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IRC Log for 2013-06-01

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[0:09] <sayo-> silly question !
[0:09] <sayo-> does Raspbian wheezy comes with ssh by default?
[0:09] <djazz> yes
[0:10] <djazz> enabled
[0:10] <sayo-> great!
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[0:10] <sayo-> I've just received it so I'll try it when I get home. I don't have a monitor near my router tho
[0:10] <djazz> cool :)
[0:10] <sayo-> :D
[0:10] <sayo-> can't wait!
[0:11] <sayo-> I'm afraid it's late already and I won't be able to buy a powersource till tomorrow
[0:11] <sayo-> but hell I'm already happy with my raspi haha
[0:11] <Darkwell> ssh will be there yes
[0:11] <djazz> :D
[0:11] <Darkwell> at first boot you will also get config possibility to enable the ssh daemon
[0:12] <sayo-> ah! so ssh is on only for first boot?
[0:12] <djazz> no
[0:12] <djazz> ssh is always enabled
[0:12] <sayo-> oh ok
[0:12] <djazz> you can use raspi-config if you want to disable it
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[0:12] <Darkwell> no you will have to bootup on a screen and enable it
[0:12] <sayo-> no problem, I'll use it remotely 100% of the time
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[0:13] <djazz> Darkwell: i have never done that, i can SSH just fine
[0:13] <djazz> ;o
[0:13] <Darkwell> hmm
[0:13] <Darkwell> not good
[0:13] <pksato> ssh enbled on 2013-02-09-wheezy-raspbian.zip
[0:13] <sayo-> btw, the lil instructions that come with raspi says "5V 700mA regulated power supply with > MICRO USB CONNECTOR < "
[0:14] <Darkwell> since nmap will tell you if it is a raspberry pi device nd if its recently installed then folks could enter your newdevice before you
[0:14] <djazz> if you're on a lan with many other people
[0:14] <djazz> yes
[0:15] <Darkwell> such as plugin it up direct to your internet
[0:15] <sayo-> but the connector I see is a like a litle rounded plug!
[0:15] <Darkwell> you have either hdmi or
[0:16] <Darkwell> this yellow plug
[0:16] <djazz> power connector is near sd slot
[0:16] <sayo-> there's a black plug aside the yellow one o.O
[0:16] <djazz> thats audio
[0:16] <sayo-> ah !!!!!!!!!!!
[0:16] <djazz> analogue
[0:16] <sayo-> man how silly ^^!!!!!
[0:16] <djazz> :D
[0:16] <sayo-> I can use my amazon charger then
[0:17] <sayo-> amazon kindle* charger
[0:17] <djazz> yeah
[0:17] <sayo-> I was quite surprised they'd ship raspi with those round plugs :P
[0:17] <djazz> why?
[0:17] <djazz> what round plugs? audio and video?
[0:17] <sayo-> for power, I mean
[0:18] <djazz> usb b micro?
[0:18] <pksato> http://www.raspberrypi.org/faqs
[0:18] <djazz> its the most common
[0:18] <sayo-> I mistook the (round) audio jack with the power jack :P
[0:18] <pksato> se diagrans of rpi
[0:18] <sayo-> nevermind, it's great
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[0:19] <sayo-> I also have an usb wifi card
[0:19] <djazz> aha
[0:19] <sayo-> so I may avoid setting my raspi up in my mother's room (where the router is) o.O
[0:19] <djazz> my nano usb wifi works great on the pi
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[0:20] <djazz> anyone want to try watch my pi camera stream? using gstreamer and raspivid
[0:21] <sayo-> do you stream thru http?
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[0:21] <djazz> no, gstreamer
[0:21] <djazz> on a port
[0:21] <djazz> you need the "gst-launch-1.0" command
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[0:21] <sayo-> oh sorry, didn't know that soft
[0:22] <djazz> i want to stream over http
[0:22] <djazz> or rtsp
[0:22] <djazz> but i have no clue on how to do that lag free
[0:22] <sayo-> uhmm idk
[0:22] <djazz> with gstreamer its lagfree and smooth
[0:22] <sayo-> gstreamer provide better codecs than webstreaming?
[0:23] <djazz> idk
[0:23] <djazz> I use this: gst-launch-1.0 fdsrc ! h264parse ! rtph264pay config-interval=1 pt=96 ! gdppay ! tcpserversink ..
[0:23] <djazz> on the pi
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[0:24] <djazz> works much better than using netcat xD
[0:25] <sayo-> I don't have an usb webcam
[0:25] <sayo-> it could be fan to do some surveillance with raspi =P
[0:25] <sayo-> just for the kicks
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[0:25] <djazz> i got the pi camera module
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[0:27] <Darkwell> hehe compiling nfs support for my machine
[0:27] <Darkwell> not the pi
[0:27] <djazz> or I'll just paste the command here
[0:28] <djazz> To watch my pi camera, run this:
[0:28] <djazz> gst-launch-1.0 tcpclientsrc host=djazz.mine.nu port=5000 ! gdpdepay ! rtph264depay ! avdec_h264 ! videoconvert ! autovideosink sync=false
[0:28] <Darkwell> sayo-, install motion
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[0:29] <djazz> nah.. compile mjpg-streamer
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[0:29] <Darkwell> how would that do your "area of interest detection " ?
[0:29] <djazz> ah
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[0:30] <gadgetoid> Play. Tweet your score. Disrupt binary blob apps with the power of the web! http://pi.gadgetoid.com/dots/dots-2-ipad.html
[0:30] <gadgetoid> Wonder if it runs on the Pi… hmm
[0:31] <djazz> anyone joining my stream? i wanna know how much it lags
[0:31] <gadgetoid> I'm joining the land of nod :(
[0:31] <sayo-> gtg
[0:31] <gadgetoid> (but not the GDI)
[0:31] <sayo-> see u guys and ty for the help !
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[0:38] <dextro_> oi
[0:38] <dextro_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Raspberry-Pi-Model-B-CN-Ver-700MHz-512MB-Linux-ARM11-Developemnt-board-mini-PC-/261223435423?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cd2214c9f
[0:38] * Yachtsman (~Yachtsman@173.7.63.178) Quit (Quit: gogo)
[0:38] <dextro_> that a cheap knockoff?
[0:38] <dextro_> best shipping price i can find
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[0:39] <dextro_> funny how they can ship it from china for $7 but these dumb stores in the same city want $20
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[0:42] <taza> A "cheap knockoff" of a $35 board manufactured in China anyway
[0:42] <taza> It looks different from my Pi, but I dunno.
[0:43] * sjzabel (~sjzabel@76.77.154.9) Quit (Quit: sjzabel)
[0:43] <taza> Where are you?
[0:43] <taza> 'cuz if you're in the EU, the markings lacking may pose a problem
[0:44] <dextro_> canada
[0:44] <dextro_> and i dont care about that
[0:44] <dextro_> its for personal use
[0:44] <dextro_> eff it im ordering it
[0:44] <dextro_> paypals got me covered if there is something wrong
[0:44] <dextro_> lol
[0:44] <dextro_> https://github.com/mothran/bunny
[0:44] <taza> As in, in EU, it might stop at the customs 'cuz it doesn't have the CE label
[0:44] <dextro_> really want to try that out :P
[0:45] <taza> I dunno about Canada
[0:45] <ShadowJK> dextro_, weird, that link says $45.99 to me
[0:45] <dextro_> yeah same price as everywhere
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[0:46] <dextro_> except shipping is less than half
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[1:04] <ant_thomas> dextro_ http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/3195
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[1:08] <djazz> im streaming my pi cam with ffmpeg! http://bambuser.com/v/3634297
[1:10] <SpeedEvil> :-)
[1:11] <djazz> 5 fps, 480p, 1 Mb/s
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[1:12] <djazz> /opt/vc/bin/raspivid -o - -fps 5 -hf -w 640 -h 360 -t 10000000 -b 3000000 | ffmpeg -f h264 -r 5 -i - -b:v 1000000 -f flv "rtmp://url"
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[1:17] <mpmc> djazz: Clean your laptop :p
[1:17] <djazz> mhmh
[1:17] <djazz> mpmc: wanna try a lagfree stream?
[1:17] <mpmc> djazz: Erm, why? :p
[1:18] <djazz> i want to see how much it lag over the internet
[1:18] <djazz> i only tried on lan
[1:18] <mpmc> Can try.
[1:18] <djazz> you have gstreamer?
[1:18] <mpmc> I have vlc :p
[1:18] <djazz> gst-launch-1.0
[1:18] <djazz> vlc wont work
[1:18] <mpmc> How come? :p
[1:18] <djazz> dunno, i followed a tutorial
[1:19] <djazz> gst-launch-1.0 will open a window with the stream
[1:19] <mpmc> Whats the url & I'll see I can connect to it :)
[1:19] <sayo-> hey
[1:19] <sayo-> can I connect my raspi to my pc, instead to the router?
[1:19] <djazz> mpmc: gst-launch-1.0 tcpclientsrc host=djazz.mine.nu port=5000 ! gdpdepay ! rtph264depay ! avdec_h264 ! videoconvert ! autovideosink sync=false
[1:20] <djazz> sayo-: yes, if you set up "share connection with other computers" on your pc
[1:20] <sayo-> cool :D
[1:20] <sayo-> done!
[1:21] <djazz> mpmc: try it
[1:21] <mpmc> djazz: I am :p
[1:21] <sayo-> Im connecting my raspi for first time ever, feels like losing virginity :3
[1:21] <djazz> does it work?
[1:21] <sayo-> dunno yet^^
[1:22] <sayo-> does dhcp assign raspi an ip when using this "share connection" feature?
[1:22] <djazz> yes
[1:23] <sayo-> oki
[1:23] <djazz> mpmc: i only see my ip as connected
[1:23] <sayo-> still don't see it on the router's DHCP Clients List
[1:23] <sayo-> I'm going to try nmap to scan for it
[1:23] <mpmc> djazz: My VM has screwed up :p
[1:23] <djazz> sayo-: your pc becomes a router for the pi
[1:24] <sayo-> I don't even know if my raspi booted correctly, I just plugged it in (I installed debian on the microsd)
[1:24] <djazz> heh
[1:24] <sayo-> ahhh!
[1:24] <sayo-> can I see on windows the clients connected to me?
[1:24] <djazz> no idea
[1:24] <sayo-> ok
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[1:27] <sayo-> uhmm weird
[1:27] <sayo-> I can ping my raspi from windows, can't do it from other stations on my network
[1:27] <sayo-> this "share connection" doesn't add raspi to my network
[1:27] <djazz> sayo-: no, it wont
[1:27] <djazz> it will appear as your pc's ip
[1:27] <sayo-> uh!
[1:28] <djazz> but you can access internet from the pi
[1:28] <sayo-> I'll need to connect it to the router from a while
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[1:29] <sayo-> brb
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[1:32] <mpmc> djazz: Doesn't work it dies with data flow error :p
[1:32] <sayo-> I kicked the router's power plug while connecting raspi's ethernet cable^^ ehehe
[1:32] <sayo-> 2 raspberrypi B8-27-EB-89-7E-AC 192.168.1.100 01:58:59
[1:32] <sayo-> yay!!!!! :D
[1:32] <djazz> mpmc: hm weird
[1:32] <djazz> no other errors?
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[1:33] <sayo-> pi@raspberrypi ~ $
[1:33] <sayo-> :D
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[1:33] <mpmc> djazz: streaming task paused reason not linked (-1) :)
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[1:33] <djazz> ;p
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[1:34] <mpmc> Oh well :p
[1:34] <djazz> alright then, time for bed
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[1:34] <sayo-> thanks for your help djazz!
[1:34] <djazz> np
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[1:45] <SpeedEvil> has anyone gotten it streaming at 30fps?
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[2:00] <dagerik> i got audio working
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[2:00] <dagerik> latest omxplayer had errors
[2:00] <dagerik> i rolled back 1 month
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[2:27] <sayo-> hey
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[2:33] <TheNotary> oh why hello
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[2:45] <sayo-> can somebody help me
[2:46] <sayo-> I can't connect to my wifi
[2:46] <sayo-> network
[2:46] <sayo-> I'm not sure my wpa supplicant conf is OK
[2:47] <sayo-> can somebody check this, please? http://pastebin.com/ETV5jJ7x
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[2:54] <sayo-> yayyyyyy !!!!!
[2:54] <sayo-> I did it !!! http://www.codealias.info/technotes/wireless_security_wpa2_with_psk_using_wpa_supplicant_linux_setup
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[3:33] <Firehopper> http://www.collegehumor.com/pictures/gallery/6890629/birds-being-dicks
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[3:34] <JakeSays> gordonDrogon: hey looking over your haloween PIR project breadboard layout, i noticed you have nothing between the PIR signal line and the pi. do you know if the 3.3v control level is a function of the chip that sensor uses, or is it the board itself? the sensor i have is using the same chip, so i'm hoping it handles the output voltage the same way.
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[4:07] <nerdboy> arr
[4:07] <TheNotary> Earlier today, I did a fresh boot into the raspbian OS on my new unit. I did `apt-get install ruby` and then `gem install rails` but the installer encounters an error when compiling some native C code extensions. Does anyone have any insights as to why compiling is different between 'raspbian' and 'debian'? And using Arch Linux ARM produce a more stable outcome?
[4:08] <[Saint]> TheNotary: did you apt-get up{date|grade} as well?
[4:09] <TheNotary> yes
[4:09] <TheNotary> apt-get is working perfectly
[4:09] <[Saint]> It is possible that you have some incompatibilities between various binaries.
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[4:09] <linuxstb> TheNotary: What was the error?
[4:09] <[Saint]> Oh, Hmmm....so, you did update/upgrade.
[4:09] <TheNotary> but the ruby programming language, and it's ability to compile ruby apps with C code seems problematic
[4:09] <[Saint]> Ok then, well...that's that idea out the window.
[4:10] <TheNotary> the error is a standard "Had trouble compiling native C extensions" for a ruby package called 'json'
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[4:10] <[Saint]> Yay for vague error messages.
[4:10] <[Saint]> :)
[4:10] <TheNotary> this might be kind of a niche 'ruby person' question
[4:10] <[Saint]> Maybe you could ask over at #ruby
[4:10] <TheNotary> [Saint]: haha, ikr
[4:11] <TheNotary> I've checked with them but C-extensions are kind of a... thing we don't like to think about cause they're confusing
[4:11] <TheNotary> and they usually just work
[4:12] <TheNotary> what do you guys do with your Raspberries, btw
[4:12] <[Saint]> Without a more specific error message, it is difficult to suggest anything to do.
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[4:13] <TheNotary> [Saint]: It's NP, i'm in the middle of trying two alternative solutions, but the compile time is going very slow so I've been researching the problem and asking around in the mean time
[4:13] <bogusk101> hi thought i'd chime in. :) my raspberry pi is kinda a media center right now but mainly a learning tool for me. i just started learning stuff with linux
[4:14] <TheNotary> that sounds cool, have you learned about SSH yet bogusk101?
[4:14] <nerdboy> TheNotary: i'm assuming you have build-essential and the other basic stuff installed as well?
[4:14] <TheNotary> windows -> putty -> sshd (on a debian system) was my first exposure to linux
[4:15] <SgrA> Mine runs several services, including hostapd with a cheap WiFi adapter for a cheap WiFi solution, pdnsd, IRC, and downloads large stuff. It runs Arch Linux.
[4:15] <linuxstb> TheNotary: I've never used ruby, but is there some kind of verbose installation option or a log file that may actually tell you the error?
[4:15] <bogusk101> i sure have. i just SSHed in from my mac last night and thought it was the greatest thing. showed my brother and he seemed very uninterested. like anyone would hehe
[4:15] <[Saint]> I use mine for various things: I have what I call a "Piblet" - a Raspberrypi with a 10" 5-point multi-touch capacitive touchscreen and a 4-port USB hub strapped together with a lot of velcro; I have one unit that allows me to power up/down my fileserver and do remote forced reboots; I have one as a media center; and I have one I have just sitting on my desk to poke at the occasional project with.
[4:15] <TheNotary> nerdboy: I think so, if that comes along as a dependency with git-core, but let me check in ctrl + alt + f2 to be sure
[4:15] <nerdboy> build-essential is the primary toolchain
[4:16] <[Saint]> I'm quite proud of my "Piblet", actually. I should put up some photos of the build process and the completed Piblet one day soon...
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[4:17] <TheNotary> [Saint]: that sounds extreme, do you have pics of it online anywhere?
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[4:17] <TheNotary> when you get them definately post us
[4:17] <bogusk101> you should definitely post something soon. sounds cool
[4:18] <nerdboy> i guess mine would be a "pimp3" then...
[4:19] <[Saint]> I wanbt to get the 7" screen from the same manufacturer and make a "Piblet Mini" :)
[4:19] <Firehopper> http://www.flickr.com/photos/firehopper/8571797873/ < saint :)
[4:19] <nerdboy> what about a 4" screen?
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[4:20] <nerdboy> u-piblet?
[4:20] <[Saint]> Firehopper: nice!
[4:20] <[Saint]> ...laptop screen?
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[4:20] <[Saint]> nerdboy: Heh, lol.
[4:21] <[Saint]> Here is the screen I am using, it seems expensive, but keep in mind this thing is 100% plug&play with the Raspberrypi. No configuration needed at all: http://www.chalk-elec.com/?page_id=1280#!/~/product/category=3094861&id=14647624
[4:22] <TheNotary> Firehopper: sweet rig! You're adding fans to it?
[4:22] <Firehopper> soon :)
[4:22] <[Saint]> You only need a keyboard for the first boot, and only because it boots into raspi-config on thew first bot.
[4:22] <Firehopper> I have added heatsinks to the lcd controller and the main chips on the pi
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[4:22] <[Saint]> After that, its sweet, sweet touchscreeny goodness.
[4:22] <Firehopper> need one more heatshink for the regulator on the pi
[4:23] <Firehopper> I need to get me a 17" touchscreen yet
[4:23] <[Saint]> The coolest thing about that touchscreen is you only need one power supply, too. The touchscreen has its own power supply, and then it backpowers the pi over USB.
[4:24] <[Saint]> The price is expensive, true. However, I recommend this product.
[4:24] <[Saint]> ...and I rarely recommend anything.
[4:25] <TheNotary> Firehopper: How did you mount to the wood? Are you using the two screw holes? I was just at the H/W store looking for a way to do it but they were already closed
[4:26] <[Saint]> It doesn't mention it in the description, but the screen comes with a couple of matte screen protectors too, for those that despise glossy touchscreens.
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[4:27] <Firehopper> I have the pi in the case bottom the pi came with, and there is two screw holes on the bottom of that
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[4:29] * [Saint] idly wonders how deep you can nest virtual machines...
[4:29] <TheNotary> ah, I bought my case separate, a red trasparent thing with plastic clips that I find 'unreliable'
[4:29] <[Saint]> I like PiBow's cases with the VESA mount layer.
[4:30] <TheNotary> [Saint]: VMs can nest infinitely, they're like turtles in this respect
[4:30] <TheNotary> ;)
[4:30] <[Saint]> Virtual Machines all the way down...
[4:31] <JakeSays> dang. i just found the coolest little hard drive. unfortunately its IDE :(
[4:32] <TheNotary> I've been planning an all wood case for my unit. I'd like to gift it to a 3.4yr old nephew of mine for Christmas. He's really good at plugging in the modded xbox and wii already, and can operate an arcade stick in an NES game called "kickle Cubicle"
[4:32] <[Saint]> JakeSays: get an IDE->USB adapter.
[4:32] <[Saint]> (google it)
[4:33] <TheNotary> I need a way of making it so his fingers can't get at the electrical stuff, and the cords need to be tied off inside so they can never be unplugged from the unit
[4:33] <JakeSays> [Saint]: i have one, but this drive has a smaller than normal connector
[4:33] <[Saint]> Aha.
[4:34] <JakeSays> 1.8"
[4:34] <JakeSays> http://www.hgst.com/tech/techlib.nsf/techdocs/4B0BCB1DB47911A386256D5500494CDC/$file/HGSTTravelstarC4K40.PDF
[4:35] <JakeSays> well, ata-5 - i think thats ide.
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[4:40] <JakeSays> ohh hmm. i have an adapter for this somewhere
[4:40] * JakeSays has WAY too much junk
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[4:43] <TheNotary> Have you guys heard about the new Ubuntu Netflix Install Path? http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/opensource/how-to-get-netflix-streaming-on-ubuntu-1210/4019
[4:43] <TheNotary> And has there been anywork to get it operational in raspberry, and is raspberry's spec capable of handling that type of work?
[4:44] <TheNotary> Looks like the Ubuntu path still uses silverlight through wine which has performance penalties I believe
[4:46] <linuxstb> TheNotary: Wine won't run on the Pi.
[4:46] <JakeSays> linuxstb: why not?
[4:47] <JakeSays> well, wine for his purpose wouldnt
[4:47] <shiftplusone> *wine won't run x86 windows applications without qemu.
[4:47] <JakeSays> right
[4:47] <TheNotary> oh I see
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[4:48] <JakeSays> ohh. i found an old usb gps receiver
[4:48] <shiftplusone> recompiled for arm is another matter though. I don't know if anyone got that working or if anyone got wine and qemu working together on the pi though... the wine arm wiki page seems to imply it's not too tricky now.
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[4:53] <TheNotary> I've also been reading up on Android on the Raspberry Pi, that could be a pretty straightforward gateway for RP -> netflix
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[4:54] <shiftplusone> Have you got up to the part about how it doesn't work too well at all yet? =(
[4:55] <TheNotary> haha, yeah, looks like broadcom isn't releasing vital information that would make the program successful? I'm having trouble narrowing down a definitive information thread regarding the project, just a ton of references to it
[4:56] <shiftplusone> afaik broadcom has been working on their own android build but they have either found that they don't have the time to get it to a presentable state or they are just not releasing it yet. I suspect their priorities changed.
[5:00] <TheNotary> I've been following Netflix somewhat casually. I've noted that Netflix it's more accurate to say that Netflix is "blacklisting" linux PCs, rather than having "compatibility problems due to their choice of using silverlight". Linux is prohibited, yet certain devices that are based on linux are whitelisted and granted DRM codecs or something like that. The CEO of netflix is on the board of directors at M$.
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[5:00] <TheNotary> maybe he helped with broadcom's priorities, hehe
[5:01] <[Saint]> At the end of the day, releasing Android (after getting it past a usable state {after getting it to said usable state that we've seen}, to a release-ready state) costs Broadcomm developer time, and gains them nothing.
[5:01] <[Saint]> Well, it gains them credit with the FOSS community, but, that isn't a workable currency ;)
[5:01] <TheNotary> true
[5:02] <[Saint]> I suspect their priorities are where the dollars are.
[5:02] <[Saint]> They are a business, after all.
[5:02] <nerdboy> http://www.gentoogeek.org/image_archive/home_hardware/rpi-2.jpg/view <= this display is really too small for my eyes these days
[5:03] <nerdboy> maybe with my glasses...
[5:03] <shiftplusone> How about this arcade then? http://meuk.spritesserver.nl/foto/foto/misc15/IMG_0909_mod.JPG
[5:03] <nerdboy> but the whole point of empcd was remote control, so a display is optional
[5:03] <[Saint]> I can hardly read some of the text on my SGS4
[5:04] <[Saint]> ...let alone that screen, lol ;)
[5:04] <TheNotary> I feel like OSS and corporations often clash at certain boundaries, such as this one right here. Communities have the potention to outperform the dollar, but it's always a toss up
[5:04] <TheNotary> nerdboy: ouch, I couldn't use that to look at a file structure. Maybe big buttons, 4 per page, that would be a fun terminal
[5:05] <nerdboy> it's pretty much a "hey, look it actually works" thing...
[5:05] <TheNotary> oh, is that a camera's LCD screen or something?
[5:05] <TheNotary> I can't tell where that h/w is from
[5:06] <nerdboy> it's a cheap-ass media player
[5:07] <nerdboy> has a camera and a/v in/out
[5:08] <JakeSays> nerdboy: i have one almost exactly like that
[5:08] <JakeSays> nerdboy: just finished taking it apart
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[5:12] <TheNotary> woot! Ruby finally compiled from source! Time to test out some more commands and get rockin
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[5:13] <TheNotary> I'm goona have so freaking much fun with this setup
[5:14] <TheNotary> I've got Raspberry Pi + Arduino and my fist task will be to write a web app that works as a door chime when someone passes in front of a sensor
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[5:20] <TheNotary> seems like I'm not getting the compiling errors I had earlier while using the official ruby package. I should probably report this as a bug
[5:20] <youlysses> So would it be right to assume that the speed boost granted by a project dedicated to running the RPi as a mediacenter, like OpenElec or Raspbmc wouldn't be much more than that of something like Archlinux's arm port, for such a task?
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[5:25] <TheNotary> ^ Good question. Earlier I was wondering about Arch Linux ARM's performance too compared to say, some of the other distros that mention "Raspbian optimised" on the downloads page
[5:26] <shiftplusone> I would not expect there to be much of a difference between openelec (as bare as you can get) and xbmc running on archlinux without anything else to interfere. There may be tricks the raspbmc and openelec folks use to speed things up, but I don't see why you couldn't apply those on arch as well.
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[5:32] <shiftplusone> TheNotary, *'raspberry pi optimized'?
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[5:33] <shiftplusone> (Raspbian is a distro, so that didn't make much sense)
[5:33] <TheNotary> "It�s a reference root filesystem from Alex and Dom, based on the Raspbian optimised version of Debian, and containing LXDE, Midori," http://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads
[5:34] <nerdboy> other than overclocking, it's really hardfloat vs softfloat
[5:34] <TheNotary> I pulled it crudely out of context, my bad
[5:34] <TheNotary> but still begs the question, "what is optimized exactly"
[5:34] <nerdboy> if everything is compiled against hard/vfp it'll be much faster
[5:35] <shiftplusone> TheNotary, compared to Arch, nothing, since arch is also HF.
[5:35] <nerdboy> like i said, hardfloat, plus the standard optimization cflags
[5:35] <sraue> *i think* a source based distro like openelec gives you more control how to install the system then a distro which uses a packagemanager, i have seen "minimal XYZ installs" which contains much unneeded stuff (man files, xorg dependencies, even if xorg is not installed/used, development stuff, etc...), also you can optimize a system more if you have control over the used *FLAGS and with the possibility to control the usage from static/shared librarys
[5:35] <shiftplusone> But there are a few bits which are in raspbian that aren't in arch by default (aiui). The memcpy routines being an example.
[5:35] <nerdboy> my gentoo build is hardfloat, along with openembedded
[5:36] <nerdboy> i thought wheezy was as well
[5:36] <nerdboy> at least the one i bootstrapped on efikamx is
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[5:37] <JakeSays> there is an armel wheezy but i dont think its kept current
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[5:41] <TheNotary> these are helpful facts to know
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[5:43] <nerdboy> there are a few other tricks to speed things up, eg, linker options, compressed ram swap, etc
[5:43] <TheNotary> yeah there are two wheezy's hard/soft the soft is for java runtime purposes
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[5:43] <nerdboy> but mostly floatabi and cflags will get you the most bang for the buck
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[5:44] <nerdboy> not so say that slow disk i/o isn't a painful bottleneck no matter how much other things are optimized...
[5:44] <nerdboy> s/so/to/
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[5:50] <nerdboy> sraue: you're right in terms of flexibility, optimization, etc
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[5:51] <shiftplusone> Arch doesn't tend to pull in more than you need.
[5:51] <shiftplusone> man files aren't exactly going to slow xbmc down anyway
[5:52] <nerdboy> arch i haven't tried yet, although i use their docs on occasion
[5:53] <nerdboy> mainly gentoo, on pretty much everything
[5:53] <TheNotary> i hate debian docs, they're so cryptic in places
[5:53] <nerdboy> plus some debian and oe on arm
[5:54] <shiftplusone> nerdboy, How do you cope with the compile time on the pi? Do you cross compile, use distcc or just compile straight on the pi?
[5:54] <nerdboy> even a little debian x86 now and then...
[5:54] <nerdboy> all of the above, actually
[5:54] <TheNotary> What should a Raspberry Pi fanatic use to benchmark SD performance? (i've got a wheezy distro in front of me right now)
[5:54] <nerdboy> that's one of the cool things about yocto/oe
[5:55] <nerdboy> builds the whole image in a couple of hours on a decent amd64 box
[5:55] <shiftplusone> TheNotary, iozone
[5:56] <nerdboy> although it did take about 3 weeks to "craft" the image and build up the pi recipe layer
[5:56] <shiftplusone> TheNotary, https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/175702/shiftplusone_sd_speed_test_with_iozone.png
[5:56] <shiftplusone> nerdboy, how long would it have taken you if you just wanted a minimal busybox environment?
[5:56] <TheNotary> shiftplusone: thanks
[5:57] <nerdboy> that recipe was already there, but it was basically a console and nothing else
[5:57] <shiftplusone> TheNotary, might be overkill though. If you just want to get a rough a idea, a bit of dd is fine.
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[5:57] <nerdboy> so about 3 hours from "git clone" to dd image
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[5:58] <TheNotary> shiftplusone: apt-get iozone doesn't show up anything, did you wget and compile from source?
[5:58] <shiftplusone> yup
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[5:59] <nerdboy> https://github.com/sarnold/meta-raspberrypi <= follow the readme and you can build the minimal images right away
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[5:59] <nerdboy> *the upstream readme
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[5:59] <nerdboy> my cheesy doc is the other url...
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[6:10] <JakeSays> nerdboy: so whats that about? building custom kernels for the pi?
[6:10] <shiftplusone> more like a custom distro
[6:10] <JakeSays> ah ok. cool
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[6:11] <JakeSays> that could be interesting
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[6:12] <nerdboy> it's a project...
[6:12] <shiftplusone> Yup, days of pull-your-hair-out fun! =D
[6:12] <nerdboy> you could certainly try the xfce image or the qt-demo image
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[6:13] <nerdboy> i was shooting for fast and light so i stuck with straight openbox and a few apps
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[6:17] <JakeSays> so if one wanted to build their own kernel with a custom userland (sort of an android thing) oe would be a good place to start?
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[6:17] <shiftplusone> To build your own kernel you don't need any special tools. Yocto is a good start for a custom rootfs though.
[6:18] <shiftplusone> buildroot is another project to look at
[6:18] <JakeSays> ah ok
[6:18] <chithead> it also depends on how custom your userland should be. bionic libc with netbsd userland? this will be difficult with oe even
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[6:20] <JakeSays> chithead: no idea really. always wanted to explore that area further. i've often wondered where the kernel ended and the 'userland' started
[6:21] <chithead> well if you want to do it like android, then you will have the mentioned userland parts
[6:21] <chithead> toolchain (libc, binutils, compiler) is part of userland already
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[6:24] <JakeSays> so it sounds like libc is the boundary.
[6:24] <JakeSays> i mean, if you build just a kernel and boot it, do you see anything?
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[6:26] <timmmaaaayyy> can someone help me figure out how i'd say half a minute in a script like this: http://pastebin.com/7cawWwKt
[6:27] <shiftplusone> JakeSays, you would see it initializing the hardware, then trying to find a rootfs and fail.
[6:28] <shiftplusone> JakeSays, think of the kernel as just a thing that provides the core functions and abstracts the hardware... you should never see it, it's just something used by the programs and it manages memory allocation and all that magic. That's the oversimplified and probably wrong version, but it should help.
[6:28] <JakeSays> right
[6:28] <shiftplusone> Then it runs init which does the rest
[6:28] <JakeSays> i understand the concept (i've done a lot of kernel work on windows) just trying to map that to linux
[6:29] <nerdboy> JakeSays: maybe start with building a custom wheezy kernel and initramfs
[6:29] <nerdboy> you don't strictly need the latter, so maybe kust the kernel
[6:29] <JakeSays> this could be an excellent way to put my 2nd pi to use
[6:30] <shiftplusone> Or if you really want to get to the bottom of it, try linux from scratch in a VM.
[6:30] <shiftplusone> A gentoo install might be a good idea
[6:30] <JakeSays> hmm.
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[6:30] <nerdboy> gentoo is about the same learning experience, just with better tools...
[6:31] <sraue> you can also use OpenELEC and change what you need (replace XBMC with XYZ, remove/add unneeded stuff...) it has already full RPi support (except the xorg driver is missing)
[6:31] <JakeSays> that sounds like an excellent idea
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[6:33] <nerdboy> both yocto and gentoo have excellent docs
[6:34] <nerdboy> lfs docs are alittle weird, and i have no idea what OpenELEC is...
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[6:35] <sraue> nerdboy, its basically a buildsystem like openembedded/yocto/buildroot, with the goal to build a embedded XBMC distro
[6:35] <sraue> its shell based not Makefile based like buildroot
[6:36] <sraue> it creates a own toolchain with gcc, binutils, eglibc... and uses this to build the whole distro from scratch
[6:36] <JakeSays> i read an article recently about someone running linux on an 8bit soc.
[6:36] <sraue> https://github.com/OpenELEC/OpenELEC.tv
[6:36] <shiftplusone> JakeSays, didn't it take weeks to boot?
[6:37] <JakeSays> shiftplusone: lol yeah.
[6:38] <sraue> nerdboy, https://github.com/OpenELEC/OpenELEC.tv/blob/master/scripts/image thats the main install script which can be adapted, or/and setup with project folders (https://github.com/OpenELEC/OpenELEC.tv/tree/master/projects)
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[6:41] <nerdboy> so i went to look at the docs... and there aren't any
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[6:49] <Barvinok> hi all. I use custom-built kernel and Gentoo distro. It works generally well, except it kernel-panics when i wget something over IPv6, and works good if I wget the same over IPv4. I'm stunned.
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[8:08] <timmmaaaayyy> anyone know what this is all about? http://pastebin.com/47hi08Sa
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[8:14] <BoomerET> Odd, your Pi doesn't want to run git?
[8:15] <ParkerR> BoomerET: It's not installing beause there is a broken package in his downloads I think. Sugested a possible fix in #raspbian
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[8:15] <BoomerET> What's #raspbian?
[8:16] <ParkerR> Another IRC channel for the Raspbian distor
[8:16] <ParkerR> *distro
[8:16] <BoomerET> Ahh, ok.
[8:16] <BoomerET> I love this, so many flavors to choose from :)
[8:16] <BoomerET> Need more SD cards <grin>
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[8:37] <gordonDrogon> JakeSays, ping ?
[8:38] <gordonDrogon> JakeSays, in-case you get this - that sensor runs off 5v and has 3.3v output!
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[8:44] <Peemo> Hello :)
[8:45] <brianiac> Hi peemo!
[8:46] <brianiac> Day 3 with the Pi?
[8:46] <Peemo> Yes!
[8:46] <Peemo> In love.
[8:47] <Peemo> Went to the electronics store today to buy some stacking heads and a switch.
[8:47] <brianiac> Got a good charger for it?
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[8:47] <Peemo> Going to use my buddies soldering iron and put a reset / wake up button on the p6.
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[8:48] <Peemo> I think my charger is good yes, but I'm a little confused with my powered USB hub.
[8:48] <brianiac> P6?
[8:48] <Peemo> P6 header
[8:48] <Peemo> "A reset button can be attached to the P6 header, with which the Pi can be reset. Momentarily shorting the two pins of P6 together will cause a soft reset of the CPU (which can also 'wake' the Pi from halt/shutdown state)."
[8:49] <brianiac> I'll have to look that up.
[8:49] <Peemo> I'm OCD with shutting down my Pi when I'm finished with it but had no way to wake it.
[8:49] <brianiac> sudo shutdown -h now is safe.
[8:49] <Peemo> Of course, but how do u wake it up?
[8:49] <ParkerR> Or sudo halt
[8:50] <ParkerR> Pull power or P6
[8:50] <brianiac> plug it in
[8:50] <Peemo> Right.
[8:50] <ParkerR> Pulling power from halted state is not going to mess anything up
[8:50] <Peemo> Oh!
[8:50] <Peemo> I thought eventually it might.
[8:50] <ParkerR> No
[8:50] <Peemo> Still having a quick button to push is pretty cool instead of unplugging and plugging back in.
[8:50] <ParkerR> It's perfectly fine to pull power from halt. That is the Pi's off mode
[8:51] <Peemo> Just a pain for my setup.
[8:51] <ParkerR> Peemo, Yeah
[8:51] <brianiac> what about open files, etc. in OS
[8:51] <Peemo> Open files with the terminal line?
[8:51] <ParkerR> If it's halted there aren't any
[8:51] <brianiac> Cool...
[8:52] <Peemo> Oh. lol. I see.
[8:52] <Peemo> Ok so tell me guys.
[8:52] <Peemo> My powered USB hub.
[8:52] <brianiac> My Pi rebooted itself the other morning. What log file should I check?
[8:52] <Peemo> Cheapo one from China town here in Toronto, can't even find it online.
[8:52] <Peemo> I was told that the powered USB could actually power the Pi.
[8:53] <BoomerET> brianiac, have you looked in /var/log/messages?
[8:53] <ParkerR> Peemo, That is a feature of the Model B rev 2
[8:53] <ParkerR> If the USB hub backpowers
[8:53] <Peemo> However if I remove my power plug it will shut off everytime
[8:53] <BoomerET> Peemo, yes, that's what I do.
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[8:53] <brianiac> I was checking syslog
[8:53] <ParkerR> Peemo, Most hubs dont backpower and the ones that do really shouldnt
[8:53] <Peemo> What is the command to check which model you have exactly?
[8:54] <ParkerR> But the B rev 2 takes adavntage of that and can power
[8:54] <brianiac> I will check var/log/messages
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[8:54] <ParkerR> Peemo, Do you have two USB ports and holes on the board?
[8:54] <Peemo> Ok so how come if I unplug my powered USB hub it still runs perfectly fine? Is it sucking power from the Pi?
[8:54] <Peemo> I have 2 usb ports yes.
[8:54] <Peemo> Holes I'm not sure I will have to check.
[8:55] <ParkerR> Mounting holes
[8:55] <Peemo> Does anyone actually use the mounting holes?
[8:55] <ParkerR> "<Peemo> Ok so how come if I unplug my powered USB hub it still runs perfectly fine? Is it sucking power from the Pi?" Is micro USB power still plugged in
[8:55] <ParkerR> Peemo, Some cases do
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[8:56] <Peemo> ParkerR: Plugged into where?
[8:56] <ParkerR> The micro USB power plug...
[8:56] <brianiac> What do you want to connect to hub?
[8:56] <ParkerR> On the boad
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[8:57] <Peemo> I have a powered USB hub but it seems to work without plugging any power into it and it just using the Pi's power or something.. thoughts?
[8:57] <ParkerR> Peemo, Oh I read your comment right this time. Yes its pulling power from the Pi and now the external hib power
[8:57] <Peemo> Basically I want to know if it's fine for me to do it like that or if I should be plugging it in as well.
[8:57] <ParkerR> If you unplug the external power from the hub
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[8:57] <Peemo> Cool
[8:58] <ParkerR> Peemo, If it runs fine wohtout external hb power you dont neccessarily need it
[8:58] <ParkerR> But its safer to have that just in case
[8:58] <Peemo> So maybe if i plugged something big into the usb it would need the second power supply?
[8:58] <ParkerR> Yeah
[8:58] <Peemo> Ok I was actually worried of the opposite and sending too much power to the pi
[8:59] <brianiac> Pi requires around .7 amp, a lot of cellphone chargers don't do that. Yhe hub removes the power demands from your peripherals.
[8:59] <Peemo> If I'm going to run say a 3tb external HD through my USB hub there is a chance that I will have the Pi powered, the hub powered and the HD powered?
[8:59] <Peemo> Like I could have to plug 3 things in at once?
[8:59] <brianiac> It won't start if it gets power from pi alone
[9:00] <ParkerR> If the hard drive requires external by itself, maybe
[9:00] <nerdboy> yeah, unless your hd is bus-powered
[9:00] <Peemo> Thanks fellas!
[9:00] <Peemo> What's a good IRC program to use on the Pi?
[9:00] <nerdboy> i have one that's bus-powered but only with the shortie cable
[9:00] <ParkerR> Peemo, weechat-curses for cli or xchat for gui
[9:00] <rymate1234> Peemo: irssi
[9:01] <nerdboy> and another one that always needs its own external power
[9:01] <rymate1234> Weechat six
[9:01] <rymate1234> *suxx
[9:01] <ParkerR> rymate1234, How so?
[9:01] <ParkerR> http://i.minus.com/iqEIix4yvoVUN.png
[9:01] <rymate1234> I just prefer irssi over weechat
[9:02] <rymate1234> Well
[9:02] <rymate1234> Uh
[9:02] <rymate1234> Didn't know you could do that
[9:02] <brianiac> What ever you do, check Tp1 and Tp2 to see if you have sufficient power with everything running. at least 4.75 volts
[9:02] <Peemo> Oh I didn't know you could.
[9:03] <Peemo> Command?
[9:03] <ParkerR> rymate1234, It's using this script in ~/.weechat/perl/autoload/ http://www.weechat.org/scripts/source/buffers.pl.html/
[9:03] <ParkerR> Peemo, Multimater
[9:03] <ParkerR> And checking TP1 to TP2 on the board
[9:03] <rymate1234> ParkerR: Will have to try it tonight
[9:03] <brianiac> Weechat looks cool..
[9:04] <ParkerR> And it also respinds to mouse with /miuse enable
[9:04] <ParkerR> *responds
[9:04] <ParkerR> * /mouse enable
[9:04] <ParkerR> So I can click the channel, scroll the chat, and click and scroll users
[9:04] <brianiac> Pi cobbler is good soldering project, if you haven't done much yet. Makes working on breadboard easier
[9:05] <rymate1234> ParkerR: Brb denouncing irssi
[9:05] <Peemo> Will any breadboard do?
[9:06] <ParkerR> Haha
[9:06] <brianiac> Sure, but look at the size the tutorial is using.
[9:06] <Peemo> I was looking at the wall of breadboards today at the store.
[9:06] <Peemo> Everytime I go in there I notice new stuff.
[9:07] <Peemo> It's honestly intimidating.
[9:07] <Peemo> The guy who owns the store does not want to help me at all.
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[9:07] <Peemo> Well he will point me in the right direction to the product but clearly doesn't want to chat.
[9:07] <brianiac> He probably doesn't know.
[9:08] <Peemo> Never thought of that.
[9:08] <brianiac> Check Adafruit site good tutorials, very detailed.
[9:08] <brianiac> Will support their products in forums
[9:09] <Peemo> Will do.
[9:09] <brianiac> BTW, breadboards have the same hole spacing, no matter the size.
[9:09] <Peemo> I'm dying to talk to someone about RetroPie / RetroArch.
[9:10] <Peemo> I've got two USB controllers coming in the mail and I currently have 1 crappy USB controller.
[9:10] <Peemo> I have managed to set the keyboard or the controller to play the games.
[9:10] <brianiac> I'm using wheezy, I did a kernel update to eliminate the pop in audio when I use aplay or espeak
[9:11] <Peemo> However I want to play 2 player with my roommate now.
[9:11] <Peemo> SO I need to set the keyboard to be a player and the controller to be the other player.
[9:11] <brianiac> I'll check out retropie, etc.
[9:11] <Peemo> This is making my brain spin and isn't working how I would think it should.
[9:12] <brianiac> Get a safe charger connected to Pi first, or your SD will destroy itself
[9:12] <Peemo> I can only get it so that both the keyboard and the controller are player 1.
[9:13] <brianiac> Over .7 amp rating, 4.75 volts TP1 and TP2
[9:14] <Peemo> I don't know what this TP1 and TP2 mean.
[9:14] <ParkerR> Peemo, http://elinux.org/images/thumb/d/d1/RPI_Test_Points.JPG/400px-RPI_Test_Points.JPG
[9:15] <Peemo> OH, I thought you meant you use a command to test it.
[9:15] <Peemo> You are really testing it with a device?
[9:15] <ParkerR> Ys
[9:15] <brianiac> Multimeter.
[9:15] <Peemo> I think I know now, my buddy has one.
[9:15] <ParkerR> That's why I said multimeter :P
[9:16] <Peemo> My charger is safe! But I will test it for sure!
[9:16] <brianiac> And have your peripherals connected, to see if they pull down the voltage too much.
[9:16] <Peemo> True.
[9:17] <Peemo> Low voltage can hurt it or only high?
[9:18] <brianiac> Low volts hurt it.
[9:18] <brianiac> Most usb chargers will never go too high
[9:18] <Peemo> Ok.
[9:18] <Peemo> Over .7 but below what?
[9:19] <brianiac> Kindle chargers are powerful enough.
[9:19] <Peemo> and 4.75 exactly or just close to it?
[9:19] <brianiac> Adafruit has one charger for $6
[9:19] <Peemo> I'm curious to see the difference in readings with my peripherals connected
[9:19] <brianiac> No lower than 4.75
[9:19] <ParkerR> Peemo, As long as it's above 4.75
[9:20] <Peemo> Right on.
[9:20] <ParkerR> Funnily enough my Pi runs consistently on lower than 4.75 -_-
[9:20] <Peemo> Come on now Parker
[9:20] <brianiac> My personal survey on cellphone chargers is more than half will be under 4.75 without peripherals
[9:21] <Peemo> Hey are the stacking heads for the breadboard the same as the ones for thr p6 header?
[9:21] <ParkerR> Peemo, It's weird. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcpQktqYbA4
[9:21] <ParkerR> Peemo, Should be the same size and distance
[9:22] <Peemo> How does he adjust the power like that? Is he or is it just jumping?
[9:22] <ParkerR> He is me and it's just flucuating
[9:23] <ParkerR> *fluxuating
[9:23] <ParkerR> I give up on spelling
[9:23] <Peemo> Oh hello there!
[9:23] <ParkerR> *fluctuating
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[9:25] <brianiac> Rumor is under 4.75 can lead to SD card corruption.
[9:26] <Peemo> Which means ur computer could get messed up or it can break your SD card for good?
[9:26] <brianiac> corrupted file system
[9:27] <brianiac> For me, $6 was worth it.
[9:27] <Peemo> SD card corruption is easily fixable with wiping it and putting on the OS again or no?
[9:27] <brianiac> Yup.
[9:27] <brianiac> I back up my SD card images periodically
[9:27] <Peemo> I bought a good power supply meant for the Pi, I think I'm good I'm just curious the readings that will come out of it.
[9:28] <Peemo> Can you do that just by dragging the files or do you need to use a writer like writing the OS?
[9:28] <brianiac> I have a google tablet, it's charger was powerful
[9:28] <ParkerR> Even my good power supplies it doesnt saty above 4.75 for long. Think I might have done something to the Pi
[9:28] <ParkerR> *stay
[9:28] <brianiac> Kindle 4.9 volts with short cable.
[9:28] <Peemo> Oh hmm weird.
[9:29] <brianiac> Some Samsung phone chargers, 5.0 Volts.
[9:29] <ParkerR> Kindle is 4.9 at 0.8A
[9:29] <Peemo> SO I should have just bought a tiny little 2 head button that I could just solder right into the board but I ended up buying something like this: http://www.gremlinsolutions.co.uk/products/sspb2.htm
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[9:30] <ParkerR> Peemo, Any momentary push button would suffice
[9:30] <Peemo> There are some weird things like MAX 3V or something on the package, I will write it out in a second. But I want to know is this button not meant for what I'm doing or could I still wire it up and use it?
[9:30] <ParkerR> Oh thats fine
[9:30] <Peemo> YESSS
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[9:30] <ParkerR> The Pi (afaik) isnt sending 3 volts across the P6
[9:30] <Peemo> Best news ever.
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[9:32] <Peemo> Could I put the multimeter on the p6 and test?
[9:32] <Peemo> VERY new to electronics, scared to fry my stuff or zap myself.
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[9:33] <brianiac> The button won't fry
[9:33] <brianiac> probably less than 15 ma over those pins
[9:34] <Peemo> that button would be fine for the GPIO or whatever its called?
[9:34] <gildean> Peemo: why do you want to solder the button straight onto the board?
[9:35] <gildean> Peemo: yes, but with the gpio you can actually fry the pi, if you connect the wrong pins
[9:35] <brianiac> As long as you connect to the right pins.
[9:35] <Peemo> gildean: I actually want to have the button hanging off the board by wires not right on the board, if that's what you mean.
[9:36] <gildean> Peemo: yeah, i thought you wanted to drill it right into the pcb
[9:36] <brianiac> Try "Getting Started with Raspberry PI" ebook, oreilly
[9:36] <Peemo> gildean: I'm doing it so I have a wake up button when I halt or shutdown... also a reset button if i ever manage to freeze it or something.
[9:36] <ParkerR> gildean, Haha
[9:37] <Peemo> I have the Getting Started with Raspberry Pi
[9:37] <Peemo> Also Make: Electronics or something.
[9:37] <brianiac> Well, gotta go. Thanks for weechat, the halt stuff, etc.!
[9:38] <ParkerR> Heh night
[9:38] <Peemo> But I haven't read too much yet, I jumped right into RetroPie, but I should have learned Linux / the GPIO a bit.
[9:38] <Peemo> Take care brianiac!
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[9:39] <Peemo> I'm out as well, take care folks.
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[9:41] <gordonDrogon> morning.
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[9:43] <ParkerR> Morning
[9:44] <gildean> morning
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[10:08] <gordonDrogon> it's a nice relaxing saturday morning here.
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[10:10] <nid0> its not here :(
[10:11] <nid0> did my back in yesterday evening, been unwillingly awake all night :<
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[10:25] <gordonDrogon> oops.
[10:25] <gordonDrogon> I've always been careful with my back and knees - but then I did do a lot of skydiving onceuponatime...
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[11:41] <Dev0n> hey, is active-backup bonding of wlan and eth possible on the rpi?
[11:41] <SpeedEvil> sure
[11:41] <SpeedEvil> like with any other Linux system
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[11:44] <Dev0n> hum SpeedEvil, I've been trying to get it working but having trouble getting the wlan to bond
[11:44] <Dev0n> does this interface file look ok? https://gist.github.com/anonymous/1c4ef5275cd5229cd00a
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[11:45] <Dev0n> cat /proc/net/bonding/bond0 only shoes the eth0 slave and no wlan
[11:45] <Dev0n> shows*
[11:46] <Dev0n> I have bonding and mii in /etc/modules and an alias for bond0 in /etc/modprobe.d/bonding.conf
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[11:46] <Dev0n> I guess I should really be asking this question in #networking since it isn't RPi specific
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[11:55] <gadgetoid> Anyone heading to Norwich rpi this morning!?
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[12:08] <gordonDrogon> bit too far )-:
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[12:11] <nid0> bit too didnt know about it :(
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[12:16] <gadgetoid> Hahaha drat!
[12:16] <gadgetoid> Bit too 20 feet away
[12:17] <gadgetoid> Gonna have to go to something on Cambridge soon, this dark corner of the world is a bit quiet!
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[12:32] <ozzzy> morning my droogs
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[12:39] <steve_rox> what the hell is a droogs
[12:39] <gordonDrogon> a made-up word?
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[12:40] <Chaz6> a bro
[12:40] <Chaz6> members of a gang
[12:40] <gordonDrogon> bit like drogon then - however I found out that drogon is slang for drugs in some places - drogas is Spanish I think.
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[12:41] <ozzzy> gordonDrogon: haven't seen or read A Clockwork Orange?
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[12:41] <gordonDrogon> nope.
[12:41] <ozzzy> good movie if you're into a bit of the ultraviolence
[12:41] <gordonDrogon> just never got round to it.
[12:41] <Chaz6> and some in out
[12:41] <shiftplusone> A good movie regardless of what you're into
[12:42] <ozzzy> anyway... I THINK droogs is from Russian druga (friends) or something
[12:42] <ozzzy> yep... a bit of the old in and out
[12:42] <shiftplusone> ozzzy, nope, it's pretty much direct russian. 'Droog' means friend. The s just makes it plural in English. The movie has lots of Russian-derived words.
[12:43] <gordonDrogon> I've been using 'drogon' since 1992 - its just an anagram of gordon.
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[12:44] <gordonDrogon> it's the name of the MUD I wrote: The Land of Drogon ...
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[12:44] <gordonDrogon> not a terribly imaginative name, but hey ho ..
[12:45] <ozzzy> whatever works
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[12:46] <steve_rox> hmmz i see
[12:46] <steve_rox> takes so long to translate a word
[12:46] <gadgetoid> I need to stop being so early!
[12:46] <gadgetoid> But I woke up at 6am!
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[12:47] <gordonDrogon> yea - it gets light early now. still only 21 days util the days start getting longer again...
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[12:50] <ozzzy> I'm up at 6 every morning
[12:51] <ozzzy> I have a border collie that thinks that 6am is the perfect time to have breakfast and go for a walk
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[12:55] <gordonDrogon> Dogs. Go figure.
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[13:00] <[Saint]> shiftplusone: Indeed. A Clockwork Orange is studded with Russian - I had a rather large debate with my third year high school English teacher about it. She absolutely would not budge on saying that it was all a bunch of made-up silliness.
[13:01] <shiftplusone> lol >_<
[13:01] <Dev0n> are there issues with connecting to APs with hidden SSIDs>#
[13:01] <[Saint]> But, there's plenty of examples. Droog, devochka, kots...
[13:01] <Dev0n> ?
[13:02] <[Saint]> I have none.
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[13:02] <Dev0n> do yo usee ioctl[SIOCSIWAP]: Operation not permitted and ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Invalid argument errors when you ifup wlan0?
[13:03] * [Saint] finds http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nadsat#Russian_influences
[13:03] <shiftplusone> [Saint], I am Russian, so when I saw that movie for the first time I was a bit confused about that, heh.
[13:03] <[Saint]> I wish I could've rubbed that English teacher's smarmy face in that wiki page.
[13:03] * cccyRegeane_Away is now known as cccyRegeaneWolfe
[13:03] <[Saint]> ...had it existed back then ;)
[13:03] <Dev0n> oh thought you meant "I have none" as in you don't get any errors
[13:03] <Dev0n> heh my bad
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[13:04] <[Saint]> Dev0n: I do mean that. I have none == I have no errors of the kind you describe.
[13:04] <Dev0n> oh
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[13:06] <[Saint]> shiftplusone: that wiki link describes it quite well.
[13:06] <[Saint]> 'tis one of my favorite books.
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[13:07] <[Saint]> And, ...Anthony Burgess in general.
[13:07] <shiftplusone> I've only seen the movie so far (about a dozen times)... should get around to reading the book, but I have set out to get through Wheel of Time, which is going to take a while.
[13:08] <[Saint]> I'm not sure if you're into him or not, but, my favorite book of all time is The Great And Secret Show by Clive Barker.
[13:08] <[Saint]> Part of The Books of the Art series.
[13:09] <[Saint]> *Awesome* book...I've read it a dozen times or more easily.
[13:10] <shiftplusone> Haven't heard of it, but i'll check it out, thanks.
[13:11] <[Saint]> It is hard to describe the style of the author, but, I really like him.
[13:11] <[Saint]> Others hate him ;)
[13:11] <[Saint]> ...like most authors, I guess. Can't like them all.
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[13:12] <shiftplusone> yup
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[13:14] <[Saint]> I also highly recommend Do Androids Dream Of Electric Sheep, which you may know as being made into the move Blade Runner.
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[13:15] <shiftplusone> Alright, I think I've got enough reading material for now D=
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[13:16] <[Saint]> Heh - I'm sorry. I like books a little too much :-)
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[13:18] <shiftplusone> Already put everything you mentioned on the kindle. =)
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[15:18] <linuxstb> Anyone have any idea what this firmware commit is about? https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/commit/57b604530d3c86edd5093d2a58c9d026fdfa7a7a - "firmware: increase PCM buffer size again for ape audio"
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[15:28] <chithead> linuxstb: firmware is teh sekrit
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[15:34] <Schnuws> new firmware? Do we need to reinstall the whole system or does it follow with apt-get upgrade?
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[16:00] <bacobart> ive connected a dvb-c stick to my rpi which works and all
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[16:00] <bacobart> but when i try to watch tv the rpi crashes
[16:00] <bacobart> doesnt do this on other linux systems
[16:00] <bacobart> theres no error the rpi just freezes
[16:01] <bacobart> any idea what could cause this?
[16:02] <SpeedEvil> Do you have the stick on a powered hub?
[16:02] <bacobart> nope
[16:02] <bacobart> so its a power issue then?
[16:03] <SpeedEvil> Seems likley
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[16:03] <bacobart> i kinda suspected that
[16:03] <bacobart> thanks for confirming
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[16:08] <gyeben> hi
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[16:09] <gyeben> I'm trying to use a cheap camera based on a Zoran chip with my pi, but I can't get it to work
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[16:16] <SpeedEvil> Can you get it to work on normal linux?
[16:16] <SpeedEvil> With a driver you compile?
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[16:17] <Error323> Hi, I'm using the raspberrypi/tools crosscompiler and I was wondering if it has all the optimal flags set. (Aside from O{0,...,3})
[16:18] <Error323> In other words: For optimal performance do I need to set extra flags beyond -O ?
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[16:20] <Triffid_Hunter> Error323: depends what you're prepared to sacrifice for performance.. no stack or frame pointers gives you extra registers but also makes debugging quite impossible.. it also has options for doing branch frequency profiling then recompiling using the profile.. tons of others too
[16:21] <Error323> Triffid_Hunter: Right, is there a way to see the flags set? Because when crosscompiling using cmake verbosity, I don't see any additional flags.
[16:22] <Triffid_Hunter> Error323: no idea about cmake but it's unlikely to go adding flags in.. set with CFLAGS="..." cmake ...
[16:25] <Error323> Triffid_Hunter: sorry I don't understand your answer, can you rephrase?
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[16:28] <gyeben> SpeedEvil: well, my Pi is my only Linux box
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[16:32] <sayo-> uhmmm weird, I can connect to my wifi using my wpa supplicant.conf by hand
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[16:32] <sayo-> but it doesn't connect automatically with network
[16:32] <sayo-> after editing /etc/network/interfaces
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[16:35] <x29a> sayo-: what do the logs say?
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[16:36] <sayo-> good question ^^
[16:37] <sayo-> would you mind pointing out where I can find the logs?
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[16:40] <sayo-> nevermind!
[16:40] <sayo-> There was a typo on /etc/network/interfaces
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[16:52] <binBlob> Hi does s1 have a good tutorial about setting up a rpi audio stream over network ? I seem to only find tuts that use rpis's audio jack i.e. not streaming the music as I want to do
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[17:13] <SpeedEvil> You mean streaming to the pi?
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[17:27] <Peemo> Hello :)
[17:27] <Redostrike> hi
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[17:28] <Peemo> SO let's say I'm going to solder today for the first time.
[17:28] <a7x> you should read a few tutorials
[17:28] <SpeedEvil> Also, ##electronics
[17:28] <Peemo> I'm going to put a stacking header on P6 for a reset switch.
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[17:28] <Peemo> Thanks! I will def check out that channel.
[17:28] <Peemo> http://www.creatroninc.com/index.php/raspberry-pi/raspc-001112.html So this is my stacking header.
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[17:29] <Peemo> This is the button I'm going to attach to it.
[17:29] <Peemo> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/9336
[17:31] <Peemo> What kind of connector do I use to attach it to the stacking header? See the little piece of plastic on the bottom of the stacking header, is that the input I need to wire up to the button or is it just an extra piece of plastic to hold the stacking headers together?
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[17:32] <SpeedEvil> It's just mechanical
[17:33] <Peemo> So it does nothing but protect the stacking header until you are ready to use it?
[17:33] <mgottschlag> Peemo: some prototyping board and stranded wire, or even just stranded wire alone?
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[17:34] <mgottschlag> ah, wait
[17:34] <mgottschlag> actually, I would have gotten a female pin header (how do you even call that in english) and soldered it to that using some wire
[17:34] <mgottschlag> only slightly different from that "stacking header"
[17:34] <Peemo> I want this but I don't know what the hell the name is : http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/85/powerha6.jpg
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[17:35] <Peemo> It looks like it's already attached to the stacking header at the bottom, but I'm not sure that's correct.
[17:37] <mgottschlag> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/8614
[17:38] <mgottschlag> "2-pin 0.1" pitch female connector"
[17:38] <[Saint]> yes, that's a standard "jumper cable".
[17:38] <[Saint]> exactly the same pitch and width as a motherboard jumper. :)
[17:38] <mgottschlag> doesn't jumper cable have it on both ends though?
[17:39] <mgottschlag> Peemo: the comments tell you what kind of connector that is btw
[17:39] <mgottschlag> or at least one source for it, although digikey has insane shipping costs
[17:39] <mgottschlag> you could also get a 13x2 female header and some prototyping board, and use that to solder your cables to it (works for more than one button)
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[17:41] <Peemo> So does this : http://www.creatroninc.com/index.php/raspberry-pi/raspc-001112.html have jumper cable end attached to it and i just pull it off or do I need to buy that end piece separately?
[17:42] <mgottschlag> that part doesn't have anything attached to it
[17:43] <mgottschlag> it is just something to raise your gpio pins by ~1cm
[17:43] <Peemo> Perfect answer thanks!
[17:44] <Peemo> So if I go buy a pack of jumper cables I could just cut one and attach it to my button hook it it all up and she might work?!
[17:45] <mgottschlag> yes
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[17:47] <[Saint]> I added nice pushbutton surface mount switches to the p6 header on all of my pis today.
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[17:47] <[Saint]> its nice to be able to shut them down, and leave them powered, then bring them back up with a switch.
[17:48] <[Saint]> similar to these: http://www.tmt-tz.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=376
[17:48] <gildean> also old floppydrive cables work, they just have 8 extra leads, but you can just cut them off
[17:49] <gildean> or if you got an old pc with modular lpt cables, iirc they fit perfectly
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[17:50] <gildean> those are just garbage otherwise, so imo it's better to reuse old parts if you can than buy new ones
[17:50] <gordonDrogon> P6 header?
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[17:51] <gildean> oh sorry, i thought you were talking about gpio
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[17:51] <binBlob> SpeedEvil: no I meant streaming on the pi to other hosts, I found a icecast tutorial but it is too heavy for the pi
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[17:54] <binBlob> acually it is not icecast but mpd that causes a 60% load ... is there something lighter ?
[17:56] <Peemo> [Saint]: I'm doing that today as well, but with a big arcade button because it's my first project like this and I had to go all out.
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[17:59] <[Saint]> Adding a huge arcade button as a reset switch?
[17:59] <[Saint]> Nice.
[17:59] <[Saint]> :)
[18:01] <Peemo> Yep! :D
[18:01] <Peemo> Next project will be using GPIO for a "shutdown" button.
[18:01] <Peemo> No clue how to do that yet but i will get there.
[18:02] <[Saint]> I just happened to have a bunch of those tiny 6x6x1 2-pin surface-mount switches laying around doing nothing.
[18:03] <[Saint]> On one of my pi I had an old reset switch/cable from my last PC case, but I swapped it for the switch.
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[18:05] <Peemo> I don't have ANY extra stuff, I need to buy everything, but I go to China town in Toronto it's really good prices I can't complain.
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[18:11] <nerdboy> moin
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[18:12] <gordonDrogon> Peemo, fairly trivial - simple bash script.
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[18:27] <herbert__> how do I give an analog signal directly to the raspi? can I go into the soundcard wirh a phone plug?
[18:27] <maxinux> what sort of analog do you want?
[18:27] <maxinux> do you want audio in
[18:27] <maxinux> or analog data in?
[18:28] <herbert__> analog data in, but using the phone plug would be a good connector, and the soundcard should work as a small AD converter
[18:28] <nerdboy> there's no audio in afaik
[18:28] <nerdboy> need to use gpio for that
[18:29] <herbert__> its no audio data, its data from a electrocardiodiagramm
[18:29] <herbert__> who is gpio? :)
[18:29] <nerdboy> you coud use a cheap usb audio plug...
[18:29] <javiolo> Hi, is it possible using this http://www.adafruit.com/products/1392 to run an app from the raspberry pi? I'd like to start/stop an app using a Keyfob Single Button RF Remote Control
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[18:29] <maxinux> so you want audio in - best to use usb sound card
[18:30] <nerdboy> herbert__: general purpose i/o
[18:30] <herbert__> i kno wits nice to plug stuff into the raspy, but the soundchip is already capeable of ad converting, so why do it complicated?
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[18:32] <gordonDrogon> there is no sound ship.
[18:32] <gordonDrogon> chip*
[18:32] <nerdboy> the audio may have an "in" but it's not exposed
[18:32] <gordonDrogon> or rather, there is no sound input mechanism unless you add one.
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[18:33] <maxinux> I2s
[18:33] <maxinux> herbert__: do not irc as root.
[18:33] <gordonDrogon> I2S is digital though.
[18:34] <herbert__> maxinux: :D no other way here
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[18:34] <maxinux> herbert__: well, you dont have identd running, so you could just tell the server you arent root, you could also add a user and sudo to that user to irc or login as that user directly (preferred)
[18:35] <zastaph> do I sudo apt-get upgrade or dist-upgrade to upgrade my raspbian to the same as the newly released ISO's ?
[18:35] <gordonDrogon> zastaph, yes.
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[18:35] <zastaph> which one
[18:35] <herbert__> maxinux: i'd like to see someone breaking into my raspi ;)
[18:35] <gordonDrogon> all 3.
[18:35] <zastaph> ok
[18:35] <gordonDrogon> update ; upgrade ; dist-upgrade
[18:35] <gordonDrogon> you probably only ever need the dist-upgrade once though - after that just normal upgrade.
[18:36] <maxinux> anyone know of any bay area vendors with raspi's in stock?
[18:36] <maxinux> i just killed my sd slot, and that kinda kills my weekend raspi hacking plans
[18:36] <gordonDrogon> superglue ..
[18:36] <maxinux> its curing now ;)
[18:36] <maxinux> its also a 256 meg model
[18:36] <gordonDrogon> I know of at least one person who resorted to gluing the SD in...
[18:36] <maxinux> would not mind 512mb
[18:36] <gordonDrogon> ok :)
[18:36] <gordonDrogon> I know 2 people now :)
[18:37] <maxinux> im not superglueing the sd in
[18:37] <maxinux> im superglueing a piece of plastic over the slot
[18:37] <maxinux> then i can insert the card in
[18:37] <gordonDrogon> ok.
[18:37] <maxinux> and it hold
[18:37] <gordonDrogon> sugru to back it up..
[18:37] <maxinux> heheh
[18:37] <maxinux> ordered a metal sd socket
[18:37] <maxinux> desoldering time
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[18:38] <maxinux> i tried to make the weather station gpi board fit in the 3d printed case... the sd card slot lost and everything else fit
[18:38] <nerdboy> adafruit does have the B in stock...
[18:38] <maxinux> they are not local
[18:38] <maxinux> lots of places have them in stock
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[18:40] <nerdboy> "weather station gpi board" ?
[18:41] <nerdboy> is that a 1-wire thing?
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[18:43] <nerdboy> a pi with a little solar panel and sensors sounds pretty cool...
[18:44] <SpeedEvil> You can need a really large one.
[18:44] <nerdboy> with a home-made directional antenna could be very useful for remote data collection
[18:44] <SpeedEvil> nerdboy: Where do you live?
[18:44] <nerdboy> california
[18:44] <SpeedEvil> Ah.
[18:45] <SpeedEvil> The solar panel might be comparatively small - 25W might well be adequate if you're in the sunnier bits
[18:45] <SpeedEvil> Or are you in the bits that are constantly misty for much of the year
[18:45] <nerdboy> a mostly dry part...
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[18:46] <SpeedEvil> I did the numbers. To run a Pi model B 24*7, I need about a 250W solar panel, and a 100Ah*12V battery
[18:46] <nerdboy> just need a nice battery setup
[18:46] <SpeedEvil> And it's still likely to be down 2-3 days a year when it's dull for a week
[18:46] <SpeedEvil> (in winter)
[18:46] <SpeedEvil> Assuming I clear the snow off the panel)
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[18:47] <nerdboy> the panel on the ncar pam station wasn't *that* big
[18:48] <nerdboy> i think they on 12-volt battery
[18:48] <nerdboy> *had
[18:48] <nerdboy> one even...
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[18:48] <nerdboy> are you sure you didn't slip a decimal point?
[18:48] <SpeedEvil> No.
[18:49] <SpeedEvil> It's light for 5-6 hours in winter some times, and if it's overcast too...
[18:49] <SpeedEvil> And it stays overcast for a week
[18:49] <JakeSays> gordonDrogon: ok cool - that makes things easier
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[18:54] <nerdboy> http://tinyurl.com/knqyyn2 <= that's a little bigger than i remember
[18:54] <nerdboy> but we did use them in northern california during winter
[18:54] <ant_thomas> SpeedEvil: What numbers did you use to calculate that usage?
[18:55] <SpeedEvil> ant_thomas: 5W * 24h on the input - and then insolation readings for local solar over the day
[18:55] <SpeedEvil> http://pvoutput.org/aggregate.jsp?p=2&id=6988&sid=5585&t=w&gs=0&v=0&o=date&d=desc - say
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[18:55] <nerdboy> late 80's model had about half that size panel i think
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[18:56] <SpeedEvil> http://pvoutput.org/list.jsp?p=4&id=6988&sid=5585&gs=0&v=0&o=date&d=desc - for example
[18:56] <ant_thomas> I'm looking for a panel to give about a weeks usage. Need to do some calculations but I have a 12V 15Ah SLA battery and was hoping I could stretch a week out of the battery with a 12V 4W small panel with a Model A. Managed to power a Model B with WiFi and Canon compact camera for about 3.5 days without a panel
[18:57] <SpeedEvil> 20th Feb last year, A 4kW panel produced 500Wh over the day
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[18:57] <SpeedEvil> A 250W panel would have produced about 30Wh. This would power a Pi for about 5 hours
[18:57] <SpeedEvil> (more for a model A)
[18:58] <nerdboy> with some modern low-power sensors should be able to use a 12" panel and much less than a 12 v car battery...
[18:58] <SpeedEvil> Sensors aren't the issue
[18:58] <SpeedEvil> The pi uses about 6 or 7 orders of magnitude more power than the sensors.
[18:59] <SpeedEvil> In an ideal climate with a fixed panel (a desert in summer) you will get about 4*8=24Wh out of a solar panel of 4W.
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[19:04] <nerdboy> what have you actually tested so far? have you run it off batteries or anything yet?
[19:04] <SpeedEvil> Me?
[19:04] <nerdboy> yeah, ant_thomas has one data point
[19:05] <SpeedEvil> I've just done the numbers - and checked on a dull day that yes - the output was really that low
[19:05] <nerdboy> i haven't tried batteries yet but i was planning to
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[19:09] <ant_thomas> My plan is to test my Model A with a Pi Camera (when it arrives), taking a photo every minute and uploading over WiFi on the 12V 15Ah battery and see what numbers I get from that. Then add a solar panel
[19:11] <SpeedEvil> Do remmeber that you need to cut off discharge at 10.6V, or you can do permenant damage to the battery
[19:11] <SpeedEvil> Also you musn't overcharge it more than about 14V
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[19:15] <ant_thomas> So I guess running the battery down to about 5V previously wasn't the best idea?
[19:15] <gordonDrogon> battery Pi - something I'm working out myself for a new garden make-over ...
[19:16] <gordonDrogon> I suspect it might be arduinos that control the garden though...
[19:16] <bts__> aloha
[19:17] <gordonDrogon> not going to muck about with little battereis & panels though - going for a pair of 75Ah leisure batterys and a 120watt panel...
[19:17] <sayo-> hey! can somebody help me with this? http://pastebin.com/j9RH3gVE
[19:18] <gordonDrogon> sayo-, you live in an area with too many access points!
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[19:19] <sayo-> haha yes! you can skip the iwlist, I just added it to check I can spot the accesspoint
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[19:21] <sayo-> I'm not sure what's failing, essid and pass are fine
[19:21] <sayo-> but wlan0 won't associate with the AP
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[19:22] <gordonDrogon> ant_thomas, if it's a proper leisure battery you'll get away with draining it past 10v.
[19:23] <Matt> sayo-: WEP?
[19:23] <gordonDrogon> ant_thomas, but most normal batteries will start to fail if you do it repeatedly.
[19:23] <sayo-> Matt exactly! I connected successfully to a WPA2 network before, so I know for sure my card works ok
[19:23] <Matt> I've not done anything with WEP in ages
[19:24] <Matt> all my stuff has been switched over to WPA2
[19:24] <Matt> WEP
[19:24] <Matt> WEP's only really useful to stop people accidentally connecting to your network
[19:24] <sayo-> "d8aff" is my network's plaintext pass... is sudo iwconfig wlan0 key s:d8aff ok?
[19:24] <Matt> that sounds about right
[19:25] <Matt> you've not got network-manager running have you?
[19:25] <Matt> or wpa_supplicant?
[19:25] <sayo-> yea
[19:25] <Matt> either of those will probably trample all over any manual changes you make
[19:25] <sayo-> bummer
[19:25] <Matt> if you're using network-manager, then you need to configure the network through that
[19:26] <sayo-> oh
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[19:26] <sayo-> I tried to, but it didn't work, that's why I switched to manual configuration
[19:27] <Matt> you can try it manualy, just kill network-manager first
[19:28] <sayo-> this is my /etc/network/interfaces (*** = jump line) iface wlan0 inet dhcp *** wireless-key s:d8aff *** wireless-essid "4407404" *** auto wlan0
[19:29] <Matt> I've never done anything with interfaces for wifi config
[19:29] <Matt> back when I had WEP hardware I was using slackware :)
[19:30] <sayo-> ok, gonna kill networkmanager (and wpa supplicant, if need be) and try it again
[19:30] * Matt nods
[19:30] <Matt> good plan
[19:30] <sayo-> oh, didn't know network manager is only for debian
[19:30] <Matt> nah, network-manager is all sorts of distros
[19:31] <Matt> /etc/network/interfaces isn't specifically network-manager
[19:31] <Matt> in fact, network-manager might even ignore it
[19:31] <sayo-> ah o.o
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[19:31] <Matt> most of the boxes I'm working with are servers, so they don't run network-manager :)
[19:32] <sayo-> I've read lots of people had problem with network-manager
[19:32] <Matt> it's just my desktops/laptops that do
[19:32] <sayo-> ahh ok
[19:33] <Matt> and with those, I tend to just use nm-applet to set stuff up
[19:33] <Matt> or nmcli
[19:34] <sayo-> great, no network manager listed on ps aug O.O
[19:34] <Matt> prolly isn't running then
[19:35] <Matt> it's NetworkManager, IIRC
[19:35] <Matt> if you're grepping for it
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[19:36] <sayo-> I'm running "ps aug" and scrolling for the list to be sure
[19:36] <sayo-> I see no networkmanager or similar
[19:36] <sayo-> no wpa supplicant either
[19:36] <Wired203> do I need to istall apache and client175 for mpd or just client175
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[19:36] <sayo-> I only see dhclient, but I don't think it may be causing trouble
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[19:37] <Matt> nup
[19:37] <ant_thomas> gordonDrogon: It's only a fairly cheap small SLA so I guess I should look after it a bit more or else it won't last. I could do with some sort of voltmeter with the Pi
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[19:40] <sayo-> I'll give up this wep stuff (I use wpa2, just wanted to check how to set up WEP in linux), anyway Matt, thanks for your support! :D
[19:40] <nerdboy> Matt: network-manager should ignore interfaces that are configured in /etc/network/interfaces
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[19:41] <gordonDrogon> ant_thomas, yes, do look after it - howevert you can make a crude voltmeter on the Pi if you really need to - you'll need 3 resistors and a capacitor and some clever software...
[19:41] <nerdboy> it's only supposed to "manage" interfaces that aren't set in the normal config file
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[19:42] <sayo-> but it's true that network-manager can cause some trouble when connecting manually to a wifi network
[19:42] <sayo-> especially when you've some autoconnect networks assigned to network-manager
[19:42] <sayo-> when you want to switch to another, you may have trouble authenticating in the new one
[19:43] <nerdboy> it should be fine if you use the applet interface to configure it
[19:43] <gordonDrogon> actually, you could do it with a few resistors and a 10v zenier diode...
[19:43] <sayo-> what's the applet interface?
[19:43] <nerdboy> nm-applet?
[19:43] <sayo-> ah, that's for GUI right?
[19:44] <nerdboy> yup
[19:44] <sayo-> oh ok
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[19:45] <nerdboy> alternatively you could install wicd and remove network-manager
[19:45] <sayo-> that's actually what I'm doing right now ^^
[19:46] <sayo-> network manager isn't running as service, and I couldn't set it up by hand
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[19:46] <sayo-> I'm installing wicd at last resource
[19:47] <nerdboy> in order of pain: connman > network-manager > wicd
[19:48] <sayo-> it could be said that wifi on linux is quite painful
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[19:49] <nerdboy> yes and no...
[19:50] <nerdboy> with a full desktop, eg, gnome3, it's way cleaner and easier than windoze
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[19:51] <nerdboy> especially managing multiple interfaces
[19:51] <sayo-> you still have some compatibility issues
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[19:52] <nerdboy> with specific devices, sure
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[19:52] <nerdboy> i just don't buy those devices
[19:52] <deller> hey guys
[19:53] <bts__> welcome deller
[19:53] <deller> has anyone managed to connect the raspberry pi to a car odometer
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[19:53] <bts__> what for?
[19:53] <nerdboy> can bus?
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[19:53] <deller> i need a pi to calculate gas usage
[19:53] <deller> for a shared car
[19:53] <deller> based on miles drive
[19:53] <deller> driven*
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[19:54] <deller> i currently have a notebook where we write the odometer reading before each drive
[19:54] <deller> and then we calculate at the end of the month
[19:54] <deller> but i want it automated
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[19:54] <deller> i can write a program that calculates it in c++ or python
[19:54] <deller> if i could have an API for reading odometer values
[19:55] <gordonDrogon> deller, the anwser is "not easy".
[19:55] <nerdboy> that would be an interesting hardware/driver/interface project
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[19:55] <deller> how about a GPS based solution
[19:55] <nerdboy> kernel has can bus drivers so should be possible
[19:55] <gordonDrogon> if your car has the clever electronics, then you might be able to hook in to it, else if an older fashioned mechanical one then you're looking at something mechanical to count pulses.
[19:55] <deller> its almost a new car
[19:55] <deller> 2012
[19:56] <deller> suzuki alto
[19:56] <gordonDrogon> the pulse counting isn't hard, but the mechanicals might be... I did it some 25+ years ago, but I had access to lots of machine tools, etc. at the time
[19:56] <deller> would a GPS based solution be easier?
[19:56] <deller> get coordinates at an interval
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[19:56] <deller> and calculate displacement between them>
[19:56] <deller> ?*
[19:57] <gordonDrogon> From what I've read it's not that easy to hook the Pi into a car's CAN bus - the SPI latency gets in the way (of CAN interface chips which seem to be SPI based)
[19:57] <gordonDrogon> the other issue is safely starting and shutting the Pi down - you could leave it running, but starting the car might crowbar it.
[19:58] <nerdboy> gps would definitely be easier...
[19:58] <deller> where could i get started with the GPS?
[19:58] <deller> is there a forum topic?
[19:58] <deller> i need a C++ or python api in the end
[19:58] <nerdboy> gpsd docs
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[19:59] <nerdboy> python is already there
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[20:01] <gordonDrogon> gpsd is good. save the profile and play it back with tangoGps too.
[20:01] <gordonDrogon> or whatever it got renamed to.
[20:01] <nerdboy> there should be #gpsd as well
[20:04] <deller> basically GPSD is an API for all the supported GPS devices?
[20:05] <nerdboy> yup
[20:05] <nerdboy> and a daemon, user tools, etc
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[20:08] <Wired203> I can't seem to get client175 running for mpd, followed the install and my mpd is working with a android client from my phone but I'm receiving no web response at all. Any tips?
[20:08] <nerdboy> there's both a real library interface (libgps) and a socket/network interface (gpsd)
[20:09] <sayo-> my ISP gives me a private IP so I can't access my router (and my network) from the outside; there's no way I can connect to my raspi from outside my local network, right?
[20:10] <SpeedEvil> Sure there is.
[20:10] <nerdboy> Wired203: haven't tried it
[20:10] <SpeedEvil> A) connect from Pi to server, and then outside to server
[20:10] <nerdboy> but i built a whole yocto image for mpd...
[20:10] <SpeedEvil> B) ping it in some manner - text message or whatever - and get it to establish a connection
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[20:11] <sayo-> SpeedEvil I heard about having a server to intermediate the connection, but do you know any good public server that would allow getting ssh connection to my private raspi?
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[20:11] <sayo-> I was thinking of amazon cloud services for example
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[20:12] <nerdboy> Wired203: isn't there more than one web client?
[20:12] <SpeedEvil> Well, the obvious suggestion was that place that was offering to colo pi's for free.
[20:12] <SpeedEvil> (I don't know if they're still doing that)
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[20:13] <sayo-> colo pi?
[20:13] <nerdboy> Wired203: i'm using empcd right now
[20:13] <SpeedEvil> Colocate your pi. You send them a pi, and they connect it to a network
[20:14] <sayo-> ahhh
[20:14] <sayo-> I'm outside the states tho^^
[20:15] <gordonDrogon> you need to buy/rent a VPS somewhere that'll let you terminate a vpn on.
[20:15] <gordonDrogon> then you von the home router to the vps then you can connect to the vps from anywhere and from there back to home.
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[20:16] <sayo-> yea
[20:16] <sayo-> both ends have private ips, so I need both terminals to listen to a public server, the server can forward stuff between them
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[20:20] <Wired203> empcd?
[20:21] <Wired203> ahh different front end
[20:23] <ParkerR> Is there an upper limit to the TP1 to TP2 voltage?
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[20:25] <ParkerR> Lost the power cord for my USB hub. Found one athat fits and it's 5.9v ay 2A
[20:25] <ParkerR> *that
[20:25] <ParkerR> *at
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[20:25] <ParkerR> And the hub backpowers
[20:26] <ParkerR> Measured TP1 to TP2 and it's reading the full 5.9v. Just wanted to make sure it wasn;t going to blow anything
[20:26] <ParkerR> *wasn't
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[20:27] <Firehopper> 5.9 sounds high
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[20:28] <gordonDrogon> it is a shade on the high side - it might cause the 3.3v regulator to run a shade hotter than normal.
[20:29] <sayo-> SpeedEvil I need an extra public box to do reverse shell to connect two private ip stations, right?
[20:29] <SpeedEvil> Yes
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[20:29] <sayo-> ok
[20:29] <sayo-> hope my isp burns ;_;
[20:29] <gordonDrogon> or a VPS.
[20:30] <SpeedEvil> Or swap ISPs
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[20:33] <gordonDrogon> And ISP already doing carrier grade NAT... roll on IPv6 ..
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[20:34] <sayo-> oh
[20:34] <sayo-> that's actually what my ISP does
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[20:34] <sayo-> my "public" ip points to a cisco hardware that connects me and all my neighbours
[20:35] <sayo-> so we're all behind a nat
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[20:36] <sayo-> if you need a public ip, you've got to pay an extra fee ><
[20:36] * SpeedEvil has a static IP.
[20:36] <SpeedEvil> Free.
[20:36] <SpeedEvil> I wish I'd taken the offer to get 8 free IPs
[20:36] <SpeedEvil> I could have sold them :)
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[20:37] <sayo-> I don't work in the it field so I don't have that kind of contacts :P
[20:38] <nid0> thats not having contacts, its just having a non-awful isp
[20:38] <SpeedEvil> No contacts - I just paid them normal amount of money
[20:38] <sayo-> but I've heard a lot of guys in the industry that get some free ips or free boxes etc
[20:38] <SpeedEvil> They would not be doing that now
[20:38] <nid0> never even heard of a fixed-line ISP doing what you're getting
[20:38] <ParkerR> Cable ISP with one external static for me
[20:39] <ParkerR> I say static but it changes once in a blue moon
[20:40] <dagerik> ParkerR: i got audio working
[20:40] <dagerik> latest omxplayer had errors
[20:40] <dagerik> i rolled back 1 month
[20:42] <ParkerR> :D
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[20:46] <user82> hi. is it recommended to upgrade from "archlinux-hf-2013-02-11" to the new "archlinux-hf-2013-05-14" or can pacman/yaourt get me everything, since it is a rolling distro
[20:46] <bts__> you absolutely do not have to install it from scratch
[20:46] <bts__> pacman -Syu does everything necessary
[20:47] <user82> thanks bts__
[20:47] <bts__> (remember about .pacnew), np
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[20:50] <user82> bts__, .pacnew? sorry
[20:51] <user82> do not use arch as desktop distro. so i have basically almost no knowledge on pacman/yaourt
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[20:53] <gordonDrogon> I have 4722366482869645213696 IPv6 addresses... only 8 IPv4 ones though (at home/office)
[20:53] <ParkerR> gordonDrogon, O.o
[20:53] <ParkerR> And yet you cant remember a single ipv6 :P
[20:53] <gordonDrogon> Plusnet in the UK have/are experimenting with Carrier Grade NAT.
[20:54] <gordonDrogon> ParkerR, what's what DNS is for: watertower.drogon.net -> 2001:4d48:ad51:8900::1
[20:54] <SpeedEvil> for new users
[20:54] <ParkerR> gordonDrogon, Nice
[20:54] * ParkerR wishes his ISP had ipv6
[20:54] <ParkerR> They _say_ next year
[20:54] <gordonDrogon> a UK one?
[20:56] <ParkerR> Naah US
[20:56] <gildean> ParkerR: you can get a free 4to6 tunnel from either HE or Sixxs
[20:57] <gildean> in my experience they work great too
[20:57] <ParkerR> gildean, Meh. Don;t really need it as of yet
[20:57] <gildean> it's fun to have tho'
[20:57] <ParkerR> Just something you want but not sure what you'd do with
[20:57] <gildean> and the ip's you get are static
[20:58] <ParkerR> IPV6: It's like tor but different XD
[20:58] <gildean> and you can get something like a /56 subnet, that's quite a few ips
[20:58] <JakeSays> gordonDrogon: hey any idea how i would determine if my PIR has an open-collector output?
[20:58] <ParkerR> Anybody with IPV4 can't visit your site
[20:58] <ParkerR> *ipv4 only
[20:59] <gildean> well they can use a 4to6 web-gateway
[20:59] <gildean> but you're right, it's not really suitable for public access
[20:59] <gildean> but just to use on your own it's just fine
[21:00] <gordonDrogon> JakeSays, measure the voltage on it - it's probably floating or 0v. put a 1K resistor on it to +3.3v and see if it goes from 3.3v to 0v when triggered - if it does, then connect it to the Pi..
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[21:01] <gordonDrogon> gildean, a /56 is 4722366482869645213696 IPs :)
[21:01] <JakeSays> gordonDrogon: lol. yeah i skipped a few steps - its already connected to the pi
[21:01] <gordonDrogon> JakeSays, stick a meter on it anyway - just to make sure it's not going over 3.3v.
[21:01] <gildean> gordonDrogon: yes, that's quite a few
[21:02] <gildean> but the smallest subnet you can use is a /64, so that limits it somewhat
[21:02] <gordonDrogon> I have a /128 on my (cheap) VPS host...
[21:03] <gildean> alright, a single point can be a /128, but if you want to use it as an actual network the smallest is a /64
[21:03] <nerdboy> Wired203: were you running it stand-alone?
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[21:06] <gordonDrogon> I thought they might give me a /64 but it seems they only give out /128's. I said it was cheap :)
[21:06] <gordonDrogon> I've just renewed it - �25 for 6 months..
[21:07] <JakeSays> gordonDrogon: it ranges between 0 and 4.9v
[21:07] <ParkerR> I have an even cheaper one... (account on one friend pays for)
[21:07] <gordonDrogon> JakeSays, above 3.3v it has the potential to damage the Pi.
[21:08] <JakeSays> gordonDrogon: yeah. its no longer connected.
[21:08] <gordonDrogon> JakeSays, that suggests it's not open collector...
[21:08] <JakeSays> ok
[21:08] <gordonDrogon> however I've seen many people now just connect 5v into their Pi - they seem to get away with it - I'm not convinced...
[21:08] <JakeSays> yeah. no reason to risk it
[21:09] <JakeSays> i just need a 1k resisitor?
[21:09] <gordonDrogon> You need 2 resistors as a divider.
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[21:09] <gordonDrogon> e.g. 2.2k and 3.3k.
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[21:09] <JakeSays> oh right
[21:10] <gordonDrogon> connect the output to the 2.2K then to the 3.3K then to 0v. connect Pi's gpio to the junction of the 2 R's.
[21:10] <JakeSays> last time i did this i used a 1k and a 2k
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[21:13] <gordonDrogon> whatever works for you :)
[21:14] <JakeSays> my reasoning was very scientific - thats all i had. lol
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[21:17] <JakeSays> those little resistor color bands were much easier to read 30 years ago.
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[21:18] <gordonDrogon> reading glasses, magnifier, and a good desk light - what I need now!
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[21:22] <bts__> and what I need: good manual about accesing gpio with asm
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[21:22] <JakeSays> bts__: nah you just need a good manual on assembly. its pretty much the same between assy and c
[21:22] <ParkerR> -_- So 5.9v may not have been a good idea. Walk into where the Pi is. Smell an IC burning. Still don't know what blew
[21:22] <ParkerR> Pi is still running
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[21:23] <mgottschlag> ParkerR: check the temperature of the voltage regulators
[21:24] <mgottschlag> those are what will catch fire if the voltage is too high
[21:24] <mgottschlag> (not only the external regulators, but also the one in the CPU, but that one is switching and doesn't produce very much heat)
[21:24] <ParkerR> Ok smells like its the hub
[21:24] <ParkerR> Twas a cheap hub
[21:24] <bts__> JakeSays: and what more: time and patience (lesson today: processing input, amazing :) )
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[21:25] <mgottschlag> bts__: are you working from within linux, or without any OS?
[21:26] <bts__> mgottschlag: within linux
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[21:26] <bts__> btw, nice to see you - hope you won't mind me asking one question according to our recent discussion
[21:26] <mgottschlag> ah, but then you are missing all the really interesting stuff... ^^
[21:26] <mgottschlag> just ask
[21:26] <mgottschlag> did you get my remark about that I think your last code snippet was wrong btw?
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[21:27] <mgottschlag> (like, you executed what was at your label "a" which was supposed to be data, not code)
[21:27] <bts__> yes, that's what I was wondering about
[21:27] <bts__> exactly
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[21:28] <mgottschlag> assembler just executes from top to bottom, you have to place all data labels at the bottom (or top) after .data, but *not* after .text, so ".data .text" was the same as ".text"
[21:28] <bts__> but that label "a" was followed by pseudo-instruction, not the real one - so wasn't it exchanged for address at assembly time?
[21:28] <mgottschlag> hm, show your snippet again plz :)
[21:29] <bts__> it was like "a: .word 50"
[21:29] <gordonDrogon> bts__, isn't there enough on the bare metal section on the forums?
[21:29] <JakeSays> gordonDrogon: that worked. thanks!
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[21:29] <mgottschlag> the label "a:" indeed is removed at compile time
[21:29] <mgottschlag> but the 50 stays where it is, between several instructions
[21:29] <JakeSays> bts__: any reason why you're using assembly instead of, oh, anything else?
[21:30] <ParkerR> Is it bad that I like the smell of burnt IC? :3
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[21:30] <bts__> JakeSays: just want to gain some knowledge :) I've been learning C++ for some time
[21:30] <JakeSays> bts__: ah ok. good enough reason :)
[21:31] <bts__> mgottschlag: hardly do I understand it :x
[21:31] <JakeSays> its a pain in the butt, but when you get something running written in pure assembly, you fell like you've really done something
[21:31] <bts__> haha, yes
[21:31] <mgottschlag> execute "objdump -d yourprogram", then you see what the compiler generates
[21:32] <mgottschlag> maybe that explains it already
[21:32] <JakeSays> hmm. i need a real editor. nano just slows me down
[21:33] <mgottschlag> vim! :D
[21:33] <mgottschlag> (waiting for some emacs people)
[21:33] <bts__> will try with that objdump, thanks for tip
[21:33] <JakeSays> mgottschlag: real editor == something with a mouse :p
[21:34] <mgottschlag> gvim! :D
[21:34] <bts__> I must do something different now, though, as my eyes start to hurt ;x
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[21:35] <JakeSays> i've been spoiled by soft, squishy IDE's
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[21:38] <JakeSays> i s'pose i could wimp out and load up X
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[21:47] <gordonDrogon> bts__, you could always compile some simple C program and look at the assembler output - gcc -S file.c
[21:47] <bts__> gordonDrogon: yes, I've noticed it already, although this gcc output sometimes happen to be quite complex
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[21:48] <JakeSays> oh cool scratch is installed
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[22:15] <gildean> i made a post about the thermometer i built two weeks ago, if someone is interested: http://gildean.github.io/Raspberry-Pi-thermometer-with-node.js/
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[22:22] <ryan_turner> Hi, I just got an rpi and cant seem to get it to turn on. The power LED illuminates, but ACK never does.
[22:22] <javiolo> any idea where to buy a raspberry camera board now?
[22:22] <ryan_turner> I've tried two different sandisk SD cards with last nights latest ver of raspbian
[22:22] <ant_thomas> What is the PSU?
[22:23] <ryan_turner> ant_thomas, one sec
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[22:23] <ant_thomas> nothing at all showing on the screen/TV?
[22:23] <ryan_turner> this is the PSU: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003Z4G3I6/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i02?ie=UTF8&psc=1
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[22:23] <ryan_turner> Im trying to use the old shit because I dont have an HDMI cord handy, nothings showing.
[22:25] <ant_thomas> Just in case that USB hub isn't powering it correctly do you have a Micro USB phone charger that provides more than 700mA? Most decent ones will give 1A
[22:25] <ryan_turner> Yeah, let me go grab it.
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[22:27] <bts__> hm, readelf is also useful when disassembling
[22:27] <ant_thomas> gildean: Are you a fan of D3.js? I'm currently using flot (for this http://antthomas.co.uk/temperature/) but your graphs look very nice
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[22:28] <gildean> ant_thomas: not particulary, this was the first time i've used it
[22:28] <ryan_turner> No difference
[22:28] <ryan_turner> Still only power LED, nothing coming out on the display
[22:28] <ryan_turner> Should I expect ACK to light green if it were working?
[22:28] <gildean> ant_thomas: i just wanted something that could be made zoomable and pannable and d3 seemed to be the easiest way to do that
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[22:31] <gildean> ant_thomas: it's quite an extensive library tho', it has its own selectors etc. so there was some reading i had to do to make it work
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[22:38] <dddh> hi
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[22:39] <dddh> should I install new image of rapbian or just update old installation is enogh?
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[22:39] <dddh> s/rapbian/raspbian
[22:39] <dddh> sorry
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[22:40] <ant_thomas> ryan_turner: only thing other than power (which you've now checked) is to reimage the SD cards or try some different ones. Whilst I haven't had any problems with any SD cards (used all sorts of classes and sizes) some have. Also check that the lock switch on the SD card hasn't moved slightly. A few of my cards have looser lock switches and when they move slightly the RPi won't boot
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[22:41] <ryan_turner> Ok, yeah I'm re-downloading raspbian
[22:41] <ryan_turner> 5-25
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[22:41] <ryan_turner> the SD card Id like to use is listed as working, but Ill try some others.
[22:42] <JakeSays> gordonDrogon: have you done anything with servos?
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[23:18] <Treferwynd> hello there, I'm trying to watch a .avi, which works fine on another pc, while on the r-pi the audio works but there's no video
[23:18] <Treferwynd> this is a codec problem, right?
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[23:27] <linuxstb> Treferwynd: Most likely yes. What is the video codec?
[23:28] <linuxstb> Treferwynd: Just typing "file filename.avi" may tell you more information about the file.
[23:29] <Treferwynd> linuxstb: oh, ok, I'm doing it
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[23:29] <Treferwynd> linuxstb: data, AVI, 576 x 240, 25.00 fps, video: DivX 3 Low-Motion, audio: DivX (stereo, 44100 Hz)
[23:30] <Treferwynd> it's not too helpful for me :S
[23:30] <gildean> Treferwynd: it says clearly that the video codec is divx 3
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[23:30] <Treferwynd> yep, and that I understand, but I'm not sure how to use that info...
[23:31] <JakeSays> so if i want to build the servoblaster kernel module, do i really have to build the kernel first?
[23:31] <gildean> must be an old video, haven't seen divx 3 in a while
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[23:32] <Treferwynd> it actually is quite old
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[23:33] <plietar> Hi, I am planning on interfacing a WM8731 Codec with a raspberry pi, but I don't know how to connect them.
[23:33] <plietar> I'm using this schematic http://www.mikroe.com/downloads/get/1094/acodec_proto_sch_v101.pdf
[23:34] <mgottschlag> plietar: there should be tutorials out there on SPI
[23:34] <mgottschlag> I mean, SPI with the Pi
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[23:34] <plietar> For example, where should ADCLRC and DACLRC be plugged
[23:34] <mgottschlag> or I2C, but SPI is probably preferred
[23:35] <mgottschlag> plietar: you have to look in the datasheet for that IC
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[23:35] <mgottschlag> from that image, i only see that it seems to need either SPI or I2C for communication, all other parts are specific to that IC
[23:36] <plietar> I believe it uses I2C for volume and other control, and I2S for data
[23:36] <plietar> and no SPI
[23:36] <plietar> Although it is labeled SCK/MOSI/MISO
[23:36] <mgottschlag> ah, if it uses I2S, then you probably cannot use it with the pi
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[23:37] <mgottschlag> or does the pi have functional i2s now?
[23:37] <mgottschlag> anyways, you better try to dig through the datasheet of that thing for the pins first
[23:37] <plietar> According to this page http://blog.koalo.de/2013/05/i2s-support-for-raspberry-pi.html yes
[23:38] <plietar> but the connection isn't detailed
[23:38] <Peemo> What's the difference between "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade " and "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" / "sudo do-release-upgrade"?
[23:38] <mgottschlag> plietar: then have a look at the schematics of the pi and the bcm2835 peripheral documentation
[23:39] <mgottschlag> the latter should tell you the pins used for i2s, and the schematics then tell you where you find them
[23:40] <Peemo> What's the benefit of using another user over the main pi user? Do all users share the same programs, for example if I have RetroPie on my pi user and I make another user can that user use RetroPie or would they have to go through all of the stuff again?
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[23:41] <mgottschlag> Peemo: unless you installed something in /home/pi, everything is usable from all users
[23:41] <mgottschlag> the table with the i2s pins probably is found somewhere in the GPIO section btw
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[23:43] <plietar> Ok. On this page http://elinux.org/RPi_Low-level_peripherals#P5_header PCM uses 4 pins, however on the schematic, only 3 pins are used.
[23:44] <plietar> Pins map mot or less, except for PCM-FS, can it be left unconnected ?
[23:44] <plietar> *more or less
[23:45] <Peemo> mgottschlag: I installed everything in /home/pi
[23:45] <Peemo> Where would you recommend installing something for everyone?
[23:46] <Peemo> Oh... Applications?
[23:46] <mgottschlag> /usr/local/...
[23:47] <Peemo> I see!
[23:47] <mgottschlag> plietar: I have no idea, FS is usually for frame synchronization
[23:48] <mgottschlag> and the pins in the board schematics have totally different names compared to the IC datasheet
[23:48] <mgottschlag> ah, no, only the net names
[23:48] <mgottschlag> so, looks like that chip doesn't have that signal
[23:48] <plietar> I've never used I2Sor anything similar before. Could FS be Left/RIght channel sélect ?
[23:49] <mgottschlag> FS = frame start iirc
[23:50] <mgottschlag> looks like FS isn't used in I2S mode at all
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[23:50] <mgottschlag> page 37 of the data sheet has an example diagram for I2S mode, looks like it just synchronizes on the first clock edge and then never synchronizes again
[23:51] <mgottschlag> FS would only be necessary for PCM format as in the bottom diagram on that page
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[23:52] <mgottschlag> that page btw also explains the DACLRC signal
[23:52] <plietar> Then Left/Right would be any GPIO right ?
[23:53] <mgottschlag> huh?
[23:53] <mgottschlag> what left/right?
[23:53] <mgottschlag> read the datasheet, really
[23:53] <mgottschlag> http://www.wolfsonmicro.com/documents/uploads/data_sheets/en/WM8731.pdf
[23:55] <plietar> Oh, i though DACLRC when an input, like Left/Right select
[23:55] <mgottschlag> it is, but you cannot just control it manually from a GPIO pin
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[23:56] <mgottschlag> because it must of course be synchronous to the data stream
[23:56] <plietar> Isn't it generated by the chip ?
[23:56] <mgottschlag> it basically says "this bit of the data stream belongs to this channel"
[23:56] <mgottschlag> I don't know, and to find out, I would have to read the data sheet
[23:57] <JakeSays> bah. cant believe i need to build the kernel just to build a module.
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[23:59] <Ricksl> whats up jake?
[23:59] <JakeSays> Ricksl: servos

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