#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2013-05-27

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[0:01] <user82> 42mb memory usage while compiling..linux without gui on arm is a whole lot different from the huge desktop distros
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[0:02] <[Saint]> depending on what you're compiling, wait until linking time and watch it swap itself to death! :P
[0:02] <user82> :D
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[0:03] <user82> i have no swap enabled yet..i hope it does not break :(
[0:03] <user82> forgot to do so
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[0:08] <[Saint]> user82: install dphys-swapfile
[0:08] <[Saint]> No messy partitions, expands and contracts as necessary.
[0:08] <user82> [Saint], i made one myself. what does this program do?
[0:09] <[Saint]> "man dphys-swapfile"
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[0:10] <user82> debian/ubuntu specific [Saint] but thanks for telling me
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[0:10] <djazz> tune in to my pi radio ;) omxplayer http://djazz.mine.nu:1338/stream
[0:11] <Tachyon`> omxplayer supports streams? hrm, how about video streams
[0:11] <djazz> Tachyon`: omxplayer works great with youtube
[0:11] <djazz> for example
[0:11] <user82> works
[0:11] <Tachyon`> eh? how?
[0:11] <Tachyon`> oh never mind, I'll just try it
[0:11] <djazz> Tachyon`: omxplayer <url>
[0:11] <djazz> use youtube-dl to get the url
[0:11] <Tachyon`> ah right
[0:11] <djazz> wait, i have a fancy command for you
[0:12] <Tachyon`> I sense shell magic
[0:12] <djazz> yep
[0:12] <user82> used omxplayer to stream a infinite snowflake video around christmas..it was the only player with gpu support back then iirc.
[0:12] <user82> besides the xbmc
[0:12] <ParkerR> sudo wget http://youtube-dl.org/downloads/2013.05.23/youtube-dl -O /usr/local/bin/youtube-dl
[0:12] <ParkerR> sudo chmod a+x /usr/local/bin/youtube-dl
[0:12] <djazz> omxplayer $(youtube-dl -f 38/37/46/22/35/34/18/6/5/17/13 -g "$1")
[0:12] <ShiftPlusOne> user82, what others are there now?
[0:12] <ParkerR> omxplayer $(youtube-dl youtubeurl)
[0:12] <ParkerR> djazz, LD
[0:12] <djazz> usage: ./omxyt.sh <youtube url/youtube video id>
[0:12] <user82> ShiftPlusOne, good question ^^
[0:12] <djazz> LD?
[0:12] <[Saint]> user82: dphys-swapfile isn't debian-esque.
[0:13] <ParkerR> djazz, Heh meant :D
[0:13] * suehle (~rsuehle@fedora/suehle) Quit (Read error: Operation timed out)
[0:13] <djazz> my command picks the highest resolution available :D
[0:13] <djazz> 1080p, 720, 480...
[0:13] <user82> hmh cannot see it for arch [Saint] :(
[0:13] <ShiftPlusOne> user82, I don't think there are any that are usable. I wouln't draw much of a distinction (other than the obvious) between xbmc and omxplayer either, since omxplayer comes from xbmc.
[0:13] <ParkerR> djazz, umm youtube-dl by default does the highest res
[0:14] <djazz> ParkerR: it does?
[0:14] <djazz> hmm
[0:14] <ParkerR> djazz, Question is you know how to play only a certain res?
[0:14] <djazz> not when I started testing with it last year
[0:14] <ParkerR> djazz, That was one issue I had
[0:14] <djazz> ParkerR: look up youtube's quality codes
[0:14] <ParkerR> IT always picked the highest res so on slower networks it was unusable
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[0:15] <ParkerR> djazz, Never got the -f to work. Might try again
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[0:15] <djazz> ParkerR: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YouTube#Quality_and_codecs
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[0:17] <djazz> running midori chromeless is so nice with Awesome
[0:18] <djazz> its like fullscreen, in it's own tile
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[0:20] <user82> djazz, when i build from yaourt does the arch need to be "armv6h"?
[0:20] <user82> do you happen to know
[0:20] <Tachyon`> ah yes, it's able to play video from my server too, wonder if I could have lynx call omxplayer as an external handler for video types
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[0:20] <djazz> user82: yeah, i always edit PKGCONFIG and add that
[0:20] <user82> is that armv6 with hardfloat?
[0:21] <djazz> armv6h
[0:21] <Tachyon`> h? hand?
[0:21] <djazz> add 'armv6h'
[0:21] <user82> yep it works..building x264 to see what it can do :D
[0:21] <ParkerR> djazz, Thanks for the tip. Now I can save bandwidth when needed :)
[0:21] <djazz> ParkerR: xD
[0:22] <[Saint]> user82: apologies, there's a high chance I compiled it myself or acquired it from <some_source_I_don't_recall>
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[0:23] <ozzzy> anyone feel up to proof-reading a document
[0:24] <Tachyon`> not at 11:23pm
[0:24] <ShiftPlusOne> ozzzy, I'll proof read yours if you proof read mine O_o
[0:24] <Tachyon`> I can barely read
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[0:24] * Admarcel (~WhiteRabb@unaffiliated/admarcel) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[0:24] <ozzzy> ShiftPlusOne: sounds like a deal to me
[0:24] <ozzzy> pm?
[0:25] <user82> [Saint], not a problem..i set it up manually now. just need to test it later with fstab
[0:25] <ShiftPlusOne> yup, but I am still in between that stage where I don't have a document and the stage where it needs to be proof read.
[0:25] <ozzzy> okie dokely
[0:25] <ozzzy> LOL
[0:25] * ozzzy managed to not brick his pi.... it's amazing
[0:25] * zoktar (~zoktar@unaffiliated/zoktar) Quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
[0:26] * [Saint] thinks ozzzy simple isn't trying hard enough.
[0:26] <[Saint]> C'mon...if I can pop three of them, you can pop at *least* one... ;)
[0:26] <Tachyon`> you killed 3 pis?!
[0:26] <Tachyon`> how?
[0:26] <ozzzy> [Saint]: one popped last week
[0:27] <[Saint]> Tachyon`: trying to get to 2X OC.
[0:28] <ParkerR> O.o
[0:28] <Tachyon`> erm
[0:28] <ozzzy> turns out that it doesn't like 12v on the power supply
[0:28] <[Saint]> I got to 1.39 stable...1.4GHz...nope.
[0:28] <Tachyon`> 1024 really is the absolute limit
[0:28] <[Saint]> Nah.
[0:28] <[Saint]> That's wussy talk.
[0:28] <[Saint]> :P
[0:28] <Tachyon`> really? 1GHz isn't enough?
[0:28] <Tachyon`> lol
[0:28] <Tachyon`> still, 1.39 is impressive
[0:28] <ParkerR> Tape two Pis together. Make a dual core
[0:28] <Tachyon`> wonder if I could get 1.28
[0:28] <[Saint]> Not when you're deliberately trying to push it to its limits, no.
[0:29] <ParkerR> *together
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[0:29] <Tachyon`> what overvolt value were you using? 6?
[0:29] <[Saint]> I set out knowing that I would kill at least a few units in the name of "science".
[0:29] * wiiguy (~fake@unaffiliated/wiiguy) Quit (Quit: I just broke my connection, but no worries, we can rebuild it. We have the technology.)
[0:29] <[Saint]> Tachyon`: Indeed.
[0:29] <Tachyon`> excuse me as I tweak my settings
[0:30] <[Saint]> I might still have the config I was using.
[0:30] <user82> [Saint], do you just have a magic box where raspberry's come from?
[0:30] <djazz> is it possible to only play audio with omxplayer? disable the video
[0:30] <ParkerR> djazz, But yeah if you are just wanting highest quality selection youtube-dl does that by default :)
[0:30] <[Saint]> user82: No, just semi-disposable income and a lot of time.
[0:30] <user82> djazz, killall Xorg :P?
[0:30] <djazz> user82: omxplayer dont use X
[0:30] <ParkerR> djazz, mplayer is more suited for audio
[0:30] <djazz> it uses the GPU
[0:30] <djazz> ok
[0:30] <[Saint]> Bowel cancer screwed me over, so I get to poke at things all day now instead of...y'know, work, and stuff.
[0:30] <user82> oh ok..
[0:31] <Tachyon`> err, what do I echo to where to enable the performance governor?
[0:31] <djazz> I made a tool last year that lets you remotely play youtube videos on your pi
[0:31] <ParkerR> Tachyon`, sudo apt-get install cpufrequtils
[0:31] <djazz> you can try it here: http://djazz.mine.nu:7000/
[0:31] <ParkerR> then sudo cpufreq-set -c 0 -g performance
[0:31] <Tachyon`> oh right, don't have to play in proc?
[0:31] <Tachyon`> ah, better, thanks
[0:32] <djazz> (dont put on something... annoying.. pls)
[0:32] <user82> [Saint], what do you clock up? only the arm frequency or also core
[0:32] <Tachyon`> if that just killed my pi I will hunt you down
[0:32] <ParkerR> djazz, Youll like that
[0:33] <djazz> ParkerR: no thanks xD
[0:33] <ParkerR> Is it playing?
[0:33] <djazz> yes
[0:33] <djazz> some accidents
[0:33] <ParkerR> Its not music
[0:33] <djazz> with bikes
[0:33] <ParkerR> Yeah buncha motorcycle accidnets
[0:33] <ParkerR> Or just people being dumb XD
[0:33] <ParkerR> djazz, Just some php exec?
[0:34] <djazz> ParkerR: nodejs
[0:34] <ParkerR> Ahh
[0:34] <djazz> everything is serverside
[0:34] <djazz> uses SSE to sync queue/now playing
[0:34] <djazz> no ajax, no websockets :D
[0:34] <djazz> its very easy to set up
[0:35] <djazz> just install nodejs, clone from git, done
[0:35] <Tachyon`> hrm, you survive. for now.
[0:35] <djazz> space oddity!
[0:35] <djazz> im chatting but i dont see what i write
[0:35] <djazz> cuz there's a spaceship above
[0:35] <djazz> now it restarted
[0:36] <djazz> this is a great video
[0:36] <ParkerR> Oh derp
[0:36] * esing (~esing@unaffiliated/esing) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[0:36] <ParkerR> Forgot the youtube box aso did search XD
[0:36] <ParkerR> *also
[0:36] <djazz> yea
[0:37] * [Saint] wonders if this is actually letting him strip out the queue <people> are adding ;)
[0:37] <[Saint]> Yay for being disruptive.
[0:37] <djazz> server crashed xD
[0:37] <[Saint]> Yeah, sorry, I think I broke it.
[0:38] <djazz> at bottom it shows what's currently playing
[0:38] <[Saint]> MLP?
[0:38] <djazz> yup
[0:38] <djazz> click the link to see on yt
[0:38] <djazz> cuz only I see, on my pi
[0:39] <djazz> random music video
[0:39] <ParkerR> djazz, How hard would this be to adapt to mplayer
[0:39] <djazz> some dude in a dark room ;o
[0:39] <djazz> ParkerR: very easy
[0:39] <ParkerR> To say if I want to run it on my main computer
[0:40] <djazz> well
[0:40] <JakeSays> djazz: heh. that cam works with motion
[0:40] <djazz> it sends special commands to pause, etc
[0:40] <djazz> JakeSays: motion is great too
[0:41] <djazz> whats this video? ;o
[0:41] <ParkerR> Brb gonna setup the Pi for this :D
[0:41] <djazz> :D
[0:41] <[Saint]> Dunno...it /may/ have been me.
[0:41] <djazz> it really is an awesome app
[0:42] <[Saint]> It froze up, so I can't tell if it actually processed it or not.
[0:42] <user82> building ffmpeg takes quite a while on this thing...
[0:42] <djazz> [Saint]: a guy on a chair and some girls?
[0:42] <[Saint]> Nup, t'wasn't me.
[0:42] <JakeSays> lol the motion web interface leaves a bit to be desired
[0:42] <djazz> "Dedicaces"
[0:43] <djazz> who's spamming this video?
[0:43] <[Saint]> AM I supposed to be able to just drop a YT link in there?
[0:43] <djazz> yea
[0:43] <djazz> well
[0:43] <djazz> youtube id or search string
[0:43] <[Saint]> the queue is...odd. I'm fairly sure it stopped responding a while ago.
[0:44] <djazz> hm
[0:44] <djazz> server gets some weird dns error
[0:44] <djazz> and crashes
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[0:45] <djazz> who's spamming this video?
[0:45] <djazz> Dedicaces
[0:45] * [Saint] absolutely cannot figure out how to get this to actually play anything and gives up.
[0:45] <[Saint]> the queue is full of ~20 identical MLP tracks.
[0:46] * dan2k3k4 (~dan2k3k4@unaffiliated/dan2k3k4) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[0:46] <djazz> [Saint]: i added 5
[0:46] <[Saint]> I tried feeding it the full link, and just the YT id...nup...MLP it is ;)
[0:46] <djazz> try a search query
[0:46] <djazz> and press queue
[0:47] <[Saint]> everything is greyed out.
[0:47] <user82> impressive. http://tech-note-pad.blogspot.de/2013/02/raspberry-pi-handbrake-encode-times.html
[0:47] <djazz> now those girls again
[0:47] <djazz> "dad reacts"
[0:47] <[Saint]> Anyway...nice work, apparently slightly flawed implementation under load.
[0:47] <djazz> [Saint]: web browser?
[0:48] * [Saint] assumes that is "which browser?"
[0:48] <djazz> yeah
[0:48] <[Saint]> If so, Chrome dev 29.*
[0:48] <djazz> i have only tested chrome
[0:48] <djazz> hm
[0:49] <[Saint]> I'm guessing it is just not playing nice under load.
[0:49] <djazz> yeah
[0:49] <[Saint]> several people poking it at one probably isn't a good thing.
[0:49] <djazz> its a bit hacked together
[0:49] <djazz> i made it for my personal use
[0:49] <[Saint]> You should /probably/ filter approved IPs.
[0:49] <djazz> to start a song/web radio stream in the kitchen
[0:49] <djazz> from my phone
[0:49] <djazz> and build a queue
[0:50] <[Saint]> since that address is now on a publically logged channel and all ;)
[0:50] * FR^2 (~fr@2001:41d0:2:842d::cafe) Quit (Quit: und weg...)
[0:50] <[Saint]> you might wanna filter from now.
[0:50] <djazz> [Saint]: yeah, i port forwarded it ;)
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[0:50] <[Saint]> Aha.
[0:50] <djazz> i wanted you to test it
[0:50] <djazz> xD
[0:50] <ParkerR> Tested
[0:50] <ParkerR> Crashed
[0:50] <djazz> why?
[0:50] <ParkerR> Everything is ok! :D
[0:50] <djazz> npm install mime ?
[0:50] <ParkerR> Oh no
[0:50] <ParkerR> I meant in your situation
[0:51] <djazz> you have nodejs?
[0:51] <ParkerR> Still formatting a card :P
[0:51] <djazz> kk
[0:51] <djazz> arch/raspbian?
[0:51] <ParkerR> raspbian
[0:51] <djazz> then you need to compile nodejs, or the old version *might* work
[0:51] <ParkerR> I am fully prepared to compile :)
[0:51] <djazz> takes 2.5 hours on the pi
[0:52] <ParkerR> Wat
[0:52] <djazz> but there are precompiled binaries
[0:52] <ParkerR> Hmm
[0:52] <djazz> or i can upload my build folder somewhere
[0:52] <djazz> its 134 Mb
[0:52] <djazz> ;o
[0:52] <ParkerR> djazz, Also does this choose the default audio out or does it tell omx to use 3.5mm?
[0:52] <djazz> then you just do sudo make install
[0:52] <djazz> ParkerR: i have "-o local" in the code
[0:52] <ParkerR> Ahh
[0:52] <ParkerR> Cool
[0:52] <djazz> you'd have to manually change it
[0:52] <djazz> if you want hdmi
[0:53] <djazz> whats the command to tar.gz a folder? ;p
[0:54] <djazz> i know how to extract
[0:54] <ParkerR> tar -zcvf demo.tar.gz demo
[0:54] <ParkerR> demo being the folder
[0:54] <djazz> k
[0:54] <ParkerR> That'll save me some compiling time :)
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[0:55] <djazz> compressing
[0:56] <ParkerR> Also brb. Need to setup my old dd-wrt router as a repeater bridge
[0:57] <djazz> k
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[0:59] <cm13g09> Evening (very nearly morning) all, having a bit of fun with omxplayer - for some reason I can't get any audio from it at the moment, either over hdmi, or on the analogue output.... Anybody got any suggestions?
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[1:00] <ozzzy> did you use the -o hdmi switch
[1:00] * ChanServ sets mode +o IT_Sean
[1:00] <cm13g09> ozzzy: I've tried both -o hdmi and -o local
[1:00] <ozzzy> hmmm
[1:00] <cm13g09> neither give me audio....
[1:00] <cm13g09> (and yes, I did check that I had something plugged into the right port at the time ;) )
[1:01] <cm13g09> According to omxplayer, the audio is "Audio codec aac channels 2 samplerate 44100 bitspersample 16
[1:01] <djazz> cm13g09: OS?
[1:01] <djazz> raspbian?
[1:01] <cm13g09> djazz: Rasbian
[1:02] <djazz> on arch I get audio glitches with latest firmware and omxplayer
[1:02] <cm13g09> hmm, well that's better than me ;)
[1:02] <djazz> but no problems on raspbian
[1:02] <djazz> is it up to date?
[1:02] <djazz> you have volume, window position options?
[1:03] <cm13g09> it's the latest build from sconde.net
[1:03] <cm13g09> so yes, have the window positioning stuff
[1:03] <djazz> hm
[1:03] <djazz> have you used rpi-update?
[1:03] <cm13g09> nope
[1:03] <cm13g09> not yet
[1:04] <djazz> hm
[1:04] <cm13g09> original raspbian image was from about 2 weeks ago
[1:04] <cm13g09> (I've since made some bodges to this, and uninstalled a fair amount of stuff to get the OS image <1GB)
[1:05] <cm13g09> I can install/update some things - but it's not exactly going to be that straight forward
[1:06] <djazz> hmm
[1:06] <djazz> most recent raspbian was released in february
[1:06] <cm13g09> I can update - and there is a raspberrypi-bootloader update
[1:07] <cm13g09> there's just enough disk space to do so
[1:07] <cm13g09> what's the worst that can happen :P
[1:07] <ParkerR> djazz, Uploaded yet?
[1:07] <djazz> ParkerR: yeah
[1:07] <ParkerR> Also dd-wrt's repeater bridge has to be on eof the most amazing things
[1:07] <ParkerR> *one of the
[1:07] <djazz> ParkerR: http://djazz.mine.nu/files/node-v0.10.8-compiled.tar.gz
[1:08] <djazz> you should be able to do sudo make install
[1:08] <djazz> but might want to upgrade the os first to latest version
[1:08] <djazz> apt-get update + upgrade
[1:08] <ParkerR> Yeah this is a recent minimal image
[1:10] * cm13g09 twiddles thumbs while doing 131MB of updates
[1:10] <djazz> :D
[1:11] * cm13g09 wishes he could slipstream these updates into the image, rather than have to faff about with doing manual updates and then capturing
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[1:12] <cm13g09> and it had to be all the important stuff, like libc and e2fsprogs, that take forever because of man-db
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[1:12] <ParkerR> Dangit
[1:12] <ParkerR> Whats the default login for plugwashs minimal images
[1:13] <ParkerR> Its not pi raspberry
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[1:14] <djazz> login as root?
[1:14] <djazz> or is that disabled?
[1:14] <ParkerR> Checking
[1:14] <[Saint]> Google says root pass is disabled
[1:15] <[Saint]> so it should be just "root" <null>"
[1:15] <ParkerR> Here's the page http://plugwash.raspbian.org/images/
[1:15] <[Saint]> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=42667%26p=344467
[1:15] <ParkerR> He isnt here :/
[1:15] <ParkerR> AHa
[1:15] <[Saint]> "The root account by default can be logged into locally without a password. I would encourage you to set a password on it."
[1:16] <ParkerR> Thanks
[1:16] <[Saint]> NP.
[1:16] * [Saint] apparently has strong Google-fu.
[1:16] * cm13g09 is impressed at that image size....
[1:16] <ParkerR> :/ no password says denied
[1:16] <cm13g09> 110MB (give or take)
[1:16] <ParkerR> 900mb extracted
[1:17] <ParkerR> So a buncha free space
[1:17] <cm13g09> nice
[1:17] <[Saint]> ParkerR: you're not trying to ssh in, are you?
[1:17] <cm13g09> I got down to 600MB or so of OS
[1:17] <[Saint]> That will fail.
[1:17] <ParkerR> [Saint], Oh heh
[1:17] <ParkerR> Derp
[1:17] <ParkerR> [Saint], Thanks
[1:17] <[Saint]> Np.
[1:19] <ParkerR> Woohoo decent throughput on this repeater
[1:20] <cm13g09> exciting.... I thought I'd removed gdb from this image.....
[1:20] <cm13g09> (it just got updated)
[1:20] <[Saint]> you may have removed it, and then something else installed it as a dep.
[1:20] <[Saint]> ...happens.
[1:20] <cm13g09> [Saint]: probably....
[1:23] <cm13g09> o...k.... that was special....
[1:23] <cm13g09> it's unpacking the bootloader which appears to have some exotic configuration to engineer an upgrdae
[1:24] <[Saint]> Oh, yeah, apt-get upgrade will update the kernel as of...a wehile ago.
[1:24] <[Saint]> *while
[1:24] * [Saint] just assumes this is what is being talked about blindly
[1:25] <djazz> ParkerR: progress?
[1:25] <ozzzy> hm... how do you tell apt not to upgrade the kernel
[1:25] <cm13g09> [Saint]: More the fact that it created some magic symlinks...
[1:25] <ParkerR> djazz, Just getting the base set up. Time sync etc
[1:26] <[Saint]> ozzzy: you'd want to google up on "pinning packages"
[1:26] <cm13g09> wooo - nearly time for a reboot
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[1:26] <cm13g09> (and then we see if we have audio)
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[1:26] <angs> is armv4l different than armv4?
[1:26] <[Saint]> ozzzy: alternatively, you could just use "branch=master rpi-update" after apt-get upgrade.
[1:27] <[Saint]> Oh...no, derp.
[1:28] <[Saint]> FWIW, you should really update the kernel to the current version. There's many reasons to do so and no reason I can think of not to.
[1:28] <cm13g09> [Saint]: yeah - sounds like a compile job to run tomorrow then
[1:28] <cm13g09> (I customise the boot logos on mine)
[1:28] <[Saint]> cm13g09: no need to compile a kernel.
[1:28] <ozzzy> [Saint]: the one I have has usbip... and I really don't want to recompile a kernel
[1:29] <cm13g09> [Saint]: even for changing the boot logo?
[1:29] <user82> rpy was suddently offline and did not reboot. can that be a power supply problem?
[1:29] <user82> or a OC problem
[1:29] <ParkerR> djazz, tar was complaining about the files being 30 years in the future. Local time was like 1980
[1:29] <[Saint]> cm13g09: Oh...hmmm...yeah. That's a bit of a silly reason to recompile, though.
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[1:30] <[Saint]> WHatever floats your boat.
[1:30] <cm13g09> [Saint]: it is, however, I have to do it
[1:30] <djazz> ParkerR: :DDD
[1:30] <ParkerR> *40
[1:30] <ParkerR> Wed Dec 31 19:17:17 EST 1969
[1:30] <ParkerR> Moon!
[1:30] <djazz> on my other laptop i have a file from 2030
[1:30] <djazz> :P
[1:30] <cm13g09> [Saint]: got a project that quite explicitly want the Raspberry replaced with their own logo
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[1:31] <[Saint]> Would displaying a splash *after* the raspi boot logo be acceptable?
[1:31] <cm13g09> it also helps with me remembering which Pi is in use for which project
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[1:31] <cm13g09> [Saint]: not really
[1:32] * [Saint] nods
[1:32] <[Saint]> Clients...
[1:32] <[Saint]> Urgh.
[1:32] <djazz> openelec dont have that logo
[1:32] <cm13g09> It doesn't help matters that the target screen has an EDID that says it does 1280x1024
[1:32] <djazz> and some other distors
[1:32] <cm13g09> when it's actually only 160x90
[1:32] <[Saint]> "I want this. There's no good reason I want this, and even if you give me several reasons why it is a terrible idea, I will ignore you"
[1:32] <[Saint]> Yay, clients!
[1:32] <[Saint]> :)
[1:33] <cm13g09> and, as if by magic, an apt-get upgrade fixes it
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[1:33] * cm13g09 blames the bootloader, switches back to custom kernel
[1:33] <djazz> omxplayer works?
[1:33] <cm13g09> djazz: yup
[1:34] <djazz> yay~~
[1:34] * [Saint] recently had to plumb an additional 120m of cable because a client didn't want me going through the wall...so, I had to rout around the wall, and use an ugly conduit...and then the client was all surprised at the additional cost.
[1:34] <cm13g09> I suspect a duff bootloader
[1:34] <[Saint]> I *hate* clients. They're boring, and usually know nothing.....and *everything* at the same time.
[1:34] <cm13g09> [Saint]: this particular client of mine has a slightly wacky use case
[1:34] <djazz> oh, i found a repeating youtube video. omxplayer repeats it too :O
[1:35] <djazz> its 0:22 but repeated
[1:35] <cm13g09> as noted by the wacky resolution of their screen
[1:35] <djazz> argh
[1:35] <cm13g09> Definately bootloader ;)
[1:35] <cm13g09> my custom kernel works
[1:36] <cm13g09> I've spent most of this evening working out how to deal with screens that don't do EDID properly....
[1:36] <[Saint]> cm13g09: all clients have wacky use cases..but, to them, it is perfectly sane.
[1:36] <cm13g09> [Saint]: true
[1:36] * snowrichard (~richard@ Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[1:36] <cm13g09> that said
[1:36] <[Saint]> Trying to tell them otherwise is an excercise in futility.
[1:36] <cm13g09> it's pretty cool
[1:37] <cm13g09> so I'm quite pleased to be working on the project
[1:37] <ParkerR> cm13g09, "160x90" wth?
[1:37] <[Saint]> Can you actually talk about it, or are you currently NDA'd?
[1:37] <ParkerR> Screen for ants?
[1:37] <ParkerR> Kiosk for ants
[1:37] <ShiftPlusOne> ParkerR, massive untapped market opportunity.
[1:37] <ParkerR> Haha
[1:37] <djazz> :D
[1:37] <[Saint]> Get in quick, the "Crazy Ants" are stormin' the US.
[1:38] <cm13g09> They're BIG pixels
[1:38] <[Saint]> ;)
[1:38] <cm13g09> I can't say much more
[1:38] <ParkerR> ShiftPlusOne, "The food you are looking for can be found on the third level. You are here"
[1:38] <cm13g09> The unit was over on a demo tour to Germany this weekend just gone
[1:38] <[Saint]> cm13g09: fair enough. I know all about the pains of NDA.
[1:38] <ShiftPlusOne> heh
[1:39] * cm13g09 reboots again
[1:39] <[Saint]> "Hey, I'm working on this cool thing that I can tell you basically *nothing* about...but, its cool...yo...trust me"
[1:39] <cm13g09> [Saint]: yeah
[1:39] <cm13g09> that sounds about right ;)
[1:39] <[Saint]> Been there, done that. :)
[1:40] <cm13g09> &*&%^%^^%%&& HDMI!
[1:40] <ParkerR> djazz, /me gives the Raspberry Pi a shot of steroids in hopes of apt-get speeding up
[1:40] <cm13g09> sorry about that - HDMI just ate my audio
[1:40] <djazz> :D
[1:40] <[Saint]> ParkerR: I can't stress getting a decent sdcard enough.
[1:40] <[Saint]> It makes a massive difference.
[1:41] <ParkerR> [Saint], I have a decent one
[1:41] <ParkerR> But its being used in something else
[1:41] <[Saint]> WHat do you class as "decent"?
[1:41] <cm13g09> damned computer monitor having an audio output on it
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[1:41] <ParkerR> [Saint], Class 10 Sandisk 16gb
[1:41] <djazz> cm13g09: -o local
[1:42] <cm13g09> djazz: that would help, yes
[1:42] <ReggieUK> calm down cm13g09
[1:42] <cm13g09> Sorry ReggieUK
[1:42] <[Saint]> ParkerR: ahhh...yeah, see, that's not really "decen't" anymore in todays world.
[1:42] * cm13g09 is too tired
[1:42] <ParkerR> [Saint], :(
[1:42] <djazz> i have class 10 too
[1:42] * [Saint] cannot stress spending the money on a decent card enough
[1:42] <djazz> would a higher class be much better?
[1:42] <[Saint]> makes a huge difference.
[1:43] <ParkerR> What do you deem as decent?
[1:43] <[Saint]> I use the SanDisk Extreme Pro USH-I series cards.
[1:43] <ParkerR> What do you think I am? Made fo money?
[1:43] <[Saint]> 95MB/s R/W
[1:43] <ParkerR> *of
[1:43] <djazz> thats a decent speed
[1:44] <djazz> cm13g09: omxplayer -o local http://djazz.mine.nu:1338/stream
[1:44] <djazz> :)
[1:45] <cm13g09> djazz: yeah, I'm working on it ;)
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[1:46] <djazz> ParkerR: im getting tired, its late here
[1:46] <djazz> :D
[1:46] <ParkerR> Nooo
[1:46] <djazz> ok
[1:46] <ParkerR> Well
[1:46] <ParkerR> night
[1:46] <[Saint]> They're not /that/ expensive, really.
[1:46] <djazz> got much left?
[1:46] <[Saint]> I got mine (16GB) for ~$100USD shipped, iirc.
[1:46] <ParkerR> djazz, Installing python because as make install began it complained about not having python
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[1:46] <djazz> ah
[1:46] <ParkerR> [Saint], s**t
[1:47] <[Saint]> that's the uSD variant.
[1:47] <[Saint]> The SD variant is slightly cheaper, and has a higher max capacity.
[1:47] <ParkerR> If I had that much to spend on an SD card it wouldnt be going towards an SD card
[1:47] <[Saint]> the SD variants go up to 64GB.
[1:47] <djazz> the cheapest sd cards i have, class 10, are $8 or $9
[1:47] <djazz> 8 gb
[1:48] <ParkerR> 16gb class 10 was $16 for me
[1:48] <[Saint]> solid state media is really one of those "You get what you pay for" things.
[1:48] <djazz> yeah
[1:48] <[Saint]> Most things aren't really like that, despite what people say, and cheaper/off-brand alternatives are fine.
[1:48] <[Saint]> sd media...notsomuch.
[1:49] <djazz> these cheap cards (Kingston) doesnt work in latest linux on my laptop
[1:49] <djazz> but works fine on the pi
[1:49] * [Saint] nods
[1:49] <[Saint]> and fake cards are abundent.
[1:49] <[Saint]> with sd cards, you really want to buy from a reputable source with a warranty and/or returns policy.
[1:49] <[Saint]> not from <some_guy_on_eBay>
[1:50] <[Saint]> I think the UHS-I cards from SanDisk work out to being the equivalent of 633X speed.
[1:50] <[Saint]> ...pretty bloody snappy.
[1:50] <ParkerR> I never ebay
[1:51] <ParkerR> for SD cards at least
[1:51] <djazz> me neither
[1:51] <[Saint]> The raspi can't even get close to using its full potential, but, I can get around 20MB/s R/W on the Pi.
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[1:51] <djazz> [Saint]: thats a pi limit
[1:51] <djazz> i think
[1:51] <[Saint]> My camera can *thrash* the thing at around 90MB/s
[1:51] <djazz> :D
[1:52] <steve_rox> sd card called dane-elec pro 200x 8gb class 10 died on me yesterday and its only a few months old
[1:52] <djazz> rip
[1:52] <ParkerR> 200x lol
[1:52] <djazz> :P
[1:52] <ParkerR> 200x what
[1:53] <steve_rox> yeah i dunno why they put that on the lable
[1:53] <[Saint]> "Cd speed"
[1:53] <steve_rox> go faster stripes i guess
[1:53] <[Saint]> The ***X rating on SD media if "X times faster than a CD"
[1:53] <[Saint]> s/if/is/
[1:53] * cm13g09 hopes that this will be the last reboot tonight
[1:53] <Tachyon`> yeah, so 150K/second
[1:54] <steve_rox> eather way i thought id warn anyone else of the card brand
[1:54] <djazz> i wonder, why do I have to pay for the FastDosBox in the pistore?
[1:54] <djazz> when I just can compile it from source in 30 min?
[1:54] <cm13g09> djazz: thanks for coercing me into doing the upgrade
[1:54] <ParkerR> FastDosBox?
[1:55] <ParkerR> rpix86 is where its at
[1:55] <djazz> its faster than the repo dosbox
[1:55] <ParkerR> Not based on DOSbox but does pretty darn good emulation
[1:55] <djazz> rpix86 is something else
[1:55] <djazz> I want to play Jazz Jackrabbit 1 but it lags horribly on the pi
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[1:55] <djazz> i tried all of the three emulators
[1:56] <djazz> cm13g09: np?
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[1:56] <djazz> whats coecing?
[1:56] <cm13g09> coercing, persuading, same kind of thing
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[1:56] <djazz> k
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[1:57] <cm13g09> just teaches me to do my updates ;)
[1:57] <cm13g09> doesn't it?
[1:57] <djazz> :P
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[1:57] <mpmc> I love popcorn!
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[2:19] <ozzzy> anyone know if there's a linux-source-3.6.11 package out there
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[2:42] <\\Mr_C\\> anyone know of a doc or pdf on the sunxi-tools?
[2:52] <chithead> they are probably not useful on the raspberry pi
[2:52] <\\Mr_C\\> ok
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[2:57] <[Saint]> \\Mr_C\\: since there's no (and, probably never will be) ADB variant for ARM...there's really not any point.
[2:57] <[Saint]> Also...you have an Allwinner tablet?
[2:57] <[Saint]> ...yuck.
[2:57] <[Saint]> I feel for you man. I do, really.
[2:58] <Twist-> offbyone: if you're still around.. I just randomly tripped across this series on youtube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIT4ra6Mo0s
[2:58] <[Saint]> Those guys absolutely do not understand, nor care, about GPL requirement.
[2:58] <[Saint]> Twist-: wow...now there's a blast from the past.
[3:00] * [Saint] shudders
[3:00] <[Saint]> "sodder" == No! :)
[3:00] <\\Mr_C\\> i have a cubieboard as well
[3:00] <\\Mr_C\\> and it needs the tools
[3:00] <[Saint]> Ahhh, I see.
[3:01] <[Saint]> I thought sunxi-tools was Allwinner specific.
[3:01] <\\Mr_C\\> ive noticed alot of things are alike for the two boards
[3:01] <\\Mr_C\\> thats why i asked in here
[3:02] * [Saint] wants to punch that guy in the video in his 1980s face
[3:03] <[Saint]> Is "sodder" a common U.S.A-ism?
[3:03] <Twist-> Don't.. his head would jerk back, causing his 1980's hair to snap forward severing your wrist.
[3:04] <Twist-> and yes.
[3:05] <[Saint]> Odd. As a New Zealander, making me essentially British, we say "solder" pronounced 'sole der'
[3:07] <Tachyon`> yeah, it's just the americans who say sodder
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[3:12] <Twist-> We screw everything up, eh? Why should one more thing be a surprise? :D
[3:13] <[Saint]> I almost cried the other day at the rejection of the metric system in the US.
[3:14] <[Saint]> Well, it wasn't so much rejected as basically saying "Freedom, yo. US citizens have the freedom to use whatever wacky-ass systems of measure they want"
[3:14] <Xark> [Saint]: Aww, at least it isn't illegal to use it here (yet). :)
[3:15] <[Saint]> I firmly believe that imperial measure needs to go away and die.
[3:15] * Xark remembers when metric was on most road signs and they taught it in schools...then Reagan happened.
[3:15] <[Saint]> New Zealand officially adopted the metric system in 196*-something, but, there was a massive refusal to adopt it by teachers at the time.
[3:16] <ItsMeLenny> actually, the majority of imperial measurements are now based off the standards of the official metric measurements
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[3:16] <[Saint]> We were still being taught in imperial measure when I was in primary school...some 20 years later.
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[3:16] <harris> hi does anyone know how to install srware iron browser
[3:17] <ItsMeLenny> 1kg has an official weighted mass which acts as the global kg, and a pound is simply 0.4536kg
[3:17] <[Saint]> Actually - they're still working on standardizing the Kilo.
[3:18] <ItsMeLenny> well, they're restandardizing it
[3:18] <[Saint]> The standardized references they made years ago have all deteriorated and are all different weights now ;)
[3:18] <ItsMeLenny> lol yeah
[3:18] <harris> hi does anyone know how to install srware iron browser
[3:19] <ItsMeLenny> but at the moment that's what it is, and once the restandardize it (not using an actual weight), then the pound will still be 0.4536kg
[3:19] <[Saint]> harris: no need to ask again.
[3:19] <ItsMeLenny> harris, click your fingers and say there is no browser like srware iron
[3:20] <[Saint]> ItsMeLenny: http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/magazine/15-09/st_kilounit <-- good read on the very subject in question
[3:20] <harris> but there is a browser
[3:20] <ItsMeLenny> i'll check it out
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[3:20] <[Saint]> Oh, whoops. c/p'd the wrong link. Gah.
[3:20] <harris> http://www.srware.net/en/software_srware_iron.php
[3:22] <[Saint]> ItsMeLenny: I can't find the one I'm looking for, but, this is better than the last link: http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/making-an-exact-difference/2007/06/14/1181414466901.html
[3:22] <[Saint]> Basically, they're going to be counting the exact number of atoms in a silicon sphere.
[3:22] <ItsMeLenny> good ol australia
[3:22] <ParkerR> >Think you have lost class 10 SD card
[3:23] <ParkerR> >It's in the Wii
[3:23] <[Saint]> iirc, they have got down to being within 30nm +/- of a *perfect* sphere.
[3:23] <ItsMeLenny> [Saint], and they're doing it by getting a heap of primary school students, giving them portions of the sphere and having them count by sliding the atoms across a desk into a counted pile
[3:23] <[Saint]> ...pretty bloody impressive for hand grinding.
[3:23] <ItsMeLenny> lol
[3:25] <ItsMeLenny> on a side note, that xbox one looks exactly like a black version of an ibm computer i have
[3:26] * [Saint] imagines it must have really pissed off a few people when they found out that the "true kilo" in the Le Système International d'Unités differed quite wildly from the reference units kept elsewhere stashed around the globe.
[3:26] <[Saint]> Each and every one has a completely different weight, lol.
[3:27] <djazz> ParkerR: it's always where you look last :)
[3:27] <ItsMeLenny> lol yeah, but at the same time i dont think it entirely mattered, because the size of a drink can has remained the same
[3:27] <ItsMeLenny> they didnt check their can of coke every year
[3:27] <[Saint]> Hahaha
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[3:28] * [Saint] sees a mouse pad in the swag shop
[3:28] <[Saint]> ...do...do people stil use those?
[3:29] <ItsMeLenny> my sister gave me one last year
[3:29] <ItsMeLenny> i said "why?"
[3:29] <Twist-> [Saint]: They teach both systems in the US. But the government won't fuck off with doing their signage in imperial so people never adapt.
[3:29] <ItsMeLenny> although it does have a pic of me her and my brother on it, so makes sense
[3:30] <ItsMeLenny> Twist-, they don't teach either in australia, so people just grow up stupid
[3:30] <ItsMeLenny> :P
[3:30] <Twist-> They should just call a halt to teaching standard in public schools, go metric.. and let one generation grow up confused
[3:31] <[Saint]> Twist-: here's the terribly disappointing We The People response - https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/response/supporting-american-choices-measurement
[3:31] <ItsMeLenny> "Other wounds, such as a sword-thrust to the right buttocks, appear to be what researchers call "humiliation injuries," inflicted after Richard III's death. "
[3:32] <[Saint]> the TL;DR version is basically: USe what you want to, we don't care, but Imperial Measure is here to stay so get used to it.
[3:33] <ItsMeLenny> yeah, i just had a read
[3:33] <ItsMeLenny> i have nothing to say about america
[3:34] <ItsMeLenny> in terms of if you can't say something nice ddon't say it at all
[3:34] * [Saint] nods
[3:34] <ItsMeLenny> http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2013/05/ouya-impressions/ <-- "Who needs graphics when you can play basketball using a crane?"
[3:34] <[Saint]> Much like NZ vs AU :P
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[3:35] <ItsMeLenny> [Saint], yeah it's unfortunate for NZ that Au is the superior country
[3:35] <ItsMeLenny> :P
[3:36] * [Saint] shakes a fist in an approximately westerly direction
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[3:40] <ozzzy> E plag nista
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[3:45] <ItsMeLenny> [Saint], http://youtu.be/YjMWnOezGU0
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[4:12] <[Saint]> git clone git://git.collabora.co.uk/git/user/pq/weston
[4:12] <[Saint]> cd weston
[4:12] <[Saint]> git checkout origin/raspberrypi-dispmanx-wip
[4:12] <[Saint]> echo deb http://raspberrypi.collabora.com wheezy rpi >> /etc/apt/sources.list
[4:12] <[Saint]> apt-get update
[4:12] <[Saint]> apt-get install weston
[4:12] <[Saint]> ...thank me later :)
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[4:13] <[Saint]> gah! slightly messed that up.
[4:14] <ParkerR> I was going to say
[4:14] <ParkerR> Pick one not both :P
[4:15] <[Saint]> Oh. I see that the raspi forum is already all over this.
[4:15] <[Saint]> I've been playing with the version from git for a few days now, and it is really impressive how usable it is.
[4:16] <ParkerR> I've only seen it launched within x11. Can you just run it as the WM?
[4:16] <[Saint]> In some instances I would almost say it is faster than X.
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[4:17] <eggy> what is this now?
[4:17] <[Saint]> The future, my dear.
[4:17] <ParkerR> weston is a compositioner that performs better than X
[4:17] <eggy> hrm
[4:18] <[Saint]> eggy: see - http://www.youtube.com/v/0UkUal_hHx8
[4:18] <ParkerR> And you can run x11 programs within it
[4:19] <eggy> cool beans, I think I tried to compile it a while ago and failed :p
[4:20] <[Saint]> ParkerR: I'm not sure about the version in the repo, but the git head version is capable of being set as the default WM.
[4:20] <eggy> [Saint]: I assume you compile on the pi?
[4:20] <[Saint]> eggy: No.
[4:20] <[Saint]> That is just nuts and no one should do so.
[4:21] <eggy> oh good, that's what I figured.. too slow.
[4:21] <[Saint]> This is why sane people invented crosscompoilation.
[4:21] <eggy> yep
[4:21] * ParkerR prefers compiling on the pi :(
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[4:26] <[Saint]> Oh dear, apparently I said a bad word.
[4:26] * [Saint] goes off to have a cry and think deeply about his actions.
[4:27] <[Saint]> Apologies if I disturbed any of you or caused you irrepairable harm, I really idn't notice.
[4:28] * ShiftPlusOne is having a hard time spotting it
[4:29] <[Saint]> Me too, actually.
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[4:36] <eveshka> ive noticed in geeky programming channels, a pattern
[4:36] <eveshka> when you ask a question, about linux or, about a language or something
[4:36] <eveshka> there's always one person that helps you. gives you a straight forward answer, a humble and intelligent nice person
[4:37] <eveshka> and then there's always a one-upper
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[4:37] <eveshka> who never helps you and just spends the whole time insulting you and trying to question your entire project
[4:37] <eveshka> anyone familiar with that?
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[4:38] <ReggieUK> that's pretty much any group project
[4:38] <ReggieUK> they all have the propensity
[4:38] <ReggieUK> just in different levels
[4:39] <ReggieUK> the larger the group, the more likely you are to find all the usual suspects :)
[4:43] <eveshka> this is so hard being in a room where "lol" is banned
[4:43] <[Saint]> eveshka: A lot of the time it is misinterpretation, in my opinion.
[4:43] <eveshka> im geting torn to peices now
[4:43] <eveshka> because ive discovered a way to do something that i wanted to do
[4:43] <[Saint]> A lot of people seem to interpret simple, concise, technical answers as being terse ort abusive.
[4:44] <eveshka> and everyones telling me to do it in a overcomplicated way
[4:44] <eveshka> that is the opposite to what i wanted
[4:44] <[Saint]> WHen realistically it is just a waste of time sugar-coating and hand holding.
[4:44] <eveshka> i think its just crap programmers
[4:44] <eveshka> or smart - yet - very uncreative or imaginative programmers
[4:44] <eveshka> who see the chance to make themselves look big, and take it
[4:44] <[Saint]> Well, does it really surprise you that developers have poor social skills? :)
[4:44] <eveshka> because someone liek me is humble enough to ask simple questions
[4:45] <eveshka> i guess im the acception then. i dont get on with any "developers"
[4:45] <eveshka> i get an idea for a game, i write the game, i make it happen,i play it, i go OH YEAH!!! and i beat the badguys
[4:45] <[Saint]> It isn't about "being big" IMO. A lot of us just really suck at relating to people.
[4:45] <eveshka> but these people are just... from another planet
[4:45] <[Saint]> ANd a lot of people seem to have a problem with implied tone.
[4:45] <[Saint]> Many a time I have seen people read tone in my answers that simply wasn't there.
[4:46] <[Saint]> One thing you'll find is that a lot of people (I do this myself) will "pre-answer" a question they believe you *may* ask, in advance.
[4:47] <[Saint]> This may be seen as overcomplication, but, it is just trying to make it easier by covering morte bases.
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[4:47] <eveshka> the worst thing
[4:47] <eveshka> is when you do 9/10 tasks one way
[4:48] <eveshka> and you want help with that final little thing
[4:48] <eveshka> and their advice is "do them all again in a completely differnet language or OS or something"
[4:48] <eveshka> which has just created 10 new problems
[4:49] <eveshka> exagerated comedy example: question: "my mouse has grit in it, whats the best way to clean?"
[4:49] <eveshka> answer: "get linux"
[4:49] <[Saint]> That can be an issue in these communities, yes. A lot of developers have a very strong "You're doing it wrong!" reaction. Whereas I'm quite happy to let someone do something in an incredibly backward and convoluted way if they want to...as long as it works for them.
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[4:50] <[Saint]> Primarily, I think it boils down to what I said earlier about a lot of us having incredibly poor social skills.
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[4:51] <[Saint]> There's a reason we spent hours in front of screens and keyboards :)
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[4:52] <[Saint]> A computer has never belittled me or made me feel unwelcome.
[4:59] <youlysses> Anyone hear of the LamabadaPi project?
[5:00] <youlysses> Sounds like a nice-point of entry, to help satisfy my LispM lust. :-)
[5:01] <youlysses> *LambadaPi.
[5:02] <youlysses> **LambdaPi. :-I
[5:02] * youlysses most be tired, and/or a bit dim tonight. :-P
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[5:11] <ReggieUK> people forget that this is irc and there are no visual clues as to 'tone' in responses
[5:13] <ReggieUK> and good developers will put their position across to you and leave it up to you to search out the 'right' way to do stuff
[5:17] <[Saint]> Indeed. I have a lot of issue with people reading tone into my responses and thinking I am being terse or agressive.
[5:18] <[Saint]> WHen in reality I'm just busy working on several things at once and holding multiple conversations.
[5:20] <Twist-> A fine first line of defense is not worrying about offending such people.
[5:20] <[Saint]> Indeed. I got over that *years* ago.
[5:20] <eggy> yep
[5:21] <[Saint]> If I *want* to offend someone, there will be no doubt in anyone's mind as to my intention. :)
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[5:21] <bity> i think its funny when you squash someones point and then they change it
[5:21] <Twist-> If someone's answering my question, I'll happily put up with them actively belittling me.
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[5:22] <Twist-> I consider it the fee for IRC assistance, sometimes.
[5:23] <[Saint]> Oh, no, you shouldn't accept that.
[5:23] <[Saint]> I have no time or patience for such people.
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[5:23] <[Saint]> Nor should you, you deserve better than that. We all do.
[5:23] <Twist-> If it's the shortest path to knowledge, I'll take it. I learned something, and the other guy got to feel superior for a while. Fair trade.
[5:24] <[Saint]> I wouldn't call that fair, but, I see your point. Accepting it simply encourages it, though. Such people need to be called out on it. There is really no need for it.
[5:24] <ReggieUK> There are other issues involved as well that are sometimes misconstrued
[5:25] <ReggieUK> like the best way to learn stuff isn't to be fed stuff on a plate
[5:25] <ReggieUK> so sometimes you'll get 1/2 an answer
[5:25] <[Saint]> Just take comfort in the fact that if someone needs to do such things to stroke their e-weener that they are in a much worse place than you are ;)
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[5:25] <eveshka> ^
[5:25] <ReggieUK> it's not even about that
[5:26] <ReggieUK> it's about empowering people to teach themselves
[5:26] <eveshka> the irony is
[5:26] <eveshka> im a noob
[5:26] <eveshka> and yet
[5:26] <ReggieUK> what's the first thing you hear people tell noobs?
[5:26] <eveshka> these people ...
[5:26] <ReggieUK> 'did you google it?'
[5:26] <eveshka> dont even know better
[5:26] <eveshka> yeah
[5:26] <eveshka> cant stand that
[5:26] <ReggieUK> there's a reason for that
[5:26] <eveshka> or "read the manual"
[5:26] <ReggieUK> and it's a valid one
[5:26] <eveshka> my reply to "google it"
[5:26] <bity> ReggieUK, teaching people to fish
[5:26] <eveshka> is "why are you in a chat room"?
[5:26] <ReggieUK> bity, exactly
[5:26] <eveshka> theres a difference between teaching people how to fish
[5:27] <[Saint]> ReggieUK: For some people, it really is about belittling people...and, that is genuinely sad.
[5:27] <eveshka> and demoralizing and wasting their time on their project
[5:27] <Twist-> [Saint]: I don't need comfort in that situation.. I'm armored by the aforementioned strong layer of apathy.
[5:27] <ReggieUK> sure but people have to start somewhere
[5:27] <bity> the sad thing is tho, a lot of people are sheep, and don't want to fish
[5:27] <bity> they just want to be fed
[5:27] <eveshka> im a programmer, i make games for fun, i have done for 26 years.
[5:27] <Ricksl> MMMM when people tell me to google it I usually fly off the handle.
[5:27] <eveshka> i make games alone, i do all the work, people play them, we laugh, we enjoy it
[5:27] <eveshka> self-taught, so i have no idea what all these words mean.
[5:27] <eveshka> so when someone says to me:
[5:27] <eveshka> "use the correct operator"
[5:28] <eveshka> im going to say what the hell is an operator?
[5:28] <ReggieUK> generally that question is usually aimed at someone where it's fairly obvious that they've done nothing to help themselves
[5:28] <eveshka> to which they immediately come to the judgement
[5:28] <eveshka> that i cant even print my name on a screen
[5:28] <ReggieUK> how many of you have answered a question that's not really the question that the person asking needs to ask?
[5:28] <Ricksl> I think terminology is what gets me, when I don't know what I am trying to say, so I describe it as best as I can.
[5:28] <eveshka> and people are almost...
[5:28] <eveshka> backward
[5:28] <eveshka> they need precise questions or they rip you apart
[5:29] <eveshka> i ask my questions in english
[5:29] <eveshka> tonights question by the way was:
[5:29] <eveshka> "how do i make one python script run another"
[5:29] <eveshka> my god, it was a mammoth debate
[5:29] <[Saint]> ReggieUK: I understand what you're saying, but, there genuinely are those out their that will deliberately belittle somebody for not knowing as much as they do (or, think they do). I am certainly not talking about the "teach a man to fish" type that you are. I appreciate that immensely (whereas others don't...but, hey).
[5:29] <ReggieUK> that's because sometimes people are at crossed purposes and some questions are highly ambiguous where the person asking expects a definitive answer
[5:29] <[Saint]> Unfortunately there are people out there that feel they need to crush people to feel good about themselves.
[5:29] <eveshka> in the end i never got a working answer. i actually discovered a command, half the room told me it wasnt the right way, and it wasted an hour of my life
[5:29] <[Saint]> And the internet is a perfect stomping ground for them.
[5:30] <eveshka> yeah haha
[5:30] <eveshka> its pathetic, sorry :p
[5:30] <eveshka> been there done it. dont need leet hello world\n kids telling me what an operator is
[5:30] <eveshka> and the worst thing is when you ask a question
[5:30] <ReggieUK> to a certain extent, people have to man up a little and just roll with the punches
[5:30] <eveshka> and their answer is "why would you want to do that???"
[5:30] <ReggieUK> you're *never* going to get a bruise from t'internet
[5:30] <eveshka> i have taken the punches reggie :p
[5:30] <eveshka> ooooh too many punches
[5:30] <ReggieUK> unless you trip over your router
[5:31] <[Saint]> I think it happens primarily because the internet is largely impersonal. You can safely abuse someone for no reason from the safety of your swivel chair from the opposite side of the globe.
[5:31] <eveshka> visual basic 6 mate. can you imagine the abuse?
[5:31] <eveshka> "you noob"
[5:31] <ShiftPlusOne> [Saint], like you never employ a little belittle sarcasm when people ask silly questions. D=
[5:31] <eveshka> "learn C++ noob"
[5:31] <ShiftPlusOne> *belittling
[5:31] <bity> eveshka, right....keep it mind, if you ever make a project, you technically aren't capable of debugging it
[5:31] <Ricksl> The only people willing to help in the tech/hacker community are buy and large jaded assholes
[5:31] <eveshka> whys that bity? lol
[5:31] <Twist-> eveshka: well, I'd make an argument for C#
[5:31] <Ricksl> well thats not fair to say
[5:32] <ReggieUK> eveshka, to be fair, that question is probably solvable via google
[5:32] <eveshka> har har
[5:32] <ReggieUK> or even just examining a few scripts
[5:32] <[Saint]> ShiftPlusOne: I do enjoy sarcasm, indeed. But not for the sake of belittling anybody.
[5:32] <eveshka> for me its about the game
[5:32] <eveshka> ive shown them my games and they shut up pretty fast
[5:32] <ReggieUK> I didn't mean it to be sarcastic
[5:32] <eveshka> i ask them where their game is and tehy go quiet
[5:32] <eveshka> just fed up with it tbh
[5:32] <eveshka> dont know why im ranting now
[5:32] <Ricksl> It would be better to say that jaded asshats are a big problem in the hack/tech community, I can't even look at HaD comments anymore.
[5:32] <ReggieUK> but it just means thinking about the question a bit more
[5:32] <eveshka> tough day
[5:32] <bity> i read an article about it before, but it boils down to: if you did the best that you could with it, thats the best you can do.
[5:32] <eveshka> yeah
[5:32] <Twist-> https://www.google.com/search?&q=call+python+script+from+python
[5:32] <ReggieUK> it shouldn't be difficult to make one python script call another
[5:32] <eveshka> twist - dont even go there
[5:32] <ReggieUK> I have no python experience myself
[5:32] <bity> or atleast, by yourself
[5:33] <Twist-> yeah, a few hits there.
[5:33] <eveshka> unless you want your head to explode
[5:33] <bity> ya
[5:33] <eveshka> i learned python in 5 days
[5:33] <ReggieUK> but I wouldn't ask here without at least attempting to find the information myself
[5:33] <eveshka> intense intense stuff
[5:33] <eveshka> i ported a game from VB to python, 15000 lines of code
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[5:33] <eveshka> and it actually worked, FASTER :O
[5:33] <bity> meh i get turned off by python
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[5:33] <eveshka> and then i ask that simple question
[5:34] <eveshka> and im told to go re-learn everything
[5:34] <[Saint]> ...duh, because you're doing it wrong.
[5:34] <[Saint]> :P
[5:34] <Twist-> eveshka: I think you're still falling into the trap of caring what random strangers think.
[5:34] <eveshka> what, calling a script from a script? lol
[5:34] <eveshka> Twist- - absolutely
[5:34] <eveshka> you're correct, it is one of my flaws
[5:34] <eveshka> ;)
[5:34] <Twist-> well, stop doing that. :D
[5:35] <[Saint]> It is a very human thing to do.
[5:35] <eveshka> if it was that easy for me i woulda stopped by now captain obvious ;)
[5:35] <eveshka> im very human - apparently
[5:35] <[Saint]> :)
[5:35] <eveshka> very honest down to earth, and have no pride on irc
[5:35] <eveshka> i wind people up by purposely NOT winding them up
[5:35] <Twist-> You learned python in 5 days. You clearly are not human.
[5:35] <ReggieUK> you'll find that there are lots of people out there that are good at everything you want to attempt
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[5:35] <ReggieUK> and they all have their own little methods
[5:35] <eveshka> i have been writing in basic for 26 years or something
[5:35] <ReggieUK> there is some stuff that everyone *has* to do
[5:35] <eveshka> i googled each command when i needed it
[5:36] <eveshka> it took 2 weeks to translate the code entirely
[5:36] <eveshka> i wrote a program in VB that translated half of it for me. brackets, colons, that stuff
[5:36] <eveshka> yeah
[5:36] <eveshka> for me its art
[5:36] <eveshka> you dont mock the paint its done with
[5:36] <ReggieUK> everything else is personal choice
[5:36] <eveshka> mock my game by all means but when people go on about the language - you know they're not creative
[5:36] <eveshka> its like saying "check out my water colour"
[5:37] <eveshka> ..." noob. use oil paints"
[5:37] <Twist-> There are certainly idiomatic ways to handle things in every language. I can imagine you've had to ignore many such techniques brute-force porting from VB to Python like that.
[5:37] <eveshka> (doesnt even look at the painting)
[5:37] <eveshka> it was a test twist, it was a first, so it wont be perfect or amazingly efficient
[5:37] <eveshka> but the good news is, that it works
[5:37] <eveshka> and the style I code in VB is very very...
[5:38] <eveshka> "PROCEDURAL" ;)
[5:38] <Twist-> Yeah. I can just see why language purists might take umbrage.
[5:38] <eveshka> stripped down to nothing and written from scratch. no windows or anything. not even the font is a font, its manually drawn line by line
[5:38] <eveshka> well luckily so far nobody has mocked the game
[5:38] <eveshka> its only when they dont look at the game
[5:38] * [Saint] mocks the game
[5:38] * eveshka takes a bow
[5:38] <ReggieUK> it's difficult though if you're a 'code purist' there's usually a reason why they are like that
[5:38] <eveshka> i mock your game too sir!
[5:39] <[Saint]> Glad to be of service.
[5:39] <ReggieUK> take linux maintainers for instance
[5:39] <eveshka> reggie define "code purist?"
[5:39] <ReggieUK> they're driven by linux
[5:39] <eveshka> linux users are a nightmare
[5:39] <eveshka> hahaha
[5:39] <ReggieUK> I can't define it, it's a term someone else coined
[5:39] <eveshka> broken mouse? get linux./
[5:39] <eveshka> game wont install properly? not enough RAM? get linux
[5:39] <ReggieUK> erm, sorry, they're driven by linus* not linux
[5:39] <eveshka> at heart im a geek
[5:40] <[Saint]> ....uuuuuurgh. Don't get me started.
[5:40] <eveshka> but im a musician first hand
[5:40] <[Saint]> That guy is one of the pople we're talking about.
[5:40] <ReggieUK> so they *have* to follow coding conventions to whatever is specified
[5:40] <Twist-> X11 crashes when you try to use your webcam? get Lin... oh wait. that's why we're having the problem in the first place.
[5:40] <eveshka> i talk to other programmers like a normal human being, i dont overcomplicate it
[5:40] <[Saint]> Linus is....well, he's an interesting fellow.
[5:40] <ItsMeLenny> nobody can claim being a geek if they dont use linux (or bsd or unix or plan 9)
[5:40] <eveshka> i say "you see that code there? that makes the guy jump!"
[5:40] <ItsMeLenny> if you are a gamer you are not a geek
[5:40] <eveshka> i write games is that geeky? ;p
[5:41] <ItsMeLenny> thats nerdy
[5:41] <ItsMeLenny> :P
[5:41] <eveshka> there's a difference? LOL
[5:41] <bity> lol
[5:41] <ItsMeLenny> unless you're on mac, then you're just a hipster
[5:41] <eveshka> i have one freebsd box but i dont know jack all about it. its for the arcade machine
[5:41] <eveshka> nah PC here
[5:41] <bity> or a grandparent
[5:41] <ItsMeLenny> lol
[5:41] <eveshka> im not a millionaire
[5:41] <ItsMeLenny> lol
[5:41] <[Saint]> Linus is very binary. There's no grey with him. You either see his vision, and you're a part of it...or, you can go talk a long walk of a short pier.
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[5:41] <eveshka> this is how i see it
[5:41] <ItsMeLenny> what languages do you code in eveshka
[5:41] <bity> apple products are my number 1 suggestion for anyone over 55
[5:41] <eveshka> get ready
[5:42] <eveshka> visual
[5:42] <eveshka> C.....only joking, BASIC 6
[5:42] <eveshka> wait for it
[5:42] <ItsMeLenny> waiting
[5:42] <eveshka> well mock it then
[5:42] <eveshka> :p
[5:42] <ItsMeLenny> lol
[5:42] <eveshka> go on
[5:42] <eveshka> mock the artists paint!
[5:42] <ItsMeLenny> i am, with my mind power
[5:43] <eveshka> you can never mock the amazing things ive made with it :)
[5:43] <ItsMeLenny> show me something youve made
[5:43] <eveshka> eveshka.com
[5:43] <ReggieUK> people can mock anything
[5:43] <eveshka> rusalka-records.com/hymene
[5:43] <eveshka> rusalka-records.com/pro
[5:43] <ShiftPlusOne> On the other hand, you have channels like this, with 100s of people who are willing to spend their time helping you with problems you may have. You have people contributing to open source projects without getting paid. You get a great OS, decent software, a support channel and yet you still complain that what you find helpful isn't what others find helpful. (This is not aimed at anyone in parti
[5:43] <ShiftPlusOne> cular)
[5:43] <eveshka> wouldnt bother with those last two - no dedicated servers are running, so you wont be able to connect to the MMO
[5:43] <ItsMeLenny> eveshka, you have your own website, you have earned the level of geek
[5:43] <eveshka> :P
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[5:43] <eveshka> i have to have my own website
[5:43] <eveshka> wanna know why?
[5:44] <eveshka> because nobody else is going to do it for me
[5:44] <Ricksl> Making a site isn't that hard.
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[5:44] <eveshka> didnt say it was haha
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[5:44] <ItsMeLenny> yeah, i didnt say it was either'
[5:44] <Twist-> eveshka: false. you can pay people to do things for you.
[5:44] <eveshka> <eveshka> im not a millionaire
[5:44] <ItsMeLenny> doesnt stop people claiming theyre a geek because they have facevook
[5:44] <ReggieUK> only if he has money
[5:44] <eveshka> i dont mind being called a geek or a nerd. its a compliment on irc
[5:44] <eveshka> usually im called a noob who knows nothing
[5:45] <ItsMeLenny> i'll see if i can run this in wine
[5:45] <eveshka> im a musician, i have to do things myself
[5:45] <eveshka> lenny - the first link - crash and burn
[5:45] <bity> atleast they are calling you "hey you over in the bushes"
[5:45] <eveshka> has been ported to python
[5:45] <eveshka> but not uploaded yet
[5:45] <eveshka> so that you linux geeks can play it :D
[5:45] <Ricksl> I took a web design class, neat thing was, the teacher would show us how to make the pages in html, but thats it. I ended up showing half the class how to host one after the semester was up.
[5:45] <eveshka> i gotta admit
[5:45] <eveshka> i HATE writing websites
[5:45] <eveshka> its worse than writing a novel
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[5:45] <eveshka> you sit there in notepad or whatever things you guys use
[5:46] <eveshka> and you're like. what now? ARGH
[5:46] <eveshka> you make a logo. gee that sucks, do it again
[5:46] <Scar3cr0w> notepad ++ FTW
[5:46] <Scar3cr0w> ;)
[5:46] <eveshka> right time for content - er.............
[5:46] <eveshka> i know. i'll put COMING SOON that'll work.
[5:46] <eveshka> website complete!
[5:46] <bity> no love for dreamweaver?
[5:46] <bity> lol
[5:46] <eveshka> nay
[5:46] <Scar3cr0w> Under Construction lol
[5:46] <eveshka> im a control freak
[5:46] <ItsMeLenny> lol, eveshka you could probably compile for linux using basic if you wrote in mono, although i'd much rather the python port, whoever uses mono (puke)
[5:46] <eveshka> dreamweaver would probably hide my files somewhere in mydocuments/my files/his files/program files/their files/documents/settings
[5:47] <Scar3cr0w> or sublime text
[5:47] <eveshka> and i'd upload it to internet
[5:47] <eveshka> and every picture would be missing haha
[5:47] <[Saint]> +1 for sublime
[5:47] <Scar3cr0w> or if your into beta testing stuff like that, check out brackets
[5:47] <Scar3cr0w> think it's by adobe
[5:47] <eveshka> lenny probably but.. the game uses things that things like MONO and GAMBAS simply havent been capable of doing yet
[5:47] <eveshka> because those things seem to be abandoned and well... "BETA"
[5:47] <Scar3cr0w> yea on github : https://github.com/adobe/brackets
[5:48] <eveshka> but i know nothing about linux really, minimal, so ignore me
[5:48] <eveshka> haha
[5:48] <Scar3cr0w> runs on windows just fine :)
[5:48] <eveshka> i wish i had beta testers
[5:48] <eveshka> hardest thing to find, or "alpha" testers you could say
[5:48] <eveshka> people who test my game when its in its more dire state
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[5:48] <eveshka> but then people just go "hey man its just a black screen? whats going on?"
[5:48] <eveshka> and i say YES!!! IT WORKS!
[5:48] <[Saint]> eveshka: IRC protip - talking to a particular person? Try <first_letter_of_their_nick>+[Tab] to autocomplete and highlight them.
[5:48] <ReggieUK> work on linux, there are thousands of beta testers waiting for the right idea
[5:49] <eveshka> then press tab? no way?
[5:49] <eveshka> seriously? ??!!?!?!
[5:49] <Scar3cr0w> tab completion FTW lol
[5:49] <eveshka> is saint trying to be patronising leetist again as earlier discussed?
[5:49] <[Saint]> can't tell if sarcasm of genuine amazement
[5:49] <ReggieUK> that works in windows and linux irc clients!
[5:49] <eveshka> im ripping it out of you
[5:49] <Scar3cr0w> lol, figured :)
[5:49] <eveshka> i dont tab names often for a good reason
[5:49] <nerdboy> okay, final piece for bluetooth is a console agent that doesn't depend on the full python gobject-introspection thing
[5:49] <eveshka> same reason i dont speak uppercase
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[5:50] <eveshka> dont all ask at once what the reason is!
[5:50] <Scar3cr0w> why is that eveshka?
[5:50] * Scar3cr0w takes the bait
[5:51] <eveshka> not trolling
[5:51] <eveshka> its because i want to come across as more humble
[5:51] <eveshka> and by typing peoples names it gives more character
[5:51] <ItsMeLenny> eveshka, i didnt play in it much but that is seriously wicked
[5:51] <eveshka> and it shows some level of respect and how i percieve the name
[5:51] <eveshka> whats wicked?
[5:51] <[Saint]> but, you're not typing their name...you're typing a partial name they may or may not even see. :)
[5:51] <ItsMeLenny> your game
[5:51] <eveshka> i cant tell i fyou're being sarcastic or genuine lenny :p
[5:51] <eveshka> thanks man!
[5:51] <ItsMeLenny> no it was good
[5:52] <eveshka> saint - good point, they might not see it. but they can, i just know it :)
[5:52] <eveshka> thanks lenny =]
[5:52] <eveshka> i should hang out here more often
[5:52] <ItsMeLenny> it'd be nicer at a higher res, thats my only gripe :P
[5:52] <eveshka> which game was it?
[5:52] <eveshka> crash and burn?
[5:52] <ItsMeLenny> yteah
[5:52] <eveshka> you can
[5:52] <eveshka> zxz.conf
[5:52] <ItsMeLenny> oh
[5:52] <ItsMeLenny> ohh
[5:52] <eveshka> i have configs in my games :p
[5:52] <eveshka> have a poke around
[5:52] <eveshka> by the way thats the old version
[5:53] <eveshka> the new version has blood and bones splatting everywhere
[5:53] <ItsMeLenny> i will a bit later, when i can be bothered to find where crossover installs everything
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[5:53] <ItsMeLenny> oh
[5:53] <eveshka> wanna test new versions btw?
[5:53] <eveshka> i need more people interested in teh game
[5:53] <eveshka> can i humbly beg you to like the page if you have FB? :p http://www.facebook.com/CrashAndBurnSkullOfDeath?fref=ts
[5:54] <ItsMeLenny> i dont have facebook
[5:54] <eveshka> no problem then :)
[5:54] <ItsMeLenny> :P i have no social networking things
[5:54] <eveshka> only has 15 likes haha
[5:54] <eveshka> i have to :p its good PR
[5:54] <eveshka> with the music stuff
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[5:54] <ReggieUK> I'm off, g'night all
[5:54] <eveshka> i dont particularly like it though
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[5:54] <eveshka> me too reggie
[5:54] <eveshka> i gotta go to bed, im in the UK too
[5:54] <eveshka> cya folks!
[5:54] <ShiftPlusOne> 'night
[5:54] <[Saint]> I find Google+ to be more of the social network for the technically minded.
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[5:55] <[Saint]> Such things get swamped in Fb.
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[5:55] <ItsMeLenny> yeah, i just couldnt be bothered with G+, it keeps wanting to set me up with it with my gmail and youtube
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[5:55] <ItsMeLenny> but i dont want one, i just want gmail and youtube
[5:56] <[Saint]> You're all like "Hey, check this out!" and then you get drowned out by 17 trillion people crying about how much attention they're not getting and posting lolcat pics.
[5:56] <ItsMeLenny> loool, my brother sent me the best pic, i'll see if i can find it online, it's exactly that
[5:56] <[Saint]> I find Fb to be like reddit....several days late.
[5:57] <ItsMeLenny> [Saint], http://theeharshreality.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/1307112192702.jpg
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[5:58] <[Saint]> ItsMeLenny: You might enjoy this - http://www.youtube.com/v/JvQcabZ1zrk
[5:59] <ItsMeLenny> looooool
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[6:01] <[Saint]> I have Facebook primarily so I can be "creepy facebook stalker guy"
[6:02] <[Saint]> I haven't posted a single thing in ~2 years or so.
[6:02] <Scar3cr0w> damn stumbleupon get's me stuck
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[6:02] <ItsMeLenny> [Saint], when i want to be that guy i log in with my mums dogs facebook account
[6:03] <[Saint]> wait...you mum's dog has...?
[6:03] <[Saint]> I guess I shouldn't be surprised.
[6:03] <ItsMeLenny> :P
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[6:16] <ParkerR> Haha "Adding 'diversion of /boot/bootcode.bin to /usr/share/rpikernelhack/bootcode.bin by rpikernelhack'"
[6:16] <ParkerR> That makes me feel safe XD
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[6:19] <ParkerR> I like how after that it fails to boot
[6:21] <ParkerR> Manual firmware download ftw
[6:21] <ParkerR> -_-
[6:22] <offbyone> Twist-, thanks. I'll queue that up
[6:25] <ParkerR> "3 flashes: loader.bin not found"
[6:25] <ParkerR> There is no loader.bin in the latest download
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[6:26] <ParkerR> https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/tree/master/boot
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[6:28] <ParkerR> Ooops "3 flashes: start.elf not found"
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[6:50] <jmnoz> is there a way to make sure that I can run a pi as a server that it will never *ever* require any human interaction at boot or such (I'm sending it to be hosted)
[6:51] <[Saint]> No. There's no way to guarantee that.
[6:51] <[Saint]> AFAIK there's no way to guarantee that with any system.
[6:52] <mythos> as long as it is turing complete
[6:52] <ParkerR> djazz, :D
[6:52] <ParkerR> Running great on my old install after some general upgrading
[6:53] * john-f is now known as john_f
[6:57] <ParkerR> djazz, I love you
[6:57] <ParkerR> I even added my own radio :D
[7:00] <jmnoz> there's a radio transceiver for the pi?
[7:01] <ParkerR> Oh no
[7:01] <ParkerR> djazz made a nodejs youtube/radio player
[7:01] <jmnoz> ah
[7:02] <ParkerR> Make my Pi play a video :) Accepts a URL or search term
[7:02] * [Saint] gasps in horror.
[7:02] <[Saint]> Head over to DYN and get that biznatch a custom hostname, yo.
[7:02] <ParkerR> I do
[7:02] <ParkerR> Waiting for FreeDNS to update
[7:02] <ParkerR> :3
[7:03] <[Saint]> AH.
[7:03] <jmnoz> I am hungry.
[7:03] <steve_rox> can anyone refresh my memory , whats the rpi cpu max tempature again?
[7:03] <ParkerR> 80 I think
[7:03] <Triffid_Hunter> steve_rox: it'll disable your overclocking settings at 85c
[7:03] <steve_rox> thanks
[7:04] <steve_rox> i just shoved a rpi into a project box with its own lcd
[7:04] <steve_rox> the box has limited airflow
[7:04] <ParkerR> It should be fine
[7:04] <steve_rox> im guessing we cant read the temp on the lanchip?
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[7:17] <joat> steve_rox: you can read it
[7:17] <ParkerR> I got rick rolled
[7:17] <ParkerR> By somebody playing it on my Pi
[7:17] <ParkerR> I'm not even mad
[7:17] <joat> oh, wait... you said the lan chip
[7:20] <steve_rox> ya ;-)
[7:20] <steve_rox> trying to see how hot it gets in this non ventilated box
[7:22] <joat> you can measure the temp on the processor
[7:22] <joat> will give you a relative temp
[7:23] <joat> assuming a raspbian install.... /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd measure_temp
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[7:25] <joat> I worked that into a munin plugin this weekend
[7:29] <steve_rox> on my other rpi that command does not function
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[7:32] <joat> for me, it only runs properly from root
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[7:35] <[Saint]> it should run from any user.
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[7:42] <Kobzar> hi everyone
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[7:47] <\\Mr_C\\> hmm, anyone know anything about this? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230889519145&ssPageName=ADME:B:BOC:US:1123
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[7:53] <joat> Saint: odd... it works today (just as you say). Yesterday it was complaining about not being able to access a library.
[7:54] <hybr1d8> \\Mr_C\\: router without the case ;)
[7:54] <\\Mr_C\\> it has gpio embedded
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[8:16] * [Saint] wonders what good a router with only two ethernet ports is.
[8:17] <[Saint]> I guess it could follow on to a switch, but, that seems excessive added cost.
[8:17] <[Saint]> For a similar price, you could get a router with ~10 or more ports.
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[8:55] <gordonDrogon> good bank holiday morning!
[8:56] <rymate1234> Hmmm
[8:56] <rymate1234> I think my sd is corrupting
[8:57] <rymate1234> What do I do?
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[9:02] <ItsMeLenny> get a new sd
[9:02] <ItsMeLenny> and dont buy it from china
[9:03] <[Saint]> rymate1234: check your power supply and/or disable any overclock you may have.
[9:04] <rymate1234> Ok
[9:04] <rymate1234> ItsMeLenny: Its a sandisk from amazon
[9:04] <[Saint]> If you have a multimeter present, make sure you're getting at least 4.75V across TP1 and TP2
[9:05] <rymate1234> No multimeter
[9:05] <[Saint]> Aha.
[9:05] <Triffid_Hunter> rymate1234: should be tons on amazon <$10
[9:06] <rymate1234> Hmmm
[9:06] <rymate1234> Im not sure if its sdcard corruption or filesystem corruption
[9:06] <Triffid_Hunter> rymate1234: what's the difference?
[9:07] <rymate1234> I dunno
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[9:11] <rymate1234> Yay monochrome composite
[9:11] <rymate1234> ._.
[9:12] <[Saint]> rymate1234: there's no such thing as sdcard corruption.
[9:12] <rymate1234> Oh lol
[9:12] <[Saint]> You cen eventually run out of blocks, but, that's another thing altogether.
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[9:13] <[Saint]> *can
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[9:26] <taza> rymate1234: SD card corruption does exist, but it isn't a gradual process, and it's just another type of filesystem corruption.
[9:27] <[Saint]> errrrrrr...
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[9:29] <taza> rymate1234: How are you arriving at the conclusion that it's data corruption of any sort?
[9:29] <rymate1234> Fs errors on boot up
[9:30] <taza> What kind of errors?
[9:30] <rymate1234> I cant remember
[9:30] <taza> Complaining about utf8 maybe?
[9:30] <rymate1234> They're intermittent though
[9:30] <taza> (Because that's a known bug.)
[9:30] <taza> Hmm. You should write down the exact error next time it pops up.
[9:31] <rymate1234> I'll take a picture of it
[9:31] <taza> rymate1234: When people talk about "SD card corruption" they just mean a write went awry.
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[9:44] <burbankboy> So I finished making a cool case a couple hours ago
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[9:44] <maxinux> yeah? in what? for what medium?
[9:44] <maxinux> my girlfriend made one of the more popular 3d printed cases
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[9:45] <burbankboy> What do you mean what medium? :o
[9:45] <burbankboy> Also cool :)
[9:46] <maxinux> how did you make your case?
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[11:03] <user82> pi is not even more power saving than my desktop encoding with x264..
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[11:04] <gordonDrogon> you have a < 4 watt desktop?
[11:04] <gordonDrogon> please tell me what it is - I want one1
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[11:04] <mike_t> :)
[11:05] <gordonDrogon> just had my electric bill )-:
[11:05] <[Saint]> Oy...don't remind me.
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[11:05] <[Saint]> We;re spending ~$400/m here
[11:05] <gordonDrogon> however it's true that the cost of heating my rambling old mansion far exceeds what I can usefully do with PCs, etc. ...
[11:05] <ShorTie> lol, i'd love a 400 bill
[11:05] <gordonDrogon> $400/month? eek!
[11:06] <[Saint]> Yeah...Winter. :-S
[11:06] <[Saint]> Well, technically Autumn I believe.
[11:06] <gordonDrogon> Ours was �500 for the quarter (Feb-May) for both gas & elec...
[11:06] <gordonDrogon> It was �830 the quarter before that )-:
[11:07] <user82> gordonDrogon, http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=5w%2F0.25fps+%3C+200w%2F24.8fps
[11:07] <[Saint]> Well, once you convert it to NZD, that is...wow.
[11:07] <user82> it is not
[11:07] <user82> (except is wont use frames per second here...shoulf fix that)=
[11:07] <user82> http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=5w%2F0.25frames%2Fs+%3C+200w%2F24.8frames%2Fs
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[11:09] <gordonDrogon> user82, not sure I get it - the Pi decodes h264 at full frame rate, not �fps.
[11:09] <user82> gordonDrogon, ENcoding with x264
[11:09] <user82> jsut tested it
[11:09] <[Saint]> Indeed. Something here is totally messed up.
[11:09] <gordonDrogon> using the GPU? Thought it encoded too?
[11:10] <gordonDrogon> [Saint], it's just gone wintertime here though...
[11:10] <user82> apparently it can...but i wanted to test x264. the output is for my mobile phone where i cannot use a encoder that is not ideal in quality/size
[11:10] <[Saint]> it has?
[11:10] <[Saint]> I thought you'd be coming out of Winter by now.
[11:10] <[Saint]> Or, starting to.
[11:11] <user82> but since NEON is missing all x264 assembly is disabled...which leads to a poor performance
[11:11] <gordonDrogon> [Saint], gone - meaning past - yes, technically it's spring(boing) here.
[11:11] <[Saint]> gordonDrogon: Ahhh, I se. "just gone" is apparently a UKism I'm unfamiliar with.
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[11:12] <[Saint]> I took that to mean that Winter had just arrived, which confused me, seeing as we're at opposite ends of the globe. :)
[11:12] <[Saint]> Its been 1C all day here. Yuck.
[11:13] <[Saint]> My house is rather large, to keep it warm we have three heat pumps going 24/7
[11:13] <[Saint]> Wooden flooring, 120y/o house == cold. :)
[11:14] <gordonDrogon> user82, Hm. Just googled a bit - seems the gpu can encode h264 but there might not be much suport for it - yet - but I imagine that with the camera add-on it's gotten better - not sure if there is a sinple command-liney thing for it though.
[11:14] <[Saint]> The really sad thing is we have 4 massive open fire places in this place
[11:14] <[Saint]> ...that we can't use.
[11:14] <gordonDrogon> [Saint], we have wood + flagstones and granite walls - typical Devon Georgian town house c260 years old...
[11:15] <[Saint]> Aha, I see. You know all about cold winters then ;)
[11:15] <[Saint]> We have flagstone in the kitchen as well.
[11:15] <gordonDrogon> [Saint], http://unicorn.drogon.net/officeFire.jpg <- I can use my fire though :)
[11:15] <user82> gordonDrogon, yeah i read that there is a script that takes raw input. that would be managable with pipes but i guess the quality is too bad. x264 is really advanced
[11:15] <[Saint]> Nice to look at.
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[11:16] <[Saint]> gordonDrogon: we're allowed to use "Clean Air Approved" flued log burners here...but, not open fires, sadly.
[11:16] <[Saint]> Which is a crying shame.
[11:16] <user82> i guess i will use my ouya once its here. around 10w and a quadcore where assembly can be used
[11:16] <[Saint]> gordonDrogon: is that on a wetback system?
[11:17] <gordonDrogon> [Saint], proper log burners are much more heat efficient than an open fire though.
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[11:17] <[Saint]> (note: fireplaces, not racism)
[11:17] <gordonDrogon> [Saint], no back boiler (if that's what you mean)
[11:17] * [Saint] nods
[11:17] * JakeSays yawns
[11:17] <gordonDrogon> we've got a much bigger log burner in the living room.
[11:18] <[Saint]> The heat pumps are "OK", but, ..its just not the same as a fireplace.
[11:18] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/xmasFire.jpg
[11:18] <gordonDrogon> :)
[11:18] <[Saint]> Even if a fireplace puts out less heat, the flame makes one feel warm.
[11:19] <gordonDrogon> drafty - some open fires can actually have a negative effect as they suck in more cold air...
[11:19] <ShorTie> nice gordonDrogon
[11:19] <SpeedEvil> Also - getting chimneysweeps is a bastard.
[11:19] <[Saint]> Yeah, these have been blocked off and insulated.
[11:20] <SpeedEvil> You can't get the starved 8 year-olds these days.
[11:20] <ShorTie> i gave up on wood, too messy
[11:20] <SpeedEvil> It's health and safety gone mad.
[11:20] <ShorTie> coal is so much nicer
[11:20] <[Saint]> Not if you're a coal miner.
[11:20] <[Saint]> ...or the environment.
[11:20] <[Saint]> Coal is evil, really.
[11:20] * gordonDrogon reminds everyone of the family-friendly status of this channel... http://alturl.com/jc97e
[11:21] <taza> user82: Remember to take off the case of the Ouya
[11:21] <SpeedEvil> Also, you can get fake gas fires plus heatpumps
[11:21] <gordonDrogon> my office one will burn either coal or wood. I sometimes use coal.
[11:21] <user82> taza i still don't believe a mobile chip really gets that hot with a fan..but who knows
[11:22] <user82> first we need a distro anyways..none yet
[11:22] <taza> user82: The thermal design is botched big time.
[11:22] <taza> Needs more fan holes.
[11:22] <[Saint]> Even if it does get hot, it has the same safety protection for thermal cutoff every other modern SoC has.
[11:22] <[Saint]> Nothing to worry about, at all.
[11:22] <user82> that can be done...but not on my kickstarter version ;)
[11:23] <[Saint]> If you can cram an octa-core SoC in a 8mm thick phone with no cooling - we're fine.
[11:23] <[Saint]> People freak out about cooling far too much.
[11:23] <JakeSays> gets a bit hot to hold tho
[11:23] <user82> thought so too...since it only needs around 7w by the first measurement
[11:24] <JakeSays> my dual core galaxy note gets very warm
[11:24] <user82> usually mobile designs can easily go up to 70�C or more before throttling i guess? but at around 50� most people would say "hot"?
[11:24] <[Saint]> Sure, but "very warm" to a human is 40~50C, which is *nothing* to a modern SoC.
[11:25] <[Saint]> Even when a human thinks "Ohhh, gee, that's hot" you've still got around ~30C of room to play with.
[11:26] <[Saint]> TL;DR: they will get "hot", but, they're perfectly capable of looking after themselves.
[11:27] <[Saint]> Even when they throttle or shutdown due to a thermal cap, that is still well within safe operating temperature.
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[11:34] <Triffid_Hunter> fwiw, the threshold of burning is 45c
[11:34] <Triffid_Hunter> most silicon will still operate correctly at ~100c
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[11:58] <Jck_true> As a side note the AMD Turion 64 cou cuts off at 119C :P
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[12:07] <gordonDrogon> PiFace abuse :) https://projects.drogon.net/piface-abuse-using-inputs-as-outputs/
[12:08] <knoppies> [Saint], so running my i5 in my laptop at 98C is perfectly fine?
[12:09] <Jck_true> knoppies: That might be on the high end :D
[12:09] <knoppies> Jck_true, thats what I thought.
[12:10] <djazz> ParkerR: great! :D
[12:10] <djazz> its offline now though :/
[12:11] <Jck_true> I run my pc's like an engine through - Gotta be hot before i make it work!
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[12:13] <knoppies> Jck_true, seriously? I always thought they worked better when cooler (less throttling and more boost)
[12:14] <Jck_true> knoppies: Scarasm :)
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[12:15] <Jck_true> I'm actually throttling my work laptop so i don't have to listen to the fan -
[12:15] <gordonDrogon> some dmos/power mosfets can run well over 100C - ones used in (stepper) motor drivers regularly get that hot. (looks at burnt fingertips)
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[12:16] <Jck_true> It's no fun untill they desolder themselves from the PCB
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[12:18] <gordonDrogon> :)
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[12:22] <Jck_true> gordonDrogon: had a work project building a control box for a crane... MOSFET for controlling a vacuum pump (Spikes at 40amps powering up) - I got one controlbox in for service where 3 mosfet had desolder and was laying loose in the casing...
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[12:25] <gordonDrogon> I'd consider those "fuses" :)
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[12:59] <muhfiasbin> Hi all..
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[13:03] <gordonDrogon> hi
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[13:06] <vadmeste> Hello everybody. When I plug my USB key, the RPI reboots itself.. Does that mean that the USB key needs too much power and probably won't work with the card ?
[13:07] <Kev-> vadmeste: yes, probably
[13:07] <adeus> plug it in before you power the board
[13:07] <Kev-> Or more likely: You need a better power supply and/or usb cable for the pi
[13:07] <Kev-> Is it a usb flash drive?
[13:08] <vadmeste> Kev-: it's an Aeon Labs Zwave USB controller key..
[13:09] <vadmeste> In fact, the real problem that's is my filesystem gets corrupted frequently and I don't know really why.. Am I also getting some timeouts related to the sdcard in dmesg... I don't think it's a powering problem because I am using an USB charger 5V / 2A
[13:09] <[Saint]> Are you OC'd?
[13:10] <vadmeste> [Saint]: sorry, what do you mean by OC'd ?
[13:10] <[Saint]> Over Clocked
[13:10] <vadmeste> no, I am not.
[13:10] <[Saint]> Well, I suggest you check to see if your power supply is actually supplying what it claims, then.
[13:11] <[Saint]> Whatever it says on the PSU is basically meaningless.
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[13:11] <[Saint]> They often lie.
[13:12] <[Saint]> Check across TP1 and TP2 with a multimeter. You're looking for at least 4.75V, preferably 4.9ish.
[13:12] <vadmeste> [Saint]: I already did and it's ~= 5.12
[13:13] <[Saint]> Hmmmm. Are you powering down safely?
[13:13] <[Saint]> An unclean shutdown can and will trash the FS.
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[13:15] <ozzzy> is that 5.12v with the key plugged in?
[13:15] <vadmeste> ozzzy: yes
[13:15] <ozzzy> do you have an o-scope
[13:15] * [Saint] is still waiting for the previous question to be answered
[13:15] <Kev-> Also, what sd card do you have? Some cheap chinese cards can give you troubles
[13:15] <vadmeste> ozzzy: no :( .. I just have multimeter
[13:16] <ozzzy> does it come up fine when the key is plugged in on bootup?
[13:16] <vadmeste> [Saint]: I remember that doing almost ten reboots properly will corrupt my FS.. I am trying again right now to check again
[13:16] <vadmeste> ozzzy: yes
[13:17] <ozzzy> vadmeste: then what you PROBABLY have is a spike when you plug the thing in that brings the voltage down below the level the pi can handle momentarily
[13:17] <[Saint]> If you plug the key in when the piu is already running, that could cause a dip that could cause FS corruption.
[13:17] <[Saint]> *pi
[13:17] <ozzzy> only solution is to plug it in before booting the pi or use a powered hub
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[13:19] <vadmeste> okay..
[13:19] <[Saint]> My guess at this stage is that the power dip is the cause of the FS corruption.
[13:20] <[Saint]> So hopefullt plugging before boot solves both issues.
[13:20] <[Saint]> *hopefully
[13:20] <ozzzy> what fs corruption?
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[13:20] <[Saint]> FS == filesystem
[13:20] <ozzzy> ahhh... I missed that line
[13:20] <vadmeste> ozzzy: my fs corrupted is my original problem
[13:20] <ozzzy> try another sd card
[13:21] <vadmeste> ok..
[13:21] <vadmeste> I got this error in dmesg "mmc0: missed completion of cmd 18 DMA (1024/1024 [1]/[1]) - ignoring it"
[13:21] <vadmeste> "mmc0: DMA IRQ 6 ignored - results were reset"
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[13:21] <vadmeste> and I plugged all in my powered hub
[13:22] <gordonDrogon> vadmeste, have you updated your system since install?
[13:22] <vadmeste> usb hub
[13:22] <vadmeste> gordonDrogon: well... I am using OpenEmbedded.. why do you think that I need an update ? what should I update exactly ?
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[13:25] <gordonDrogon> openembedded - that's a new one on me.
[13:25] * gordonDrogon googles.
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[13:26] <vadmeste> emm.. maybe I should use another kernel version...
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[13:28] <gordonDrogon> the kernel has gone through dozens of patches and updates over the months, so who knows...
[13:28] <pothibo> I think I fried my Pi, I was using a power supply 5v 4A and was connecting GPIOS to a sainsmart relay channel (5v). We had a power outage 2 days ago. I'm trying to figure out what happened
[13:28] <gordonDrogon> but making it's relatively up to date might be good anyway.
[13:29] <gordonDrogon> pothibo, disconnect the in-sane un-smart relay board and see if it boots.
[13:29] <pothibo> I did
[13:29] <pothibo> didn't boot
[13:29] <pothibo> red led is on, but ACT one seems to be dimmer
[13:30] <gordonDrogon> re-flash SD card..
[13:30] <mgottschlag> very dim act light is somewhat normal if it doesn't boot correctly, probably because the pin is switched to input mode and little current flows
[13:30] <pothibo> I did
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[13:31] <mgottschlag> (although, that doesn't make any sense, it's probably rather that the pin wasn't configured for right output strength)
[13:31] <gordonDrogon> checked the TP1/2 voltage? wondering if you have a slow polyfuse...
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[13:31] <pothibo> mgottschlag: what do you mean?
[13:32] <mgottschlag> nothing, just that dim act light doesn't mean the hardware is broken
[13:32] <pothibo> gordonDrogon: market are close at this hour here. Gonna buy multimeter when shops open
[13:32] <pothibo> mgottschlag: that would be good news
[13:32] <pothibo> mgottschlag: would it be possible that by playing directly with GPIOS I switched mode on current?
[13:33] <mgottschlag> no, the gpio settings are resetted on every reboot
[13:33] <mgottschlag> but maybe the bootloader is broken somehow
[13:33] <pothibo> Hmm actually, it's not the power outage. Stupid me.
[13:33] <pothibo> I turned the pi back on after the outage and it was fine
[13:34] <gordonDrogon> it is possible to potentially damage the Pi by poking about with the GPIOs - even with no hardware connected.
[13:34] <gordonDrogon> although it usually results in a reboot, but who knows...
[13:34] <pothibo> gordonDrogon: well, I didn't poke around for the last 2 days. Expirements with gpios are finished since last week
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[13:35] <gordonDrogon> pothibo, not sure what to suggest - try leaving it powered down, un-connected for an hour or 2 - just in-case it's the polyfuse - double-check the SD card too - try different SD card & psu is you have them...
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[13:36] <pothibo> Been unplugged for the whole night
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[13:37] <gordonDrogon> well if you're sure about the SD & PSU, then you might be looking at a bye bye raspberry pi ...
[13:38] <ozzzy> they seem to be quite easy to brick
[13:38] <ozzzy> LOL
[13:38] <pksato> pothibo: check voltages, 5v before and after polyfuse, 3v3 and 1v8.
[13:39] <pothibo> gordonDrogon: yup, ordered 2 pi this morning, Just trying to fix it
[13:39] <pothibo> ozzzy: not sure why you think it's funny
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[13:41] <gordonDrogon> I have a Pi here that almost always needs a power cycle when I reboot it... Thought it was the PSU, but I swapped that, and it did reboot OK when I tested it after that, but just rebooted it now and it's gone back to sitting at the rainbow screen - power cycle and it's OK.
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[13:41] <pothibo> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=8226&start=100
[13:41] <gordonDrogon> annoying as I fitted it to the back on my montor with a vesa mount kit, so it's fiddly to get to )-:
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[13:42] <gordonDrogon> it's also the very first Pi I got - with the overvolt flag set - not sure that's important though - not OV/OC it at all now.
[13:42] <ozzzy> pothibo: it's funny as it seems to be a badge of honour with some 'I've popped three of them so far' to quote a previous discussion
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[13:47] <gordonDrogon> I've bought 6 Pi's. 5 are still working fine - one is lost. (as in I don't know where it is lost)
[13:47] <gordonDrogon> so that 6th is probably still going fine.
[13:47] <linuxstb> gordonDrogon: That's just careless ;)
[13:49] <gordonDrogon> linuxstb, yea I know - took it to the Manchester Pi Jamboree and it must have gotten mixed up with the dozens of others that were there )-:
[13:50] <pothibo> gordonDrogon: did you try a new SD Card?
[13:50] <pothibo> seems there's many issue with sd card
[13:51] <ozzzy> I only buy SanDisk 16G cards at Costco.... they all work in everything I've tried them in
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[13:55] <Jck_true> linuxstb: It just seems a bit silly to stick a 100$ GPS tracker on a 35$ device...
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[14:03] <linuxstb> Jck_true: Did you mean to highlight me?
[14:03] <Jck_true> linuxstb: Partly :)
[14:04] * linuxstb suspects he's missed something
[14:04] <gordonDrogon> pothibo, for the one that doesn't re-boot? No... Maybe I should listen to my own advice :)
[14:04] <gordonDrogon> still - it's lunchtime on a bank holiday and it's still not raining, so that means another bbq :)
[14:05] <Jck_true> linuxstb: [13:47:58] <linuxstb> gordonDrogon: That's just careless ;)
[14:06] <linuxstb> Jck_true: Ah, I'm just slow ;)
[14:06] <linuxstb> You'ld also need a battery pack and 3G dongle...
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[14:07] <Jck_true> aircrack? If you're a lost pi looking to find it's way home you might aswell try to crack some poor WEP encryption
[14:09] <SpeedEvil> Jck_true: What are you trying to do?
[14:09] <SpeedEvil> Oh - right - nvm - just lost pi
[14:09] <SpeedEvil> I'm involved with people (peripherally) on another channel sending pi's up 40km and finding them afterwards.
[14:11] <pothibo> gordonDrogon: ;)
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[14:12] <Jck_true> I buildt an SMS service last weekend... Sign up for training at the local club - Webinterface where you enter a short message - Then people anser with "YES/NO" and a short message :)
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[14:12] <Jck_true> Gammu + PHP + Twitter Bootstrap + Pi + Huwaii E160G USB modem
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[14:17] <dash00> hi ppl, has somebody experience with raspberry-pi and kinect ? pm plz
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[14:22] <ItsMeLenny> toatz pm him
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[14:40] <dash00> SpeedEvil, " I'm involved with people (peripherally) on another channel sending pi's up 40km and finding them afterwards." are you sending pi to stratosphere?
[14:40] <SpeedEvil> yes
[14:42] <SpeedEvil> https://twitter.com/daveake/status/338731412377186304
[14:42] <SpeedEvil> http://t.co/hMjaV4URPX
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[14:43] <dash00> SpeedEvil, awesome man ! :D
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[14:45] <cm13g09> SpeedEvil: are you in #highaltitude as well?
[14:45] <cm13g09> So you are....
[14:45] <SpeedEvil> yes
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[14:47] <Pouet78> Hello
[14:47] <pothibo> Cool stuff
[14:47] <redostrike> Cool SpeedEvil
[14:47] <ripzay> i can see my house from there!
[14:47] <cm13g09> SpeedEvil: was tracking that one yesterday
[14:47] <ripzay> it's the pixel approx 1/3rd from the top left
[14:48] <SpeedEvil> I should point out that by 'peripherally' - I mean that I hang out in the same channel.
[14:48] <ripzay> (in both directions)
[14:48] <SpeedEvil> I have no actual involvement other than that in that flight.
[14:48] <cm13g09> heh
[14:48] <cm13g09> fair enough
[14:49] <Pouet78> the updated .deb packages for firmwares and other do not show the changelog details. Only displaying "firmware as of xxxxx" is annoying
[14:49] <Pouet78> do you know if it is possible for next updates to have details?
[14:50] <Pouet78> and by the way where to get changelogs of this particular xxxx?
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[14:58] <mrmoney2012> hi all i want to run a couple of things at boot in rc.local… works fine but they start as user root - how do i get them to run as user pi
[14:58] <mrmoney2012> command is … raspistill -tl 500 -t 999999 -vf -w 960 -h 720 -o /tmp/test.jpg -n -q 50 &
[14:59] <pksato> mrmoney2012: try, su user -c command
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[15:00] <mrmoney2012> oops - su: invalid option -- 't'
[15:01] <cm13g09> mrmoney2012: your command needs to be in ""
[15:01] <cm13g09> when you send it to su
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[15:02] <mrmoney2012> ok
[15:02] <Pouet78> you can try also with cron and use the @ to say on startup...
[15:02] <pksato> su pi "aspistill -tl 500 -t 999999 -vf -w 960 -h 720 -o /tmp/test.jpg -n -q 50
[15:02] <pksato> "
[15:02] <mrmoney2012> ok - but it asks for password
[15:02] <mrmoney2012> su pi -c "raspistill -tl 500 -t 999999 -vf -w 960 -h 720 -o /tmp/test.jpg -n -q 50 &"
[15:03] <mrmoney2012> this… sudo su pi -c "raspistill -tl 500 -t 999999 -vf -w 960 -h 720 -o /tmp/test.jpg -n -q 50 &"
[15:03] <mrmoney2012> seems to work without password
[15:03] <pksato> if run as root, not ask for password.
[15:04] <pksato> sudo, also, can do it to.
[15:04] <Pouet78> maybe a nohup would be useful?
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[15:07] <mrmoney2012> thanks got it working now
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[15:10] <user82> x264 is probablly slow because it is swaping a lot...
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[15:25] <vadmeste> Hello again. I browsed some web pages and it seems that a power supply crash is definitely not healthy for the raspberry-pi, what do you think ?
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[15:25] <IT_Sean> vadmeste: if your power supply conks out, it is possible to end up with a corrupt SD card image.
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[15:26] <vadmeste> what about directly unplugging the USB charger ?
[15:27] <IT_Sean> A sudden loss of power can lead to SD card corruption
[15:28] <IT_Sean> you should make it a habit to do a safe shutdown before removing power
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[15:37] <fsphil> anyone know off hand what the resolution limits are for Theora in omxplayer?
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[15:37] <fsphil> I'm not able to play a 512x288 stream, but 384x288 works
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[15:47] <djazz> can I install bluez on the pi without isntalling dozens of printer drivers and cups?
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[15:52] <chithead> on gentoo, yes. just disable the cups USE flag
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[16:02] <schnuws> Hellu!
[16:02] <djazz> hi!
[16:03] <schnuws> sup? ^__^
[16:03] <djazz> just got my bt keyboard connected to rpi
[16:03] <schnuws> Awesomeness !
[16:03] <djazz> its a tiny keybard
[16:03] <djazz> xD
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[16:04] <schnuws> which one? =D
[16:04] <djazz> idk, its copy copy of Rii
[16:04] <djazz> without mousepad
[16:04] <schnuws> mkay
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[16:12] <gordonDrogon> I always wondered about bt keyboards vs. the sort of ones with a dedicated interface - seems that bt just introduce more problems ...
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[16:20] <gbaman> anyone know the focal length, horizontal field of view or the crop factor of the raspi camera board?
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[16:30] <gordonDrogon> and it starts to rain. Oh well - longest bank holiday without rain for a long time!
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[16:57] <ParkerR> djazz, Ping
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[16:58] <ParkerR> djazz, omxradio: program of the year, all years
[16:59] <gbaman> anyone know the focal length, horizontal field of view or the crop factor of the raspi camera board?
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[17:00] <ParkerR> gbaman, No need to repeat. If somebody knows they will answer
[17:01] <ParkerR> gbaman, http://www.ovt.com/products/sensor.php?id=66
[17:03] <ParkerR> "My estimate of the focal length is 6.50+/-0.01mm"
[17:03] <ParkerR> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=32605&p=351484
[17:03] <djazz> ParkerR: :D
[17:04] <ParkerR> "This corresponds to a 31.19+/-0.05 degree horizontal field of view at 2592 horizontal pixels and a 23.65+/-0.04 degree vertical field of view at 1944 vertical pixels."
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[17:08] <ParkerR> [Saint], DNS finally decided to work :D http://minecrafted.mooo.com:7000/
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[17:18] <dash00> Hi, I'm trying to connect Kinect with raspberry pi, I've found few tutorials, but this (http://gremsi.blogspot.cz/2013/04/installing-openni-sensorkinect-and.html) seems quite good. But what's wrong, that I've got error in compiling - http://pastebin.com/VDqpHh7q - some idea?
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[17:54] <eggy> Is there any more information on xwayland on the pi? I've not been able to get any x11 applications working within weston (neither compiled from git nor the deb packages).
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[18:09] <Perkele> how do i use a functor recursively? how do i call it from within itself?
[18:09] <Perkele> oops wrong channel sorry
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[18:10] <gordonDrogon> recursion.
[18:11] <gordonDrogon> See above.
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[18:17] <djazz> gordonDrogon: oh no, i got stuck D:
[18:17] <Mogwai> eggy: See http://wayland.freedesktop.org/xserver.html .. around the bottom of the page
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[18:18] <gordonDrogon> djazz, out of stack space? ;-)
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[18:20] <djazz> testing omxplayer's --win parameter! http://i.imgur.com/NknZbjT.jpg
[18:21] <djazz> --win "960 20 1920 540" top right corner quarter
[18:22] <djazz> change 20 to 0 for no top bar
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[18:24] <user82> hi. can i recompile the raspberry pi kernel to allow more "ok" led sources?
[18:25] <user82> i only see the triggers off and sd card
[18:27] <user82> found something...
[18:27] <gordonDrogon> user82, you can control that LED from userland if you like...
[18:28] <gordonDrogon> as well as the kernel - don't know about kernel triggers though.
[18:28] <user82> "modprobe ledtrig_timer" <- found this gordonDrogon
[18:28] <user82> it allows to blink with a frequency
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[18:28] <gordonDrogon> what do you want to do with it?
[18:29] <RoyK> why would anyone use the kernel for something like blinking a LED?
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[18:29] <user82> want to detemine wether pi crashed or just wifi
[18:29] <user82> no memory card access in idle
[18:29] <gordonDrogon> that's a tricky one - some crashes might leave some bits of software running...
[18:30] <user82> hah yeah. it only happened once for now but i prefer the blinking light
[18:30] <eggy> guess I need to compile xserver..
[18:32] <gordonDrogon> user82, do you have wiringPi installed?
[18:33] <user82> gordonDrogon, yeah also
[18:33] <user82> i know that would work too
[18:33] <gordonDrogon> user82, ok - try this: cd ~/wiringPi/examples ; make okLed ; sudo ./okLed
[18:33] <Matt> gordonDrogon: indeed - I've not seen it with a Pi, but in my experience, when a Linux box loses IO to it's primary storage, the kernel keeps running, but any process attempting to access the disk hangs
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[18:34] <Matt> so it'll answer pings, and you can get a tcp connection on port 22, but you never get the ssh banner
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[18:35] <gordonDrogon> also, one thing you might want to look at is the 'hangcheck timer' it's a kernel feature - not sure if it's compiled into the Pi's Kernel though.
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[18:35] <user82> thanks gordonDrogon
[18:36] <gordonDrogon> user82, you should now have a pulsing OK led :)
[18:36] <gordonDrogon> http://www.rampant-books.com/art_hunter_rac_oracle%20linux_hangcheck_kernel_module.htm
[18:36] <XxSwitchBladexX> Got a question?
[18:37] <user82> gordonDrogon, where is wiringpi located? not in ~ for me
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[18:38] <gordonDrogon> usually in ~ if you followed the usual install instructions.
[18:38] <gordonDrogon> go you have the gpio command - ie. gpio -v
[18:38] <user82> heh...came from yaourt. let me check the package content
[18:39] <gordonDrogon> yaourt - sounds like a tasty fermented milk product...
[18:39] <gordonDrogon> Ah, it's Arch Linux.
[18:40] <pothibo> <3 arch
[18:41] <gordonDrogon> cd ; git clone git://git.drogon.net/wiringPi ; cd wiringPi ; ./build ; gpio -v
[18:41] <user82> yep
[18:41] <user82> good idea building
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[18:42] <djazz> I like arch on my pi's
[18:42] <djazz> but now i started experimenting with having a X server
[18:42] <djazz> its horribly slow in arch
[18:42] <djazz> compared to raspbian
[18:43] <djazz> running same window manager
[18:43] <gordonDrogon> that surprises me - given Arch is compiled for the Pi..
[18:43] <djazz> yea
[18:43] <djazz> i get render-lines when a window updates, moving a window
[18:43] <djazz> and its very slow/non-responsive
[18:44] <gordonDrogon> it's been some time since I ran X on a Pi - I use vncserver occasionally.
[18:44] <djazz> i usually run commandline only, ssh
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[18:44] <gordonDrogon> must get some more SD cards and load up arch and the new pidora thing at some point.
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[18:44] <djazz> then i found Awesome and wanted to try it on my pi
[18:45] <gordonDrogon> I use xfce4 on my normaly desktop and on the Pi. Seems OK.
[18:45] <djazz> awesome is very lightweight
[18:45] <djazz> panel, tiles
[18:45] <djazz> no window borders/decoration
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[18:45] <Redostrike> I was thinking the same thing yesterday need to get some more SD cards to load more
[18:46] <djazz> i have five cards, and five pi's
[18:46] <Redostrike> now it's switching my card between cam/pi
[18:46] <Redostrike> think i might buy a 8 gb
[18:46] <Redostrike> for my cam
[18:46] <Redostrike> and use my 4 gb for pi
[18:47] <djazz> i use 8gb class 10 on my pi's
[18:47] <djazz> webserver have 16 gb
[18:47] <gordonDrogon> I was toying with the idea of running LXC (virtualisation) on a Pi to have a few different distros running at once, but it's ever so slightly short of RAM )-:
[18:47] <Redostrike> just need 4 with arch
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[18:47] <djazz> :P
[18:47] <gordonDrogon> mug of tea time. brb.
[18:48] <Redostrike> yeah that would be awesome
[18:48] <Redostrike> porting proxmox for pi
[18:48] <Redostrike> xD
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[18:48] <Redostrike> run 3 ms-dos virtual machines on it
[18:48] <Redostrike> and then let it crash
[18:48] <user82> gordonDrogon, works. thx
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[18:49] <Redostrike> i'm glad to hear there are still some tea drinking people arround gordonDrogon
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[18:50] <user82> Redostrike, i got a new tea pot just today
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[18:53] <Redostrike> own plant or bought in store?
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[18:55] <Redostrike> now i'm in the mood for some tea
[18:56] <Redostrike> brb
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[19:10] * gordonDrogon has a big mug of earl grey :)
[19:10] <gordonDrogon> I like coffee in the mornings & tea in the afternoon/evenings..
[19:10] * ozzzy has a large mug of coffee
[19:10] * djazz has an Ubuntu cup :)
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[19:20] <user82> wow praise the GBit. full hd with mediatomb/upnp to my phone
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[19:22] <ozzzy> why would you want to watch full hd on a teeny, tiny screen
[19:23] <gordonDrogon> user82, do check the code to the okLed.c program to see what its doing, so you can do your own thing if you want to.
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[19:24] <SpeedEvil> ozzzy: If your eyes are focussed - and the gadget is still - for the same reasons you'd watch it on a larger device
[19:24] <user82> gordonDrogon, it works fine thanks. i would love to move one project to my pi but i am very busy ..
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[19:25] * Redostrike has a big mug
[19:27] * djazz is installing arch on another sd card
[19:27] <djazz> i will do some more raspbian vs arch testing
[19:28] <pothibo> I wonder why arch wasn't choosen primary for the pi
[19:28] <djazz> concerning X performance
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[19:28] <djazz> yeah
[19:28] <djazz> pacman > apt
[19:28] <pothibo> well it's not only that
[19:28] <djazz> :)
[19:28] <djazz> systemd > initd
[19:28] <pothibo> yeah
[19:28] <pothibo> systemd is awesome
[19:28] <djazz> <3 systemd
[19:28] <pothibo> and less service installed by default
[19:28] <djazz> want a systemd service that shows an animation on boot?
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[19:29] <djazz> pothibo: http://pastebin.com/9aXrcNtG
[19:29] <djazz> using omxplayer
[19:29] <gordonDrogon> pothibo, I don't think Arch was ready at the time
[19:29] <pothibo> djazz: lol ;)
[19:29] <gordonDrogon> they were doing with a Red Hat thing, but it was too buggy, so switched to Debian, then Raspbian.
[19:29] <pothibo> gordonDrogon I see!
[19:29] <djazz> pothibo: but arch boots so fast so you can only have a 3 sec mp4 or so
[19:30] <pothibo> djazz: I rather have a screen like os x has
[19:30] <djazz> I'd love to see an arch-based raspbian
[19:30] <pothibo> but I don't really care on the pi, it should never boot so ...
[19:30] <djazz> with pistore, lxde, raspi-config...
[19:30] <gordonDrogon> personally I welcomed the move - I'd have run Debian anyway as it's what I've been using for the past 18 years.
[19:30] <eggy> arch vs debina?
[19:30] <pothibo> gordonDrogon: there's no bad choice
[19:30] <pothibo> eggy: no
[19:31] <eggy> oh
[19:31] <gordonDrogon> there's personal choice.
[19:31] <djazz> i have always been running ubuntu
[19:31] <gordonDrogon> and personally I might not have bothered with the Pi had there not been a debian for it.
[19:31] <djazz> but arch was easy and simple to get into
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[19:32] <eggy> I've been an ubuntu user; naturally I have been using the Debian variant for the pi
[19:32] <djazz> also, why has raspbian a very outdated version of nodejs? its very popular on the pi
[19:32] <eggy> have not ventured into other distributions yet.
[19:32] <djazz> same with some other packages, compared to arch
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[19:32] <Sonny_jim> Hola
[19:33] <djazz> hi
[19:33] <eggy> djazz: that's common with Debian's packaging. For unknown reasons its outdated.
[19:33] <djazz> eggy: its up to date in Debian Wheezy
[19:33] <djazz> i think
[19:33] <djazz> is there a Raspbian unstable/dev version?
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[19:34] <djazz> oh, nvm, still outdated in "sid" debian
[19:34] <djazz> "sid (unstable)" lol
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[19:35] <eggy> I've never really understood Debian's packaging 'system'
[19:36] <djazz> what packages are required to run X?
[19:36] <djazz> on the pi
[19:36] <eggy> not the technology behind debs and such, I understand how those work.. but sid vs.. whatever
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[19:36] <gordonDrogon> sid is unstable.
[19:36] <gordonDrogon> sid is always unstable :)
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[19:37] <gordonDrogon> stable is now wheezy.
[19:37] <djazz> 0.6.9 on raspbian, 0.6.9 in sid, 0.10.8 is latest version
[19:37] <eggy> yea, but it still has outdated packages :)
[19:37] <eggy> that's what I don't get
[19:37] <gordonDrogon> it's up to the package maintainer to pull & integrate the latest version.
[19:37] <djazz> I use nodejs alot, every time i install raspbian I must wait 2-3 hours for it to compile
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[19:38] <djazz> and that wont keep it up to date
[19:38] <pothibo> eggy: debian follow a stricter approach for package inclusion
[19:38] <gordonDrogon> it's fixed at 0.6.9 for the lifetime of wheezy now.
[19:38] <djazz> also latest raspbian release was in february? why not make a more up to date .img?
[19:38] <djazz> so much updates
[19:39] <ParkerR> Umm
[19:39] <djazz> and raspi-config is outdated by default
[19:39] <gordonDrogon> djazz, this is true - I did a new one recently.
[19:39] <djazz> hi ParkerR
[19:39] <djazz> hm?
[19:39] <pothibo> goal with debian isn't it be bleeding edge, it's to be sure everything is compatible together
[19:39] <gordonDrogon> however it all takes time and effort by someone (a volunteer) to do it ...
[19:39] <pothibo> arch is less "compatible" in that fashion
[19:40] <djazz> i wish omxplayer was in arch repo by default
[19:40] <ParkerR> djazz, Nothing. Thinking as usual
[19:40] <djazz> :D
[19:40] <pothibo> djazz: archlinux-arm isn't arch…
[19:40] <pothibo> it's 2 separate project
[19:40] <gordonDrogon> and things are still being updated in wheezy - this mornings pull brought in a good dozen or so updates.
[19:40] <djazz> pothibo: yes, thats why it should be there for the pi
[19:40] <pothibo> djazz: you can add it
[19:40] <gordonDrogon> it usually takes a month or 2 for a new debian release to "calm down" ...
[19:40] <djazz> whenever i mention arch here i mean arch for arm, on the pi
[19:41] <djazz> pothibo: yea i can use yaourt to install it
[19:41] <djazz> its in the AUR
[19:41] <pothibo> djazz: I see
[19:41] <djazz> or is there an easier way than not compiling it?
[19:41] * pothibo doesn't like aur
[19:41] * djazz doesnt like the need of other package managers
[19:41] <djazz> like yaourt
[19:42] <djazz> it should be built into pacman
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[19:42] <Redostrike> you can use pacman with aur
[19:42] <djazz> "installing update 30 of 102" :l
[19:42] <Redostrike> but it's some config
[19:43] <djazz> Redostrike: aha, i noticed when I installed "adduser" it said AUR something
[19:43] <djazz> with pacman
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[19:44] <Redostrike> true
[19:44] <Redostrike> i dont like aur to much
[19:44] <Redostrike> i try to keep away from it
[19:44] <djazz> i think, its an easy way for devs to get their software out
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[19:44] <Redostrike> but most of the time my curiosity wins
[19:45] <Redostrike> and i end up installing yaourt :)
[19:45] <djazz> debian have sources.lst
[19:45] <djazz> yeah
[19:45] <djazz> when i install arch, i always install yaourt and then omxplayer
[19:45] <djazz> cuz its too awesome
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[19:46] <Redostrike> hehe true
[19:46] <djazz> 53/102...
[19:46] <djazz> hmm
[19:47] <djazz> most recent arch for arm is from feb too
[19:47] <djazz> but there's a more recent if you look in the release folder
[19:47] <djazz> http://downloads.raspberrypi.org/images/archlinuxarm/
[19:47] <djazz> from 14th of may
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[19:48] <pothibo> I rather build from scratch and store everything in /usr/local
[19:48] <pothibo> aur breaks all the time
[19:48] <pothibo> poor version updates
[19:48] <pothibo> (for everything that isn't mainstream pacman that is)
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[19:49] <Redostrike> thats the "real" way to do it :) we preffer the "lazy" way
[19:49] <djazz> i love the fast boot time with arch
[19:49] <djazz> less than 10 secs
[19:49] <djazz> raspbian is more than twice
[19:49] <Redostrike> alot more i notcied
[19:49] <Redostrike> noticed*
[19:50] <djazz> well, i always run overclocked
[19:50] <djazz> 71/102
[19:51] <djazz> is there any easier/more user-friendly way to pair bluetooth stuff?
[19:51] <djazz> from command line?
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[19:51] <djazz> than bluez-simple-agent, bluez-test-device
[19:52] <Redostrike> not that i know off
[19:52] <Redostrike> but i dont use BT that often
[19:52] <djazz> i use it with my NXT kits and BT keyboard
[19:52] <Sonny_jim> Has anyone here played around with Amiga emulation?
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[19:53] <djazz> is it possible to connect the pi to the phone (android) and SSH to the pi, over bluetooth?
[19:53] <Redostrike> think it might work
[19:53] <Redostrike> not sure how android sees BT devices
[19:53] <Redostrike> but it might work
[19:53] <pksato> djazz: if create a network onter bt, yes.
[19:54] <djazz> i saw someone got a bt dongle and hooked it up to the serial GPIO pins
[19:54] <pksato> over
[19:54] <JakeSays> djazz: that would be interesting
[19:54] <pksato> or, serial over bt.
[19:55] <pksato> minu-uart -> rs232tobt -> air -> bt on android with rs232 profile -> terminal emulator.
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[19:57] <gordonDrogon> anyone here using the HC-SR04 ping distance sensors?
[19:58] <gordonDrogon> I've seen a few people online using them - and I reckon they're putting 5 directly into their Pi's, but some don't seem to care...
[19:58] <gordonDrogon> *5v ...
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[19:59] <djazz> how can I see what X packages are installed in raspbian?
[19:59] <djazz> so i know what to install in arch
[20:00] <pksato> dpkg -s pack ?
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[20:04] <djazz> pksato: only for installed packages, no search or match by keywords
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[20:05] <Sonny_jim> Well, here's my Pi project:
[20:05] <Sonny_jim> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=45142
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[20:06] <Redostrike> djazz dpkg --get-selections
[20:06] <gordonDrogon> pagers still work? wow.
[20:07] <Sonny_jim> gordonDrogon: Used for a lot of things
[20:07] <gordonDrogon> Sonny_jim, so it seems... I'm quite surprised.
[20:07] <Sonny_jim> That's just the tip of the iceberg
[20:07] <gordonDrogon> thought txt messages would have made them all redundant.
[20:08] <Sonny_jim> It's a very solid infrastructure
[20:08] <djazz> Redostrike: thx
[20:08] <Sonny_jim> pagers work in a lot of places mobile phones don't
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[20:10] <Redostrike> time for tv-show
[20:11] <maxinux> hah ince Sonny_jim
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[20:13] <Sonny_jim> :-)
[20:13] <maxinux> hahahahahah
[20:13] <Sonny_jim> You get to read some funny stuff
[20:13] <maxinux> i wanna use a beaglebone as an sdr myself
[20:13] <Sonny_jim> But due to the telegraphy act it's techincally illegal to monitor in the UK as I am not the intended recipient
[20:14] <maxinux> heh, legal in the US if not in the cell phone band specifically
[20:14] <Sonny_jim> This is across all bands
[20:14] <maxinux> that sucks
[20:14] <Sonny_jim> Doesn't get enforced that much
[20:14] <Sonny_jim> It doesn't stop people listening to ATC, for example
[20:15] <gordonDrogon> thought it was only illegal to act on information recieved... ?
[20:15] <Sonny_jim> gordonDrogon: it's both, see the doc linked at the top of my post
[20:15] <Sonny_jim> http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/36/section/48
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[20:15] <maxinux> sounds like ATC is destined for everyone
[20:15] <Sonny_jim> So if you aren't the intended recipient, you aren't allow to listen
[20:16] <gordonDrogon> intersting, so go to jail, do not pass go, etc. :)
[20:16] <djazz> is there a way to use the pi as FM reciever?
[20:16] <Sonny_jim> And if you somehow hear it, you aren't allow to act on it. So reporters aren't supposed to monitor emergency bands
[20:16] <djazz> i know its possible to broadcast FM, but recieve?
[20:16] <Sonny_jim> djazz: Yes
[20:16] <Sonny_jim> £12 TV dongle + rtl_fm
[20:16] <djazz> using the gpio hack :P
[20:16] <pksato> djazz: yes, connect rpi to some fm radio module.
[20:16] <djazz> no
[20:16] <Sonny_jim> rtl_fm -f 100M | aplay -r 24k -f S16_LE -t raw -c 1
[20:16] <djazz> without extra hardware
[20:17] <Sonny_jim> No
[20:17] <djazz> only broadcast without extra hw?
[20:17] <Sonny_jim> You can broadast fm with a pi alone?
[20:17] <djazz> yes
[20:17] <djazz> it uses a gpio pin as antenna
[20:18] <Sonny_jim> that's pretty cool
[20:18] <pksato> to broadcast only need a controled oscillator.
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[20:18] <pksato> to recieve, need a more complex circuit, like a high speed ADC and down converter mixer.
[20:20] <beamwatcher> that's really cool!
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[20:21] <steve_rox> hmm usb caddy hdd's are most annoying
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[20:21] <gordonDrogon> steve_rox, woa - not used one of those for over 20 years now...
[20:22] <gordonDrogon> steve_rox, woa - why did my brain interpret that as a CD-ROM with a caddy - Doh!
[20:22] <steve_rox> hmm
[20:22] <steve_rox> haha :-)
[20:23] <steve_rox> well they are annoying cos the pc cant get a smart report from the hdd's
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[20:23] <steve_rox> it was acting odd so i took it out the caddy and plugged it into my motherboard and its screaming help help im dieing
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[20:24] <steve_rox> wonder what the average runtime for a hdd is
[20:25] <gordonDrogon> I have some that have been powered up an spinning for over 6 years now....
[20:25] <steve_rox> this one is a western digital 2009
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[20:25] <Bushmills> i had to replace one recently with onlas30000h
[20:25] <gordonDrogon> see if it has smart data...
[20:26] <Bushmills> only 30000h non-stop
[20:26] <steve_rox> ive read the smart data
[20:26] <Bushmills> a bit more than 3 years
[20:26] <steve_rox> reallocated sector count has a warning on it
[20:26] <gordonDrogon> 9 Power_On_Hours 0x0032 014 014 000 Old_age Always - 63244
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[20:27] <gordonDrogon> over 7 years now...
[20:27] <steve_rox> another bad thing about usb caddy hdd is they have no fans
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[20:28] <steve_rox> i ran out of room in the server pc im using it on so i had no choice but to use usb drives
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[20:29] <Bushmills> another one has 60000 hours non-stop. still going strong
[20:30] <mrkurtz> having trouble getting ngircd going, seems to compile and --testconfig ok, but won't load... don't have any errors or whatever to go off of. so any recommendations on known working, and slim ircd?
[20:30] <mrkurtz> i see lots of references to ircd-hybrid online, anyone have experience w/ it?
[20:31] <steve_rox> guess ive been long overdue to buy hdd's its just with that price fixing exploitiation due to natural disasters ive been delaying
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[20:39] <JakeSays> mrkurtz: hmm. i ran an ircd on my pi a few months ago.. cant remember which one it was though
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[20:54] <djazz> ok, I have just installed xorg, lxde and awesome on arch. its very slow compared to Raspbian
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[20:54] <_BigWings_> ...
[20:54] <djazz> hm?
[20:55] <_BigWings_> i just noticed that the voltage on the 3.3 volt pins is more like 1.3 volts
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[20:55] <_BigWings_> anyone know what that could be?
[20:55] <_BigWings_> the 5 volt pins read 4.57 volts
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[20:56] <user82> has anyone tested wayland/weston on the pi?
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[20:57] <_BigWings_> has anyone else tested the voltage on the 3.3 volt pins?
[20:57] <djazz> user82: i have
[20:57] <user82> djazz, still messy and slow i guess?
[20:57] <djazz> still?
[20:58] <djazz> since when?
[20:58] <user82> no idea. until it is released and further
[20:59] <djazz> you can move windows, thats smooth
[20:59] <mgottschlag> _BigWings_: let me check, but 4.57 sounds far too low
[20:59] <djazz> and zooming
[20:59] <djazz> but resizing isnt fast
[20:59] <_BigWings_> mgottschlag: well what about 1.18 volts on the 3.3 volt pins?
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[21:00] <_BigWings_> perhaps its because I am powering from my pc instead of a dedicated power supply?
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[21:01] <mgottschlag> no, 3.3V should really be 3.30V
[21:01] <mgottschlag> very precise
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[21:01] <_BigWings_> well then something is wrong :(
[21:02] <mgottschlag> 5V might be anywhere from 5.25 to 4.75V, everything else is not enough to power your pi
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[21:02] <harris> hey does raspberry pi organization do anything for birthdays
[21:03] <mgottschlag> (I just measured because I recently had a device which had a diode after the 3.3V voltage converter, so it really was rather 3V even though all pins said 3.3V - I didn't remember whether there was something like this for the pi
[21:03] <mgottschlag> )
[21:03] <harris> its my birthday tommarrow
[21:03] <_BigWings_> are you powering it from a usb?
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[21:03] <_BigWings_> or dedicated power supply
[21:03] <harris> do they
[21:04] <mgottschlag> USB hub, quite a strong one though
[21:04] <nid0> such as what?
[21:04] <_BigWings_> k
[21:05] <mgottschlag> _BigWings_: your PC probably only provides 500mA, that's not enough
[21:05] <_BigWings_> ahh k
[21:05] <nid0> 500mA is plenty if you dont have any usb devices plugged in
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[21:06] <maxinux> or ethernet cable
[21:06] <nid0> 500mA is fine with ethernet
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[21:07] <mrmoney2012> hi all == this command works well.. raspistill -tl 500 -t 999999 -vf -hf -w 960 -h 720 -o /tmp/mjpg/test.jpg -n -q 80 &
[21:07] <mrmoney2012> just the -t 999999
[21:08] <mrmoney2012> is that roughly 16 mins ? is there a way to get this to run permanently … i am streaming it
[21:08] <djazz> what does it do?
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[21:09] <mrmoney2012> takes a picture every half second
[21:09] <djazz> and overwrites?
[21:09] <mrmoney2012> yes
[21:10] <Redostrike> why not make a cron
[21:10] <Redostrike> every 30 sec
[21:10] <mrmoney2012> it is followed by this command… /home/pi/mjpg-streamer/mjpg-streamer/input_file.so -f /tmp/mjpg -r' -o '/home/pi/mjpg-streamer/mjpg-streamer/output_http.so -p 8080 -n' &
[21:10] <Redostrike> take 1 pic
[21:11] <mrmoney2012> half a second
[21:11] <mrmoney2012> can cron do that ?
[21:11] <pksato> why not use streaming version ?
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[21:11] <djazz> oh, nice i must try that
[21:12] <djazz> pksato: you can embed a mjpg stream on any page
[21:12] <mrmoney2012> this is mjpg-streamer… is xclnt… very low cpu usage… very low.
[21:12] <djazz> webpage
[21:12] <mrmoney2012> pksato: correct :-)
[21:12] <mrmoney2012> works a treat by the way
[21:13] <Redostrike> hmm cron cant do half a second
[21:13] <mrmoney2012> quality is good also… i have a PIR sensor hooked up to the pi and when it is triggered it takes a few snapshots also
[21:14] <mrmoney2012> just the -t 999999 … stops working after that…. maybe i should just make it some massive huge number
[21:15] <pksato> or, hack code and make it infinty loop.
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[21:15] <Redostrike> or time how long it go's and cron that
[21:16] <Redostrike> if its 15 minutes then cron raspistill -tl 500 -t 999999 -vf -hf -w 960 -h 720 -o /tmp/mjpg/test.jpg -n -q 80 & every 15 minutes
[21:16] <pksato> that the frame rate?
[21:17] <gordonDrogon> crons best resolution is once a minute.
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[21:17] <Redostrike> true but it can handle 30 sec maybe not on the pi
[21:17] <Redostrike> havent tried
[21:18] <gordonDrogon> I've never seen a cron that can handle under */1 ...
[21:18] <gordonDrogon> trivial to write a program to schedule that though.
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[21:20] <gordonDrogon> Got the ping sensor going with a nice little interrupt routine. it seems pretty accurate from what I can tell... quite impressed.
[21:20] <pksato> if is time lapse, need a parameter to set how long its run.
[21:21] <pksato> -t is more like a timer (for one shot), from discription.
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[21:23] <mrmoney2012> yes - i don't quite get it
[21:23] <mrmoney2012> … -tl 500 and -t 999999
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[21:25] <Redostrike> gordonDrogon it's some kind of hack cron the command 2 times * * * * * with a sleep 30 offset
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[21:29] <pksato> -t dont have limt, use large value.
[21:29] <pksato> or, int (32bits?)
[21:30] <mrmoney2012> ok, thanks… like what 999999999999999999 <-that ok?
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[21:30] <gordonDrogon> Redostrike, ah - yes, somewhat of a hack :)
[21:31] <pksato> or -t -1
[21:31] <mrmoney2012> aha
[21:32] <djazz> -1 works? lol
[21:32] <mrmoney2012> good idea !
[21:32] <mrmoney2012> will try
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[21:34] <ozzzy> http://www.togastro.com/ozzzy/images/pi_motor_driver.png <-- damn I love it when a plan comes together
[21:34] <pksato> int num_iterations = state.timelapse ? state.timeout / state.timelapse : 1;
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[21:34] <pksato> for (frame = 1;frame<=num_iterations; frame++)
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[21:38] <pothibo> damnit my plan is falling apart.
[21:38] <pothibo> Thanks shipping fee
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[21:44] <djazz> I just installed xfce4 on my arch pi, its much faster than lxde and Awesome
[21:44] <djazz> why? ;O
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[21:49] <taza> Because it uses the gpu better?
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[21:50] <taza> This is officially a Wild-Ass Guess
[21:50] <gordonDrogon> xfce doesn't use gpu.
[21:50] <gordonDrogon> (that I'm aware of!)
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[21:51] <l_r> hello
[21:51] <l_r> does t he camera module works well?
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[22:00] <user82> someone here who knows how systemd ticks? i can start a script manually and it runs me a screen. i start it per service and it does not http://pastebin.com/aQfZbAW8
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[22:00] <user82> (all other commands in the autostart.sh work well. not the screen)
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[22:43] <Martin`> damned 7805 voltage regulator gets really hot when I use it to power raspberry pi with 12v adapter :P
[22:44] <ozzzy> Martin`: put a heat sink on it
[22:44] <ozzzy> even at 400mA a 7800 will heat up a lot
[22:45] <Martin`> ok
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[22:47] <Martin`> I can use it to soldeer I guess :P
[22:47] <Xark> Martin`: Also, if you have a 9v power source, that will help too (any excess power > 5v turns into heat).
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[22:49] <Martin`> hmm and my pi gets a kernel panic after some minnutes
[22:50] <Martin`> with a small heatsink
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[22:50] <rikkib> Us DC-DC converter
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[22:52] <Martin`> rikkib: don't have that here :(
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[22:53] <Martin`> time to order
[22:53] <Martin`> :)
[22:53] <rikkib> Use a pass transistor (2n2955)
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[22:56] <rikkib> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/5-PCS-LLOT-LM2596-DC-DC-Converter-Power-Supply-Buck-Step-Down-Module-4-40V-to/526499533.html
[22:56] <rikkib> I use these
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[22:57] <Martin`> ok
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[22:57] <rikkib> Only warn to touch running a RPi +
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[22:58] <rikkib> Hmmm snow down country
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[22:59] <ParkerR> djazz, Hey. I tried changing the omxradio port but it just throws an error when I try something like 80 or 90. Is it expecting a 4 digit port?
[22:59] <Martin`> rikkib: warn?
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[23:00] <djazz> ParkerR: use sudo to use ports below 1024
[23:00] <rikkib> I live in upper half of north island NZ... It does not snow up here.
[23:00] <Martin`> rikkib: what about http://uk.farnell.com/xp-power/sr10s05/switching-regulator-5v-1a-o-p/dp/1861095?Ntt=sr10s05 ? someone else here said that I can use that
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[23:01] <ParkerR> djazz, O.o okay...
[23:02] <rikkib> Ewww yuck
[23:02] <rikkib> Expnsive
[23:02] <Redostrike> nita
[23:02] <Martin`> thats true, 8 euro :/
[23:02] <Redostrike> nite*
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[23:04] <ParkerR> djazz, Is that a nodejs thing or linux?
[23:05] <djazz> linux
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[23:10] <djazz> I'm getting that weird boot error again
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[23:10] <djazz> I did rpi-update, no boot
[23:11] <djazz> http://i.imgur.com/oD8LUYO.jpg
[23:11] <djazz> running Arch
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[23:11] <djazz> no overclock, gpu mem is 128 mb
[23:11] <djazz> something to do with vchiq?
[23:11] <ParkerR> D:
[23:11] <ParkerR> Try redownloading the boot files
[23:12] <ParkerR> https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-firmware/archive/master.zip
[23:12] <djazz> it.. did?
[23:12] <djazz> hexxeh's tool
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[23:12] <ParkerR> And extract everything but the module and vc folder to the boot partition
[23:12] <ParkerR> Couldve corrupted
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[23:13] <djazz> its not corrupted
[23:13] <djazz> sd card is fine
[23:13] <ShiftPlusOne> I have run into this before, but under different circumstances.
[23:13] <djazz> trying kernel_emergency
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[23:13] <ShiftPlusOne> djazz, you're not using the super secret unreleased tool by any chance?
[23:14] <djazz> hmm..?
[23:14] <ShiftPlusOne> I'll take that as a no.
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[23:14] <djazz> kernel_emergency gives me a prompt
[23:14] <ShiftPlusOne> I ran into the same problem when updating the firmware using rpi-update
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[23:15] <ShiftPlusOne> but when I did it, the firmware files weren't stored where they normally should be, so I thought it might have something to do with that.
[23:15] <ShiftPlusOne> djazz, have you tried rpi-update to fix it?
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[23:15] <djazz> ShiftPlusOne: i got told this in the archarm channel: " using that script is unnecessary and will kill your system "
[23:16] <djazz> xD
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[23:16] <ShiftPlusOne> djazz, and yet it has fixed my system countless time when it was broken by pacman.
[23:16] <djazz> rpi-update makes backup?
[23:16] <ShiftPlusOne> not that I am aware of, no.
[23:16] <djazz> k
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[23:17] <djazz> omxplayer is still broken in arch :'(
[23:17] <djazz> auto glitches
[23:17] <djazz> audio*
[23:17] <ParkerR> djazz, Ohh
[23:17] <ParkerR> On arch dont use rpi-update
[23:17] <ParkerR> It has repo packages
[23:18] <ShiftPlusOne> ParkerR, why not? it sounds like his firmware is broken and rpi-update is usually a sure way to fix that.
[23:18] <ParkerR> Well I had always heard not to use it on arch
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[23:18] <ParkerR> Not sure why but Im pretty sure I saw that as a precaution
[23:18] <ShiftPlusOne> psh
[23:19] <ShiftPlusOne> (I probably wouldn't either without taking a backup, if I cared about the data on my pi)
[23:19] <ShiftPlusOne> ...but if the system is unbootable
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[23:19] <ShiftPlusOne> especially if it's unbootable after a pacman -Syu
[23:20] <ParkerR> https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-update/issues/25
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[23:20] <ShiftPlusOne> thanks
[23:20] <djazz> old issue
[23:21] <ShiftPlusOne> so, a symlink is in order =D
[23:21] <djazz> hm
[23:21] <ShiftPlusOne> The issue is close though
[23:21] <ShiftPlusOne> Hexxeh, hey, you =)
[23:21] <ShiftPlusOne> >.>
[23:22] <ShiftPlusOne> Probably afk, but is that issue closed because it's fixed or because rpi-update is not designed to be used with Arch?
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[23:25] <ShiftPlusOne> I guess we'll never know
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[23:27] <sco`> i believe the rpi-update script in arch is handled by the raspberrypi-firmware pacman package
[23:28] <ShiftPlusOne> not much good if that's likely what broke it.
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[23:28] <djazz> ParkerR: didnt fix it
[23:28] <sco`> just gana read up... but whats the actual problem ?
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[23:29] <djazz> sco`: cant boot after rpi-update on arch: http://i.imgur.com/oD8LUYO.jpg
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[23:29] <djazz> i tried to get omxplayer working
[23:30] <djazz> it's audio glitched
[23:30] <ShiftPlusOne> djazz, oh, I am an idiot then. I misread that entirely. >.> Thanks for not correcting me and letting me go on a pro-rpi-update tirade. =D
[23:30] <djazz> hm?
[23:30] <ShiftPlusOne> Yeah, I ran into the same problem when running rpi-update on arch recently, I blamed something else for it.
[23:30] <sco`> ahh... well iv never run that script , as i said its handled by that package. omxplayer i just use an old binary build a few months back.
[23:30] <ShiftPlusOne> Didn't bother trying to fix it, just started from scratch.
[23:31] <djazz> ShiftPlusOne: yeah, i didnt habe anything important here anyways
[23:31] <djazz> i just tried different DE/WMs
[23:31] <djazz> xfce4 works very nice
[23:31] <djazz> compared to lxde and awesome
[23:31] <djazz> speed-wise
[23:32] <gordonDrogon> I'm surprised no-one tested it way back..
[23:32] <djazz> hm?
[23:32] <ShiftPlusOne> I did =(
[23:32] <djazz> before they chose lxde?
[23:32] <gordonDrogon> yes.
[23:32] <gordonDrogon> maybe lxde was faster way back..
[23:33] <djazz> xD
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[23:33] <djazz> im reflashing the card
[23:33] <gordonDrogon> I actually installed xfce before lxde way back when it Raspbian was in the process of being built - the xfce package had compiled before lxde :)
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[23:33] <djazz> hehe
[23:33] <gordonDrogon> but I was happy - as I've been using xfce for a year or 3 on my desktop now..
[23:33] <ShiftPlusOne> Ages ago, before the pi was out - https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/175702/Other-2011-08-24-01-23-22.png
[23:34] <ShiftPlusOne> (running in qemu)
[23:34] <ShiftPlusOne> actually, it may have been out then, not sure.
[23:34] <djazz> my first experience with xfce was Linpus Linux Lite
[23:34] <djazz> you had to edit a config file to enable normal xfce desktop
[23:34] <djazz> :)
[23:35] <djazz> sco`: how do i use an old omxplayer?
[23:36] <djazz> right now i install from aur with yaourt
[23:36] <sco`> djazz: i build from PKGBUILD a while back ... now i use it on all my pi's .. omxplayer-git 20130307-1
[23:37] <djazz> can you add a timestamp? ;o
[23:37] <djazz> nvm
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[23:37] <djazz> how do i build from PKGBUILD?
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[23:39] <sco`> this was the PKGBUILD i used http://sprunge.us/MiPR
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[23:40] <sco`> i believe i found it on the AUR
[23:40] <sco`> im sure there is an updated version by now
[23:40] <sco`> https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/omxplayer-git/
[23:40] <sco`> there ya go :)
[23:40] <djazz> it doesnt work
[23:40] <djazz> audio glitches
[23:40] <sco`> oh.
[23:40] <djazz> see the comments
[23:40] <djazz> ;)
[23:41] <djazz> thats why i tried rpi-update in the first place
[23:41] <sco`> you dont have a binary you are happy with from a few weeks/months back ?
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[23:42] <djazz> well, i have raspbian
[23:42] <djazz> there it works
[23:43] <sco`> hmm, well from the sounds of the latest comment building from an earlier revision works,....
[23:43] <sco`> or do you need the latest functionality ..
[23:43] <sco`> which is ?
[23:43] <djazz> i want the --vol and --win switches
[23:44] <ParkerR> Who was it in here yesterday running weston?
[23:45] <ShiftPlusOne> djazz, I think I found the rpi-update problem. You need to use the 'next' branch instead. rpi-update 0e358b3082a611975a7d467f457e8769b8d88663 should fix it. The newer kernel used by arch doesn't play well with the start.elf in the master branch.
[23:45] <ShiftPlusOne> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=19334&start=100#p216838
[23:45] <djazz> ParkerR: me
[23:46] <djazz> ShiftPlusOne: too late, reflashed and installing xfce4 atm :D
[23:46] <ShiftPlusOne> Well, at least now we know <.<
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[23:47] <djazz> i can try rpi-update again with this "next" branch
[23:48] <djazz> will "sudo BRANCH=next rpi-update" work?
[23:48] <ShiftPlusOne> nuh, might just have to reflash again afterwards >.>
[23:49] <ShiftPlusOne> not sure if that's how it works
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[23:49] <ShiftPlusOne> The absolute latest firmware from the next branch often doesn't work, so I usually specify a commit instead.
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[23:50] <djazz> ShiftPlusOne: https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-update#branch
[23:50] <ShiftPlusOne> nice
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[23:52] <djazz> ShiftPlusOne: arch is even mentioned within rpi-update
[23:52] <djazz> " In Arch, try: pacman -S git
[23:52] <djazz> "
[23:52] <djazz> i didnt have git
[23:52] <djazz> here goes
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[23:54] <djazz> " *** Backing up files
[23:54] <djazz> hm
[23:56] <ParkerR> djazz, How were you running it?
[23:56] <djazz> aah reboot
[23:56] <djazz> *** Backing up files
[23:56] <djazz> oops wrong paste
[23:56] <djazz> like this: # BRANCH=next rpi-update
[23:56] <djazz> aww same error
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[23:56] <ParkerR> djazz, No I mean weston
[23:57] <djazz> follow instructions here: http://wayland.freedesktop.org/raspberrypi.html
[23:57] <djazz> have you isntalled weston?
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[23:58] <ParkerR> djazz, I installed the repo version
[23:58] <SpeedEvil> Is anyone aware of how open the camera driver is?
[23:58] <djazz> from here: http://fooishbar.org/tell-me-about/wayland-on-raspberry-pi/ ?
[23:58] <SpeedEvil> Is it plausible to connect other camera chips with the same bus?
[23:58] <ParkerR> Yes
[23:58] <ParkerR> djazz, * Yes
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[23:58] <djazz> then make a shell script with the export commands and add weston at the end
[23:59] <ParkerR> Ahh ok
[23:59] <djazz> dont forget to change config.txt
[23:59] <djazz> then just $ weston

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