#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2013-05-24

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[0:05] <darkPassenger> anybody has tried pyOwnCloud ?
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[0:07] <ShiftPlusOne> I have... didn't find it usable.
[0:08] <darkPassenger> I'm searching for a dropbox alternative,
[0:08] <ShiftPlusOne> tried sparkleshare?
[0:08] <ozzzy> http://www.togastro.com/ozzzy/images/pi_on_tripod.png
[0:08] <darkPassenger> never heard of it
[0:08] <darkPassenger> ill google it!
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[0:09] <ShiftPlusOne> I haven't tried it myself, but it looked like it might be something worth giving a go.
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[0:16] <darkPassenger> the only dependency is git ,
[0:16] <darkPassenger> nice
[0:16] <darkPassenger> ill give it a shot I think .
[0:16] <ShiftPlusOne> let me know how it goes, I am too lazy to do it myself
[0:17] <quaisi> unison is also an alternative but unsure how it works on a pi
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[0:18] <darkPassenger> me neither,
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[0:19] <ShiftPlusOne> quaisi, thanks, I remember seeing that a long time ago, but have completely forgotten about it.
[0:19] <darkPassenger> hopefully i can just mount a remote repo and clone it
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[0:19] <darkPassenger> dropbox repo , that is.
[0:20] <quaisi> good luck
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[0:20] <maskas> hello
[0:20] * Mogwai throws http://barracudadrive.com into the mix
[0:20] <Mogwai> Heard some good things .. has Pi packages
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[0:21] <maskas> was wondering if someone could help me, im trying to set my gpu_mem but for some reason regardless of the value I input it stays fixed at 64 MB
[0:22] <darkPassenger> so there are some solutions after all
[0:22] <darkPassenger> i guess im dead scared of transfering all my stuff from dropbox to <unknown>
[0:22] <Mogwai> maskas: Odd .. what does "cat /boot/config.txt | grep gpu_mem" say
[0:23] <steve_rox> says meow
[0:23] <darkPassenger> and winked
[0:23] <maskas> mogwai: root@xbian:/boot# cat /boot/config.txt | grep gpu_mem
[0:23] <maskas> gpu_mem=128
[0:23] <maskas> root@xbian:/boot#
[0:24] <steve_rox> actually it says 128
[0:24] <ShiftPlusOne> maskas, firmware up to date?
[0:24] <pksato> maskas: have gpu_mem_256 or gpu_mem_512?
[0:24] <qazwsxnate> I have g++ installed and I have g++-4.7 installed, but g++ -v gives me 4.6 How do go about changing that? Just uninstall 4.6 and do an alias? or will that mess me up later?
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[0:25] <maskas> shiftplusone: its not the newest but fairly new, i'm using xbian so have to stick with their release
[0:25] <maskas> the funny thing is, it was working with 128 MB
[0:25] <darkPassenger> ive been fairly disapointed in bmc's pi so far
[0:25] <maskas> i added another paramater into my config.txt and since they its started ignoring the gpu_mem
[0:26] <maskas> i've also tried removing that parmater but no help
[0:26] <maskas> my raspberry pi is a 512 version. tried gpu_mem_512 as well, same problem
[0:27] <pksato> you sure that changing correct config.txt?
[0:27] <maskas> its /boot/config.txt, is there any other?
[0:27] <ShiftPlusOne> maskas, it might best to seek help from the xbian folks, or try raspbian to see if you're running into the same problems.
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[0:29] <Mogwai> maskas: Did you by any chance try to use any of the cma dynamic memory options in there? cat /boot/config.txt | grep cma ?
[0:29] <maskas> mogwai: nope no cma options
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[0:29] <brainwash> maskas: gpu_mem=16 didn't work for me, so i removed the start_file= and fixup_file= lines (http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=44429)
[0:30] <Mogwai> hmm, then stumped is me .. go #xbian :)
[0:30] <maskas> brainwash: no start_file or fixup_file defined
[0:31] <qazwsxnate> I think I figured it out. I uninstalled g++-4.6 and then made a symlink from /usr/bin/g++ to /usr/bin/g++-4.7
[0:31] <qazwsxnate> That won't mess up when it updates, will it?
[0:31] <pksato> qazwsxnate: user some tools do change alternatives seting.
[0:31] <pksato> update-alternative ?
[0:31] <maskas> mogwai: will ask there too
[0:32] <pksato> update-alternatives g++ ?
[0:32] <qazwsxnate> pksato: Not sure what update-alternative is. Sorry, I'm fairly new to unix. What should I google? just update alternatives?
[0:33] <qazwsxnate> sudo update-alternatives g++ says g++ is not a recognized command
[0:33] <qazwsxnate> Do set?
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[0:34] <darkPassenger> so theres a pi package (sparkleshare), !
[0:34] <maskas> is there anywhere else that gpu_mem could be set through?
[0:34] <ParkerR> As far as I know only /boot/config.txt
[0:34] <ParkerR> Or raspi-config
[0:34] <ParkerR> Which sets that file
[0:35] <qazwsxnate> pksato: Okay. I have it figured out. thanks
[0:36] <qazwsxnate> I should run update-alternatives --install /usr/bin/g++ g++ /usr/bin/g++-4.7
[0:36] <qazwsxnate> ?
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[0:36] <maskas> strange this problem makes no sense
[0:37] <Mogwai> maskas: A bit far-fetched but maybe your boot partition is not getting mounted … "mount | grep /boot"
[0:37] <pksato> qazwsxnate: I dont know. how use update-alternatives to set gcc. or its is not have alternatives.
[0:38] <maskas> mogwai: /dev/mmcblk0p1 on /boot type vfat (rw,relatime,fmask=0022,dmask=0022,codepage=cp437,iocharset=ascii,shortname=mixed,errors=remount-ro)
[0:38] <Mogwai> Heh, looks good
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[0:40] <Mogwai> maskas: "vcgencmd get_mem gpu" ?
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[0:41] <maskas> vcgencmd get_mem gpu
[0:41] <maskas> error=1 error_msg="Command not registered"
[0:41] <maskas> root@xbian:~#
[0:42] <Mogwai> Heh, odd .. maybe it's a recent addition .. nevermind
[0:42] <maskas> i checked my cpu memory though through dmesg, its 448 M so, GPU is getting the default 64
[0:43] <sover> Hi all. We're interested in the potential of using a raspberry pi solely as an rdp client. I haven't tried rdesktop on a raspberry pi and was about how usable it is.
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[0:43] <sover> *and was curious
[0:44] <ParkerR> Should be fine
[0:44] <steve_rox> i managed to get rdp working on mine
[0:44] <ParkerR> freerdp is another good viewer
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[0:45] <sover> Ah, we're looking for speed here, as we want to provide this as an option to some of our staff. They'd be using it to interact with a few windows applications and perhaps a few web pages viewed through the browser on the terminal server.
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[0:45] <darkPassenger> man my computer is killing me
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[0:45] <sover> It doesn't have to do video playback, but will it be fast enough that our employees can feel like they're able to do their job? (enter numbers into a windows or web form...)
[0:45] <Firehopper> http://pidora.ca/ < fedora for pi!
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[0:46] <ParkerR> sover, Should be perfect for that
[0:47] <sover> excellent. I'm not sure if any of you have any experience with compliance, but sometimes you have to tell managers that they and their employees can't use their regular work machines for certain tasks, and in response, they ask what they should use and who's going to pay for it.
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[0:48] <sover> Enter remote desktop, hopefully. Thanks for you help everyone. Oh – lastly, is there a specifically light-weight distro that I should consider over raspbian?
[0:49] <ParkerR> Raspbian will be the best for support and ease of use
[0:49] <number1235> Agreed with ParkerR. Arch will be the lightest, but with lots of setup involved.
[0:50] <ParkerR> Well with arch you would only need to setup on one Pi, then you can image the SD card and flash to others
[0:50] <sover> Thank you for the responses. So perhaps the initial releases could be Raspbian and we can work towards an Arch version.
[0:51] <sover> ParkerR: that's exactly what we need to do. We need to maintain and support these, and if we can just keep and image and a few pre-imaged sd cards lying around, that would make life so much easier.
[0:51] <sover> *keep an image and
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[0:54] <kaste> why does it need to be light-weight for your task?
[0:54] <kaste> or possibly light-weight in what way?
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[0:55] <sover> mostly we're just trying to minimize overhead in hopes that we can make the rdp client run as smoothly and be as responsive as possibly
[0:55] <sover> *possible.
[0:55] <sover> Our users are going to be unhappy enough not being able to use their normal machines for this task.
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[0:57] <kaste> why take a pi then? Why not just use something smallish with a little more horsepower?
[0:57] <kaste> I fear the main issue will be network throughput here and the pi really isn't that great in this department
[0:59] <sover> oh I see. Something smallish and bigger would work, but it's the budget we're balancing here
[0:59] <sover> do you know something slightly more powerful that scales fairly evenly with its price?
[1:02] <darkPassenger> 777 mb of dropbox
[1:02] <darkPassenger> my lucky day
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[1:05] <ParkerR> Heh
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[1:12] <newtony> hi all
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[1:13] <newtony> i have a question about ndiswrapper... does it work on raspi or will it work only with x86/x64 machines?
[1:13] <ShiftPlusOne> won't work on a pi afaik
[1:13] <K4k> Hi, I'm having trouble moving / from the sd card to a usb hard drive. I'm powering all USB peripherals from a powered USB hub. I moved / using "dd if=/dev/mmcblkp2 of=/dev/sda1 bs=4M" and then ran fdisk to delete /dev/sda1 and re-create it at the full size of the disk. Followed that with resize2fs /dev/sda1 to expand to the new size and changing the root in cmdline.txt but I keep getting no init found
[1:13] <K4k> kernel panics. Is there something I'm missing?
[1:13] <K4k> (sorry for the lengthy explaination)
[1:14] <ozzzy> I needed to use wicd to get my wifi going
[1:15] <kaste> sover: there's plenty but I don't recall their names. There is the the cubieboard which still only has 100mb but the chip is not behind two usb hubs iirc, similar for the ug802. Then there is the apc one and once it's out i'd go for the adapteva.
[1:15] <kaste> Also there was one with at least one gigabit ethernet port but I can't find it anymore
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[1:17] <sover> ah, that does make sense
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[1:31] <djazz> ShiftPlusOne: better? http://djazz.mine.nu:1337/ :P
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[1:32] <ShiftPlusOne> djazz, heh, I don't have a problem with your content, I just found it interesting how you'd use any excuse to promote it =D
[1:32] <K4k> is it still possible, even with a powered usb hub, that my no init found issue is due to insufficient power to the usb disk?
[1:33] <Firehopper> could be
[1:33] <djazz> ShiftPlusOne: :D
[1:33] <Firehopper> measure the voltage going to the hard drive
[1:33] <djazz> https://plus.google.com/u/0/113878221242502678865/posts/SRfB8hNYVWe
[1:34] <K4k> Firehopper: the boot output shows it recognizing the drive, would that not indicate it's working ok, though?
[1:34] <Firehopper> possibly
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[1:35] <Firehopper> measure the voltage while you turn the pi and hard drive on.. it should stay close to 5v as possible, and stay there..
[1:35] <Firehopper> if it drops even momentairly its not strong enough
[1:37] <K4k> I have no way to measure the voltage at the moment :( Guess I'll test that when I get home
[1:37] <K4k> keyboard stops working when it gets to the "kdb>" screen too
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[1:40] <BurtyB> K4k, I just had my pi doing that a few minutes ago too .. swapped the SD card and it's booting up OK now (a block read on the sd card gave the same md5sum as the image I wrote to it but it wouldn't boot it).
[1:40] <Firehopper> that sounds like a power supply that cant supply enough juice
[1:40] <K4k> BurtyB: I can still boot if I switch root in cmdline.txt back to /dev/mmcblk0p2 though. It only refuses to boot from the usb drive
[1:41] <K4k> the image on both mmcblk0p2 and sda1 are the same, I copied it with dd
[1:41] <BurtyB> K4k, ah not the same as mine then that was just using the SD
[1:41] <ShiftPlusOne> K4k, what's in your cmdline.txt?
[1:42] <K4k> dwc_otg.lpm_enable=0 console=ttyAMA0,115200 kgdboc=ttyAMA0,115200 console=tty1 root=/dev/sda1 rootfstype=ext4 elevator=deadline rootwait
[1:42] <ShiftPlusOne> have you modified fstab as well?
[1:42] <K4k> yes
[1:42] <K4k> just change the /dev, correct? I don't need any different kernel.img?
[1:43] <ShiftPlusOne> if you boot into your pi normally, are you able to mount sda1 without any problems?
[1:43] <K4k> yes
[1:43] <K4k> that's how I verified after dd'ing the sd card
[1:43] <K4k> I can chroot to it as well
[1:44] <ShiftPlusOne> Any interesting message preceding that error when booting?
[1:44] <K4k> booting now, let me see
[1:45] <Datalink> hm, I'm thinking of tying my RPi, a location tracker on my phone, and some string lights and a webcam up for combination house lighting, and security system
[1:45] <K4k> iiiinnnnteresting
[1:46] <K4k> so, I wrote the raspian image to the hard drive and kept the /boot on the sd card
[1:46] <K4k> and it works
[1:46] <ShiftPlusOne> oh >_<
[1:46] <ShiftPlusOne> 'course you need boot on the sdcard
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[1:46] <K4k> ShiftPlusOne: that's what I've been doing
[1:46] <K4k> sorry let me clarify
[1:47] <ShiftPlusOne> Yeah, you wouldn't get so far booting if you didn't
[1:47] <K4k> dd'ing / from the sd card to the hard drive and repointing root= in cmdline.txt to the hard drive did not work
[1:47] <K4k> running the "rasbian installer" (dding the vanilla image, clean install) to the disk and booting to the hd works
[1:47] <K4k> not having touched the /boot on the sd card
[1:48] <K4k> (leaving it pointed at the hard drive)
[1:48] <ShiftPlusOne> Well, whatever works.
[1:48] * K4k shrugs
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[1:48] <Datalink> K4k, did you DD to a partition or drive raw?
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[1:48] <K4k> Datalink: yes, dev to dev
[1:49] <K4k> then resized the /dev/sda1 to fill the disk
[1:49] <qmr> Can anyone recommend a power supply on amazon? I am using 5V 1A power supply and can't get keyboard to work
[1:50] <ShiftPlusOne> qmr, it may be the keyboard's fault rather than the supply's. I have a few keyboards that don't work no matter how the pi is powered.
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[1:50] <qmr> tried with one wireless and one wired, both are dodgy
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[1:52] <ozzzy> my wireless one doesn't work... an old Dell wired I have works fine
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[1:54] <steve_rox> interesing the composite likes to electrcute me
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[1:55] <Datalink> steve_rox, uh... that's not right o.o though I have a mid-trace near my P1 port that I have to be mindful of when I'm handling my Pi while on
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[1:56] <steve_rox> i get some mild shocks when holding rpi board and the composite is in tv , no other connectors
[1:56] <steve_rox> kinda fun
[1:56] <djazz> xD
[1:57] <steve_rox> just more annoying since i needed to take wires off the composite out lines
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[1:57] <Datalink> ick
[1:57] <Datalink> I usually use mine with HDMI so I don't see that issue
[1:57] <steve_rox> the lcd is composite only
[1:58] <steve_rox> im not sure if its possible to wire composite polarity backwards so i better use multimeter to make sure i get it right
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[2:01] <steve_rox> i havent cut a hole in the bottom of the case for hdmi yet , i dont really use it
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[2:48] <qmr> Why is fceu crashing when I try to run a ROM? :(
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[2:49] <qmr> anything in the repos I can use to play NES games?
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[2:50] <Mogwai> qmr: Seen this: https://github.com/petrockblog/RetroPie-Setup ?
[2:50] <steve_rox> it seems to only like to use hdmi only tho
[2:50] <steve_rox> least on gens it did
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[3:00] <qmr> Mogwai: came across it, yea. is there something recommended for raspbian?
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[3:04] <Mogwai> qmr: Well that's what I would recommend to make sure your fceu setup is correct, yeah
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[3:54] <zproc> hello
[3:54] <zproc> i'm not sure i get this news, can i get a better X by doing this? http://raspberrypi.collabora.com/
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[3:55] <ShiftPlusOne> I don't know what it is, but it looks like it has nothing to do with X, since it says weston. I am guessing that's to install wayland.
[3:55] <zproc> hm, here's the news bit http://www.collabora.com/press/2013/05/collabora-brings-wayland-and-x11-graphics-performance-to-raspberry-pi.html
[3:56] <Mogwai> zproc: Eventually yes, the improvements you see there will be included as a preview in the upcoming Raspbian release
[3:56] <ShiftPlusOne> thanks, I'll give it a read.
[3:56] <zproc> so wayland isn't compatible with X? i don't know nothing about wayland
[3:57] <ShiftPlusOne> zproc, wayland is an alternative (and hopefully a replacement) to X.
[3:57] <zproc> okay
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[3:58] <zproc> googled this from 3 hours ago http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/4053
[3:58] <pksato> wayland is for next century. :)
[3:58] <ShiftPlusOne> Not sure how I managed to miss that
[3:59] <pksato> but, have a compatibility layer for X11.
[3:59] <Mogwai> ShiftPlusOne: It's been brewing in the shadows for the last couple of days, since maker fair :)
[3:59] <ShiftPlusOne> So there's XWayland and everything. Well, I am excited then.
[3:59] <zproc> so this isn't a full release it seems, but i wonder it's usable
[4:00] <ShiftPlusOne> Mogwai, since before make faire, I am sure =/
[4:02] <Mogwai> ShiftPlusOne: Hehe, as I understand it the foundation payed Collabora for a hackathon to improve on the rpi wayland/weston codebase
[4:03] <ShiftPlusOne> I know I have read ages ago that they were paying someone to get X sorted a while back, but I am not sure if this is them.
[4:03] <Amadiro> zproc, weston is going to be X-compatible, AFAIK
[4:03] <Amadiro> zproc, it is eventually supposed to be a "better X", but I don't think you can do that much with it yet
[4:04] <Amadiro> I've installed it on my rpi a while ago, and it worked great, but none of the GTK+ or Qt apps for raspbian are compiled to work with it, obviously
[4:04] <Amadiro> (if GTK+/Qt even have working wayland backends yet)
[4:04] <ShiftPlusOne> Amadiro, the X compatibility layer doesn't sort that out?
[4:05] <Amadiro> I didn't try it
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[4:05] <Mogwai> ShiftPlusOne: The XWayland support is new .. it didn't work before this new code
[4:05] <Amadiro> I think I saw someone run KDE with the compat layer under weston a while ago
[4:05] <Amadiro> or, well, a day or two ago
[4:05] <Amadiro> but using the X compat kinda defeats the point, no?
[4:06] <ShiftPlusOne> Well, does it still try to do silly things like send lots of requests to change a few pixels at a time?
[4:07] <Amadiro> with the X compat layer, I would assume it does the exact same thing it would do under X11
[4:07] <ShiftPlusOne> As I understood it, that was why X could not be accelerated much with the GPU.
[4:08] <ShiftPlusOne> Juding by the video, it's still far from perfect, but still... yay.
[4:09] <ShiftPlusOne> "Wayland's protocol and architecture allows it to serve X11 clients, through an emulated server. Improvements made to Weston as part of this engagement with the Raspberry Pi Foundation by Collabora enabled X11 applications to run seamlessly, running faster than under the legacy X.Org server."
[4:10] <Amadiro> interesting
[4:10] <zproc> hah
[4:10] <Mogwai> Could be a little market speak, but still nice :)
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[4:15] <ShiftPlusOne> Mogwai, how long before it's in your LFS images? =D
[4:16] <ShiftPlusOne> (I am guessing that's not happening, but still)
[4:16] <Mogwai> ShiftPlusOne: This weekend :)
[4:16] <ShiftPlusOne> ah, nice
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[4:17] <Mogwai> ShiftPlusOne: Well I did try it out earlier, but I need to combine it with QT5 to make an interesting desktop
[4:18] <Mogwai> They exposay feature felt really snappy, but with only terminal windows it's hard to say :)
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[4:21] <Mogwai> ShiftPlusOne: Here's the info you need to build it if you feel adventurus: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/wayland-devel/2013-May/009385.html
[4:22] <ShiftPlusOne> I'd love to give it a go, but I am currently in a work->sleep->study->work cycle with no free time =(
[4:23] <Mogwai> Aha, I'm just entering a work cycle too .. what are you studying?
[4:23] <ShiftPlusOne> electrical engineering
[4:24] <Mogwai> Cool .. and fitting :)
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[4:25] <ShiftPlusOne> yup
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[4:44] <zproc> http://fooishbar.org/tell-me-about/wayland-on-raspberry-pi/
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[4:45] <darkPassenger> im back , fellow pirates.
[4:46] <darkPassenger> the arrhh type of pirate. not the angelina jolie type (hackers movie ref)
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[5:02] <sontek> Just installed pidora on my pi :) Its working really well
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[5:03] <Mogwai> sontek: What desktop environment is used on Pidora?
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[5:07] <hydroxygen> kde
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[5:08] <darkPassenger> are you kidding
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[5:09] <hydroxygen> maybe gnome..lemme boot it ..bbiab
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[5:13] <hydroxygen> so sorry ..xfce
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[5:15] <Mogwai> Ah, good choice
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[5:16] <darkPassenger> lol
[5:16] <darkPassenger> makes more sense
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[5:18] <hydroxygen> first day on pidora.. fresh install this morning
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[5:20] <hydroxygen> Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on
[5:20] <hydroxygen> rootfs 7706904 2192516 5184708 30% /
[5:20] <ShiftPlusOne> Why the fuss about pidora?
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[5:21] <peepsalot> anyone in here running weston on rpi?
[5:22] <peepsalot> a friend sent me this link today, i thought i would try it out: http://fooishbar.org/tell-me-about/wayland-on-raspberry-pi/
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[5:22] <peepsalot> but i get an error from apt-get saying that the repo has no public key
[5:23] <fortytwo> hydroxygen: Not a fan of -h? :P
[5:24] <darkPassenger> first day on the job, git push -f ....
[5:24] <darkPassenger> lol
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[5:51] <VihtiSaint> Hello my name is Kari Laine, 48, Earth, Finland, Vihti, Nummela. I have a project to do with Raspberrypi. It will be part of the electric car - if it can take the challenge :-) Hi everyone!
[5:53] <VihtiSaint> I am wondering whether it is good idea to use Android on raspberry or should I go with the real Linux.
[5:53] <ShiftPlusOne> Hello
[5:53] <xcadaverx> Hello, i'm trying to make an aquarium nutrient/additive dispenser using 4 peristaltic pumps (on adafruit's site.), and reading measurements via a conductivity sensor (on atlas-scientific.com). Where could i get more information as to how to wire up multiple items on the breadboard/cobbler? I'm a bit lost on where to start...
[5:54] <ShiftPlusOne> I am not sure what the state of android is on raspberry pi, but either way, I am a fan of proper linux. That might just be preference though.
[5:55] <ShiftPlusOne> xcadaverx, see if you can catch gordon(Drogon) on here some time, he's the designated gpio guru.
[5:55] <xcadaverx> Okay, thanks!
[5:57] <VihtiSaint> Thanks ShiftPlusOne, so is Android implementation a "hack" (which is good thing) on the raspberrypi. The foundation is no way involved in the project
[5:57] <VihtiSaint> I mean involved by endorsing Android on raspberrypi?
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[5:58] <ShiftPlusOne> I don't know, I have no interest in android on the pi so I haven't been paying attention. But they would certainly endorse is, since they do seem to have done some work on it.
[5:59] <piney0> never heard of a peristaltic pump. pretty cool design
[6:00] <ShiftPlusOne> VihtiSaint, http://androidpi.wikia.com/wiki/Android_Pi_Wiki
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[6:20] <VihtiSaint> Thanks I will have a look
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[6:35] <VihtiSaint> Thank you guys helping me make the desicion - I won't use Android. I will use real Linux. The official version, which can be ordered from the foundation. Thanks.
[6:35] <VihtiSaint> Will be back asking questions.
[6:35] <ShiftPlusOne> 'ordered'? It's a free download O_o
[6:36] <darkPassenger> someone's used to redmond
[6:36] <peepsalot> official Linux?
[6:36] <peepsalot> which one is that
[6:36] <darkPassenger> with the flag and all
[6:37] <taza> You can just buy any off-the-shelf SD card - for under 10eur - and then write the image yourself using one of a million of tools.
[6:37] <taza> I have a dedicated Debian box, but if I didn't, I'd just use Knoppix
[6:38] <darkPassenger> debian is the distro i had most fun with
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[6:43] <cryptodechange> Ah sweet, there's an actual channel.
[6:44] <ShiftPlusOne> Woo, we're an actual channel! =D
[6:44] <cryptodechange> I'm trying to look for any information on someone hooking up a note acceptor (e.g. VSI Matrix) to a raspberry Pi
[6:44] <cryptodechange> I think USB is an option
[6:45] <cryptodechange> I'm quite the hardware newb, I can code, but my knowledge on real world communication is limited
[6:45] <darkPassenger> usb is always an option
[6:45] <cryptodechange> The most I've done is make a joystick for neogen
[6:45] <cryptodechange> Which, is simple as it gets
[6:48] <peepsalot> anyone tried weston/wayland yet?
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[7:58] <cryptodechange> So would it be possible to put a VTI Matrix through the Raspberry Pi's GPIO pins? http://shopvti.com/products.php
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[7:59] <cryptodechange> Well it's USB, so I guess I'd have to do my homework
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[8:00] <ShiftPlusOne> Do they provide drivers?
[8:01] <ShiftPlusOne> and are they open source so that you can compile them for arm?
[8:01] <ShiftPlusOne> I don't know about USB, the thing may require drivers they do not provide, but with a few extra components, you could use gpio just fine.
[8:02] <ShiftPlusOne> actually I am not 100% sure about GPIO either. It says it supports RS232 and the pi does have serial, but I have been told RS232 has a few non-optional lines which the pi lacks, so I may be wrong.
[8:03] <ShiftPlusOne> Do you already have one of these devices? The simplest thing to do is to hook it up through USB and see if the pi detects anything
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[8:12] <cryptodechange> I had a look on the Pi's supported USB list.
[8:13] <cryptodechange> Which lists nothing about bill acceptors or the VTI
[8:13] <cryptodechange> They provided software, but it seems to be for windows only, an install which probably means is closed source
[8:13] <cryptodechange> which is weird
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[8:14] <ShiftPlusOne> That's a list of devices people have tried. Bill acceptors aren't exactly something people have lying around.
[8:14] <ShiftPlusOne> If linux supports it, it may work, but you'd have to check for yourself.
[8:15] <ShiftPlusOne> It may be HID and easy to talk to, or it may require special software, I don't know. Anyway, it's nap time. Good luck.
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[8:24] <cryptodechange> Here's one that uses the VTI Matrix
[8:25] <cryptodechange> it seems to have a breakout board
[8:25] <cryptodechange> http://i.imgur.com/k0pTPJz.jpg
[8:26] <adeus> I just broke the sd card holder on one my Pis :(
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[8:34] <Bushmills> was it fun?
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[8:38] <adeus> not really
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[8:42] <Bushmills> if i were to break mine, i'd check whether a micro-sd slot could take its place. one with a "clicky", so that card doesn't need to protrude
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[8:50] <geordie> sounds like duct tape time
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[9:00] <adeus> yup
[9:00] <adeus> a good thing I have 3
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[9:00] <adeus> (and >100 at work if necessary..)
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[10:00] <gordonDrogon> What Ho Pi People!
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[10:07] <geordie> hi
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[10:09] <cryptodechange> Considering buying a note/bill acceptor and trying to play around with it on the Pi
[10:09] <cryptodechange> One has a RS232 and USB interface
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[10:10] <Jck_true> changing one value in a struct moves around the other value in my struct... This is weird....
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[10:10] <Jck_true> I better scream "Compiler bug" and pretend it's not my crappy code doing something it shouldn't....
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[10:12] <gordonDrogon> Jck_true, is the struct entry short/byte and you're writing a 32-bit int, or something like that?
[10:13] <gordonDrogon> cryptodechange, if you deal with a lot of cash, it might be worth it... but half the time I try to give notes into machines in self-serve supermarkets it fails )-:
[10:13] <cryptodechange> Hm
[10:13] <Jck_true> Oh :| I think i got it... This is embarrasing... The test code on the pc i read I'm using while(ind = getc(comport))....
[10:13] <cryptodechange> Make out anything from this?
[10:13] <cryptodechange> http://i.imgur.com/k0pTPJz.jpg
[10:13] <Jck_true> So naturally... 0x00 doesn't go anywhere...
[10:13] <cryptodechange> The bottom board is the pi
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[10:14] <cryptodechange> I think the top is the VGA breakout maybe? Maybe the RS232?
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[10:23] <gordonDrogon> Jck_true, oops :)
[10:25] <gordonDrogon> cryptodechange, it's not clear that the Pi is actually conected to anything there...
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[10:28] <cryptodechange> That image is from here, which I wanted to try and recreate as my own little project. http://imgur.com/r/Bitcoin/k0pTPJz
[10:31] <gordonDrogon> So there is a little computer board at the top and maybe an LCD interface with a front-panel LCD (I guess). that computer might talk to the Pi via serial on the gpio - really hard to tell. the Pi has power and a usb cable that goes off ... somewhere - as well as hdmi...
[10:32] <gordonDrogon> there is a 3rd board inside the case at the bottom withe green LEd on it - power, or relays?
[10:33] <gordonDrogon> so - how does it work - who knows - you login to it, give it your bitcoin id, you put money in it & it uses the Pi to talk to the world and put bitcoins into your account - only the Pi has no Ethernet connection..
[10:33] <gordonDrogon> it all looks somewhat dodgy to me!
[10:34] <cryptodechange> here's a youtube clip of it in use
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[10:34] <cryptodechange> The LED is to report the status of the note acceptor I think
[10:34] <cryptodechange> It's on the base of the acceptor
[10:34] <cryptodechange> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVgPKLCM_iA
[10:35] <cryptodechange> I'm not sure this is the exact one, but it's how it would/should work
[10:35] <cryptodechange> WHat I want it to do
[10:36] <cryptodechange> You pay it money
[10:36] <cryptodechange> And it prints you a paper bitcoin wallet
[10:36] <cryptodechange> Preloaded with bitcoin
[10:36] <cryptodechange> Where you can take to a computer/mobile device and retrieve it
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[10:39] <gordonDrogon> it's about as good at taking notes as anything else Iv'e seen - ie. rubbish :)
[10:40] <cryptodechange> Haha
[10:40] <cryptodechange> Well I could make it a coin acceptor
[10:40] <gordonDrogon> So there is a camera/qr code scanner in there too.
[10:40] <cryptodechange> But modern note acceptors you can train to read notes better, I believe.
[10:40] <cryptodechange> Yeah, though I won't want that in what I'm planning
[10:40] <cryptodechange> Just a simple LCD display, Note acceptor and Thermal printer
[10:41] <gordonDrogon> I'm sure its all possible.
[10:41] <cryptodechange> I ordered the mini thermal printing kit to print out paper wallets
[10:41] <gordonDrogon> I know almost zero about bitcoins though..
[10:41] <gordonDrogon> :)
[10:41] <cryptodechange> I luckily know/trade bitcoin
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[10:42] <cryptodechange> This looks really cool http://www.epson.de/de/en/viewcon/corporatesite/products/mainunits/overview/9407
[10:43] <gordonDrogon> ribbon printers - neat. thermals fade after a few months...
[10:43] <gordonDrogon> sounds like a fun poject then - it's just a matter of working out how everything plumbs together...
[10:44] <cryptodechange> Yeah, though the intentions are for you to take the receipt and claim it later on
[10:44] <cryptodechange> Like a receipt you get from a local store for a phone balance top up
[10:45] <gordonDrogon> are there places that do that sort of thing?
[10:46] <cryptodechange> Topups?
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[10:46] <cryptodechange> Tesco do
[10:48] <gordonDrogon> I meant bitcoin purchase.
[10:48] <cryptodechange> Oh, no, not yet.
[10:48] <gordonDrogon> ok
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[10:55] <geordie> killall weston
[10:55] <geordie> oops
[10:58] <geordie> anyone running weston?
[10:58] <geordie> it starts up for me, but i don't know how to get the terminal working.
[11:01] <geordie> there's an icon, but clicking, double clicking, right clicking, have no effect
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[11:09] <gordonDrogon> never heard of it...
[11:11] <gordonDrogon> Hm. looks like I may need to get wiringPi v3 going sooner than I thought :)
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[11:16] <geordie> weston is a Xorg replacement that uses the "graphics core" of the BCM2835. X doesn't take advantage of this and lets the cpu do the heavy lifting
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[11:16] <geordie> (there's a front page story on raspberrypi.org about it)
[11:16] <geordie> it looks slick
[11:18] <geordie> oh well i need to get some sleep. good night.
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[11:30] <cryptodechange> So getting a device that uses a R232, how straight forward is it to read what it's transmitting so I can code to work around it?
[11:31] <ShadowJK> can you run X apps on it
[11:31] <cryptodechange> It's a bill/note acceptor
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[11:33] <cryptodechange> https://www.eurocoin.co.uk/products/major-products/bill-acceptors/uba/47200uba-jcm-uba-universal-bill-acceptor
[11:34] <cryptodechange> It's interface uses RS-232C, but I have no idea how I would get the pi to communicate with it.
[11:35] <cryptodechange> Here's the official page for it
[11:35] <cryptodechange> http://jcmglobal.com/en/products/productdetails.aspx?ProdID=UBA
[11:36] <gordonDrogon> cryptodechange, trivial - use a usb to serial adapter then use minicom on the Pi to read/analyse the data then write a program.
[11:38] <linuxstb> cryptodechange: Doesn't look a cheap piece of kit...
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[11:44] <gordonDrogon> Hm. Farnell have beablebone black's in ... Do I, Don't I ...
[11:44] <Gadget-Mac> Join the darkside ;)
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[11:53] <cryptodechange> Found cheaper note acceptors
[11:53] <cryptodechange> Though these don't use RS232...
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[11:53] <gordonDrogon> what do they use?
[11:53] <Russ-> Quick question - can the RPi first boot (using raspbian weezy) be done over SSH? >.<
[11:53] <cryptodechange> But they use 'pulse stream open collector outputs'
[11:53] <gordonDrogon> Russ-, no - it must boot off SD
[11:53] <Russ-> What I mean is
[11:54] <gordonDrogon> cryptodechange, ok - that's do-able - direct to the Pi's GPIO - as long as you know the timing, format, etc.
[11:54] <cryptodechange> Parallel open collector outputs, Pulse stream open collector output, Binary open collector output, Smiley® Secure Protocol (SSP) secure serial communications, Simple serial I/O communications, MDB interface protocol, CCTalk
[11:54] <gordonDrogon> Russ-, Ah, you want to boot it, then login via ssh? Yes - Raspbian supports that.
[11:54] <Russ-> Ok well this is my story, I didn't think as far as my keyboard, it's PS2 not USB so I'm wondering if I can just SSH over and complete the first run stuff
[11:54] <Russ-> SICK!
[11:54] <gordonDrogon> Russ-, sure.
[11:54] <gordonDrogon> as long as you can work out its IP address.
[11:55] <Russ-> Ye, I'll check on my router
[11:55] <cryptodechange> Manual for it http://diagramas.diagramasde.com/otros/MANUAL%20NV7.pdf
[11:55] <Russ-> thanks gordonDrogon :p
[11:57] <gordonDrogon> cryptodechange, ok - you'll need pull-up resistors on the inputs to the Pi and from the Pi to the device you need an open-collector driver - e.g. uln2003 ...
[11:57] <gordonDrogon> Russ-, login as pi passwd raspberry, then run sudo raspi-config
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[11:59] <cryptodechange> I think it has pullups built in
[11:59] <cryptodechange> Check out page 12
[11:59] <gordonDrogon> yes - to +5v - so you need to drive those to 0v with an open collector driver.
[11:59] <gordonDrogon> connect that to the Pi and it's bybyraspberry pi.
[11:59] <cryptodechange> Which interface would I be using here?
[11:59] <gordonDrogon> it's up to you - I'm just talking about the physical layer.
[12:00] <cryptodechange> So I couldn't just connect the pulse pins to some GPIO inputs?
[12:01] <gordonDrogon> via pull-up resistors to 3.3v, yes.
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[12:02] <gordonDrogon> using the parallel mode seems easiest - you get 4 inputs to (I presume) tell you which value note has been input.
[12:02] <gordonDrogon> you have a couple of outputs to tell the machine to abort & return the note and stack in the cash box.
[12:02] <cryptodechange> "If a note is recognised then the relevant channel line is set low for a period of 100[]3ms."
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[12:02] <cryptodechange> Some weird symbol there
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[12:02] <surfn> hi
[12:02] <gordonDrogon> yea, I suspect it's just 3ms.
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[12:03] <surfn> hey gordonDrogon nice to see you again
[12:03] <cryptodechange> So literally, pull-up resistors for 10 pins?
[12:03] <cryptodechange> 1-4 pulses, 1-4 inhibits, Busy and Escrow
[12:03] <surfn> guys, I found a line in a tutorial that doesn't work: sudo echo "0" > /sys/class/gpio/gpio23/value
[12:04] <gordonDrogon> something like that.
[12:04] <gordonDrogon> surfn, you need to export the pin first.
[12:05] <gordonDrogon> surfn, gpio export 23 will do the trick.
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[12:05] <surfn> gordonDrogon: gpio command not found
[12:06] <cryptodechange> I'm quite a newb at the hardware, so would would the python GPIO library work for this? a while loop to check for the pulses. How long would I poll it for to ensure the 3ms?
[12:06] <cryptodechange> So for each loop, if it pulses, it counts the 3ms?
[12:07] <gordonDrogon> surfn, cd ; git clone git://git.drogon.net/wiringPi ; cd wiringPi ; ./build ; gpio -v
[12:07] <gordonDrogon> cryptodechange, I've no idea - I don't program in Python - only C & BASIC.
[12:09] <cryptodechange> Well in logic I presume
[12:09] <cryptodechange> programming logic*
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[12:10] <cryptodechange> So for each while loop, it checks to see if an input is 'on' or 'off', if it's on, it checks for the 3ms poll
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[12:15] <surfn> hey gordonDrogon - i did gpio export 23 after the install and it said Usage: gpio export pin mode
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[12:19] <Russ-> thanks, gordonDrogon, my pi is booted and configured :3
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[12:24] <mgottschlag> cryptodechange: note that, while 3ms is quite high, the software still isn't realtime capable, so you don't have 100% reliability
[12:24] <mgottschlag> which might be slightly annoying if you work with money
[12:24] <[deXter]> gordonDrogon, Do you think it's ok to use the RPi / WiringPi to connect to my PC's power pins in order to turn it off/on, without using a relay?
[12:25] <mgottschlag> use a mosfet, not a relay
[12:25] <cryptodechange> mgottschlag, how would you suggest I work with it?
[12:25] <mgottschlag> apart from that, I doubt this would work
[12:25] <mgottschlag> cryptodechange: I'd personally use a pi plus a microcontroller which would interact with the device
[12:26] <cryptodechange> There any examples i could look at? Or am I getting my hands dirty here?
[12:26] <mgottschlag> [deXter]: PCs usually use higher voltages than 3.3V, and I doubt the power pins are standardized voltage
[12:26] <gordonDrogon> surfn, yea, read the fine manual - gpio export 23 output
[12:26] <[deXter]> mgottschlag, does it matter what voltage? I just need to short the pins for a fraction of a second..
[12:27] <mgottschlag> but you cannot use the pi gpio to short two pins
[12:27] <mgottschlag> the pi just can output some current at 3.3v or 0v
[12:27] <gordonDrogon> 3ms is easily achievable on the Pi under Linux, and if there is doubt, just use an interrupt + timer.
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[12:28] <gordonDrogon> cryptodechange, I've got some code that is good down to 30�S - to read the maxdetect sensors. Look for the maxdtect.c file in devLib under wiringPi.
[12:30] <mgottschlag> [deXter]: connecting GND to one power pin and gpio to the other and pulling the gpio pin to 0V would short the two pins, but a) you don't know the voltage between the pins which might be larger than 3.3v and b) you don't know how large the current would be if you short them
[12:30] <gordonDrogon> [deXter], yes it matters. if you need to short the pins on the standard ATX PSU, then any open collector output type driver will work - or a mosfet - it's shorting 5v to 0v IIRC.
[12:31] <[deXter]> hmm
[12:32] <gordonDrogon> if you're really not sure of the polarity, then use a relay, but you'll need something drive it from the Pi - transistor/fet/darlington...
[12:33] <mgottschlag> btw, I might be overcautios when it comes to realtime stuff, but I had to generate some control signals on windows once, and all I managed to get was a worst case accuracy of 32ms, no matter what I did (I eventually achieved accuracy of 1us, but that was a huge hack deep in kernel space)
[12:33] <mgottschlag> of course linux usually works much better
[12:34] <mgottschlag> s/32ms/16ms/ (one system timer tick)
[12:34] <gordonDrogon> Heh. Adafruit has a box for the camera already: http://www.adafruit.com/blog/2013/05/24/body-for-raspberry-pi-camera-piday-raspberrypi-raspberry_pi/
[12:35] <cryptodechange> gordonDrogon, you wouldn't recommend going down the microcontroller route then?
[12:35] <mgottschlag> cryptodechange: probably you are perfectly fine without a microcontroller
[12:35] <gordonDrogon> cryptodechange, not for that. I like to keep things as simple as possible. I use �C's for real time critical stuff - like driving stepper motors, servos, etc.
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[12:36] <gordonDrogon> my strategy for that would be to wait for the signal going high, then wait for 3mS, then see if it's still high. The first wait can be via an interrupt, the 2nd a simple delay(3); and run the program/thread in real-time + high priority.
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[12:37] <cryptodechange> It'd be pretty cool to make a raspberry slot machine with stepper motors actually.
[12:38] <SpeedEvil> the raspberries would jam in the chute when you won.
[12:38] <SpeedEvil> or would it only dispense punnets?
[12:38] <gordonDrogon> :-)
[12:39] <gordonDrogon> connect it to a laser printer with card and print the punnet cases ...
[12:39] <gordonDrogon> (some assembly required - insert tab A into slot B...)
[12:39] <cryptodechange> So it'd count the high signal for ~3000 cycles to declare a successful note right?
[12:40] <gordonDrogon> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/1310
[12:40] <cryptodechange> In the manual it says any other time might indicate a rejected note
[12:40] <gordonDrogon> cryptodechange, cycles? you don't count cycles - you let Linux do that for you.
[12:41] <cryptodechange> I mean, counting the length of time the 1-4 pin has been active.
[12:41] <gordonDrogon> ok - you can busy poll it and check the time with gettimeofday() or you can just delay for 3ms and make sure the signal went away.
[12:42] <mgottschlag> do realtime processes have higher priority than e.g. the sdcard driver?
[12:43] <gordonDrogon> I'm not going to tell you this here. Please go and start reading it up yourself - you'll not learn anything otherwise.
[12:44] <gordonDrogon> however the SD card will only be accessed when you want it to be accessed - there are ways to minimise accesses to it if you need to.
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[12:45] <cryptodechange> gordonDrogon the delays wouldn't be ideal, just incase it's cut short right?
[12:45] <gordonDrogon> however, my experiences with doing things like software PWM, multiplexed LED displays, motor control and so on have been positive on the Pi.
[12:45] <gordonDrogon> cryptodechange, it'll never be cut-short - it'll always be on-time or longer.
[12:46] <gordonDrogon> in this instance, slightly longer shouldn't be an issue as we're really checking for noise according to the manual, not a mis-read. The signal already tells us the read was OK.
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[12:47] <gordonDrogon> reader reads a note - set's the signal for 3ms, de-asserts the signal. Pi has to pick up the signal (via an interrupt for example), then make sure the signal goes away, then toggle the accept signal back to the reader for it to move it from escrow to store.
[12:47] <mgottschlag> gordonDrogon: I tried but didn't find anything about priority inversion prevention in linux, so if you know, why don't just tell me?
[12:48] <gordonDrogon> if signal doesn't go away, then it can assert the reject signal back to the reader and abort the transaction.
[12:48] <cryptodechange> So that 3ms is just a delay in itself to not double process the note
[12:48] <cryptodechange> I presume
[12:48] <gordonDrogon> probably.
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[12:55] <gordonDrogon> mgottschlag, I don't know if it's actually possible under Linux either.
[12:56] <gordonDrogon> I know that I minimise it by removing all un-needed services and my experiences have been good so-far.
[12:56] <mgottschlag> okay, because "I'm not going to tell you this here." sounded like "it is obvious once you search the web, so rtfm" :)
[12:57] <gordonDrogon> sorry - I'm really busy right now with some other stuff. I should just leave here for a while.
[12:59] <gordonDrogon> just had a client manage to delete about 100GB of files off their server - now I have to go on-site to restore it for them. back inna bit.
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[13:04] <mgottschlag> cryptodechange: btw, that device supports serial communication, why don't you use that?
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[13:09] <gordonDrogon> right. more like 500GB )-: muppets. next stop Newton Abbot ...
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[13:14] <qmr> is there anything in /sys or such so I can monitor my power?
[13:14] <qmr> going to see how long my cell phone battery backup will power the pi
[13:15] <SpeedEvil> no
[13:15] <SpeedEvil> if anything in /sys is readable, Vcc is over 4v or so
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[13:19] <qmr> What have you done with your pis SpeedEvil?
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[13:41] <surfn> can I run a 3.3v device and a 5v device from the raspberry pi at the same time?
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[13:41] <surfn> p1 and p2?
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[13:43] <mgottschlag> surfn: sure, if you be careful and never put 5V to any GPIO pins
[13:43] <mgottschlag> s/be/are
[13:43] <mgottschlag> (and of course all devices together must not draw more power than available)
[13:43] <surfn> cool, next question: can I ground both to the same pin?
[13:44] <mgottschlag> yes
[13:44] <mgottschlag> (all ground pins are shorted together anyways)
[13:44] <mgottschlag> and you have to try really hard to exceed the current limit of a ground pin :)
[13:44] <pksato> ground both? like short circuit? (no)
[13:45] <surfn> basically, I have an 8 port relay AND a motion sensor
[13:45] <mgottschlag> pksato: hm? it doesn't matter which or how many ground pins you use as they are all in the same net
[13:46] <mgottschlag> surfn: the relays probably cannot be powered by the pi unless they are very low current signal relay ones
[13:46] <surfn> mgottschlag: already got that part working ;)
[13:46] <pksato> not about gnd. to gound 3.3v and 5v.
[13:50] <surfn> mgottschlag: I got one of these - http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-5V-8-Channel-Relay-Module-Board-for-Arduino-PIC-AVR-MCU-DSP-ARM-Electronic-/180822479761?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a19dc1391
[13:51] <surfn> it needs a 5V source, but is triggered by the 3v3 GPIOs
[13:51] <qmr> Is there a list of recommended hardware?
[13:52] <mgottschlag> surfn: you use that without additional circuitry? do you know how much current those relays draw?
[13:52] <surfn> qmr: what sort of hardware?
[13:52] <qmr> Right now SD cards and power supplies
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[13:52] <mgottschlag> ah, 15-20mA
[13:53] <surfn> qmr: http://elinux.org/RPi_SD_cards
[13:54] <qmr> Thank you. Is there a similar list for power supplies?
[13:54] <surfn> qmr: I don't think so, basically it needs to output 5V1A on a micro USB
[13:55] <qmr> oh. what are implications of 5V500mA ? that's what I'm using now
[13:55] <mgottschlag> 500mA shouldn't work reliably
[13:56] <qmr> well it is... only thing running is network though
[13:56] <mgottschlag> it might work most of the time, but expect SD card corruption or crashes as soon as you run something which needs more energy
[13:56] <qmr> o
[13:56] <surfn> qmr: find a 1A
[13:57] <qmr> most of my charges are 1A or 2A, I am running it on a little charger/backup battery combo thing
[13:57] <mgottschlag> s/energy/power/ :)
[13:57] <surfn> 500mA will be fine when you get your Raspberry Pi model A
[13:57] <qmr> http://www.amazon.com/Livestrong-Portable-Battery-Wall-Charger/sim/B005O02GEE/2
[13:57] <qmr> is the A out yet?
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[13:57] <surfn> qmr: I ordered one, haven't got it yet
[13:58] * qmr forgets what the differences are
[13:58] <surfn> less ram, no network
[13:58] <surfn> 1 USB not 2
[13:58] <qmr> what's the use case for that?
[13:59] <surfn> when you're running on battery...
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[14:39] <qmr> anyone had issues with ytalk? can't seem to get it working
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[15:01] <dreamreal> morning
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[15:21] <BlueMint> Anyone want to help me start my journey of streaming my main computers audio over LAN to my RPi, then that playing the audio out it's port?
[15:22] <qmr> playing the audio out it is port?
[15:25] <linuxstb> BlueMint: pulseaudio ?
[15:25] <BlueMint> qmr, the audio out on the RPi
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[15:26] <BlueMint> linuxstb, sweet, I'll look into it
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[15:29] <ParkerR> BlueMint, You could do Airplay
[15:29] <qmr> BlueMint: "it is port" - that does not make any sense
[15:29] <BlueMint> I thought airplay was an apple thing. lol, I'll look at that two
[15:29] <BlueMint> qmr, I'm tired. See passed the small mistakes
[15:30] <ParkerR> http://lifehacker.com/5978594/turn-a-raspberry-pi-into-an-airplay-receiver-for-streaming-music-in-your-living-room
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[15:31] <ParkerR> http://sourceforge.net/projects/shairport4w/
[15:31] <ParkerR> And then something like that for Windows
[15:33] <BlueMint> awesome! thanks ParkerR :)
[15:33] <ParkerR> Wait that second link is wrong
[15:33] <BlueMint> WOuld that use up much of it's processing power?
[15:33] <ParkerR> Second link is basically whats on the Pi but for WIndows
[15:33] <ParkerR> It works fine if you are just doing audio to the Pi
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[15:34] <ParkerR> BlueMint, Although not free this is the only one I can think of for steaming from WIndows http://www.rogueamoeba.com/airfoil/windows/
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[15:34] <ParkerR> *streaming
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[15:34] <BlueMint> qmr, cool
[15:35] <BlueMint> ParkerR, ah. Well thank you very very much for the help. Very appreciated
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[15:36] <dan2k3k4> Is there an "open source" alternative to the Phillips Hue?
[15:36] <dan2k3k4> I suppose I should ask in #hardware
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[15:43] <gordonDrogon> must setup a bouncer one of these days.
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[15:45] <BlueMint> Hmm, what exactly does a USB sound card do for a RPi? Can't it play audio by itself?
[15:45] <ParkerR> It can but the USB sound card will most likely not have any of the extra static
[15:46] <ParkerR> Or pops on audio initialization
[15:46] <gordonDrogon> you mean it might sound better :)
[15:46] <BlueMint> Ahhh. I might invest in one then.
[15:46] <BlueMint> oh, they're dirt cheap
[15:47] <linuxstb> Note that media players like omxplayer and xbmc can't use a usb sound card though.
[15:47] <BlueMint> I use Arch. Will that be able?
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[15:48] <ParkerR> linuxstb, Yes they can...
[15:48] <ParkerR> At least XBMC can
[15:48] <linuxstb> On the Pi? For video playback?
[15:48] <IT_Sean> Some USB soundcard devices will also add an audio INPUT, which the raspi itself lacks.
[15:49] <ParkerR> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=18890&p=221389#p221389
[15:49] <gordonDrogon> Heh.. I've done audio input on the Pi :)
[15:49] <BlueMint> IT_Sean, I noticed that. Seems like an opening for another awesome project
[15:49] <gordonDrogon> admittedly the quality was somewhat dubious ...
[15:50] <linuxstb> ParkerR: Was that link for me?
[15:50] <BlueMint> oh damn. You actually need a wifi dongle for airplay. Might just look for other alternatives :P
[15:50] <ParkerR> I think so.
[15:50] <ParkerR> BlueMint, You can do it via ethernet
[15:50] <ParkerR> Just skip the first part of that article
[15:50] <BlueMint> ParkerR, :D
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[15:51] <ParkerR> BlueMint, That article is assuming that someone is starting out from the very beginning
[15:51] <Bushmills> BlueMint: getting one in a metal box and a cable are preferred over plastic box with plug, in terms of potential audio quality
[15:51] <Bushmills> idea is, get the analog part far away from the digital circuitry
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[15:51] <gordonDrogon> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSCBj6rabIU <-- extreme dubious quality sound input/output on the Pi ;-)
[15:52] <linuxstb> ParkerR: That thread doesn't say xbmc can use a usb sound card as far as I can see.
[15:52] <BlueMint> gordonDrogon, oh god ahahahah. Where did it go wrong, the outputting or inputting?
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[15:53] <ParkerR> linuxstb, Raspbmc added (beta) AudioEngine support http://forum.stmlabs.com/showthread.php?tid=1052
[15:54] <Russ-> anyone here familiar with remote desktop on the pi? I'm struggling to get tightvnc viewer to connect to an existing session on my pi
[15:55] <ParkerR> Russ-, If you are just wanting existing session sudo apt-get install xvnc && xvnc
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[15:55] <ParkerR> Gaah
[15:55] <ParkerR> Forgot the package name
[15:56] <maumushi> x11vnc
[15:56] <ParkerR> Ahh thats it
[15:56] <linuxstb> ParkerR: Ah, interesting. Browsing through the thread indicates it doesn't work that well though.
[15:56] <Russ-> I have x11vnc installed
[15:56] <ParkerR> Ok just run x11vnc
[15:57] <Russ-> I have but I don't seem to be connecting to the existing session
[15:57] <ParkerR> It should print a bunch of output and then you should be able to connect on the default port of 5900
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[15:58] <maumushi> probably you have to create and use a password
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[15:58] <Russ-> I used the -nopw switch
[15:58] <Russ-> Or should I just set a pass?
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[15:59] <ParkerR> Try running it without that. It should ask you to set a password
[15:59] <gordonDrogon> BlueMint, sample rate is 4K/sec.
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[16:00] <gordonDrogon> BlueMint, actually, i's 8K, but on playback I invert one sample and am driving the speaker in push-pull mode off both D/A outputs...
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[16:01] <gordonDrogon> BlueMint, that's using the A/D + D/A on the Gertboard via a simple little condenser mic breakout board..
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[16:03] <maumushi> instead of vnc you can export display with ssh, i think it's better in performance
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[16:05] <gordonDrogon> I'm pretty sure vnc is faster, but my experiences are limited to running my basic interpreter...
[16:07] <maumushi> you think? i tried many times but eventually i switch back to ssh -X
[16:07] <gordonDrogon> maybe it's the SDL appliction I have - it's a lot of data to encrypt & copy..
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[16:09] <maumushi> for other system i use nx nomachine, but it's not compiled for arm and i'm too lazy to compile by myself ;)
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[16:13] <redostrike> wooohoo work day is done time for weekend, time for some Pi love :)
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[16:14] <djazz> ^
[16:15] <IT_Sean> ...
[16:15] * IT_Sean looks at the clock
[16:15] * IT_Sean sees his weekend doesn't start for another 7 hours
[16:15] * IT_Sean makes a rude gesture
[16:15] <gordonDrogon> apparently it's a bank holiday here.
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[16:16] <gordonDrogon> and I get a client that does an oops on the day before it. ah well, they're sorted now.
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[16:21] <Chaz6> Mmm hello weekend
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[16:21] <maumushi> 39 minutes to go .... :)
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[16:22] <gordonDrogon> heh...
[16:23] <gordonDrogon> I guess I could go home now, but I might as well do stuff here for a while.
[16:23] <gordonDrogon> nice to chat to real humans too...
[16:25] <djazz> how did my post on the rpi community on g+ get over 400 +1's? O_o
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[16:25] <Martin`> is it save to feed de rpi 5v via gpio?
[16:25] <djazz> and over 100 reshare
[16:25] <Mortvert> very carefully
[16:26] <Mortvert> Martin`, no, no way in a hell
[16:26] <Mortvert> gpio doesn't use 5v, you'd fry the thing
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[16:26] <djazz> is it safe to backpower the pi with usb?
[16:26] <djazz> :P
[16:26] <Mortvert> Is it safe if i throw my active pi into active volcano?
[16:27] <Martin`> I don't know, I read things on the intenret that it is possible to power via de 5v pin onthe gpio
[16:27] <Martin`> but it is normal output
[16:27] <djazz> Martin`: it is possible, but i dont know how
[16:27] <djazz> i've heard others do it
[16:27] <Mortvert> djazz, doesn't the cpu use 3V?
[16:27] <SpeedEvil> no
[16:27] <hydroxygen> the gpio pins bypass the fuse
[16:27] <djazz> Mortvert: gpio have 5V too?
[16:27] <SpeedEvil> it uses several voltages
[16:28] <Martin`> djazz: yes have 5v too
[16:28] <Martin`> hydroxygen: and it is not save to bypass the fuse?
[16:28] <mgottschlag> "<djazz> is it safe to backpower the pi with usb?" yes, for rev2
[16:28] <hydroxygen> the fuse is there for a reason..
[16:29] <mgottschlag> and only safe as long as you don't have a short circuit anywhere
[16:29] <Mortvert> no fuse in rev2
[16:29] <Martin`> hmm thats is true
[16:29] <Martin`> so with rev2 it is safe to power it from de gpio?
[16:29] <djazz> Martin`: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=10500&p=118140
[16:29] <Mortvert> it's "THE" not "de"\
[16:29] <Martin`> tnx
[16:29] <Martin`> I need to jump out of the train, brb :P
[16:30] <djazz> http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/1617/how-do-i-supply-power-through-the-gpio
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[16:35] <hydroxygen> is there any advantage of power it other than the micro usb socket ?
[16:36] <Martin`> back
[16:36] <hydroxygen> maybe if u didnt have a micro usb power plug..?
[16:37] <Martin`> i need to power a other thing which is already connected over gpio
[16:38] <Martin`> for communicating over serial
[16:38] <Martin`> it is easier to power it via gpio than via microusb
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[16:39] <Martin`> else i have to cut a cable
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[16:43] <gordonDrogon> You can power the Pi via the GPIO by feeding a regulated 5v supply into it.
[16:43] <gordonDrogon> Rev 1 or Rev 2.
[16:44] <gordonDrogon> it's advisable to use some sort of protection - like a fuse on it, but you don't have to.
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[16:45] <Martin`> ok tnx
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[16:45] <Martin`> already having a powerregulator because other device is using 12v
[16:46] <gordonDrogon> use an SMPS regulator if you can - something like an lm7805 will get hot!
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[16:46] <Davespice> omg, that Wayland preview makes me so happy! :)
[16:46] <Martin`> damned have a 7805 :(
[16:47] <gordonDrogon> https://projects.drogon.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/pitrak5.jpg <-- this has an 7805 powering the Pi via 9v batteries - it gets a bit warm at times...
[16:47] <gordonDrogon> put a heatsink on it.
[16:47] <Martin`> but i need to order some other things
[16:47] <djazz> Davespice: yeah :D
[16:48] <Davespice> I think now the Pi has a chance to be the next Apple 2, with desktop perfornamce like that
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[16:51] <maumushi> time to pack stuff; bye all
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[16:52] <gordonDrogon> Martin`, These are good: http://uk.farnell.com/xp-power/sr10s05/switching-regulator-5v-1a-o-p/dp/1861095?Ntt=sr10s05
[16:52] <gordonDrogon> Martin`, but search ebay for smps regulatros - there are dozens out there - that one abive is a 7805 drop-in replacement
[16:52] <Kev-> I'm having some troubles with my pis. After a random amount of time (usually ~2 days) it will freeze. I tested the voltage on TP1/TP2 and it's around 4.85. I'm running a debian image from 1-2 months ago
[16:53] <Kev-> This isn't an isolated incident btw, I'm having this trouble with two other pis
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[16:53] <gordonDrogon> Kev-, running anything special on them? Mine will stay running for weeks usually...
[16:53] <Kev-> any ideas what the problem could be?
[16:53] <Kev-> Nah, just a small lcd on the gpio pins and a thermometer (ds18b20)
[16:54] <Kev-> And a wifi dongle, but when it's running the voltage is still fine
[16:54] <Kev-> I'm also having this issue with a pi that doesn't have the wifi nor the lcd
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[16:55] <mgottschlag> btw, anybody knows any step-down switching regulators which continue working if the voltage is too low? all I know just disable output when the voltage is below output voltage + x, but I am currently looking for an 7812 replacement which works (minus the dropout voltage of course) when the voltage is lower than 12V
[16:56] <Triffid_Hunter> mgottschlag: you want buckboost for that
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[16:57] <mgottschlag> yeah, but those are much more expensive above 1A
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[16:57] <mgottschlag> at least I didn't find any
[16:57] <Triffid_Hunter> mgottschlag: look for external switch like lt1871 (from memory)
[16:58] <Triffid_Hunter> mgottschlag: then you can use a nice n-mosfet and get many amps
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[16:58] <mgottschlag> I am going to design my own buchboost if I have to, yeah, I was just looking whether I can get something premade (like the one linked earlier, just different)
[16:59] <mgottschlag> because after all I am a CS student and have almost no experience with EE -.-
[16:59] <mgottschlag> *buck
[16:59] <Martin`> gordonDrogon: tnx. i hope i can still find that url when i am at home :P
[16:59] <Triffid_Hunter> mgottschlag: datasheets usually have all the math you need
[17:00] <mgottschlag> bookmarked lt1871, thx :)
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[17:00] <mgottschlag> yeah, it is just quite some more work and probably the layout is much more critical than anything I did so far
[17:01] <mgottschlag> at least every second document I read said "keep that trace short", "keep that space large", etc etc
[17:01] <Davespice> Kev-: I guess you could go through a process of elimination, swap out things like the power supply to start with etc
[17:02] <Triffid_Hunter> mgottschlag: yep, switchmode is "fun" ;)
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[17:03] <Triffid_Hunter> mgottschlag: you could always go on ebay and grab separate buck and boost and connect one to the other
[17:03] <Triffid_Hunter> then all the layout stuff is done by chinese folk who may or may not have a clue on how to do it properly ;)
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[17:09] <gordonDrogon> who was it here who used my softTone library to drive an inverter to generate HV for those glowing elecroluminescent wires...
[17:09] * gordonDrogon ponders.
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[17:09] <gordonDrogon> trouble is - how do you start it if the voltage is low - kick start the pi with a hand-generator - get Pi generating pulses, monitor voltage, etc. :)
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[17:17] <zegerjan> Has anyone tried to power the Pi through a powered usb hub which powers a external HDD as well which is connected to the Pi as well?
[17:17] <zegerjan> minus the last 'as well'
[17:17] <gordonDrogon> zegerjan, I've powered a Pi from a powered hub, but the only things 've connected to it have been Arduino, keyboard & mouse...
[17:17] <IT_Sean> SHOULD work, so long as your supply is sufficient.
[17:18] <gordonDrogon> should... famous last words :)
[17:18] <zegerjan> Thought so too, just wanted to check. Thanks
[17:18] <Chaz6> On the topic of usb hubs, quite a few have a small barrel connector for the dc power input
[17:18] <Chaz6> ANy idea what it's called or what size it is?
[17:18] <gordonDrogon> everything power related with the Pi should just work...
[17:18] <zegerjan> not bought yet
[17:19] <gordonDrogon> it's called a small barrel connector ...
[17:19] <gordonDrogon> the into into my hub is 2.5mm
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[17:20] <Chaz6> sounds like it thanks
[17:20] <zegerjan> Ill try it tomorrow, ill keep you posted ;)
[17:20] <Chaz6> 2.5mm×0.8mm
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[17:21] <IT_Sean> Chaz6: it's a 'barrel connector', but there are about eleventy billion trillion different sizes and varieties
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[17:22] <ozzzy> morning my droogs
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[17:24] <gordonDrogon> ozzzy, well aftermorning here ...
[17:24] <ozzzy> how's it going today
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[17:27] <hydroxygen> almost noon
[17:27] <hydroxygen> rainy
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[17:28] <ozzzy> so... why does my pi lock/reboot when plugging/unplugging usb stuff
[17:28] <Bushmills> voltage drop
[17:28] <IT_Sean> ^ wot 'e said
[17:28] <ozzzy> well... that'd explain it
[17:29] <Bushmills> aka california syndrom :)
[17:30] <gordonDrogon> it's always lunchtime somewhere :)
[17:31] <ozzzy> anyone know the max voltage the pi can take safely
[17:31] <ozzzy> 5.25... 5.35
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[17:33] <Bushmills> i'd stick to the +/- 5% as specced for the nowadays obsolete TTLs
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[17:34] <ozzzy> my supply delivers 5.07
[17:34] <Bushmills> with load?
[17:34] <ozzzy> yep
[17:34] <Bushmills> sounds fine
[17:35] <IT_Sean> ozzzy: 5.25v
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[17:37] <ozzzy> there's the issue... with the lan cable plugged in it's just over 5v... with the wireless plugged in it's 4.82
[17:37] <ozzzy> I think I have to turn up the voltage a touch
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[17:37] <IT_Sean> What's the max amperage on that supply?
[17:38] <ozzzy> 3a
[17:38] <IT_Sean> Hmm.
[17:38] <IT_Sean> Seems like it's poorly regulated, then.
[17:38] <IT_Sean> As i cannot imagine you are drawing anything near that much.
[17:38] <ozzzy> that could be
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[17:39] <ozzzy> I think it's time to modify the power distribution box LOL
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[17:43] <^ZoR^> short wires are best if small gauge
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[17:50] <iiie> I've a hopefully silly question about /var/lib/apt/archive.raspberrypi.org_debian_dists_wheezy_Release.gpg
[17:53] <iiie> apt was giving me an error so I renamed /var/lib/apt/lists and updated again. after update I compared md5sums and found that this one gpg key had changed. it was also the repo that was giving me BADSIG or BADKEY. should I be worried (above path is missing "lists"
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[18:11] <ugnius> Hi, Just ordered pi and wifi, bluetooth dongles. Trying to make Media Streamer and internet browser when I'm not up to booting laptop. Is wheezy good enough, or one of media centered OS'es will be better choice? Thanks
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[18:13] <Bushmills> using the pi exclusively as media machine, i'd probably go for openelec
[18:13] <IT_Sean> ^ wot 'e said
[18:13] <ugnius> Thanks
[18:14] * Armand throws an English dictionary at IT_Sean...
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[18:14] * IT_Sean shrugs, and throws a Klingon dictionary at Armand
[18:14] <gordonDrogon> Eeeee... wen I wur a lad... dikshonarys?
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[18:17] <VitaBushido> is there no SD image for Pidora yet?
[18:17] <qmr> So my pi can run an hour or two off this battery... I guess I have a UPS now. I'll just carry pi with me every where and keep it up
[18:17] <Bushmills> iiie: GPG errors?
[18:17] * IT_Sean buries Armand in the back garden
[18:18] <Bushmills> iiie: those showing a fingerprint, and message that public key can't be found?
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[18:23] <ozzzy> well... that helped a bit... 5.25 no load... 4.92 with wifi... 4.84-4.87 with arduino
[18:23] <hydroxygen> modulate video fm
[18:23] <ozzzy> didn't reset when I plugged in the arduino at least
[18:23] <IT_Sean> 4.87 is a bit low, but still within spec.
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[18:24] <Bushmills> ozzzy: your problem is when plugging in the device, which probably causes a sudden voltage drop below the static level under load
[18:24] <Bushmills> a multimeter won't show that. an oscolloscope would.
[18:24] <Kane> salut ici
[18:24] <IT_Sean> Sounds like a good excuse to buy an oscope
[18:25] <Bushmills> oscilloscope, even
[18:25] <IT_Sean> *ohsillyscope
[18:25] <IT_Sean> :p
[18:26] <Bushmills> although, a logic probe with spike detection would do too
[18:27] <Bushmills> for a fraction of the costs
[18:27] <IT_Sean> ahem! I said "sounds like a good excuse to by an oscope"
[18:27] * ozzzy has a scope sitting on the bench
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[18:27] * IT_Sean steals it
[18:28] <Bushmills> single shot, AC trigger, falling flank
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[18:28] <Bushmills> ir is it "edge" in english?
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[18:29] <ozzzy> edge
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[18:47] <gordonDrogon> anyting in an excuse to buy a 'scope.
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[18:49] <jkbbwr> Is the USB input issue fixed yet
[18:49] <jkbbwr> ?
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[18:51] <IT_Sean> which "issue" are you referring to?
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[19:09] <hydroxygen> IT_Sean, : my latest osillyscope http://www.elecfreaks.com/store/dso201-mini-dso-dso-nano1mhz-analog-bandwidth-p-498.html
[19:10] <gordonDrogon> I got one of the DSO quad scopes a while back. it's nothing special, but it works well for what it is.
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[19:11] <rymate1234> Hey guys
[19:11] <rymate1234> Why does apt-get build-dep not return any packages to install
[19:11] <rymate1234> In rasp aim
[19:11] <hydroxygen> compared to my old heathkit .. its a dream .
[19:11] <rymate1234> *raspbian
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[19:14] <gordonDrogon> this one: http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/dso-quad-pocketsized-digital-oscilloscope-p-920.html
[19:14] <Bushmills> hehe, can you make phone calls with it?
[19:15] <bsdfox> hydroxygen, is that useful for anything?
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[19:15] <gordonDrogon> nah, I have a phone for that :)
[19:16] <gordonDrogon> right. time for home. earned extra brownie points this afternoon too.
[19:16] <hydroxygen> i needed a new scope..used to adjust pwm waveforms
[19:16] <gordonDrogon> educated folks in the art of not accidentally deleting files too...
[19:17] <gordonDrogon> 12 miles of bank holiday traffic and I'll be home.
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[19:18] <IT_Sean> 12 miles?
[19:18] <IT_Sean> That's insane
[19:19] * hydroxygen only has to go 8 miles to post office
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[19:20] <hydroxygen> and thats too close
[19:20] * IT_Sean has 1.4 mile commute to/from work
[19:21] <Chaz6> Mine is 0.5mi, nice 10 minute walk in the morning :)
[19:21] <Chaz6> and the gym is halfway between work and home
[19:22] <IT_Sean> between home and work, for me, is a couple of small restaurants, and a field that sometimes has cows in it.
[19:22] <Bushmills> ah, "bring your own food"
[19:23] <IT_Sean> ?
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[19:24] <Bushmills> the cows
[19:24] <IT_Sean> no, the cow field and the restaurants are unrelated, save for relative location to one another
[19:24] <Mortvert> IT_Sean, the cows make freshest burgers
[19:24] <Mortvert> or steaks
[19:25] <IT_Sean> Burgers don't come from cows, though... they come from the burger restaurant.
[19:25] <Chaz6> On my route there's a place called leather lounge, so kinda cows
[19:25] <Chaz6> It sells furniture
[19:25] * IT_Sean is confused.
[19:25] <IT_Sean> :p
[19:25] <Mortvert> IT_Sean, but the meat is mechanically-separated meat
[19:26] <IT_Sean> Leather lounge, aye... Could be a furniture store, or one of those 'special' clubs you like going to, Chaz6.
[19:26] * Armand haunts IT_Sean's house
[19:26] <Chaz6> Oh if only my town was that interesting
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[19:48] <schnuws> Elo!
[19:48] <IT_Sean> o/
[19:49] <Mortvert> IT_Sean, leather lounge ain't so bad, it'd be worse if it was latex lounge
[19:49] <schnuws> I tried to boot my pi few minutes ago, first time in a few days. and can't read the sdcard? o_O Anyone know why?
[19:49] <Mortvert> schnuws, is it flashed the right way?
[19:49] <schnuws> Been using it for a few months without problems
[19:50] <Mortvert> maybe the card died
[19:50] <schnuws> it was chillin beside my tv for a few days, and boom. not working today
[19:50] <schnuws> yea, it can boot other cards
[19:50] <Mortvert> then yep, card died
[19:50] <IT_Sean> make sure the card is seated properly
[19:50] <schnuws> how is that possible? o.o
[19:50] <schnuws> I tried another sdcard and it booted
[19:50] <Mortvert> schnuws, SD cards have limited lifetime
[19:51] <IT_Sean> card dead, then.
[19:51] <schnuws> but just a few months? o.o I got another pi that have been running for 8months without interupts
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[19:51] <schnuws> and "a few" means around 2 months
[19:52] <schnuws> oh, and the card works in my laptop
[19:52] <piney0> schnuws, can you read the card on another pc?
[19:52] <piney0> ahh
[19:52] <schnuws> :P
[19:52] <zegerjan> not corrupt in any way?
[19:53] <piney0> i would say the data is corrupt. possibly not shut down correctly to cause the issue
[19:53] <ShadowJK> did you just pull power, or did you shut down first?
[19:53] <schnuws> pull power
[19:53] <schnuws> ...
[19:53] <ShadowJK> right.
[19:53] <schnuws> Thats my problem? =D
[19:53] <ShadowJK> it doesn't exactly help
[19:54] <schnuws> What can go wrong when just shuttin down?
[19:56] <piney0> schnuws, as an example, say it's in the middle of a write when you just pulled the power. good things can't possibly come from that.
[19:57] <schnuws> obviously, but where does the problem occur? Fixable from another computer?
[19:58] <piney0> it might be able to be fixed. fsck on linux is what i used last time to fix mine. backing up frequently isn't a bad idea either
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[19:59] <schnuws> yea, Im soo sad about not backin up =(
[19:59] <piney0> i was too until I got my pi
[20:00] <schnuws> so, using the pi as backup?
[20:01] <piney0> i don't pull the power plug, but i swear, sometimes updating firmware with rpi-update broke the boot partition
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[20:01] <piney0> no, as a headless server around the house basically
[20:01] <bertrik> I think I broke my raspbian install too with a firmware upgrade, the thing had been running successfully for months
[20:02] <jkbbwr> IT_Sean: Im talking to the USB input drivers losing 60/70% of all keyboard input from HID devices
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[20:02] <schnuws> mkay
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[20:03] <DarkByD3sign> Evening all
[20:03] <zegerjan> piney0, what do you mean by 'headless'
[20:03] <DarkByD3sign> Anyone managed to get I2P & ZNC working together on the #Pi
[20:03] <piney0> zegerjan, no monitor, keyboard, or mouse
[20:04] <zegerjan> ahh, thanks. Could have worked that out..
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[20:15] <Raspiman> Hi
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[20:17] <Raspiman> I have this relay switch: http://i.imgur.com/Z2W6cHc.png i have a doorbel. The doorbell must be functional normally + when some1 press the doorbel button. a GPIO pin on the raspberry pi must be switched on. Can i mannage that with this relay?
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[20:18] <Raspiman> The doorbell is 230v->8V doorbell
[20:18] <Raspiman> 8v (AC)
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[20:18] <piney0> interesting
[20:18] <piney0> Raspiman, have any diodes around?
[20:19] <Raspiman> Guess not, this relay and some transistors
[20:19] <piney0> convert that 8v ac to DC, and it should be closer to the 5v DC needed for that relay
[20:20] <IT_Sean> Keep in mind that the GPIO on the raspi is 3v.
[20:21] <Raspiman> Hmz, okey :P
[20:21] <piney0> would be fine if the relay end is hooked up to the pi using the dry contacts
[20:21] <ShiftPlusOne> and 'course you'll need a transistor.
[20:22] <Raspiman> need to learn a lot ;)
[20:23] <IT_Sean> I only mention it because if you were to feed 8v, or even 5v into one of the 3.3v GPIO pins on the raspi, you would release the magical blue smoke.
[20:23] <IT_Sean> And one you release the magical blue smoke, electronics stop working.
[20:24] <Raspiman> Yes.. and i dont like smoke :)
[20:24] <Raspiman> I dont need the relay then?
[20:24] <Raspiman> i also have these transistors : http://nl.farnell.com/fairchild-semiconductor/tip122/transistor-npn-to-220/dp/1467910
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[20:34] <rymate1234> som guys
[20:34] <rymate1234> how long do you reckon compiling Xorg will be?
[20:35] <IT_Sean> Sometime between 2 minutes, and 2 years.
[20:36] <Mogwai> rymate1234: I'd guess about 5-6 hours
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[20:36] <rymate1234> yay
[20:37] <rymate1234> fun!
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[20:38] <Giric> ?!
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[20:39] <Giric> exit
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[20:45] <rymate1234> Do
[20:45] <rymate1234> Meh
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[20:46] <ozzzy> well... new supply and cable works well.... 5.00v with a load
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[20:46] <MickFann> Hey there
[20:47] <MickFann> I'm having a hard time trying to make my USB keyboard work with a fresh compiled kernel for Rpi... Dont know what else could be needed, have included HID bus support, USB HID, USB Support, Synopsys HCD host suppoer (as included in Raspbian built), generic input device layer, and so..
[20:47] <MickFann> My keyb works fine with raspbian distribution, and it's identifyed as 04f3:0103 Elan Microelectronics Corp.
[20:48] <MickFann> my .config is here http://pastebin.com/GG5z6ZdB Maybe someone expert with pi hardware may tell what am I missing? :S
[20:48] <MickFann> (modules loaded at bootup are in the end of the past)
[20:49] <pksato> I dont remember last time when I compile kernel.
[20:50] <pksato> MickFann: on compiled kernel, lsusb show usb devices?
[20:50] <ShiftPlusOne> Do other USB devices work?
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[20:51] <MickFann> good question.. dont have the keyb to test it, and didn't included any ssh/telnet servers yet..
[20:52] <pksato> oh...
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[20:52] <pksato> put lsusb command on /etc/rc.local
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[20:53] <pksato> make kernel verbosity (remove quite from cmdline.txt)
[20:53] <MickFann> pksato good call.. doing it..
[20:54] <linuxstb> MickFann: If you do "cat /proc/config.gz' on a Raspbian install, that will give you the .config from the running kernel. You can then do a diff
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[20:56] <MickFann> linuxstb: I've compared them... nothing that I could tell nearly related to the keyb could be missing =/ (but obviously, something is)
[20:57] <pksato> MickFann: vanilla kernel (direct from kernel.org)?
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[20:59] <gordonDrogon> did you include the Input module?
[20:59] <pksato> I dont know if raspberry pi (bcm soc and smc usb hub) specific patchs goes to main stream kernel tree.
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[21:03] <Redostrike> just got my console cable and case in :) also t-cobbler (but my iron is not here)
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[21:04] <DarkByD3sign> Anyone managed to get I2P & ZNC working together on the #Pi
[21:05] <MickFann> pksato: got the sources from raspbian for 3.6.11
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[21:06] <MickFann> already patched (I also rebuilt the full .config from raspbian's kernel, which got me the keyb working), but I'm working to build a minimal system..
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[21:10] <bts__> anybody familiar with programming on ARM with gnu asm?
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[21:14] <comjf> quick question, can this be done. rpi gpio to pci-e... I don't care about the limitations of the connection as my program will almost entirely be run on a GPU with very little communication back to the rpi unit
[21:15] <IT_Sean> i'm going to go with "no"
[21:16] <comjf> IT_Sean: that's what I figured, but no harm in asking eh?
[21:16] <IT_Sean> indeed.
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[21:17] <IT_Sean> I mean... almost anything is possible with enough ingenuity, a big enough budget, and a massive pile of electronics in the middle. But, there is no "it just works / plug it in and go" option.
[21:17] <gryphraff> I'd go with "Yes, but you'd need some exotic buffering..."
[21:17] <IT_Sean> heh
[21:17] <IT_Sean> read: a massive pile of electronics in the middle
[21:18] <comjf> well first, does some kind of connector exist, adapter or not
[21:18] <gryphraff> I've always found you can connect anything to anything, assuming you have enough money, time, and chips.
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[21:18] <IT_Sean> comjf: no.
[21:18] <IT_Sean> There would be no premade adapter.
[21:18] <IT_Sean> IF it is even possilbe, you would have to roll your own solution
[21:18] <comjf> yeah
[21:18] <IT_Sean> You are talking about two entirely different protocols here.
[21:18] <gryphraff> You may be able to find a PCI-E GPIO card that you could talk to, but that's an inelegant solution.
[21:18] <comjf> is the pci-e protocol even open source?
[21:19] <IT_Sean> I can tell you there is absolutely no way to just plug a pci-e device into the raspi's gpio and have it magically work. You will need active componenets in between, to act as a sort of buffer / translator.
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[21:20] <comjf> right. Does anyone know of a low cost board like the rpi that has a built in solution for connecting to a pci-e device?
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[21:20] <IT_Sean> I, personally, do not.
[21:21] <IT_Sean> And i think you will find: PCI-E, low cost, pick one.
[21:21] <BurtyB> comjf, probably something fpga based
[21:21] <comjf> low cost in relation to buying a whole new motherboard
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[21:22] <IT_Sean> the PCI-E board routing is fairly complex, before you even begin on the protocol. I do not think you are going to find something in the raspi price bracket that will natively accept a PCI-E device.
[21:22] <gryphraff> comjif: what are you trying to make? Is there another route you could go?
[21:24] <gryphraff> A USB to GPIO device may be a good choice
[21:24] <comjf> gryphraff: I have a simulation model i've built using opencl to run on a GPU
[21:24] <comjf> I'm trying to get it off my desktop and put it on something else
[21:25] <comjf> smaller and cheaper if I wanted to produce more of them
[21:25] <comjf> so I wouldn;t have to build a whole computer
[21:25] <comjf> for essentially just a GPU
[21:26] <gryphraff> "The open standard for parallel programming of heterogeneous systems" I'll pretend I know what that means. I'll read the webpage for it.
[21:26] <IT_Sean> Buy an inexpensive motherboard
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[21:27] <MickFann> comjf I've read somewhere, some time ago, some dude ran remote code on a ATI gpu not using PCI-E, but some pins that are used to debug the card.. He even draw some graphics and show it on a monitor..
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[21:27] <comjf> MickFann: oh wow haha, that would be awesome
[21:28] <MickFann> trying to find the url here
[21:28] <gryphraff> Do you need PCI-E? There are a number of very more-than-a-Pi but attractive x86 solutions out there.
[21:29] <comjf> gryphraff: I need to run a powerful GPU, that's about it.... you know what I thought. I might go ask bitcoin.. isnt that the same thing, they essentially just use a GPU for making coins
[21:29] <Redostrike> just connected my console cable and tryed to go to my pi trough putty but cant seem to get any command prompt. I'm sure the SD card works (cause i checked). I tried with usb power and without usb power. And if i use the checkchip program the program reconizes the pi. Any ideas?
[21:29] <comjf> maybe they have some integrated system where they just plug in a GPU to a custom board
[21:30] <gryphraff> It sounds like a cheap i3 motherboard with a heavy-duty VGA card.
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[21:30] <gryphraff> I've seen some that support minimal processors with SLI cards
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[21:32] <gryphraff> Working with a NISE-104 machine right now that I thought of first, but it doesn't have a very nice GPU
[21:32] <comjf> yeah wel I have to run, thanks for all your help guys
[21:32] <comjf> I'll stay afk incase MickFann finds that link ;)
[21:33] <MickFann> alright
[21:33] <MickFann> pvt you if found
[21:35] <gryphraff> redostrike: did you enable the ssh server in raspi-config? I assume the answer is yes.
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[21:37] <Redostrike> yes i did but i feel stupid
[21:37] <Redostrike> i got a black screen
[21:37] <Redostrike> just needed to press enter once
[21:37] <Redostrike> there was the login :)
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[21:38] <gryphraff> It asked you for a login name, you put in pi...
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[21:39] <Redostrike> yeah
[21:39] <Redostrike> i just got black screen for 4 minutes
[21:39] <Redostrike> just needed to press enter
[21:39] <Redostrike> return*
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[21:42] <gryphraff> If it's the first time you've tried to use this card, you may want to reload it or try a new card. Some SD cards are flaky
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[21:58] <MickFann> comjf: There it is: http://www.edaboard.com/thread236934.html http://www.flickr.com/photos/73923873@N05/sets/72157628794295861
[22:00] <ShiftPlusOne> MickFann, madness O_O
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[22:04] <chris_99> what psu do you guys use for the Pi
[22:05] <ShiftPlusOne> Either an Apple one or straight off a lapdock.
[22:05] <IT_Sean> I use an iPad changer. I've also confirmed that the charger for a Nexus 4 works.
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[22:06] <gellis> hey
[22:08] <ShiftPlusOne> hi
[22:08] <MickFann> ShiftPlusOne cool, right? After all the complicated job, instead of using a regular dvi monitor to get the results, he adapts a notebook panel on the card output.. hardcore user =)
[22:08] <ShiftPlusOne> heh
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[22:10] <chris_99> what amperage do you need for the RPi too actually, i noticed the adapter i'm using atm is 1A
[22:11] <geordie> 1A ought to be enough for anybody
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[22:11] <ShiftPlusOne> It will use about 200mA IIRC, then take into account usb devices and the polyfuse which limits it to somewhere under 1A
[22:12] <chris_99> okey doke, cool cheers
[22:12] <ShiftPlusOne> While 1A is technically enough, not all supplies are honest. For example, it might only provide 4v at 1A rather than the full 5.
[22:13] <SpeedEvil> or it might catch fire
[22:13] <ShiftPlusOne> And you also don't know how the supply reacts to spikes in the load.
[22:13] <SpeedEvil> I strongly recommend only using 'brand name' chargers from official supply chains
[22:14] <ShiftPlusOne> Catch fire, kill you, connect your electronics directly to mains... yeah, that's all fun stuff that can happen with cheap supplies.
[22:14] <SpeedEvil> that is - apple, Google, Samsung, ... - and not from eBay or little merchants on amazon
[22:14] <chris_99> hmm i found the RS one i got really poor iirc
[22:14] <pksato> late, best way to get PCI-E bus is from DSI connector. :)
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[22:14] <SpeedEvil> haha
[22:16] <ozzzy> the cheap supplies come out of the same factory that the expensive ones come from....
[22:18] <gellis> on XBMC on my pi when I play 108p videos they don't show full screen only in a box in the centre of the screen. Why does this happen? :)
[22:18] <gellis> *1080p
[22:19] <pksato> gellis: you screen/monitor is not have 1080 lines.
[22:20] <chris_99> anyone used one for 'ere http://shop.pimoroni.com/collections/accessories/products/uk-power-adaptor-5v-1a-dc#291153607
[22:21] <ShiftPlusOne> The factory does not matter as much as the pcb design and materials used. Apple can be held liable if they don't meet certification criteria or claim certification they don't have or if their electronics cause you harm. The same cannot be said about ebay sellers in China, even if some of those supplies come fromt he same factories.
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[22:23] <SpeedEvil> quite
[22:23] <SpeedEvil> the parts in a cheap charger are well, well under a dollar
[22:23] <SpeedEvil> you basically can't make a safe charger for that
[22:24] <ozzzy> I just look for the CSA or UL sticker
[22:25] <ozzzy> I don't plug anything into mains that doesn't have one
[22:25] <chris_99> ended up getting the one from Pimoroni, they have fancy coloured usb power cables!!!!!!!!1111111111 ;)
[22:25] <SpeedEvil> http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=T88ej64aXUM
[22:26] <SpeedEvil> ozzzy: CSA/ul stickers are easily printed
[22:26] <gellis> does the raspberry pi have problems powering a usb hard drive?
[22:26] <SpeedEvil> the above shows what's inside a cheap PSU
[22:26] <ozzzy> yep... but if they're on the shelf in BestBuy with a number.... they're probably good
[22:26] <SpeedEvil> gellis: yes
[22:26] <ShiftPlusOne> gellis, with a hub or straight to pi?
[22:26] <gellis> straight to pi
[22:26] <SpeedEvil> ozzzy: possibly
[22:26] <ShiftPlusOne> (powered hub)
[22:27] <gellis> when i plug it in it reboots the pi and then just keeps clicking
[22:27] <ShiftPlusOne> gellis, unlikely to work without a powered hub, afaik.
[22:27] <gellis> and doesn't mount
[22:27] <gellis> ah ok :)
[22:27] <gellis> thought as much
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[23:17] <djazz> has anyone got any lighter WM than LXDE to run on their pi?
[23:17] <djazz> I want to use and learn Awesome, but its so slow
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[23:19] <gordonDrogon> I've used xfce4
[23:19] <gordonDrogon> seems fine.
[23:21] <djazz> would it run better on lower resolutions? can I change resolution within X?
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[23:22] <djazz> wayland/weston looks promising
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[23:23] <ozzzy> I tried whatever is the default on raspbian... it worked grea
[23:23] <ozzzy> t
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[23:23] <djazz> ozzzy: thats LXDE
[23:23] <axelm7> hi guys, quick question. Got a Raspberry PI SD card with a certain image I want to back up using Windows. What is the correct tool for creating the img file? WinImage?
[23:24] <djazz> axelm7: the same tool that you wrote the image
[23:24] <djazz> just write a new filename and press Read
[23:24] <djazz> I havent tried but i think that's what it does
[23:24] <axelm7> well, I wrote the SD card using dd on Fedora, but now I want to backup from Windows
[23:24] <djazz> win32diskimager
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[23:25] <djazz> axelm7: http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/311/how-do-i-backup-my-raspberry-pi
[23:25] <axelm7> djazz, thanks
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[23:30] <axelm7> seems like the image file has to be preexisting and large enough to contain all the data on the SD card
[23:30] <djazz> oh
[23:30] <djazz> hm
[23:30] <axelm7> I'll switch to Fedora and use dd
[23:30] <axelm7> thanks anyways
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[23:37] <djazz> anyone runs Arch on their pi?
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[23:38] <djazz> want to make the last part of the boot more pretty?
[23:39] <djazz> Here's a systemd service I made for a bootsplash animation, using omxplayer: http://pastebin.com/9aXrcNtG
[23:39] <djazz> :D
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