#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2013-05-29

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[0:07] <TheArtist_> I need help booting raspbian from qemu
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[0:07] <TheArtist_> i get : "Init ID "1" respawning too fast
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[0:08] <TheArtist_> Any ideas???
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[0:37] <YellowGTO> How goes it?
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[0:39] <YellowGTO> Anyone using a Pi for XBMC?
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[0:40] <djazz> yeah
[0:40] <djazz> not right now though
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[0:41] <YellowGTO> Debating if I want to do a Pi HTPC or a dual core AMD
[0:42] <djazz> YellowGTO: i have tried OpenELEC, it works great
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[0:43] <YellowGTO> Well there is 1 left in stock
[0:43] <YellowGTO> I guess ill take a ride
[0:44] <YellowGTO> Its nice the Microcenter stared carrying them
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[0:51] <SpeedEvil> On the subject of clocks - which people have raised.
[0:51] <SpeedEvil> http://ruletheweb.co.uk/dandelion-clock.svg
[0:51] <SpeedEvil> I diddn't know you could do that.
[0:51] <eggy> \o
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[1:22] <Guiri> Hi. I'm having some trouble getting my new rpi to work over HDMI. I currently have it up over regular RCA
[1:23] <djazz> Guiri: tried different hdmi options? http://elinux.org/RPiconfig#Video
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[1:27] <Guiri> ooh thanks. So it's under /boot/config.txt? I'll try these out
[1:28] <djazz> :)
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[1:35] <Blacklite> oh awesome
[1:35] <Blacklite> just got 4 model b's
[1:35] <Blacklite> http://ft2.dtupload.com/KTrju/INFINITE_PI.jpg
[1:36] <Blacklite> my question is
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[1:36] <djazz> LOL
[1:36] <Blacklite> on the little document that comes with them, it says to use 700 - 1200 mA for model B
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[1:37] <hydroxygen> correct ..but all those power connections are in use.. lol
[1:37] <Blacklite> :)
[1:37] <Blacklite> i have a 5v 2a wall to USB from my nexus 7, could I use that without any problems?
[1:37] <djazz> i was able to power 3 pi's from a 2A usb hub
[1:37] <JakeSays> yup
[1:37] <djazz> 2A total
[1:37] <hydroxygen> absolutely
[1:37] <Cultist> I power mine with a usb hub
[1:38] <Cultist> a four port hub should provide enough power for all four
[1:38] <hydroxygen> prolly not get all 4 running with it..maybe 2 or 3
[1:38] <Blacklite> cool, i thought it'd be okay, i just thought i'd ask since it explicitly mentions 1200 mA as the top end
[1:38] <Blacklite> although my understanding of electronics leads me to believe that 2a would be fine, so thanks :)
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[1:40] <SpeedEvil> The nexus 7 PSU is good
[1:40] <SpeedEvil> However - it's not ideal for the nexus 7.
[1:40] <Blacklite> haha yeah ikr
[1:40] <Ezro> Hey everyone
[1:40] <SpeedEvil> The nexus 7 actually charges a lot faster if it's presented with a 5.50V supply
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[1:40] <Blacklite> although i only have one of them, so i've been thinking of using one of the apple 12w adapters
[1:40] <Blacklite> which i think are 5v 2.4a ?
[1:41] <SpeedEvil> The 5.1V (well, mine was) supply actually means that the charging slows down notably
[1:41] <Blacklite> http://store.apple.com/us/product/MD836LL/A/apple-12w-usb-power-adapter
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[1:41] <Blacklite> i want to make sure i buy a good brand
[1:42] <Blacklite> well, i want a reliable adapter, really
[1:42] <Blacklite> they're going to be doing slideshows in the lobby of a library
[1:42] <Ezro> If I'm trying to have an always-listening Pi that basically just searches and returns results, do you guys think SiriProxy would be best for that?
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[1:48] <SpeedEvil> Ezro: you do have an iphone?
[1:48] <Ezro> I do not.
[1:48] <SpeedEvil> You need one for siriproxy
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[1:48] <SpeedEvil> you need to rip out the certificate
[1:48] <Ezro> Ah, well, that solves that pretty quickly.
[1:48] <SpeedEvil> IIRC
[1:49] <Ezro> What about Sphinx?
[1:49] <Ezro> I was looking into that a bit, but from what I read... it's a bit.. of a mess.
[1:49] <SpeedEvil> Unsure.
[1:49] <SpeedEvil> What are you aiming at?
[1:49] <Ezro> Summed up:
[1:49] <Ezro> I would like to just be sitting on my couch and say "Computer: How tall is Nate Robinson?"
[1:50] <Ezro> And then it responds with "5 foot 9".
[1:50] <Ezro> And also have it possibly display search results on my tv, or something.
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[1:50] <Ezro> (Also, the preferred response would be "Nate Robinson is 5 foot 9 inches.")
[1:51] <SpeedEvil> Well, google did announce some sort of 'always on' speech recongition for the desktop
[1:51] <SpeedEvil> I'm unsure how it works though
[1:52] <Ezro> Uh... is that the... uh... Google Now?
[1:53] <SpeedEvil> http://blogs.webtrends.com/2013/05/three-search-highlights-from-googles-io-keynote-2013/
[1:53] <Bushmills> great evesdropping device
[1:53] <SpeedEvil> quite
[1:54] <Bushmills> there's a parody on video, about a fictive "google home" which is an extension of google streetmap
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[1:54] <Bushmills> google cameramen intrude into homes, to capture the inside views
[1:54] <Bushmills> who resists will be denied access to google
[1:55] <Bushmills> google must have seen that video, and thought "we need something better than that"
[1:55] * SpeedEvil finds it annoying there is no way to purchase decent linux voice recognition
[1:55] <Ezro> lol
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[1:58] <Bushmills> you need software to wreck a nice beach?
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[2:01] <SpeedEvil> It's like OCR
[2:02] <SpeedEvil> I haven't found anything on linux that will get similar results to the software that came free with my scanner in about 1999.
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[2:30] <NullMoogleCable> whats the default rasperian password for root?
[2:30] <Blacklite> http://www.raspberrypi.org/faqs
[2:30] <Blacklite> oh sorry
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[2:30] <Blacklite> http://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads
[2:30] <Blacklite> Default login Username: pi Password: raspberry
[2:31] <pksato> root dont have a password.
[2:31] <maxinux> never log in as root
[2:31] <chithead> http://elinux.org/RPi_Distributions lists default logins for most rpi distros
[2:31] <pksato> use pi user, and set password to root, sudo password
[2:32] <CEnnis91> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTM3OTc
[2:32] <CEnnis91> im guessing that's available as of today no?
[2:32] <CEnnis91> or wasn't it always?
[2:32] <Blacklite> oh damn it!
[2:33] <chithead> CEnnis91: see the comments in the forum
[2:33] <NullMoogleCable> well im trying to ssh in and it is defaulting to root without letting me enter the user
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[2:33] <chithead> ssh uses local user as default
[2:33] <chithead> ssh user@host if you don't want that
[2:33] <NullMoogleCable> Using username "root".
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[2:35] <CEnnis91> chithead: ah, referring to the improper testing?
[2:35] <chithead> no. referring to the "always"
[2:35] <CEnnis91> oh
[2:35] <CEnnis91> okay i thought so
[2:36] <CEnnis91> i thought maybe the entire package set was updated and i was under the impression i was always using a full wheezy
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[2:47] <NullMoogleCable> whats the best remote desktop availible for the pi?
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[2:58] <Tenkawa> greetings all
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[3:02] <Tenkawa> well so far so good on 3.9 kernel and f2fs
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[3:09] <NullMoogleCable> hmm
[3:09] <NullMoogleCable> trying to do a apt-get upgrade
[3:09] <NullMoogleCable> getting
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[3:10] <NullMoogleCable> dpkg: unrecoverable fatal error
[3:10] <NullMoogleCable> files list file for package 'less' contains empty file name
[3:11] <ShorTie> sudo apt-get upgrade maybe
[3:12] <Blacklite> update* ?
[3:12] <Firehopper> do a update first
[3:12] <Firehopper> then do the upgrade
[3:14] <NullMoogleCable> X_X
[3:14] <NullMoogleCable> problem processing dependency conflicts
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[3:25] <Blacklite> hey, might not be the right place, but i figure some of you have had this problem before
[3:25] <Blacklite> i'm using a 4GB class 6 SDHC card
[3:25] <Blacklite> using DD to put the image onto the card
[3:25] <Blacklite> 104857600 bytes transferred in 264.520963 secs (396406 bytes/sec)
[3:25] <Blacklite> that's about 100MB in 264 seconds
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[3:25] <Blacklite> which means it'll take roughly 90 minutes to put the 2GB disk image onto the card
[3:26] <ozzzy> try another card
[3:26] <atouk> image dowsn't fill teh card. after first boot you have to expand teh filesystem
[3:26] <Blacklite> that's fine, atouk
[3:26] <Blacklite> ok well i have 4 of them here, so i'll try another card
[3:26] <NullMoogleCable> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=31914
[3:27] <NullMoogleCable> is the forum trashed?
[3:27] <Blacklite> appears so
[3:28] <Blacklite> btw trying another card - still seems to be ridiculously slow!
[3:28] <[Saint]> What block size are you using?
[3:28] <atouk> on a usb 1.1 port?
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[3:29] <[Saint]> block size has a huge impact on the speed of the write.
[3:29] <Blacklite> 25165824 bytes transferred in 42.061258 secs (598314 bytes/sec)
[3:29] <Blacklite> sudo dd bs=1m if=2013-02-09-wheezy-raspbian.img of=/dev/disk2
[3:29] <Blacklite> i'm using that on Mac OS X 10.8.3
[3:29] <[Saint]> try 4m
[3:30] <Blacklite> ok
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[3:30] <[Saint]> I admit I have a vastly faster sdcard, but I use a 4MB block size, and it takes about 40s to write the image.
[3:31] <Blacklite> 16777216 bytes transferred in 34.776207 secs (482434 bytes/sec)
[3:31] <Blacklite> still :|
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[3:32] <ParkerR> I don't even worry about block size. I just let it take its time
[3:32] <Blacklite> yeah but 90 mins for a 2GB image? :/
[3:32] <[Saint]> Perhaps the card reader just isn't particularly great. Dunno. Class 6 isn't exactly the fastest speed out there.
[3:32] <Blacklite> i have to do this 4 maybe 5 times
[3:32] <Blacklite> yeah but at 6MB/s in ideal conditions it'd be done in 533.333 seconds
[3:32] <ozzzy> I have a 30MB/s card that gets maybe 17-18
[3:33] <ozzzy> and it takes a long time... but it's a 16G card
[3:33] <[Saint]> Yes, my card(s) write at about ~90MB/s
[3:33] <Blacklite> could be this card reader
[3:33] <Blacklite> i'll try anothr
[3:33] <Blacklite> lucky i'm in a design studio - lots of imacs + card readers!
[3:34] * [Saint] doesn't consider being surrounded by Macs lucky ;)
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[3:34] <ParkerR> Haha
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[3:35] <ozzzy> imacs provide a good source of building heat
[3:35] <[Saint]> I /did/ pretty much just wake up, so my back-of-the-envelope-math could be off, but - you're actually getting a fair percentage of the write speed of an average Class 6 card there.
[3:35] <[Saint]> ...I _think_.
[3:36] <[Saint]> Some cards seem to be capable of speeds beyond their Class rating, others I have noticed /just/ scrape by.
[3:37] <[Saint]> Their manufacture isn't free of flaws.
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[3:38] <n_b> \o #rpi; I'm currently investigating low-power boards for usage with OpenCV and was curious what the current state-of-the-art on the Pi is; my understanding is that USB is pretty slow, but that the new camera module might be suitable for simple feature detection - anyone experimented much?
[3:39] <ParkerR> The new camera module is cabbale of much more
[3:39] <ParkerR> It doesnt run on the USB bus
[3:39] <ParkerR> *capable
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[3:42] <Blacklite> ahh opencv <3
[3:44] <n_b> I have the feeling I'd be better off going with a beagleboard or something that has a bit more oomph than the Pi
[3:44] <n_b> or offloading the processing over the network somehow
[3:44] <Firehopper> or get the udoo :)
[3:44] <Firehopper> its up to 4 rpis + a arduino mega :)
[3:45] <JakeSays> that 64 core arm thing would work well for opencv
[3:45] <Firehopper> all on one board :)
[3:45] <JakeSays> all on one chip
[3:45] <Firehopper> or the 64 core paralella
[3:45] <Firehopper> and actually its more like 66 cores :)
[3:45] <n_b> Basically what I want to do is recognise open doors, and possibly, possibly, face recognition
[3:46] <n_b> the former is much easier than the latter, especially working from a fixed position
[3:46] <JakeSays> i used to do that with a 500mhz pIII
[3:46] <JakeSays> in C# no less
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[3:53] <dyu> is it possible to change the USB ports? both of mine are dead now.
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[3:55] <hydroxygen> ouch
[3:56] <karlh626> I am looking for a "lean/small" terminal app for rasbian. ...any suggestions?
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[3:59] <ring0> terminator karlh626
[4:00] <ParkerR> ring0, Neither lean nor small
[4:01] <ParkerR> Use python and depends on a bunch
[4:01] <Firehopper> dyu, sounds like you need a new eth/usb chip.. not something easily replaced.
[4:01] <ParkerR> karlh626, xterm, lxterminal,
[4:01] <hydroxygen> dyu Raspberry PI's produced after August 25, 2012 have the USB polyfuses F1 & F2 removed (replaced with shorts).
[4:01] <ring0> ParkerR, well, then recommend something else :)
[4:01] <hydroxygen> notthat it might help
[4:01] <dyu> uhm
[4:01] <ParkerR> ring0, Already on it :)
[4:02] <dyu> i ordered these barely within the first hour
[4:02] <dyu> i'll check the date
[4:02] <hydroxygen> Note: F1 and F2 are black 0 ohm resistors instead of green polyfuses
[4:02] <ring0> ParkerR, i guess smaller than xterm is almost not possible
[4:02] <ParkerR> ring0, Hehe
[4:02] <hydroxygen> they are right next to the usb port
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[4:02] <dyu> hydroxygen: my unit is from the original run
[4:03] <ParkerR> karlh626, Also urxvt
[4:03] <dyu> i think they don't have those yet
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[4:03] <Firehopper> if you cat the etc/cpu I think it is
[4:03] <Firehopper> it should tell you what ver you have
[4:03] <karlh626> ok, thanks for the ideas, just trying to squeeze every bit of performance out of the pi.
[4:03] <Firehopper> or is it etc/proc
[4:03] <Firehopper> I dont remember
[4:04] <hydroxygen> i understand they will reset themselves/reform after time
[4:04] <Firehopper> it can take up to 24 hours for a polyfuse to reset
[4:04] <hydroxygen> like a week
[4:04] <hydroxygen> 0o
[4:04] <Firehopper> I think its 24 hours..
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[4:04] <hydroxygen> even better
[4:04] * hydroxygen hasnt lost a port ..yet
[4:04] <dyu> it's been like this for a couple of days
[4:05] <Firehopper> I just read about it.. but I cant remember the correct info :)
[4:05] <hydroxygen> are they green or black ?
[4:05] <Firehopper> what is wrong with it dyu?
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[4:05] <Firehopper> no power? or the ports dont work?
[4:05] <Firehopper> have you checked via a mouse or something that the power is there?
[4:06] <dyu> the ports don't work. had my friend try it out with his working setup
[4:06] <dyu> we just swapped my pi with his pi, but used everything else in his setup
[4:06] <Firehopper> have you checked power lines on the ports with a voltmeter?
[4:07] <Firehopper> if theres no power then there might be fuse issues. if the power is good.. then you toasted the ethernet/usb chip..
[4:07] <Firehopper> and replacing that wont be simple
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[4:07] <nerdboy> ahoy
[4:08] <dyu> either way, it means i have to buy a new one. correct?
[4:08] <hydroxygen> Each of the two USB ports on the Pi has a polyfuse rated at 140 mA ..or a short
[4:08] <hydroxygen> just short them out.. like the new versions
[4:08] <Firehopper> it would prolly be cheaper to get a new one. I dont think sending it back for repair would be cheap
[4:09] <hydroxygen> The microUSB input port also has a 1.1 A polyfuse
[4:09] <dyu> yeah, i've considered buying a new one. i was going to buy an extra one anyway
[4:09] <Firehopper> but if its a poly fuse issue, it could be fixed..
[4:09] <Firehopper> and fairly cheaply
[4:09] <dyu> Firehopper: could you point me to reading material for that?
[4:09] <Firehopper> do you have a dvm?
[4:09] <dyu> i don't know aything about electronics
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[4:10] <dyu> nope, but i can borrow one
[4:10] <Firehopper> first you need to test to see if the usb ports are outputing 5volts
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[4:10] <Firehopper> someone got a good link for dyu on how to check the ports for the proper voltage?
[4:11] <dyu> yeah. coz i have to do it later in the day coz i'm in the office right now
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[4:22] <Blacklite> so considering i have an sd card that writes at 400 KB/s
[4:22] <Blacklite> is that even fast enough to use?
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[4:25] <ring0> mine does ~20mb/s, i guess 400kb/s is horrible
[4:25] <atouk> put rootfs on a thumbdrive or usb hd and just use the sd to boot
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[4:28] <Blacklite> yeah maybe
[4:29] <Blacklite> although it's not like they have to run particularly fast
[4:30] <Blacklite> and i'm sure the read speed will be up to scratch
[4:30] <Blacklite> http://ascent.co.nz/productspecification.aspx?ItemID=397608
[4:31] <Blacklite> • Speed class: Class6 (6MB/s minimum performance)
[4:31] <Blacklite> :|
[4:31] <Blacklite> should probably be able to return it
[4:31] <Blacklite> well i bought 4 of them
[4:31] <Blacklite> taking 90 mins to get the disk image onto the card
[4:31] <Blacklite> 2GB
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[4:32] <Blacklite> 1363148800 bytes transferred in 3695.435900 secs (368874 bytes/sec)
[4:32] <Blacklite> 1.3GB so far, almost there :)
[4:32] <atouk> might be just something stupid on the burn end and run ok
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[4:33] <Blacklite> tried with 2 of the same cards, on 2 different card readers
[4:33] <Blacklite> quite strange imo
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[5:33] <RonOverdrive> sup, anyone awake?
[5:33] <Blacklite> yes
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[5:35] <darkPassenger> hi all raspberrer
[5:36] <RonOverdrive> cool, maybe someone can help me... is there something in the updates is Raspbian that is breaking installs? I installed Raspbian, got it all configured, everything working fine then I do the apt-get update & upgrade. When I reboot I get a kernel panic saying it can't mount the root folder due to an I/O error
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[5:40] <RonOverdrive> its like the filesystem is getting corrupted, but I'm not doing any overclocking
[5:40] <RonOverdrive> and it only happens if I update
[5:41] <darkPassenger> lol, i cant do any apt, it gives me a segmentation fault
[5:42] <nerdboy> RonOverdrive: i did aptitude safe-upgrade instead
[5:42] <atouk> look at voltage issues. sd writes and heavy data transfers at the same time might be dropping voltage to a level that causes write errors
[5:43] <nerdboy> no problems that i can recall...
[5:43] <nerdboy> been running openembedded images lately
[5:44] <nerdboy> haven't beooted the raspbian card in weeks...
[5:44] <RonOverdrive> I got a micro-usb power supply and a powered usb hub, could that be causing issues?
[5:44] <nerdboy> depends on what you have plugged in
[5:45] <RonOverdrive> just a keyboard, mouse, and wifi dongle
[5:45] <atouk> wifi eats a lot of current
[5:45] <nerdboy> everything in the hub?
[5:45] <RonOverdrive> yeah
[5:46] <nerdboy> then 1 amp should be fine
[5:46] <nerdboy> what's the rating on the pi's power supply?
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[5:47] <RonOverdrive> 5v 1A
[5:47] <atouk> not all ratings are created equal
[5:48] <nerdboy> hard to tell when that's all they print on it...
[5:48] <atouk> some of the cheap supplies will drop voltage as dcurrent demand goes up
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[5:49] <atouk> somebody on here did a test of a bunch, and some went as low as 4.2 volts at 600 ma
[5:49] <RonOverdrive> this is one that came in a package
[5:49] <atouk> rpi-update
[5:49] <nerdboy> that sounds rather out of spec
[5:49] <atouk> oops wront window
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[5:50] <nerdboy> a couple of tenths i can see, but that's a bit too much
[5:50] <atouk> kung pow industries in rice paddy #3 usually doesn't have the best quality control
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[5:52] <nerdboy> but at least the kung pow chicken should be good...
[5:52] <atouk> are you sure it's chicken?
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[5:53] <nerdboy> i'm not even sure it's tuesday...
[5:53] * [Saint] tries to find the link to the news story that found "unidentifiable" meat in UK fast food outlets...
[5:53] <[Saint]> You know its good if DNA sequencing can't tell you what it is!
[5:53] <[Saint]> ;)
[5:54] <atouk> lies. it was identified as horse and donkey. typical sensationalist british press...
[5:54] <[Saint]> It must be rare, and, therefor - tasty.
[5:54] <[Saint]> No, no, different story altogether.
[5:54] <atouk> you mean there's NEW ones?
[5:54] <[Saint]> This was actually older.
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[5:55] <atouk> and people wonder why there are no 5 star restaurants serving british food
[5:55] <nerdboy> RonOverdrive: try the aptitude safe-upgrade and see if you still get the error
[5:55] <[Saint]> http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/dog-cat-curry-fears-over-1789118
[5:56] <RonOverdrive> nerdboy: is aptitude installed on raspbian? I thought only apt-get was
[5:56] <[Saint]> It was some study that sequenced the meat in "lamb" curries from a few outlets.
[5:57] <[Saint]> IIRC, at least one came back containing no meat at all.
[5:58] <RonOverdrive> I got another powersupply I can try, but its only 700mah (its from my Nexus S)
[5:58] <atouk> next thing you'll tell me is that soylent green hasn't got any real people in it
[5:59] <RonOverdrive> atouk: its GMO humans, nasty stuff with potential health risks
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[6:00] <atouk> damn monsanto has their fingers into everything
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[6:01] <RonOverdrive> hey they got the patent on water didn't they?
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[6:02] <atouk> apple is claiming they had it first
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[6:06] <RonOverdrive> dunno, there's plenty of prior art out there so I don't think either claim will last.
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[6:13] <nerdboy> RonOverdrive: if not, just install it with apt-get
[6:14] <nerdboy> at least that shoudl leave the kernel and boot loader alone...
[6:15] <RonOverdrive> I'm gonna try a different power supply first, trying the one that came with my Nexus S to see if it helps. Its only 700mah, but thats all the rpi needs for itself, the hub has its own power supply
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[6:16] <RonOverdrive> seems to be running a little smoother with the samsung power supply atm, but that may just be wishful thinking :P
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[7:53] <ParkerR> :D http://i.minus.com/iI7uHxyr5Zpe6.JPG
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[7:57] <[Saint]> did you need to shave the board down at all?
[7:57] <[Saint]> I assume it has an uSD/SD adapter flush with the board as well?
[7:58] <ParkerR> [Saint], Slight shaved on the USB side
[7:58] <ParkerR> *Slightly
[7:58] <ParkerR> Just the corner with leds
[7:58] * [Saint] nods
[7:58] <[Saint]> As fir the sdcard? or, is it sticking out the back?
[7:58] <ParkerR> And SD card is sticking out
[7:58] <[Saint]> *for]
[7:58] <[Saint]> bah...
[7:59] <ParkerR> [Saint], http://imgur.com/a/oL7Ay
[7:59] <ParkerR> Thats the album froma while back
[8:00] <[Saint]> Oh, I see. That initial image did a nice job hiding how much of the case has been cut away.
[8:00] <[Saint]> That's why I was so surprised.
[8:00] <ParkerR> Haha
[8:01] <ParkerR> That top silver thing is just a piece of foam to hold it in place
[8:02] <YellowGTO> I think im going to put mine in a NES
[8:04] <ParkerR> [Saint], all in all a pretty nice fit (albeit having to cut some corners ;) )
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[8:29] <JakeSays> so once a pi has booted from a hdd, can the sd be removed?
[8:30] <ShiftPlusOne> There's an easy way to find out. =D
[8:31] <JakeSays> ShiftPlusOne: that would require me going up stairs to my office :p
[8:32] <geordie> JakeSays: no.
[8:32] <ShiftPlusOne> Hm, you're in a bit of a pickle then.
[8:32] <ShiftPlusOne> geordie, why not?
[8:32] <ShiftPlusOne> presumably the firmware and kernel are all in ram, so what's the sd card for?
[8:33] <geordie> don't know.
[8:33] <steve_rox> better hope it dont crash/reboot eh
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[8:34] <JakeSays> so that altoid case is pretty silly
[8:34] * JakeSays is gonna make one
[8:35] <steve_rox> houseing the pi in a metal tin? sounds shorty
[8:36] <JakeSays> well, you put tapey in the tinny
[8:36] <ShiftPlusOne> Now if only somebody invented insulation D=
[8:36] <steve_rox> that withstands heat
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[8:37] <ShiftPlusOne> >.>
[8:37] <JakeSays> steve_rox: we're not talking nuclear temperatures here
[8:37] <ParkerR> JakeSays, :D
[8:37] <steve_rox> we shall see
[8:38] <ShiftPlusOne> Though a pi controlled nuclear reactor would be nice.
[8:38] <ShiftPlusOne> I wouldn't want to live anywhere near it, but still.
[8:38] <steve_rox> control over lan/net
[8:39] <geordie> i've got a working DEC VT05 from 1970 that i plan to install my pi inside... http://images.google.com/images?q=vt05
[8:40] <geordie> use it as a serial console
[8:40] <ParkerR> For those wondering about the insulation http://i.minus.com/ibfRCXNVGhInJq.JPG
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[8:48] <JakeSays> ParkerR: i'd have to use cinnamon altoids
[8:48] <Jck_true> ShiftPlusOne: Come on - Live a little dangerous! (Allthrough I must admit - I hope it's not a USB driven power plant.. the drivers are still a bit too unstable for that ;) )
[8:48] <ShiftPlusOne> heh
[8:50] <Jck_true> What happend to the house sized nuclear reactors we have been promised anyway?
[8:50] <JakeSays> i really want to use my spare linksys router as a pi'ish controller
[8:51] <Jck_true> JakeSays: Pi-ish controller?
[8:51] <ShiftPlusOne> I was never promised that. O_o Was that a kickstarter or something?
[8:51] <JakeSays> Jck_true: well, yeah pi'ish as in a general purpose arm computer
[8:51] <Jck_true> ShiftPlusOne: oh the 50's bright look on nuclear power... Nuclear cars -
[8:52] <yehnan> Hi, i'm using Raspbian and LXDE. After pressing the logout icon on the bottom-right cornor, it only shows "Logout" and "Cancel". There is not "shutdown" or "reboot". What should I do?
[8:52] <Jck_true> JakeSays: Uhm - install OpenWRT? or OpenTomato?
[8:52] <JakeSays> Jck_true: none of the alternate firmware projects support the marvel soc this router uses
[8:53] <ShiftPlusOne> Jck_true, yeah, I got that.
[8:53] <JakeSays> so i'll have to build my own kernel
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[8:53] <Jck_true> JakeSays: Bootloader unlocked? My Siemens router isn't supported at all :(
[8:54] <JakeSays> Jck_true: near as i can tell it is. the issue apparently is the wireless driver is close source.
[8:54] <JakeSays> but i can just copy that from the original rom
[8:54] <Jck_true> Uhmm say what?
[8:55] <JakeSays> wut?
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[8:59] <maumushi> yehnan: open a terminal shell and type 'sudo halt'
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[9:01] <yehnan> maumushi: that's not what I want.
[9:01] <JakeSays> yehnan: use a different desktop then
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[9:03] <yehnan> JakeSays: that's not what I want either. :P
[9:04] <JakeSays> yehnan: well, its all open source - use your imagination.
[9:04] <yehnan> JakeSays: hmm...thanks.
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[9:06] <maumushi> create a script and link to a desktop icon ...
[9:06] <Jck_true> yehnan: Did you try google? :) "lxde shutdown button" gives plenty of results - Including this one - http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=75080
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[9:08] <ParkerR> yebyen, Try sudo apt-get install lxpolkit
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[9:09] <ParkerR> And sudo apt-get install consolekit
[9:09] <ParkerR> Then reboot
[9:09] <ParkerR> And then you should have power options in the logout menu
[9:11] <Triffid_Hunter> yehnan: the DE needs to be started from a graphical login manager to display shutdown/reboot options
[9:11] <Triffid_Hunter> yehnan: if you startx as user, it simply doesn't have the required permissions and so doesn't give the option
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[9:16] <yehnan> Jck_true: I did google.
[9:17] <yehnan> Triffid_Hunter: wow, if use "sudo startx" to start x window system, it did show "reboot" and "shutdown". thanks a lot.
[9:18] <ParkerR> Dont
[9:18] <ParkerR> Running X as root is not recommended
[9:19] <ParkerR> Triffid_Hunter never suggested to run it as root
[9:19] <Triffid_Hunter> yehnan: yeah please don't run X as root. if you want those features, get a graphical login manager and set it for auto-login. I use slim on my laptop fwiw
[9:19] <ParkerR> Triffid_Hunter, He doesnt even have to do that. Just needs one line in .xinitrc Digging it up now
[9:20] <Triffid_Hunter> oh even better
[9:22] <yehnan> Triffid_Hunter: well, what should I do? install slim?
[9:22] <ParkerR> yehnan: echo "exec ck-launch-session dbus-launch lxsession" > ~/.xinitrc
[9:22] <ParkerR> Then just run startx as normal user
[9:23] <ParkerR> It _should_ have the extra options in the logout menu
[9:24] <[Saint]> I think the user also needs to be part of the 'power' group too, no?
[9:24] <ParkerR> Possibly
[9:24] <ParkerR> sudo usermod -a -G power username
[9:24] <yehnan> ParkerR: I tried. Nope. :)
[9:25] <ParkerR> yehnan: Is consolekit already installed?
[9:25] <ParkerR> Because it needs to be :)
[9:25] <yehnan> ParkerR: Raspbian seems to not have a group named "power"
[9:26] <ParkerR> Ok then maybe you dont need that
[9:26] <ParkerR> yehnan: So consolekit IS installed and that line didnt work?
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[9:28] <ParkerR> Did it throw an error when you tried startx or what?
[9:28] <ParkerR> yehnan:
[9:29] <yehnan> ParkerR: consolekit is already installed.
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[9:31] <[Saint]> there/s a chance you'll need to logoug and log back in.
[9:31] <[Saint]> logout
[9:31] <[Saint]> jeeez. can't type. uuugh.
[9:32] <yehnan> ParkerR: I login and long out. One line is (lxsession-logout:11007): WARNING **: dbus-interface.c94: DBUS: The name org.freedesktop.UPOwer was not provided by any .service files.
[9:32] <yehnan> ParkerR: there are many other similiar output lines, for UPower and Hal.
[9:33] <ParkerR> sudo apt-get install upower
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[9:35] <ParkerR> And that also might add the power group
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[9:43] <yehnan> ParkerR: installing...
[9:44] <ParkerR> And try rebooting after that too
[9:44] <ParkerR> INstall upower, try sudo usermod -a -G power username again, then reboot
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[9:47] <melwyn> hey. is there a way to prevent the pii from booting when attached to a power source? for example: i can connect the usb and start the pi a while later with a switch, thanks!
[9:47] <[Saint]> You can add a reset switch to the P6 header.
[9:48] <[Saint]> that lets you ring it up again after powering down.
[9:48] <[Saint]> *bring
[9:48] <[Saint]> ...as long as the supply is still attached, that is.
[9:48] <ParkerR> [Saint]: He wants to prvent it from booting when applying power
[9:48] <yehnan> ParkerR: cat /etc/group | grep power returns nothing.
[9:48] <ParkerR> yehnan: Ok then just reboot
[9:49] <[Saint]> ParkerR: true - but this was he can shut it down and leave it with the power supply attached and bring it back up when he needs it.
[9:49] <[Saint]> *this way
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[9:51] <ParkerR> :O http://withg.org/parkerlreed/ss.png My Pi on idle
[9:51] <ParkerR> 20mb of RAM used
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[9:52] <ShiftPlusOne> and still some room for trimming
[9:52] <ParkerR> Yeah
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[9:52] <maxinux> fewer ttys, kill dbus, kill ifplugd
[9:53] <maxinux> not too bad though
[9:53] <maxinux> whats funny is thats about what you get with a beaglebone really easy.. and faster hardware..
[9:53] <maxinux> now try to make a reasonable os run on it ...
[9:53] <ParkerR> What do you define as reasonable?
[9:53] <melwyn> Saint, ParkerR thanks :)
[9:54] <maxinux> ParkerR: on the bone? not angstrom, but with support for the specific bone features.. its just premature in its software lifecycle
[9:54] <yehnan> ParkerR: still only logout and cancel.
[9:55] <yehnan> ParkerR: thanks for help. I might give up on this one. :P
[9:56] <ParkerR> Umm I cant get rid of dbus. Removes wpasupplicant :P
[9:56] <maxinux> thats lame
[9:57] <maxinux> can recompile wpa to not need/support it
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[9:57] <ParkerR> Ok http://withg.org/parkerlreed/ss.png
[9:57] <ParkerR> :)
[9:57] <maxinux> saved you a meg.. how much is that coloorful ps app using?
[9:58] <ParkerR> Oh forgot to reboot after commenting out the serial getty
[9:58] <maxinux> htop ... there it is... using a fair amount
[9:58] <maxinux> whats free say?
[9:58] <ParkerR> One sec as it comes back up
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[9:59] <maxinux> ssh <pi ip> 'free' .. kills a bash, htop and maybe the pty.. prolly not
[9:59] <piranhaxx> what is your favorite way of capturing sound with raspberrypi? any chance you have USB device recommandation?
[9:59] <ParkerR> Mem: 383752 53000 330752 0 10328 23764
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[10:00] <ParkerR> total used free shared buffers cached
[10:00] <ParkerR> Mem: 374M 51M 323M 0B 10M 23M
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[10:01] <ParkerR> I like how -h is universal between many programs
[10:01] <ParkerR> Human readable XD
[10:01] <maxinux> 18.46 used
[10:01] <maxinux> to compare apps the same (removing buffers and cache)
[10:01] <Triffid_Hunter> ParkerR: that's quite deliberate fwiw ;)
[10:01] <ParkerR> What the -h?
[10:02] <Triffid_Hunter> ParkerR: yes
[10:02] <ParkerR> I know :)
[10:02] <ShiftPlusOne> should be 'help' >=/
[10:02] <Triffid_Hunter> ParkerR: and -L for forcing dereference and similar
[10:02] <ParkerR> free: invalid option -- 'L' :P
[10:04] <Triffid_Hunter> ParkerR: well of course, what symlinks are you expecting free to dereference exactly? :P
[10:05] <ParkerR> You lost me
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[10:09] <Triffid_Hunter> ParkerR: new-ish to linux? a symlink is like a shortcut except the kernel handles it. if you open one, you get the data from the file it points to. Many programs (such as tar) can either store the symlink as-is, or store the file it points to. -L forces the latter behaviour
[10:09] <ParkerR> No I knew about symlinks. Had never heard of the -L
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[10:12] <gordonDrogon> morning soggy raspberries.
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[10:12] <Triffid_Hunter> soggy? you're doin it wrong :P
[10:12] <gordonDrogon> it's rainy here.
[10:12] <FR^2> I had a coat on ;)
[10:13] <FR^2> Is that cheating? ^^
[10:13] <gordonDrogon> Some would say that there's no such thing as bad weather - just bad clothes...
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[10:20] <FR^2> yesterday in the evening, late at work, it looked like I was in a car in a car wash: Lots of water from all sides. The only thing missing was foam and those brush rollers ;)
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[10:21] <[Saint]> Well...you should be glad. I'm sure raining foamy brush rollers is significantly more dangerous. ;)
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[10:25] <FR^2> [Saint]: *gg* indeed :)
[10:26] <[Saint]> Jeebus!
[10:26] <[Saint]> That highlight scared the pants off me.
[10:26] <[Saint]> ...watching a movie with a *very* quiet audio track.
[10:26] <ParkerR> Woo got my rootfs uage down to 3.0GB
[10:26] <ParkerR> *usage
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[10:32] <gordonDrogon> 3GB? that's a fairly loaded system...
[10:33] <Chaz6> mine is around 800MiB
[10:33] <Chaz6> And i think that's too much
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[10:37] <FR^2> apache http, mariadb, perl, php, kde, xfce4, gnome, libreoffice, ... takes a bit of space, doesn't it? ^^
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[10:42] <gordonDrogon> libreoffice ... onna pi? bit slow, isn't it?
[10:42] <ParkerR> Its not too bad
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[10:42] <FR^2> Just kidding.
[10:42] <gordonDrogon> I use latex for all my writing stuff - it runs OK on the Pi.
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[10:43] <FR^2> At the moment I'm running only one of my pis in a headless state
[10:43] <FR^2> for letters etc. I use xml+xslt+apache fop :)
[10:43] <gordonDrogon> I thought about trying to use a Pi as a regular 'desktop' PC.
[10:43] <gordonDrogon> I think the lack of youtube inna browser is a stumbling block right now.
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[10:45] <ParkerR> gordonDrogon: Well there is a commandline youtube browser
[10:45] <ParkerR> And it uses omxplayer
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[10:46] <ParkerR> gordonDrogon: I would think the lack of speed would cripple it as a desktop PC :P
[10:46] <ParkerR> 'desktop'
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[10:47] <gordonDrogon> it depends on what I use the desktop for - for me, it's mostly xterms, vi, C compiling, or editing php, & web browsing.
[10:48] <ParkerR> Ahh then everything but web browsing
[10:49] <BurtyB> ParkerR, I agree - I have a 512MB Pi in the kitchen for browsing and it's so slow :(
[10:49] <ParkerR> I mean I can stand browsing with chromium but it gets moring after a while
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[10:49] <ParkerR> *boring
[10:51] <ParkerR> BurtyB: That's the sad thing. It isn't a RAM limitation. The CPU just isn't powerfule nough.
[10:51] <ParkerR> *powerfull
[10:52] <BurtyB> ParkerR, yeah :/
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[10:54] <FR^2> I'm thinking of something like a zotac zbox with an intel atom D525 for such usage
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[10:55] <ParkerR> Heck it's faster just to have freerdp on it and rdp into a windows machine
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[10:56] <Bushmills> links2 -g is relatively quick
[10:56] <gordonDrogon> might see if using it as an X terminal is faste & run the browser, etc. on a server.
[10:56] <ParkerR> That's the thing: speed without javascript or javascript and slow
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[10:57] <ParkerR> gordonDrogon: ssh -X user@betterserver midori :)
[10:57] <gordonDrogon> no, not ssh at all, but native X remote displaying.
[10:57] <ParkerR> That's kinda what that is
[10:57] <gordonDrogon> it uses encryption. don't need that.
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[10:57] <FR^2> I've disabled javascript most of the time.
[10:58] <Chaz6> rdp over remote X any day
[10:58] <ParkerR> Sad thing is the web as we know it involves javascript in some way
[10:58] <ParkerR> Almost anywhere you go
[10:59] <FR^2> And most of the time really unnecessary :(
[10:59] <gildean> that's because javascript is awesome and it's fun to write
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[11:04] <gordonDrogon> it's because everyone wants to track you and sell your data.
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[11:04] <gildean> well you can block the trackers easily without blocking the functionality of a site
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[11:08] <gordonDrogon> I do.
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[11:09] <gordonDrogon> ghostery, adblock+, flashblock...
[11:09] <gordonDrogon> and a cookie blocker too, but some sites get really upset with that.
[11:09] <gordonDrogon> Collusion is also an intersting plugin in firefox..
[11:11] <FR^2> gordonDrogon: Same here! :) Most of the time, when I'm not browsing sites that I visit regularly, I have to do some trial and error in order to view the primitive text content of a webpage :(
[11:11] <FR^2> ghostery, noscript, adblock+, flashblock, request policy
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[11:23] <gordonDrogon> kinda sad that we feel we need all that.
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[11:23] <gordonDrogon> but the end-users (that's us) are no more than a commodity now to the "big data" people.
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[11:25] <txomon|fon> hi, I am trying to version my raspberry pi filesystem
[11:25] <FR^2> Indeed. And that's the sad thing.
[11:25] <txomon|fon> to distribute it between my friends
[11:26] <txomon|fon> how are img files generated usually?
[11:26] <txomon|fon> I haven't been able to find the script
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[11:26] <knoppies> txomon|fon, you mean dd?
[11:26] <txomon|fon> knoppies: no, I mean to create the .img from the filesystem hierarchy
[11:27] <knoppies> txomon|fon, I wouldn't know.
[11:27] <maumushi> mkisofs ?
[11:28] <txomon|fon> maybe there are multiple ways, I want to know how they do it...
[11:29] <gildean> txomon|fon: maybe partimage? http://www.partimage.org/Main_Page
[11:30] <gordonDrogon> typically mount it in another Linux box and dd/gzip it if you want a snapshot to distribute, that's not without its issues though.
[11:30] <txomon|fon> gildean: that is for editing partitions
[11:30] <gordonDrogon> before you do that, fill the unusedspace with zeros though - compresses better.
[11:31] <gildean> txomon|fon: no, you can create images of your filesystem too
[11:31] <txomon|fon> I need to create a .img bootable by a raspberry pi from a fs, not the opposite...
[11:31] <gildean> txomon|fon: the first two senteces on the page: Partimage is opensource disk backup software. It saves partitions having a supported filesystem on a sector basis to an image file.
[11:31] <txomon|fon> that is dd
[11:33] <gildean> but imo the easiest way is to use clonezilla, it enables you to create multiple different kinds of images with ease
[11:34] <txomon|fon> the idea is to automatize the process, I will use git under the fs, and with a make img, create the imagefile
[11:36] <txomon|fon> And my idea is to create from 0 the img, not to use a base img
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[11:39] <Triffid_Hunter> txomon|fon: what, like cat /dev/mmcblk0 | ssh me@othermachine 'cat - > rpi.img' ?
[11:39] <Triffid_Hunter> pro tip: use gzip or bzip2 if pushing over an internet link
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[11:49] <djazz> weird, the awesome package in raspbian is "built for arm7l", i thought only armv6h was supported?
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[11:50] <djazz> screenshot: http://i.imgur.com/rap5QLl.jpg
[11:50] <txomon|fon> Triffid_Hunter: I want to create from a rootfs a .img
[11:51] <txomon|fon> not from an already existing img
[11:51] <djazz> then I compared it to the Arch build: http://i.imgur.com/QWQO4VD.jpg
[11:51] <nid0> txomon|fon: yes, you want to take your running rootfs and turn it into an img file right?
[11:51] <djazz> "armv6l"
[11:51] <txomon|fon> no
[11:51] <Triffid_Hunter> txomon|fon: img includes partitions. a little wrangling with loop module can do it without flashing anything at all
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[11:52] <maumushi> so use mkisofs like i said before
[11:52] <txomon|fon> maumushi: but how may I create hardlinks?
[11:53] <Triffid_Hunter> txomon|fon: mount the filesystem. manipulate as necessary.
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[11:54] <maumushi> i think it will copy all; i see that mkisofs is old and you can use genisoimage; try to look on man about hard link
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[12:05] <gordonDrogon> mkisofs will create an image for a CD/DVD...
[12:05] <gordonDrogon> If you're trying to create a .img like the foundations .img files, then it's not the right tool.
[12:07] <maumushi> yes, but ... are not all the linux distrib bootable file to put on usb/sd/cd iso ?
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[12:09] <txomon|fon> maumushi: you can avoid hardlinks if needed
[12:11] <txomon|fon> I suppose that the img are generated with debootstrap and those type of tools
[12:11] <gordonDrogon> maumushi, not for the Pi - the 'img' file is litterally an image of a 2GB SD card, complete with partition table and (normally now) 2 partitions.
[12:11] <gordonDrogon> or a slught smaller than 2GB card as some 2GB cards are slightly smaller.
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[12:15] <maumushi> pi will work with one partition only ?
[12:15] <maumushi> or it you need to have 2 one /boot and the other /
[12:15] <maumushi> ?
[12:16] <txomon|fon> oh
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[12:16] <txomon|fon> ok, then I am going to versionize the .img and thats all
[12:17] <txomon|fon> maumushi: has a fs for the boot img and another fs that is the rootfs
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[12:17] <maumushi> i know, but will it work with 1 only ? with boot and root togheter?
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[12:18] <txomon|fon> no need to have both of them. You can create two img files and cat them
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[12:37] <FR^2> maumushi: There's no necessity for two separate partitions for boot and root.
[12:38] <ozzzy> morning my droogs
[12:38] <FR^2> I'm not on drugs.
[12:39] <[Saint]> None of the 'ol moloko plus, then?
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[12:40] <FR^2> Okay, okay, I'm on caffeine... ;)
[12:41] <ozzzy> that won't prep you for a little of the ultraviolence
[12:43] * [Saint] signs ozzzy of for the Ludovico Technique
[12:43] <[Saint]> *up for
[12:44] <gordonDrogon> maumushi, you need 2 as Linux won't run (easilly) off a FAT filesystem.
[12:44] <ozzzy> LOL
[12:44] <gordonDrogon> so /boot is FAT, / is something else.
[12:45] <FR^2> Ah, yes, that's a thing indeed.
[12:46] <FR^2> I totally forgot about that.
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[12:46] <[Saint]> Normally it wouldn't matter, but, for <insert_probably_crazy_reason_here> the boot partition for the pi has to be FAT
[12:47] <gordonDrogon> The ROM on the GPU can only read FAT - nothing more sinister than that.
[12:47] <[Saint]> Oh, I wasn't implying it was sinister. But, its definitely crazy ;)
[12:48] <gordonDrogon> more like easy - there are many libraries to read FAT from a micocontroller these days.
[12:48] <maumushi> so if one is crazy enought could put all in a fat32 partition ....
[12:48] <[Saint]> No. I don't think you could.
[12:48] <[Saint]> Permissions, or lack thereof, would make it...interesting.
[12:48] <FR^2> not really, since as gordonDrogon already pointed out, plain FAT isn't suitable for running linux
[12:49] <gordonDrogon> not easilly. Linux can't use a FAT filesystem for the root partition (specifically the /dev/ directory)
[12:49] <[Saint]> At the least, it would be an insecure nightmare.
[12:49] <[Saint]> At the worst, it simply wouldn;t work at all.
[12:49] <gordonDrogon> it doesn't support the file types needed to represent Linux devices.
[12:49] <FR^2> You could use FAT and place a disk image that is being mounted via loop *GGG*
[12:49] <[Saint]> FR^2: that's how I'd do it.
[12:50] <gordonDrogon> there is an overlay layer that someone mentioned recently though, but its name has escaped me. You'd need to make sure it was compiled into the kernel though.
[12:50] <[Saint]> A loopback image of a saner FS on FAT.
[12:50] <nid0> a question though, is: why?
[12:50] <nid0> where's the complication with 2 partitions?
[12:50] <FR^2> POSIX Overlay Filesystem using fuse
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[12:52] <maumushi> nid0: no complication, i was only asking because i thought using mkisofs to backup all data in a single img file
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[12:53] <maumushi> i rember old linux installation... you needed to have separate boot partition
[12:54] <[Saint]> you need it if you want LLVM et al.
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[12:59] <FR^2> There was a time where lilo could only load the kernel if it was completely within the first don'tknowhowmany blocks or such, wasn't there? ^^
[13:00] <ShorTie> bootberry is a preaty good boot loader
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[13:00] <gordonDrogon> the old "boot on a separate partition" thing was due to old BIOSes not being able to address more than 1024 cylinders on a disk, so you made sure /boot was the first partition...
[13:00] <ShorTie> can even install os's from it
[13:01] <FR^2> gordonDrogon: Ah, so it wasn't a limit by lilo or such but by the bios. good to kow
[13:01] <FR^2> ShorTie: BerryBoot sounds interesting - booting from usb instead of the internal sdcard...
[13:02] <djazz> yay, managed to get omxplayer in arch working
[13:02] <djazz> i copied omxplayer.bin from raspbian :)
[13:02] <gordonDrogon> it was an intersting time - disk capacities were increasing faste than modo/bios manufacturers could keep up :)
[13:02] <gordonDrogon> way back in those days - ie. 15 years ago :)
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[13:08] <Triffid_Hunter> FR^2: pretty sure that was a bios limitation rather than lilo
[13:10] <vadmeste> Hello everybody. I have a problem about my sdcard corruption and then I got an idea. It's not perfect but I would like to know if it works or not. I want to create an read only partition where I put all binaries and static files. Will that keep my partition safe from corruption ? What about the definition partition table ? It is already read-only as I guess, am I right ? Any comments ?
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[13:11] <txomon|fon> vadmeste: not safe from corruption but it is less probable to get that broken
[13:11] <gordonDrogon> far better to work out what the source of coruption is and fix it.
[13:12] <Triffid_Hunter> of course it'll be safe from corruption, assuming the system you write it from is safe from corruption
[13:12] <Triffid_Hunter> vadmeste: not sure what you need to do to debian to make it happy with RO root though
[13:13] <ShorTie> i's always nice to backup to external device
[13:13] <vadmeste> gordonDrogon: I got many electric power crash lately and that made my RPI unbootable due to sdcard corruption
[13:13] <ShorTie> it's*
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[13:33] <chris_99> grrrrr just got an email from RS saying it'll be 12 weeks before i get the camera, despite getting an email from parcelforce saying i'd recieve the item on the 21st
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[13:46] <ShorTie> oh cool, got a pinger working
[13:48] <ShorTie> oh ya gordonDrogon, i think on your sonar board, if you turn the volume up it will go father
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[14:23] <berak> can i assume something like alsa or jack for sound ? would rtaudio work ?
[14:24] <Bushmills> yes, yes, and no idea
[14:24] <berak> thanks, ok
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[14:25] <Bushmills> on board audio is lo-qual btw
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[14:25] <Bushmills> usb audio is supported, and usually much better quality
[14:25] <gordonDrogon> ShorTie, the ones I have go up to 4m - far enough! (no volume control either)
[14:25] <berak> thanks again
[14:29] <ShorTie> not far enough for me, lol.
[14:30] <gordonDrogon> 4m? Thought you were after 30 inches? That's < 1m ...
[14:30] <ShorTie> ya, volume would need to be added with a small audio transformer
[14:30] <ShorTie> no, 30 feet, like 10 meters
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[14:37] <gordonDrogon> a-ha :)
[14:37] <gordonDrogon> great big tall silos then :)
[14:38] <ShorTie> ya
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[14:43] <Firehopper> http://www.flickr.com/photos/firehopper/8877755869/ < reason my car was loud on the way home last night.
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[14:45] <gazzwi86> hey all
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[14:46] <gazzwi86> I'm trying to follow as many good maker blogs as possible. So aside from instructables, make, and rpi, what good sites can i follow?
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[14:47] <Triffid_Hunter> gazzwi86: anything with an arduino tag
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[14:48] <gordonDrogon> and most with raspberry pi tag ..
[14:49] <gordonDrogon> wish I have more time to keep mine up to date...
[14:50] <SpeedEvil> I recommend on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqq70AnPkj4-UApS_m_6mPw https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCcs0ZkP_as4PpHDhFcmCHyA https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCivA7_KLKWo43tFcCkFvydw and https://www.youtube.com/feed/UCckETVOT59aYw80B36aP9vw
[14:51] <ShorTie> minor technacality Firehopper
[14:52] <SpeedEvil> Mikes electric stuff - excellent often in depth investigation of hands-on matters, welding tips and tricks - welding is fun!, Ben Krasnow - who is too awesome for words 'DIY backscatter X-ray' - and Matthais Wendal - who makes great things from wood.
[14:53] <gordonDrogon> I make great things from food ...
[14:53] <gordonDrogon> or maybe I make great food from things :)
[14:53] <gordonDrogon> mostly other food things...
[14:54] <gildean> Firehopper: rally style exhaust, straight out of the manifold
[14:54] <Firehopper> lol NO
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[14:55] <Firehopper> that wouldnt pass inspection or emissions :)
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[14:59] <SpeedEvil> On a less serious note. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4wRdM4vBFk - how to make a popular youtube video.
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[15:01] <Jck_true> gazzwi86: hackaday
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[15:10] <IT_Sean> Morning
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[15:20] <gazzwi86> I've hooked my rpi to a del modem directly. How can i log into it via ssh? Would I need to grab the IP via the box?
[15:21] <gazzwi86> intact, how could I set up a server that I could log into remotely?
[15:22] <gazzwi86> I have no desktop interface? Am I looking for VNC's?
[15:22] <gordonDrogon> a modem ?
[15:22] <gordonDrogon> what a strange concept.
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[15:22] <gordonDrogon> Do you mean a DSL modem?
[15:23] <gazzwi86> yeh sorry, autocorrect beats me again
[15:23] <gazzwi86> I'd ideally like to be able to ssh in from anywhere, I'm presuming as this device uses no router it should be the easiest to set this up on
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[15:24] <gazzwi86> its just making sure I can get the IP
[15:24] <gazzwi86> since it won't be static
[15:24] <gordonDrogon> you'll need to work out what your ISP needs - PPPoE or PPPoA and how the modem handles it. Some are (nice) protocol converters, (oA to oE) but you might alreadt have that sorted.
[15:24] <gordonDrogon> why won't it be static?
[15:25] <gildean> gordonDrogon: most dsl isps only provide dynamic ips, tho' some give out static ips for a charge
[15:25] <BurtyB> gordonDrogon, because the rest of the world doesn't use ipv6? ;)
[15:26] <gazzwi86> Well i presume every time the modem is rebooted the ip will be refreshed
[15:26] <gildean> these days the isps might even implement an isp level nat
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[15:26] <gildean> gazzwi86: usually they bind the mac of the modem to the ip and leave it bound even in the case of disconnect, at least for some period
[15:27] <gordonDrogon> gildean, I use a nice ISP that gives me static IP addresses.
[15:27] <gildean> so a modem reset wouldn't necessarily change your public ip
[15:27] <gordonDrogon> it depends on the ISP and their policy.
[15:28] <gordonDrogon> the important thing is that you need to run the pppoe (usually) in the Pi - it is the end-point, so it needs to do the authentication to the ISP, etc.
[15:28] <gildean> gordonDrogon: yeah, but most don't provide static ips to consumer lines, not even for money
[15:28] <gordonDrogon> gildean, sorry - in the UK where I do, only the cheap ISPs provide dynamic ones.
[15:28] <gordonDrogon> and you get what you pay for.
[15:29] <gordonDrogon> do you know what your ISP needs in the way of pppoe/oa, etc. ?
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[15:30] <gildean> also the use of pppoe or other auth methods is also dependent on the location, for example here in finland none of the isps use any kind of auth in the dsl-lines
[15:30] <gildean> gordonDrogon: he actually quit
[15:30] <BurtyB> gordonDrogon, I'd say most people are on dynamic in the UK
[15:30] <gordonDrogon> gildean, aargh. didn't notice that. oh well, his loss.
[15:31] <gordonDrogon> BurtyB, not my experience, however maybe I only deal with people who care & are willing to pay for a decent service...
[15:31] <nid0> BurtyB: yeah, because most people use cheapo £5/month ADSL
[15:31] <BurtyB> gordonDrogon, yup lots of people on virgin media for a start..
[15:31] <nid0> doesnt mean there's any shortage of decent providers with static addresses though
[15:32] <gordonDrogon> virgin isn't DSL - an everyone I know more or less has the same IP they had 5 years ago unless they move...
[15:32] * nid0 still has the same IP address from 2 houses ago
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[15:33] <gordonDrogon> lucky :)
[15:33] <gordonDrogon> if on Virgin that is ...
[15:33] <gildean> yeah, as i said, usually the ip is reserved for the mac of the modem for some time, as long as your modem connects to the same dslam
[15:33] <BurtyB> gordonDrogon, true most of their customers are cable but they do sell adsl too... and plenty of other adsl providers do dynamic like BT
[15:34] <gordonDrogon> poor people who can only afford services like that. Good job they're not my customers.
[15:34] <d3nd3> i have pretty much static, but i know for a fact if i use my 2nd router i get a 2nd ip address... and when i switch back its the first ... i only use the first though
[15:35] <gordonDrogon> and yes, I'm a complete snob when it comes to internet provision - it's part of my income and when I moved away from the low-quality providers, life suddenly got a whole lot better!
[15:35] <BurtyB> gordonDrogon, indeed but millions of them :(.. I'll stick with my PI ;)
[15:36] <gordonDrogon> PI at home, or even a small office these days is a bit of a luxury though. You probably work or run an ISP.
[15:36] <BurtyB> gordonDrogon, good guess heh :)
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[15:46] <quaisi> Have a look at http://www.noip.com/support/knowledgebase/getting-started-with-no-ip-com/ for free dynamic dns service
[15:47] <gordonDrogon> no need when you have static IPs ... :)
[15:48] <Jck_true> I could buy a static IP.. For an extra 12USD a month... But considering I've had the same "Dynamic" IP since 2008... I guess it aint gonna matter too much if it eventually changes :P
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[15:49] <linuxstb> Jck_true: That doesn't sound like a dynamic IP ;)
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[15:50] <Jck_true> linuxstb: I've been tempted to call them - ask what I would actually get if I paid for the static one...
[15:51] <linuxstb> Jck_true: I would keep quiet ;)
[15:51] <IT_Sean> As soon as you call them, your almost-static IP will be a lot less static. :p
[15:52] <gordonDrogon> I think a lot depends on the kit the ISP is using at their end.
[15:52] <gordonDrogon> although some ISPs deliberately force a disconnect to make sure you get a new IP address.
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[15:52] <Jck_true> That's the weird part - I get weekly disconnects
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[15:53] <Jck_true> Friday a little past midnight
[15:53] <linuxstb> I knew someone with Orange ADSL, and that disconnected nightly I think to give a new IP
[15:53] <gordonDrogon> the ISP I use don't have a policy of forcing a regular disconnect - I only get disconnected when BT kick something in the exchange.
[15:54] <arcanescu> is there a way to make the wifi dongle on the pi as an AP ?
[15:54] <nid0> I had a sky salesman on my doorstep a couple of months ago, trying to tell me how a dynamic IP was actually the better option because its more secure, dont you know
[15:55] <gordonDrogon> I think the answer is yes; but it depends on the dongle.
[15:55] <arcanescu> gordonDrogon: ive got a ' standard' kind of dongle
[15:55] <gordonDrogon> Connection Status Online (7days 22hrs 54mins 23secs) Hm. not the longest I've seen for my own connection. wonder what BT did last week.
[15:55] <gordonDrogon> arcanescu, you'll need to google it's make and suitability.
[15:56] <gordonDrogon> it'll be at least 2 years until I get fibre )-:
[15:56] <Jck_true> gordonDrogon: Fiber since christmas 2006 :)
[15:56] <nid0> 56days 6hrs 49mins 10secs
[15:56] <nid0> seems to be my longest connected length for the past year or so
[15:57] <Jck_true> Electrical companies rolled it out - Then they went bankrupt
[15:57] <nid0> and I have no clue when I get fibre :(
[15:57] <gordonDrogon> Jck_true, you're not in the UK then...
[15:57] <Jck_true> gordonDrogon: Nope
[15:58] <Chaz6> I'm too close to my exchange.. even if they were rolling out fttp in my area, they only do it from fttc cabinets
[15:58] <Chaz6> So i'm on cable
[15:58] <gordonDrogon> that are moves to change that, but it'll be a year or 2 yet - by effectively putting a cabinet outside the exchange...
[15:58] <Jck_true> The rumour goes that at the local exchange the server admin wanted ferrari black server fronts...
[15:59] <gordonDrogon> I'd have been like that when I was in Bristol - literally over the road from the exchange - I could see the wire from my house go into it...
[15:59] <Jck_true> But then discovered the racks had to be custom painted to match the servers
[15:59] <Chaz6> Don't see why they can't just lay fibre direct to the exchange
[15:59] <Chaz6> No possibility of crosstalk
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[16:00] <Chaz6> ANd instead of having cabinets all starred from the exhcnage, they could be meshed
[16:00] <gordonDrogon> feel free to dig up the roads for that one ...
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[16:01] <Triffid_Hunter> nid0: they don't have much to say when you state "since you've clearly and adamantly demonstrated that you have zero clue, I'll need to speak to your supervisor and place a complaint before signing anything"
[16:02] <nid0> I was tempted to berate him there and then over it but was busy at work, so pretty much just laughed and closed the door at that point
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[16:03] <Chaz6> When I moved here and arranged my cable, they insisted they were installing fibre
[16:03] <Chaz6> Apparently in virgin coax = fibre
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[16:03] <Triffid_Hunter> nid0: in my experience, challenging them to demonstrate that they're not complete morons gets rid of them faster an more effectively than closing door in face
[16:03] <Chaz6> I've complained to the asa before and they don't care
[16:04] <nid0> I learned how useless the ASA were when I complained about virgin as well
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[16:05] <nid0> I get "hey, try our wonderful cable TV and fibre broadband deals, available at your property now!" advertising through my door from them on an almost weekly basis
[16:06] <nid0> despite living in a brand new housing estate they didnt bother to cable up
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[16:14] <gordonDrogon> virgin has always been fibre to the cabinet - so no different to saying that BT's FTTC is the same.
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[16:14] <Chaz6> However virgin insist they are installing fibre into your house
[16:14] <Chaz6> Telewest never used to, and i don't think ntl or diamond did either
[16:15] <gordonDrogon> pretty sure teleworst was all fibre to the cabs in Bristol when I was there.
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[16:15] <Chaz6> It was, but they didn't advertise it as fibre to your house
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[16:15] <Chaz6> They always called it cable
[16:16] <gordonDrogon> I worked for an ISP in Bristol for a while and in the same ubilding was a local telewest node which was just a bit frame full of fibre...
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[16:16] <gordonDrogon> maybe before fibre was "trendy"
[16:16] <Chaz6> Virgin realized that you can lie to customers and get away with it
[16:16] <gordonDrogon> doesn't stop them trying...
[16:16] <gordonDrogon> and BT.
[16:17] <Chaz6> Yep they're the same
[16:17] <gordonDrogon> all ISPs lie IMO.
[16:17] <Chaz6> Puts them in an awkward position when they actually do try to sell fttp
[16:17] <Chaz6> "Oh actually that fibre we sold you wasnt really fibre"
[16:17] <Chaz6> Buy our proper fibre instead
[16:17] <gordonDrogon> :)
[16:18] <gordonDrogon> Oh... GLASS fibre... the old fibre is the fiberous coating on the copper cable ...
[16:18] <Chaz6> hehe
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[16:25] <JakeSays> we're getting google fiber
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[16:26] <IT_Sean> does google fiber keep you regular?
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[16:29] <JakeSays> and fast
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[16:37] <ReggieUK> wot?
[16:38] <JakeSays> 42
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[16:39] <pagios> hello
[16:40] <pagios> anyone using an easycap please?
[16:40] <arcanescu> I was once
[16:40] <DDave> pagios, rtl-sdr?
[16:40] <arcanescu> it wasnt so good so I switched to Dazzle Capture card afaik
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[16:41] <pagios> arcanescu: i got it working but the image is always rotating when playing it is not stable any idea?
[16:41] <arcanescu> Easycap is a video capture device
[16:41] <arcanescu> not sdr :o
[16:41] <arcanescu> pagios: explain rotating?
[16:41] <arcanescu> i mean does it keep flipping?
[16:41] <pagios> yes
[16:42] <arcanescu> look at the v4l2-ctl settings if you can fix something there
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[16:42] <arcanescu> maybe its a param
[16:42] <nailora> hi there. i want to shine leds with my script. the leds should keep shining after my script exits. this is why i do not put a gpio.cleanup() call at the end (or is there another way to achieve this?). now on the next run, i get the dreaded "RuntimeWarning: This channel is already in use". i can fix the warning with gpio.cleanup() but then the lights go out. can i have both? shining LEDs *and* no warning?
[16:42] <pagios> arcanescu: for some weird reasons i dont have a /dev/video for it
[16:42] <Triffid_Hunter> nailora: sure. hack the library
[16:42] <arcanescu> nailora: disable the warnings :)
[16:42] <pagios> arcanescu: any idea which driver name it runs?
[16:43] <arcanescu> nailora: when the warning shows it also tells you to disable warning ---- do this
[16:43] <JakeSays> nailora: write a proper application to manage the lights that never exits
[16:43] <IT_Sean> ^ that!
[16:43] <arcanescu> pagios: i think its the stk11 bblalba driver
[16:43] <arcanescu> lsmod to see whats laoded
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[16:44] <nailora> Triffid_Hunter: umm... if this was the solution I'd rather keep the warning.
[16:45] <arcanescu> that is kinda not what he asked for he wants the * script to exit*
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[16:45] <arcanescu> so just disable the warning
[16:45] <nailora> arcanescu: yeah I probably will do the "look away" approach and ignore the warning as indicated in the message
[16:45] <JakeSays> using 'scripts' to do stateful things is just bad juju
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[16:46] <nailora> JakeSays: yeah I wondered if this shine-my-leds deamon or server was the intended architecture and then decided that it would be massively overkill.
[16:47] <arcanescu> JakeSays: It definately is but I think its more of a LGIT lets get it done thing
[16:47] <JakeSays> nailora: since when is doing it right "massive overkill"?
[16:47] <arcanescu> nailora: http://code.google.com/p/webiopi/wiki/INSTALL
[16:47] <JakeSays> yeah lets get it done is for fools.
[16:48] <arcanescu> JakeSays: yet there are not more of them around ... you will find alot of "lets make a plan and never execute it" people
[16:48] <gordonDrogon> nailora, just use C or the gpio program - none of that stuff about channels already in-use...
[16:49] <JakeSays> arcanescu: and then there are those lets make a plan and execute it people
[16:49] <arcanescu> I really like this webopi stuff
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[16:49] <arcanescu> JakeSays: very few. :]
[16:50] <JakeSays> and since the pi is geared toward education, lets take the opportunity to foster doing things right.
[16:50] <JakeSays> last thing the world needs is more LGID people
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[16:51] <nailora> the what does LGID stand for
[16:51] <JakeSays> 'lets get it done'
[16:51] <nailora> thx
[16:52] <gildean> nailora: i've played around with the gpio using node.js a bit, imo that's fun too
[16:52] <gildean> if you like javascript
[16:52] <JakeSays> gildean: which npm did you use?
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[16:52] <gordonDrogon> I'm quite surprised that the pithon libraries turn stuff off when the program exits though.
[16:52] <gildean> JakeSays: i actually made a new blog just a couple of days ago and made this as the first post: http://gildean.github.io/Starting-out-with-nodejs-and-raspi/
[16:52] <nailora> gildean: i am perfectly fine with python. i have my project i am working on... everything is fine
[16:52] <nailora> JakeSays: it does not if you dont call cleanup
[16:53] <nailora> ^^was for gordonDrogon
[16:53] <arcanescu> nailora: i still dont see the problem in disabling a warning?
[16:53] <JakeSays> gildean: ah cool. i'll check it out. i want to write a little web site to get some gpio status
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[16:53] <nailora> arcanescu: as mentioned above: that is what i will do.
[16:54] <arcanescu> JakeSays: webopi does that
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[16:54] <arcanescu> JakeSays: you can get the status aswell as set any if you want to
[16:54] <gildean> JakeSays: it's really simple, in the end of the article i link to a fleshed out demo that includes a http- and a websocket server for interacting with the gpio from multiple clients in real-time
[16:54] <djazz> whats the best way to install the up to date nodejs on the pi?
[16:54] <djazz> right now I'm compiling, or use Arch
[16:54] <gildean> djazz: either building or use the official release
[16:55] <djazz> official release?
[16:55] <djazz> in the repo?
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[16:55] <nailora> arcanescu: imho this is the best compromise of pure/correct/working/simple. no need to overengineer / premature optimization.
[16:55] <gildean> djazz: hmm, the latest one hasn't been built it seems, but for example: http://nodejs.org/dist/v0.10.7/node-v0.10.7-linux-arm-pi.tar.gz
[16:56] <djazz> ah
[16:56] <arcanescu> nailora:for your scenario or webopi?
[16:56] <nailora> arcanescu: my led thing.
[16:56] <djazz> how do I install it?
[16:56] <djazz> paste in /usr ?
[16:56] <arcanescu> nailora:definately
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[16:59] <pagios> arcanescu: do you think it is possible to get that into gstreamer ? stk11
[16:59] <JakeSays> gildean: i tried dinking with node this weekend - couldn't get it to work, but i didnt try too hard
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[17:00] <gildean> JakeSays: it should just work(tm)
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[17:01] <JakeSays> yeah it could've been my hardware setup. my gpio connection was a bit flakey
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[17:02] <gildean> djazz: yeah, afaik it should be enough if you put it under /usr/local
[17:02] <gildean> i've only compiled my own or used a repo on other systems
[17:02] <JakeSays> gildean: ah you werent using interrupts?
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[17:03] <gildean> JakeSays: in what way?
[17:03] <JakeSays> with gpio - to detect pin changes
[17:03] <gildean> JakeSays: you didn't read the post?
[17:03] <pagios> arcanescu: v4l2-ctl --all
[17:03] <pagios> Failed to open /dev/video0: No such file or directory :/
[17:04] <JakeSays> gildean: lol um, i stopped reading and asked that question just before the paragraph that talks about interrupts
[17:04] <arcanescu> pagios: ls /dev/vid* ?
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[17:04] <arcanescu> you dont have video0 ?
[17:05] <pagios> arcanescu: http://pastie.org/7979802 this works fine and displays the flipping screen
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[17:05] <pagios> nop
[17:05] <pagios> only video16 17 20
[17:05] <arcanescu> pagios: secam?
[17:05] <arcanescu> pagios: are you in the states?
[17:05] <pagios> ls -altr no
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[17:05] <pagios> lol
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[17:05] <pagios> no i am not in the states
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[17:06] <arcanescu> pagios: somagic-capture --secam -> somagic-capture --pal
[17:06] <JakeSays> gildean: which leds are you blinking, and what buttons are you using?
[17:07] <gildean> JakeSays: what do you mean? i just connected some random leds and random buttons i had laying around
[17:07] <arcanescu> pagios: see if that makes a difference
[17:07] <pagios> http://pastie.org/7979820 arcanescu same problem with pal
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[17:08] <JakeSays> gildean: lol ah ok. was just making sure there weren't buttons on the pi i wasnt aware of.
[17:08] <gildean> JakeSays: in this app i made the pins are selected by setting them in the config.json file: https://github.com/gildean/raspi-ledblinker
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[17:08] <arcanescu> pagios: what is this: mplayer: could not connect to socket mplayer: No such file or directory
[17:08] <pagios> arcanescu: here is a display: http://snag.gy/4It8U.jpg
[17:09] <arcanescu> pagios: this isnt flipping its kind of overlapped
[17:09] <pagios> yea
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[17:09] <pagios> goes rnadomly like that
[17:10] <arcanescu> hmmmm weird
[17:10] <pagios> its a DVR, do you think it could be encrypted or something ? :/
[17:10] <pagios> arcanescu: i would like to get that into gstreamer, any idea?
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[17:11] <arcanescu> pagios: i have no clue if it was.... using gstreamer it would probably be using the v4l2src
[17:11] <pagios> yea but the problem being i cant find its dev/video*
[17:11] <arcanescu> by try v4l2-ctl first on the remaining video devices
[17:11] <Firehopper> stuff to fix car is $360, that includes new front brakes and pads.
[17:11] <arcanescu> v4l2-ctl by default picks up /dev/video0
[17:12] <Firehopper> the pipe was $180 alone.
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[17:12] <pagios> arcanescu: how can i pick video 16 for instance ?
[17:12] <pagios> -c /dev/video16?
[17:13] <arcanescu> pagios: or remove the device ls /dev/vid* see what shows... then inser the device and ls again see which video showed up this way u will know which device it is
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[17:13] <arcanescu> strange though it is numbering it 16 17 balbal
[17:13] <pagios> no actually 16 17 are built in
[17:13] <pagios> so even if i remove the ewasy cap they are there
[17:13] <arcanescu> v4l2-ctl -d /dev/video0 or w/e
[17:13] <pagios> i am using an odroid btw
[17:13] <pagios> and a rpi too
[17:14] <JakeSays> odroid?
[17:14] <arcanescu> Oh droid
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[17:15] <pagios> arcanescu: no other way to find out the device driver? something like lsmod
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[17:15] <arcanescu> pagios: not that i know of.....
[17:15] <pagios> arcanescu: http://pastie.org/7979855
[17:15] <arcanescu> this odroid is faster than my fone :/
[17:17] <arcanescu> pagios: i cannot tell which is the driver for the easycap....
[17:17] <arcanescu> mine showed up as stk11 something
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[17:18] <JakeSays> arcanescu: what is webopi?
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[17:19] <pagios> arcanescu: did you try getting it into gstreamer?
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[17:39] <arcanescu> JakeSays: controlling gpio through a webpage. Also tell you status etc, can run as a daemon
[17:39] <arcanescu> pagios: no as i stated I could not get the easycap to work properly, and I used a dazzle capture card
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[17:41] <pagios> arcanescu: do you think something like that could be used? somagic-capture --pal --sync=1 | gst-launch-1.0
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[17:41] <AlphaPinky> My first Pi is available to me!!! yay! PcExtreme from Netherland that set up it for me. Now I'm updating it :)
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[17:42] <IT_Sean> you just got your first pi?
[17:42] * AlphaPinky is wondering what he can do with this Pi.
[17:42] <arcanescu> pagios: definately, after the pipe you need gst-launnch-1.0 fdsrc ! wwatver else pipeline
[17:42] <AlphaPinky> Yes.
[17:42] <IT_Sean> Awesome!
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[17:42] <IT_Sean> Welcome aboard.
[17:42] <schnuws> Is it still hard to get a hold of em? o.o
[17:42] <pagios> fdsrc?
[17:42] <AlphaPinky> I tried to import two to Brazil but the custom didn't let me for an unknown reason (to me).
[17:43] <schnuws> how weird
[17:43] <arcanescu> pagios: yes fdsrc means it will read from the pipe specified earlier in your case the somagic-capture
[17:43] <AlphaPinky> So I had to buy one and host it in Netherland. PcExtreme offered free hosting for Raspberry Pi.
[17:43] <IT_Sean> Well, what do you plan to do with it, now you have it?
[17:43] <AlphaPinky> I think run Node.JS.
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[17:43] <pagios> arcanescu: somagic-capture --pal --sync=1 | gst-launch-1.0 fdsrc ! autovideosink
[17:43] <pagios> ?
[17:43] <AlphaPinky> I wish I could also run CJDNS. But I think it is too heavy for the slow processor, so I'm skipping it for now.
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[17:44] <AlphaPinky> I also would like to VPN to my Pi.
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[17:44] <arcanescu> pagios: I guess that should work
[17:44] <AlphaPinky> tbh. I bought the Pi without knowing what I would do about it.
[17:45] <arcanescu> pagios: you might need fdsrc ! videoconvert ! autovideosink though
[17:45] <schnuws> A whole lot of fun things to do with the pi ^__^
[17:45] <Twist-> AlphaPinky: Many of us did. It's cheap enough for an impulse buy.
[17:45] <pagios> arcanescu: WARNING: from element /GstPipeline:pipeline0/GstVideoConvert:videoconvert0: not negotiated
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[17:46] <JakeSays> AlphaPinky: i bought two of them not knowing what i'd do with them. lol
[17:46] <AlphaPinky> What did you do?
[17:46] <AlphaPinky> (with them then)
[17:46] <AlphaPinky> :)
[17:46] <JakeSays> i put one in a mouse trap
[17:46] <JakeSays> havent done anything with the other yet
[17:46] <arcanescu> pagios: first try gst-launch-1.0 ! fakesink silent=false see if you see data
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[17:46] <schnuws> JakeSays: why? =D
[17:46] <arcanescu> pagios: then try videotestsrc ! videoconvert ! autovideosink to see if you can actually render video
[17:47] <JakeSays> schnuws: why what?
[17:47] <schnuws> the mouse trap
[17:47] <schnuws> for monitoring mouse deaths?
[17:47] <Twist-> AlphaPinky: One handy thing is using them to drive extra monitors as an information console
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[17:47] <Twist-> If you have more monitors than computers
[17:47] <pagios> arcanescu: http://pastie.org/7979971
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[17:48] <JakeSays> schnuws: lol oh. no, its a live trap.
[17:48] <schnuws> hehe
[17:48] <AlphaPinky> I don't have physical access to this first Pi i'm having. it is hosted in a datacenter. As I got a 16Gb SD. I am going to use it as a server.
[17:48] <Twist-> AlphaPinky: they do make nice low-power servers if you don't need to perform disk intensive operations
[17:48] <arcanescu> pagios: just render video using videotestsrc see if that works
[17:48] <JakeSays> AlphaPinky: lol a data center?
[17:49] <AlphaPinky> Yes. They host Raspberry Pi for free at PcExtreme.nl.
[17:49] <johnc-> gotta power those internets
[17:49] <Twist-> I don't think they're great as colocated servers when much more powerful virtual servers can be had at $5/mo
[17:49] <AlphaPinky> No kidding. pcextreme.nl
[17:49] <JakeSays> johnc-: 'sup
[17:49] <johnc-> it's probably one of the freenode nodes
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[17:49] <johnc-> JakeSays: hail
[17:49] <pagios> arcanescu: somagic-capture --pal --sync=1 | gst-launch-1.0 videotestsrc ! videoconvert ! autovideosink works, shows the geneic color auto video test src not the actual easycap input
[17:50] <arcanescu> pagios: aghhhh
[17:50] <AlphaPinky> Wrong url. http://raspberrypicolocatie.nl/
[17:50] <arcanescu> yes i meant to see if that works the test signal
[17:50] <pagios> yea it works
[17:50] <Twist-> AlphaPinky: I really like them as web/network interface gateways for microcontroller based electronics projects
[17:50] <arcanescu> pagios: now try same with fdsrc
[17:51] <AlphaPinky> That seems very nice. I wish I could automate my home using it.
[17:51] <JakeSays> Twist-: thats actually how i'm using one of them - i have it connected to a basic stamp microcontroller
[17:51] <pagios> arcanescu: http://pastie.org/7979989
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[17:51] <pagios> seems i have to use some caps
[17:51] <JakeSays> i think the pi would be a great frontend for an arduino network
[17:53] <arcanescu> fdsrc ! capsfilter caps= ! video/x-raw, format=I420, width=320, height=240 ! videoconvert ! autovideosink
[17:53] <arcanescu> oops
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[17:53] <arcanescu> fdsrc ! capsfilter caps= video/x-raw, format=I420, width=320, height=240 ! videoconvert ! autovideosink
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[17:53] <schnuws> question, I just bought a new SDCard cuz my last one only ended up "read only" whenever I was done installing
[17:54] <schnuws> and now, after the install.. it's read only again
[17:54] <schnuws> Why? :'(
[17:54] <johnc-> did you run out of space on it? did you expand the filesystem to the size of the card?
[17:55] <schnuws> did expand, and I have just installed the system on a 8GB card
[17:55] <AlphaPinky> Does the Raspberry Pi crash often?
[17:55] <AlphaPinky> I wonder how long it will run without crashing.
[17:55] <schnuws> Just installed it, never crashed
[17:55] <schnuws> aha
[17:55] <schnuws> I ran one for 8 months straight
[17:55] <AlphaPinky> Cool.
[17:56] <Raspiman> If you crash it, most of the time the error is betweet monitor / chair
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[17:58] <johnc-> you can crash it?!
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[18:07] <Amadiro> AlphaPinky, it's relatively stable, but sometimes the VC driver fudges up its internal state or so, making using the VC impossible
[18:08] <AlphaPinky> VC=?
[18:08] <AlphaPinky> Video Controller?
[18:08] <AlphaPinky> I'm using it as a server.
[18:08] <Amadiro> videocore, it's the graphics card part.
[18:08] <AlphaPinky> I don't use it.
[18:08] <AlphaPinky> I use SSH only. :)
[18:08] <Amadiro> in particular, if you use omxplayer to play back videos, and then kill omxplayer, it will sometimes leave the VC driver in some sort of undefined state
[18:08] <AlphaPinky> My goal is to use it as a webserver (node.js+mongodb) + vpn gateway.
[18:08] <Amadiro> reloading the VC driver may help, but I'm usually fixing it by rebooting
[18:09] <Amadiro> Other than that, it has never crashed for any reason
[18:09] <AlphaPinky> cool.
[18:09] <mgottschlag> AlphaPinky: the VideoCore is what acts as a bootloader, does power management, audio, and a lot of other stuff
[18:09] <mgottschlag> you *are* using it :)
[18:09] <AlphaPinky> oh.
[18:09] <AlphaPinky> I thought it was related to graphics.
[18:09] <Amadiro> well, it is
[18:09] <Amadiro> but they fudged a lot of other stuff into it
[18:10] <Triffid_Hunter> hm, I'm yet to funk the VC on my pi
[18:10] <mgottschlag> actually, the chip is a large VideoCore processor, and in the end they thought it might be nice to have an arm core as well and bolted it somehow on top of the system
[18:10] <Amadiro> but as mentioned, the only issue I've ever got was with videoplayback/OpenGL ES applications stopping to work
[18:10] <mgottschlag> that's how it looks at least
[18:10] <Amadiro> I don't think the rest of the system was affected
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[18:11] <AlphaPinky> I've set video memory to 16mbit only. Is that fine?
[18:11] <Amadiro> do you mean 16MiB
[18:11] <AlphaPinky> yes.
[18:11] <Amadiro> that is quite a lot more than 16mbit ;)
[18:11] <AlphaPinky> ;)
[18:12] <Triffid_Hunter> about 8x more?
[18:12] <Amadiro> I think that should work fine for displaying the console
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[18:12] <Amadiro> Triffid_Hunter, well, depends on how you interpret the "m" (mega, binary mega, milli are all valid interpretations...)
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[18:13] <Triffid_Hunter> Amadiro: milli is only valid with subsequent suffix :P
[18:13] <Amadiro> subsequent suffix?
[18:13] <Triffid_Hunter> although I've never seen milli-bits used for anything, ever!
[18:13] <Amadiro> I have
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[18:13] <Amadiro> sometimes you have really low transfer-rates... :P
[18:14] <Triffid_Hunter> yikes, if it's measured in milli-bits per <any common time unit> I'm probably not interested
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[18:14] <SpeedEvil> I've seen millibits per pixel used
[18:14] <SpeedEvil> for video codecs
[18:14] <Amadiro> AlphaPinky, at any rate, at 16MiB, you may not be able to start up xorg/weston/any OpenGL ES 2.0 apps/videos, so thats something to keep in mind (even if you're probably not going to need that)
[18:15] <Amadiro> SpeedEvil, yeah, or for compressing point cloud data/voxels, et cetera
[18:15] <Triffid_Hunter> AlphaPinky: yeah for pure server 16M should be heaps
[18:15] <Amadiro> I think I've also seen it in the context of information leakage from black holes through hawking radiations
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[18:15] <Triffid_Hunter> Amadiro: now that sounds like an interesting article.. link?
[18:16] <Amadiro> Triffid_Hunter, don't have any, but wikipedia may mention ways to measure information conveyed through HR
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[18:53] <Solenki> Hi
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[18:56] <schnuws> hello !
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[18:58] <suhaib> schnuws: Heloo
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[19:00] <schnuws> Whats goin on? =D
[19:00] <Solenki> I'm trying to design a case for my pi, can anyone help me, I have some questions.
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[19:00] <suhaib> Eatcing some sweets, How about you :-D
[19:01] <schnuws> =D
[19:01] <schnuws> Trying to figure out why rpi.gpio dosnt recognize pin 25 as a pin
[19:02] <wroberts1> there are two different numbering schemes
[19:02] <schnuws> ahaa! broadcom = 25 => gpio 4 ?
[19:02] <schnuws> 6
[19:02] <schnuws> not 4
[19:04] <schnuws> or am I supposed to use the pin number?
[19:04] <schnuws> GPIO 6 = pin 22 ?
[19:07] <Redostrike> schnuws http://learn.adafruit.com/adafruits-raspberry-pi-lesson-4-gpio-setup/the-gpio-connector
[19:08] <schnuws> ty
[19:08] <wroberts1> it looks like rpi.gpio uses BCM numbering, so pin 22 = 25
[19:09] <wroberts1> "In this example we use GPIO7 (pin 26) and GPIO8 (pin 24)" http://www.raspberrypi-spy.co.uk/2012/06/simple-guide-to-the-rpi-gpio-header-and-pins/
[19:11] <schnuws> oh, I can actually set the mode with GPIO.setmode(GPIO.BCM)
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[19:22] <boggle> Anybody got a recommendation for a webcam low power enough to avoid the use of a USB hub? I've got an opencv dashcam thing in mind.
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[19:29] <wroberts1> howbout camera with its own power supply?
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[19:29] <Triffid_Hunter> boggle: http://triffid-hunter.no-ip.info/101_0120.JPG
[19:29] <boggle> wroberts1: very open to that idea, but of course it'd need to have a usb interface
[19:30] <boggle> Triffid_Hunter: wat?
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[19:30] <Triffid_Hunter> boggle: I don't have qualms about usb device power usage anymore.. seems that's what it takes
[19:31] <Bushmills> not with ip cams which connect to ethernet
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[19:31] <boggle> What, is that a custom solder you did or something?
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[19:31] <boggle> Triffid_Hunter:
[19:31] <Triffid_Hunter> boggle: yes
[19:32] <Triffid_Hunter> boggle: the rpi's power system is poorly implemented, needs some help in order to not fall over
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[19:33] <boggle> Bushmills: any recommendations?
[19:34] <Bushmills> not especially. see whether they are available for 5 volt, so they can be driven from the same power source.
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[19:36] <Bushmills> last one i looked at was an abus network cam, but i don't know what voltage it operated on
[19:36] <boggle> Triffid_Hunter: I don't suppose you have a more detailed explanation posted somewhere, do you?
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[19:37] <Triffid_Hunter> boggle: nope, all I did was add some wires to the power traces, not worth a schematic or lots of detail
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[19:43] <boggle> Triffid_Hunter: any particular type of wires?
[19:43] <Bushmills> conductive ones :)
[19:43] <Triffid_Hunter> boggle: thicker ones than the pathetically thin traces in the rpi's PCB. I used network cable
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[19:44] <IT_Sean> Thats some sloppy soldering, man.
[19:44] <IT_Sean> :p
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[19:45] <Triffid_Hunter> IT_Sean: :P
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[19:46] <ShorTie> blaa..., fatal error: iostream: No such file or directory
[19:46] <IT_Sean> Triffid_Hunter: does that improve USB performance?
[19:46] <IT_Sean> i.e. does it still hang or reboot when hotplugging USB?
[19:46] <ShorTie> how do i get #include<iostream> ??
[19:46] <Triffid_Hunter> IT_Sean: rock solid. I can hotplug wireless and disks into the usb all day, doesn't hiccup at all
[19:46] <IT_Sean> niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice
[19:47] <IT_Sean> I'm now tempted to do the same
[19:47] <IT_Sean> If only i knew where my solder was. :/
[19:47] <Triffid_Hunter> IT_Sean: it's the MLCC that really do the trick.. the wires just help with the aftermath
[19:47] <IT_Sean> MLCC?
[19:47] <Triffid_Hunter> multilayer ceramic capacitor, http://triffid-hunter.no-ip.info/101_0120_mlcc.jpg
[19:47] <IT_Sean> ooh
[19:48] <Triffid_Hunter> those ones are 10uF, 10v, 0603
[19:49] <IT_Sean> well then... so much for that.
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[19:50] <Triffid_Hunter> IT_Sean: heh should be able to get a strip of 50 for a couple of dollars from the usual suspects
[19:50] <IT_Sean> it's not the parts... I lack the fine motor control in my hand for fiddly smt work
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[19:51] <Triffid_Hunter> ah that's unfun. got an available child or friend who has got the motor control?
[19:51] <IT_Sean> child? no.
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[19:51] <IT_Sean> Friend... perhaps.
[19:51] <Triffid_Hunter> would love to hear someone else's before and after, as long as it doesn' t involve the phrase "and then fire came out"
[19:51] <cmendes0101> I was checking out NFC/RFID controller from adafruit. In my project I'm using I2C for expanding 32pins. Is there any conflict with running both? Not really familiar with this
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[19:57] <schnuws> Would it be possible to close down emulationstation and then enter xbmc and vice versa, just with an input signal from gpio?
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[19:59] <Bushmills> changing runlevels is what could throw you in the one or the other configuration
[19:59] <Bushmills> so you just need to execute a command upon event
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[20:16] <ParkerR> :D Doing an idle test of a cheap rechargable USB battery with the Pi. Some normal usage in the beginning and letting it idle it's gone for a hour now.
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[20:19] <ParkerR> And this is monitoring via wifi
[20:19] <ParkerR> So even that's been pulling power and it's still going
[20:21] <IT_Sean> Is there any indication of the percentage of battery remaining?
[20:21] <ParkerR> D: TP1 to TP2 is 4.21V
[20:21] <ParkerR> Nope
[20:21] <Redostrike> http://www.icrobotics.co.uk/wiki/index.php/Turning_the_Raspberry_Pi_Into_an_FM_Transmitter
[20:21] <Redostrike> so fun to play with
[20:21] <IT_Sean> 4.21v? That's a bit low. Is the Pi stable? The published minimum is 4.25
[20:22] <IT_Sean> err... 4.75, rahter
[20:22] <ParkerR> Seems to be stable. SSH is still responding
[20:22] <IT_Sean> (dammed keypad)
[20:22] <ParkerR> Oooh
[20:22] <ParkerR> Just died
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[20:22] <gildean> i'm running on 4.68V, works fine even under full load
[20:22] <ParkerR> 1:03:01
[20:22] <harris> anyone here use python
[20:22] <IT_Sean> Died completly, or did wifi just drop off?
[20:22] <ParkerR> Died completely
[20:23] <gildean> i think it's my wifi-adapter sucking all the juices out of mine
[20:23] <harris> anyone
[20:23] <Mortvert> you might have the same problem as i did
[20:23] <IT_Sean> so, about an hour of runtime.
[20:23] <ParkerR> Yeah not too shabby
[20:23] <Mortvert> i had to send my pi back in
[20:23] <IT_Sean> not bad at all.
[20:23] <Mortvert> since it was dead after some minutes if you had put load on it
[20:23] <ParkerR> For a $5 battery from Radioshack, yeah pretty good
[20:23] <mgottschlag> what uses 5v on the pi anyways? I bet nothing, so the limit would be the dropout voltage of the 3.3v regulator
[20:24] <Mortvert> cpu dues iirc
[20:24] <IT_Sean> I'm shocked it was stable at 4.21v, ParkerR.
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[20:24] <ParkerR> IT_Sean: It may not have been. It wasnt under much load. Just htop
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[20:24] <IT_Sean> The CPU, the network adapter, and anything hanging off a USB port.
[20:24] <IT_Sean> mgottschlag ^
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[20:24] <harris> how can i open python file in terminal
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[20:25] <rymate1234> python your file
[20:25] <ParkerR> nano file.py to edit
[20:25] <Redostrike> vi file/py
[20:25] <harris> no i want to run it
[20:25] <Mortvert> nano? use vi or emacs
[20:25] <ParkerR> python file.py
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[20:25] <ParkerR> Mortvert: :<
[20:25] <mgottschlag> ah, I see, I thought the CPU only used 3.3V and 1.8V
[20:25] <Redostrike> ./file.py
[20:25] <ParkerR> Redostrike: Only if the file has #!/usr/bin/python at the top
[20:26] <Redostrike> true
[20:26] <Redostrike> but that is a must as a good programmer :p
[20:26] <ParkerR> :P
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[20:26] <mgottschlag> although the only thing which uses 5V is a drop-down regulator
[20:26] <gildean> just open up nautilus, press ctrl+l, type in ssh://yourpisnameorip and work on the files like they're local
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[20:27] <ParkerR> Assuming everybody has nautilus
[20:27] <ParkerR> ;)
[20:28] <Redostrike> mc is better :p
[20:28] <Bushmills> late thunar supports scp/sftp too by now
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[20:29] <Bushmills> but there's also nfs, and autofs.
[20:29] <ParkerR> Or just mounting it and browsing via command line :)
[20:29] <Bushmills> for independence of specific file managers
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[20:36] <r4> http://www.amazon.com/Kootek-Aluminum-Heatsink-set-Raspberry/dp/B00C8NNZ36/ref=pd_sim_pc_6 <---waste of money or worth it?
[20:36] <NullMoogleCable> is there a wayland download yet?
[20:36] <ParkerR> There is a repo
[20:36] <ParkerR> I could never figure out how to run it though
[20:36] <r4> I'm noticing my pi is getting a little hot running as a xbmc/znc box
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[20:37] <mgottschlag> r4: probably a waste of money
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[20:37] <mgottschlag> the lan chip is hot, but still within its design limits I think
[20:37] <SpeedEvil> a tiny fan on the bottom may be better
[20:37] <ParkerR> http://fooishbar.org/tell-me-about/wayland-on-raspberry-pi/
[20:37] <mgottschlag> and you cannot cool the CPU anyways as it is hidden below sdram
[20:38] <ParkerR> NullMoogleCable, Also long time no see :D
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[20:38] <NullMoogleCable> i know, going though rough times
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[20:39] <r4> mgottschlag: thanks :)
[20:42] <Bushmills> r4, https://www.fasttech.com/products/0/10001230/1102600-aluminum-heatsinks-for-raspberry-pi-3-pack
[20:42] <NullMoogleCable> http://wtfmoogle.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Pipowertime.jpg ParkerR
[20:43] <ParkerR> Oh yeah forgot about that
[20:43] <NullMoogleCable> my latest version
[20:44] <ParkerR> NullMoogleCable, It gets to 37% and stops
[20:44] <ParkerR> On the image download
[20:44] <NullMoogleCable> http://wtfmoogle.com/?attachment_id=3135
[20:44] <r4> Bushmills: cheap!
[20:44] <Bushmills> though that may be preferrable, at lower cost: https://www.fasttech.com/products/0/10001230/1131404-pure-copper-heatsink-for-raspberry-pi
[20:45] * IT_Sean facepalms
[20:45] <ParkerR> NullMoogleCable, Hmm full sized seems borked
[20:45] <ParkerR> Not even downloading fully in wget
[20:45] <ParkerR> 37% [=============> ] 179,909 --.-K/s eta 2m
[20:45] <IT_Sean> unless you are seriousily overclocked, you do NOT need a heat sink onna raspi
[20:45] <mgottschlag> r4, Bushmills: http://i1072.photobucket.com/albums/w361/trendinguk/eBay/raspberry_pi_heat.jpg :)
[20:45] <NullMoogleCable> my pi is overclocked to 1200mhz :S
[20:45] <mgottschlag> a single CPU cooler won't help much
[20:45] <IT_Sean> I call bullhonkery on that
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[20:46] <ParkerR> IT_Sean, [Saint] has it at like 1.3
[20:46] <mgottschlag> I think that is a rev1 board though, with rev2 the lan chip is cooler
[20:47] <r4> mgottschlag: why wouldn't those heat sinks help? It might not matter but I would think it would help
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[20:47] <Ely_arp> 1200 wow...are you water cooling?
[20:48] <mgottschlag> helping means that you gain something from lower temperature though
[20:48] <r4> true
[20:48] <r4> given i havent had problems yet
[20:48] <r4> i think ill just leave it alone
[20:48] <r4> i do run my Pi 24/7 though
[20:48] <r4> not sure if that matters much
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[20:50] <NullMoogleCable> http://wtfmoogle.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/DSC00451.jpg
[20:50] <g2nightmare> anyone here good with webfaction? i ran into some trouble
[20:50] <NullMoogleCable> i think it is my power supply i use
[20:50] <freulein> sometimes i take my pi with me in the inner pocket of my jacket, with a battery pack... can get quite hot in there
[20:50] <g2nightmare> wait. wrong channel xD
[20:50] <NullMoogleCable> as i can tweek it per 0.01v
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[20:51] <ParkerR> NullMoogleCable, wtf is wrong with your server "50% [==================> ] 196,292 --.-K/s eta 30s"
[20:51] <NullMoogleCable> nothing?
[20:51] <ParkerR> Thats for the DSC image
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[20:51] <ParkerR> Nothing is downloading fully
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[20:52] <Bushmills> can you write anything at all to SD card? touch foo ?
[20:52] <ParkerR> Me?
[20:52] <ParkerR> This is on my laptop
[20:52] <Bushmills> no, your raspberry
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[20:53] <ParkerR> Yeah but that isnt onvolved here...
[20:53] <ParkerR> (involved
[20:53] <Bushmills> oh, then i must be on the wrong channel
[20:54] <NullMoogleCable> i have no idea
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[21:13] <MannDude> Hey folks. Pardon my ignorance, but I just got the Raspberry Pi today. Trying to find a guide on how to flash the .img file for Raspian to my SD-Card. I'm rocking CrunchBang at home, which is Debian based. Having trouble Googling because Google does not like my g'damn VPN IP and won't let me search.
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[21:14] <NullMoogleCable> is there a way to network boot a pi?
[21:15] <IT_Sean> you'd still need the SD card for the initial boot. Beyond that, i'm not sure what would be involved.
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[21:16] <NullMoogleCable> what about say a spi flash chip?
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[21:18] <IT_Sean> The raspi can only boot off the SD card. It looks there, and only there, for boot instructions. You can then pass the boot process off to another device.
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[21:20] <NullMoogleCable> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Panasonic-Ultra-Thin-5V-35mm-x-7mm-Square-Laptop-Fan-/260728712900?pt=US_CPU_Fans_Heatsinks&hash=item3cb4a46ec4
[21:20] <NullMoogleCable> i wonder if a active heatsink would let me oc more :D
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[21:26] <gordonDrogon> MannDude, got it going yet?
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[21:26] <SpeedEvil> NullMoogleCable: The top of the device is very poorly coupled to the CPU core, and is mechanically weak
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[21:26] <MannDude> Sorry, had to bust out some support tickets
[21:26] <SpeedEvil> NullMoogleCable: Place a fan blowing on the bottom of the board
[21:26] <MannDude> Uhh, not yet.
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[21:27] <MannDude> I may just create the bootable SD from my laptop
[21:27] <gordonDrogon> MannDude, if you get the SD card plugged ito your Linux PC then it's a simple 'dd' command.
[21:27] <MannDude> Oh yea?
[21:27] <gordonDrogon> Oh yes.
[21:27] <MannDude> Nice. Will save me the trouble of using usb-imagewriter on ze ol' laptop
[21:28] <ParkerR> IT_Sean, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcpQktqYbA4
[21:28] <gordonDrogon> you work out the device of the SD card in your Linux box - it's usually /dev/mmcblk0 for an in-board reader, or possible /dev/sdb (or sdc, sdd, etc.) for a USB connected one.
[21:29] <ParkerR> And you can check dmesg to find out
[21:29] <gordonDrogon> then dd if=image.img of=/dev/mmcblk0 bs=8M and off you go.
[21:29] <MannDude> So the .img is at ./home/manndude/downloads and the SD card is at ./media/6534-3739
[21:30] <ParkerR> MannDude, No
[21:30] <ParkerR> Thats the moint point
[21:30] <ParkerR> It has to be the /dev/ point
[21:30] <ParkerR> *mount
[21:31] <MannDude> K
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[21:31] <MannDude> A little busy at this moment but I'll be back in here soon to give that a shot
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[21:31] <MannDude> So I thank ya for the suggestion and I'll be back soon to give it a shot
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[21:33] <ParkerR> IT_Sean, Soplaying a 1080p youtube video and stable at 4.55v
[21:33] <ParkerR> *So playing
[21:34] <Tachyon`> hi, anyone know if electrolytic cap electrolyte is basic or acidic?
[21:34] <Tachyon`> had some leak onto a board and wondering how best to clean it off
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[21:37] <plugwash> dunno where it is on the acidity scale but in general my go-to cleaner for cleaning electronics is isopropyl alcohol
[21:37] <taza> My go-to cleaner is also isopropyl alcohol, mostly because pure ethanol is hard to source.
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[21:38] <harrisr> hi
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[21:38] <harrisr> what are people using the pi camera for
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[21:38] <taza> But, in this specific case, I'd go with water, heh.
[21:39] <IT_Sean> harrisr: taking pcitures, mostly, i suspect.
[21:39] <chris_99> you know on the RPi schematic could anyone tell me what component D17 is, it looks like two zenner diodes back-to-front of each other
[21:39] <plugwash> trouble with water is it's annoyinly slow to dry
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[21:40] <plugwash> chris_99, afaict it's an overvoltage protection device
[21:41] <chris_99> you know what it's called?
[21:41] <chris_99> the component
[21:42] <plugwash> googling "SMBJ" seems to bring up results for transiant voltage suppressor diodes
[21:44] <chris_99> yay you're right
[21:44] <chris_99> cheers
[21:44] <chris_99> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transient-voltage-suppression_diode
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