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IRC Log for 2013-06-08

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[0:00] <mwlang> I was thinking for disk storage, not RAM…with 512mb each, that's a combined 8gb RAM avail.
[0:01] <mwlang> I dunno, just seems an intriguing idea for "how small can you go in grid computing?"
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[0:26] <cbb2296> hey guys will an energizer x2000 with 5v/.5a be enough power to run a pi?
[0:27] <malcom2073> cbb2296: You need a 5v 1amp supply to run a pi
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[0:27] <malcom2073> So no
[0:27] <cbb2296> damn... so close
[0:27] <malcom2073> If by close you mean 50%... sure :P
[0:27] <cbb2296> i found this thing in a closet, praying it would work
[0:28] <cbb2296> alright not that close
[0:28] <cbb2296> can anyone recommend a battery pack for the pi then? I am planning on having it run the pi while my car is off and charge when it is on
[0:28] <malcom2073> You're going to need a car battery
[0:28] <malcom2073> And even a car battery will drain overnight running a pi
[0:28] <malcom2073> well maybe not totally drain
[0:28] <malcom2073> but certainly it will take it down
[0:29] <Ben64> not overnight
[0:29] <cbb2296> hmm
[0:29] <cbb2296> does the pi use more power when it is running the gui?
[0:29] <cbb2296> probably not too much right
[0:29] <chithead> the power that the cpu uses depends mostly on the voltage
[0:30] <Ben64> lets say you have a 50ah battery in your car
[0:30] <cbb2296> could I maybe under clock it then?
[0:30] <Ben64> pi needs 5v*1a = 5w max
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[0:31] <gordonDrogon> it's slightly less than 5w. possibly closer to 3.
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[0:31] <Ben64> 12*50 = 600 watt hours / 5 = 120 hours of pi
[0:31] <chithead> getting the model A would be better, because it lacks the smsc network/usb hub controller
[0:31] <gordonDrogon> but a lot will depend on the efficiency of the 12v to 5v converter.
[0:31] <Ben64> gordonDrogon: yeah but... yeah that
[0:31] <gordonDrogon> you can also turn off the USB power on a model B.
[0:31] <chithead> I don't think you can calculate operating time by dividing capacity through discharge
[0:31] <cbb2296> I will be needing usb unfortunately
[0:32] <chithead> model A has one usb port
[0:32] <Ben64> chithead: pretty sure i can
[0:32] <cbb2296> so basically Im going to have to boot the pi whenever i turn on my car?
[0:32] <Ben64> it boots fast, why not?
[0:32] <malcom2073> cbb2296: Why do you want the pi on when your car is off?
[0:32] <gordonDrogon> so even using 5w as an example - that's 0.5 amps from 12v (to make sums easy), so 100 hours out of a 50Ah battery, so 3-4 days.
[0:33] <cbb2296> mainly to avoid boot time because im planning on a car-puter build and I dont want to be fumbling to connect bluetooth while already driving
[0:33] <malcom2073> Ben64: Typically with car batteries, you derate them by 30-50% from the amphour rating
[0:33] <malcom2073> to figure out what you'll actually get, but it varies widely by mfg
[0:33] <malcom2073> cbb2296: Then set it up to autoconnect
[0:33] <gordonDrogon> and I'm sure someone here was saying they get a week out of a car battery.
[0:33] <Ben64> well i just did quick calculations
[0:33] <cbb2296> that's not a bad idea. How can I bypass the login on boot?
[0:33] <Ben64> of course you wouldn't want to drain it completely
[0:34] <malcom2073> cbb2296: Depends on what distro, window manager, login manager, etc you're using.
[0:34] <malcom2073> google will likely know that one though
[0:34] <cbb2296> yeah Ill google it
[0:34] <plugwash> gordonDrogon> so even using 5w as an example - that's 0.5 amps from 12v (to make sums easy), so 100 hours out of a 50Ah battery, so 3-4 days. <-- sure but I don't think real draw from a Pi is anywhere near that high
[0:34] <cbb2296> thanks guys
[0:34] <plugwash> at least not if you don't have power hungry perhiperals hooked up
[0:34] <ShorTie> cbb2296, booting is not the problem as much as shutting down properly
[0:34] <Ben64> the 12-5v converters sometimes suck though
[0:35] <Ben64> i've had some burn out
[0:35] <gordonDrogon> plugwash, I know - erring on the side of caution though!
[0:35] <cbb2296> Shortie how would I accomplish a proper shutdown whenever I turn my car off?
[0:35] <malcom2073> True, a linear regulator based 12-5v converter is going to be wasting over half its power in heat
[0:35] <malcom2073> cbb2296: dcdc-usb
[0:35] <ShorTie> lol, with a key board
[0:35] <Ben64> i have a better one now, can provide 2.1w, doesn't have linear regulators
[0:35] <malcom2073> http://www.mini-box.com/DCDC-USB
[0:35] <malcom2073> that's what I use in my car
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[0:35] <malcom2073> it has ignition sensing
[0:36] <malcom2073> And can send an on/off pulse based on that
[0:36] <malcom2073> Plus, you can monitor battery voltage, and auto-shutoff before killing your battery
[0:36] <cbb2296> oh awesome
[0:36] <cbb2296> thanks guys ill look into that
[0:36] <Viklove> could low power input cause screen flickering?
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[0:36] <cbb2296> with analog video I could imagine it might
[0:37] <Viklove> not over hdmi?
[0:37] <cbb2296> Honestly I'm not sure but all my pi problems seem to be caused by low power
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[0:38] <Viklove> how much power should i be giving it?
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[0:38] <cbb2296> 5v @ 1a
[0:39] <Viklove> well thats exactly what im giving it lol
[0:39] <cbb2296> have you tried different screens to see if it is the screen?
[0:39] <cbb2296> I don't think the cable could be an issue but you may want to try another one
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[0:43] <Viklove> i dont think the monitor could be an issue because its working fine with my pc, but im trying a new cable
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[0:48] <cbb2296> anyone have bluetooth setup to be able to read texts/calls?
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[0:48] <malcom2073> Heh
[0:48] <malcom2073> I gave up, and wrote my own android application that communicates over a rfcomm socket to handle txt's and calls :(
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[0:48] <cbb2296> basically trying to emulate ford sync but in my older car
[0:49] <cbb2296> wow thats dedication
[0:49] <malcom2073> Had all sorts of hell trying to get bluez working properly
[0:49] <cbb2296> any chance you might want to share that application?\
[0:50] <cbb2296> actually i can just make tasker read my texts out loud
[0:50] <cbb2296> good enough for me
[0:50] <malcom2073> Unfortunatly not, I don't know where it is anymore since I stopped using an android phone a while back
[0:50] <malcom2073> wait one
[0:51] <malcom2073> cbb2296: http://nohands.sourceforge.net/
[0:51] <malcom2073> See if maybe you can get that working?
[0:51] <cbb2296> well that would indeed be awesome
[0:52] <malcom2073> I had troubles with it, but I was using a much older version of bluez. Apparently bluez has gotten better lately
[0:52] <cbb2296> thanks Ill look into that
[0:52] <cbb2296> I love how just decoding a bluetooth audio stream uses like 50% of my processing power
[0:53] <malcom2073> Lol oh wow, really?
[0:53] <cbb2296> pretty close to that haha
[0:53] <malcom2073> Crazy
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[0:56] <cbb2296> does arch boot any faster than raspian? I feel like it would
[0:56] <cbb2296> waht do you run for your car pi malcom?
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[0:58] <ShorTie> if you want a picture, use raspian
[0:58] <malcom2073> cbb2296: I don't run a pi :/
[0:58] <malcom2073> :P
[0:58] <cbb2296> oh never mind then
[0:59] <malcom2073> I run another linux ARM board heh
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[0:59] <cbb2296> oh you
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[0:59] <malcom2073> the pi wasn't around when I started damnit lol
[0:59] <malcom2073> That, and my PI only has 256mb of ram, it's really not suited for UI
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[1:04] <plugwash> so which linux arm board do you run?
[1:04] <cbb2296> one more stupid question for you all
[1:04] <cbb2296> anyone have java running on the pi?
[1:05] <malcom2073> plugwash: beagle
[1:05] <malcom2073> beaglebone rather
[1:06] <malcom2073> ssshhhh :P
[1:06] <plugwash> nothing wrong with the beaglebone.....
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[1:06] <malcom2073> People in both channels get weird about each other, dunno why.
[1:07] * plugwash has a beaglebone black in his collection though he hasn't done much with it yet
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[1:07] <malcom2073> Yeah, I got a black still i nthe box heh
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[1:07] <malcom2073> Been waiting for them to fix the kernel so I can use it
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[1:08] <plugwash> some people seem to like to cheerlead for "thier" team rather than recognising that both boards have strengths and weaknesses.
[1:08] <malcom2073> True
[1:08] <plugwash> are you reffering to the ethernet issues? or something else?
[1:09] <malcom2073> Nah, the serial ports don't exist heh
[1:09] <malcom2073> There's some workarounds to get them to show up, but for now they're not really there
[1:09] <taza> THE TEAM I AM A PART OF HAS SUPERIOR CHEAP COMPUTERS
[1:10] <malcom2073> Plus, the wifi/bt shield doesn't work, and may never :/
[1:10] <malcom2073> taza: haha
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[1:10] <malcom2073> The team I am a part of have... both of them
[1:10] <malcom2073> lol
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[1:11] * plugwash muses his collection of arm linux boards
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[1:12] <plugwash> an original beagleboard, two beagleboard XMs, a beaglebone black, multiple Pis, an imx53 quickstart board, an odroid U2 and a nitrogen6x (though some of them actually belong to the uni rather than me personally)
[1:12] <malcom2073> They came out iwth a new U2 I think, looked pretty good
[1:14] <plugwash> The odriod U2 is nice but like the Pi is very reliant on USB
[1:14] <cbb2296> why do I have to login before I can connect usb accessories ?
[1:14] <plugwash> which I don't like in a board of that level
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[1:15] <malcom2073> Hmm yeah
[1:15] <taza> Fanboyism about sub-$100 devices, heh
[1:16] <plugwash> OTOH it is a very good deal price wise for what you get
[1:17] <plugwash> the nitrogen6x has native sata and native gigabit ethernet but it's a heck of a lot more expensive
[1:17] <cbb2296> equivalent to my ancient mac mini
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[1:19] <cbb2296> I wish the pi came with 4 usb ports and no ethernet, although power would probably be an issue
[1:20] <cbb2296> does anyone else's composite out look like absolute garbage?
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[1:21] <ozzzy> cbb2296: they'd have to redo the board with much bigger traces to handle 4 usb ports
[1:22] <taza> cbb2296: It's composite out, of course it looks like absolute garbage
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[1:35] <SpeedEvil> They'd need to add a different hub chip to cope with 4 ports
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[1:42] <ozzzy> yep
[1:43] <ozzzy> all in all I think the Pi is a pretty nice design
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[1:44] <ozzzy> they could have beefed up the 5v traces to let it deliver 500mA per USB port... but what the hell
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[1:44] <jaha> hey all, so I thought I got my pi all setup with node and a simple blink led but there doesnt seem to be any power going through the pins, nothing on 3.3v and cant seem to trigger gpio port either
[1:44] <jaha> ideas?
[1:45] <ozzzy> you brick it?
[1:45] <jaha> i believe i fixed the superuser issue with node but as soon as I put an sd card in i lose power through pins
[1:45] <jaha> ozzzy: dont think so...
[1:46] <jaha> im sure im missing something dumb
[1:46] <ozzzy> if it boots and you can talk to it... you might be onto something
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[1:51] <cbb2296> how hot would my pi have to be to where I should start worrying about it?
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[2:00] <histo> ozzzy: what does it output per usb?
[2:00] <ozzzy> not very much
[2:01] <ozzzy> remember... it can't draw much more than 1000mA.... and the Pi, card etc. will use a lot of that
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[2:01] <ozzzy> and if you get it up to 1000mA you're working without a net
[2:02] <malcom2073> I've not been able to pull more than 100mA without having voltage drop issues on my model A
[2:03] <malcom2073> Sorry, Rev A
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[2:04] <histo> ozzzy: Don't these eddy max wifi dongles everyone and there brother are using pull more than 100mA
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[2:05] <hydroxygen> the original usb ports were fused with 140ma .new versions are shorts
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[2:06] <histo> Is there somewhere that documents the limitations of current draw etc...? I'm still waiting for mine to arrive
[2:06] <malcom2073> hydroxygen: But the traces can't handle it anyway
[2:06] <hydroxygen> external power to a usb hub and no worry
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[2:12] <jaha> ay ideas on why i cant seem to get my pi to play nice? anyone using node.js?
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[2:30] <sx> Hi all, just set up Raspbian on my first pi -- hooked up with HDMI to a monitor.. but the graphics are not extending to the entire screen of the monitor.. there is a margin around it..
[2:30] <sx> any idea why or how to fix? can't figure it out.
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[2:34] <plugwash> you want disable_overscan=1 in /boot/config.txt
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[2:44] <jaha> sx: do what plugwash says than restart
[2:44] <sx> thanks, checking now
[2:45] <sx> worked like a charm!
[2:46] <sx> other issue -- when I VNC from osx, I see the screen on my osx monitor but it is not controlling the mouse that appears on the actual pi monitor
[2:46] <sx> it's weird.. tried as root
[2:46] <jaha> ok, for the life of me I cant get a simple led blink to work… i can wire it up fine but cant seem to set the pin to HIGH
[2:46] <jaha> sx: youre probably in a different "display"
[2:47] <jaha> its a bit trickier to connect to the current x11 session
[2:48] <jaha> im just trying with the gpio cmd now and nothing… im on model b
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[2:57] <jaha> nvm, im an idiot
[2:57] <jaha> wrong damn cable
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[3:40] <aaa801> ReggieUK, You alive?
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[3:51] <nerdboy> oi
[3:51] <ShorTie> io
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[3:57] <dreamreal> Southeast Linux Fest (self 2013) has a LOT of positive vibes around the pi
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[4:01] <nerdboy> i had my pi at the gentoo both at SCaLE but i don't remember anything pi-specific
[4:02] <nerdboy> there was a beagle booth tho...
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[4:03] <nerdboy> not sure how many pi people are in socal
[4:04] <nerdboy> but we could certainly do a scale booth next year
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[4:05] <chainey> pycon helped get a lot pi's out to cali devs
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[4:06] <nerdboy> i've been the "solo" booth guy before, but i'd prefer not to
[4:06] <chainey> nerdboy, r u in a socal lug?
[4:06] <JakeSays> to all of you who live next to a Fry's: you suck :p
[4:07] <nerdboy> chainey: i've given a few sblug talks but it's not very convenient for me...
[4:07] <dreamreal> JakeSays: heh
[4:07] <dreamreal> I miss fry's
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[4:09] <aaa801> I am within a hairs breath of getting a android app to load on the pi ;P
[4:09] <aaa801> stupid egl http://i.imgur.com/C1qEb1D.png
[4:09] <nerdboy> aaa801: try my yocto pi image first
[4:09] <JakeSays> aaa801: thats pretty much gonna fail unless you're running android
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[4:10] <aaa801> JakeSays, Considering i built the 2.1 android image for the pi i think i may have a good shot at this
[4:10] <aaa801> ;)
[4:10] <aaa801> nerdboy, ?
[4:10] <JakeSays> aaa801: ah cool! disregard then :)
[4:10] <JakeSays> aaa801: so how did that go?
[4:11] <aaa801> well no hardware accel under native android
[4:11] <aaa801> so trying to get apkenv running for 'native' apps
[4:11] <dewm> mm fry's
[4:11] <dewm> with old bay seasoning
[4:11] <dewm> with some raspberry pie for dessert
[4:11] <nerdboy> aaa801: http://www.gentoogekk.org/steves_world/raspberrypi_mpd_image_html
[4:11] <nerdboy> crap
[4:12] <nerdboy> aaa801: http://www.gentoogeek.org/steves_world/raspberrypi_mpd_image_html
[4:12] <aaa801> hWhats the purpose of the image nerdboy ?
[4:12] * aaa801 ponders why no viewport is working
[4:12] <nerdboy> it's functional and lightweight but thin on applications so far
[4:12] <aaa801> aha,
[4:13] <nerdboy> aaa801: originally an mpd project but also a lightweight openbox desktop
[4:13] <JakeSays> would be interesting runing dalvik only
[4:13] <nerdboy> something weird with the midori build currently
[4:14] <aaa801> Anyone know how to murder the x server
[4:15] <nerdboy> killall X doesn't do it?
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[4:16] <aaa801> mhm this is odd
[4:17] <aaa801> a egl window shows on screen with the pointer
[4:17] <aaa801> but the handle is invalid
[4:17] <aaa801> O_o
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[4:18] <nerdboy> what are you running now?
[4:18] <aaa801> raspbain
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[4:25] <aaa801> *tableflip*
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[4:28] <Haxxa> hello
[4:28] <aaa801> hea
[4:29] <Haxxa> is it possible to make diffferent apps output to different audio sources
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[4:29] <Haxxa> i.e. hdmi xbmc and shairport to 3.5mm
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[4:30] <aaa801> Possible yes, do i know how, no
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[4:32] <Haxxa> well then , I want to know how...
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[4:36] <nerdboy> the non-alsa way would be omxplayer
[4:37] <nerdboy> but in this case "different apps" would be omxplayer vs. everything else
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[4:38] <nerdboy> well, xbmc uses omxplayer, so in theory you could use alsa output for analog and have xbmc configured for hdmi
[4:39] <Haxxa> ok well can I just output to both at same time
[4:39] <Haxxa> actually both would be better
[4:39] <nerdboy> not that i know of
[4:40] <nerdboy> both configs are pretty much either/or
[4:42] <Haxxa> well ok, I just want mpd to use 3,5mm and omxplayer to use hdmi
[4:42] <Haxxa> how about thay
[4:42] <Haxxa> *that
[4:42] <nerdboy> try it and see...
[4:42] <Haxxa> how?
[4:43] <Haxxa> I don't know how to set that up
[4:43] <nerdboy> you need an alsa config
[4:44] <Haxxa> ok... more detail on how or link
[4:45] <nerdboy> if xbmc is working, then you'll to 1) load the module, 2) make a simple asound.conf, 3) set the mixer routing to analog
[4:46] <nerdboy> should probably make an alsa.conf module config too
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[4:47] <nerdboy> Haxxa: all that stuff is on github and in the build image if you want to use it
[4:48] <Haxxa> I think its probally out of my knowledge + time allocation then from what I'm hearing
[4:49] <nerdboy> no, all the files are there
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[4:52] <nerdboy> asound.conf goes in /etc, asla.conf goes in /etc/modprobe.d, and you can save the mixer state once you set it
[4:53] <nerdboy> just put the module name in /etc/modules
[4:54] <nerdboy> works out-of-the-box in the yocto image
[4:54] <nerdboy> mpd requires a little bit of configuration
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[5:00] <nerdboy> actually i think that default config works too, but i usually enable the pid file
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[5:09] <citric> quick question, does a raspberry pi make a good enough system for a media center? something to just hold and play movies 1080p w/ DTS
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[5:09] <ParkerR> citric, 1080 decoding for h.264 out of the box
[5:10] <citric> ParkerR, what kind of quality is that? im trying to get the best video quality as possible and i just came across this on google and it's cheap so im here asking questions
[5:10] <ParkerR> Well considring most content nowadays is encoded in h.264
[5:11] <citric> blu-ray quality ?
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[5:12] <nerdboy> we use it in a surgical camera for (up to) 1080p streaming/recording
[5:12] <citric> whats the highest end model ?
[5:13] <nerdboy> of?
[5:13] <citric> raspberry pi
[5:13] <nerdboy> model b
[5:14] <citric> ok, and can you suggest a store w/ fast shipping in USA ?
[5:14] <ParkerR> newark element14
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[5:16] <citric> does the pi have built in wifi ?
[5:16] <IT_Sean> it does not
[5:16] <IT_Sean> the Model B has ethernet, however.
[5:17] <IT_Sean> citric: if you are looking for a media center, a raspi running OpenELEC is a pretty good option.
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[5:18] <citric> IT_Sean, im SUPER new to this raspberry pi thing, i was just reading a forum and came across it, I have no clue what OpenELEC is
[5:19] <IT_Sean> citric: OpenELEC is one of the operating systems available for the raspi. It's an out of the box xbmc setup.
[5:19] <IT_Sean> designed specifically for media center use
[5:19] <nerdboy> i made a raspbmc card and played a little bit with
[5:19] <citric> IT_Sean, well im going to buy a raspberry pi from newark.com, do I request that OS or do I purchase it seperatly? if so, where?
[5:19] <nerdboy> *it
[5:20] <IT_Sean> no need to purchase
[5:20] <IT_Sean> buy an SD card, download OpenELEC, then follow the install instructions to write the OS to the card
[5:20] <IT_Sean> the aspi boots off an SD card
[5:20] <nerdboy> played some stuff fine, but i didn't try anything that was actually 1080p
[5:20] <IT_Sean> *raspi
[5:20] <IT_Sean> it'll play 1080p without issue
[5:20] <citric> is there a maximum in size of a SD card that the raspi can handle ?
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[5:21] <IT_Sean> There is, but, off the top of my head i forget the limit.
[5:21] <IT_Sean> it has to do with the type of card.
[5:21] <nerdboy> haven't tried anything bigge rthan 32 GB
[5:21] <citric> also, is there a way to hook up an external harddrive to a raspi ?
[5:21] <IT_Sean> You can, via USB, but you WILL need a powered USB hub
[5:21] <citric> hmmm
[5:22] <nerdboy> unless the drive has a power brick...
[5:22] <IT_Sean> ^ wot 'e said
[5:22] <citric> nope, mine are USB powered
[5:22] <IT_Sean> for a USB powred drive, you will need a powered hub
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[5:22] <citric> does newark.com sell those?
[5:22] <IT_Sean> you would have o look
[5:22] <IT_Sean> but, you can get 'em pretty much anywhere else :p
[5:23] <nerdboy> you could get a smarttop but they're more expensive
[5:24] <citric> is the raspi usb 3.0 ?
[5:24] <ParkerR> No
[5:24] <IT_Sean> no
[5:24] <citric> bummer
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[5:25] <nerdboy> your basic tv stick is more powerful than a pi...
[5:25] <nerdboy> but a pi os much more flexible
[5:25] <citric> basic tv stick ?
[5:25] <citric> whats that
[5:25] <ParkerR> Those android TV sticks
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[5:26] <IT_Sean> The pi is a bit more flexable
[5:26] <nerdboy> somethign like an mk802 has a 1.6 GHz arm and 1 GB of ram
[5:26] <nerdboy> *1.5
[5:28] <nerdboy> those are pretty much designed for one application whereas a media center is only one on many uses for a pi
[5:28] <nerdboy> s/on/of/
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[5:31] <ParkerR> But those act really nicely as a media center
[5:31] <IT_Sean> As does a pi
[5:31] <ParkerR> Ehh
[5:31] <ParkerR> Its ok but I wouldnt use the Pi as a dedicated media player
[5:32] <ParkerR> *center
[5:32] <IT_Sean> I do every day, and it works very well for me.
[5:32] <ParkerR> Hmm it always seems to be ok but sluggish ina few areas. Mainly UI
[5:32] <IT_Sean> I can't say i'e noticed UI lag.
[5:32] <nerdboy> might be your card
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[5:32] <ParkerR> Whereas I have other hardware that can handle the UI and the video just fine
[5:33] <citric> so what are some cool things people have done with this raspi's ?
[5:33] <nerdboy> i made a card the other night that was surprisingly slow
[5:33] <nerdboy> a class 10 transcend
[5:34] <IT_Sean> The raspi still does not like some class 10s
[5:34] <nerdboy> it worked fine with raspbian so i think it was related to how parted di the resizing
[5:34] <nerdboy> *did
[5:34] <IT_Sean> could be
[5:34] <nerdboy> it was unbelievably slow
[5:34] <IT_Sean> I believe it.
[5:35] <nerdboy> at first i thought it was locked up but i waited once and booted in like 20 minutes
[5:35] <IT_Sean> O|O
[5:36] <nerdboy> yeah
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[5:37] <nerdboy> so i have objective evidence that it's possible to *really* dork up a card
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[5:37] <nerdboy> even though it technically still works...
[5:37] <citric> what class sd is suggested for the raspi
[5:38] <nerdboy> mostly i have the class 10 sandisk ultras
[5:38] <nerdboy> whenever they go on sale...
[5:39] <nerdboy> they're actually faster at sustained writes than many other cards so they usually work pretty well
[5:40] <nerdboy> although their class 4 cards are not bad either
[5:40] <nerdboy> they're cheaper so i have some of those too
[5:40] <ParkerR> nerdboy, I had those class 4s. Quite a bit. Never looking back after the class 10
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[5:45] <nerdboy> i'm still waiting for my $1.99 IR sensor
[5:45] <nerdboy> adafruit has some pretty cool stuff
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[5:46] <ParkerR> ... I thought you could just hook up an IR sensor pretty much directly to a few of the gpio pins?
[5:46] <nerdboy> yup
[5:47] <histo> nerdboy: I have a lot of stuff laying around from my arduino stuff. Just need my rpi to get here already
[5:47] <ParkerR> nerdboy, Ok. 1.99 seems a bit uch for an IR diode
[5:48] <IT_Sean> it is a bit much
[5:48] <IT_Sean> is it an IR emmitter, or an IR photodetector?
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[5:48] <IT_Sean> i.e. is it a goesinta, or a comesouta?
[5:48] <nerdboy> just the receiver side AFAIK
[5:48] <IT_Sean> That still seems a bit steep.
[5:48] <nerdboy> the little remote is $5
[5:49] <nerdboy> but i already have a remote in mind
[5:49] <cbb2296> can anyone here help me out setting up a wifi dongle?
[5:49] <nerdboy> i ordered another pi as well
[5:49] <cbb2296> I cant find the drivers with apt-cache search
[5:50] <ParkerR> cbb2296, Theres a chance it will just work
[5:50] <IT_Sean> Send me one nerdboy, aye?
[5:50] <ParkerR> What is the chipset?
[5:50] <nerdboy> which dongle? many are in the kernel already
[5:50] <cbb2296> ParkerR should I just do startx then and check the wifi setup tool?
[5:51] <ParkerR> Plug the dongle in then check dmesg
[5:51] <nerdboy> obviously ParkerR has better typing skills than i do...
[5:51] <ParkerR> If it says it created wlan0 then it has the drivers
[5:51] <ParkerR> nerdboy, What now?
[5:51] <cbb2296> alright hold on im scanning that list
[5:52] <ParkerR> It should be at the end
[5:52] <ParkerR> If you just plugged it in
[5:52] <cbb2296> whenever I plug it in my pi reboots
[5:52] <nerdboy> you just say it before i'm finished typing
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[5:52] <cbb2296> ill run the command again once it boots
[5:52] <ParkerR> nerdboy, Haha
[5:52] <nerdboy> i'll just wait...
[5:52] <IT_Sean> cbb2296: are you plugging it directly into the Pi, or into a powered hub?
[5:52] <cbb2296> directly into the pi
[5:53] <nerdboy> how big is your power brick?
[5:53] <IT_Sean> Some wifi dongles need a powered hub. If it doesn't work after rebooting, you may need a powred hub.
[5:53] <cbb2296> 5v @ 1a
[5:53] <nerdboy> probably need at least an amp for wifi
[5:53] <cbb2296> I think my pi just changed the ip address on me
[5:53] <cbb2296> probably a good sign
[5:54] <nerdboy> if ifconfig -a shows wlan0 you're in business
[5:54] <cbb2296> oh sweet it worked
[5:54] <cbb2296> now how do I configure it to my network?
[5:55] <cbb2296> I'll google that one
[5:55] <IT_Sean> Google is your friend
[5:55] <histo> cbb2296: what is the chipset?
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[5:56] <histo> cbb2296: http://www.raspberryshake.com/raspberry-pi-wireless-network-setup/
[5:56] <cbb2296> it's the Reltek RTL8188CUS
[5:56] <cbb2296> thanks histo
[5:56] <ParkerR> Yes
[5:57] <ParkerR> That most definitely willw ork
[5:57] <ParkerR> Just be sure to have everything updated
[5:58] <nerdboy> got a couple of wifi dongles to try still...
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[5:59] <histo> cbb2296: or you can just install wicd if it's available for arm
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[5:59] <cbb2296> alright I think I got it working
[6:00] <cbb2296> just have to check my ip and ill try to ssh
[6:00] <cbb2296> coming from mac I keep typing dig expecting results
[6:00] <ParkerR> histo, It is. Although a bit overkill for the Pi
[6:00] <histo> cbb2296: iwconfig or ifconfig
[6:00] <ParkerR> ifconfig will list the wlan0
[6:00] <ParkerR> And ip address
[6:01] <histo> cbb2296: and if you want your public side ip just w3m ipchecking.com
[6:01] <ParkerR> iwconfig is just for setting up a connection
[6:01] <histo> ParkerR: true true
[6:01] <cbb2296> you guys are awesome
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[6:02] <cbb2296> something's wrong for sure... don't have an internet connection
[6:02] <ParkerR> :D
[6:02] <ParkerR> :|
[6:03] <cbb2296> will the pi default to 5ghz or 2.4?
[6:03] <histo> cbb2296: It's possibly that you have a wifi chipset that requires firmware
[6:03] <nerdboy> dhcp should do it if the router is wide open
[6:03] <nerdboy> otherwise wpa-supplicant or one of the guis
[6:03] <cbb2296> I did apt-cache search for the firmware and couldnt find any so it should be good to go
[6:03] <histo> cbb2296: which wireless chipset do you have? you can find out with lspci | grep Network
[6:03] <cbb2296> I think I edited the config file wrong
[6:04] <cbb2296> sweet I got it working
[6:05] <cbb2296> well now my ssh doesn't work
[6:05] <cbb2296> hmm
[6:06] <cbb2296> fied
[6:06] <histo> cbb2296: do you have it listening?
[6:06] <cbb2296> *fixed
[6:06] <cbb2296> thanks for all your help guys
[6:07] <cbb2296> my tiny usb sized wifi dongle has the world's smallest led built in... that's awesome
[6:07] <cbb2296> I think my keyboard drivers are a little screwy though
[6:10] <histo> cbb2296: probably just your language settings
[6:10] <cbb2296> this wlan setup seemed to slow my boot time fairly significantly
[6:11] <nerdboy> probably power
[6:11] <ParkerR> It probably connect during boot
[6:11] <ParkerR> *connects
[6:11] <nerdboy> bluetooth dosngle does the same thing on mine
[6:12] <ParkerR> So it takes longer due to it getting a lease
[6:12] <cbb2296> and now my adapter isn't connecting
[6:12] <cbb2296> sweet
[6:12] <nerdboy> i should try a hub and see if it's any faster
[6:12] <histo> cbb2296: the dhcp probably timed out for whatever reason and slowed you down.
[6:13] <histo> cbb2296: what distro are you running?
[6:13] <cbb2296> my monitor has a built in hub. Ill see if it works any better
[6:13] <cbb2296> raspbian
[6:13] <histo> cbb2296: try seting a static ip and check boot speed.
[6:15] <histo> Also if you are concerned with boot speed and you get more familiar with linux you may want to look at the Arch images
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[6:16] <nerdboy> that bluetooth dongle slows everything down
[6:16] <histo> cbb2296: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1F-TxTPyiM to fix your keyboard
[6:16] <cbb2296> i think ill install arch tomorrow
[6:16] <nerdboy> it's pretty old tho
[6:16] <cbb2296> thanks histo
[6:16] <cbb2296> this is definitely a power issue, the hub works just fine
[6:16] <cbb2296> how much heat can the pi take before I should get worried?
[6:16] <cbb2296> I want to install in in my car but I live in Arizona
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[6:18] <nerdboy> mine doesn't seem to get that warm even at 1 GHz
[6:18] <nerdboy> but i don't live in az...
[6:18] <cbb2296> but my car will be like 140 degrees when not running
[6:19] <cbb2296> I kinda feel like I shuold just try it, at worst Id lose $35
[6:19] <nerdboy> true dat
[6:19] <cbb2296> I also have a spare pi sitting around here somewhere
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[6:24] <histo> nerdboy: 1ghz? you overclocked?
[6:24] <histo> cbb2296: what do you plan on doing with it in your car?
[6:25] <cbb2296> right now just a bluetooth audio receiver hopefully soon a full carputer/headunit with obd2 scanning
[6:25] <nerdboy> i usually leave the minimum at 700 and use cpufrequtils
[6:25] <nerdboy> 1 GHz is supported
[6:26] <nerdboy> any higher and you're on your own...
[6:26] <cbb2296> looking at this right now: http://www.ebay.com/itm/2DIN-DASH-7-Samsung-HDMI-Touch-Screen-Monitor-KIT-USB-SD-Raspberry-Pi-/121002169460?_trksid=p2047675.m1850&_trkparms=aid%3D222002%26algo%3DSIC.FIT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D11%26meid%3D7340723624697302564%26pid%3D100011%26prg%3D1005%26rk%3D1%26sd%3D110966372323%26
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[6:28] <histo> cbb2296: then just get some voice recognition and make your own jarvis
[6:28] <cbb2296> that would be awesome if I had the know-how
[6:29] <cbb2296> I want to find a way to work with the google tts because I think it sounds nice
[6:29] <cbb2296> and I know they have an offline version
[6:30] <histo> nerdboy: any documentation on that?
[6:30] <nerdboy> the comments in the original config.txt
[6:30] <nerdboy> not the one written by raspi-config...
[6:30] <histo> cbb2296: there are a lot of people using google speech api with scripts etc.. but don't know about offline
[6:30] <nerdboy> look on github
[6:30] <cbb2296> I actually think python might be able to work with the google api
[6:31] <cbb2296> yeah I dont know about offline
[6:31] <cbb2296> but they do have an offline version for android so I'd guess it might be possible
[6:33] <histo> cbb2296: http://stevenhickson.blogspot.com/2013/05/voice-command-v20-for-raspberry-pi.html
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[6:34] <cbb2296> it seems a little slow unfortunately
[6:34] <cbb2296> but still awesome
[6:35] <cbb2296> oh it's using google tts that's amazing
[6:36] <histo> nerdboy: whats wrong with the settings in raspi-config
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[6:44] <nerdboy> nothing, but it writes only a few options
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[6:45] <nerdboy> with no comments
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[6:46] <Haxxa> how do I prevent audio popping
[6:46] <Haxxa> using shairport and alsa audio
[6:46] <Haxxa> apparently its fixed
[6:47] <histo> Haxxa: check your connections
[6:47] <Haxxa> there fine
[6:48] <ParkerR> Haxxa, Its only fixed if you use HDMI or a USB dac
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[6:48] <Haxxa> oh so 3.5mm still sucks
[6:48] <ParkerR> The 3.5mm pops were claimed to be fixed in more recent firmwares but I still hear about them happeneing
[6:49] <Haxxa> same thats why I just ripped out my soundcard
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[6:49] <Haxxa> and I am like whats going on
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[6:53] <cbb2296> I get the pop on analog audio too, not sure why
[6:54] <ParkerR> It's hardware
[6:54] <ParkerR> Not much can be done to fix it
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[7:00] <histo> ParkerR: did you update your firmware?
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[7:01] <ParkerR> histo, I usually keep it updated. Havent been using the Pi very much lately
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[7:03] <cbb2296> yup I have the newest firmware
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[7:15] <Tickle> Hello
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[7:20] <eephyne> Am I the only one who get memory fragmentation when using transmission daemon ?
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[7:24] <ParkerR> Think the Pi might last a bit off of this? :3 http://i.minus.com/iocIpOk0Fl29W.JPG
[7:24] <piney0> ParkerR, thats ~ 17-18ah so yea
[7:25] * piney0 has quite a few of them
[7:25] <ParkerR> Yep 18A-h
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[7:25] <nerdboy> i got less than an hour out of 4 uber-AA rechargles :/
[7:26] <ParkerR> That USB charger is only 500mAh though
[7:26] <ParkerR> Need to buy me a better one
[7:26] <nerdboy> er, rechargeables...
[7:26] <ParkerR> piney0, What does the hour mean in 18ah? I know what 18 amps is but never heard the hour
[7:27] <jeffery> I was tinkering with a raspbian image and while doing so, I mapped the partitions of the image via kpartx and mounted primary partition using mount. Now after unmounting the partition, I cannot seem to undo the partition mappings using kpartx -d /path/to/image/file nor using losetup -d /dev/loop0 . Any clues
[7:27] <piney0> discharge rate, 18 amps for 1 hour, or 1 amp for 18 hours, preferrable the ladder
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[7:27] <Triffid_Hunter> ParkerR: means it can supply 1.8A for 10 hours
[7:27] <ParkerR> Ahh
[7:27] <Triffid_Hunter> ParkerR: current * time = charge. charge * voltage = energy
[7:29] <Triffid_Hunter> and energy / time = power
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[7:33] <piney0> my pi is connected to a 7ah battery & charger, i get about 7-8 hours run time off that without power
[7:34] <histo> ParkerR: you can get a marine battery or something beefier if you really want.
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[7:36] <ParkerR> After pealing off the rubber (was in a portable case) I see that its this http://www.apexbattery.com/diamec-dm12-18-battery-sealed-lead-acid-batteries-diamec-batteries.html
[7:37] <nerdboy> half a dozen deep-cycle marine batteries powered all of our field gear
[7:37] <ParkerR> Nice
[7:38] <nerdboy> of course we had a 4kw generator to keep everything charged up
[7:39] <nerdboy> mostly computers, radios and lights
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[7:39] <DrkCodeman> is there a raspberry pi that is actually on sell for around $35 without huge jacked up shipping?
[7:39] <nerdboy> late-night balloon and tether-sonde soundings...
[7:40] <ParkerR> DrkCodeman, newark
[7:40] <ParkerR> Well if in the US they are 35
[7:40] <DrkCodeman> they are but they rape you on shipping
[7:40] <DrkCodeman> thats how they get you is charge like $20 for shipping
[7:40] <ParkerR> Umm
[7:40] <ParkerR> Mine was no where near that much
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[7:41] <DrkCodeman> for model b?
[7:41] <ParkerR> Yeah
[7:41] <ParkerR> One sec
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[7:41] <DrkCodeman> i'll look again
[7:42] <ParkerR> Your Merchandise Total $35.00
[7:42] <ParkerR> Your Freight Total $7.84
[7:42] <ParkerR> Your Tax Total $4.17
[7:42] <ParkerR> Your Order Total $47.01
[7:42] <ParkerR> Sale in USD
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[7:42] <ParkerR> Even then not terrible
[7:42] <DrkCodeman> ok thats not bad
[7:42] <ParkerR> That was newark back in...
[7:42] <DrkCodeman> oh thats right a new bill pass on tax
[7:42] <DrkCodeman> forgot about that
[7:42] <ParkerR> Late November
[7:43] <DrkCodeman> so were getting double taxed on this shit once for shipping then again for local tax
[7:43] <ParkerR> DrkCodeman, amazon still isnt charging tax :3
[7:43] <DrkCodeman> sweet :)
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[7:44] <DrkCodeman> im supprised biz don't create their own online currency system just to evade taxation
[7:44] <ParkerR> Umm
[7:44] <DrkCodeman> no tax on services
[7:44] <ParkerR> Bitcoin
[7:44] <ParkerR> It exists
[7:44] <DrkCodeman> yep
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[7:49] <DrkCodeman> was going to use raspberry pi as a cheap efficient offsite ftp server for my websites backups
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[7:55] <JakeSays> not sure efficient is the right word
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[7:56] <DrkCodeman> low power consumption, small form factor, cheap
[7:56] <DrkCodeman> you don't need a super system to host a ftp server
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[7:59] <histo> DrkCodeman: why not just use rsync to copy offsite
[7:59] <DrkCodeman> i plan on
[8:00] <DrkCodeman> if my hosting can use rsync right now im on shared hosting with unlimited
[8:00] <histo> well actually ftp would have less overhead as rsync hashes but it's a relatively simple hash
[8:00] <histo> DrkCodeman: can you ssh in to the host?
[8:00] <DrkCodeman> yes
[8:00] <DrkCodeman> but i don't want my account terminated for installing software
[8:01] <histo> DrkCodeman: see if rsync is installed
[8:01] <DrkCodeman> second
[8:02] <histo> DrkCodeman: which rsync
[8:03] <DrkCodeman> yup sure is
[8:04] <DrkCodeman> so yeah ill just install rsync to my raspberry pi when it comes in
[8:04] <DrkCodeman> rsync version 3.0.9 protocol version 30
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[8:08] <histo> DrkCodeman: actually you only need ssh server on the raspberry pi you can push from the other server
[8:08] <histo> DrkCodeman: no I meant use the "which" command
[8:10] <histo> DrkCodeman: I use rsync and offsite backup several important files on a couple servers currently. Just have cront jobs that do it nightly Tues-Sat and emails me the --stats
[8:10] <histo> s/cront/cron/
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[8:13] <steve_rox> havein fun?
[8:15] <histo> who?
[8:17] <nerdboy> rsync-backup?
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[8:21] <histo> nerdboy: huh?
[8:21] <nerdboy> or just rsync ?
[8:21] <histo> I just use rsync
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[8:21] <nerdboy> i setup rsync-backup when i first got my kurobox
[8:22] <nerdboy> was a long time ago, but it worked pretty well
[8:22] <histo> nerdboy: rsync-backup from what I just read briefly on google is just scripts to control rsync
[8:22] <nerdboy> pretty much
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[8:23] <nerdboy> a few cron jobs will backup whatever paths you need
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[8:24] <nerdboy> i'm thinking about my second pi as a 1-wire weather station...
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[9:06] <PasNox> Hi
[9:07] <PasNox> i have installed the very last raspbian linux image
[9:07] <PasNox> and I would like to test the wayland / weston stack
[9:07] <PasNox> what i have to do please?
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[11:45] <PasNox> i want to try x11 backend for wayland in the last raspbian, but it seem the provided xorg server is not compatible, what i can do please?
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[12:17] <kido> hi everybody, I just bought an accelerometer (MPU6050) I2C board and I would like to connect it to my raspeberry pi's GPIO with solderless cables
[12:17] <kido> do you think that theses cables would be alright: http://www.ebay.fr/itm/Arduino-Breadboard-20cm-FEMALE-TO-FEMALE-Solderless-Jumper-Breadboard-Wires-/130897209690?pt=UK_BOI_Electrical_Components_Supplies_ET&hash=item1e7a14e95a#ht_500wt_1174 ?
[12:17] <|Jeroen|> then do it
[12:18] <|Jeroen|> yes
[12:18] <kido> :)
[12:19] <kido> I also have an IDE cable but it wouldn't be practical to connect to the I2C board
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[12:22] <|Jeroen|> nope
[12:22] <|Jeroen|> ide cables aren't easy to split
[12:22] <kido> ok thank you very well, that's everything I wanted to know ;)
[12:22] <ShorTie> old floopie cables are nice
[12:23] <kido> ShorTie: I've got something like that: http://www.informatiquebellechasse.com/images/cable_IDE.png
[12:23] <ShorTie> trim a couple off the end and pi 1/wire 1 still works
[12:24] <ShorTie> is that 40 or 80 conducor cable ??
[12:24] <kido> pretty hard to connect to a board like that: http://playground.arduino.cc/uploads/Main/mpu-6050.jpg (and I haven't any prototyping board so the indivual cables would probably be better)
[12:24] <|Jeroen|> the picture is an 80
[12:24] <ShorTie> 80 could be a pain to work with
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[12:25] <kido> well, mine seems to be 40
[12:25] <kido> (guys I'm sorry for my english but I'm french, I try to do my best x))
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[12:43] <PasNox> i want to try x11 backend for wayland in the last raspbian, but it seem the provided xorg server is not compatible, what i can do please?
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[12:45] <Encrypt> kido, You french? :p
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[12:55] <Encrypt> PasNox, What are you trying to do?
[12:56] <Encrypt> Something like X.org forwarding.
[12:56] <Encrypt> ?
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[12:57] <shiftplusone> He's trying to use XWayland
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[13:06] <kido> Encrypt: yes I am ;)
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[13:07] <Encrypt> kido, I am also french ;)
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[13:10] <Bushmills> oh, great, than you can apologize to each other :P
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[13:15] <shiftplusone> >_<
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[13:29] <quackgyver> Hooray, my chinese monitor just arrived.
[13:30] <quackgyver> Too bad I can't recognize the plugs. :D
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[15:06] <PasNox> Encrypt: replace xorg by xwayland, like in the colladora video.
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[15:07] <PasNox> shiftplusone: yes, do u have some hint for me ? :)
[15:07] <Encrypt> PasNox, I don't care, I only use my Pi through SSH and the command line :p
[15:08] <PasNox> Encrypt: xD
[15:08] <shiftplusone> PasNox, nope, sorry, can't help. It's alpha software and is not meant to replace anything quite yet. We still have some waiting to do.
[15:09] <PasNox> shiftplusone: well i don't permanently want to repalce it, but just have it to works - for some testing purpose
[15:09] <shiftplusone> Yeah, I understood.
[15:11] <PasNox> shiftplusone: u are working on the wayland / weston for the pi ?
[15:11] <shiftplusone> not at all
[15:11] <PasNox> ok
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[15:14] <Encrypt> ozzzy, Command line for the win \o/
[15:15] <ozzzy> you can do a lot from the prompt
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[15:19] <shiftplusone> I would go so far as to say everything
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[15:22] <Encrypt> shiftplusone, +42
[15:22] <shiftplusone> =D
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[16:10] <aaa801> Anyone good with egl / sdl
[16:10] <ItsMeLenny> pygame
[16:10] <shiftplusone> ItsMeLenny, ew. tjat
[16:11] <shiftplusone> *that's not an answer at all O_o
[16:11] <shiftplusone> aaa801, it's better to just ask the question.
[16:11] <ItsMeLenny> lol
[16:12] <ItsMeLenny> pygame is sdl in python
[16:12] <aaa801> Just noticed i actually forgot to code the sdl implementation ..
[16:12] <aaa801> Only bothered with the egl half :D
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[16:19] <fongseiyuc> Hi. I have a RPi since yesterday. Since i am used to using # hwinfo in Debian , i was wondering if there is an alternative tool for RPi ?
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[16:21] <fongseiyuc> in Rasbian
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[16:22] <shiftplusone> Not familiar with hwinfo, what do you need the tool to do?
[16:22] <shiftplusone> I am guessing you're after lshw
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[16:23] <fongseiyuc> thanx shiftplusone
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[16:42] <aaa801> OMG
[16:42] <aaa801> GOT IT WORKING
[16:42] <aaa801> the rabbit game android running on pi
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[16:44] <aaa801> Time to see if angry birds works
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[16:47] <citric> aaa801, the rabbit game android? what is that?
[16:48] <aaa801> a native android application ;)
[16:48] <aaa801> Need i say more hehe
[16:48] <citric> aaa801, so, a Java app ?
[16:48] <aaa801> No
[16:48] <aaa801> NATIVE
[16:48] <aaa801> armv6 android stuff
[16:48] <aaa801> the .apk
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[16:54] <Twinnie> Anyone got a good way of remotely executing commands on the Pi? Not like ssh but by having these commands actually run on the session on the screen? Like psexec on Windows?
[16:56] <shiftplusone> Twinnie, check out 'screen'
[16:56] <shiftplusone> use screen with ssh
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[16:58] <Bushmills> or tmux
[16:58] <shiftplusone> so, start a screen session on the pi (you could set it up to launch automatically), then you can ssh in, attach to the screen session and can run anything you want and it will be displayed locally and remotely
[16:58] <Bushmills> tmux attach, multiple users. one user has attached from the session visible on screen
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[17:02] <Twinnie> i have screen and I only use it for maintaining an ssh session on a dodgy connection, never tried attaching it to other sessions though. Sounds like something I need to read up on.
[17:02] <Twinnie> so tmux is a similar thing then?
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[17:06] <shiftplusone> Yeah, there's not much difference, except that tmux users get all huffy about screen =P
[17:08] <Bushmills> both work. tmux looks a bit nicer and screen splitting works ok
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[17:08] <Bushmills> even the keycommands are very similar
[17:08] <Twinnie> hah, well I don't know what tmux is but I think I hate it
[17:08] <Bushmills> lead-in is default ^b instead of ^a
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[17:09] <Bushmills> and re-attaching take longer to write, as it isn't just -R or -DR, but attach
[17:10] <shiftplusone> No reason to hate it, it's technically better.
[17:12] <Bushmills> it allows horizontal and vertical splitting. tiled, not overlapping
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[17:22] <LRond_> hi there
[17:23] <LRond_> can anyone explain me how i change the desktop resolution in lxde when no screen is plugged in? it is 656x416 at default
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[17:28] <Twinnie> so how do I find the local session if I want to attach to it using screen over ssh? I'm trying 'who' but it's starting to look like I have to log in to the local machine first. would I have to automate login to get this going?
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[17:34] <shiftplusone> Yeah, like I said, the session needs to be created first.
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[17:36] <Bushmills> logged in, per ssh, as same user? just screen -x
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[17:37] <arrnas> does anyone here use the rpi as a torrent server?
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[17:38] <zeroZshadow> aloha
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[17:38] <zeroZshadow> so, got an powered usb hub as was recommended this week
[17:38] <zeroZshadow> lets see if everything stays working this time..
[17:40] <shiftplusone> Were you the hard drive guy?
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[17:42] <zeroZshadow> yup xD
[17:44] <shiftplusone> Ah, good luck
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[17:55] <zeroZshadow> well even if it breaks again, ill know for sure its not the power this time
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[18:20] <zeroZshadow> shiftplusone, it crashed again
[18:20] <shiftplusone> checked the logs?
[18:20] <zeroZshadow> im not sure how, could you help me out?
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[18:20] <zeroZshadow> .. nvm
[18:21] <zeroZshadow> i found out what happened
[18:21] <shiftplusone> what was it?
[18:21] <zeroZshadow> i feel stupid..
[18:21] <shiftplusone> XD.... go on
[18:21] <zeroZshadow> the power cable went out =.=
[18:21] <shiftplusone> heh
[18:21] <zeroZshadow> shoot me xD
[18:23] <zeroZshadow> oh well ill take the opertunity to throw loads of data on the disk before turning it back on
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[18:24] <drobban> hahaha....
[18:24] <drobban> that made my evening
[18:24] <drobban> ;)
[18:24] <zeroZshadow> heh ur welcome i guess
[18:25] <zeroZshadow> hmm trying to think of more software thinks i should try with my pi
[18:25] <zeroZshadow> deluge is pretty nice, although a little heavy
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[18:25] <shiftplusone> rtorrent
[18:26] <BenTheRabbit> Hi all!
[18:26] <zeroZshadow> rtorrent?
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[18:27] <shiftplusone> http://kmandla.wordpress.com/2007/05/02/howto-use-rtorrent-like-a-pro/
[18:28] <zeroZshadow> im guessing its a torrent client?
[18:28] <shiftplusone> one way to find out
[18:28] <zeroZshadow> bing it!
[18:29] <shiftplusone> exactly
[18:29] <shiftplusone> http://lmbtfy.com/?q=rtorrent
[18:29] <zeroZshadow> omg that site is seriously there
[18:29] <zeroZshadow> so sad
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[18:30] <zeroZshadow> i was actually hoping it would redirect me to google
[18:30] <zeroZshadow> i was dissapointed
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[18:33] <BenTheRabbit> I just get my raspberry pi and I already have problems. When I plug it the ACT led stay green for a second and then nothing. It seems it come from my sd card, but I have no problem to read and format it from my PC. Any idea?
[18:34] <Bushmills> what power supply do you use?
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[18:35] <shiftplusone> BenTheRabbit, using the lastest files from raspberrypi.org/downloads ?
[18:36] <drobban> followed the instructions?
[18:36] <shiftplusone> favourite colour blue?
[18:36] <BenTheRabbit> Bushmills: The one I bought with my raspberry
[18:36] <BenTheRabbit> shiftplusone: yes
[18:36] <shiftplusone> Don't trust pre-made sdcards.
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[18:36] <BenTheRabbit> I follow these guide : http://elinux.org/RPi_Easy_SD_Card_Setup
[18:37] <shiftplusone> ah
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[18:37] <Bushmills> did you buy a power supply which delivers high enough current with your raspberry?
[18:37] <BenTheRabbit> I also tried to format it with openelec
[18:37] <shiftplusone> So what happens with the OK/ACT light exactly when you power it up?
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[18:37] <BenTheRabbit> 5V, 1A
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[18:38] <Bushmills> that's be enough
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[18:38] <BenTheRabbit> OK stay green for a second, and then nothing
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[18:38] <BenTheRabbit> POWER always stay on
[18:38] <shiftplusone> no flashing, just solid green?
[18:38] <BenTheRabbit> yes, but just a sec
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[18:39] <shiftplusone> That does not seem to be one of the options >_<
[18:39] <shiftplusone> http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting#Power_.2F_Start-up
[18:39] <BenTheRabbit> XD
[18:39] <shiftplusone> Tried 'NOOBS' ?
[18:40] <BenTheRabbit> Yeah, I already saw this
[18:40] <BenTheRabbit> Hmm nop
[18:40] <shiftplusone> http://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads http://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/quick-start-guide-v2.pdf
[18:40] <nerdboy> moin
[18:41] <shiftplusone> ey
[18:41] <BenTheRabbit> thx
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[18:54] <LRond_> is there a way to change the default screen resolution from 656x416 to 800x600 when no screen is plugged in?
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[18:55] <shiftplusone> Is this composite or HDMI? O_o
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[18:55] <LRond_> none of them
[18:56] <LRond_> trying to stream the video output via x11vnc
[18:56] <LRond_> on my kindle, it is workin so far, i just need to resize the desktop
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[19:02] <nerdboy> stream via x11?
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[19:02] <nerdboy> you mean xrdp or somethign else?
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[19:03] <nerdboy> with vnc you can set the desktop geometry ...
[19:04] <shiftplusone> He's using x11vnc, which uses the 'real' x11 server
[19:04] <LRond_> i'm running a vnc session for the real screen :0 and usin my kindle to connect to it via vnc and an isolated network
[19:04] <shiftplusone> Since he doesn't have anything plugged in, it's assuming RCA is connected... giving him a strange resolution.
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[19:04] <LRond_> ye
[19:04] <LRond_> right
[19:05] <shiftplusone> you just need to play with config.txt , but I don't know exactly what you need to change.
[19:05] <nerdboy> still, vncserver has a geometry switch
[19:05] <shiftplusone> elinux.org/RPiconfig
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[19:06] <LRond_> i already tried it with force hdmi hotplug
[19:06] <LRond_> and overscan option
[19:06] <LRond_> but nothin is working
[19:06] <LRond_> editing the xorg.conf wont solve my problem too
[19:08] <shiftplusone> nothing to do with xorg.conf or overscan
[19:09] <shiftplusone> Try these settings http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=45799&p=361617
[19:11] <LRond_> this is exactly what ive done b4
[19:12] <shiftplusone> did you reboot?
[19:12] <LRond_> sure
[19:12] <LRond_> but there is nothing else in my config.txt
[19:13] <shiftplusone> Keep googling then. Or post your config.txt, the steps you have taken so far and the commands you are running on the forum.
[19:14] <nerdboy> let me unpug hdmi...
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[19:15] <LRond_> spend at least 20h with googling so far, i have no idea what i have to look for
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[19:18] <BenTheRabbit> shiftplusone: I think my SD just die. After writing 1Go, it switch to read-only
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[19:18] <shiftplusone> BenTheRabbit, ah, well there's your problem then.
[19:18] <BenTheRabbit> XD
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[19:19] <BenTheRabbit> Thanks anyway!
[19:19] <Pret0r1ab> Hello all
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[19:19] <shiftplusone> hi
[19:20] <Pret0r1ab> I am trying to set the gpio defaults so that they are persistent across reboots. Is this possible?
[19:20] <shiftplusone> for example?
[19:21] <Pret0r1ab> I want to set my gpio 25 as out; gpio10 as in pull down for example
[19:21] <ozzzy> put it in rc.local
[19:21] <shiftplusone> Not that I am aware of =/
[19:21] <shiftplusone> ozzzy, well, that's cheating
[19:23] <ozzzy> well... could always hack things up to put an autoexec.bat in
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[19:23] <shiftplusone> D=
[19:23] <Pret0r1ab> So no recommended method
[19:23] <Pret0r1ab> I mean official way
[19:23] <ozzzy> what's wrong with /etc/rc.local
[19:24] <Pret0r1ab> Shiftplusone ??
[19:24] <shiftplusone> I don't know.
[19:24] <shiftplusone> It's a bit of a strange question. You'd want to set it as output to control it... something that would control it would need to be started... the 'normal' way to do things is to initialize the gpio ports as you need them in the program that uses them...
[19:25] <ozzzy> yeah... that's the 'correct' way I guess
[19:25] <IT_Sean> ^ that
[19:26] <Pret0r1ab> That's what I am asking. When the board starts up I want to initialise all gpio pets to the way I need them to be setup.
[19:27] <Pret0r1ab> I think I will setup an init.d script using the skeleton to initialise all gpio ports for my programs to access
[19:27] <Pret0r1ab> Good idea
[19:27] <ozzzy> the thing is... to use them you have to run an app/script.... so initialize the needed pins when that runs
[19:28] <Pret0r1ab> Cool
[19:28] <Pret0r1ab> Is there an easy way to disable the gui keeping ssh
[19:29] <shiftplusone> Raspbian?
[19:29] <Pret0r1ab> I want to performance. Yes raspbian
[19:29] <shiftplusone> run 'sudo raspi-config' and change the setting there.
[19:29] <Pret0r1ab> What you use?
[19:29] <shiftplusone> Arch
[19:29] <ozzzy> I don't have a monitor on my Pi... so I just use ssh
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[19:31] <Pret0r1ab> Me too but I know lxde is running. I get ssh lag etc. How is arch does it have a lot of libraries by default
[19:32] <shiftplusone> arch has nothing by default
[19:33] <Pret0r1ab> Have you got gertboard
[19:33] <ozzzy> I see Xorg in 'top'... but it's only using ~1% of cpu/mem... so I leave it
[19:33] <shiftplusone> other than the essentials
[19:33] <shiftplusone> (it has sshd enabled by default though)
[19:34] <Pret0r1ab> ozzy maybe I'll try overclocking
[19:35] <shiftplusone> Nope
[19:35] <shiftplusone> You can easily stop xorg from starting automatically though
[19:35] <shiftplusone> that would be a silly reason to switch distros
[19:35] <ozzzy> once in a blue moon I want the gui... so I just start vncserver :1 and use it remotely
[19:35] <Pret0r1ab> shiftplusone which setting in raspi-config were you referring to
[19:36] <Pret0r1ab> Boot to desktop
[19:37] <shiftplusone> I dunno, but it should be obvious.
[19:37] <shiftplusone> yes
[19:37] <Pret0r1ab> Thought so. Cheers
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[19:38] <jaha1> hey all
[19:39] <jaha1> how do you control the "grounds" on a pi, im trying to figure out the basic RGB led
[19:39] <shiftplusone> You don't control grounds.... ground is ground. Could you be more specific?
[19:40] <jaha1> i have a common anode led, so im assuming i hook up the + to 3.3 and the grounds to GPIO pins?
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[19:41] <jaha1> im just not sur on how to trigger the gpio pins when they connected to the - of the led
[19:41] <shiftplusone> I think you mean the annode, not ground
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[19:41] <shiftplusone> *anode
[19:41] <jaha1> cathode right? since its a common anode led?
[19:41] <shiftplusone> or negative side
[19:41] <shiftplusone> yeah, I always get those confused >_<
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[19:42] <jaha1> ok so i have the anode->3.3 and the cathodes->GPIOs
[19:42] <shiftplusone> in this context, ground is 0v, so hopefuly you understand why your question didn't make sense initially.
[19:42] <shiftplusone> You'll need a resistor as well
[19:42] <jaha1> yea i mispoke
[19:42] <jaha1> i have resistors on all cathodes
[19:43] <shiftplusone> https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/gpio-examples/tux-crossing/gpio-examples-1-a-single-led/
[19:43] <jaha1> ok ive gotten than, im tryign to figure out the RGB led now
[19:44] <shiftplusone> There's not much of a difference
[19:44] <shiftplusone> I would just have the one resistor on the common side
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[19:46] <jaha1> shiftplusone: i figured but this is where im confused, the led has current now since the anode is on 3.3 (not a gpio), so the 3 gpios on the cathodes are HIGH now, how do i "trigger" those gpios
[19:46] <jaha1> i hope im explaining myself right :/
[19:46] <shiftplusone> Are you using wiringpi?
[19:47] <jaha1> im testing with gpio (the cmd line), using node.js after
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[19:48] <shiftplusone> Haven't used it myself, but the documentation for the gpio command is here http://wiringpi.com/the-gpio-utility/
[19:49] <nerdboy> LRond_; find anything?
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[19:50] <nerdboy> not sure what you have installed, but in the yocto image it's x11vnc which only serves up what the real X server provides
[19:50] <shiftplusone> nerdboy, that's what he said
[19:51] <nerdboy> x11vnc does have a "scale" option to resize what it gets from X but that's less than optimal
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[19:51] <nerdboy> should be able to set it on the X side but i'm not sure how
[19:52] <nerdboy> or maybe replace x11vnc with tightvnc and then it's easy...
[19:53] <jaha1> shiftplusone: yea i got that too,, im just unclear as to what i need to change, since its essentially "opposite" than the standard led, in which i would set the anode's pin to HIGH and the cathode would be on ground, now the anode is on 3.3 and the cathodes on pins need triggered, what do i need to do to the pins to complete the circuit?
[19:53] <jaha1> sry for the dumb questions
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[19:53] <shiftplusone> jaha, setting it low should turn on the led
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[19:54] <jaha1> shiftplusone: thats what i thought but its doesnt seem to let me
[19:54] <shiftplusone> in what way?
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[19:55] <LRond_> the problem with tightvnc is that i cant use the real x screen
[19:56] <LRond_> so i can't us the plugged keyboard display :1
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[19:58] <jaha1> "gpio -g write 25 0" has no effect (which is how you set that pin)
[19:59] <jaha1> shiftplusone: ^
[20:00] <jaha1> does it have something to do with internal resistors?
[20:00] <Bushmills> there's also xtv, which doesn't provide greatest performance when copying screens
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[20:00] <Bushmills> no vnc involved wih that
[20:00] <shiftplusone> jaha, what value resistors are you using? Have you checked with a multimeter that the pin is going high or low as you use the gpio command?
[20:00] <Bushmills> i think it is a kludge
[20:01] <shiftplusone> jaha1, *
[20:01] <shiftplusone> bbiab, food.
[20:01] <nerdboy> LRond_; probably you really want somethign like tightvnc or maybe fbvncserver
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[20:04] <shiftplusone> since he said he's using it to stream video, I don't think he wants either really O_o
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[20:05] <shiftplusone> there doesn't seem to be a 'right' way to use vnc for that
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[20:06] <nineteen67comet> Hello everyone; I've got a hopefully simple question: can I get nfs-kernel-server working in Wheezy? I know it's missing the portmap (think that's the name) but can I work around that so I can shut my main nfs box down and use my pi as the media server (it's also running mediatomb)
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[20:09] <Exposure> just installed latest wheezy on a new sdcard and it's wlan problems all over again, thought this was fixed :(
[20:11] <nerdboy> shiftplusone: stream video by watching it on a remote desktop?
[20:11] <nerdboy> eww...
[20:11] <shiftplusone> Yes, I hope I misunderstood him.
[20:11] <Bushmills> nineteen67comet: rpcbind or portmap. either works
[20:12] <Bushmills> iirc, just installing nfs-kernel-server was all it needed
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[20:12] <Bushmills> nfs isn't really great with disappeating nfs servers
[20:13] <shiftplusone> Ah, I think I have. "trying to stream the video output via x11vnc" was what he actually said
[20:13] <Bushmills> coda is more suited for high fluctuation environments
[20:13] <Bushmills> a way around could be, use autofs, and set idle time really low.
[20:13] <JakeSays> gordonDrogon: ricksl: so i'm going to make a radio shack run today and get a collection of components. any suggestions on common diodes, resistors, caps, etc? also a/d converters, other misc. ic's
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[20:14] <Bushmills> that way, the nfs mount will get released shortly after finishing to use it, and only re-mounted again when needed again
[20:14] <nineteen67comet> Bushmills: I just re-installed it and it's looking good .. ;)
[20:15] <JaceP> i'm wanting to capture frames from a video camera, maybe around 10 to 15fps, 640x480 should be fine, and do some analysis on the image data. i have no interest in storing or transmitting the data and a continuous video stream is not necessary.
[20:16] <JaceP> if possible, i'd like to hook up multiple cameras to the same uc. from what i've read rpi can pretty comfortably handle what i want for a single camera, but is there a possiblity of multiple?
[20:16] <shiftplusone> JakeSays, I know that wasn't directed at me, but I'll jump in anyway. Get assorted kits of ceramic and electrolytic caps, resistors and trimpots if you can.
[20:16] <JakeSays> shiftplusone: feel free :)
[20:16] <JakeSays> yeah iirc they have a couple of kits like that
[20:17] <shiftplusone> As far as ICs go, it really depends on what you want to do.
[20:17] <nineteen67comet> Bushmills: Was it a recent update to include portmap with nfs-kernel? SUCH a lifesaver that one .. lol .. i can shut down my old box now and stick with my pi+USB drives .. awesome happy weekend now
[20:17] <JakeSays> shiftplusone: well, thats the thing - i wont know 'till i know :)
[20:18] <JakeSays> i do know i need at least an a/d converter
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[20:18] <shiftplusone> MCP3008 seems to be a popular one
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[20:19] <zeroZshadow> hiya
[20:19] <ricksl> sorry jake was afk for awahile
[20:19] <zeroZshadow> so, bad news, it did actually stop now...
[20:19] <zeroZshadow> how can i check the "logs"
[20:19] <JakeSays> ricksl: no prob.
[20:20] <ricksl> I would suggest to get a few mosfet transistors, n channel mosfets
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[20:20] <zeroZshadow> i booted the pi, deluge nicely started on boot, i connected to it using deluge on my desktop
[20:20] <ricksl> they make switching things high power things on and off a breeze
[20:20] <zeroZshadow> added a torrent, and i just noticed i can't connect using deluge anymore
[20:20] <JakeSays> excellent
[20:20] <zeroZshadow> i can still ssh it
[20:21] <zeroZshadow> the hd is also still mounted
[20:21] <JakeSays> zeroZshadow: when i first read that line i missed the space getween h and i
[20:21] <JakeSays> *between
[20:21] <zeroZshadow> ?
[20:21] <ricksl> A few resistors, I would get a few different groupings almost, so like a 10 ohm pack a 100 ohm 200, get a few types between 100 and 1 megohm
[20:22] <ricksl> you can get ones like 1k and 10k for example just to have for when you are working at different signal levels.
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[20:22] <shiftplusone> JakeSays, when first getting started, I had fun with simple logic gates, counters and flip-flops. That lets you make simple state machines and stuff, but it's of little practical use.
[20:23] <ricksl> See if they have the linear 5 volt regulator if you want to play around with running your pi off a battery pack
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[20:23] <Exposure> can anyone tell me which wlan adapter works flawlessly? I will pay anything to get this working ffs
[20:23] <JakeSays> portability isn't a goal at this point. i have too many fun accessories to power
[20:23] <shiftplusone> Exposure, are you using a powered hub?
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[20:24] <TheNotary> Morning all, I've been thinking about replacing my windows 7 "File Server" (with 1.5TB raid 1 storage on a builtin motherboard fakeraid) with my a raspberry pi + some kind of USB based storage device. Does anyone have any thoughts on this before I start spending bucks?
[20:24] <Exposure> no it's not a power issue, the driver is crap
[20:24] <ricksl> a pack of leds wouldn't hurt, a pack of wire, a large breadboard and a soldering kit
[20:25] <shiftplusone> TheNotary, it will work, but don't expect good speeds.
[20:25] <TheNotary> k, thanks for the heads up
[20:25] <JakeSays> ohh: http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062306&znt_campaign=Category_CMS&znt_source=CAT&znt_medium=RSCOM&znt_content=CT2032230
[20:25] <TheNotary> it's hard to resist the 1.5watt power draw of these little boards though
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[20:25] <ricksl> Wish i found that when i got started in electronics
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[20:26] <shiftplusone> TheNotary, even if you don't end up using it as a file server, a pi is handy to have around.
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[20:26] <Exposure> the thing is, when I connect using wired lan, I can see the wlan device also has an IP and it appears to work fine. As soon as I disconnect the lan cable though, I can also not ping the wlan IP anymore. This can't be a power issue right?
[20:27] <JakeSays> gotta have a 555.
[20:27] <TheNotary> true that. Just having it near me inspires new ideas. It's almost an if-you-have-it-they-will-come sort of thing, ha
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[20:27] <ricksl> Thats true, won't help much with rpi interfacing but they are invaluable doing allot of things in electronics
[20:27] <JakeSays> ricksl: so something like this? http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=13339909&znt_campaign=Category_CMS&znt_source=CAT&znt_medium=RSCOM&znt_content=CT2032230
[20:28] <ricksl> thats about right
[20:28] <TheNotary> shiftplusone: Do you know what kind of mb/s transfer rate I could expect from a Raspberry pi -> usb system I'd have? Would it be limited to like 10/ 20mb/s range? or less?
[20:28] <shiftplusone> TheNotary, I haven't done any tests myself, but I expect less.
[20:28] <ricksl> I would suggest ordering online since they are a good 50 cents wholesale or even 1 dollar online retail but sometimes you pay for convinence
[20:28] <JakeSays> hmm. an op-amp might be handy
[20:29] <shiftplusone> TheNotary, especially if you are copying stuff over the network.
[20:29] <JakeSays> ricksl: heh. i dont have the patience for on-line right now.
[20:29] <JakeSays> that'll come after i've fed my addiction a bit
[20:29] <TheNotary> damn, I'll test things out later tonight with a standard usb hdd and see where it's at. Yeah, it's all about the network transfers I'm looking for
[20:30] <ricksl> I am trying to think of other things
[20:30] <shiftplusone> TheNotary, The pi's ethernet chip is connected through usb, so if you have a lot of USB and network traffic, it doesn't work too well.
[20:30] <ricksl> because their online search thing is awful so I can't find what I am looking for too well
[20:30] <JakeSays> an optoisolator might be handy
[20:30] <TheNotary> oh, yikes. Thanks for the heads up about that. That pretty much puts this idea to bed, ha
[20:31] <JakeSays> TheNotary: the best file server *anywhere* is one running zfs.
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[20:31] <ricksl> refresh my memory as to what those do jake
[20:32] <JakeSays> its basically a relay implemented with a transistor and a photo diode/resistor pair
[20:32] <JakeSays> iirc
[20:32] <shiftplusone> Yeah, but why do you think you need it?
[20:32] <JakeSays> it would totally protect the pi
[20:32] <ricksl> Sounds overdone, there are plenty of ways to implement that with transistors
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[20:33] <shiftplusone> They are usually used in audio devices to help deal with ground loops, or medical devices to make sure everything is properly decoupled.
[20:33] <JakeSays> its almost impossible to damage the protected side
[20:33] <ricksl> and it sounds like it would limit speed of the signals
[20:33] <ricksl> heh I remember hearing the same promises and just ruining sensitive electronics
[20:34] <JakeSays> shiftplusone: heh. maybe i'll make myself a new pacemaker.
[20:34] <nineteen67comet> Hello; I've got my original media/storage/mediatomb box that I no longer need to be on all the time (thank you nfs on raspberry pi) .. but I would like to use it as the backup via rsync to my raspberry pi sever. But I want the old box to start up weekly; back up via rsync from the raspberry pi and shut back down. Ideas on a script to run on boot on the old box?
[20:35] <shiftplusone> heh
[20:35] <ricksl> I always wanted to make some sort of embedded heart monitor device that would send a distress signal if I flatlined
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[20:35] <ricksl> so my evil layer would know to self distruct once the hero killed me
[20:35] <shiftplusone> heh
[20:36] <JakeSays> so what sort of diode do i want to protect the pi against motor field collapse?
[20:36] <ricksl> just a regular diode
[20:36] <shiftplusone> pretty much any
[20:36] <ricksl> here one sec
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[20:36] <JakeSays> brb..
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[20:36] <shiftplusone> 1N4001
[20:37] <ricksl> just remember to implement it somethign like this http://homepage.cs.uiowa.edu/~jones/step/circuitsf/2.gif
[20:37] <ricksl> oh okay I wasn't doing what you were doing but it looks like we were both useful in this
[20:37] <shiftplusone> or something like a 1N4148
[20:37] <shiftplusone> heh
[20:37] <shiftplusone> yeah =/
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[20:38] <ricksl> long story short you always want to bridge it across any inductive load connected to anything sensitive
[20:38] <ricksl> you want to connect it in reverse to the normal flow of current though so that inductive backspike of sometimes 3x the voltage doesn't fry anything
[20:41] <shiftplusone> Ooh... op-amps... those may come in handy as well.
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[20:41] <ricksl> yeah those would
[20:42] <ricksl> im trying to think what radioshack would carry that would be useful
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[20:45] <shiftplusone> I still vote for some logic gates, flipflops, counters and a copy of "The Elements of Computing Systems" by Nisan and Schocken >.>
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[20:45] <jaha1> shiftplusone: it was the pin mode… there were all IN and needed to be OUT
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[20:45] <shiftplusone> >_<
[20:46] <shiftplusone> Yeah, that would be the first thing to change.
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[20:50] <JakeSays> back
[20:50] <JakeSays> shiftplusone: i used to own that book
[20:51] <shiftplusone> why 'used to'? D=
[20:51] <JakeSays> it disappeared. i probably lent it to someone and forgot who
[20:51] <shiftplusone> ah
[20:52] <JakeSays> along with both dragon books and the knuth series
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[20:52] <JakeSays> actually those were lost in a minor flood
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[20:53] <ricksl> so yeah just read what you missed and that will bring you up to speed about what me and shift were talking about
[20:53] <shiftplusone> 'dragon books' ?
[20:54] <JakeSays> yeah the seminal books on compiler construction. named dragon books because they have dragons on their cover
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[20:55] <shiftplusone> Thanks, I'll check it out.
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[20:55] <shiftplusone> "Principles of Compiler Design" and "Compilers: Principles, Techniques, and Tools" I am guessing. Worth reading then?
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[20:56] <JakeSays> yeah
[20:56] <JakeSays> hmm. looks like there's a 3rd edition now
[20:56] <JakeSays> very cool
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[20:57] <JakeSays> they're awesome books, but not easy reading
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[20:57] <shiftplusone> I have a little bit of background knowledge, so I should be able to work through them.
[20:57] <JakeSays> shiftplusone: this is the original: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principles_of_Compiler_Design
[20:58] <ricksl> So I was wondering why my keyboard doesn't work with my pi, the dell sk8125 (the standard for office clutter thrown out with every generation) drew 1.5 amps and didn't work with the pi
[20:58] <JakeSays> geez. 1.5a?
[20:58] <shiftplusone> O_o
[20:58] <ricksl> it has a built in hub, but i looked at it under a computer oscope
[20:58] <ricksl> it would like tkae large 1.5 amps pulses
[20:58] <ricksl> almost surges
[20:59] <LRond_> nerdboy, is there a way to use the mouse and keyboard in tightvnc on display :1
[20:59] <nerdboy> it should just work...
[20:59] <nerdboy> what exactly are you doing?
[20:59] <JakeSays> ohh a temperature sensor would be fun
[21:00] <nerdboy> how about a 1-wire bus full of sensors?
[21:01] <JakeSays> yeah my local RS isn't gonna have a lot of 1-wire stuff :p
[21:01] <nerdboy> N x fun, wher N is the number of sensors?
[21:01] <ricksl> you might get lucky and find i2c stuff
[21:01] <LRond_> a few month ago i saw the "kindberry the 2nd" topic at the raspberry page, but i thought the extra stuff like a mini router is useless and so a made my own kind of it
[21:01] <LRond_> i made my own AP and contectet my kindle with it
[21:02] <LRond_> next i installed vncviewer on kindle and x11vnc on my raspberry
[21:02] <LRond_> i'm just trying to use my kindle as a wireless monitor for the raspberry
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[21:04] <nerdboy> should ork fine, sounds you just need to set the size of the X display
[21:04] <nerdboy> *work
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[21:04] <ricksl> someone should see if they could get something like this working on the pi http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=16518376
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[21:04] <JakeSays> ricksl: yeah that would be awesome
[21:04] <LRond_> yeah thats where i stuck
[21:05] <ricksl> I know there are usb modems but calling with one of those would suck
[21:05] <ricksl> this actually has a headphone and mic jack
[21:05] <cbb2296> Can bluez read metadata from the bluetooth stream?
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[21:05] <nerdboy> but watching a video remotely vs on the kindle directly doesn't make a lot of sense to me...
[21:06] <LRond_> no i wont watch a video on it
[21:06] <JakeSays> ricksl: the gyroscope module would be fun too
[21:06] <ricksl> they sell those in some stores jack, buy one. do it jake
[21:06] <cbb2296> does anyone know where to find some bluez documentation?
[21:06] <ricksl> jake*
[21:06] <LRond_> with "stream" i ment just view the desktop
[21:06] <JakeSays> lol
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[21:07] <LRond_> i wanna just use libre office and suft in a textbrowser with it
[21:07] <LRond_> surf*
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[21:07] <ricksl> oh jake, another awesome project with the pi, they won't sell anythign for it in radio shack
[21:07] <ricksl> but xbee wireless serial modems
[21:08] <LRond_> so maybe was "stream" the wrong word in this contex
[21:08] <JakeSays> hmm. i saw an xbee wireless board at rs last time i was there
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[21:08] <ricksl> really?
[21:09] <JakeSays> yup. almost bought it
[21:09] <Exposure> ok now using powered usb hub just to be sure, but as soon as I pull the lan cable, the wifi goes down :(
[21:09] <ricksl> well this time do it. buy two
[21:09] <ricksl> cause one won't do much
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[21:09] <ricksl> they work at 3.3 volts so no level conversion with the pi
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[21:10] <Grievre> So I have a raspberry pi mastering an I2C bus consisting of 18 avr microcontrollers. If you try to boot the pi with the AVRs powered off, it gets stuck in the boot sequence at the point where it loads the I2C driver
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[21:10] <Grievre> if you unplug the I2C bus, boot it, and then plug it back in, everything works fine from there.
[21:10] <ricksl> and they act as a wireless serial modem. so you could have a pi sitting in your back yard and have it do sensor data and then send serial messages back to your computer with the data
[21:11] <JakeSays> ricksl: so i'd need one on each end?
[21:11] <ricksl> are you using pullup resistors and level converters? thats all I can think of
[21:12] <ricksl> yeah you would need one recieving and one sending, but they go both ways so you can have the pi send you data to your computer and send data back
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[21:13] <Grievre> ricksl: Yes and yes
[21:14] <ricksl> I don't know whats up but what are you trying to do with 18 avrs?
[21:14] <shiftplusone> Exposure, maybe post the question on the forum.
[21:14] <Grievre> ricksl: never mind, thanks for your help
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[21:16] <cbb2296> hey guys does anyone know how to pause a song that is playing over bluetooth? I can't find documentation for any of this stuff
[21:16] <ricksl> JakeSays I have one of these on the way with an xbee and temp sensor http://www.seeedstudio.com/depot/wireless-sensor-node-solar-kit-p-919.html
[21:17] <JakeSays> ricksl: hmm. iirc the xbee module i saw ws from seeed
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[21:17] <ricksl> i will try (if my lethargy doesn't compel me otherwise) to have it send data back to a pi running a graphical "temperature outside" thing on a mini screen
[21:18] <ricksl> Xbee modules don't come branded with anything but xbee I don't think
[21:18] <ricksl> i know you can find seeed arduino shields
[21:19] <Exposure> shiftplusone: psu was only supplying 4.6V so that might be the problem
[21:19] <Exposure> i was using the same psu to power the hub
[21:19] <shiftplusone> Yeah, that's more than a little low =/
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[21:42] <dreamreal> gordonDrogon: hello
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[21:47] <nerdboy> LRond_; i got it to switch to vga mode with hdmi_safe and ignore_cec
[21:47] <nerdboy> trying 720p...
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[21:48] <gordonDrogon> dreamreal, evening ...
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[21:49] <gordonDrogon> Grievre, I think it's deliberate - if you pull one of the I2C pins to 0v at boot time, it tries to load the emergency kernel.
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[21:50] <dreamreal> gordonDrogon: I may send a set of patches for your review - I found a bug with wiringpi related to concurrency
[21:51] <dreamreal> I need to test it (and finish writing it) though
[21:51] <dreamreal> must run, will be in touch (probably send the patch early next week)
[21:53] <gordonDrogon> ok
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[21:54] <nerdboy> LRond_; works for me...
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[21:56] <Grievre> gordonDrogon: OK, but it looks like the normal boot sequence until it just suddenly stops :O
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[22:00] <nerdboy> http://tinyurl.com/mxuw2td <= 720p xvnc desktop
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[22:02] <shiftplusone> Looks like somebody likes graphs
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[22:02] <nerdboy> with nothing plugged into the hdmi port...
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[22:03] <gordonDrogon> Grievre, trying to find a link to a web page for that - you short the pin to 0v - with a jumper to make it do some alternative boot..
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[22:04] <shiftplusone> Yup, that's a thing that it does.
[22:04] <shiftplusone> http://elinux.org/RPI_safe_mode
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[22:05] <nerdboy> shiftplusone: it's my poor-man's monitoring desktop
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[22:06] <shiftplusone> Fair enough. +1 on the openbox and tint2 combo though =D
[22:06] <gordonDrogon> yup - "safe mode". Short the SCL pin to 0v. So I suspect all those arduinos turned off are effectively shorting the pin to0v.
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[22:06] <dreamreal> gordonDrogon: sorry to post and run like that, at a conference :/
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[22:07] <gordonDrogon> dreamreal, hope it's good one..
[22:07] <nerdboy> shiftplusone: maximum free memory...
[22:07] <dreamreal> anyway, there're a lot of calls in (for example) mcp23008.c where sequencing can be affected by threading
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[22:07] <Grievre> gordonDrogon: Hmm, but then why does it get through the boot sequence and then just stop? it doesn't pop up a root shell or anything
[22:07] <dreamreal> gordonDrogon: southeast linux fest, charlotte, NC, USA
[22:07] <gordonDrogon> Grievre, I've no idea.
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[22:08] <Grievre> gordonDrogon: It looks like the point where it's stopping is the point where the i2c driver would normally load, so I'm guessing something funky happens when it switches the GPIO pin into I2C mode
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[22:08] <gordonDrogon> dreamreal, oh yes - lots not very thread safe.
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[22:09] <shiftplusone> nerdboy, my 150MHz laptop >_< http://i442.photobucket.com/albums/qq149/Shiftplusone/screenshot-20100102164845.png
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[22:09] <dreamreal> gordonDrogon: Yeah. I've been testing thread safety mechanisms; they're pretty light, in the end, if you're interested
[22:09] <gordonDrogon> dreamreal, trouble is - I have no control over other programs running on the Pi that might be using it too...
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[22:09] <dreamreal> gordonDrogon: hmmmm, good point, I didn't think of that.
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[22:09] <dreamreal> yeeks.
[22:09] <gordonDrogon> dreamreal, so it's possible to protect yourself in one program, but hard if theres others running.
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[22:10] <dreamreal> yeah, I can see that. It'd be possible to protect yourself even across programs, but... speed would be critically affected, as well as complexity
[22:10] <gordonDrogon> I2C is already slow..
[22:10] <gordonDrogon> you can't make it much slower ;-)
[22:11] <dreamreal> hey, now - I'm getting some excellent i2c rates through wiringpi!
[22:11] <gordonDrogon> part of the issue is that we're now poking I2C hardware directly from userland, when traiditonally the kernel might have done it in the past..
[22:11] <dreamreal> I'm oversampling for software debouncing, even, and it's quite fast enough for human interaction
[22:11] <nerdboy> looks nice...
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[22:11] <nerdboy> what's the desktop widget?
[22:12] <gordonDrogon> dreamreal, sure - it's fast enough - but 100Kbps... 10 bits per byte xfered, etc. it all adds up!
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[22:12] <shiftplusone> conky
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[22:12] <dreamreal> gordonDrogon: yeah, agreed. What I did was write code that actually pulled all eight bits at once, to cut down on i2c traffic. (I have each mcp23008 set to all-input or all-output.)
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[22:13] <gordonDrogon> yea - I have a writeByte/readByte code in the wings...
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[22:13] <dreamreal> gordonDrogon: http://github.com/jottinger/alcyone has it as well, although if you have it you probably don't need mine in the least
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[22:14] * nerdboy wonders if there's an openembedded recipe for that...
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[22:15] <gordonDrogon> dreamreal, an issue is giving the pin number of the start bit for the next 8 bits to read - I made it too generic :)
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[22:15] * dreamreal nods. I was lucky - I knew what I wanted entirely, so i could allocate all eight bits how I liked
[22:15] <gordonDrogon> right - well I've been out most of the day then had a nice BBQ, now for a relaxing bath :) laters!
[22:15] <dreamreal> It'd be trivial to go to an mcp23017, but hey
[22:15] <dreamreal> enjoy!
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[22:30] <LRond_> thx nerdboy, i gonna try this
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[22:31] <nerdboy> also hdmi_drive=1 to disable audio to the phantom "display"
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[22:32] <LRond_> do i need a jumper for save mode?
[22:32] <nerdboy> so to change the hd mode, you need to replicate all the settings enabled by hdmi_safe and pick the mode you want
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[22:34] <nerdboy> no, everything is in config.txt
[22:34] <chod> anyone use tmux ?
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[22:34] <shiftplusone> sometimes
[22:35] <chod> i use it on this pi a lot, but with irssi i wan to split my connected channels to different panes, any ideas
[22:36] <chod> i have seen the scripts for status and memb lists
[22:36] <shiftplusone> no clue
[22:36] <chod> np
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[22:44] <citric> does anyone sell a raspi package? like the raspi + casing + memorycard or do you have to build your own package?
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[22:45] <nerdboy> LRond_; start with this and read the comments => http://tinyurl.com/mrxs4mp
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[22:46] <shiftplusone> citric, Most distributors also sell sd cards and enclosures, some sell it all as a kit. If not, just add them to the basket before checking out.
[22:46] <nerdboy> put it on your boot partition as config.txt
[22:46] <LRond_> ok but is it just for 720p? i need a resolution for 800x600
[22:46] <LRond_> of*
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[22:53] <nerdboy> change mode setting
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[23:19] <histo> citric: you can order all three on amazon. If you look up raspberry pi's it will show suggestions for what most people order.
[23:20] <shiftplusone> amazon is not more expensive than directly from the distributors?
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[23:27] <citric> histo, thanks bud
[23:28] <LRond_> can't get it ... my config.txt looks like this hdmi_safe=1 hdmi_ignore_cec=1 hdmi_drive=1 hdmi_group=2 hdmi_mode=9
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[23:28] <LRond_> but it wont change anything
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[23:29] <histo> shiftplusone: it is but not when you account for free shipping it's cheaper
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[23:29] <citric> the raspi already doesn't come with it's own power supply?
[23:30] <shiftplusone> I don't know what they do worldwide, but in Australia, element14/farnell/newark/whateveritiswhereyoulive do free shipping on orders over $45. So a pi + a case means free shipping.
[23:30] <shiftplusone> citric, it does not.
[23:30] <citric> is this a good deal: http://www.amazon.com/CanaKit-Raspberry-Complete-Starter-Pre-Loaded/dp/B008XVAVAW/ref=sr_1_3?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1370726903&sr=1-3&keywords=raspberry+pi
[23:31] <shiftplusone> Nope
[23:32] <shiftplusone> And a 4GB card may be too small, depending on what you intend to do.
[23:34] <citric> shiftplusone, I plan on getting a powered usb hub and using an external drive for all data
[23:34] <histo> citric: it uses a usb cable
[23:34] <shiftplusone> Ah, then 4GB is plenty
[23:34] <citric> whats the normal price for a raspi model B revision 2.0 ?
[23:34] <histo> citric: yeah that's pretty much a good price. You could substitute the 4gb card for 8gb
[23:34] <pksato> $35 :)
[23:34] <shiftplusone> $35 + tax (if any) + shipping.
[23:35] <citric> damn, everyone on amazon wants at least $40 + shipping :/
[23:35] <shiftplusone> because they are all reselling
[23:35] <shiftplusone> citric, what country?
[23:35] <histo> citric: There is free shipping on amazon with prime
[23:35] <citric> shiftplusone, USA
[23:35] <shiftplusone> ok
[23:35] <histo> citric: it was cheaper for me because I have a prime account
[23:35] <citric> histo, I don't have prime
[23:36] <citric> I found it on amazon w/ 4GB SD card and a 150Mbps wireless n mini usb for 47.99 + shipping
[23:36] <shiftplusone> citric, http://www.newark.com/raspberry-pi/raspbrry-modb-512m/model-b-assembled-board-only/dp/43W5302
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[23:37] <pksato> for me, cost R$150 or 70USD + shipping.
[23:38] <histo> citric: then you'd have to order from element14 as shiftplusone has provided you the link if you don't want to pay more without amazon.
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[23:39] <nerdboy> LRond_: you need to disable the hdmi_safe one and enable all the stuff hdmi_safe does
[23:39] <nerdboy> then change the mode
[23:40] <citric> do we know when the next model of rapsi will be coming out ?
[23:40] <shiftplusone> not in the next few years
[23:40] <histo> citric: there is a model A that saves power
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[23:40] <shiftplusone> Less RAM and no ethernet though
[23:41] <LRond_> ah alright
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[23:43] <citric> histo, I WANT MORE POWAH!
[23:43] <histo> citric: I would use a model A if you are running off batteries and need low power consumption
[23:44] <SpeedEvil> Model B uses approximately the same power if you shut down USB
[23:44] <SpeedEvil> echo something >/proc/whatever
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[23:44] <citric> I don't care about power consumption, I just want to build a media center :)
[23:45] <pksato> buy a 'stick' with android and mali GPU. :)
[23:45] <shiftplusone> SpeedEvil, that's odd. I am sure they have said that there is no way to turn off the ethernet chip is software. Are you 100% sure that helps with power usage?
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[23:45] <SpeedEvil> yes
[23:46] <SpeedEvil> It is just in suspend mode - it does not technically turn it off.
[23:46] <shiftplusone> hm, thanks.
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[23:53] <citric> pksato, but i want to hook up external harddrive
[23:53] <ripzay> anyone here good with math? i need an algorythm to score a variable based on its deviation from another variable
[23:53] <pksato> citric: you can.
[23:53] <citric> pksato, link me to one please?
[23:54] <pksato> http://dx.com/p/cozyswan-mk802-android-4-0-4-google-tv-player-w-1gb-ram-4gb-rom-3g-wi-fi-hdmi-black-961194512
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[23:54] <ripzay> i.e. i have variable X, and variable Y, and based on deviation factor Z, i want to output a score between 0 and 1 (floating point) based on hos close variable X is to variable Y
[23:54] <ripzay> 0 being not close, 1 being close
[23:54] <ripzay> (and i suck at math) :p
[23:54] <citric> pksato, can you explain why this would benefit me for a media center over a raspi ?
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[23:54] <histo> ripzay: have you tried asking in python channel?
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[23:55] <ripzay> i haven't, good call!
[23:55] <pksato> citric: 4 core GPU.
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[23:57] <ripzay> disadvantage: no ethernet
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[23:57] <ripzay> so you will be limited to wifi for streaming
[23:58] <pksato> plug a usb ethernet.
[23:59] <histo> citric: you need to use a powered usb hub if you are going to use the pi to use an external drive
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[23:59] <citric> ripzay, yea i dont have ethernet anyways, all wifi here
[23:59] <citric> histo, i dont need one for that android ?
[23:59] <pksato> but, these sticks are finished product. just plug and play,

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