#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2013-05-25

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[0:03] <stapper> If I put a better antenna on my wifi stick will I be able to get more range or do I also need more power?
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[0:03] <g2nightmare> can anyone help me set up smtp on my pi?
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[0:04] <stapper> g2 have you looked at this => http://rpi.tnet.com/project/faqs/smtp
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[0:07] <SpeedEvil> an antenna with more gain is better
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[0:10] <stapper> What bothers me is the power issue, how do I know how much extra power it is going to draw when using a higher gain antenna
[0:10] <SpeedEvil> none
[0:11] <SpeedEvil> a higher gain antenna confines the signal to a small portion of the sphere
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[0:17] <stapper> Wouldn't that make the AP have less range? I was told that Wifi N can get a range of 70m (230ft) indoor,how is this done? not only by a higher gain antenna?
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[0:19] <pksato> 70m? indoor without walls?
[0:19] <stapper> I read some intresting articles today but I can't seem to understand how an antenna actually works
[0:21] <stapper> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_802.11 under protocol
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[0:22] <SpeedEvil> stapper: an omnidirectional antenna is like a candle
[0:22] <SpeedEvil> it emits equally in all directions
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[0:23] <SpeedEvil> if you add a lens, it can emit very much more strongly in one part of the sphere
[0:24] <SpeedEvil> if you then consider it backwards, that same lens will make a light coming from the direction the beam is aimed at look brighter from where the candle is
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[0:27] <stapper> Thanks for trying to explain this to me, but I'm still baffled about the fact that you can look at something with a 100 million kazillion people all at the same time and the light doesn't run out, everybody can see it at the same time... So it's hard to get something new in for the moment, I'll remember what you said, and will become al clear to me in a dream, thanks
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[0:29] <SpeedEvil> the light from an object radiates into space.
[0:29] <SpeedEvil> consider the surface of a sphere 1m from an object
[0:29] <stapper> But how many eyes does it take to consume hat light
[0:30] <SpeedEvil> an eye can only ever absorb the bit of light that is radiated in its direction
[0:30] <stapper> Last time I thought about it, my head exploded trying to comprhent how much light there is
[0:31] <SpeedEvil> so, 1m from an object, you can fit 400000 eyes
[0:31] <SpeedEvil> that is, the 5mm circle of the pupil
[0:31] <SpeedEvil> light goes in straight lines
[0:32] <pksato> eyes/antenna dont not sucks, only uses energy that come.
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[0:33] <stapper> Thanks, And to go completly off topic(sorry) how long do you need to watch a laser of 1mm before you "consumed" all the light, if you were able to follow it, or hold it still
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[0:33] <SpeedEvil> never
[0:34] <SpeedEvil> the light from a laser, if pointed away from the earth outside will go billions of years
[0:34] <SpeedEvil> (with a clear sky)
[0:34] <stapper> But but... never?! if you see it don't you take a tiny part of it?
[0:35] <SpeedEvil> you can only see the part of the beam reflected into your eye
[0:35] <nid0> you'll only see a laser if you're looking directly at it, or its being reflected off something
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[0:36] <SpeedEvil> the fact it's gone in the 5mm circle that is the window to your eye is in no way special.
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[0:37] <SpeedEvil> it means no more than if it his a 5mm rock
[0:38] <SpeedEvil> light goes in straight lines unless something changes its path
[0:38] <ring0> n
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[0:39] * stapper does not compute...
[0:40] <SpeedEvil> http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_(optics)
[0:40] <stapper> I honestly don't get it, how can you take that information without interacting with that light
[0:43] <SpeedEvil> you interact only with that light which is directed our scattered into your eye
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[0:44] <SpeedEvil> all of the other light goes somewhere else. not caring that some has hit your eye
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[0:45] <stapper> So in my laser of 1mm how long do i need to watch it before all has hit my eye, in a foggy place travelling along the beam
[0:46] <stapper> Or in other words if we're both staringat t*ts is there less ti*s form me to stare at?
[0:46] <SpeedEvil> you mean a beam diameter of 1mm?
[0:47] <stapper> I was thinking lenght but sure also diameter
[0:47] <SpeedEvil> the beam in fog radiates in all directions.
[0:48] <SpeedEvil> your eye only interacts with the light scattered in its direction
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[0:48] <SpeedEvil> same as with sound
[0:48] <pksato> ah...
[0:48] <pksato> stapper: no time need to wait.
[0:48] <SpeedEvil> do you go deaf because there are other people around?
[0:48] <stapper> Okay I'm going to head over to Askscience and ask them how long light radiates and they are going to tell me forever and call me names
[0:48] <pksato> if I undestend you question.
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[0:49] <SpeedEvil> stapper: your question is not well formed
[0:49] <stapper> no but sound travles in waves and moves the atoms around it like air or in water it is carried by the "ether" light isn't
[0:49] <SpeedEvil> it has an English, but not a physical meaning
[0:50] <SpeedEvil> also, ##physics
[0:50] <pksato> read about Photoelectric Effect
[0:50] <stapper> no okaay the ether isn't real but I meant that sound travels throug a medium, it can't exist in a "vacuum" light can, though it wouldn't be a vacuum anymore, i think
[0:51] <stapper> Sorry to go way off topic with you guys, thanks for this nice chat, i'll give it a rest and think about it
[0:51] <SpeedEvil> it is. photons don't make it not a vacuum
[0:53] <stapper> SpeedEvil: Thanks for your time, but since this isn't about raspberrypi anymore I'm just going to think about it, we'll meet again
[0:53] <pksato> its are a secular question, Newton to Einstein. (or before)
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[0:54] <SpeedEvil> ##physics is good
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[1:17] <g2nightmare> is anyone here that can help me with citadel on my raspberry pi?
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[1:23] <stapper> What's citadel?
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[1:29] <g2nightmare> SMTP server
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[1:29] <g2nightmare> agh
[1:29] <g2nightmare> i'm about to give up. :P
[1:29] * ChanServ sets mode +o IT_Sean
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[1:30] <g2nightmare> maybe it_sean knows? :D
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[1:31] <hybr1d8> what's failing?
[1:31] <IT_Sean> I probably do know.
[1:32] <IT_Sean> What's the question.
[1:32] <IT_Sean> ??
[1:32] <g2nightmare> oh
[1:32] <g2nightmare> so i set up citadel on my pi
[1:33] <g2nightmare> and i'm trying to get SMTP to work
[1:33] <g2nightmare> but i keep getting dns no data errors
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[1:33] <g2nightmare> do you have any ideas?
[1:34] <IT_Sean> no idea.
[1:34] <g2nightmare> well then
[1:34] <hybr1d8> where is the error showing up?
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[1:34] <hybr1d8> at send/receive/startup/init/delivery etc
[1:35] <g2nightmare> well it comes back in my inbox on citadel
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[1:35] <g2nightmare> A message you sent could not be delivered to some or all of its recipients.
[1:35] <g2nightmare> The following addresses were undeliverable:
[1:35] <g2nightmare> <my email>: DNS server returned answer with no data
[1:36] <hybr1d8> problem getting MX record from dns server?
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[1:37] <g2nightmare> im not sure if my mx is set up right
[1:37] <g2nightmare> but it looks like this
[1:37] <IT_Sean> what's the domain?
[1:37] <g2nightmare> domain.com MX 504:mail.domain.com
[1:37] <IT_Sean> your domain is domain.com? i don't think so...
[1:37] <g2nightmare> no that's an example
[1:37] <g2nightmare> i didn't know if i wanted to give out my domain
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[1:38] <IT_Sean> how do you plan to recieve email if you don't... nevermind.
[1:38] <hybr1d8> Also check A record
[1:38] <IT_Sean> PM it to me?
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[1:38] <g2nightmare> A record works for my normal apache
[1:39] <g2nightmare> my mail.domain.com forwards to domain.com:442 which is the citadel gui
[1:39] <IT_Sean> your MX record is in place correctly
[1:39] <IT_Sean> Although, it does look like you have an extra . in there
[1:39] <g2nightmare> even as mail.domain.com instead of just domain.com?
[1:39] <g2nightmare> what do you mean
[1:39] <IT_Sean> Is that the hostname for your mail server?
[1:40] <IT_Sean> you've hot mail.DOMAIN.com. See the extra . on the end?
[1:40] <maxinux> whats this 504:mail.domain.com ... 504: should go away
[1:40] <g2nightmare> no that's a period
[1:40] <g2nightmare> from me typing sentences.
[1:40] <IT_Sean> I'm looking at your MX record, online. I ran an MX check on it
[1:40] <IT_Sean> YOu have an extra .
[1:40] <g2nightmare> not in my editor?
[1:40] <g2nightmare> i'm using freedns.afraid.org as my dynamic dns
[1:41] <IT_Sean> All i can see is that you have a dot on the end.
[1:41] <g2nightmare> can you link me what you are using?
[1:41] <IT_Sean> is your mail server's domain name mail.DOMAIN.com ?
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[1:41] <IT_Sean> g2nightmare: i'm using too.ly
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[1:41] <g2nightmare> i'm really not sure, i'm not good at networking stuff.
[1:41] <IT_Sean> clearly. :p
[1:41] <g2nightmare> all i know is that citadel can be accessed on port 442
[1:42] <maxinux> how about you share the real hostname
[1:42] <maxinux> and we can resolve it and look at it
[1:42] <IT_Sean> There is really no harm in telling us, dude.
[1:42] <g2nightmare> no it's cool
[1:42] <g2nightmare> hiremattmuller.com
[1:42] * IT_Sean is going to pop over to his other computer
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[1:43] <g2nightmare> i'm really confused. ;-;
[1:43] <maxinux> hiremattmuller.com. 3600 IN MX 504 mail.hiremattmuller.com.
[1:43] <maxinux> why the 504?
[1:43] <g2nightmare> because 10 was there previously by default
[1:43] <IT_Sean> That's the priority
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[1:43] <g2nightmare> and 504 is what citadel uses
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[1:44] <maxinux> its usually set to a low number for the primary ;)
[1:44] <IT_Sean> But he only has the one record, so, it's more or less moot
[1:44] <maxinux> yeah
[1:44] <maxinux> but its also moot for configuring a client
[1:44] <iam8up> i just got my first rpi model B and i'm having some issues with it; i think most if not all of them are steming from the file system being mounted as ro
[1:44] <maxinux> what is the exact action you are doing, and the exact error?
[1:44] <g2nightmare> in my /etc/default/webcit
[1:45] <iam8up> i just got the wheezy 2013-02-09 release and used the win32 disk imager to put it on the sd card
[1:45] <g2nightmare> citadel port is 504 so that's what i set it to
[1:45] <g2nightmare> so did i do it wrong?
[1:45] <iam8up> well if i do an apt-get update it complains it is mounted as ro
[1:45] <iam8up> and then the update of raspi-config says "there was an error" with no other information
[1:45] <maxinux> that server does not listen on port 25 ... so mail wont work
[1:46] <g2nightmare> how do you know and how do i fix?
[1:46] <maxinux> cause i telneted to it on port 25
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[1:46] <maxinux> and configure and launch a mail server dameon
[1:46] <maxinux> daemon*
[1:46] <maxinux> postfix is my recomendation
[1:46] <maxinux> but do lots of research first
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[1:46] <g2nightmare> what about using 587 instead of 25
[1:48] <g2nightmare> ?
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[1:49] <iam8up> here's another weird one - if i double tab bash complains it can't create a temp file
[1:50] <iam8up> i noticed /dev/root is mounted to / - shouldn't that be /dev/mmcblk0p2 ?
[1:50] <g2nightmare> iam8up try reinstalling your OS on your root
[1:50] <g2nightmare> when i first got my pi, i had problems, just follow the SD flashing directions and everything should work properly
[1:50] <iam8up> g2nightmare, i just flashed it and it was like that, are you saying flash it again?
[1:51] <g2nightmare> yeah redownload the distribution and try it again
[1:51] <g2nightmare> check md5
[1:51] <iam8up> ok i'll try that
[1:52] <maxinux> g2nightmare: must be 25 or other servers cant get to you
[1:52] <g2nightmare> uh
[1:52] <g2nightmare> so what does postfix do for me?
[1:53] <maxinux> postfix is the mail server
[1:53] <maxinux> it listens for requests from other servers to send you mail
[1:53] <g2nightmare> so i remove citadel?
[1:54] <iam8up> sha1 is wrong =/
[1:55] <iam8up> i trusted the http download like an idiot...i will try the torrent now
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[2:15] <iam8up> oh the sha1 is of the zip, so the file is all good...weird...
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[2:18] <BurtyB> heh an md5 of the archive really doesn't help when you write the image IMHO
[2:20] <iam8up> i was doing a sha1 of the img (that you dd)
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[2:20] <iam8up> before/after compressed are OK to md5 because you'll always get the same uncompressed data if the sum of the compressed matches
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[2:33] <iam8up> looks like the sd card was bad
[2:33] <iam8up> it was a model i specifically bought from the compatibility list...so probably bad before incompatible
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[3:20] <elek_> i have a headless rpi and was wondering if anyone know of an app/script that will send some sort of notification (sms, email, irc.. tweet) when the ip changes or comes online
[3:22] <nerdboy> nagios maybe?
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[3:22] <nerdboy> assuming there's an arm client or source you can build...
[3:23] <elek_> i dont need a full fledge monitoring system.. ideally just a small utility
[3:23] <nerdboy> the client side is small... you jusy need a nagios server to collect the notifications
[3:23] <elek_> ya that seems overkill for what i need though
[3:24] <nerdboy> yup, but the only thing i know of off the top of my ass that's flexible enough
[3:27] <elek_> oh i just need it to do one of the 4 things, not all of them
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[3:28] <[Saint]> Is there any reason why you're not just running a simple script to check this yourself?
[3:28] <nerdboy> well, apparently google is still your friend...
[3:28] <[Saint]> There's a LOT of ways you could do this.
[3:28] <nerdboy> http://sourceforge.net/projects/ipmonitor/
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[3:29] <nerdboy> "runs as a linux daemon"
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[3:29] <[Saint]> I would just write a tiny script that checked ifconfig, saved the result, and then ran every <foo> minutes and compared to see if it changed, then do <whatever_you_want_it_to> if it did.
[3:30] <[Saint]> a few minutes work.
[3:30] <nerdboy> certainly looks like it meets your stated requirements
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[3:35] <nerdboy> so all i need is the wiring harness to use my car navigation display for the pi analog video...
[3:37] <[Saint]> nerdboy: you can buy a reversing camera with an RCA input off eBay et al for ~$5 USD
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[3:38] <[Saint]> Dead simple.
[3:38] <nerdboy> if it comes with a toyota wiring harness i'm there
[3:38] <[Saint]> why do you need the wiring harness?
[3:38] <nerdboy> it has the rca jack
[3:39] <nerdboy> the audio/nav system has some weird plastic connector for the harness side
[3:39] <[Saint]> Its easier to just leave that one in place and mount another.
[3:39] <nerdboy> it's the factory system
[3:39] <[Saint]> plumb 12V from the ACC line of ignition, that';s all you'd need.
[3:40] <nerdboy> the stereo i put in the vw had an a/v jack right on the front
[3:40] <[Saint]> I guess I'm misunderstanding what it is you're wanting to do.
[3:41] <[Saint]> ...anyway, I put an rpi and a 4" screen in my car for about $20USD
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[3:42] <nerdboy> in this case i have the screen in the dash, but i need an analog video (rca phono jack) for it
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[3:42] <[Saint]> It would be a LOT easier to just mount another screen.
[3:42] <nerdboy> so i don't actually need the backup camera, just a cable attached
[3:42] <[Saint]> you can pick up the screen and mounting bezel for a few bucks.
[3:43] <nerdboy> yeah, i looked at some of those 4" analog displays
[3:43] <nerdboy> that's about as much as i'd be willing to pay
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[3:52] <nerdboy> what i'd really like to do is replace the stereo aux jack in the dash with a combo a/v jack and connect the "v" part to the backup camera input
[3:53] <nerdboy> essentially what i had on the stereo in my old car but with a bigger display
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[4:08] <ShorTie> mornin guys and gals
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[4:09] <Haxxa> hello, has anyone used libcec before
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[4:14] <nerdboy> not sure what it is, so probably not...
[4:14] <Haxxa> ok
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[4:16] <nerdboy> okay, portage says "Library for communicating with the Pulse-Eight USB HDMI-CEC Adaptor" so that would be a definite "no"
[4:17] <Mogwai> Haxxa: Used it in what way? Do you mean written code with it?
[4:17] <Haxxa> no just tried it out before, I am struggling to get it to work and I'm wondering how other people have used it has success with it.
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[4:18] <Mogwai> Haxxa: Oh then yes, I've done that .. you need to build from git .. the one in the Raspbian repo has no Pi support oddly enough
[4:18] <Haxxa> ah ok
[4:18] <Haxxa> I'll do that now
[4:18] <Haxxa> I pulled from repo
[4:19] <Mogwai> Haxxa: I have some build instructions from my book, I'll send it in a PM
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[4:28] <nerdboy> nothing like a nice git recipe...
[4:30] <nerdboy> especially with SRCREV = "${AUTOREV}"
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[4:35] <BoomerET> Odd thing, I created a SD on this notebook, works fine... But now the PC doesn't recognize it, but in an external card reader it does.
[4:35] <BoomerET> Just find that amusing.
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[4:37] <timmy0020> This may be a stupid question, but I tried installing the new Fedora remix via the 'headless' mode where I should be able to set it up without a gui. Only problem is that I don't know what the username/password is to log in initially... anyone know what it is?
[4:37] <[Saint]> timmy0020: I suspect Google does.
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[4:38] <timmy0020> I must be using the wrong search terms because I can't find it.
[4:39] <[Saint]> root raspberrypi
[4:40] <[Saint]> For some strange reason, someone went and put this information on the wiki for the fedora raspberrypi project...strange huh? :P
[4:41] <[Saint]> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Raspberry_Pi#Customizing_the_installation_on_first_boot if you'd like to view it yourself
[4:42] <timmy0020> sweet. Like I said, it was a stupid (obvious) question. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction
[4:42] <[Saint]> fyi search term was "fedora remix raspberry pi username password"
[4:42] <[Saint]> sometimes you need to cram in the search terms to get what you want.
[4:43] <pksato> timmy0020: pidora?
[4:46] <timmy0020> yes.
[4:48] * hydroxygen is on day#2 using pidora via hdmi
[4:53] <hydroxygen> i found a sweet self-powered usb hub today for $3 .works with keybrd / optic mouse in A port and wifi card in B ..stable so far..
[4:53] <[Saint]> define "self powered".
[4:54] <hydroxygen> powered by pi ..not external
[4:54] <[Saint]> As in, it has its own power source, or, it is passively powered from the pi?
[4:54] <[Saint]> Right. I'd be careful, then.
[4:54] <[Saint]> That's a bit much draw for the poor wee pi.
[4:54] <hydroxygen> my other hubs reset alot..this was a wimm buy....
[4:54] <hydroxygen> 1 amp supply
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[4:55] <[Saint]> keyboard and mouse, likely cool. wifi? yeah...probably best to have an actively powered hub.
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[4:55] <hydroxygen> it does have a power port..but need to find the right plug for it
[5:00] <hydroxygen> i just had to buy it for $3. closeout shelf.. also got a usb 33 in 1 card reader for $3 .. just might go back tomorrow and get another pair
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[5:01] <[Saint]> Oh, yeah...good to have, at that price...just not so good for the application at hand.
[5:01] <hydroxygen> was surprised to see ext power port on it
[5:02] <hydroxygen> believe me, i tried to power it via ext first.. lol
[5:02] <hydroxygen> my tablet plug is just too small..later i guess
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[5:04] <hydroxygen> just before i went to town, i was searching powered usb hubs. this must be fate
[5:05] <[Saint]> The supply doesn't leave you with much overhead.
[5:06] <hydroxygen> this is why i was searching to a powered one..
[5:06] <[Saint]> You're probably /riiiiiiiight/ on thew limit there.
[5:06] <[Saint]> -w
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[5:07] <hydroxygen> im sure if i plug into eth0 it will limit out.. heh
[5:07] <[Saint]> Probably, yes.
[5:08] <hydroxygen> it flashed a few times when it was pluged in..since unplugged eth0 and wifi only works nice..
[5:08] <[Saint]> I've just been using a modified ATX PSU converted into a shop supply.
[5:08] <[Saint]> Now I have 6 12V rails at 10A.
[5:08] <hydroxygen> current limit is what ? 20amps ?
[5:08] <hydroxygen> aha
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[5:09] <[Saint]> Its a modular supply. I can have 4 rails at 20A or 6 at 10 iirc.
[5:09] <[Saint]> Something like this.
[5:09] <[Saint]> "more thasn enough for a Pi" :P
[5:09] * [Saint] cannot type today
[5:11] <hydroxygen> i ordered a couple 2amp jobbers..
[5:11] <hydroxygen> np on typing..my lamp is 3watts.sometimes i miss
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[5:14] <[Saint]> 3W, ...I assume its one of the low powered energy saver bulbs, then?
[5:14] <[Saint]> 3W in a 'standard' bulb is barely enough to illuminate anything :)
[5:14] <hydroxygen> 43leds
[5:14] <hydroxygen> right over my head
[5:15] <[Saint]> iirc, 3W energy saver is roughly 15~20W equiv.
[5:15] <[Saint]> Oh! Heh, nice. :)
[5:15] <hydroxygen> its not bright..at all..i have another on the other side of room plus a 13w curly..
[5:15] <hydroxygen> all the light in the house.
[5:16] <hydroxygen> bedroom has one and bathroom..
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[5:16] <nerdboy> s/house/cave/
[5:16] <hydroxygen> so ya about 25wattrs light my whole house..until i turn on the big ones..
[5:16] <hydroxygen> im a solar jerk too
[5:17] <[Saint]> My lamp is a 4W energy saver thingo. Best thing I ever did was switch from crappy standard bulbs to the energy saver equivalents. I replaced every bulb in the house here, and I use only 120% more than the consumption of a *single* bulb I replaced.
[5:17] <hydroxygen> 375w of panels with grid tie
[5:17] <[Saint]> errr, sorry, 20% more...not 120% more.
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[5:17] <hydroxygen> i bought 9 ofthese leds 3w jobs..i have them all over the place
[5:18] <[Saint]> Not so bad considering a few of these bulbs I have had for ~5 years+
[5:18] <[Saint]> they very quickly pay for themselves.
[5:18] <hydroxygen> nice..i lostone led so far..the rest are working great..about 1yr now
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[5:18] <[Saint]> The only thing you need to get used to is that they need to "warm up" and "cool down".
[5:19] <hydroxygen> a single led.. the other 42 are on
[5:19] <[Saint]> Unlike a regular bulb.
[5:19] <[Saint]> It takes about 60s to reach full potential, and they glow for ~40s or so after switching them off.
[5:19] <hydroxygen> not bad for almost 400 leds.. just one failed so far
[5:19] <[Saint]> A small tradeoff, IMO.
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[5:20] <[Saint]> hydroxygen: are they full color LEDs?
[5:20] <hydroxygen> and that one led failed within the first few days..
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[5:20] <hydroxygen> yes i would think so..no color to them
[5:20] <hydroxygen> maybe a blue/white
[5:21] <[Saint]> I wouldn't mind going with LED if I could adjust the RGB values to suit the mood/environment.
[5:21] <hydroxygen> rgb looks interesting
[5:21] <[Saint]> I find white LED can be a bit harsh at times.
[5:21] <[Saint]> Some people don't notice it. Others hate it.
[5:22] <hydroxygen> they are better than the tubes
[5:22] * [Saint] nods.
[5:22] <hydroxygen> i worked as tech under tubes foryears..though i was mole
[5:22] <[Saint]> Heh.
[5:23] <hydroxygen> i blame tubes on my cataracts
[5:23] <hydroxygen> crt too
[5:25] <hydroxygen> sitting in front of ray tubes.. damn rays do come thru them, im convinced
[5:25] <hydroxygen> all my monitors are now lcd
[5:25] <[Saint]> well, if they didn't, they wouldn't be very effective ;)
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[5:27] <devslash> are there any wifi adapters for pi that don't require a powered usb hub ?
[5:27] * hydroxygen mine doesnt..so far
[5:28] <hydroxygen> i play to power it but so far its running
[5:28] <devslash> hydroxygen: you talking to me ?
[5:28] <hydroxygen> plan*
[5:28] <[Saint]> devslash: most don't...actually.
[5:28] <hydroxygen> ayuh
[5:28] <devslash> work without a powered hub or work at all /
[5:29] <devslash> ?
[5:29] <hydroxygen> lol
[5:29] <[Saint]> work without a powered hub.
[5:29] <hydroxygen> mine is a rt3090 equivilant
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[5:29] <[Saint]> The trick is to plug them *before* powering the pi.
[5:29] <[Saint]> plug them after, and you'll brown out.
[5:30] <hydroxygen> ^^ yup
[5:30] <devslash> what do you mean brown out
[5:30] <hydroxygen> hotplug is not all that
[5:30] <[Saint]> dip below 4.75V
[5:30] <devslash> i want to make a portable rpi
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[5:31] <[Saint]> errr....bye?
[5:31] <[Saint]> :)
[5:31] <hydroxygen> he should fix that connx first
[5:31] <[Saint]> Apparently, the connection is fine. He initiated that quit.
[5:32] <hydroxygen> aha
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[5:32] <hydroxygen> i just as soon run the eth0..but one less wire cant hurt
[5:33] <iam8up> why does no one mention using the TV to power the board?
[5:34] <iam8up> i thought of that and i think it's awesome
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[5:34] <hydroxygen> i used a vcr input for days..before gettign a hdmi/vga converter
[5:34] <hydroxygen> oh oh to power it..
[5:34] <hydroxygen> hmm
[5:35] <[Saint]> iam8up: ...errr, lots of places mention backpowering the pi via USB.
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[5:35] <iam8up> really? i hadn't seen a single one!
[5:35] <maxinux> but not specifically via a tv
[5:35] <hydroxygen> i read someone did power it via a monitor's usb hub
[5:35] <maxinux> from the usb diag port
[5:35] <iam8up> er ya that's what i meant tv
[5:35] <maxinux> monitor usb and usb hub usb is common
[5:35] <[Saint]> But, fact is, it is only the fact that most USB implementations are hilariously broken that makes it possible.
[5:35] <iam8up> ya i've seen usb hubs all over
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[5:35] <iam8up> monitor usb..never heard of
[5:35] <iam8up> usb hub a bunch
[5:36] <[Saint]> No USB port should be capable of powering the pi. If it can. The port is broken.
[5:36] <iam8up> how do you figure?
[5:36] <[Saint]> Because spec states that only 500mA should be given if the device doesn't enumerate.
[5:36] <hydroxygen> most are rated only to 500ma
[5:36] <[Saint]> If it blindly gives out more than 500mA...thats broken.
[5:36] <[Saint]> Very broken.
[5:37] <iam8up> but current isn't given..it's pulled
[5:37] <[Saint]> "fast charging ports" are an exception.
[5:37] <iam8up> if a device pulls 500ma ok whatever
[5:37] <iam8up> if it pulls 1a ok whatever
[5:37] <[Saint]> iam8up: it is slightly more complicated than that.
[5:38] <hydroxygen> i read on wiki somewhere usb 1 was like 200-300ma..and usb 2 and 3.0 can supply upto 500ma..max
[5:38] <iam8up> hydroxygen, obviously not if usb ports can power the pi?
[5:38] <[Saint]> see above "lots of USB implementation is broken"
[5:39] <iam8up> so what if the power supply can handle more amperage than what devices are supposed to use
[5:39] <iam8up> that doesn't mean broken imo
[5:39] <[Saint]> basically, the USb port/host should be saying "WHat are you? How much power do you need?"...and if it doesn't get an answer, it shouldn't ever supply more than 500mA.
[5:40] <[Saint]> This is so you don't fry things, kinda important stuff ;)
[5:40] <iam8up> oh i see what you mean, like af
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[5:42] <[Saint]> Yeah, the fact that it can supply more power isn't an issue. It is whether or not it checks to see if it can do so safely that is the issue.
[5:42] <[Saint]> And...most don't.
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[5:50] <hydroxygen> pidora flaked out while surfing web.. so trying wheezy now..
[5:50] <[Saint]> For the raspi, I prefer Arch.
[5:50] <hydroxygen> power blanked the monitor and disconnected
[5:51] <[Saint]> Primarily for ease of setup/creating a minimal environment.
[5:51] <hydroxygen> plan to try arch
[5:51] <[Saint]> Its not for everyone, that's for sure.
[5:51] <hydroxygen> nor was turbolinux lol
[5:52] <[Saint]> If you're used to debianesque systems, it is a bit of a learning curve.
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[5:52] <chupacabra> turbolinux???? my fave back in the day
[5:52] <hydroxygen> i knew that would perk someone
[5:53] <chupacabra> worked
[5:53] <hydroxygen> it took me like 3 weeks to get it on dialer..didnt know had to set dns..dah
[5:54] <BoomerET> I just ordered a Pi, there's a Kickstarter for using it with Lego Mindstorms.
[5:54] <hydroxygen> and the install took about 10 times before i realised the monitor was not enough for the syste,,,plugged into a better monitor and found it was installing everytime perfectly.. another dah
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[5:57] <chupacabra> hydroxygen, oops.
[5:57] <hydroxygen> ya man
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[5:57] <hydroxygen> learning curves
[5:57] <chupacabra> ya, 6 weeks to get yggdrasil on dialup and 6 for X
[5:57] <hydroxygen> patient grasshopper
[5:58] <hydroxygen> some fly off the handle too easy.. i saw one the other day in here..about 3hrs and he was done.
[5:59] <zero_coder> hey
[5:59] <[Saint]> can haz help wit to installz debianz plz?!?; <30 seconds of idle time>; ne1 thur? plz!?!; <quits>
[6:00] <[Saint]> I. *HATE*. That.
[6:00] <[Saint]> ...with a passion.
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[6:02] <nerdboy> gentoo is good way to learn...
[6:02] <[Saint]> ...learn how to go insane? :)
[6:03] <ShiftPlusOne> +1 for gentoo and its handbook.
[6:03] <Triffid_Hunter> I've been using gentoo on my desktop for years.. it's the only one that didn't drive me insane
[6:04] <nerdboy> pretty much fits me the best
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[6:05] <nerdboy> but i'm liking much oe much better now with the latest yocto, etc
[6:05] <ShiftPlusOne> I used opensuse and ubuntu for a while and didn't really feel like I knew what was going on. I had to google to find options that should be obvious. It felt like linux was windows but more awkward. Installing gentoo and messing around with LFS were key to actually having control over the OS.
[6:07] <nerdboy> besides the docs, +1 for portage and eselect
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[6:10] <ShiftPlusOne> I don't remember why I switched to Arch, but I am pretty happy with it too.
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[6:11] <nerdboy> i usually end up finding something useful in their docs...
[6:13] <nerdboy> not sure i can even name all the distros i've used/tried/discarded
[6:13] <ShiftPlusOne> Gentoo docs seem to be a bit 'meh' now. I remember when I could find everything on the gentoo wiki, but it doesn't seem to be maintained well now. =(
[6:13] <[Saint]> well...there is the usual "its a wiki" statement to be made there :)
[6:14] <nerdboy> yeah, a lot of the wiki stuff is getting stale
[6:14] <ShiftPlusOne> Yeah, but so is the arch wiki, which is perfect.
[6:14] <nerdboy> *gentoo wiki stuff
[6:14] <[Saint]> What I'm meaning is, "If its broke, fix it".
[6:14] <ShiftPlusOne> nonsense
[6:14] <[Saint]> Wikis don't edit themselves.
[6:15] <[Saint]> They fall over if everyone has the "It doesn't have the info I want, nor will I add it" mentality.
[6:16] <ShiftPlusOne> True, but I tend to look for alternatives first. Some things are a little too broken.
[6:16] <[Saint]> Right, but after you find the alternative elsewhere...the idea is that you go back and add said info to the wiki.
[6:17] <[Saint]> So others don't have to go through the same.
[6:17] <[Saint]> I'm not ragging on you, just sayin' how these things (should) work.
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[6:17] <ShiftPlusOne> Yeah, I don't have any justification, I get what you're saying.
[6:18] <[Saint]> Unfortunatle, and I am certainly guilty of this as well, once I find what I was looking for it is WAY too easy to forget to go back and make sure that someone else needn't go through the same.
[6:18] <[Saint]> I'm sure I have done this many times.
[6:19] <ShiftPlusOne> Some of the pages I am referring to are the ones where I've got no clue. The crossdev pages for example.... I can't find the info anywhere else and last time I checked, they were full of incomplete and wrong information.
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[6:21] <ShiftPlusOne> Ah, gentoo's embedded handbook is what I am talking about.
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[6:23] <nerdboy> crossdev worked exactly as advertised last i checked, *if* you specify exact versions that are in the tree
[6:24] <nerdboy> right down to the rev number
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[6:26] <ShiftPlusOne> nerdboy, yeah, I had the basics down. I couldn't figure out how to build a whole rootfs. There was some missing info. When I asked about it in the channel I was linked to some WIP pages where one of the devs was working on fixing the handbook, however I ran into problems following those steps as well and had no time to work through and gave up.
[6:27] <ShiftPlusOne> ...and excuse the grammar there. Editing what you want to say mid-way through typing it leads to things like that. >.>
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[6:31] <nerdboy> well, it's not really intended for "a whole rootfs"
[6:31] <nerdboy> you really want to use catalyst for that...
[6:32] <ShiftPlusOne> Thanks, I'll give it a go if inspiration strikes.
[6:33] <ShiftPlusOne> "Does Catalyst support crosscompiling?
[6:33] <ShiftPlusOne> No, at the moment it does not." *grumble*grumble*
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[6:34] <DaQatz> Sigh, guy I'm talking to in another chan. Got a a pi, and put normal Debian arm on it. And he's wondering why it's getting bad performance.
[6:35] <[Saint]> well..it actually shouldn't be *that* bad.
[6:35] <[Saint]> I suspect he just has high expectataions.
[6:35] <[Saint]> Remind him that this is essentially a cellphone from ~2008
[6:36] <[Saint]> a *low end* cellphone from ~2008 ;)
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[6:37] <DaQatz> The primary issue is not the PI's speed really. It's most modern "*popular" software is pretty bloated.
[6:37] * [Saint] disagrees.
[6:37] <[Saint]> The primary issue is the sdcard.
[6:37] <DaQatz> Well yes the SD card is slow
[6:38] <DaQatz> I normally just boot off the SD, and use a usb hard drive for the os.
[6:38] <[Saint]> That, and people thinking "Wow! a $25 PC!"
[6:38] <[Saint]> ...this thing is NOT a replacement for a desktop/laptop...but, many people seem to think it is.
[6:39] <[Saint]> Too many.
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[6:39] <DaQatz> Lol yeah it's not. But mind you most of the computers I've owned were much lower spec then the pi>
[6:40] <[Saint]> A pi is roughly 1/32 of my desktop.
[6:40] <[Saint]> and 1/128 of my server.
[6:40] <DaQatz> I started off with C64.
[6:40] <[Saint]> Amstrad 6128a here.
[6:41] <ShiftPlusOne> There's talk on the forum of an OS written entirely in java with only a few snippets of C and ASM where required. O_O Think of the performance
[6:41] <BoomerET> TI99/4A w/ extended basic cart.
[6:41] <taza> The Pi, properly optimized, can do the job of a desktop system.
[6:41] <DaQatz> I still remeber that my Amiga 2000(20mhz) load webpages faster then the 300mhz Win95
[6:41] <taza> ... that is used for only browsing and not playing online games.
[6:41] <BoomerET> My first programming class was FORTRAN on punch cards :)
[6:42] <DaQatz> A lot of the issue is bloat.
[6:42] <[Saint]> taza: "can do the job of an incredibly outdated desktop system, IFF you have low requirements" FTFY
[6:42] <taza> That is what I said.
[6:43] <DaQatz> People like their bells, and whistles.
[6:43] <[Saint]> Well, fwiw...I wouldn;t even use it for browsing in a lot of instances.
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[6:43] <taza> It takes a lot of work to get working too.
[6:43] <[Saint]> Want flash? Ha!
[6:44] <[Saint]> Its possible...but...yeah.
[6:44] <DaQatz> No, wep pages today really do use to many resources for that.
[6:44] <DaQatz> web*
[6:44] <BoomerET> I want it to control my Lego's
[6:44] <taza> The amount of polish modern Desktop systems get is hard to accomplish with a group of a few volunteers.
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[6:44] <BoomerET> and my ham radios
[6:44] <[Saint]> I had to do a LOT of jiggery-pokery and some ridiculous overclocking to get flash video working acceptably.
[6:44] <taza> I don't even use Flash on regular desktop systems.
[6:44] <[Saint]> Right, but don;t confuse your uses with that of the general public.
[6:44] <[Saint]> FOr most, browsing == flash.
[6:45] <taza> Frankly, the general public can tolerate no flash too.
[6:45] <[Saint]> and therefore, the pi is NOT a replacement.
[6:45] <taza> HTML5 is good.
[6:45] <DaQatz> [Saint]: May be true, but flash is a bad example. It doesn't even work "well" on fair spec systems
[6:45] <[Saint]> Works fine here.
[6:45] <taza> Really, HTML5 video is the biggest thing for browser security in a long time.
[6:45] <[Saint]> Mind you, I have a modern system.
[6:46] <[Saint]> taza: Yep, and if/when the rest of the internet catches up...we can celebrate.
[6:46] <[Saint]> Until then, we're stuck with Flash.
[6:46] <taza> The internet has been catching up, if you haven't noticed.
[6:46] <taza> I disable all browser plugins these days.
[6:46] <[Saint]> "a few sites have an HTML5 alternative" isn't "catching up" IMO.
[6:46] <ShiftPlusOne> Even adblock? D=
[6:46] <taza> List to me major sites that don't have html5.
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[6:47] <[Saint]> Wanna play games on Facebook without FLash?
[6:47] <[Saint]> ...yeah, good luck with that :P
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[6:47] <taza> I did specifically say "no gaming"
[6:47] <[Saint]> Right, and again, you're confusing your uses with that of the rest of the world.
[6:48] <BoomerET> People still use facebook, I thought that was going the way of MySpace and Friendster.
[6:48] <[Saint]> FOr most people, the internet *is* gaming.
[6:48] <taza> [Saint]: {{fact}}
[6:48] <ShiftPlusOne> well, gaming, youtube, email and facebook.
[6:49] <[Saint]> Case in point is it will be a damn long time before Average Joe can do without Flash.
[6:49] <taza> And if we take out gaming, the Pi does the rest fine.
[6:49] <BoomerET> I heard Youtube was creating a new site with twitter and Facebook, called YouTwitFace
[6:49] <DaQatz> BoomerET: Lol
[6:49] <taza> [Saint]: Your arguments are circular. I shall just ignore you now.
[6:50] <[Saint]> Better circular than....plain wrong :)
[6:50] <[Saint]> You confuse your usage with that of others. Forgive me for not doing so.
[6:51] <taza> DaQatz: Anyway, where software today is usually bloated, there's entirely usable alternatives.
[6:51] <DaQatz> Well, most of the people I know do not game. But they do tend to use flash heavy sites
[6:51] <DaQatz> taza: In most cases yes.
[6:51] <taza> ... Firefox started as an alternative browser that lacked the bloat of Mozilla proper. Then the rest of the Mozilla team jumped on board and well.
[6:52] <taza> DaQatz: You'd be surprised how well they'd get along if you just disabled flash.
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[6:52] <DaQatz> I don't run flash most of time.
[6:52] <taza> The iPhone and HTML5 have really helped in getting rid of Flash.
[6:52] <\\Mr_C\\> what bloody command do i type to see if a driver is already installed? for something in lsusb?
[6:52] <DaQatz> lsmod
[6:53] <DaQatz> Will show loaded kernel modules
[6:53] <taza> DaQatz: To the point that when I build systems for family members I just straight up disable browser plugins and don't install Flash or Java.
[6:53] <\\Mr_C\\> so if lsusb shows this Bus 004 Device 002: ID 0bda:8176 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. RTL8188CUS 802.11n WLAN Adapter........lsmod shows 8192cu does that mean its installed?
[6:54] <DaQatz> Java used to be used everywhere on the net.
[6:54] <DaQatz> Now it's generally a rare beast.
[6:54] <taza> And now it's almost dead, yay!
[6:54] <taza> Minecraft and OO.o are annoying.
[6:54] <DaQatz> LibreOffice > OO.o
[6:55] <DaQatz> Still bloaty
[6:55] <taza> Flash is going away too, with the tablet market.
[6:55] <[Saint]> FLash has only dropped ~5% in usage in the past ~18 months.
[6:55] <[Saint]> It'll be a long long time before it goes away.
[6:56] <ShiftPlusOne> It's not going away, since it's still going to be used for browser timewaster games (along with unity).
[6:56] <ParkerR> DaQatz, I find Libre a lot less bloaty that OO
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[6:56] <ParkerR> Heck it loads so quick
[6:56] <DaQatz> It will be around for years to come. As html5 use increases, it's relevance will drop off though.
[6:56] <[Saint]> 18.6% of all websites use Flash, apparently.
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[6:56] <[Saint]> That is a LOT. Considering.
[6:56] <DaQatz> Nods
[6:57] <taza> DaQatz: Eh, I don't see that much use, and much less required use.
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[6:57] <DaQatz> I disable it. Mostly It just breaks ads
[6:57] <[Saint]> DaQatz: Not only does HTML5 usage need to increase, it actually needs to develop itself more, too.
[6:58] <[Saint]> Until HTML5 can actually replace Flash, Flash will survive.
[6:58] <[Saint]> ANd HTML5 isn't even close yet really.
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[6:58] <[Saint]> It has a foot in the door, that's a start.
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[6:58] <[Saint]> But it is nowhere near a replacement.
[6:59] <Haxxa> hello
[6:59] <Haxxa> I'm following this guide- http://www.howtogeek.com/142044/how-to-turn-a-raspberry-pi-into-an-always-on-bittorrent-box/
[6:59] <Haxxa> but I can't get it to run in startup it returns user 'harrison' not found
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[7:00] <DaQatz> [Saint]: Have you looked at html5 lately? There is very little it can't do. Videos, Gaming 2d/3d, etc...
[7:00] <[Saint]> I have, yes. It is still quite far from a complete replacement.
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[7:01] <ShiftPlusOne> Haxxa, from what I gather, you have not added a user named harrison?
[7:01] <[Saint]> Don't get me wrong, I'm rooting for HTML5...its just not there yet.
[7:01] <Haxxa> well I have
[7:01] <DaQatz> Could you be more specific?
[7:01] <Haxxa> thats what confusing me
[7:01] <ShiftPlusOne> Haxxa, what did you do to add the user?
[7:02] <ShiftPlusOne> Haxxa, can you log in at harrison?
[7:02] <ShiftPlusOne> *as
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[7:02] <Haxxa> harrison:password:10
[7:03] <Haxxa> I can login as harrison when I start deluged from terminal
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[7:04] <Haxxa> I'm thinking ofjust adding deluged to rc.local, even if its not a good idea
[7:04] <Haxxa> its just anoying that it won't work, I can't see why?
[7:05] <ShiftPlusOne> Haxxa, run 'grep harrison /etc/passwd', do you get anything back?
[7:05] * [Saint] is confused here.
[7:05] <Haxxa> I don't think it will as I created user within deluge not for linux system
[7:06] <[Saint]> It seems as though you're saying you added "harrison" as a user for deluged, however the error seems to be complaining about the user on the "system" "harrison" not being present.
[7:06] <ShiftPlusOne> Haxxa, then you haven't created the user.
[7:06] <ShiftPlusOne> Haxxa, you have told deluge to auth as a user that does not exist.
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[7:06] <[Saint]> "man useradd"
[7:06] <Haxxa> oh ok I'll just leave it ad pi then
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[7:07] <ItsMeLenny> is there any kind of antenna that can be stuck into the ethernet port to make it wifi (or is that magic?)
[7:07] <Haxxa> yes wnce2001
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[7:07] <Haxxa> you are basically adding a wifi modem
[7:08] <Ben64> why not just get a small usb wireless device
[7:09] <taza> ItsMeLenny: Yes, but USB is cheaper.
[7:09] <ItsMeLenny> because the ethernet works off the usb
[7:09] <ItsMeLenny> seems like a waste of a usb port
[7:09] <taza> Doing it straight off the USB is way cheaper. Well, off an USB hub.
[7:09] <taza> Uh.
[7:09] <Ben64> but you can't get the usb port back from using the ethernet
[7:10] <ItsMeLenny> thats why i want to plug an aeriel into it :P
[7:10] <[Saint]> ItsMeLenny: I would rather waste a USB port than $50~60USD, dig? :)
[7:10] <Haxxa> its generally considered better practise to buy a usb modem or get an actual connnect
[7:10] <taza> ItsMeLenny: Get a powered hub that won't backpower the Pi, attach an USB wifi adapter onto it.
[7:10] <Ben64> you could get a hub and a wireless usb for cheaper than a wireless bridge
[7:10] <Haxxa> leaves less chance for problems too
[7:10] <Ben64> and less latency with the usb one
[7:11] <taza> You get the same thing done $50 cheaper.
[7:11] <ItsMeLenny> is that what it's called, a wireless bridge?
[7:11] <Ben64> its also much larger than a usb one
[7:11] <ItsMeLenny> yeah
[7:11] <taza> ItsMeLenny: Trust me. Where it's possible to do, it's not what you want to do.
[7:11] <Ben64> its for things that don't have an option
[7:11] <Ben64> like game consoles without wifi
[7:11] <ItsMeLenny> but i just was seeing if an antenna exists that plugs straight into the ethernet
[7:11] <Ben64> yeah, for $60
[7:11] <taza> Yep, but they're more expensive than the easy way, heh.
[7:12] <Ben64> and its not good
[7:12] <ItsMeLenny> but its more than an antenna isnt it?
[7:12] <[Saint]> Indeed.
[7:12] <Haxxa> wow, my pi now runs samba, minidlna, mopidy, shairport, deludge torrent client, pianobar, hdmi-cec with cron and ftp
[7:12] <Haxxa> it worked btw user set as pi
[7:12] <[Saint]> You can't magically turn radio waves into electrical impulse.
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[7:12] <taza> You'd pay between $60 and $80 for doing wireless from the Ethernet plug, and around $30 for doing an USB hub + an USB wifi plug.
[7:12] <[Saint]> So, indeed, it is more than "just an antennae".
[7:13] <Ben64> taza: more like $20 for hub and wifi
[7:13] <taza> You're also not saving space, because those things are large.
[7:13] <ItsMeLenny> better question, is there something that looks like this that plugs straight into ethernet http://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/original/3/32127/2469819-3546699357-65106.jpg
[7:13] <taza> Ben64: European prices. ;p
[7:13] <Ben64> oh
[7:13] <ItsMeLenny> or would that be magic
[7:13] <taza> ItsMeLenny: That would be magic.
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[7:14] <Ben64> ItsMeLenny: they're completely different methods of networking
[7:14] <ShiftPlusOne> ItsMeLenny, you could make an adapter to plug an antenna into an ethernet port, but it wouldn't do anything. What you linked are literally just antennae, nothing else.
[7:14] <Haxxa> I guess I shouldn't install xbmc a\on top of everything else that is running pi would struggle
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[7:14] <[Saint]> Pfffffft....of course it'd do something! It'd look all Mad Maxx-ish and bad-ass! :P
[7:15] <Haxxa> also what do you guys think of wayland, will it make you consister using gui?
[7:15] <ItsMeLenny> ShiftPlusOne, that sounds like a good idea, i might try it :P
[7:15] <ItsMeLenny> Haxxa, ubuntu is making their own X replacement as well
[7:15] <ShiftPlusOne> ItsMeLenny, best of luck. If you're not good with soldering, duct tape will work as well.
[7:16] <ItsMeLenny> ShiftPlusOne, three words: hot. glue. gun.
[7:16] <Haxxa> I know mir
[7:16] <ItsMeLenny> my favourite tool ever, just used it this morning
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[7:16] <ShiftPlusOne> True
[7:17] <nerdboy> i was going velcro for the battery pack and display
[7:17] <nerdboy> maybe some duct tape
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[7:20] <[Saint]> My toolkit wouldn't be complete without a supply of velcro dots.
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[7:21] <nerdboy> now that you mention it, i should also have some rubber feet around here somewhere...
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[7:26] <ItsMeLenny> ok, just on the note of magic antennas, is there no wirless bridge that is the size of a usb wifi?
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[7:27] <xrosnight> hello ;)
[7:28] <xrosnight> is anyone here who is in Shenzhen of China? I am working here as a web engineer :)
[7:29] <ParkerR> ItsMeLenny, I just use an older router with dd-wrt
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[7:29] <ShiftPlusOne> I've been there once, but I don't think that counts.
[7:30] <taza> ItsMeLenny: Wireless bridges tend to be pretty bulky, I'm afraid.
[7:30] <taza> What happens if I just delete the Pi user on the Foundation image?
[7:30] <ParkerR> You can add a new one
[7:30] <ParkerR> sudo adduer
[7:30] <ItsMeLenny> fine, you talked me out of my magical antenna :(
[7:30] <ParkerR> Or login as root (if you already deleted the old user)
[7:30] <taza> Yep, I am aware, and also I figure I want to do sudoers or set a root password. ;p
[7:31] <taza> Anything special the Pi user does, other than sudoers?
[7:31] <ParkerR> Which is recommended. I don't see why people keep the default pi user
[7:31] <ParkerR> Maybe some groups
[7:31] <taza> Ah. So, nothing actually special
[7:31] <ParkerR> Run "groups" when logged in as pi
[7:33] <taza> 'cuz I don't really like the desktop etc customization the Pi user gets, but the minimal image... just doesn't cut it yet.
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[7:34] <xrosnight> you could use the img of archlinux
[7:34] <taza> Nah.
[7:34] <xrosnight> you can build everything from scratch i mean "embed "
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[7:48] <Olivier> Hi there, I have issues with omxplayer when I'm using display_rotate=1 (portrait) in config.txt : my 1080x1920 h264 videos are wavering/flickering a bit, like it was not in sync with vsync. If I rotate the videos in 1920x1080 and play them (in landscape mode), they're displayed smoothly. 128M is allocated for the GPU. No X started. CPU usage is low. Any tip to fix that ?
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[8:39] <ItsMeLenny> make
[8:39] <ItsMeLenny> oops
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[8:41] <[Saint]> No rule to make 'opps': Exit.
[8:41] <Matt_R> I am looking at the New Link 4 port powered usb hub (does not back feed) I am only able to find this hub the UK (modmypi) Are there any recommendations for finding this hub in the US or a better hub available in the US that do not back feed? I've looked at the recommended perifrials and haven't seen much of the info that I need. Thanks.
[8:43] <ItsMeLenny> lol
[8:44] <ParkerR> I like the backfeeding XD
[8:44] <ParkerR> Makes for a cleaner setup
[8:45] <Matt_R> I've got a anker astro3 that I am using for the main power as a ups. So I don't really need clean. But I hear you though. ;)
[8:47] <Matt_R> I travel a lot and need the pi to stay up all the time.
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[9:02] <[Saint]> Well...desktop hasn't blown up yet. So....I guess 13.10 checks out :)
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[9:03] <[Saint]> No Mir or 3.18 kernel, though.
[9:03] <[Saint]> *.10, even
[9:04] <[Saint]> Whoop. Yay for wrong channels!
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[9:34] <gordonDrogon> morning..
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[9:37] <jpeeters> Hi everyone
[9:37] <jpeeters> What can I use for build a custom raspberry image
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[9:37] <jpeeters> I need a very little-sized image as I only have 1Gb SD card atm
[9:38] <gordonDrogon> a digital camera and gimp, but it's going to be a whole before british raspebrries are ready to eat...
[9:39] <gordonDrogon> but for that kind of image...
[9:39] <gordonDrogon> you can use raspbian and remove lots of things - like the compilers, python, X windows, etc.
[9:39] <gordonDrogon> unless you need them
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[9:57] <overrider> I bought this level shifter http://img.dxcdn.com/productimages/sku_178301_2.jpg so i can switch a 5V Relay Pin via the RPI 3.3V GPIO(2) Pin. When i hook it up its not working though - just nothing happens. How do i use this thing? Isn't it a straight trough connection?
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[10:10] <bity> jpeeters: the time you're going to spend making a 1gb card, you could buy 2- 8gb cards
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[10:11] <bity> * spend making a 1gb card work
[10:11] <jpeeters> bity: Ok thanks for the advice ;)
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[10:38] <sebleblanc> I have a cell phone charger with two USB ports. Do I risk toasting the Pi if I power it with one of the ports, then use a USB Y-splitter to power a 2.5 HDD while it's also connected to the Pi?
[10:38] <bity> how many amp output is it?
[10:39] <sebleblanc> I think it's a 1A supply... might not be enough, huh?
[10:39] <bity> i dont think so
[10:39] <bity> ok for the pi by itself
[10:39] <bity> then it depends what other usb devices you have hooked up
[10:40] <sebleblanc> But if it were powerful enough, would there be risks from connecting the USB in parallel with the 5V supply?
[10:41] * [Saint] helps people to understand...
[10:41] <[Saint]> The amperage DOES NOT MATTER
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[10:42] <[Saint]> It could be a million amps at 5V, ...it'll work fine.
[10:42] <bity> what if its a 300ma ?
[10:42] <bity> and you have a 2w usb antenna hooked up
[10:42] <[Saint]> then the pi won't even get close to booting :)
[10:42] <bity> so amperage does matter?
[10:43] <[Saint]> It can be over, not under.
[10:43] <bity> i think the min for pi is 500ma ?
[10:43] <Mortvert> [Saint], pretty sure that million amps at 5v would fry anything it'd touch
[10:44] <bity> and it underclocks it
[10:44] <bity> until it has 700ma
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[10:44] <[Saint]> I think the min is 700mA
[10:45] <sebleblanc> Mortvert, nope
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[10:45] <bity> http://www.element14.com/community/groups/raspberry-pi/blog/2013/01/07/pi-on-the-go-64gb-ssd-raspberry-pi-portable
[10:45] <sebleblanc> The amp rating on a power supply is the maximum it can give. Where you might have issues is in the case there's a short circuit, if your output is limited to 1A, you don't risk much, but at more than 5A, your board is definitely toast.
[10:46] <nxtec> Current is drawn, a 2000ma supply is capable of supply 2000ma, but if the connected device only needs 700ma, that is all it will draw
[10:46] <bity> that is a link for a guy running a 64gb ssd w/ the pi on battery
[10:46] <Dagger2> sebleblanc: well, yep. but good luck forcing a million amps through something that doesn't want to draw it without raising the voltage
[10:47] <sebleblanc> Dagger2, it's all V / R = I
[10:47] <bity> so it depends upon the power draw of your 2.5" hdd
[10:48] <[Saint]> you'd need a 3.3W ssd I guess.
[10:49] <sebleblanc> What I'm asking, is not if the HDD will draw too much power from the Pi, it's if using the Y-splitter, which will result in the USB port connecting to the Pi power jack in parallel, can cause problem to the board
[10:49] <sebleblanc> problems*
[10:49] <sebleblanc> With a USB hub, this would be avoided, but I don't have one right now
[10:50] <[Saint]> What revision is the pi board?
[10:50] <nxtec> sebleblanc: If you connect one USB to the Pi, and the other to the PSU, I think the Pi will power from the connection to the HDD
[10:50] <nxtec> (of the splitter I mean)
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[10:51] <[Saint]> If it is a later revision pi, you don;t have to worry about putting too /much/ power through it...
[10:51] <[Saint]> You'd only need to worry about power dip during spinup.
[10:52] <sebleblanc> [Saint], it's a model B, can't find revision number on it
[10:52] <nxtec> I've not made that very clear - here's take 2: Connect the splitter to the HDD, and then put one end of the splitter in to the pi, and the other in to the PSU.
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[10:53] <ParkerR> OK
[10:53] <nxtec> Often with a splitter, one leg doesnt have the data connections, thats the leg you want to put in to the PSU
[10:53] <ParkerR> mspaint it
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[10:53] <ParkerR> Thats a great way to get the point across easier
[10:53] <ParkerR> Doesnt matter how good it looks
[10:53] <[Saint]> sebleblanc: assuming it was purchased fairly recently it is fairly safe to guess that you'll be safe from overcurrent.
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[10:53] <gildean> i use an external usb to sata/ide adaptor which has it own power supply, that's a cheap alternative too
[10:53] <[Saint]> The only thing I imagine you'd need to worry about is if it can keep up the voltage during spinup.
[10:54] <[Saint]> if it drops below 4.75ish volts, you're in for a bad day.
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[10:54] <[Saint]> multimeter time :)
[10:54] <ParkerR> [Saint], Scarily enough mine was running the other day at 4.01v across TP1 and TP2
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[10:55] <[Saint]> Huh...nice.
[10:55] <[Saint]> FS stayed intact?
[10:55] <ParkerR> [Saint], TV tuner was pulling it low
[10:55] <ParkerR> As far as I know
[10:55] <gildean> i only have a couple of digital temperature sensors and a wifi-dongle connected atm. and i'm getting 4.68V on tp1-tp2
[10:55] <ParkerR> Wasnt really acessing the disk
[10:55] <[Saint]> Well done.
[10:55] <gildean> and i'm using a 1A 5V adaptor
[10:55] <ParkerR> *accessing
[10:55] <gildean> but it's totally stable at 4.68V
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[10:55] <[Saint]> gildean: wifi dongle is doing the damage there.
[10:56] <[Saint]> Those things are hungry, hungry hippos.
[10:56] <gildean> [Saint]: yep
[10:56] <gildean> fortunately my doesn't seem to be affected by the slight undervoltage
[10:56] <ParkerR> [Saint], And I actually got a composite video stream from the adapter (albeit artifacting due to low volatge) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CT4x3WO9chw
[10:56] <gildean> *my pi
[10:56] <yang> Hello ! Is there a similar passive cooled mini itx/micro itx microcomputer, that would be more powerfull than RPI, similar to what I saw at tinygreenpc.com , I am interested to get one of those...
[10:57] <[Saint]> ParkerR: that *is* quite impressive.
[10:57] <[Saint]> yang: I'm guessing "Yes." isn't the answer you're looking for?
[10:58] <yang> [Saint]: yes, and I am interested for any european distributor...I would like to buy one "somewhere"
[10:58] <gildean> yang: sure, you can find a bunch of different passively cooled ones, i've used supermicros before as a platform for a firewall
[10:58] <bity> do you need gpio pins
[10:58] <gildean> they have those nice atom boards with dual 1gb intel ethernets
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[10:58] <[Saint]> Geode springs to mind.
[10:59] <bity> there are the mk802 and mk808's too, little different
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[10:59] * [Saint] is liking his X2 at the moment.
[11:00] <[Saint]> I started with a U2, then got the X2 - both nice boards.
[11:00] <sebleblanc> https://www.circuitlab.com/circuit/m34r8b/rpi-hdd-power/
[11:00] <yang> gildean: what i am worried is the PSU , than would have a FAN, I want a fanless PSU, that is probably doable
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[11:01] <yang> bity: no i dont need gpio
[11:01] <[Saint]> 12V fanless PSUs are certainly doable.
[11:01] <[Saint]> ugly, and kinda large, but...doable.
[11:02] <yang> my RPI kinda freezes at some points when playing youtube videos
[11:02] <yang> i think it lacks a bit of RAM
[11:02] <bity> what do you want to be able to do with it
[11:02] <yang> well I ned it primarily to stream xbmc
[11:02] <[Saint]> yang: well...it *is* basically a cellphone from 2008, with a really slow disk, remember that :)
[11:02] <yang> I run a bunch of other things on a RPI so the XBMC lags with that little RAM
[11:03] <nxtec> sebleblanc: If memory serves correctly, you wont need to connect the RPi USB_IN_5V or USB_IN_GND
[11:03] <bity> check out the mk808
[11:03] <bity> faster proc than the rpi
[11:03] <bity> should work out of the box
[11:03] <yang> mk808 ok
[11:03] <yang> url
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[11:03] <[Saint]> Ask Google.
[11:03] <bity> http://forum.xbmc.org/showthread.php?tid=162792
[11:04] <bity> comparing rbi to 808
[11:04] <yang> bity: oh but it that one android only '
[11:04] <sebleblanc> nxtec, alright, thanks. Are there polyfuses or any current-limiting device in the Pi?
[11:04] <[Saint]> sebleblanc: on the later revisions, yes.
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[11:05] <[Saint]> Which is why I said to not worry about overcurrent.
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[11:06] <bity> you can load linux distros onto them
[11:06] <sebleblanc> [Saint], are there fuses on the USB device ports too, or only on the main supply?
[11:06] <bity> you will need to look into it a bit, there are newer models out i think some with 4gb ram
[11:07] <[Saint]> sebleblanc: both I believe, but, don't quote me on it.
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[11:11] <gordonDrogon> hi
[11:12] <[Saint]> sebleblanc: confirmation - yes, both input and USB are protected via polyfuse.
[11:12] <[Saint]> (assuming the board is new enough)
[11:12] <sebleblanc> for anyone interested, I've tried it out. The Pi will power up from the device USB ports.
[11:12] <[Saint]> Yep. Welcome to a year or so ago ;)
[11:13] <sebleblanc> however, on spin-up, the power sagged and it rebooted
[11:15] <[Saint]> One of my pi (pis?) is powered by USB from the touchscreen controller specifically put there to backpower the pi.
[11:16] <[Saint]> To remove the need for an additional cable.
[11:16] <yang> bity: cool
[11:16] <[Saint]> The ability to backpower via USB is quite handy.
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[11:17] * [Saint] is now debating the proper plural of raspberrypi
[11:17] <[Saint]> "raspberries pi"? :P
[11:17] <sebleblanc> "Raspberry Pi devices"
[11:18] <gordonDrogon> usb on Rev 2 boards is not polyfuse protected...
[11:18] <[Saint]> Well....lah dee dah! Aren't we Mr. Fancymouthwords? :P
[11:18] <kaste> ten pieces of rpi
[11:18] <sebleblanc> :B
[11:18] <[Saint]> gordonDrogon: Oh? Is only input protected on the Rev2?
[11:18] <gordonDrogon> cutting a Pie into 10 is harder than 8 or 12 ...
[11:19] <gordonDrogon> [Saint], yes - they removed the USB ones on hte Rev 2 boards due to the issues powering devices...
[11:19] <[Saint]> I didn't have a board handy and blindly trusted teh infowebz.
[11:19] <[Saint]> Whoops.
[11:19] <gordonDrogon> :)
[11:20] <lolbat> Any good solution for a 6-16 rpi cluster?
[11:20] <lolbat> And anything usable to use it for?
[11:20] <gordonDrogon> lolbat, Heh.. just wire them to a single ethernet switch and lots of power and off you go - applications.... ??? er.... ...
[11:20] <[Saint]> If you don't know the answer to the latter, the former is irrelevant to you - surely?
[11:21] <gordonDrogon> time for some home DIY. got some flower baskets to put up.. laters!
[11:21] <lolbat> I have spare ethernet ports
[11:21] <lolbat> I need to use them for something
[11:21] <lolbat> I have like 14 free ports
[11:21] <[Saint]> A raspi cluster is probably one of the more time consuming and less productive things you could use them for...
[11:22] <[Saint]> Basically. If you don;t know why you'd need a cluster. Or what you'd use it for....you don't need one :)
[11:23] <Ben64> i just want to use pi's for everything
[11:23] <[Saint]> In many cases, that is quite impractical.
[11:23] <Ben64> media center, carputer, tiny laptop
[11:24] <[Saint]> You could buy a more powerful netbook for less than the price of turning a pi into a half-baked laptop kludge.
[11:25] <Ben64> all i'd need is a dock for a phone
[11:25] <Ben64> forgot the name of em
[11:26] <Ben64> not sure how i'd do the carputer thing though. would want a remote control, as it'd fit easiest in the trunk
[11:26] <[Saint]> There's plenty of room behind your dash
[11:26] <[Saint]> ..._probably_.
[11:26] <Ben64> yeah, but the audio connection is in the trunk
[11:27] <[Saint]> I'm assuming you're going to be using this headless, then?
[11:27] <Ben64> yep
[11:28] <Ben64> easier than connecting an mp3 player or something like that
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[11:28] <[Saint]> But a little overthetop if all you're using it for is essentially an iPod shuffle.
[11:28] <Ben64> $25 though
[11:28] <Ben64> and unlimited storage capacity
[11:29] <[Saint]> Does your headunit not have USB?
[11:29] <Ben64> nope :(
[11:29] <[Saint]> Al...well, that sucks.
[11:29] <[Saint]> *Ah
[11:29] <Ben64> had to buy a $100 device just to get AUX
[11:29] <[Saint]> Jeebus!
[11:29] <Ben64> or could have replaced the head unit for way way more
[11:29] <[Saint]> ...would've been better to buy a decent head unit :-S
[11:30] <Ben64> $200 for just the plastic bits to fit a double din
[11:30] <Ben64> not even including the head unit yet
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[11:30] <Ben64> the bad part about owning a G35
[11:30] <[Saint]> Your currency either sucks, your car is made of unobtanium, or...someone saw you coming :)
[11:30] <[Saint]> That sounds wrong on so many levels.
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[11:31] <Ben64> its too integrated up front
[11:31] * [Saint] checks the "unobtanium" option, heh. :)
[11:31] <Ben64> stereo controls are on the same board as the ac controls
[11:31] <Ben64> so the replacement double din thing needs to have ac controls on it
[11:32] <Ben64> i currently use a bluetooth adapter to play music from my phone, but that takes a minute to set up
[11:32] <[Saint]> At that point I would just leave it in place and cut a new section in the dash.
[11:32] <Ben64> it'd be cooler to just have everything work magically
[11:32] <[Saint]> the sad part is, doing that would likely be cheaper for you, when it is usually the expensive option.
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[11:41] <lolbat> could I make car camera of the pi?
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[12:12] <Haxxa> hello
[12:13] <Haxxa> my minidlna is not startup when I start my pi
[12:13] <Haxxa> also my grammer sucks at night
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[12:14] <Haxxa> BUt none the lessI have a startup script in /etc/init.d that should start it automatically I have no idea why it won't?
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[12:20] <ItsMeLenny> damn someone beat me to building the raspi into a car
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[12:29] <ozzzy> mawnin' all... and ain't it a beeeeeoootiful mawnin'?
[12:30] <crankyadmin> ItsMeLenny: I've had one in my car since the release of them.
[12:30] <ItsMeLenny> crankyadmin, ner ner ner not listening :P
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[12:30] <ItsMeLenny> with full display and everything?
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[12:33] <Haxxa> anyone good with startup problms?
[12:34] <Bushmills> statistically, of the 7 billion people in the world, most likely
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[12:34] <Bushmills> putting a script in init.d alone is not enough
[12:35] <[Saint]> Bushmills: I'd guess that statistically, of 7 billion people, no one is.
[12:35] <[Saint]> If you wanna get pedantic, the number of those that are compared to those that aren't is likely immeasurable.
[12:36] <Bushmills> that number may not be huge but most probably >= 1
[12:37] <[Saint]> rounding error is likely in the thousands.
[12:37] <[Saint]> so, realistically speaking, yes. statistically speaking, probably not.
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[12:37] <Bushmills> but as the question was "anyone", a result set of at least 1 member qualifies as "yes"
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[12:58] <crankyadmin> ItsMeLenny: Yep full display. I'm going to use works 3D printer to print a fasica for a iPad mini and mount that where the stereo used to be. Then use XBMC Remote for iPad to control it.
[12:58] <qmr> Any recommended SD cards?
[12:59] <qmr> http://www.amazon.com/Kingston-microSDHC-Memory-SDC4-8GB/dp/B001CQT0X4 looking at that one
[13:00] <ozzzy> I just buy whatever is at costco
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[13:04] <qmr> what about cases?
[13:08] <StanDaMan4> ?
[13:09] <Bushmills> fasttech cases are the cheapest i've seen as far
[13:09] <ozzzy> I got one on eBay for $6
[13:10] <Bushmills> fasttechs are < 4 $ incl postage
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[13:10] <Bushmills> oh, that was when taking a lot of 3. single case is 4.15, iirc
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[13:13] <ItsMeLenny> why didnt the raspi come with DP instead of HDML
[13:13] <ItsMeLenny> HDMI*
[13:13] <crankyadmin> You can convert hdmi to DP if you need too.
[13:14] <ItsMeLenny> :P
[13:14] <ItsMeLenny> thats not the point
[13:14] <Alfihar> what would be the advantage of having a DP over HDMI
[13:14] <Bushmills> those: https://www.fasttech.com/products/0/10001230/1102603-protective-acrylic-box-enclosure-for-raspberry-pi
[13:15] <ItsMeLenny> for one, DP doesnt cost to put on your board, they wouldve had to pay royalties for hdmi
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[13:16] <Alfihar> hmm is that paid by Broadcom though
[13:16] <xyn> trying to track down contacts on freenode for whomever is maintaining the pidora remix. anyone aware of a specific nick that would make a solid point of contact?
[13:17] <qmr> Bushmills: thanks!!
[13:17] <ItsMeLenny> DP has more features as well
[13:18] <ItsMeLenny> are there raspi boards that come with usb headers instead of usb ports?
[13:19] <Alfihar> the downside though is how many TV's and cheap/old monitors come with DP
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[13:19] <ItsMeLenny> you can get a converter :P and how many old monitors come with digital input
[13:19] <ItsMeLenny> in fact is there a way to get vga out on the raspi?
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[13:19] <Alfihar> depends how old I guess
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[13:22] <Alfihar> you can get HDMI to VGA converters
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[13:26] <ItsMeLenny> lol yeah, but that then requires extra power
[13:26] <gordonDrogon> well that's enough DIY for one bank holdiay weekend!
[13:27] <ItsMeLenny> :P
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[13:28] <Alfihar> the power comes from the HDMI port though http://thepihut.com/collections/video-output/products/pi-view-official-raspberry-pi-hdmi-to-vga-convertor
[13:28] <Alfihar> can get them cheaper though
[13:29] <[Saint]> "Official".....Hmmmm, yeah, sure.
[13:29] <Alfihar> hah yeah "official"
[13:31] <[Saint]> I figure if you're wanting VGA out, it'll probably look crap anyway...so, you may as well use RCA.
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[13:31] <[Saint]> The TV may not have RCA in, but, pretty much everybody will have a VCR spare.
[13:31] <[Saint]> Or, DVD player, etc.
[13:31] <Alfihar> I don't know VGA isn't that bad
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[13:33] <Alfihar> I have some old VGA screens, sure they aren't as good as modern ones but a lot better than RCA, well composite not component
[13:33] <Bushmills> VGA is still analog
[13:33] <[Saint]> I guess the major plus with using an old television is the size.
[13:34] <Bushmills> cable length may matte
[13:34] <Bushmills> matter
[13:35] <[Saint]> Oh my G....
[13:35] <[Saint]> "Soldering Iron Kit for the Raspberry Pi"
[13:35] <[Saint]> o_0
[13:36] <[Saint]> Well, at least they didn't claim it was the Official Soldering Iron Kit :P
[13:36] <Alfihar> does it only work with the Raspberry Pi
[13:36] <[Saint]> Natch ;)
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[13:41] <gordonDrogon> think lots of people are using rasperry pi as a tag for their products - just look at the rubbish on ebay if you search for raspberry pi!
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[13:47] <ItsMeLenny> gordonDrogon, you mean things like; usb light compatible with raspi
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[13:48] <gordonDrogon> Yup!
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[13:51] <Bushmills> and then it isn't - because it makes the raspberry pi crash when you plug it in
[13:54] <ItsMeLenny> lol
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[13:58] <dd00gg> hey guys.. question.. anyone know if netflixs runs on the pi ?
[14:00] <Bushmills> we don't know whether anyone knows, because knowing whether anyone knows needs to know of any person in existence whether they know or they don't. even with a single person left, one couldn't say for sure.
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[14:02] <ItsMeLenny> it amazes me how they can seel a black and white lcd on ebay for 15 bux, 128x64
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[14:03] <dd00gg> that was some answer Bushmills haha you been on that fine bushmills whiskey :)
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[14:16] <gordonDrogon> ItsMeLenny, http://unicorn.drogon.net/128x64.jpg
[14:16] <ozzzy> somewhere in this mess are my calipers
[14:19] <ItsMeLenny> this the same one im looking at gordonDrogon http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/LCD-128x64-graphic-display-module-for-Arduino-Stamp-ARM-PIC-Raspberry-Pi-/160992626622?pt=AU_B_I_Electrical_Test_Equipment&hash=item257be887be
[14:20] <ItsMeLenny> thats pretty impressive btw, is that hard to do?
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[14:36] <gordonDrogon> ItsMeLenny, hard to tell if it's compatible with what I have - I suspect that like the character LCDs there is only one real controller chip...
[14:36] <gordonDrogon> I write a complete driver for it, so it's easy to do.
[14:37] <gordonDrogon> ItsMeLenny, http://unicorn.drogon.net/clock.c <- code for that clock program running.
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[14:39] <gordonDrogon> that clock program was one I wrote ages ago in BASIC ... http://unicorn.drogon.net/rtb/clock.rtb
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[14:39] <gordonDrogon> I was thoughtfull enough at the time to not make it screen size specific. (My BASIC has variable screen resolutions on the Pi)
[14:39] <gordonDrogon> it's a bit cramped on the 128x64 display, but sort of works :)
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[14:45] <gordonDrogon> right. time to go & buy the bbq supplies for the weekend!
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[14:51] <ItsMeLenny> ah, i see
[14:51] <ItsMeLenny> i want to more write text to a display
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[14:56] <axelm7> hi guys, I have an rpi model B with a 16 GB SD card and raspbian armel. The SD card has two partitions, first one of about 60 MB and the second one has 4 GB. The rest of the space is not used. I would like to create an single img file so I can move everything over to another 8GB card I have.
[14:57] <axelm7> Is there a way to tell dd to ignore space the it outside of the partitioned space?
[14:58] <axelm7> Is there a way to tell dd to ignore space that is not allocated to any partition? *
[14:58] <Mogwai> axelm7: Yup, you have to have to see where the last 4GB partition ends, and tell dd to stop reading at that position using the count argument
[14:59] <[deXter]> Just use "fdisk-l" to see where it ends
[14:59] <[deXter]> *fdisk -l
[14:59] <gildean> axelm7: why armel and not armhf?
[15:00] <axelm7> gildean, I need mono and it does not support hard float
[15:00] <gildean> ah, ok
[15:00] <axelm7> Mogwai and dexter, thanks for the tip. I'll try
[15:03] <ItsMeLenny> i love dd, but it always scares the shit out of me before i press enter
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[15:04] <axelm7> I have this http://ur1.ca/e19t3
[15:04] <axelm7> so I just need to use count=8181760?
[15:05] <axelm7> ItsMeLenny, proper backups should avoid that sensation :)
[15:06] <Mogwai> axelm7: Yup, but that would mean reading 1 byte at the time, I would view it in megabytes, use bs=1M and set the count accordingly
[15:07] <gildean> you could also boot some other computer with clonezilla live and use that to create a nice image of your sd-card that can be deployed with the same ease
[15:08] <gildean> and don't have to worry about things
[15:08] <axelm7> another question, the 4GB partition only has 2.5 GB in use. The rest is free. I'd like to fill that up with zeroes so the dd img file is compressed better.
[15:08] <gildean> axelm7: http://clonezilla.org/
[15:08] <Bushmills> zerofree
[15:09] <axelm7> gildean, I am making a master image for a commercial application using rpi. I would like to keep it simple. Win32DiskImager is simpler to explain to the field techs than Clonezilla
[15:09] <gildean> imo you should use that and not worry, clonezilla tries to use partimg/parted first and then falls back to dd if there's something wrong with the fs
[15:09] <Bushmills> but filling with ones may be more suted for flash
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[15:10] <axelm7> Bushmills, thanks-
[15:10] <Bushmills> with ones as in all bits set, i.e. fill with $ff
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[15:12] <qmr> my pi is no longer showing up on the network D:
[15:12] <axelm7> Bushmills, is there any tool that will do that for me?
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[15:13] <Bushmills> check zerofree man page
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[15:13] <axelm7> Bushmills, zerofree will no fill with 0xFF
[15:14] <axelm7> will not *
[15:14] <Bushmills> read again
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[15:17] <axelm7> I read it twice, no mention of 0xFF. I have zerofree-1.0.1-11.fc18.x86_64
[15:17] <Bushmills> http://scarydevilmonastery.net/snap/1369487835774850829d.png
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[15:19] <axelm7> that is not an option on the version I have
[15:19] <Bushmills> v 1.0.2-1. debian
[15:19] <axelm7> guess that explains it
[15:21] <Bushmills> raspbian: http://scarydevilmonastery.net/snap/1369488058311215028d.png
[15:21] <Bushmills> also v 1.0.2-1
[15:21] <nid0> im not sure why you think that would not be an option on your version, thats the whole entire purpose of the software
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[15:24] <axelm7> nid0, I am running it on Fedora 18 which has an older zerofree version that only fills with zeros.
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[15:27] <Crenn-NAS> 3D Printer so far: pic.twitter.com/rvOmyT0mQn and pic.twitter.com/vhQ91n49tq :D (Random and not RPi related)
[15:28] <ItsMeLenny> thanks for the non links
[15:30] <Crenn-NAS> ItsMeLenny: Aka no http:// at the front?
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[15:31] <ItsMeLenny> yeah, cant just click on it :P
[15:32] <ItsMeLenny> looks good
[15:32] <Crenn-NAS> Just for you ItsMeLenny http://pic.twitter.com/rvOmyT0mQn and http://pic.twitter.com/vhQ91n49tq
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[15:33] <ItsMeLenny> i just pulled apart 2 printers, 1 scanner, and 2 multifunctions, and only one of the old printers from somewhere around 1999 had a motor that looked like those
[15:33] <ItsMeLenny> Crenn-NAS, did you print that cat?
[15:33] <Crenn-NAS> The cat in the first picture?
[15:34] <ItsMeLenny> yeah
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[15:34] <Crenn-NAS> Cat definately not printed, printed cats don't play with blinds at 3AM
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[15:39] <ItsMeLenny> oh
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[15:43] <Crenn-NAS> ItsMeLenny: I have done 3D printed cats before (And have a timelapse on youtube)
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[15:43] <Chaz6> I hope our repro department at work gets one
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[15:46] <ItsMeLenny> Crenn-NAS, if you have a link handy...
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[15:50] <gordonDrogon> ItsMeLenny, the library I write for the 128x64 will write text - but if you just want text, then any of the usual character LCDs will work for you too.
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[15:51] <ItsMeLenny> ah
[15:51] <ItsMeLenny> i want a picture then into text, but im actually hoping to do it on arduino
[15:51] <ItsMeLenny> but im not sure if i can get an lcd screen + a speaker + sd card reader + video out, going all at the same time on arduino
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[15:58] <Alezaru> hi all
[15:59] <Alezaru> can plug my raspberry to my laptop HDMI ?
[15:59] <Crenn-NAS> ItsMeLenny: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEUdLWwNJ6o
[15:59] <ozzzy> Alezaru: no
[15:59] <Alezaru> :/
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[16:00] <Alezaru> shit i cant plug in to my screen .. dont have HDMI connect
[16:00] <Crenn-NAS> Alezaru: Do you have DVI?
[16:00] <Alezaru> i have standard screen
[16:01] <Alezaru> with blue cable
[16:01] <Alezaru> (sry for my english)
[16:01] <Alezaru> hmm second
[16:01] <maxinux> blue cable == vga
[16:01] <maxinux> you need a digital monitor interface, for dvi/hdmi to work, or a converter to RCA for the rca port
[16:01] <Alezaru> oh yeah dvi the withe
[16:01] <Alezaru> hmm
[16:02] <Alezaru> may be ...
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[16:02] <Alezaru> i have that http://www.google.fr/imgres?um=1&hl=fr&biw=1600&bih=756&tbm=isch&tbnid=VoRrGRcZ0OP7ZM:&imgrefurl=http://www.sospc2424.ch/dynpages/lexique-article.cfm%3Fid%3D2910&docid=VY66xSlPqTRuMM&imgurl=http://www.sospc2424.ch/genericmodule/2910_vga-to-dvi.jpg&w=313&h=300&ei=NcSgUZr0HY2yhAeewoCgAg&zoom=1&iact=rc&dur=374&page=1&tbnh=143&tbnw=149&start=0&ndsp=34&ved=1t:429,r:8,s:0,i:184&tx=99&ty=64
[16:02] <Alezaru> its good ?
[16:02] <maxinux> then you need a dvi -> hdmi converter.. simple adapter like that
[16:03] <Alezaru> ah shit i have dvi/vga adapter
[16:03] <Alezaru> ok well i can buy one today i go shop ^^
[16:03] <Alezaru> be back :)
[16:03] <pksato> hdmi to dvi-d
[16:04] <Alezaru> ok thx
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[16:06] <pksato> cable like it http://www.amazon.com/AmazonBasics-HDMI-Adapter-Cable-Meters/dp/B001TH7T2U
[16:07] <pksato> or, adapter http://www.amazon.com/Importer520-Plated-Female-DVI-D-Adaptor/dp/B0035B4LJM/ref=pd_sim_e_2
[16:07] <ItsMeLenny> Alezaru, dont they only work when the device is capable of outputting a vga signal, as in DVI-I or DVI-A, i would assume HDMI only does DVI-I
[16:07] <ItsMeLenny> DVI-D i mean**** HDMI does
[16:08] <ozzzy> most DVI devices these days don't have the analogue pins
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[16:09] <ItsMeLenny> Crenn-NAS, that is cool
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[16:09] <ItsMeLenny> ive been wanting to build myself one for a long time, or a cnc machine
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[16:12] <Crenn-NAS> ItsMeLenny: I'm hoping to experiment later and use my 3D printer as a basic CNC machine!
[16:12] <Crenn-NAS> Anyway, time for sleep for me, it's past midnight.
[16:13] <Crenn-NAS> Night/morning all!
[16:13] <ItsMeLenny> same
[16:14] <ItsMeLenny> night
[16:14] <ItsMeLenny> as in time of night
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[16:36] <axelm7> I'm having trouble with the dd's count= parameter so it only copies the first 8GB of my SD card
[16:37] <axelm7> here's the partition table http://ur1.ca/e1b41
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[16:38] <axelm7> tried count=7639040 but I aborted the operation when the file was 9GB
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[16:39] <axelm7> input blocks are 512 bytes long, right?
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[16:41] <plugwash> the count option in dd works in terms of the block size you specify
[16:41] <axelm7> please disregard the previous question. Quick test using count=100 shows that the input block size depends on bs=
[16:42] <axelm7> plugwash, thanks
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[16:44] <Ely_arp> sudo dd if=/dev/mmcblk0 of=raspberrypi.img count=7577600
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[16:44] <Hopsy> I never had problems with serial-usb adaptor
[16:45] <Hopsy> now I have updated raspian
[16:45] <Hopsy> it doesnt work anymore
[16:45] <Hopsy> anyone solutions?
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[16:46] <mrdeadlocked> hi all
[16:46] <Hopsy> maybe my raspberry is crashed :\
[16:47] <axelm7> Hopsy, did you run rpi-update to get the latest fixes for the USB kernel issues?
[16:47] <axelm7> my rpi would crash on simply opening an FTDI port
[16:47] <mrdeadlocked> I have my raspberry USB tethered to my aircard. can anyone point me in the right direction of bridging eth0 and usb0 so i can share eth0 out. I've looked at a few guides.
[16:47] <Ely_arp> sorry should be sudo dd if=/dev/mmcblk0 of=raspberrypi.img count= 15278079
[16:47] <Chaz6> axelm7: do you have to do that as well as apt-get upgrade?
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[16:48] <Hopsy> axelm7: I need it to install raspberry camera
[16:48] <axelm7> I don't know what you HAVE to do. I only know what I did
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[16:48] <Hopsy> axelm7: I have connected my raspberrypi to an other screen.. Its working but cant connect from serial, odd
[16:49] <Hopsy> axelm7: ftdi, did you used to much voltage? :P
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[16:52] <axelm7> Hopsy, these are some notes I took at the time: http://pastebin.com/4nk8yVAr
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[16:54] <axelm7> Hopsy, maybe I misunderstood your problem. Do you say your USB-RS232 adapter doesn't work anymore?
[16:54] <Hopsy> http://puu.sh/30QiV/160d5825b0.jpg
[16:54] <Hopsy> look I had connection 10 minutes ago
[16:55] <Hopsy> after raspberry upgrade I dont see anything
[16:55] <Hopsy> black screen
[16:55] <Hopsy> while on the other screen I can see the login screen
[16:56] <overrider> I am using a temperature probe to measure temperature in a water pipe. Currently i drilled a hole into the pipe, put the probe in and heat glued the hole shut. Truth is, i never get it to stop leaking. Is there a device for this kind of situation someone can recommend?
[16:56] <overrider> Like some word i can google for. Like probe screwcap or something.
[16:57] <axelm7> Hopsy, are you trying to connect via serial port from your Windows machine to rpi with a cross cable?
[16:57] <Hopsy> axelm7: exact like this http://raspi.tv/2012/how-to-run-raspberry-pi-with-no-monitor-or-network
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[16:58] <Hopsy> and yes, I pressed thousand times on enter
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[17:00] <ShorTie> overrider, need to put T in that goes to pipe thread, then get electrical connector with a rubber gromite to seal water
[17:00] <axelm7> ok, so rpi usb kernel issues are irrelevant bc you are listening to the serial TTL pins on the GPIO expansion port
[17:01] <axelm7> maybe config.txt was changed
[17:02] <axelm7> or /etc/inittab tty entry for ttyAMA0
[17:02] <axelm7> check those two
[17:02] <piney0> overrider, i think the term is thermowell
[17:02] <overrider> thanks guys, will research
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[17:03] <piney0> overrider, they use them for producing beer a lot. that might help too
[17:03] <iam8up> can you provide 5v on the gpio interface and usb port for dual power supplies?
[17:04] <piney0> depending on the size of the temperature probe, a simple packing nut might work too
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[17:07] <overrider> i think beer brewing was a good tip - lots of stuff found online. The thing with the nut and heat glue and so on is, that besides being easy to leak, its pretty ugly. I am looking for some sort of ready made off the shelve "connector", if that exists
[17:07] <axelm7> Hopsy, I ordered one of these to try it out. http://dx.com/p/rs232-serial-port-express-card-adapter-blue-black-silver-101467
[17:08] <axelm7> I already have a serial port on my laptop so this was cheaper
[17:09] <piney0> overrider, https://www.brewershardware.com/CF1412.html
[17:09] <lee> anybody have a recommendation (and ideally an amazon link) for a known-good pi-compatible doesn't-fall-over-every-x-period mini wifi dongle? seems like there are plenty out there and most of them are rubbish ...
[17:09] <Hopsy> looks nice axelm7
[17:09] <Hopsy> I got this one
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[17:10] <piney0> that will work with a 1/4" temperature sensor.
[17:10] <axelm7> my dealextreme adapter has rx-tx leds which are very useful
[17:10] <Hopsy> axelm7: http://www.adafruit.com/products/954
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[17:11] <Hopsy> thats indeed handfull!
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[17:12] <axelm7> I prefer the dealextreme one because sometimes USB serial ports don't work well for some applications. I have a two real RS232 ports on my laptop
[17:13] <axelm7> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16839328022
[17:13] <axelm7> fantastic serial card. Works much better than FTDI or Prolific
[17:14] <axelm7> I use it for gasoline dispenser control, point of sale printers, credit card machine programming, etc
[17:15] <overrider> piney0: ah awesome mate, this looks good. So they call it a "compression fitting"
[17:16] <piney0> overrider, yes.
[17:16] <piney0> overrider, what temperature probe are you using?
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[17:17] <overrider> piney0: this one https://www.brewershardware.com/10-Temperature-Sensor-DS18B20.html
[17:17] <piney0> ahh great
[17:17] <overrider> Well, at least also a DS18B20 - looks almost the same
[17:17] <piney0> yea
[17:17] <overrider> Same chip, so i can use just that one and it will fit - great, thanks :-)
[17:18] <piney0> i'm planning to do about the same thing. just need to finish other projects first
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[17:19] <Encrypt> Hi everybody !
[17:20] <Encrypt> I'll soon have problems with my Pi I think...
[17:20] <iam8up> uhm that's...cool?
[17:20] <Encrypt> Because when I installed Raspbian, 50% of the SD Card was used
[17:20] <Encrypt> No, I'm using 97% of it :S
[17:20] <Encrypt> Now*
[17:20] <iam8up> installed the image with dd?
[17:20] <Encrypt> The only thing I do is sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[17:21] <iam8up> how big is the card?
[17:21] <iam8up> how big is the partition?
[17:21] <Encrypt> The EXT partition is 3,1 G
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[17:22] <Encrypt> The card must be 4 G big...
[17:22] <iam8up> did you expand the root fs?
[17:22] <Encrypt> Ya
[17:22] <Encrypt> There is no "unused space"
[17:23] <iam8up> wow
[17:23] <Encrypt> Everything is partitioned...
[17:23] <iam8up> i just got mine booted up yesterday for th efirst time...i have an 8 gig card
[17:24] <overrider> ditto
[17:26] <Chaz6> Such a shame the pi can't pxe boot natively
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[17:28] <Encrypt> This is what du -sh /* gives: http://pastebin.com/AWE3Ufzr
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[17:29] <Encrypt> Is "831M /var/cache" normal also?
[17:29] <Encrypt> It seems to me quite big...
[17:30] <iam8up> Chaz6, NO KIDDING
[17:30] <iam8up> but that would increase the cost of the device, it'd need a local storage device for those few kilobytes/megabytes
[17:31] <Chaz6> The other thing I'd love to have is power over ethernet support
[17:31] <iam8up> that would be cheap to do
[17:32] <iam8up> but to be honest if you really want to do poe you could just inject 5v and then split the blue/brown wires to the gpio
[17:32] <iam8up> not that it is pretty, but it is doable
[17:32] <Chaz6> I'd need a proper splitter because my injector is 802.3af
[17:32] <iam8up> oh don't do af
[17:32] <iam8up> besides af sucks
[17:33] <Encrypt> Nobody else got this problem here?
[17:33] <Bushmills> be happy about lots of things cached
[17:34] <Encrypt> "813M /var/cache/apt"
[17:34] <Encrypt> I think I should autoclean, right?
[17:34] <iam8up> mine is 364 megabytes
[17:34] <iam8up> i just booted it yesterday, updated the raspi-config and it's doing retropi now - not sure if that got anything via apt or not
[17:35] <Encrypt> This would free a lot of space...
[17:35] <Bushmills> apart from that normally raspberries have only 256 or 512 MB, no, why should it autoclean?
[17:35] <plugwash> use apt-get clean
[17:35] <Encrypt> Ya
[17:35] <Encrypt> That's what I was talking about...
[17:35] <iam8up> becaues there's no reason to cache data on the disk if you're low on space
[17:35] <Bushmills> aptitude clean
[17:35] <Encrypt> apt-get ftw! :p
[17:36] <Encrypt> But then, what does it keeps all of this on the SD Card?
[17:36] <Encrypt> why*
[17:36] <Encrypt> keep* (>.<)
[17:36] <Bushmills> it's placed there prior to unpacking and installing
[17:37] <Bushmills> and unless you instruct one or the other to remove it, there is no reason to.
[17:37] <Encrypt> Nothing has been done to clean this directory after installations?
[17:37] <Bushmills> you can set aptitude to remove upon exit
[17:37] <Encrypt> Ok... :)
[17:37] <iam8up> it's like a web proxy
[17:37] <Bushmills> well, a script invoking apt-get then cleaning, is little effort
[17:37] <iam8up> it'll store the data there in case you want to add/remove again
[17:37] <Encrypt> Bushmills,
[17:37] <Encrypt> Ya
[17:38] <Encrypt> Or even an alias: updates="sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get clean"
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[17:39] <axelm7> bye guys, thanks for the help
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[17:43] <Encrypt> Now, 70% of the EXT partition is used...
[17:43] <Encrypt> Thanks all :)
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[17:53] <dank101> I need help
[17:54] <Encrypt> dank101, "Don't ask to ask, just ask ;)"
[17:55] <dank101> im trying to use my belkin wireless card using a HUB i just brought at RadioShack
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[17:55] <dank101> Model of the USB card is
[17:55] <dank101> F9L1101v1
[17:55] <dank101> is there any support for this device
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[17:57] <Encrypt> dank101, It isn't working?
[17:57] <dank101> Yeah
[17:57] <dank101> no show in the WiFi config app
[17:57] <dank101> but it shows up in kernel output
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[17:59] <dank101> it's serial in kernel is 000001
[17:59] <dank101> is that a problem
[18:00] <dank101> i'm a noob lol
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[18:03] <SpeedEvil> Serial numbers unfortunately are not mandatory in USB
[18:03] <SpeedEvil> If I was part of the USB committee, I would have made them so.
[18:04] <SpeedEvil> But then - I would have also added a +35V @1A 'high power port' mode.
[18:04] <dank101> i just need some help
[18:04] <ParkerR> SpeedEvil, Imagine a world where everything could be identified by the serial and not have to use names
[18:04] <SpeedEvil> I just need some apple pie.
[18:04] <ParkerR> Would make udev easier
[18:05] <SpeedEvil> ParkerR: It's worse than that.
[18:05] <ShadowJK> Asus has a 15V @ 1A mode on USB.. they use it for tablet chargers
[18:05] <SpeedEvil> ParkerR: You have 10 identical bits of hardware - how do you ID them?
[18:05] <dank101> anyone?
[18:05] <SpeedEvil> You end up with icky hacks like relying on the way they are plugged.
[18:05] <dank101> i just need my fix...
[18:05] <SpeedEvil> dank101: google yourdevice linux kernel
[18:05] <ParkerR> SpeedEvil, Ouch
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[18:06] <dank101> SpeedEvil, i can't transfer it
[18:06] <SpeedEvil> dank101: or find the manufacturer and device ID - and do the same
[18:06] <ParkerR> Its a Broadcom BCM4323 chipset
[18:06] <dank101> Ah thanks
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[18:09] <dank101> i can't see a kernel for Raspbian
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[18:11] <hydroxygen> the apple I serial #1 just sold for $650,000
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[18:13] * SpeedEvil gutted a Lisa ages ago.
[18:13] * SpeedEvil wishes he'd realised apple stuff would be so expensive.
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[18:15] <dank101> apple is always expencive
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[18:16] <dank101> apple is the centre of expensive stuff
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[18:16] <SpeedEvil> Apple I's were not expensive at one period in history
[18:16] <SpeedEvil> I diddn't pick up several as they were being thrown out.
[18:17] <hydroxygen> they listed for $666.66
[18:17] <hydroxygen> so kim kommando says.. ;o
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[18:18] <hydroxygen> komando*
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[18:18] <SpeedEvil> At the time, computers were expensive.
[18:18] <SpeedEvil> The Apple I was not a 'low end' computer.
[18:19] <SpeedEvil> That would have pretty much been a PCB with 16 keys on, and a dozen 7 segment displays.
[18:20] <hydroxygen> this pi reminds me of the old z80s by ti
[18:21] <Chaz6> I'd like a pi case styled after a zx spectrum
[18:21] <hydroxygen> imagine walking into a tech room with a pi in 1980..they would bow and cry to the power
[18:21] <SpeedEvil> Chaz6: http://www.b3ta.com/board/10967318
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[18:30] <ParkerR> hydroxygen, Thanks for the idea
[18:30] * ParkerR hops in his time machine
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[18:33] <Alezaru> im back
[18:34] <Alezaru> i buy a vga/dvi cable and an dvi-hdmi adapter
[18:34] <Alezaru> its ok for use my screen ?
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[18:34] <Alezaru> my screen print : no input video
[18:34] <Alezaru> :/
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[18:37] <gordonDrogon> I guess it's not OK to use then.
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[18:38] <Alezaru> i think SD card is not ok
[18:38] <qmr> protip: don't cut power to rpi when it is or might be fscking ._.
[18:38] <Alezaru> its the freind raspberry
[18:39] <Alezaru> i download raspbian for try to reset conf.
[18:39] <Alezaru> i hope thats wil work
[18:41] <qmr> anyone had issues with mac sd card reader? I saw something suggesting to put the slider halfway and try again, but that is not working
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[18:43] <Mogwai> qmr: What's the problem?
[18:44] <qmr> Mogwai: it's always read only
[18:44] <Mogwai> qmr: Oh, did you check the little physical ock on the sdcard itself?
[18:44] <Mogwai> lock
[18:45] <qmr> right, tried it all the way in each direction, and in the middle. same result
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[18:46] <Mogwai> qmr: Aha, I see now .. so you think it might be stuck I suppose
[18:46] <qmr> it's a problem with the reader. it worked on friends' netbook
[18:47] <Mogwai> Mhm, curious .. never seen that
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[18:48] <qmr> you can find similar reports searching Google
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[19:06] <zero_coder> hey. I am not getting a gui loading wheezy in qemu emulator
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[19:12] <zero_coder> hey. the startx command is not working
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[19:15] <gordonDrogon> what do you get?
[19:16] <zero_coder> one minute gordonDrogon
[19:16] <zero_coder> gordonDrogon : auth : eroor in locking authority files
[19:17] <zero_coder> auth : error in locing authority file /root/.Xauthority
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[19:17] <zero_coder> X: cannot stat /tmp.X11-unix (no such file or directory)
[19:17] <gordonDrogon> but it otherwise boots and you get normal text login?
[19:17] <zero_coder> yep gordonDrogon
[19:17] <gordonDrogon> it's been over a year since I used qemu with the Pi images...
[19:18] <gordonDrogon> trying to recall now if I ran X up under it...
[19:18] <zero_coder> then how do you emulate it??
[19:18] <gordonDrogon> I have real Pi's now.
[19:18] <gordonDrogon> no need to emulate.
[19:18] <zero_coder> i am thinking of working on some some projects with pi
[19:18] <gordonDrogon> just get a Pi :)
[19:18] <gordonDrogon> or 2 or 3 ...
[19:19] <zero_coder> how much does it cost there gordonDrogon
[19:19] <zero_coder> ?
[19:19] <gordonDrogon> here - I'm in the UK. they're about �31 inc vat. (tax)
[19:19] <zero_coder> is there any other way to emulate it gordonDrogon ?
[19:20] <DDave> Hey I realize this might not the the place to ask, but: If I wanted something a bit "better" than a rpi, what should I get?
[19:20] <zero_coder> beaglebone DDave
[19:20] <gordonDrogon> qemu ought to work, but you might have to do some googling to work out how to run up X windows under it.
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[19:20] <DDave> zero_coder, two lan interfaces would be kickass. Know anything?
[19:21] <[diablo]> Good afternoon #raspberrypi
[19:21] <DDave> Basically something like a soekris but without the 600USD price tag..
[19:21] <zero_coder> does ur laptop have a two lan interface?
[19:21] <gordonDrogon> zero_coder, here are some instructions: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=37386
[19:21] <zero_coder> DDave
[19:21] <SpeedEvil> 2 lan one CPU
[19:22] <[diablo]> I'm using my model b pi as a server� (freereadius, bind9 and apache2) � I used the default raspbian image, there is a lot of desktop stuff installed, so I'm interested if there is a smaller minimalistic install possible please?
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[19:22] <DDave> zero_coder, Ive never seen a laptop with two lan ports ;)
[19:22] <zero_coder> DDave : so why do you need for a pi?
[19:24] <DDave> zero_coder, Nobody said I was using my rpi in the same manner you'd use a laptop/desktop
[19:24] <DDave> ;)
[19:25] <DDave> [diablo], I remember seeing some minimal images flaoting around somewhere on the wiki page
[19:25] <gordonDrogon> [diablo], apt-get purge xorg (etc)
[19:25] <[diablo]> DDave, gordonDrogon afternoon� OK interesting...
[19:25] <gordonDrogon> it's trivial to remove (& re-add) packages under debian if you really need the space...
[19:26] <gordonDrogon> dpkg -l <- gives you a package list.
[19:26] <gildean> DDave: i'd go for a supermicro, they have some cheap atom-boards with dual intel nics
[19:26] <[diablo]> DDave, I'd actually like to stay on an official distro if possible� I can't see a debian 7 for pi (except raspbian)
[19:26] <gordonDrogon> Raspbian is Debian 7 for the Pi.
[19:26] <[diablo]> gordonDrogon, yeah� but I mean like a version officially from Debian
[19:27] <gordonDrogon> Debian will not produce an official version of Debian for the Pi as they do not recognise the processor. You can run Debian 7 on the Pi from Debian, but it's soft-float only.
[19:27] <nerdboy> moin
[19:27] <DDave> gildean, thanks for the tip
[19:28] <[diablo]> ah ok
[19:28] <[diablo]> cool guys, thank you for explaining that
[19:28] <[diablo]> I'll go for the apt-get purge
[19:28] <gordonDrogon> Just stick with Raspbian. It really is debian wheezy just re-compiled to properly suit the Pi's CPU.
[19:29] <zero_coder> hey. anythin other than a qemu emulator is available?
[19:29] <gordonDrogon> I did a series of tests some months back to remove extra packages from a Pi - got it down to under 600MB without really trying.
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[19:31] <piney0> [diablo], http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=42667&p=353271 That's as close to official as i know of.
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[19:34] <[diablo]> cheers piney0
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[19:35] <ParkerR> piney0, :D
[19:35] <ParkerR> plugwash, Thank you
[19:36] <nerdboy> you can always dbootstrap your own image if you want...
[19:36] <nerdboy> i ended up doing that on efikamx
[19:37] <nerdboy> mostly because they only had squeeze images and i wanted wheezy
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[19:38] <mpmc> Hey guys. I have three RPi's 2x256mb rev2 1x512mb. All using the same SD cards. one of the 256mb boards refuses to boot unless I cool down the sd card as it gets too hot the others barely get warm, the only difference between all three is two are powered by hubs and the other by an RS UK power brick. I've ran apt update on all to test and without fail the one board refuses to boot unless the sd is cooled down, any ideas?
[19:39] <elek_> nerdboy, going back to what we discussed last night this is what i whipped up to do the e-mail notifications on ip change. http://pastebin.com/FRSxLaJd
[19:39] <nerdboy> mpmc: is that the one on the brick?
[19:39] <mpmc> nerdboy: Yes :)
[19:40] <nerdboy> what happens if you swap power sources?
[19:40] <nerdboy> elek_: looks like what [Saint] suggested
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[19:41] <elek_> yup, was fairly easily just never wrote bash in my life so it took me an hour instead of a few minutes
[19:42] <mpmc> nerdboy: I haven't tried that yet, but what difference would it make as the others all use the same microusb port.
[19:43] <nerdboy> the man page is pretty good, plus the bash scripting guides
[19:44] <nerdboy> elek_: looks good anyway
[19:46] <nerdboy> mpmc: hard to say until you try it, ie, whether it's the brick or the pi
[19:46] <Olivier> (bumping) Hi there, I have issues with omxplayer when I'm using display_rotate=1 (portrait) in config.txt : my 1080x1920 h264 videos are wavering/flickering a bit, like it was not in sync with vsync. If I rotate the videos in 1920x1080 and play them (in landscape mode), they're displayed smoothly. 128M is allocated for the GPU. No X started. CPU usage is low. Any tip to fix that ? Or a better place to ask ?
[19:46] <nerdboy> i've had some weird bricks and hubs tho...
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[19:49] <mpmc> nerdboy: Trying it now :)
[19:50] <djazz> how can I make the font in xterm look like the default "DOS" font? I just installed a WM on arch for rpi
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[19:51] <nerdboy> you could try a more modern terminal...
[19:51] <djazz> sure
[19:51] <djazz> tried some but all have that ugly font
[19:51] <Alezaru> wtf i have any video signal
[19:52] <Alezaru> just format SD and reinstalled raspbian
[19:52] <Alezaru> screen stay black ..
[19:52] <Alezaru> flat screen (VGA) > VGA/DVI cable > DVI/HDMI adapter > Raspberry HDMI input
[19:54] <Alezaru> any ideas ?
[19:55] <nerdboy> with xterm it would be an Xdefaults thing and maybe a commandline option
[19:55] <djazz> nerdboy: yeah I'm editing Xdefaults
[19:55] <nerdboy> what files are installed by the package?
[19:57] <nerdboy> nm, you found it...
[19:57] <Mortvert> Alezaru, HDMI is analog signal
[19:57] <Mortvert> errr
[19:57] <Mortvert> VGA is analog, HDMI is the other kind
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[19:59] <Grievre> Alezaru: Er, you can't do VGA->DVI->HDMI
[19:59] <Grievre> it doesn't work
[19:59] <Grievre> in fact the cables shouldn't physically fit
[19:59] <Grievre> if they do you have out of spec adapters
[19:59] <Alezaru> i have nothing else ...
[19:59] <Grievre> Alezaru: DVI supports analog and/or digital signalling. VGA is analog only, HDMI is digital only
[19:59] <nerdboy> mpmc: i had a powered usb hub that used to dork up the machine on every boot
[19:59] <Grievre> Alezaru: Get a Composite to VGA converter
[19:59] <Skindred> VGA can go to DVI-A, but only DVI-D can go to HDMI
[20:00] <nerdboy> disconnect the usb cable and everything was fine...
[20:00] <Alezaru> ffs i lost 20 bucks for buy cable and adapter
[20:00] <Alezaru> :/
[20:00] <Skindred> tho there are DVI-I connectors, they only pass analog to analog and digital to digital
[20:00] <Grievre> well do your research next time
[20:00] <Grievre> You don't have any monitors that take DVI or HDMI?
[20:01] <Grievre> Or an old CRT television that takes composite?
[20:01] <Alezaru> gmm
[20:01] <Alezaru> old tv
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[20:01] <Alezaru> yes
[20:01] <Alezaru> i have an old tv
[20:01] <Alezaru> (really old..)
[20:01] <mpmc> I think most people have those lying around :p
[20:01] <nerdboy> no analog video connector?
[20:01] <Alezaru> hmm second i check
[20:02] <Grievre> if your old TV doesn't have composite in, you can DEFINITELY find a working CRT with composite in a junkyard
[20:02] <nerdboy> Alezaru: or maybe you have an old vcr to go with it?
[20:03] <Alezaru> just scart plug
[20:03] <Alezaru> that can work ?
[20:03] <nerdboy> with an adapter
[20:03] <Alezaru> -_-
[20:03] <nerdboy> i think they make those...
[20:03] <Alezaru> ps 1 white yellow red ?
[20:03] <Alezaru> its ok ?
[20:04] <nerdboy> yellow would be video
[20:04] <Alezaru> oh shit i need adapter scart / hdmi
[20:04] <Alezaru> pfff
[20:04] <Alezaru> 2 oclock
[20:04] <Alezaru> to late :/
[20:04] <Alezaru> 20*
[20:04] <Alezaru> rahh grrrr
[20:05] <Alezaru> its die .. need wait monday now :/
[20:05] <gildean> Alezaru: you only need a rca-cable from the pi's composite video out to you tv
[20:05] <Alezaru> pff
[20:05] <nerdboy> clarify ps 1 white yellow red ?
[20:05] <gildean> *your
[20:05] <nerdboy> does that mean you have one?
[20:05] <Alezaru> i have thats :
[20:05] <mpmc> nerdboy: I've just changed the power to a microusb for a phone [I stole it off a family member :p] connected to the same hub my other Pi is powered with and at the moment it's installing some software and so far the sd card is barely warm O.O, hopefully when it's finished it'll reboot without any issues. I got the power brick with the Pi from RS, you'd think they'd check they're fully compat before selling tho =_=
[20:06] <Alezaru> http://www.google.fr/imgres?um=1&sa=N&biw=1600&bih=756&hl=fr&tbm=isch&tbnid=1uFR2_u-85-OGM:&imgrefurl=http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Playstation-composite-cables.jpg&docid=e8I4kEa420ffrM&imgurl=http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8c/Playstation-composite-cables.jpg&w=3250&h=2150&ei=hv2gUefHDYG_0QW6h4HgDw&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=252&vpy=226&dur=502&hovh=183&hovw=276&tx=67&t
[20:06] <Alezaru> y=65&page=1&tbnh=144&tbnw=215&start=0&ndsp=38&ved=1t:429,r:2,s:0,i:90
[20:06] <nerdboy> Alezaru: then plug the yellow one into the pi video connectpr
[20:06] <nerdboy> *connector even
[20:06] <Alezaru> but output cannot plug to the tv
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[20:07] <Alezaru> hmm
[20:07] <mpmc> nerdboy: And... it rebooted without issue!
[20:07] <Alezaru> ok fine i go to my dad (had full hd plat screen tv with hdmi connect)
[20:07] <Alezaru> install SSH and back home
[20:07] <nerdboy> can you make a tinyurl for that?
[20:07] <Alezaru> yes sry
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[20:09] <nerdboy> i use a broken tv for testing, but it does have hdmi
[20:09] <nerdboy> and big red line down one side of the display...
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[20:13] <nerdboy> ShiftPlusOne: for future reference, the easy-bake method for your rootfs would be something like this: grab an appropriate stage3 and steal a kernel/bootloader from somwhere, boot it, then build native and/or install packages you built via crossdev
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[20:15] <Ricksl> So whats the good word on weston performance?
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[20:17] <jondot> hello
[20:18] <jondot> I just pushed something I've been working on for the last couple of weekends on Github
[20:18] <jondot> anyone wants to give it a go? http://jondot.github.io/groundcontrol/
[20:19] <DDave> jondot, Add some screenshots/examples to your website :)
[20:20] <jondot> DDave, is there anything specific you were thinking of?
[20:20] <nerdboy> interesting...
[20:20] <DDave> jondot, what a "typical" panel would look like would be sweet :)
[20:20] <nerdboy> i still use gkrellm locally but that looks pretty cool
[20:21] <jondot> DDave, in the second section, theres' a mock of a phone. what's inside would be the typical panel. maybe it doesn't look that obvious?
[20:22] <jondot> nerdboy, thanks. the idea is to provide a hackable platform, that you can tack on all of the things you usually need to run as daemon on the Pi (for example, I will be adding dyndns feature)
[20:22] <jondot> so that all in all you'll "pay" just the amount of a single daemon, instead of having several hanging around and taking much resources
[20:23] <DDave> jondot, alright, I thought it was just a drawing without "real" significance
[20:23] <DDave> Looks very interesting though
[20:23] <jondot> any solution i've looked at involved stringing up several various tools. when you add up - all of those take more resources than ground control.
[20:23] <jondot> DDave, yep, it is worth reconsideration - thanks
[20:24] <nerdboy> there are some interactive plugins for gkrellm, but mostly it's justa bunch of status displays
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[20:25] <jondot> yup. with GC, you can hook it up to Librato, make custom dashboards and set alerts that sends you emails when things go wrong
[20:26] <JakeSays> anyone done any work with qt on the pi?
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[20:28] <jondot> DDave, nerdboy, so if you guys happen to give it a go and bump into any issue, feel free to open an issue on Github, https://github.com/jondot/groundcontrol
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[20:28] <ShiftPlusOne> nerdboy, thanks, but that's just cheating D=
[20:28] <jondot> the code is there, if you're curious
[20:28] <DDave> jondot, Ill have a go at it later :)
[20:29] <jondot> cool :)
[20:29] <JakeSays> jondot: so what do you think of go?
[20:29] <jondot> JakeSays, it is surprisingly compatible with the Pi
[20:30] <jondot> it should be the best platform to code in, for the Pi. it has better performance than Python (which is used with a lot of projects on the Pi), and uses much less resources
[20:30] <nerdboy> ShiftPlusOne: is not
[20:30] <JakeSays> jondot: i mean what do you think of it as a language
[20:31] <nerdboy> if so, then the only tool i can think that will do what you want is bitbake
[20:31] <jondot> JakeSays, it's a much better C. should be very easy to get used to. pointers aren't really as confusing or as dangerous
[20:31] <jondot> and the tooling is also much better, have you got something in mind for it?
[20:31] <JakeSays> jondot: i might give it a 'go' then
[20:31] <jondot> :)
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[20:32] <ShiftPlusOne> nerdboy, I ended up using buildroot to do my bidding. Never got the hang of OE.
[20:32] <nerdboy> the latest poky/yocto/oe is pretty sweet
[20:32] <JakeSays> jondot: well, i want to do some gpio work, and create a small server, and perhaps some webcam video sharing
[20:33] <JakeSays> jondot: was going to use qt/c++ since thats my background
[20:33] <ShiftPlusOne> Yup, I had a look at the docs recently and it seemed much better than what I saw when I was messing around with OE.
[20:33] <jondot> JakeSays, i think I saw some discussion on #go-nuts about Pi and GPIO. I was planning on adding an LCD module for Ground Control (as soon as my LCD arrives)� so it might be a good bet
[20:34] <nerdboy> i've had to wrestle TI's fork of the "classic" oe for the last couple of years at work
[20:34] <nerdboy> not nearly as much fun...
[20:35] <ShiftPlusOne> nerdboy, you understand that if I ever get back to it, I'll be bugging you with stupid questions then, right?
[20:35] <JakeSays> jondot: so what sort of tooling is available for go/pi?
[20:35] <nerdboy> just follow the readme and maybe check pimp-your-pi
[20:36] <nerdboy> you can build a pi image pretty quick
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[20:36] <jondot> JakeSays, nothing specific. I just develop on my Mac and use cross-compiling to get a Pi binary
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[20:37] <gordonDrogon> jondot, easy lcd from C/C++ here: http://wiringpi.com/dev-lib/lcd-library/
[20:37] <jondot> cool, thanks
[20:38] <jondot> JakeSays, also note that C binding wouldn't work perfectly, so keep using native Go libraries
[20:38] <JakeSays> jondot: hmm. i wonder if there are go libs for gpio
[20:39] <jondot> you might wanna ask someone in #go-nuts
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[20:40] <dank101> can someone give me a deb link for the package firmware-ralink
[20:40] <dank101> i need it for my Pi and don't have enthernet
[20:41] <JakeSays> jondot: my ultimate goal is to connect my pi to a basic stamp board using gpio
[20:41] <gordonDrogon> doesn't the stamp support serial?
[20:43] <SpeedEvil> Ah - basic stamp.
[20:44] <SpeedEvil> Like ardiuno on steroids.
[20:44] <Ricksl> what
[20:44] <SpeedEvil> - prone to rages, issues with short term memory, ...
[20:44] <Ricksl> And basic stamps have uart serial built in
[20:45] <Ricksl> it uses the "debug" command in the programming environment
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[20:45] <Raspiman> Hi
[20:45] <Ricksl> so like debug recieve or whatever would be the equivalent to serial read. the usb ones use ftdi chips so drivers are already in the pi
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[20:47] <JakeSays> Ricksl: i have a parallax homework board, but its not using usb
[20:48] <Ricksl> So you have this http://www.parallax.com/Store/Microcontrollers/BASICStampDevelopmentBoards/tabid/137/ProductID/133/List/0/Default.aspx?SortField=ProductName,ProductName
[20:48] <Raspiman> Is it save to put 5v on a gpio pin?
[20:48] <JakeSays> Ricksl: thats it
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[20:48] <gordonDrogon> Raspiman, no.
[20:49] <JakeSays> Raspiman: scroll to end of page: http://wiringpi.com/pins/special-pin-functions/
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[20:49] <gordonDrogon> heh.. :)
[20:50] <Raspiman> i have this button: http://www.dfrobot.com/wiki/index.php/DFRobot_Digital_Push_Button_(SKU:DFR0029)
[20:50] <Ricksl> this could work http://dx.com/p/usb-to-rs232-dongle-with-extension-cable-5859
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[20:50] <Raspiman> for the fist time i connected the button i did. 5v / ground / GPIO pin. The button works and nothing broke.
[20:50] <JakeSays> Ricksl: can't i use gpio as a uart?
[20:50] <Ricksl> or if you really want to do gpio to free up usb use something like this http://www.amazon.com/RS232-converter-board-Female-3-3V/dp/B005D5T292
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[20:51] <Ricksl> but make sure it is 3.3v ttl uart or you will fry something quickly
[20:51] <gordonDrogon> Raspiman, connect it to 3.3v on the Pi, not 5v
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[20:51] <gordonDrogon> the Pi's uart is 3.3v ...
[20:52] <gordonDrogon> you need a simple resistor divider on the Rx (in to Pi) to connect it to a 5v device.
[20:52] <nerdboy> ShiftPlusOne: i just improved my little howto for you...
[20:52] <JakeSays> Ricksl: hmm. my original thinking was to use gpio on the pi to the io pins on the homeworkboard - i just need to wait for a signal from the stamp.
[20:52] <Raspiman> yes i did it after. And thats works also. and i dont fry'd my pi. But when i had that button attaced to 5V. The gpio pins will get 5v on there asses?
[20:53] <gordonDrogon> Raspiman, who knows. I don't see the circuit diagram, but I suspect the board just a pull up resistor on it
[20:53] <ShiftPlusOne> nerdboy, howto?
[20:53] <Raspiman> yea the button is nothing special.
[20:53] <ShiftPlusOne> Which howto?
[20:53] <nerdboy> http://www.gentoogeek.org/steves_world/raspberrypi_mpd_image_html
[20:53] <Ricksl> but gordon you still need something to shift the rs232 serial from the homework board down to ttl uart, because remember inverted signals, so if you are getting an adapter anyway just get one that has a 3.3volt setting
[20:54] <ShiftPlusOne> nerdboy, ah, thanks. Bookmarked
[20:54] <Raspiman> This button have 3 wires, but how to add a switch with only 2 cables?
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[20:54] <Raspiman> Ground and GPIO pin together?
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[20:54] <gordonDrogon> Ricksl, inverted? what an odd board. 5v ttl will usually work ok from a 3.3v source - you just need resistors to go from ttl into the pi.
[20:55] <JakeSays> Ricksl: well, i need the rs232 on the homework board to program it.
[20:55] <gordonDrogon> Raspiman, yes just 2 wires normally for a button.
[20:55] <Ricksl> what, no rs232 signals are inverted from ttl signals.
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[20:55] <Ricksl> https://www.sparkfun.com/tutorials/215
[20:55] <Raspiman> @gordon. oke. when the button have 2 wires. 1 wire = 3.3v and other 2 ground&gpio pin
[20:56] <gordonDrogon> Raspiman, it doesn't matter - I normally connect the gpio pin to 0v via a switch.
[20:56] <gordonDrogon> Raspiman, you then need to enable the internal pull-up resistor in the Pi for that gpio pin.
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[20:57] <Raspiman> Oke. IT's a little bit new for me :)
[20:57] <Ricksl> well in that case jake use a software i2c stack on the basic stamp and then use raspberry pi i2c
[20:57] <gordonDrogon> Raspiman, so you push the button and the pin reads 0.
[20:57] <Raspiman> it's 0 or 1 yes
[20:57] <gordonDrogon> Raspiman, yes, but inverted, so it reads 1 when the button is open, and 0 when closed.
[20:58] <Raspiman> when i dont push the yellow button. it's 1. and when i push it. it's get 0
[20:58] <gordonDrogon> thats ok - just cater for it in your code.
[20:58] <gordonDrogon> that probably means the button has a resistor connecting the input to the +3.3v side.
[20:58] <gordonDrogon> that saves you doing it internally on the Pi.
[20:58] <djazz> I run Awesome WM on my pi :D http://i.imgur.com/Gmo5Nnl.png
[20:59] <djazz> its veery slow
[20:59] <gordonDrogon> djazz, I run xfce4 - it's fast enough.
[20:59] <JakeSays> Ricksl: since the hw board is 5v, i'll need something to step that down to 3.3v, right?
[21:00] <Raspiman> gordon. so i need a resistor when i use a 2 wire button
[21:00] <djazz> gordonDrogon: but awesome is supposed to be "lightweight"
[21:00] <gordonDrogon> Raspiman, you might want to see this https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/gpio-examples/tux-crossing/
[21:00] <djazz> it's not even a DE
[21:00] <gordonDrogon> djazz, I've never tried it to compare to xfce4...
[21:00] <Ricksl> that is correct jake
[21:01] <Ricksl> but you can't use a resistor divider for i2c iirc
[21:01] <Raspiman> gordon, livesaver :)
[21:01] <Ricksl> because it is bidirectional
[21:01] <djazz> is there a way I can try wayland/weston on arch?
[21:02] <Raspiman> gordon, did u make the wiringpi thing?
[21:02] <djazz> i cloned the git link as stated o their blog
[21:02] <djazz> but now what?
[21:02] <gordonDrogon> Raspiman, yes, that's mine.
[21:02] <Raspiman> lovely
[21:02] <Raspiman> :)
[21:02] <djazz> for rpi, the weston and wayland packages are in the repos for arch
[21:02] <gordonDrogon> make sure with I2C that one side isn't pulling the bus to 5v ... The Pi has on-board 1K8 pull-ups to 3.3v...
[21:02] <djazz> are they made for the pi?
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[21:03] <gordonDrogon> back inna bit..
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[21:04] <devslash> I'm thinking about getting a battery pack so I can make my pi portable. are there any known brands that i can use for this purpose ?
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[21:05] <adeus> buy one of those things designed to charge cell phones
[21:05] <Ricksl> http://www.batteriesplus.com/product/46068-WKA12--8F-12V-8Ah-AGM-Battery/100085-1/102629-SLA-Sealed-Lead-Acid-Batteries/102645-Werker/12V.aspx
[21:05] <JakeSays> Ricksl: yeah i think i2c is overkill for this. i dont need bi-directional between the two. just need a trigger on the pi that comes from the stamp
[21:05] <djazz> I have an "emergency charger" with 5200 mAh, 5V 2A
[21:06] <djazz> can run the pi for more than 7 hours
[21:06] <devslash> how long do those normally last ?
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[21:06] <djazz> (when watching youtube etc..)
[21:06] <Ricksl> does it have to be a complex trigger, aka have data?
[21:06] <adeus> depends on the model, but you'll get a day out
[21:06] <devslash> djazz: is that a small battery pack ?
[21:07] <adeus> roughly
[21:07] <djazz> devslash: w8
[21:07] <devslash> ?
[21:07] <devslash> w8 ?
[21:07] <JakeSays> Ricksl: nope - just need to detect a change. but come to think of it, i have a relay on the hw board. i could connect the relay switch to two pins on the pi, i think
[21:08] <eggy> think I'm going to convert to the minimal images
[21:08] <djazz> devslash: http://www.kjell.com/images/Product_130400613662477231/full/1/powerpack-5200-mah
[21:08] <djazz> w8 = wait
[21:08] <devslash> oh sorry
[21:08] <devslash> how big is that?
[21:09] <djazz> 135x48x18 mm
[21:09] <devslash> small..
[21:09] <Ricksl> That is somewhat overkill as well. just use a resistor divider, connect the grounds and make the pin high on the hw board
[21:10] <devslash> and that lasts you 7 hours ? its rechargeable right?
[21:10] <JakeSays> Ricksl: it is overkill, but its already in place.
[21:10] <djazz> devslash: yup
[21:10] <devslash> nice
[21:10] <devslash> whats the name of that ? I wanna look into that
[21:10] <Ricksl> I am confused as to what the problem is then, btw remember when using relays to have a diode across the pins to prevent inductive backspike.
[21:10] <djazz> devslash: it probably lasts more than 7-8 hours, havent tried to empty it
[21:11] <devslash> whats the name of the brand/model ?
[21:11] <JakeSays> Ricksl: there's no problem - i'm just trying to figure out how i'm going to go about it. it's been 30'ish years since i've done anything with electronics
[21:11] <JakeSays> so i'm way rusty
[21:11] <JakeSays> way
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[21:12] <Ricksl> No trouble, what makes you want to get back into it?
[21:12] <JakeSays> Ricksl: hmm. forgot about the backspike. maybe i'll just connect direct.
[21:12] <nerdboy> devslash: newegg has several differnet ones
[21:12] <djazz> devslash: I think its available in sweden only, cant find this exact model elsewhere
[21:12] <devslash> are they called power packs ?
[21:12] <nerdboy> *different even
[21:12] <JakeSays> Ricksl: i'm fascinated with it all, and have been wanting to experiment for a long time now.
[21:12] <djazz> devslash: yeah, power packs
[21:12] <Ricksl> not that big of a deal just something like this http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.pantechsolutions.net/images/stories/k2-articles/interfacing-buzzer-to-microcontroller.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.pantechsolutions.net/microcontroller-boards/relay-interfacing-with-8051-slicker&h=349&w=507&sz=15&tbnid=Wo5zACzhGTgdVM:&tbnh=83&tbnw=120&zoom=1&usg=__h0_WgbW5eWyvz3tAvs8q8K1Qok0=&docid=59RjS_rbc4oMzM&sa=X&ei=FQ2hUcn3AYaz0QGcuIGQAw&v
[21:12] <Ricksl> 5
[21:12] <nerdboy> look under phone/tablet accesories
[21:13] <Ricksl> sorry bout the url
[21:13] <nerdboy> use tinyurl...
[21:13] <Ricksl> I would rather apologise for a long one every now and again.
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[21:21] <devslash> nerdboy: something like this? http://www.amazon.com/PowerGen-External-Blackberry-Sensation-Thunderbolt/dp/B005VBNYDS/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1369509628&sr=8-3&keywords=powerpack
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[21:23] <nerdboy> or this http://tinyurl.com/pdqjonu
[21:23] <N3o> hi guys! I'm trying to run raspbian in qemu with a kernel built by me (3.2) .... it boots fine it seems but at login, after entering user: pi and password and getting the default welcome message I'm returned back to the login prompt
[21:23] <N3o> any ideas?
[21:23] <nerdboy> it's not *that* hard Ricksl
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[21:23] <devslash> thats the same one i showed you
[21:24] <nerdboy> yeah, i was trying to make a point...
[21:24] <devslash> ?
[21:24] <devslash> the pi needs 700ma right ?
[21:24] <Mogwai> N3o: Hmm, forgot to include PTY support?
[21:24] <djazz> hmm, I just installed omxplayer. why is the audio so crappy?
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[21:25] <djazz> also I see some new options in the help for it
[21:25] <ShiftPlusOne> N3o, did you edit ld.so.preload ?
[21:26] <N3o> I've followed these steps: http://xecdesign.com/compiling-a-kernel/
[21:26] <N3o> ShiftPlusOne: I didn't
[21:26] <ShiftPlusOne> http://xecdesign.com/qemu-emulating-raspberry-pi-the-easy-way/
[21:26] <N3o> yes, that too
[21:26] <N3o> but used my own built kernel
[21:27] <N3o> instead of the provided one
[21:27] <N3o> in that page
[21:27] <ShiftPlusOne> N3o, well, you can use your own kernel with those instructions. You missed a step.
[21:27] <ShiftPlusOne> N3o, namely this one http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=37386
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[21:27] <N3o> oh yea
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[21:28] <N3o> UPDATE (17th of March, 2013): In order to run the latest image (2013-02-09-wheezy-raspbian.img) you need to comment out the contents of /etc/ld.so.preload. - kinsa
[21:28] <N3o> :)
[21:28] * N3o is blind
[21:28] <nerdboy> devslash: looks like newegg is out of stock on that stuff, so forget that for now
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[21:29] <devslash> i don't buy from them anyways. i buy all my stuff from amazon
[21:29] <nerdboy> anything with 5V usb at 1 - 2 amps should work fine
[21:29] <linuxstb> djazz: Analogue audio, or hdmi?
[21:29] <ShiftPlusOne> N3o, let me know if you run into other problems so that I can fix that page up if there's anything wrong.
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[21:30] <N3o> oooh, you're the author! nice to meet you :) and thanks for those pages, really-really helped!
[21:30] <nerdboy> if it will charge a tablet at 5V, it will run the pi
[21:30] <djazz> linuxstb: analogue
[21:30] <linuxstb> djazz: That's just how the Pi is...
[21:30] <N3o> btw, I've mounted the .img, seen no /etc/ld.so.preload, I'm guessing that's referring to the host now...
[21:30] <ShiftPlusOne> N3o, Not a problem. I refer to them every time I compile a kernel myself >.>
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[21:31] <ShiftPlusOne> N3o, no, don't touch the host files, it should be on the img.
[21:31] <djazz> linuxstb: hm? it was flaless up until today
[21:31] <djazz> flawless
[21:31] <djazz> the analogue
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[21:31] <djazz> see the latest comments: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/omxplayer-git/
[21:32] <linuxstb> djazz: OK, then I take that back. I've always read that the analogue audio sounded horrendous, but never tried it.
[21:32] <djazz> it works great
[21:32] <djazz> usually
[21:32] <ShiftPlusOne> N3o, are you sure you're not mounting the first partition rather than the second one?
[21:32] <N3o> found it, had a typo for the first try
[21:33] <N3o> :)
[21:33] <ShiftPlusOne> ah
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[21:34] <devslash> guys, is it possible to plug my raspberry pi into my phone and have it appear on my phone as a mass storage device ? my phone is an android
[21:34] <nerdboy> depends on your kernel mostly
[21:34] <ShiftPlusOne> devslash, nope, it doesn't work that way. But you can transfer files over ssh or samba for example.
[21:34] <devslash> on my pi ?
[21:35] <devslash> i want to explore options to make my pi portable
[21:35] <nerdboy> you need otg support enabled along with an appropriate config
[21:35] <djazz> linuxstb: just testing playing the same file with mplayer, no audio issues
[21:35] <djazz> (mp3 file)
[21:35] <ShiftPlusOne> nerdboy, are you 100% sure about this?
[21:35] <devslash> otg ?
[21:35] <N3o> ShiftPlusOne: success! http://i.imgur.com/M8wFgMc.png
[21:35] <nerdboy> ShiftPlusOne: you should be able to make it do the host/device thing
[21:35] <N3o> thank you once again! :)
[21:35] <devslash> i don't know what that is
[21:36] <nerdboy> read the kernel stuff on otg
[21:36] <ShiftPlusOne> N3o, yay, np.
[21:36] <nerdboy> it switches from usb host to usb device
[21:36] <ShiftPlusOne> nerdboy, because of the hub/ethernet chip, it can only work in host mode. Even on model A, I don't think people have figure out how to get it into device mode yet.
[21:37] <ShiftPlusOne> (correct me if I am wrong, but that discussion crops up here quite often)
[21:37] <nerdboy> i thought one port of the usb stack was intended for that
[21:37] <nerdboy> the top one i think
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[21:37] <devslash> i was thinking of getting a wifi adapter that doesn't require power and streaming over wifi
[21:38] <djazz> linuxstb: I'll try rpi-update
[21:38] <nerdboy> maybe i should play with that after wifi/bluetooth...
[21:38] <ShiftPlusOne> hm =/ doesn't sound right to me, but if he can get it working, that would be great.
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[21:40] <Alezaru> im back
[21:40] <Alezaru> it works
[21:40] <Alezaru> but now at my home how can know lan raspberry ip ?
[21:41] <Alezaru> (i activated ssh)
[21:41] <djazz> derp, did rpi-update. now it wont boot :'(
[21:41] <djazz> some vchiq messages
[21:43] <djazz> :/
[21:43] <Alezaru> ok just my laptop lan ip +1
[21:43] <nerdboy> rebuilding image with some bluez stuff...
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[21:44] <Alezaru> (laptop: so raspberry are in
[21:44] <Alezaru> all its ok it works.
[21:45] <JakeSays> Ricksl: hey does this look right? http://imgur.com/xd3FGav - it should get me from 5v to 3.333v +-5%
[21:46] <djazz> can anyone help me with this boot error? http://djazz.mine.nu:1337/
[21:46] <djazz> oops
[21:46] <djazz> stupid copy paste
[21:46] <djazz> http://i.imgur.com/zV5ewJy.jpg
[21:46] <djazz> ^
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[21:50] <Ricksl> sorry was afk
[21:50] <Ricksl> let me look jakesays
[21:52] <Ricksl> yeah something like that, and I think you need to connect their grounds
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[21:53] <JakeSays> Ricksl: wouldn't one side connect to ground and one to Vdd?
[21:53] <BoomerET> Yay, mailman just dropped off my (proper name? Pi, raspi?)
[21:53] <Ben64> pi works
[21:53] <Mortvert> whichever you want, BoomerET
[21:53] <Ricksl> refresh my memory vdd is the 0v on the hw board right?
[21:53] <JakeSays> Ricksl: i think Vss is 0v
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[21:55] <BoomerET> Ok, extended rootfs, changed timezone and locale, now rebooting
[21:55] <BoomerET> Hooked up powered USB, plugged in keyboard & mouse. I'm so excited.
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[21:56] <nerdboy> the easiest way to resize partitions/filesystems is probably goarted on your desktop
[21:56] <nerdboy> *gparted even
[21:56] <BoomerET> It's already done
[21:57] <BoomerET> Now I need to google username/password (sitting at login:)
[21:57] <BoomerET> Hmm, I typed in pi and it didn't ask for PW
[21:57] <nerdboy> going from 600MB to 32GB can take a while on certain card readers...
[21:57] <JakeSays> Rootert: it doesnt have a pwd, iirc
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[21:59] <Mortvert> nerdboy, if expanding fs takes a while on a card reader, the reader is shit
[21:59] <BoomerET> I typed in pi, and the screen is just scrolling and scrolling and scrolling showing login:
[21:59] <Ricksl> I think this is right, http://imgur.com/fqgdhAl
[22:00] <JakeSays> Ricksl: awesome! thanks :) i'll give it a try
[22:01] <Alezaru> djazz what is this app ?
[22:01] <BoomerET> Seems my keyboard is bouncing characters, oh man.
[22:01] <Alezaru> djazz.mine.nu
[22:01] <Ricksl> test with a multimeter first across the pins that would go to the pi
[22:01] <Alezaru> and why u use php if u use node.js ? im curious ^^
[22:02] <JakeSays> eh, i dont have a multimeter yet :(
[22:02] <Ricksl> if you see around 3 volts when you toggle the pin on the homework board you are golden
[22:02] <Alezaru> last tip : dont link ur admin panel ;)
[22:02] <Ricksl> un·ac·cept·a·ble jakesays
[22:03] <Ricksl> im just messing, do you need one, I have spares
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[22:03] <Ricksl> Well were do you live. It might cost more than it is worth to ship it overseas.
[22:03] <JakeSays> Ricksl: lol yeah it is. i'll rectify that soon enough
[22:03] <JakeSays> i'm in utah, usa
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[22:04] <Ben64> i got my multimeter for $10
[22:04] <Ben64> doesn't do capacitance though
[22:04] <Ricksl> Well, I might be able to send one then if you want, I mean they don't cost much but as a gift from one tinkerer to another
[22:05] <Ben64> they're so handy.... fixing houses, fixing cars, fixing electronics
[22:05] <JakeSays> Ricksl: appreciate the offer, but my birthday is coming up, and that would be a perfect thing for my wife to get me :)
[22:05] <BoomerET> Crazy, it was the powered USB hub that was causing me this grief
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[22:05] <Ricksl> I built an analouge one from a kit from a company that doesn't exist anymore, works amazing.
[22:05] <Ben64> and if you do lots of fixing houses, get a non contact AC detector
[22:05] <JakeSays> Ricksl: heathkit?
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[22:06] <Ricksl> greymark
[22:06] <Ben64> BoomerET: power is the biggest problem with the pi
[22:06] <JakeSays> ah. never heard of them. i did a lot of heathkit projects back in the day
[22:06] <Ben64> i use the best adapter i could find, and the shortest thickest micro usb
[22:06] <Ricksl> it was more obscure than heathkit, and some construction company owns the name now.
[22:08] <djazz> Alezaru: i use php so you can use it on any webserver with support for php
[22:08] <djazz> the nodejs part is just for changing songs
[22:08] <djazz> (it picks a new song when the other ends)
[22:09] <JakeSays> i want a gertboard.. bad.
[22:09] <Ricksl> They are a bit pricey, but the support that they have software wise is pretty good
[22:09] <JakeSays> i like the idea of having an arduino 'co-processor'
[22:10] <Ricksl> Its more of a slave than co processor
[22:10] <JakeSays> no idea what i'd do with it, but it sounds cool
[22:10] <Ricksl> it can sync more current than the pi pins, and they have the hudge advantage of precise timing
[22:11] <JakeSays> i'd also like to figure out how to use one of these old iphones i have laying around as a display
[22:12] <Ricksl> That much I might be able to help you with.
[22:12] <djazz> anyone know how to fix this boot error? http://i.imgur.com/zV5ewJy.jpg
[22:12] <Ricksl> You could do vnc, or were you talking a native display
[22:12] <JakeSays> Ricksl: well, vnc would do, but native would be a lot more fun
[22:13] <Ricksl> It would be harder, though, you could find a driver board that has an hdmi connection, those are like unobtanium though if they even exist.
[22:14] <Ricksl> or for the daring, you could try, try being the key word, to interface using the gpio pins and some extra circuitry.
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[22:17] <JakeSays> i vaguely remember reading somewhere the 3gs lcd has the same type of connector as the pi's display connector
[22:17] <JakeSays> cant remember what its called tho
[22:17] <Ricksl> dsi?
[22:18] <JakeSays> yeah that sounds right
[22:18] <BoomerET> Ok, it wasn't my powered USB hub, it was the keyboard, because I just hooked up my ancient PS2 Linux kit keyboard and mouse and it's working famously.
[22:18] <Ricksl> display serial interface or something
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[22:18] <BoomerET> Now I can't wait to get BrickPi and play with Mindstorms w/ Pi!!!
[22:18] <Ricksl> I don't think the firmware to interface with the dsi port is in the wild yet.
[22:18] <JakeSays> yeah
[22:19] <Ricksl> Glad to hear it boomer
[22:20] <JakeSays> ok next step is to get this old wifi usb dongle working
[22:20] <JakeSays> which will require this old usb hub
[22:20] <Ricksl> So what is your ultimate goal jake? out of curiosity
[22:20] * JakeSays has LOTS of old junk
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[22:21] <BoomerET> Oh my gosh, Jake, i have an old one floating around here too.
[22:21] * BoomerET goes to look
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[22:22] <JakeSays> Ricksl: a few years ago i built a no-kill mouse trap using the basic stamp and a servo motor. i want to add a pi and a webcam to it.
[22:22] <djazz> just installed raspbian, did the raspi-config stuff and rebooted. it crashes after "Entering kbd" with "oops" as error
[22:23] <djazz> i get a "more>" prompt
[22:23] <djazz> but i cant type in it
[22:23] <Ricksl> Neat, so just catch the mouse and have a videostream of it slowly starving in it's cage.
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[22:24] <JakeSays> lol yes, but w/o the starving part
[22:24] <Alezaru> ok djazz and no sry cannot help u :/
[22:25] <djazz> i wonder why the raspbian image hasnt been updated since february
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[22:26] <Ricksl> Word of warning, I haven't gotten videostreaming to work yet, If you use a webcam you would be better off having it take pictures on certain intervals.
[22:26] <Ricksl> I think the pi camera module works okay for videostream and capture since it can use the encoder on the gpu.
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[22:27] <djazz> is there a way to use the pi camera to stream to multiple viewers on the internet?
[22:27] <JakeSays> Ricksl: yeah pictures would be fine
[22:27] <JakeSays> hmm. plugged in the hub and the pi rebooted
[22:27] <djazz> encode to mp4 on the fly?
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[22:29] <Ricksl> Someone has probably made a software package that lets you do that.
[22:29] <Skindred> vlc or ffmpeg or mplayer ?
[22:29] <Skindred> if any of them can take the pi camera as an input, I'm sure it can generate a strea
[22:29] <Skindred> m
[22:29] <djazz> also, would be great to stream to twitch.tv or similar
[22:29] <Ricksl> jake, that could be caused by a poor power supply, the sudden surge of plugging in the usb hub could have been too much for it
[22:30] <Skindred> sounds like a power drain indeed
[22:30] <djazz> I can do that with avconv/ffmpeg
[22:30] <JakeSays> i'm using a 1A ipad power block
[22:30] <Skindred> try using a powered usb hub
[22:30] <linuxstb> djazz: Someone posted this command-line in this channel a few days ago: raspivid -t 999999 -h 480 -w 640 -fps 25 -b 2000000 -o - | gst-launch-1.0 fdsrc ! h264parse ! rtph264pay pt=96 name=pay0 ! udpsink host=xxx.xx.xxx.xxx port=5000
[22:30] <djazz> cool
[22:30] <BoomerET> Jake, did you get the USB wireless working?
[22:30] <Skindred> JakeSays those are meant for charging, so they will give a steady stream, but it's not meant for the peaks
[22:30] <JakeSays> Skindred: it is powered.
[22:31] <Skindred> ow ok
[22:31] <Skindred> weird
[22:31] <Skindred> kernel panic?
[22:31] <JakeSays> BoomerET: in progress
[22:31] <ozzzy> http://goo.gl/XwVWA <-- good price
[22:31] <Ben64> JakeSays: is it an actual apple one, or a knockoff
[22:31] <JakeSays> Skindred: nope. just rebooted. my guess is it was because i plugged in the hub before i plugged in the power to the hub
[22:31] <djazz> i'll try it when I get the camera, hopefully on monday :)
[22:31] <JakeSays> Ben64: apple - its from my ipad
[22:31] * ozzzy has usbip working on the pi and on his desktop
[22:32] <Ricksl> that would do it jake
[22:32] <Ben64> JakeSays: well those are some of the best adapters around
[22:32] <Skindred> lol ok jake, it tried to drain the pi for power then :)
[22:32] <Skindred> were the devices already attached to the hub?
[22:33] <JakeSays> Ben64: well good - finally found a use for some of my old apple equipment. lol
[22:33] <JakeSays> Skindred: no
[22:33] <BoomerET> In lsusb, I see an r8712u listed, I take it that's the wifi usb adapter I plugged in?
[22:33] <djazz> whats the easiest way to run a command as early as possible in the raspbian boot?
[22:33] <djazz> I want to run omxplayer to show a boot animation
[22:33] <Ben64> JakeSays: yeah, as much as i dislike apple, they make good usb power adapters :)
[22:33] <Ricksl> Most usb hubs have capacitors in them to handle surges, that initial plug into your pie charged the caps in the hub but coincidentally caused a surge in your pi and made it shutoff
[22:33] <djazz> I know how to do it in arch, but not raspbian
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[22:34] <Ricksl> Long story short, anything that powers other things will surge when it is first plugged in
[22:35] <Skindred> ozzzy usbip is very cool :)
[22:35] <ozzzy> Skindred: it is indeed
[22:36] <Skindred> I compiled my own version a year or so ago on my OpenWRT router
[22:36] <Ricksl> Someone needs to point me to a tutorial for usbip
[22:36] <Skindred> hmm, I don't have one, it's all from memory now
[22:36] <JakeSays> woo! lsusb shows the hub and the wifi adapter
[22:36] <Skindred> say ozzzy have the windows drivers gotten more stable yet?
[22:36] <JakeSays> what is usbip?
[22:36] <Ricksl> it allows usb ports to be forwarded over an ip stack
[22:36] <Skindred> it emulates a usbhub, over IP
[22:36] <JakeSays> ah cool
[22:37] <JakeSays> very cool
[22:37] <Skindred> so you can plug your usb stick into a router or pi
[22:37] <Skindred> and attach it via IP to your laptop
[22:37] <Ricksl> I like this example http://shackspace.de/?p=3859 might be nsfw
[22:37] <Skindred> only good for slow devices, but a printer or scanner are good purposes
[22:38] <Skindred> although anything you buy now has IP connectivity
[22:38] <Ricksl> they use a rpi as a thin client to controll a laser cutter that is windows only
[22:38] <Skindred> but a smartcard reader for your DVB-S viewing is a good purpose
[22:38] <Skindred> Used to do that when I still had a dish and subscription
[22:39] <Skindred> beats any off those SmartWi products, hands down
[22:39] <Ricksl> Those guys at shackspace must lead an interesting life, the first thing they laser engraved was a no fu*king sign
[22:40] <JakeSays> hmm. ok so ifconfig shows wlan0, but it doesnt have an ip address assigned
[22:40] <ozzzy> Below both sides of the power module of the positive and negative FIG connected together, connected only to side, on both sides, respectively, of the two independent channels, can be used, the arrows indicate the flow of signals, input description is inwardly, outwardly Description output close to the character side of RS232 to RS232 level the close to TTL characters end to TTL level <--- Does anyone recognize what language this is
[22:40] <JakeSays> ozzzy: looks like english to me :p
[22:41] <Skindred> Ricksl awesome link!
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[22:42] <Skindred> also; crazy enthousiastic germans :)
[22:42] <Ricksl> I have been meaning to setup something similar to that at my dorm when I go back to school
[22:42] <ozzzy> JakeSays: it looks like english... but it's not getting any signal across
[22:43] <Ricksl> ozzzy I understand all the terminolgy but it doesn't make sense, I think it might have been translated
[22:44] <BoomerET> Yay, got the wifi working, amazing.
[22:44] <JakeSays> BoomerET: ya beat me to it!
[22:44] <BoomerET> (Ok, so I didn't have to do anything, it just worked)
[22:45] <BoomerET> This thing has been sitting in my ham radio junk tub for a couple years.
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[22:48] <harris> ohla
[22:49] <Ricksl> Hey there.
[22:49] * BoomerET waves
[22:49] <BoomerET> Ok, so what next.
[22:49] * BoomerET goes on a search.
[22:53] <BoomerET> Anyone tried plugging in PS3 camera?
[22:53] * BoomerET goes to grab camera
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[22:55] <BoomerET> Well, it shows up on lsusb
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[22:57] <Ricksl> There are some open source drivers I think
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[22:59] <BoomerET> Cool, found links even, sweeeet.
[23:00] <JakeSays> woo! wireless up!
[23:00] <Ricksl> Congrats
[23:00] <JakeSays> ok now for the webcam
[23:00] <JakeSays> i'd like to use the one built in to my laptop
[23:00] <johnc-> JakeSays: stop following me around!
[23:01] <JakeSays> johnc-: LOL no way - you followed me!
[23:01] <djazz> eehm why does xorg run much better in raspbian than in arch?
[23:02] <BoomerET> Hmm, can't even install ffmpeg w/ apt-get, getting 404's ;(
[23:02] <djazz> its actually usable!
[23:02] <BoomerET> Trying apt-get update
[23:02] <ShiftPlusOne> djazz, optimized memcpy
[23:02] <djazz> hm?
[23:02] <ShiftPlusOne> just a sec, I'll find the link
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[23:03] <ShiftPlusOne> djazz, https://github.com/simonjhall/copies-and-fills
[23:03] <djazz> aha
[23:03] <ShiftPlusOne> I am not sure if that's all, but that's one of the things that raspbian does to speed things up.
[23:03] <djazz> arch dont have this?
[23:03] <djazz> k
[23:03] <JakeSays> hmm. i have a macbook. wonder if i could use its cam
[23:04] <djazz> I'm trying Awesome window manager
[23:04] <djazz> its super fast
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[23:05] <ShiftPlusOne> djazz, let me know if it helps, because I am not 100% sure.
[23:05] <djazz> only bad thing about raspbian is the slow boot, init.d, and apt
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[23:06] <JakeSays> anyone tried pidora yet?
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[23:07] <Ricksl> hope it is nothing like the last fedora pi remix
[23:07] <djazz> ShiftPlusOne: you know how I can try out weston and wayland?
[23:08] <Ricksl> I don't know what they did but man did it not work
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[23:08] <Mogwai> JakeSays: You can use the cam on the macbook as an input video feed to Motion, if that interests you
[23:08] <ShiftPlusOne> djazz, on raspbian or arch?
[23:09] <JakeSays> Mogwai: i need to tear the mac apart to get the cam out first
[23:09] <djazz> ShiftPlusOne: raspbian
[23:09] <djazz> the blog only shows how to install, not run
[23:09] <ShiftPlusOne> djazz, http://raspberrypi.collabora.com/
[23:09] <djazz> and I have no idea how to install it on arch
[23:09] <JakeSays> Mogwai: and what is motion?
[23:10] <djazz> "GPG error: http://raspberrypi.collabora.com wheezy Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available"
[23:10] <Ricksl> and would using weston speed up x11 applications, I tried using open ttd in x and it sucked
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[23:10] <Mogwai> JakeSays: Haha, I thought you meant for streaming purposes .. I think it'll be tricky to physically hook up an internal isight to the Pi .. but I could be wrong
[23:10] <ShiftPlusOne> djazz, I think there's a flag you can give apt-get to skip that. Check -h.
[23:11] <djazz> I was able to install it
[23:11] <JakeSays> Mogwai: i'm hoping its a usb camera
[23:11] <djazz> but it warned me
[23:11] <djazz> WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!
[23:11] <ShiftPlusOne> Ah, meh.
[23:12] <djazz> "fatal: enviroment variable XDG_RUNTIME_DIR is not set"
[23:12] <ShiftPlusOne> I haven't tried it myself, so no idea.
[23:12] <djazz> ok
[23:13] <djazz> i had to make a tmp dir
[23:13] <djazz> Weston is running!
[23:13] <ShiftPlusOne> just set the env variable to some dir... yeah that
[23:13] <djazz> looks good
[23:14] <djazz> resizing is slow
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[23:14] <djazz> screen turned black for a sec
[23:14] <djazz> ok, flickering
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[23:16] <Mogwai> djazz: Try these: http://www.chaosreigns.com/wayland/weston/ .. you have exposay effect on windows key .. the zoom is also nice
[23:17] <djazz> crashed
[23:17] <Mogwai> *doh* :)
[23:17] <djazz> it was a funny crash
[23:17] <djazz> the terminal windows were above the regular console
[23:17] <djazz> only the desktop wallpaper was gone
[23:17] <djazz> xD
[23:17] <djazz> black screen
[23:17] <djazz> hotkey for closing?
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[23:18] <Mogwai> djazz: ctrl + alt + backspace
[23:18] <djazz> nvm
[23:18] <djazz> ye
[23:18] <djazz> i tried to open too many terminals
[23:18] <djazz> how do i zoom?
[23:19] <Mogwai> djazz: Windows + mouse scroll
[23:19] <djazz> that crashed
[23:19] <gordonDrogon> running commentary on a wayland install ?
[23:19] <djazz> :D
[23:19] <djazz> maybe i should run on default clocking
[23:20] <djazz> this is awesome
[23:20] <djazz> whats the other icon in the panel?
[23:20] <Mogwai> djazz: and I think it's meant to be run with gpu_mem=128 and dispmanx_offline=1 in /boot/config.txt
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[23:20] <djazz> dispmanx?
[23:22] <djazz> ah
[23:22] <Mogwai> djazz: http://wayland.freedesktop.org/raspberrypi.html .. under "Monitor or TV goes blank, loses signal, etc."
[23:25] <djazz> better :)
[23:26] <djazz> with too many windows + zoom = no wallpaper
[23:26] <djazz> i can see my regular console below :D
[23:27] <djazz> i wonder if the weston and wayland packages in arch for pi works
[23:27] <djazz> i forgot to try that :/
[23:28] <Ricksl> if it works let me know
[23:28] <djazz> also, raspbian crashes in boot if i try turbo
[23:28] <djazz> arch dont
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[23:32] <JakeSays> hmm. i dont have any female plugs for the gpio pins
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[23:35] <gordonDrogon> an old floppy cable was favourite in the early days :)
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[23:38] <JakeSays> gordonDrogon: heh. just found an old ide cable
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[23:39] <JakeSays> ah those front panel wires in cpu cases would work too
[23:40] <gordonDrogon> good luck :)
[23:40] <gordonDrogon> zed time here!
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[23:42] <haryv> I am looking at a open source cctv option for the pi and want to know if anyone here has done some testing? Was looking at having a remote camera,board,storage in the same camera housing.
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[23:46] <Mogwai> haryv: Yup, software called Motion plus several camera feeds makes a decent cctv solution
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[23:49] <haryv> or opencv. I do not want to filter though hours of cars driving by....but people standing on the sidewalk.
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[23:50] <haryv> opencv may be able to differentiate car movment, vs people loitering and involved in drug activity
[23:51] <Mogwai> Uh yeah, sure .. they have that crack glow :)
[23:53] <haryv> the transactions take about 5-15 seconds
[23:53] <haryv> or less
[23:54] <haryv> if prepayment has been made, then no need to exchange cash, just drop off the drug to the guy and he walks back in the opposite direction from where he came from.
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