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IRC Log for 2013-05-20

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[0:01] <plugwash> yeah we run it on archive.raspbian.org
[0:02] <plugwash> what kind of questions do you have?
[0:02] <devslash> ok i installed it on my pi running arch linux
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[0:03] <devslash> i also installed php-fpm and ran it
[0:03] <devslash> but it doesn't seem to server php pages
[0:03] <devslash> this is the server block of my nginx.conf http://pastebin.com/T1eTR868
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[0:07] <plugwash> trying moving "root /srv/http/;" outside of the "location /" block
[0:07] <devslash> ok
[0:09] <devslash> that causes an error when i try to start nginx
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[0:12] <devslash> nm
[0:12] <devslash> i made a mistake and i think its working now
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[0:57] <harris> hi
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[1:02] <KiltedPi> Hello!
[1:02] <Phosie> Hi there
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[1:06] <harris> \hi!!!!!!!!!!!!
[1:06] <harris> anyone here play clash of clans
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[1:13] <Phosie> harris: nope
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[2:08] <harris> back
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[2:44] <[Saint]> Whoah...thanks for that.
[2:44] <[Saint]> I was in SUCH suspense waiting.
[2:44] <[Saint]> I can go on with my life now ;)
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[3:01] <\\Mr_C\\> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QflPyzIdNs&feature=youtu.be
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[3:10] <[Saint]> Hey, \\Mr_C\\, protip: Sanitize your links, yo. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QflPyzIdNs&feature=youtu.be == http://www.youtube.com/v/QflPyzIdNs
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[3:11] <[Saint]> No one wants unskippable ads or unviewable/geo-fenced content.
[3:11] <[Saint]> (compare the links and spot the difference)
[3:11] <chithead> the content providers do
[3:12] <\\Mr_C\\> oh
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[3:12] <\\Mr_C\\> was going to say that man is exteremly smart
[3:12] <\\Mr_C\\> unlike me
[3:12] <\\Mr_C\\> im not so smart
[3:12] <[Saint]> Hmmmm...I appear to have broken it. Bum.
[3:13] <[Saint]> WHat!?! WHy isn't google api working for this link.
[3:14] <[Saint]> Well...la de dah...here I am trying to be all Mr Ad-Skipper and mess it up. :-S
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[3:17] <[Saint]> What!?! Gah! its not working for that *one* link...
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[3:19] <[Saint]> Oh. Derp. I accidentally stripped the first "-", my script doesn't account for that.
[3:19] <[Saint]> Back to the drawing board.
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[3:20] <[Saint]> http://www.youtube.com/v/-QflPyzIdNs
[3:20] <[Saint]> huzzah.
[3:22] <\\Mr_C\\> hehe
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[3:24] <[Saint]> the awesome thing about google api for youtube is that there's none of this "not available in your locale", "sign in to confirm your age", or waiting for unskippable ads to finish just to view the content.
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[4:29] <Triffid_Hunter> [Saint]: if you want to skip all of youtube's noise, http://triffid-hunter.no-ip.info/video_download
[4:30] <[Saint]> Triffid_Hunter: I have a chrome extension I built that automagically does all the conversion for me.
[4:30] <[Saint]> I just messed it up slightly and it couldn't deal with a leading "-"
[4:31] <[Saint]> I care not for downloading said videos. Youtube hosts them so I don't have to :)
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[4:32] <Triffid_Hunter> [Saint]: *shrug* well you have to download them to watch them.. whether or not you store them is another matter. easy to modify the script to wget ... -O - | mplayer - ;)
[4:32] <Triffid_Hunter> or even use a named pipe
[4:32] <[Saint]> I stream *everything* these days. Such are the joys of disposable internet.
[4:33] <[Saint]> I understand the theory behind downloading, but it is simply more practical for me to stream on demand.
[4:34] <Triffid_Hunter> heh I use my video folder like a set of youtube bookmarks because my script saves the hash into the filename
[4:34] <Triffid_Hunter> also I frequently rewatch things and here in australia we have download quotas :/
[4:35] <[Saint]> If I *didn't* have fast, un-capped, "true unlimited" internet...I would definitely do so, and I used to, but I pay for the connection I have so I don't need to anymore.
[4:35] <[Saint]> The space the media takes up isn't worth the trivial amount of time it takes to rebuffer.
[4:35] <Triffid_Hunter> [Saint]: heh there's no true unlimited here last time I checked
[4:36] <[Saint]> There's *one* here. :)
[4:36] <Triffid_Hunter> lots of companies have been sued for false advertising over "unlimited" though
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[4:36] <[Saint]> Indeed. Here too. There's only a single "unlimited" plan. I've had it for a few years, grandfathered now.
[4:36] <[Saint]> AFAIK they're not taking any more customers on this plan.
[4:37] <Triffid_Hunter> heh don't let go of it then
[4:37] <[Saint]> No sir ;)
[4:38] <yehnan> Hi, which software component is responsible for setting desktop background image? In Raspbian(LXDE), is it the window manager(Openbox)?
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[4:40] <Triffid_Hunter> yehnan: looking.. I invoke xsetbg from ~/.config/autostart/ on my laptop, not sure where it's called from on the rpi
[4:42] <yehnan> Triffid_Hunter: well...I used the wrong wording. Q: who is responsible for displaying the desktop bg image?
[4:43] <[Saint]> fwiw, I understood the wording.
[4:43] <[Saint]> But, I can see how Triffid_Hunter went the other way with it.
[4:44] <[Saint]> yehnan: I believe it is the job of the DE to set such things, not the window manager.
[4:45] <yehnan> [Saint]: and the name? LXDE?
[4:45] <[Saint]> yehnan: well, that depends entirely on what DE you're using.
[4:45] <[Saint]> If you never changed it, and you're using raspbian, it will be LXDE, yes.
[4:45] <yehnan> [Saint]: I use Raspbian and LXDE.
[4:46] <yehnan> [Saint]: I thought LXDE(desktop environment) is a collection of software. In wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LXDE , it says that LXDE consists of several components.
[4:47] <yehnan> [Saint]: Then, is there a software component also called LXDE? I don't see it.
[4:47] * [Saint] is unsure of what yehnan is asking
[4:48] <yehnan> [Saint]: LXPanel is responsible for the bottom task panel. Quite understandable. Openbox(window manager) is for manaing windows.
[4:48] <yehnan> [Saint]: who is for desktop bg image and the program shortcuts on desktop?
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[4:49] <[Saint]> lxappearance is probably (read _probably_) responsible for the desktop and icons, etc.
[4:50] <[Saint]> lxshortcut looks like it handles the desktop icons.
[4:50] <[Saint]> see for yourself: http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/lxde
[4:51] <yehnan> [Saint]: hmm...thanks. I see.
[4:51] <[Saint]> Hmmmm, yes. lxappearence handles themeing, lxshortcut handles desktop shortcuts.
[4:52] <[Saint]> totally unsurprising naming scheme there :)
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[4:57] <pksato> yehnan: any software capable to 'write' to root windows can be used to set desktop backgound, like xsetroot, xsetbg, and most image viewers. On start of lxde, lxsession set bg.
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[4:59] <[Saint]> Oh? lxsession handles it? My mistake. I assumed the theme management system would do so.
[5:00] <[Saint]> Perhaps both are capable of doing so. It makes sense the theme manager should be able to set the backdrop to me at least.
[5:00] <yehnan> pksato: thanks a lot.
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[5:01] <pksato> for more specific, lxappearance .
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[5:03] <ozzzy> http://togastro.com/ozzzy/images/bye.JPG <-- a Canon DSLR in LiveView mode over a wireless link from the RPi to a Win7 machine
[5:04] <[Saint]> ...of a plastic patio chair? :)
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[5:06] <ozzzy> actually... it's a shower seat with a telescope on it... but I didn't focus... just wanted to see if the video made it
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[5:09] <devslash> I've got raspberry pi installed on an 8gb sd card and want to upgrade to a 32gb sd card. if i flash the 8gb image how do i expand it to use the full space ?
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[5:10] <ozzzy> sudo raspi-config
[5:10] <ozzzy> there's a menu item to expand it
[5:13] <devslash> i can't use raspi-config.
[5:13] <devslash> i have arch linux.
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[5:15] <ozzzy> oh
[5:15] <ozzzy> ah well
[5:15] <[Saint]> gparted can do it trivially.
[5:15] <KiltedPi> devslash- you are talking about expanding a partition
[5:16] <devslash> yea
[5:16] <KiltedPi> Is it on linux or windows
[5:16] <devslash> well mac
[5:16] <KiltedPi> Computer Management is what you need in Windows
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[5:16] <KiltedPi> Gparted or something similiar in linux
[5:17] <KiltedPi> You've got the Raspbian OS installed- on your RaspberryPi?
[5:17] <KiltedPi> But you want the Mac OS on it?
[5:17] <devslash> no
[5:18] <KiltedPi> I don't know anything about mac's, I'm in I.T.
[5:18] <devslash> i have arch linux on my pi but if i need to expand it on something other than the pi, it'd be a mac
[5:18] <devslash> same as linux mostly
[5:19] <KiltedPi> Yeah, I don't know about Mac's at all.
[5:19] <KiltedPi> I think I used them in school when I was a kid.
[5:20] <KiltedPi> Well I don't know what you would use, but it will be 'partition management' you'll want to google or something
[5:20] <KiltedPi> Here you go: http://www.macintosh-software.net/tools/mac-partition-manager.php
[5:21] <KiltedPi> Disclaimer- I have no idea whether it will work
[5:21] <KiltedPi> Apple mac's deliberately make their software as incompatible with linux and windows as they can, so you have to buy their proprietary stuff tho.
[5:22] <KiltedPi> I would imagine they couldn't 'take the micky' out of something as simple as managing partitions tho
[5:23] <hydroxygen> devslash, I wamt to do a imular thing but with openELEC in a pi, so when u find out how , let me know too
[5:24] <devslash> on a mac as well ?
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[5:24] <hydroxygen> no.i make sd with windows ..macbuntu might do what u want
[5:24] <pksato> is very simple to resize ext3/ext4 partition, not need noting special.
[5:24] <devslash> i found this: http://ivanx.com/raspberrypi/
[5:25] <KiltedPi> what pksato said
[5:25] <KiltedPi> Its not a pi related thing
[5:25] <pksato> can use some tools to do it easy. but, can do manualy.
[5:25] <KiltedPi> Its a hard drive thing.
[5:25] <KiltedPi> Your mac is just a PC. I hate to be the one to tell you, but you bought a PC but paid %2000 more for its operating system
[5:25] <KiltedPi> :(
[5:26] <KiltedPi> I'm assuming you weren't given the mac, so thats not entirely fair
[5:26] <KiltedPi> Like, I was given an ipad.
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[5:26] <KiltedPi> I gave it to my missus so she can google, and check facebook.
[5:29] <hydroxygen> still no answer..just its easy to do..
[5:29] <KiltedPi> http://www.macintosh-software.net/tools/mac-partition-manager.php
[5:29] <KiltedPi> I linked this
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[5:30] <KiltedPi> nobody here uses a mac- but download that bad boy
[5:30] <KiltedPi> And you need an 'Extended partition'
[5:30] <KiltedPi> Make it bigger basically.
[5:30] <KiltedPi> You need some software to do what you're asking.
[5:31] <KiltedPi> Gparted in linux, Computer Management does it for windows- But for a mac, try this: http://www.macintosh-software.net/tools/mac-partition-manager.php
[5:31] <KiltedPi> Its not pi-related you see?
[5:31] <KiltedPi> Its a hardware thing.
[5:31] <KiltedPi> You have a 'hard drive' in your computer, thats where the (physical) memory is
[5:31] * KiltedPi is sorry if he sounds patronising
[5:32] <KiltedPi> You need to access the HD through that software
[5:32] <KiltedPi> Expand the partition.
[5:32] <KiltedPi> So open it up, and it will have your drives, like C:/
[5:33] <KiltedPi> C:/ is usually your main partition
[5:33] <KiltedPi> When you plug your wee raspberry in, it will appear to, check out which letter it has as designation
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[5:38] <hydroxygen> can windows do that with computer management / dick management ?
[5:38] <devslash> I've got an idea what to do
[5:39] <hydroxygen> disk*
[5:39] <KiltedPi> crikey!
[5:39] <KiltedPi> :)
[5:39] <hydroxygen> my lights are 3watt leds..and keyboard is small
[5:39] <devslash> when i first installed arch linux on an 8gb card, i expanded it directly in arch on my pi while it was booted up
[5:39] <KiltedPi> You'll get a warning, they are total nazi's about swearing here. (Trust me I'm Scottish)
[5:39] <KiltedPi> It's fair enough rly. Raspberry is for kids
[5:40] <hydroxygen> i used to clone small drives into large drives..so imagine would work the same with the prgm i used then
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[5:40] <KiltedPi> it will take a very long time with 512 mb on the pi
[5:40] <KiltedPi> Do it with a second computer. Or Max
[5:41] <KiltedPi> Or mac*
[5:41] <KiltedPi> Take you two secs externaly
[5:41] <KiltedPi> Cloning a drive is something diff tho
[5:42] <KiltedPi> You are just wanting to extend the partition
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[5:43] <KiltedPi> so all that 'un-allocated' space is getting used
[5:43] <hydroxygen> disk copy 2.3 is what i used to clone before..making a clone of a sd with all u have into a larger one would be the ticket..and not lose anything
[5:44] <KiltedPi> You want to back up now?
[5:44] <KiltedPi> I don't follow
[5:44] <KiltedPi> You can back up a whole SD card, sure!
[5:44] <[Saint]> From earlier...if the pi boots...then why on earth resize the partition on another system?
[5:44] <[Saint]> gparted can do this trivially, as I stated.
[5:45] <hydroxygen> depends on when it happens.. if its full of additions and lets say 'music files' and upgrades..why loose everything..so cloning it would be better then losing everything and starting over.
[5:45] <KiltedPi> does it take long from inside the pi, [Saint]?
[5:45] <[Saint]> No.
[5:45] <KiltedPi> there you go then, chaps
[5:45] <KiltedPi> Boot up your pi
[5:45] <[Saint]> A matter of seconds.
[5:45] <KiltedPi> Run 'Gparted'
[5:45] <KiltedPi> Have a wee look at your partitions there
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[5:45] <KiltedPi> probably say something like ".ext3"
[5:46] <KiltedPi> You'll have your main one-
[5:46] <KiltedPi> And you will want to extend it out
[5:46] <KiltedPi> use up all your un-allocated space
[5:46] <KiltedPi> Backing up is something different
[5:46] <KiltedPi> You want to take the image off your SD card-
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[5:47] <KiltedPi> And stick it somewhere safe on your wee mac
[5:47] <KiltedPi> They are different things, like.
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[5:47] <KiltedPi> Backing up is cloning your wee chap.
[5:47] <KiltedPi> And putting a copy somewhere-
[5:47] <KiltedPi> and expanding the partition is 'giving you more' memory
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[5:48] <[Saint]> You don't even need gparted, but, peoiple like GUIs.
[5:49] <KiltedPi> Aye
[5:49] <KiltedPi> These fellers use macs tho
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[5:49] <KiltedPi> So I thought lets not get into BASH
[5:49] <[Saint]> "sudo resize2fs /dev/mmcblk0p<insert_partition_number_here>" will do exactly what you want.
[5:49] <KiltedPi> what is it
[5:49] <KiltedPi> aye
[5:50] <[Saint]> On arch, this is almost certainly mmcblk0p2
[5:50] <KiltedPi> aye, fire up terminal if you are really brave chaps
[5:50] <KiltedPi> get stuck in.
[5:50] <KiltedPi> You might break somehting. but thats the point i suppose
[5:50] <KiltedPi> not physically break
[5:50] <[Saint]> From what I remember of the source thereof, all raspi-config does is make a call to resize2fs
[5:51] <KiltedPi> But you might have to re-flash
[5:51] <hydroxygen> resize2fs will be used.. thanks.ill ask more when the 32gb arrives
[5:52] <KiltedPi> good man!
[5:52] <KiltedPi> Get stuck in
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[5:52] <[Saint]> "sudo resize2fs /dev/mmcblk0p2 && sudo shutdown -r now"
[5:52] <[Saint]> basically.
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[5:52] <[Saint]> You need the reboot to make sure the changes apply.
[5:52] <KiltedPi> Shutdown now though?
[5:52] <KiltedPi> Maybe a timer? or is it instant?
[5:52] <[Saint]> note the r flag.
[5:52] <KiltedPi> Ah!
[5:52] <KiltedPi> roger that
[5:53] <[Saint]> I suppose you could just do sudo reboot, but I've always used shutdown myself.
[5:53] <KiltedPi> time for me to shutdown guys
[5:53] <KiltedPi> :)
[5:53] <[Saint]> o/
[5:53] <KiltedPi> "Sudo shutdown human now"
[5:53] <KiltedPi> Nite!
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[5:54] <hydroxygen> i remember when 32k was alot of ram
[5:54] <[Saint]> No one needs more than 640K RAM!
[5:54] <[Saint]> :P
[5:55] <hydroxygen> we charged $150 for each 16k
[5:55] <hydroxygen> ^^ bill gates ..640k lol
[5:55] * [Saint] recallshis friends being jealous of his HUGE 32MB HDD
[5:56] <hydroxygen> how about ibm's 10mb ..and then upgraded to 20mb ..was a huge investment
[5:56] <[Saint]> WHen the platter spun up it behaved like a gyroscope. You could feel it fighting against any attempts to tilt it sideways :)
[5:56] <[Saint]> The platter weighed a ton.
[5:56] <hydroxygen> like a 10: circular saw
[5:58] * [Saint] wonders if there are any plans to release a raspbian image based on the 'next' branch.
[5:58] <[Saint]> Or, alternatively, when the next release will be made.
[5:58] <hydroxygen> my last update/upgrade is most stable ..
[5:59] <[Saint]> Right, but, there's *quite* a jump between the master and next branches wrt: kernel
[5:59] * hydroxygen feels like a beta tester
[6:00] <[Saint]> and apt-get up{date|grade} won't pull in anything from the 'next' branch.
[6:01] <[Saint]> master is 3.6 and next is 3.8
[6:01] <[Saint]> quite a difference, and a lot of additional goodies.
[6:01] <[Saint]> The main one being F2FS support.
[6:01] <hydroxygen> im scared to update anymore..this is working correctly now
[6:02] <[Saint]> Using F2FS instead of EXT* makes a massive improvement on the pi.
[6:02] <[Saint]> EXT* is fast, sure, but F2FS is leaps and bounds ahead.
[6:04] <[Saint]> see: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux_f2fs_benchmarks&num=2
[6:05] <[Saint]> In most instances, F2FS is either on par with, or vastly ahead of, the competition.
[6:06] <[Saint]> It has some slightly disappointing results with compilation, but, it is still a very young filesystem.
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[6:24] <\\Mr_C\\> cool, we dont need the hexxah's firmware update anymore
[6:25] <\\Mr_C\\> it does it now when i do update/upgrade
[6:25] <dreamreal> night
[6:26] <dreamreal> err, sorry :)
[6:27] <[Saint]> \\Mr_C\\: errrrr....it does?
[6:27] <[Saint]> As far as I was aware that won't update the kernel.
[6:27] <\\Mr_C\\> how do i check?
[6:27] <[Saint]> Well, how did you check before you made the blind statement?
[6:28] <\\Mr_C\\> umm
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[6:28] <[Saint]> I see. :)
[6:28] <\\Mr_C\\> just asking, simple question
[6:29] <\\Mr_C\\> Linux x 3.6.11+ #452 PREEMPT Fri May 17 14:25:40 BST 2013 armv6l
[6:29] <\\Mr_C\\> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 9610248 May 19 23:19 kernel_emergency.img
[6:29] <\\Mr_C\\> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 2803168 May 19 23:19 kernel.img
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[6:29] <\\Mr_C\\> i dont freekin know
[6:29] <\\Mr_C\\> the dates changed
[6:36] * cccyRegeane_Away is now known as cccyRegeaneWolfe
[6:36] <\\Mr_C\\> can you find it in your heart and be compassionate enough to tell me how i check the version of the kernel i have and if its the latest?
[6:36] <[Saint]> Hmmm, good to know I guess. I was unaware that the kernel was updated using apt-get upgrade.
[6:36] <\\Mr_C\\> hehe
[6:36] <\\Mr_C\\> is that the latest i showed you?
[6:36] <[Saint]> "uname -a" will tell you your current kernel
[6:37] <\\Mr_C\\> i never ran the hexxah's with this install
[6:37] <\\Mr_C\\> only update and upgrade
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[6:38] <[Saint]> I'm on 3.9.2
[6:38] <\\Mr_C\\> hmm
[6:39] <[Saint]> Oh, hmmm. Apparently I compiled this myself. Though, I don't recall doing so.
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[6:39] <[Saint]> You can pull 3.8.13 directly from https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/tree/next
[6:41] <[Saint]> pretty self explanatory, just replace the tree in the repo with the tree on the device for everything except 'documentation' and 'README'
[6:42] <\\Mr_C\\> the vfat partition on the linux /boot?
[6:42] <\\Mr_C\\> or both?
[6:43] <[Saint]> Its a mixture of both.
[6:43] <\\Mr_C\\> ok
[6:43] <\\Mr_C\\> thank you
[6:43] <[Saint]> boot goes in /boot, everything else goes in /
[6:43] <vincent_c> [Saint]: easier way to run 3.8.13 is to just run sudo BRANCH=next rpi-update
[6:44] <vincent_c> (rather than manually cloning the repo and figuring out where everything goes)
[6:44] <[Saint]> depends on how you define easier, I guess.
[6:44] <[Saint]> wget and cp with some sed magic is plenty easy for me.
[6:45] <vincent_c> perhaps, but for those who aren't entirely sure of what they're doing, using rpi-update is safer
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[6:50] <[Saint]> Is rpi-update a part of the default installation yet?
[6:51] <\\Mr_C\\> no
[6:51] <[Saint]> I see it finally made it into the package repository.
[6:51] <\\Mr_C\\> i tried to run it, says its not installed
[6:51] <[Saint]> raspi-config should really be adapted to be able to install rpi-update.
[6:52] <[Saint]> perhaps I'll get bored enough to do this.
[6:52] <\\Mr_C\\> should i install it?
[6:53] <[Saint]> Its your pi...do what you will. :)
[6:53] <\\Mr_C\\> i will just do it
[6:54] <\\Mr_C\\> wish they would update the script installer
[6:54] <\\Mr_C\\> its kinda old
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[6:54] <lolbat> Hello
[6:54] <lolbat> I want to setup a debian server on raspberry pi
[6:54] <lolbat> any pointers?
[6:54] <\\Mr_C\\> hehe
[6:54] <\\Mr_C\\> yea you the little installer
[6:54] * [Saint] points
[6:54] <\\Mr_C\\> yea use the little installer
[6:54] <[Saint]> ^ there's one.
[6:55] <lolbat> I am downloding wheezy
[6:55] <lolbat> I want to run crashplan
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[6:56] <\\Mr_C\\> http://archive.raspbian.org/installer/rpi_installer_08-19-12.zip i think thats the easiest
[6:56] <\\Mr_C\\> just format the sd card and copy those to it and boot
[6:57] <lolbat> do I need a screen and stuffs?
[6:57] <\\Mr_C\\> uhh for the initial install you do
[6:57] <\\Mr_C\\> after its done you can just use ssh or some crap
[6:58] <lolbat> what should I format it too?
[6:58] <[Saint]> FAT32, it's probably already formatted as such.
[6:59] <lolbat> All of it?
[6:59] <lolbat> I am slighly drunk and just borrowed this from a friend, so I am sorry if I am slow
[6:59] <[Saint]> Yes. The installer will setup the partions itself.
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[7:00] <yehnan> hi, I just received the rpi camera module, still image capturing is fine. But video recording is something wrong. The video shown in preview window is ok. But the result video file playing in windows is not ok. Please see https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/35616101/video.h264_snapshot_00.05_%5B2013.05.20_12.58.00%5D.jpg
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[7:01] <yehnan> I don't know which part is the problem source. Is camera module ? Or the media player I use in Windows is not suitable?
[7:01] <lolbat> [Saint]: I dont have a usb keyboard, am I SOL?
[7:02] <[Saint]> lolbat: That's one way to put it, yes.
[7:02] <lolbat> I cant do the install with just a mouse?
[7:02] <[Saint]> Unless you have a PS2->USB adapter, you may as well give up now.
[7:03] <[Saint]> You cannot install either the full raspbian image or complete the raspbian installer without a keyboard, no.
[7:03] <lolbat> not even with a chroot?
[7:04] <yehnan> lolbat: do you have a LAN/DHCP environment? I mean, after first time booting raspibarrypi+raspbian, it can automatically get an private ip address.
[7:05] <[Saint]> yehnan: you're forgetting that you need a keyboard to boot the thing.
[7:05] <lolbat> All my devices get a private IPv4 and IPv6
[7:05] <[Saint]> raspi-config runs on first boot.
[7:05] <yehnan> [Saint]: no. I can boot raspbian without a keyboard.
[7:05] <[Saint]> Sure you can. *after* the initial install.
[7:05] <yehnan> [Saint]: yes, but after ssh in, you can execute raspi-config remotely.
[7:06] <yehnan> [Saint]: no. I can ssh in at the initial boot.
[7:06] <lolbat> I cant even get rasberrian pi to show anything on the hdmi
[7:06] <yehnan> [Saint]: if i know the private ip address of the rpi .
[7:07] <[Saint]> with the supplied raspbian image, yes, but this guy wants to use the installer.
[7:07] <yehnan> lolbat: well, what port does your monitor have? DVI? D-Sub?
[7:07] <[Saint]> If he wnats to use the installer, he WILL need a keyboard.
[7:07] <yehnan> [Saint]: oh, sorry about. My bad.
[7:07] <lolbat> HDMI1/DVI
[7:07] <yehnan> lolbat: you use HDMI-DVI converter?
[7:08] <lolbat> no
[7:08] <lolbat> plain hdmi
[7:08] <yehnan> lolbat: maybe you can edit config.txt, enable hdmi_force_hotplug=1
[7:08] <[Saint]> You could use qemu to complete the installation and then transfer the image to the pi, I guess.
[7:09] <lolbat> I dont have any config.txt
[7:09] <[Saint]> Probabaly easier to just wait until you can dig up a keyboard, though.
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[7:09] <lolbat> that will be several days
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[7:10] <[Saint]> \\Mr_C\\: it seems that raspbian has been capable of updating the firmware via apt-get up{date|grade} for a grand total of 3 days :)
[7:11] <[Saint]> So, forgive me for not being aware of this, please. If you'd be so kind.
[7:11] <[Saint]> It seems the relevant change is the addition of the package "raspberrypi-bootloader"
[7:11] <[Saint]> Source: raspberrypi-firmware
[7:11] <[Saint]> Version: 1.20130517-1
[7:11] <[Saint]> Description: EGL/GLES/OpenVG/etc. libraries for the Raspberry Pi's VideoCore IV
[7:11] <[Saint]> This package contains implementations of EGL, OpenGL ES, OpenVG, OpenWF
[7:11] <[Saint]> Composition, and others for the Raspberry Pi's VideoCore IV multimedia
[7:11] <[Saint]> processor.
[7:12] <[Saint]> bah! silly wrong pastebuffer.
[7:13] <[Saint]> Package: raspberrypi-bootloader
[7:13] <[Saint]> Source: raspberrypi-firmware
[7:13] <[Saint]> Version: 1.20130517-1
[7:13] <[Saint]> Description: Raspberry Pi bootloader
[7:13] <[Saint]> This package contains the Raspberry Pi bootloader (plus, temporarily, a
[7:13] <[Saint]> kernel).
[7:14] <vincent_c> [Saint]: afaik raspberrypi-firmware has always been installed as a package, it just hasn't been updated for 3 months or so (since february)
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[7:14] <[Saint]> So, yes, it seems that apt-get up{date|grade} *is* capable of updating the kernel and firmware now.
[7:14] <vincent_c> I guess the foundation only makes updates to those core packages available when something big happens, like those new camera thingies
[7:15] <vincent_c> no, apt-get up{date|grade} was always capable of updating kernel+firmware
[7:15] <vincent_c> but only if there were updated packages available in the repos
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[7:16] <[Saint]> 'twould be very nice if raspi-config allowed you to select the branch to pull from.
[7:16] <\\Mr_C\\> Linux x 3.8.13+ #454 PREEMPT Fri May 17 15:58:19 BST 2013 armv6l
[7:17] <[Saint]> I suppose there's no need for that now rpi-update is in the repo, but, I don't really see any reason for them to be two seperate tools.
[7:17] <[Saint]> They should (IMO) be merged as one.
[7:18] <[Saint]> So, I'm guessing nothing blew up then, \\Mr_C\\ :)
[7:18] <vincent_c> wait, rpi-update is now in the repos?
[7:18] <vincent_c> hmm...so it is
[7:18] <\\Mr_C\\> nope
[7:18] <\\Mr_C\\> works fine
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[7:18] <vincent_c> gonna go apt-get it now
[7:18] <[Saint]> vincent_c: it kinda surprised me too.
[7:19] <[Saint]> \\Mr_C\\: I'm assuming you went the "apt-get install rpi-update && sudoi BRANCH=next rpi-update" route?
[7:19] <[Saint]> *sudo
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[7:20] <\\Mr_C\\> sorta
[7:20] <lolbat> How do I instal something bootable on this?
[7:20] <\\Mr_C\\> apt-get install rpi-update
[7:20] <\\Mr_C\\> then
[7:20] <\\Mr_C\\> BRANCH=next rpi-update
[7:20] <\\Mr_C\\> im already logged in as root
[7:20] <vincent_c> lolbat: just use the regular raspbian image from the foundation's website?
[7:21] <\\Mr_C\\> i dont like that image , it has that gui desktop in it
[7:21] <\\Mr_C\\> i prefer shell console
[7:21] <vincent_c> you can strip out what you want afterwards
[7:21] <[Saint]> \\Mr_C\\: easy to remove.
[7:21] <vincent_c> all I need is ssh
[7:21] <\\Mr_C\\> i like the installer
[7:21] <vincent_c> (no usb keyboard here)
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[7:24] <lolbat> vincent_c: trying, apparently you need dd
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[7:25] <[Saint]> http://www.chrysocome.net/dd
[7:25] <vincent_c> well, I imagine that you'd already have coreutils installed already, no?
[7:25] <vincent_c> err, if you're not using Linux, there's plenty of GUI tools for other platforms that makes this process easy
[7:25] <[Saint]> vincent_c: I'm gonna go ahead and assume Windows host here.
[7:25] <[Saint]> ...just guessing.
[7:25] <lolbat> stiill nothing
[7:26] <vincent_c> yeah, safer to assume that, on second thought :P
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[7:26] <[Saint]> http://elinux.org/RPi_Easy_SD_Card_Setup
[7:26] <lolbat> I run linux on my laptop
[7:26] <just_grep_it> anyone here setup any monitoring service like nagios on raspberry pi?
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[7:26] <[Saint]> lolbat: if so, then, you have dd.
[7:28] <lolbat> I did dd teh second image on the download page (it mentioned somethign about oracle jvm, and my application is using java)
[7:28] <yehnan> reply to self: after converting the video file to mkv format, it's fine. So the problem is the media player I use.
[7:28] <[Saint]> "sudo dd bs=1M if=/path/to/extracted/image.img of=/path/to/sdcard"
[7:28] <lolbat> did that allready
[7:28] <lolbat> still nothing on my television screen
[7:28] <[Saint]> You're not trying to write the .zip to disk, are you?
[7:28] <[Saint]> I mean, you extracted it...yes?
[7:28] <lolbat> no
[7:29] <lolbat> yes
[7:29] <lolbat> fuck
[7:29] <lolbat> Sorry
[7:29] <lolbat> I wrote it to sda
[7:29] <lolbat> -.-"
[7:29] <ParkerR> ...
[7:29] <[Saint]> Ohhhh....bugger.
[7:29] <ParkerR> inb4 lost main OS install
[7:29] <just_grep_it> its all part of learning
[7:30] <just_grep_it> at least it won't happen again!
[7:30] <ParkerR> just_grep_it, Dont underestimate people
[7:30] <lolbat> well, I just lost the os and the parition table
[7:30] <just_grep_it> dd is a deadly command...
[7:30] <lolbat> luckily I've been a backup maniac latley
[7:30] * [Saint] would normally make a subtle "language" comment, but, in this instance I would say such a slip was perfectly justified.
[7:30] <ParkerR> I once tab completed sudo rm -rf /usr/share Accidentally hit space
[7:30] <vincent_c> ouch...
[7:31] <just_grep_it> wait what are you trying to do? i assume since this is pi forum, you're trying to install raspberry pi on SD card?
[7:31] <just_grep_it> or are you trying to partition an SD card?
[7:31] <lolbat> I was trying to write the image on the sd card
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[7:31] <[Saint]> just_grep_it: there's this wonderful thing called backlog :)
[7:31] <just_grep_it> im new to this!
[7:31] <just_grep_it> im on here for some nagios help
[7:32] <lolbat> I accidentally wrote it to my main harddrive
[7:32] <just_grep_it> why don't you do it from a windows machine
[7:32] <ParkerR> ...
[7:32] <just_grep_it> and just do it like the guides on raspberrypi
[7:32] <ParkerR> win32diskimager is nice but dd <3
[7:32] <[Saint]> I assume because he likes his sanity ;)
[7:32] <ParkerR> [Saint], Exactly
[7:32] <just_grep_it> well, he must've lost some of it
[7:32] <just_grep_it> from losing his sda
[7:32] <ParkerR> Haha
[7:32] <ParkerR> :D
[7:32] <ParkerR> I like this guy
[7:32] <vincent_c> don't "the guides on raspberrypi" say to use dd if using a linux host anyways?
[7:33] <just_grep_it> it doesn't matter
[7:33] <\\Mr_C\\> hmm
[7:33] <just_grep_it> all you're doing is writing img to sd
[7:33] <\\Mr_C\\> im getting this continuous message
[7:33] <vincent_c> I'm not booting windows just to write an img to sd card
[7:33] <vincent_c> :P
[7:33] <[Saint]> There are tools that *may* be able to recover the damage from dd.
[7:33] <[Saint]> ddrd springs to mind.
[7:33] <just_grep_it> i learned my lesson using gparted
[7:33] <ParkerR> Or you could maybe get away with recreating the old partition table
[7:34] <\\Mr_C\\> [ 40.520981] mmc0: final write to SD card still running
[7:34] <\\Mr_C\\> [ 50.526939] mmc0: Timeout waiting for hardware interrupt - cmd12.
[7:34] <\\Mr_C\\> [ 50.534392] mmcblk0: error -110 sending stop command, original cmd response 0x900, card status 0x900
[7:34] <\\Mr_C\\> whats this mean
[7:34] <lolbat> ParkerR: after overwriting the first 1.9GB?
[7:34] <\\Mr_C\\> it keeps repeating
[7:34] <[Saint]> I assume with writing 2GB to the primary disk at least *some* data was lost.
[7:34] <vincent_c> \\Mr_C\\: there's a bug filed on github about that
[7:34] <[Saint]> More than just the partition table, I mean.
[7:34] <vincent_c> I assume that you've only seen it after running 3.8?
[7:34] <\\Mr_C\\> yes
[7:34] <[Saint]> unless the partition table is 2GB plus? :)
[7:34] <vincent_c> is your pi overclocked or anything?
[7:35] <\\Mr_C\\> no
[7:35] <ParkerR> Well if there was anything important he would have a chance of recovery
[7:35] <just_grep_it> after reading these replies..i feel lucky. I downloaded the OS. pluggied it in to pi, and it WORKED
[7:35] <lolbat> lolcat@lolcat-laptop:~/Skrivebord$ sudo dd bs=1M if=2012-08-08-wheezy-armel.img of=/dev/sdc
[7:35] <lolbat> how long should this take?
[7:35] <just_grep_it> depending on SD card?
[7:35] <just_grep_it> a couple minutes?
[7:35] <lolbat> I preferably want to do this before I reboot or do something that bricks this machine
[7:36] <[Saint]> about 40 seconds here.
[7:36] <[Saint]> depends on the sdcard.
[7:36] <just_grep_it> depending on class of sd card
[7:36] <just_grep_it> ok so anyone here install any monitoring software on pi, sensu/nagios?
[7:36] <lolbat> 133 I thought
[7:36] <ParkerR> If you want to check the progress of dd in another terminal run sudo pkill -USR1 dd
[7:37] <vincent_c> \\Mr_C\\: https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/issues/280
[7:37] <vincent_c> feel free to watch it if you have a github account for email notifications
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[7:37] <just_grep_it> people are using 3.8 kernel?!
[7:37] <vincent_c> I am
[7:38] * vincent_c shrugs
[7:38] <lolbat> maybe dd was damaged?
[7:38] <just_grep_it> im too scared
[7:38] <[Saint]> ParkerR: Ctrl+T would give some progress output, no?
[7:38] <vincent_c> I intend to try out f2fs
[7:38] <just_grep_it> ctrl shift t, top
[7:38] <ParkerR> [Saint], Would be news to me
[7:38] <vincent_c> but laziness/inertia means I haven't gotten to it yet
[7:38] <ParkerR> [Saint], Ctrl T in the terminal running dd?
[7:38] <vincent_c> but still running 3.8 anyways because it was only a rpi-update away
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[7:39] <lolbat> the green light is blinking franticallyy, is that good?
[7:39] <ParkerR> Yes
[7:40] <lolbat> how long until Ill see something on the screen?
[7:40] <just_grep_it> a coupel seconds
[7:40] <ParkerR> Shouldnt take too long...
[7:40] <lolbat> been like 10
[7:40] <lolbat> it stopped blinking
[7:40] <just_grep_it> are you using an old sd card?
[7:40] <lolbat> started blinking again
[7:40] <lolbat> class 10
[7:40] <lolbat> verbatim
[7:40] <[Saint]> Well, matter of fact, you should see something on the screen *immediately* after power on.
[7:40] <just_grep_it> do you have a windows machine?
[7:41] <lolbat> no
[7:41] <[Saint]> You'll see the test image immediately, and it will start boot after ~1s
[7:41] <just_grep_it> hmm i just rpi-updated
[7:41] <just_grep_it> all deez new stuffs
[7:41] <ParkerR> You may have removed the SD card too soon after writing. Running "sync" after dd finsishes will ensure it has completely written
[7:42] <just_grep_it> ugh..does rpi-update somehow turn off ssh server
[7:43] <lolbat> there
[7:43] <lolbat> I now see stuff
[7:43] <ParkerR> just_grep_it, Not that I know of
[7:43] <lolbat> I removed the case and jiggled the hdmi
[7:43] <just_grep_it> oh okay, i was just being impatient with sudo reboot
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[7:44] * ParkerR should do something with his Pi
[7:44] <lolbat> it seems to need a keyboard input -.-"
[7:44] <ParkerR> Been messing with other stuff :(
[7:44] <just_grep_it> you do
[7:44] <just_grep_it> only initially
[7:45] <vincent_c> you can get by without keyboard input with ssh
[7:45] <ParkerR> Messing with old Xbox and where the Pi used to be my portable machine, it got replaced with an Acer C7
[7:45] <vincent_c> just run raspi-config via ssh to stop it from appearing due to first boot
[7:46] * kimitake is now known as kimitake_idle
[7:47] <[Saint]> I _think_ you'be be able to get away with powering down the "hard way" and rebooting.
[7:47] <[Saint]> raspi-config /shouldn't/ run again.
[7:47] <lolbat> sooo
[7:47] <lolbat> how can I get past this stupid blue raspi-config screen?
[7:47] <ParkerR> He just suggested something
[7:47] <[Saint]> Depending on the wodel of the hardware, you could also short the p6 pins
[7:48] <lolbat> what pins to short?
[7:48] <lolbat> I have the good model
[7:48] <ParkerR> P6 header
[7:48] <lolbat> none is labeled p6
[7:49] <lolbat> I think I shorted the wrong ones
[7:49] <[Saint]> p6 is between the HDMI and the power microUSB
[7:49] <[Saint]> WHaoh!
[7:49] <[Saint]> WHat makes you think its a good idea to go shorting random pins?!?
[7:49] <[Saint]> DON'T do this! :)
[7:50] <[Saint]> The smiley face doesn't do the severity of this any justice.
[7:50] <lolbat> it says at boot that it starts sshd
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[7:50] <[Saint]> Its a very real possibility you just killed the thing.
[7:50] <lolbat> nope
[7:50] <lolbat> it is fine
[7:50] <lolbat> How will I know its IP?
[7:50] <[Saint]> Then, you're very lucky.
[7:50] <ParkerR> Check your router
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[7:51] <[Saint]> Check the router.
[7:51] <lolbat> I just shorted two of those pointy pins it has
[7:51] <ParkerR> ...
[7:51] <ParkerR> -_-
[7:51] <[Saint]> DO NOT do that.
[7:51] <lolbat> I don't use a router
[7:51] <[Saint]> EVER>
[7:51] <lolbat> I use a gigabit switch
[7:51] <lolbat> unmanaged
[7:51] <lolbat> D-Link SGS-1224T
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[7:51] <[Saint]> I can't stress that enough. You got lucky. NEVER short GPIO pins. EVER>
[7:52] <lolbat> okay okay
[7:52] <lolbat> Ill try to avoid it
[7:52] <ParkerR> Theres no trying
[7:52] <ParkerR> Just dont
[7:52] <ParkerR> Also you dont have any USB keyboard laying around?
[7:53] <lolbat> so I need to dig out a router? I cant just connect it to a switch?
[7:53] <ParkerR> You can
[7:53] <ParkerR> It's just harer to figure out the IP
[7:53] <ParkerR> *harder
[7:53] <lolbat> I have one bluetooth and one ps/2 and one for a laptop
[7:53] <[Saint]> Here's where the p6 header is located IFF you have the right hardware version: http://raspi.tv/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/DSC_3661-e1355784030259-1024x624.jpg
[7:54] <vincent_c> lolbat: ...if none of the above suggestions work, you could also just look for the initscript that starts raspi-config and remove it
[7:54] <[Saint]> This is a "reboot switch".
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[7:54] <lolbat> vincent_c: it looks like it starts sshd
[7:54] <lolbat> so I just need to guess its ip
[7:54] <ParkerR> vincent_c, Well now he's more worried about actually ssh'ing into it
[7:55] <vincent_c> ok, good, so he took my initial suggestion :)
[7:55] * Lupinedk is now known as lupinedk
[7:55] <lolbat> 37.191.218.* and a few more to scan through?
[7:55] <[Saint]> I was just going to say it should be trivial to brute force if you had to.
[7:55] <lolbat> I guess scanning 37.191.*.* would take a while...
[7:56] <[Saint]> If you know the base address of the switch, you can guess it.
[7:56] <ParkerR> Or go off the computers local IP
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[7:56] * [Saint] nods
[7:56] <ParkerR> And + or - from there
[7:56] <lolbat> I don't use local IP, NAT was out of date in 2003
[7:56] <ParkerR> ...
[7:56] <ParkerR> So every device gets an outside address?
[7:57] <[Saint]> Oh, run...
[7:57] <lolbat> Swich only replies to 192.168.1.1, but nothing else on the network uses that
[7:57] <ParkerR> That must make port forwarding tough (or blocking for that matter)
[7:57] <[Saint]> errr, fun, even.
[7:57] <lolbat> ParkerR: yes, 37.191.*.* and an IPv6
[7:57] <lolbat> There is no firewall, hence no port forwarding
[7:57] <[Saint]> port forwarding must be a nightmare for you.
[7:57] <[Saint]> also....what!?!
[7:57] <[Saint]> Argh!
[7:57] <lolbat> I don't do port forwarding
[7:58] <ParkerR> Port forwarding isnt just about being a firewall
[7:58] <lolbat> each device has its own IPv4 and its own IPv6
[7:58] <lolbat> every port is accesible through the network
[7:58] <ParkerR> So every port is open to the outside world?
[7:58] <lolbat> and to the internet
[7:58] <lolbat> yes
[7:58] <ParkerR> Fail
[7:58] <[Saint]> oH DEAR...
[7:58] <ParkerR> Remind me to never hook into your network
[7:58] <[Saint]> Indeed.
[7:58] <Dagger2> lolbat: people get so confused without NAT, don't they?
[7:59] <lolbat> Dont you run ip-something or other in your linux?
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[7:59] <ParkerR> iptables? No
[7:59] <lolbat> Dagger2: I can't see why anyone would want a NAT
[7:59] <[Saint]> ifconfig will tell you
[7:59] <hybr1d8> because it is hard to get enough public IP addresses
[8:00] <lolbat> hybr1d8: I just plug in another device
[8:00] <vincent_c> NAT to me = single point of control, easier to administrate
[8:00] <ParkerR> Easier addressing, easier to keep up with, security
[8:00] <Dagger2> lolbat: neither can I, but boy do people think they need it
[8:00] <vincent_c> also, yeah, getting more public ip addresses can be expensive
[8:00] <hybr1d8> lolbat: if you are just plugging in a new device then you are not getting a new public IP
[8:00] <[Saint]> dyndns ftw.
[8:00] <lolbat> hybr1d8: I am
[8:00] <hybr1d8> public IP's are assigned out by icann
[8:00] <lolbat> no
[8:01] <hybr1d8> what sort of IP address are you using?
[8:01] <Dagger2> lolbat: see? NAT has nothing to do with central administration, yet here's someone thinking it does
[8:01] <hybr1d8> and who is assigning it?
[8:01] <lolbat> they are shared out by my ISPs dhcp server
[8:01] <lolbat> inet addr:37.191.218.121 Bcast:37.191.223.255 Mask:255.255.240.0
[8:01] <lolbat> inet6 addr: fe80::ba88:e3ff:fe65:ebb5/64 Scope:Link
[8:01] <lolbat> those are this laptop
[8:01] <[Saint]> Well, with his setup, I think the safe question is "what sort of IP address are you, your neighbors, the entire city, and half of China using?"
[8:01] <[Saint]> :P
[8:01] <Dagger2> (no v6 addr?)
[8:01] <ParkerR> All ports are open ATTCK! Just kidding
[8:02] <lolbat> Dagger2: No point, I overwrote the sshd
[8:02] <lolbat> and rm, and half the programs I have installed...
[8:02] <ParkerR> overwrote?
[8:02] <ParkerR> How so?
[8:02] <lolbat> I did dd if=some-raspberry-image.img of=/dev/sda
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[8:04] <lolbat> so the root partition of this computers first 1.9GB is replaced
[8:04] <hybr1d8> My ISP doesn't give out that many public IP's - only one per connection
[8:04] <lolbat> hybr1d8: you get what you pay for
[8:04] <hybr1d8> and even if it did I would not want to work that way as there is too much risk
[8:04] <lolbat> hybr1d8: Would you share a phone number with your family and visitors?
[8:05] <lolbat> NATs aren't at all safe
[8:05] <hybr1d8> lolbat: there isn't even the option to get multiple IP's per connection from any ISP I know of here in .au
[8:05] <Dagger2> hybr1d8: yeah, say hello to a firewall. you can be just as safe without NAT
[8:05] <Triffid_Hunter> hybr1d8: several do it actually.. from memory internode will give you 8 if you ask
[8:05] <Triffid_Hunter> hybr1d8: I think iinet might as well on a business plan
[8:05] <hybr1d8> NAT's aren't safe or not safe - it is just a protocol
[8:06] <Dagger2> though that said, lolbat is not exactly in a position to run a centralized firewall for his network, since his ISP doesn't give him routed blocks of IP space
[8:06] <hybr1d8> but by separating the network to public/dmz/private you can retain greater control
[8:06] <Dagger2> hybr1d8: you can do the same even with public addresses
[8:07] <hybr1d8> Triffid_Hunter: I don't have a choice in ISP anyway - only one option exists for me :(
[8:07] <Triffid_Hunter> hybr1d8: powertel? never heard of them
[8:07] <hybr1d8> clubtelco
[8:08] <hybr1d8> (this IRC is through my work connection rather than home connection)
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[8:08] <hybr1d8> I can't get cable or ADSL so have to use 3G - and only clubtelco has a plan with >20G a month for 3G data
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[8:10] <Triffid_Hunter> hybr1d8: hm, http://www.clubtelco.com.au/mobile_broadband_compare_plans.html only lists plans up to 15G, has yours been grandfathered?
[8:11] <hybr1d8> no - but you can have a 15G plan - and then purchase an additional 15G datablock (which I do each month)
[8:11] <hybr1d8> not ideal - but only option until NBN comes around
[8:11] * [Saint] wonders how someone survives with ~30GB of data a month.
[8:11] <[Saint]> I use that in ~1.2 days
[8:12] <Triffid_Hunter> hybr1d8: no NBN satellite for you yet? I thought they had those happening already
[8:12] <[Saint]> Ohhhhhhh...bad math. ~0.92 days, based on last month.
[8:13] <Triffid_Hunter> I'm out in the sticks and I have a 10MBit link with 200G quota
[8:13] <[Saint]> 0.92487 days to be precise.
[8:13] <hybr1d8> Not an option - Since 3G data is available and ADSL is available only a couple hundred metres away - I am classed as having 'broadband available in area'
[8:13] <Triffid_Hunter> hybr1d8: couple hundred meters? dude, make some biquads, get a wireless link happening
[8:13] <hybr1d8> and so am not able to get satellite
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[8:14] <rymate1234> Just disconnect your house from the ADSL
[8:14] <[Saint]> Wait, what? You can't get satellite because you have ADSL coverage (technically speaking)?
[8:14] <rymate1234> and put foil everywhere
[8:14] <[Saint]> What foolery is this?
[8:14] <[Saint]> Does your Telco not *like* money...?
[8:15] <hybr1d8> basically -yes. Since ADSL is available 'in my area' according to government I'm not able to get the subsidy stuff for satellite
[8:15] <[Saint]> If I wanted to pay for sat connection, my telco wouldn't care one bit that I have fibre-to-the-door.
[8:15] <Triffid_Hunter> [Saint]: internet things in australia are pretty retarded at the moment
[8:15] <[Saint]> Triffid_Hunter: Apparently.
[8:15] <[Saint]> ANd I thought NZ was bad.
[8:15] <hybr1d8> and without subsidy the setup cost is more than $2000 and per-month costs are crazy
[8:15] <[Saint]> All my telco would see if "Foolish mortal wants a sat connection, lets charge him a BILLION dollars for it"
[8:16] <[Saint]> s/if/is/
[8:16] <hybr1d8> It would be cheaper for me to buy 10 USB 3G dongles + 10 data plans than go with sat
[8:16] <[Saint]> The fact that I can have other connectivity options doesn't factor in to it.
[8:16] <Triffid_Hunter> [Saint]: you do have 6x our population density.. that helps I'm sure!
[8:16] <[Saint]> Thatr's the weirdest telco related thing I've heard in a while.
[8:17] <[Saint]> "No, sir, you CAN'T pay for a sat connection because you already have access to an inferior connection"
[8:17] <[Saint]> ....I mean, what!?!
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[8:17] <hybr1d8> also - have you had a look at the actual plans for satelite? Very expensive for small data limit and low bandwidth
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[8:18] <hybr1d8> I 'can' pay for the sat connection - but really is not cost-effective or practical
[8:18] <[Saint]> Wow...our are very expensive for a massive data limit at ridiculous speeds.
[8:18] <Triffid_Hunter> biggest issue with satellite is the huge latency
[8:18] <[Saint]> *ours
[8:19] <[Saint]> At present I have two ADSL2+ connections bonded.
[8:19] <[Saint]> Works for me, decent speed, no cap.
[8:19] <hybr1d8> Just my crazy luck - I'm too far from the exchange, even though there is another exchange less than 500m from my house
[8:19] <hybr1d8> but I'm not connected to that one
[8:19] <[Saint]> Lucky boy and/or girl.
[8:20] <[Saint]> You've got my feels, buddy.
[8:20] <rymate1234> What's so good about satellite Internet
[8:20] <hybr1d8> and when I ask about getting things fixed telstra says they can put in a second line which 'might' let ADSL work but they can't guarantee (and it will cost about $1800 to try - no refunds if it doesn't work)
[8:20] <Triffid_Hunter> rymate1234: you can get it anywhere with LOS to the sky
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[8:20] <rymate1234> Ah
[8:21] <[Saint]> ANd some sat connections are VERY fast.
[8:21] <[Saint]> ...others, notsomuch.
[8:21] <hybr1d8> NBN is supposedly coming though by september - but I've been stuck using 3G connections now for 5 years (since I bought the house)
[8:21] <Triffid_Hunter> rymate1234: population density in Australia is ~3 people per square kilometer, vs 259 in the UK so our infrastructure has to go a lot further to serve a lot fewer people
[8:21] <rymate1234> Ah
[8:22] <[Saint]> That, and....dropbear attacks on linesmen.
[8:22] <[Saint]> Its a very real risk.
[8:22] <rymate1234> So it's probably better to get satellite
[8:22] <rymate1234> In Australia
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[8:23] <hybr1d8> That's why the linesmen carry poisonous snakes with them - to defend from dropbears
[8:23] <[Saint]> heh :)
[8:23] <Triffid_Hunter> rymate1234: we avoid it if possible.. latency is high (can be a couple of seconds) and it drops out every time it rains
[8:23] * [Saint] is glad that joke wasn't entirely lost
[8:23] <rymate1234> Oh lol
[8:23] <DropBear> Linesmen??? WHERE!
[8:24] <[Saint]> Hahahahahahaha!
[8:24] <hybr1d8> hehe
[8:25] <\\Mr_C\\> anyone got quake3 to work?
[8:25] <[Saint]> My monitors now have a fine mist of coffee spray upon them.
[8:25] <[Saint]> 'twas worth it, though.
[8:25] <hybr1d8> time to head home - bye all
[8:25] <[Saint]> o/
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[8:33] <\\Mr_C\\> how would i find what path this is looking for the library at? ./ioquake3.arm: error while loading shared libraries: libSDL-1.2.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
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[8:54] <Triffid_Hunter> \\Mr_C\\: I got it to work on mine
[8:55] <\\Mr_C\\> you feel like guiding me, ive unzipped the files but i get that library error
[8:55] <Triffid_Hunter> \\Mr_C\\: unzipped? I had to compile it. the precompiled ones I found didn't work
[8:55] <\\Mr_C\\> oh
[8:57] <Triffid_Hunter> \\Mr_C\\: I'll post a bin for you, j1s
[8:57] <Triffid_Hunter> you have pak{0..8}.pk3 already yes?
[8:57] <\\Mr_C\\> yes
[9:00] <Triffid_Hunter> \\Mr_C\\: http://triffid-hunter.no-ip.info/quake3-rpi.tar.bz2 - copy or symlink your pak{0..8}.pk3 into quake3/baseq3 folder then run ./quake3/ioquake3.arm
[9:00] <Triffid_Hunter> \\Mr_C\\: compiled against fairly recent raspbian, let me know how you go
[9:01] <\\Mr_C\\> ok, i will try it
[9:01] <\\Mr_C\\> moment...
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[9:11] <\\Mr_C\\> triffed
[9:11] <\\Mr_C\\> root@x:~/quake3# ./ioquake3.arm
[9:11] <\\Mr_C\\> ./ioquake3.arm: error while loading shared libraries: libSDL-1.2.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[9:13] <\\Mr_C\\> where are your libraries located?
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[9:14] <yehnan> \\Mr_C\\: I followed the instructions here http://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianQuake3
[9:14] <yehnan> \\Mr_C\\: did you sudo apt-get install git gcc build-essential libsdl1.2-dev ?
[9:14] <\\Mr_C\\> no
[9:15] <\\Mr_C\\> sec.
[9:15] <\\Mr_C\\> doijng it
[9:15] <\\Mr_C\\> doing
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[9:22] <\\Mr_C\\> its still installing
[9:22] <gordonDrogon> morning pi peoples.
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[9:34] <\\Mr_C\\> its done installing
[9:34] <\\Mr_C\\> rebooting then will attempt to run it
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[9:41] <\\Mr_C\\> hey
[9:41] <\\Mr_C\\> yehnan
[9:41] <\\Mr_C\\> you there?
[9:43] <yehnan> \\Mr_C\\: hi
[9:43] <\\Mr_C\\> it works
[9:43] <\\Mr_C\\> after i did that install of libsdl1.2-dev
[9:43] <yehnan> \\Mr_C\\: you start shooting?
[9:44] <\\Mr_C\\> not yet, but its running
[9:44] <\\Mr_C\\> asking for a cd key
[9:44] <yehnan> \\Mr_C\\: input random cd key...is ok
[9:44] <yehnan> \\Mr_C\\: I suppose you know that what you have now is quake3 engine, not the game content.
[9:45] <\\Mr_C\\> what do you mean?
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[9:46] <yehnan> \\Mr_C\\: it means...you need to buy the game "Quake III: Arena". Then copy some files from the game to your rpi/quake3 engine.
[9:46] <\\Mr_C\\> i already have all the files
[9:47] <\\Mr_C\\> i have the original cd's
[9:47] <yehnan> \\Mr_C\\: these? pak0.pk3, pak1.pk3, pak2.pk3, pak3.pk3, pak4.pk3, pak5.pk3, pak6.pk3, pak7.pk3, pak8.pk3 ?
[9:47] <\\Mr_C\\> yes
[9:47] <yehnan> \\Mr_C\\: ok, then enjoy it.
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[9:56] <joonty> hi everyone
[9:56] <joonty> i have a question about terminal fonts
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[9:56] <joonty> can you use a ttf font for the terminal (non-X)?
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[10:01] <Triffid_Hunter> joonty: no I don't think so. terminals use fixed-width bitmap fonts
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[10:05] <joonty> Triffid_Hunter: thanks. How about UTF-8 fonts? I've got some UTF-8 characters in my bash prompt, but they're garbled
[10:06] <Triffid_Hunter> joonty: no idea, never even thought about trying to have a utf8 console
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[10:09] <adeus> hmm all my consoles are utf-8
[10:09] <adeus> some things still might show up as garbage though when there's no font
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[10:15] <joonty> hmm ok
[10:15] <joonty> adeus: which font do you use?
[10:16] <adeus> the default
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[10:16] <adeus> so I'm guessing terminus
[10:16] <joonty> ok
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[10:16] <joonty> wonder why mine is dodgy
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[10:20] <yehnan> joonty: After changing my locale to something_utf8, I also need to install corresponding fonts. I can successfully display Chinese characters under console/terminal.
[10:21] <joonty> yehnan: thanks
[10:21] <gordonDrogon> life was so much simpler when it was just 7-bit ASCII, although frustrating when in a country that didn't use $ as the currency symbol. Better when 8-bit ascii was in vogue, but utf8 ftw in these enlightened days...
[10:21] <joonty> I've realised the problem is actually not due to standard utf-8 characters
[10:21] <gordonDrogon> (which didn't stop me ignoring it in my basic interpreter - one day!)
[10:21] <joonty> the theme I'm using actually uses patched fonts with extra symbols
[10:22] <joonty> gordonDrogon: hear hear
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[10:23] <joonty> I'm too young to remember the days of 7-bit ascii
[10:23] <joonty> but it sounds like a beautiful, simple time
[10:25] <burbankboy> Is there an easy way to battery power a pi?
[10:25] <burbankboy> idk much about batteries
[10:26] <SpeedEvil> for how long
[10:27] <SpeedEvil> the pi uses a lot of power for a battery powered thing
[10:27] <adeus> nah it stays on a week with a car battery :)
[10:27] <adeus> tested it
[10:28] <burbankboy> idk
[10:28] <joonty> sounds like a good story
[10:28] <burbankboy> id like to make a portable computer of some kind
[10:28] <burbankboy> like a box or something that'll last at least a day or two
[10:28] <burbankboy> hm
[10:28] <burbankboy> maybe like, a box with a touch display or something
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[10:31] <adeus> you'll get a day out of a portable charging thingy for mobiles
[10:31] <adeus> ~
[10:32] <joonty> ~?
[10:32] <adeus> roughly
[10:32] <joonty> ah
[10:32] <adeus> obviously depending on the size etc.
[10:33] <Triffid_Hunter> burbankboy: search LM2596 on ebay
[10:34] <burbankboy> Triffid_Hunter: Cool, thanks. :)
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[10:40] <SpeedEvil> a simple voltage regulator has problems
[10:40] <SpeedEvil> it will not turn off before damaging the power source
[10:41] <SpeedEvil> batteries die if discharged too far
[10:41] <plugwash> A week on a card battery sounds in the right ballpark, I ran a beagleboard XM and a mobile broadband router of two largish leisure batteries for over a week
[10:42] <plugwash> *car battery
[10:42] <plugwash> now granted these leisure batteries were larger than a typical car battery and there were two of them but on the other hand I had a mobile broadband router connected
[10:43] <gordonDrogon> use a leisure battery - they're ok with deep discharge.
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[10:56] <\\Mr_C\\> damn it, this 3.8 kernel jacked up my crap
[10:56] <gordonDrogon> I beg your pardon?
[10:56] <gordonDrogon> (translation: huh?)
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[10:57] <bigx> hey guys! good morning
[10:58] <bigx> i'm trying to make a schema under fritzing
[10:58] <ShiftPlusOne> gordonDrogon, he has encountered difficulties after using the kernel.
[10:58] <bigx> but I can't figure how I can connect a wire to another wire :)
[10:58] <bigx> maybe someone here knows?
[10:59] <jelly1> 3.8 worked fine for me :)
[11:00] <\\Mr_C\\> i keep getting this repeating error message
[11:01] <AmbassadorMatt> Hey guys, I have a question about a Pi with XBMC. I don't have a Pi yet, but will be ordering one this weekend. I have video server programs (AirVideo/Subsonic/PS3 Media server) on my desktop and wanted to set up a Pi with XBMC at my grandmas house. Is there an easy/efficient way to stream video from my desktop to the Pi? 95% of the content is SD so streaming HD stuff shouldn't be an issue.
[11:02] <gordonDrogon> bigx, it's fiddly, but hover the mouse over the end of the wire on the first component to see what the highlight says /before/ you click the button to drag the wire.
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[11:02] <AmbassadorMatt> I'm just not sure how I'd do it. Currently, to stream any video from my desktop to a PC at another house, I use subsonic, but I would need something clean and easier for her to use.
[11:02] <gordonDrogon> bigx, selecting the right thing to drag the wire from is tricky in the schematic page, but you get the hang eventually.
[11:02] <chithead> AmbassadorMatt: xbmc supports upnp a/v (dlna)
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[11:04] <AmbassadorMatt> Hmm. I think AirVideo is upnp
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[11:05] <AmbassadorMatt> I'm new to all this stuff. I just went to Maker Faire this last weekend and grabbed myself some Arduino stuff and will be picking up a Pi.
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[11:06] <AmbassadorMatt> The faire got me all inspired, haha. And now my grandma is home all the time, I wanted to make a way for me to download stuff for her and let her stream it.
[11:06] <neirpyc> i use openelec with the rtorrent service
[11:07] <bigx> gordonDrogon thx!
[11:07] <neirpyc> the web interface lets you set up rss feeds
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[11:07] <AmbassadorMatt> Hmm. RSS feeds sound like a bit more of a hassle but that's do-able.
[11:08] <neirpyc> how so? i set it up to grab my shows and it does it just fine
[11:08] <neirpyc> what were you thinking?
[11:08] <neirpyc> you don't have to use the rss feature if it's not your thing
[11:08] <AmbassadorMatt> Well, subsonic and AirVideo are just stupidly simple so I'm spoiled by that
[11:08] <AmbassadorMatt> Subsonic updates it's library at 3am automatically every day
[11:09] <AmbassadorMatt> And I can do a manual refresh for new content at any time.
[11:09] <neirpyc> ahh
[11:09] <neirpyc> well they have a branch of plex for the pi
[11:09] <neirpyc> if you have your media all tucked away on an external drive
[11:09] <AmbassadorMatt> It's on my desktop. That's the real problem
[11:09] <AmbassadorMatt> I want to stream my stuff from my desktop
[11:10] <AmbassadorMatt> To my grandmas, ~20 miles away
[11:10] <neirpyc> ahhh
[11:10] <neirpyc> i thought you meant locally
[11:10] <neirpyc> my bad
[11:10] <AmbassadorMatt> I can do it with subsonic, but, it'd be a bit too hard for her
[11:10] <neirpyc> yeah
[11:10] <AmbassadorMatt> Nah, locally I got set up with PS3 Media server
[11:11] <neirpyc> you mentioned the pi, was just going through some of the solutions i've used for using mine as a htpc
[11:11] <neirpyc> over a network, i'm not sure of anything that's easy to use
[11:11] <AmbassadorMatt> Yeah, well, the idea is to set up a Pi at my grandmas house
[11:11] <AmbassadorMatt> And stream to that from my desktop
[11:11] <AmbassadorMatt> Again, if possible.
[11:12] <neirpyc> i know plex lets you do that, i think with the premium account or whatever
[11:12] <AmbassadorMatt> I figure if I can stream to any web browser in the world with ease, there's gotta be some way to stream to a Pi in a easy UI for her to handle.
[11:12] <neirpyc> you would have to run the plex server on your machine and setup rasplex on her end
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[11:13] <neirpyc> http://wiki.plexapp.com/index.php/MyPlex#What_is_myPlex.3F
[11:13] <neirpyc> looks like it's free
[11:14] <AmbassadorMatt> Hmm, that might work.
[11:14] <neirpyc> http://rasplex.com/
[11:15] <neirpyc> there is the branch for the pi
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[11:16] <AmbassadorMatt> The UI looks simple enough for her to handle, too.
[11:17] <AmbassadorMatt> And if the app will transcode video, I could use it on my iPad and replace AirVideo
[11:17] <neirpyc> yeah, and the pi has CEC capabilities
[11:17] <neirpyc> so she can use her tv remote with it
[11:17] <AmbassadorMatt> And it will stream to my parents LG Smart TV
[11:17] <AmbassadorMatt> Plex might be the way to go hmmmm
[11:18] <gazzwi86> I have quite a few Pi's I've been setting up in different building connecting to WiFi. Sometimes it fails to connect to the WiFi having been successful on previous boots. How can I fix that?
[11:19] <gazzwi86> sudo ifup wlan1 will work, but sometimes with won't complete the handshake and just sleep.
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[11:19] <[deXter]> gazzwi86, you mean you get disconnected automatically after a while, and it won't automatically re-connect?
[11:20] <[deXter]> also, check your logs. dmesg and syslog, during the times of the disconnection to see what's exactly happening
[11:21] <gazzwi86> [dexter]: I can't be sure at the omen. I have them set up at bars and were working briefly but have since stopped dropping files on the server. I wanted to get an idea of potential issues before I show up to try and fix them
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[11:23] <AmbassadorMatt> neirpyc: Thanks a lot. Gonna look in to Plex a bit more, but looks like I can not only use it with a Pi rather easily, but I can also replace an existing program with it, assuming everything works out well
[11:24] <neirpyc> AmbassadorMatt: awesome, good luck!
[11:25] <AmbassadorMatt> I looked in to Plex awhile ago, but, it wasn't as filled out as it is now
[11:25] <[deXter]> gazzwi86, there could be many issues.. 1) flakey wifi adapter or firmware 2) insufficient power 3) wifi-sleep policy 4) incompatibility with routers 5) that bug in debian which can cause #4..
[11:25] <AmbassadorMatt> And I know it used to cost money. Can't tell if it does anymore, but, doesn't seem like it
[11:26] <jelly1> xbmc suits me fine :)
[11:26] <gazzwi86> [dexter]: Well I have this WiFi adapter, so it should be a power or flakey adapter I'd hope. Ive tested a few and it didn't seem to be an issue: http://www.edimax.co.uk/en/produce_detail.php?pd_id=328&pl1_id=1&pl2_id=44
[11:27] <AmbassadorMatt> jelly1: Yeah, the problem was though, I want to stream video from my house to a raspberry pi at my grandmas house, 20 miles away
[11:27] <jelly1> AmbassadorMatt: that's a problem
[11:27] <gazzwi86> [dexter]: whats the WiFi-sleep policy and deb bug?
[11:27] <jelly1> AmbassadorMatt: vpn + nfs?
[11:27] <AmbassadorMatt> Running plex through the Pi seems like the easiest way to do it
[11:27] <jelly1> sshfs would be sloww I guess
[11:28] <AmbassadorMatt> yeah, vpn isn't an option
[11:28] <AmbassadorMatt> I can use subsonic to stream video to any web browser on any computer, so I knew there was a way.
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[11:28] <AmbassadorMatt> Same with streaming from my desktop to my iPad with AirVideo, no matter where I'm at.
[11:29] <AmbassadorMatt> But, plex should hopefully work on the pi PLUS stream to my iPad, replacing my AirVideo server
[11:29] <\\Mr_C\\> can the raspbian isntaller be done in a chroot?
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[11:30] <Triffid_Hunter> \\Mr_C\\: chroot requires binary compatibility with the host cpu
[11:30] <\\Mr_C\\> ok
[11:30] <Triffid_Hunter> \\Mr_C\\: so unless your desktop understands armv6, probably not
[11:30] <[deXter]> gazzwi86, yeah, that one should be fine, I use a similar one as well. The WiFi sleep policy can be changed using the command "if dev wlan0 set power_save off" (you may need to create a udev rule)
[11:30] <[deXter]> and the deb bug, I haven't reported it yet :)
[11:30] <Triffid_Hunter> \\Mr_C\\: you could use qemu, but that'll likely be even slower than the rpi
[11:31] <\\Mr_C\\> ok, i jacked up my sd card and need to do it again
[11:31] <jelly1> qemu isn't that slow
[11:31] <gazzwi86> [dexter]: have you got any docs you could fire me at for creating udev rules? I'm a linux n00b ish
[11:32] <[deXter]> gazzwi86, Since recent kernels, all debian and debian derivatives have this disconnection issue where the client deauthenticates from the access-point for no apparent reason, and then refuses to re-join, thinking its the wrong password. I'm trying to track this down to be a bit more specific, ie chipsets, router configuration etc
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[11:32] <Triffid_Hunter> \\Mr_C\\: why not just use a raspbian image?
[11:33] <[deXter]> gazzwi86, create a file like say /etc/udev/rules.d/wlan0.rules
[11:33] <\\Mr_C\\> i dont know
[11:34] <[deXter]> and put in it: ACTION=="add", SUBSYSTEM=="net", KERNEL=="wlan0" RUN+="/usr/sbin/iw dev wlan0 set power_save off"
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[11:36] <\\Mr_C\\> you know if they plan on doing a newer install than rpi_installer_08-19-12.zip ?
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[11:36] <jelly1> \\Mr_C\\: rpi installer of wat?
[11:38] <\\Mr_C\\> just in general
[11:38] <jelly1> there is no general
[11:38] <\\Mr_C\\> ok
[11:38] <jelly1> it's either raspbian or any other distro :p
[11:38] <\\Mr_C\\> then a newer version of this rpi_installer_08-19-12.zip
[11:39] <linuxstb> Does anyone have a link to a list of resolutions supported by the RPi camera? My google-fu is failing me...
[11:41] <[Saint]> All I can really find is "2592 X 1944"
[11:41] <[Saint]> errr, "up to 2592 X 1944"
[11:41] * jelly1 assumes raspbian then
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[11:42] <\\Mr_C\\> hehe jelly1
[11:42] <\\Mr_C\\> yea debian
[11:42] <jelly1> raspbian
[11:42] <jelly1> imo it's a fork
[11:42] <\\Mr_C\\> very well
[11:42] <[Saint]> linuxstb: found it:
[11:43] <[Saint]> "Supported digital video resolutions are: 640 × 350 EGA; 640 × 480 VGA; 800 × 600 SVGA; 1024 × 768 XGA; 1280×720 720p HDTV; 1280 × 768 WXGA Variant; 1280 × 800 WXGA Variant; 1280 × 1024 SXGA; 1366 × 768 WXGA Variant; 1400 × 1050 SXGA+; 1600 × 1200 UXGA; 1680 × 1050 WXGA+; 1920 × 1080 1080p HDTV; 1920 × 1200 WUXGA"
[11:43] <jelly1> at what framerate
[11:43] <linuxstb> [Saint]: Thanks. Do you have a link?
[11:43] <jelly1> I wonder how much cpu it costs to use it versus a normal camera
[11:43] <[Saint]> linuxstb: of all places, wikipedia - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raspberry_Pi
[11:43] * linuxstb was hoping for "quarter-1080" - i.e. 960x540
[11:44] <[Saint]> SVGA not "close enough" for you?
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[11:45] <linuxstb> I guess I'll probably use XGA. I'm intending to setup 4 cameras, and display them in a mosaic on my Pi. The GPU should be able to handle decoding 4 streams with that resolution.
[11:45] * [Saint] spots wikipedia claiming both Model A and B have a single USB port
[11:46] <gordonDrogon> it's technically true..
[11:46] <jelly1> linuxstb: I don't suspect the gpu being able to support decoding :P
[11:46] <gordonDrogon> there is a single usb interface on the Pi, but on the B there is a hub ..
[11:47] <gordonDrogon> but possibly the wording could be improved. wonder if my old wikipedia login still works ...
[11:47] <jelly1> oh dear it's just a hub
[11:47] <jelly1> my experiences with opencv + camera's on a pi isn't nice
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[11:48] <jelly1> you miss cpu power really
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[11:50] <gordonDrogon> it's an intersting experiment in taking hardware that was designed really with one narrow application in-mind and making it very general purpose (the Pi that is)
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[11:50] <linuxstb> jelly1: The gpu can't decode ?
[11:50] <jelly1> linuxstb: no
[11:51] <jelly1> not unless you fix the rpc closed api
[11:51] <jelly1> ^ talk to it
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[11:52] <linuxstb> jelly1: You've lost me...
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[11:52] <linuxstb> I'm talking about streaming (as h264) RPi camera output from multiple Pis, and then displaying them on another Pi.
[11:52] <jelly1> with what software
[11:53] <jelly1> I hope the encoding program supports the gpu :p
[11:53] <linuxstb> My own I guess.
[11:53] <linuxstb> And the raspivid sample app uses the gpu to encode.
[11:53] <jelly1> ah
[11:54] <gazzwi86> [dexter]: thanks for that. I'm still reading around for other issues. Found this: http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/1384/how-do-i-disable-suspend-mode
[11:55] <gazzwi86> Could I try both solutions? Also, what should I look for in the logs? (Sorry to be a pain...)
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[12:51] <lolbat> Ugh
[12:51] <lolbat> Was anyone here last night?
[12:53] <gordonDrogon> linkxs, you should be able to switch from one Pi to another and have it work - mixing would be the biggest issue I reckon, but simply viewing a stream needs no (arm) cpu assuming you can feed it directly into the gpu.
[12:53] <gordonDrogon> linkxs, oops- wrong person!
[12:53] <gordonDrogon> linuxstb, , you should be able to switch from one Pi to another and have it work - mixing would be the biggest issue I reckon, but simply viewing a stream needs no (arm) cpu assuming you can feed it directly into the gpu.
[12:55] <linuxstb> gordonDrogon: I've already hacked my pidvbip app to view 4 TV streams (from tvheadend - IIRC, it was 2 or 3 HD, and 2 or 1 SD), configured to output in different quarters of the screen, and that worked OK. The GPU even mixed the audio from the four channels.
[12:56] <gordonDrogon> linuxstb, well - cheap Pi security cameras here we come then ;-)
[12:57] <linuxstb> Yes, it's just a shame each camera needs its own Pi (IIUC)
[12:58] <gordonDrogon> I've seen commercial solutions that are very reasonably priced though. it would be hard to justify using a Pi when a black box with a hard drive and 8 video inputs (with power over video) taking inputs for 8 cameras can be had for under �500.
[12:58] <gordonDrogon> still you can use the Pi's for other things though!
[12:59] <gordonDrogon> so camera plus remote GPIO box.
[12:59] <gordonDrogon> poking GPIO commands from a central Pi (or Pi's)
[12:59] <gordonDrogon> ro do local stuff like open gates, turn the waterfall on/off, etc.
[13:00] <gordonDrogon> ethernet cabling much easier to run or wi-fi if appropriate, etc.
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[13:00] <gordonDrogon> open the pod bay doors, Hal ...
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[13:02] <linuxstb> My plan is just to cover my house with cams, so I can see what my 2.5-yr-old twins are up to without needing to follow them around the house ;)
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[13:03] <voltagex> hi, if anyone has a HotPi board can you please tell me which direction it's meant to face?
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[13:04] * linuxstb suspects they'll soon discover the blind-spots
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[13:11] <gordonDrogon> :)
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[14:12] <burbankboy> I'm about to head out and get a pi but
[14:12] <burbankboy> im wondering
[14:12] <burbankboy> is it as easy to set stuff up for the pi as for any other pc
[14:12] <burbankboy> with the same OS
[14:12] <burbankboy> like, if i Install Ubuntu onto the pi, am I gonna have an easy of a time getting wifi usb dongles working as on a regular pc?
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[14:12] <ShiftPlusOne> Well, first problem is that you cannot install ubuntu on the pi.
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[14:13] <burbankboy> lol
[14:13] <ShiftPlusOne> But no, it's often not as easy, there are some things you need to take into account
[14:13] <burbankboy> i thought you could :)
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[14:13] <ShiftPlusOne> For example, you'll most likely need a powered hub for a wifi dongle.
[14:13] <burbankboy> ShiftPlusOne: Well, I'm gonna buy a starter kit
[14:13] <burbankboy> containing a power adapter and stuff like that
[14:14] <gordonDrogon> there are a few different Linuxes - the popular one is Raspbian which is Debian Wheezy tailoerd for the ARM CPU on the Pi.
[14:14] <burbankboy> first and foremost, i just wanna get it up and running
[14:14] <burbankboy> Ah, nice
[14:14] <linuxstb> burbankboy: To do what? If you're looking for a cheap desktop PC, the Pi isn't really it.
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[14:14] <burbankboy> linuxstb: To experiment.
[14:14] <gordonDrogon> So, Pi, SD card and a power supply will get you going if you want to SSH into it. You'll need hdmi cable & screen, or composite for video and a usb keyboard.
[14:15] <ShiftPlusOne> burbankboy, I would recommend that you don't think of the pi as a PC, but treat it more like a mobile phone that runs linux without the mobile phone part.
[14:15] <Olipro> would I be able to use the Raspberry Pi to receive VGA output?
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[14:15] <burbankboy> gordonDrogon: Well, I'm buying a starter kit containing a box cover, power adapter and 32gb sd card
[14:16] <burbankboy> and ive got a hdmi monitor and usb keyb + mouse available
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[14:16] <burbankboy> so what im curious about is whether itll be as easy to set up with peripherals as say
[14:16] <burbankboy> ubuntu
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[14:16] <Triffid_Hunter> Olipro: only if you hooked up a usb video capture unit with a vga input.. the pi itself doesn't accept that sort of signal
[14:16] <burbankboy> because i wanna buy a usb wifi dongle as well
[14:16] <Olipro> ok, what about PS/2 input
[14:17] <linuxstb> burbankboy: Short answer I think is no. But the Pi community is huge, so if you can google, you can find instructions for almost anything.
[14:17] <Olipro> could I jerry-rig that to the GPIOs?
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[14:17] <burbankboy> linuxstb: So if I understand correctly, I won't be able to buy just any old Wifi USB dongle and have it work via plug and play?
[14:17] <Triffid_Hunter> Olipro: possibly.. you'd need to level shift it.. not sure if the protocol is timing-sensitive. if it is, an arduino might be better suited
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[14:17] <Olipro> although actually, USB host-mode presenting mouse and keyboard HID devices would be nicer
[14:18] <linuxstb> burbankboy: No, you'll need to edit a few text files to configure it.
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[14:18] <linuxstb> And you should check the Pi hardware compatibility list before buying anything for the Pi (or google)
[14:18] <burbankboy> linuxstb: alright, tahnks :)
[14:18] <burbankboy> thanks
[14:18] <burbankboy> *
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[14:19] <linuxstb> BTW, I've got a TP Link WN725N nano wifi adapter, and that works fine in the Pi, without any external power
[14:19] <linuxstb> (£10 in Argos if you're in the UK, probably cheaper online)
[14:20] <burbankboy> TL-WN723N v2 (USB ID: ID 0bda:8176 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. RTL8188CUS 802.11n WLAN Adapter, FCC ID: TE7WN723NV2) Works from a box with Raspbian 2013-02-09. Used 2.1A adapter, without powered hub.
[14:20] <burbankboy> This means it'll work flawlessly, right?
[14:20] <burbankboy> linuxstb: haha yeah, I was looking at a similar one. :)
[14:20] <linuxstb> No, it means one person has said it worked for him/her ;)
[14:20] <burbankboy> linuxstb: yes, but i mean is that what the statement is indicating
[14:20] <burbankboy> that it worked as well as could be, for that person
[14:21] <linuxstb> I would guess so, but I wouldn't assume anything to be 100% certain.
[14:22] <burbankboy> im not
[14:23] <burbankboy> i think that goes without saying when it comes to this kinda stuff
[14:23] <burbankboy> just wanna make sure im not missing important cues
[14:23] <burbankboy> :)
[14:24] <voltagex> hi, anyone using LIRC with a blaster?
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[14:26] <burbankboy> By the way, anyone know if good alternatives to a mouse?
[14:26] <burbankboy> trackball is the only thing i can think of
[14:26] <Triffid_Hunter> burbankboy: I love my trackball
[14:26] <Atlantic777> Hi guys. After installing archlinux on an rasberry and it looks that it's working (some LED's are blinking) but I can't get network to work.
[14:26] <gadgetoid> There is no gbaman...
[14:26] <burbankboy> Triffid_Hunter: :)
[14:27] <burbankboy> Oh snap!
[14:27] <burbankboy> http://www.adafruit.com/products/922
[14:27] <burbankboy> This looks cool :D
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[14:27] <Triffid_Hunter> burbankboy: there's also touchpads
[14:27] <Triffid_Hunter> burbankboy: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B003UE52ME/ looks nice
[14:27] <burbankboy> yeah
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[14:27] <gadgetoid> This week I have mostly been writing an exhaustive Python2/3 compatible driver library for this little beauty: http://www.hobbytronics.co.uk/tft-serial-display-18
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[14:29] <chithead> burbankboy: there is also the lenovo n5902 with backlit keyboard
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[14:29] <burbankboy> Man I saw that but
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[14:30] <pwillard> I found wifi to be somewhat rouch and go burbankboy... do some research in a good wifi USB device.
[14:30] <burbankboy> it looks like a gat damn shower masturbation device for women
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[14:30] <burbankboy> pwillard: Yeah, but I found one in the h/w compat. list
[14:30] <burbankboy> that should work I guess
[14:30] <chithead> I find backlit keyboard incredibly useful in htpc setting
[14:30] <burbankboy> chithead: yeah :)
[14:30] <burbankboy> for sure
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[14:33] <pwillard> The list is a good place to look, yes. Though I originally bought the Ralink part from Element 14 (called wipi) and found it less than perfect. It would work... for a while... then just stop.
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[14:35] <linuxstb> burbankboy: That TP-Link device I mentioned seemed to be pretty stable for me - I'm not using it currently, but when I did, the Pi was connected 24/7 for a few weeks and I don't think the connection ever dropped. It wasn't particularly fast, but I don't know if other adapters would be any better in that regard.
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[14:36] <voltagex> anyone using a HotPi?
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[14:37] <yehnan> linuxstb: hi, I'm considering buying TP Link WN725N. Can it be used as WiFi access point?
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[14:37] <linuxstb> yehnan: No idea, I never tried.
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[14:38] <yehnan> linuxstb: well...sigh...:P
[14:38] <linuxstb> yehnan: Google probably knows more than me ;)
[14:38] <yehnan> linuxstb: this article http://itsacleanmachine.blogspot.tw/2013/02/wifi-access-point-with-raspberry-pi.html uses TL-WN722N
[14:38] <yehnan> linuxstb: I googled. Not sure.
[14:38] <linuxstb> There you go then.
[14:39] <linuxstb> Ah, sorry - that's the 722.
[14:40] <pwillard> I eventually settled on the EDIMAX wifi. Edimax EW-7811Un works nice. No hangs.
[14:43] <linuxstb> yehnan: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:iLzeerMdbR0J:www.jenssegers.be/+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=es&client=firefox-a (the actual site seems unavailable at the moment)
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[14:45] <yehnan> pwillard: I know. However Edimax EW-7811Un can't use hostapd to be a wifi access point.
[14:45] <pwillard> Ah. Missed that.
[14:46] <yehnan> pwillard: at least not possible via a simple way.
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[14:48] <yehnan> linuxstb: thanks, very helpful. However, that is second choice for me. I would like to do it without "compile". Editing settings or configuration files is fine.
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[15:03] <burbankboy> linuxstb> burbankboy: That TP-Link device I mentioned seemed to be pretty stable for me - I'm not using it currently, but when I did, the Pi was connected 24/7 for a few weeks and I don't think the connection ever dropped. It wasn't particularly fast, but I don't know if other adapters would be any better in that regard.
[15:03] <burbankboy> That's good enough for me
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[15:04] <burbankboy> and if worst comes to worst, i just bought myself a neat little $9 dongle :)
[15:04] <burbankboy> how bad can that be :D
[15:04] <linuxstb> burbankboy: Don't blame me if it doesn't work for you though ;)
[15:04] <burbankboy> Oh, well yes, I will.
[15:04] <burbankboy> The blood's on your hands now. ;)
[15:04] <burbankboy> Hmm... what does it mean when somehting's featured in the compat. list but without any info?
[15:05] <burbankboy> Damn, I can't find any keyboard+touchpad combos
[15:05] <burbankboy> I guess I can get away with only using a keyb.?
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[15:10] <voltagex> anyone using a HotPi?
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[15:30] <arcanescu> raspivid -t 999999 -h 480 -w 640 -fps 25 -o - in this case the output would be on /dev/fd/0 ?... and by default raspivid outputs h264?
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[15:36] <arcanescu> could you use raspivid to just output raw video?
[15:36] <Schnabeltier> Hello Everyone, i've recently purchased a nice LCD-Addon incl. 5 Buttons for my Pi. I can highly recommend it to you. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=BZTWa-sCepQ
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[15:45] <linuxstb> arcanescu: I don't think raspivid can do that out-of-the-box.
[15:45] <arcanescu> linuxstb: well what im trying to do is
[15:46] <arcanescu> pipe the output of stdout to gstreamer to stream.... all i get on the other end is a static image
[15:46] <arcanescu> almost as if it takes a picture and keeps sending that out
[15:46] <arcanescu> weird
[15:46] <linuxstb> Can gstreamer handle a raw h264 stream?
[15:46] <linuxstb> i.e. without any container.
[15:47] <arcanescu> yes
[15:47] <arcanescu> if it is h264 you might need to h264parse it .... which is being handled
[15:48] <linuxstb> I can't really help, I've never used gstreamer.
[15:48] <arcanescu> well hmm... its not a gst problem really... raspivid is acting all strange
[15:49] <arcanescu> i dont need an encoded stream from the camera just raw
[15:49] <linuxstb> I'm also still waiting for my camera to arrive, so can't really help there either ;)
[15:49] <linuxstb> It's much more efficient to get the GPU to encode directly from the camera - you don't want to be pushing uncompressed images around the Pi, and then trying to encode those
[15:50] <arcanescu> :) i already have a plugin that uses GPU to encode raw frames
[15:51] <arcanescu> so that is not a problem
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[15:51] <linuxstb> What's wrong with letting raspivid do it though?
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[15:52] <linuxstb> (apart from the fact that it isn't working!)
[15:52] <arcanescu> exactly
[15:52] <arcanescu> :) the fact that it isnt working ...none id like a working solution so raspivid does it or gst doesnt matter
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[15:54] <linuxstb> I would quite like to modify raspivid so it wraps the H264 in an MPEG-TS and then multicasts it, so my TV server (tvheadend) can then read it as an IPTV service.
[15:55] <linuxstb> Do things work for you if you save some video to a file, then use gstreamer on that file?
[15:55] <burbankboy> Schnabeltier: It's in german.
[15:56] <burbankboy> Can't understand the site. :/
[15:56] <Schnabeltier> yes it's german
[15:56] <burbankboy> :(
[15:56] <Schnabeltier> but within the video link theres another link that point to another video in englisch (with finest german acccent) :D
[15:56] <burbankboy> ah
[15:56] <burbankboy> i love a fine german accent
[15:57] <Schnabeltier> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=8Q_qomlSHHk
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[15:59] <gbaman> how would one mount a partition of a disk image (raspbian disk image in this case) in a debian based OS?
[15:59] <gbaman> I need to mount the main partition to grab stuff off it
[15:59] <gbaman> only need read only
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[16:01] <Triffid_Hunter> gbaman: just mount -t ext4 /dev/sdx2 /mnt/somewhere or similar should work fine
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[16:02] <gbaman> disk image?
[16:02] <gbaman> is that not for mounting physical storage devices?
[16:03] <linuxstb> gbaman: Firstly do "fdisk -l -u disk.img" to find the sector where the partition starts (e.g. 1000). Then do "mount -o loop,offset=512000 disk.img mountpoint"
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[16:04] <linuxstb> (where offset is 512 * start sector)
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[16:09] <gbaman> thats, worked. pitty it is so complicated..
[16:09] <linuxstb> You're welcome.
[16:10] <Triffid_Hunter> oh sorry, missed the word 'image'
[16:10] <gbaman> :)
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[16:27] <arcanescu> linuxstb: i got it to work....
[16:27] <arcanescu> do i get an award or something? for being the first ish person to stream using the rpi cam?
[16:27] <arcanescu> :o
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[16:27] <linuxstb> arcanescu: Congratulations! What was the problem?
[16:27] <linuxstb> What format are you streaming?
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[16:28] <arcanescu> linuxstb: it wasnt reading the fd fast enough... so added some queues
[16:28] <linuxstb> That's something inside gstreamer?
[16:28] <arcanescu> yes
[16:29] * jelly1 wonders who has gstreamer-osm working
[16:29] <jelly1> *omx
[16:29] <arcanescu> me
[16:30] <arcanescu> it works
[16:30] <jelly1> arcanescu: cool
[16:30] <arcanescu> linuxstb: id take that award now
[16:30] <jelly1> arcanescu: did you compile it?
[16:30] <jelly1> or is there a package somewhere?
[16:30] <arcanescu> I should tweet it or something
[16:30] <linuxstb> arcanescu: So you don't count netcat as streaming?
[16:30] <jelly1> arcanescu: attention ****** :p
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[16:31] <arcanescu> jelly1: yes i compiled it... go to gst-omx git the master
[16:31] <jelly1> I was missing deps on archlinuxarm
[16:31] <arcanescu> jelly1: also atm it is only working for gst-1.0
[16:31] <jelly1> sure
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[16:31] <jelly1> I would have used it for my project
[16:32] <jelly1> since iirc opencv has a gstreamer background
[16:32] <arcanescu> linuxstb: no thats v lame
[16:32] <arcanescu> jelly1: let me send you something that might help you
[16:32] <jelly1> netcat ftw
[16:32] <jelly1> arcanescu: np
[16:33] <arcanescu> jelly1: done
[16:34] <linuxstb> arcanescu: So what is the gstreamer command needed?
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[16:34] <jelly1> arcanescu: not going to compile lol gstreamer
[16:34] <jelly1> I have gst- 1.0.7 installed
[16:35] <arcanescu> jelly1: what dependencies are missing
[16:35] <jelly1> arcanescu: lemme build it
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[16:35] <jelly1> arcanescu: imo that dude should really have made a .deb package :(
[16:35] <arcanescu> linuxstb: raspivid -t 999999 -h 480 -w 640 -fps 25 -b 2000000 -o - | gst-launch-1.0 fdsrc ! h264parse ! rtph264pay pt=96 name=pay0 ! udpsink host=xxx.xx.xxx.xxx port=5000
[16:36] <jelly1> :P
[16:36] <arcanescu> make sure i get the award plz :P
[16:36] <jelly1> what "award"
[16:36] <jelly1> I have known about gst-omx for months :p
[16:36] * linuxstb hands arcanescu the award for the first person to post in #raspberrypi that he has raspivid and gstreamer working together
[16:36] <arcanescu> no idea.... u know the hoo raa and the pat on the back
[16:36] <arcanescu> jelly1: this isnt using omx.... btw
[16:37] <gbaman> what is the lag like arcanescu?
[16:37] <arcanescu> raspivid is doing the encoding
[16:37] <jelly1> oh that sounds painfull :P
[16:37] <jelly1> arcanescu: oh lame
[16:37] <gbaman> under 2 seconds yet?
[16:37] <linuxstb> arcanescu: What's the CPU load whilst that's running?
[16:37] <jelly1> the gpu should be beefy enough >_>
[16:37] <arcanescu> however....jelly1... i was streaming a webcam using OMX :)
[16:37] <jelly1> arcanescu: good
[16:38] <jelly1> now I wonder what the hell is the difference between gst and gstreamer
[16:38] <arcanescu> jelly1: check my webpage http://garagedeveloper.wordpress.com look at the latest youtube i posted there
[16:38] <gbaman> what is the lag like arcanescu? under 2 seconds yet?
[16:38] <arcanescu> gbaman: let me check
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[16:38] <arcanescu> gbaman: its in millisecs... working pretty much real-time
[16:38] <gbaman> ....
[16:38] <gbaman> ....
[16:39] <arcanescu> gbaman: why ?
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[16:39] <arcanescu> linuxstb: let me check cpu load
[16:39] <gbaman> so you are saying, you have the picam streaming to another device with lag under a second?
[16:39] <jelly1> arcanescu: No package 'gstreamer-egl-1.0' found
[16:39] <jelly1> :)
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[16:39] <arcanescu> gbaman: to another linux machine.... what you see on my blog is something seperate
[16:40] <jelly1> oh I see
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[16:40] <jelly1> I have to build gst-plugins-bad with EGL support
[16:40] <jelly1> the pain is huge
[16:40] <gbaman> the reason i ask arcanescu is for my robot http://pi.gbaman.info/
[16:41] <arcanescu> linuxstb: %Cpu(s): 19.7 us, 7.8 sy,
[16:41] <gbaman> currently I have been using a usb webcam running at 2-3 fps with mjpeg streamer
[16:41] <arcanescu> gbaman: yes under 1 sec... let me see if i can make a video of this
[16:41] <linuxstb> arcanescu: Hmm, higher than I would have thought.
[16:41] <arcanescu> linuxstb: it goes to 6...6.3
[16:42] <arcanescu> linuxstb: i have alot of stuff running in the background
[16:42] <jelly1> get a webcam that outputs mjpg and mjpgstreamer will work fine ;)
[16:42] <jelly1> since we don't seem to have jpg encoding support in mjpgstreamer ;)
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[16:42] <gbaman> it already works just not with the picam
[16:42] <gbaman> due to a lack of v4l drivers yet
[16:43] <arcanescu> gbaman: so you want to stream to a droid?
[16:43] <gbaman> no, normally i use an ipad
[16:43] <gbaman> so a webpage
[16:43] <arcanescu> that is going to have lag...
[16:44] <gbaman> well, currently streaming with netcat has 6-10 seconds of lag
[16:44] <gbaman> and that is just to mplayer on another machine
[16:45] <arcanescu> gbaman: i have on another machine under 2 secs... thats for sure... not tried on the droid yet....
[16:45] <arcanescu> let me make a video and you can judge
[16:45] <gbaman> wait, you said milliseconds...
[16:45] <arcanescu> yes thats what i meant
[16:45] <yehnan> gbaman: 6-10 seconds of lag, are two machines in the same local network?
[16:46] <gbaman> yes
[16:46] <gbaman> seems to be a rather large buffer
[16:46] <yehnan> gbaman: mine is about 4 seconds of lag
[16:46] <gbaman> still 4 seconds is too much for a robot
[16:46] <gbaman> i need less than about 1.5 seconds
[16:46] <yehnan> gbaman: hmm... you use wifi or wired?
[16:46] <gbaman> wifi
[16:46] <linuxstb> gbaman: You could try changing mplayer's cache - e.g. "mplayer -cache 64 …."
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[16:47] <linuxstb> arcanescu: What client do you use?
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[16:49] <gbaman> Cache empty, consider increasing -cache and/or -cache-min. [performance issue]
[16:50] <linuxstb> gbaman: Try 128 - i.e. play with it.
[16:50] <gbaman> i did, 512 seems minimum
[16:50] <linuxstb> But I've always found mplayer relatively slow to start, so maybe you should look at other clients
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[16:51] <linuxstb> gbaman: And no improvement?
[16:52] <gbaman> trying 256
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[16:53] <gbaman> not as bad, about 3 seconds now of lag, still unsuitable for the robot
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[16:54] <arcanescu> linuxstb: again playing through gst at receive side
[16:54] <gbaman> so arcanescu, how complicated is it to get to your solution?
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[16:55] <arcanescu> gbaman: you just need gstreamer installed....really
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[16:56] <linuxstb> arcanescu: Does the version you use need to be installed from source, or is it in Raspbian?
[16:56] <gbaman> is it in the repository?
[16:57] <gbaman> i am not seeing it
[16:57] <gazzwi86> My headless Pi is using a wifi adapter to connect to a router. How long before the power management issue would kick in? e.g.. it drop of the network or become unresponsive
[16:58] <linuxstb> gbaman: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=293634#p293634
[17:00] <gbaman> gstreamer0.10 is in the raspbian repositary...
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[17:00] <gbaman> oh, ok, ignore that
[17:02] <arcanescu> linuxstb: ive compiled from source
[17:02] <arcanescu> linuxstb: im on 1.0... but for this 0.10 would do just fine
[17:06] <gbaman> so which should i get?
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[17:33] <gbaman> arcanescu what command you using for the client?
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[17:35] <burbankboy> What's the worst thing that can happen if I buy a bunch of peripherals for my Pi, like adapters and hubs and stuff?
[17:35] <burbankboy> Could it possibly break the Pi?
[17:35] <burbankboy> Or could it end up just not working
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[17:36] <gbaman> well,you are highly unlikely to break your pi burbankboy
[17:36] <gbaman> if you are talking usb peripherals
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[17:36] <burbankboy> gbaman: yeah
[17:37] <burbankboy> what i wanna do is just, encase the pi with a keyboard on top of the case
[17:37] <burbankboy> and power it thru usb
[17:37] <burbankboy> using a usb hub
[17:37] <gbaman> yes
[17:37] <gbaman> that should work
[17:37] <gbaman> as long as the hub is a good high power one
[17:37] <burbankboy> yeah
[17:37] <gbaman> then it will be fine
[17:37] <burbankboy> could i attach an lcd monitor too?
[17:37] <burbankboy> or is that too much power
[17:38] <gbaman> a usb monitor?
[17:38] <burbankboy> a usb-powered hdmi monitor
[17:38] <burbankboy> i guess that'd make it some kind of laptop
[17:38] <burbankboy> which is too much i suppose
[17:38] <gbaman> if you are using a powered usb hub it shouldnt matter what you attach
[17:38] <gbaman> the power is coming from the hub
[17:38] <burbankboy> alright, cool :)
[17:38] <burbankboy> aye
[17:38] <gbaman> so all depends on the hub
[17:38] <burbankboy> yeah
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[17:39] <burbankboy> hm, i guess the case needs a bunch of vents tho?
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[17:39] <pwillard> I use the D-LINK DUB-H7 powered hub to run everything...
[17:39] <gbaman> burbankboy the pi does not produce much heat....
[17:39] <burbankboy> then how come the premade cases have holes?
[17:40] <burbankboy> like those snug-fitting plastic ones
[17:40] <pwillard> to be cute with a laser cutter
[17:40] <burbankboy> haha
[17:40] <burbankboy> thats pretty bad
[17:40] <burbankboy> :(
[17:40] <burbankboy> does it need any vents at all?
[17:40] <gbaman> well, some air around the processor would be good
[17:40] <burbankboy> aight
[17:40] <pwillard> Adafruits original laser cut case has no holes
[17:40] <burbankboy> but no vents?
[17:40] <gbaman> but does not really need any vents
[17:41] <burbankboy> cool
[17:41] <gbaman> if the pi gets too hot it will scale down the processor anyway
[17:41] <gbaman> arcanescu?
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[17:42] <burbankboy> can you convertp ps/2 to usb?
[17:42] <pwillard> pibow builds a compartment around just the processor... it has holes... and I agree with those...since the airspace above the processer is very limited.
[17:42] <gbaman> yes
[17:42] <burbankboy> ok
[17:42] <burbankboy> it'd be cool having one of those silicon keyboards
[17:42] <burbankboy> atop a thin case
[17:42] <burbankboy> and then a touchpad
[17:42] <burbankboy> or something
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[17:43] <pwillard> I use the GearHead wireless Smart Touch keypad... integrated touchpad for mouse
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[17:43] <burbankboy> yeah i looked at getting something similar
[17:44] <burbankboy> but now i just wanna make a cool box of some sort
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[17:45] <pwillard> http://benheck.com/07-09-2012/raspberry-pi-project
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[17:46] <burbankboy> hahaha *yes*
[17:46] <burbankboy> thats what im talking about :D
[17:46] <burbankboy> Btw, do you tink keyboards are generally fine to use with a pi?
[17:46] <burbankboy> like, they couldnt possibly be *that* different, right?
[17:46] <burbankboy> unless they use additional drivers
[17:46] <pwillard> I have no issues with any standard PC keyboard
[17:47] <burbankboy> cool
[17:47] <pwillard> Linux implements HID support quite well
[17:47] <burbankboy> im looking at a locally produced silicon keyboard
[17:47] <burbankboy> mini-sized
[17:48] <pwillard> I've never heard of silicon keuboard... do you man silicone (flexible rubber)?
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[17:49] <burbankboy> sorry yeah :)
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[17:58] <ripzay> i had issues with a wireless keyboard
[17:58] <gbaman> hey linuxstb any idea how to view the stream?
[17:58] <ripzay> power related
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[18:01] <burbankboy> does hdmi output electricity?
[18:01] <burbankboy> if so, could you perhaps split it into usb power?
[18:02] <linuxstb> burbankboy: You mean this? http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2518
[18:03] <linuxstb> gbaman: View what stream?
[18:03] <hellsing> burbankboy, no
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[18:05] <gbaman> stream created from raspivid -t 999999 -h 480 -w 640 -fps 25 -b 2000000 -o - | gst-launch-1.0 fdsrc ! h264parse ! rtph264pay pt=96 name=pay0 ! udpsink host=xxx.xx.xxx.xxx port=5000
[18:05] <gbaman> you any idea?
[18:06] <hellsing> ripzay, details? what kind of problems
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[18:08] <burbankboy> linuxstb: cool
[18:08] <burbankboy> cant wait for that to happen :D
[18:08] <burbankboy> alright, imma head out and buy myself a piece of pi ;)
[18:09] <burbankboy> pi+case+usb switch+silicone keyboard+wifi dongle
[18:09] <burbankboy> and sd card
[18:09] <burbankboy> :)
[18:10] <hellsing> silicone keyboard, aren't very good
[18:10] <hellsing> from the one i've got, typing is horrible
[18:10] <gbaman> so any ideas linuxstb on how to watch the gstream
[18:11] <burbankboy> oh i see
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[18:13] <hellsing> burbankboy, the key are too soft and you often miss the typing
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[18:15] <burbankboy> hellsing: oh, alright
[18:15] <burbankboy> Hm, how would one power a model A?
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[18:15] <burbankboy> if the USB slot is used by say, a wifi dongle
[18:15] <burbankboy> any other slot available?
[18:15] <burbankboy> for power
[18:15] <SpeedEvil> the USB power input is separate from the USB connector
[18:15] <burbankboy> on both models?
[18:15] <gbaman> yes
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[18:16] <SpeedEvil> its a microusb connector for power in
[18:16] <hellsing> and 2 usb out
[18:16] <burbankboy> Ok, on both models?
[18:16] <hellsing> power is always on micro usb, yes, can be dangerous to power with standard usb
[18:16] <burbankboy> alright
[18:16] <burbankboy> Thanks a lot for the info. store closes in 45 so i gotta go but
[18:16] <burbankboy> see you in a bit ;)
[18:16] <burbankboy> l8r
[18:17] <hellsing> you can use a ps2 to usb adaptor to have mouse and keyboard on the same usb btw
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[18:18] <gbaman> anyone know how to open a gstream feed?
[18:18] <gbaman> or how to view it
[18:19] <hellsing> mplayer can do it, i guess
[18:19] <gbaman> ok, any idea for the command
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[18:29] <ripzay> [17:06:24] <hellsing> ripzay, details? what kind of problems
[18:29] <ripzay> it occasionally wouldnt register strokes
[18:29] <ripzay> and would occasionally register the key down, but not the key up
[18:29] <ripzay> so i would end up typing like "thiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiis"
[18:29] <ripzay> :P
[18:30] <ripzay> but the same keyboard, with the same batteries, worked fine on my other computers
[18:30] <ripzay> obviously the USB RF reciever wasnt getting enough / stable power from the pi
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[18:30] <ripzay> was fine with all of my wired keyboards
[18:32] <hellsing> quite fancy
[18:32] <hellsing> try it on a powered usb hub connected to the pi
[18:32] <lolbat> Ugh
[18:32] <lolbat> was is bad to tell it to generate ALL the locales?
[18:33] <Triffid_Hunter> lolbat: yeah that takes ages
[18:33] <hellsing> oh yeah, bad idea...
[18:33] <lolbat> what is the best way to find the ip after I plug it into my switch?
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[18:34] <hellsing> ifconfig in term
[18:35] <lolbat> I dont have a keyboard
[18:36] <hellsing> so you need to have another computer
[18:36] <hellsing> and do a netwok discover
[18:36] <Triffid_Hunter> http://triffid-hunter.no-ip.info/101_0120.JPG <-- my rpi has stable power ;D
[18:36] <lolbat> on the entire range?
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[18:36] <hellsing> i hope ssh is activated
[18:36] <lolbat> it is
[18:36] <lolbat> but that is 255*255*2 IPs to scan
[18:37] <hellsing> <lolbat> on the entire range?- no only the local 192-168-0.0 -255
[18:37] <hellsing> or whatever is your local IP range
[18:37] <lolbat> I dont use a NAT, they are outdated
[18:38] <lolbat> Every device gets its own ipv4 and 6
[18:38] <hellsing> yeah but how your devices get the ipv4 address?
[18:39] <lolbat> they use dhcp against my ISPs dhcp server
[18:39] <hellsing> <Triffid_Hunter> http://triffid-hunter.no-ip.info/101_0120.JPG <-- my rpi has stable power ;D-> what is the interest to do it?
[18:40] <hellsing> lolbat, so ask you dhcp server what are the used ip and associated clients
[18:40] <lolbat> I somehow doubt that my ISPs DHCP server will let me see a list of all their clients
[18:41] <Triffid_Hunter> hellsing: got sick of it browning out when I plugged things in, so beefed up the power distribution
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[18:42] <hellsing> lolbat, ok, my isp have a gui for that on my modem box ip adress, don't know for yours...
[18:42] <lolbat> I do not own a modem, I do not use a NAT.
[18:42] <lolbat> I dont run a DHCP server
[18:43] <hellsing> Triffid_Hunter, you can also put a big chemical capacitor to help
[18:43] <Triffid_Hunter> hellsing: don't think the three mlcc are enough?
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[18:44] <Mogwai> lolbat: If you have a display, the acquired IP is printed at the end of boot up init procedure on Raspbian
[18:44] <hellsing> the small capacitors will filter high frequency parasitics, a big one will filter lower frequency (like 1hz) parasitics, i.e. connections parasitics
[18:44] <lolbat> Mogwai: nice, that is usefull
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[18:44] <lolbat> Is a phonecharger a good powersupply?
[18:45] <Triffid_Hunter> hellsing: those are 10uF each, should be ample
[18:45] <dreamreal> lolbat: generally so, but test
[18:45] <lolbat> it appears to be working
[18:45] <hellsing> Triffid_Hunter, sure , but we can always have more :p
[18:45] <lolbat> this case seems to make it hard/impossible to use hdmi though
[18:45] <dreamreal> lolbat: sure. If it works, chances are it works well. But you can also test by measuring the current between TP1 and TP2.
[18:46] <hellsing> the voltage*
[18:46] <lolbat> I am so uncertain about what I want to use the rberrypi for
[18:46] <hellsing> use it as a dhcp server :p
[18:47] <lolbat> Why on earth would I want anything other than external IPs?
[18:48] <Bushmills> ipv4? because addresses are in short supply, maybe?
[18:48] <hellsing> so you can control the address and know which one you give and btw it was a joke...
[18:49] <lolbat> Bushmills: Ill take as many as my ISP gives me
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[18:49] <lolbat> currently that is about 10
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[18:51] <hellsing> lolbat: so you just connect all your devices to a switch and how the switch is connected to internet? rj45?
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[18:52] <lolbat> hellsing: yes
[18:52] <lolbat> I use a D-Link DGS-1224T
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[18:53] <lolbat> It has like 14 ports free, and I use a wireless access point
[18:54] <hellsing> ok
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[18:55] <lolbat> hellsing: I sort of want to buy then rasberry PIs and have a cluster of them doing something fun
[18:55] <lolbat> ten*
[18:55] <chod> minecraft
[18:56] <hellsing> lolbat, there is a post on raspberry.org about cluster of pi
[18:56] <hellsing> to act as "super" computer
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[18:56] <lolbat> My main interest was to see if I could run crashplan on it
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[18:57] <hellsing> but for the same price you can have a more powerfull conventional computer
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[18:58] <lolbat> hellsing: could borrow them out as seedboxes or irc stuff
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[18:58] <lolbat> hellsing: or send them to friends and family and ask for them to plug them in to have a backup cluster
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[18:59] <hellsing> yeah but what about the storage?
[18:59] <lolbat> usb drives?
[18:59] <Bushmills> a NAS
[18:59] <hellsing> expensive...
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[19:00] <Bushmills> nah.
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[19:00] <hellsing> and performances of usb drives on a pi aren't good
[19:00] <hellsing> a NAS is a better option
[19:00] <lolbat> I have a NAS
[19:01] <Bushmills> $49 € cubieboard, $50 SATA drive, affordable
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[19:02] <Bushmills> not RAID, though. but storage.
[19:02] <hellsing> Bushmills, i was talking about usb drives. and for a NAS i prefer a n40l proliant for example
[19:03] <Bushmills> i see
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[19:03] <Bushmills> but you'd be right calling NAS expensive. they often are.
[19:03] <gyeben> hi
[19:03] <hellsing> the waf isn't the same, and i prefer compact and solid solutions
[19:04] <lolbat> What I want is a tiny device that can run a debian based distro and java
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[19:04] <lolbat> that doesnt use a lot of power and doesnt weigh to much
[19:04] <lolbat> If I need my backup I simply ask them to mail it to me
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[19:11] <lolbat> I was thinking about creating a rasberry pi colocation buisness
[19:12] <chithead> can you do better than free? http://raspberrycolocation.com/
[19:12] <ozzzy> with people giving away pi colos you'd have to have a heck of a business plan
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[19:13] <Bushmills> yes, like offer anybody who wants to host a certain amount :)
[19:14] <Bushmills> or throw the raspberry into the deal
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[19:16] <lolbat> chithead: so cool
[19:16] <lolbat> ozzzy: I guess it was a bad idea
[19:16] <chithead> anyway, I have java (gcj and icedtea/openjdk 7) running on my rpi, under gentoo. building icedtea took quite some time though
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[19:21] <dreamreal> don't use gcj, though
[19:21] <dreamreal> the pi can run openjdk well enough, you don't need to use gcj
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[19:28] <plugwash> you do need something to build openjdk with though since AIUI it's at least partly written in java
[19:31] <dreamreal> plugwash: openjdk is available via raspbian and fedora
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[19:31] <plugwash> dreamreal, yeah but isn't pinching binaries from another distro cheating for a gentoo use?;)
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[19:35] <burbankboy> Well boys and girls
[19:36] <burbankboy> you're looking at the proud new owner of a raspberry pi
[19:36] <burbankboy> i finally did it
[19:36] <pwillard> hehe you won't regret
[19:36] <dreamreal> cool deal
[19:36] <burbankboy> two days ago i told myself "NO MORE frivolous spending"
[19:36] <burbankboy> "NO MORE"
[19:36] <burbankboy> "thats IT"
[19:36] <burbankboy> "this is FINAL"
[19:36] <burbankboy> and now i own a pi.
[19:36] <dreamreal> the raspi isn't frivolous! It's only $35, anyway, so even if it were frivolous it's not enough to register
[19:36] <gordonDrogon> Mmmm frivolous spending .... ;-)
[19:36] <gyeben> burbankboy: buying a Pi is not a frivolous spending
[19:37] <burbankboy> well...
[19:37] <gyeben> oops, too late :)
[19:37] <burbankboy> um..
[19:37] <burbankboy> i might have bought a keyboard, case and some other stuff too..
[19:37] <burbankboy> ;'(
[19:37] <pecorade> Hi.
[19:37] <burbankboy> i couldnt help it...
[19:38] <ant_thomas> I own 4 and all are well worth what was paid!
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[19:39] <burbankboy> i hope this mini usb cable will work
[19:39] <burbankboy> i heard that even getting power from the usb can be a bitch
[19:41] <burbankboy> ok i just got told by some youtube guy not to power my pi from a pc
[19:41] <burbankboy> there goes my shot at running this :(
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[19:41] <ant_thomas> Nope. Usually need a separate power supply that can supply ~1A at 5V
[19:41] <burbankboy> Actually I did find one of those apple charging socket plugs
[19:41] <ant_thomas> Got a phone charger?
[19:41] <burbankboy> could i connect the mini usb into that one and plug it into the power outlet?
[19:42] <burbankboy> aside from that i dont have a phone charger i thin
[19:42] <burbankboy> k
[19:43] <ant_thomas> It's a Micro USB cable for the Pi. If the apple charger supplies 1A which I think it might you can usually use that
[19:43] <burbankboy> ok
[19:43] <burbankboy> ill plug this sucker in
[19:43] <ant_thomas> put an image on an SD card?
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[19:45] <burbankboy> well cant i see if it gets power at least
[19:45] <burbankboy> without an sd card?
[19:45] <plugwash> genuine apple chargers are fine afaict
[19:46] <burbankboy> would there be any danger in running a pi from within a beer can?
[19:46] <plugwash> counterfiet apple chargers can be more problematic :/
[19:46] <burbankboy> nah, im using the one i got with my iphone or ipad or w/e
[19:46] <gordonDrogon> getting it in the beer can in the first place...
[19:46] <burbankboy> ill cut off the bottom or something
[19:46] <ant_thomas> and then making sure there's nothing conductive touching the sides
[19:46] <gordonDrogon> why a beer can?
[19:46] <plugwash> assuming the can is dry and you build appropriate supports to make sure that the solder joints on the board don't touch the can you should be fine
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[19:54] <burbankboy> ok
[19:55] <burbankboy> so the PWR light went red
[19:55] <burbankboy> thats good right
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[19:55] <burbankboy> ant_thomas and plugwash: sounds great :)
[19:55] <burbankboy> gordonDrogon: actually im probably gonna do an energy drink can or something
[19:55] <deuxenun> hello. Is there a way to fix a corrupted SD card?
[19:55] <burbankboy> would be funny to have a computer sticking out
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[19:55] <burbankboy> or rather, 2-3 cables
[19:56] <burbankboy> and it being a fully functional comp :)
[19:56] <ant_thomas> burbankboy: get raspbian on an SD card and get it booted
[19:56] <burbankboy> ant_thomas: aye, but red light = good?
[19:56] <burbankboy> (in rasp. terminology that is ;) )
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[19:56] <ant_thomas> well that one can only be red! so yes
[19:56] <burbankboy> ok gr8 thx
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[19:58] <burbankboy> oh man i just realized that you can turn this sucker into a standalone, portable security camera
[19:58] <burbankboy> yay
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[20:00] <burbankboy> pretty disappointing that you cant power it thru pc usb though
[20:00] <burbankboy> or mac usb
[20:00] <burbankboy> it was part reason why i bought the thing
[20:02] <ant_thomas> What made you think that was possible?
[20:02] <ant_thomas> It may work, but might not
[20:03] <burbankboy> when talking about USB i assumed that people were talking about the way in which USB is typically used
[20:03] <burbankboy> i.e. with a PC
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[20:08] <burbankboy> man wtf
[20:08] <plugwash> You can usually get away with powering it off a PC/mac, it's just that it is a bit heavy on the current so they don't officially advise it
[20:08] <burbankboy> i bought a case and when trying to close the bottom it rubs up against the card
[20:08] <burbankboy> theres no room for closing it
[20:08] <burbankboy> what a piece of crap
[20:08] <burbankboy> alright plugwash
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[20:10] <burbankboy> http://media2.rsdelivers.cataloguesolutions.com/LargeProductImages/RCase-BLK-01.jpg
[20:10] <burbankboy> this is the one i have
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[20:10] <burbankboy> no instructions or anything
[20:12] <gordonDrogon> I power my Pi's via PC USB ..
[20:12] <burbankboy> also, how am i supposed to know if im denting this fucker
[20:12] <burbankboy> after trying to get it into the case
[20:13] <burbankboy> who knows what damage ive done
[20:13] <gordonDrogon> burbankboy, be aware that this is a family friendly channel.
[20:13] <burbankboy> they should make this case family friendly too
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[20:13] <gordonDrogon> that constituses a warning..
[20:14] <burbankboy> exactly how much can a card get damaged? can i scratch the sides against anything?
[20:14] <burbankboy> as i try to push it into the slot?
[20:14] <\\Mr_C\\> how do i get the serial to give me a shell prompt after bootup, its just showing me the data logs with no prompt?
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[20:16] <gordonDrogon> \\Mr_C\\, press enter - you should get a login.
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[20:17] <gordonDrogon> \\Mr_C\\, if not, then look in /etc/inittab (assuming raspbian)
[20:17] <chod> what level of comms can the small cheap 400mhz boards do
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[20:17] <gordonDrogon> chod, a small cheap 16MHz board can do 8MHz SPI and 115K serial, so ... what do you think?
[20:17] <\\Mr_C\\> its not giving me a prompt, only the boot log etc...
[20:18] <chod> coo
[20:18] <gordonDrogon> \\Mr_C\\, see if there is a getty running - if raspbian check /etc/inittab for entries for /dev/ttyACM0
[20:18] <chod> sorry i ment rf boards
[20:18] <\\Mr_C\\> ok, moment...
[20:18] <gordonDrogon> chod, you mean like the 415MHz things?
[20:18] <chod> aye
[20:19] <gordonDrogon> chod, read the back of the packet - they're usually OK at 9600 baud, some faster.
[20:19] <burbankboy> Has anyone managed to get a pi into a case before?!
[20:19] <burbankboy> Mine just won't fit
[20:20] <chod> mine are in cacses
[20:20] <chod> case
[20:20] <gordonDrogon> as are mine.
[20:20] <burbankboy> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRbfQCxEWYs
[20:21] <burbankboy> im following this guy's instructions
[20:21] <chod> there are many cases i expect some of the cheap ones are rubbish
[20:21] <burbankboy> but the bottom just won't close
[20:21] <gordonDrogon> not that case though.
[20:21] <\\Mr_C\\> i see some tty stuff, but no acm0
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[20:21] <burbankboy> it almost closes, but one of the corners always remain resistent
[20:21] <ozzzy> the smoke just came out of my pi
[20:21] <ozzzy> =(
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[20:21] <burbankboy> :(
[20:21] <chod> ozzzy: what did u do
[20:21] <burbankboy> god i regret buying this already
[20:22] <ozzzy> dunno... was running... then the red light went out
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[20:22] <ozzzy> I rebooted and the red light came on for a second then went ou
[20:22] <chod> erm
[20:22] <ozzzy> processor is hot
[20:22] <chod> OC?
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[20:22] <ozzzy> nope
[20:22] <chod> x polarity?
[20:22] <chod> bad things on gpio pins
[20:22] <ozzzy> nope... it was running
[20:22] <ozzzy> nothing on the gpio pins
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[20:23] <ozzzy> power coming in one end network the other
[20:23] <gordonDrogon> ozzzy, smoke isn't a good thing.
[20:23] <chod> iron filings on desk, pi not in case
[20:23] <ozzzy> pi is in the case...
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[20:23] <gordonDrogon> \\Mr_C\\, is it raspbian ?
[20:23] <\\Mr_C\\> yes
[20:23] <gordonDrogon> \\Mr_C\\, I only ask about raspbian as that's the only distro I could help you with..
[20:23] <\\Mr_C\\> it is raspbian
[20:24] <Firehopper> anyone have a good benchmark/stress test for a pi running raspbian
[20:24] <gordonDrogon> \\Mr_C\\, what does: fgrep -i ama /etc/inittab
[20:24] <gordonDrogon> give you?
[20:25] <\\Mr_C\\> its blank
[20:25] <\\Mr_C\\> im missing that last line
[20:25] <gordonDrogon> add this: T0:23:respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttyAMA0 115200 vt100
[20:25] <\\Mr_C\\> yea
[20:25] <\\Mr_C\\> thats what i just read
[20:25] <\\Mr_C\\> man your fast
[20:25] <gordonDrogon> to the bottom of /etc/inittab, then sudo kill -1 1
[20:25] <\\Mr_C\\> hehe
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[20:25] <burbankboy> rofl,. when i force it closed the card's ports doesnt line up with the holes in the case. how the ***#"%"#*%"#*% can this even be?!
[20:26] <gordonDrogon> burbankboy, complain to RS...
[20:26] <burbankboy> no need. im returning this piece of ***. what a waste of time and money. broken by design before i even got started
[20:26] <chod> is the case the right way around
[20:26] <burbankboy> yes chod
[20:26] <burbankboy> but nvm
[20:26] <burbankboy> thx tho
[20:27] <\\Mr_C\\> thank you sir
[20:27] <chod> did it come in parts
[20:27] <burbankboy> no it came looking perfectly fine
[20:27] <burbankboy> closed etc
[20:27] <chod> oh i can see you issue then.
[20:27] <chod> s/your/your
[20:27] <chod> doh
[20:27] <burbankboy> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRbfQCxEWYs
[20:27] <burbankboy> its this case
[20:27] <\\Mr_C\\> it works now, thanks for the help
[20:29] <gordonDrogon> burbankboy, a badly fitting case isn't the end of the world - have more patience.
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[20:30] <burbankboy> i have no patience for stuff that wastes my time and shouldnt have been shipped in the first place. i bought this so i could set it up and enjoy a couple of hours here and there modifying the software, not so i could make several trips to the store because someone couldnt do their job properly
[20:30] <burbankboy> imho
[20:30] <burbankboy> but thanks for helping me before
[20:30] <burbankboy> appreciate everyone taking the time :)
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[20:36] <burbankboy> Ok so
[20:37] <burbankboy> Raspberry Pi contracted oneninedesign.co.uk to design these cases
[20:37] <burbankboy> except this one's too small
[20:37] <burbankboy> I confirmed the way it's supposed to be applied and
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[20:37] <burbankboy> it's literally 1mm or more smaller in width than it needs to be to work
[20:37] <burbankboy> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=jqbRZze346Y
[20:37] <burbankboy> this is how you attach it
[20:38] <burbankboy> and my case is literally too narrow for this to be possible. i forced it in place, and the mould's edges are literally too small to encapsulate the entirety of the card
[20:38] <burbankboy> what a load of bull
[20:39] <chod> can u file it or add some spacing ?
[20:39] <gordonDrogon> ok, you've made your point. send it back and be done.
[20:39] <burbankboy> no idea
[20:39] <burbankboy> gordonDrogon: I actually thought it would be beneficial to communicate that its error by design
[20:39] <burbankboy> or production
[20:39] <gordonDrogon> if you're in the UK you have the sale of goods and distance selling regs in your favour.
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[20:39] <burbankboy> my point is that i doubt this is the only case
[20:40] <chod> have you told them yet?
[20:40] <Vlad> yay, that took long enough
[20:40] <burbankboy> i am
[20:40] <Vlad> anyone who ordered the camera module from RS, check your email
[20:40] <Vlad> i've finally got a dispatch email
[20:40] <Vlad> 7 days after ordering
[20:40] <chod> coo
[20:40] <gordonDrogon> Vlad, not ordered one from anyone yet ...
[20:41] <chris_99> Vlad, damn :( i ordered one last week and they said it'd be with me tommorow
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[20:41] <Vlad> they said the same when i ordered, 1 day dispatch
[20:41] <Vlad> then silence for a week
[20:41] <chris_99> cheeky scamps
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[20:47] <Firehopper> anyone have a good benchmark/stress test for a pi running raspbian?
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[20:48] <gordonDrogon> Firehopper, http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=44080 ?
[20:49] <burbankboy> ok broke the case but finally got it in, so i guess im ready to roll. hope for the company's sake that it was just my unit and not an entire batch
[20:50] <thogue> Vlad: that stinks, Newark / Farnell had it in my hands in 48 hours. (no expedite, didnt order until the end of the first day)
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[20:50] <burbankboy> Is it easy to shorten a cable?
[20:50] <burbankboy> im thinking i wanna make this mini usb cable shorter
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[20:55] <SpeedEvil> has anyone done dab radio on the pi?
[20:55] <Twist-> burbankboy: yes. there are only 4 wires. google up "usb pinout"
[20:56] <Twist-> Heh.. apparently there are 5.
[20:56] <Twist-> ~the more you know~
[20:56] <burbankboy> thanks :)
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[20:57] <SpeedEvil> two wires for the pi power USB
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[21:36] <\\Mr_C\\> anyone used a PL-2303HXD usb to ttl?
[21:37] <ozzzy> yep...
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[21:37] <ozzzy> I have some that will reboot the pi as soon as they're plugged in
[21:38] <\\Mr_C\\> for some reason the tx light isnt lighting that much, you can barely see it if the lights are dim
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[21:47] <ArchDuker> I am attempting to connect to my pi via ethernet connected to a windows laptop. I have tried the directions here - http://pihw.wordpress.com/guides/direct-network-connection/in-a-nut-shell-direct-network-connection/ - and am still unable to get either computer to ping thing other. Does anyone have experience with this?
[21:47] <\\Mr_C\\> yes
[21:48] <\\Mr_C\\> did you set an ip for both ?
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[21:49] <\\Mr_C\\> for example set one to 192.168.1.1 / 255.255.255.0 and the other one to 192.168.1.2 / 255.255.255.0
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[21:49] <ArchDuker> The IP for the windows laptop is automatically obtained from my router, I manually set the IP for the pi according to the linked directions
[21:50] <ArchDuker> Ah, I mismatched, the pi is 169.254.0.2
[21:50] <\\Mr_C\\> umm direct connection should have no router in between
[21:50] <ArchDuker> It doesn't
[21:50] <\\Mr_C\\> 1 cable to both ports
[21:50] <ArchDuker> The laptop is still connected to wifi, would that cause a problem?
[21:50] <\\Mr_C\\> probably
[21:51] <\\Mr_C\\> you still need to set an ip for the athernet adapter
[21:51] <\\Mr_C\\> you still need to set an ip for the ethernet adapter
[21:51] <ArchDuker> On the pi?
[21:51] <\\Mr_C\\> on both
[21:51] <\\Mr_C\\> manually
[21:51] <ArchDuker> On the pi, does that involve adding ip=xxx.xxx.x.x in /boot/cmdline.txt?
[21:51] <\\Mr_C\\> no
[21:52] <\\Mr_C\\> to the /etc/networks/interfaces
[21:52] <\\Mr_C\\> on debian or raspbian
[21:52] <ArchDuker> raspbian
[21:52] <ArchDuker> Are there any directions online for this, this seems very different than the directions on raspberrypi.org that didn't seem to work
[21:53] <rikkib> Check your route. Type route in a root console
[21:54] <ArchDuker> link-local gateway: * genmask: 255.255.0.0 Flags: U Metric: 0 Ref: 0 Use: 0 Iface: eth0
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[22:04] <gildean> on windows you can use internet connection sharing to share the wifi to the ethernet and still retain the connectivity between the two computers
[22:05] <gildean> it sets the ethernet port of your laptop to serve dhcp and use the wifi as the upstream gateway
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[22:24] <burbankboy> so
[22:24] <burbankboy> first pi boot
[22:24] <burbankboy> using mini silicone keyboard
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[22:24] <burbankboy> everything went 100% fine
[22:24] <burbankboy> good stuff
[22:28] <steve_rox> fun
[22:29] <bigx> http://xseignard.github.io/2013/05/20/plug-your-minitel-on-your-raspberry-pi/
[22:31] <ParkerR> Nice
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[22:34] <gordonDrogon> bigx, Ah, you got it working ok then?
[22:36] <burbankboy> If I could just replace the mini usb port with a real power plug, and either mount a mini projector or a tiny display on the front
[22:36] <burbankboy> i could just wrap the whole thing in the silicone keyboard and carry it with me as a fully functional device
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[22:36] <burbankboy> which is esp. nice since the keyboard is retractible :x
[22:36] <burbankboy> retractable*
[22:37] <burbankboy> its too bad tho that the pi distro doesnt seem to be configured for keyboard only use
[22:38] <ParkerR> That can be said about many window managers
[22:38] <ParkerR> Not just the one on the Pi (LXDE)
[22:38] <ParkerR> Try i3 or dwm
[22:38] <ParkerR> Or awesome for that matter
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[22:39] <gordonDrogon> or fvwm2 or xfce4 ..
[22:40] <burbankboy> i wonder if an old iphone could be used as a display :P
[22:40] <ParkerR> Via VNC yes
[22:40] <burbankboy> nah, i meant as an analogue screen
[22:40] <ParkerR> Analogue screen?
[22:41] <burbankboy> yes as in hacking the iphone and somehow using it to display the pi's video out
[22:41] <ParkerR> Never heard that called analogue screen
[22:41] <ParkerR> I just say external display
[22:41] <burbankboy> who cares about definitions and terminology
[22:41] <ParkerR> :P
[22:42] <ParkerR> I care when I get confused :|
[22:43] <burbankboy> :)
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[22:54] <gordonDrogon> it's less likely that you'll be able to use existing displays from e.g. iPhone on the Pi - mostly due to their proprietary nature.
[22:54] <gordonDrogon> lots of people are using the little 3" car reversing displays though - they're analog.
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[23:09] <ArchDuker> I'm still having trouble connecting my pi and windows 7 laptop directly over ethernet (no router access). I gave the pi a static IP (192.168.0.2) in '/boot/cmdline.txt', disabled my wifi connection in windows, gave my local area connection the IP of 192.168.0.1 sub 255.255.0.0. What am I missing? Do I have to set 192.168.0.1 as the gateway in cmcline.txt?
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[23:10] <ArchDuker> Do I need to make the change in /etc/network/interfaces instead of /boot/cmdline.txt?
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[23:11] <ant_thomas> Are you using an ethernet switch? Crossover cable? (not sure if a crossover cable is required these days for direct connections but it certainly used to be)
[23:12] <ArchDuker> Just a direct connection with an ethernet, pi to laptop
[23:12] <rikkib> Yes you do need to set the ip in /etc/network/interfaces
[23:13] <rikkib> type ifconfig as root to set ip details
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[23:13] <rikkib> /set/see
[23:13] <ArchDuker> Is it alright if I manually make the changes to /etc/network.interfaces?
[23:13] <rikkib> yes
[23:14] <ArchDuker> Thanks rikkib, I'll give that a shot now
[23:15] <rikkib> auto eth0
[23:15] <rikkib> #allow-hotplug eth0
[23:15] <rikkib> iface eth0 inet static
[23:15] <rikkib> address 192.168.44.1
[23:15] <rikkib> netmask 255.255.255.0
[23:15] <rikkib> network 192.168.44.0
[23:15] <rikkib> broadcast 192.168.44.255
[23:15] <rikkib> gateway 192.168.254.254
[23:15] <rikkib> dns-nameservers 203.114.168.2 203.114.128.2
[23:15] <rikkib> dns-search bencom.co.nz
[23:15] <rikkib> my interfaces
[23:15] <rikkib> # + commented out line
[23:16] <rikkib> # = commented out line
[23:16] <Bushmills> shouldn't be needed if ip address entered manually with ifconfig
[23:16] <Bushmills> cable is more likely the reason
[23:17] <rikkib> If you are connecting machines without a hub or switch you need a cross over cable
[23:17] <Bushmills> oh ... "in '/boot/cmdline.txt'" ...
[23:18] <Bushmills> not entering interactively ...
[23:18] <burbankboy> I found a tiny display that pulls 8.5W / 12V
[23:18] <burbankboy> will I be able to get that out of a USB dongle shared with the pi?
[23:18] <burbankboy> or adapter rather
[23:18] <Bushmills> 12 volts?
[23:18] <rikkib> setting ip in cmdline.txt is used for special situations like nfs boot
[23:18] <burbankboy> yea
[23:19] <ozzzy> how are you going to get 12v out of a usb dongle
[23:19] <Firehopper> burbankboy, no the usb thing outputs 5v
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[23:19] <burbankboy> ok
[23:19] <Bushmills> maybe you could try to connect your 220 volt monitor to usb
[23:19] <nickwebcouk> is there any way to change the timezone on my Pi from BST to GMT? The TZ is set to London/Europe...
[23:19] <Firehopper> you may be able to get a 12v supply to supply a 5 volt converter for the pi though
[23:19] <burbankboy> i just want to avoid having to use multiple cables
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[23:19] <burbankboy> would like to only have to use a single usb cable
[23:20] <Bushmills> nickwebcouk: the TZ, or the time it shows?
[23:20] <ozzzy> well... usb is limited to 500mA @ 5v
[23:20] <Firehopper> nickwebcouk, use the raspbi-config thing I think
[23:20] <ozzzy> so I don't know how you're going to get 12v out of it
[23:20] <rikkib> setting ip in cmdline.txt also has special needs such as manually setting a default route
[23:20] <nickwebcouk> Bushmills: Firehopper tried the raspi-config, plus dpkg-reconfigure tzdata, yeah, to change it showing from BST to GMT, i.e
[23:20] <burbankboy> okay
[23:21] <nickwebcouk> https://gist.github.com/nickwebcouk/39081424dcb989bfe3e7
[23:21] <Firehopper> eventually I will use a stepdown voltage converter to power my lcd and pi. but for now, 2 power supplys
[23:21] <Bushmills> nickwebcouk: dpkg-reconfigure tzdata
[23:21] <Bushmills> assuming raspbian
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[23:21] <ozzzy> I bring 12v in and split it out to 8.1v and 5.1v
[23:21] <nickwebcouk> Bushmills: done that, selected Europe/London, still BST. Even tried changing the locale. No dice. :(
[23:21] <Firehopper> I got heatsinks on my pi and lcd controller. so its closer to being usable :)
[23:22] <Bushmills> nickwebcouk: how do you know that it's still wrong?
[23:22] <Firehopper> still is mounted on a bit of plywood though :)
[23:22] <Firehopper> nick have you rebooted?
[23:22] <nickwebcouk> typing in date into the terminal gives me the above paste. Im hoping for a GMT instead...
[23:22] <Firehopper> dont know if that helps or not
[23:23] <Bushmills> BST is british summer time?
[23:23] <Bushmills> sond righ
[23:23] <Bushmills> sounds
[23:23] <Bushmills> right
[23:23] <nickwebcouk> Firehopper: done that also. Bushmills, yeah, BST is British Summer Time, but its 1 hour behind (GMT +1 is correct just now)
[23:24] <nickwebcouk> hang on. I've just made a cock of myself...
[23:24] <Simon-> you set the TZ to London and wondered why it was giving you BST?
[23:24] <nickwebcouk> it would appear I've been reading the wrong pi. I have 2 and havnt set one up properly.
[23:24] <Bushmills> UTC+1 should be it now now. which is GMT, afaik. (that is, GMT taking account of summertime, UTC doesn't)
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[23:24] <nickwebcouk> Simon-: Bushmills yup. My bad. Sorry! :)
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[23:25] <Firehopper> http://www.flickr.com/photos/firehopper/8571797873/ My pi :)
[23:25] <nickwebcouk> Simon-: I was reading the wrong time from a differnet pi wher ethe locale is set to something different..
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[23:37] <pwillard> melody11
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[23:41] <pecorade> Hi.
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[23:56] <harris> can please you go to go to http://db.tt/huZfKHd2 and sign up for dropbox and download the application
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[23:57] <gordonDrogon> harris, why?
[23:58] <harris> i need more dropbox space
[23:58] <gordonDrogon> so why not just ask people to use your referral link directly ...
[23:58] <harris> if you sign up via that link we both get 500 mb extra space
[23:59] <gordonDrogon> I already have a dropbox account.
[23:59] <harris> oh ok
[23:59] <harris> can you give the link to your friends
[23:59] <harris> i really need space3

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