running on a pi
[4:30] <djazz> harris: what does?
[4:30] <djazz> johnc-: yeah, i run my webserver on another pi
[4:30] <harris> http://usualpanic.com/2013/05/raspberry-pi-internet-radio/
[4:30] <cmasta> Anyone have any experince with the 3.9.2 kernel on xbian?
[4:30] <johnc-> I like that project heh
[4:30] <johnc-> gave me a cool idea
[4:31] <djazz> johnc-: want help to set it up? ;)
[4:31] <harris> what did
[4:31] <johnc-> djazz, sadly the framework it involves is closed source
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[4:32] <djazz> hm?
[4:32] <harris> how much would this cost http://usualpanic.com/2013/05/raspberry-pi-internet-radio/
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[4:33] <djazz> johnc-: which?
[4:33] <djazz> amstan: i see the picture now, its upside down D:
[4:33] <johnc-> djazz, I'm writing a home automation framework, I was thinking the radio wooden radio project would be great for my bedroom as a music device/wake up alarms etc. :)
[4:33] <djazz> but cool that it works onarch
[4:36] <djazz> johnc-: yeah, my thing is a radio server, not a client
[4:36] <djazz> it streams music to the web
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[4:36] <johnc-> djazz, I know, I was talking about the one that harris keeps linking constantly
[4:37] <hglm> I have recently installed Debian Wheezy on an ARM tablet, and it feels a LOT faster than my Pi...with a similar Linux system setup. Have there been any recent developments speeding up Raspbian?
[4:37] <harris> hey johnc- what idea did it give you
[4:37] <djazz> ah
[4:37] <johnc-> I'm not repeating myself
[4:37] <djazz> harris: I cant help you, i know nothing about such hardware
[4:37] <amstan> djazz: this is glorious
[4:37] <amstan> djazz: got the live view going
[4:38] <amstan> much better than any webcam
[4:38] <harris> how much would you spend to make this http://usualpanic.com/2013/05/raspberry-pi-internet-radio/ amstan
[4:38] <amstan> here's the options on this: http://pastebin.com/vSpRVE8Z
[4:38] <djazz> amstan: sweet
[4:38] <amstan> harris: that's even more complicated than the rc car
[4:38] <djazz> cant wait for my cam ^^
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[4:38] <amstan> djazz: is it coming?
[4:39] <djazz> amstan: I ordered today, and it will maybe take a month
[4:39] <harris> well that has a step by step guide
[4:39] <djazz> I'm not in the UK (Sweden)
[4:39] <amstan> aww
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[4:39] <amstan> djazz: come on, it would take less for me to order one than send it somewhere else
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[4:41] <djazz> amstan__: sorry, i have already ordered xD
[4:42] <harris> amstan__, do you have a step by step cause i cant find one
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[4:51] <johnc-> does anybody have a good/safe overclocked config handy?
[4:51] <djazz> johnc-: my config is empty except for the turbo overclock (the webradio)
[4:51] <djazz> :P
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[4:58] <Syliss> is web browning still meh on pi?
[4:59] <johnc-> of course
[4:59] <Syliss> browsing*
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[4:59] <Syliss> ugh
[4:59] <djazz> depends on the browser.. elinks works great! XD
[4:59] <johnc-> hehe
[4:59] <djazz> (terminal based browser)
[4:59] <hglm> I think it possible to speed up Midori by using a ramdisk disk cache.
[5:00] <Syliss> okay
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[5:00] <hglm> Because writing to flash memory is dog slow on the Pi, and Midori is doing that all the time.
[5:00] <Syliss> i have the 256 ram vers
[5:00] <Syliss> and have the lap dock for it
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[5:00] <Syliss> i want to use it as a 3rd screen at work
[5:01] <hglm> Settings the disk cache to 0 MB in Midori may help already.
[5:02] <Syliss> kk
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[5:03] <Syliss> i work in tech support at a wireless isp and sometimes have down time or while waiting during calls and are allowed to have laptops/the-like and i want something other than my mbp
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[5:35] <devslash> if i want to configure a static ip address do i need to uncomment the Routes line in /etc/network.d/ethernet-eth0 e
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[6:11] <\\Mr_C\\> <devslash>
[6:11] <devslash> yes
[6:11] <devslash> ?
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[6:13] <\\Mr_C\\> iface wlan0 inet static
[6:13] <\\Mr_C\\> address
[6:13] <\\Mr_C\\> netmask
[6:13] <\\Mr_C\\> network
[6:13] <\\Mr_C\\> broadcast
[6:13] <\\Mr_C\\> gateway
[6:13] <\\Mr_C\\> replace wlan0 with eth0
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[6:15] <\\Mr_C\\> this is another example
[6:15] <\\Mr_C\\> # The primary network interface
[6:15] <\\Mr_C\\> auto eth0
[6:15] <\\Mr_C\\> # iface eth0 inet dhcp
[6:15] <\\Mr_C\\> iface eth0 inet static
[6:15] <\\Mr_C\\> address
[6:15] <\\Mr_C\\> netmask
[6:15] <\\Mr_C\\> network
[6:15] <\\Mr_C\\> broadcast
[6:15] <\\Mr_C\\> gateway
[6:16] <\\Mr_C\\> and its /etc/network/interfaces
[6:16] <Dagger2> maybe pastebin next time for something that long
[6:16] <\\Mr_C\\> ok
[6:16] <\\Mr_C\\> sorry
[6:18] <Dagger2> also /etc/network/interfaces is a Debian thing. it's quite possible devslash isn't using Debian
[6:18] <devslash> i don't have a network folder under /etc
[6:18] <devslash> i do have /etc/network.d
[6:18] <\\Mr_C\\> what distro is it?
[6:19] <devslash> arch
[6:19] <devslash> you know i am going to configure a static ip at the router level. much easier
[6:21] <\\Mr_C\\> do you have this /etc/netctl/examples/?
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[6:29] <\\Mr_C\\> devslash
[6:29] <\\Mr_C\\> http://pastebin.com/TPP4Pw2c
[6:29] <\\Mr_C\\> there is the config file and enamples
[6:30] <devslash> thanks
[6:31] <\\Mr_C\\> hehe
[6:31] <\\Mr_C\\> enamples=examples
[6:31] <devslash> i read that as examples
[6:32] <devslash> funny how your brain has auto correct
[6:32] <\\Mr_C\\> oh yea
[6:32] <\\Mr_C\\> speaking of which
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[6:34] <\\Mr_C\\> you ever seen this before?
[6:34] <\\Mr_C\\> Aoccdrnig to rscheearch at an Elingsh uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer is at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a toatl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae we do not raed ervey lteter by it slef but the wrod as a wlohe.
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[6:57] <devslash> yea i have
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[7:35] <johnc-> hmm, what's the most effecient video container format to use with the pi?
[7:36] <johnc-> mkv causes some audio skipping at 1080p
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[7:38] <Triffid_Hunter> johnc-: pretty sure the container has very little to do with it
[7:38] <johnc-> not sure what the demuxing overhead is
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[7:47] <Hoerie> <johnc-> mkv causes some audio skipping at 1080p <-- it would really, really surprise me if it was down to the overhead of mkv itself. It's way more likely to be an issue with the video and/or audio stream or subs
[7:48] <johnc-> works fine on my laptop :(
[7:48] <johnc-> it's not bad though
[7:48] <johnc-> skips a bit in the titles of what I'm watching then continues as normal
[7:49] <johnc-> sometimes it'll cause the audio to cut out entirely
[7:50] <Hoerie> <johnc-> works fine on my laptop :( <-- and your laptop is equivalent to a raspberry pi? and you know that other containers with identical streams work better?
[7:51] <Hoerie> I know that styled subs caused stuttering issues before, don't know how that is now
[7:51] <johnc-> no it's not the same, but I said it to counter the claim that the video/audio/subs were messed up
[7:51] <Hoerie> I didn't say messed up
[7:51] <Hoerie> I meant the level for the video stream may be too high, therte may be too many reference frames, the bitrate may be too high
[7:51] <johnc-> anyway, I'll just assume that 1080p playback is not super reliable and move on :)
[7:53] <Hoerie> as you aren't saying anything about the specific file you are trying to play (or the player you are using) it's very misty in my crystal ball
[7:53] <johnc-> there's also a good chance it's not optimal performance because I'm on soft float
[7:54] <Hoerie> uh, yes that is probably a big impact too
[7:54] <johnc-> yeah, as soon as mono hard float support is complete I'll be moving back to hard float
[7:54] <johnc-> I don't need java but I do need mono
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[7:56] <Hoerie> I have one pi for fiddling and one for xbmc ;-)
[7:56] <johnc-> I have one in my office for dev, one attached to my tv for testing/using as a sort of media center
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[8:03] <sgerbino> anyone know of some good articles or tutorials for making a bot out of my pi, e.g. adding treads or wheels?
[8:04] <Triffid_Hunter> sgerbino: arduino crew should have heaps
[8:05] <sgerbino> so you think it's necessary to get an arduino as well as the pi to accomplish this?
[8:07] <Triffid_Hunter> sgerbino: not necessary, but definitely recommended. the arduino is much better suited to interfacing things than the rpi
[8:08] <Triffid_Hunter> sgerbino: for your 'bot, go grab a tank chassis from your local toyworld or similar, a dual motor driver from pololu or sparkfun (make sure it can handle 3.3v logic signals!) maybe an LM2596 buck converter or three from ebay
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[8:11] <sgerbino> the converter for using 1 power supply and getting the voltage down for the rpi?
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[8:13] <Jck_true> sgerbino: 12V->5V?
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[8:13] <sgerbino> is that an answer or a question :D im a newb to electronics
[8:14] <sgerbino> i am not sure why i'd need an arduino other than the fact that i only have 1 PWM pin on the RPi
[8:16] <sgerbino> this thing for instance: http://www.pololu.com/catalog/product/713, i can use to run 2 dc motors.. is it possible to use soft pwm to control these speeds or is that going to perform poorly
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[8:21] <Hoerie> <sgerbino> anyone know of some good articles or tutorials for making a bot out of my pi, e.g. adding treads or wheels? <-- I think the MagPi had some articles
[8:23] <Jck_true> sgerbino: Sorry - I joined halfway in :) Nevermind me
[8:23] <Triffid_Hunter> sgerbino: the rpi is rather poor at hard realtime tasks like generating PWM pulsetrains
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[8:24] <sgerbino> because of the overhead of running linux i presume?
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[8:26] <Triffid_Hunter> sgerbino: no, because even RTLinux isn't designed for fine grained deterministic timing, and regular linux certainly isn't much good at it
[8:26] <Triffid_Hunter> sgerbino: the arduino however is absolutely fantastic at it ;)
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[8:28] <sgerbino> so sad how much electrical knowledge i have for a software dev :D trying to rectify that with this little project
[8:28] <Triffid_Hunter> sgerbino: it's the best way to do it :)
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[8:45] <gordonDrogon> morning..
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[8:52] <sgerbino> thanks for the tips all gnite
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[8:55] <gordonDrogon> Pi os OK for software PWM for doing tasks like LED dimming and simple motor speed control
[8:55] <knoppies> gordonDrogon, is that a question or confirmation?
[8:55] <gordonDrogon> conformation. questions have? on them :)
[8:56] <gordonDrogon> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_51o2cUZXY
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[8:57] <surfn_> hi sup
[8:57] <surfn_> I kinda have a problem.
[8:57] <surfn_> I can't quite understand this diagram
[8:57] <surfn_> https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B5-HND9HJkXWSTQtYlFTZ3VyODA/edit
[8:58] <surfn_> there's a reason, I can't understand it, and why I have a limited knowledge of electronics: I'm colourblind
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[8:58] <surfn_> can someone give me a hand for a few mins?
[8:59] <gordonDrogon> surfn_, it's applying a solution that should never be needed.
[8:59] <gordonDrogon> BUY A PROPER 3.3V RELAY BOARD.
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[8:59] <gordonDrogon> and don't spend more on an interface board than you spend on the cheap relay board.
[8:59] <Grievre> o.o
[8:59] <DarkWell> hello there
[8:59] <Grievre> People buy relay boards?
[8:59] <Jck_true> Why the heck does he grab 5V from the tp and not from the pinouts?
[8:59] <surfn_> where do I find those?
[9:00] <gordonDrogon> http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/4ch-relay-board-kit-for-raspberry-pi-quick2wire-compatible-p-1200.html
[9:00] <DarkWell> i try to run znc ( an irc bnc ) on the raspberry pi ( using raspbian ) , it seems unable to connect ....
[9:00] <surfn_> Jck_true: is there a better way?
[9:00] <DarkWell> Csocket.cpp:2448 socket: Address family not supported by protocol
[9:00] <DarkWell> Csocket.cpp:2448 socket: Address family not supported by protocol
[9:01] <Triffid_Hunter> surfn_: there's a perfectly good 5v pin on the GPIO header
[9:01] <Grievre> DarkWell: can you pastebin your znc config file (edit out passwords)?
[9:01] <DarkWell> my question is; did the package not compile with ipv4 support ??
[9:01] <DarkWell> Grievre, im pretty sure its not a prob with the config
[9:01] <surfn_> I bought one of these: http://www.ebay.com/itm/180822479761?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649
[9:01] <DarkWell> ive been running that config on another machine
[9:02] <Jck_true> surfn_: Solding on the tp is not really a good idea (Unless you wanna increase your odds of destroying your board :))
[9:02] <Grievre> DarkWell: I wasn't implying it was a problem with the config, I was just asking you to show it to me
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[9:02] <surfn_> and I'd like to set it up, but I am struggling to find instructions and I keep seeing diagrams with resistors - and I'm colourblind I can't tell what they're for or what they are
[9:02] <Triffid_Hunter> surfn_: http://jeffskinnerbox.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/raspberry-pi-rev-1-gpio-pin-out1.jpg
[9:02] <DarkWell> Grievre, why ?
[9:03] <Grievre> DarkWell: Um, because if you don't I won't help you? lol
[9:03] <Grievre> It's hard for me to help you if you won't give me the information I need to tell what's going on
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[9:03] <DarkWell> so im going to show you a conf that isnt anby prob with ??
[9:04] <Grievre> do or don't, makes no difference to me
[9:04] <DarkWell> when i susupect its actually tyhe binary that cant handle sockets properly ?
[9:04] <Grievre> Seems like you've already figured out the problem! Glad it worked out for you :)
[9:04] <Grievre> psst: try setting your vhost to
[9:04] <DarkWell> well it diesnt
[9:04] <DarkWell> since its a package precompiled...
[9:05] <DarkWell> vhpst aölready set to that
[9:05] <surfn_> Jck_true: can you see what I mean.
[9:05] <DarkWell> but why care since i dont user the web administrationa tlall ?
[9:05] <Grievre> what is wrong with your keyboard?
[9:06] <DarkWell> interference with cellphone
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[9:07] <Grievre> seems like ipv6 is maybe broken. People online have solved this problem by recompiling znc with ipv6 disabled
[9:08] <DarkWell> ok
[9:08] <DarkWell> s im stuck with a faulty binary then
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[9:08] <Jck_true> DarkWell: Just use Quassel like all the smart people does ;)
[9:09] <DarkWell> quassel is a bnc ?
[9:09] <DarkWell> thought that was jsut a client
[9:10] <Jck_true> DarkWell: Well it's a bouncer - but it only works with the quassel client :)
[9:10] <DarkWell> quassel is a bouncer and client ?
[9:13] <Jck_true> DarkWell: Yeah - Nevermind what I said - I was only tyeasing :)
[9:13] <Jck_true> teasing*
[9:13] <DarkWell> i dont really want to install the entire qt platform tor un it
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[9:14] <Jck_true> DarkWell: The core (Quassel's name for the bouncer) is a static binary :)
[9:15] <DarkWell> i see
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[9:18] <DarkWell> hmm
[9:18] <surfn_> can someone help me find a wiring diagram for a 5V 8channel relay
[9:18] <DarkWell> are you serious about using quassel as a bnc ?
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[9:21] <DarkWell> i only have terminal access to the machine im going to run the bnc on ( its a raspberry pi, yes ) and i have nothing else than just ssh connection to it
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[9:22] <surfn_> Like I said, I can't really do this myself, as I'm colourblind and I need someone to help walk me through it.
[9:23] <surfn_> sorry.
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[9:23] <surfn_> well, not sorry. It's just if someone has a few minutes, I'd really appreciate it
[9:25] <DarkWell> maybe works through terminal only with the core, also hope it has OTR support
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[9:36] <surfn_> its the resistors I can't figure out
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[9:39] <surfn_> do I even need resistors?
[9:39] <surfn_> can I just drive the board without them?
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[9:48] <gordonDrogon> surfn_, still on that relay board - I take it you actually bought it then?
[9:48] <surfn_> gordonDrogon: I bought it weeks ago
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[9:48] <surfn_> still waiting for it to arrive
[9:49] <surfn_> But like I say, I don't understand what resistors to use because I'm colourblind and I can't understand what I'm supposed to use
[9:50] <gordonDrogon> Get a good multimeter.
[9:50] <gordonDrogon> the resistors are mentioned - 2.2K and 10K
[9:50] <surfn_> do I need them?
[9:50] <gordonDrogon> but its going to cost you more to build that board than it cost you to buy the relay board )-:
[9:51] <gordonDrogon> yes, you need them -along with the transsitor.
[9:51] <gordonDrogon> because that relay board is a 5v relay board and not a 3.3v one.
[9:51] <surfn_> so on the ebay page it says it needs: Each one needs 15-20mA Driver Current
[9:51] <gordonDrogon> however... there seems to be a few different models of that relay board - I've seen several.
[9:51] <gordonDrogon> got a link to the one you bought?
[9:52] <Jck_true> Hmm What about just buying one of thoose deadcheap SPI level converters? Do you need to control more than 3 relays?
[9:52] <gordonDrogon> Jck_true, the level converters don't supply enough current usually.
[9:53] <gordonDrogon> it all depends on the input to the relay board - some use opto isolators, some don't.
[9:53] <Jck_true> I just recall seeing one that would draw 150mA
[9:53] <gordonDrogon> so if I knew what model it was ...
[9:53] <surfn_> gordonDrogon: this model http://www.ebay.com/itm/180822479761?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649
[9:54] <gordonDrogon> ok - that one has opto isolators.
[9:55] <gordonDrogon> you might get it to work by connecting them directly to the Pi's GPIO. Setting the GPIO to an output and writing 0 will turn it on.
[9:55] <gordonDrogon> make sure the Vcc for he optos is connected to 3.3v though - the relays still need to be powered from 5v.
[9:55] <gordonDrogon> you can increase the drive strength of the Pi's GPIO with the command: gpio drive 0 7
[9:56] <gordonDrogon> (if youhave wiringPi installed)
[9:56] <gordonDrogon> I don't recommend this though.
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[9:56] <gordonDrogon> Personally I'd (a) buy a 3.3v relay board, or (b) use a ULN2803 rather than transistors and resistors.
[9:57] <surfn_> gordonDrogon: I didn't understand any of that
[9:57] <surfn_> opto isolators?
[9:57] <surfn_> writing 0 ?
[9:58] <surfn_> 3.3v? powered from 5v?
[9:58] <gordonDrogon> Sorry. I don't have time this morning to explain. maybe google can help, but I think you need to leanr a bit more about basic electronics too. This is not plug and play by any stretch - and I guess you're using relays to power 230v stuff - so take a lot of care there ..
[9:58] <surfn_> I've googled the hell out of it, and I can't find any simple diagrams.
[9:59] <surfn_> you seem to know what I'm looking for do you have a min to give a quick goog for me?
[9:59] <surfn_> I'm keen to learn - just can't find what I'm looking for
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[10:01] <gordonDrogon> opto isolator - LED plus a detector - provides physical isolation from big votlage to little votlage.
[10:01] <gordonDrogon> the LED side has a resistor that's designed to work from a 5v supply.
[10:01] <gordonDrogon> it may work from a 3v supply, but who knows.
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[10:02] <gordonDrogon> the uln2803 has 8 of those transitor + 2 resistor combinations inside it.
[10:02] <gordonDrogon> one chip.
[10:04] <surfn_> so the VCC do I connect to a 5V on the Raspi?
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[10:31] <Darkwell> figured that if you set say server as for sintance leguin.freenode.net it seens znc in raspbian cannot resolve the hostname properly, but if you look up the ip as in ipv4 and put it in the config it works..
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[10:59] <gazzwi86> chod: how would that work?
[10:59] <gazzwi86> I assume it would be a specified distro and predetermined peripherals?
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[11:18] <hitecnologys> hello everyone
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[11:27] <hitecnologys> I have a problem: I'm trying to connect my laptop to rpi via network cable. I've set the same subnet masks on both of them and connected them via normal cable but neither laptop not rpi doesn't respond to ping from the other side. Rpi runs archlinux. What I did wrong?
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[11:28] <hitecnologys> s/not/nor
[11:29] <nid0> how ancient is the laptop?
[11:29] <hitecnologys> mb air '11
[11:29] <hitecnologys> I don't think it's very old
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[11:31] <hitecnologys> I'm using Dlink usb networking card but it works ok, I've already tested it to rule it out
[11:31] <nid0> whats the card
[11:31] <hitecnologys> dub-e100
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[11:31] <hitecnologys> it can't crossover?
[11:32] <plugwash> you say you set the subnet masks the same, did you actually set IP addresses in the same subnet?
[11:32] <plugwash> and did you confim that the devices actually have those IP addresses?
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[11:32] <plugwash> (e.g. using ifconfig)
[11:32] <hitecnologys> plugwash: yep, and are in the same net (mask is
[11:33] <hitecnologys> plugwash: yep, ifconfig says ips are ok
[11:33] <nid0> the card is fairly old but should support mdix, have you actually tried using a crossover rather than patch cable though?
[11:33] <ioryogi> Sure you are pinging out the right NIC on the laptop if on wifi?
[11:34] <plugwash> And are you sure the subnet you used for this hookup is different from the one you used for any other network interfaces you laptop has
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[11:34] <hitecnologys> nid0: I don't have and I'm not sure if I need one so I asked here to bu sure
[11:35] <hitecnologys> plugwash: yep, I'm pretty sure
[11:35] <plugwash> A crossover cable shouldn't be needed because the Pi's ethernet controller does auto MDIX
[11:35] <plugwash> but I'm at a loss to explain why your setup isn't working
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[11:36] <hitecnologys> so, problem is somewhere between my macbook and rpi if everything set up correctly?
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[11:37] <[deXter]> Problem *is* the macbook. It's an Apple product, get rid of it, all your problems will be solved. :)
[11:38] <ioryogi> Hummm... Have your checked SSH or other connection? Not sure if that distro has some default firewall rules re:ping.
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[11:39] <hitecnologys> [deXter]: thinking about for last two months, but I'm not quite sure what to buy instead of it
[11:40] <hitecnologys> ioryogi: I tried connecting rpi to my router and it worked (responded to ping and ssh connection)
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[11:46] <ioryogi> Well if the pi is statically configured it should just work. You can get DHCP to either export or pass through by turning in internet sharing on the MacOS side.
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[11:48] <hitecnologys> ioryogi: macos seems to be configured right too, I'm trying to connect rpi to my linux computer right now
[11:50] <linuxstb> hitecnologys: On your mac, what does "route get" show (assuming that's the IP of your Pi)
[11:50] <linuxstb> I guess the important line will be "interface" - is it routing via the correct device?
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[11:53] <hitecnologys> linuxstb: I tried to traceroute but it looks like packet never reaches rpi or rpi ignores it, tried disabling wifi card too but it gave no result
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[11:55] <Alfihar> I'm doing the same thing, OSX (MacBook Pro) to RPi directly via ethernet cable, the only thing I had to do was set the IP Address and subnet mask on both machines and
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[11:56] <linuxstb> hitecnologys: Yes, but what about that command?
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[12:01] <hitecnologys> linuxstb: I've already disconnected stuff. Could you wait for about 15m so I can test it on linux pc?
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[12:07] <hitecnologys> ah, got problem connecting to linux pc so tried on hackintosh and it looks like it doesn't work there too
[12:08] <hitecnologys> linuxstb: route get says it uses proper interface
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[12:10] <linuxstb> hitecnologys: Hmm, OK. And what does "ifconfig eth0" display on the Pi?
[12:12] <hitecnologys> linuxstb: you want all output or specific line?
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[12:15] <gazzwi86> I just bought a Edimax EW 7811Un
[12:16] <linuxstb> hitecnologys: Just the second line I think - the one starting "inet"
[12:16] <gazzwi86> I doesnt seem to be working though
[12:16] <gazzwi86> with wicd anyhow… how can I debug it?
[12:17] <hitecnologys> linuxstb: inet netmask broadcast
[12:18] <linuxstb> hitecnologys: And the same line from the ifconfig command on the Mac - e.g. "ifconfig en1". This is just to confirm the IPs are right - sorry for starting with all the obvious things! Also, what OS is your Pi running?
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[12:19] <hitecnologys> linuxstb: inet netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast
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[12:21] <linuxstb> hitecnologys: OK. I guess the last thing is the route on your Pi. Try /sbin/route -n - it should just be 1 or 2 lines of actual data
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[12:22] <gazzwi86> I'm getting an issue with my wifi adapter: Cannot find device "wlan0"
[12:23] <gazzwi86> lsusb shows it fine thoough
[12:23] <hitecnologys> linuxstb: destination: gateway: genmask: flags: U metric: 0 ref: 0 use: 0 iface: eth0
[12:23] <hitecnologys> gazzwi86: have you loaded correct kernel module?
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[12:24] <linuxstb> hitecnologys: Hmm, that all looks fine. My only suggestion are firewalls on your Pi or Mac, or a broken cable.
[12:25] <gazzwi86> hitecnologys: it appears so… I was following the instructions her: http://www.savagehomeautomation.com/projects/raspberry-pi-installing-the-edimax-ew-7811un-usb-wifi-adapte.html
[12:27] <hitecnologys> linuxstb: okay, thank you. I'll try to connect it to my friend's computer tomorrow
[12:27] <linuxstb> gazzwi86: Does "dmesg" show anything related to it?
[12:28] <gazzwi86> linuxstb: its dos mention the usb wifi adapter
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[12:28] <gazzwi86> linuxstb: I have wick installed also. Would that be causing any issues with this? I'm trying to get it to come up via command line on boot automatically
[12:29] <gazzwi86> wicd* sorry
[12:29] <linuxstb> I've no idea, never used it. I don't think you need that for it to come up automatically
[12:30] <hitecnologys> gazzwi86: does lsmod show that right module loaded?
[12:30] <gazzwi86> hitecnologys: not sure what i would be looking for there Iv just been following a tutorial
[12:31] <linuxstb> The tutorial tells you ;) Type "lsmod" and look for 8192su
[12:31] <linuxstb> Sorry, I meant 8192cu
[12:31] <gazzwi86> 8192cu is there
[12:32] <gazzwi86> few
[12:32] <gazzwi86> :)
[12:32] <gazzwi86> iwconfig shows wlan1
[12:32] <gazzwi86> not wlan0
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[12:32] <hitecnologys> try wlan1 then
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[12:34] <gazzwi86> I just got this: http://pastebin.com/cCrLCcr5
[12:35] <gazzwi86> with the PSK is that a plain text password or do i need to run it through wpa_passphrase
[12:35] <hitecnologys> hm, I have no idea what may be wrong.
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[12:37] <jm|laptop> hello :)
[12:37] <hitecnologys> jm|laptop: hi
[12:37] <jm|laptop> has anyone tried a Pi as a ipsec VPN endpoint? I'm looking at about five users, 8M max throughput
[12:38] <RaTTuS|BIG> camera is fucking cool
[12:39] <RaTTuS|BIG> oops ignore myt freench
[12:39] <ozzzy> I'd be happy if I could get the pi to redirect the ports created by usb-serial adapters
[12:39] <Draylor> 8MB/s throughput on a pi? good luck :)
[12:39] <ozzzy> no joy yet... but I'm getting closer
[12:39] <jm|laptop> :)
[12:40] <gazzwi86> Is there anything else I can try?
[12:41] <hglm> gazzwi: are you sure all wireless packages are installed? Like iw and wireless-tools?
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[12:44] <gazzwi86> not sure about iw but I'm sure wireless tools are… I can reinstall, whats the package hglm
[12:44] <gazzwi86> Also, I have put all my config and outputs here: http://pastebin.com/u5TeMuxY
[12:47] <hglm> gazzwi, /etc/network/interfaces looks wrong, should be wlan1 instead of wlan0
[12:48] <Darkwell> someone rnu znc and have modtcl running on it ?
[12:49] <gazzwi86> hglm: doesn't seem to work
[12:49] <gazzwi86> I changed that and then ran sudo ifup wlan1
[12:49] <gazzwi86> Ignoring unknown interface wlan1=wlan1.
[12:50] <gazzwi86> ifup: interface wlan0 already configured
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[12:54] <hglm> gazzwi: try doing sudo ifdown wlan0 and sudo ifdown wlan1 first or reboot.
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[12:55] <hglm> Also any reason why you are not using "iface wlan1 inet dhcp"? Do you need roaming?
[12:55] <gazzwi86> hglm: that was my original setup. just went tithe what was in the tutorial
[12:57] <hglm> If you only use your wireless router you don't need roaming.
[12:59] <hglm> You can specify your WPA password directly in the /etc/network/interfaces. That's how it's on my system.
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[13:07] <gazzwi86> Its working!!
[13:07] <hitecnologys> reboot helped?
[13:07] <gazzwi86> I made that change and had the password in plain text took all down and then 1 up and boo
[13:07] <gazzwi86> m
[13:07] <gazzwi86> no reboot
[13:07] <hitecnologys> lol
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[13:12] <gazzwi86> Thanks for your help all!
[13:12] <gazzwi86> I was getting really stressed...
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[14:09] <Duality> hi
[14:09] <Duality> is there a way for me to see what ip my pi gets when i connect it through a shared connection on debian ?
[14:10] <pksato> Duality: pi have a monitor/tv/etc?
[14:10] <mgottschlag> shared connection means that the other system has a dhcp server?
[14:11] <mgottschlag> then you should find the IP in some logs, for example /var/log/syslog
[14:11] <Duality> pksato: no not at the moment
[14:11] <pksato> if use dhcp on debian, see dhcp log.
[14:11] <pksato> dhcpd the server.
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[14:11] <pksato> arp, arp -a command.
[14:12] <Duality> ah nice
[14:12] <Duality> syslog has it :)
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[14:14] <Duality> thanks!
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[14:34] <T0ndermere> cd /var/
[14:34] <T0ndermere> ls
[14:34] <T0ndermere> whoops
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[14:36] <ShiftPlusOne> whoops: command not found
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[15:29] <Grievre> OK weirdness: my raspberry pi is connected via an i2c-friendly level shifter to a bus of 18 microcontrollers. When the microcontrollers are powered /off/ the pi will refuse to boot unless I physically disconnect it from the i2c bus. Sometimes.
[15:29] <Grievre> but once the pi has booted everything works just fine no matter what I do
[15:30] <Grievre> and by "refuse to boot" it gets to the point in the boot process where it would detect the ethernet card and just sits there. Doesn't hard-lock, the cursor's still blinking, it just doesn't continue in the boot process
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[15:33] <pksato> Grievre: make boot process more verbore (remove quiet from cmdline.txt)
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[15:35] <pksato> and VERBOSE=yes on /etc/default/rcS
[15:36] <pksato> now, you can see more messages, and figure out when boot process hangs.
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[15:44] <harris> djazz,
[15:44] <harris> johnc-,
[15:44] <KameSense> gordonDrogon: thanks again for your gpio tool. RasPi + CUPS + tea4cups + gpio = printer that switches on/off on demand \o/
[15:44] <harris> anyonne good with hardware
[15:44] <gordonDrogon> KameSense, glad it's working for you!
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[15:45] <harris> amstan__, !
[15:45] <amstan__> no!
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[15:45] <gordonDrogon> harris, KameSense appears to be good with hardware ;-)
[15:45] <amsta> he's still here, sigh
[15:45] <harris> KameSense, is this a good first project http://usualpanic.com/2013/05/raspberry-pi-internet-radio/
[15:45] <gordonDrogon> top tip: hold your soldering iron by the cool end ...
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[15:46] <KameSense> gordonDrogon: that's so nice because I don't have to run to switch my printer on, and the Pi switches it off automatically after ~30min idle. This is an old LaserJet4 that consumes 55W when idle
[15:46] <gordonDrogon> harris, should be easy to put together..
[15:47] <harris> do you have any cheaper easier suggestions
[15:47] <gordonDrogon> KameSense, ah yes. I have an HP4600c that sucks 30w even when in idle. that's a very good idea.
[15:47] <gordonDrogon> harris, easy+cheap: https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/gpio-examples/tux-crossing/
[15:48] <KameSense> I wrote it down in French on my blog if you want
[15:48] <Encrypt> Hum...
[15:48] <Encrypt> Looking for an auto-off circuit?
[15:48] <KameSense> You should be able to understand the scripts anyway
[15:48] <KameSense> http://www.kamesense.com/wp/?p=299
[15:48] <KameSense> and I can even translate if needed
[15:49] <harris> i have only used my pi for programming i have never done hardware
[15:50] <gordonDrogon> harris, get a breadboard, some leds, resistors & buttons and off you go.
[15:50] <Encrypt> KameSense, Well done :)
[15:50] <harris> do they sell them in a cheap bundle pack
[15:50] <gordonDrogon> harris, if in the UK, then: http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/starter-kita-for-raspberry-pi-pi-not-include-p-1070.html
[15:50] <Encrypt> KameSense, BTW, I found that to switch on and off loudspeakers automatically: http://www.electrobob.com/auto-amp/
[15:51] <harris> no im in usa
[15:51] <KameSense> Encrypt: nice idea too !
[15:52] <Encrypt> I think I'll build it...
[15:52] <Encrypt> This could even be a good "market solution"
[15:53] <KameSense> :)
[15:53] <Encrypt> To build plugs like that for home cinemas
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[15:53] <Encrypt> It's a shame he didn't produce it...
[15:53] <Encrypt> Many persons could be interested
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[15:53] <harris> gordonDrogon, usa
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[15:54] <gordonDrogon> harris, ok. look at the adafruit site - they have stuff like that too.
[15:54] <Triffid_Hunter> Encrypt: signal-triggered switches are pretty easy to make, just need a window comparator, a normal comparator, some passives and a relay
[15:55] <harris> encrypt left Triffid_Hunter
[15:55] <harris> gordonDrogon, do i nead a pi cobbler
[15:55] <Triffid_Hunter> bah
[15:55] <KameSense> I built a "power" case for the Pi : https://plus.google.com/photos/115465092995514676662/albums/5872685170122742193?banner=pwa
[15:56] <harris> gordonDrogon, i need a step by step guide
[15:56] <gordonDrogon> harris, Not specifically, but a breadboard with some female to make jumpers will get you going.
[15:56] <KameSense> including the 2-way relay
[15:56] <gordonDrogon> *male.
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[15:56] <gordonDrogon> adafruit don't seem to have a package like skpang does.
[15:57] <gordonDrogon> but if you can find the bits, then go for it.
[15:58] <harris> i would like to spend less than $30
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[16:00] <pagios> hello, is there any way of setting a password on the console when accesing the device via usb?
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[16:01] <jelly1> wut
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[16:01] <pagios> currently i can access the board via usb for debugging purpose
[16:01] <pagios> i would like to secure that access with a user/pass
[16:02] <harris> gtg bye
[16:02] <harris> bbl
[16:02] <gordonDrogon> harris, http://www.adafruit.com/products/64 + http://www.adafruit.com/products/826 + http://www.adafruit.com/products/367 + http://www.adafruit.com/products/299 +
[16:02] <harris> ok
[16:02] <gordonDrogon> some resistors.
[16:02] <jelly1> pagios: how do you connect via usb to the pi?
[16:02] <gordonDrogon> that would get you going.
[16:02] <harris> ty
[16:03] <pagios> usb to serial
[16:03] <harris> anything else
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[16:03] <jelly1> gordonDrogon: fun!
[16:03] <jelly1> pagios: ofcourse
[16:03] <jelly1> pagios: hmm doesn't taht prompt a login prompt?
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[16:03] <pagios> no it doesnt
[16:03] <pagios> there is like an autologin
[16:03] <jelly1> aha
[16:03] <jelly1> pagios: no clue sorry, google might help
[16:04] <gordonDrogon> I don't think adafruit sells resistors...
[16:04] <gordonDrogon> oh well.
[16:04] <Twist-> radioshack does.
[16:04] <gordonDrogon> I just don't know enough about US base onlineshops to sell that sort of stuff.
[16:04] <Twist-> In a giant $15 bag
[16:05] <Twist-> Also, $4 for 25 leds is silly
[16:05] <Twist-> http://www.circuitspecialists.com/bag-red3mm.html
[16:05] <jelly1> indeed
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[16:05] <jelly1> Twist-: ofcourse adafruit isn't the cheapest ;)
[16:05] <Twist-> jelly1: I do make a point of buying from adafruit if I'm using her tutorials
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[16:06] <jelly1> hmm
[16:06] * jelly1 still has to buy a breadboard + sensors
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[16:12] <Twist-> jelly1: if you're in the states, circuitspecialists has decent prices
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[16:21] <amsta> gordonDrogon: digikey?
[16:22] <gordonDrogon> amsta, don't know - I live in the UK.
[16:22] <amsta> gordonDrogon: what about rs then? aren't they uk? and electronicsy?
[16:22] <gordonDrogon> I was just trying to make some suggestions for harrie to get started with breadboard & simple leds/buttons, etc.
[16:23] <gordonDrogon> amsta, I don't have issues buying stuff from myself in the UK. it's all nice & next day here. Small components can be bought over the counter if I'm desperate at Maplin, next day from a few good places and next day from Farnell for bulk stuff.
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[16:27] <ukscone> digikey or mouser are good if you are in the usa,
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[16:29] <ukscone> if you are willing to cross the threshold and don't mind paying a bit over the odds radioshack is ok bricks&mortor store for simple common stuff or amazon even for online if you are desperate or have a giftcard already
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[16:35] <linuxstb> Anyone know if there is any documentation or discussion of firmware updates apart from the commit messages on github?
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[16:37] <ShiftPlusOne> linkxs, if it's something major, there might be a message from dom on the forum, but that's rare. So AFAIK, there's no real changelog around.
[16:40] * linuxstb guesses that was for him ;)
[16:40] <linuxstb> Thanks, yes, I've just found this about a recent commit - http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=43875
[16:40] * ShiftPlusOne guesses he should stop doing that >_<
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[16:43] <linuxstb> The RPi people can be annoyingly secretive at times ;)
[16:43] <[deXter]> It's not the RPi people, it's the Broadcom people.
[16:43] <ShiftPlusOne> I suppose a detailed changelog might make it too easy for the reverse engineering folks.
[16:44] <linuxstb> [deXter]: Is there a difference?
[16:45] <ShiftPlusOne> There's a big difference and a small overlap.
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[16:46] * linuxstb isn't convinced
[16:46] <[deXter]> linuxstb, Broadcom is a traditional business, who's main goal is to make profit.
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[16:48] <ShiftPlusOne> linuxstb, do you think that if they wanted to open source the GPU or even provide documentation which they would have signed and NDA for, they would be able to continue making the pi without running into legal trouble?
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[16:51] <linuxstb> ShiftPlusOne: No, this isn't about open sourcing the GPU firmware (although of course that would be nice), just that it would be good if they were more open about what they were working on and giving more details about changes - i.e. have a more "open source" attitude about things.
[16:54] <ShiftPlusOne> Not when it comes to the firmware though, since they don't own it or have the permission to. Unless you're not talking about the gpu at all. I know people have complained about them being quiet about the usb problems a while back and such...
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[17:02] <linuxstb> ShiftPlusOne: Yes, I'm talking about the GPU firmware.
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[17:05] <steve_rox> hmm i hate updateing the rpi , it destroyed itself again
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[17:17] <str8> why are the image files so large?
[17:20] <ShiftPlusOne> Because they have stuff on them. An install cd may compress things or download stuff off the net. That's not the case with these images... they contain the entire system already installed.
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[17:27] <Bushmills> because they correspond to the size of file system, being a 1 to 1 match. uncompressed images, that is
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[17:30] <axelm7> hi guys, got a Model B 512MB with the recommended raspbian armhf distro. How can I check if logrotate is running correctly?
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[17:33] <axelm7> I wrote some rules in /etc/logrotate.d but they are not being applied. I'd like to know how to make sure logrotate is running. There doesn't seem to be a logrotate service.
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[17:33] <icementhols> hi all
[17:34] <ShiftPlusOne> ahoy
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[17:35] <icementhols> anyone having issues with the camera? i can take photos, but when i take a video the network connection drops and i have to reboot it.
[17:35] <icementhols> this is the 256 model b
[17:35] <ShiftPlusOne> might be more of a forum question
[17:36] <icementhols> really? im not really asking for support here, just curious if anyone has experienced this
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[17:37] <IT_Sean> icementhols: Not many people here have hands on experiance with the camera module yet. As it was only released a couple of days ago. The forum offers a more permanent place for your question, and it may gather the attention of someone from The Foundation there, as well.
[17:38] <IT_Sean> That said, you are free to ask any questions you want here.
[17:39] <icementhols> no probs, i understand.
[17:39] <ShiftPlusOne> Not that many people have them, out of the 400+ people on here, most are afk, asleep or don't care. Most of the people who have them won't run into that specific kind of problem. So that really makes a helpful answer unlikely =(. Worth a shot, but the forum might be better.
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[17:42] <troulouliou_dev> hi for the pi hard fpu or soft fpu is at the os level ; not at the application right ?
[17:42] <troulouliou_dev> i mean i have raspbian hard fpu or soft fpu
[17:43] <ShiftPlusOne> I think it's the other way around.
[17:43] <Triffid_Hunter> troulouliou_dev: yeah it's an OS level thing.. in theory they can coexist but in practice it changes how certain function calls are made or something like that, not sure of the specifics
[17:43] <ShiftPlusOne> Each application needs to be re-compiled. The kernel does not determine whether it's hard or soft fpu.... if that's the sort of thing you're asking.
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[17:43] <ShiftPlusOne> Ah ok, I misunderstood the question then, sorry.
[17:44] <troulouliou_dev> Triffid_Hunter, how can i check if i ve installed the hard fpu or soft fpu ?
[17:45] <Triffid_Hunter> troulouliou_dev: gcc -dumpmachine
[17:45] <Triffid_Hunter> mine says arm-linux-gnueabihf
[17:47] <gordonDrogon> wow. wiringPi v2 actually works :)
[17:47] <gordonDrogon> gpio -x mcp23017:100:0x20 mode 106 out ; gpio -x mcp23017:100:0x20 write 106 0
[17:47] <gordonDrogon> turns on the Red backlight LED on the Adafruit display!
[17:48] <troulouliou_dev> Triffid_Hunter, ok mine too have been confused by the uname -a that says armv6l
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[17:50] <troulouliou_dev> Triffid_Hunter, can you output uname -a ?
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[17:53] <troulouliou_dev> ok uname -m reports the endianness in fact
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[17:57] <Laurenceb> http://www.daveakerman.com/?attachment_id=1079 <- a couple of tits
[17:57] <johnc-> predicting either a: a picture of 2 birds or b: a picture of two immature men
[17:58] <johnc-> close enough
[17:58] <ShiftPlusOne> I had my money on the birds and lost. =(
[17:59] <Laurenceb> http://www.daveakerman.com/?attachment_id=1076
[17:59] <Laurenceb> wrong one
[18:00] <ShiftPlusOne> =/
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[18:01] <IT_Sean> Am i here?
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[18:02] <ShiftPlusOne> That drunk?
[18:02] <IT_Sean> My network is all squidgy this morning,
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[18:02] <Laurenceb> too much information
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[18:02] <IT_Sean> keep dropping.
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[18:08] <MalMen> hello, i am here with a problem, i am using arch.. when screen go stand by (black screen) and then i start to mooving the mouse the screen stay black, and looks like i am cleaning the screen with the mouse
[18:09] <MalMen> only will clean the image where i pass with the mouse
[18:09] <steve_rox> i think i had that once
[18:09] <MalMen> what did you do ? :)
[18:09] <steve_rox> its like painting the black off the screen in mouse movement
[18:09] <MalMen> yes, exaclty that
[18:09] <MalMen> i am using arch-linux + X
[18:10] <steve_rox> i dunno i just forced the display to refresh i spose
[18:10] <MalMen> how do you force screen to refresh ?
[18:10] <steve_rox> i was lookin for a solution to disable screen blanking
[18:10] <MalMen> ys, i looked for that too, but i dont found anything yet
[18:10] <steve_rox> i found one that works dureing a X session
[18:11] <steve_rox> but when you exit to term i think it return s
[18:11] <MalMen> its strange, if i connect to raspberry with vnc the screen lookts fine
[18:11] <MalMen> only on the fisical screen show that black things
[18:12] <steve_rox> i think when i was in the file manager i presssed f5 which made it refresh
[18:12] <steve_rox> i might be wrong tho its been some time since i had the issue
[18:13] <steve_rox> looks like omxplayer got updated i think
[18:13] <MalMen> i am using it to remote desktop only
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[18:14] <steve_rox> vnc remote?
[18:14] <HelenaKitty> Hello I accidentally corrupted raspberrypi-bootloader and want to copy a fresh copy over to my SD card but I can't find it.
[18:15] <HelenaKitty> My raspberry pi wont boot.
[18:15] <steve_rox> i just got that from aptitude
[18:15] <Triffid_Hunter> steve_rox: disable screen blanking for terminal, setterm -blank 0 -powersave off. for X, xset s off; xset -dpms
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[18:15] <[Saint]> HelenaKitty: its all in the github repo
[18:15] <HelenaKitty> okies
[18:15] <steve_rox> when i used xset it kept saying cant open display X
[18:15] <HelenaKitty> [Saint], Where is that?
[18:16] <HelenaKitty> I've been googling for ages!
[18:16] <HelenaKitty> :(
[18:16] <[Saint]> raspberrypi+github didn't occur to you as a search term?
[18:16] <steve_rox> when i broke my bootloader i copied a older one over from another sd and it worked :-)
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[18:16] <[Saint]> HelenaKitty: https://github.com/raspberrypi
[18:16] <HelenaKitty> steve_rox, Well I don't have another SD> lol
[18:17] <steve_rox> hmmz
[18:17] <[Saint]> HelenaKitty: obviously you want the 'firmware' repo there.
[18:17] <steve_rox> it still shouldent be too bad , you may want to save config.txt rather than replaceing it
[18:17] <[Saint]> individual files therein should be obvious.
[18:18] <[Saint]> https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/tree/next
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[18:22] <steve_rox> great the rpi doesent output sound now , i shouldent of updated agh
[18:22] <[Saint]> works for me.
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[18:23] <Libresavoir> The new RP-Camera sounds good for aerial photographs .. any idea how to get it up in the air?
[18:23] <IT_Sean> attach it to as raspi. attach raspi to something that goes up in the air?
[18:23] <IT_Sean> balloon? large RC airplane? quadcoptor?
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[18:24] <ShiftPlusOne> Libresavoir, how far up in the air? Are we talking about the space station or the roof of your house here?
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[18:25] <steve_rox> dgen is outputting sound , its just omxplayer thats lost it
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[18:26] <gordonDrogon> there's a great project I want to emulate at some point - some chap made a big ball with many cameras on it - throws it up in the air and as it passes apogee it takes a photo on all cameras at once. needs accelerometer to detect that though - some some rubber to stop it crashing when it lands - if it's not caught...
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[18:27] <gordonDrogon> wish I could remember his original page on it though...
[18:27] <ShiftPlusOne> Ah, I've seen things like that. They're used to make environment maps for 3d work as well.
[18:27] <steve_rox> yup something werid going on with omxplayer
[18:28] <steve_rox> anyone tryed this latest version?
[18:28] <gordonDrogon> ah, looks like there may be several now: e,g, http://www.techhive.com/article/241960/throw_this_camera_ball_to_take_a_360_degree_panoramas.html
[18:29] <IT_Sean> I saw that a while back on hackaday, gordonDrogon.
[18:29] <IT_Sean> It looked awesome.
[18:29] <HelenaKitty> okies
[18:30] <HelenaKitty> I copied the boot dir over to /boot on the SD card
[18:30] <HelenaKitty> yes I did it right
[18:30] <steve_rox> guess ill try revert omxplayer versions
[18:30] <HelenaKitty> the device still wont boot
[18:30] <HelenaKitty> I thought that's all I had to do O.o
[18:30] <gordonDrogon> yea, that has 2Mp cameras - imagine it with the Pi's 5Mp camera. (it is 5MP, isn't it?)
[18:30] <steve_rox> did you ever get it to boot?
[18:30] <HelenaKitty> steve_rox, yes
[18:30] <HelenaKitty> like I said...
[18:30] <HelenaKitty> I corrupted the bootloaded
[18:31] <HelenaKitty> infact /boot was empty
[18:31] <steve_rox> so whats it do now when you turn it on? black screen?
[18:31] <IT_Sean> gordonDrogon: 'sept that you will need a pi for each camera.
[18:31] <HelenaKitty> APT had wiped everything out of it
[18:31] <Libresavoir> ShiftPlusOne: something inexpensive, for flights up to 10 meters ...
[18:31] <IT_Sean> a large kite?
[18:31] <HelenaKitty> Gah!
[18:31] <IT_Sean> a weather balloon?
[18:32] <IT_Sean> A Klingon bird of prey?
[18:32] <HelenaKitty> How do I get it to boot?
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[18:33] <ShiftPlusOne> HelenaKitty, Unless you understand the boot process a little, it might be easier to just re-flash the card from scratch.
[18:33] <HelenaKitty> ShiftPlusOne, I want to do it this way
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[18:34] <steve_rox> omxplayer performance appears terrible too
[18:34] <Libresavoir> weather ballon? It would be nice to control the flight, but that will only work with RC
[18:34] <ShiftPlusOne> HelenaKitty, ok, what happens when you power up, just the red LED?
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[18:34] <HelenaKitty> ShiftPlusOne, Yep
[18:34] <ShiftPlusOne> HelenaKitty, how big are the firmware files you downloaded?
[18:35] <malcom2073> Libresavoir: quadcoptor!
[18:35] <Libresavoir> will be the best, but the most expensive
[18:35] <IT_Sean> I believe i did mention that option above. :p
[18:35] <malcom2073> You can build one sub $200 nowadays
[18:36] <HelenaKitty> ShiftPlusOne, no bigger than 22897kb
[18:36] <HelenaKitty> according to ls -la
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[18:36] <Libresavoir> IT_Sean: :p
[18:36] <ShiftPlusOne> HelenaKitty, did you put them on the fat32 partition on the sd card or /boot of the ext partition?
[18:36] <HelenaKitty> ShiftPlusOne, in /boot
[18:36] <HelenaKitty> ofc
[18:36] <malcom2073> standard RC helicopter. They have them for less than $100, can probably handle hauling a rpi up
[18:37] <Libresavoir> malcom2073: I remember something from parrot ...
[18:37] <ShiftPlusOne> HelenaKitty, they need to go on the fat32 partition.
[18:37] <IT_Sean> You would need a pretty large one to handle the raspi, the camera, and a battery for the raspi
[18:37] <IT_Sean> remember, you need to POWER the raspi
[18:37] <HelenaKitty> ...
[18:37] <HelenaKitty> ShiftPlusOne, Are you sure?
[18:37] <ShiftPlusOne> HelenaKitty, 100%
[18:37] * HelenaKitty sighs
[18:37] <HelenaKitty> okies
[18:38] <IT_Sean> HelenaKitty: ShiftPlusOne is the raspi whisperer. He knows of what he speaks.
[18:38] <ShiftPlusOne> HelenaKitty, if you check fstab, the fat32 partition is mounted on /boot when your pi starts.
[18:38] <HelenaKitty> okies
[18:38] <HelenaKitty> :/
[18:38] <ShiftPlusOne> IT_Sean, apart from the times I think I know what I am talking about and end up making most of it up.
[18:39] <IT_Sean> lol
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[18:40] <HelenaKitty> ShiftPlusOne, There is still a red light :/
[18:40] <HelenaKitty> and yes
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[18:41] <HelenaKitty> I see em all there on the fat32 partition
[18:42] <steve_rox> yup i was right , the latest omxplayer does not output sound
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[18:42] <Libresavoir> This sounds interesting: http://techcrunch.com/2013/02/06/the-teeny-tiny-crazyflie-nano-quadcopter-is-available-for-pre-order/
[18:42] <steve_rox> so i installed a old version and it works perfect
[18:42] <ShiftPlusOne> HelenaKitty, how did you corrupt the bootloader?
[18:42] <Libresavoir> But it will only lift 10 g
[18:42] <HelenaKitty> ShiftPlusOne, APT was updating and the pi ran out of space when it was updating libraspberrypi
[18:43] <ShiftPlusOne> That should not have affected the firmware on the fat32 partition, so this is kind of odd.
[18:43] <troulouliou_dev> raspberry-bootloader package is the blob firmware ?
[18:43] <ShiftPlusOne> HelenaKitty, because what you're describing sounds like the complete lack of bootcode.bin or an unreadable (by the pi) sdcard
[18:44] <HelenaKitty> ShiftPlusOne, Not really.
[18:44] <HelenaKitty> it was there
[18:44] <HelenaKitty> but APT removed a bunch of img files
[18:44] <HelenaKitty> and now they're back
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[18:46] <ShiftPlusOne> I give up then. At this point I'd take a back up of the important files you need and re-flash. But if you did everything right and you're accurately describing what's happening, then even reflashing might not work.
[18:46] <HelenaKitty> O.o
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[18:47] <ShiftPlusOne> and damn that quadcopter is nice.
[18:47] <HelenaKitty> ShiftPlusOne, I guess I should back up /bin, /etc, /lib, /sbin and /usr
[18:47] <HelenaKitty> because I don't want to reinstall everything again :(
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[18:48] <ShiftPlusOne> HelenaKitty, I think you'll have to. If you'd like I could ssh in and give it a go to make sure everything is right, but I wouldn't recommend letting a random stranger ssh in 'course.
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[18:49] <HelenaKitty> ShiftPlusOne, How do you SSH in when nothing will boot? O.o
[18:49] <Libresavoir> ShiftPlusOne: And Open-Source ...
[18:49] <ShiftPlusOne> I meant your pc where you have the card mounted now.
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[18:57] <steve_rox> no one else tryed the latest omxplayer yet?
[19:00] <steve_rox> ill take that as a no i guess
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[19:00] <ShiftPlusOne> safe bet
[19:00] <steve_rox> well i couldent get it to output sound and its performance was terrible over lan vid files
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[19:02] <steve_rox> thats omxplayer 0.2.6
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[19:10] <Aivaras> I am remembering somehting badly or there was somewhere raspbian image that was smaller, with no GUI?
[19:11] <IT_Sean> well... you can set raspbian to not boot into a gui automatically.
[19:12] <ShiftPlusOne> Aivaras, http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=42667
[19:12] <Aivaras> IT_Sean, key word is "small" :))
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[19:12] <Aivaras> ShiftPlusOne, Thanks :)
[19:13] <ShiftPlusOne> Good luck, you might run into problems you wouldn't have if you used the official image.
[19:13] <ShiftPlusOne> But it may be a better starting point than getting the full image and removing the bloat, as some people do.
[19:14] <ShiftPlusOne> There are also tools to roll your own, if you're into that kind of thing.
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[19:14] <Elspuddy> question, whats a good wifi card for the pi ??
[19:14] <Aivaras> I used arch before just because it's clean.
[19:14] <ShiftPlusOne> Aivaras, why the switch then?
[19:15] <chithead> Elspuddy: http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals#USB_Wi-Fi_Adapters
[19:15] <Elspuddy> thanks :)
[19:15] <Aivaras> ShiftPlusOne, Good question. :D I use arch in PC, but debian on servers... raspberry is for raspbian. :D
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[19:16] <ShiftPlusOne> Aivaras, up to you, but arch works great on the pi as well (just have to be careful with firmware updates sometimes).
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[19:18] <steve_rox> my pi likes to self destruct on update sometimes
[19:18] <steve_rox> like today it broke its boot loader
[19:19] <ShiftPlusOne> steve_rox, hm, might be the problem HelenaKitty is seeing as well then. Is the current 'master' firmware broken?
[19:19] <steve_rox> i updated from aptitude
[19:20] <steve_rox> and it paused on moveing some file
[19:20] <steve_rox> i had no choice but to force restart
[19:20] <steve_rox> then it was unbootable
[19:20] <ShiftPlusOne> ah, that's not it then.
[19:20] <steve_rox> so i had to repair it which was fun
[19:21] <steve_rox> then i had to fix omxplayer
[19:21] <steve_rox> lucky i had a old deb file
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[19:24] <Aivaras> may anyone could recomend any cheap solution to control monitor's LVDS inteface?
[19:26] <pksato> cheap as $40?
[19:26] <Aivaras> cheap as as cheap as it can be. :D
[19:27] <Aivaras> The only option is 40$ controllers with HDMI?
[19:27] <pksato> or dvi.
[19:27] <pksato> search ebay
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[19:28] <IT_Sean> Aivaras: any sort of LVDS adapter will have to be specific to the panel you are driving. There is no true "universal" solution.
[19:29] <Aivaras> IT_Sean, sicne there is a lot of panels, how I have to find a right one controller? I need one with dual channel control
[19:30] <IT_Sean> You will need to find one that is compatable with the specific LCD panel you are using.
[19:31] <pksato> (board+firmware)+cable+inverter+psu=~$40
[19:31] <Aivaras> and since I am in europe - a bit more expensive. :D
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[19:34] <Aivaras> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LVDS-VGA-LCD-screen-Controller-Board-Test-Kit-for-B156HW02-V5-V0-V1-B156HW01-40P-/321112443178?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4ac3cb092a
[19:35] <Aivaras> damn it's in china. :/
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[19:38] <gordonDrogon> Hm. adafruit lcd display is noticably slow over the I2C bus compared to one directly connected.
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[20:16] <taqutor> Hello. Does the Pi have a soundcard?
[20:16] <taqutor> or chip
[20:16] <IT_Sean> Yes. The Pi has two audio outputs. An analog headphone jack, and audio over HDMI.
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[20:18] <taqutor> Ah, I didn't know that was proof of it having a soundchip
[20:18] <taqutor> I thought it could just as well have been software
[20:18] <hglm> I am correct in assuming that the audio is prone to break-up in apps because of the Pi's lack of speed?
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[20:19] <taqutor> So.. would it be safe to assume that I could connect the Pi to a tiny speaker set, install a Linux distro on it, and then use it to create a musical toy?
[20:20] <IT_Sean> That would be a safe assumption.
[20:20] <ozzzy> it works for me
[20:20] <gordonDrogon> taqutor, yes.
[20:20] <taqutor> What about power for hte speaker as well as the input for the toy?
[20:20] <taqutor> the*
[20:20] <ozzzy> my pi sees my 16K mp3s over the network and plays them into a set of computer speakers just fine
[20:20] <taqutor> would the pi be able to handle that through its USB power input?
[20:21] <gordonDrogon> the 3.5mm output is headphone level - you need a small amplifier to drive a speaker.
[20:21] <ozzzy> yep... plug powered speakers into it
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[20:21] <ozzzy> and it's actually way too low for headphones
[20:21] <ozzzy> I could hardly hear my earbuds in the pi
[20:21] <gordonDrogon> however you can make it procude some sort of sounds and tones using a piezeo disc thing, or a high impedance speaker..
[20:21] <Triffid_Hunter> ozzzy: I've put headphones on my pi, had to turn the vol down to -30db to avoid deafening myself
[20:22] <ozzzy> hmmm
[20:22] <taqutor> Could the Pi conduct more electricity if given more?
[20:22] <gordonDrogon> you can also generate tones and squawks using the gpio pins :)
[20:22] <taqutor> Or is there a cap or whatever?
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[20:22] <Triffid_Hunter> taqutor: if you feed it too much, it just curls up and dies
[20:22] <taqutor> :(
[20:22] <taqutor> Poor Pi...
[20:22] <taqutor> it caved in....
[20:23] <Triffid_Hunter> taqutor: you can however help it distribute the power better, like this: http://triffid-hunter.no-ip.info/101_0120.JPG
[20:23] <taqutor> Triffid_Hunter: I'm not experienced enough to do hardware modification yet. First and foremost I just want to experiment with softare
[20:23] <taqutor> but I'm gonna order an electronics kit
[20:23] <taqutor> and start doing soldering and stuff
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[20:23] <Triffid_Hunter> taqutor: get an arduino too :)
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[20:24] <Triffid_Hunter> taqutor: strongly suggest you get a soldering iron with real temperature control- not fixed power and not power control. you can tell because they have actual temperatures written on them
[20:24] <taqutor> Triffid_Hunter: the arduino looks too complex for me
[20:24] <taqutor> im pretty stupid.
[20:24] <taqutor> Triffid_Hunter: Alright, will do. Noting that down in my list :)
[20:24] <Triffid_Hunter> taqutor: rpi isn't any simpler
[20:24] <taqutor> Well, the rpi is a computer
[20:25] <taqutor> with typical pc inputs and outputs, right?
[20:25] <taqutor> thats the diff afaik?
[20:25] <Slash_Fury> So here's what my Pi currently looks like http://i.imgur.com/4KTwCh2.jpg :)
[20:25] <Triffid_Hunter> taqutor: sure, but for driving the GPIOs and things, as far as I know they ported the arduino system to the rpi
[20:26] <taqutor> Slash_Fury: that's cool as heck, but that's what im afraid my device will end up looking like
[20:26] <Slash_Fury> Need to do some cutting on the metal enclosure so I can properly mount a few things, but it's coming along pretty well
[20:26] <taqutor> Triffid_Hunter: well alright, ill buy it then!!!!
[20:26] <taqutor> happy?!
[20:26] <taqutor> :D
[20:26] <taqutor> d'oh
[20:26] <taqutor> there are like, a gazilion versions
[20:27] <taqutor> I don't think I get what the Arduino is. I always thought it was just Raspberry Pi-
[20:27] * ozzzy plays with C*
[20:27] <taqutor> I'm reading the definition but
[20:27] <ozzzy> er.. C* Music
[20:27] <Triffid_Hunter> taqutor: fwiw, the rpi and arduino complement each other nicely.. the rpi is great at networking, video, sound, etc and the arduino is excellent at talking to other electronics
[20:27] <taqutor> it's not helping me visualize what it is
[20:27] <taqutor> Is it a sensor? Is it a controller? Is it a motherboard?
[20:27] <taqutor> A microcomputer?
[20:27] <taqutor> :/
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[20:28] <Triffid_Hunter> taqutor: if you want to generate a specific sort of signal, eg to drive a hobby servo or talk to addressable RGB leds, the arduino is way better than the rpi
[20:28] <ozzzy> arduino is a development board with a microcontroller on it
[20:28] <Triffid_Hunter> taqutor: arduino is a microcontroller development board
[20:28] * gordonDrogon finds that a Pi is perfectly capable of driving RGB LEDs and servos ...
[20:28] <Slash_Fury> taqutor: I'll add my own definition :) The simplest way to use and think of an Arduino is like this: you can hook up sensors to talk to it.
[20:28] <Triffid_Hunter> taqutor: but if you want to take a video feed and do something useful with it, you need the rpi because the arduino can't handle that much data
[20:30] <taqutor> Well, I still don't understand anything. I mean, I get that it handles I/O... but um.. I'm not seeing it in a context where the Pi wouldn't be better/more multifaceted
[20:30] <taqutor> why are there a billion different arduino versions for example?
[20:31] <taqutor> Told you I was stupid ;)
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[20:32] <Triffid_Hunter> taqutor: not sure, I've only paid attention to the mega2560 and the uno
[20:32] <gordonDrogon> there are a billion different people who wan a billion different things.
[20:32] <taqutor> :o
[20:32] <Triffid_Hunter> taqutor: rpi only has one pwm output, arduino mega has like 10.. rpi has no analog inputs that I know of, arduino mega has 16
[20:32] <taqutor> Well, I don't know anything about hardware so that's not telling me much.
[20:32] <taqutor> I mean
[20:32] <Triffid_Hunter> taqutor: rpi has about 14 gpio? arduino mega has >60
[20:33] <gordonDrogon> rpi can use any of its pins as PWM output.
[20:33] <taqutor> I don't think I should dabble with more than the Pi right now
[20:33] <taqutor> what you're talking about is probably above me
[20:33] <Triffid_Hunter> gordonDrogon: all at the same time, at different rates?
[20:33] <ozzzy> I generally use softpwm with the pi
[20:33] <gordonDrogon> Triffid_Hunter, yes.
[20:34] <gordonDrogon> I can even make it do PWM via SPI GPIO expanders...
[20:34] <taqutor> well, thanks for the info pals
[20:34] <gordonDrogon> one mans hardware is another mans software ...
[20:36] <Slash_Fury> Moving all of my torrents over to my Pi is going to take quite some time, considering it's hooked up to a wireless g network, lol
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[20:42] <ShadowJK> usb key might be faster
[20:42] <IT_Sean> sneakernet ftw
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[20:48] <axelm7> hi guys, I bought an RPi and the seller said it had 512 MB. However, free -h shows 231. I guess I got screwed, right?
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[20:48] <Slash_Fury> Sneakernet is the bestnet
[20:48] <gordonDrogon> axelm7, does the board have 2 holes in it?
[20:48] <Slash_Fury> Really, I could walk over, pick it up, and bring it over here to hardwire it
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[20:48] <Slash_Fury> But I am lazy and not bothered, lol
[20:48] <axelm7> 2 holes
[20:49] <gordonDrogon> axelm7, then it very probably has 512 and needs the gpu memory spit changing.
[20:49] <Slash_Fury> ^
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[20:49] <Slash_Fury> axelm7: I have the first revision and using just 32mb for video, my RAM total is 184M
[20:49] <axelm7> I used the split option from raspi-config and it never mentioned 512
[20:49] <Slash_Fury> Errr, 64*
[20:50] <Triffid_Hunter> axelm7: edit /boot/config.txt
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[20:52] <Slash_Fury> Oh wait, I actually should be set up at 32mb for video, as I'm using the default of the minimal image
[20:52] <Slash_Fury> It streamed 720p video surprisingly well for that split ;D
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[20:52] <zleap> nice
[20:52] <axelm7> what about it? It's full of commented lines except for the frequency settings
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[20:53] <Slash_Fury> axelm7: you can define how much RAM is used for video in there
[20:53] <Slash_Fury> axelm7: look for a line that says gpu_mem=
[20:53] <axelm7> raspi-config offers 4 settings 240,224,192 and 128. There is no mention of 512ish
[20:54] <zleap> ah
[20:54] <zleap> ah its - not _
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[20:54] <Slash_Fury> I'd try setting gpu_mem=64, reboot, and see how much free says you have
[20:55] <zleap> i need to change my resolution
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[20:55] <hglm> axel: have you upgraded Raspbian? Versions prior to about November didn't recognize 512MB.
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[20:56] <Slash_Fury> I wish I had a 512MB version :'(
[20:56] <axelm7> I have the old armel image
[20:56] <axelm7> I need it for Mono which does not support armhf
[20:57] <axelm7> guess I gotta upgrade everything first
[20:57] <Slash_Fury> axelm7: this might work for you http://hubcitylabs.org/unlocking-your-new-raspberry-pis-512mb-of-memory/
[20:57] <mrmoney2012> help… got my lovely camera board to try - but using a headless pi, so i hook it up to a TV and boot it… it gets as far as My IP address is 192.168.bla.bla… but then stops at flashing cursor… i.e. no login prompt !!! - i can ssh in but no way t login on TV ?
[20:58] <mrmoney2012> i reckon i disabled it maybe at some point but can;t remember how ...
[20:58] <zleap> Slash_Fury, i have the rev 1 too
[20:58] <Slash_Fury> zleap: welcome to the cool-kids club ;D
[20:59] <zleap> :)
[20:59] <zleap> thanks
[20:59] <mrmoney2012> how might i get my login prompt back ! :-) ? what fires it up ?
[20:59] <zleap> been playing with min ecraft, works nicely trying to run python scrips with it
[21:00] <Slash_Fury> I haven't messed around with Minecraft on it. I've mostly just been setting up XBMC and transmission on it, along with a character display.
[21:00] <zleap> ah
[21:00] <Slash_Fury> Was considering setting up a RADIUS server for playing around with my networking practice
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[21:01] <zleap> i am trying to run mod the script on the programmingpi website that displays blocks, and get the script to ask me which block to use
[21:01] <zleap> getting there slowly
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[21:06] <zleap> hello
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[21:07] <mumbles> ok guys an idea has just filterd though. could you make a pinhole camera with the pi's camera module ?
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[21:09] <zleap> should be able to
[21:09] <mumbles> yeh.
[21:09] <zleap> if you put the module in box
[21:09] <zleap> with a pin hole in and line it up
[21:09] <mumbles> trying to convice my dad that its a good idea.
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[21:09] <zleap> why not try it
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[21:10] <mumbles> just need to talk him into ordaing one
[21:10] <zleap> can you not test with a normal webcam and pc
[21:11] <zleap> does't a pinhole camera rely on long exposure
[21:11] <mumbles> yeh thats the onley thing thats wrong with my thoughts i think
[21:12] <zleap> wel you take pics of say mars via a telescope by taking lots of pics and combine them
[21:12] <mumbles> also - another idea - self service photo station for prom nights
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[21:12] <zleap> hmm
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[21:12] <mrmoney2012> fixed… i had clobbered rc.local
[21:12] <zleap> hmm use cheese
[21:13] <mrmoney2012> i can't get a picture now from camera on the tv screen ! the LED is on though… a start
[21:13] <zleap> that does photos, and you can add effects you just need to be able to print
[21:14] <mrmoney2012> just hangs when i do raspistill - connected it wrong ?
[21:14] <zleap> what is in any logs
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[22:08] <deed02392> hello everyone
[22:08] <deed02392> I'm wondering if it's feasible to implement/emulate a USB keyboard with the GPIO pins?
[22:11] <laumars> if you ran them in parallel then i can't see why not (there's enough pins to represent the bits on an ASCII character)
[22:11] <KiltedPi> not sure what you mean deed
[22:11] <laumars> not sure why you'd want to though
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[22:12] <deed02392> I'm thinking it would be rather awesome to turn the RPi into an extremely cheap KVMoIP
[22:12] <KiltedPi> You mean plug in a USB keyboard to a GPIO?
[22:12] <deed02392> To do that, we'd need to be able to implement a virtual keyboard/mouse in the RPi
[22:12] <mumbles> what about synergy ?
[22:12] <johnc-> but the pi has usb slots?
[22:12] <deed02392> johnc-, these are USB Host ports
[22:12] <mumbles> http://synergy-foss.org/
[22:13] <deed02392> mumbles, that's not equivalent
[22:13] <mumbles> first thing that poped into my head
[22:13] <pksato> deed02392: but, and emulate vga input too?
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[22:14] <deed02392> pksato, yeah that's where it would get tricky
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[22:14] <deed02392> for me, I just want to be able to enter my pre-boot encryption key when I turn my system on remotely
[22:15] <pksato> but, vga are obsolete, HDMI is on way.
[22:15] <deed02392> I could do that without needing visual guidance, then once it's booted I have other means of remotely connecting
[22:15] <mumbles> talking about kvm's whats the point in having one when the damm leads keeps falling out
[22:15] <deed02392> So for me what I reall want is purely KoIP
[22:15] <laumars> you can't get the input. the HDMI and composite are outbound and the GPIO wouldn't really work for video input
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[22:15] <deed02392> heh
[22:15] <deed02392> Yeah I can appreciate that laumars
[22:15] <deed02392> As I said I'm not too bothered about video, just keyboard
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[22:16] <deed02392> So what about acting as a USB client?
[22:16] <deed02392> and on top of that, implementing a keyboard controller in software
[22:16] <laumars> however if this is just for Linux / UNIX systems, then you can use a USB to hook that into the server's COM / USB port and you'd basically have a cheap console server
[22:16] <pksato> deed02392: get a old usb/ps2 keyboard, some CD4066 Chips, and wire key lines to GPIO.
[22:17] <deed02392> That's a good idea pksato
[22:17] <deed02392> not sure what a CD4066 is
[22:17] <deed02392> but if I can get a USB keyboard controller, I could figure out which connections to it represent which keypresses
[22:17] <johnc-> I'm very lost as to what you actually hope to achieve o.0
[22:18] <pksato> or, use some avr to emulate USB HID.
[22:19] <deed02392> Probably simpler to modify an existing controller...
[22:19] <pksato> ps/2 signaling is able to emulate with rpi gpio.
[22:20] <deed02392> there is already a software stack to enable it pksato ?
[22:20] <deed02392> or do you mean technically possible, given switching frequency limits
[22:20] <pksato> only need 3v3<->5V level converter.
[22:20] <pksato> deed02392: NO.
[22:21] <pksato> no sw. you need to program.
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[22:22] <deed02392> i've got a kb controller here, it takes 23 inputs from the key array though
[22:22] <deed02392> why would I need a level converter pksato ?
[22:23] <deed02392> ps/2 logic voltage is 3v3?
[22:23] <pksato> RPi is a 3v3 device, and ps/2 are 5V.
[22:23] <deed02392> ah I thought the pi was 5V too
[22:23] <pksato> NO. RPi is 3v3.
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[22:24] <pksato> 5V are to power USB ports.
[22:24] <deed02392> http://playground.arduino.cc/Main/PS2Keyboard
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[22:27] <pksato> pc keyboard (ps/2 at/xt) are implemented around a 8bit micro controler 8042 (or similar number, a 1970s design).
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[22:29] <deed02392> it looks like implementing a ps/2 keyboard in software should be quite simple, and lots of material out there to refer to (see above arduino implementation)
[22:31] <deed02392> the arduino one references avr/io.h avr/interrupt.h and avr/pgmspace.h
[22:32] <deed02392> guessing I would have to rewrite those to use the RPi GPIO headers?
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[22:38] <gordonDrogon> is there any reason you can't simply use a usb adapter?
[22:39] <deed02392> such as?
[22:40] <gordonDrogon> first hit on google: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Belkin-USB-PS-2-Adapter/dp/B0006BA2SI
[22:41] <johnc-> people still have ps/2 mice and keyboards?
[22:41] <deed02392> what problem does that solve exactly?
[22:41] <gordonDrogon> johnc-, yes, I'm using a ps/2 keyboard right now!
[22:41] <pksato> gordonDrogon: deed02392 want to emular a keyboad device. not to connect kb to rpi.
[22:42] <gordonDrogon> oh. ok.
[22:42] <gordonDrogon> so make a Pi pretend it's a ps/2 keyboard to some other device?
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[22:42] <pksato> but, this adapter can e used too.
[22:42] <deed02392> yeah gordonDrogon
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[22:43] <pksato> emulate ps/2 and use ps/2->usb to connect to a usb port on computer/server.
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[22:44] <deed02392> indeed pksato
[22:44] <deed02392> my equipment still has PS/2 inputs fortunately, but might be useful for laptops
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[22:45] <pksato> aNd use a webcam to see the monitor. :)
[22:45] <gordonDrogon> well the protocol is trivial enough - clocked data - 11 bits for each key.
[22:45] <gordonDrogon> so to write a program on the Pi to simulate keydown/up events ought to be fairly straightwaords.
[22:45] <deed02392> hey that's not a bad idea at all pksato !
[22:46] <gordonDrogon> http://www.computer-engineering.org/ps2protocol/
[22:46] <deed02392> yeah I was reading that the other week gordonDrogon, I think you're right
[22:46] <pwillard> PS/2 was elegantly simple... fatal flaw... required a special socket on Motherboard. Long term plan obviously was to unify everything to be common connectors... downside... USB is wickedly complex... so I never toss out an old PS/2 device... Microcontroller code to the rescue... keyboard/mouse gets new life.
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[22:47] <gordonDrogon> deed02392, the stumbling block is the bi-directional nature of it...
[22:48] <deed02392> i'm just thinking how clock sync might be achieved
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[22:51] <gordonDrogon> for sending from Pi to remote just bit-bang it.
[22:51] <gordonDrogon> a 40�S delay is easy to achieve.
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[22:52] <gordonDrogon> there is potential for jitter though but it seems to have 10�S either side leeway.
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[22:53] <deed02392> apparently you can get in the MHz with the GPIO pins
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[22:55] <steve_rox> looks like my rpi trashed its fs while i was out of the room
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[22:55] <deed02392> so I doubt jitter will be too much of a problem?
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[22:58] <gordonDrogon> deed02392, yes, I know...
[22:59] <gordonDrogon> the jitter will come from Linux doing something else while your program is running, but if you run it as a real-time task at high priority, then that effect is very much lessened.
[22:59] <gordonDrogon> see the piHiPri() function in wiringPi for more details...
[22:59] <deed02392> that's useful, thanks
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[23:38] <axelm7> Fixed my 256/512mb issue by upgrading my packages. Thanks guys for helping
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