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IRC Log for 2013-05-23

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[0:01] <Alfihar> I would go with whatever works and is easiest to implement
[0:02] <Bushmills> in general, reuse is better than redo
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[0:02] <dan89> I guess I should also mention that I plan on getting an LCD character screen and using it to display the time, I guess I could write a python script with the GPIO library to run as a service to do that?
[0:03] <Bushmills> lcd4linux
[0:04] <Bushmills> comes with a list of displays which connect to usb
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[0:05] <dan89> no GPIO? Wasn't planning on using a USB powered LCD
[0:05] <Bushmills> not sure, it has provisions for custom interfaces, but i didn't look at those too closely
[0:07] <Bushmills> alternatively lcdproc
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[0:07] <Bushmills> you're welcome
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[0:15] <linuxstb> dan64: https://github.com/MediovskiTechnology/php-crontab-manager may help ;)
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[0:34] <soundjack> hi everyone - need some advice, I have a pi running xbian on my living room but I'd like to have another tv on my bedroom and watch stuff from the 1st pi
[0:34] <soundjack> would the best option be a 2nd pi on the bedroom?
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[0:39] <Bushmills> probably - it is easier to send compressed video over a network connection than uncompressed video
[0:39] * chod votes 2nd pi
[0:40] <taza> soundjack: I can think of many ways to accomplish that, and they all cost more than a second Pi
[0:40] <taza> Hundred bucks? Requires work, but doable.
[0:40] <soundjack> taza: the idea would be to keep it low cost :)
[0:41] <taza> soundjack: Then a second Pi may actually be the cheapest thing
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[0:41] <soundjack> do you think it would suffer a bit from performance given that the 2nd pi would be reading from a samba share or similar?
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[0:42] <lysbleu> hi
[0:42] <Bushmills> performance as in, not being able to watch movies with 200 fps?
[0:43] <lysbleu> did anyone tried pidora ?
[0:43] <soundjack> something like that, and also waiting 10 more seconds after pressing play for ex
[0:45] <Bushmills> unless your player needs to scan movies for key frames prior to playing, there ought to be no ill effect
[0:46] <taza> Also, I'm serious - I cannot think of a cheaper way than an another Pi to accomplish that
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[0:47] <Bushmills> though i'd probably prefer nfs over samba
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[0:51] <soundjack> ok I see, yeah I guess I might go for a second pi then
[0:51] <soundjack> need to learn how to set up nfs shares though :)
[0:51] <Bushmills> easier than setting up a samba share
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[0:57] <ozzzy> I haven't gotten nfs to work... but samba is simple
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[0:59] <Bushmills> i have both working and nfs is simpler :)
[1:00] <ShiftPlusOne> +1 for nfs being simpler
[1:00] <ozzzy> I used to be able to get nfs to work... in the 2.4 kernel
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[1:03] <Bushmills> only user/group id remapping through ugidd i don't seem to get right
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[1:11] <blindrage> I'm currently running the 3.8.8+ kernel...what happens if i run rpi-update ? will it download the latest one it has which may not be compatible with the kernel i built?
[1:11] <blindrage> i don't plan on it, i'm just curious
[1:11] <harris> hi
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[1:13] <ShiftPlusOne> blindrage, it's a pretty simple script, you can check exactly what it does. But yes, it will replace your kernel and modules with whatever is on their git repo. You can check the options it has which can prevent that from happening.
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[1:14] <blindrage> k, i was just curious how it determined what kernel
[1:15] <blindrage> since i think 3.6.11 is the 'latest' for pull
[1:15] <ShiftPlusOne> (I am actually not 100% sure, it may have changed since last time I looked at the script)
[1:16] <blindrage> what you said is what i suspected, so i'll just keep the assumption
[1:17] <blindrage> i've looked at too much code today to wanna search the script, hence my laziness to ask here =)
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[1:27] <ozzzy> well... gook some jiggery pokery... but nfs is running
[1:27] <ozzzy> er... sharing
[1:27] <ozzzy> whatever
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[1:28] <ozzzy> used to be a lot simpler back in the day
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[1:58] <blindrage> not sure exactly what channel to ask, so i lay it in your hands =)
[1:58] <blindrage> my pi is working as an audio device as i want (mpd + bluetooth) and has wifi
[1:58] <blindrage> i want to be able to take it back and forth from work and home...2 networks, 2 sets of dns
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[1:58] <blindrage> when at work, i need to know what it's IP is when it's connected, so i can do an nsupdate...cool...
[1:59] <blindrage> but i want it to do a different nsupdate when at the house...
[1:59] <blindrage> (house has an AD box with DNS so nsupdate works here too)
[1:59] <blindrage> what's the best way?
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[2:48] <b2coutts> anyone here ver put an rpi into a case?
[2:48] <ozzzy> yep
[2:48] <b2coutts> is there some trick to it? I can't seem to get the entire thing to click in
[2:48] <ShiftPlusOne> which case?
[2:48] <b2coutts> how much pressure should I need to apply?
[2:48] <ozzzy> it should just click
[2:49] <b2coutts> not sure, it's an unmarked box, but it was $10
[2:49] <ozzzy> did you pull off the protective plastic film?
[2:49] <b2coutts> ozzzy: from the rpi? yeah
[2:49] <ozzzy> no... from the case
[2:49] <b2coutts> ozzzy: I don't think there was one
[2:50] <ShiftPlusOne> On the RS case, for example, one side goes under clips on one side and then clicks into place on the other (with a bit of force). With any case, it should be pretty straight forward. O_o
[2:50] <ozzzy> on mine every piece had plastic film on both sides
[2:50] <ShiftPlusOne> But really, you should maybe find a link to the case you're talking about or take a photo.
[2:51] <ozzzy> it should fit together easily
[2:51] <ozzzy> are the parts crystal clear or do they look 'frosted'
[2:53] <b2coutts> crystal clear
[2:53] <hydroxygen> the rca and speaker side tips into the case then snap in the hdmi side
[2:53] <ozzzy> then they should fit easily... I put mine together first by putting the pi into the lan/usb end... then fitting the bottom... then the top... then click in the SD/power end
[2:54] <ozzzy> er... sides go on when pi is in the lan/usb end
[2:54] <b2coutts> hydroxygen: I can tip the speaker side in, but the hdmi side doesn't seem to want to go in
[2:54] <b2coutts> how worried should I be about applying too much force?
[2:55] <b2coutts> I'm not pushing that hard to try to snap the hdmi part in for fear of breaking it
[2:55] <hydroxygen> k try it the other way then..one side is angled
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[2:56] <hydroxygen> looks carefull at the tabs..one side is square.and other is slightly angled
[2:57] <b2coutts> hydroxygen: tabs?
[2:57] <hydroxygen> where the board would sbap into the case
[2:57] <hydroxygen> snap
[2:57] <ozzzy> you'd better show us a picture of the case
[2:57] <b2coutts> ok one sec
[2:57] <[Saint]> blindrage: regarding your kernel version issue, you want to look into pinning packages to a specific version.
[2:58] <hydroxygen> one of my cases is clear with led pipes..it might be simular
[2:58] <[Saint]> That way you can safely update/upgrade without issue and release the pin when the repo catches up.
[2:58] <ozzzy> mine's a cheap chinese case
[2:59] <b2coutts> mine has 4 pillars in the bottom part of the case that the rpi rests on
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[2:59] <ozzzy> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Clear-Case-Enclosure-Box-Model-A-protect-your-Raspberry-Pi-Computer-A-B-/161031364284?pt=US_Computer_Case_Accessories_Tool_Kits&hash=item257e379ebc
[3:00] <b2coutts> http://imgur.com/Ua5A9y8
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[3:00] <[Saint]> that kinda looks as though you'd need to build it around the pi.
[3:00] <[Saint]> assuming it comes apart?
[3:01] <[Saint]> ozzzy: ^
[3:01] <ozzzy> ahhh... you have a different case
[3:01] <b2coutts> I don't think so; it's only half of the case
[3:01] <ozzzy> [Saint]: yep... you do
[3:01] <ozzzy> takes 20 seconds
[3:01] <b2coutts> I'm sure if I got it in this half of the case putting the top on would be easy
[3:03] <[Saint]> Oh, whoops...I mixed up who was asking what.
[3:03] <[Saint]> Coffee time.
[3:03] <hydroxygen> i have same case http://www.amazon.com/Protective-Case-Enclosure-Transparent-Raspberry/dp/B008TDBIDI
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[3:04] <b2coutts> hydroxygen: did it just go into the bottom easily for you?
[3:05] <hydroxygen> yes..it tips into one side first then snaps in the other..if i remember it goes rca/spkr side first..then snaps in the hdmi side
[3:06] <b2coutts> ok, I managed to get it to snap into the hdmi side
[3:06] <b2coutts> was just not pushing hard enough for fear of breaking it before
[3:06] <b2coutts> thanks for the help
[3:06] <hydroxygen> ayuh,, i know the feeling..the pcboard is harder than the case.
[3:06] <hydroxygen> glad to help
[3:06] <b2coutts> now time to actually get it running
[3:07] <hydroxygen> 20minutes from downloads to boot or less
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[3:07] <b2coutts> do you just download and boot from a preconfigured linux image?
[3:07] <sebsebseb> hi
[3:08] <sebsebseb> Can the Rassbery Pi run Flash ?
[3:08] <ShiftPlusOne> b2coutts, yup
[3:08] <ShiftPlusOne> sebleblanc, probably not in the way you want it to
[3:08] * sebsebseb thinks he found a useage for his Rassbery Pi or for now :d
[3:08] <b2coutts> cool, was sort of wondering how installation actually worked
[3:08] <sebsebseb> ShiftPlusOne: was that for me?
[3:08] <ShiftPlusOne> sebsebseb, yup, sorry.
[3:08] <sebsebseb> yeah I don't think Adobe ported Flash to ARM
[3:09] <sebsebseb> ARM etc
[3:09] <sebsebseb> Rassbery Pi
[3:09] <ShiftPlusOne> sebsebseb, there is gnash, but it's terribly slow.
[3:09] <b2coutts> luckily flash is on its way out
[3:09] <sebsebseb> ShiftPlusOne: yeah I was going to say I guess there may be Gnash
[3:09] <ShiftPlusOne> sebsebseb, what do you need flash for? there are probably more sensible alternatives.
[3:09] <sebsebseb> basically a deskotp here is broken, won't get fixed for a while, the person who was mainly using it, was just doing very basic stuff anyway such as going on Youtube
[3:09] <sebsebseb> so I was thinking
[3:10] <sebsebseb> why not use the Rasbery Pi instead for now then?
[3:10] <b2coutts> youtube doesn't require flash anymore
[3:10] <sebsebseb> since I got one as of last month
[3:10] <ShiftPlusOne> yes, you can get youtube working
[3:10] <sebsebseb> ,but not really used it yet, still need to conenct etc to be honest
[3:10] <sebsebseb> yes indeed Youtube
[3:10] <sebsebseb> has webm to
[3:10] <sebsebseb> ,but got to force Youtube to use webm ?
[3:10] <b2coutts> really the only use for flash is to play old games
[3:10] <sebsebseb> yes if he can have Youtube
[3:10] <sebsebseb> he should be happy enough for now I think :)
[3:10] <b2coutts> I thought youtube just worked out of the box with linux now
[3:10] <ShiftPlusOne> you can pipe it to omxplayer through some other tool, or there is also xbmc, which has youtube plugins.
[3:10] <b2coutts> without flash
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[3:11] <b2coutts> using some html5 magic
[3:11] <hydroxygen> anyone tried pidora 18 yet ?
[3:11] <sebsebseb> so I l load up the Pi let's say the OS that comes with it the default OS
[3:11] <sebsebseb> right
[3:11] <sebsebseb> I go to YOUTUBE
[3:11] <sebsebseb> and I guess by default it won't work ?
[3:11] <sebsebseb> for video
[3:12] <b2coutts> anecdotally, I recently did a desktop install of arch, installed X11 and firefox without flash, and youtube just worked
[3:12] <ShiftPlusOne> sebsebseb, I think b2coutts isn't taking into account that the pi isn't a desktop computer. I don't expect it to work that way.
[3:12] <b2coutts> lots of variables that could be changed when running something on an rpi instead but still
[3:12] <sebsebseb> ShiftPlusOne: yes it's a low powered ARM device I know
[3:12] <sebsebseb> ,but can it handle Youtube videos even so ?
[3:12] <sebsebseb> or not
[3:13] <ShiftPlusOne> it can, but not through a web browser.
[3:13] <b2coutts> sebsebseb: I mean, worst case scenario you could use a different client or something
[3:13] <sebsebseb> ShiftPlusOne: ok how to play Youtube then ?
[3:14] <ShiftPlusOne> Search the forum for posts like these http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=21435
[3:14] <harris> hi
[3:15] <ShiftPlusOne> hi
[3:15] <harris> what up
[3:15] <ShiftPlusOne> all kinds of things
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[3:16] <harris> cool
[3:17] <sebsebseb> ShiftPlusOne: is that program in the repo's or whatever for default Pi OS. I still haven't treid that to be honest etc
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[3:17] <harris> are you all adults
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[3:17] <sebsebseb> harris: nope I am a 1 year old baby and a very clever one indeed :D
[3:17] <ShiftPlusOne> harris, not all, but about 95% of us would be, I am guessing.
[3:17] <debenham> define 'adult' :P
[3:18] <harris> over 21
[3:18] <harris> of age
[3:18] <ShiftPlusOne> sebsebseb, I don't know, I don't use raspbian.
[3:18] <ShiftPlusOne> Hmm... over here an adult is 18 =/
[3:18] <sebsebseb> ShiftPlusOne: what do you use ?
[3:18] <sebsebseb> I may run other OS's later on
[3:18] <sebsebseb> ,but well I got that one with my bundle so that's where to start I guess then :d
[3:18] <harris> ShiftPlusOne, where are you
[3:18] <ShiftPlusOne> sebsebseb, arch, but I am still now sure what program you are referring to. omxplayer? that should be in the repos, but I don't know.
[3:19] <ShiftPlusOne> harris, Last time I checked, Australia.
[3:19] <sebsebseb> ShiftPlusOne: yes the one that your link mentioend
[3:20] <sebsebseb> ShiftPlusOne: well that's probably what I will be after, so thanks :)
[3:20] <ShiftPlusOne> sebsebseb, I don't know, it was just a quick google search. https://github.com/rjw57/yt has the installation instructions and such.
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[3:28] <b2coutts> any suggestions on which OS to run?
[3:28] <ParkerR> Raspbian or arch imo
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[3:30] <b2coutts> I use arch on my other machines, but I'm not really sure what I should take into account when choosing what to run on an rpi
[3:30] <b2coutts> I'll probably go with arch
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[3:32] <hydroxygen> http://raspberrypidiskimages.com/ 44 os listed.. i use wheezy and openelec
[3:33] <b2coutts> yeah, I saw that page and was kind of intimidated by all the choices
[3:33] <b2coutts> was mostly wondering if raspbian had significantly better support to the point where I should just install it
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[3:33] <hydroxygen> pidora18 is just released ..might be the next one to try
[3:33] <b2coutts> you know, I've never actually tried fedora
[3:34] <b2coutts> I should probably install that on something at some point
[3:34] <ParkerR> b2coutts, raspbian will be your best bet for ease of use and support
[3:34] <ozzzy> raspbian is close to the buntu I'm using... I'll stick with it
[3:35] <ShiftPlusOne> raspbian is pi optimized debian and it is the recommended os because debian in general is fairly beginner friendly.
[3:35] <b2coutts> ParkerR: I'd imagine so, though right now I'm just using it as a thing that plays movies and music, which would probably be trivial to do with any OS
[3:35] <ShiftPlusOne> so if you are comfortable with another os, there is no reason to stick to raspbian
[3:35] <b2coutts> and if in the future I want to do more complicated things I'd probably value the transparency of arch
[3:36] <hydroxygen> man should not be limited to just one Pi
[3:37] * hydroxygen has 2
[3:37] <hydroxygen> so far
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[3:37] <Serano> I've got 5 and I've ordered 5 more to be hosted in a colocation.
[3:37] <hydroxygen> i am so new i squeek
[3:37] <Serano> I really really love these Pi
[3:38] <hydroxygen> what os do you use Serano ?
[3:39] <b2coutts> hmm, I wonder how long a pi could survive on battery power
[3:39] <b2coutts> it would be kind of cool to get a bunch of pis, strap them to batteries and give them wifi dongles, and leave them places where they won't be moved/taken
[3:39] <b2coutts> and be able to SSH to them from anywhere
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[3:40] <b2coutts> alternatively, give it a solar panel
[3:40] <hydroxygen> 5watts per hour, figure
[3:41] <hydroxygen> 5volts x 1 amp
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[3:43] <NoProblem> Ok goto my camera module and is not working the led light comes on first boot then goes off - when I do raspivid -t 99999 I get an error starting the following
[3:43] <NoProblem> mmal: mmal_vc_component_create: failed to create component 'vc.ril.camera' (1:ENOMEM) mmal: mmal_component_create_core: could not create component 'vc.ril.camera' (1) mmal: Failed to create camera component mmal: main: Failed to create camera component
[3:44] <pksato> NoProblem: upgraded firmware and kernel?
[3:44] <NoProblem> Let me check
[3:45] <ShiftPlusOne> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-22620473 >=/ I don't like it
[3:47] <NoProblem> pksato: running 3.6.11 #461
[3:47] <NoProblem> Sorry 452
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[3:48] <pksato> not version. need build after camera module released,
[3:49] <NoProblem> Ok where do I get that
[3:49] <ParkerR> ShiftPlusOne, NOOOO
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[3:50] <pksato> if is Raspbian, just make a update/upgrade
[3:50] <ParkerR> Ive been having this continual argument with a coworker
[3:50] <ParkerR> And everytime I see him I say (g)if
[3:50] <NoProblem> Did that pksato about 5mins ago
[3:50] <ParkerR> And he always say (j)if
[3:50] <pksato> and raspi-config now have a option to enable camera
[3:51] <UnaClocker> Mmm, I seem to have completely filled the SD card on my Sheevaplug during the upgrade from Squeeze to Wheezy.
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[3:51] <ParkerR> ShiftPlusOne, Switch that. I say (j)if he say (g)if
[3:51] <ParkerR> I read that wrong
[3:51] <UnaClocker> Bad things seem to have happend.. Doh..
[3:51] <ParkerR> IWON
[3:51] <ParkerR> :D
[3:52] <NoProblem> pksato: did that and same issue
[3:52] <ShiftPlusOne> ParkerR, >=/
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[3:53] <ShiftPlusOne> This news must be a nice (j)ift to you then.
[3:53] <ParkerR> ShiftPlusOne, jiff just sounds better
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[3:55] <pksato> NoProblem: and reboot? module is correct installed?
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[3:56] <NoProblem> pksato: yes it's seating correctly just did a new sudo apt-get update and update and get a few update once finish with enable the camera again and reboot
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[3:58] <ParkerR> Did you run raspi-config?
[3:58] <ParkerR> After the update/upgrade?
[3:58] <b2coutts> I just realized I don't have anything that can write to an SD card; is it possible for me to boot the rpi off a usb, and use it to create the SD card?
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[3:59] <ShiftPlusOne> b2coutts, no. You don't have an sd card reader of any sort at all?
[4:00] <ShiftPlusOne> (not even your phone)?
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[4:01] <blindrage> finally got my pi as an all-in-one audio device =)
[4:01] <blindrage> bt, mpd that sees any drive plugged in, airplay (disabled for now though), upnp
[4:01] <ParkerR> At the very least if you have a phone that can unzip files you could do the netinstaller. All it needs is a handful of files extracted onto a fat32 partition
[4:02] <b2coutts> nah, my phone only reads mini-sd
[4:02] <ShiftPlusOne> If it's an android phone, he should be able to dd the whole image.
[4:02] <ShiftPlusOne> b2coutts, a mini to standard adapter will work just fine in a pi.
[4:02] <ShiftPlusOne> though I suspect you may mean micro... though the same applies.
[4:02] <b2coutts> yeah, micro
[4:02] <b2coutts> I don't think I have an adapter, though
[4:03] <ShiftPlusOne> hm
[4:03] <b2coutts> I'll probably just bother a friend who can deal with SD cards
[4:03] <ParkerR> Well he could be sporting a Moto q9c with miniSD slot :P
[4:04] <ShiftPlusOne> if you have a pi and nothing else to read/write sd cards, you might have a bad time.
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[4:11] <NoProblem> pksato: getting the same error message with all the updates
[4:11] <NoProblem> The led light comes on for about 3 sec on boot
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[4:11] <NoProblem> The goes of
[4:11] <NoProblem> Off
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[4:12] <pksato> no more clues... I dont have cam. mod. :P
[4:12] <NoProblem> Hmm ok
[4:12] <pksato> memory spit?
[4:12] <NoProblem> Any with a camera module that can help
[4:13] <NoProblem> pksato: it's say now armv61
[4:13] <blindrage> anyone know what provides 'nsupdate' for rpi on wheezy?
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[4:13] <nerdboy> might be able to use a camera, depending on model/transfer mode...
[4:13] <blindrage> apt-cache search /usr/{s}bin/nsupdate returns nada
[4:14] <NoProblem> 3 day now I have the camer module and can't get it to work
[4:14] <pksato> nsupdate?
[4:14] <blindrage> yup
[4:14] <nerdboy> i meant "use a generic camera as an sdcard reader"...
[4:15] <pksato> dnsutils
[4:15] <blindrage> crap i acc install bindutils thinking that's what it was
[4:15] <blindrage> i wonder why apt-cache doesn't show it
[4:16] <nerdboy> bindutils provides dig, not sure what else
[4:16] <blindrage> that must be why it was on my mind, i needed that for cygwin a few days ago
[4:16] <NoProblem> I now think a wasted my money on the camera module hmm I guess you live and learn
[4:17] <pksato> NoProblem: installed on correct connector?
[4:18] <hydroxygen> got enough power supply ?
[4:18] <blindrage> last question - anyone gotten a power switch? i've seen the mausberry and i ran across another one a few days ago that was DIY kit (soldering required) for like $12
[4:18] <pksato> NoProblem: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GImeVqHQzsE
[4:18] <NoProblem> Yeah double check the Led on the camera comes on on first boot
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[4:19] <NoProblem> The goes off
[4:19] <nerdboy> so what would be a good minimum with the camera attached? 1 A or so?
[4:19] <blindrage> the other power supply being the atx rasbpi
[4:19] <blindrage> atx raspi*
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[4:26] <NoProblem> pksato: I know it connect correctly because is boot up the pi without Sd card the LED light on the camera module stays on . Once I boot up the rpi with a SD card inserted the LED light goes on the off
[4:26] <NoProblem> Then
[4:27] <NoProblem> Tired the same camera on 2 different pi and same issue
[4:28] <NoProblem> Called element14 for a replacement and say said its not on back order and just maybe by mid June I might get a replacement
[4:29] <NoProblem> That is best case
[4:29] <NoProblem> But I shouldn't be surprised if it take until end of July
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[4:32] <NoProblem> The ensure the cable was fine I toned out each line and all were fine
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[4:33] <NoProblem> I Also measured the voltage on pin 1,2,3 and I'm getting 3.3v
[4:35] <NoProblem> From tp2 to C3 on the camera I get 3.3v
[4:35] <NoProblem> So the camera is fine
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[4:37] <NoProblem> Even getting power on c12 c13 c1 and reading 3.3v
[4:37] <NoProblem> So I am lost
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[4:38] <NoProblem> ShiftPlusOne: any suggestion
[4:39] <ShiftPlusOne> NoProblem, nope, don't have the camera myself.
[4:39] <NoProblem> ShiftPlusOne: oh
[4:41] <NoProblem> I think the firmware has not caught up with the camera hardware yet
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[4:42] <ShiftPlusOne> Post on the forum, the broadcom folks seem to be paying extra attention to camera questions.
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[4:43] <NoProblem> Will do
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[4:44] <Scriven> Is there an extension cable for the camera? The given cable seems a bit short...
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[5:26] <darkPassenger> hi all
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[6:19] <Ben64> why is omxplayer being held back from an apt-get upgrade
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[6:26] <Phosie> Hi guys, is it possible to run programs as root with x11 forwarding (specifically IDLE and anything using tkinter) without having to sudo cp ~/.Xauthority ~root/ every session?
[6:27] <IanCormac> yes
[6:27] <IanCormac> ssh -X root@box
[6:28] <Phosie> ooh! I'll try that in a min, thanks.
[6:28] <debenham> you could link the files once (and so no need to copy everytime)
[6:28] <debenham> or use sudo -E to preserve environment
[6:28] <debenham> or just ssh directly as root
[6:29] <IanCormac> I always just do the latter
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[6:30] <Phosie> My pi is suddenly refusing to let me ssh :) I'll try it shortly.
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[6:35] <Phosie> Connection refused all of a sudden...brilliant
[6:36] <IanCormac> Exciting
[6:36] <Phosie> Not quite the word I'd use.
[6:36] <IanCormac> lol
[6:39] <Phosie> Hmm, wont be able to ssh as root because I have no password and I don't feel comfortable in setting one.
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[6:40] <ParkerR> I dont understand why people dont set it sometimes. Its not like putting a password on the root accoubt is going to hurt anything
[6:40] <ParkerR> As long as you dont make it something predictable its fine
[6:40] <ParkerR> *account
[6:40] <Ben64> its less secure
[6:40] <Phosie> I just feel insecure about it.
[6:41] <ParkerR> It's only as insecure as the password used to protect it
[6:41] <IanCormac> Phosie: Use keyfiles
[6:41] <ParkerR> Something like password is much easier to guess that i34g5fd3r4
[6:41] <debenham> The reason for avoiding it is that allowing remote root login provides a 'known
[6:41] <debenham> 'login
[6:41] <debenham> As such someone only needs to determine the password - rather than a valid username and related password
[6:42] <debenham> That's why remote root login has been disallowed for many years on other unix OS's
[6:42] <IanCormac> Disable passwords for root login, use keyfiles
[6:42] <Phosie> IanCormac: How would I do that?
[6:42] <IanCormac> Let me look for a tutorial
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[6:43] <IanCormac> OK
[6:43] <IanCormac> find a tutorial online for how to generate keyfiles
[6:43] <IanCormac> i.e. run ssh-keygen on the computer you're connecting *from*
[6:43] <IanCormac> this will create two files in the /home/your_username/.ssh directory
[6:44] <IanCormac> One of these will be something like rsa.pub
[6:44] <IanCormac> copy rsa.pub and put it in (on the raspberry pi) /root/.ssh/authorized_keys
[6:44] <IanCormac> which is a text file
[6:44] <Phosie> Okay, will do that. Thank you very much
[6:44] <IanCormac> np
[6:45] <IanCormac> You might want to google "ssh keyfile tutorial" or something
[6:45] <IanCormac> but basically, the file /[user directory]/.ssh/authorized_keys contains the public keys of people allowed to login to that user over SSH
[6:46] <IanCormac> and you might have to tweak /etc/ssh/sshd_config a little bit
[6:46] <IanCormac> or /etc/ssh/ssh_config
[6:46] <IanCormac> I can't remember
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[6:47] <IanCormac> but you can say which users can do what kind of login (password vs key-based)
[6:47] <Phosie> I might have to wait, I'm having connection issues at the moment.
[6:47] <Phosie> Always happens at the most inconvenient of times
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[7:24] <ParkerR> Heh now I remember why I havent plugged in my Pi in forever. Slow as molasses :/
[7:25] <IanCormac> Doing what?
[7:25] <ParkerR> In general. Not terribly slow but compared to the other devices I've been using recently
[7:26] <ParkerR> It got toosed on the shelf as I was messing with other stuff
[7:26] <ParkerR> *tossed
[7:26] <IanCormac> I only notice low speed when doing GUI stuff
[7:26] <IanCormac> AKA noob stuff
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[7:26] <IanCormac> It's faster than I am at any other time
[7:27] <ParkerR> Heh. Might just be the SD card I'm using
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[9:01] <darkPassenger> yeah
[9:01] <ParkerR> Neah
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[9:14] <ParkerR> D: http://paste.debian.net/5926/
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[9:15] <ParkerR> So much for TV tuner on the Pi
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[9:28] <overrider> When we talk about "wear" on an sdcard, usually it refers to writing to it. To what extend does reading put "wear" on the sdcard? Same? Half? Cannot really measure?
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[9:29] <nid0> none
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[9:32] <taza> Reading a SD card causes absolutely zero wear
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[9:37] <SpeedEvil> that's not true
[9:37] <SpeedEvil> reading flash memory can cause slight wear
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[9:40] <SpeedEvil> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_memory#Read_disturb
[9:41] <ParkerR> So sorta got my TV tuner working. mplayer tv:///1 (1 for composite input) Kinda works but frames are messed up. I suppose because it's doing it in software
[9:41] <overrider> Thanks guys
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[9:47] <ParkerR> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CT4x3WO9chw
[9:48] <ParkerR> Works(ish)
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[10:06] <Darkwell> whats the interferens on then screen on the YT video??
[10:08] <ParkerR> Oh
[10:08] <ParkerR> Umm
[10:08] <ParkerR> Not sure
[10:08] <ParkerR> Thinking some USB bandwidth ussue
[10:08] <ParkerR> (issue
[10:08] <Darkwell> was it there before the suner was put into the pi ?
[10:08] <Darkwell> tuner even
[10:08] <ParkerR> Well it only happens on the Pi
[10:09] <Darkwell> i see
[10:09] <Darkwell> so does the duner interfere with the videochip or what ?
[10:09] <Darkwell> tuner even =)
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[10:10] <Darkwell> maybe it is voltage drop and not bandwidth prob ?'
[10:10] <Darkwell> or maybe both
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[10:11] <Darkwell> just curious
[10:12] <Darkwell> if you unplug the ethernet and try again ?
[10:12] <ParkerR> It seems the tv mode tries to be as "live" as it can. Maybe if I try to get it to buffer
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[10:13] <Darkwell> the thing is that i dont expect the graphics to act like that
[10:14] <Darkwell> it is like that the graphics chip is getting wrong input somehow
[10:15] <Darkwell> whats the tuner brand ?
[10:15] <ParkerR> Hauppauge
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[10:15] <Darkwell> thinking shared memory with graphics card ... and tuner...
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[10:17] <Darkwell> hmm
[10:18] <Darkwell> which model ?
[10:18] <ParkerR> WinTV-HVR-850
[10:20] <linuxstb> ParkerR: One test would be to record to a file on your Pi, then try to play that file on a PC. That will show if the USB card itself is working OK.
[10:21] <Darkwell> i would make sure that its properly powered
[10:22] <Darkwell> what i suspect is voltage drop on the usb port and/or the raspberry card
[10:22] <Darkwell> so it could be jsut to get a better powersupply
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[10:25] <Darkwell> I dnt know if this matters but : http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV-HVR-850
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[10:26] <ParkerR> I suspect power now too
[10:26] <ParkerR> TP1 to TP2: 4.01V
[10:26] <Darkwell> also
[10:27] <ParkerR> How the heck is the Pi still functioning? O.o
[10:27] <Darkwell> i dont know if it actually matters but hauppage themselves recommends a quicker machine
[10:27] <Darkwell> for your tuner
[10:28] <linuxstb> Assuming no USB issues, I would expect it to work with an app that used the GPU for display. I'm not sure if one exists though.
[10:29] <ParkerR> omxplayer but it doesnt support v4l devices
[10:30] <linuxstb> It wouldn't be too hard to write, if you can program in C. I wrote a software MPEG-2 decoder, and the display routines from there may work (displaying YUV data via the GPU)
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[10:31] <Darkwell> i would try to get an external device that encodes the data itself so only task needed is to pipe data to a file or to PGU
[10:31] <Darkwell> GPU
[10:32] <gordonDrogon> morning peeps!
[10:32] <Darkwell> http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hvr1950.html
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[10:36] <ParkerR> Oh neat
[10:36] <ParkerR> That one does clear QAM
[10:36] <ParkerR> $129 heh
[10:37] <ParkerR> Thats the one thing I wish this one did: the clear QAM broadcasts
[10:37] <ParkerR> :O Not much more than I payed for this one http://www.amazon.com/Hauppauge-1192-HVR-1950-External-Recorder/dp/B00198MYB0
[10:38] <ParkerR> That is so very tempting
[10:39] <ParkerR> "This device relieves the machine of the transcoding duties and feed an mpeg stream directly to my MythTv set-up." Sold
[10:40] * ParkerR checks to see if paycheck went in. It did :D
[10:40] <ParkerR> Darkwell, Thanks for the link'
[10:40] <ParkerR> *link
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[10:41] <gordonDrogon> Paycheck? Hm. (selfemployedhere)
[10:41] <ParkerR> Heh
[10:41] <ParkerR> This one was $240
[10:41] <ParkerR> Feels good
[10:41] <Darkwell> uw for the link
[10:42] <gordonDrogon> hopefully for only an hour's work ...
[10:42] <ParkerR> gordonDrogon, 37 hours :(
[10:42] <Darkwell> http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals#USB_TV_Tuners_and_DVB_devices <---- duners verified to word with rpi
[10:42] <gordonDrogon> Oh. better not tell you my daily rate then..
[10:43] <ParkerR> Darkwell, Neat. Thanks
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[10:43] <ParkerR> :D "Hauppauge WinTV-HVR-1950 (tested analog tuner with omxplayer)"
[10:43] <Hoerie> <gordonDrogon> Oh. better not tell you my daily rate then.. <-- cost != net pay of course ;-)
[10:44] <ParkerR> "FREE Two-Day Shipping --get it Saturday, May 25"
[10:44] <gordonDrogon> well you set the rate to take into account vat, tax, NI and travel...
[10:44] <ParkerR> <3 prime
[10:44] <ParkerR> Or I could do 1 day for 3.99
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[10:46] * ParkerR now eagerly awaits his order
[10:47] <ParkerR> Haven't treated myself in quite a while. Paychecks have been mostly going to bills.
[10:47] <gordonDrogon> maybe one day I'll get into all this "media" thing .. :)
[10:47] <Darkwell> hehe
[10:47] <gordonDrogon> still have an old "SD" tube TV.
[10:47] <Darkwell> ive been looking at video cards for security usage
[10:48] <Darkwell> at that time it was about getting a hauppage pvr 350
[10:48] <Darkwell> i think its still available at stores , used to add into a pci slot
[10:49] <Darkwell> if i recall properly you could encode 2 videostreams simultaneously
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[10:50] <Darkwell> so using that, you could have a "low end machine that only needs to write data quick enough to the disk(s)
[10:52] <ParkerR> Darkwell, Thanks again
[10:52] <ParkerR> Anyone want to buy a used WinTV-HVR-850? :)
[10:53] <Darkwell> hehe
[10:54] <Darkwell> jsut dont buy the pvr 350 , its old technology.. now i think there are upgraded/better versions
[10:54] <ParkerR> Darkwell, Already bought the 1950
[10:54] <ParkerR> :)
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[10:55] <Darkwell> cool, I think that will work well for you
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[10:56] <ParkerR> I may not even use it ont he Pi as much.
[10:56] <ParkerR> It'll just be noce to have a more solid tuner witht he add QAM tuning.
[10:56] <ParkerR> *nice
[10:57] <ParkerR> *with the added
[10:57] <Darkwell> one cool thing if you are into recording your computer activities :
[10:57] <ParkerR> What?
[10:58] <Darkwell> http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hdpvr2.html
[10:58] <ParkerR> Oh
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[10:58] <Darkwell> if you are into educating folks
[10:58] <ParkerR> Heh
[10:58] <Darkwell> you can actually record your rpi
[10:58] <ParkerR> fraps is much cheaper
[10:58] <ParkerR> :P
[10:58] <Darkwell> hehe yeah
[10:59] <Darkwell> but only for windows right ?
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[11:00] <ParkerR> Yeah
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[11:18] <Jck_true> ffmpeg can grap X11 directly as i recall
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[11:18] <jelly1> ffmpeg can record your screen for sure
[11:18] <Jck_true> http://ffmpeg.org/ffmpeg.html#X11-grabbing -- No clue if the pi can do that fast enough :)
[11:19] <jelly1> ffmpeg doesnt support encoding
[11:20] <Jck_true> I know - You would just save uncompressed - But I doubt that would be usable anyway
[11:21] <jelly1> ffmpeg is fine
[11:21] <linuxstb> jelly1: Well, it does, but just with the CPU (on all platforms, not just the Pi)
[11:21] <jelly1> there are btw numerous methods imo to capture your screen
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[11:22] <jelly1> linuxstb: well look for a gstreamer backend one ;)
[11:22] <jelly1> with gstreamer-omx
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[11:23] <linuxstb> The Pi community definitely needs more C programmers writing tools to use the GPU…
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[11:23] <jelly1> linuxstb: to use a closed source rpc api?
[11:24] <jelly1> nothanks ;P
[11:25] <linuxstb> Then why are you using a Pi? We all knew that when we bought them.
[11:25] <Jck_true> jelly1: Well the OpenGL stuffs are allready there - Just a matter of interfacing with them - That's nothing todo with the closed video core
[11:26] <jelly1> what has opengl todo with encdoing video's?
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[11:27] <Jck_true> Omx - My bad
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[11:37] <rigo88> hi
[11:38] <rigo88> i heared a lot from raspberry pi before, and i just saw that this is a really tiny thing. :) so i would like to read more about it.
[11:38] <Ben64> raspberrypi.org ?
[11:39] <rigo88> just checkin' :)
[11:39] <rikkib> rigo88, Do you know the penguin? (Linux)
[11:40] <rigo88> yes
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[11:41] <rigo88> am i seeing it right, that lot of the hardware capabilities are disabled and must be bought extra?
[11:41] <linuxstb> Not a lot, just two video codecs.
[11:41] <rikkib> rigo88, You have good head start... Just think of the machine you ran Linux on 5 - 7 ago and you will have some idea of the capabilities
[11:43] <Bushmills> more like 15 years
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[11:44] <rikkib> That's a bit harsh :)
[11:44] <rigo88> i c. so it cant play the x264 hd?
[11:44] <linuxstb> Yes, it's just MPEG-2 and VC-1 you need the license for. The price of the Pi already includes the H264 license.
[11:44] <Bushmills> multi-gigabyte RAM with 2400...3000 (equiv) clock was not uncommon 5-7 years ago
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[11:47] <rigo88> well the price has the h264 licence but if it's like a 5-7 (or 15) yrs old computer than it is simply not strong enough to play the hd videos :)
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[11:47] <linuxstb> rigo88: It's a 15 yr OLD CPU, but a modern GPU.
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[11:48] <KayGridley> morning all
[11:48] <gordonDrogon> the Pi has been equated to (roughly) somewhere between a PIII//333 and maybe PIII/500 ... Those were the desktops & servers of about 14-15 years ago.
[11:48] <RaTTuS|BIG> ^ the arm side yes but the video core is much much better
[11:48] <linuxstb> rigo88: For video playback, the CPU just shuffles the H264 data unchanged (more or less) to the GPU, and the GPU does the rst.
[11:48] <linuxstb> ^rest.
[11:49] <gordonDrogon> I have a PIII/800 sitting next to me - with a massive 8GB IDE HDD and 512MB of RAM ... Actually, I might re-image in with Linux just for a comparision. (currently has Win 2K on it!)
[11:49] <rigo88> would be gr8 if it had a tv tuner too. or can i use an usb tv tuner with it?
[11:49] <ParkerR> I have a server sitting next to me with 4 PIII 700mhz
[11:50] <ParkerR> rigo88, Sorta
[11:50] <ParkerR> Depends on tuner
[11:50] <ParkerR> http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals#USB_TV_Tuners_and_DVB_devices
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[11:50] * linuxstb is currently watching live TV on his Pi with a USB DVB-T tuner
[11:50] <Ben64> i just have mythtv on my desktop and i can play stuff over the network
[11:50] <rigo88> thanks :) it's just like a normal linux, or does it need a special release like i.e the dreambox uses?
[11:51] <Ben64> well its ARM not x86
[11:51] <Ben64> theres raspbian, has the most support for it
[11:52] <linuxstb> rigo88: Well, it needs special releases of normal linux ;) See http://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads
[11:53] <Triffid_Hunter> rigo88: from what I can see, raspbian is pretty vanilla debian, just targeting arm6hf instead of x86
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[11:53] <rigo88> ah. i would like to install xbmc (what supports it afak), tvheadend and oscam. i know that this lastone is illegal BUT i dont have the opportunity to watch channels of my homeland. i already pay for the channels to the provider in the land where i came for, i simply re-share the keys for only myself.
[11:53] <Triffid_Hunter> rigo88: there's an arch image floating around somewhere, and a few folks are doing the gentoo thing
[11:53] <rigo88> i better read after. is there any way to virtualize the hardware?
[11:53] <rigo88> just to try out what it can and what it cant..
[11:54] <linuxstb> rigo88: The Pi's CPU won't cope with descrambling TV
[11:54] <Triffid_Hunter> rigo88: only if you have a host that understands arm6hf instructions, otherwise you must emulate rather than virtualise
[11:54] <linuxstb> (well, perhaps some SD channels, but not if you want to run xbmc on the same Pi as well)
[11:56] <rigo88> right. the cpu is weak for that.
[11:57] <linuxstb> Personally, I would run tvheadend and oscam on a real PC, and just use the pi as a client.
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[11:57] <rigo88> the dreambox has 350 or 400 mhz cpu however it decodes only the sd channels and after an hour i have to turn off and on to get the sound in the right place :)
[11:58] <linuxstb> STBs are likely to have hardware descrambling.
[12:01] <rigo88> ok. well i better re-think this :D
[12:02] <rigo88> maybe an asus at3iont-i deluxe with a nice case would be a better choice.
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[12:03] <rigo88> in my case. of corse the thing is awesome its small, uses less power than a mobile phone charger, and it can play hd videos. but i need more. so this is not my device, BUT i think i'll try it out just to have fun..
[12:03] <rigo88> is it easy sellable if i buy one for 40euro can i sell it for i dont know... 35? :)
[12:04] <linuxstb> rigo88: I think the Pi is great as a client - small, very low power, integrated CEC support, but you need to be aware of its limitations.
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[12:06] <rigo88> yop.. the power cable is an usb cable? or do i have to buy glasses?
[12:06] <linuxstb> Yes, a micro-usb socket.
[12:07] <linuxstb> Make sure you get a good quality power supply, capable of at least 1A
[12:08] <KayGridley> Before I spend hours researchign the possibly impossible, is it feasible to set up a webcam attached to a pi, streaming audio and video wirelessly to a second pi which acts as a webserver for a private wireless network?
[12:08] <KayGridley> I've already got the 2nd pi set up and working beautifully as a little wireless webserver, just not sure about adding the webcam side of things
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[12:12] <Ores> Hi
[12:12] <KayGridley> hi Ores
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[12:13] <Ores> I just got my first Pi, and I'm having a few issues
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[12:14] <Ores> I've flashed the card with the Occidentalis v0.2 (using dd). I connect the power, PWR goes red (continuous), ACT blinks green once
[12:14] <linuxstb> KayGridley: I'm not sure of the state with generic webcams, but you would get good results with the official RPi camera (no audio though)
[12:15] <Ores> I've tried reflashing, different power sources, different microsd/adapter. Should i try a different image? or is there something simple i'm likely to be missing?
[12:15] <KayGridley> linuxstb: problem is that I need the audio, basically we're thinking of using it for a training scenario we run. Syndicates work in separate rooms monitored from a central control room... at the moment we're using baby monitors :)
[12:16] <Guest61080> Regarding RTP streaming with gstreamer, i was successful using this resource: http://pi.gbaman.info/
[12:16] <linuxstb> KayGridley: You could always stream audio independently. I think it's worth it for the extra quality you would get with the RPi camera
[12:16] <Guest61080> + using RTP, you can merge both stream (video + audio)
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[12:17] <KayGridley> Guest61080: that was one of the bits I was looking at
[12:17] <linuxstb> Yes, I assume gstreamer could handle theat.
[12:17] <linuxstb> Shame there's no mic input on the PI.
[12:18] <KayGridley> linuxstb: it was gstreamer that I'd come across but needed to do a LOT more reading about, hence checking this was feasible first
[12:18] <piranhaxx> true :/
[12:18] <KayGridley> am I right in thinking that the separate audio stream would have to go via something other than the pi then?
[12:18] <linuxstb> No, you could use a USB audio stick
[12:18] <piranhaxx> maybe you can use a USB microphone
[12:19] <piranhaxx> yep
[12:19] <piranhaxx> do we have an "official USB stick for audio"
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[12:20] * piranhaxx brb
[12:20] <KayGridley> piranhaxx: any idea if the appoge mics could work?
[12:20] <KayGridley> drat sorry
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[12:21] <piranhaxx> Kay: gtg but i dig this when i come back :)
[12:21] <KayGridley> nps, cya later
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[12:30] <KayGridley> ok my second question, if im using pi1 to take a stream from a webcam and push it out via a wireless connection, am I going to overburden it by also expecting it to be able to run a webbrowser over the wifi and/or play the occasional video?
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[12:34] <gazzwi86> supervisors isn't starting my script on reboot: https://gist.github.com/gazzwi86/5635111
[12:34] <gazzwi86> thse are my install instructions but its not starting the script. The script runs fine manually
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[14:03] <aaa801> Android is driving me mad :(
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[14:05] <gildean> aaa801: why are you messing with android?
[14:05] <aaa801> gildean, App for personal use, got my pc hooked up to tv, on other wide of room
[14:05] <aaa801> media player clasic has a web interface
[14:06] <aaa801> so trying to make a app to emulate it without having to get off my but and change the file every so often hehe
[14:06] <aaa801> my http post code works fine on desktop, if i stick the exact same code into a android app, it won't work!
[14:09] <aaa801> aha
[14:10] <aaa801> forgot to get the app to request network access
[14:10] <aaa801> :facedesk:
[14:12] <pwillard> Android<->Java I hear jamie hyneman say "There's your problem" ;-)
[14:13] <aaa801> lol
[14:13] <aaa801> =/ no idea why but there seems to be 5 second network lag over wifi from the phone, to a local ip =/
[14:14] <pwillard> eww
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[14:16] <aaa801> he dead
[14:16] <Younos> hiya
[14:17] <aaa801> ello
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[14:17] <Younos> i just made a simple noob breadboard circuit with one transitor and a led, and the base of that led is connected to an arduino pin
[14:18] <Younos> i'd like to do the same thing with the rasp gpio
[14:18] <ozzzy> Younos: base or gate
[14:19] <Younos> i prolly should google first on 'programming rasp gpio' or something?
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[14:19] <ozzzy> and yes.. .you can do the same with a rpi gpio
[14:19] <Younos> the signal is on the base of the transistor
[14:19] <ozzzy> if you're using a fet though... make sure you pick a fet that can turn on with 3.3v
[14:20] <Younos> i hope so, yes :) hmm i can check that
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[14:24] <Younos> ok led lights up, just more faint
[14:25] <gildean> aaa801: why aren't you just using the web interface from your mobile device?
[14:26] <aaa801> because its just horid
[14:26] <aaa801> gildean, http://i.imgur.com/iH17Wf9.png
[14:26] <aaa801> i dread to think what that would look like on my phone :P
[14:26] <gildean> aaa801: nice
[14:27] <aaa801> mhm, i could set up a forwarder tho
[14:27] <gildean> aaa801: wouldn't it be easier just to write some css for that frontend and not write another one?
[14:27] <aaa801> ^^
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[14:27] <aaa801> i only realy need the skip and pause buttons, il just add another html file in
[14:30] <pwillard> The difference between RPI and Arduino GPIO is voltage... 3V versus 5V so unless you adjusted the value of the LED current limiting resistor... it *will* be more dim with the lower voltage
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[14:33] <piranhaxx> do you guys rather use arduino + specific arduino (such as Alamode or other arduino card that can be plugged on RPI GPIO) or do you use directly RPI GPIO to interface with electronic ?
[14:33] <aaa801> gildean, I found something muchy better
[14:33] <aaa801> gildean, http://i.imgur.com/gRVqH0V.png
[14:33] <aaa801> :P
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[14:33] <pwillard> Ohms Law takes a pound of flesh... once again.
[14:34] <pwillard> personally, I prefer to mate an arduino with a rpi
[14:34] <aaa801> O_O
[14:34] <aaa801> you can get dirt cheap arduinos on aliexpress
[14:34] <aaa801> i got two megas for �20
[14:35] <piranhaxx> and so you plug RPI and arduino thru USB, right ?
[14:35] <aaa801> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/MEGA-2560-R3-ATmega2560-AVR-USB-board-free-USB-cable-ATMEGA2560-atmega16u2-funduino-2560/615708856.html
[14:35] <pwillard> So I let arduino interface with all the 5V stuff I have... and plug arduino into a USB port (via powered hub) and use the virtual TTY.
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[14:36] <pwillard> Then I use something like Python to "munge" the serial data into something useful...
[14:36] <piranhaxx> nice, do you really have to power the arduino with external power ?
[14:37] <aaa801> depends how good your ps is
[14:37] <piranhaxx> aaa801: that s cheap for a arduino mega, indeed
[14:37] <pwillard> In my case currently this is for a weatherstation... Arduino does all the sensor processing (since I'd already built it) and rpi does all the "presentation" IE; mongo database/last bit calculations/web presentation.
[14:38] <aaa801> piranhaxx, thats 2 megas
[14:38] <aaa801> on the link
[14:38] <piranhaxx> oh yeah
[14:38] <piranhaxx> pwillard: nice, do you a blog where you describe your installation?
[14:38] <aaa801> shame about the long postage, but for the price :3
[14:38] <piranhaxx> hehe, true
[14:38] <aaa801> wait a min
[14:38] <aaa801> just noticed its a clone
[14:39] <aaa801> o well, aslong as its the same chips ha
[14:39] <pwillard> I perfer to use an external powered hub. I'd rather not tax the onboard stuff...(and I did experience some issues that were fixed by using the hub)
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[14:40] <pwillard> well, I have not really documented my weather station stuff much... though over the next 3 months I plan to focus on the rpi presentation side of it.
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[14:40] <pwillard> http://pwillard.com/ My blog. fwiw
[14:40] <piranhaxx> pwillard: thx
[14:43] <pwillard> I basically tore apart my java/Pc based solution that had hardware failure last year. so now I'm sort of in limbo with the project
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[14:44] <gildean> pwillard: idk how you're going to implement your server, but i made something a bit similar just a few days ago, maybe it'll be of some use to you: https://github.com/gildean/PiTherm
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[14:45] <gildean> i also spent last night and a couple of hours today playing with the gpio-pins and leds and buttons, made this small application for fun: https://github.com/gildean/raspi-ledblinker
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[14:50] <gordonDrogon> Younos, http://wiringpi.com/examples/blink/
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[14:53] <pwillard> Oh cool
[14:56] <gordonDrogon> gildean, so that runs in a browser and it's the javascript in the browser that's signalling the local gpio pins?
[14:56] <piranhaxx> gildean: nice, do you find it easy to use GPIO?
[14:57] <gordonDrogon> gildean, or is it standalone?
[14:58] <gildean> gordonDrogon: browser, the application is the http- and websocketserver
[14:59] <gordonDrogon> ok
[14:59] <gildean> piranhaxx: yes, fairly so, especially with modules that abstract the pins like the one i'm using in the ledblinker
[14:59] <pwillard> I just implemented Node.js on my rpi... so I'm kinda impressed at the moment.
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[15:00] <gildean> gordonDrogon: clicking on a button sends json through the websocket which is then parsed on the server and if it has the right properties, then the server executes the functions with the provided values
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[15:01] <gildean> the changed values are then broadcast back to all the connected clients, so for example if you press a button to turn on a led on one client, the change shows up instantly on another client
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[15:02] <piranhaxx> but if you need to control hardware a bit more complex than a LED, say a servo, do libraries still exist?
[15:02] <gildean> the latency on the websockets is really small as the connection is persistent, which is nice especially for interacting with something physical
[15:02] <piranhaxx> nice
[15:02] <gildean> piranhaxx: yes, but it's not hard to write your own either
[15:02] <pwillard> Being new to node.js, I was quite surprised to see a lot of haters while doing my research.
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[15:03] <piranhaxx> gildean: ok i see, probably on the shelf, i wouldn't wanna write my hardware driver tho :/
[15:03] <gildean> pwillard: idk what's to hate? i really like node myself, and it runs on the pi really well
[15:04] <piranhaxx> pwillard: node.js is sometimes hated because ppl dont want javascript on the server side of the application
[15:04] <piranhaxx> actually, i think it should be used in parallel with a traditionnal Web server
[15:05] <piranhaxx> i really like this article http://maxburstein.com/blog/realtime-django-using-nodejs-and-socketio/
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[15:05] <piranhaxx> for this matter
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[15:05] <gildean> imo on a small app like this there's no need for a separate server, it just slows things down
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[15:06] <piranhaxx> obviously you wouldn't want 2 servers for a small app, indeed
[15:06] <pwillard> Yeah. I started looking at how modular and clean Node.js works... and I thought "perfect".
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[15:06] <gildean> on something larger having a proxy and a separate server for static files it makes sense tho'
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[15:06] <Ores> Hooray, I'm up and running now. I semi-accidentally just built a nightlight
[15:07] <piranhaxx> :)
[15:07] <pwillard> I'm currently using one of my rpi's just for "learning new stuff" so it mongodb and node.js installed.
[15:07] <gordonDrogon> I've got some old peer to peer & peer to multicast libraries I used for some other projects I was planning to hook into wiringPi - to allow you to use another Pi as a remote gpio device..
[15:07] <gildean> pwillard: which version of mongo are you running on your rpi?
[15:08] <gordonDrogon> I think it would be neat, but I suspect not many people might have a use for it!
[15:08] <piranhaxx> pwillard: great idea imo (also as a ref: http://www.amazon.com/dp/1449337392)
[15:08] <pwillard> Mongodb is pretty cool. I'm moving away from mysql and sqlite
[15:09] <gildean> pwillard: it is, i'm just wondering which version you're using, afaik there's no official support nor version for armv6?
[15:09] <piranhaxx> pwillard: i think SQL and NoSQL db are totally different and you can't switch only depending on your tastes
[15:09] <pwillard> I mean, it's not for everything... but I can see where it makes more sense to use mongo to drive what's behind a website database. I'm considering using it to make my electronics parts collection db
[15:09] <pwillard> It took a while to build mongo from source.
[15:10] <piranhaxx> gordonDrogon: go for it please :)
[15:10] <piranhaxx> is mongodb C++ ?
[15:10] <piranhaxx> or java ?
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[15:13] <pwillard> I have in my notes r2.1.1 but I made a few builds... not sure if that's still correct
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[15:16] <timmmaaaayyy> i built a image that we're going to deploy into a bunch of computers. i expanded the default raspbian image to 2.3Gb, but when I dd the card to my desktop, it does the full size of the SD card. How can i make the dd only copy the 2.3 Gb?? http://pastebin.com/794T847b
[15:17] <pwillard> Ok, yeah... just checked. Mongo db version v2.1.1-pre-
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[15:18] <pwillard> ls
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[15:20] <kaste> timmmaaaayyy: it depends on how you dd
[15:20] <timmmaaaayyy> i just sudo dd bs=1m if=/dev/rdisk5 of=Desktop/raspi_dash.img
[15:20] <timmmaaaayyy> i bet the rdisk isn't helping me
[15:20] <kaste> I guess you did something like dd if=/dev/sdb of=... but you only want to save /dev/sdb?
[15:21] <kaste> hmm
[15:21] <gildean> pwillard: ok, hopefully someone works on it a bit so we can get 2.4 on th rpi
[15:21] <kaste> what's rdisk?
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[15:21] <timmmaaaayyy> it does the raw bits i think.....just makes it go way faster
[15:22] <timmmaaaayyy> but that could be why it doesn't know about the partitions maybe
[15:22] <pwillard> Agreed.
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[15:22] <gildean> timmmaaaayyy: you could use something like partimage instead to only save the actual data: http://www.partimage.org/Main_Page
[15:23] <gildean> or even better, abstract that process by using clonezilla: http://clonezilla.org/
[15:24] <timmmaaaayyy> ok cool. i'll check these out. thanks.
[15:24] <pwillard> The github repositories are pretty stale for non-x86 gildean
[15:25] <gildean> pwillard: for mongo? yeah i noticed when i was looking at them a couple of weeks ago
[15:27] <carado> IT_Sean, turns out I had tried all combinations, except other SD card *and* other distro, which works. and the duracell battery works fine.
[15:27] <IT_Sean> ahh
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[15:29] <pwillard> FYI: I got the impression that mongo would not compile on a 256MB pi
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[15:31] <Hopsy> can I boot radpberrypi with an usb?
[15:31] <Hopsy> stick
[15:32] <Hopsy> with mobiadapter
[15:32] <gordonDrogon> timmmaaaayyy, rdisk? Is that on a Sun or Mac thingy?
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[15:36] <Jck_true> Hopsy: No - It has to boot from SD - But nothing keeps you from having rest of your system located on a USB device
[15:36] <RaTTuS|BIG> https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-wVpmzjcKbHg/T6GN3MAgm8I/AAAAAAAAGW0/wZaKyJpTkgI/w320-h180-no/02.05.12+-+1
[15:36] <RaTTuS|BIG> oops wrong window
[15:36] <Hopsy> Jck_true: watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=RFjILceH8do
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[15:39] <Jck_true> Hopsy: Hmm - the best advice i can give you is... "Maybe" - But don't be disaapointed if it doesn't
[15:39] <pwillard> ^^^ I so agree
[15:40] <gildean> Hydra: you mean like usb -> microsd -> minisd -> sd
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[15:40] <Jck_true> Hopsy: May I ask why you're interrested in using that? SD cards are dead cheap
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[15:43] <timmmaaaayyy> gordonDrogon: i'm using a mac. i thought you could do it on anything linux tho...i could be wrong
[15:43] <Hopsy> Jck_true: I would like to test the speed of it
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[15:45] <Jck_true> Hopsy: Well.. Since you got the hardware for it? Why not try it?
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[15:46] <gawen> is there a way to use level-triggered interrupts on the RPi ?
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[15:47] <D4CH_RPi> sudo nano /etc/fstab
[15:47] <D4CH_RPi> oops
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[15:49] <Jck_true> gawen: Not much :(
[15:50] <Jck_true> gawen: Only change interrupt - Gotta make it in hardware otherwise
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[15:51] <gildean> maybe use multiple pins to emulate leveled interrupts?
[15:51] <gildean> but it would still only be stepped
[15:51] <Jck_true> http://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/BCM2835-ARM-Peripherals.pdf
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[15:52] <Jck_true> Actually - Datasheet mentions Level detect....
[15:53] <Jck_true> I'm gonna stop talking about stuff I know nothing about
[15:53] <gordonDrogon> timmmaaaayyy, mac ought to be ok too - it's just a long time since I saw any reference to /dev/rdisk - used to be a sun thing
[15:53] <gordonDrogon> you can get interrupts off the pins into user-land code...
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[15:56] <gawen> Jck_true: bcm2708_gpio.c in the kernel doesn't support level-triggered interrupts
[15:57] <Jck_true> gawen: Hardware then - What you doing btw?
[15:58] <gordonDrogon> edge triggered ones work.
[15:58] <gawen> Jck_true: it's a driver for a 802154 transceiver which use a gpio pin for its interrupt line
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[15:59] <pecorade> Hi.
[15:59] <Jck_true> gawen: Listen to gordonDrogon - I don't think you need level triggering
[16:01] <gawen> that driver used edge-triggered interrupts but we noticed bugs which should be fixed with level-triggered interrupts
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[16:01] <gawen> that's why I'm trying to use them, otherwise I would stick with edge triggering.
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[16:24] <gordonDrogon> a level is just an edge after the event.
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[16:25] <gordonDrogon> they're used when you're or'ing interrupts together - so you clear one level, and another is still set, so you get another interrupt to the cpu.
[16:25] <gordonDrogon> If there is only one interrupt source per input pin, then an edge one ought to work in the same way.
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[16:30] <gawen> the problem is that we sometime miss the falling edge when the interrupts come too quickly
[16:30] <hydroxygen> pidora is alive
[16:30] <dreamreal> yep
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[16:31] <gawen> so the line stays low and we don't even know that we missed anything
[16:31] <gordonDrogon> maybe the Pi's not the right platform then. or the way you're programming it.
[16:32] <Firehopper> a latch?
[16:32] <gordonDrogon> how many int/sec? wiringPi tops out at about 66K/sec.
[16:32] <gordonDrogon> the kernel can handle more, so if you code your stuff as a kernel module that would help.
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[16:32] <gawen> that's a kernel module actually
[16:32] <gordonDrogon> a-ha...
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[16:33] <gordonDrogon> what are you doing that needs that many ints/sec ?
[16:34] <gawen> its a network device so I'm flooding the channel to test it
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[16:37] <gordonDrogon> looks like you might have found its limits...
[16:37] <gawen> it's connected with spi, and we need to read a register to de-assert the interrupt
[16:37] <gordonDrogon> or the Pi's ...
[16:38] <gordonDrogon> Pi's SPI driver has rather a lot of latency too - unless you're poking it directly.
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[16:39] <rymate1234> SPI?
[16:39] <gawen> well I guess polling the register would save the day in case of missed intterupts or spi errors
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[16:43] <gawen> but the main author would like to avoid straight-up poll if at all possible
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[16:49] <gordonDrogon> wait for interrupt. (a:) process data. poll chip to clear int & see if more data - if more then goto a: exit
[16:50] <gordonDrogon> GOTO Lunch:
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[17:04] <cousteau> is it legal to resell raspberry pis?
[17:05] <ShiftPlusOne> yes
[17:05] <cousteau> with no license needed or anything?
[17:05] <ShiftPlusOne> correct
[17:05] <ShiftPlusOne> you'd need a license to manufacture them yourself
[17:05] <Chaz6> doctrine of first sale
[17:05] <Chaz6> Might want to check export regulations, not sure if you're country is allowed to sell them to certain other countries
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[17:05] <cousteau> also, is it legal to build a machine to make money based on RPi? (e.g. arcade machine)
[17:06] <ShiftPlusOne> cousteau, yes
[17:06] <ShiftPlusOne> cousteau, the only thing they care about in terms of things like that is the trademark.
[17:06] <ShiftPlusOne> cousteau, as long as you don't call it "Raspberry Pi Arcade" or anything like that.
[17:07] <Younos> hiya, i've made a little gpio program with the writingPi library, i'd like to rewrite it so it makes use of pure linux calls.. what do i google for?
[17:07] <ShiftPlusOne> cousteau, http://www.raspberrypi.org/trademark-rules
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[17:09] <cousteau> ShiftPlusOne, I see, thanks!
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[17:10] <ShiftPlusOne> cousteau, also check the faq "You don’t need any special licence to resell, and they’re very happy to sell on to resellers. Unfortunately, because of the way the pricing model (and the fact that we’re a charity) works, you won’t be able to get a discount for bulk – what most resellers are doing is using it as a way to sell high-margin peripherals and so on."
[17:11] <cousteau> I see, thanks a lot!
[17:11] <ShiftPlusOne> np
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[17:27] <cousteau> what about "RaspberryPi powered"? Is that ok?
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[17:30] <ShiftPlusOne> cousteau, no idea, not a lawyer. Feel free to email liz if you're not sure.
[17:32] <gordonDrogon> Younos, you could start by simpy looking at the wiringPi code and taking out the bits you want - however you're not really going to gain anything in terms of speed - might be educational though. (oh, and there are no pure linux calls - just direct access to the memory mapped hardware)
[17:33] <gordonDrogon> actually, you do get a discount for bulk now.
[17:33] <gordonDrogon> RS have the best margins - or so I'm told.
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[17:34] <gordonDrogon> so if you want to buy by the (e.g.) 100 (or more), then you can save quite a bit if you get from RS or Farnell.
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[17:36] <cousteau> ShiftPlusOne, seems to be ok. "You may only use the Raspberry Pi Word Mark [...] to state or indicate that another product [...] works with [...] our products."
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[17:38] <dreamreal> wiringPi is really fast, in my experience - certainly fast enough
[17:38] <ShiftPlusOne> cousteau, that would be my call as well, but I don't want to say so with 100% certainty. "Powered by Raspberry Pi" seems to be the safer choice than "Raspberry Pi powered". But I wouldn't worry too much about it.
[17:39] <cousteau> ok, thanks!
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[18:17] <gordonDrogon> Hm. I have a Pi that doesn't reboot without a power cycle )-:
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[18:18] <gordonDrogon> sits at the nice colour screen.
[18:18] <gordonDrogon> most odd.
[18:19] <aaa801> gordonDrogon, tryed swaping out the boot files, might be a buggy firmware
[18:19] <aaa801> a recent one screwed over alot of the new pi's
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[18:20] <gordonDrogon> aaa801, think it might be power - swapping PSUs first.
[18:20] <gordonDrogon> this is a new PSU.
[18:21] <aaa801> aha
[18:22] <aaa801> still, a soft reboot should use less power then a power cycle
[18:22] <aaa801> as it spikes when enabling the lan chip
[18:22] <gordonDrogon> it's been OK until now - with the new PSU in the past few days.
[18:23] <gordonDrogon> ok - trying with another psu ..
[18:23] <gordonDrogon> and its booted fine.
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[18:23] <gordonDrogon> (rebooted fine)
[18:23] <aaa801> :3
[18:23] <gordonDrogon> weird.
[18:23] <gordonDrogon> and annoying.
[18:24] <aaa801> gordonDrogon, i acidently bought two unduino clones
[18:25] <IT_Sean> How do you accidentally buy something??
[18:25] <aaa801> it came up with a bunch of search results for unduino;s
[18:25] <aaa801> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/MEGA-2560-R3-ATmega2560-AVR-USB-board-free-USB-cable-ATMEGA2560-atmega16u2-funduino-2560/615708856.html
[18:25] <aaa801> aparantly it uses the same chip
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[18:25] <aaa801> so it SHOULD still be ok
[18:26] <gordonDrogon> PSU reads 5.0 on another Pi (TP1/TP2)
[18:26] <aaa801> by any chance did you knock that stupid capicator off gordonDrogon ?
[18:26] <gordonDrogon> Funduino.
[18:27] <gordonDrogon> no - not managed to knock anything off a Pi yet.
[18:28] <gordonDrogon> Hmph. well there you go. both boards now reboot OK.
[18:28] <aaa801> got to flash my phone in a min
[18:28] <gordonDrogon> yet another Pi power mistery...
[18:28] <aaa801> i think the flash is going south
[18:28] <aaa801> =/
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[18:31] <gordonDrogon> maybe want to fly south for winter... except it's spring/summer here :)
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[18:37] <aaa801> gordonDrogon, http://i.imgur.com/mm7jSG9.png
[18:37] <aaa801> one of the many series of errors it spews off regulary
[18:37] <aaa801> :p
[18:39] <geordie> gordonDrogon: hi.
[18:39] <geordie> gordonDrogon: how does one power the pi from the gpio pins?
[18:40] <aaa801> hookup +5v to pin 2?
[18:40] <ShiftPlusOne> geordie, http://triffid-hunter.no-ip.info/101_0059.JPG
[18:40] <geordie> ShiftPlusOne: thanks
[18:40] <ShiftPlusOne> np
[18:41] <aaa801> o hell naw, logcat died
[18:41] <IT_Sean> aaa801: apply 5vDC to the 5v pin, and ground the gnd pin.
[18:41] <aaa801> Yep IT_Sean
[18:42] <geordie> thanks
[18:42] <aaa801> GAH why does the pi behave better then my phone
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[18:43] <gordonDrogon> geordie, you put 5v into the 5v pin on the gpio connector...
[18:44] <geordie> thanks
[18:44] <gordonDrogon> aaa801, I've no idea what a 'dun' is ...
[18:44] <geordie> a friend is having issues with his network mysteriously dropping out when he uses a usb webcam
[18:44] <gordonDrogon> it could well be power...
[18:44] <aaa801> the error is basicaly a invalid location being pressed on screen
[18:44] <aaa801> like.. off of the current screen
[18:45] <geordie> gordonDrogon: i tell him he needs to rule out power issues...
[18:46] <ShiftPlusOne> Unless he has a scope, he might not be able to rule out power issues =/
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[18:47] <aaa801> my phone was generating soo many criticial error's that logcat commited suicide
[18:47] <aaa801> q_q
[18:47] <ShiftPlusOne> but yeah, it's either power or heavy network/usb use.
[18:48] <geordie> ShiftPlusOne: we're lucky in that we have access to a scope at our local hackerspace
[18:48] <geordie> http://hackspace.ca/
[18:48] <aaa801> geordie, did you see the post on raspberrypi.org about the underwater pi ?
[18:48] <ShiftPlusOne> ah
[18:48] <aaa801> that was made at my local hackspace :3
[18:49] <geordie> aaa801: i'm not sure if i did but i think so, a few weeks back perhaps.
[18:49] <aaa801> this one was posted yesterday
[18:50] <geordie> oh no i didn't then, will check it out right now
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[18:51] <geordie> the vancouver hackspace, or VHS, just moved into a new location. we're very excited. big party on june 15th; anyone able to attend is invited
[18:52] <ShiftPlusOne> Move it a few continents closer this way and I'm there =D
[18:52] <geordie> i'll get on that right away
[18:53] <ShiftPlusOne> excellent
[18:54] <pwillard> Vancouver Canada or Washington?
[18:54] * SpeedEvil wishes there was a nearby hackspace
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[18:55] <aaa801> Flash ALL the files
[18:55] <bertrik> SpeedEvil: you could start one
[18:55] <SpeedEvil> I just want a filliment winder, carbon-carbon composite manufacturing facility, Os/Ir fabrication, ...
[18:56] <geordie> pwillard: vancouver canada
[18:58] <aaa801> I love how fast rom instalation is on androids
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[19:07] <gordonDrogon> I've never re-flashed a phone...
[19:07] <gordonDrogon> I need to factore reset my phone to recover google apps, but I don't think I'll bother.
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[19:07] <ozzzy> geezus.... $4 ea for power fets at the local emporium.... $3.50 for a pack of 10 on ebay
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[19:08] <gordonDrogon> ozzzy, sure. tell me what, tell me how long it will take you to open that pack, and re-pack them individually, pay rent on the store and say hello and give advice to people who come in ..
[19:08] <ozzzy> oh... I know
[19:08] <ozzzy> and I pay the $4 if I need them now (which I did)
[19:09] <ozzzy> but I also ordered the pack of 10 for later
[19:09] <gordonDrogon> however the day the local store gives you duff advice or is generally awkward ....
[19:09] <gordonDrogon> :)
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[19:12] <ozzzy> I had NOT ONE logic level fet in the house
[19:16] <dwery> hello, I'm using the following pipe to transcode mpeg2 to h264: gst-launch-1.0 filesrc location=in.mkv ! matroskademux name=demux demux. ! mpegvideoparse ! omxmpeg2videodec ! queue ! x264enc ! mp4mux name=mux ! queue ! filesink location=output.mp4
[19:16] <dwery> I'm now trying to do the encoding part with omx
[19:16] <SpeedEvil> ozzzy: standard FET plus a CR2032
[19:17] <dwery> using omxh264enc instead of x264enc
[19:17] <SpeedEvil> ozzzy The nice thing about this is you have built in obscelecance.
[19:17] <dwery> but it fails with ERROR: from element /GstPipeline:pipeline0/GstOMXH264Enc-omxh264enc:omxh264enc-omxh264enc0: Internal data stream error
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[19:23] <ozzzy> SpeedEvil: if I felt like messing I could put an opto in and put 12v on the gate of the irf530
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[19:36] <Robbilie> https://plus.google.com/u/0/104570761961091773330/posts/S9CQynNsJf4
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[19:37] <Robbilie> offtopic: is there a way to push a video shared on g+ to youtube? :)
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[20:19] <thesov> stupid question but where the hell is the trashbin in the rpi?
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[20:20] <rymate1234> dunno
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[20:22] <ShiftPlusOne> Is there meant to be one? O_o
[20:22] <thesov> im trying to setup a script to clear it at boot, but i cant seem to find it on the FS
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[20:23] <pwillard> why would it have a trashbin?
[20:23] <thesov> i dont know but it does
[20:23] <thesov> if you open file manager in the gui it has it
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[20:23] <pwillard> huh, never cared enough about the gui to look, silly me.
[20:23] <ShiftPlusOne> Then it's probably a feature of that file manager. Is it pcmanfm?
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[20:24] <thesov> well im setting up a pi for my neice and i dont want her 4 gig sd card to get full
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[20:24] <arcanescu> raspivid -t 9999999 doesnt seem to run it for infinite time
[20:24] <arcanescu> eventually it does stop
[20:24] <arcanescu> :/
[20:24] <arcanescu> how do u make it go infinite.... :/
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[20:25] <thesov> raspivid -t 1/0
[20:25] <thesov> no im kidding
[20:25] <gryphraff> A forum post said the trash is kept in ~/.local/share/Trash/files/
[20:25] <thesov> ahh thanks!
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[20:25] <arcanescu> thesov: funny
[20:26] <gryphraff> Always run mine without a GUI, so I can't verify that.
[20:26] <arcanescu> thesov: making jokes are we?
[20:26] <ShiftPlusOne> That might be DE-specific though, but I guess that's not a problem here.
[20:27] <rymate1234> oh guys
[20:27] <thesov> heh sorry
[20:27] <rymate1234> just want to put it out there that compiling on the Pi
[20:27] <rymate1234> is a bad idea
[20:27] <kaste> o'rly
[20:27] <rymate1234> it works
[20:27] <kaste> depends on how many you got
[20:27] <rymate1234> albeit very slowly
[20:27] <rymate1234> kaste, one
[20:28] <rymate1234> 256MB one
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[20:28] <thesov> when you use the overlock kernel setting, does it require more power on the input?
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[20:29] <ShiftPlusOne> I don't think the difference would be significant, especially given that it wil scale the frequency and you don't always be using and cpu and the gpu at 100%. The ethernet chip is actually what uses the most power.
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[20:32] <thesov> i just got my mini heatsinks and i want to try 1gig
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[20:32] <ShiftPlusOne> .... =|
[20:32] <thesov> i just want to be sure i dont need like 6v on the input to do it
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[20:32] <ShiftPlusOne> No, it doesn't work like that at all
[20:32] <ShiftPlusOne> it will always be 5v
[20:32] <ShiftPlusOne> and the heatsink you got is a absolutely useless.
[20:32] <thesov> i see it has a voltage regulator, but is that processor controlled?
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[20:33] <ShiftPlusOne> A voltage regulator controls itself.
[20:33] <thesov> why is it useless? i actually already had them, i do electronics
[20:34] <ShiftPlusOne> thesov, because 1) the pi does not get hot enough to need cooling 2) you'd be putting it on top of the ram chip, which does not affect the cpu temperature.
[20:34] <thesov> wait the cpu is under the ram chip...?
[20:35] <ShiftPlusOne> yes, PoP https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Package_on_package
[20:35] <thesov> the samsung chip is ram, i figured the other one is the cpu
[20:35] <thesov> wtf... that is not cool. gah
[20:35] <ShiftPlusOne> I think when you say 'the other one' you're talking about the ethernet/usb chip.
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[20:36] <thesov> well it should still wick away heat, just not going to do it very well
[20:36] <rymate1234> I should totally setup a compiling cluster with my phone and the Pi
[20:36] <rymate1234> they're both armv6
[20:36] <ShiftPlusOne> If you're overclocking to about 1.2GHz, then it might be a good idea to put a fan on the underside of the board, but you're probably going to run into issues at that clock rate anyway.
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[20:37] <rymate1234> ShiftPlusOne, I get issues at 950Mhz!
[20:37] <thesov> to install python-sympy too 800 megs of space...
[20:38] <ShiftPlusOne> rymate1234, that sucks. you sure your power supply is ok?
[20:38] <rymate1234> I'm sure ti's ok
[20:38] <rymate1234> pretty sure it isn't enough to power it though
[20:38] <rymate1234> it's fine at 900mhz
[20:39] <thesov> i got this pi hooked to a 5amp 5v linear regulator. it can draw however much it wants
[20:39] <rymate1234> I have a charger from a kindle
[20:39] <rymate1234> :D
[20:40] <ShiftPlusOne> thesov, through gpio or the microusb port?
[20:40] <thesov> microusb
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[20:40] <ShiftPlusOne> then it cannot draw how much it wants, since there is a polyfuse that limits it.
[20:41] <thesov> wtf...
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[20:41] <thesov> oh shit its under
[20:41] <thesov> didnt see that
[20:42] <ShiftPlusOne> and to keep disappointing you further, mind the language and check the topic.
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[20:42] <thesov> doh
[20:43] <rymate1234> yay geary mail compiled
[20:43] <kaste> ShiftPlusOne: I Beg to differ, the pis do get hot depending on your casing
[20:43] <ShiftPlusOne> kaste, above 75 degrees?
[20:43] <rymate1234> kaste, which is why I have the best casing ever
[20:43] <rymate1234> NONE!
[20:43] <kaste> is that celcius or fahrenheit?
[20:43] <ShiftPlusOne> celcius 'course
[20:43] <pwillard> I have a case with No holes from Adafruit (laser cut) and after running days 24/7... it's hardly warmer than body temp
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[20:45] <kaste> I am a little worried, they probably won't go that far, but brace yourself, summer is coming. We stacked 20 in a 2HE rack and for various reasons they have a normal plastic casing in there as well and they get higher than I'd liek them to
[20:45] <thesov> I need to get a bigger flash, 4 gig isnt cutting it
[20:45] <kaste> thesov: are you putting media on there as well?
[20:45] <kaste> my install is tiny
[20:46] <thesov> no, just installed python 3
[20:46] <ShiftPlusOne> thesov, yeah, it's on the low side for a full desktop.
[20:46] <thesov> and that took a gig
[20:46] <kaste> during install or after?
[20:46] <thesov> after
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[20:46] <kaste> I have a hard time believing that
[20:46] <thesov> 800 MB
[20:46] <thesov> not quite 1 gig
[20:46] <thesov> but still not much space left
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[20:49] <grindax> has anyone tried Pidora 18?
[20:49] * djazz is running three pi servers: http://i.imgur.com/xg2mAmY.jpg
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[20:49] <djazz> owncloud, webserver (nginx, some node servers, irssi), web radio server
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[20:51] <kaste> isn't ownclowd dead again
[20:51] <djazz> dead?
[20:51] <IT_Sean> deceased.
[20:51] <djazz> are there any better solutions?
[20:51] <IT_Sean> no longer living.
[20:51] <pwillard> HAH! the Lego openframe case.
[20:51] <IT_Sean> devoid of life function
[20:51] <IT_Sean> gone off to the great beyond
[20:52] <IT_Sean> pushing up daises
[20:52] <djazz> i dunno, last update was in May 14th
[20:52] <IT_Sean> 6 feet under
[20:52] <nid0> no, owncloud is actively developed
[20:52] <kaste> hmm must have mixed it up
[20:52] <djazz> I'm running Arch, i assume I have the latest version
[20:52] <rymate1234> I just use google drive
[20:52] <thesov> is the pi usefull as a apache webserver?
[20:52] <nid0> yes
[20:53] <kaste> I'd still use something lighter
[20:53] <rymate1234> thesov, nginx is better on the pi, speed wise
[20:53] <djazz> i use nginx, much faster than apache
[20:53] <thesov> does it have the public_html automation thing apache has?
[20:53] <djazz> apache spawns lots of processes
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[20:53] <djazz> hm?
[20:54] <nid0> if you're running static content you will get a slightly smaller footprint with lighty/nginx, if you're running php content you might just as well use apache if you're familiar with it
[20:54] <thesov> you can configure apache so that if a user creates a "public_html" folder they can put a website in there and the server auto publishes it
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[20:54] <djazz> my apache webserver on the middle pi handles about 7000 requests per day
[20:54] <thesov> it becomes http://server/~username
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[20:54] <djazz> 2000 of them are php requests
[20:55] <djazz> thesov: nginx is very configurable
[20:55] <thesov> but i need it to have that same thing, all my users use that for their websites
[20:55] <djazz> hm
[20:55] <thesov> i add the domains manually and point them to those folders
[20:56] <nid0> nginx does have a mod
[20:56] <nid0> _userdir equivilent, yes
[20:56] <thesov> sweet!
[20:56] <djazz> http://wiki.nginx.org/UserDir
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[20:57] <nid0> frankly though, if you're familiar with apache and want decent performance (in pi terms anyway), a simple 3 node cluster with varnish and apache works excellently
[20:58] <djazz> varnish on a pi?
[20:58] <nid0> ofc
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[20:58] <djazz> i used to have a nginx loadbalancer
[20:58] <djazz> for my pi webserver
[20:58] <djazz> but now I only have one for webserver
[20:59] <djazz> http://wiki.nginx.org/LoadBalanceExample
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[21:00] <nid0> various people regularly ask about getting decent performance from wordpress etc on a pi here, spent a while a few months back getting a 5 node load-balanced pi cluster up with varnish as a frontend, worked beautifully
[21:00] <djazz> anyone wanna set up a webradio server? like mine? http://djazz.mine.nu:1337/
[21:00] <djazz> nice
[21:00] <djazz> havent tried varnish
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[21:00] <ShiftPlusOne> djazz, any excuse to spam your ponies, ey? >_<
[21:01] <djazz> ShiftPlusOne: i dont have any other music I can stream without pay?
[21:02] <djazz> you can make music suggestions on the page, but it must be music I can stream
[21:02] <dwery> so..nobody is doing hardware h264 encoding here? ;)
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[21:04] <ShiftPlusOne> dwery, I am not, but the forum seems to return hell of a lot of info on it.
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[21:05] <dwery> ShiftPlusOne: I googled quite a bit but found nothing 100% reproducible, especially regarding command line utilities. will head to the forum. ty.
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[21:06] <ShiftPlusOne> I'll see if I can find something =/
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[21:09] <qazwsxnate> Rasbian does boot with ssh and dchp, right? I have a hdmi cable, but no monitor with hdmi input =/
[21:09] <dwery> qazwsxnate: yes
[21:09] <ShiftPlusOne> qazwsxnate, yup
[21:09] <qazwsxnate> Thanks. I really should think these things through more.
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[21:09] <ShiftPlusOne> dwery, tried omxtx?
[21:10] <dwery> ShiftPlusOne: yes. I was unable to make it work.. tried with several different input files
[21:11] <ShiftPlusOne> Sorry then, no idea.
[21:11] <dwery> thanks anyway!
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[21:11] <dwery> the rpi has an high potential.. but lacks a bit on the encoding sw front
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[21:12] <qazwsxnate> I have a bit of a project that I'm working on for fun, but I don't really have much experience with electronics. I want to make a quadcopter with the pi as the brain. How should I go about it controlling the motors?
[21:12] <geordie> qazwsxnate: the pi also has composite video out
[21:12] <dwery> qazwsxnate: https://code.google.com/p/owenquad/
[21:13] <qazwsxnate> Thanks!
[21:13] <Amadiro> qazwsxnate, well, you'll need controllers for the motors
[21:13] <Amadiro> how you would then in turn control those controllers from the rpi, depends on what kind of interface the controllers give you
[21:14] <gordonDrogon> I always thought the Pi would be not quite good enough for a quadcopter, but someone is already doing it.
[21:14] <Amadiro> gordonDrogon, good enough in what terms?
[21:14] <gordonDrogon> Typical ESCs needs a radio-control servo type signal
[21:14] <gordonDrogon> Amadiro, not real-time enough.
[21:14] <Amadiro> gordonDrogon, yeah, but I guess you can get around that if you give your control process real-time priority and keep the rest of the system clean
[21:14] <gordonDrogon> Amadiro, it's more than fast enough - a 16MHz 8-bit processor can do the calculations in more than enough time.
[21:15] <Amadiro> maybe offload some of the timing critical stuff to external MCUs
[21:15] <gordonDrogon> Amadiro, one issue is that you have no control over the dynamic memory refresh, which is (AIUI) non deterministic.
[21:15] <gordonDrogon> however, someone has one flying, so it might well be good enough.
[21:15] <Amadiro> why is that an issue
[21:16] <gordonDrogon> the memory stops working, thus stalling the ARM every now and then.
[21:16] <Amadiro> gordonDrogon, hmm, I'm very sceptical that that is a very long stall, got any numbers?
[21:17] <gordonDrogon> go google it. search for the people who did the pianalyser thing.
[21:17] <gordonDrogon> that's the final issue they ran up against.
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[21:17] <gordonDrogon> but it's quite possible that it's not an issue - someone is already flying a quad with the Pi...
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[21:18] <Amadiro> gordonDrogon, wikipedia indicates that it would be in the microsecond-rate, and that refreshing can be staggered
[21:18] <Amadiro> range
[21:18] <gordonDrogon> I think you can now get ESCs with I2C interfaces too - that might be much easier to interface.
[21:18] <gordonDrogon> Amadiro, we have zero control over the refresh - it's done by the GPU.
[21:18] <Amadiro> well, yeah
[21:19] <Amadiro> but it may be staggered, who knows
[21:19] <Amadiro> at any rate, measuring it would be nice
[21:19] <gordonDrogon> a good fast storage scope ought to help.
[21:19] <Amadiro> but controlling quadcopters probably allows for a timing margin of a few milliseconds
[21:19] <gordonDrogon> a lot depends on the response time of the motors
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[21:20] <Amadiro> I can control a quadcopter, and according to humanbenchmark.com the average response time is over 200ms
[21:20] <gordonDrogon> especially on smaller craft - however the Pi, being the power hungry beast it is will be on slightly bigger units - just for the batteries alone ;-)
[21:21] <gordonDrogon> computers are better at controlling :)
[21:21] <gordonDrogon> stick twidding is old fashioned. I want a button that say 'up' ...
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[21:21] <gordonDrogon> 'takeoff', 'land', etc.
[21:22] <qazwsxnate> Can i get to the raspi config window from ssh?
[21:22] <nid0> yes
[21:22] <Amadiro> qazwsxnate, yes, type "sudo raspi-config"
[21:22] <gordonDrogon> qazwsxnate, yes. just type sudo raspi-config
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[21:46] <qazwsxnate> Is there away for me to access the gui over the network?
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[21:46] <chris_99> try ssh -X xeyes
[21:46] <aaa801> vnc or x forwarding
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[21:48] <qazwsxnate> Thanks
[21:49] <gordonDrogon> vnc is faster than ssh -X type forwarding, but ssh -X is convenient for a single application rather than a while desktop
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[21:53] <\\Mr_C\\> once the image is written, how to i expand the space to use the full cd card?
[21:54] <gildean> \\Mr_C\\: the raspi config menu has that option for you, no need to do it manually
[21:54] <\\Mr_C\\> i dont have that installed
[21:54] <\\Mr_C\\> is there another way?
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[21:56] <gildean> \\Mr_C\\: sure, usually the easiest one is to plug the storage device to another computer runnin linux, and use an application like gparted to expand the partition
[21:56] <\\Mr_C\\> thank you
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[21:57] <gildean> i think the script on the raspi config does it at boottime, but i'm not sure how
[21:57] <nid0> you can do it from a running pi fine
[21:58] <gildean> while the partition is mounted?
[21:59] <nid0> just run fdisk, delete the current partition, write a new one using the whole pi's space, then reboot and run resize2fs
[21:59] <gordonDrogon> you can do it live.
[22:00] <gordonDrogon> this is old now, but has all the runes: https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/initial-setup1/
[22:00] <gildean> nid0: that would delete all your data as well
[22:00] <nid0> no it wouldnt
[22:00] <nid0> partitions != data
[22:00] <gordonDrogon> +1
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[22:02] <gildean> still. hugely more complicated than just sticking the storage device to another computer and running something like gparted
[22:02] <nid0> no it isnt, it takes like 1 minute, couldnt be any more straightforward if it tried
[22:03] <nid0> its even less complicated than how easy it is in drogon's guide up there ^ because more recent raspbian builds dont include a swap partition to get rid of
[22:04] <gildean> it is if you don't know fdisk, then you need to read up on the man pages and think about things, it's a lot easier to use something in which you can just click around without even knowing what you're doing
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[22:05] <blindrage2> i see a file i want as 'sid' (unstable), how do i download it ?
[22:05] <blindrage2> ie. what do i enable to get access to it via apt
[22:05] <kaste> gildean: only if you find clicking less confusing than reading :p
[22:05] <nid0> fdisk /dev/mmcblk0 d 2 n 2 122880 w reboot resize2fs /dev/mmcblk0p2
[22:05] <nid0> done
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[22:06] <gildean> nid0: yeah, but if you don't know the incantations, then you'd spend some time figuring it out
[22:06] <nid0> or 5 seconds reading any of the like thousand guides telling you exactly how to do it command by command :\
[22:07] <gildean> or just use a graphical tool where you don't need to read anything and can just click a couple of times
[22:08] <gildean> the time you'd spend on reading any guide or manpages, you'd already be done with a nice tool
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[22:11] <gordonDrogon> \\Mr_C\\, how did you get on?
[22:11] <\\Mr_C\\> get on what?
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[22:12] <gordonDrogon> with the resize?
[22:12] <\\Mr_C\\> have not tried it yet
[22:13] <gordonDrogon> ok
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[22:15] <\\Mr_C\\> can i use cfdisk?
[22:16] <gordonDrogon> not sure if has the control to specify the right starting sector.
[22:16] <gordonDrogon> try the 'u' command in it.
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[22:16] <gordonDrogon> you can always fiddle with it as long as you don't do the final 'W' command.
[22:16] <gordonDrogon> but fdisk is easy - just look for the numbers described on that web page.
[22:17] <blindrage2> anyone using mpd on their PI?
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[22:30] <gbaman> when doing apt-get update on a pi image i am getting
[22:30] <gbaman> W: GPG error: http://archive.raspberrypi.org wheezy Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 82B129927FA3303E
[22:31] <gbaman> anyone any ideas?
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[22:35] <gildean> gbaman: for some reason you're missing the gpg key for that repo, i'm not sure if the key is provided by a keyserver or added manually, so i'm not sure which is the correct solution for that
[22:35] <gbaman> i am building an image from scratch
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[22:35] <gbaman> but wasnt a problem before...
[22:36] <gbaman> only started happening
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[22:38] <gildean> gbaman: ok, i think you could just add it manually, download the key here: http://archive.raspberrypi.org/debian/raspberrypi.gpg.key
[22:38] <gbaman> already tried
[22:38] <gildean> then run: sudo apt-key add raspberrypi.gpg.key
[22:38] <gbaman> with wget http://archive.raspbian.org/raspbian.public.key -O - | sudo apt-key add -
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[22:40] <gbaman> might it have something to do with keys.gnupg.net being down?
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[22:44] <\\Mr_C\\> gbanan
[22:44] <\\Mr_C\\> oh
[22:44] <\\Mr_C\\> yea what he said
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[23:33] <steve_rox> anyone got a page on powering the rpi from the gpio? i tryed the forum search but apparently the phrase is too common
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[23:34] <ozzzy> you can power one from the gpio... but you'll be bypassing the fuse
[23:34] <ShiftPlusOne> steve_rox, there's not much to.
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[23:34] <steve_rox> i just need to know the pins and the risks
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[23:35] <steve_rox> the poly fuse?
[23:35] <bsdfox> power from gpio or from the pin headers?
[23:35] <ShiftPlusOne> steve_rox, http://elinux.org/Rpi_Low-level_peripherals http://triffid-hunter.no-ip.info/101_0059.JPG
[23:35] <mathewkeeton> Hello all, Is there a way to know which decode_MPG2 is for which cpu serial? I have multiple pis and unsure if my lack of video on mpg file is because it's the wrong pi or the video.
[23:35] <ozzzy> I'd assume the pin headers... but folks just use 'gpio' for all of them
[23:36] <steve_rox> which is the easyest?
[23:36] <ShiftPlusOne> steve_rox, the risks are the obvious ones. If your pi draws too much corrent for the internal traces to handle you might have a bad time (so it may be better to power through usb instead)
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[23:36] <steve_rox> is it possible to solder 2 wires onto the board to keep the poly fuse in the loop?
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[23:36] <ozzzy> yep
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[23:37] <steve_rox> one website suggested soldering to tp1/2 but i dunno about that
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[23:37] <ozzzy> http://www.togastro.com/ozzzy/images/pihack1.png
[23:37] <ozzzy> don't overheat the fuse
[23:38] <steve_rox> i have a 12w soldering iron to work on delicate things
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[23:39] <steve_rox> or i could use the normal gpio pins and put my own pollyfuse in its line
[23:39] <ozzzy> http://www.togastro.com/ozzzy/images/pihack2.png
[23:39] <ozzzy> you could do that too
[23:39] <ozzzy> 750m
[23:39] <ozzzy> 750mA slow
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[23:39] <steve_rox> not sure i have a polly fuse rated that
[23:40] <steve_rox> guess its a solder point to pcb job
[23:40] <ozzzy> as I recall it's 'hold 750' and 'trip 1200'
[23:40] <ozzzy> but don't quote me
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[23:40] <steve_rox> think the solder direct to points on board is easier
[23:40] <ShiftPlusOne> steve_rox, why do you think you need the polyfuse? The designers of the pi don't seem to be too worried about anything happening to the internal traces and I haven't heard of anything bad happening to anyone here by bypassing the polyfuse.
[23:40] <bsdfox> man what are you guys doing that's drawing so much current?
[23:41] <mathewkeeton> I paid for the mpg2 lience but had no proof it work after putting it in the config.txt
[23:41] <mathewkeeton> is there a way to check if its the file or the pi codec issue?
[23:41] <steve_rox> what happens if usb out shorts or draws too much?
[23:41] <pksato> mathewkeeton: play some dvd. (vob files)
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[23:42] <pksato> steve_rox: smoke?
[23:42] <mathewkeeton> don't have any?
[23:42] <steve_rox> yeah thats why i dont exactly wanna cut out the polly
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[23:44] <ShiftPlusOne> steve_rox, why do you want to power through gpio? many people do it for the purpose of bypassing the poly. You can just use a microusb plug and supply from whatever source you need.
[23:44] <steve_rox> the host/case im placeing it in is limited space so usb wont fit
[23:45] <ShiftPlusOne> ah
[23:45] <ShiftPlusOne> steve_rox, well, tp1/tp2 won't do, since tp1 is after the polyfuse.
[23:45] <steve_rox> plus it a bit of a waste of a usb cable+converter plug if i leave it in
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[23:46] <steve_rox> dont see why they have to make so many varients of usb connectors
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[23:47] <steve_rox> thanks for the jpg's anyways ill give it a go in a bit
[23:48] <ShiftPlusOne> steve_rox, if you insist on doing it that way, you can connect to tp2 and directly to the proper side of the polyfuse.
[23:48] <ShiftPlusOne> I am not sure what the physical orientation is on the board.
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[23:49] <steve_rox> i dont exactly insist on it , it just seems the best option presented at the moment
[23:49] <ozzzy> I put a dmm on the polyfuse and the diode.... the end going through the fuse showed .3 ohm
[23:50] <ParkerR> What's going on?
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