#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2013-05-26

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[0:14] <freakqnc> Hi everyone :) If you have time for a quick answer here is my question: "How can one disable dynamic clocking, but keep the overclocking as Medium (900MHz)?"
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[0:15] <freakqnc> I have my Pi configured as Medium and has run stable. It runs PHP, MYSQL, Apache2 and webIOPi to create a login portal with access to a page where GPIO can be triggered on and off.
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[0:18] <freakqnc> The problem is that the responsiveness is slow to a crawl initially and picks up after a bout 30 sec of continue use, which is continuing to trigger on and off the GPIO. After the first unresponsiveness the commands start to get executed as expected... click on a ON button in my UI and the GPIO goes High, click the OFF button and the GPIO goes low.
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[0:18] <JakeSays> so can a pi powered off of a powered usb hub? i seem to recall someone saying it works
[0:18] <freakqnc> The problem with these delays though make the system not usable as it needs to be "primed" to become responsive
[0:19] <Tachyon`> it can be powered from a hub, yes
[0:19] <freakqnc> Yes you can do so...
[0:19] <freakqnc> Jake
[0:19] <JakeSays> excellent!
[0:19] <freakqnc> You can use a USB cable to the micro USB on the pi
[0:19] <freakqnc> as long as providing more than 750mA you'll be good
[0:20] <ozzzy> some hubs don't activate a port until they detect something on it
[0:20] <Tachyon`> you can power it via the USB ports itself, a cable is not required
[0:20] <ozzzy> and a hub can't provide more than 500mA
[0:20] <JakeSays> Tachyon`: thats what i was taking about
[0:20] <Tachyon`> it shouldn't provide more than 500mA
[0:20] <Tachyon`> in most cases they do
[0:20] <Tachyon`> standards are for ignoring, ask Microsoft (or IBM)
[0:20] <ozzzy> my two hubs will shut down the port on overcurrent
[0:21] <Mogwai> freakqnc: As for your question, you need to change the cpufreq governor from ondemand to performance for it to stay at a certain frequency at all times
[0:21] <ozzzy> different makers
[0:21] <freakqnc> My hub provides more than 500 mA so I guess isn't standard
[0:21] <Tachyon`> and if he was wanting to power it via a USB port on a hub you'd have a point, but he isn't so you don't
[0:22] <Tachyon`> yeah, I'd imagine the more expensive ones actually do negotiate the current as the spec demands but mine never have, heh
[0:22] <freakqnc> Mogwai: you mean set arm_freq?
[0:22] <JakeSays> hmm. according to the specs for my hub, it only supplies 500ma/port :(
[0:23] <freakqnc> I changed the values and have
[0:23] <freakqnc> #uncomment to overclock the arm. 700 MHz is the default.
[0:23] <freakqnc> arm_freq=900
[0:23] <freakqnc> # for more options see http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt
[0:23] <freakqnc> gpu_mem=64
[0:23] <freakqnc> core_freq=250
[0:23] <freakqnc> sdram_freq=450
[0:23] <freakqnc> over_voltage=2
[0:23] <freakqnc> yet the dynamic overclocking causes the unresponsiveness
[0:24] <Mogwai> freakqnc: Yeah, you set arm_freq to whatever you want .. then do ' echo "performance" > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor ' to keep it at 900
[0:24] <freakqnc> Mogwai: I have not seen any info on cpufreq governor on this page: http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt
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[0:25] <freakqnc> Does echo "performance" goes into config.txt as a "directive"?
[0:25] <freakqnc> or is a command?
[0:25] <Tachyon`> no, it goes into your commandline, as root
[0:25] <Mogwai> freakqnc: Put it in /etc/rc.local for example
[0:25] <Tachyon`> well, or that
[0:26] <freakqnc> I see so that should keep it steady with no need to turbo anything (which I'd like to avoid)
[0:26] <ozzzy> I like the cpu to scale in case of overtemp
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[0:26] <freakqnc> where is rc.local located on the sd card?
[0:26] <ozzzy> in /etc
[0:27] <Tachyon`> it's not in the fat partition
[0:27] <Tachyon`> it's part of the root filesystem
[0:27] <freakqnc> Then I'll have to connect the pi to do those operation on it...
[0:27] <Tachyon`> or mount it in a real operating system, aye
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[0:30] <freakqnc> OK got it connected and booting :)
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[0:33] <freakqnc> Ok I am in...
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[0:34] <freakqnc> so should I put: echo "performance" > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor in the rc.local?
[0:34] <freakqnc> and then reboot?
[0:35] <Mogwai> freakqnc: Yup .. then you can veirfy with "cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/cpuinfo_cur_freq" that it's at 900
[0:35] <freakqnc> the rc.local contains only some code to print the IP address.
[0:35] <Mogwai> freakqnc: Yeah, put it just above the exit 0
[0:36] <freakqnc> Oh... ok thanks for the info... I had it below exit 0 as a total noob I am :|
[0:42] <freakqnc> Thanks for your help Mogwai and Tachyon`
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[0:42] <Mogwai> freakqnc: np, would be interesting to know if it actually helps your problem
[0:43] <freakqnc> that seems to work great... I wonder why isn't included in the documentation of the elinux page I mentioned :)
[0:43] <ShiftPlusOne> Anyone here been to the melbourne hackerspace in hawthorn by any chance?
[0:43] <freakqnc> I am shutting down the pi reconnecting it to its rig (TP link router standalone)
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[0:43] <freakqnc> testing right now responsiveness...
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[0:48] <zproc> what happened to the Official Android built by Broadcom?
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[0:49] <freakqnc> tested responsiveness... nothing changed :( lag is still there
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[0:52] <freakqnc> I guess that's how it will be with r-pi and webIOPi used with wireless (which is the 99% of cases where makes sense to use it) no way around it at this time but thanks for your help so much... I learned something new! :)
[0:53] <freakqnc> Now onto more r-pi experimenting! Cheers everyone!
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[1:15] <taqutor> Haha.
[1:15] <taqutor> After deciding to purchase a pi a couple of days ago
[1:15] <taqutor> I've spent every waking hours doing this
[1:15] <taqutor> I now own three of them
[1:15] <taqutor> and spent my entire paycheck on electronics
[1:16] <taqutor> :P
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[1:19] <iam8up> does anyone here have retropie? when i start emulationstation it goes to the apple ii screen and the only thing i can do is open the menu (reboot/shutdown/reload/exit - reload does nothing?)
[1:19] <JakeSays> what causes the ACT light to flash?
[1:19] <iam8up> how do i switch to nes/snes?
[1:19] <iam8up> activity...
[1:19] <JakeSays> iam8up: yeah, but what defines activity?
[1:20] <iam8up> disk io
[1:20] <JakeSays> ah ok
[1:21] <Mogwai> iam8up: I think left and right is supposed to switch between systems
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[1:22] <Mogwai> iam8up: Oh, and you have to put some ROMs in the right place obviously, or nothing will show up
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[1:26] <iam8up> Mogwai, i put a ton of roms in the proper folders
[1:27] <Hopsy> stupid question from here, but should I remove the plastic thing in front of the lens raspberry camera
[1:27] <iam8up> i did the ES-scraper and it found boxart for them (took a good 2 hours doing it)
[1:27] <iam8up> no...it's a cover
[1:27] <iam8up> if it's a hard plastic cover...no...
[1:27] <Hopsy> aha
[1:27] <iam8up> if it's the sheet plastic that covers scratches you do
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[1:27] <Hopsy> thanks
[1:27] <iam8up> but typically cameras do that to protect the fragile lens
[1:28] <Hopsy> buttt
[1:28] <Hopsy> my images are so blury
[1:28] <iam8up> can you take a picture of the camera (not with the camera)?
[1:28] <Hopsy> yes
[1:29] <Hopsy> http://puu.sh/319BW/e5d8c09c33.jpg
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[1:29] <Hopsy> @ iam8up
[1:30] <ozzzy> he camera may come with a small piece of translucent blue plastic film covering the lens.
[1:30] <Hopsy> green?
[1:30] <ozzzy> says blue... [shrug]
[1:30] <ozzzy> looks like a tab you pull there
[1:30] <hydroxygen> thats a free enhancer
[1:30] <ozzzy> tab may be green... film may be blue
[1:31] <Hopsy> this thing?
[1:31] <Hopsy> http://puu.sh/319Gt/4f722390d4.jpg
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[1:31] <iam8up> that looks like a ribbon cable...not a camera
[1:31] <Bushmills> grin
[1:32] <iam8up> ya that green tab comes off Hopsy
[1:32] <iam8up> it's like when you get a new cell phone...that plastic protects it from scratches
[1:33] <Hopsy> okay, I will pull it off then
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[1:35] <[Saint]> Noooooooo! That's the free 1940s gas mask filter, what have you done! :P
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[1:35] * [Saint] notes that images taken through that film look ace
[1:36] <Hopsy> lol
[1:37] <Hopsy> bleeh http://puu.sh/319Rj/a78c4be714.jpg
[1:37] <Hopsy> i dont like the quality :p
[1:37] <iam8up> out of focus
[1:37] <JakeSays> Hopsy: looks like you were too close
[1:38] <taqutor> Anyone know if there are USB projector drivers available for the Pi?
[1:38] <[Saint]> Or didn't give autofocus enough time to get a fix.
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[1:39] <[Saint]> ...coupled with being way too close :)
[1:40] <[Saint]> Awwwwwwwwwwww. Well, I kinda expected it, but, Android doesn't seem to have any idea that the camera module exists.
[1:40] <[Saint]> Bums.
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[1:41] * [Saint] starts sending telepathic death-rays to the folks at Broadcomm
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[1:41] <iam8up> well thats mean
[1:42] <[Saint]> Yep.
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[1:42] <[Saint]> Broadcomm has gotten in between running a decent Android version on <insert_device_here> *faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar* too many times.
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[1:43] <[Saint]> With the other projects, bar one, I don't really care. But with the raspi we got to see them rub it in our faces that they have an almost 100% functional 4.2.1 image...and, have no intention of sharing for the near future.
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[1:44] <[Saint]> Now...*that* is mean. ;)
[1:44] <iam8up> piss on em
[1:44] <iam8up> if they don't want in the market someone else will
[1:45] <[Saint]> Yeah, it doesn't work like that. They are very firmly inserted in the market already.
[1:45] <JakeSays> does the stock raspian install come with the kernel patched to support gpio interrupts?
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[1:46] <JakeSays> [Saint]: i wouldn't think getting android on the pi would be all that difficult
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[1:46] <iam8up> isn't the cpu/gpu arm?
[1:46] <iam8up> er atheros
[1:47] <[Saint]> JakeSays: Try doing that with completely closed source videocore binaries...
[1:47] <[Saint]> "all that difficult" doesn't even cut it.
[1:47] <[Saint]> It is basically impossible.
[1:47] <[Saint]> It is either: Help from Broadcomm, or, literally thousands of man hours or reverse engineering.
[1:48] <[Saint]> *of reverse
[1:48] <[Saint]> And Broadcomm have little to no intention of coming to the party...yet.
[1:49] <[Saint]> Sure, you *can* run Android on the raspi...but without the GPU, there's pretty much no point. It runs so badly it isn't worth it.
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[1:50] <ozzzy> Naren has been working on a port of Android 4.0 (Ice Cream Sandwich) to Raspberry Pi, and as you can see from the screenshots and video below, he’s been making great progress. Hardware-accelerated graphics and video have been up and running smoothly for some time; AudioFlinger support is the only major missing piece at the moment
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[1:50] <[Saint]> Gingerbread runs "ok" if you like waiting a few seconds for simple transitions and app loading. ICS+ is pretty much unusable.
[1:50] <ShiftPlusOne> How does android normally talk to the gpu?
[1:51] <[Saint]> No idea. Too low level for me.
[1:51] <MickFann> ShiftPlusOne straight OpenGL
[1:51] <MickFann> no X11
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[1:51] <ShiftPlusOne> ES?
[1:51] <[Saint]> We usually just stole the already functional binaries out of another ROM so we didn't have to do much/any work.
[1:52] <MickFann> yep
[1:52] <zproc> [Saint]: hah, i was asking earlier what happened to the offficial android built by broadcomm…. so they're just sitting on it?
[1:52] <[Saint]> Yep.
[1:52] <ShiftPlusOne> So why doesn't the gles interface they provide work?
[1:52] <zproc> damn :/
[1:52] <adnap1> hey has anyone used pidora yet? I'm running it headless but don't see the root pw published anywhere, which means i'm unable to login
[1:53] <[Saint]> adnap1: this came up[ the other day. It is clearly printed in the wiki.
[1:53] <[Saint]> "root" "raspberrypi"
[1:53] <nid0> adnap1: first result on google suggests its raspberrypi
[1:54] <iam8up> root?
[1:54] <adnap1> hmmm... I tried that one earlier, may have fat fingered it
[1:54] <iam8up> is pidora not debian?
[1:54] <adnap1> yep, for root
[1:54] <nid0> iam8up: no
[1:54] <adnap1> yep pidora
[1:54] <ShiftPlusOne> iam8up, fedora.... hence pidora...
[1:54] <nid0> as the name suggests, its fedora
[1:54] <iam8up> ooh i get it
[1:54] <iam8up> i was thinking pandora
[1:54] <ShiftPlusOne> see what they did there?
[1:54] <[Saint]> lol
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[1:57] <JakeSays> i didnt think there was a pwd for root
[1:57] <[Saint]> ....in totally insecure land, perhaps.
[1:57] * [Saint] does not want to visit that land
[1:57] <JakeSays> [Saint]: i thought broadcomm opensourced the gpu drivers
[1:57] <nid0> whut?
[1:57] <nid0> the land of no password for root is the land where root is disabled
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[1:57] <[Saint]> JakeSays: No, the open sources a basic shim to pass instruction to it. Quite different.
[1:58] <[Saint]> *they
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[1:59] <JakeSays> [Saint]: um, no, i dont believe that is correct.
[1:59] <ShiftPlusOne> JakeSays, it is.
[1:59] <[Saint]> thank you, ShiftPlusOne.
[2:00] <JakeSays> "As of right now, all of the VideoCore driver code which runs on the ARM is available under a FOSS license (3-Clause BSD to be precise)." - does this not mean the gpu drivers?
[2:00] <ShiftPlusOne> JakeSays, they have opensourcet he ARM side of things, not what runs on the GPU. The way it is designed is that all the important stuff runs on the GPU and the CPU just passes high level commands, AIUI.
[2:00] <JakeSays> aaa ok
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[2:00] <[Saint]> If they oipen sourced it...then why do you think there is a team working tirelessly to reverse engineer it...hmmm?
[2:00] <[Saint]> Think about that for a sec. Let it sink in.
[2:01] <JakeSays> [Saint]: i wasnt aware of such a team.
[2:01] <ShiftPlusOne> #raspberrypi-internals
[2:01] <[Saint]> Well, there we go.
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[2:02] <[Saint]> WHen they made the announcement, everyone I knew in the FOSS community was all like "Woooo!"
[2:02] <[Saint]> ...until the release and we saw what actually happened.
[2:02] <JakeSays> but even with that, why would android need more than what is provided?
[2:03] <[Saint]> Quite a downer.
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[2:03] <JakeSays> would android need more than gl support?
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[2:04] <ParkerR> JakeSays: a better CPU
[2:05] <ParkerR> 700mhz single core is like 2006-ish phones
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[2:05] <[Saint]> 4.2.2 can actually run fine on a MSM7227 and an Adreno200
[2:05] <[Saint]> that's a whole lot less GPU and 100MHZ less CPU
[2:06] <JakeSays> not that i particularly care if android is available
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[2:07] <JakeSays> hmm. so can the pi run slower than 700mhz?
[2:07] <[Saint]> Yes.
[2:07] <JakeSays> i'm concerned with it overheating in the box i have it running
[2:07] <[Saint]> Don't be.
[2:08] <SpeedEvil> unless the box ambient is over 50c
[2:08] <SpeedEvil> then you might want to add a tiny fan
[2:08] <[Saint]> It has thermal protection anyway, and it can get to a temperature that you cannot safely handle...safely.
[2:08] <[Saint]> even 50C is fine.
[2:08] <[Saint]> I'd worry around 80C
[2:08] <SpeedEvil> 50c may lead to it thermal limiting
[2:08] <[Saint]> ...but even that is fine.
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[2:09] <[Saint]> SpeedEvil: nope.
[2:09] <[Saint]> not that I'm aware of.
[2:09] <JakeSays> 50c..
[2:09] <ParkerR> Mine idles at 56 occasiaionally
[2:09] <[Saint]> JakeSays: basically...just...don't worry.
[2:09] * JakeSays can't remember his c to f conversions
[2:09] <ParkerR> *occasionally
[2:09] <[Saint]> It'll turn itself off it it gets too hot. And it'll limit the CPU before then if it is OC'd.
[2:10] <SpeedEvil> I mean if the ambient in the box is 50c
[2:10] <[Saint]> SpeedEvil: even then. It'll take care of itself.
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[2:10] <[Saint]> There's really no need to worry about the temp.
[2:10] <[Saint]> Phones get this hot all the time.
[2:10] <SpeedEvil> having it thermal limit itself is annoying
[2:10] <JakeSays> is there a way to know if my kernel has been patched to support gpio interrupts?
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[2:10] <ozzzy> mine idles at 45
[2:12] <ShiftPlusOne> JakeSays, are you sure it needs any special patch for that? AFAIK wiringpi supports interrupts and it doesn't talk directly to the hardware to accomplish this.
[2:12] <Hopsy> where should I place my autostartup script?
[2:12] <Hopsy> init.d ?
[2:12] <JakeSays> ShiftPlusOne: i'm reading the wiringpi docs and it mentions "with a newer kernel patched.."
[2:13] <ShiftPlusOne> JakeSays, I guess he means a non-ancient kernel.
[2:13] <JakeSays> ShiftPlusOne: so i can assume the current raspian will work?
[2:13] <ShiftPlusOne> You can try and see
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[2:18] <JakeSays> that would be an affirm, houston!
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[2:29] <JakeSays> bah. wish mono would finish armhf support
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[2:37] <joako> Everything was working fine but now every time I boot I get an error that / is read-only. I added rw option in fstab but it has no effect
[2:38] <[Saint]> your filesystem is toast, my dear.
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[2:38] <[Saint]> *nix systems will mount RO on fs corruption, to protect the data that is left.
[2:39] <[Saint]> mount elsewhere, recover what you want, if you want, and repair the FS.
[2:41] <JakeSays> so i was in walgreens last weekend. saw 16gb class 10 sdhc cards for half price so i got two. during checkout the price was showing full - turns out they were mislabeled
[2:41] <JakeSays> but they honored the price.
[2:41] <[Saint]> I was going to say...I sincerely hope you made them honor it.
[2:41] <JakeSays> yeah didnt even have to ask
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[2:42] <joako> [Saint], Why doesn´t it run fsck like any other linux? and when when I run fsck as ro does it not give any errors? and why can I mount it rw without any errors or warnings?
[2:43] <[Saint]> "any other linux" isn't quite correct there...
[2:44] <JakeSays> how do i read the temp.?
[2:44] <[Saint]> But, anyway, I wouldn't trust a filesystem that is apparently corrupt to run an OS to recover itself ;)
[2:44] <joako> and why does it reboot when I plug or unplug usb devices?
[2:44] <ShiftPlusOne> vcgencmd measure_temp
[2:44] <[Saint]> joako: probably because your power supply sucks.
[2:44] <[Saint]> Or you're drawing too much.
[2:44] <[Saint]> Or both.
[2:45] <ShiftPlusOne> joako, because you're adding a sudden load and there are no caps on the pi to provide the power.
[2:45] <JakeSays> damn. i'm already at 55.1c
[2:45] <[Saint]> JakeSays: that is fine.
[2:45] <[Saint]> Totally fine.
[2:45] <ShiftPlusOne> JakeSays, why 'damn'?
[2:45] <[Saint]> Apparently the discussion earlier didn't stick.
[2:46] <JakeSays> [Saint]: i took the discussion to mean 50c was the upper limit
[2:46] <[Saint]> No, heck no.
[2:46] <JakeSays> ok good
[2:46] <joako> I run fsck -f /dev/mmcblk0p2 but there are no errors
[2:46] <[Saint]> The operating range is 0 - 85C iirc.
[2:47] <joako> Also how can I make the keyboard properly? | key does not work!
[2:47] <[Saint]> joako: Once again, are you entrusting this task to the operating system that resides on the apparently corrupt disc?
[2:47] <ShiftPlusOne> joako, have you checked the logs to find out why it's mounting RO?
[2:47] <[Saint]> ...because, I wouldn't trust that.
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[2:50] <JakeSays> i wonder how well wine would work
[2:50] * [Saint] smirks
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[2:51] <[Saint]> ...seriously? :)
[2:51] <ShiftPlusOne> JakeSays, wine to run x86 windows programs or wine to compile windows programs and run them on the pi natively?
[2:51] <JakeSays> ShiftPlusOne: the latter.
[2:51] <JakeSays> i dont need it.. was just curious.
[2:51] <JakeSays> cuz i imagine emulating an x86 would be expensive
[2:53] * plugwash wonders just how bad wine under user mode qemu would be
[2:53] <ShiftPlusOne> If you want to find out, by all means, try it. http://wiki.winehq.org/ARM
[2:53] <JakeSays> lol the latest dev channel release of chrome has a really annoying bug
[2:53] <joako> is there any way to have the keys on the keyboard work properly?
[2:54] <[Saint]> joako: set the right locale
[2:54] <[Saint]> en-US
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[2:55] <mrkurtz_> is lm-sensors working? see bug that's found elsewhere, seems fixed in x86-based distros
[2:55] <BoomerET> This seems like a crazy question, but I can't try it out right now.
[2:55] <BoomerET> I was using a powered USB hub to power my wifi adapter, and keyboard/mouse, but can I use that same hub to power the Raspi? (Rapi? Pi?)
[2:56] <ShiftPlusOne> BoomerET, yup
[2:56] <JakeSays> BoomerET: apparently you can if your hub provides enough power
[2:56] <plugwash> Depends on the hub
[2:57] <BoomerET> Guess I'll just have to try it out.
[2:57] <mrkurtz_> think there's a list of tested hubs on the site right?
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[2:57] <plugwash> all the Pi cares about is that it gets a nice stable 5V at the currents it draws. Some hubs can deliver that others can't
[2:57] <BoomerET> I just got my Pi today, so I'm still in the playing stage, and having a blast.
[2:57] <plugwash> the Pi does not like undervoltage
[2:57] <JakeSays> would be convenient if it works. i have 4 power supplies as it is
[2:57] <BoomerET> (It helps that Linux pays the bills)
[2:57] <ShiftPlusOne> mrkurtz_, on the elinux wiki, yes.
[2:58] <mrkurtz_> that's the one
[2:58] <mrkurtz_> whats your Pis idle temps?
[2:58] <JakeSays> BoomerET: i got my two pi's last december - this is the first chance i've had to experiment
[2:58] <BoomerET> I'm so excited, I had an old wifi adapter that just worked out of the box, and the PS3 Eye camera worked, and served up pictures.
[2:58] <DarkByD3sign> Well I can honestly say I've seen it all now - Watercooled Raspberry Pi - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwc7Hs33cAk&feature=youtu.be
[2:59] <mrkurtz_> mine seems to idle at about 52c, wondering if that's about right
[2:59] <[Saint]> mrkurtz_: that's perfectly fine.
[2:59] <BoomerET> DarkByD3sign, have you seen the Kickstarter for BrickPi, that's what drove me to get a Pi from SparkFun, ordered Thursday, got it today.
[2:59] <[Saint]> It'll depend on the ambient temp, obviously.
[3:00] <DarkByD3sign> I can't say I have BoomerET but I will have a look
[3:00] <hydroxygen> temp=51.9'C
[3:00] <mrkurtz_> eyah, same here
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[3:01] <[Saint]> watercooled raspi.....recorded on a damn iPhone.
[3:01] <[Saint]> o_0
[3:03] <hydroxygen> mine might be snow cooled tonight
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[3:10] <joako> When I boot the OS I see on the screen the IP address and I see ssh starting but I can not connect to ssh. How can this be?
[3:11] <ShiftPlusOne> "connection refused??
[3:11] <joako> ShiftPlusOne, Yes!!
[3:11] <Tachyon`> ssh isn't running where youthink it is
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[3:12] <ShiftPlusOne> I'd blame your network
[3:12] <Tachyon`> if it were a timeout I'd blame his network
[3:13] <Tachyon`> if it's connection refused it's not running or he's trying to connect to the wrong port
[3:13] <Tachyon`> or the wrong system
[3:13] <Tachyon`> but something is seeing the connection request and rejecting it for that message to appear
[3:18] <JakeSays> holy crap - i'm getting 4mb/s downloads
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[3:30] <Crenn-NAS> Morning all
[3:31] <Phosie> Morning
[3:32] <Crenn-NAS> How's everyone?
[3:32] <Phosie> Tired but okay, I should be sleeping. How are you?
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[3:41] <Grievre> mpmc: Wait did you just expect radio shack to be at all competent or knowledgeable about anything?
[3:42] <Grievre> oh whoa scrolled up
[3:42] <Grievre> lol
[3:43] <ShiftPlusOne> just a little
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[3:55] <joako> So is there any way to ensure the network always connects? I see the IP in the login screen but sometimes I need to reboot for the network to actually function
[3:58] <ShiftPlusOne> It connects fine every time here. Have you checked your tp1-tp2 voltage?
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[3:59] <Phosie> I've also never had that issue.
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[4:04] <joako> I am getting 4.75 volts
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[4:05] <ShiftPlusOne> A bit on the low side, but should be ok. =/
[4:05] <JakeSays> hmm. i think my hub and wifi dongle are over heating
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[4:07] <hydroxygen> ok , earlier i see the vcgencmd for measure_temp ..obviously reads cpu temp..what is measure_volts reading ?? 1.2 volts on mine ,,and is there a way to read the 5 volt line with this cmd?
[4:07] <ShiftPlusOne> hydroxygen, nope. I am guessing 1.2 is the core voltage.
[4:08] <Phosie> What is the command?
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[4:08] <hydroxygen> aha ..it is core voltage ?
[4:08] <ozzzy> I've found that with the powered hub plugged in I have 5.0v... without I have 4.90v
[4:08] <ozzzy> the supply gives 5.25v
[4:09] <ShiftPlusOne> "vcgencmd measure_volts <id>
[4:09] <ShiftPlusOne> Shows voltage. id can be one of core, sdram_c, sdram_i, sdram_p, and defaults to core if not specified."
[4:09] <hydroxygen> vcgencmd measure+temp is for temperature Phosie
[4:09] <ozzzy> there is a bit of voltage drop across the fuse
[4:09] <hydroxygen> argh
[4:09] <ShiftPlusOne> http://elinux.org/RPI_vcgencmd_usage
[4:09] <hydroxygen> vcgencmd measure_temp is for temperature Phosie
[4:09] <hydroxygen> ty
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[4:09] <Phosie> thank you!
[4:10] <Phosie> 42.2, not bad
[4:11] <hydroxygen> temp=53.0'C
[4:12] * hydroxygen is making coal
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[4:13] <Phosie> One of my favourite things about the pi is how quiet it is.
[4:13] <ozzzy> it is quiet... about the same noise level as a Mac Plus
[4:14] <hydroxygen> with 4port usb hub , a sd reader , keybtd / optic mouse and hdmi/vga converter..all powered through the pi..also eth0..the wifi is a bit harsh with all this going..wall wart 1amp power supply
[4:14] <Phosie> Being able to turn off the LED's would be nice. I could cover them up but that's not pretty
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[4:14] * hydroxygen hands Phosie a roll of black tape
[4:15] <Phosie> "I could cover them up but that's not pretty
[4:16] * ShiftPlusOne hands Phosie a roll of pretty black tape.
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[4:16] <hydroxygen> my black case doesnt allow much light out of it except directly thru the led hole ..the clear case had led pipes and it is bright
[4:17] <Phosie> Yeah, my case has those LED pipes.
[4:17] <Phosie> It's not really a problem, my pi just stands out well in a dark room.
[4:17] <hydroxygen> aww//all alone
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[4:18] <hydroxygen> it needs a couple of pis for friends
[4:18] <Phosie> I would buy a couple more but I'd have no use for them, and no way to power them
[4:19] <ozzzy> I'd buy a couple more and have LOTS to do with them
[4:19] <[Saint]> [14:13:40] <ozzzy> it is quiet... about the same noise level as a Mac Plus <--- or, anything else that is absolutely silent, perhaps? :)
[4:19] * [Saint] found that amusing for some reason.
[4:19] <ozzzy> [Saint]: ya got me there
[4:19] <[Saint]> "It is quiet, about as quiet as silence"
[4:19] <[Saint]> ;)
[4:19] <ozzzy> hello darkness my old friend.....
[4:20] * ozzzy misses his Mac Plus... and his Mac SE/30
[4:20] <Phosie> I need to make more use of my pi.
[4:20] <hydroxygen> im building a large scale with 3ghz cpu on passive cooler..looks like a layered radiator..no cpu fan
[4:21] <ozzzy> if I buy another it'll be hanging on the back of the TV bringing videos and music across the network
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[4:22] <hydroxygen> no case yet..thinking of plywood..
[4:22] <Phosie> I think my lack of coding knowledge is a problem.
[4:22] <hydroxygen> there should be a pi on every tv
[4:22] <ozzzy> my buddy is making me one out of rosewood
[4:22] <ozzzy> with a moon/stars inlay
[4:23] <[Saint]> hydroxygen: ideally, people should catch up with TV tech.
[4:23] <ozzzy> I might make one out of the huge bin of Leggo in the corner
[4:23] <[Saint]> Most TVs are a LOT more powerful than a pi.
[4:23] <[Saint]> Heck...mine runs Ubuntu.
[4:23] <hydroxygen> i shut off my tv 4 yrs ago.. it lies too much
[4:23] <[Saint]> More people need smart TVs. They don;t know what they're missing.
[4:24] <Phosie> I can't justify buying a new TV.
[4:24] <[Saint]> I couldn't...until I could install a third party OS on one.
[4:24] <Phosie> Not enough for me.
[4:24] * plugwash would rather have such functionality in a seperate box. I don't want to replace a my TV every time something new and interesting comes along.
[4:26] <Phosie> Husband has an idea for my pi, might have to buy a second. :)
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[4:27] * [Saint] resists the urge to turn that into something dirty...
[4:27] <Phosie> Haha!
[4:27] * [Saint] is now known as [Sinner]
[4:27] <[Sinner]> <-- this guy, however...
[4:27] <Phosie> Using a pi to control a stepper motor to finely turn the dial on his telescope
[4:28] * [Sinner] is now known as [Saint]
[4:28] <[Saint]> Nope, no double entendre there.
[4:28] <[Saint]> ...sigh.
[4:28] <Phosie> Sorry to burst your bubble.
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[4:30] <hydroxygen> the pi will not run stellarium but i saw something about a tracker..
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[4:30] <Phosie> He has a laptop for that :)
[4:30] <Phosie> The pi will be just used to focus.
[4:31] <hydroxygen> i did a search for stellarium from apt-get or somewhere..and saw a tele tracker prgm aside it
[4:31] <ozzzy> stellarium is ok
[4:31] <ozzzy> cartes du ciel is better... but no ARM port
[4:32] <hydroxygen> i run it 24/7 on big box
[4:32] <ozzzy> I use CdC to control my telescope
[4:32] <hydroxygen> pi said it doesnt have the graphics for it
[4:32] <ozzzy> that and AstroTortilla
[4:36] <hydroxygen> temp=54.1'C << still not smoking
[4:36] <Phosie> I should get AstroTortilla just because the name.
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[4:37] <Phosie> Oh god, I think I can see daylight.
[4:37] <Phosie> Nope can't be
[4:38] <Phosie> Google says sunrise isn't for another hour
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[4:40] <^ZoR^> remind me not to kick that power plug
[4:41] <Phosie> ^ZoR^: Don't kick that power plug
[4:41] <taza> Do not kick that power plug.
[4:41] <^ZoR^> ty
[4:41] <Phosie> Anytime
[4:41] <^ZoR^> hydroxygen, will see why in a moment
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[4:42] <^ZoR^> ^^
[4:42] <Phosie> heh
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[4:42] <hydroxygen> dah
[4:44] * hydroxygen removed the top case cover to check temps later ..while i kicked the power off
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[4:44] <hydroxygen> temp=48.2'C
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[4:54] <hydroxygen> 47.1 now.. lots cooler with top case off
[4:55] <hydroxygen> only makes sense
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[4:56] <[Saint]> Is it irrelevant temperature reading day?
[4:57] <hydroxygen> no..just totally bored.its been raining for like 10days now in a row
[4:58] <Phosie> Isn't it always?
[4:59] <[Saint]> ...somewhere, yes.
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[5:35] <voxadam> I just recived my first rPi from Allied Electronics. If I order a second one will they send it to me or do they enforce the 1 unit policy? I need at least one more and would actually like three more.
[5:35] <ShiftPlusOne> There is no 1 unit policy that I am aware of.
[5:36] <JakeSays> voxadam: i ordered two from them and they sent two
[5:36] <JakeSays> took five months tho
[5:36] <ShiftPlusOne> There was a 1 unit policy when the rpi first launched, but that was a long time ago.
[5:39] <voxadam> "**Supplies are extremelly limited at this time, only one Raspberry Pi can be shipped to any one customer.
[5:39] <voxadam> The balance of any order of more than one unit will be back-ordered and shipped as soon as possible."
[5:40] <Phosie> There hasn't been a one unit policy for ages as far as I know.
[5:40] <voxadam> That's what I thought.
[5:41] <hydroxygen> mcm electronics have them in unlimited stock
[5:41] <hydroxygen> well limited to their stock
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[5:43] <Phosie> £4 for some stickers on the pi store....ouch.
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[5:44] <hydroxygen> http://www.mcmelectronics.com/content/en-US/raspberry-pi
[5:45] <devslash> do any of you use a usb wifi adapter
[5:45] <Phosie> I do.
[5:45] <Ben64> who is mcm electronics?
[5:45] <hydroxygen> ayuh
[5:45] <devslash> Phosie: does yours require a powered usb hub
[5:45] <hydroxygen> i delt with msm for over 30yrs..
[5:45] <hydroxygen> mcm*
[5:45] <Ben64> but they aren't one of the two authorized retailers
[5:46] <Phosie> It works without one, and I can have a keyboard connected too.
[5:46] <hydroxygen> nor are the hundreds on ebay or amazon
[5:46] <devslash> Phosie: which one is it ?
[5:46] <Phosie> Umm, give me a minute and I'll check.
[5:47] <Ben64> hydroxygen: and i don't want to buy from ebay or amazon either
[5:47] <hydroxygen> your choice
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[5:48] <Phosie> devslash: "Tenda W302U"
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[5:48] <Ben64> $10.50 for shipping : /
[5:48] <Ben64> could fit it into a flat rate usps box easily, costs $5
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[5:48] <devslash> hmm amazon has the tenda 311
[5:49] <devslash> W311
[5:49] <Phosie> Yeah it's discontinuted now.
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[5:52] <hydroxygen> 10% donated to the foundation.. i would think they would be authorized..
[5:52] <devslash> damn
[5:53] <hydroxygen> devslash, i just got the last three usb hubs at the dolalr store for $3 each..they can be powered but the pi runs it nicely..
[5:53] <hydroxygen> dollar*
[5:53] <devslash> a powered hub?
[5:54] <Phosie> I'll be buying a nice powered hub from modmypi soon
[5:54] <Phosie> £10
[5:54] <hydroxygen> i ran one for 24hrs without a glitch..running a wifi on portB
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[5:54] <devslash> is that a powered hub ?
[5:54] <hydroxygen> it cvan be powered..it only has a plug to the 5volt line
[5:55] <devslash> i wish they had that where i live
[5:55] <hydroxygen> i had other hubs which flacke out under load
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[5:55] <hydroxygen> this type seems fine. its a usbconcept fd4001
[5:57] <hydroxygen> i could not find much on it google
[5:57] <hydroxygen> also bought a fd4002 33 in 1 card reader..it even works with it..but use eth0 while using it
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[5:58] <hydroxygen> for $3 .
[5:58] <Phosie> wow
[5:59] <hydroxygen> it seems its a new company in new tork distributing as esi cellular cases and accessories..it was made in china..
[5:59] <hydroxygen> york*
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[6:00] <Phosie> Only thing I hate about buying from China is the long shipping.
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[6:01] <hydroxygen> o took the mall apart and resoldered the ports on forever.. they skimp om solder..well i traced the power plug to directly 5 volt line in the ports..so its not impossible to power a non-powered hub
[6:02] <hydroxygen> i dont see why u couldnt power a non-powered hub right thru an extra port
[6:02] <hydroxygen> all the 5 volt lines were same traces
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[6:06] <Phosie> Quake 3 on the pi is so much fun...
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[6:16] <hydroxygen> Pi-Face Digital Interface Board << looks interesting
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[7:07] <ItsMeLenny> Phosie, did you compile yourself? i havent yet tried q3a on raspi but its been a plan from the start
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[7:10] <Phosie> ItsMeLenny: I did, followed the simple instructions, whole thing took just over an hour.
[7:10] <ItsMeLenny> was that using ioquake3?
[7:11] <Phosie> Yes.
[7:11] <[Saint]> An hour?!?
[7:11] <ItsMeLenny> i used to cross compile it for linux and windows 32 and 64, havent updated my compilations since they switched to git
[7:11] <[Saint]> Ohhhhh....on the pi itself. Gotcha.
[7:11] <ItsMeLenny> http://www.suctioncuphands.com/ioquake3.html
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[7:12] <Phosie> suctioncuphands...awesome
[7:13] <ItsMeLenny> yeah, part of a comedy routine i (used to) do, and a tribute to cosmos cosmic adventure
[7:14] <Phosie> I need to copy my paks across. Only having 4 maps isn't fun.
[7:15] <ItsMeLenny> lol
[7:15] <ItsMeLenny> you only need pak0
[7:15] <Phosie> Learn something new every day
[7:18] <ItsMeLenny> from the disc that is
[7:18] <ItsMeLenny> the other paks you need to get from the update
[7:19] <Phosie> I see. :)
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[7:26] <ItsMeLenny> in fact now im up for a game of q3a
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[7:28] <Phosie> I think I'll be getting some sleep soon.
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[7:38] <ShiftPlusOne> ItsMeLenny, nice domain O_o
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[7:42] <ItsMeLenny> :P tanks
[7:44] <ItsMeLenny> or werent you serious
[7:45] <ItsMeLenny> from a saleable point of view its probably too long
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[7:45] <Phosie> I'd buy it
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[7:47] <ShiftPlusOne> There you go... a buyer. You'll be rich now =D
[7:48] <ShiftPlusOne> Phosie, I'll give you xecdesign.com for a few million too.
[7:48] <ShiftPlusOne> Though that would probably have to be in vietnamese dong =(
[7:48] <Phosie> Not as cool...
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[7:48] <ShiftPlusOne> I know =(
[7:48] <Phosie> I've always wanted my own website but had no need
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[7:50] <Phosie> Bookmaked your site btw.
[7:51] <ShiftPlusOne> I use mine as a braindump for things to refer to later and others seem to find the info handy as well. Don't have time for it though.
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[7:54] <Phosie> Wow I really suck at quake
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[7:54] <JakeSays> so if i'm sending a 3.3v signal to a 5v receiver, i dont need to do anything special?
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[9:04] <overrider> JakeSays: i think you need to be careful using 3.3V to switch something 5V
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[9:15] <JakeSays> overrider: well it appears to be working
[9:17] <overrider> JakeSays: all i am reading is that it's not good for the rpi, specifically when using anything higher voltage / current
[9:17] <JakeSays> overrider: i believe thats only on input.
[9:18] <overrider> not sure
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[9:30] <Kriss3d> Mornng everyone. Uhmm when using raspbmc and i leave it on overnight my rasp will most often not respond to the tv remote anymore. It looks like its on but the screen is just black. Is that a known bug and is there a fix ?
[9:31] <bigx> hi there, i'm trying to buy some goodies at the swag shop. and it's telling me they don't ship in my country (France) is it normal?
[9:32] <Kriss3d> bigx, you could always check if there is a french raspberrypi site (official that is).. there is for my contry but i cant say if that goes for most contries
[9:33] <bigx> thx, i tried again and it worked. weird
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[9:45] <Triffid_Hunter> Kriss3d: does it still make sounds? still visible on the network?
[9:45] <Triffid_Hunter> could be console blanking
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[9:47] <Kriss3d> Triffid_Hunter, i havent checked i gotta admit..
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[9:47] <Kriss3d> i could try pinging it when its "down" to see if the network part responds
[9:48] <Kriss3d> i have a USB drive connected to it though.. that stores my movies. but ill try to see if i can connect to it SSH and such.
[9:49] <Kriss3d> is there a way to restart the console ?
[9:49] <Triffid_Hunter> Kriss3d: sending keyboard input should wake it up
[9:50] <Kriss3d> Triffid_Hunter, hm i suppose but not the most effecient if i need that connected to wake it up
[9:51] <Kriss3d> otherwise the devs should have a cron running that keeps it awake
[9:51] <Triffid_Hunter> Kriss3d: I did 'setterm -powersave off -regtabs 4 >> /etc/issue' which will implement those settings every time it displays the login prompt
[9:51] <Kriss3d> uhmm it doesnt have a login prompt. its running raspbmc
[9:52] <Triffid_Hunter> Kriss3d: well organise for setterm to write to the terminal during boot somewhere
[9:53] <Triffid_Hunter> Kriss3d: setterm basically prints some console codes (see man console_codes) which is why we can redirect its output to /etc/issue and things like that
[9:54] <Kriss3d> so just setterm -powersafe off -regtabs 4 >> /etc/issue
[9:54] <Kriss3d> and it shouldnt mess up anymore ?
[9:56] <Triffid_Hunter> Kriss3d: as long as you see a login prompt (which is generated from /etc/issue) at least momentarily during boot
[9:56] <Kriss3d> Oh. ill try and see if it works
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[9:58] <Kriss3d> gotta go but thanks Triffid_Hunter
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[12:17] <[Saint]> ...show it some XXX images of 3-Phase sockets?
[12:18] <[Saint]> A little static on the three pole plug, perhaps?
[12:19] <lee> you turn it on by flicking the power switch =)
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[14:21] <cousin_luigi> Greetings.
[14:22] <cousin_luigi> Is there anything that allows x86 ELF apps to run on rpi?
[14:22] <ItsMeLenny> .sgniteerg
[14:22] <gordonDrogon> not really.
[14:22] <gordonDrogon> well - there is, but it's stupidly slow.
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[14:23] <gordonDrogon> ItsMeLenny, ?ew era ,yad fo tros sdrawkcab a gnivaH
[14:24] <ItsMeLenny> lol
[14:24] <cousin_luigi> gordonDrogon: well, it would be a daemon for an UPS, so performance wouldn't be a constraint
[14:24] <ItsMeLenny> uoy sa yldab sa ton
[14:26] <gordonDrogon> ItsMeLenny, Jryy, V gnxr lbhe onpxjneqf grkg naq envf lbh ebg13 ...
[14:26] <gordonDrogon> cousin_luigi, the NUT UPS programs/tools ought to be there in the Raspbian distro as native ARM code.
[14:27] <cousin_luigi> gordonDrogon: apparently the ups I'm dealing with is not that standard
[14:27] <cousin_luigi> gordonDrogon: it's not even listed as USB device
[14:27] <gordonDrogon> sure it's not a usb serial device?
[14:27] <gordonDrogon> or does it jsut come with some weird binary windows-only code?
[14:28] <cousin_luigi> gordonDrogon: no idea, but they do support linux
[14:28] <cousin_luigi> with upsilon 2000
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[14:29] <cousin_luigi> gordonDrogon: and yes, it could be a usb serial device, but I can't check it because the person is not apparently understanding the question
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[14:31] <gordonDrogon> I'd try to get the make of the UPS and see if it's supported by NUT, etc.
[14:33] <cousin_luigi> atlantis land nad NUT appears to support a single model via blazer_ser
[14:34] <cousin_luigi> I suppose blazer_usb would be the one to use in this case
[14:36] <cousin_luigi> well, thanks for the input, I'll tell the interested person to test it if he wants
[14:36] <cousin_luigi> bbl
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[14:51] <Tenkawa> anyone using f2fs much yet?
[14:52] <ItsMeLenny> female 2 females?
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[14:56] <gordonDrogon> Flash Friendly File System ,I presume?
[14:56] <Tenkawa> gordonDrogon: yep
[14:57] <Tenkawa> i just converted one of my rpi's to it
[14:57] <gordonDrogon> I looked at it recently, but have not actually implemented it anywhere.
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[14:57] <gordonDrogon> does it "feel" any different from ext4?
[14:57] <Tenkawa> so far so good for me..just wanted to get others reports
[14:58] <Tenkawa> gordonDrogon: not done enough testing yet to determine
[14:58] <Tenkawa> converted it and immediately had to put it away until now
[14:58] <gordonDrogon> I guess you had to compile a 3.8 kernel for it?
[14:59] <Tenkawa> 3.9
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[14:59] <Tenkawa> uname: invalid option -- 'k'
[14:59] <Tenkawa> Try 'uname --help' for more information.
[14:59] <Tenkawa> oops
[14:59] <Tenkawa> Linux
[14:59] <Tenkawa> bag
[14:59] <Tenkawa> er bah
[14:59] <Tenkawa> bad manpagr
[15:00] <Tenkawa> 3.9.0
[15:00] * gordonDrogon nods.
[15:00] <Tenkawa> 3.9.3 on the x86 box i use to build the cards
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[15:01] <Tenkawa> was thinking about trying it next on the usb attached ssd i have on the other rpi
[15:02] <Tenkawa> since it "should" be good for a standard ssd too
[15:07] <Tenkawa> bbl.. time for more outdoor stuff...
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[15:38] <[Saint]> gordonDrogon: why compile 3.8 when there's a perfectly good one sitting in the 'next' branch installable with rpi-update?
[15:38] * Sk1d|off is now known as Sk1d
[15:39] <[Saint]> apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get install rpi-update && branch=next rpi-update
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[15:41] <[Saint]> That'll pull in the precompiled 3.8.8 from raspberrypi/linux
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[15:41] <[Saint]> Zero shennanigans involved. :)
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[15:43] <[Saint]> errr...sorry, raspberrypi/firmware
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[15:44] <[Saint]> You could even do 'branch=fig_split rpi-update" to install a kernel patched with your very own changes applied :)
[15:44] <[Saint]> *fiq, even
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[15:49] <netman87> maybe: uname -a
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[15:54] <[Saint]> Ohhh...well, look at that. Apparently I updated to 3.10
[15:54] * [Saint] doesn't recall doing so
[15:55] <[Saint]> Kinda funny that a cheap ARM board has a newer kernel than my vastly more powerful desktop/laptop/server
[15:55] <[Saint]> Perhaps I did so as I wasn't scared of any downtime from mishaps.
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[15:58] <netman87> i havent upgraded kernel for 6months on any device
[15:58] <netman87> just got tired... changed desktop for windows 7
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[15:58] <netman87> and RPi... i did sell as i didnt find any use for it at that time
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[15:59] <netman87> now i have been wondering if i should build new desktop pc and use this old dual cpu as linux home server
[15:59] <netman87> also i have been thinking of ordering some nice device to play with. maybe odroid
[16:00] <Ely_arp> oculd have used the RPi as home server
[16:00] <Ely_arp> not thefastest
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[16:00] <netman87> RPi cant handle my needs atm
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[16:01] <netman87> it should be nice for some small tasks, but atm i dont have any of those in mind and i get older laptops for free
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[16:01] <netman87> so i can use mostly them
[16:02] <Ely_arp> use less power than an old laptop and are good for 27/7
[16:02] <Ely_arp> 24/7
[16:02] <ItsMeLenny> has anybody replaces raspi usb with header pins?
[16:02] <SpeedEvil> I want a computer good for 27/7. you never know when the earth will slow down
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[16:03] <netman87> RPi did crash too often. it had no power to calculate stuff i want and i have enough power coming from my walls
[16:03] <[Saint]> If it crashed...you were doing something wrong.
[16:03] <netman87> says random people at IRC
[16:04] <Ely_arp> or overclocking
[16:04] <[Saint]> A quick check tells me one of mine has 28 days uptime.
[16:04] <netman87> and yes. it was when first preorders did ship
[16:04] <netman87> 28d is not enough
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[16:05] <[Saint]> Oh dear, some experimental hardware running experimental software misbehaved? Call the internet police ;)
[16:05] <netman87> my server have been rebooted 2 times in past 2 years
[16:05] <netman87> one time for ram upgrade and one time for filesystem upgrade
[16:06] <[Saint]> Right, that's cool...but, you don'ty have enough data to suggest that that isn't possible with the pi.
[16:06] <[Saint]> And you based assumptions on usage/performance from very early days.
[16:06] <netman87> okey. find any guy who run data progressing on RPi for atleast 6months without any errors
[16:07] <netman87> lets just say i have 2GB of ram used on my server
[16:07] <[Saint]> And I have 14...so?
[16:07] <netman87> if you guys wanna force me to use RPi as my home servers you are wrong
[16:07] <Ely_arp> hope the Rpi is as stable as the previous slug i was using as sever that ran for about 8 years without trouble
[16:07] <Ely_arp> force?
[16:08] <netman87> i did say that im not using RPi atm. people started to tell me to change for RPi
[16:08] <Ely_arp> someone wants to Rpi you?
[16:08] <netman87> <Ely_arp> oculd have used the RPi as home server
[16:08] <[Saint]> No one wants to force you to do anything. In fact, I literally couldn't care less. You don't even own the device in question.
[16:08] <Ely_arp> could is not force
[16:08] <[Saint]> We're just saying it is possible.
[16:08] <ItsMeLenny> i sometimes think the raspi wasnt really laid out in the best possible way
[16:09] <netman87> its not in my case and that was i what i was talking about
[16:09] <[Saint]> ItsMeLenny: it isn't...this is a fact.
[16:09] <[Saint]> It was built around a price point.
[16:09] <netman87> rpi is nice device... even which old hardware and huge price but its just not for me
[16:09] <nid0> its not laid out in the best possible way, its laid out in the cheapest/smallest possible way
[16:09] <ItsMeLenny> oh
[16:09] <ItsMeLenny> that i didnt realise
[16:10] <ItsMeLenny> are there headless boards?
[16:10] <[Saint]> You *really* need to cut some corners to put out a $25 dev board.
[16:10] <nid0> no
[16:10] <ItsMeLenny> be nice to spaghetti wire everything off
[16:10] <ItsMeLenny> they couldve made it cheaper again
[16:10] <ItsMeLenny> :P
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[16:10] <netman87> [Saint], 30eur for rpi, 5eur for power adapter, 10eur for memory card, 10 eur for shipping
[16:11] <ItsMeLenny> replace the composite and audio out with a 4 pin 3.5mm
[16:11] <[Saint]> Oh lord...another one of those "Its not really a $25 board, they lied!" guys.
[16:11] <ItsMeLenny> or essentially a mini usb plug, like on cameras
[16:11] <[Saint]> ...yay.
[16:11] <ItsMeLenny> lol
[16:11] <ItsMeLenny> is the official camera out for it?
[16:11] <netman87> mini usb plug would have been much better
[16:11] <[Saint]> Yes.
[16:12] <ItsMeLenny> is there an official screen?
[16:12] <netman87> but yes. it isnt actually cheaper than other boards. eur/power and there is no enough software
[16:13] <ItsMeLenny> in fact they couldve done the majority of the ports as micro usb :P
[16:13] <[Saint]> ItsMeLenny: Well, I guess I sghall eagerly await your contribution to the educational dev board market then?
[16:13] <[Saint]> ...for cheaper, or course.
[16:13] <[Saint]> With better hardware.
[16:14] <[Saint]> <sarcasm_implied>
[16:14] <ItsMeLenny> lol
[16:14] <ItsMeLenny> i put peanut butter on a cracker once...
[16:14] <ItsMeLenny> my favourite colour is butterscotch
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[16:15] <[Saint]> peanut butter on crackers is the shizznit, yo.
[16:16] * mpmc feels ill.
[16:17] <netman87> http://www.hardkernel.com/renewal_2011/shop/good_buy_view.php?lang=en&g_code=G135341370451
[16:17] <netman87> thats one im gonna order
[16:17] <[Saint]> The U2 is....lacking, to say the least.
[16:18] <[Saint]> IFF you want an Odroid, go for the X2.
[16:18] <mpmc> I'll stick to my Pi's thanks :p
[16:18] <netman87> [Saint], why X2 over U2?
[16:18] <ItsMeLenny> that's basically what i just explained, they stole my idea
[16:19] <[Saint]> netman87: compare the two, you've got eyes :)
[16:19] <netman87> i dont need IO pins, i dont need usb ports.. not more than 1
[16:20] <netman87> and im fine by using microSD instead of SD
[16:21] <ItsMeLenny> where can i buy the cam from?
[16:21] <[Saint]> ItsMeLenny: are you having an off day?
[16:21] <netman87> its available at internet
[16:22] <netman87> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/3890
[16:22] <[Saint]> One would think "The official raspberry pi site or a reseller" would spring to mind.
[16:22] <ItsMeLenny> in australia
[16:22] <ItsMeLenny> theres an official site?
[16:22] <[Saint]> It'll redirect you.
[16:23] <[Saint]> I'm in NZ, I purchased everything through RS.
[16:23] <netman87> even adafruit sell those
[16:23] <ItsMeLenny> i cant seem to find it on farnell
[16:23] <ItsMeLenny> and another site said no stock available
[16:24] <netman87> why you need camera module?
[16:24] <[Saint]> ...who says he needs it?
[16:25] <netman87> why not usb webcam?
[16:25] <[Saint]> He wants one. Leave it at that.
[16:25] <netman87> price is about same
[16:25] <ItsMeLenny> usb doesnt do hd
[16:25] <ItsMeLenny> yeah
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[16:25] <netman87> does rpi camera do hd?
[16:25] <ItsMeLenny> i have 2 usb webcams already, theyre exactly the same yet they both display a completely different image
[16:25] <ItsMeLenny> yes
[16:26] <netman87> it have l4v2 driver?
[16:26] <netman87> v4l2*
[16:26] <ItsMeLenny> the raspi os has the drivers...
[16:26] <netman87> and they are not v4l2 supported? or are they?
[16:27] <ItsMeLenny> no idea
[16:27] <[Saint]> There will be.
[16:27] <[Saint]> Not yet, but, there will be.
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[16:28] <netman87> okey thats one reason why i would buy rpi
[16:28] <[Saint]> again. :)
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[16:29] <netman87> yeah. my older model was 256MB one.
[16:30] <netman87> but i would have use for really cheap HD video stream over wifi
[16:30] * [Saint] adds that there wasn't a v4l2 driver in place for the raspi *last time he checked*, but that was a few weeks ago and the launch of the camera module to the general public may have changed this
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[16:31] <netman87> and cheap means 100eur in this case
[16:31] <netman87> rpi+sd+camera module+wifi module fit pretty easily on that
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[16:34] <\\Mr_C\\> do they make a serial to ttl wireless?
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[16:39] <maxinux> netman87: v4l is on the raspian distro, and probably others
[16:39] <maxinux> im using a raspi for a photobooth
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[16:44] <ozzzy> http://www.togastro.com/ozzzy/piintervalometer.pdf <-- pretty much debugged
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[16:48] <ozzzy> \\Mr_C\\: serial to ttl wireless?
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[16:49] <maxinux> \\Mr_C\\: bluetooth, not wifi
[16:49] <ozzzy> what do you want to do
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[16:56] <harris> good morning
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[16:57] <ozzzy> howdy
[16:57] <Assid> hi..so i have a drive setup which im trying to re-format.. cause it was acting strange when it was directly connected to my router.. i re-created the partition.. and i ran fsck.ext4 -v /dev/sdc1
[16:57] <Assid> and now i am getting 1.41.12-2661: recovering journal
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[16:59] <Assid> any idea whats up? i dont care about the data inside.. so im ok to reformat the whole thing
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[16:59] <harris> what up ozzzy
[17:00] <Assid> any idea whats up?
[17:00] <harris> with whaat
[17:00] <Encrypt> "i re-created the partition.. and i ran fsck.ext4 -v /dev/sdc1"
[17:00] <ozzzy> haven't you reformatted it yet
[17:00] <Encrypt> Then didn't you format them?
[17:00] <ozzzy> you didn't put a file system on the partition?
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[17:01] <Assid> i did..
[17:01] <Assid> wait.. i think i forgot to.. this time around
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[17:01] <Assid> reformatted 3 times.. i think i missed this one
[17:01] <Assid> err.. brb
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[17:02] <Assid> yeah my bad :(
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[17:06] <Assid> hm.. so im heading to UAE soon.. any one know where i can get a pi there?
[17:08] <Assid> yeay.. found one.. from farnell
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[17:09] <Assid> sothe drive doesnt wanna complete formatting.. its stuck at creating journals
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[17:10] <spycrab0> Hey im searching for an good LCD Display for the Raspberry PI.Any idea?
[17:12] <Assid> spycrab0: any.. it has an hdmi port.. and a decent gpu.. you should be good with upto 40"+
[17:12] <Assid> i'd go with a samsung LED TV, but thats me
[17:13] <spycrab0> Assid: Well maybe i didn't say it clear enough i mean something like that: http://www.emsystech.de/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Raspi-LCD-1.jpg
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[17:14] <nid0> well if you want one like that, why not buy one of those
[17:15] <Assid> that looks nice.. whats the benefit of those?
[17:16] <spycrab0> hmm as far as i know its a complete kit (+ Pi) and i already got one
[17:16] <nid0> that board comes fully assembled, it doesnt include the pi though.
[17:17] <Encrypt> By the way, did you see all you can host our Pi for free in a kind of "Datacenter"? :)
[17:17] <Encrypt> your*
[17:18] <ozzzy> yep
[17:18] <Martin`> www.pcxpi.nl
[17:18] <Martin`> :P
[17:18] <offbyone> Hey, I know this is a hair off topic, but I'm trying to teach myself to solder and could use some advice on what I should buy by way of a good, inexpensive soldering iron?
[17:19] <Martin`> I have very cheap soldering iron :P
[17:19] <ozzzy> Aoyue make great, inexpensive stations
[17:19] <offbyone> I suspect that once one is experienced, it's possible to use just about any tool
[17:19] <offbyone> but given that I've tried and failed to do the soldering for the Adafruit pi cobbler with the cheap crap one I have, either I need the extra help or I'm just doomed to be incapable :)
[17:20] <offbyone> I'm hoping the former ;)
[17:20] <Martin`> http://dx.com/p/60w-rubber-handle-electronics-diy-welding-soldering-iron-220-240v-ac-47246 I use this one, but I don't use it a lot
[17:20] <Martin`> but lot better than the on of my dad :P
[17:20] <offbyone> Martin`: That's pretty similar to the one I have.
[17:20] <offbyone> although mine's tip seems to come to a point a bit more abruptly.
[17:21] <offbyone> which may be part of my problem.
[17:21] <ozzzy> Aoyue make great, inexpensive stations. http://goo.gl/v6JEQ is the one I bought
[17:22] <offbyone> hm. That's plausible; it looks nice, but my concern there now comes to space… which I may have to just suck up. I'm trying to keep to the <$50 range as well.
[17:22] <offbyone> I think I might be being too picky
[17:23] <offbyone> ozzzy, what makes this station a good one?
[17:23] <ozzzy> accurate heat, good tips, ease of use
[17:24] <offbyone> how critical is accurate heat?
[17:24] <ozzzy> can't live without it
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[17:26] <offbyone> What about this one? http://www.amazon.com/Aoyue-936-AOYUE-Soldering-Station/dp/B000VINMRO/ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8&qid=1369581726&sr=8-10&keywords=AOYUE
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[17:26] <ozzzy> that'll work too
[17:27] <offbyone> Is the 35W adequate?
[17:28] <ozzzy> yep.. unless you want to solder automotive battery cable
[17:28] <ozzzy> well... that's a bit overboard
[17:28] <offbyone> hah
[17:28] <ozzzy> but 35W should be fine for small circuits
[17:28] <offbyone> What about solder gauge? I'm trying to connect one of these: http://learn.adafruit.com/adafruit-pi-cobbler-kit/solder-it
[17:28] <offbyone> and I'm not sure what I should be using for the solder.
[17:29] <offbyone> I gather there's more than one size/material et al.
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[17:29] <offbyone> (btw, thank you for your info. I appreciate it)
[17:29] <mgottschlag> 60/40 solder, as thin as possible (imho)
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[17:29] <mgottschlag> well, for something like that, 1mm+ would work
[17:30] <mgottschlag> but if you plan to do smaller stuff later, 0.6mm solder really works better
[17:30] <offbyone> What is 60/40 measuring?
[17:30] <mgottschlag> tin/lead
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[17:30] <offbyone> so if I have this: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00030AP48/ref=oh_details_o03_s00_i02?ie=UTF8&psc=1
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[17:30] <mgottschlag> actually, like 63/37, that's normal "radio solder" iirc
[17:30] <offbyone> that'd be what I'm looking for?
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[17:30] <mgottschlag> also, soldering irons which tell you how warm they are ftw
[17:31] <offbyone> I've been eyeing this iron, which is nicely cheap: http://www.amazon.com/Soldering-Station-Features-Continuously-Variable/dp/B0029N70WM/ref=pd_bxgy_hi_text_z
[17:31] <offbyone> but I have no idea whether it's adequate.
[17:32] <Twist-> offbyone: are you in the US?
[17:32] <offbyone> Twist-: yes
[17:32] <mgottschlag> no idea what you want to do, it certainly is adequate for occasional non-smd soldering
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[17:32] <ozzzy> I use a rosin based solder
[17:32] <Twist-> http://www.circuitspecialists.com/soldering-stations
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[17:32] <mgottschlag> http://www.amazon.de/dp/B001G2LVE0 <- that's what I have, the temperature control really helps at times
[17:32] <mgottschlag> (more than 50$ though)
[17:33] <Encrypt> mgottschlag, Hi :)
[17:33] <pksato> for beginner, simple 30 to 30W solder iron is fine.
[17:33] <mgottschlag> hi
[17:33] <Twist-> You absolutely want temperature control
[17:33] <offbyone> mgottschlag: Thanks. I'm trying to stay <$50, but if I can't get an adequate unit for that, I'm not going to screw myself by buying cheap crap first.
[17:33] <mgottschlag> I'd say, you probably want temperature control where you get feedback about the real temperature as well
[17:34] <mgottschlag> but probably a simple led which tells you when it has reached the temperature is enough
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[17:34] <Twist-> http://www.circuitspecialists.com/csi-station1a.html is fine.
[17:34] <Twist-> you'll find that unit under many different brands
[17:35] <offbyone> That looks awesome… and sold out :)
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[17:37] <offbyone> How would I figure out the other brands? This is an interesting rabbit hole down which I find myself today.
[17:37] <Twist-> Aoyue is anotehr badge I see on that iron
[17:37] <gildean> Twist-: i have one that's almost exactly like that one, except the brand on mine is SLD
[17:38] <gildean> imo a very good soldering station for it's price
[17:38] <offbyone> That looks almost exactly like this: http://www.amazon.com/Aoyue-936-AOYUE-Soldering-Station/dp/B000VINMRO
[17:39] <Twist-> A bit of a nasty markup though
[17:39] <offbyone> Yeah :/
[17:39] <offbyone> plus $12 shipping. Awesome :|
[17:39] <offbyone> Mind you, CSI has $13 shipping
[17:39] <Twist-> at that price, just buy a better unit from CSI
[17:39] <offbyone> I've been a bit spoiled by Prime.
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[17:40] <Twist-> I've got prime as well, but I notice that they do roll the shipping cost into the item price in many cases
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[17:40] <offbyone> I can attest to the fact that they do not, in fact, do that.
[17:40] <offbyone> :)
[17:41] <offbyone> Okay, I think I have enough to go on.
[17:41] <offbyone> Thank you all
[17:41] <Twist-> You can see it in comparing prime vs non prime prices for the same item from different vendors, or by comparing prices from say, walmart or home depot.
[17:42] <Twist-> offbyone: one other thing
[17:42] <Twist-> offbyone: get a brass sponge tip cleaner.
[17:42] <offbyone> Will do
[17:43] <Twist-> http://www.amazon.com/Aoyue-Soldering-Cleaner-sponge-needed/dp/B005C789EU/ref=sr_1_1?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1369582956&sr=1-1&keywords=brass+sponge+tip+cleaner
[17:43] <Twist-> that sort of thin
[17:43] <Twist-> g
[17:43] <Twist-> so much better than a porous sponge
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[17:45] <Twist-> offbyone: is the tip of your current iron all black and covered in crud? :D
[17:45] <offbyone> Twist-: it's never been successfully used :)
[17:45] <offbyone> So, no.
[17:46] <Twist-> That didn't answer the question at all. Perhaps I should rephrase as "has the tip been properly tinned?"
[17:46] <offbyone> Probably not. I'm planning on finding some youtube tutorial on how to do that.
[17:46] <offbyone> I know I need to
[17:46] <offbyone> but I'm not sure how to.
[17:46] <offbyone> hence, the internet :)
[17:46] <Twist-> offbyone: youtube is a great resource for this.
[17:46] <DDave> offbyone, smack some tin on the tip and go go :D
[17:47] <DDave> I hope you have a piece of scrap that you can "learn to solder" on?
[17:47] <offbyone> Is 'tin' shorthand for soldering stuff? Or do I need more materials?
[17:47] <Twist-> offbyone: another might be finding a local hackspace.. do you live in a reasonably large city?
[17:47] <offbyone> Twist-: Seattle, so, yeah.
[17:47] <Twist-> just a sec
[17:47] <Twist-> there should be at least one there
[17:47] <offbyone> There are
[17:47] <offbyone> several
[17:47] <offbyone> It's one of my plans.
[17:47] <Twist-> http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/Seattle
[17:47] <offbyone> Time is a bit of a short resource for mea.
[17:48] <Twist-> yeah. Just a few.
[17:48] <Twist-> They'll likely have better soldering irons there than you'd want to purchase on your own
[17:48] <offbyone> True
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[17:56] <Twist-> offbyone: if you wanted to discuss general technique, we could.. what exactly went wrong in your failed attempt?
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[17:57] <offbyone> Twist-: I'm not sure. I think that the setting never got hot enough. Right now, there's not much I could do to try again -- the equipment is in a room that is occupied by sleeping persons of dubious morning temper :)
[17:57] <Twist-> http://learn.adafruit.com/adafruit-guide-excellent-soldering/tools
[17:57] <offbyone> I'm going to give it a shot tomorrow sometime.
[17:57] <Twist-> offbyone: was the iron hot enough to melt the solder directly?
[17:57] <offbyone> Twist-: yes
[17:59] <Twist-> huh. this is a decent guide. I hadn't read it before.
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[17:59] <Twist-> http://learn.adafruit.com/adafruit-guide-excellent-soldering/common-problems
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[18:00] <offbyone> is "wetting" equivalent to "heating" in this
[18:00] <offbyone> ?
[18:00] <Twist-> it would be better described as "adhering"
[18:00] <liyang> noooo.
[18:00] <Twist-> i.e. was the component hot enough for the solder to flow onto it
[18:01] <offbyone> So in order to have it 'wetted' it must be heated enough?
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[18:01] <liyang> The thing to keep in mind is that as you keep solder and/or surfaces heated, you get more and more oxidation which means worse adherence. Fresh flux removes the oxide layers.
[18:01] <offbyone> What is flux vs solder?
[18:01] <liyang> Wetting in this context means putting fresh solder onto the pads.
[18:02] <Twist-> Yep. The pad, the lead, and the iron must be hotter than the melting point of your solder.
[18:02] <liyang> Solder (strands of it) usually has some flux wrapped inside.
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[18:02] <Twist-> there's another good question.. were you using rosin core solder?
[18:02] <pksato> welding/soldering needs practice. get old componente and pcs and practice.
[18:02] <Twist-> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flux_(metallurgy)
[18:03] <offbyone> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00030AP48/ref=oh_details_o03_s00_i02?ie=UTF8&psc=1
[18:03] <offbyone> I have some of that
[18:03] <liyang> So it's a bit more than just "applying enough heat". In fact too much heat is bad for various reasons.
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[18:04] <cmasta> Anyone have problems with UHS-1 Class 10 Sd Cards?
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[18:04] <bertrik> AFAIK, the raspberry pi does not do UHS
[18:04] <liyang> Invest in a solder-sucker. If the solder looks crusty, remove it (solder sucker/wick or soldering iron tip and sponge &c.) and re-apply fresh solder.
[18:04] <cmasta> I keep getting "Journal Aborted" IO erros
[18:05] <Twist-> offbyone: that should be fine for through-hole soldering. Thinner solder is a little easier to work with, but I learned with exactly that.
[18:05] <offbyone> Okay
[18:05] <liyang> And avoid lead-free solder. They suck.
[18:05] <liyang> (But sometimes leaded solder is hard to come by due to various RoHS regulations.)
[18:06] <cmasta> bertrik? is it a hardware issue or a kernel configuration issue?
[18:06] <pksato> http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/05/25/vintage-apple-1-sells-for-record-671400/
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[18:08] <Twist-> offbyone: notice how she's sort of laying the side of the tip across all components here, so the lead and the solder pad on the PCB all have good contact with the iron
[18:08] <offbyone> That's … a good point.
[18:09] <offbyone> I might pick up a training board.
[18:09] <Twist-> if you're just stabbing the point of the tip into something, you won't get good heat transfer
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[18:09] <Bushmills> depends on where you stub it into
[18:09] <Twist-> offbyone: just get some perfboard
[18:10] <Twist-> Bushmills: heh.. sure. Flesh will yield enough to rectify the problem.
[18:10] <Bushmills> stab, of course
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[18:11] <liyang> Sounds like my idea of a fun Sunday evening.
[18:11] * liyang does have solder splatter scars from his teenager days.
[18:11] <Twist-> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TytGOeiW0aE
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[18:14] <Twist-> offbyone: http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=bl_sr_miscellaneous?field-keywords=Veroboard
[18:15] <offbyone> I was just looking at those :)
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[18:16] <strikeru97> hi
[18:16] * liyang isn't sure what the point of stripboards or veroboards are these days anymore. Printing PCBs is so easy / cheap.
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[18:17] <mgottschlag> cheap pcbs are one month away from most countries, and etching is annoying :)
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[18:19] <Cultist> Quick question, how does the pi stand up to long term usage?
[18:19] <pksato> drill holes are to annoying :)
[18:19] <Twist-> liyang: I think through hole generally is only useful as a learning tool.
[18:20] <Cultist> I use an old laptop as my home server right now, running samba, znc, mpd, and a couple other small things. I have a 512mb pi that I've never put to use and I'm thinking about replacing the laptop with the pi
[18:20] <Cultist> just a little concerned about it running 24/7 for 2+ yeas
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[18:20] <Cultist> years*
[18:20] <Twist-> liyang: some of us aren't experienced enough yet to easily crack out working PCB/SMT designs.
[18:21] <Twist-> Cultist: That's a valid concern.
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[18:23] <Twist-> Cultist: People are certainly putting it to a lot of creative uses, but the Pi was intended as an inexpensive educational toy. It's not a rugged embedded device by any stretch of the imagination.
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[18:26] <pksato> Cultist: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=18080
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[18:27] <Cultist> just 49 days?
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[18:28] <Cultist> that's an interesting thread
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[18:34] <nerdboy> moin
[18:35] <RoyK> hrmf
[18:36] <RoyK> how can I reset password on my pi?
[18:36] <Cultist> think there's much chance of a pi shipping with usb 3.0?
[18:36] <RoyK> using raspbian
[18:36] <Cultist> Or would that take too much power
[18:36] <\\Mr_C\\> maybe 10 years from now
[18:36] <\\Mr_C\\> usb 3
[18:36] <\\Mr_C\\> hehe
[18:37] <Cultist> Ok here's a problem with the pi that has annoyed me a bit.
[18:37] <Cultist> When you use a power adapter that supplies enough power to turn the lights on, but not enough to actually make the thing run
[18:37] <steve_rox> boot loop?
[18:38] <nerdboy> RoyK: mount the card and edit /etc/passwd
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[18:38] <hydroxygen> power supply needs to be at least 700ma.. a 1 amp should be enough
[18:38] <steve_rox> with the rpi cam if you can boot the pi somewhat stable the cam gets werid lines and choppyness down it
[18:38] <hydroxygen> anything under 700ma is not usable
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[18:39] <RoyK> nerdboy: ok, so no way to boot into single?
[18:40] <nerdboy> if you can pass "single" to the kernel
[18:40] <steve_rox> starting to think soldering wires onto the board was bad idea , if they somehow break off they are going to short to hell
[18:40] <nerdboy> easy with grub, not so much with u-boot
[18:40] <RoyK> well, no grub here
[18:40] <hydroxygen> the more you hand off the ports, the more power required
[18:40] <nerdboy> just replace the password string with "x"
[18:42] <Cultist> I use powered usb hubs on the pi's ports
[18:42] <nerdboy> with u-boot you'd need to edit the boot script and re-compile it
[18:42] <Cultist> so no extra power should be needed on those
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[18:42] <RoyK> found the pw...
[18:42] <nerdboy> easier to edit /etc/passwd
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[18:44] <Kobzar> hi everyone
[18:44] <nerdboy> actually with rasbian (or anything using shadow passwords) it would be /etc/shadow
[18:44] <steve_rox> hello
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[18:44] <nerdboy> the oe image i've been building doesn't use shadow passwords
[18:47] <Kobzar> i am have a trouble
[18:48] <steve_rox> state your trouble :-P
[18:48] <Kobzar> when i connect to rpi my 3g usb modem (e1550) - rpi is stuck. Why?
[18:48] <steve_rox> low power?
[18:48] <steve_rox> just a wild guess
[18:48] <nerdboy> which usb port? top or bottom?
[18:49] <Kobzar> bottom
[18:49] <nerdboy> mine won't boot with an older bluetooth dongle in the bottom one
[18:49] <Kobzar> ac adapter give 850ma
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[18:49] <nerdboy> works fine in the top
[18:49] <Kobzar> tryed now
[18:50] <Twist-> heh.. if they're going to add anything to the Pi board, I'd like a SATA port.
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[18:53] <SpeedEvil> I would like a datasheet.
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[18:56] <Twist-> I guess there's always the cubieboard
[18:56] <hydroxygen> ^^
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[19:01] <nerdboy> i was thinking beaglebone black
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[19:01] <nerdboy> mostly because i have to build for TI at work...
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[19:09] <darkPassenger> overclocked at 700, how farther can i go without having to use extra tiny heat sink ?
[19:09] <darkPassenger> vcgencmd get_config arm_freq
[19:09] <darkPassenger> sorry
[19:09] <darkPassenger> i dont use the gpu btw, since I compile all the time :P
[19:09] <SpeedEvil> A heatsink will do little - the tehermal impedence to the top of the chip is high
[19:10] <SpeedEvil> If you want to do much - a tiny fan on the bottom of the board.
[19:10] <Mogwai> darkPassenger: 700 is the default btw :)
[19:10] <darkPassenger> oh yeah, my bad, i meant 800 :P
[19:11] <darkPassenger> I guess i could push it to 1ghz without any fan/sink ?
[19:11] <darkPassenger> would that be a fair assumption ?
[19:11] <SpeedEvil> It varies by part
[19:11] <Mogwai> darkPassenger: Yup, heat is usually not a problem .. file system corruption happens tho
[19:12] <darkPassenger> so its not much of a recommended practice I take it ...
[19:13] <darkPassenger> ill just leave it at 800 for now
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[19:13] <darkPassenger> im compiling nodejs on a raspberrypi just now
[19:14] <darkPassenger> that's what initiated my thoughts about overclocking, cause its taking forever
[19:16] <djazz> darkPassenger: for me it took 140 minutes to compile
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[19:16] <djazz> 2 h 20 min
[19:17] <djazz> on "high" overclock
[19:17] <darkPassenger> lol
[19:17] <nerdboy> darkPassenger: up to 1 GHz is supported
[19:18] <nerdboy> full "turbo" is not officially supported
[19:18] <darkPassenger> djazz: on high ~= 1ghz ?
[19:18] <djazz> 950 MHz
[19:18] <darkPassenger> why not the extra 50 ?
[19:18] <djazz> raspbian wont boot
[19:18] <djazz> works great in arch though
[19:18] <darkPassenger> damn
[19:18] <mervaka> because they didn't want you to be that cool.
[19:18] <darkPassenger> lol
[19:18] <darkPassenger> make sense merv
[19:18] <djazz> i get a "more> " prompt
[19:19] <djazz> that i cant type in
[19:19] <darkPassenger> wow
[19:19] <nerdboy> if you set to 1 GHz in config.txt but leave the min_freqs as-is, you can use cpufreq-utils to switch between 700 MHz and 1 GHz
[19:20] <darkPassenger> im currently @ 700 , compiling node at the moment
[19:20] <djazz> or just hold shift and change to ondemand manually?
[19:20] <darkPassenger> its doesnt affect the voltage much does it
[19:20] <djazz> nope
[19:21] <darkPassenger> NICE
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[19:21] <djazz> i dont think so, i run it on battery sometimes
[19:21] <djazz> i can watch movies on it for hours :D
[19:21] <djazz> or whatever
[19:22] <darkPassenger> haha
[19:23] <darkPassenger> does xbian overclock by default ?
[19:23] <djazz> havent tried xbian, only openelec and raspbmc
[19:23] <djazz> i dont think so
[19:23] <darkPassenger> the interface is sweet looking (with themes)
[19:24] <djazz> well
[19:24] <djazz> xbian uses xbmc, so does openelec and raspbmc
[19:24] <darkPassenger> and works with my remote, had I searched better, i wouldnt have bought that logitech/touchpad-keyboard
[19:24] <darkPassenger> yes, of course
[19:24] <djazz> its great :)
[19:25] <darkPassenger> now it lays around my other keyboards lol
[19:26] <darkPassenger> not much use for a rubber dome keyboard these days ...
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[19:29] <darkPassenger> thanks for the info, guys
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[19:32] <cmasta> so are UHS-1 class 10 cards not supported on the pi?
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[19:34] <Martin`> cmasta: check http://elinux.org/RPi_SD_cards for tested sd cards
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[19:36] <blueslee> hello, are here any raspberry pi users from germany which are succesfully running a dvb-t stick on it?
[19:37] <blueslee> i am really struggling, tried different distributions, backends etc
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[19:39] <cmasta> @Martin My card is not listed
[19:39] <blueslee> i am always getting artefacts, thinking of buying a new dvb-t stick, though my yakumo quick stick works perfect on my linux pc, or a new powered hub
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[19:45] <Martin`> cmasta: if not listed then it is possible that it works but it is not tested yet
[19:45] <gordonDrogon> well what a lovely day.
[19:46] <djazz> raining!
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[19:49] <Kobzar> some one used Pidora ? what the system? how it work on rpi ? what is the best choice pidora or raspbian?
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[19:49] <stapper> raspbian is the officel image, i have never been able to boot the fedora image
[19:50] <snowrichard> http://richardsnow.info/files/movie.c.txt
[19:50] <snowrichard> this is a little utility i just wrote that lists the movies in my /share nfs mount .avi and .mp4 movie formats, and runs the media player if I say Y to the file listing.
[19:51] <stapper> exit
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[19:53] <djazz> how can I try out the latest omxplayer?
[19:53] <Kobzar> i cant install raspbian !!! 0_j
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[19:54] <stapper> Kobzar: ?
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[19:54] <Kobzar> i am write image with dd on sd card, next boot my rpi - but cant connect with ssh and contiiue instalation..
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[19:55] <emzi> Is there any list of rasbperry-pi official sellers/retailers in the world?
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[19:57] <gordonDrogon> snowrichard, looks good - are you fairly new to C programming?
[19:57] <djazz> nvm found it
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[19:58] <snowrichard> no I've been programming since 1975
[19:58] <snowrichard> but it was IBM 360 then
[19:59] <nerdboy> to each his own...
[19:59] <nerdboy> i probably would've used bash or python, depending on requirements
[19:59] <snowrichard> the main part of site is richardsnow.info/tiki
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[20:01] <gordonDrogon> snowrichard, ok.. lookup the man pages for opendir readdir - much more efficient that shelling out.
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[20:03] <snowrichard> ok, but for something that only took 10 minutes to write its not too bad.
[20:04] <snowrichard> pi is busy playing a movie now
[20:04] <snowrichard> :)
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[20:06] <nerdboy> snowrichard: if you put it on github with a little readme i can make a recipe for it
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[20:07] <nerdboy> *an openembedded recipe in my meta-raspberrypi layer
[20:07] <snowrichard> well I need to add a command line parameter , path to share
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[20:08] <nerdboy> by all means, you can keep working on it...
[20:08] <nerdboy> just work on a branch and merge to master when feature-complete
[20:08] <nerdboy> i'll make the recipe build off master
[20:08] <snowrichard> haven't used git much
[20:09] <snowrichard> i think i have an account
[20:10] <nerdboy> https://github.com/sarnold/meta-raspberrypi <= i forked this from some other guy
[20:11] <nerdboy> been working on it for a couple of weeks
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[20:12] <snowrichard> ok i just set up a new account with my email address on this server
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[20:17] <snowrichard> I have not tried angstrom on the pi.
[20:17] <snowrichard> I did on beagle before
[20:17] <steve_rox> looks like someone uploaded a bad vid on ripping the IR filter out of rpi cam
[20:18] <IT_Sean_> What do you mean a bad vid?
[20:18] <nerdboy> snowrichard: the current image and package feed are available on my server
[20:18] <steve_rox> its shaky as hell
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[20:19] <nerdboy> http://www.gentoogeek.org/steves_world/raspberrypi_mpd_image_html
[20:19] <IT_Sean_> Oh
[20:19] <nerdboy> you don't have to build iy unless you want to
[20:19] <nerdboy> *it
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[20:22] <apollo> I have a v1 model b I'm trying to drive gpio pin 21(pcm_dout) on… nothing is being written. I have set the pin as output.
[20:22] <apollo> Is there something that has to be set to tell it what function it is. ie. gpio vs pcm_dout?
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[20:24] <apollo> other pins are functioning normally
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[20:30] <gordonDrogon> pcm?
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[20:30] <apollo> http://elinux.org/RPi_Low-level_peripherals
[20:31] <apollo> pulse-code modulation?
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[20:31] <gordonDrogon> I'm not aware of anything that can drive it in pcm mode.
[20:31] <apollo> I want it in gpio mode
[20:32] <apollo> it is not doing anything
[20:32] <gordonDrogon> do you have wiringPi installed?
[20:32] <gordonDrogon> it defaults to normal gpio mode though.
[20:32] <gordonDrogon> if you have wiringPi you can use the gpio command to play with it.
[20:32] <apollo> not using wiringpi… using python gpio library and other pins are working
[20:32] <gordonDrogon> ok.
[20:32] <apollo> will see if wiring can drive it
[20:32] <gordonDrogon> gpio -g mode 21 out
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[20:33] <ParkerR> apollo, gordonDrogon wrote wiringPi :)
[20:33] <gordonDrogon> gpio -g write 21 1 ; gpio -g write 21 0 ...
[20:33] <apollo> are you the wiringPi guy?
[20:33] <gordonDrogon> yea, however going to jump in the bath - back in 25 mins!
[20:33] <Martin`> omg, gordonDrogon is god? :D
[20:33] <apollo> K I gotta download it anyway. Clean up man
[20:34] <apollo> He may be a god if he can make my board work
[20:35] * Martin` only uses 5v, ground en txd/rxd of the gpio
[20:36] * Armand plugs Martin` into a 240v outlet..
[20:36] * Martin` starts to glow
[20:37] * IT_Sean_ unplugs Martin
[20:37] <Martin`> tnx
[20:38] <IT_Sean_> Np
[20:38] <IT_Sean_> Armand: mains voltage = not a toy!
[20:38] * Armand bites tongue...
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[20:40] <Martin`> happy we have max 230v in the netherlands :P
[20:40] <Martin`> (in homes)
[20:40] <apollo> Martin`: I was just in that fine country. I was happier you had bike bath between cities.
[20:41] <apollo> the 230v thing was kind of a pain
[20:41] <Martin`> why?
[20:41] <apollo> also the round plugs...
[20:41] <Martin`> sadly there is no world standard :(
[20:41] <apollo> Indeed.
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[20:42] <Martin`> happy this plug is almost anywhere in europe :P
[20:42] <Bushmills> you're bathing your bikes in the NL???
[20:42] <Bushmills> geinig, hoor
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[20:42] <Martin`> ik wou het niet zeggen
[20:43] <IT_Sean_> Please stick to English in #raspberrypi
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[20:43] <Martin`> IT_Sean_: ok :)
[20:43] * IT_Sean_ is now known as IT_Sean
[20:43] <Martin`> don't kcik me :(
[20:43] <IT_Sean> Thanks
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[20:43] <KanjiMonster> Martin`: be lucky that you are not in japan; they have two grids, one with 50Hz and one with 60Hz ;)
[20:44] <IT_Sean> If I was going to kick you, you'd already be gone :p
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[20:48] <Martin`> IT_Sean: but you did had op yet :P
[20:48] <Martin`> did not
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[20:48] <Martin`> KanjiMonster: why is that usefull?
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[20:49] <lolbat> Why use rasberry pi when there is cubieboard?
[20:49] <KanjiMonster> Martin`: it isn't at all, the grids just grew that way because the first generators installed in the 19th century in oasaka and tokyo used different frequencies
[20:50] <Martin`> ok
[20:50] <KanjiMonster> the devision is between east japan and west japan
[20:50] <Martin`> lolbat: why cubieboard when there is raspberry pi?
[20:50] <lolbat> Also, I cant find a single sensical and usefull thing to use the pi for :/
[20:51] <lolbat> Martin`: SATA, more ram, more cpu, and better I/O, pretty much the same price.
[20:51] <Martin`> hmm I see :)
[20:52] <Martin`> no power for sata device? :(
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[20:52] <lolbat> Martin`: I am sure there is a way to power it
[20:52] <lolbat> I SO want a box with cubieboard, and room for one 3,5".
[20:52] <Martin`> it looks nice :)
[20:52] <lolbat> Dump it at my grandparents and voila, safe backup
[20:53] <Martin`> and cute
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[20:55] <lolbat> Yeah, the case must look decent, not like something I shacked together by old wires and duct tape
[20:55] <lolbat> Use their nighttime bandwith and voila
[20:55] <Martin`> lol
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[20:58] <Martin`> maybe there will be a new pi soon
[20:58] <Martin`> and we call it apple pi
[20:58] <Martin`> or not, hmm
[20:59] <lolbat> theyd call it iP
[20:59] <IT_Sean> Howabout.no
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[21:01] <lolbat> now I want to register that
[21:01] <Martin`> :P
[21:01] <Martin`> a faster raspberry pi should be nice. But I don't need it faster at the moment :)
[21:02] <lolbat> What do you use it for?
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[21:02] <Martin`> switch my lights
[21:02] <lolbat> I connect to mine, have a terminal open, but I've never run anything else than htop and raspi-config
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[21:02] <Martin`> and recieve p2000 messages (messages of the dutch emergency services)
[21:05] <apollo> gordonDrogon: this also fails on pin 21 but works on 17
[21:05] <NullMoogleCable> hi
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[21:07] <NullMoogleCable> has anyone written a spi lcd driver for the ST7735R that you can use on the pi?
[21:07] <djazz> my pi "desktop" (wm): http://i.imgur.com/22uf81m.jpg :)
[21:08] <djazz> using Awesome
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[21:11] <djazz> wb
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[21:12] <SpeedEvil> https://twitter.com/daveake/status/338731412377186304
[21:12] <SpeedEvil> hi pi
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[21:13] <apollo> gordonDrogon: it is not writing the pin in software...
[21:13] <apollo> one sec I will paste bin the gpio -v
[21:14] <gordonDrogon> ok
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[21:14] <gordonDrogon> NullMoogleCable, I've done something similar for a slightly different display chip on the Pi, but it's still under wrappers for now, so it's not impossible to do!
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[21:15] <apollo> gordonDrogon: http://paste.debian.net/6721/
[21:16] <gordonDrogon> | 2 | 21 | 13 | GPIO 2 | OUT | Low |
[21:16] <gordonDrogon> do you have anything shorting the pin/
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[21:17] <apollo> not that I know of
[21:17] <apollo> just a bare board right now will take a look for junk in the circuit
[21:17] <gordonDrogon> very odd - I do it and see:
[21:17] <gordonDrogon> gordon @ pi0: gpio -g mode 21 out
[21:17] <gordonDrogon> gordon @ pi0: gpio -g write 21 1
[21:17] <gordonDrogon> gordon @ pi0: gpio readall | fgrep 21
[21:17] <gordonDrogon> | 2 | 21 | 13 | GPIO 2 | OUT | High |
[21:18] <apollo> looks like there are unpopulated resistors adjacent to the gpio header
[21:18] <gordonDrogon> if you have nothing connected to it then try this: cd ~/wiringPi/gpio ; ./pintest
[21:20] <gordonDrogon> that tests the inputs rather than outputs, but it might show something.
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[21:21] <netman87> maxinux, yes v4l is available on all linux distros. but rpi camera doesnt support it atm
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[21:23] <djazz> can I use the gpu to stream what's being shown on hdmi/composite output to another computer?
[21:23] <apollo> gordonDrogon: it faulted on gpio 2 and 3
[21:23] <djazz> similar to how the pi cam works but using the video output instead
[21:23] <djazz> to encode to h264
[21:23] <apollo> which is 21 and 22...
[21:24] <gordonDrogon> gpio 2 & 3 are bcm_gpio pins 21 & 22 ...
[21:24] <apollo> yeah...
[21:24] <gordonDrogon> looks like there could be something connected to them, or something wrong with the drivers.
[21:24] <gordonDrogon> (and wow - pintest finds a fault - that could well be the first one, other than ones I've not engineered to fail! :)
[21:25] <apollo> thanks.
[21:26] <gordonDrogon> ah well - good luck with it! If you have another Pi, then do compare the results, and if it's new out the box, then consider reporting it faulty too.
[21:26] <apollo> will try this setup in a different pi I guess… nothing is obviously grounding those pines.
[21:26] <gordonDrogon> ok
[21:26] <gordonDrogon> and I'm going to watch some telly now...
[21:26] <gordonDrogon> laters!
[21:26] <apollo> its not new, but has been in a case for a long time running xvmc :P
[21:26] <apollo> cheers. thanks again
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[21:34] <apollo> gordonDrogon: yeah it works on a different pi
[21:37] <djazz> I'll (probably) get my pi camera tomorrow :)
[21:37] <djazz> anyone know how to stream it so many can watch?
[21:37] <djazz> I know how to use ffmpeg to stream to twitch.tv, streaming desktop
[21:38] <djazz> or a mp4 stream over http
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[21:40] <snowrichard> nerd i have installed your angstrom image and i'm in xchat in it
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[21:40] <snowrichard> nerdboy i mean
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[21:46] <djazz> Tune in to my raspberry pi-hosted web radio (analogue output): omxplayer -o local http://djazz.mine.nu:1338/stream
[21:46] <djazz> :D
[21:46] <Chaz6> Aw no ipv6 :(
[21:47] <djazz> blame my isp :P
[21:49] <JakeSays> bah. no isight-firmware-tools!
[21:51] <user82> would somebody be so nice to send me a config.txt with turbo mode enabled withing the warranty?
[21:51] <user82> i do not find it online
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[21:54] <user82> like this? http://pastebin.com/Az6TnBTG
[21:54] <nerdboy> and yet he's already gone...
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[21:59] <Firehopper> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/435742530/udoo-android-linux-arduino-in-a-tiny-single-board?ref=card < 4 rpi + ardunio due on one board :)
[22:00] <Tachyon`> actually it's more like 8-12 pis as far as cpu speed goes
[22:00] <JakeSays> so are the debian contrib archives available by default?
[22:00] <Tachyon`> as it's a newer arm
[22:00] <Tachyon`> contrib and non-free should be present
[22:01] <JakeSays> is there anything i need to do to get access to them?
[22:04] <JakeSays> i see this in lsusb: Apple, Inc. Built-in iSight (no firmware loaded)
[22:04] <JakeSays> the no firmware loaded - is that firmware on the camera?
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[22:09] <Slash_Fury> Hey, has anyone else had trouble with running Cacti and having their Pi lock up?
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[22:10] <jondot> Slash_Fury, there are some old firmware bugs for measuring temp, if cacti is doing it, may be a point to look at.
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[22:11] <Slash_Fury> I don't believe I'm currently measuring/graphing that
[22:12] <djazz> how can I make midori default browser instead of dillo or whats it's called?
[22:12] <Slash_Fury> I have memory, disk space, load average, users, and processes at the moment
[22:13] <Slash_Fury> I suppose it's worth noting that this is also running transmission
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[22:15] <djazz> nvm found this: update-alternatives --config x-www-browser
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[22:16] <djazz> anyone listening to my pi radio?
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[22:17] <user82> hi. my raspbery pi running on arch sometimes executes commands really really slow after i hit enter. where could the problem be? no cpu load, ssh connecntion is very good
[22:17] <Ely_arp> i am trying your radio....
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[22:17] <Slash_Fury> I'm currently ssh'ing into my device; any ideas on which logs might be useful in figuring out my trouble?
[22:17] <djazz> Ely_arp: trying? listening or setting up your own?
[22:18] <Ely_arp> no trying to listen but new zealand is fAR AWAY
[22:18] <Ely_arp> the bits still not arriving
[22:18] <IT_Sean> Depends on where you are.
[22:18] <djazz> ah
[22:18] <Ely_arp> are you sucking bits from my computer?
[22:19] <djazz> well, there's nothing wrong with my upspeed/latency
[22:19] <Ely_arp> like 30 secs now
[22:19] <Ely_arp> still connecting
[22:19] <djazz> using omxplayer?
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[22:19] <Ely_arp> oh no just using forefox
[22:19] <djazz> ah
[22:19] <djazz> firefox doesnt support MP3 ;D
[22:19] <Ely_arp> ok let me change player
[22:20] <djazz> or use the flash player
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[22:21] <Ely_arp> djazz...ok now works love is in bloom
[22:21] <mrkurtz> so i decided to reimage my SD card and start from scratch. was this a mistake? is the SD slot really that sketchy?
[22:22] <Ely_arp> sc card seems to corrupt a lot
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[22:22] <IT_Sean> The SD shouldn't corrupt that often. are you OC'd?
[22:22] <mrkurtz> cuz i got write errors w/ win32 disk imager, can't mount in win7, centos 6.4, crunchbang, all using builtin readers and a usb reader
[22:22] <Ely_arp> well when you oc
[22:22] <mrkurtz> not oc'd
[22:22] <Ely_arp> and depends on sd
[22:23] <djazz> my SD cards isnt supported in the linux kernel anymore
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[22:23] <djazz> but they work great on the pi
[22:23] <djazz> (Kingston, class 10, 8GB)
[22:23] <mrkurtz> i got one that i'd seen others used fine
[22:23] <djazz> Ely_arp: you can set up your own radio server on your pi ;)
[22:24] <user82> ouch ro filesystem...strange
[22:24] <Ely_arp> may try...
[22:24] <mrkurtz> think it was transcend class 10 32gb
[22:24] <Ely_arp> b
[22:24] <Ely_arp> djazz use twonky server on the pi for home use
[22:24] <djazz> Ely_arp: I dont have any instructions and I havent tested Raspbian
[22:24] <Ely_arp> works wekk
[22:24] <Ely_arp> well
[22:24] <djazz> twonky?
[22:24] <Ely_arp> one of the few pay sw i use
[22:25] <Ely_arp> have been using for years now on an slug and now on the pi
[22:26] <djazz> aha
[22:26] <djazz> I'm just using icecast for streaming
[22:26] <djazz> works great
[22:27] <djazz> mrkurtz: I have a Transcend class 10 16 gb, no problems
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[22:30] <mrkurtz> first image i did went down no problem. case of card seems fine. decided i wanted to reimage and start from scratch, shutdown properly, pulled card and put into desktop to reimage, got errors, etc. finally used dd on my linux laptop, seemed to work (even zeroed out the card first), but now rpi doesn't boot
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[22:32] <Ely_arp> sd cards dont seem the most reliable things on the world
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[22:35] <mrkurtz> and... blew out partitions, did a fresh dd of the image on my laptop, and even though i couldn't mount the obviously partitions there, it just booted rpi
[22:36] <mrkurtz> here's to hoping that rev c has a different disk setup than sd card
[22:36] <djazz> sd cards are very handy though
[22:37] <mrkurtz> sure, lots of things are. however they're not very reliable, there seems to be some questionable interaction between the rpi sd slot and sd cards in general, and when that could lead to corruption of your OS partitions, then yeah, maybe time to consider something else
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[22:38] <mrkurtz> anyway, just a thought. i know i'm not the only one who's ever had SD card issues
[22:39] <djazz> i'd like to see a faster sd slot on the pi
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[22:39] * IT_Sean has never had SD card issues
[22:39] <djazz> I had a corrupt once, and it was with the rev1 B board on turbo playing quake
[22:39] <Ely_arp> what is good sd card can be backed up and quickly copied....and they are cheap
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[22:40] <Ely_arp> and the SD card seems to be slower than a normal HD when writing or read
[22:41] <Ely_arp> 6-10 MB/s on a HD and the SD is a lot slower
[22:41] <mrkurtz> if i'm using my rpi headless, can i allocate 0mb to gpu memory?
[22:42] <djazz> no
[22:42] <djazz> the gpu boots the cpu
[22:42] <mrkurtz> ah
[22:42] <mrkurtz> what's a good min then, you think?
[22:42] <djazz> minimium is 16 or 32, cant remember
[22:42] <mrkurtz> k
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[22:44] <JakeSays> is there a console tool i can use to take a snapshot from a webcam?
[22:44] <djazz> what is a good terminal font? the lxde in raspbian is hard to read imo (monospace)
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[22:45] <djazz> JakeSays: regular webcam? i use mjpg_streamer
[22:45] <djazz> it can take snapshots and stream
[22:45] <djazz> make timelapses too
[22:45] <JakeSays> djazz: um, not sure how regular it is - its an apple isight from a macbook
[22:46] <djazz> well, usb cam?
[22:46] <djazz> not a pi cam
[22:46] <JakeSays> yes, usb cam
[22:46] <IT_Sean> The internal camera modules from the Macbook / MacBook Pro / iMac lines were USB base,d yes.
[22:46] <JakeSays> IT_Sean: yes
[22:47] <IT_Sean> JakeSays, that was a statement, not a question. :p
[22:47] <JakeSays> lol oh
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[22:47] <IT_Sean> :p
[22:48] <rburton-> Anyone recommend a good breakout board for raspberry pi?
[22:48] <JakeSays> djazz: which pkg is mjpg_streamer in, or did you have to build it?
[22:48] <rburton-> Looking to control two servos and a solenoid valve
[22:48] <ShiftPlusOne> a breadboard and some wires.
[22:48] <djazz> JakeSays: idk if it's in the raspbian repo
[22:49] <JakeSays> rburton-: how are you driving the servos?
[22:49] <rburton-> software that I'm going to write
[22:49] <rburton-> that uses opencv :)
[22:49] <JakeSays> rburton-: no, hardware wise
[22:49] <rburton-> research :D
[22:49] <rburton-> not clue yet
[22:49] <ShiftPlusOne> These are really handy https://dx.com/p/male-to-female-dupont-breadboard-jumper-wires-for-arduino-40-piece-pack-20cm-length-146935
[22:50] <djazz> JakeSays: http://www.instructables.com/id/Create-an-internet-controlled-robot-using-Livebots/step5/Get-the-webcam-streamer-for-Raspberry-Pi/
[22:50] <JakeSays> rburton-: http://www.phidgets.com/ - they make a line of usb controllers for servos and steppers
[22:51] <rburton-> what's a stepper?
[22:51] <JakeSays> stepper motor
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[22:51] <JakeSays> djazz: ah thanks!
[22:51] <rburton-> book marked it :) thanks
[22:52] <djazz> JakeSays: I always use that program to livestream the camera to the web
[22:52] <djazz> with raspicam it will be different though
[22:53] <JakeSays> djazz: excellent - thats what i'm ultimately trying to do
[22:53] <djazz> JakeSays: cool :D
[22:53] <djazz> JakeSays: to embed the camera stream, just use a regular <img>-tag in html
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[22:55] <JakeSays> djazz: have to get the camera working first though
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[22:55] <djazz> JakeSays: is a cam module loaded? lsmod
[22:56] <JakeSays> this cam: http://e.asaxen.com/images/Stock/Recycling/cameraHack/CameraHack_01.jpg
[22:56] <rburton-> bbl
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[22:56] <djazz> oh, nice
[22:57] <JakeSays> djazz: what would a cam module be named? i dont see anything obvious in lsmod
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[22:57] <djazz> JakeSays: plug it out, check lsmod, plug it in, check lsmod
[22:57] <djazz> also after plugging in, dmesg | tail
[22:59] <JakeSays> uvcvideo: UVC non compliance - GET_DEF(PROBE) not supported. Enabling workaround.
[22:59] <djazz> enabling workaround XD
[22:59] <JakeSays> the loaded modules didnt change
[23:00] <JakeSays> maybe its isight_firmware
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[23:00] <djazz> i dont know, my eyetoy cam worked out of the box
[23:01] <JakeSays> i had to build some firmware tools for this one - apparently the device firmware needs to be installed
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[23:09] <JakeSays> djazz: so when you say just use an <img> tag, the image will need to be refreshed often then?
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[23:15] <djazz> JakeSays: the browser handle that
[23:15] <djazz> it's an mjpeg stream
[23:15] <djazz> its supported by most browsers
[23:15] <JakeSays> huh. ok cool.
[23:16] <djazz> mjpeg has a snapshot mode, then you get a regular jpg-image
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[23:16] <djazz> in the browser
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[23:16] <djazz> mjpg_streamer has a snapshot mode*
[23:17] <user82> can someone please send me a config with proper turbo mode setup? thanks
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[23:18] <djazz> user82: Turbo 1000MHz ARM, 500MHz core, 600MHz SDRAM, 6 overvolt
[23:18] <djazz> thats what raspi-config says
[23:19] <user82> thanks
[23:19] <djazz> user82: arm_freq=1000, core_freq=500, sdram_freq=500, over_voltage=6
[23:20] <djazz> each on their own line
[23:21] <user82> if it stopped booting what could i have done wrong? the ok flashes and than it is dead...
[23:21] <djazz> hmm
[23:22] <user82> file systems are in tact..config.txt changes reverted
[23:22] <djazz> connect a display :P
[23:22] <djazz> try increase the gpu memory
[23:22] <djazz> 32 or 64
[23:22] <djazz> or even more
[23:22] <user82> that could be it! how much is needed?
[23:22] <djazz> i use 32 and turbo
[23:22] <user82> maybe 32 messed it up..
[23:22] <djazz> it wont boot if i have 16
[23:23] <user82> oh :(. i have 32
[23:23] <djazz> (arch linux arm)
[23:23] <djazz> try 64 or 128
[23:23] <user82> did an update..maybe the linux image is faulty too
[23:23] <djazz> rpi-update?
[23:24] <user82> gpu memory 64 it is..thanks djazz
[23:24] <user82> no also arch...pacman -Syu
[23:24] <djazz> np ;D
[23:24] <djazz> rpi-update sometimes leaves me in unbootable state
[23:24] <djazz> on arch
[23:24] <djazz> now im back on Raspbian
[23:26] <user82> is the OC temperatur or current based?
[23:26] <djazz> temperature?
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[23:26] <user82> ok good. installed a small aluminum cooler on my cpu/gpu
[23:26] <[Saint]> What do you mean, the OC failsafe?
[23:27] <[Saint]> If so, then, yes. It is indeed temperature limited.
[23:27] <snowrichard> made a revision to the movie program. http://richardsnow.info/files/movie2.c.txt -- this has an optional command line arg path to share.
[23:27] <user82> [Saint], yes with force turbo 0
[23:27] <djazz> it will go back to default clock if temperature goes above 85 degrees celcius, i think
[23:27] * [Saint] nods
[23:27] <djazz> unless you force
[23:27] <[Saint]> ANd it'll shut down at 90
[23:28] <djazz> ah
[23:28] <djazz> i saw somone used his pi at minus 100 degrees
[23:28] <[Saint]> It will disable OC and overvolting at 85 iirc, and shut down at 90.
[23:28] <SpeedEvil> Today someone was using theirs at -40C
[23:28] <snowrichard> better be waterproof encloseure lol
[23:29] <[Saint]> The CPU/GPU can handle that, but, things like ethernet and a few other components on the board aren't rated anywhere enar that temp.
[23:29] <SpeedEvil> http://i.imgur.com/9H02fEU.jpg
[23:29] <[Saint]> *near
[23:29] <SpeedEvil> Picture from above Pi
[23:29] <SpeedEvil> Very above
[23:29] <djazz> user82: useful command to see core temperature: cat /sys/class/thermal/thermal_zone0/temp
[23:29] <djazz> SpeedEvil: yeah its cool :D
[23:29] <SpeedEvil> With Pi camera.
[23:30] <djazz> how high up?
[23:30] <[Saint]> Generally speaking, I don't think seeing the temperature is very useful at all. People seem to think it is, but, really...it just does all the owrrying for you.
[23:30] <[Saint]> dammit. *worrying
[23:30] <djazz> i heard that trying to cool it isnt very neccecary, unless you're in a hot enviroment
[23:31] <[Saint]> Seeing the temperature might be "fun" for the curious, but, really..not terribly useful.
[23:31] <[Saint]> djazz: because of the way it looks after itself, even then, it isn't very necessary.
[23:31] <user82> thanks djazz
[23:31] <[Saint]> I've played with some serious cooling, but only because I was trying to OC up past 1.4GHz
[23:31] <[Saint]> I got to 1.39GHZ
[23:31] <djazz> [Saint]: sysmonitor of my pi: http://djazz.mine.nu/lab/cpuinfo/
[23:32] <SpeedEvil> djazz: probably about 30km
[23:32] <djazz> atm around 46 C
[23:32] <djazz> [Saint]: cool
[23:32] <SpeedEvil> djazz: maybe as much as 39
[23:32] <[Saint]> I popped three units in the process, though. :)
[23:32] <djazz> [Saint]: xD
[23:32] <[Saint]> Pi smoke == green.
[23:33] <[Saint]> :)
[23:33] <user82> degree celius *1000 in the thermal file?
[23:33] <djazz> user82: yes
[23:33] <[Saint]> I tried telling it that the approved raspberry colors are red and/or blue, but, it didn't wanna listen.
[23:33] <user82> what is a good stress test? dd something from urandom to nul?
[23:34] <djazz> user82: play quake while compiling multiple stuff
[23:34] <djazz> :D
[23:34] <djazz> idk
[23:34] <user82> djazz, no display :D
[23:34] <user82> will try it out and see what temps i get
[23:35] <djazz> the highest i've got is around 60 degrees
[23:35] <djazz> and I have my pi in a plastic case, pibow
[23:35] <djazz> no cooling
[23:35] <djazz> and full overclock
[23:36] <djazz> anyone want to set up a webradio server on their pi?
[23:36] <user82> mine is stuck at 44..
[23:36] <djazz> I'll attempt in raspbian
[23:36] <user82> maybe i could go higher without warranty
[23:37] <djazz> i have 54 C
[23:37] <[Saint]> There's really no reason for a casual user to void the warranty.
[23:37] <[Saint]> 1GHz is quite enough, and rather unsafe as it is.
[23:37] <djazz> well, its not as if it's hard to get a new pi, its so cheap
[23:37] <djazz> if you brick it
[23:37] <user82> that is realtive..especially if you are a student like me.
[23:38] <pengu> <- 900/920, 56 C
[23:38] <djazz> im studying too, I have five pi's
[23:38] <djazz> right now four are online
[23:38] <[Saint]> Well, unless you have some reasonable cooling...espect it to be VERY unstable anywhere past 1GHZ.
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[23:38] <user82> i will probably get a 512m model..if even
[23:39] <djazz> user82: you have 256 model b?
[23:39] <djazz> rev1 or 2?
[23:39] <user82> yep..let me check!
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[23:39] <djazz> rev2 have holes, right?
[23:39] <djazz> or was that later?
[23:40] <[Saint]> There's no later.
[23:40] <user82> so i need to check for mounting holes in the PCB?
[23:40] * djazz is from the future >:)
[23:40] <[Saint]> It should be printed right on the board.
[23:40] <[Saint]> But the mounting holes make it obvious.
[23:41] <djazz> i have almost all kinds of the pi
[23:41] <djazz> rev 1, rev 2, 256, 512, model a
[23:41] * [Saint] maintains that *he* is from the future:
[23:41] <[Saint]> saint@saint-desktop:~$ date
[23:41] <[Saint]> Mon May 27 09:41:07 NZST 2013
[23:41] <djazz> NZ :D
[23:41] <[Saint]> Ha! :P
[23:41] <user82> rev1 for me
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[23:42] <djazz> still sunday here
[23:42] <djazz> for 15 more minutes
[23:43] <user82> wow arch has dumped python2 already
[23:44] <djazz> yeah "python" package is 3 by default
[23:44] <djazz> you have to add 2
[23:44] <JakeSays> djazz: cam wont work with mjpg-streamer, but does work with fswebcam
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[23:45] <djazz> JakeSays: ah, k
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[23:46] <[Saint]> what? why...
[23:46] <[Saint]> Doesn't python3 just add a symlink for 2 and 1 anyway?
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[23:47] <[Saint]> I can't think of a reason to *actually* have python2 and 3 together, as the latter is supposed to be entirely backward compatible.
[23:47] <djazz> i cant run pi-yt with python3
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[23:48] <djazz> i think
[23:48] <[Saint]> You might want to check if said symlinks are in place, then.
[23:48] <djazz> im not on arch atm
[23:48] <[Saint]> AFAIK it should be entirely backward compatible.
[23:50] <user82> [Saint], how is python3 backward compatible? can you tell it "please use python2 environment"?
[23:51] <[Saint]> I'm not even sure you need to tell it explicitely.
[23:51] <djazz> if I were to learn python, should I go with 2.7 or 3?
[23:51] <djazz> :P
[23:51] * djazz should really learn python
[23:51] <user82> yeah python3 breaks when you feed it some python2 commands
[23:52] <user82> djazz, i think python2 gets dumped pretty soon..i think it mostly exists because some programs were not adopted yet?
[23:52] <djazz> k
[23:52] <djazz> I just love node.js too much
[23:53] <djazz> i made a command line spotify player for the pi with node
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[23:53] <user82> nice
[23:53] <djazz> uses libspotify, can search and play top result
[23:53] <JakeSays> djazz: hmm. my logitech works fine with mjpg-streamer
[23:54] <user82> djazz, i should hook it up to the (illegal) fm transmitter :D
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[23:54] <user82> libspotify? sounds great
[23:54] <djazz> user82: that would be very easy to do
[23:54] <djazz> user82: yeah, spotify released libspotify for the epi
[23:54] <djazz> rpi
[23:55] <user82> wow spotify is great. their android app is trash but respect for publishing a linux client and api
[23:55] <djazz> user82: http://pastebin.com/dntPx5he
[23:55] <djazz> instructions and code
[23:55] <djazz> for Arch
[23:55] <djazz> why is nodejs SO OUTDATED on the pi?
[23:56] <user82> thanks
[23:56] <djazz> 0.6.9 in the repo
[23:56] <djazz> 0.10.8 is latest
[23:56] <djazz> takes 2.5 hours to compile
[23:56] <djazz> :(
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[23:57] <djazz> i like arch, all packages are the latest version
[23:57] <[Saint]> That is why sensible people created crosscompiling.
[23:57] <djazz> and easy to install from aur
[23:57] <djazz> i havent found a ppa for nodejs for the pi yet :/
[23:58] <[Saint]> compiling on the pi is something you should only do if you absolutely cannot avoid it.
[23:58] <[Saint]> there's no benefit to be had in doing so.
[23:58] * djazz always compile on the pi :)
[23:58] <[Saint]> You like wasting time, then? :)
[23:58] <djazz> i did it over night
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[23:59] <user82> 52�
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