#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2013-05-22

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[0:01] <linuxstb> SpeedEvil: Ah, didn't realise that was a portable radio. I would be curious to know if you find a USB DAB radio that works with Linux though.
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[0:02] <lolbat> What file do I edit to make the rpi wget a file and start sshd at boot?
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[0:03] <chithead> that is distro specific
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[0:06] <lolbat> debian/ubuntu/some flavor of debian=
[0:06] <lolbat> ?
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[0:08] <linuxstb> lolbat: Well, sshd should start automatically if you've installed the package. In Raspbian it's there by default.
[0:09] <lolbat> linuxstb: it just says connection refused :/
[0:09] <lolbat> it worked the first time
[0:10] <linuxstb> Has the IP changed?
[0:10] <chithead> with update-rc.d you can control whether a service is started on boot
[0:10] <DDave> anyone using netbsd 6.1 now?
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[0:11] <Bushmills> of 7 billion people in the world? statistically, extremely likely
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[0:12] <lolbat> linuxstb: not as I am aware
[0:12] <lolbat> If I could get it back in I'd give it rpi.lolcat.no
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[0:22] <SpeedEvil> linuxstb: portable, waterproof and brick resistant
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[0:24] <linuxstb> SpeedEvil: Seems a shame to pull it apart
[0:26] <SpeedEvil> but one of mine has stopped booting.
[0:27] <SpeedEvil> and it lacks nice things.
[0:27] <SpeedEvil> like no internet radio
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[0:37] <burbankboy> So.. I was looking around for ideas on what I could potentially turn into a rPi computer, and then I found this really nice aluminum easter egg given to me by my boss.
[0:37] <burbankboy> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/40655128/eggkeyb.jpg
[0:37] <burbankboy> I recently ordered a 3,5" display. if I could fit it in there
[0:37] <burbankboy> itd make for a pretty awesome container :)
[0:38] <burbankboy> you think i could even fit rechargeable batteries in there too?
[0:38] <burbankboy> or is that overdoing it
[0:38] <Bushmills> those $4 acryl cases are doing just fine
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[0:38] <ozzzy> it needs to go in a big Altoids tin
[0:38] <linuxstb> Bushmills: Dull, but true - I have 5 ;)
[0:39] <Bushmills> nothing spectacular but functional
[0:40] <SpeedEvil> I wish non rectangular displays were available
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[0:40] <burbankboy> How careful will I have to be about going through with this since the egg is made of metal
[0:40] <burbankboy> do i have to coat the entire inside with something?
[0:40] <burbankboy> or can i just mount a plastic case in there?
[0:40] <Bushmills> try chocolate
[0:40] <burbankboy> or is that dangerous?
[0:41] <burbankboy> Bushmills: I considered doing a gingerbread house for christmas
[0:41] <SpeedEvil> just put in spacers so the board doesn't rock
[0:41] <burbankboy> that doubles as a pi comp with display
[0:41] <SpeedEvil> touch
[0:41] <burbankboy> SpeedEvil: you talking to me?
[0:41] <SpeedEvil> yes
[0:41] <burbankboy> ah
[0:41] <burbankboy> well, i mean, what if one of the hodlers broke
[0:41] <burbankboy> and the board came in contact with the inside
[0:41] <burbankboy> wouldnt that make the entire egg conductive?
[0:42] <SpeedEvil> a small spark.
[0:42] <burbankboy> hmm
[0:42] <SpeedEvil> no
[0:42] <SpeedEvil> but it may kill the pi
[0:42] <burbankboy> ok
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[0:46] <yebyen> Dagger2: still don't have it figured out, perl is the proper -rpi build, but I figured out that apt-get --reinstall install does not honor downgrades, you have to ask for them by version number... so I really need to know the exact package in order to fix it, and it wasn't either of the gettext packages.
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[0:51] <yebyen> maybe apt-get -t wheezy upgrade is what I need
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[0:56] <burbankboy> Is drilling through metal hard?
[0:56] <IanCormac> depends what kind of metal
[0:56] <IanCormac> aluminum? not really
[0:56] <IanCormac> carbon steel? yes
[0:56] <burbankboy> i guess aluminum or in
[0:57] <burbankboy> tin*
[0:57] <burbankboy> Do I need a drill? can i make a hole any other way?
[0:57] <IanCormac> Tin is very soft I think
[0:57] <burbankboy> yeah i can bend this
[0:57] <IanCormac> You need a drill or something more expensive
[0:57] <SpeedEvil> burbankboy: gun
[0:57] <IanCormac> Like a water or plasma cutter
[0:57] <burbankboy> So there's nothing available to me here that i could use to make a hole?
[0:57] <IanCormac> a gun will work, but leave a rough hole and cause spalling
[0:57] <burbankboy> can i do anything with heat?
[0:57] <IanCormac> Where are you?
[0:57] <burbankboy> and then a knife or something
[0:57] <SpeedEvil> burbankboy: for an Easter egg?
[0:57] <burbankboy> yeah, a tin easter egg
[0:57] <burbankboy> IanCormac: home
[0:57] <IanCormac> Well, go get a drill
[0:57] <burbankboy> I don't haev one
[0:57] <burbankboy> haev*
[0:57] <burbankboy> have*
[0:58] <SpeedEvil> you can likely poke a nail through it by hand
[0:58] <burbankboy> SpeedEvil: Good idea
[0:58] <burbankboy> I'm guessing the tin egg will block an inside wifi dongle?
[0:58] <SpeedEvil> back the point you do that with with something so you don't crumple it
[0:58] <burbankboy> if closed?
[0:58] <SpeedEvil> yes
[0:58] <burbankboy> k
[0:59] <burbankboy> and the micro usb cant transfer any information whatsoever?
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[1:00] <SpeedEvil> no
[1:00] <burbankboy> ok
[1:00] <SpeedEvil> it is just power
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[1:00] <burbankboy> Could I have a regular USB cable sticking out of the egg, and split it inside the egg
[1:00] <burbankboy> into usb + microusb
[1:00] <IanCormac> If you want to cut or drill some aluminum, get a bloody $20 drill
[1:00] <burbankboy> one for power and the other for data?
[1:01] <IanCormac> Or even better, a slightly more expensive Dremel tool
[1:01] <ComraDerpyPi> dremels are loud ouch
[1:01] <IanCormac> But they're amazing
[1:01] <IanCormac> I use mine for everything
[1:01] <ComraDerpyPi> modded an atx aluminum case once
[1:01] <IanCormac> Drilling, cutting, sanding, etc.
[1:01] <ComraDerpyPi> thought my wood worker neighbours were bad
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[1:02] <burbankboy> maybe i should install camera and wheels into this egg
[1:02] <burbankboy> have it crawl around
[1:02] <burbankboy> like eggs tend to do
[1:02] <ComraDerpyPi> wow. you have a real egg? :3
[1:02] <burbankboy> yep
[1:02] <burbankboy> a real, genuine
[1:02] <burbankboy> 100% authentic
[1:02] <burbankboy> tin egg.
[1:02] <ComraDerpyPi> whats an egg?
[1:02] <ComraDerpyPi> oh cool
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[1:03] <ComraDerpyPi> im being goofy. you know when you brush people the wrong way on social media :)
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[1:03] <burbankboy> :)
[1:04] <IanCormac> I may not have a faberge egg, but I do have this tin egg.
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[1:22] <yebyen> does anyone know what package might be responsible for Illegal instruction in perl -e 'use Debconf::Db;'
[1:22] <yebyen> I upgraded my packages to debian wheezy armhf (for ARMv7)
[1:22] <yebyen> now I can't get debconf to configure, or anything that uses /usr/share/debconf/frontend
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[1:23] <yebyen> and apt-get --reinstall install won't force-downgrade packages unless I'm ready to specify the version to be installed
[1:23] <yebyen> it's not perl, or any installed perl module,
[1:24] <yebyen> It might be one of these 21 packages... hmm
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[1:28] <yebyen> one that complains it cannot be downloaded because only downgrade is possible
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[1:36] <yebyen> I figured it out! No more illegal instructions from perl
[1:36] <yebyen> It was one of these packages, libpthread-stubs0, libtext-charwidth-perl, libalgorithm-diff-xs-perl
[1:37] <yebyen> they were all on the list of packages that would not downgrade without specifying the package manually
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[1:37] <yebyen> because the newer or equal version 'could not be downloaded' by --reinstall
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[1:38] <yebyen> dpkg --get-selections|cut -f 1|xargs sudo apt-get --reinstall install -ud 2>&1|grep 'it cannot be downloaded'|awk '{print $3}'
[1:38] <yebyen> gave me the hint i needed
[1:38] <yebyen> |grep perl, unless it was actually the pthreads library
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[1:40] <yebyen> Dagger2|Bushmills: I figured it out.
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[2:04] <yebyen> ... almost. still segfaults installing bash on postrm.
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[2:05] <ripzay> way
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[2:07] <yebyen> ripzay: no way
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[2:17] <yebyen> that segfault was the problem of /usr/bin/update-menus
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[2:28] <yebyen> sudo apt-get -f install completes with success now, I can apt-get upgrade and even install new packages again with no faults :D no more packages are listed as undownloadable due to dpkg reluctance to downgrade stuff. (crosses fingers, doing the last trick now)
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[2:36] <lolbat> all my pis ports are now closed
[2:36] <lolbat> wat is wrong?
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[2:37] <SpeedEvil> its unplugged?
[2:38] <yebyen> Bushmills: strace was the key, i only needed to learn to read what it was telling me, and listen to the perl use directives
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[2:39] <lolbat> SpeedEvil: no, shows up in the modem
[2:40] <y> lolbat: not sure about your router, but most don't refresh the dhcp table that they display to you very often, especially if you have long or permanent leases
[2:41] <y> lolbat: no ping response from it?
[2:41] <lolbat> y: it shows connected devices
[2:41] <lolbat> I get ping responses
[2:41] <y> what port should be open, that's not wokring?
[2:41] <y> working*
[2:41] <lolbat> 80, 22, 23 and 2222?
[2:41] <lolbat> ssh and http
[2:41] <y> and those are being refused or time out?
[2:42] <lolbat> it started working
[2:42] <y> did you just start it up? note that the sd card is very slow, and it'll come online and then take a bit before the sshd is fully up and going, in my experience
[2:42] <lolbat> hmm
[2:43] <lolbat> fancy
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[2:47] <lolbat> y: do you know an afraid.org client that is good for rasberrypi?
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[2:48] <y> lolbat: if you go on their website there's a url you can simply curl
[2:48] <y> put that in a daily cron job or what have you and it'll update your ip if it's changed
[2:49] <lolbat> On my fileserver I have a 15 minute update
[2:50] <y> a simple cron job will work just as well on the pi
[2:53] <lolbat> I think I have the bad pi :/
[2:53] <y> why do you think that, lolbat ?
[2:53] <lolbat> it only has 183MB ram
[2:53] <y> lolbat: where are you getting that info?
[2:53] <yebyen> some is shared with video
[2:53] <lolbat> free -h and htop
[2:54] <lolbat> Shouldnt it be 512MB?
[2:54] <y> as yebyen said, it's probably the default 256-265 split with video right now
[2:54] <yebyen> or allocated exclusively to video
[2:54] <y> lolbat: run raspi-config
[2:54] <y> change it to 64mb for the video split
[2:55] <y> and note that that 183mb is probably 'free' ram, meaning 183/265MB, which sounds about fine depending on what you're doing
[2:55] <lolbat> free -h displays total ram
[2:56] <y> did you set the split to be 64mb for video?
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[2:56] <yebyen> if you have the model A, with 73mb for video, 183 sounds right
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[2:56] <yebyen> i don't know how you would get 73mb for video
[2:56] <lolbat> But still, it only has 256mb ram
[2:56] <lolbat> so it is the bad one?
[2:57] <y> lolbat: model A or B?
[2:57] <yebyen> rev 1 = model A
[2:57] <lolbat> I donno, I borrowed it from some guy down at the pub
[2:57] <y> sounds like a model A
[2:57] <yebyen> it might say on the board
[2:57] <lolbat> We were both wasted
[2:57] <yebyen> tell him he ripped you off, now he's gotta buy you drinks
[2:57] <lolbat> Doesn't say much usefull
[2:58] <pksato> no. rev 1 is not model A.
[2:58] <yebyen> no? i did not know that
[2:58] <lolbat> yebyen: I just borrowed it, I can always return it to him
[2:58] <pksato> all model A are rev 1 board, with 256MB of ram and one usb port no ethernet.
[2:58] <yebyen> lolbat: not unless free drinks
[2:58] <pksato> ops
[2:58] <pksato> all model A are rev 2 board, with 256MB of ram and one usb port no ethernet.
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[2:59] <lolbat> Isn't there a 512MB ram pi?
[2:59] <pksato> if board dont have mount holes, it is a rev1 board, model B with 256MB.
[2:59] <lolbat> it has two holes
[2:59] <pksato> if have holes, is a model B, rev 2 with 512MB of ram.
[3:00] <lolbat> there it went up to 215M
[3:00] <pksato> holes, two usb and ethernet = model B
[3:00] <lolbat> where is the other 256M hiding?
[3:00] <pksato> holes, one usb, no ethernet = model A
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[3:00] <pksato> no holes = model B with 256MB, early rev 1.
[3:01] <pksato> lolbat: updated firmware? (OS sd image)
[3:01] <lolbat> no idea
[3:02] <lolbat> Installed it while drunk. Next day I woke up to realize I first wrote the pi image to /dev/sda
[3:02] <lolbat> so my ubuntu was pretty b0rked
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[3:03] <laumars> lol
[3:03] <laumars> being drunk in charge of the command line is always dangerous
[3:04] <yebyen> so, there's no raspbian tracking sid, huh
[3:04] <pksato> grep gpu_mem_512 /boot/config.txt && echo "Yes, I have a updated firmware"
[3:06] <pksato> but, I not sure if words gpu_mem_512 is on default config.txt.
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[3:10] <lolbat> so how do I setup a 1 minute curl to get an url?
[3:11] <yebyen> you mean cron * * * * *?
[3:11] <yebyen> don't do that, it's horrible
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[3:13] <pksato> for system wide crontab */1 * * * * root /path/program
[3:13] <yebyen> write something that doesn't HTTP GET unless its address has changed
[3:13] <pksato> for, user remove root (or other username)
[3:13] <pksato> and use crontab -e to set.
[3:15] <lolbat> what is the best way?
[3:15] <pksato> no difference.
[3:15] <yebyen> i would keep your address in a file and check the address you get against the stored one
[3:16] <yebyen> before sending out a GET every minute
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[3:16] <yebyen> unless you're knocking on your own server, then who cares if it's mildly abusive
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[3:20] <setkeh> Hey Guys i have just bought a new 5V 2A PSU for my rpi (had it running off a 5V 700MA phone charger before) when i plug the new charger in power light come on and sometimes ok light come on for a sec then turns off some times it doesent come on at all (same thing happens with old charger) im getting around 4.90 -> 5.10V on the TP's depending on whats plugged in Any Idea's ??
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[3:23] <lolbat> I just want a simple way to do this so I can give it internets
[3:23] <yebyen> I would suggest if your IP is changing more than once every 15 minutes, something is wrong
[3:23] <yebyen> */15 * * * * would be ok
[3:24] <ozzzy> draft of my little project ---> http://www.togastro.com/ozzzy/piintervalometer.pdf
[3:24] <lolbat> that would make me have to wait for 15 minutes after plugging it in, no?
[3:24] <yebyen> you probably never would see it down
[3:24] <yebyen> lolbat: you can also add it to /etc/rc.local so it runs on boot
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[3:25] <yebyen> then probably 0 * * * * would be enough, up to 1 hour of downtime if your IP changes without a reboot
[3:25] <yebyen> which probably never happens
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[3:28] <lolbat> yebyen: I did it another way
[3:29] <lolbat> I did 25 connections, joined ##Lolcat and now I just disconnect, reconnect, and they should too
[3:29] <lolbat> right?
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[3:37] <yebyen> lolbat: dunno, if it works for you
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[3:51] <two_six_four_fiv> So I bought this (http://www.microcenter.com/endeca/zoom.aspx?src=402492_035196_01_front_comping-jpg) and I was expecting the case to look like this (http://blog.makezine.com/projects/raspberry-pi-enclosure-v2-assembly/) but it actually looks like this (http://i.imgur.com/Tsqj8Fb.jpg).
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[3:51] <two_six_four_fiv> Am I supposed to sand paper it?
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[3:56] <UnaClocker> Doh..
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[3:56] <UnaClocker> Gotta wait more than 2 minutes for an answer on IRC.. I hope he figured it out.
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[4:02] <burbankboy> Is it possible to disable raspbians automatic screen blanking
[4:02] <burbankboy> without changing any manual settings
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[4:03] <UnaClocker> burbankboy: I wish.. Drives me nuts, I've tried a dozen different suggestions I found on google.
[4:03] <burbankboy> ugh
[4:03] <burbankboy> thats awful
[4:03] <UnaClocker> Yeah it is.
[4:03] <burbankboy> i mean, this is something that most likely everyone's gonna need
[4:03] <burbankboy> cant i run some kind of script
[4:03] <burbankboy> that just keeps it alive?
[4:03] <setkeh> Hey Guys i have just bought a new 5V 2A PSU for my rpi (had it running off a 5V 700MA phone charger before) when i plug the new charger in power light come on and sometimes ok light come on for a sec then turns off some times it doesent come on at all (same thing happens with old charger) im getting around 4.90 -> 5.10V on the TP's depending on whats plugged in Any Idea's ??
[4:04] <UnaClocker> Yeah, you could fake a key press, I could do that with an Arduino.. I hadn't gone that route..
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[4:09] <burbankboy> UnaClocker: cant i do that with software?
[4:10] <UnaClocker> Yeah, I just don't know how.
[4:10] <burbankboy> heh
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[4:12] <steve_rox> havin fun?
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[4:15] <steve_rox> UnaClocker , you done anything interesting with that 512 model A ? :-)
[4:18] <burbankboy> Can someone please tell me how to emulate a key input using a script? Because I'd really like to prevent the screen darkening from frequently happening on my pi :(
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[4:19] <ShiftPlusOne> burbankboy, you could try xdotool, but I am not sure if that will work the way you want it to.
[4:19] <lolbat> I need a java package to run x11 forwarding of java apps
[4:19] <lolbat> which one?
[4:19] <pksato> why? "setterm -powersave off -blank 0 not work for you?
[4:19] <burbankboy> pksato: where do i input that?
[4:19] <pksato> on any open console terminal.
[4:19] <burbankboy> well, where wuold that write to? :(
[4:19] <pksato> not on gui (x11, lxde)
[4:20] <ShiftPlusOne> O_o
[4:20] <burbankboy> not on gui?
[4:20] <setkeh> there is a way to make X stop doing it
[4:20] <setkeh> http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/2059/disable-screen-blanking-in-x-windows-on-raspbian
[4:20] <pksato> on gui. use xset dpms off (or some else)
[4:20] <burbankboy> already read that
[4:20] <burbankboy> dont understand a word of it
[4:21] <setkeh> just follow the instructions in the first repoly
[4:21] <setkeh> reply*
[4:21] <setkeh> add this
[4:21] <setkeh> xset s off # don't activate screensaver
[4:21] <setkeh> xset -dpms # disable DPMS (Energy Star) features.
[4:21] <setkeh> xset s noblank # don't blank the video device
[4:22] <setkeh> to the bottom of /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc
[4:22] <burbankboy> ok
[4:22] <setkeh> then reboot or restart X
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[4:23] <pksato> no need to reboot, just type also on some xterm. lxterm.
[4:23] <setkeh> pksato: yeah that works too :P
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[4:25] <pksato> and, put on cmdline.txt consoleblank=0
[4:25] <burbankboy> um
[4:25] <burbankboy> sorry
[4:25] <burbankboy> but im super confused
[4:25] <burbankboy> what specifically am i supposed to do again
[4:25] <setkeh> burbankboy: just add thoes lines to that file
[4:25] <burbankboy> ok
[4:25] <setkeh> then restart you pi
[4:26] <ShiftPlusOne> burbankboy, do you know how to edit files?
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[4:26] <setkeh> thats the simpelest way to explain it
[4:26] <pksato> or sudo echo 0 >/sys/module/kernel/parameters/consoleblank
[4:26] <setkeh> pksato: is that persistant ??
[4:26] <pksato> no
[4:27] <burbankboy> ShiftPlusOne: yeah i do
[4:27] <setkeh> can add to rc.local i guess :D
[4:27] <burbankboy> I just get really confused when seemingly simple instructions are follwoed by
[4:27] <burbankboy> a bunch of ambiguous comments
[4:27] <burbankboy> that arent as specific
[4:27] <burbankboy> but yeah, gotcha. thanks
[4:27] <burbankboy> oh hey, by the way, can the ethernet port be used for anything but networking?
[4:27] <burbankboy> because i dont have any use for it
[4:28] <setkeh> burbankboy: well the istructions were to also paste thoes into lxterm so you dont have to reboot but just reboot the pi its much easyer to explain that way
[4:28] <burbankboy> setkeh: im not blaming anyone
[4:28] <burbankboy> im thankful for this help
[4:28] <ShiftPlusOne> burbankboy, that's just people talking to each other about other ways of doing it or just making general comments about it. Not entirely helpful for beginners, but as you learn more, it's handy to know other ways of doing things.
[4:28] <burbankboy> dont worry :)
[4:28] <burbankboy> well whatevs
[4:28] <burbankboy> ill give it a go
[4:28] <setkeh> good luck :D
[4:28] <burbankboy> Hmm.. the last comment suggested installing XScreenSaver instead
[4:28] <burbankboy> whcih has a GUI
[4:28] <burbankboy> seems like a better way maybe?
[4:28] <setkeh> naw
[4:29] <setkeh> dont bloat if you dont need too
[4:29] <burbankboy> Also, it has screen locking
[4:29] <burbankboy> whcih i need!
[4:29] <burbankboy> i dont think its bloating :/
[4:29] <burbankboy> its important IMO
[4:29] <setkeh> then off you go :D
[4:29] <burbankboy> to have a good GUI for managing this kinda stuff
[4:29] <burbankboy> well
[4:29] <burbankboy> im just wondering if itll work :p
[4:29] <burbankboy> Hey, I'm gonna buy some more Pis today
[4:29] <setkeh> if you can use it for somthing other then disabling screen dimming the its worth it :P
[4:29] <burbankboy> is Model A superior to B in any way?
[4:30] <burbankboy> can it be powered more easily?
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[4:30] <burbankboy> setkeh: locking :)
[4:30] <burbankboy> after a certain amount of time
[4:30] <burbankboy> which is good because im using my pi to display sensitive data
[4:30] <setkeh> yeah :D i know how it works :D just not nessisary for me :P
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[4:31] <burbankboy> ok
[4:32] <burbankboy> "Can't really investigate this now, but you should be able to write to the files in /dev/input/ to feed events into the input streams."
[4:32] <burbankboy> WAIT
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[4:32] <burbankboy> is this how linux works?
[4:32] <burbankboy> are you just "writing" to these directories?
[4:32] <burbankboy> is that how everything is done?
[4:32] <ShiftPlusOne> burbankboy, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everything_is_a_file
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[4:33] <setkeh> Hey Guys i have just bought a new 5V 2A PSU for my rpi (had it running off a 5V 700MA phone charger before) when i plug the new charger in power light come on and sometimes ok light come on for a sec then turns off some times it doesent come on at all (same thing happens with old charger) im getting around 4.90 -> 5.10V on the TP's depending on whats plugged in Any Idea's ??
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[4:33] <burbankboy> ShiftPlusOne: Suddenly I understand a lot of things.
[4:33] <burbankboy> And Linux suddenly became fun.
[4:33] <burbankboy> Woohoo
[4:34] <setkeh> linux is easy once you grab a grasp of the basics :P
[4:35] <yebyen> yeah, you'll be awk'ing seds and grep your /dev/null in no time
[4:35] <setkeh> lmfao
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[4:39] <burbankboy> :)
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[4:42] <steve_rox> then it drives you mad :-)
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[4:54] <chaotix> hi... i am using raspbian squeeze, and a few days ago i installed apache, ssh, mysql, and zoneminder... everything was fine for a few days, however, after being unable to ssh into it, i hooked it u p to my tv and found that i get "network is unreachable"
[4:55] <chaotix> i googled around a bit, but the fix i found that helped a user of raspbian 5 did not help me
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[4:56] <Grievre> chaotix: Is the network interface being enabled and DHCP'd properly?
[4:56] <Grievre> chaotix: in my experience if raspbian loses network connectivity it often doesn't come back
[4:56] <chaotix> how should i check that
[4:56] <burbankboy> So
[4:56] <burbankboy> Is Model A superior in any way?
[4:56] <burbankboy> Is it easier to power?
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[4:57] <ShiftPlusOne> burbankboy, it's identical, except for the differences you already know of O_o
[4:57] <ShiftPlusOne> the advantages are that it's cheaper and uses less power
[4:57] <chaotix> is there some command i can enter to see if the network interface being enabled and DHCP'd properly?
[4:58] <burbankboy> ShiftPlusOne: Well, could I power it with weaker usb ports?
[4:59] <ShiftPlusOne> burbankboy, it will still need 5v, but since it uses less power, it will draw less current. So if I understand you question correctly, yes.
[4:59] <chaotix> Grievre, any reason why it would lose conectivity?
[5:00] <burbankboy> alright
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[5:01] <Grievre> chaotix: *shrug*
[5:01] <Grievre> chaotix: from the pi console, do ifconfig -a?
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[5:03] <chaotix> i wish i could pastebin something back
[5:03] <chaotix> sorry for my newb status
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[5:03] <chaotix> i may just reinstall
[5:04] <chaotix> any advantage to using wheezy over squeeze?
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[6:18] <overrider> I cannot get any sound to work on my archlinux raspberry pi - any special modules i need to load or steps to perform after a standard install? http://www.pastebin.ca/2379747 here my lsmod | grep snd output
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[6:37] <setkeh> has any opne got one of these to work with the rpi http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/130731639116?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649 i have tried changing hdmi to safe mode and upping the hdmi boost and the screen is definatly getting a signal but no console
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[6:45] <setkeh> nvm i got it working
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[6:45] <setkeh> :D
[6:45] <alpharender> Hi. I have raspbmc working, the interface is kinda sluggish� I'm using a $4 sd card from the bargin bin (entec?) would a class10 card serve any better performance?
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[6:46] <alpharender> interesting the ui slugs between commands but audio never does� which is most important
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[6:47] <setkeh> yes it would :D
[6:47] <alpharender> a class10 card would help with sluggish UI?
[6:47] <setkeh> also check to make sure your powersupply is providing enough power
[6:48] <alpharender> it is.. its a samsung cell charger and I checked P1 and P2 jic
[6:48] <setkeh> alpharender: it can do it has much higher I/O Speeds
[6:48] <setkeh> alpharender: whats the specs on the charger
[6:48] <alpharender> great!
[6:48] <alpharender> mmm 5v 1A iirc
[6:49] <setkeh> and do you have more then a mouse or keyboard plugged in ??
[6:49] <setkeh> well besides hdmi ofc XD
[6:49] <alpharender> I'm using CDC atm
[6:49] <alpharender> the tv remote
[6:50] <setkeh> ahh then afaik you should be golden :D
[6:50] <alpharender> so.. no mouse or keyboard
[6:50] <alpharender> yeah! :)
[6:50] <setkeh> try a new sd and see how you go :D
[6:51] <alpharender> will do for sure I have a class 10 sandisk just haven't had the urge to open the package yet :)
[6:51] <setkeh> hehe :D
[6:51] <alpharender> ugh I wish manufactures would stop making their own crappy tv software� they make TVs not software
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[6:52] <alpharender> the lg smart tv software is horrible
[6:54] <Xark> alpharender: I like the Samsung TVs where you can get a Linux prompt. :)
[6:54] <setkeh> i want one that can do that XD
[6:54] <alpharender> wow really? so can you flash xmbc directly?
[6:56] <Xark> alpharender: You can run some things, but I don't think XBMC...
[6:57] * Xark updated his Samsung with a USB flash drive and a custom image (gave my TV 1:1 1080x1920 support like for computers etc. - previously always scaled a bit)
[6:58] <alpharender> thats nice its somewhat standard stuff
[6:59] * Xark links http://samygo.tv/ (Samsung unofficial firmware site) Looks like some kind of media player...
[7:05] <setkeh> hey guys how do i fix https://gist.github.com/setkeh/5625347
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[8:01] <Jck_true> setkeh: Corrupt status file... rename /var/lib/dpkg/status to /var/lib/dpkg/status_old and update again :)
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[8:09] <setkeh> Jck_true: yeah dident work i just went back to the archlinux image XD
[8:09] <setkeh> thnx tho
[8:09] <Jck_true> setkeh: Weird :|
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[8:12] <Jck_true> Is there any C&C servers for my raspberry i can used to create a botnet with?
[8:13] <setkeh> Jck_true: C&C ??
[8:13] <Jck_true> Command and Control server :P - And don't worry it's just a joke
[8:14] <setkeh> lol well i dont know about command and control but distcc is badass for clustering XD
[8:15] <setkeh> i wanna fill me up a 24port switch and cluster 24 Rpi's as a server :P
[8:16] <mike_t> setkeh, clusterssh ?
[8:16] <Jck_true> Which would still be alot slower than just buying some decent atom boards :P Or an i7 powerhouse :D
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[8:16] <Xark> setkeh: Main thing you need are some RGB LEDs. :)
[8:17] <mike_t> setkeh, for IPC between nodes you can use MPI
[8:20] <setkeh> heh i was going on the power consumtion
[8:20] <setkeh> :P
[8:20] <setkeh> that and the glory of having 24 Rpi's working together XD
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[8:21] <Jck_true> 24pi X 5W = 100W :P
[8:24] <setkeh> yep :D
[8:24] <setkeh> my workstation pulls 400 at idle XD
[8:24] * Jck_true is setting up a new Acer laptop... Lets review the software...Acer Backup manager, Acer Crustal Eye Webcam, Acer ePower Management, Acer eRecoery Management, Acer Games, Acer Instant Update Service, Acer Registration, Acer Update, Acer Screensavers -
[8:24] <ParkerR> setkeh, Are you the RPi cluster guy?
[8:25] <ParkerR> Jck_true, That's why you install linux first thing and remove Windows :P
[8:25] <setkeh> ParkerR: nope i only have one atm :P
[8:25] <ParkerR> Ahh
[8:25] <ParkerR> Heh
[8:26] <setkeh> i wanna make a cluster of them though :D
[8:26] <Jck_true> What the hell is the difference between "Acer Update" and "Acer Instant Update Service"
[8:26] <ParkerR> Instant and service
[8:26] <ParkerR> Apparently
[8:27] * ParkerR hugs his Acer C7 for being linux only from the get-go
[8:27] <setkeh> yeah whenever i buy a laptop windows come stright off
[8:28] <Jck_true> I'm not sure what I'll do :( - My XP support is running out :(
[8:28] <setkeh> Archlinux / Gentoo FTW
[8:28] <ParkerR> Or a minimal debian install
[8:29] <Jck_true> debian for servers, fedora kde for desktops...
[8:29] <ParkerR> I'm going to pretend like you didn't just say the K word
[8:29] <setkeh> hahaha
[8:30] <ParkerR> Dang he dropped an F bomb and the K word
[8:30] <setkeh> XD
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[8:32] <ParkerR> I used Fedora for a bit. Wasn't too bad but I have been with debian for so long it just always felt weird. From LVM to the RPM package management. Never quite felt at home.
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[8:35] <Jck_true> I don't really suppose I could switch to Fedora full time anyway - I use it like 5% of the time and then 95% in WinXP
[8:36] <Jck_true> And all of my linux experience is with debian headless servers
[8:36] <setkeh> i dont have windows on any of my PC's XD
[8:36] <ParkerR> Even now I can never quite get situated. I'm always trying some WM or another. Some OS or antoher. Last time I felt truly at home was Ubuntu 10.04. The last good version before they too became crappy
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[8:37] <Jck_true> ParkerR: Crunchbang? Debian + OpenBox
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[8:38] <ParkerR> Used that for a bit too. Lost interest at that when I realized I could go more minimal with a netinstall
[8:39] <nerdboy> got a decent lightweight yocto image built => http://www.gentoogeek.org/steves_world/raspberrypi_mpd_image_html
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[8:41] <ParkerR> I guess my main issue with any linux install is: no matter what I try it never feels as polished as Windows (polished tued hehe). I grew up with DOS and 95/98 and moved onto XP. Skipped Vista (thankfully), and then went to Windows 7 around 2009. Started with linux around 2007'ish
[8:41] <ParkerR> *(polished turd hehe)
[8:42] <nerdboy> gonna be my car mp3 player...
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[8:53] <setkeh> whats the manual way of expanding the image size ?? somthing like delete the partition in cfdisk and remake it or somthing like that
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[9:00] <Jck_true> In general electrical resistance drops with higher temperature right?
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[9:04] <setkeh> in general
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[9:18] <tman12321> In general, electrical resistance increases with an increase in temperature for metals.
[9:20] <tman12321> What setkeh said is wrong.
[9:22] <Grievre> Jck_true: If what you said were true then light bulbs wouldn't work
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[9:23] <Triffid_Hunter> well, they'd work very briefly
[9:24] <Jck_true> tman12321: Hmm superconductors requires cooling - I kinda believe you
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[9:25] <tman12321> Superconductors are totally different from classical metals.
[9:25] <Grievre> Jck_true: if T is the temperature of your light bulb filament, then dT/dt = (V^2)/R - A*T - B
[9:25] <Grievre> Jck_true: If R decreased as T increased, then T would just keep going up up up up....
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[9:26] <Jck_true> make sense - I just figured as temperature increased atoms would "wiggle" more and that would allow electrons to flow more freely
[9:27] <Grievre> Jck_true: But since R increases as T increases, it eventually reaches an equilibrium point--where the energy coming in via electricity is coming in at the same rate that it's leaving via radiation
[9:27] <Jck_true> (As in chemical reactions mostly preforming faster at higher temperature)
[9:27] <tman12321> Jck_true, you are thinking along the correct lines, but you need to be careful.
[9:27] <tman12321> Metals are different from semiconductors.
[9:28] <tman12321> In metals, the number of electrons (the carrier density) makes the "wiggling" impede the flow of electrons: there are too many.
[9:28] <tman12321> In semiconductors, the increase in temperature excites more carriers, and the resistivity drops.
[9:28] <tman12321> Look up temperature coefficient of resitivity on wikipedia.
[9:28] <Triffid_Hunter> umm nope heat increases resistance in semiconductors too
[9:29] <Triffid_Hunter> it does however tend to reduce voltage drops since the thermal energy throws more electrons over the threshold
[9:29] <tman12321> I really depends what semiconductors you are talking about, and in what temperature regimes.
[9:30] <tman12321> Increasing temperature increases the number of electrons that are able to conduct.
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[9:31] <tman12321> Electrons obey Fermi-Dirac statistics, this is what governs the number of electrons available above the Fermi Energy dependent on temperature.
[9:33] <Jck_true> Hmm - Guess I'll ditch my idea about pointing a halogen spotlight at my freezer to save electricity then...
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[9:35] <Grievre> Triffid_Hunter: intrinsic silicon has a resistance which climbs with temperature and then drops again at ~160 C
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[10:18] <setkeh> lol
[10:18] <setkeh> oppa
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[10:36] <burbankboy> Hi. I got "Unhandled Lockdown error" when i tried to charge my iPhone through my pi
[10:36] <burbankboy> any ideas?
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[10:39] <mike_t> burbankboy, bad idea. Pi can only handle 100mA per USB slot.
[10:40] <burbankboy> mike_t: alright thx
[10:41] <jelly1> yup
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[11:09] <bts__> do you consider analogue switch capable of changing its state with about 200hz?
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[11:50] <gordonDrogon> morning pi pops.
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[12:00] <gjoseph> hey gordonDrogon
[12:00] <gordonDrogon> What Ho!
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[12:03] <burbankboy> so i found a tiny old handheld media player
[12:04] <burbankboy> is the process of extracting its screen exremely complex?
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[12:06] <burbankboy> extremely*
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[12:55] <gordonDrogon> depends on whether you want it in one piece or not. Hammers are effective at extracting things, but ...
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[12:57] <ozzzy> extremely effective
[12:58] <setkeh> i need a button
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[13:01] <evilsk4ter> setkeh take it http://bushwarriors.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/3d-red-button.jpg
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[13:02] <gordonDrogon> that's a big red button :)
[13:05] <setkeh> ok now i need to make it cycle through tmux windows XD
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[13:59] <gordonDrogon> Hm. apt-get update/upgrade is taking some time - on a very old SD card I had lying about... still, good little stress test for the poor little Pi!
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[14:00] <setkeh> i have a 32GB Class4 in my pi atm and its kicking ass :D i would love to see what happens with a class10 XD
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[14:04] <gordonDrogon> you might want to start googling - and you'll find that the answer is: not a lot.
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[14:04] <setkeh> orly thats surprising
[14:04] <gordonDrogon> (when I said very old above, I actually meant a very old, relatively speaking, install of Raspbian)
[14:05] <setkeh> i figured the class10 would give a rather large boost
[14:05] <setkeh> ahh i see :D
[14:05] <gordonDrogon> you're not going to see transfers much over 20MB/sec - which is what I see on my sandisk c6's.
[14:05] <gordonDrogon> random access & writing might be a little faster though.
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[14:06] <gordonDrogon> try this on your current one: sudo hdparm -t /dev/mmcblk0
[14:06] <setkeh> too bad the Rpi doesent have USB3.0 i have 4 16GB USB3.0 sticks and a specially sesigned USB 3.0 4 port hub would be awesome to rain and stick on the rpi
[14:06] <setkeh> ok :D
[14:06] <gordonDrogon> too bad...
[14:07] <gordonDrogon> there are 100's of "too bad" things about the Pi, but the Pi is the Pi and that's what it is. For $35 it's great.
[14:08] <setkeh> oh yeah no dispute there :D
[14:08] <setkeh> im loving it
[14:08] <setkeh> im about to hook up 10FPGA's to mine and use it for bitcoin mining
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[14:08] <setkeh> just waiting on the FPGA's to show up
[14:08] <gordonDrogon> er... :)
[14:09] <gordonDrogon> how are you communicating to the FPGAs?
[14:09] <setkeh> powered 10 port USB hub
[14:09] <setkeh> Timing buffered disk reads: 54 MB in 3.05 seconds = 17.69 MB/sec
[14:09] <gordonDrogon> right, so USB.. serial or something else?
[14:09] <setkeh> ^ that was with my biotcoin tradebot running (Lots of random IO)
[14:10] <gordonDrogon> Timing buffered disk reads: 60 MB in 3.01 seconds = 19.94 MB/sec (Sandisk class 6)
[14:10] <setkeh> gordonDrogon: oh yeah sorry USB Serial
[14:10] <gordonDrogon> ok. just curious.
[14:10] <setkeh> 10FPGA's = 300W Rpi=10W Total = 310W nice and cheep to run :D
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[14:13] <quaisi> hi - electronics newbie - i have a m/m jump wire can I wrap an end around a gpio pin and then put other end onto a breadboard - will that work or do I need to buy m/f jump wire
[14:13] <Hoerie> you'd probably want to be very careful not to touch another pin and accidently short things
[14:14] <dreamreal> buy some m/f - they're not expensive. Or buy a cable.
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[14:14] <gordonDrogon> Yup. the risks are too high with just wrapping wire.
[14:14] <quaisi> thanks both - when you say "cable" what kind do you mean?
[14:14] <SpeedEvil> or a soldering iron
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[14:15] <gordonDrogon> actually, they're square pins, so a proper wire-wrap tool + wire would be fine, but I suspect you don't have that. It's gone somewhat out of fashion...
[14:15] <setkeh> you could use something like
[14:15] <Hoerie> probably you could stick an ide cable on to it?
[14:15] <setkeh> http://www.adafruit.com/products/862
[14:16] <quaisi> thanks
[14:16] <setkeh> its allot safe if you just sticking single strand wire to the pins (you still need to be very carefull though)
[14:17] <gordonDrogon> setkeh, it's not safe at all. tell me - what pin is right next to the 3.3v pin ?
[14:17] <gordonDrogon> and what happens if you short the 2 together...
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[14:18] <Hoerie> magic smoke ;-)
[14:18] <setkeh> gordonDrogon: its safer to use that ribon cable from adafruit much harder to accidently short 2 pins
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[14:19] <Hoerie> that adafruit cable looks suspiciously like an ide cable
[14:19] <setkeh> Hoerie: well bassicly it is but the right size for the rpi XD
[14:20] <Hoerie> I guess some fun with an x-acto knife could get you there quite quickly
[14:20] <setkeh> heathkid|2: no doubt :D
[14:20] <setkeh> srry
[14:20] <setkeh> tab pwnt
[14:21] <Hoerie> at least that kind of left-over stuff will work as opposed to a lot of power supplies ;-)
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[14:21] <setkeh> i got my new power supply today :D rpi runs much much better :P
[14:22] <gordonDrogon> I use a variety of cables, the the last thing I'll do is twist single-strand cables round a pin.
[14:22] <setkeh> gordonDrogon: i wouldent either
[14:23] <setkeh> how do i check the amp draw on the pi ?? do i need somthing on the wall ??
[14:24] <gordonDrogon> something on the wall might work, but they're usually not accurate at very low powers.
[14:24] <gordonDrogon> in-lime ammeter on the usb power lead will be more accurate, but it won't cope with the losses in the PSU.
[14:24] <setkeh> hmm
[14:25] <gjoseph> i'm probably missing something obvious, but where's my rpi-update ? http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/4355/do-i-still-need-rpi-update-if-i-am-using-the-latest-version-of-raspbian mentions it should be in raspbian by default ?
[14:25] <SpeedEvil> setkeh: in general, 300ma or so idle, 500ma or so flat out
[14:26] <quaisi> thanks - ok off to amazon then for some m/f wires...
[14:26] <setkeh> SpeedEvil: lol i have a 7Port USB Hub a 10 Port usb Hub hdmi rca and headphones plugged in board is flat knacker
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[14:26] <SpeedEvil> powered hubs - no problem
[14:27] <setkeh> power drops down to about 4.96V running everything
[14:27] <setkeh> i forgot to mention ethernet XD
[14:27] <quaisi> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[14:27] <setkeh> quaisi: ??
[14:27] <Darkwell> how about running 2 pies ?
[14:28] <setkeh> Darkwell: how about it ??
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[14:28] <Darkwell> any recommentations of power supplies ?
[14:28] <quaisi> sorry - to check and install the latest raspbian
[14:28] <Darkwell> 2A on 5 v ?
[14:28] <nid0> any power supply that's not awful
[14:29] <bortzmeyer> Darkwell: most power supplies are awful. And most SD cards are brittle :-(
[14:29] <Darkwell> i got my other pi today , but didnt buy any poser suply
[14:29] <Darkwell> power supply
[14:29] <setkeh> ahh not sure im using one of thease for my Rpi http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/251268875216?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649
[14:29] <gjoseph> quaisi: was that for me ? that won't update the firmware, will it ?
[14:30] <nid0> setkeh: fwiw, the info given on that ebay page about the pi's power draw is total drivel
[14:30] <nid0> so not sure i'd trust the actual product in the least
[14:30] <Hoerie> gjoseph it will update rpi-uupdate though
[14:30] <setkeh> nid0: yes it is but its a good power supply :P
[14:30] <setkeh> i dident get it based off the article XD
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[14:31] <quaisi> sorry no - just to get the latest raspbian version
[14:31] <setkeh> i got it because i wassent sure what i needed and i figured 2A should cover it
[14:31] <Hoerie> lol at the aussie xenophobia in the ebay linl
[14:31] <Hoerie> *link
[14:31] <nid0> well, its generally a reasonable assumption that sellers lying in their product info are often lying about the product too
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[14:32] <Hoerie> the power supply in the video isn't the same as the one in the images
[14:33] <setkeh> well i wouldent say that lol but yes every now and again you do get a seller that plays on peoples lack of knoledge
[14:33] <setkeh> Hoerie: yeah it is
[14:33] <setkeh> oh i see
[14:34] <setkeh> you mean the micro USB end XD
[14:34] <Hoerie> diferent model number and the one has a 3 prong plug whereas the other is 2
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[14:34] <setkeh> heh yeah i got the 3 pronged one
[14:34] <Hoerie> i.e. you are getting whatever came shipped from china
[14:35] <setkeh> heh probably
[14:35] <setkeh> still a good PSU for now
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[14:35] <gjoseph> Hoerie: but i don't *have* rpi-update afaict
[14:35] <gjoseph> (also - how to know which version of the firmware i'm running?)
[14:36] <Hoerie> can't you apt-get it then?
[14:36] <Hoerie> https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-update
[14:37] <Hoerie> caveat emptor of course
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[14:47] <gjoseph> Hoerie: guess i could, but i was hoping for an "official" way - Hexxeh maintains his own copies of the FW i believe
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[14:48] <ukscone> gjoseph: /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd version for fw version
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[14:49] <gjoseph> ukscone: thanks!
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[14:50] <gjoseph> hmmm May 17 2013 14:41:27
[14:50] <gjoseph> that seems fairly recent :D
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[14:54] <quaisi> for the firmware version I found this on the interwebs - sudo /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd version
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[14:54] <quaisi> and just realised I've been beaten to it above .....
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[14:57] <gjoseph> cheers quaisi
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[15:01] <quaisi> :)
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[15:16] <teff> anyway to force a reboot of the pi running debian over ssh when the file systems corrupts, so much so that anything not core to bash causes a seg fault? :D
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[15:17] <gordonDrogon> teff, what? You want to know how to do that, or ?
[15:18] <kaste> yes teff echo 1 > /proc/sys/kernel/sysrq and echo b > /proc/sysrq-trigger
[15:18] <kaste> but that's a nono :p
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[15:18] <teff> i thought as much
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[15:19] <teff> new sd card needed I think
[15:19] <gordonDrogon> you can force a halt when Linux detects FS corruption.
[15:19] <gordonDrogon> look at the errors=panic option in /etc/fstab
[15:19] <kaste> well it's ok, usually you should sync first but since your FS is already fucked it doesn't matter
[15:19] <gordonDrogon> or you can fix it with tune2fs ...
[15:20] <gordonDrogon> kaste, family friendly channel - please (re) read the rules!
[15:20] <teff> but without sudo I'm stuck anyway
[15:21] <gjoseph> soooo ... my midori (or chromium, or luakit) still seg fault and i have no idea why. I'll take any and all hint
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[15:22] <kaste> teff: tried ssh key based auth?
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[15:23] <teff> kaste: Im logged into it using ssh key based auth
[15:23] <kaste> well i meant do you have a root ssh key
[15:23] <teff> incidentally password auth fails because the shadow file is inaccessible
[15:23] <teff> hah
[15:23] <teff> root login forbidden over ssh
[15:23] <kaste> i guess you can't edit the sshd.conf
[15:24] <kaste> Please tell me you aren't physically near that pi and this isn't just mental masturbation
[15:24] <kaste> If you can just rip out the cord that would be easiest
[15:24] <teff> no i am 30 miles away from it
[15:25] <kaste> cat the sshd conf sed the line with the root login and > /etc/ssh/sshd.conf :)
[15:25] <kaste> hmm nvm, won't work, you don't have root :(
[15:25] <kaste> I guess you are somewhat out of luck
[15:25] <teff> oh well
[15:26] <teff> next time I will have to remember to allow root login from the local network then I can vpn to the router and connect
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[15:28] <quaisi> you can't su - to root?
[15:28] <teff> quaisi: anything in /bin is inaccessible
[15:29] <quaisi> ah - wow
[15:30] <nid0> re-image it, dont break the fs next time!
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[15:32] <linuxstb> teff: What about sudo?
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[15:35] <teff> nid0: 4 time reimaging, the card seems to be the problem
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[15:40] <gazzwi86> Hi all
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[15:42] <gjoseph> hmmm dillo does NOT segfault on me. Damn.
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[15:47] <drobban> huh
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[15:54] <quaisi> i've got about 30 quid to spend on electronics for my pi - any recommendations? I'm looking at maybe the pi cobbler, a soldering iron etc. Anything else/better?
[15:54] <IT_Sean> quaisi: depends on what you are looking to do.
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[15:55] <Jck_true> quaisi: You don't really need a soldering iron if you're just playing, male->female jumpers - breadboards etc will get you a long way if you're just playing
[15:56] <gordonDrogon> I'd avoid the soldering iron and start with a breadboard, jumper wires, leds & buttons.
[15:56] <arcanescu> v4l2loopback module has not been built into the raspiban kernel does anyone know?
[15:57] <linuxstb> arcanescu: You can look in /proc/cpuinfo.gz (at least on Raspbian)
[15:57] <quaisi> the pi cobbler looked cool but needs to be soldered together which is why I thought of a soldering iron
[15:57] <gordonDrogon> no need for one - just jumper wires & breadboar.d
[15:58] <gordonDrogon> http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/starter-kita-for-raspberry-pi-pi-not-include-p-1070.html
[15:58] <gordonDrogon> e.g. that even comes with a "case" to protect the Pi.
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[16:00] <arcanescu> linuxstb: aaah okay let me check
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[16:00] <quaisi> cheers
[16:01] <Jck_true> quaisi: Again - It also slightly depends on what you wanna do - If you wanna work on the low level - just buy that kit - Otherwise there's plenty of shops selling arduino stuff (sensors, displays etc) and forum will provide details on how you interface it
[16:01] <arcanescu> linuxstb: i am on raspbian there is no such file /proc/cpuinfo.gz
[16:01] <quaisi> yes I saw a red homemeade squeezebox that looked cool - with a 16x2 led screen printing out the music,
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[16:02] <Jck_true> quaisi: You can get alot of displays like that - No need for a solder iron
[16:02] <linuxstb> arcanescu: Sorry, I meant /proc/config.gz (muscle memory forcing me to type cpuinfo!)
[16:03] <arcanescu> lol :)
[16:03] <yehnan> Hi, I can play Quake III on rpi. Can't play OpenArena, error message is "GLimp_Init() - could not load OpenGL subsystem", crashlog.txt is here https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/35616101/crashlog.txt
[16:03] <quaisi> excellent - that sounds good (and better on the pocket)
[16:03] <chris_99> what's the simples way to control the GPIO through C?
[16:03] <yehnan> chris_99: WiringPi
[16:04] <Jck_true> chris_99: WiringPi - @gordonDrogon
[16:04] <yehnan> chris_99: Arduino-like API
[16:04] <chris_99> cheers peeps
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[16:07] <quaisi> apologies for ignorance - i found this lcd http://www.amazon.co.uk/1602-Character-Display-Module-Blacklight/dp/B009GEPZRE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1369231564&sr=8-1&keywords=16x2+lcd - how do I connect it up if not by soldering?
[16:07] <burbankboy> If I turn my Pi into a webserv, would it be possible to limit access to it based on internal network IPs
[16:07] <burbankboy> and reject any other access
[16:07] <burbankboy> ?
[16:07] <gordonDrogon> chris_99, yea, wiringPi :)
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[16:08] <Jck_true> burbankboy: eaisly behind a nat router
[16:08] <linuxstb> burbankboy: Yes.
[16:08] <gordonDrogon> quaisi, with this: http://wiringpi.com/dev-lib/lcd-library/
[16:08] <burbankboy> Could I do it without having to rely on the router to do it for me?
[16:08] <chris_99> that looks really nice gordonDrogon :)
[16:08] <gordonDrogon> quaisi, ah, mis-read that. you will need some soldering...
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[16:09] <gordonDrogon> quaisi, although... blu-tack and a breadboard might work - sort of temporarily :)
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[16:09] <quaisi> ok - cheers - love the setup there :)
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[16:12] <arcanescu> linuxstb: i think v4l2loopback is not part of the kernel yet rather seperate
[16:13] <arcanescu> linuxstb: would have to compile it
[16:13] <gazzwi86> So every time i reboot my router, I have to reconnect from my Pi. Is there any way around this as I'm not going to be able to access the Pi most of the time. A cron maybe? I using Occidentalis and wicd-curses at the moment, but heard good things about netctl
[16:13] <gazzwi86> Any help would be much appreciated, as I was going to try and get the project live tomorrow.
[16:13] <Jck_true> burbankboy: Well if you set up a pi behind your home router only pcs on your local network will have access to it - Nobody else
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[16:14] <steve_rox> unless ya port forward ;-)
[16:14] <gazzwi86> Ignore me, it appears to have reconnected now.
[16:15] <linuxstb> arcanescu: What would that module do anyway? Is v4l2 at all useful on the Pi?
[16:16] <arcanescu> yes it is
[16:16] <arcanescu> i use it to capture video through webcam.
[16:16] <burbankboy> Jck_true: okay
[16:16] <burbankboy> thanks :)
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[16:17] <burbankboy> but what is it needs internet, this Pi?
[16:17] <arcanescu> linuxstb: it will create a vrtual loopback v4l device... so i can use raspivid to output to -> the v4l2loopback device
[16:17] <arcanescu> effectively making the raspivid a v4ldevice
[16:17] <burbankboy> wouldnt that be a problem?
[16:17] <arcanescu> whose output can be read simply by /dev/video*
[16:17] <Jck_true> burbankboy: It can still access the internet
[16:18] <burbankboy> So what you're saying is
[16:18] <linuxstb> arcanescu: Ah, so an easy way to sort of write a v4l driver for the camera module? So it would look like a camera with hardware h264 encoding?
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[16:18] <burbankboy> if I have a Pi, and I connect it to the net via a passworded wifi network
[16:18] <burbankboy> nothing can get to it?
[16:18] <burbankboy> from outside?
[16:18] <Jck_true> burbankboy: Not unless you setup port forwarding on your router :)
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[16:19] <arcanescu> linuxstb: touche
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[16:20] <arcanescu> i can try to compile the mopdule right now but it might complain of missing kernel headers and all that bladibla
[16:20] <arcanescu> anyway here goes a try
[16:20] <linuxstb> arcanescu: Sounds useful. Although I suspect I'll just use/modify raspivid to access it via mmal/openmax
[16:20] <burbankboy> If that's the case, then why do companies that employ high security tuck their systems behind multple abstraction layers?
[16:21] <burbankboy> using stuff like internal dns lists
[16:21] <arcanescu> linuxstb: thats a good idea too
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[16:22] <linuxstb> arcanescu: I think it's definitely in need of built-in network streaming.
[16:22] <Jck_true> burbankboy: dns lists?
[16:22] <arcanescu> linuxstb: its crying for it
[16:23] <linuxstb> Well, if RS ever send me a camera...
[16:23] <burbankboy> Jck_true: ya internal domain names
[16:23] <burbankboy> and ips etc
[16:24] <burbankboy> im just saying, i know that people who know more about this than i do hide their systems away in really obscure ways
[16:24] <Jck_true> To keep their infrastructure manageable?
[16:24] <burbankboy> so it feels to me like youre maybe oversimplifying the matter?
[16:24] <burbankboy> by saying its impossible?
[16:24] <Jck_true> burbankboy: Well the problem is if someone infects a pc on your internal network
[16:24] <burbankboy> Jck_true: not in the ways ive seen it
[16:24] <arcanescu> linuxstb: as i suggested: make: *** /lib/modules/3.6.11+/build: No such file or directory. Stop.
[16:24] <Jck_true> There really isn't much you can do
[16:24] <burbankboy> yeah Jck_true, exactly!
[16:24] <burbankboy> but
[16:24] <burbankboy> what if i shield myself from them?
[16:24] <burbankboy> and only accept http requests from them?
[16:24] <burbankboy> wouldnt i be safe then?
[16:25] <Jck_true> How? You want X to be accessible by Y - But hacker controls Y 100%...
[16:25] <arcanescu> linuxstb: any ideas on how to get the headers to build kernel modules?
[16:26] <linuxstb> arcanescu: Sorry, no idea. I've managed to stay away from kernel/module compiling for many years.
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[16:26] <arcanescu> linuxstb: :) good call
[16:26] <Jck_true> burbankboy: Firewalls of course - You can reject anything besides connections on port 80 - But if all you install on your pi is SSHd and a webserver you're better off than 99% of internet connected systems
[16:29] <burbankboy> Jck_true: yeah but i still need internet access with this device also
[16:29] <burbankboy> so..
[16:29] <burbankboy> two net adapters?
[16:29] <Warpslide> burbankboy: I've been using iptables for years to setup a firewall, I'd do the same on the pi
[16:29] <Jck_true> burbankboy: So? That won't change anything
[16:30] <Warpslide> here's a good link on how to set this up: http://alexdberg.blogspot.ca/2012/11/creating-public-web-server-on-raspberry.html
[16:30] <burbankboy> thanks pal
[16:30] <burbankboy> but is it safe?
[16:30] <Jck_true> Warpslide: He doesn't want it to be public - Internal network only - Trying to explain to him
[16:30] <pksato> arcanescu: apt-cache search linux-kbuild and for linux-headers
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[16:31] <Jck_true> burbankboy: http://www.howstuffworks.com/nat.htm :)
[16:31] <arcanescu> pksato: are you sure that would be the only thing required and it is actually looking for the headers?
[16:32] <Warpslide> I was getting thousands of connections per minute trying to connect to me trying a bunch of usernames and passwords, iptables stopped all of that. Of course jck_true is right, you will still need to forward ports from your nat router to your pi for it to be accessable from the outside
[16:32] <burbankboy> Jck_true: ok
[16:32] <burbankboy> so
[16:32] <burbankboy> i take it then, that it would be possible to stay super secure
[16:32] <burbankboy> from both internal and external attacks
[16:33] <Jck_true> indeed
[16:33] <burbankboy> while allowing every internal client to access me via port 80
[16:33] <burbankboy> and while being able to surf the net via the router that interfaces with the external net?
[16:33] <Warpslide> exactly, you can use iptables to allow only one or a range of ip addresses
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[16:33] <burbankboy> ok
[16:33] <burbankboy> thanks mates :)
[16:33] <Jck_true> And NAT on your router will block 99.99% of stuff :)
[16:33] <burbankboy> would it be possible to link from an external URL to an internal IP?
[16:34] <burbankboy> just any sort of redirect
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[16:34] <Jck_true> burbankboy: Well in a way - Your "internal ip" will be like" but that address will only make sense for pc's on your network
[16:35] <burbankboy> right
[16:35] <burbankboy> cool
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[16:39] <Darkwell> thanks nuffigel
[16:41] <carado> hello, what would I do about a raspberrypi that doesn't boot anymore, no matter the system on the SD card or the SD card (tried two cards, and raspbian and archlinuxarm) ? only the power led turns on.
[16:41] <nid0> does the act light blip once very briefly when you power it on?
[16:42] <carado> no
[16:42] <IT_Sean> carado: do you have any USB devices attached?
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[16:42] <carado> no, only the SD card and the power cable
[16:42] <carado> both of which worked fine yesterday
[16:43] <IT_Sean> Have you tried with another power supply?
[16:43] <IT_Sean> THe one that worked yesterday might have developed an issue.
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[16:46] <carado> I tried the same cable on another computer, I'm looking for some other cable
[16:47] <IT_Sean> When you say "cable" are you referring to the power supply itself, or just a USB cable. The issue may lie with the power brick itself.
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[16:49] <carado> I mean the USB cable, the power supply is my computer
[16:49] <IT_Sean> oooh
[16:49] <IT_Sean> That may be the issue
[16:49] <IT_Sean> Your computer may not be sufficiently powering the raspi
[16:49] <carado> but I just tried with the RScomponents cable that gives power from the wall plug to microusb, and I have the same issue
[16:50] <IT_Sean> The Pi may be hosed, then. I would contact whomever you bought it from for an RMA.
[16:50] <carado> (I may have a terrible vocabulary, sorry for that, I'm french)
[16:50] <IT_Sean> Quite alright.
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[16:53] <carado> oh, well thanks for the help
[16:54] <IT_Sean> no problem
[16:57] <carado> in case it might be related, I tried running the raspberry with http://www.amazon.co.uk/Duracell-Rechargeable-Accu-Pocket-Charger/dp/B0034B7ZBE
[16:58] <IT_Sean> Did it stop working right after?
[16:59] <carado> only the power led turned on then. I tried running it from my computer again, booted fine with all LEDs, but could not access it through ssh. and then the present situation
[16:59] <IT_Sean> It is VERY likely that the output on that charger is NOT properly regulated, and it fried your raspi.
[16:59] <carado> oh, and I managed to get the ACT led blinking repeateadly three times in a loop once, I can't figure out how
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[16:59] <carado> oh, crap
[17:01] <carado> the accumulator says '5Vdc, 750mA'
[17:01] <carado> for each output (it has two of them)
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[17:03] <Zync> do sd cards have a writing limit?
[17:03] <Zync> i mean can*
[17:03] <IT_Sean> Short answer: Yes. BUT, by the time you hit it, you will be old and grey
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[17:04] <Zync> my pc doesn't recognize the sd card i installed raspbian to
[17:04] <Zync> what do i do?
[17:04] <SpeedEvil> IT_Sean: That's not reliably true.
[17:04] <Zync> it works perfectly in the rbp, ive tried but i want to check on it
[17:05] <SpeedEvil> Zync: In short - it varies significantly per design of card, and per writing pattern.
[17:05] <SpeedEvil> Zync: If you write linearly from one end of the card to the other over and over - then no - you're unlikely to hit issues in reasonable write amounts.
[17:05] <Zync> but once it reaches its limit its pretty much useless right?
[17:06] <SpeedEvil> Zync: However, in some cases, writing a single sector (512 bytes) may effectively write 256K of SD card.
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[17:07] <Zync> i wrote rapsbian into my sd card and it worked well, but now my pc doesn't recognize it
[17:07] <SpeedEvil> And the wear may not be spread evenly over the card by the internal algorithms, but limited to groups of 1000 blocks of 256k or so
[17:07] <SpeedEvil> And yes - if the SD card hits an error - various things can happen.
[17:07] <Jck_true> Zync: Putting it into a windows PC should only indicate a smal FAT32 sector with a few files on it
[17:07] <SpeedEvil> From it acting like a normal block device, and that block showing an error.
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[17:08] <SpeedEvil> To errors spread around the wear group, to the card failing to 'boot'.
[17:08] <SpeedEvil> And not showing up at all.
[17:08] <Zync> it just simply isnt recognized, i cant even see it in the device manager, ive got mini tool partition wizard and i cant see it there either
[17:08] <Triffid_Hunter> Zync: do other cards work?
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[17:08] <teff> Zync: is it working in the pi?
[17:08] * ShadowJK wishes cards were still 256k blocks
[17:08] <SpeedEvil> SD cards do not have SMART - they just die occasionally.
[17:08] <ShadowJK> Today 12M is becoming common :/
[17:08] <SpeedEvil> ShadowJK: I suppose thinking about it they'll be bigger.
[17:08] <SpeedEvil> Ow
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[17:09] <SpeedEvil> Write Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamplification.
[17:09] <taza> Hmm
[17:09] <ShadowJK> They made spec for cards to advertise their preferred erase size, but they all lie and say 4M :)
[17:09] <ShadowJK> Except the emmc in my android tablet, which advertises 8M
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[17:09] <taza> I remember throwing away logs to make SD cards live longer
[17:10] <taza> I wonder how I did that
[17:10] <taza> A ramdisk in fstab, says brain
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[17:11] <taza> I wonder how that worked
[17:12] <taza> Ohright. A ramdisk in fstab hosting... /var, I think, then a shutdown script copying it to drive.
[17:12] <taza> If the system crashed your logs were gone, but in return the drive didn't die as fast.
[17:12] <SpeedEvil> If it's on a net - simply syslogging to a server makes sense.
[17:13] <taza> And a timed task to do the write every 30min
[17:13] <Jck_true> logs are for chickens... like backups...
[17:13] <taza> Well, to be fair, in this context logs reduce the time the parts survive.
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[17:15] <carado> also, my raspberry pi used to shut down after a few minutes when I closed the case, I assumed because of heat - could that have anything to do with it ?
[17:16] <Jck_true> i don't think so - more likely unstable power...
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[17:21] <Zync> Triffid_Hunter: yeah other sd cards work fine
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[17:22] <Zync> acctually im using mini sd card with sd card adaptor with a card reader on pc
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[17:23] <Zync> but my other mini sd works fine
[17:23] <IT_Sean> could be a squffy card, then.
[17:24] <Zync> but it worked the first time i wrote raspbian in it
[17:24] <overrider> I would like to switch a 5V relay using my 3.3V RPI outputs. Is this something i can use to "boost" 3.3V to 5V and make it work? http://dx.com/p/03100127-dc-dc-3v-to-5v-boost-converter-charger-module-red-154870
[17:24] <Zync> it just stoped working idk why
[17:24] <IT_Sean> What did you do to it, if anything, just before it stopped working?
[17:25] <Zync> IT_Sean: i just ran raspberry pi with it and nothing much
[17:25] <Jck_true> overrider: NO NO NO!
[17:25] <ShadowJK> overrider, NO
[17:25] <IT_Sean> overrider: NOOOOOOO!
[17:25] <IT_Sean> Zync: reimage the card?
[17:25] <nid0> can I just also add, no
[17:25] <overrider> Nice ;-)
[17:25] <Zync> IT_Sean: yeah like 3 times i think
[17:25] <Jck_true> overrider: http://dx.com/p/jy-mcu-5v-3v-iic-uart-level-2-way-converter-module-adapter-178301?Utm_rid=58973692&Utm_source=affiliate
[17:25] <Zync> and the second time i think it fucked it up
[17:26] <Zync> because i messed witth partition ijn mini tool
[17:26] <IT_Sean> Zync: my guess would be it's a fault with the card.
[17:26] <Jck_true> IT_Sean: According to the specs that should provide enough "umpf" - (Depending on your relay, got any specs for it?)
[17:26] <Zync> IT_Sean: any idea on how to fix it? i wanna format it
[17:26] <overrider> Jck_true: thank you. How is this different to what i posted?
[17:27] <IT_Sean> Zync: No idea. Try a reformat & reimage. It might simply be shagged, though.
[17:27] <Jck_true> overrider: the one you posted upconverts 3v3 to 5v (that will take ALOT of mA, something the pi port pins can't provide)
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[17:27] <Zync> IT_Sean: if its shagged theres no turning back?
[17:27] <Zync> IT_Sean: what about if i format it with the rbp?
[17:28] <IT_Sean> How do you plan to format it with the raspi, if it won't BOOT off that card?
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[17:28] <Zync> IT_Sean: in the rbp it works!
[17:28] <IT_Sean> oooooooooh
[17:28] <IT_Sean> It works in the raspi!?
[17:28] <IT_Sean> Oookay.
[17:28] <IT_Sean> WHere does it not work?
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[17:28] <Zync> IT_Sean: its just my windows pc not recognizing it at all
[17:29] <IT_Sean> It doesn't show up at all in the PC?
[17:29] <Zync> not even in device manager
[17:29] <IT_Sean> Not even one partition?
[17:29] <Jck_true> overrider: But otherwise - a transistor and a resistor and you're golden :)
[17:29] <IT_Sean> weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeird
[17:29] <IT_Sean> No idea then. sorry.
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[17:29] <Zync> IT_Sean: IKr
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[17:29] <Zync> FUCK
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[17:31] <overrider> Jck_true: do you know of an example only off hand? Or a good search query? I am not sure what i am doing if i am not upconverting 3.3V to 5V
[17:32] <Jck_true> overrider: http://www.mayothi.com/transistors.html
[17:32] <overrider> Like - how did you see immediately the one i posted is not the right thing
[17:32] * IT_Sean facepalms
[17:32] <overrider> Thanks - will take a look
[17:33] <overrider> IT_Sean: come on, one says its a JY-MCU 5V 3V IIC UART, the other one says its a 3V to 5V Boost Converter. Both cost about the same. No immediate idea how they do their job different
[17:34] <mgottschlag> overrider: you are level shifting, not voltage converting
[17:34] <mgottschlag> level shifting = signal level
[17:34] <mgottschlag> voltage converter = power supply
[17:34] <mgottschlag> at least that's how I know those terms
[17:34] <overrider> Aha - thanks for this clue, will look up level shifting compared to voltage converting
[17:35] <gjoseph> just a random poke - anyone running a browser (chrome, midori) WITHOUT a window manager around here ?
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[17:38] <Jck_true> gjoseph: Hmm i don't think that's supported... Have you looked at "NetSurf" graphical browser that runs in framebuffer
[17:39] <gjoseph> Jck_true: nope, i need to check that out. This guy here runs chrome on linux without a WM - http://russ.garrett.co.uk/2013/04/15/driving-monitoring-displays-in-linux/ - but this isn't raspberry pi specific ... and i can't get that to work indeed
[17:39] <gjoseph> (well right now i'm about to try again on a fresh sd...)
[17:40] <Jck_true> gjoseph: It still uses X11
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[17:40] <gjoseph> x11 yes, that's fine. i was just trying to strip off as many things as i can
[17:40] <gjoseph> ouch, netsurf claims to support html4 and css...1. Sic.
[17:40] <Jck_true> gjoseph: Ahh right - Guessing you're the one that commented below :D
[17:40] <gjoseph> ho css2 now...
[17:40] <gjoseph> yup that's me :D
[17:42] <Jck_true> gjoseph: this might interrest you too - http://directfb.org/
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[17:44] <gjoseph> Jck_true: mmmmaybe, i'll check it out, thanks:)
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[17:46] <D4CH_RPi> Hey guys
[17:47] <D4CH_RPi> I've thought about adding an USB-powered only external HDD, most likely 2 TB.
[17:47] <D4CH_RPi> I currently have a 1000 mAh charger added to my RPi
[17:47] <D4CH_RPi> And I have a USB WiFi dongle attached.
[17:47] <D4CH_RPi> Will my RPi be able to run a USB-powered only external 2 TB hdd without problems?
[17:47] <nid0> no
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[17:47] <IT_Sean> You'll need a powahed hub.
[17:48] <nid0> youll either need a powered hub or you'll need to do some power bypassing
[17:48] <D4CH_RPi> Aha, then I can just purchase a AC powered HDD instead
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[17:49] <D4CH_RPi> I was hoping the RPi could handle the power
[17:49] <Chaz6> Even if the hard disk was an ssd, 200mA is probably not enough power
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[17:49] <D4CH_RPi> The RPi uses 800?
[17:49] <steve_rox> was trying to think of a way to fix usb power issue
[17:49] <nid0> the rpi can only provide around 300mA to usb devices
[17:49] <nid0> in total
[17:49] <Chaz6> I thought it only supplied 200mA
[17:49] <Chaz6> ISC
[17:50] <D4CH_RPi> Ah, well I have the 1000 mAh charger, so I thought that should be enough
[17:50] <Chaz6> 300mA might be enough for a 2TB ssd
[17:50] <steve_rox> what if you cut the power wire to the usb device then fed it with power from another source but keep the data cables intact?
[17:50] <gjoseph> i bet this is more of a debian question, but can anyone explain the diff between the chromium and chromium-browser packages ? the latter is described as "..transitional dummy package" ... ??
[17:50] <steve_rox> just a theory i had i dunno if it would work
[17:50] <nid0> 300 wont be anywhere near enough with a wifi dongle drawing at least 1/3 of it as well
[17:50] <mgottschlag> "1000 mAh charger" <- that can run the pi for about 1.5 hours :)
[17:50] <Chaz6> well bear in mind an ssd draws a lot less power than a regular hdd
[17:51] <nid0> external ssd's dont come in 2TB form
[17:51] <nid0> and he did specifically say HDD, not SSD
[17:51] <Chaz6> Sure they do
[17:51] <D4CH_RPi> I'll just purchase an AC powered then. Then I think I'll get a 4 TB
[17:51] <Chaz6> Solidata K8-1920E
[17:51] <D4CH_RPi> It's to create a NAS
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[17:52] <Chaz6> The term HDD doesnt exclude SSD, SSDs are a subset of HDDs
[17:53] <gjoseph> SSD are a misnomer, there's no D in an SSD ;)
[17:53] <nid0> no, theyre distinct different things. people may be lazy and bundle them together, but thats their problem
[17:53] <Chaz6> We will have to agree to disagree
[17:53] <gjoseph> (if D is for Disk, that is)
[17:54] <Chaz6> The D is for Drive
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[17:54] <gjoseph> ha, right. It's the first D in HDD that's for Disk, which an ssd doesn't have:)
[17:55] <Chaz6> I was wrong :)
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[17:58] <arcanescu> linuxstb: do you know which fd does raspivid get raw buffers from ?
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[17:58] <linuxstb> arcanescu: There's no fd - it's over openmax/mmal.
[17:58] <linuxstb> Or at least, if there are fds involved, they're never exposed to the app.
[17:59] <arcanescu> linuxstb: just tried the loopback module it works over normal videotestsrc ... doesnt like the raspivid
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[17:59] <rly> Can you hear a raspberrypi operate?
[17:59] <IT_Sean> ?
[17:59] <IT_Sean> no
[17:59] <ShiftPlusOne> nope
[18:00] <arcanescu> linuxstb: however if i decode the video and then send it to the virtual device it accepts it.
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[18:00] <steve_rox> haha
[18:00] <Bushmills> yes - just plug a headset into audio out, and there's a hiss
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[18:00] <Bushmills> it's shape depends on raskberrie's operation
[18:00] <Bushmills> rasp, even
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[18:02] <linuxstb> arcanescu: Buffering issues again?
[18:02] <arcanescu> linuxstb; no this time its format.
[18:02] <arcanescu> it cannot negotiate format
[18:03] <arcanescu> linuxstb: loves raw frames I420 hates encoded h264 frames
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[18:09] <Zync> IT_Sean: hey dude i accessed the sd card through my android phone and i have access to its files, can i delete them and will it work then?
[18:09] <ShiftPlusOne> Hm, you don't get a lot of 'hey dude' these days.
[18:09] <Zync> still i can only see the 55mb partition instead of the 16gb whole idk why
[18:10] <Zync> ShiftPlusOne: its because i'm high LOL
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[18:14] <D4CH_RPi> d00d
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[18:15] <Zync> IT_Sean: lol still, will it work oh great Sean the IT Master
[18:15] <IT_Sean> Zync: sorry. You had your shot. you blew it. Try again tomorrow.
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[18:16] <Zync> IT_Sean: http://nooooooooooooooo.com/
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[18:21] <Zync> anyone knows why i cant format a sd card from a android phone??the option is grey
[18:22] <nid0> I would assume android phones can only see sd cards that are vfat
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[18:27] <Zync> IT_Sean: hey i finnaly was able to access it, i can only see the 52mb partition though, what do i do??
[18:28] <arcanescu> linuxstb: what exactly will you be tweaking on raspivid?
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[18:29] <Zync> wtffff IT SAYS BAD DISK WAT IS TIS
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[19:05] <linuxstb> arcanescu: I'm not really sure yet - probably adding network streaming and muxing the raw h264 into MPEG-TS, so I can use it as an IPTV input to tvheadend (and hence view it anywhere I can connect to tvheadend from)
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[19:12] <arcanescu> linuxstb: isee
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[19:29] <dreamreal> http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/arm/2013-May/006033.html
[19:29] <dreamreal> Pidora!
[19:30] <dreamreal> (fedora 18, remixed specifically for the Pi)
[19:30] <rymate1234> any spotify clients for the pi?
[19:31] <ShiftPlusOne> despotify is one
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[19:32] <rymate1234> does it support playlists?
[19:33] <linuxstb> arcanescu: What are you using the camera for?
[19:33] <ShiftPlusOne> No idea, I don't use things like that.
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[19:34] <linkxs> Eh, here's my weak attempt at IO stress testing to see how much it would take to kill an SD card/a Pi
[19:34] <linkxs> http://linkxs.org/io-stress-testing-on-a-raspberry-pi/
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[19:55] <neagix> linkxs: nice
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[19:57] <Redostrike> evening all
[19:57] <IT_Sean> afternoon.
[19:57] <Redostrike> works for me :)
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[19:59] <Jayface> exit
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[19:59] <arcanescu> anyone seen gbaman :o ?
[20:00] <arcanescu> linuxstb: would have to sign an NDA :P
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[20:05] <ozzzy> damn this 'no join unless registered' is annoying
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[20:05] <IT_Sean> Well, now you are registered, you just need to ident w/ nickserv to log in.
[20:06] <Kriss3d_> Hmm odd.. I accidently bricked my raspberry after a failed update of raspbmc but naturally i just reflashed the SD. Now i can get it to initially boot and install the SD but it wont boot up anymore after that. When i plug in the power the red led just lights up but nothing seems to happen.. what can be wrong ? power is 2A
[20:07] <thesov> god the ras pi thin client distro sucks
[20:07] <Kriss3d_> Are there any alternatives to raspbmc that will boot into a media distro by default ?
[20:08] <IT_Sean> Kriss3d_: OpenELEC?
[20:08] <IT_Sean> I'd recommend giving that one a go.
[20:08] <chod> openelec is better in my opinion
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[20:08] <Kriss3d_> i thought that was a linux distro that you could install xbmc into.. does it support 1channel and icefilms ?
[20:08] <IT_Sean> I'd agree w/ chod there.
[20:09] <IT_Sean> OpenELEC comes with xbmc preconfigured. It boots right into it.
[20:09] <chod> a class 10 card helped but it could of been a conincidence ?spelliung
[20:09] <chod> doh
[20:09] <ozzzy> IT_Sean: ahhh... but if my nick comes up with a _ behind it.... no dice
[20:10] <Kriss3d_> Uhm wait.. so there is raspbmc which runs a rasp xbmc and openELEC which runs .. xbmc ?? so there is a diffrence ?
[20:10] <IT_Sean> You need to identify AS your primary nick then. /msg nickserv identify [primary_nick] [password]
[20:10] <IT_Sean> Kriss3d_: OpenELEC has less bloat.
[20:11] <Kriss3d_> I see.. well i LOVE raspberry pi and ive already told people that from now on i wish for one every cristmas and birthsday..
[20:11] <Kriss3d_> but i gotta admit i went straight for raspbmc
[20:11] <IT_Sean> Try OpenELEC.
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[20:12] <Kriss3d_> I will. i got a few spare SD cards
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[20:16] <Kriss3d_> i gotta admit that it does look a bit more.. complex to install than raspbmc.
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[20:20] <bigx> hi, there, does anybody have some good info about wifi conf with RT2870 dongles? thx
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[20:23] <sraue> <Kriss3d_> Uhm wait.. so there is raspbmc which runs a rasp xbmc and openELEC which runs .. xbmc ?? so there is a diffrence ? <--- Raspbmc as well as OpenELEC runs XBMC, Raspbmc is/uses NOT a own XBMC port
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[20:24] <sraue> and the XBMC port is not done by the Raspbmc guys, its done by the official XBMC dev team
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[20:25] <Kriss3d_> ok sraue .. is there a gui installer for openELEC ? it seems it can only be installed through linux (not that i cant do that. but id have to install linux to my work laptop to do that.
[20:25] <sraue> Kriss3d_, there are also images here: http://openelec.thestateofme.com/
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[20:26] <Kriss3d_> Ahhh much better
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[20:26] <Kriss3d_> sraue, I can just install that using the gui from raspbmc ? i mean that puts a image on the SD but it should work right ?
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[20:27] <sraue> you can use something like windiskimager or how its called
[20:28] <Kriss3d_> ah ok. i got a program called roadkils diskimager. that should do the trick. thanks
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[20:43] <rymate1234> how do I find out how hot my Pi is?
[20:44] <IT_Sean> Lick it.
[20:44] <ShiftPlusOne> rymate1234, vcgencmd measure_temp
[20:44] <Kriss3d_> rymate1234, just the fact that you have to ask id say: its too hot.
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[20:44] <ShiftPlusOne> Kriss3d_, nonsense
[20:44] <steve_rox> everyone thinks they are too hot at first
[20:44] <Kriss3d_> i didnt think it would actually be able to get too hot.
[20:45] <IT_Sean> It really can't, under normal circumstances.
[20:45] <rymate1234> 48.7C
[20:45] <IT_Sean> That's fine.
[20:45] <rymate1234> k
[20:45] <steve_rox> mines 48.7
[20:45] <rymate1234> yay average temp!
[20:45] <steve_rox> keeps changeing between 48.2 to 7
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[20:46] <ShiftPlusOne> To get above safe temperatures you'd have to do so on purpose and have the knowledge to do so... so you wouldn't be asking.
[20:46] <rymate1234> it just felt hot, that's all
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[20:46] <steve_rox> ebay sellers love to play that "feel that hot touch" to sell their heatsinks
[20:47] <IT_Sean> allow me to rephrase... "to sell their heatsinks to gullible idiots.
[20:47] <IT_Sean> "
[20:47] <Kriss3d_> Hmm interessting.. first attempt on openELEC and it boots fine. no errors..
[20:48] <steve_rox> hmm i may of not put it so strong myself
[20:48] <IT_Sean> Kriss3d_: That's a Good thing.
[20:48] <steve_rox> i pulled a old heatsink off a old motherboard and put it on anyways
[20:48] <steve_rox> cos its recycleing :-P
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[20:48] <IT_Sean> as i said... "gullible idiots". :p
[20:48] <Kriss3d_> IT_Sean, indeed. especially since its an old C4 card as opposed to the one i was using for raspbmc which is C10
[20:48] <IT_Sean> So... OpenELEC working well, is it?
[20:49] <Kriss3d_> is the default user/pass still pi/raspberry
[20:49] <Twist-> If your chip is hot enough to need a heatsink, it will momentarily feel cold when you touch it. :D
[20:49] <steve_rox> thing is if you have a heatsink you need airflow for it even to make a differnce
[20:49] <Twist-> Then you won't be thinking about heat sinks for a while.
[20:49] <IT_Sean> Kriss3d_: I don't recall the default pass... are you SSHing in, or do you have it hooked to a TV?
[20:49] <IT_Sean> If it's hooked to a TV, it should 'Just Work'.
[20:49] <Kriss3d_> IT_Sean, both.. i need to install icefilms and 1channel plugin.
[20:49] <IT_Sean> ahh.
[20:50] * IT_Sean hasn't the foggiest
[20:50] <Kriss3d_> heh ill give it a go
[20:51] <sraue> Kriss3d_, root/openelec
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[20:52] <Kriss3d_> sraue, ah ok thanks
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[20:59] <suehle> Pidora (the Fedora 18 remix for Pi) released today: http://t.co/NVbsiV30uD
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[21:00] <Kriss3d_> dafug. openelec doesnt have a passwd command
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[21:01] <Kriss3d_> uhmm i cant even ftp to the openelec ?
[21:02] <sraue> Kriss3d_, scp or samba you can use
[21:02] <Kriss3d_> samba will abort for large files
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[21:03] <sraue> you think?
[21:04] <Kriss3d_> well unless somthign magic happened because it did in raspbmc
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[21:05] <sraue> Kriss3d_, try and and report to me if it will abort with openelec too
[21:05] <Kriss3d_> ok ill try. thanks.
[21:06] <Kriss3d_> and uhm sorry if i sounded offensive in any way. didnt mean to
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[21:09] <Kriss3d_> I dont suppose there is any android app that works as a feedback remote control ? I mean. like being able to see the files youre browsing through on the phone ? would make an awsome radio
[21:09] <IT_Sean> There are Android apps for controlling xbmc... I dunno if any show you a file list.
[21:11] <Kriss3d_> currently im using yast as i find it really good. and it shows a few things but it would be SO great if i could see things like which radiostations i can listen to. I mean. Then i wouldnt need a monitor to pick a radio from icecast
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[21:16] <rymate1234> lol why did i turn onm compositing
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[21:22] <burbankboy> Can someone please help me?
[21:22] <burbankboy> I can't get sound to come out of the 3,5 plug :(
[21:23] <Kriss3d_> burbankboy, what OS are you running ?
[21:23] <burbankboy> raspbian
[21:23] <Kriss3d_> oh dang i havent tried that one
[21:24] <AkstonH> What are you trying to play sound with? (app?)
[21:24] <burbankboy> :/
[21:24] <burbankboy> tried to play a couple of games
[21:24] <burbankboy> dont know what else to do
[21:25] <AkstonH> burbankboy, I've got a fresh install of raspbian running here. give me an example of a game then I'll see if it works this side.
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[21:28] <burbankboy> Python Games
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[21:28] <burbankboy> any of them
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[21:29] <AkstonH> Woops, lost connection there
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[21:30] <AkstonH> burbankboy, I'd suggest running alsamixer, just to make sure your volume is up..
[21:30] <burbankboy> how=
[21:30] <burbankboy> ?
[21:30] <AkstonH> Open the LXTerminal on your desktop
[21:30] <AkstonH> when it opens, type in 'alsamixer' without the quotes.
[21:30] <AkstonH> It's a volume control program
[21:31] <burbankboy> its on 40
[21:31] <burbankboy> pcm
[21:31] <AkstonH> Ok, the up and down keys control the volume
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[21:32] <burbankboy> yeah
[21:32] <burbankboy> tried playback and everythign
[21:32] <burbankboy> not working
[21:32] <IT_Sean> What video connection are you using?
[21:32] <burbankboy> hdmi
[21:32] <IT_Sean> Okay... the audio will route via the HDMI port by default then
[21:32] <burbankboy> well, i specifically told it not to before playing a game
[21:32] <burbankboy> and that didnt work eitehr
[21:32] <IT_Sean> You can change it to the analog audio, but i do not recall how.
[21:32] <burbankboy> either*
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[21:35] <linkxs> updated the article http://linkxs.org/io-stress-testing-on-a-raspberry-pi/ . Also, put up (kind of) live graphs
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[21:38] <AkstonH> burbankboy, Try these tips? http://www.elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting#Sound
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[21:40] <timmmaaaayyy> is there a way to debug wifi connection attempts? i'm trying to connect my pi to an office network using a config indentical to this tutorial:http://learn.adafruit.com/adafruits-raspberry-pi-lesson-3-network-setup/setting-up-wifi-with-occidentalis
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[21:41] <AkstonH> vf
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[21:41] <gjoseph> timmmaaaayyy: you can perhaps tail -f /var/log/syslog --- what's your /etc/network/interfaces file look like ?
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[21:42] <AkstonH> burbankboy, let me know if you need a hand with any of those.. I'm trying them myself here as well :)
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[21:44] <burbankboy> Hmm
[21:45] <burbankboy> IT_Sean and AstonH I managed to resolve it with http://www.raspberrypi-spy.co.uk/2012/06/raspberry-pi-speakers-analog-sound-test/
[21:46] <AkstonH> burbankboy, Good to hear it! *cough*
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[21:50] <gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Arr!
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[21:53] <gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Looks like I have to build and install wiringPi2 before wiringPi2-Python will build… I'll need to figure out how to fix that!
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[21:59] <burbankboy> AkstonH: The problem was just that i needed to force the output
[22:00] <AkstonH> burbankboy, how did you end up doing it?
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[22:00] <burbankboy> AkstonH: The problem was just that i needed to force the output
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[22:01] <AkstonH> AkstonH, yea, I got that first time :) I mean are you setting it system wide somewhere or are you passing an argument to the specific program?
[22:01] <burbankboy> Sorry my client is messing up
[22:01] <burbankboy> AkstonH: I just put the commands into cmd
[22:01] <burbankboy> forced the system to select analogue output
[22:01] <burbankboy> instead of hdmi
[22:02] <burbankboy> but its telling me i need to do that on each boot so
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[22:02] <burbankboy> can you tell me how to run a script from a textfile on every launch?
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[22:02] <gordonDrogon> gadgetoid, Arr?
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[22:03] <gordonDrogon> gadgetoid, if it sits on-top of a standard install of wiringPi, then that's a good thing, surley?
[22:03] <gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: possibly, but the error it throws when wiringPi is not installed is not useful or informative in any way
[22:03] <AkstonH> burbankboy, yep.. I'll msg you, might get a bit long
[22:03] <nxtec> I have a USB -> RS232 FTDI chip based module (in fact I have 4) for my Pi, once I have plugged it in, it's not shown with lsusb. Any ideas?
[22:04] <gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: It simply fails with struct errors like: "dereferencing pointer to incomplete type"
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[22:05] <gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Probably because it's building everything backwards
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[22:06] <gbaman> evening, quick question, what extra software is installed on raspbian that is added by the foundation?
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[22:07] * gbaman hopes it is all .debs
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[22:08] <gadgetoid> Interesting, one of my testing Pi's just bricked itself
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[22:10] <ShiftPlusOne> gbaman, https://github.com/asb/spindle/blob/master/wheezy-stage3 https://github.com/asb/spindle/blob/master/wheezy-stage4-lxde
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[22:11] <dwery> hello. I've found this project https://github.com/linuxstb/pidvbip/ that takes the MPEG2 output of tvheadend and decodes it in hardware. I was wondering if there's something that implements a pipeline for transcoding MPEG2 to H264
[22:11] <linuxstb> burbankboy: To force the Pi to use composite output, can't you just do hdmi_ignore_hotplug=1 in your config.txt ?
[22:11] <gbaman> shiftplusone : my life just got a lot easier...
[22:11] <gbaman> thanks
[22:11] <ShiftPlusOne> gbaman, np
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[22:12] <burbankboy> linuxstb: idk what that is
[22:12] <burbankboy> so idk!
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[22:12] <linuxstb> dwery: omxtx is the closest I think.
[22:13] <linuxstb> burbankboy: /boot/config.txt - documented at http://elinux.org/RPiconfig
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[22:13] <dwery> linuxstb: checking that
[22:13] <burbankboy> this is all confusing
[22:13] <burbankboy> cant i just put a txt file under home
[22:13] <burbankboy> and tell the system to run it on boot?
[22:14] <burbankboy> and read everything like commands?
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[22:14] <linuxstb> dwery: It's possible gstreamer can do it, but you need to find (and probably compile) the openmax version for the Pi. Maybe someone other than me knows more about that option.
[22:14] <ShiftPlusOne> gbaman, gotta ask though, what are you doing?
[22:14] <dwery> linuxstb: I've just installed that version of gstreamer and will make some tests
[22:15] <gbaman> well, that would be telling :) It has to do with LTSP and raspberry pis though
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[22:15] <gbaman> and using the raspberry pi as a fat client for classrooms, maintain one master image on the server, all pis grab it each time on boot
[22:16] <ShiftPlusOne> ah, sounds handy
[22:16] <IT_Sean> also sounds a bit complicated.
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[22:17] <gbaman> LTSP is able to build the OS to the level of a normal debian install from the raspbian repository, just need the extra software
[22:17] <linuxstb> burbankboy: Yes, you can run a script on boot. There are many ways - e.g. add it to /etc/rc.local, use the cron @reboot option. But if all you want to do is use composite, you are better off doing it properly - i.e. in the config.txt file.
[22:17] <gadgetoid> Would be great it if could be done into ramdisks and not SD card
[22:18] <burbankboy> linuxstb: There are more things I want to do/have been told to do but have forgotten
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[22:18] <burbankboy> I want an accessible txt file on my desktop or in a root or home folder
[22:18] <linuxstb> burbankboy: Good job this channel is logged then.
[22:18] <burbankboy> that is read top to bottom as a list of commands
[22:18] <burbankboy> linuxstb: Not in this chan
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[22:18] <burbankboy> elsewhere
[22:18] <gbaman> anyone used these spindle scripts yet?
[22:18] <linuxstb> burbankboy: Most channels are logged, or you should log in your IRC client yourself.
[22:18] <gbaman> will it work without using the other scripts?
[22:19] <burbankboy> linuxstb: burbankboy> linuxstb: Not in this chan
[22:19] <IT_Sean> linuxstb: burbankboy: This channel IS logged.
[22:19] <IT_Sean> See the topic.
[22:19] <burbankboy> burbankboy> elsewhere
[22:19] <gbaman> just using 3,4,5?
[22:19] <burbankboy> IT_Sean: What the hell are you talking about?
[22:19] <burbankboy> I never said it wans't.
[22:19] <burbankboy> wasn't*
[22:19] <burbankboy> :|
[22:19] <IT_Sean> Ahh. okay. Sorreh.
[22:19] <burbankboy> Haha it's okay. :D
[22:19] <ShiftPlusOne> gbaman, if you set it up right.
[22:20] <ShiftPlusOne> gbaman, there is a lot of voodoo going on to create the images though, so you'll have to read through the first stages.
[22:20] <gbaman> hmm, I might want to run script 2 also, it looks important
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[22:31] <gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Can't seem to avoid errors like: WiringPi/wiringPi/mcp3002.c:40:24: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
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[22:36] <chupacabra> Pidora 18 (Raspberry Pi Fedora Remix) Release
[22:36] <chupacabra> We're excited to announce the release of Pidora 18 --
[22:36] <chupacabra> an optimized Fedora Remix for the Raspberry Pi.
[22:36] <chupacabra> It is based on a brand new build of Fedora for the ARMv6
[22:36] <chupacabra> architecture with greater speed and includes packages
[22:36] <chupacabra> from the Fedora 18 package set.
[22:40] <neagix> cool
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[22:40] <gbaman> hmm, spindle isnt going to be as easy as i thought
[22:41] <gbaman> it seems to have been written to not be very modular and depends on earlier scripts
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[22:46] <gordonDrogon> gadgetoid, Hm. let me check it now.
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[22:46] <gordonDrogon> gadgetoid, it compiles cleanly on a fresh install on a Pi..
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[22:48] <gordonDrogon> gadgetoid, are you using the ./build script ?
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[22:50] <burbankboy> how can i run a file on DE boot?
[22:50] <burbankboy> a bash script rather?
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[22:52] <gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: No, this is when building as part of WiringPi2-Python
[22:52] <Mogwai> burbankboy: /etc/rc.local is usually a good place to run stuff on boot
[22:52] <gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: I'll probably have to pry into your build script/makefiles and see if I can get it working
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[22:53] <gadgetoid> Works okay if WiringPi2 is pre-installed, but I'm not sure that's how it should work
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[22:53] <ozzzy> burbankboy: you could rename shutdown, halt and reboot... then create 3 scripts to replace them
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[22:53] <ozzzy> just remember to pass all the needed arguments
[22:54] <burbankboy> im confused
[22:54] <burbankboy> again, how do i run a shell script on boot?
[22:54] <burbankboy> DE boot that is
[22:54] <burbankboy> not system boot
[22:54] <burbankboy> what do i edit?
[22:56] <Mogwai> Oh, I don't know what a DE boot is .. ignore my advice :)
[22:57] <ozzzy> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=185261
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[22:58] <ozzzy> their way is much more friendly
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[23:11] <rly> Desktop environment boot?
[23:12] <rly> burbankboy: that depends on your DE.
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[23:17] <gordonDrogon> gadgetoid, just put a git clone ; ./build in your scripts then :)
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[23:27] <burbankboy> solved it :)
[23:27] <burbankboy> thx tho
[23:27] <burbankboy> Hey I've got a laptop battery
[23:27] <burbankboy> its outlet looks weird though
[23:27] <burbankboy> is there any way for me to utilize it
[23:27] <burbankboy> without buying weird adapters?
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[23:31] <SpeedEvil> generally not
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[23:31] <SpeedEvil> laptop batteries tend to be impossible to use simply
[23:31] <burbankboy> k
[23:31] <burbankboy> oh what the hell
[23:31] <burbankboy> ok
[23:31] <burbankboy> seriously
[23:31] <burbankboy> WHERE is pi's autoexec?
[23:31] <SpeedEvil> easier to chop out the cells
[23:32] <SpeedEvil> auto exec?
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[23:33] <burbankboy> yes on DE start
[23:33] <burbankboy> how do i run something
[23:33] <burbankboy> where do i put it
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[23:36] <burbankboy> anyone?
[23:36] <burbankboy> atall?
[23:36] <burbankboy> jesus
[23:36] <burbankboy> this is why windows is a better os
[23:36] <Mogwai> Clearly :)
[23:36] <burbankboy> shit just works
[23:36] <burbankboy> and you dont have to spend 3 hours trying to fix some trivial little bullshit thing
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[23:37] <burbankboy> god fucking damn it will this piece of shit just work alreay
[23:37] <burbankboy> already*
[23:38] <burbankboy> ive wasted so much god damn time and not even experts can give me a clear answers
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[23:38] <burbankboy> just wild guesstimates
[23:38] <burbankboy> what a shitty scene
[23:38] <burbankboy> god
[23:38] <burbankboy> sick of this.
[23:38] <Bushmills> ranting won't really help
[23:38] <Bushmills> in fact, it alienates people
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[23:41] <Bushmills> grab some manuals and read about System V init
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[23:48] <dan89> afternoon all, anyone in?
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[23:49] <linuxstb> dan89: 421 at the last count, including bots.
[23:49] <dan89> well, just making sure someone was awake then ;)
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[23:52] <dan89> Anyways, I am interested in making an internet alarm clock of sorts. I am going to write a php application that will write the alarm times to a sql database, that part I have a pretty good idea of how to do. What I'm not sure of, is python a good language to read from the DB, check when the alarm is supposed to sound and then do that?
[23:52] <dan89> or is using a DB a bad route to go all together? I know there are a few ways to skin this cat so I hoped someone might be able to chime in
[23:53] <kaste> what's your overall goal?
[23:53] <Bushmills> there's a service: at
[23:53] <Bushmills> that service executes commands at specified times
[23:53] <kaste> or better use 'when' while you are at it
[23:54] <linuxstb> dan89: What's an "internet alarm clock" ? Just an alarm clock with a web UI?
[23:54] <dan89> My goal is simply to make an alarm clock where I can set alarms via a web app.
[23:54] <dan89> yeah pretty much linuxstb
[23:55] <dan89> plz excuse my buzzwords
[23:55] <dan89> I am well versed in making web UIs, not so much in creating services that go off at certain times
[23:57] <kaste> is the web server with the ui running on the same box?
[23:57] <dan89> yeah, it'd be on the raspberry pi
[23:57] <linuxstb> dan89: I suspect everyone you ask could come up with a different way to do something like that. I guess it depends what programming languages you know - is it just PHP, or do you know your way around unix shell scripts for example?
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[23:58] <Alezaru> i have my raspeberry mwahahahahahahahaha
[23:58] <Alezaru> x)
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[23:58] <kaste> dan89: I suggest looking at at, when or cron with some preference for cron because I think it woudl be easiest
[23:58] <Alfihar> maybe using say cron might be an option. So a change in the web gui sets up a cron job to run at the required time, which runs the alarm action
[23:59] <kaste> you don't need any db for any of these solutions, just write out their config (that saves you immense amounts of ram)
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[23:59] <dan89> I was wondering if cron might be the best way to go, but I was wondering if that was "cheating"

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