#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2013-05-21

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[0:00] <harris> gordonDrogon, i dont have anyones email
[0:00] <harris> gordonDrogon, i dont have anyones email
[0:00] <ShiftPlusOne> harris, that is a little inappropriate.
[0:00] <ring0> please don't spam
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[0:01] <harris> ok
[0:01] <harris> sorry
[0:01] <two_six_four_fiv> Is this kit worth buying? http://www.microcenter.com/product/402492/Raspberry_Pi_Starter_Kit
[0:01] <harris> wont do it again
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[0:01] <harris> two_six_four_fiv, i think it is
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[0:02] <lolbat> how long from boot til ssh is up_
[0:02] <lolbat> ?
[0:02] <lolbat> ssh: connect to host port 22: Connection refused
[0:02] <pksato> not so long
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[0:04] <gordonDrogon> two_six_four_fiv, it's an expensive kit, but if you want all the bits, then ...
[0:05] <two_six_four_fiv> I don't "need" all the bits but I'm wondering if I'd be pretty much set to try many different things with it. Also, is the 256 mb on the specifications a mistake since it's model B? http://www.microcenter.com/product/402492/Raspberry_Pi_Starter_Kit
[0:05] <lolbat> Why would I get connection refused?
[0:05] <d481a3> i'd buy it seperately, ebay is your friend
[0:05] <Armand> lolbat, check the IP address is correct.
[0:05] <pksato> lolbat: you using a ssh enabled OS version?
[0:06] <Bushmills> lolbat: did network come up at all?
[0:08] <d481a3> two_six_four_fiv: if you buy the model B from a re-seller you should be able to get all the parts of the kit for less that the package, i think you are paying for the convenience
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[0:08] <Bushmills> never mind. it probably did
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[0:09] <two_six_four_fiv> d481a3: Yes you are probably right. The only good thing is I live next to microcenter so wouldn't have to pay for shipping individual parts. I'm going to price it out although pricing the 60+ components will be impossible.
[0:11] <d481a3> two_six_four_fiv: sounds to me like the package is probably the better option taking into account the shipping alone then :)
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[0:12] <two_six_four_fiv> d481a3: ok, that is probably what I will do then. Thanks for your advice.
[0:12] <d481a3> two_six_four_fiv: np
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[0:35] <harris> gtg gotta go swimming with dog
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[1:10] <Serano> does anyone have some experience with bridging on a raspberry in combination with openvpn
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[1:14] <Serano> I have a raspberry pi in a colocation at a datacenter. I've got a direct inet connection, in other words i've got a public ip on my interface. My goal is to let that device be a central openvpn server. I've got it working with tun. Now because some people play games that have gamediscovery placed in layer 2, I need to use tap to support that.
[1:14] <Serano> My understanding is that I will need to bridge my connection.
[1:15] <pksato> Serano: and you have more that one ip?
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[1:15] <Serano> I only have a public ip
[1:15] <pksato> one? two? 10000? ips?
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[1:16] <Serano> 1 public ip, no local lan. I want to 'lan' to be virtual. So basicly a bridge between eth0 and tap0
[1:16] <Serano> my question is do i set it up like bridge_ports eth0 ta0
[1:16] <Serano> or how do I go about it
[1:16] <pksato> to functional bridge, you need a extra ip on you colocation.
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[1:18] <pksato> eth0-tap0 <openvpn> tap0-eth0, now, you inter connected you lan to datacenter lan.
[1:18] <Serano> What I would like to do is for example get everyone to connect to the VPN and have a lan that will allow bcast and IPX so they can find eachother. Basicly the central server is a hub
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[1:18] <pksato> IPX?
[1:19] <Serano> oldschool protocol, that is being used for ex in AoE to discover local games.
[1:19] <pksato> time distortion comming...
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[1:20] <pksato> but, I never uses tap devices.
[1:21] <Serano> well i have 20 clients connected on the vpn with tun right now
[1:21] <Serano> and everything works perfectly
[1:21] <Serano> but for our needs we need to switch to tap
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[1:21] <Serano> becuase it can transfer network protocols
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[1:36] <chod> not NAT then
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[1:51] * ozzzy 's new Pi is in Greenville SC
[1:52] <ozzzy> I thought they were shipping out of toronto... guess not
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[1:59] <hydroxygen> my new one will be here tomorrow ; }
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[2:54] <burbankboy> waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaait a minute
[2:54] <burbankboy> projector+mic in+speakers.....
[2:54] <burbankboy> = KARAOKE MACHINE!!!!
[2:54] <burbankboy> :D
[2:55] <harris> hi
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[2:59] <harris> hey
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[2:59] <harris> ozzzy, whats up
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[3:01] <ozzzy> patiently waiting for a new Pi
[3:01] <harris> why a new one
[3:01] <ozzzy> because the smoke came out of mine
[3:01] <harris> where you order from
[3:01] <taza> You let the magic smoke escape?
[3:01] <taza> How?
[3:01] <ozzzy> Element 14
[3:02] <ozzzy> just sitting here minding my own business.... and the red light went out
[3:02] <taza> Weird. Did it actually smoke?=
[3:02] <ozzzy> along with some stink
[3:02] <ozzzy> no... I didn't see any smoke LOL
[3:02] <taza> I'd replace the power supply for sure.
[3:02] <chithead> was it overclocked?
[3:02] <ozzzy> no
[3:03] <chithead> then it may be under warranty still
[3:03] <ozzzy> the supply is a nice, ripple free, stable 5.1V
[3:03] <ozzzy> I didn't pay for it
[3:03] <taza> chithead: Uh, what?
[3:03] <taza> chithead: What warranty terms are you reading?
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[3:03] <chithead> the warranty bit from /proc/cpuinfo
[3:04] <taza> chithead: Yeah, do you actually understand what that is?
[3:04] <chithead> if it is set, then the pi was overclocked in an unsafe manner, which voids the warranty
[3:04] <taza> chithead: Read up.
[3:04] <taza> You'd be wrong.
[3:05] <chithead> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/2008
[3:05] <taza> *sigh* Still wrong.
[3:06] <taza> Or rather, outdated.
[3:06] <chithead> this is what I read, and it came directly from the foundation. I don't think they can change warranty terms after sale
[3:06] <taza> They can.
[3:06] <taza> And have.
[3:06] <chithead> the new terms would affect new sales only
[3:07] <taza> And no.
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[3:08] <ozzzy> so if you crank it up to 1GHz do you need to heatsink it
[3:09] <taza> ozzzy: Not in most cases, I'm pretty sure.
[3:09] <taza> However, I don't do overclocking, so the forums may be more reliable.
[3:09] <ozzzy> neither do I
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[3:12] <taza> chithead: You cannot alter a warranty in a way that would harm the consumer. You can however extend protection all you want.
[3:12] <chithead> the pi will throttleif it gets too hot. so if you see that happening, you need a heatsink (or lower ambient temperature)
[3:12] <taza> And the Foundation altered the warranty regarding overclocking.
[3:13] <taza> ... in fact that link you linked actually details that.
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[3:14] <taza> Overvolting no longer automatically voids the warranty; however, there are some caveats, which I won't detail.
[3:15] <taza> Overclocking without overvolting at no point voided the warranty.
[3:15] <chithead> essentially the new turbo mode gives some safe way of overclocking. but you can still override and overclock unsafely. that will set the warranty bit. are you saying that the warranty bit is irrelevant now?
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[3:15] <harris> ozzzy, i ordered it from amazon and got it the next day
[3:15] <taza> I think that the warranty bit is set by the turbo mode.
[3:15] <ozzzy> amazon takes forever to canada
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[3:15] <taza> I cannot at the moment confirm that, however.
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[3:15] <harris> ozzzy, did you use turbo mode
[3:15] <ozzzy> nope
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[3:16] <chithead> afair, the warranty bit is set by overvolt + disabled thermal throttling
[3:16] <harris> and i am a prime member so i get 2 day shipping
[3:16] <harris> so ozzzy i would call the support
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[3:16] <ozzzy> why... it's dead
[3:16] <ozzzy> and I didn't pay for it anyway
[3:16] <harris> so is it under warenty
[3:17] <ozzzy> I have no idea... I don't know when it was bought
[3:17] <harris> i would call
[3:17] <ozzzy> if it was even bought... it might have been provided by my buddy's company
[3:17] <ozzzy> who would I call
[3:17] <taza> chithead: Have to concede that point - the warranty bit is no longer set by just overvolting, you need to kill thermal throttling too.
[3:17] <taza> And killing thermal throttling sure voids your warranty
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[3:18] <harris> hey ozzzy read this http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=44140&p=351488
[3:18] <ozzzy> why LOL
[3:19] <harris> just read it im just trying to hel[
[3:19] <harris> help
[3:19] <taza> chithead: My apologies for the inaccurate information.
[3:19] <ozzzy> well... thanks for the thoughts... but it's dead... a new one is coming
[3:20] <harris> ok
[3:20] <harris> its just that you have helped me before so im trying to return the favor
[3:20] <taza> The original point was; just using "overclock" as a generic term is bad, because there are ways to overclock your Pi without voiding the warranty.
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[3:20] <ozzzy> np... tks for the thoughts
[3:20] <chithead> taza: but you are correct that strict overclocking is and was always ok. only when overvolting and disabling of safety measures comes into play the warranty is void
[3:20] <ozzzy> I don't even know where it was purchased... it was given to me
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[3:21] <chithead> by extension if you never overclocked or overvolted, the warranty should still be in place
[3:21] <taza> I overclock but don't overvolt.
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[3:28] <ozzzy> my dog is snoring....
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[3:29] <ozzzy> et Jean a de longue moustache
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[3:39] <PKodon> http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/mod-your-raspberry-pi-into-a-retro-dos-game-console/
[3:39] <PKodon> Looks interesting.
[3:40] <PKodon> I just need a good case for the Pi that can attach to the VESA mounting holes on the back of a monitor.
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[3:43] <malcom2073> Doesn't adafruit sell one?
[3:44] <malcom2073> yep, for $10
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[3:49] <PKodon> malcom2073: adafruit"?
[3:49] <malcom2073> yeah, google it.
[3:49] <malcom2073> They sell a lot of pi accessories
[3:49] <PKodon> In USA, or Europe?
[3:50] <malcom2073> I know they ship to me and I'm in the USA. Beyond that you'd have to check
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[3:58] <sgerbino> anyone here play with serial between pi and arduino and consistently lose the first byte?
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[4:16] <ozzzy> sgerbino: my pi and arduino speak well together
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[4:22] <sgerbino> ozzzy: which arduino you have? im using an uno
[4:22] <ozzzy> Diecimila
[4:23] <\\Mr_C\\> sainsmart auno r3
[4:23] <\\Mr_C\\> sainsmart uno r3
[4:23] <\\Mr_C\\> never opened the box though
[4:23] <\\Mr_C\\> i dont know what to do with
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[4:24] <sgerbino> i read somewhere on Stack Overflow that the arduino sometimes resets when you open a serial connection to it
[4:24] <sgerbino> not sure how true that is
[4:24] <sgerbino> but it may explain my missing byte.. :D
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[4:25] <sgerbino> http://playground.arduino.cc/Main/DisablingAutoResetOnSerialConnection
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[5:18] <burbankboy> Hey
[5:18] <burbankboy> http://raspberry-pi-buy.com/
[5:18] <burbankboy> Anyone know if this is a safe site?
[5:20] <ShiftPlusOne> I wouldn't use it
[5:20] <burbankboy> how so?
[5:20] <IanCormac> Because it looks sketchy as hell
[5:20] <ShiftPlusOne> (just based ont he first impressions)
[5:20] <burbankboy> Well I was wondering if it's well-known
[5:20] <IanCormac> ^^
[5:20] <burbankboy> but I guess not then
[5:20] <Twist-> burbankboy: when adafruit is beating someone on pricing, you know there's a problem.
[5:21] <Twist-> burbankboy: http://www.adafruit.com/index.php?main_page=adasearch&q=raspberry+pi
[5:21] <burbankboy> What do you mean?
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[5:21] <burbankboy> ?
[5:21] <burbankboy> I don't get it.
[5:21] <ShiftPlusOne> modmypi is another well-known, reputable reseller
[5:21] <burbankboy> ShiftPlusOne: Well, I'm looking for a specific product
[5:21] <burbankboy> The 4.3" TFT monitor
[5:21] <ShiftPlusOne> ... a raspberry pi?
[5:21] <ShiftPlusOne> ah =p
[5:21] <burbankboy> it was available on there
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[5:24] <Twist-> huh. those are surprisingly inexpensive.http://compare.ebay.com/like/221098229138
[5:24] <burbankboy> Yes but no damn site is willing to ship to scandinavia
[5:24] <Twist-> not even the chinese ebay resellers?
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[5:25] <Twist-> Oh, adafruit has the Pi model A now too.
[5:25] * Twist- ponders
[5:28] <burbankboy> Twist-: where are those?
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[5:28] <burbankboy> ive tried to go through with a purchase on every legit site i can find
[5:28] <burbankboy> but they keep blocking me
[5:30] <IanCormac> burbankboy: Try bitcoinin
[5:31] <IanCormac> I think they ship internationally
[5:31] <burbankboy> IanCormac: it doesnt have the product
[5:31] <burbankboy> but thanks anyway
[5:32] <IanCormac> ohhh
[5:32] <IanCormac> sorry
[5:32] <IanCormac> thought you wanted a Pi
[5:32] <IanCormac> forgot you wanted a TFT
[5:32] <burbankboy> nah :)
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[5:52] <Grievre> how do I re-format an SD card to just be a normal SD card again, once I've been using it for a raspi?
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[5:53] <IanCormac> sudo dd bs=1m if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdcarddeviceID
[5:54] <IanCormac> or use gparted or some other disk utility
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[6:07] <denom> Hey all, Just got my raspberry pi I'm wondering if there is a way to debug the serial connection
[6:07] <IanCormac> Yes, what is wrong with it
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[6:08] <denom> well, I do not have any means to connect (no hdmi, etc) other than the serial. I have a console cable
[6:09] <IanCormac> Oh. Well, make sure it's a 3.3v serial cable
[6:09] <denom> Is the console supposed to output anything when the unit is powered on (without an sd card)?
[6:09] <IanCormac> not the one out of your PC or whatever
[6:09] <IanCormac> yes
[6:09] <IanCormac> the console is tty0
[6:09] <IanCormac> IIRC
[6:09] <IanCormac> *the serial console
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[6:09] <denom> hmm, I have this cable here: http://www.adafruit.com/products/954
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[6:10] <IanCormac> That is fine
[6:10] <IanCormac> Just don't connect the power pin
[6:10] <IanCormac> Remember to reverse RX and TX
[6:10] <denom> reverse?
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[6:10] <denom> hmm
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[6:10] <IanCormac> Yeah. RX goes to TX and TX goes to RX
[6:11] <IanCormac> and connect ground, of course
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[6:13] <denom> hmm, well I'm using this tutorial here: http://learn.adafruit.com/adafruits-raspberry-pi-lesson-5-using-a-console-cable/connect-the-lead
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[6:14] <denom> (leaving the red power unconnected)
[6:14] <\\Mr_C\\> i have the same cable
[6:14] <\\Mr_C\\> works good
[6:14] <denom> I do not have the sd card plugged in at this point
[6:14] <\\Mr_C\\> you will still get text
[6:15] <denom> hmm, I'm using `screen /dev/ttyUSB0 115200` to connect, is that what you use \\Mr_C\\ ?
[6:16] <\\Mr_C\\> well im using windows for the terminals, but ive done it in linux with something similar
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[6:16] <\\Mr_C\\> cu -s 115200 -l /dev/ttyUSB0
[6:18] <denom> hmm, cu is giving me a `Permission denied, Line in use` error when I run it as root
[6:19] <\\Mr_C\\> maybe reboot
[6:19] <\\Mr_C\\> because the screen has it open
[6:19] <\\Mr_C\\> <denom> hmm, I'm using `screen /dev/ttyUSB0 115200` to
[6:19] <denom> I'll try rebooting,
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[6:20] <denom> but wait, shouldn't I get some blinky lights on the pi?
[6:20] <denom> anyways, brb
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[6:23] <denom> hmm, no bueno
[6:24] <denom> just kidding! woot!
[6:24] <cmasta> Ive reformated and wrote 0's to my sd card like 20 times and now it gives me mmcblk0p2 corrupt errors upon boot every time no matter what.
[6:24] <denom> It just booted up :D
[6:25] <\\Mr_C\\> cmasta, what you trying to do?
[6:25] <cmasta> I guess its pooped out on me and I need to just get a UHS-1 class instead of this class 4 bullcrap.
[6:26] <cmasta> I was trying to just simply install the raspian wheezy which ive done like 10 times before.
[6:26] <\\Mr_C\\> oh
[6:27] <cmasta> I've been trying to find out someone who knows about the kernel module compiling.
[6:28] <Tenchworks> I have a sorta networking related question, can I have 2 machines with the same hostname on my network? I want to migrate Pi server to a different machine so I can use the pi for a different apllication.
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[6:30] <Dagger2> I suggest you avoid it, for your own sake, but the network will function
[6:31] <Dagger2> things like samba's name resolution are likely to get confused though
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[6:32] <Tenchworks> hehe, but that would be more motivation to get the new box set and going
[6:32] <Tenchworks> thanks
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[9:03] <gordonDrogon> morning Pies
[9:04] <nerdboy> meat pies?
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[9:04] <gordonDrogon> Today might be fish pies judging by the amount of fish I got given last night...
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[9:11] <gordonDrogon> and the weather forecast is good, so it'll go on the BBQ for lunch today, tomorrow and probably the next day too.
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[9:47] <yehnan> gordonDrogon: hi, WiringPi has no debian software package(.deb), am I right?
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[10:06] <Cadmus> Hello, I have a question about the GPIO pins, I've read http://elinux.org/RPi_Low-level_peripherals but want to make sure I've unserstood it before I start my build
[10:07] <Cadmus> Am I correct in understanding that I can draw as much current as I like from the 5v pin up to the limit of my PSU?
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[10:07] <Cadmus> (less whatever the rest of the Pi is using)
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[10:15] <burbankboy> My Pi's sitting next to me. Staring at me. Gazing. Into my soul.
[10:15] <burbankboy> Preventing me from doing any measure of work.
[10:15] <burbankboy> I've got a deadline, but I just can't.
[10:15] <burbankboy> The Pi is too strong.
[10:16] <burbankboy> All I want to do is head out and buy a HDMI -> VGA adapter so I can hook it up to a monitor
[10:16] <burbankboy> please..... help.......
[10:16] <Cadmus> burbankboy: I'm new to the channel but I fear you may just find enablers here
[10:16] <Cadmus> I'm ordering mine now
[10:16] <burbankboy> help....
[10:16] <burbankboy> no...
[10:16] <burbankboy> dont do it
[10:17] <burbankboy> all it takes is one try.......
[10:18] <RaTTuS|BIG> burbankboy buy a converter not an adapter - and make sure it is powered
[10:19] <burbankboy> RaTTuS|BIG: whats the diff?
[10:19] <burbankboy> between a converter and an adapter
[10:19] <burbankboy> and..... powered? :o
[10:19] <RaTTuS|BIG> give me 2 mins and I'll ost a link
[10:19] <burbankboy> Well, I understand that it converts the signal instead of just repeating it
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[10:20] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/320929883993?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649 <- you need somehting like that and not a straight cable converter
[10:20] <burbankboy> but im wondering what it means in more detail/in practice
[10:20] <burbankboy> oh
[10:20] <burbankboy> damn
[10:20] <burbankboy> why is that?
[10:20] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Adapter-Laptop-Power-Free-Raspberry-support/dp/B0088K7QUQ < may work - some have problems
[10:21] <burbankboy> http://www.hiconn.net/details.asp?id=283
[10:21] <burbankboy> what about something like this thoguh?
[10:21] <RaTTuS|BIG> will not work
[10:21] <burbankboy> why not?
[10:21] <burbankboy> i dont get it
[10:21] <RaTTuS|BIG> the RPI only outputs digital
[10:22] <burbankboy> So it outputs digital signal through svideo?
[10:22] <RaTTuS|BIG> the vga standard is analoug
[10:22] <burbankboy> hm
[10:22] <burbankboy> right
[10:22] <burbankboy> let me rephrase
[10:22] <RaTTuS|BIG> no svideo converter is prodived on board - that is differnt
[10:22] <gordonDrogon> yehnan, that's right - no .deb yet.
[10:22] <burbankboy> yes i know, i typoed
[10:22] <burbankboy> but
[10:22] <burbankboy> hdmi output is always digital
[10:22] <burbankboy> so
[10:22] <burbankboy> how can an adapter even exist?
[10:22] <RaTTuS|BIG> vga is not digital
[10:22] <burbankboy> yes but then what did i just post?
[10:22] <burbankboy> :/
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[10:23] <gordonDrogon> Cadmus, not quite right - there is a 700mA polyfuse on the input, so the limit on the +5v is between 2-300mA depending on what else its powering.
[10:23] <RaTTuS|BIG> burbankboy see http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=30362 for starters - I need to go for a meeting back later
[10:24] <burbankboy> okay
[10:24] <burbankboy> cheers mate :)
[10:24] <Cadmus> gordonDrogon: Ahhh, so if I had like 1A left on my PSU and needed all of it then I would need to tap the 5V from before the Pi?
[10:25] <gordonDrogon> Cadmus, yes.
[10:25] <Cadmus> gordonDrogon: Or find a less thirsty peripheral >_>
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[10:25] <burbankboy> OK I understand the power problem when it comes to converting HDMI to VGA, but I still don't understand why HDMI to VGA adapters even exist
[10:26] <burbankboy> if they cannot be used
[10:26] <rymate1234> const int LEL = std::numeric_limits<int>::max();
[10:26] <Cadmus> gordonDrogon: I might be ok, the device I'm looking at is rated for a maximum consumption of 260, but the Pi will have no peripherals and be headless
[10:27] <yehnan> gordonDrogon: thanks.
[10:27] <gordonDrogon> ok
[10:27] <gordonDrogon> Cadmus, you coukd power the Pi via the GPIo port...
[10:27] <Cadmus> gordonDrogon: I have enough to get craking at least, thanks for your help and I'll look into that
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[10:28] <gordonDrogon> or if you can tap the PSU before the Pi to power the peripherals.
[10:28] <gordonDrogon> yehnan, it's on my to-do list to generate a .deb - just not gotten enough tuits yet...
[10:29] <burbankboy> Ah nevermind
[10:29] <burbankboy> Got my answer in #hardware
[10:29] <gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: I don't think me and gbaman are ever around at the same time!
[10:30] <burbankboy> Also gordonDrogon sorry if I got upset yesterday. It was childish of me, and especially since you've been so kind as to help me out.
[10:30] <burbankboy> I won't take back what I said in regards to production quality, but my reaction was def. stupid.
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[10:30] <burbankboy> I've been awake for 24+ hours, if that's an excuse. :P
[10:31] <gordonDrogon> hope you've had some sleep now!
[10:31] <gordonDrogon> it's always good to relax a bit - well every now & then :)
[10:31] <burbankboy> I haven't. Back at work. ;)
[10:31] <burbankboy> But later today.. zzz
[10:31] <gordonDrogon> gadgetoid, ah well - who knows! btw I've released wiringPi v2 on my git.drogon.net thingy now ...
[10:32] <gordonDrogon> (and promptly fixed a couple of typos, goofs!)
[10:32] <gordonDrogon> anyone here using the quick 2 wire boards?
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[10:33] <yehnan> gordonDrogon: what function should I use to debounce? wiringPiISR ?
[10:33] <burbankboy> RaTTuS|BIG: I got my answer elsewhere, but thanks for helping me thus far. Enjoy your meeting. :)
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[10:36] <gordonDrogon> yehnan, the ISR will re-trigger, so it's not the best way to do it - unless you write your own implementation - essentially in your code if you poll a switch, you want to wait for the switch to release, then wait another (e.g.) 20mS before polling it again.
[10:36] <gordonDrogon> 20mS is usually more than long enough for most little switches.
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[10:37] <gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: I'll have a look over it tonight and see if I can get an update pushed out to wiringPi2-Python
[10:38] <gordonDrogon> gadgetoid, great :)
[10:38] <burbankboy> Does anyone know if there are any pi cases that double as power plugs that plug right into the socket?
[10:38] <gadgetoid> And brush up on debian packaging, if I find the time
[10:38] <gadgetoid> burbankboy: that's not a bad idea… I'd put Homeplug in them too, to be 100% more awesome, and annoy local hams
[10:39] <burbankboy> gadgetoid: What's homeplug?
[10:39] <d481a3> burbankboy: get it on kickstarter!
[10:39] <gordonDrogon> yea - looks like making a .deb is on my cards too...
[10:39] <burbankboy> Hehe.
[10:39] <burbankboy> Well, I could try making such a case if you want me to.
[10:39] <gadgetoid> burbankboy: It's a protocol/hardware for ethernet over home power lines
[10:39] <burbankboy> Aha.
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[10:40] <burbankboy> Yeah gadgetoid I've heard about that before but haven't been able to wrap my head around how it works
[10:40] <gordonDrogon> I guess you're thinking sheeva plug type things...
[10:40] <burbankboy> yeah gordonDrogon exactly
[10:40] <gadgetoid> burbankboy: I've no clue how it works, but it's mighty useful when Wifi won't behave itself
[10:40] <gadgetoid> burbankboy: I think it just modulates the mains electricity throughout the whole house somehow, basically by polluting it with noise
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[10:41] <gadgetoid> Which means it functions exactly how you don't want any mains-connected device to function, ha
[10:41] <burbankboy> gadgetoid: I'm not well-versed enoguh with electricity to understand that beyond the abstract concept but
[10:41] <burbankboy> sounds cool
[10:41] <burbankboy> enough*
[10:41] <gordonDrogon> they superimpose a high frequency carrier on the wires, then modulate that to carry the data.
[10:42] <burbankboy> Anyway, I figured that a lot of rPi projects must be passively sitting around
[10:42] <burbankboy> and would prob. look nicer in a power plug then
[10:42] <gadgetoid> burbankboy: that's very true of the Pi that hosts my website
[10:42] <gadgetoid> It doesn't have a case on at all!
[10:42] <burbankboy> hah, awesome
[10:42] <burbankboy> :p
[10:42] <burbankboy> What I want to do is two thigns as of now
[10:42] <gordonDrogon> it's an interesting challenge due to spurs, rings and so on - hard to get right and properly reliable as all houses are different!
[10:43] <burbankboy> 1) portable computer with projector and retractible wired silicone keyboard that you plug into any outlet for instant use
[10:43] <gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: It seems to work like magic, anyway
[10:43] <burbankboy> 2) streaming 3g security cam on the go
[10:43] <burbankboy> the latter is the most interesting to me atm
[10:43] <burbankboy> but the former is what im working on :p
[10:44] <gadgetoid> burbankboy: power plug computers are often sold with a ton of network intrusion tools on, with the idea that you sneakily plug them into an office
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[10:44] <d481a3> when you say streaming you mean video or a series of stills? its very easy to pick up a wireless camera that will transmit images via FTP
[10:44] <burbankboy> gadgetoid: ah i see
[10:44] <burbankboy> yeah i think i saw something like that on a hacking site some time ago
[10:44] <burbankboy> d481a3: whatever's possible
[10:44] <burbankboy> i suppose video
[10:44] <burbankboy> streamed over 3g to a target serv
[10:45] <d481a3> anything is possible, its having the patience and the skills to do it (which I don't have!)
[10:45] <burbankboy> Yeah I probably don't either.
[10:46] <burbankboy> I conceptualize boatloads of ideas every day, then I scratch the surface of all of them and end up sticking with whatever ends up being possible
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[10:46] <burbankboy> while the left are poked into my mental "for later" bag ;)
[10:46] <burbankboy> while the rest*
[10:46] <burbankboy> but i suppose everybody does that
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[10:47] <d481a3> whereas I have no idea what to work on! the idea of security camera crossed my mind briefly and I had a webcam hooked up and able to save stills but never got far enough to write a little python to automate it
[10:48] <burbankboy> Well, I'm more of a product designer than techie really. Something I'm not too fond of that entrepreneurs tend to do is the creation of prototypes that are left hanging
[10:48] <burbankboy> I want to see something that autoboots/manages itself
[10:48] <burbankboy> and allows for ease of use :p
[10:48] <burbankboy> I see all these insanely awesome ideas and im like
[10:49] <burbankboy> "but... its not done :'( "
[10:49] <burbankboy> err
[10:49] <burbankboy> entrepreneurs wtf. i meant to say engineers
[10:49] <burbankboy> im too tired, haha
[10:49] <d481a3> im sure there is something on apt-get that basically does it all for you, i'll have to dig it out, its then just a case of connecting a wireless camera
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[10:49] <Davespice> morning
[10:49] <burbankboy> Do it. :D
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[10:51] <d481a3> OpenCv should do the trick, have a look at Steven Hickson's blog
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[10:52] <d481a3> or even apt-get install motion
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[10:52] <burbankboy> Oh another thing I want to do is
[10:52] <burbankboy> a waveform synth
[10:52] <burbankboy> I ordered a Makey Makey kit
[10:52] <gordonDrogon> :)
[10:52] <burbankboy> so im hoping to be able to use that to make a synth instrument
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[10:53] <gordonDrogon> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ij_HR_kr_eg
[10:53] <burbankboy> I just hope it's pressure or touch sensitive, and that the signal switch isnt just binary
[10:53] <burbankboy> or maybe thats not too bad
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[10:54] <burbankboy> but you need to be able to change the pitch somehow
[10:54] <gordonDrogon> makey makey is simple switches - on/off.
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[10:54] <burbankboy> yeah i was fearing htat
[10:54] <burbankboy> that*
[10:55] <burbankboy> gotta find a solution for pitch alteration then
[10:55] <gordonDrogon> see that video :)
[10:55] <burbankboy> gd cant get your vid to run :x
[10:55] <burbankboy> seems to be the vid itself
[10:55] <gordonDrogon> Hm. it's standard youtube stuff...
[10:55] <burbankboy> tried in both browsers
[10:55] <burbankboy> aye :(
[10:56] <gordonDrogon> it's a demo of a concept I was experimenting with on the Pi - touch sensitive buttons.
[10:57] <gordonDrogon> it was shot off my phone - maybe that's it... odd if you can't view it though.
[10:57] <burbankboy> Btw I've never done any soldering or electronics before. I don't really wanna start before I get better at the basics first (like Py scripting etc), but on the other hand, if there's a good opportunity to learn, I'll take it.
[10:57] <burbankboy> With that in mind, would it be easy/a good idea to hook up 3,5mm speakers somehow?
[10:57] <burbankboy> by ripping them out of some sorta cruddy device
[10:57] <burbankboy> would this be easy to do?
[10:57] <burbankboy> gordonDrogon: that sounds awesome
[10:57] <burbankboy> what did you use to make it?
[10:57] <gordonDrogon> any cheap amplified speakers work on the Pi ...
[10:58] <gordonDrogon> if you can view that video, I'm driving an 80Ω speaker directly off the GPIO ...
[10:58] <gordonDrogon> there's nothing more than resistors & wires in that circuit - and some clever software.
[11:00] <gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: I'm going to do some touch sensitive buttons with Bare conductive paint at some point
[11:00] <gadgetoid> Although I haven't been rushing into it, as it's messy and I have no man cave
[11:02] <gordonDrogon> :)
[11:02] <gordonDrogon> I've seen that paint - maybe one day I'll buy some...
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[11:03] <gordonDrogon> makey makey is pure resistive sensing - you need to hold the ground pin on one hand and touch the "buttons" in the other.
[11:03] <gordonDrogon> in that video I'm using capacitive sensing.
[11:04] <gordonDrogon> (ish)
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[11:04] <burbankboy> gordonDrogon: well im sorta wondering if the process itself is suitable for a beginner
[11:04] <burbankboy> cutting those wires etc
[11:04] <burbankboy> i mean, is that as simple as itll get?
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[11:05] <gordonDrogon> I'd use real buttons initially.
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[11:05] <gordonDrogon> the code is a bit fragile for what I did in that video.
[11:05] <burbankboy> no i mean the speakers :p
[11:05] <burbankboy> also can you uplaod the vid again? id really like to see it:)))
[11:05] <d481a3> if you want to learn more about this stuff there is tonnes of cheap little projects on youtube to get you going before you dive into something advanced
[11:05] <gordonDrogon> can anyone here see that video? It seems to work fine for me.
[11:06] <d481a3> missing plugin, my bad
[11:06] <burbankboy> No, my question is not how to do it
[11:06] <burbankboy> it's
[11:06] <Hoerie> doesn't work for me
[11:06] <burbankboy> is this as simple as electronics will get
[11:06] <burbankboy> in terms of modding the pi?
[11:06] <burbankboy> :)
[11:06] <gordonDrogon> LEDs, resistors and switches is about the entry level.
[11:06] <burbankboy> Alright.
[11:07] <burbankboy> But speakers arent too far off from that, im guessing?
[11:07] <gordonDrogon> making amplified speakers? That's not a beginners project...
[11:07] <gordonDrogon> but plugging speakers in and making noises - that's purely a software project.
[11:08] <Hoerie> youtube shows previews in the timeline, but no video or audio for me
[11:08] <gordonDrogon> I wonder why youtube doesn't like my phone videos - it's always telling me to upload direct and not process too.
[11:09] <burbankboy> gordonDrogon: I don't necessarily want to amp them, just get speakers plugged into the 3,5mm outlet
[11:09] <Hoerie> I dunno, obscure codec maybe?
[11:09] <burbankboy> but
[11:09] <burbankboy> i guess that implies cutting off the wire?
[11:09] <burbankboy> and effectively turning it into a plug?
[11:11] <gordonDrogon> let me upload it again in a different forma.t
[11:12] <gordonDrogon> burbankboy, you'll need to aplify them - the output from the 3.5mm socket is too weak otherwise.
[11:13] <burbankboy> gordonDrogon: yeah but i mean, the amp can be done afterwards, right?
[11:13] <gordonDrogon> http://youtu.be/j0lyxdvDuVY <-- wil lbe ready in about 4 minutes.
[11:13] <burbankboy> i like to isolate stuff
[11:13] <burbankboy> and get it working first and foremost
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[11:14] <d481a3> you could get it working with earphones and build up to a speaker/amp setup later on
[11:15] <burbankboy> well, earphones already work by default right
[11:15] <burbankboy> i just want somethign compact and powered by the pi :)
[11:15] <burbankboy> something*
[11:16] <burbankboy> holy cow gordonDrogon
[11:16] <burbankboy> that friggin rules
[11:17] <d481a3> http://www.smokeyamps.com/products
[11:18] <d481a3> you could make something like these, clearly can be done
[11:18] <gordonDrogon> Ah, it's there now.
[11:18] <burbankboy> does it aye
[11:18] <burbankboy> gordonDrogon: yeah, awesome vid
[11:18] <burbankboy> howd you do it? does it change pitch based on which one of those tiny holes youre pressing against?
[11:18] <gordonDrogon> the wires act as switches.
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[11:19] <gordonDrogon> so its just 8 switches - when one is pushed it plays a tone for 1/10 second (which it why it doesn't sound continuous)
[11:19] <Hoerie> the video for that smokey amp doesn't really sound like much more than playing without an amp
[11:20] <burbankboy> nice
[11:21] <burbankboy> oh man, a mod player
[11:21] <gordonDrogon> the clever part in that is sensing the switches - that's the code that still somewhat experimental.
[11:21] <burbankboy> with some sorta lcd display
[11:21] <burbankboy> yeah gordonDrogon i cant really tell whats going on at this point but
[11:21] <burbankboy> thats so cool
[11:22] <Hoerie> you could make a theremin :-)
[11:22] <gordonDrogon> just think 8 switches. when pushed, I sound a tone for 1/10 a second on the speaker.
[11:22] <gordonDrogon> Hoerie, it has crossed my mind :)
[11:22] <gordonDrogon> however you need slightly better radios and sensors to make a theremin...
[11:23] <Hoerie> you could probably already do a lot with a touch screen
[11:24] <burbankboy> Hoerie: yeah thats sorta what im thinking
[11:24] <burbankboy> except maybe in touchpad format
[11:24] <burbankboy> or something
[11:24] <gordonDrogon> I have an LCD + touchpad that I've hooked up to the Pi.
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[11:24] <burbankboy> gordonDrogon: i wonder how many button combos you need in order to be able to dolike
[11:24] <burbankboy> do like*
[11:24] <burbankboy> 3 diff. octaves
[11:24] <burbankboy> full range
[11:24] <burbankboy> if represented with buttons
[11:25] <Hoerie> probably easier to take a midi keyboard and hook that up
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[11:25] <burbankboy> heh
[11:25] <gordonDrogon> well, 13 notes per octave...
[11:25] <Hoerie> 12 notes
[11:25] <burbankboy> gordonDrogon: yeah but i mean reducing the amount of keys
[11:25] <burbankboy> by producing different notes through button combos
[11:26] <burbankboy> id love to have a simple waveform synth
[11:26] <burbankboy> with like
[11:26] <burbankboy> drum beat on/off
[11:26] <burbankboy> square/sine/triangle wave switch
[11:26] <Hoerie> 4 buttons for an octave and two buttons for 4 octave
[11:26] <burbankboy> and then however many buttons you need to be able to combo 3 full octaves
[11:27] <gordonDrogon> I think someone have made a synth for the Pi already, so it's quite possible...
[11:27] <burbankboy> sweet
[11:27] <Hoerie> you might be able to do a moog or something
[11:27] <gordonDrogon> Best start by looking up how Linux Audio works - I'm not expert here, but making it play WAV files is fairly straightforwards - it's generating the WAVs that's the tricky part :)
[11:28] <Hoerie> it'd be interesting to try and do guitar effects on a pi
[11:28] <Hoerie> but probably hard to make something usable
[11:28] <gordonDrogon> you'll need a good USB audio input device.
[11:28] <gordonDrogon> no native audio input on the Pi.
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[11:28] <Hoerie> I meant more like a stomp box
[11:29] <gordonDrogon> I have to put sound output in my BASIC interpreter soon - not quite sure how i'm going to do it yet...
[11:29] <Hoerie> i.e. signal processing
[11:29] <gordonDrogon> I'm sure anything is possible - depending on the latency - unless you can process faster than you can sample...
[11:30] <Hoerie> I guess that is where the pi is too slow
[11:30] <gordonDrogon> http://www.bgfl.org/custom/resources_ftp/client_ftp/ks2/music/piano/
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[11:31] <gordonDrogon> it's fast enough - I'd be more concerend about the latency introduced by the USB, but i've no practical experience there.
[11:32] <Hoerie> ah yeah, the 3.5mm is output only
[11:32] <Hoerie> what about hooking a guitar to GPIO and processing the single and then sending to 3.5mm?
[11:32] <Hoerie> *signal
[11:33] <gordonDrogon> Hoerie, you need the a/d converter ...
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[11:33] <gordonDrogon> SPI and I2C ones are curently too slow.
[11:33] <Hoerie> ah, ok
[11:33] <gordonDrogon> if there was a parallel reading one - e.g. 10 bits then it's possible.
[11:35] <bigx> hi guys
[11:36] <bigx> i'm looking to convert 0v/5v to 0v/3v for uart
[11:36] <Triffid_Hunter> Hoerie: probably the simplest A/D converter is the so-called "usb microphone"
[11:36] <bigx> when I check the sparkfun breakout board circuit
[11:36] <bigx> http://www.sparkfun.com/datasheets/BreakoutBoards/Level-Converter-v10.pdf
[11:36] <gordonDrogon> bigx, 2 resistors.
[11:37] <Triffid_Hunter> bigx: 1k8/3k3 resistor divider should work nicely- http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/db/Resistive_divider.png
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[11:37] <bigx> to lower the voltage they use a dumb tension divider, but is it really safe??
[11:37] <gordonDrogon> it's safe enough and works at UART speeds.
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[11:38] <bigx> here is the solution I've done : https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17657227/Info/blog/minitel.png
[11:38] <bigx> it's too complicated
[11:39] <bigx> (it's related to this project http://xseignard.github.io/2013/05/20/plug-your-minitel-on-your-raspberry-pi/ )
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[11:40] <bigx> so actually, to communicate between 0v/5v and 0v/3.3v in both directions you just need 2 resistors
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[11:40] <gordonDrogon> the minitel needs open collector outptus though, doesn't it?
[11:40] <bigx> since 3.3v would be interpreted as high level (3.3>2.4)
[11:40] <bigx> yes
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[11:40] <gordonDrogon> so 3.3/ttl serial is slightly different.
[11:41] <gordonDrogon> so a resistor divider on the input side to take 5v to 3.3 and direct connection on the output side 3.3 will trigger 5v ttl...
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[11:46] <bigx> ahem... i'm kind of noob when it comes to electronics, but i'm willing to understand that stuff. can you explain more gordonDrogon ?
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[11:49] <gordonDrogon> the link Triffid_Hunter posted is a good schematic example
[11:49] <gordonDrogon> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/db/Resistive_divider.png
[11:49] <gordonDrogon> the output voltage is the ratio of the resistors to the input voltage.
[11:50] <gordonDrogon> So to get 3.3v out from 5v in, you need to pick suitable resistors. Triffid_Hunter suggests 1.8K/3.3K - personally I use 2.2/3.3 as I don't have 1.8K resistors ;)
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[11:56] <bigx> ok, so is the following safe? http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/661109RpiMinitelConnection.png
[11:57] <bigx> (with your resistor values)
[11:57] <gordonDrogon> I don't know - I was under the impression from your earlier postings that the minitel interface needed an open collector driver.
[11:58] <gordonDrogon> if you have the minitel specification then I might be able to tell you.
[11:58] <gordonDrogon> but if the previous circuit worked, and I presume it was designed by someone who knows how it works, then why not stick to it ...
[12:00] <bigx> in the spec they say :
[12:00] <bigx> voltage levels are TTL compatible, open collector
[12:00] <mgottschlag> bigx: try to search the web to understand open collector busses first
[12:00] <Triffid_Hunter> open collector means you need to pull up to vcc
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[12:03] <gordonDrogon> what they said ...
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[12:06] <bigx> i'm checking the interwebs about open collector, and I really don't get it :( sorry to bother you guys
[12:07] <bigx> here is the spec of the Rx and TX of the minitel
[12:07] <bigx> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17657227/Info/minitelSpec.png
[12:08] <Grievre> bigx: A "normal" logic input "looks" like either a connection to ground or a connection to Vcc, depending on whether it's a one or a zero. An open collector output looks like either a connection to ground or an open circuit
[12:08] <Grievre> bigx: So you need to add a pull-up resistor, so that it reads as a one when it's open
[12:08] <bigx> ah! Thx Grieve! that's the kind of stuff I understand!
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[12:11] <bigx> *Grievre
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[13:05] <burbankboy> I'm trying to use pi with a keyboard only interface
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[13:05] <burbankboy> is this possible?
[13:05] <burbankboy> im using the main distro/de
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[13:06] <Triffid_Hunter> burbankboy: works for me
[13:06] <burbankboy> Triffid_Hunter: Well I mean
[13:06] <burbankboy> is it, by definition, 100% compatible with keyboard-only use?
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[13:08] <Triffid_Hunter> burbankboy: I'm really not sure what you're asking.. keyboard works fine, just plug it in and press keys
[13:08] <burbankboy> I'm talking about official specs
[13:09] <burbankboy> I'm sure they didn't develop this distro by shooting from the hips
[13:09] <burbankboy> surely they decided whether or not it'd work with keyboard only
[13:09] <burbankboy> :)
[13:12] <gordonDrogon> do you mean keyboard and screen, no mouse?
[13:12] <burbankboy> yep :)
[13:12] <gordonDrogon> if so, then it's easy - just don't start X and stay in text mode :)
[13:12] <Bushmills> fbterm is a nice alternative. faster output than the normal console. easy to adjust font size
[13:14] <burbankboy> nah, i wanna use desktop
[13:14] <Bushmills> there's also x2x, in case you have another linux/unix machine, to share keyboard and mouse between both
[13:14] <burbankboy> i mean, ill be wanting to browse and stuff :)
[13:15] <burbankboy> Bushmills: i dont
[13:15] <burbankboy> hmm
[13:15] <burbankboy> is there an app for toggling mouse cursor
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[13:15] <burbankboy> with keyboard?
[13:15] <burbankboy> and navigating it with keyb?
[13:15] <Bushmills> depends on window manager,
[13:15] <burbankboy> im using the main one
[13:15] <Bushmills> xfce is rather keyboard usable
[13:16] <burbankboy> aight
[13:16] <Bushmills> (though thats formally a "desktop environment", not a window manager)
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[13:17] <burbankboy> :d
[13:17] <burbankboy> Hmm
[13:17] <burbankboy> i think ill pull out one of our old monitors
[13:17] <burbankboy> and run some kinda dashboard on it
[13:17] <Bushmills> for "browsing" - i suppose you mean web browsing?
[13:17] <burbankboy> so i can share the pi love with my office <3
[13:17] <burbankboy> :)
[13:17] <burbankboy> Bushmills: ya
[13:17] <Bushmills> you can do that, also graphically, on fbterm
[13:17] <gordonDrogon> what a bout a keyboard with built-in mousepad?
[13:17] <Bushmills> no X needed
[13:17] <burbankboy> gordonDrogon: was gonna get one, but then i decided on a silicone keyb instead
[13:17] <burbankboy> anyone know how to get desktop focus?
[13:18] <burbankboy> with keyb?
[13:18] <burbankboy> as well as start menu
[13:18] <Bushmills> links2 -g
[13:18] <burbankboy> ah ctrl+esc
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[13:19] <burbankboy> the pi should have a pc speaker peripheral :D
[13:19] <burbankboy> i remember the days of making blip music on qbasic <3
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[13:20] <bigx> burbankboy: try Shift+NumLock
[13:20] <burbankboy> strange, the system doesnt seem to recognize any networks
[13:20] <burbankboy> bigx: that did nothing
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[13:21] <burbankboy> but its ok
[13:21] <burbankboy> the start menu was the most important aspect
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[13:21] <bigx> that will activate arrows of the numpad as mouse directions
[13:21] <bigx> it didn't?
[13:22] <bigx> it works with gnome and seems to be ok with xfce too : http://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=5955
[13:22] <burbankboy> shift+numliock? no :o
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[13:22] <burbankboy> its fine though
[13:23] <burbankboy> what id really like to know is why my wifi dongle isnt searching for any networks
[13:23] <burbankboy> despite the system recognizing a "wlan0"
[13:23] <burbankboy> adapter
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[13:23] <Bushmills> it doesn't search on its own.
[13:24] <Bushmills> iwlist scan searches
[13:25] <burbankboy> hmm
[13:25] <burbankboy> cant scroll up in terminal :/
[13:26] <burbankboy> pgup/dwn arent working
[13:26] <burbankboy> any idea of how to maximize?
[13:26] <Bushmills> eating a lot?
[13:26] <burbankboy> rofl
[13:26] <burbankboy> man, ive gained so much weight lately
[13:26] <burbankboy> so
[13:26] <burbankboy> DONE
[13:27] <burbankboy> well its finding networks at least
[13:27] <Triffid_Hunter> burbankboy: shift+pgup/pgdn should work
[13:28] <burbankboy> Triffid_Hunter: youre right, thanks :)
[13:28] <\\Mr_C\\> anyone use midnight commander? if so how do i make it stay in the current folder when i exit with F10?
[13:28] <Bushmills> you don't
[13:29] <Triffid_Hunter> \\Mr_C\\: can't. the mc process can't alter the cwd of another process
[13:29] <Bushmills> environment is dropped when you exit, including current work directory
[13:29] <burbankboy> whoa, setting up wifi seems complex as heck
[13:29] <\\Mr_C\\> it does in slackware
[13:29] <burbankboy> and even involves updating... via the net
[13:29] <burbankboy> lol
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[13:30] <Triffid_Hunter> burbankboy: hm I usually just fire up wpa_supplicant
[13:32] <Bushmills> wpa_supplicant is enough for me too. to others who find it too complicated i usually suggest wicd
[13:37] <burbankboy> hm
[13:37] <burbankboy> well
[13:37] <burbankboy> what is the "default way" of doing it?
[13:37] <burbankboy> I mean, the Pi recognizes my wifi card, it lists the available networks when i do a terminal scan
[13:37] <burbankboy> are you suggesting that the next step is a simple one?
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[13:38] <burbankboy> By the way, is there a channel that is more suitable than #raspberrypi for discussing the rasp distro?
[13:39] <burbankboy> when it comes to coding/modding the software?
[13:39] <pksato> burbankboy: raspbian? only need to put appropriate lines on /etc/network/interfaces to up wifi.
[13:39] <burbankboy> Yeah raspbian
[13:39] <burbankboy> pksato: well i dont know what those lines are. my knowledge of linux is on par with a home consumer
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[13:39] <linuxstb> There's a #raspbian, but I'm not sure that's very active
[13:39] <burbankboy> household*
[13:39] <burbankboy> Looks bustling to me. :)
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[13:40] <pksato> http://pastebin.com/aL9n93RL
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[13:42] <burbankboy> .............
[13:42] <burbankboy> iface net pksato.dyndns.org | sys.keyb(input) = $foo | iface net $foo >> pksato.dyndns.org | return main
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[13:42] <pksato> if use wpa[2]-psk
[13:42] <burbankboy> wow.... nice try pksato
[13:42] <burbankboy> nice try......
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[13:43] <burbankboy> What do you mean by if use wpa[2]-psk? :o
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[13:49] <ComraDerpyPi> how many mA are usb 2.0 flash drives approx.?
[13:50] <ComraDerpyPi> im wondering if i can unplug my mouse to swap files and then plug my mouse back in
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[13:52] <pksato> less that 150mA, but, depend of flash drive.
[13:52] <gordonDrogon> ComraDerpyPi, it should work - barring the usual issues plugging usb stuff - ie. make sure it's powered...
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[13:52] <ComraDerpyPi> ok. maybe i should get a powered hub. or splice a usb cable with a battery clip
[13:53] <pksato> call sync command befere unplug and plug usb devices.
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[14:01] <burbankboy> Triffid_Hunter and Bushmills: You were talking about wpa_supplicant before
[14:01] <burbankboy> im looking at network/interfaces and
[14:02] <burbankboy> theres a line going wpa-roam /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf
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[14:02] <burbankboy> does that mean i shouldnt employ pksato's suggestion?
[14:02] <burbankboy> i.e. http://pastebin.com/aL9n93RL
[14:02] <burbankboy> also s/he says i should do auto wlan0 but there's already an auto lo
[14:02] <burbankboy> is that a prob?
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[14:03] <ozzzy> my new Pi has made it to Canada... that's a good sign
[14:03] <burbankboy> hi5
[14:04] <burbankboy> BTW, if I understand things correctly, a GPIO are generic I/O pins that exist (or can exist?) on any and/or all chips?
[14:04] <pksato> burbankboy: is allowed to have multiple auto lines.
[14:04] <burbankboy> which allow you to communicate between them?
[14:04] <burbankboy> pksato: ok, thanks :)
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[14:05] <ozzzy> gpio pins are exactly what they say... 'general purpose i/o'
[14:05] <ozzzy> so you can use them to output a high or low... or to input a high or low
[14:06] <pksato> but, for usb wifi dongle, allow-hotplug is more apropriante (allow-hotplug wlan0)
[14:06] <ozzzy> just remember that, with the Pi, if you're inputting you have to watch your voltages
[14:06] <burbankboy> pksato: ok
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[14:06] <burbankboy> ozzzy: I'm new to this so I have no idea what any of that means
[14:06] <burbankboy> sorry pal
[14:06] <burbankboy> but ill save it for later reading
[14:07] <ozzzy> no sweat... but as you go along you might want to hook something up... before you do the world 'voltage' should come to mind now (post hypnotic suggestions) which will make you read
[14:07] <burbankboy> Sure. :)
[14:07] <burbankboy> So do the pins communicate information or data?
[14:07] <burbankboy> or just like
[14:07] <burbankboy> electric jolts or whatever
[14:07] <burbankboy> like binary switches or something
[14:08] <gordonDrogon> just like switched.
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[14:09] <burbankboy> okay, thats really cool
[14:09] <burbankboy> are they momentary or can they maintain a stable signal?
[14:09] <burbankboy> im guessing the latter?
[14:10] <ozzzy> burbankboy: they just go high (3.3v) or low (0v)
[14:10] <burbankboy> lol is there any way to get write permission after opening a file and trying to save it
[14:10] <burbankboy> while lacking said permission
[14:10] <burbankboy> without discarding what i just wrote :(
[14:10] <ozzzy> you can do lots of things with them.... transmit/receive data, pulse width modulation, signalling
[14:11] <burbankboy> ozzzy: okay, thanks
[14:11] <burbankboy> so they can maintain a signal then?
[14:11] <ozzzy> yep
[14:11] <burbankboy> rather than just "poking" or whatever? :)
[14:11] <burbankboy> cool
[14:11] <burbankboy> When people make these complex devices, is everything communicated witha GPIO?
[14:11] <burbankboy> like does a camera use GPIO to send data?
[14:12] <burbankboy> im guessing no :p
[14:12] <burbankboy> its too simple right
[14:13] <ozzzy> depends on what the application is... but some pins are dedicated to a task which means you can't use them for anything but that task...
[14:13] <gordonDrogon> GP - means just that,
[14:13] <gordonDrogon> however for some pins, they have multiple functions.
[14:13] <pksato> Yes, is possible to connect some kind of camera to GPIO/
[14:13] <gordonDrogon> e.g. some can be re-programmed to read from a camera - some can't.
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[14:13] <ozzzy> but the basics are that even a dedicated pin will be an input or output and will either read high/low or send high/low
[14:13] <gordonDrogon> so the current Pi camera connectes to some GPIO pins, but we don't normally have control over them.
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[14:14] <ozzzy> which means that those pins aren't GP
[14:14] <gordonDrogon> the pins that we do have control over are not suitable for connecting a camera too. well, not one that can stream high quality video.
[14:14] <burbankboy> Hmm
[14:14] <burbankboy> Okay
[14:14] <burbankboy> but you are saying then, that a single pin can transfer such complex information as full-blown images?
[14:14] <ozzzy> it could... albeit slowly
[14:14] <gordonDrogon> The Pi has 56 GPIO pins - some are used for the USB, some for the camera some for the display port, some for the SD card and so on.
[14:15] <burbankboy> ah ok
[14:15] <gordonDrogon> the SPI interface on the Pi can run at 32Mb/sec. assuming you have a device that can send data in at that speed.
[14:15] <burbankboy> have pins changed much over the years, or have they always been as effective?
[14:15] <gordonDrogon> the camera port works much faster than that.
[14:15] <burbankboy> have they gotten "better" like peripherals have?
[14:16] <gordonDrogon> different chips have different pins - the chips are generally designed for a purpose.
[14:16] <gordonDrogon> the Pi's chip is effectively a hybrid of a set-top-box chip and a mobile phone chip.
[14:17] <burbankboy> pksato: I tried your solution and it went "wlan0 declared allow-hotplug twice" and "ifdown: coudln't read interfaces file /etc/networ/interfaces
[14:17] <burbankboy> and a bunch of similar errors
[14:17] <burbankboy> like, two more repetitions o that
[14:17] <linuxstb> gordonDrogon: Why do you say that? It seems to me like a perfect set-top box chip.
[14:17] <burbankboy> oh wait, its already in there
[14:17] <ozzzy> the speed that 'pins' can act has changed as processors have gotten faster... but an IO pin is just an IO pin... hi/lo
[14:17] <gordonDrogon> linuxstb, it's pretty good - and there are commercial products that use it as that too.
[14:17] <burbankboy> pksato: OK so it seems taht my system has already set allow-hotplug wlan0 and iface wlan inet manual
[14:17] <burbankboy> should i remove the manual line and replace it with your dhcp?
[14:18] <gordonDrogon> ozzzy, a lot depends on what's driving the pins - you can't in a user program toggle the pins on the Pi more than 20M times/sec - even though the clock is 700MHz.
[14:18] <pksato> yes, if you network use dhcpd.
[14:18] <burbankboy> ok
[14:18] <linuxstb> gordonDrogon: Well, not a _perfect_ set-top box chip, as I'm finding out with my pidvbip app, but pretty close to meeting my needs.
[14:18] <ozzzy> yes... the speed is dictated by the chip architecture... but that has changed over the years
[14:19] <burbankboy> pksato: there are also two more lines; wpa-roam /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf and iface default inet dhcp
[14:19] <burbankboy> should i remove those too?
[14:19] <burbankboy> in favor of your script?
[14:19] * ozzzy let WICD handle all that
[14:19] <pksato> why you have these lines?
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[14:22] <d481a3> has anybody had it when running 1080p that it has a white shadow around it? no idea why but 720p fixed it
[14:22] <d481a3> sorry, white shadow around the text
[14:23] <dreamreal> nice!12
[14:23] <burbankboy> pksato: i did by default
[14:23] <burbankboy> i told you, it had a bunch of lines when i first opened the file
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[14:24] <burbankboy> auto lo // iface lo inet loopback // iface eth0 inet dhcp // allow-hotplug wlan0 // iface wlan0 inet manual // wpa-roam /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf // iface default inet dhcp
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[14:24] <burbankboy> thats what my file came with, pksato
[14:24] <burbankboy> you want me to just change "manual" to "dhcp" and then add the ssid and psk?
[14:24] <burbankboy> at the bottom?
[14:24] <pksato> yes. or no.
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[14:26] <burbankboy> ?
[14:27] <gordonDrogon> linuxstb, yea - I've forgotten the name of the commercial product now too, but I imagine for that, it's not running Linux, or of it is, it's running a Linux 100% dedicated to the task in-hand and not trying to be general purpose like the Pi is ...
[14:28] <gordonDrogon> if only I have a 1080p monitor..
[14:28] <pksato> Its is you configuration, not mine. Remove all lines related to wlan0, and write new ones.
[14:28] <burbankboy> pksato: its NOT my config. it was there by default
[14:28] <burbankboy> everything's vanilla and ive never touched anything
[14:28] <burbankboy> but alright
[14:28] <burbankboy> ill do as you said
[14:29] <linuxstb> gordonDrogon: The main issue I've found is deinterlacing. The GPU isn't powerful enough to do high quality HD deinterlacing, and the GPU fails to get the field sync right when trying to output an interlaced stream in an interlaced HDMI mode (allowing the TV to deinterlace).
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[14:30] <linuxstb> I suspect a commercial STB will be running a GPU firmware more dedicated to that task, rather than the version we struggle with.
[14:31] <burbankboy> why does midori open a faq instead of a website on launch?
[14:31] <ComraDerpyPi> wow. people flaunting an arch binary of omxplayer but the original creator deleted it off of file serve. omxplayer-git will keep me from computing for hours
[14:31] <ComraDerpyPi> should i alien the deb?
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[14:32] <ComraDerpyPi> this is arch linux
[14:32] <d481a3> cheers, 720 is one of the native resolutions so I'll stick with that
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[14:34] <burbankboy> lol pksato now it cant even find the adapter :/
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[14:36] <burbankboy> oh well
[14:36] <burbankboy> itll sort itself out
[14:36] <burbankboy> cheers, and thanks all :)
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[14:38] <burbankboy> hooray! it works
[14:38] <burbankboy> it was just the midori private browsing that didnt
[14:38] <burbankboy> sweet :D
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[14:40] <burbankboy> Alright pals, you're the best
[14:40] <burbankboy> now im gonna have to donate or something :D
[14:41] <ComraDerpyPi> lol donating is fun. id rather buy beer for chipboard makers than those crazy radio stations ive donated to lol
[14:41] <burbankboy> :)
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[14:45] <ComraDerpyPi> this morning i found an opengles binary of quake2 and it runs way better than quake3 but no sound
[14:46] * ComraDerpyPi loves binary tarballs on random websites. best thing since sliced bread.
[14:46] <gordonDrogon> linuxstb, I think it's this one: http://www.roku.com/uk
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[14:49] <linuxstb> gordonDrogon: Hmm, and cheaper than a Pi once you add power/wifi/case etc ;)
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[14:50] <ComraDerpyPi> i didn't check that link but are you hacking the roku media player?
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[14:51] <dreamreal> https://twitter.com/josephbottinger/status/336825979844587521
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[14:51] <linuxstb> ComraDerpyPi: No, just talking about the SoC in the Pi - gordonDrogon thinks the Roku uses the same one.
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[14:54] <ComraDerpyPi> I almost bought a Sony Google TV but I thought the Pi would be more fun.
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[14:55] <ComraDerpyPi> the roku was next to it in stores. turned off by no keyboard.
[14:56] <linuxstb> Yes, although the Pi is starting to show its age - it's not quie up to all media-playback tasks. I've no idea how it compares to the other low-cost boxes though.
[14:57] <ComraDerpyPi> i havent even tried omxplayer. it would be nice to get a binary.
[14:57] <ComraDerpyPi> the deb package doesnt work with arch linux's libav
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[14:58] <overrider> I am running a pretty simple website+php on my rpi (archlinux) (nginx+php-fpm). I am storing the document root in /run/http , since /run is a tmpfs. I was promising myself relatively fast access - but not so. Somehow it takes about 600-700ms from click to result in my local LAN, i am not sure what its doing during that time. Any idea where to start improving?
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[14:59] <linuxstb> overrider: Is that with static html files, or php?
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[14:59] <overrider> linuxstb: its with php
[14:59] <linuxstb> I would first test with static html,
[14:59] <lee> overrider: make use of http://php.net/microtime as in the example
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[15:00] <overrider> Its a lot better with static html of course - the php has a lot of overhead. But that much? The RPI is going to only have 1-2 users using it, ever.
[15:01] <overrider> I actually thought sdcard access would be the slowest part - not the execution of php
[15:01] <lee> depends an awful lot on what exactly the script is doing
[15:01] <overrider> of course
[15:02] <lee> sprinkle scripts liberally with microtime to see where the slowdown is
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[15:03] <linuxstb> I would probably start the other way round - firstly a static html page, then rename it to .php, then add a little php, then some more, and see how each change affects the speed.
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[15:05] <Triffid_Hunter> overrider: heh php is not exactly renowned for being fast, or easy on the cpu ;)
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[15:10] <KanjiMonster> php isn't really renowned for any postive attribute ;)
[15:10] <overrider> gah bs. but thanks
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[15:27] <Kryczek> Hello everyone! I hope one of you can help me: I am trying to measure the power draw of a USB wifi adapter by connecting an ampere-meter to VCC and GND when the device is active, but when I do so Linux throws "over-current condition" messages and the device stops working... Any idea what I am doing wrong? :)
[15:27] <Triffid_Hunter> Kryczek: yeah, hooking a current meter across the supply. you're lucky you haven't blown up your usb port
[15:28] <Kryczek> well how are you supposed to connect it then?
[15:28] <ShiftPlusOne> Kryczek, in series, not in parallel.
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[15:29] <Triffid_Hunter> Kryczek: http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol_6/chpt_2/4.html
[15:29] <SpeedEvil> this question is a lot more entertaining when asked about mains.
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[15:29] <ShiftPlusOne> ouch
[15:29] <Triffid_Hunter> Kryczek: you have to cut the positive wire and insert your meter in series
[15:30] <Kryczek> I remember all that from school thanks :) but how do I do that with a USB port? I mean where are the "before" and "after" ?
[15:30] <SpeedEvil> and often ends up 'but why doesn't the fuse stop my multimeter exploding'
[15:30] <Triffid_Hunter> Kryczek: host supplies power, device consumes it
[15:30] <Kryczek> oooooooooooooooooh
[15:30] <Kryczek> of course!
[15:30] <Kryczek> I'll put that on the lack of sleep if you'll allow me :p
[15:30] <Kryczek> thanks guys :)
[15:33] <ShiftPlusOne> Keep in mind the limits of your multimeter.
[15:33] <KanjiMonster> while probably not very accurate, don't usb controller expose the current power draw of devices?
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[15:33] <Triffid_Hunter> KanjiMonster: very few
[15:33] <Kryczek> ShiftPlusOne: didnt forget that ;) thanks anyway
[15:33] <Triffid_Hunter> KanjiMonster: most hosts simply have a 500mA polyfuse on the port, no real current monitoring at all
[15:33] <Kryczek> KanjiMonster: lsusb etc only give the maxpower usage
[15:34] <Kryczek> as advertised by the device, which is useless as they pretty much all give 500mA
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[15:35] <Triffid_Hunter> Kryczek: naw most keyboards and mice only ask for 50-100mA
[15:35] <Triffid_Hunter> I had one thing that asked for 368mA, I thought that was strangely specific
[15:35] <Kryczek> haha yeah
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[15:37] <Kryczek> 13:29 < SpeedEvil> this question is a lot more entertaining when asked about mains.
[15:37] <Kryczek> SpeedEvil: I see why there is Evil in your nick ;p
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[15:37] <SpeedEvil> someone just did in ##electronics
[15:37] <Kryczek> ouch
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[15:39] <IT_Sean> please tell me you did not provide them with instructions to fly themselves?
[15:39] <IT_Sean> *fry
[15:39] <SpeedEvil> no, they destroyed the meter first, then came and asked why
[15:40] <IT_Sean> What were they doing??
[15:40] <IT_Sean> measuring mains on a low DC setting?
[15:40] <ShiftPlusOne> Ah well... a good learning experience then.
[15:40] <SpeedEvil> seeing how much current a 15a socket could provide.
[15:40] <IT_Sean> Ouch
[15:40] <SpeedEvil> 'but the meter is 20a'
[15:41] <IT_Sean> meter went "poomf" i take it?
[15:41] <SpeedEvil> yes
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[15:47] <malcom2073> Lol, people are funny.
[15:49] <IT_Sean> Playing with mains voltage without really understanding what he was doing... he's lucky he only damaged the meter and not himself.
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[15:49] <malcom2073> Indeed, good way to get killed, playing with mains
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[16:05] <RoyK> hi all. does the pi only have 2 channel audio? or does it have surround possibilities in HDMI?
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[16:06] <linuxstb> RoyK: You can passthrough AC-3 and DTS via HDMI. I think it also supports multi-channel PCM, but I'm not sure of the details.
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[16:10] <ryankarason> what is everyone doing to backup their pi's images?
[16:10] <IT_Sean> easiest is to just take an image of the SD card.
[16:11] <IT_Sean> imo.
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[16:15] <ryankarason> IT_Sean: what program you using for imaging?
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[16:17] <IT_Sean> I don't keep backups of my SD, as i'm using my raspi for xbmc, but, you should be able to just DD it to a new image. Or use any number of other toos that can create & copy disk images.
[16:17] <visitor_> hey, anyone happens to have some raspberrypi to sell at uppsala ?
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[16:21] <Vlad> yay, picam
[16:21] * linuxstb is still waiting :(
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[16:22] <Vlad> linuxstb: don't tell ms. RS? :D
[16:22] <linuxstb> Yes, I made that mistake again ;)
[16:22] <Vlad> :)
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[16:23] <Vlad> are you in the UK?
[16:23] <linuxstb> Although someone in this channel phoned them up the other day, and they claimed they had stock.
[16:23] <Vlad> i got an email from parcelforce at about 7pm last night
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[16:23] <Vlad> seems RS themselves don't alert you
[16:23] <IT_Sean> Vlad: You got your camera module?
[16:23] <Vlad> yup
[16:23] <linuxstb> Vlad: Normally yes, but I'm visiting Spain for a couple of months and asked for it to be delivered here.
[16:23] <Vlad> ah
[16:23] <IT_Sean> Quick! Be the first to post a pic from it in #raspberrypi!
[16:24] <Vlad> gah, i've only just got in
[16:24] <Vlad> need tea first :p
[16:24] <linuxstb> Well, whilst the kettle boils...
[16:24] <IT_Sean> I was not aware that the camera module required a brownian motion source....
[16:26] <LWK> https://twitter.com/Cisecoplc/status/336848196422733824
[16:27] <IT_Sean> wassat?
[16:27] <d481a3> now if only someone would sell a camera module enclosure i'd be so there
[16:27] <IT_Sean> d481a3: naje ibw
[16:27] <IT_Sean> crap!
[16:27] <IT_Sean> Make one
[16:27] <IT_Sean> (hands were one key off, there)
[16:27] <d481a3> ha
[16:28] <d481a3> yet another excuse to buy a 3d printer!
[16:28] <IT_Sean> Indeed!
[16:28] <IT_Sean> Buy 3D printer. make camera module enclosure. ??? PROFIT!
[16:29] <d481a3> or... make blueprints, send to mass manufacturer, save on initial outlay costs
[16:29] <Vlad> right, tea is brewing and pi is updating! \o/
[16:29] <IT_Sean> WOOT
[16:29] <IT_Sean> on both counts.
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[16:29] * IT_Sean helps himself to Vlad's tea
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[16:31] <d481a3> i think i'm slightly short of tea, ** to the kettle **
[16:32] <IT_Sean> I didn't make any tea this morning.
[16:32] <ShiftPlusOne> Hmm.... me too. Vlad may have started a mass run to the kettle.
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[16:43] * Bushmills pushes espresso machine button
[16:43] * SpeedEvil presses the machine that goes bing button.
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[16:46] * IT_Sean presses the 'cuppa tea' button, and is mildly disappointed when presented with a substance which is not entirely unlike tea.
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[16:46] <Bushmills> blame sirius cybernetics
[16:47] <Bushmills> 99.9% sys
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[16:50] <IT_Sean> Bushmills: indeed.
[16:51] <IT_Sean> I was confident someone in here would get the reference
[16:51] <gordonDrogon> Tea.
[16:51] <gordonDrogon> you mean leaves in boiling water?
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[16:53] <d481a3> thats the badger
[16:55] <IT_Sean> Yes... leaves. In boiling water.
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[17:13] <armin> hi, are there game distros for the raspberry pi? e.g. something that lets me play a few games with my girlfriend when we are in bed watching the big full hd screen? graphics may be oldschool and i would love to shoot her in a spaceship or play a jumpnrun or so.
[17:14] <d481a3> not sure about distros but there are plenty of emulators
[17:14] <armin> aha
[17:15] <geordie> IT_Sean: douglas adams of course
[17:15] <geordie> i mean, really, who wouldn't get that reference...
[17:15] <d481a3> ... erm
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[17:15] <IT_Sean> geordie: Of course.
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[17:16] <IT_Sean> armin: If you are in bed with a girl, there are better things to do than play video games.
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[17:17] <d481a3> IT_Sean: depends entirely on the girl...
[17:17] <UnaClocker> No, it really doesn't. ;)
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[17:18] <d481a3> lol
[17:19] <visitor_> hello people. is anyone willing to sell raspberry units nearby stockholm ?
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[17:21] <steve_rox> seems all the rpi cams have sold out very fast
[17:21] <IT_Sean> :o
[17:21] <steve_rox> massive backlog of orders im sure
[17:21] <IT_Sean> :(
[17:21] <steve_rox> i guess i was lucky
[17:22] * IT_Sean steals steve_rox's camera module
[17:22] <steve_rox> rawr
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[17:24] <steve_rox> i just need to get the rpi to some portable build now
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[17:26] <gordonDrogon> get a big battery...
[17:26] <IT_Sean> aye. Wot 'e said ^
[17:26] <saml> are there games for rpi?
[17:26] <saml> awesome 3d game
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[17:28] <gordonDrogon> tux racer...
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[17:28] <gordonDrogon> quake3..
[17:29] <gordonDrogon> open arena..
[17:29] <ComraDerpyPi> this quakespasm that has a raspbian binary would be nice..... for gods sakes. i need arch arm packages
[17:29] <ComraDerpyPi> i want stuff with blood :)
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[17:30] <ComraDerpyPi> i seen darkplaces dev's take on android when it was around 2.2
[17:32] <ComraDerpyPi> lol, pacman has lmms, the linux sequencer
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[17:36] <rymate1234> Hey guys
[17:36] <rymate1234> My raspberry pi is set to only have 16mb of GPU ram
[17:37] <rymate1234> However free -m is showing my ram to have but 128mb
[17:37] <rymate1234> Wat do
[17:38] <ComraDerpyPi> :(
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[17:44] <gordonDrogon> rymate1234, been through the while apt-get update/upgrade, etc. process recently?
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[17:45] <rymate1234> Yup
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[17:45] <gordonDrogon> gpu_mem=16 in /boot/config.txt ?
[17:46] <rymate1234> Yup
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[17:49] <gordonDrogon> now - someone had something similar recently.
[17:49] * gordonDrogon racks his brains to remember.
[17:50] <gordonDrogon> are there any lines in config.txt that suggest loading an alternative bootloader, etc/?
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[17:53] <ShiftPlusOne> gordonDrogon, you're right. He needs to remove the two lines under gpu_mem = 16
[17:53] <rymate1234> gordonDrogon, fixed it by setting to 32mb gpu_mem
[17:53] <ShiftPlusOne> the start.elf and fixup ones
[17:54] <rymate1234> now I have a new error!
[17:54] <rymate1234> HTTP Status 404 - /WEB-INF/view/jsp/default/ui/casClientLoginView.jsp
[17:54] <rymate1234> with the pi store
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[17:56] <overrider> Do i want Alsa or Pulseaudio for my archlinux raspberry pi?
[17:57] <ozzzy> pulseaudio is evil
[17:57] <Bushmills> alsa would probably do
[17:57] <Bushmills> depends a bit how you're going to use it
[17:57] <overrider> Thanks
[17:57] <overrider> basically mpg123 mymp3.mp3
[17:58] <Bushmills> just playing locally?
[17:58] <overrider> Bushmills: yes
[17:58] <Bushmills> alsa
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[18:08] <ozzzy> If I hang a Pi on the back of my tv.... can I run omxplayer via ssh and have the video/audio show up on the tv?
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[18:09] <PKodon> ozzzy: I would assume so, as long as you're using the HDMI connection from the Pi.
[18:10] <ozzzy> that was what I was thinking
[18:10] <PKodon> I know someone to uses a Pi to stream movies from the hard drive on his computer, elsewhere in the house, via Ethernet.
[18:11] <ozzzy> that's what I had in mind
[18:11] <gazzwi86> I have a pi with wifi. If i reset the router, how can I make sur the pi reconnects
[18:11] <Bushmills> PKodon: raspberry can access remote drives, reading and playing movies from there
[18:11] <ozzzy> ifdown wlan0; ifup wlan0?
[18:11] <Bushmills> no need to stream video
[18:12] <ozzzy> yeah... I was just going to suck the files off a shared drive and play them on the big screen
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[18:12] <PKodon> Bushmills: Well, yes, but in a way, it's "streaming", as it's playing it via the ethernet.
[18:12] <Bushmills> autofs is comfortable in this context
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[18:13] <rymate1234> which web browser is best for the rpi?
[18:13] <PKodon> Though, I suppose that's probably not the term.
[18:13] <Bushmills> oh well, it's more like "reading file" what then happens over ethernet
[18:13] <arcanescu> does anyone know what parameters does the default raspivid use -> h264 profile: baseline,high or what? also IFrameIntervals?
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[18:14] <shmizad> hi there, what's the best shop with the shortest waitiug time to buy the camera module in europe?
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[18:22] * d481a3 is compiling. . .
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[18:24] <Bushmills> isn't that what compilers, running on computers, are for?
[18:24] <d481a3> :)
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[18:25] <ShiftPlusOne> Unless he meant he is being compiled himself
[18:25] * ShiftPlusOne tries to run d481a3
[18:25] <d481a3> needed something to do so decided to have a little compile
[18:26] <Bushmills> nothing beats good old pen-and-paper system :)
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[18:32] <Chaz6> Is it true that you can also power the pi from one of the usb B ports? I'm sure I've read a few people doing that
[18:32] <IT_Sean> you can, if you powered hub backfeeds.
[18:32] <gordonDrogon> Chaz6, yes - if it's a rev 2.
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[18:33] <mgottschlag> well, except that the usb b ports are usb a :)
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[18:33] <Chaz6> Oops yes sorry
[18:34] <Chaz6> I'm sol then, mine's revision 1
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[18:35] <mgottschlag> rev1 needs a hardware modification
[18:36] <gordonDrogon> rev 1's polyfuses will stop that.
[18:36] <thogue> you can modify the rev1.
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[18:37] <RoyK> anyone that knows how many audio channels that are laid out on the hdmi port?
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[18:38] <mgottschlag> isn't hdmi audio purely digital with one digital channel and everything else being implemented in software?
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[18:40] <jddj> Hi
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[18:40] <jddj> Have debian experience, but a Pi noob
[18:40] <jddj> Question:
[18:41] <jddj> Couldn't get hard float to boot past the emergency image. Wrote the image to the card many times, with many computers, many imaging/setup progs
[18:41] <jddj> Got the exact same result. Just the Pi logo anda list of what I'd plugged on USB, and a root console at the emergency image
[18:41] <Chaz6> If there's a Rev C I would love to have ethernet over hdmi support
[18:41] <gordonDrogon> jddj, just to check by hard float, do you mean Raspbian ?
[18:41] <jddj> hard float: Raspbian
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[18:42] <gordonDrogon> ok. try (a) different SD card and (b) different PSU.
[18:42] <gordonDrogon> possibly not in that order.
[18:42] <jddj> Soft float worked fine - until I used Hexxeh's firmware update, and now soft float works just like hard float.
[18:42] <gordonDrogon> depending on whats easiest.
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[18:42] <ShiftPlusOne> jddj, I have seen that happen to people when their hdmi cables were dodgy as well.
[18:42] <ShiftPlusOne> I don't think the sd card is the problem though.
[18:42] <jddj> Tried installer - installer worked fine until first boot after install.
[18:42] <jddj> Then same symptoms
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[18:43] <jddj> I'm getting it that the Rpi looks for a fat32 partition
[18:43] <jddj> Looks like the emergency image is the first FAT32 on the card
[18:43] <geordie> jddj: what's the voltage across TP1 and TP2?
[18:44] <jddj> Haven't checked - can do so. Have tried on several PSUs.
[18:44] <ShiftPlusOne> What are the conditions for an emergency kernel boot anyway?
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[18:44] <mgottschlag> jddj: the fat32 partition is not emergency specific, the kernel on it is just the normal kernel
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[18:46] <jddj> Getting meter, checking voltage - BRB
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[18:48] <jddj> 4.71v - sounds not so hot
[18:49] <jddj> mgottschlag, so the "emergency image" kicks off the boot and something's hanging up before that happens?
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[18:49] <mgottschlag> 4.71 is too little
[18:49] <jddj> yep - guessed that. First time I've metered it./
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[18:49] <mgottschlag> well, the kernel tries to boot and at some point trips over something and enters emergency mode
[18:50] <mgottschlag> actually, 4.71 is only slightly off the specifications, but anyways
[18:50] <mgottschlag> as soon as it draws more power for a split second, the voltage will drop even lower
[18:50] <jddj> OK - think I might have it...
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[18:52] <jddj> Just pulled my MAX3232 level shifter off the GPIO pins, and boots as expected. With LOWER voltage of 4.68vdc - #wth?
[18:52] <jddj> Thanks for assistance. Will heal this PSU
[18:52] <jddj> OSU problem
[18:52] <ParkerR> 4.71 is lower but not quite the cutoff
[18:52] <jddj> PSU problem
[18:52] <gordonDrogon> heal it by throwing it in the bin ;-)
[18:52] <jddj> I'm sure I've got a phone it can charge.
[18:53] <jddj> This is the one Newark sold with the unitl
[18:53] <gordonDrogon> during boot the system will spike the psu - so some will run fine, but have issues booting.
[18:53] <geordie> jddj: don't rule out the usb cord itself, or, evidently, the sd card as a cause of voltage drop
[18:53] <jddj> I have some super-monster-killer Lenmar 4-port chargers, but I think they only hand out 500ma/port - but 2A overall
[18:54] <jddj> I keep seeing HTC chargers recommended. But also have PSU skillz, and could build one
[18:54] <mgottschlag> heh, cheap usb hubs which are too cheap to implement any per-port current limiting are the best :D
[18:54] <ComraDerpyPi> thats cool ^ and cheap B)
[18:55] <jddj> Gonna have to figure out how to source enough juice to run that MAX3232 - building this for an RS232 application
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[18:55] <jddj> Maybe get that Lenmar and run 4 USB connectors in an ugly parallel hack to get all 2A down to the Pi... ;)
[18:56] <jddj> Thanks all - gotta run now!
[18:56] <gordonDrogon> I have an HTC & Jawbone chargers that work mostly OK - unless I enable the turbo OC modes.
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[18:57] <gordonDrogon> ah well - he's gone, else I'd have told him to power the Pi via the GPIO port & some of the power wories would go away...
[18:57] <ParkerR> Well wouldnt there be more power worries? Since its not using the fuse
[18:57] <mgottschlag> hm, how large is the resistance of the polyfuse?
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[19:04] <gordonDrogon> the fuse drops a tiny bit of voltage - so not using it avoids that drop.
[19:05] <gordonDrogon> however without a fuse of some-sorts, there is the potential of something going phut, should you get a short on the PCB, USB, etc.
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[19:06] <IT_Sean> And once you release the magical blue smoke, your Pi stops working.
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[19:26] <m0nk3yjoe> rpi-update broke my machine on sunday did this happen to anyone else?
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[19:37] <pengu> no .. not here .. I think
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[19:40] <m0nk3yjoe> one of the updates sunday night destroyed my Pi
[19:41] <IT_Sean> i highly doubt that.
[19:41] <IT_Sean> It may have corrupted your SD card or something, but i highly doubt it "destroyed" your raspi
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[19:43] <IanCormac> It literally exploded and caught his house on fire
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[19:44] <m0nk3yjoe> IT_Sean, duh yeah
[19:44] <m0nk3yjoe> IanCormac, =P
[19:45] <m0nk3yjoe> Corrupted my SD card and rendered my system unusable
[19:45] <rymate1234> so just reinstall the image?
[19:46] <m0nk3yjoe> Yeah I know that
[19:46] <m0nk3yjoe> I was asking if it happened to anyone else
[19:46] <m0nk3yjoe> I know I got to dd and rebuild from scratch
[19:46] <m0nk3yjoe> Which sux
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[19:51] <rymate1234> m0nk3yjoe, my Pi once got corrupted when I overclocked to 1000Mhz
[19:52] <gordonDrogon> I gave up on OC months ago...
[19:52] <m0nk3yjoe> That sux
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[19:52] <gordonDrogon> it was fun when I was experimenting, but..
[19:52] <rymate1234> why
[19:52] <rymate1234> ?
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[19:55] <Megaf> folks, any of you using your Pi with OpenVZ?
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[19:58] <geordie> i experience filesystem corruption only when i overclock.
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[20:01] <m0nk3yjoe> geordie, well I thought it was allowed at this point if you have the proper power
[20:02] <m0nk3yjoe> adapater
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[20:04] <gordonDrogon> rymate1234, once the new turbo mode came in, I started to get SD card corruption with OC, so I turned it off. Not missed it.
[20:04] <geordie> m0nk3yjoe: i don't know about allowed or not, just that it doesn't work with my setup
[20:04] <m0nk3yjoe> Model B?
[20:04] <geordie> rev 2 model b
[20:06] * ozzzy wonders if UPS ever updates their tracking
[20:06] <IanCormac> Package tracking services almost universally blow
[20:07] <Chaz6> i had an invoice from fedex the other day for customs charge, and found out you cant pay it on their website
[20:07] <IT_Sean> Chaz6: have you already received the package?
[20:07] <Chaz6> Yes I did
[20:07] <Chaz6> I just need to pay the invoice
[20:07] <IT_Sean> then why would you pay the customs charge?
[20:08] <Chaz6> Because if i dont pay they'll get a ccj against me most likely
[20:08] <Chaz6> Which is bad for my reputation and credit score
[20:08] <IT_Sean> wassat?
[20:08] <Chaz6> county court judgement
[20:08] <Chaz6> ie they'll take me to court
[20:08] <Chaz6> then they'll appoint a debt collector
[20:08] <IT_Sean> bah... if they wanted you to pay the customs charge, they should have asked for it BEFORE they gave you the package.
[20:09] <Chaz6> Yeah you'd think that, i guess they're being nice
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[20:09] <Chaz6> parcelforce make you pay first
[20:09] <IanCormac> They are indeed being nice
[20:09] <IT_Sean> And that will be their downfall.
[20:09] <IanCormac> USPS does the same thing, if the person is nice
[20:10] <Chaz6> On the other hand, parcelforce let you pay invoices on their website
[20:10] <IanCormac> the person who sent the package was like 40 cents short, so they left me a note with my package asking for 40 cents
[20:10] <Chaz6> fedex want me to mail a cheque or phone them up
[20:10] <IanCormac> instead of holding the package or returning it
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[20:16] <gadgetoid> Anyone aware of the TechWeek Europe competition?
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[20:17] <gadgetoid> Seems like it'd be right up your street, anyway, linky: http://www.techweekeurope.co.uk/news/competition-design-an-office-device-and-get-to-build-it-for-free-115015
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[20:23] <ozzzy> hehe... rechecked UPS and it said 'delivered'... but nobody rang the bell... so I went out and nothing in the mailbox
[20:24] <ozzzy> the wife's PSW met them in the driveway and brought it in... didn't tell anyone
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[20:30] <gordonDrogon> Chaz6, I managed to pay FedEX via their website, but it wasn't easy )-:
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[20:31] <Chaz6> Oh well done :)
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[20:33] <ozzzy> not bad... ordered a Pi yesterday at 2pm... delivered today at 1:51pm
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[20:37] <gordonDrogon> seems about right :)
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[20:41] <Gadget-Mac> gordonDrogon: You around ?
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[20:54] <gordonDrogon> Gadget-Mac, Hi.
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[20:57] <bts__> what assembler would you reccomend for arch/arm?
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[20:58] <gjoseph> hi there
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[20:59] <gordonDrogon> 'as' is the gnu assembler...
[20:59] <bts__> oh... it's so simple
[20:59] <gordonDrogon> but I don't personally recommend coding in assembler unless you really really need to these days!
[21:00] <gjoseph> trying to run x-based apps on my Pi without lxde - no dice so far. XTerm seems to work (although I can't type in it) but chromium or midori fail with "xinit: connection to X server lost". Anyone up for troubleshooting?
[21:00] <bts__> it's just matter of curiousity :)
[21:00] <gordonDrogon> gjoseph, you're running X without a window manager?
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[21:01] <gjoseph> gordonDrogon: that's what I was hoping to do yeah
[21:01] <gjoseph> very limited success so far :D
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[21:01] <gordonDrogon> gjoseph, I'm sure its possible, but ...
[21:02] <gjoseph> gordonDrogon: goal being to run a browser in kiosk mode, so i really don't need windows, menus etc
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[21:03] <gordonDrogon> just use a lightweight wm and chrome --kiosk
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[21:04] <gjoseph> gordonDrogon: any suggestion ? I'd seen a note of "nodm" before but somehow apt-get wasn't cooperating.. heck i'll try again
[21:04] <Bushmills> gjoseph: you can start X with am xterminal, like rxvt or xterm
[21:05] <gjoseph> Bushmills: for i'm doing this: xinit /home/pi/.xinitrc - .xinitrc has this:
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[21:05] <gjoseph> http://pastie.org/7940308
[21:06] <Bushmills> alternatively, to run another X app in X from cli, startx /path/to/program should do
[21:06] <gjoseph> Bushmills: the line with xterm "works" (as in it runs and starts something that looks like an xterm) - but if uncomment the midori or chromium line instead, seems like X crashes - xinit: connection to X server lost
[21:07] <gjoseph> startx /usr/bin/midori - black screen for a few seconds, 2/3 white rectangle for a few less seconds, then connection to X server lost
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[21:09] <Bushmills> hm. startx /usr/bin/xterm runs? can you start midori from there?
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[21:10] <gjoseph> Bushmills: it runs xterm but somehow the focus doesn't seem to be on the terminal so i can't type (no mouse)
[21:11] <Bushmills> check how startx /usr/bin/xterm -e midori (ought to open both xterm and midori)
[21:11] <Bushmills> for focus you can full-screen xterm
[21:11] <Bushmills> (from command line, at invocation)
[21:12] <gjoseph> Bushmills: i see that starts xterm, then a slightly larger midori gray rectangle shows up then bam - same error as before
[21:13] <Bushmills> appears to be something midori dislikes
[21:13] <Bushmills> no idea
[21:13] <gjoseph> yup, same for chromium
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[21:16] <gbaman> hey bushmills?
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[21:24] <gjoseph> Bushmills: gordonDrogon installed nodm, doesn't seem to have helped, although i have no indication it's actually running/used
[21:24] <gadgetoid> gbaman: Ahoy!
[21:24] <gbaman> gadgetoid!
[21:24] <gadgetoid> gbaman: Yes I do maintain the WiringPi Python bindings!
[21:24] <gbaman> do you have plans to release debs?
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[21:24] <gadgetoid> gbaman: since you're after some, I'm going to figure out how and do so
[21:25] <gbaman> :)
[21:25] <gadgetoid> gbaman: but it'll be a learning curve for me!
[21:25] <Bushmills> nodm isn't a window manager replacement
[21:25] <Bushmills> it gives an alternative for running a display manager
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[21:25] <gbaman> would highly appreciate it, currently the only way to install it on a fresh non foundation OS is from source
[21:25] <ozzzy> anyone know what the normal temp of a pi's cpu is
[21:26] <gbaman> and for the thing I am working on, debs are really the only way
[21:26] <gadgetoid> gbaman: Looks like there are guides to creating a .deb from a python setup.py, if you're willing to test I'll get on it ASAP. Planning to look into Gordon's latest changes and update the bindings tonight if I can
[21:26] <gjoseph> Bushmills: ehhhh an alternative to what exactly ? I guess i'm confused
[21:26] <hydroxygen> ozzzy, 120-130f
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[21:26] <gbaman> I will happily test when ready :)
[21:27] <gadgetoid> Anyway, back in a moment!
[21:27] <gbaman> nearly everyone uses foundation provided images but mine has to be built from scratch
[21:27] <Bushmills> gjoseph: want to run X apps without window manager. nodm is for launching into X without display manager
[21:28] <Bushmills> window manager draws those clicky things around windows
[21:29] <gjoseph> Bushmills: ok, got it, but then what's a display manager :D
[21:29] <thesov> has anyone here used the raspberry pi thin client?
[21:29] <Bushmills> graphical login screen, essentially
[21:29] <gjoseph> Bushmills: got it
[21:30] <gjoseph> so i don't need that, really.
[21:32] <gjoseph> Bushmills: it's this post that led me to believe i didnt need a dm in the first place - nor a wm or desktop environment for that matter - http://russ.garrett.co.uk/2013/04/15/driving-monitoring-displays-in-linux/ - but it's not specific to the pi... waiting for an update from the author
[21:33] <Bushmills> a dm you don't need even when you want to be able to move windows and click on window bar buttons
[21:34] <Bushmills> a dm you use either when several users use the machine, or sometimes if you want to graphically log in to remote machines
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[21:34] <gjoseph> right.
[21:34] <gjoseph> thanks for the clarification
[21:35] <gjoseph> now if only i could figure out why midori/chromium just have X bail... nothing in /var/log/Xorg.0.log that's specific to when i run them (get some error messages, but get the same when running xterm)
[21:36] <ozzzy> hydroxygen: tks
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[21:40] <ozzzy> http://www.togastro.com/ozzzy/images/pi_shutter_motor_board.png <-- the next project starts
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[21:47] <yebyen> Can anyone help me rescue my raspbian wheezy that's been 'upgraded' to ARMv7 armhf debian?
[21:47] <yebyen> Here is the story, if you want to try my mistakes: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5743307
[21:48] <ShiftPlusOne> Oh... that wasn't smart at all D=
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[21:50] <yebyen> Yeah, well if I pass this one test, I think I will have a greater mastery over the internals of dpkg
[21:50] <ShiftPlusOne> Here's one option that may or may not work. DD the sdcard into an image, boot that image from qemu using an ARMv7 CPU and reverse the changes. Not sure if that's possible.
[21:51] <yebyen> ShiftPlusOne: That would work, if I had an ARMv7 that I could boot from SD. I don't think my TF-101 will do that.
[21:51] <yebyen> Oh, using QEMU.
[21:51] <yebyen> That would probably also work.
[21:51] <ShiftPlusOne> It seems a lot more sensible to start from scratch though.
[21:51] <yebyen> There's some package that's probably meant to be installed using debootstrap, like debconf has a post-install hook depending on debconf or some thing like that.
[21:52] <yebyen> I just need to know what package contains the library that causes /usr/share/debconf/frontend to bomb out
[21:52] <yebyen> Or alternatively, what is the library, and I'll figure out what package
[21:52] <ShiftPlusOne> Best of luck =/
[21:53] <yebyen> You can do it in a chroot if you don't want to ruin your pi image :)
[21:53] <yebyen> I will probably figure it out sooner or later.
[21:53] <yebyen> I have noprocrast set, so I can't see right now if anyone's answered the thread on HackerNews, but I'm not holding out much hope
[21:53] <yebyen> unless it's someone from here.
[21:54] <Dagger2> yebyen: try running it under the perl debugger and see where it fails?
[21:55] <yebyen> Dagger2: i did not know about that, best debugger I had seen was strace
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[21:56] <yebyen> ha...
[21:56] <yebyen> it quits with 'illegal instruction' too
[21:57] <gjoseph> Bushmills: if you still have some patience for me - here's another post that seems to say this should work - https://github.com/MobilityLab/TransitScreen/wiki/Raspberry-Pi ... but their example xinit command fails the same way for more (connection to X server lost)
[21:57] <Dagger2> yebyen: so... probably perl then?
[21:58] <yebyen> Dagger2: it's a certain perl module or compiled dependency
[21:58] <yebyen> Dagger2: I'm looking at gettext
[21:58] <Dagger2> does ldd work?
[21:58] <gadgetoid> Hmm, creating entropy on a remote Pi
[21:58] <yebyen> can you dpkg -l|grep gettext and tell me the versions you have, for gettext-base and liblocale-gettext-perl?
[21:58] <yebyen> brb
[21:59] <Dagger2> not on an RPi at the moment
[21:59] <Bushmills> gjoseph: i don't think it matters how you start the app
[21:59] <gadgetoid> gbaman: presumably you'd need a deb with both wiringPi's libraries and GPIO binary and wiringPi2-Python?
[22:00] <gbaman> yes
[22:00] <gjoseph> Bushmills: hmmmya... but something makes X crash ? can't figure out what
[22:00] <Bushmills> difference it makes is mainly how much it will tell you about problems. launching from an xterm is most chatty in that respect
[22:01] <gjoseph> haa
[22:01] <gjoseph> ok i'll pursue that again. didn't manage to get it fullscreen last time
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[22:01] <Bushmills> are you running that kdrive derivate server? or xorg?
[22:01] <gjoseph> Bushmills: xorg i assume, i have no idea what kdrive is
[22:02] <Bushmills> kdrive was a compact Xserver for embedded devices. it has a successor which name i've forgotten
[22:02] <yebyen> Dagger2: Bushmills gave me a really complex perl script to test my perl was working
[22:02] <gjoseph> SmallX says wikipedia ?
[22:03] <Bushmills> xterm -fullscreen
[22:04] <Bushmills> it may hide windows you're opening from there
[22:04] <gjoseph> Bushmills: i'm doing xinit /usr/bin/xterm -fullscreen but it's still not fullscreen. xterm not-preceeded-by-xinit says it can't open the display
[22:05] <Bushmills> startx
[22:05] <gjoseph> hmmm same ?
[22:05] <Bushmills> you could alternatively set -geometry XxY
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[22:07] <Bushmills> -geometry 150x50 maybe. depends on font and screen resolution
[22:07] <gjoseph> yep, that works, in that the window is larger, but still no focus
[22:07] <gordonDrogon> gadgetoid, does wiringPython use the wiringPi libs, or does it compile them into its own world?
[22:08] <Bushmills> fiddle with geometry until it covers whole screen. should have focus then
[22:08] <gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: I'm not entirely sure! libraries scare me.
[22:08] <gjoseph> Bushmills: oh wow, indeed.
[22:08] <gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: From what I remember using a bare install, I had trouble with missing libraries using just a compiled wiringPi2-Python… but I could have imagined that!
[22:08] <gjoseph> and from there i could just launch midori, bypassing startx/xinit, right ?
[22:08] <gordonDrogon> gadgetoid, oh... so do you install wiringPi first, then create the wiringPython things?
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[22:09] <gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: I need to find the time to image some SD cards and test everything from the groun dup
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[22:09] <gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Or just become a debian dev and submit the debs with the correct dependencies set up from the get go
[22:10] <gjoseph> Bushmills: segfault.... urgh.
[22:10] <gordonDrogon> gadgetoid, ha:) if I have time this weekend I'll look at .deb'ing wiringPi.
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[22:10] <gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: That would be pretty awesome, and the way to go to get it widely recognised
[22:10] <gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: wiringPi + Python bindings should be the de-facto two hit combo to supplant RPi.GPIO :D
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[22:11] <gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Although I've sinned, and used Python PySerial over WiringPi Serial because I couldn't get it to work for reasons unknown
[22:11] * ozzzy uses WiringPi and BASH
[22:11] * gordonDrogon shrugs
[22:11] <gadgetoid> ozzzy: "gpio" binary?
[22:12] <ozzzy> yep
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[22:14] <gadgetoid> Slow, but effective!
[22:14] <gadgetoid> It's a nice tool for debugging, too
[22:15] <ozzzy> I don't need speed... I just need pins to turn on/off
[22:15] <gordonDrogon> gadgetoid, http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/thermal-printer-p-1160.html <- thermal printer, but sold out )-:
[22:15] <gordonDrogon> ozzzy, yup. and with the new -x flag, you can tweak ports on gpio expander, 595 shift registers, A/D converterso ,etc. :)
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[22:20] <ozzzy> gordonDrogon: can any pin be put into pwm mode?
[22:21] <gordonDrogon> ozzzy, using softPWM yes, but that only runs while your program is running.
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[22:21] <ozzzy> ahh... that's what I'm doing now
[22:21] <gordonDrogon> so can't be used via the 'gpio' command.
[22:21] <ozzzy> wrote a litte c program to do that
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[22:21] <gordonDrogon> that'll work - as long as the program is running.
[22:23] <ozzzy> I turn it on to vary the speed of a motor while the motor input is enabled.... it shuts down after the motor stops
[22:24] <burbankboy> So which is the main browser for raspbian?
[22:24] <burbankboy> like what's the "default" browser?
[22:24] <geordie> midori i guess
[22:24] <ozzzy> midori I think
[22:24] <geordie> dillo is fast and light
[22:25] <burbankboy> how come i cant get midori to run?
[22:25] <burbankboy> it just opens the faq whenever i select it in the menu
[22:25] <ozzzy> works fine here... I type 'midori' and up it comes
[22:25] <geordie> open an lxterminal and type in midori
[22:25] <burbankboy> I select midori in the lxde start menu, and it opens a tiny window with the header "midori:faq"
[22:25] <burbankboy> geordie: i shouldnt have to use term. though
[22:26] <geordie> no you shouldn't.
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[22:26] <Bushmills> faq sound ok. more informative than an empty page
[22:27] <Bushmills> what else should it display?
[22:27] <IT_Sean> burbankboy: is there a URL bar you can type a URL in to?
[22:27] <burbankboy> No.
[22:27] <burbankboy> But I hit ctrl+w
[22:27] <Bushmills> default porn?
[22:27] <burbankboy> and it clsoed the faq and went to the normal view
[22:27] <burbankboy> so
[22:27] <IT_Sean> well, there you go.
[22:27] <burbankboy> weird, but now it works i guess
[22:27] <IT_Sean> Bushmills: no porn.
[22:27] <burbankboy> anyone know how i can alternate between content area and address bar using keybaord?
[22:28] <ozzzy> the faq doesn't come up here
[22:28] <burbankboy> ozzzy: weird
[22:28] <Bushmills> try ctrl-tab
[22:29] <burbankboy> That just switches tab
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[22:31] <Bushmills> shift-tab
[22:31] <ruhju> ctrl+l
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[22:33] <gjoseph> Bushmills: me again ... dbus issues.. sound familiar ? Out of ideas, i tried luakit - also segfaults, but before segfaulting, outputs warnings about not being to open a connection to the session bus ... /usr/bin/dbus-launch terminated abnormally etc
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[22:34] <Bushmills> yes, sounds familiar. but i haven't had that on raspberry yet
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[22:35] <Bushmills> try to run midori with strace. that may give an idea why it segfaults
[22:36] <Bushmills> (a printed error message and the segfault don't have to be related to each other)
[22:38] <gjoseph> Bushmills: hmmm the last messages are about clock_gettime(about 15 times) and gittimeofday twice, then SIGSEGV, killed by SIGSEGV
[22:39] <gjoseph> similar pattern with luakit
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[22:39] <Bushmills> not a good clue
[22:41] <gjoseph> gotta run home for the night unfortunately. Grmmdmmfmm. I'd like to understand wth is going on rather than start from scratch. I get the feeling that apt-get upgrade wasn't the brightest idea, as i'm pretty sure i've had midori and chromium running before on my previous sd
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[22:41] <burbankboy> Bushmills and ruhju: Thanks.
[22:41] <burbankboy> none of your suggestions managed to help me alternate between URL bar/content but
[22:41] <burbankboy> it at least switched the focus to url bar
[22:41] <gjoseph> gotta run home for the night unfortunately. Grmmdmmfmm. I'd like to understand wth is going on rather than start from scratch. I get the feeling that apt-get upgrade wasn't the brightest idea, as i'm pretty sure i've had midori and chromium running before on my previous sd$
[22:41] <burbankboy> allowing me to get back by cycling through the tabs once
[22:41] <burbankboy> :)
[22:41] <burbankboy> thx
[22:45] <gjoseph> Bushmills: thanks for the support anyway - good night. I might get back to you tomorrow;)
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[22:47] <burbankboy> Can I leave my Pi on at work overnight?
[22:47] <burbankboy> is there any chance of fire?
[22:47] <y> burbankboy: same as or less than with a regular computer, i'd assume
[22:47] <y> burbankboy: unless you've laid it precariously on top of a cup of water
[22:47] <burbankboy> what if i scratched it somehow
[22:47] <burbankboy> when putting it in my case
[22:47] <y> burbankboy: if it's in a non-conductive case then your chance of fire is even more reduced
[22:48] <burbankboy> its plastic :o
[22:48] <y> exactly, it's non-conductive
[22:48] <burbankboy> ok
[22:48] <y> the thing thermal throttles if it gets too hot anyway, it's not going to melt or catch fire
[22:48] <burbankboy> well someone came on here before saying his pi started smouldering
[22:48] <y> as i said, it's probably less dangerous than some other large electronic device considering it's small power draw
[22:48] <burbankboy> ok
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[22:56] <gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: trying my first build against the new wiringPi, wish me luck!
[22:58] <gordonDrogon> go for it ...
[23:01] <burbankboy> Now that I've got interent access
[23:01] <burbankboy> is there anything i should download or update?
[23:01] <burbankboy> aside from apt-get update
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[23:02] <ring0> apt-get upgrade or dist-upgrade?
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[23:03] <gordonDrogon> do all of those.
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[23:04] <ozzzy> what's the latest kernel?
[23:05] <chithead> this one: https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/tree/rpi-3.9.y
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[23:05] <ozzzy> does it have usbip support built in?
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[23:05] <ring0> why is omxplayer not installed from the standard repository but locally in the latest raspbian build?
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[23:08] <burbankboy> ok thanks
[23:08] <ring0> maybe for stability reasons?
[23:08] <gordonDrogon> Linux pi0 3.6.11+ #452 PREEMPT Fri May 17 14:25:40 BST 2013 armv6l GNU/Linux
[23:08] <gordonDrogon> standard kernel with Raspbian.
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[23:10] <chithead> this is the default config https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/blob/rpi-3.9.y/arch/arm/configs/bcmrpi_defconfig
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[23:12] <ozzzy> gordonDrogon: that's what I'm running
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[23:12] <burbankboy> is it bad to unplug the pi without shutting down the OS
[23:12] <burbankboy> ?
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[23:13] <Mogwai> burbankboy: Yup, generally it's a bad idea
[23:14] <burbankboy> hm
[23:14] <burbankboy> that kinda sucks :/
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[23:14] <burbankboy> what if i had a script that listened to see if the wifi dongle is removed
[23:14] <burbankboy> so i can shut it down by pulling it out?
[23:14] <rikkib> I have never had a problem just pulling the plug. Linux normally is able to recover
[23:15] <Mogwai> burbankboy: Sure, sounds doable
[23:15] <burbankboy> hmm ok
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[23:16] <rikkib> The only issue is with unsaved data
[23:16] <aphadke> hello - i just got a usb video capture card, any ideas on whether i can capture TV input (audio + video) without any lag/lip-sync issues?
[23:16] <burbankboy> well, my pi just runs a browser windwo
[23:16] <burbankboy> window*
[23:16] <burbankboy> displaying info
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[23:19] <Mogwai> burbankboy: The worst that could happen is some file system corruption .. if you don't mind re-imaging your card from backups you can settle for yanking the cable :)
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[23:19] <aphadke> or can anyone suggest a good USB video capture card for the pi?
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[23:22] <rikkib> Personally I think vid cap at any decent frame rate/resolution is beyond the RPi
[23:24] <rikkib> &
[23:24] <rikkib> My cameras running motion
[23:25] <ring0> rikkib, is that the rpi cam module?
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[23:25] <rikkib> No
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[23:25] <rikkib> Best viewed with vlc
[23:25] <pksato> .quit
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[23:25] <rikkib> Standard cheap web cam
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[23:26] <rikkib> 320x240 @ 1fps
[23:26] <linuxstb> aphadke: You can't get digital TV?
[23:26] <aphadke> linuxstb: i can, i am planning to build something like a sling box
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[23:27] <rikkib> The camera has already earned its keep by catching a petty thief in the yard
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[23:28] <rikkib> The web interface with both cams
[23:29] <ShiftPlusOne> rikkib, Are those still usb cams or is it th official cam?
[23:29] <rikkib> Standard usb web cams... Cheap and nasty
[23:29] <linuxstb> aphadke: If you can get digital TV, why do you want an video capture card? Just get a DVB tuner.
[23:30] <ShiftPlusOne> ah
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[23:30] <aphadke> linkxs: afaik, in US, if i am connected to a settop box, then my only option is to use a capture card
[23:30] <rikkib> RPi running motion and a main server running motion to aggregate as per the base url
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[23:31] <linkxs> you mean linuxstb?
[23:31] <ant_thomas> Are them cameras live now?
[23:31] <rikkib> Yes
[23:31] <ant_thomas> don't seem to be working here
[23:31] <linuxstb> linkxs: Sorry, everyone seems to do that to you ;)
[23:31] <rikkib> The man wandering around is the business owner
[23:31] <linkxs> yeah, i noticed. it's fine :)(
[23:31] <rikkib> The business PC recycle
[23:32] <\\Mr_C\\> rikkib, is that done on the rpi?
[23:32] <thesov> has anyone tried the raspi think client distro?
[23:33] <rikkib> The cams are RPi The server to aggregate is X86 PC running debian and motion
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[23:33] <rikkib> Cams run on nfs
[23:33] <\\Mr_C\\> oh
[23:33] <\\Mr_C\\> the places need a good house cleaning, its a mess there
[23:33] <rikkib> All software to run the cams is on the x86 server
[23:33] <linuxstb> aphadke: Ah, OK. Sorry, I don't know what your options are in the US. If you want a capture card, just make sure it has a hardware MPEG-2 or H264 encoder on it (and is supported under Linux)
[23:33] <\\Mr_C\\> i couldnt stand that, i would go insane
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[23:34] <rikkib> The RPi cams have 2gb sd with only boot partition
[23:34] <aphadke> linuxstb: any recommendations?
[23:35] <linuxstb> aphadke: I'm pretty sure someone reported this worked OK on his Pi - http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV-PVR-USB2
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[23:37] <rikkib> The main issue with the RPi is the kernel developers who seen to ignore the fact they broke the kernel mid way through last year
[23:37] <rikkib> Anyone trying reproduce what I do can't unless they run an old kernel
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[23:37] <SpeedEvil> broke what?
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[23:38] <aphadke> linuxstb: yea, i have seen that, but i don't need a tv tuner.. http://www.amazon.com/Hauppauge-WinTV-PVR-USB-Bundle-Tuner-Personal-Recorder/dp/B000B8JGP6/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1369172266&sr=8-6&keywords=wintv+pvr+usb2
[23:38] <aphadke> the tv tuner just increases the cost
[23:39] <steve_rox2> hmm they got a bit bigger lately
[23:39] <rikkib> If I knew exactly what is wrong I would fix it but it is a deep seated usb driver issue
[23:39] <SpeedEvil> anyone aware of DAB reception working with commodity USB sticks?
[23:39] <SpeedEvil> rikkib: git bisect
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[23:39] <steve_rox2> i have a usb tv dab device , i gave up with it cos the lack of win7 drivers+software
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[23:40] <rikkib> I tracked it to a date and usb update but you can't debug the issue because that part of the code is controlled by bcm
[23:40] <linuxstb> aphadke: I doubt the tv tuner adds much. But I don't think the choice of linux supported hardware capture cards with encoders is that large.
[23:41] <aphadke> linuxstb: true, sad but true
[23:41] <aphadke> would be so nice to build a sling competitor :)
[23:41] <SpeedEvil> I have one of these http://m.johnlewis.com/mt/www.johnlewis.com/pure-oasis-flow-dab-internet-radio/p231251802
[23:41] <SpeedEvil> well, the old non internet version.
[23:41] <SpeedEvil> want to pi it
[23:42] <SpeedEvil> rikai: what changes on the behaviour?
[23:42] <SpeedEvil> have you tried contacting them?
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[23:45] <linuxstb> SpeedEvil: You're in the UK?
[23:46] <SpeedEvil> yes
[23:47] <linuxstb> SpeedEvil: Then forget DAB, get the radio stations via DVB-T or DVB-S - the bitrate is generally higher.
[23:47] <linuxstb> Or probably even the internet
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[23:48] <SpeedEvil> coverage
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[23:51] <gadgetoid> All the compiling.
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[23:52] <gadgetoid> If anyone wants to play with this, and prod at some of the functions… https://github.com/Gadgetoid/WiringPi2-Python
[23:52] * ozzzy wonders how long a kernel compile takes on a pi
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[23:52] <gadgetoid> ozzzy: A long. long. long time.
[23:52] <gadgetoid> Which is to say, I don't know… 'cos I left it overnight!
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[23:53] <ozzzy> I seem to recall a 45 min compile on a 400MHz K6
[23:53] <Bushmills> i estimate between 30 and 60 minutes. took about an hour with my dx2-50, but then the kernel was much smaller
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[23:54] <Bushmills> or was that already the K6 :)
[23:54] <gadgetoid> Haven't needed to compile a kernel since Raspbian really, they seem to have it nailed and I'm happy to leave the OS be and do something productive in it :D
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