#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2013-06-07

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[0:10] <sjefen6> 2is it possible to get a img file with a larger than 1.5 gb partition? I am emulating in qemu and the emulator can not expand it
[0:10] <sjefen6> http://sourceforge.net/projects/rpiqemuwindows/ (this one)
[0:12] <sjefen6> soled it...
[0:12] <sjefen6> *solved it
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[0:25] <Flipo> Hello, anyone has tips on how to optimize usb audio settings ? I just bought a small class compliant card and I'm having lots of pops and clicks when I record
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[0:33] <Mogwai> Flipo: You can try putting dwc_otg.speed=1 in /boot/cmdline.txt .. it will slow down other USB gadgets but will likely improve your USB audio quality
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[0:48] <Flipo> Mogwai: even if I don't have any other usb devices connected ?
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[0:51] <Mogwai> Flipo: If you have other USB devices that you would like to connect in the future, remember to change that setting back, is what I mean
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[0:58] <Firehopper> anyone know if its possible to use a hp 3100 webcam with the pi?
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[1:03] <Flipo> Mogwai: when I put dwc_otg.speed=1 I can't seem to ssh in the pi anymore when the soundcard is plugged :/
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[1:06] <Mogwai> Flipo: Hmm, strange .. it shouldn't have any effect on the ethernet afaik .. you are connected via wire, right?
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[1:06] <Flipo> Mogwai: yes
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[1:08] <Flipo> that's interesting, I just transfered a file I recorded on the pi that has crackles and pops to my macbook and it sounds fine
[1:09] <Flipo> so the problem is the playback
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[1:09] <daveZzZ> buffer underrun?
[1:09] <daveZzZ> sample mismatch?
[1:10] <daveZzZ> sample rate*
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[1:10] <Flipo> daveZzZ: it's recored at 44100 and it says that it plays it back at 44100
[1:11] <maluta> somebody know an equivalent address for http://archive.qmh-project.org/rpi-wheezy/debian ?
[1:12] <ParkerR> maluta, http://archive.raspbian.org/raspbian/
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[1:14] <maluta> ParkerR, I was looking for qt50-snapshot, I didn't found there
[1:15] <daveZzZ> sample buffer size flipo? im not sure what you're doing, it's just in normal audio stuffs, a too smaller buffer causes popsandcrackles
[1:15] <ParkerR> maluta, Ok seems its only in tht repo you linked
[1:15] <ParkerR> Its down atm
[1:15] <ParkerR> So I guess just wait for it to come back
[1:15] <maluta> ParkerR, I'll check http://twolife.be/raspbian/
[1:17] <user82> does someone happen to be here who uses the python gpio?
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[1:22] <Firehopper> bleah I cant get raspistill to work with the hp 3100 webcam
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[1:26] <Firehopper> it spits out some errors
[1:27] <ParkerR> Firehopper, It's only programmed to work with the official camera module
[1:27] <ParkerR> So of course it errors
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[1:31] <Firehopper> oh
[1:31] <Firehopper> what do I need for the webcam then?
[1:32] <Flipo> daveZzZ: very strange, playing an mp3 work very well using mpg321 but aplay crackles... so it seems aplay replated
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[1:32] <daveZzZ> i really an a pi nub man
[1:33] <daveZzZ> like, started yesterday, it just sounded familiar
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[1:33] <daveZzZ> bus address and physical addresses? why the difference, can someone explain?
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[1:35] <daveZzZ> i use the physical address in asm, but the bus address, when would(if it would be) relavent?
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[1:37] <daveZzZ> damn, im an idiot, it says it underneath
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[1:52] <Firehopper> so anyone know what I need to use for a hp 3100 webcam? its already supported. I just need the software to use it
[1:53] <\\Mr_C\\> try plugging it in
[1:53] <\\Mr_C\\> and apt-get update
[1:53] <\\Mr_C\\> upgrade
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[1:57] <Firehopper> that dont help.. I'm trying motion. maybe thats what I need
[1:59] <\\Mr_C\\> driver installed?
[1:59] <\\Mr_C\\> try vlc
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[2:02] <ozzzy> http://pastebin.com/3TbENq7C <--- new project
[2:02] <ozzzy> time to walk the dog
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[2:03] <Firehopper> motion worked :)
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[2:04] <Firehopper> now I just have to learn how to use it :)
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[2:08] <\\Mr_C\\> ozzy
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[2:17] <Firehopper> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/435742530/udoo-android-linux-arduino-in-a-tiny-single-board?ref=card
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[2:26] <ParkerR> Firehopper, As if there arent enough already :P
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[2:33] <ricksl> ny one gripe with that udoo is them making a dual core version and a quad core version
[2:33] <ricksl> my*
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[2:35] <ricksl> I can see it now "this program will only run on the quad core version" "A quad core optimization is in the works" it will lead to fragmentation with the programs made for it.
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[2:40] <binBlob> Hey ho, I've installed mpd and configured it to stream via http. The problem is that it is causing full load on my pi. Is that normal ?
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[2:43] <ozzzy> ricksl: if I neede that much power I'd use a netbookl
[2:43] <ozzzy> stupid keyboard
[2:43] <ricksl> Yeah, but I would like the embedded platform size.
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[2:44] <ricksl> Like I said the only thing that got me with that was the fragmentation bound to happen
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[2:45] <leming> naturally, because there is fragmentation in every other multi-core architecture
[2:47] <ricksl> Enlighten me as to whether or not that was sarcasm
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[2:47] <leming> no, i really hate when i can only run certain programs on my laptop because i only have two cores there
[2:48] <ricksl> Oh okay, sorry about getting all defensive
[2:48] <leming> that is pure sarcasm, your worry has no basis
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[2:58] <Coburn> Hey guys
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[2:58] <Coburn> Has anyone else tried using zoneminer on a Pi? If so, I'm getting a screen like the following
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[2:59] <Coburn> http://puu.sh/3a0n1.jpg
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[3:04] <binBlob> your pic looks like a nice pointer fail :)
[3:05] <ParkerR> binBlob, Pointer fail?
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[3:06] <binBlob> ParkerR: have to programm a vid player and getting the same shitty output because I constatnly fail on the frigging c++ pointers
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[3:15] <edman007> ParkerR, if he programmed it himself I'd agree, but it looks like an existing app
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[3:16] <ParkerR> edggeek, Talk to bin not me :P
[3:16] <edman007> Coburn, my guess, is you got codecs wrong (like gave the app h264 video and claimed it was UVC)
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[3:16] <edman007> ParkerR, he left...so i picked you, lol
[3:16] <ParkerR> Haha
[3:16] <Coburn> edman007: hmmm, weird though
[3:17] <Coburn> it should have just worked
[3:17] <Coburn> the webcam is using v4l (video 4 linux)
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[3:18] <edman007> Coburn, yea, but V4L can output many many types of video..my guess is you probably picked the wrong v4l device or set the v4l video options wrong in the app you have
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[3:19] <edman007> many more expensive webcams will do h264 encoding onboard, and it's easy to screw that up and pump it into a video app claiming it's UVC or something
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[3:19] <edman007> and sometimes you can configure them to settings they don't like and get that (especially things with tuners, that you might have tuned to a wrong frequency)
[3:20] <Coburn> this is a Trust WB-3300p
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[3:22] <edman007> Coburn, probably uvc...
[3:22] <edman007> do you have multiple things show up for `ls /dev/video*` ?
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[3:25] <edman007> ohh... it's not, it's a pac7311 which uses the gspca driver...
[3:25] <edman007> that's probably why, I bet the driver is bugging out
[3:25] <edman007> can you get video from it through other means?
[3:27] <Coburn> edman007: I have /dev/video0
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[3:27] <Coburn> if I use v4l v1 it gets invalid ioctl getting pic attribs
[3:27] <Coburn> v4l v2 gives me that static
[3:28] <Coburn> what other methods can I use to pull an image from a webcamm?
[3:29] <edman007> Coburn, install mplayer and do `mplayer tv://0
[3:29] <Coburn> I have no screen attached
[3:29] <Coburn> only SSH
[3:29] <Coburn> it's headless
[3:30] <Coburn> unless I pipe it to devnull
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[3:32] <edman007> Coburn, mencoder tv://0 -o test.avi -ovc copy
[3:32] <edman007> that will save it to a disk
[3:32] <edman007> and you can scp the video off it...
[3:32] <Coburn> ok doing so
[3:32] <Coburn> should I stop zoneminder?
[3:32] <edman007> yea
[3:33] <edman007> may need to install mencoder too
[3:33] <edman007> ..and it may want to bring in a whole bunch of video libs
[3:33] <Coburn> downloading atm
[3:33] <Coburn> I need to get this up and running asap
[3:34] <edman007> heh
[3:34] <Coburn> it's for trying to find what birds are pooping on mum's car
[3:34] <Coburn> NinjaPi
[3:34] <edman007> heh
[3:34] * edman007 hopes it works
[3:34] <edman007> it sounds like an old driver that may not have been well tested with ARM...I hope I'm wrong though
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[3:35] <edman007> and what do you see in `lsmod` output BTW?
[3:35] <edman007> gspca_pac7302?
[3:35] <Coburn> shoot just unplugged the camera
[3:36] <Coburn> lemme plug it back in and I'll check
[3:36] <edman007> and what does dmesg say about pluggin in the camera?
[3:36] <Coburn> gspca_pac7311 6127 0
[3:36] <Coburn> gspca_main 20137 1 gspca_pac7311
[3:36] <Coburn> videodev 104342 2 gspca_main,gspca_pac7311
[3:36] <Coburn> media 13424 1 videodev
[3:37] <Coburn> [ 3800.436690] usb 1-1.2: device not accepting address 13, error -32 [ 3800.445337] hub 1-1:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 2
[3:37] <Coburn> Shoot, need powered hub >_>
[3:38] * Coburn quickly looks around for a powered hub
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[3:40] <Coburn> ok
[3:40] <Coburn> okay, that's plugged into a hub now
[3:42] <edman007> dmesg shows it ok?
[3:42] <edman007> no errors?
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[3:45] <Coburn> yeah, but mencoder hated it
[3:45] <Coburn> edman007: http://pastebin.com/yhDfPBXN
[3:47] <edman007> hrm...
[3:47] <Coburn> let me see what zoneminer says
[3:48] <edman007> Coburn, what is your kernel?
[3:48] <Coburn> r-pi 3.6.11+
[3:48] <Coburn> Linux rpi 3.6.11+ #462 PREEMPT Mon Jun 3 22:15:00 BST 2013 armv6l GNU/Linux
[3:49] <Coburn> also, edman007: [ 4412.594630] gspca_main: ISOC data error: [31] len=0, status=-71
[3:49] <edman007> that's not good...
[3:50] <edman007> Coburn, it's looking like a driver bug though... people say it works with some kernels, not others (pointing to a driver issues) http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=59351
[3:50] <edman007> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1180369
[3:50] <edman007> exact same problem...
[3:51] <Coburn> eff it, I'll just go to the $2 store and grab a webcam from them
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[3:51] <Coburn> most likely be the same issue
[3:52] <edman007> Coburn, most of them now are UVC cameras
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[3:52] <edman007> UVC is MUCH less buggy
[3:52] <edman007> you're camera seems like it's simply a super old chip, and just not all that well tested
[3:53] <Coburn> yeah, well it's obsolete by toshiba
[3:53] <Coburn> it's a TOSHIBA branded camera
[3:53] <edman007> heh
[3:54] <Coburn> I'll go up to the cheap store now and see them
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[3:54] <ParkerR> The cheapest webcams I have seen locally are the crappy 1.3m at radioshack
[3:54] <ParkerR> Like $20
[3:54] <edman007> Coburn, the page for the driver says it's a SoC camera... literally a chip with USB out, and a few caps and resistors tied to it and a lens over it
[3:54] <ParkerR> Got a nice Lifecam off a Ebay for 16 with free shiiping XD
[3:55] * edman007 got a $35 HD camera from china
[3:55] <ParkerR> And has autofocus to about an inch
[3:56] <edman007> ohh, that's nice... mine has manual focus...and it's 1080p, but USB 2.0 can't handle 1080p raw video
[3:56] <ParkerR> edman007, Ohhh Thats why you get a c70
[3:56] <ParkerR> Decodes on the camera
[3:57] <edman007> ohh, yea... well I got to see how this project works out
[3:57] <ParkerR> Gaah
[3:57] <ParkerR> C910
[3:57] <ParkerR> http://www.logitech.com/en-us/webcam-communications/articles/9443
[3:57] * edman007 is currently coding a servo controller
[3:57] <ParkerR> Does the heavy lifting on the camera side so all the computer gets is a h.264 stream
[3:58] <edman007> yea, I may get that, I need my project to work before upgrading the camera
[3:58] <edman007> it's a submarine, and I dumped lots of money into it... need some output before I do anything
[3:58] <ParkerR> :O
[3:59] <edman007> http://edman007.mine.nu/~edman007/pub/sub-pics-a/
[3:59] <edman007> the pics I got now (I got the page messed up, lots of dup pics)
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[3:59] <edman007> but PCBs are at the bottom
[3:59] <edman007> I'm coding my own servo controller
[3:59] <Coburn> okay guys
[4:00] <Coburn> I will get IRC on my phone
[4:00] <edman007> andchat
[4:00] <Coburn> and chat live when I'm up at the store
[4:00] <Coburn> so be on standby, edman :P
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[4:02] <edman007> I'll be here for like an hour
[4:02] <edman007> maybe a bit more
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[4:02] <edman007> still got work tomorrow, lol
[4:02] <coburnmobile> Heh
[4:02] <coburnmobile> OK I am walking up the street
[4:02] <coburnmobile> Forgot wallet lol
[4:03] <edman007> lol
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[4:03] <coburnmobile> OK take 2
[4:03] <edman007> do they take IOUs?
[4:03] <coburnmobile> Naw
[4:03] <coburnmobile> I have wallet this time
[4:04] <coburnmobile> Okay, in the computer crap lane
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[4:05] <coburnmobile> Smoke alarms but no webcams?!
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[4:06] <edman007> ?
[4:06] <coburnmobile> Everything but webcams
[4:07] <coburnmobile> Nope
[4:08] <coburnmobile> Nothing there
[4:08] <coburnmobile> May have better luck at local PC store
[4:08] <edman007> you are close to the store, lol
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[4:09] <coburnmobile> I swear I saw webcams at that cheap shop
[4:09] <coburnmobile> Sansai or somethibg
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[4:10] <coburnmobile> I work in town so its a little hike for me and also makes me fit :p
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[4:10] <coburnmobile> Okay
[4:11] <coburnmobile> There is a ...
[4:11] <coburnmobile> Logitech c170
[4:11] <coburnmobile> Any good, edman007?
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[4:12] <edman007> one sec
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[4:15] <edman007> coburnmobile, looks like it is probably a UVC cam... but it's very new and may not get autodetected right
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[4:15] <coburnmobile> OK, well it is 30 bucks so might give it a shot. :)
[4:15] <edman007> but I don't think it's too hard to force UVC to load it
[4:16] <edman007> yea, they officially list it as having UVC support
[4:16] <edman007> it will work
[4:16] <coburnmobile> Fuck yaheah
[4:16] <coburnmobile> :D
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[4:16] <coburnmobile> Btw, what is UVC?
[4:16] * Firehopper has a hp 3100, now I just need to figure out how to use it
[4:17] <coburnmobile> Alright. Let's put this bitch to work!
[4:17] <edman007> coburnmobile, it's a standard hardware interface for cameras, basically means one drive can support a whole bunch of different chips as they all show up the same on USB
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[4:18] <coburnmobile> I will be singing sweet praises if this works, edman007
[4:18] <coburnmobile> :)
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[4:19] * edman007 wonders where coburnmobile works that he can get cameras that fast
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[4:19] <coburnmobile> My work is just behind the main street
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[4:20] <coburnmobile> Backdoor of work, thru a alleyway and onto main street
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[4:21] <jethro1332> New raspberry pi user here...I'm trying to use the feh image viewer to view images on a network share. I'm getting an error that says I need to recompile feh with "stat64=1" to fix this. Does anyone know how to do this?
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[4:27] <coburnmobile> Okay
[4:27] <coburnmobile> Got that sorted
[4:27] <coburnmobile> Camera plugged in
[4:28] <coburnmobile> Zone miner, work ya bitch
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[4:29] <edman007> :D
[4:29] <edman007> jethro1332, I'd honestly just use something else...
[4:29] <edman007> i like geeqie
[4:30] <jethro1332> ok, i'll check that out...
[4:30] <edman007> otherwise build it with that, because it sounds like your network share has big files...and some reason the version you got doesn't support it
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[4:31] <jethro1332> i just need it to run a continuous slideshow of items from this network share...i'll look for another program if feh can't handle it...
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[4:35] <coburnmobile> Hmmm
[4:35] <edman007> jethro1332, honestly though, I think stat64 is just for 4gb file support... if you don't have big files I don't think you really need it
[4:36] <edman007> unless it's really preventing images from loading for some reason
[4:36] <coburnmobile> Getting error about zone minder not able to chmod things
[4:36] <edman007> coburnmobile, ownership is messed up probably
[4:36] <edman007> you can only chmod things you own
[4:37] <coburnmobile> I will need to set zoneminder as root then
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[4:37] <edman007> no... that's not what you want...
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[4:37] <edman007> what is the file it's trying to chmod?
[4:37] <edman007> just chown that to the user it's running as
[4:38] <coburnmobile> Dev/video0
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[4:38] <edman007> ohh, that's done elsewhere... what's the permissions of that file?
[4:38] <coburnmobile> Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeahhhhhhhh mother****er!!!!!!!
[4:38] <coburnmobile> Working as it should and I have video!!!!!!
[4:38] <coburnmobile> :D
[4:39] <coburnmobile> Well I chmod it to 666 and it works
[4:39] <edman007> coburnmobile, yea... but you shouldn't run it as root, add the user that runs it to the video group and it should work
[4:39] <edman007> because udev will undo your chmod next time it boots
[4:39] <risc> coburnmobile: learn about group permissions
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[4:42] <coburnmobile> Ok
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[4:46] <coburnmobile> Right. Now that is getting 2.5FPS, any thing I should tweak, edman007?
[4:47] <edman007> coburnmobile, is it dark?
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[4:48] <edman007> my camera auto adjusts the exposure to deal with low light, unfortunately that means in low light the fps tanks if the required exposure is over 1/fps
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[4:49] <edman007> the solution to that is add more light or force an exposure (and deal with the resulting dark image)
[4:49] <edman007> or get a faster lens...
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[4:52] <coburnmobile> No, its actually normal
[4:52] <edman007> could be other things too, like if you're encoding it, the pi might not be fast enough, in that case drop the resolution
[4:52] <coburnmobile> Not dark or bright
[4:52] <coburnmobile> It seems to be refreshing every 10 secs
[4:53] <edman007> that app you have...isn't that a security cam app? sounds like exactly how a normal security cam works, lol
[4:53] <edman007> i bet it's a setting in there
[4:53] <coburnmobile> Zoneminder... Lol
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[4:54] <coburnmobile> I have dropped the color from YUYUV to rgb555
[4:54] <coburnmobile> And gone to 640x480
[4:55] <coburnmobile> See how well the program goes now
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[5:11] <Coburn> okay, got 5FPS
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[5:11] <Coburn> still only taking the photos at 10sec intervalz
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[5:13] <Coburn> okay, getting a live feed right now :D
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[5:14] <edman007> :)
[5:14] <edman007> found the problem?
[5:15] <Coburn> more or less
[5:15] <Coburn> 5.69FPS
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[5:15] <Coburn> going to turbo boost this R-Pi
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[7:05] <eephyne> why every usb dvb-t available near me are not compatible.....
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[7:48] <dagerik> how do i open the black standard pi case.
[7:48] <dagerik> it's impossible to open. been strugglin' for 10 minutes
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[8:30] <Blueness|> no
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[9:46] <redostrike> damn
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[9:46] <redostrike> speed ticket
[9:46] <redostrike> :(
[9:47] <ShorTie> bummer
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[9:50] <ShorTie> i gave up that city life
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[10:05] <redostrike> yeah i'm just a city person :p
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[10:08] <gordonDrogon> morning...
[10:08] <ShorTie> mornin
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[10:10] <ShorTie> do you know how much current can you pull from the +5 volt pin on the gpio header ??
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[10:11] <gordonDrogon> somewhere between 2 and 300mA max.
[10:12] <gordonDrogon> the limit is how the Pi is powered - via the standard �USB then there is a 700mA polyfuse in the way - so the 5v supply avalable for the GPIO header (and USB) is what's left over after the Pi and usb hub/ether has had its share.
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[10:12] <gordonDrogon> if you power the Pi via the USB then arguably there is more, but personally I'd not like to push more than 2-300mA through it.
[10:13] <gordonDrogon> if you need more current, then a potentially better solution might be to pwoer the Pi via the 5v GPIO pin, then you have more power available for your peripherals.
[10:15] <ShorTie> the reason i was asking is i built up a daul voltage logic level shifter from a bss123
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[10:15] <ShorTie> using that 5 volts
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[10:16] <ShorTie> and it gave me a nice 5 volt pulse till i hooked up my circuit
[10:16] <ShorTie> then it was down to like 2.5v
[10:17] <gordonDrogon> sureyou've not plugged it into the Pi's 3.3v line?
[10:18] <gordonDrogon> what 5v peripherals are you interfacing to?
[10:18] <ShorTie> had to move the 5 over to a different supply to keep up
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[10:19] <ShorTie> that srm400 board i built up
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[10:19] <ShorTie> that was that pic i tried to send the other day
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[10:21] <ShorTie> on the source gate pins, ya
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[10:24] <ShorTie> __ +5.5v
[10:24] <ShorTie> |
[10:24] <ShorTie> \
[10:24] <ShorTie> / 10k
[10:24] <ShorTie> \
[10:24] <ShorTie> |
[10:24] <ShorTie> ___________ Output
[10:24] <ShorTie> |
[10:24] <ShorTie> ___________________
[10:24] <ShorTie> | BSS123 |
[10:24] <ShorTie> |_________________|
[10:24] <ShorTie> | |
[10:24] <ShorTie> | |
[10:24] <ShorTie> - +3.3v ----o--'\/\/\/'--o---- GPIO Pin
[10:24] <ShorTie> 10 k
[10:25] <ShorTie> tabs messed that up, lol.
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[10:37] <a7x> ShorTie don't do it, use pastebin
[10:38] <gordonDrogon> yea, pastebin...
[10:38] <gordonDrogon> so that just lets you drive one 5v peripheral?
[10:38] <gordonDrogon> most 5v peripherals are happy to have 3.3v into them.
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[10:42] <steve_rox> i need to find some tiny switches from somewhere
[10:42] <steve_rox> like the ones used on pc psu to switch the voltages regions
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[10:49] <steve_rox> guess they are not too common outside of a pc psu
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[11:22] <gordonDrogon> http://uk.farnell.com/knitter-switch/drs4010/rotary-switch-pcb-bcd/dp/807590
[11:23] <gordonDrogon> or just some slider switched?
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[11:25] <gordonDrogon> http://uk.farnell.com/jsp/search/browse.jsp?N=2031+203118+110145882&Ntk=gensearch&Ntt=miniature+slider+switch&Ntx=mode+matchallpartial&No=0&getResults=true&appliedparametrics=true&locale=en_UK&divisionLocale=en_UK&catalogId=&skipManufacturer=false&skipParametricAttributeId=&prevNValues=2031+203118&mm=1002918||,&filtersHidden=false&appliedHidden=false&autoApply=false&originalQueryURL=%2Fjsp%2Fsearch%2Fbrowse.jsp%3FN%3D203
[11:25] <gordonDrogon> 1%2B203118%26Ntk%3Dgensearch%26Ntt%3Dminiature%2Bslider%2Bswitch%26Ntx%3Dmode%2Bmatchallpartial%26No%3D0%26getResults%3Dtrue%26appliedparametrics%3Dtrue%26locale%3Den_UK%26divisionLocale%3Den_UK%26catalogId%3D%26skipManufacturer%3Dfalse%26skipParametricAttributeId%3D%26prevNValues%3D2031%2B203118
[11:25] <gordonDrogon> oops. didn't realise it was huge URL. Doh!
[11:25] <gordonDrogon> http://url.drogon.net/1i
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[11:41] <Martin`> http://cl.ly/image/1i1z0V0P2L14 happy with it, it works :D
[11:41] <Martin`> gordonDrogon: it works! now I need to put it in one case :)
[11:42] <histo> Martin`: what are you making?
[11:43] <Martin`> it recieves messages for dutch alarm services
[11:44] <histo> Martin`: huh?
[11:44] <Martin`> http://cl.ly/image/1l3n2k0n410S
[11:44] <histo> Martin`: is that like emergency alert system or something?
[11:44] <Martin`> yes
[11:44] <Martin`> it alerts the fireman to go to a fire
[11:44] <histo> ahh
[11:44] <Martin`> but I recieve the messages :)
[11:44] <histo> are you a hoser?
[11:45] <Martin`> I don't know what that last word mean, also google don't know :(
[11:45] <Martin`> google translate does not know
[11:45] <histo> slang word for fireman
[11:45] <Martin`> ah ok
[11:46] <Martin`> no, just making it for fun :)
[11:48] <histo> Martin`: very cool. I'm picking up a pi today. Have a few ideas to play around with.
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[11:54] <Martin`> histo: I have a program running on windows right now. Windows running 24/7 all year long (with some crashes per month)
[11:54] <Martin`> Replacing it with a pi
[11:54] <histo> Martin`: ahh yes all my boxes are linux based
[11:55] <Martin`> There was no linux program to decode the messages :(
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[11:55] <Martin`> created it with a friend for linux, and I was testing it with a pi :)
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[12:02] <Martin`> still searching the best way to move the hdmi to the back of the case :(
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[12:03] <Martin`> need something like http://www.datapro.net/products/hdmi-panel-mount-extension-cable.html but short and the connector needs to be small and in a corner
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[12:06] <Martin`> and a flatcable if possible :P
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[12:07] <histo> Martin`: monoprice.com if you need some cheap cabling. You could go hdmi > cat5 > hdmi
[12:07] <ShorTie> Martin`, http://www.walmart.com/ip/21607737?wmlspartner=wlpa&adid=22222222227000000000&wl0=&wl1=g&wl2=&wl3=21486607510&wl4=&wl5=pla&veh=sem
[12:07] <histo> Martin`: although do you really need the display? can you just email the alerts or sms?
[12:08] <Martin`> display is nice for debugging,
[12:08] <Martin`> ShorTie: can't mount that one to the case
[12:09] <ShorTie> http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=&sku=902967&is=REG&A=details&Q=
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[12:10] <Martin`> yes something like that would be nice :)
[12:10] <Bushmills> Martin`: a cubieboard has its hdmi connector at the small side, has about the same width but is a little bit longer
[12:10] <ShorTie> could always cut the male end off and just solder to board
[12:10] <Martin`> ok
[12:11] <Bushmills> but usb and micro sd are on the long side
[12:11] <Martin`> hmm or just buy a connector which I can mount the the case and do my own wires
[12:12] <ShorTie> or just rob some dead hdmi device
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[12:15] <Martin`> Do I have a dead device? I think not :(
[12:17] <gordonDrogon> Martin`, is the relay acting as a switch input to the Pi?
[12:17] <ShorTie> you got an electrical supply house around ??
[12:18] <Martin`> gordonDrogon: it is a 5v serial connection, the small thing converts it to 3v (green cable)
[12:18] <ShorTie> i see hdmi stuff for wall plates, maybe 1 of them might work
[12:18] <Martin`> and input voltage is 12v and converting it for the pi to 5v
[12:19] <gordonDrogon> ah, ok. photo is upside down - wasn't sure what it was.
[12:19] <Martin`> yes stupid site it was right on my computer :(
[12:19] <gordonDrogon> ah, got it now. that's a 7805 drop in part.
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[12:22] <Martin`> gordonDrogon: not the 7805 it was really hot, it is the coverter you said that won't be hot :)
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[12:23] <user82> hi gordonDrogon . is wiringpi also available for python 3?
[12:23] <user82> or did you not create the python version?
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[12:27] <gordonDrogon> user82, you need to find gadgetoid for the python stuff...
[12:27] <gordonDrogon> I only do C/BASIC..
[12:27] <user82> ah ok. thanks
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[12:51] <user82> gordonDrogon, if i once created a soft pwm, how can i turn the led off again? pinmode to output and write low does not work? or is that a problem with my code
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[13:01] <Bushmills> outputs are commonly drains, not sources. try writing high
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[13:05] <user82> Bushmills, it worked before when i had no soft pwm in between.
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[13:07] <user82> the pwm value sticks to the pin apparently..
[13:08] <user82> oh sorry...rtfm: "There is currently no way to disable softPWM on a pin while the program in running."
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[13:11] <gordonDrogon> user82, set the value to 0 to turn it off.
[13:12] <gordonDrogon> Bushmills, The Pi can both source and sink.
[13:12] <user82> gordonDrogon, i did now. does it still use the .5% cpu or not when duty is 0? internally
[13:13] <gordonDrogon> user82, yes - technically the thread is still running.
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[13:15] <gordonDrogon> user82, actually, I've just checked - it's going to force the pin low, so use softPwmWrite (pin, 0) to force it low, and softPwmWrite (pin, 100) to force it high.
[13:15] <gordonDrogon> I have a comment/snag list in-front of me and disabling it is on the list...
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[13:16] <user82> ok good to know gordonDrogon.
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[13:17] <gordonDrogon> I've had 1 or 2 people ask to disable it - not sure why though ;-)
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[14:11] <daveaway> hi, in this tut, that.. i'm STILL on the first page for XD..: str r1,[r0,#4]
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[14:11] <daveaway> in fact, has anyone done the ok1 computer tutorial on cam.ac.uk
[14:13] <daveaway> im having a hard time understanding exaclty the order of things
[14:17] <Davespice> woo hoo, my Mag Pi kick starter reward has come in the post!
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[14:17] <shiftplusone> daveaway, if you asked a specific question, somebody might be able to help.
[14:17] <shiftplusone> Davespice, what did you get?
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[14:18] <Davespice> its print copies of issues 1 to 9, a hard back binder to store them in and a Mod My Pi case
[14:18] <Davespice> not bad, I think I only gave them about £20 as well <shrug> :)
[14:19] <daveaway> i am not sure what i want to ask without seeming like an idiot, but here goes..
[14:19] <Bushmills> daveaway: instruction are executed sequentially, from lower to higher addresses
[14:20] <daveaway> 0x20200000 is loaded into the register, in the next part a bit is moved in and shifter left 18 bits
[14:20] <Bushmills> unless the contents of program counter are changed (jumps, subroutine calls+returns, interrupts etc)
[14:20] <daveaway> i understand that that's 6 ppins (3 bits to a pin)
[14:21] <daveaway> but.. for that 16th pin to be accessed, 4bytes need to be skipped
[14:21] <gordonDrogon> what's the page of the tutorial you're looking at?
[14:21] <daveaway> http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/projects/raspberrypi/tutorials/os/ok01.html
[14:21] <daveaway> why does r1,[r0,#4] skip those first four bytes
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[14:22] <gordonDrogon> ok - part of the issue is that you're learning 2 things here - and IMO it's a bad tutotial for that.
[14:22] <gordonDrogon> you're learning ARM assembly and at the same time the internal gubbins of the Pi's hardware GPIO operations.
[14:22] <daveaway> in my head (i think it's wrong), to access 16th gpio pin, 0x2020001F that's the hex
[14:22] <gordonDrogon> thin words - think of everything being multipels of 4.
[14:23] <gordonDrogon> then 16th gpio pin is bit 16 in a 32-bit register.
[14:24] <gordonDrogon> the gpio registers are complex beasts. you have a bunch of function registers with 3 bits per gpio pin, then you have 2 registers that let you set one of the 56 bits, then 2 more registers that let you clear one of the 56 bits.
[14:25] <daveaway> is there a better tutorial knocking about?
[14:25] <daveaway> anything with a diagram
[14:25] <gordonDrogon> I don't know. why do you want to learn ARM assembler though?
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[14:25] <daveaway> because i want to :P
[14:25] <daveaway> it will also be helpful for job search
[14:25] <Bushmills> i think the displacement ( #4 ) is what you were looking for
[14:25] <gordonDrogon> ok. give up now. you've been at this for some days now and you've not cracked the very basics. I suggest you give up.
[14:26] <Bushmills> that's the value added to r0, to form the resulting address
[14:26] <daveaway> yeah Bushmills, a displacement of #4, but that's 4 bytes?
[14:26] <daveaway> oh shit
[14:26] <gordonDrogon> takes you to 0x20200004
[14:26] <Bushmills> with a byte addressed architectur, yes
[14:26] <gordonDrogon> oh family friendly channel...
[14:26] <daveaway> oh sorry
[14:27] <daveaway> accept my apologies
[14:27] <gordonDrogon> have you read the arm peripherals manual?
[14:27] <daveaway> yeah, it took me a few number of hours to realise that the addresses were different
[14:27] <daveaway> in the manual than in this tutorial
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[14:28] <gordonDrogon> 0x20200004 is the address of function select register number 1 (there are 3 of these registers)
[14:29] <daveaway> yup, you see, the tut wants me to access pin 16
[14:29] <gordonDrogon> each of these 2 registers is split up into 3-bit values.
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[14:29] <daveaway> okay sorry reading
[14:30] <gordonDrogon> what that is doing is loading 0b001 into the function select register for pin 16.
[14:30] <gordonDrogon> that's the code for "make this pin output".
[14:31] <gordonDrogon> the next section takes 1<<16 and stores it at base + 0x40 - register 0x20200040 is hm. an event detect status register.
[14:32] <gordonDrogon> so now I'm confused )-:
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[14:33] <daveaway> if there was just a nice diagram
[14:33] <daveaway> :D
[14:34] <gordonDrogon> 40 decimal.
[14:35] <gordonDrogon> is 1C hex.
[14:35] <gordonDrogon> so #40 is base plus 40 decimal to get to 0x2020001C which is the gpio bit set register
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[14:36] <gordonDrogon> so there you go. 20 minutes ago I knew zero ARM. now I know 3 or 4 destructions. I think i'll leave it at that!
[14:36] <daveaway> Lol, ill keep lookin at it
[14:37] <daveaway> once i grasp the basics, i'll be fine
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[14:38] <daveaway> really though you're right, i should have looked at the arm cpu first, what was i thinking
[14:39] <gordonDrogon> stick to C maybe...
[14:39] <daveaway> naw
[14:39] <daveaway> it would be nice to have verilog and arm
[14:39] <daveaway> considering where arm is going atm in general
[14:40] <daveaway> i seriously enjoy low level stuff, i dont know why
[14:40] <daveaway> even while raging at this tutorial, it hasnt put me off, just makes me want to get it more XD
[14:41] <gordonDrogon> I think it's confusing too - at one point it moves a 32-bit constant into a register, at another it moves a small constant then uses a shift instruction.
[14:41] <Bushmills> 28 hex
[14:41] <Bushmills> not 1c
[14:41] <gordonDrogon> I'm guessing that's programmer optimisation, but not a good one. to load a 32-bit number needs 2 words, but to load a small constant just one, but to shift it needs another word, so the same 2 words..
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[14:42] <gordonDrogon> Bushmills, a-ha..
[14:43] <Bushmills> you double-hexed it:) 40 -> 28 -> 1c
[14:43] <gordonDrogon> Bushmills, I looked at the chart rather than just doing the conversion - regsiter 28 is the bit-clear register. gpio 16 on the Pi is the on-board LED which is connected to the 3.3v line, so the output bit needs clearing to light the led.
[14:43] <gordonDrogon> I looked for the bit set regsiter and it's 1c ...
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[14:44] <Bushmills> no cute hamsters were harmed in that process
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[14:45] <gordonDrogon> the pi's gpio has separate set/reset registers, so no read/modify write needed.
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[14:47] <Bushmills> loading 1, then shifting may be easier on pipelining, compared to loading a literal from instruction
[14:48] <gordonDrogon> possibly. I've not looked at ARM architecture since the very early days of the Acorn Archimedes...
[14:48] <gordonDrogon> (and I'm trying to keep it that way ;-)
[14:48] <Bushmills> neither did I. just a guess. looking for reasons why it could make sensew
[14:48] <gordonDrogon> but I do think it introduces unneccessary complications to a beginners tutorial.
[14:50] <steveccc> gordondrogon: the acorn arc - there was a good machine - used to love their pool game and how the os was structured
[14:50] <daveaway> i've still got a question.. how is it accessing the second set of four bytes?
[14:50] <daveaway> is that where the #4 is?
[14:50] <gordonDrogon> steveccc, you can get riscos for the Pi now if you really want to go back 25 years in-time :)
[14:51] <gordonDrogon> what 2nd set of 4 bytes?
[14:51] <Bushmills> daveaway: the destination size determines how much data is read from address
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[14:51] <Bushmills> as destiniation is a 32 bit register, 32 bits are read
[14:51] <Bushmills> 4 bytes
[14:51] <Bushmills> needed or not, it doesn't care
[14:51] <daveaway> but why does that #4 mean bytes not bits
[14:51] <daveaway> i think you answered it earlier
[14:51] <Bushmills> because address increments go by byte, and by 1
[14:52] <Bushmills> you can't address the next bit. you can only address the next byte
[14:52] <Bushmills> (byte addressing architecture assumed)
[14:53] <steveccc> gordondrogon: i wouldnt want to use it permanently but would be good for a bit of nostalgia
[14:53] <steveccc> dd
[14:53] <daveaway> so ill just accept that when rx[ry,#num] that num is always in bytes
[14:54] <daveaway> because that's what has been getting me
[14:54] <daveaway> i couldn't find any literature on it anywhere
[14:54] <daveaway> or im bad at googling
[14:54] <Bushmills> think of a pile of numbered drawers. those are your addresses. each drawer can contain 8 socks. your bits. you add 4 to the pointer to a drawer, and you address 32 socks further up.
[14:54] <Bushmills> you can't add 1 to a drawer to get to the next sock
[14:54] <daveaway> aye, but it's the context of when it means that, one second door
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[14:56] <Bushmills> no. second door would be something like a bank-switched memory block
[14:56] <daveaway> lol XD i meant someone was at the door
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[15:02] <Darkwell> have anyone of you been using the rPI to program arduino uno ?
[15:02] <Darkwell> in raspbian i mean
[15:03] <Bushmills> well, almost. i used my cubieboard - similar to raspberry pi - to run usbprog to flash a program into an ATMega
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[15:04] <Darkwell> ok so it wasnt the same... ;)
[15:04] <Bushmills> close enough
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[15:04] <Darkwell> similar not the same atmega and another machine =)
[15:04] <IT_Sean> Ahoy, fellow raspberrians
[15:04] <Bushmills> ATMega32 it was.
[15:05] <Coffe> howdy
[15:05] <Bushmills> some arduinos come with Mega32 too.
[15:05] <Bushmills> at least my nano has a mega32
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[15:07] <daveaway> k i think its starting to make sense
[15:08] <Bushmills> quick, get a drink, to remedy that
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[15:08] <daveaway> honestly
[15:08] <daveaway> i was about to make a coffee in celebration
[15:08] <daveaway> lol the project i got in mind.. i think it will take a year to complete XD
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[15:10] <Bushmills> well, there are a number of .. call them "tricks" .. to make asm programs easier to manage
[15:11] <gordonDrogon> Darkwell, I have.
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[15:14] <daveaway> sorry to ask again
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[15:15] <steveccc> is there any big advantage to having an ext4 data partition on the same card as the fat boot partion - I was just going to leave the data within the 32gb boot volume - is it purely to achieve > 4gb files?
[15:15] <daveaway> what exactly does the r1[r0,#4] function do?
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[15:15] <daveaway> not what the numbers do, but that form
[15:15] <gordonDrogon> steveccc, Linux can't create certian file type under vfat... e.g. the device nodes in /dev/
[15:15] <daveaway> damn ive become 'that guy'
[15:15] <daveaway> in the space of two days
[15:16] <daveaway> oh i got it
[15:16] <daveaway> LOL.. yup i'm definitely 'that guy'
[15:16] <Bushmills> [ ] means "indirect". using what's in it as pointer to an address
[15:16] <gordonDrogon> daveaway, it depends on the instruction - if it's str r1,[r0,#4] it's saying store r1 at the address made up from r0 + 4
[15:16] <daveaway> yes, i definitely get it now
[15:16] <daveaway> *!!!!
[15:17] <daveaway> oh man, what a waste of time. i swear, a simple diagram could have remedied it
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[15:18] <gordonDrogon> steveccc, incidentally - don't say 'nostalgia' to the current riscos users - to them it's a way of life and very 'current' and not nostalgic at all... even if it is 25 years behind the times...
[15:18] <steveccc> gordondrogon:oh i wouldnt :) - riscos is like a fine red wine ;)
[15:19] <daveaway> cheers btw, im sure ill be asking more stupid question at some point(which are written 2 lines down)
[15:19] <IT_Sean> just because that's how a riscOS user sees it, does not make it right.
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[15:25] <daveaway> where's the difference between GPIO pin output set and clear
[15:25] <daveaway> and level also
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[15:26] <daveaway> ill go to tutorial 2 actually it might explain
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[15:29] <gazzwi86> hey all
[15:30] <gazzwi86> I'm trying to get the Pi working with the Arduino shield and RFID reader from cooking hacks, which means playing with C
[15:30] <gazzwi86> Am I doing it right? I create my file from a template provided then run: gcc -o RFID arduPi_template.cpp
[15:30] <gazzwi86> I just get a load of errors from the example code
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[15:34] <megaproxy> i need to start working on my pi colocation case
[15:34] * megaproxy is making a 2u case that will slot in pi's
[15:34] <IT_Sean> How many Pis?
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[15:35] <megaproxy> lots
[15:35] <megaproxy> i have a early render i did...
[15:35] * megaproxy finds it
[15:35] <megaproxy> god this office has crappy internets
[15:36] <megaproxy> http://i.imgur.com/7RpTY.png
[15:36] <megaproxy> there we go :D
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[15:46] <shiftplusone> hm, Raspberry Pi on a computerphile video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sx2HjuZBuo0
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[15:51] <scipy53> Can I run FreeRTOS on the Pi?
[15:51] <shiftplusone> I know it works, I don't know how well.
[15:51] <scipy53> Hm ok
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[15:53] <shiftplusone> (a quick google search will point you in the right direction)
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[15:58] <scipy53> shiftplusone, Ya, but I didn't get much. Mostly stuff on forums, didn't find anything formal.
[15:59] <shiftplusone> Yup, there's not going to be anything formal any time soon.
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[15:59] <shiftplusone> Just a few people porting it over on github.
[15:59] <d3nd3> ass
[16:00] <d3nd3> wc
[16:00] <shiftplusone> d3nd3, you ok?
[16:00] <IT_Sean>
[16:00] * shiftplusone hands IT_Sean the banhammer.
[16:00] * IT_Sean picks it up
[16:00] <IT_Sean> d3nd3 ....?
[16:01] <d3nd3> its wrong chat , wc = wrong chat
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[16:01] <shiftplusone> ah
[16:01] <shiftplusone> I thought water-closet D=
[16:01] <IT_Sean> actually, wc = water closet. speak english, not 'l33t' please
[16:02] <shiftplusone> Just given the previous subject matter, heh.
[16:02] <gordonDrogon> daveaway, you write a 1 into one register to set an output gpio pin high, and you write a 1 in another regsiter to set an output pin low.
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[16:03] <IT_Sean> :o
[16:03] <IT_Sean> :(
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[16:15] <scipy53> shiftplusone, Hmm ok. Any other well established solutions to run realtime apps on an rpi? some sort of real time linux kernel which has been ported.
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[16:17] <steveccc> there is no way to alter config files on a pi sd card without it being booted in a pi is there?
[16:18] <shiftplusone> scipy53, there are realtime kernel patches available, yes, but I wouldn't call that a well established solution. The GPU will do things that will use up clock cycles without asking, so there can't be a true realtime solution... as I understand it, at least.
[16:18] <steveccc> to set the network settings for instance
[16:18] <shiftplusone> steveccc, there are. Which OS?
[16:19] <steveccc> Raspbian wheezy
[16:19] <shiftplusone> I mean on your desktop.
[16:19] <steveccc> oh sorry - primary mac but I can use windows or linux vm
[16:19] <shiftplusone> steveccc, do you have a usb sd card reader?
[16:20] <pksato> steveccc: yes, is possible. need a tool to mount linux partiotion on other system.
[16:20] <steveccc> shiftplusone: yes - just formatted it and put raspbian on it but was waiting till i get home to configure it but i was going to do as much as I can here
[16:21] <megaproxy> hmm
[16:21] <shiftplusone> The easiest would be to use a linux vm and a usb card reader. The other option is to install ext drivers for macOS
[16:21] <megaproxy> how could i power lots of pi's
[16:21] <megaproxy> will probably need a busbar or something
[16:21] <IT_Sean> megaproxy: define "lots"
[16:21] <megaproxy> but i need to be able to remotly turn off the power to each pi
[16:21] <megaproxy> IT_Sean: .. lots :P
[16:21] <IT_Sean> That's going to be tricky.
[16:21] <megaproxy> will be powering this: http://i.imgur.com/7RpTY.png
[16:22] * IT_Sean has no idea
[16:22] <shiftplusone> megaproxy, http://coen.boisestate.edu/ece/files/2013/05/Creating.a.Raspberry.Pi-Based.Beowulf.Cluster_v2.pdf
[16:22] <pksato> megaproxy: use one rpi to control power of others.
[16:23] <megaproxy> oooh neat idea
[16:23] <megaproxy> so a controller
[16:23] <megaproxy> thsi wont be a cluster though, more colocation
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[16:23] <megaproxy> think of each pi as someones device
[16:24] <shiftplusone> same thing applies, in terms of powering them.
[16:24] <megaproxy> yea :D
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[16:24] * megaproxy bookmarks doc
[16:24] <IT_Sean> And you want them to be able to remotely force a reboot?
[16:24] <megaproxy> prefrably yes, i have access to the DC 24/7 but would be annoying having to go there to unplug a usb..
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[16:25] <Flipo> Hello, i've been playing around with USB sounds cards and whenever I try to use the input and output at the same time, the sound starts to stutted, tried with pure data and pyo with the same results, is this a known issue ?
[16:26] <pksato> megaproxy: and, on control rpi, use some hardware watchdog to restart.
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[16:26] <IT_Sean> homebrew a small device that, when triggered via a GPIO pin, opens a relay for 10 seconds
[16:26] <megaproxy> thing is i suck at electronics
[16:27] <megaproxy> wiring wise
[16:27] <megaproxy> so ill probably end up killing myself
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[16:27] <IT_Sean> Are you a blithering idiot?
[16:27] <megaproxy> sometimes.
[16:28] <shiftplusone> D=
[16:28] <IT_Sean> then I think you are going to do a LOT of plug jockying
[16:28] <shiftplusone> megaproxy, you'll have a hard time killing yourself with 5v.
[16:28] <megaproxy> trust me, ill manage
[16:28] <megaproxy> i think ill get a friend to manage power
[16:28] <megaproxy> :D
[16:30] * shiftplusone rethinks getting web services from megaproxy =p
[16:30] <megaproxy> i can manage the networking etc fine, just not power
[16:30] * IT_Sean does as well
[16:30] <megaproxy> tbh tho, i can probably figure it out if i sat down and read stuff
[16:31] * IT_Sean hands megaproxy a chair, and some reading material
[16:31] * megaproxy is too tired for that today
[16:31] <megaproxy> I saw Sean Lock lastnight, was hillarious
[16:31] * IT_Sean hands megaproxy coffee
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[16:34] <shiftplusone> megaproxy, if you want to do it right but don't have the time or will to learn, then getting somebody else to do it is not a bad idea. However, the worst you can do is kill a pi or two. You'll need a transistor, a relay and a resistor for each pi to allows remote turning off. However, if you just want to trigger a remote reboot, it's a lot simpler.
[16:35] <megaproxy> id prefer a remote turn off, incase something locked up on one
[16:35] <megaproxy> but obv if its hard to do, ill do it the other way
[16:35] <IT_Sean> I prefer Option B: When someone asks for a reboot, tell 'em to buy a plane ticket
[16:35] <megaproxy> haha
[16:35] <shiftplusone> If it locks up, you can still reboot without too much circuitry.
[16:36] <shiftplusone> There's a way to reset through gpio
[16:36] <shiftplusone> So you just need a way to short two pins... I forget which.
[16:36] <IT_Sean> Use one raspi to selectively reboot the rest via GPIO?
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[16:36] <megaproxy> hmmm
[16:36] <IT_Sean> i.e. have a "master" Pi, that can reboot all the "customer" pis
[16:37] * megaproxy takes notes
[16:37] <shiftplusone> megaproxy, I'd bug gordon for advice.
[16:38] <IT_Sean> Either that, or Option C: When any one user requests a reboot, you power cycle the whole rack. Then you publicly post the name, telephone number, and address of the person that initiated the request. After about a month, requests will stop coming in.
[16:39] <megaproxy> hah
[16:39] <megaproxy> i like option c
[16:39] <megaproxy> ill take that one please bob
[16:39] <shiftplusone> But the way I see it working is a few gpio expander chips connected to the master pi, then each pi having a switching transistor on the reset pins connected to the gpio expander... then the rest can be done in software.
[16:40] <ShadowJK> I've had accounts on machines where I've wished option C had been used
[16:40] <megaproxy> http://rpi.tnet.com/home/files/rpi-resetbutton.png
[16:41] <shiftplusone> yup, except you'd use a transistor in place of the switch (and you'd need a resistor on the base of the transistor as well).
[16:41] <megaproxy> yea was looking for the gpio pins to use :D
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[16:44] <shiftplusone> megaproxy, actually the proper way to do it is through P6 (http://raspi.tv/2012/making-a-reset-switch-for-your-rev-2-raspberry-pi)
[16:45] <gordonDrogon> connect a gpio pin to 0v - make it an output and set it high. that'll reboot the pi.
[16:45] <gordonDrogon> not recommended.
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[16:46] <gordonDrogon> although there is one such pin already connected like that under the Pi itself - the SD present pin.
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[16:47] <gordonDrogon> I'd probably do it via a big bank of relays though - so you have individual power control over each Pi.
[16:47] <gordonDrogon> then a master Pi controlling the bank of relays.
[16:47] <IT_Sean> ^ that
[16:48] * shiftplusone checks where P6 is connected to.
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[16:49] <megaproxy> http://i.ebayimg.com/t/MODUDO-RELE-8-CANALI-5V-PER-ARDUINO-8051-PIC-ARM-AVR-DSP-/00/s/NTAwWDUwMA==/$%28KGrHqJ,!oIE-up4SwtHBP5E2PERIw~~60_12.JPG < these?
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[16:52] <shiftplusone> bah,m don't see it on the schematic, but I am pretty sure those pins are there specifically to allow safe reset by shorting them.
[16:53] <IT_Sean> On a mostly unrelated sbjct: What does the pi do with the "there is an SD card in the slot" pin?
[16:53] <maxinux> i believe nothing
[16:53] <IT_Sean> nice.
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[16:54] <shiftplusone> gordonDrogon, ah, found it. First sheet, at the bottom, in the middle. http://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Raspberry-Pi-R2.0-Schematics-Issue2.2_027.pdf
[16:54] <shiftplusone> gordonDrogon, no need for relays then, right?
[16:55] <shiftplusone> Already has a pull up and it's debounced too.
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[16:55] <megaproxy> i could go the mecanical route
[16:55] <megaproxy> paper clips on motors haha
[16:56] <megaproxy> that move to reset when needed
[16:56] <megaproxy> BODGE!
[16:56] <IT_Sean>
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[16:56] <IT_Sean> paper clips. ...on motors.
[16:56] <megaproxy> yeaaaa bro
[16:56] * IT_Sean sighs. -_-
[16:56] <megaproxy> haha
[16:56] <megaproxy> i wouldnt do it coz its stupid
[16:56] <megaproxy> but it *would* would
[16:56] <megaproxy> uh
[16:56] <megaproxy> work*
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[17:02] <gordonDrogon> The reset pin on P6 - doesn't need relays - this is true. depends on the need to power cycle Pi's though rather than/as well as reset.
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[17:05] <IT_Sean> What about using a single raspi, with a GPIO expander, to control a bank of 5v relays, through which the production pis are powered?
[17:05] <Encrypt> What are you talking about ? :)
[17:06] <IT_Sean> Encrypt: remote powercycling one raspi in a rack of colocated raspis
[17:06] <shiftplusone> Well, that seems to be the solution if you need to be able to turn them off rather than restart them.
[17:06] <IT_Sean> I think he wants to be able to turn them off and back on again.
[17:06] <Encrypt> powercycling?
[17:06] <Encrypt> That is to say switch on / off?
[17:06] <IT_Sean> Yes
[17:06] <IT_Sean> Remotely.
[17:07] <shiftplusone> Yeah, but he thinks he can kill himself with 5v, so how complicated do you want to make it?
[17:07] <IT_Sean> shiftplusone: only if he is a complete idiot. :p
[17:07] <shiftplusone> Lol, why so abusive today? >_<
[17:07] * IT_Sean shrugs :p
[17:08] <IT_Sean> I mean, this IS megaproxy we're talking about. But, even as such, i think my solution would be safe enough.
[17:08] <Encrypt> This seems to me simple...
[17:08] <Encrypt> Rather simple...
[17:08] <IT_Sean> oooohkay Encrypt... wots your solution?
[17:09] * shiftplusone rolls a drum across.
[17:09] <Encrypt> Using mosfets, controlled thanks to on RPi GPIO
[17:09] <Encrypt> one*
[17:10] <steveccc> has the latest version of raspbian have sshd enabled by default?
[17:10] <Encrypt> Yep ;)
[17:10] <shiftplusone> steveccc, yessir
[17:10] <IT_Sean> yes
[17:10] <steveccc> thats why i cant find the file I am after :)
[17:10] * IT_Sean does not see the appeal of colocating a raspi, tbh
[17:10] <steveccc> it_sean: was that for me?
[17:11] <IT_Sean> steveccc: what was for you?
[17:11] <shiftplusone> Ah, steveccc... always has to make everything about him.
[17:11] <IT_Sean> steveccc: Not everything is about you.
[17:11] <steveccc> the comment about colocating a raspi
[17:11] <IT_Sean> No, it was not.
[17:11] <shiftplusone> steveccc, previous conversation =p
[17:11] <steveccc> i am all self consious now :)
[17:11] <Encrypt> Or, let's say a RPi wichi would always be on...
[17:11] <Encrypt> which*
[17:11] <Encrypt> Running a web server / mail server...
[17:12] <steveccc> does it run well as a web server - including reasonably heavy mysql use?
[17:12] <Encrypt> Hum...
[17:12] <Encrypt> Mine is running Nginx with static content...
[17:13] <Encrypt> And perfectly :)
[17:13] <steveccc> i am just setting up my pi on the sdcard - will plug it into the pi later - I have configured networking and obviously ssh is now enabled - is there anything else I can configure or am I best plugging it in and doing the rest live on the command line?
[17:13] <shiftplusone> steveccc, I don't see it handling the memory requirements of mysql too well. There are probably ways to optimize it though.
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[17:14] <shiftplusone> steveccc, if you have ssh, you can configure everything you need to.
[17:14] <Encrypt> "is there [...] doing the rest live on the command line" // WHat do you mean?
[17:14] <Encrypt> I agree with shiftplusone
[17:14] <Encrypt> steveccc, Just have fun now...
[17:15] <Encrypt> What are you pallning to do with it?
[17:15] <steveccc> shiftplusone: was more asking as a timesaving exercise - definitely want to configure vncserver but will have to do that live
[17:15] <Encrypt> planning* (>.<)
[17:15] <shiftplusone> steveccc, ssh IS 'live'. You can configure vnc as well.
[17:16] <steveccc> shiftplusone: sorry i meant ssh on my laptop into the sdcard in the usb slot.
[17:16] <Encrypt> IT_Sean, BTW, I'm thinking about something...
[17:16] <shiftplusone> O_o
[17:16] <steveccc> what about the different memory maps - I believe you can alter the splt between cpu and gpu either 50 50 or more to the cpu etc
[17:16] <Encrypt> IT_Sean, How many RPis do you want to control?
[17:17] <IT_Sean> I don't want to control any.
[17:17] <shiftplusone> Ok, this channel is too confused now. I'll be off until order is restored.
[17:17] <IT_Sean> shiftplusone: Order? ORDER? THIS IS #RASPBERRYPI!!!!!!
[17:17] <Encrypt> Who was it then? :p
[17:18] <IT_Sean> megaproxy.
[17:18] <megaproxy> yoyo
[17:18] * megaproxy just popped out for a cig
[17:18] <IT_Sean> that's disgusting.
[17:18] <megaproxy> im sorry :(
[17:18] <Encrypt> megaproxy, How many Pis do you need to control? :)
[17:18] <Darkwell> hey stop steveccc , why do you say ppl may want vnc ????
[17:19] <megaproxy> many
[17:19] <megaproxy> not sure how many yet, but more than 10?
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[17:19] <Encrypt> How many does "many" do ? :p
[17:19] <steveccc> shiftplusone: can i pm you
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[17:19] <megaproxy> Encrypt: http://i.imgur.com/7RpTY.png
[17:20] <IT_Sean> 32 pis to a rack?
[17:20] <shiftplusone> steveccc, as long as you intend to make sense =D
[17:20] <megaproxy> ill need to load up the render file so i can see how many would fit in
[17:20] <megaproxy> there is room for a few more in that pic
[17:20] <megaproxy> but i left the space there for other things like switch
[17:21] <IT_Sean> shiftplusone, again... this is #raspberrypi. You cannot come here and expect people to make sense.
[17:21] <Encrypt> The circuit might be similar to my RPi Saver
[17:21] <Encrypt> similar as*
[17:21] <Encrypt> With mosfets controlling mosfets...
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[17:25] <megaproxy> do you have any pics or anything?
[17:25] <Encrypt> Need to create the circuit...
[17:26] <Encrypt> Moreover, how would you power then?
[17:26] <megaproxy> idk, ive litterally planned the case
[17:26] <megaproxy> still figuring out the rest
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[17:26] <Encrypt> The best would be to have a "main" power unit
[17:26] <Encrypt> And not buying 32 power adapters...
[17:27] <IT_Sean> D'uh.
[17:27] <megaproxy> http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSJ4ihJ2brcf0XzOxQ57TccB6knz7llsxpw_QnhXeNeqgIEfllAEw
[17:27] <megaproxy> need something like that
[17:28] <Encrypt> Ya
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[17:28] <megaproxy> shame it costs $700
[17:28] <megaproxy> somehow
[17:28] <Encrypt> :p
[17:28] <megaproxy> how hard would it be to make something like that
[17:30] <Encrypt> Not that hard...
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[17:30] <Encrypt> The biggest part of the work is to make the circuit...
[17:31] <megaproxy> thats the worst part
[17:31] <Encrypt> Or maybe buying 32 RPi Savers and hacking the circuit...
[17:31] <Encrypt> It might work too :p
[17:31] <megaproxy> rpi savers?
[17:31] <daveaway> making circuits i make a mistake and instinctively reach for an undo button
[17:31] <daveaway> it's a really weird feeling
[17:32] <daveaway> ltspice megaproxy if you dont have it already
[17:32] <Encrypt> megaproxy, A circuit made to protect the RPi during power cuts / comes with "On-Off" and "Restart" button
[17:32] <IT_Sean> daveaway: have you ever found yourself saying "Crap! Edit undo! EDIT UNDO!" outloud?
[17:32] <megaproxy> this is what i need: http://imgur.com/a/FGf3z
[17:32] <daveaway> nah, it's more my hand reaches for a non-existent button in panic
[17:33] <daveaway> 'its okay i can un... noooooooo'
[17:33] <IT_Sean> :p
[17:33] <megaproxy> http://www.amazon.co.uk/DIGIFLEX-Ports-High-Speed-Laptop/dp/B0045IU152/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1370619212&sr=8-4&keywords=24+port+usb boom :D
[17:34] <megaproxy> i wonder if its like my crappy usb hub that needs to be plugged into a pc in order to even power on
[17:35] <steveccc> does anyone overclock their pi - is it fairly safe or only to be done in extreme circumstances
[17:35] <IT_Sean> ;s fairly safe
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[17:35] <IT_Sean> * 's fairly safe
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[17:36] <ozzzy> well... I'm about C'd out
[17:37] <Encrypt> Do need to underclock mine...
[17:38] <IT_Sean> underclock?
[17:38] <IT_Sean> why?
[17:39] <Encrypt> It's hot and idels 99% of the time
[17:39] <Encrypt> idles*
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[17:41] <ozzzy> what do you think is hot
[17:41] <Encrypt> 50 °C
[17:41] <ozzzy> that's normal
[17:41] <Encrypt> For normal use, most users get 40 °C
[17:42] <Encrypt> But I don't have a good RPi Case
[17:42] <Encrypt> It's an acrylic one, with almost no air flow holes...
[17:43] <megaproxy> i bodged my RS shipping case
[17:43] <ozzzy> same as mine...
[17:43] <ozzzy> 47C
[17:43] <megaproxy> it worked really well haha
[17:43] <megaproxy> http://i.imgur.com/CB50J.jpg
[17:43] <megaproxy> using blutac like a pro
[17:44] <ozzzy> Encrypt: what does the command /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd measure_temp give you
[17:44] <Encrypt> 50 °C
[17:44] <ozzzy> k... not an issue then
[17:44] <Encrypt> Do need a Pi Holder case...
[17:44] <Encrypt> Perfect for server use...
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[17:45] <ozzzy> one of the open cases would be better
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[17:46] <Encrypt> ozzzy, The PiHolder / Iceberg case are the best to cool the RPi
[17:46] <Encrypt> It's expensive but it does its job (and it's a "shiny" case :p)
[17:46] <ozzzy> did you read the tests on heat sinks?
[17:46] <Encrypt> Ya, it seems it's useless
[17:46] <ozzzy> yep
[17:47] <ozzzy> the piholder would do me no good
[17:47] <daveaway> is there a step by step tutorial on how to load what ive just done onto the pi?
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[17:48] <Encrypt> But the PiHolder case would drive the temperature back to 30 / 35 °C
[17:48] <Encrypt> 20 °C less
[17:48] <ozzzy> there's nothing wrong with 50
[17:49] <Encrypt> I'm not quite sure about that when you power it 24/24
[17:49] <ozzzy> 50.. 60... 70
[17:49] <Encrypt> I think it's better to keep it cool to make its life longer
[17:49] <ozzzy> even running 24/7 if it's not hot enough to start throttling
[17:50] <ozzzy> what are you going to be doing that's so cpu intensive
[17:50] <nid0> fwiw...
[17:50] <nid0> root@raspberrypi:~# /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd measure_temp
[17:50] <nid0> temp=47.6'C
[17:50] <nid0> root@raspberrypi:~# uptime
[17:50] <nid0> 15:50:20 up 45 days, 21:09, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.05
[17:51] <ozzzy> yep... that's where mine sits
[17:51] <Encrypt> Mokay...
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[17:51] <nid0> if its below 70, you have nothing to concern yourself about whatsoever
[17:51] <Encrypt> nid0, Did you try underclocking?
[17:51] <ozzzy> that's just silly
[17:51] <Encrypt> Why would it be when we can see "load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.05"
[17:52] <ozzzy> why bother
[17:52] <Encrypt> Using the a good governor... it would save power & heat
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[17:52] <gordonDrogon> maybe I ought to put one of my Pi's online - as in on a public facing IP address.
[17:52] <Encrypt> (prevent heat)
[17:52] <gordonDrogon> not sure what I'd put on it though.
[17:52] <gordonDrogon> but I have a spare IP address at home..
[17:52] <Encrypt> gordonDrogon, Just put a honey pot :p
[17:52] <gordonDrogon> could do!
[17:52] <Encrypt> For the lulz
[17:52] <ozzzy> well... you're not going to have any measurable effect on the entropy of the universe one way or the other
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[18:23] <daveaway> i wish the pi came out 4 years ago
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[18:23] <shiftplusone> Hell, make it 2000 years ago.
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[18:25] <Encrypt> shiftplusone, Impossible, there wouldn't be electricity... :p
[18:25] <daveaway> if you watch ancient aliens, you'll find there was
[18:25] <daveaway> XD
[18:25] <Encrypt> :p
[18:25] <IT_Sean> *ItsAliens.gif*
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[18:28] <JakeSays> gordonDrogon: i'm going to put my mousetrap online once i get it finished
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[18:36] <Darkwell> for you who want to run "headless" on your rPI raspbian , forget about vnc. xorg is installed on your device , use it ! If you are on windows install putty and xming
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[18:37] <Darkwell> if you use osx/linux things should work out of the box
[18:37] <JakeSays> Darkwell: why forget about vnc? it works perfectly
[18:37] <Darkwell> extra space for no reason at all
[18:37] <Darkwell> on the rPI
[18:37] <JakeSays> thats not at all true
[18:37] <JakeSays> vnc is very easy to use
[18:37] <Darkwell> vnc is just sam extra nonsens as the x11 already provides for you
[18:38] <JakeSays> xorg/xming/putty trio isnt
[18:38] <Darkwell> yes it is
[18:38] <Darkwell> ssh -Y ... dnoe
[18:38] <JakeSays> riiight
[18:38] <Encrypt> Darkwell, Ya
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[18:38] <Encrypt> X.org tunneling...
[18:38] <Darkwell> can get harder... for no reason also
[18:39] <Encrypt> But the command line is also fine, uh? :)
[18:39] <JakeSays> vnc is a perfectly viable solution.
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[18:39] <Darkwell> so vnc seems to me installing extra service on the rPI for no reason because xorg is already there for you do use
[18:39] <JakeSays> Encrypt: and yeah, most of what i do is via the shell anyway
[18:40] <Darkwell> i have been using vnc to , but i dont recomend that way anymore
[18:40] <JakeSays> Darkwell: if you're a novice vnc is a ton easier to use. dont discourage people.
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[18:40] <Darkwell> nah
[18:40] <Darkwell> vnc should be removed
[18:40] <Darkwell> since its insecure
[18:40] <Darkwell> simpe to crack access to etc
[18:40] <JakeSays> so have you written a howto on xorg/xming/putty?
[18:40] <Darkwell> unless you tubel it through putty
[18:40] <Darkwell> and there you are almost with xming then
[18:41] <Darkwell> unfortunately i dont have any windows box available myself so tutorial has to wait
[18:41] <Darkwell> but i cant really say that its hard to make xming to operate for you
[18:42] <JakeSays> ok then until you can provide a documented alternative stop discouraging vnc's use.
[18:42] <nid0> what an odd conversation
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[18:42] <nid0> random guy finds new, different way to do random thing, derides the old way as awful, insists all existance of it be removed
[18:42] <Darkwell> perhaps we should run a double blind test
[18:43] <shiftplusone> Darkwell, why do you care what people use?
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[18:43] <IT_Sean> JakeSays: Darkwell is free to express his opinion.
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[18:43] <JakeSays> nid0: yeah and other random guy says "hey dont be so absolute until you can provide a documented alternative"
[18:43] <Darkwell> my opinion is why do youw ant to install extra programs on the rPI ??+
[18:43] <shiftplusone> But then you have to install xming and putty on the pc.... O_o
[18:43] <nid0> because thats basically what computers are for
[18:44] <Darkwell> when it already works out of the box
[18:44] <JakeSays> Darkwell: because i have two of them and lots of space to burn :p
[18:44] <Darkwell> you have to install vnc on both windows machin and rPI
[18:44] <Darkwell> touch much at the rPIinstead of only instal at the win box and not really
[18:45] <shiftplusone> who cares? The space use is insignificant.
[18:45] <Darkwell> i mean if you have to use ssh ( implies person already runs putty ior similar )
[18:45] <Darkwell> then install vnc on rPI , install vnc on windows , configure both rPI and windows
[18:45] <Darkwell> meaning if you get to murphys law
[18:46] <JakeSays> i have gigabytes of useless stuff on my pi.
[18:46] <Darkwell> there are mor loose details that goes wrong
[18:46] <JakeSays> hey murphy was an optimist
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[18:46] <Darkwell> than if you only have to instal one program at one place extra in addition to putty
[18:46] <Darkwell> not talking about what you store in your disk
[18:47] <Darkwell> talking about actions a user has to do and how many steps they go through before getting the effect they look for
[18:47] <IT_Sean> Darkwell: and if that user wants to do those "ectra" steps, that's up to them.
[18:47] <Darkwell> if xming is less amount steps it means less likelyhood to fail because of fewwer steps
[18:47] <Encrypt> Hum... My computer freezed and I had to reboot...
[18:48] <Encrypt> Now, there is a ghost user on my Pi...
[18:48] <Darkwell> sure ppl can so extra steps if they like to
[18:48] <Darkwell> but why sugest the "longer" distance that maye isnt easier either ?
[18:48] <Encrypt> I imagine the only way to make it go is to reboot the Pi...
[18:49] <Darkwell> if a shorter distance is found, maybe one should recoment that in fist place and forget about the other routes
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[18:53] <shiftplusone> Darkwell, http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/1960/differences-between-vnc-and-ssh-x here are some reasons why vnc is better.
[18:53] <nid0> by my count its actually less steps to get vnc going than to forward x, install putty & xming, and get a connection up. tightvncserver on the pi + viewer on windows is also a smaller download in total than xming on its own, not including putty
[18:54] <shiftplusone> It is definitely less steps to set up vnc.
[18:54] <Darkwell> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-xV5HRBtQI
[18:54] <Darkwell> video on installing xming and putty and run commands
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[18:54] <Darkwell> seems not that much more than vnc
[18:54] <JakeSays> not much more is still more
[18:54] <Darkwell> i e3ven think its less
[18:55] <Darkwell> check the video
[18:55] <Darkwell> i dont own windows so I cant tell for sure
[18:55] <JakeSays> but the single biggest reason for running vnc for me is a vnc session persists across connections
[18:55] <JakeSays> which is *huge*
[18:56] <Darkwell> VNC exports a whole session, desktop and all, while ssh will run a single program and show its windows on your workstation.
[18:56] <Darkwell> not valid at all
[18:56] <JakeSays> yes i want desktop and all
[18:56] <Darkwell> that argument depends on what configuration you did on xorg
[18:56] <JakeSays> most definitely
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[18:56] <Darkwell> so if a distro wat to support headless usage they could add config(s) för this
[18:56] <JakeSays> having a single window exported is counter intuitive to the desktop model
[18:56] <Darkwell> detaching argument is also not valid
[18:57] <Darkwell> vnc is jsut another x11 server
[18:57] <Darkwell> so why run 2 ??
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[18:57] <JakeSays> because the 2nd one is better?
[18:57] <JakeSays> how is the detaching argument not valid?
[18:58] <Darkwell> so http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/1960/differences-between-vnc-and-ssh-x is not true , its only true for "default" use
[18:58] <shiftplusone> And you are basic your argument on the number of steps....
[18:58] <JakeSays> yes well again, most (if not all) novices are going to go with the default
[18:58] <nid0> so you have to reconfigure x to add in the extra functionality thats there by default
[18:58] <nid0> ie more steps
[18:58] <Darkwell> if you enter the config of vnc you can make it work similar as to xorg
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[18:58] <nid0> when vnc is less steps even at default
[18:58] <Darkwell> but you can do the other direction to
[18:58] <Darkwell> yes
[18:58] <shiftplusone> Though I think the number of steps is a bloody stupid metric to determine which is better.
[18:59] <Darkwell> but if the raspbian devels install smoe extra szcripts
[18:59] <Darkwell> and configs
[18:59] <Darkwell> the rPI would have same behaviour out of the box without extra configs
[18:59] <nid0> so x is less steps "if" the distro comes preconfigured?
[18:59] <Darkwell> so that reduces the need to have any vnc
[18:59] <nid0> you know they could also just preinstall and configure vnc right?
[18:59] <shiftplusone> Or.... we can stick to what works....
[18:59] <Darkwell> meaning
[19:00] <Darkwell> woth windows and linux users can per default get same behaviour
[19:00] <Darkwell> and therefore get more or less platform independent look/feel
[19:00] <Darkwell> so there are more gains not to use vnc on the long run
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[19:01] <Darkwell> and configure x properly with the included xorg
[19:01] <Darkwell> thats what defines a distro isnt it ?
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[19:01] <nid0> yeah, because you cant get vnc viewers for every operating system ever made or anything
[19:01] <nid0> clearly tightly locked into one platform there
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[19:02] <JakeSays> nid0: so i guess my dream of using trs-dos for a vnc client is never going to happen :(
[19:02] <Darkwell> hehe
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[19:03] <Darkwell> anyways so I think that adding proper conf and behaviour to support complete session for headless usage in raspbian more appealing than doing it yourself stuff by installing vnc on it..
[19:03] <Darkwell> if a windows user wants to do headess they have to sintall at least one program no matter what
[19:03] <Darkwell> so therefore thay can use xming and putty
[19:03] <shiftplusone> Darkwell, then fork it and see if that idea takes off.
[19:04] <Darkwell> maybe
[19:04] <Darkwell> i dont have any means to test it more than on my linux machines
[19:04] <shiftplusone> Then find people who don't think it's pointless to help you.
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[19:05] <Darkwell> ill do it myself when i got time for it
[19:05] <Darkwell> ive done similar solutions before when i was a student
[19:05] <Darkwell> then there was not vnc =)
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[19:17] <defaultro> hey folks, I will buy a pi sometime this month. I would like to read up ahead of time about how to install an operating system. Can you please share some links I can read about how to install it? I'm familiar with linux
[19:18] <IT_Sean> have you read any of the how-to information in the raspi wiki? or on the raspi website? or in the raspi forum?
[19:18] <linuxstb> defaultro: Start at http://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads
[19:18] <defaultro> ok
[19:18] <ozzzy> basically... stick the SD card in your computer's slot and install the image
[19:18] <shiftplusone> http://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/quick-start-guide-v2.pdf
[19:18] <IT_Sean> ^ that
[19:18] <defaultro> ah, I need to buy an SD card
[19:19] <IT_Sean> Yes, you will need an SD card
[19:19] <defaultro> got it
[19:19] <shiftplusone> And a raspberry pi
[19:19] <IT_Sean> You will then need to write an OS image to that SD card using your computer
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[19:19] <IT_Sean> You will then need to stick that SD card into a raspi, and power it on
[19:19] <linuxstb> Yes, and a power suppliy, and perhaps a keyboard/mouse/monitor, and a case, and a camera module, and …..
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[19:19] <IT_Sean> all that.
[19:19] <IT_Sean> yes.
[19:20] <defaultro> when I buy the Pi, does it come with power supply?
[19:20] <JakeSays> no
[19:20] <defaultro> oh ok
[19:21] <JakeSays> it comes with bubble wrap
[19:21] <defaultro> so any usb power suplly will be fine
[19:21] <shiftplusone> If you buy a pi, all you get is a pi. Many distributors sell bundles which include other things.
[19:21] <defaultro> maybe even my phone charger will work
[19:21] <defaultro> it's 5v+
[19:21] <shiftplusone> defaultro, any that can provide 5v up to about 1A.
[19:21] <defaultro> or does pi require a different power?
[19:21] <defaultro> cool
[19:21] <JakeSays> defaultro: i use apple phone chargers
[19:21] <nid0> most phone chargers should work fine as long as its not a dodgy one
[19:22] <defaultro> nice, I don;t need to buy ps then :)
[19:22] <nid0> you just need one that supplies 700mA ish, reliably
[19:22] <defaultro> k
[19:22] <Encrypt> defaultro, A powered USB hub ;)
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[19:22] <Encrypt> defaultro, What are you planning to do with it?
[19:22] <defaultro> i don't know yet :)
[19:22] <defaultro> something cool maybe
[19:22] <shiftplusone> That would be cool
[19:23] <defaultro> hehehe
[19:23] <Encrypt> Because mine is powered thanks to my HDD Station which includes a 3.0 USB Hub
[19:23] <defaultro> maybe, i'll use it as a sprinkler timer :D
[19:23] <Encrypt> That is to say I plugged the HDD station on the Pi, installed a WD Green 1To HDD
[19:23] <defaultro> or maybe, use it to control a motor so it can open and close our curtain
[19:24] <Encrypt> Two USB keys on the front, containing 2 websites
[19:24] <Encrypt> And the last USB Port is used to power the RPi
[19:24] <defaultro> buying it from Amazon will be fine right? Or do you have any recommended online store?
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[19:24] <Encrypt> You won't need a USB Hub / HDD Station then... :p
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[19:25] <defaultro> or maybe, I can build an HTPC. Is it powerful enough to be able to play 1080p videos?
[19:25] <IT_Sean> The raspi? Yes.
[19:25] <IT_Sean> I do it all the time
[19:25] <defaultro> ok
[19:26] <IT_Sean> If you want to build an HTPC, i would recommend you run OpenELEC
[19:26] <defaultro> it connects to a network share?
[19:26] <defaultro> cool
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[19:28] <defaultro> brb, grabbing lunch :)
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[19:30] <asaru> IT_Sean, you using a 512 pi for that?
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[19:30] <asaru> i've had problems with all 3 xbmc distros, and on a 256 pi it just runs so slow, sure it can play 1080 videos fine but the menu navigation is so laggy
[19:31] <asaru> i was curious if any of that is better on a 512 pi
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[19:31] <IT_Sean> asaru: Yeah.
[19:31] <IT_Sean> I am.
[19:31] <asaru> and how does it perform?
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[19:32] <IT_Sean> The only issue i have had is a 1080p video with a subtitle track. I've had to turn off subtitles. ...which i would have done anyway, as they are bloody annoying.
[19:32] <asaru> but the menus in xbmc are quick and responsive?
[19:32] <IT_Sean> Yes
[19:33] <asaru> part of my problem might be that my movie collection is absurdly large
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[19:33] <asaru> but i've only got 2 256 pis and i am pretty close to scrapping the whole idea and just building an x86 machine for that
[19:34] <IT_Sean> Try a 512 pi
[19:34] <asaru> i might have to do that
[19:34] <asaru> and you run OE
[19:34] <IT_Sean> I'm running a bone stock OpenELEC install, yeah.
[19:34] <IT_Sean> Reading movies off a locally connected HDD
[19:34] <asaru> i see
[19:35] <asaru> i've tried usb external but i had some weird issue where i couldnt get good transfer speeds to it, be it over the net or over lan
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[19:35] <IT_Sean> odd
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[19:35] <asaru> it would cap out at like 50k/s no matter where i was sending files from
[19:35] <asaru> i checked for noatime and it was set that way already, so that wasnt the issue
[19:36] <asaru> i got a new larger external and have it on my pc in the office, pi gets stuff over smb
[19:36] <asaru> runs a bit smoother now but still the navigation is horrendous
[19:37] <asaru> im also wondering if my power supply on that pi may be causing problems, i was getting sd card errors for a while, with both xbian and OE
[19:37] <asaru> but i replaced that with a nice class 10 32gb
[19:37] <asaru> and havent had any problems so far
[19:37] <asaru> its running raspbmc now, and seems relatively stable
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[19:38] <asaru> also with xbian i had an issue where it wouldnt scrape tv shows properly, which is why i scrapped that one
[19:38] <asaru> but im wondering if its just too much in the db for it to handle, im throwing like 10TB of media at it
[19:39] <asaru> between the external and the stuff i have local on my machine
[19:40] <asaru> anyways i'll try a 512 and if that doesnt work nice i may have to scrap the whole idea of pi as htpc
[19:40] <IT_Sean> Mine works pretty dammed well.
[19:40] <asaru> i really wanted to get it to run stable enough to use as dvr with a usb tuner card
[19:41] <megaproxy> i need a new car :(
[19:42] * SpeedEvil needs to be able to physically pass the test.
[19:42] <IT_Sean> what test?
[19:42] <SpeedEvil> driving
[19:42] <IT_Sean> What country do you live in?
[19:43] <SpeedEvil> UK
[19:43] <IT_Sean> ouch.
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[19:43] <IT_Sean> That's one of the harder ones, by my understanding.
[19:43] <SpeedEvil> not so easy if you get extremely tired halfway through.
[19:44] <IT_Sean> Why are you so tired?
[19:44] <SpeedEvil> chronic fatigue syndrome.
[19:44] <malcom2073> Gotta love the USA. Barely even a test in my state, no wonder we have so many bad drivers heh
[19:44] <IT_Sean> ooh.
[19:44] <asaru> right, i barely had a test either
[19:44] <IT_Sean> yeah malcom2073. The american driving test is far too easy.
[19:45] <asaru> my sister's test adminstrator fell asleep during her test, he passed her so he wouldnt get in trouble
[19:45] <asaru> she's an awful driver
[19:45] <malcom2073> IT_Sean: In my state You have to drive forwards, backwards, make a left turn, and parallel park. That's IT. In a closed soruce.
[19:45] <malcom2073> course*
[19:45] <asaru> wow
[19:45] <asaru> i had to drive around a bit, and that was it
[19:45] <asaru> didnt have to parallel park
[19:45] <ozzzy> it's all out on the street here
[19:45] <IT_Sean> malcom2073: mine was the same, but on a public road (usually a quiet side road)
[19:45] <JakeSays> last time i took a driving test i studied like crazy.. while standing in line to take the test.
[19:45] <asaru> yeah i had to drive out on the street with traffic and whatnot
[19:45] <Encrypt> malcom2073, Hidden joke? :p
[19:46] <malcom2073> Encrypt: Been talking source all morning :P
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[19:46] <Encrypt> "That's IT" :p
[19:46] <IT_Sean> I also learned that doing a 360 handbrake slide into a parallel parking space does NOT count as a pass.
[19:46] <malcom2073> Oh
[19:46] <malcom2073> haha
[19:46] <asaru> you should pass on that merit alone
[19:46] <asaru> :P
[19:46] <malcom2073> Agreed
[19:46] * IT_Sean git his license on the first go, despite that.
[19:47] <IT_Sean> *got
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[19:47] <nid0> to think, I had to actually prove I can actually drive, on roads and everything, for my driving test
[19:47] <asaru> i grew up farming, driving trucks already at 12 years old, never took a test until i was older
[19:47] <IT_Sean> I argued that "Technically, as per the requirements of the test, the vehicle is midway between the cones, and no more than 4 inches from the curb"
[19:47] <asaru> never had a license until i was like 22
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[19:48] <Encrypt> I got mine when I was18 \o/
[19:48] <asaru> i just never needed one until i left the state
[19:48] <IT_Sean> You get 'em at 16 here... which scares the willies out of me, as it means my cousin is now driving.
[19:48] <asaru> yeah here too
[19:49] <IT_Sean> permit at 15, full license at 16.
[19:49] <Encrypt> Because employers like it...
[19:49] <IT_Sean> it's mental.
[19:49] <asaru> you get a learners permit at 15 which allows you to drive with a licensed driver in the passenger seat
[19:49] <asaru> take your test at 16
[19:50] <Encrypt> In France, you have to be 18 minimum to take the exam
[19:51] <asaru> yeah im sure its different all over.. here a lot of people just shouldnt be allowed yet are
[19:51] <asaru> the roads are full of terrible drivers
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[19:51] <asaru> thats probably true of everwhere too though
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[19:52] <IT_Sean> Ariuynd here, most of the really terrible drivers fall victim to the ditch at the side of the road.
[19:52] <IT_Sean> :p
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[19:54] <asaru> lol
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[21:02] <DJ_Sweetums> Been looking for someting to do with my rPi and, while I wait, grabbed up RaspBMC. It's awesome! But I'm having trouble with Hulu booting me out after a commercial using Hulu Plus. Anyone know anything about that?
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[21:03] <fongseiyuc> Hi. I bought a RPI r. 2 today. And a HDMI to VGA. Are there known issues of no Screen with HDMI to VGA adapters ?
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[21:04] <gryphraff> fonseiyuc: Have you tried that adapter on a different device? Say a disc player?
[21:04] <DJ_Sweetums> fongseiyuc: I didn't think HDMI had analog video out
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[21:05] <IT_Sean> It doesn't
[21:05] <gryphraff> It doesn't it's probably got some small amount of circuitry in it.
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[21:05] <DJ_Sweetums> Ah. Well for what it's worth my HDMI->DVI adapter works well enough
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[21:06] <gryphraff> From what I understand about DVI/HDMI, those are pretty much the same thing sans connector
[21:06] <fongseiyuc> DJ_Sweetums, http://tinyurl.com/o356wm4 <-- link to the Ebay Site i bought it from
[21:06] <ozzzy> it'll have to have some circuitry to match digital to analog
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[21:07] <ozzzy> dvi has no audio
[21:07] <DJ_Sweetums> ah yeah one of those…hmm…I haven't used one in a long while, and not from HDMI :/
[21:07] <fongseiyuc> ozzzy, its HDMI to VGA
[21:08] <fongseiyuc> Hmmm
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[21:10] <fongseiyuc> DJ_Sweetums, did you have to supply the adapter with extra Power ?
[21:10] <fongseiyuc> since it has Audio and MiniUSB interface
[21:10] <DJ_Sweetums> fongseiyuc: I didn't, but I have noticed the RPi is a bit finicky for some stuff. At least with RaspBMC it doesn't auto-detect USB connections, for instance
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[21:13] <fongseiyuc> DJ_Sweetums, which OS/Dist could cover such issues ?
[21:13] <DJ_Sweetums> fongseiyuc: I haven't tested anything other than the HDMI/DVI connector and some USB devices on my RPi, but it was Raspbian and NOOBS and RaspBNC
[21:13] <taza> Feels weird, having my RPi only have HDMI connected
[21:14] <taza> (and yes it's on)
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[21:17] <taza> IT_Sean: Answer: It WILL have RaspBMC run when plugged into nuffin but the Ansmann Powerbank
[21:17] <mwlang> When attempting to boot wheezy within qemu, I'm getting a Kernal panic - not syncing: Fatal exception in interrupt during the boot up process. any ideas?
[21:18] <mwlang> I'm following this guide, but with latest 2013-05-25 wheezy and qemu installed via home-brew on a mac: http://xecdesign.com/qemu-emulating-raspberry-pi-the-easy-way/
[21:18] <taza> I'd have to run a more extensive test to see how long it lasts, but it's been running for everal minutes
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[21:20] <taza> The supplied cable is AWFUL though
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[21:23] <gryphraff> I'd like to interject a piece of wisdom that I just gained: When running cron scripts, cron does not appear to inherit the entire $PATH. find out what your entire path is, and set PATH= to it at the beginning of your script.
[21:23] <gryphraff> That was brought to you by hours of wha.....???????
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[21:24] <rtcg72a> hi, is there an emulator for the pi?
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[21:27] <gryphraff> The QEMU thing looks pretty interesting.
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[21:33] <geordie> rtcg72a: what sort of emulator do you mean?
[21:34] <rtcg72a> as in an emulator that can emulate the pi hardware as close as possible
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[21:35] <gryphraff> A pi is so cheap and easy to make an OS image for, you could really just get another pi for the frustration of using an emulator
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[21:36] <geordie> rtcg72a: have a look at http://xecdesign.com/qemu-emulating-raspberry-pi-the-easy-way/
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[21:41] <mwlang> geordie: that's what I'm trying to make work now, myself
[21:41] <mwlang> I'm on a mac and trying to get it to boot all the way up.
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[21:52] <taza> mwlang: Why not use the Foundation image to boot up a working Raspbian install, then install from that install onto a SD card?
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[21:52] <taza> That is, connect a SD card reader to your RPi
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[21:59] <mwlang> taza: I'm waiting on my RPi to come in the mail. :-)
[21:59] <taza> Ah. Fair enough.
[21:59] <mwlang> I'm looking to do a little app development for the RPi, so trying to see about getting a virtualized environment set up
[21:59] <mwlang> that would allow me to run automated testing against.
[22:00] <taza> Will your software run into problems with the USB ports or the power supply issues?
[22:01] <taza> (USB ports can randomly disconnect; usually related to the power supply of the RPi being undersized)
[22:01] <taza> ParkerR: The Ansmann Powerbank CAN power a RaspBMC install playing SD video
[22:01] <taza> Just tested.
[22:02] <mwlang> I doubt it since its just a web server
[22:02] <taza> Ah, fair enough.
[22:03] <mwlang> although it'll be monitoring network traffic -- might have that problem if a usb adapter is plugged in?
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[22:03] <taza> The surefire way to solve the problem - a reliable power supply doing 1A+ and a powered USB hub that won't backpower.
[22:04] <mwlang> Ah, very good to know!
[22:04] <taza> Mind you - it's important the hub won't backpower, and a lot do.
[22:04] <taza> (The hub backpowering won't cause trouble under normal circumstances, but it makes the RPi a lot more fragile)
[22:05] <mwlang> I don't plan to plug any hubs in.
[22:05] <mwlang> but do plan to plug a micro usb wireless ethernet
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[22:06] <taza> ... see, when you plan to plug anything beyond a keyboard & mouse into the USB ports, you oughta use a powered hub
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[22:06] <taza> ... mind you, I've had no trouble running several low-powered devices of my own, but eh.
[22:06] <taza> It might work, but you'll only know through testing
[22:07] <mwlang> hmmmm...
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[22:07] <taza> The RPi has serious issues supplying power to USB devices.
[22:07] <mwlang> even the newest ones?
[22:07] <taza> Yep
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[22:08] <mwlang> as in bad soldering job on the usb connector or as in underpowered mainboard?
[22:08] <taza> Underpowered. Afterall, the entire system can draw just 750mA.
[22:10] <mwlang> any idea how much power a keyboard or mouse draws? The usb NIC I bought draws 14 to 17dbm
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[22:10] <taza> Not sure
[22:10] <taza> Forums might have more data
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[22:12] <taza> Aaanyway. Gotsa fly.
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[22:12] <mwlang> later, thanks for the heads up.
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[22:17] <ricksl> if you are brave of heart try this http://tinyurl.com/8mpbymw and power your pi through gpio raw
[22:18] <IT_Sean> that doesn't really require bravery... you just need to make sure your 5v supply is well regulated.
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[22:18] <ricksl> What if you aren't so keen on soldering on your pi
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[22:19] <IT_Sean> then use a pin connector that's the right pitch to pug into the GPIO header.
[22:19] <ricksl> did you check the link?
[22:19] <IT_Sean> an old PC floppy cable works, for example
[22:20] <ricksl> He was talking about usb power woes.
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[22:23] <mwlang> 100mA is max on the usb power (according to the raspberrypi stack exchange
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[22:24] <ricksl> There was something with self resetting fuses limiting the current but I think they might be gone in the new hardware revisions.
[22:25] <mwlang> I'm not quite sure how to convert 14 dbm to Amps for comparison…anybody?
[22:25] <IT_Sean> That is
[22:27] <ShadowJK> First models had 70mA per port limit?
[22:27] <ShadowJK> or was it 140?
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[22:28] <geordie> mwlang: google
[22:28] <ricksl> or you can give a guy a hand and give a link http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals
[22:29] <geordie> sorry, http://google.com
[22:29] <mapee> hey guys, what is the best solution to make a network stream with raspi camera module?
[22:30] <ricksl> http://tinyurl.com/2u6zkzb
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[22:42] <user82> 6MHz with wiringpi in c code and 60KHz in python3. how disappointing!
[22:42] <user82> toggle on-off
[22:42] <user82> a gpio pin
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[22:44] <malcom2073> You're suprised?
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[22:46] * linuxstb is surprised python is 100 times slower
[22:47] <bts__> I've ssh server running on my Pi, which is attached to my home router... and the home router is wirelessly attached to another (isp antena) - is there any way to reach Pi from the outside?
[22:49] <user82> malcom2073, to be honest: yes
[22:49] <user82> a factor of 10 would was my highest guess
[22:51] <mwlang> is there another way to put a 2nd NIC on the RPi other than USB based?
[22:51] <linuxstb> user82: So that's just a simple loop turning the GPIO on and off?
[22:51] <IT_Sean> mwlang: a 2nd nic that's NOT USB based? No.
[22:52] <mwlang> IT_Sean: that explains why I can't find a board to plug in! I just figured my google-fu was weak.
[22:52] <IT_Sean> a board to plug in?
[22:52] <IT_Sean> o_O
[22:52] <linuxstb> bts__: You'll need to do port forwarding - ssh is port 22, so forward that to the Pi's IP address. That's easier if you give the Pi a static local IP on your LAN.
[22:53] <user82> linuxstb, yes: http://pastebin.com/vDLNR52n
[22:53] <user82> (do not blame for the formattin in this small test ;) )
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[22:54] <bts__> linuxstb: I've already done that in my home network - static ip and 22 port forwarding - but it isn't working still
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[22:54] <bts__> and probably there is no way to enforce my isp to do the same :<
[22:54] <linuxstb> user82: Why the for loops around each of the digitalWrite calls in the C version?
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[22:55] <user82> linuxstb, sorry i had then out before..i wanted to test how long it takes until the signal is stable
[22:55] <user82> it was without the loops
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[22:55] <linuxstb> bts__: I'm not sure I understand, what is your ISP doing? They have provided you with a router where you can't change the settings?
[22:56] <bts__> linuxstb: let me explain: router in my home is my personal and I can do everything, although it's connected with antenna - which connect probably to outer isp router
[22:57] <bts__> is my router, is something what seems like to be my isp's router
[22:57] <linuxstb> Hmm, then yes - the port forwarding also needs to happen in your ISP's router.
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[22:58] <bts__> no other way?
[22:58] <linuxstb> bts__: The alternative is to start the connection from the Pi - if you have somewhere for the Pi to connect to.
[22:59] <mwlang> a la "logmein" :-o
[22:59] <linuxstb> Do you have an "account management" page at your ISP's website? Perhaps they have an interface there where you can add port forwarding rules.
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[23:00] <Bushmills> there is an additional way but that requires an external machine under your control
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[23:00] <bts__> hm, I understand - some shell with outer ip, yes?
[23:01] <mwlang> yeah, like a rackspace server or some such.
[23:01] <bts__> linuxstb: nothing like that, this isp is terribly backward
[23:01] <bts__> (and only available)
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[23:01] <mwlang> better to set port forward on the ISP's modem/router
[23:02] <Bushmills> actually, a tunnel from external machine to pi, something like what a vpn gives you. then you can route traffic arriving at external machine through tunnel to raspberry
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[23:02] <daveaway> can someone explain something to me
[23:03] <edman007> maybe
[23:03] <Bushmills> something: Anything unknown, undetermined, or not specifically
[23:03] <Bushmills> designated; a certain indefinite thing; an indeterminate
[23:03] <Bushmills> or unknown event; an unspecified task, work, or thing.
[23:03] <mwlang> "something" is what you have when you ain't got nothing.
[23:03] <Bushmills> according dict
[23:04] <edman007> Bushmills++
[23:04] <Bushmills> http://scarydevilmonastery.net/dict.cgi?something
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[23:05] <ricksl> Wait could you in theory attach an spi based ethernet controller
[23:05] <bts__> eh, and probably the latency would be unacceptable
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[23:06] <ricksl> seems to work for arduinos
[23:06] <bts__> maybe connecting from wifi in west europe to Pi on the east via tunnel isn't the greatest idea
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[23:07] <edman007> ricksl, yea, you can...and the drivers probably already exist
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[23:08] <ricksl> i was just looking into it cause mwlang gave me the idea
[23:09] <ricksl> and there are drivers for the common arduino wiznet ethernet module. not sure if those drivers use spi though
[23:09] <mwlang> ricksl: what is spi?
[23:09] <edman007> no idea about the latency, but the CPU claims it can do 100MHz+ over SPI, which would support a full 100Mbps connection (though they say that the pads on the chip don't actually support it)
[23:10] <edman007> mwlang, it's a 3/4 wire serial bus
[23:10] <ricksl> its a serial interface used for microcontrollers, can be used to interface things like lcd screens, more io, controller to controller communication
[23:10] <edman007> ment for moderate bandwith onboard things
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[23:10] <ricksl> isn't limited to microcontrollers but thats where it finds a lot of use.
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[23:11] <mwlang> ah. I got the idea for a "board" from beaglebone which has "capes" that you plug in and they have one for NICs
[23:12] <mwlang> I haven't programmed a micro controller in 20 years :-S
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[23:13] <ricksl> like i said probably drivers available, and if not it is a simple matter of writing a kernel module that would bind the spi communication protocol of the ethernet controller to a network interface. and the simple part was sarcastic.
[23:14] <mwlang> lets get started!
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[23:16] <ricksl> isn't that a bit redundant? Doesn't the rpi already have an spi bus? or are you just doing it for the learning expierence.
[23:17] <Bushmills> 20 years ago, SPI bus already existerd
[23:17] <Bushmills> existed
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[23:19] <edman007> ricksl, no, sending commands to the AVR to run a servo controller over SPI, while the AVR reads in various sensors to the RPI...and the RPI will be grabing sensor data from UART and I2C as well, combining it, and hopefully navigating autonomously while dumping a video feed over Ethernet
[23:19] <ricksl> oh I read that wrong my bad.
[23:20] <ricksl> i thought you were doing something interfacing the arduino with the raspi and then using the arduino spi bus, that makes much more sense
[23:22] <edman007> heh, yea...
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[23:23] <edman007> hopefully it can navigate underwater and come back with video
[23:25] <ricksl> something like that openrov thing?
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[23:31] <edman007> heh, didn't see that, but yea
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[23:31] <daveaway> has anyone got a solid simple nub friendly tutorial about to how to put my arm assembly program onto a pi?
[23:31] <edman007> though I'm doing it with ballast
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[23:32] <edman007> daveaway, with or without linux?
[23:32] <edman007> with linux...well just follow the x86 directions... it's fairly simple
[23:32] <daveaway> im on windows
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[23:33] <daveaway> one second
[23:33] <edman007> yea, but you want to run the program in linux right?
[23:33] <edman007> when you talk assembly you can just make your own bootloader too... and get no OS at all
[23:33] <daveaway> http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/projects/raspberrypi/tutorials/os/ok01.html
[23:33] <edman007> depends where you're going with it
[23:33] <daveaway> the bottom bit
[23:34] <daveaway> oh man, my guts just turned inside out
[23:34] <daveaway> brb
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[23:43] <Viklove> hey guys can anyone help me with this? i got my pi today and ran noobs. I've installed openelec and everything worked fine until it was finished installing. xbmc booted up, but for some reaosn the screen keeps flashing on and off
[23:43] <Viklove> any suggestions?
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[23:48] <sraue> Viklove, how flashing, is xbmc started?
[23:48] <Viklove> xbmc is started and i can use it and move around the menus as normal
[23:48] <Viklove> but the screen goes to black every few seconds
[23:48] <Viklove> then back on
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[23:49] <sraue> what you have for a tv?
[23:49] <Viklove> my asus monitor via hdmi
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[23:50] <Viklove> i dont have the same problems when i use the same monitor and hdmi cable with my computer
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[23:51] <mwlang> check the power to the pi and the hdmi cable for firm seating?
[23:52] <Viklove> both are in firmly. the hdmi is very tight, and actually seems to flash less when i only plug it in half-way
[23:52] <mwlang> hmmm….maybe a refresh rate problem, then.
[23:53] <sraue> Viklove, http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt#Video_mode_options see at "hdmi_mode" maybe something helps? to add this parameters to openelec you must first remount /flash with "mount -o remount,rw /flash" and then edit config.txt with "nano /flash/config.txt" via ssh (login: root password: openelec)
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[23:54] <Viklove> how do i get to the terminal?
[23:54] <sraue> with putty for example
[23:54] <sraue> if you use windows
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[23:56] <mwlang> anybody done "grid computing" with RPi?
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[23:56] <SpeedEvil> ?
[23:57] <mwlang> hadoop, mapreduce, etc.
[23:57] <SpeedEvil> the pi is not great from a computing power per watt point of view
[23:58] <daveaway> its nice
[23:58] <daveaway> it's a big MCU
[23:58] <mwlang> yeah, but it seems intriguing all of the sudden
[23:58] <daveaway> it'sbetter than any MCU in its price range
[23:58] <daveaway> by 100x
[23:58] <SpeedEvil> daveaway: beaglebone is noticeably better
[23:59] <Viklove> what refreshrate does it default to?
[23:59] <mwlang> you can put together 16 of 'em with 16gb SD's for about $750
[23:59] <SpeedEvil> mwlang: sds can be horribly, horribly slow for random access

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