#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2013-06-09

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[0:00] <histo> citric: You may have trouble install xbmc on one of those.
[0:00] <ripzay> i have run xbmc on my android phone, it has its.. quirks
[0:00] <citric> histo, but will i need xbmc ?
[0:00] <ripzay> mainly around battery usage, but that wouldnt be a problem for that i guess :P
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[0:04] <citric> I just want something nice and easy that will play high quality video files @ 1080p w/ surround sound
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[0:08] <ripzay> i think i found the formula i need
[0:08] <ripzay> gaussian distribution
[0:11] <citric> histo, i dont need a usb powered hub for the android stick ?
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[0:11] <histo> citric: you may it depends on it's power supply etc...
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[0:25] <LRond_> yeah nerdboy, i managed it, had to add hdmi_ignore_edid=0xa5000080 and switch disable_overscan=0 to 1
[0:25] <LRond_> thx al for your help :D
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[0:29] <ParkerR> LRond_, What did you have to ginore for
[0:29] <ParkerR> *?
[0:30] <LRond_> for my "phantom" display
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[0:32] <LRond_> it had a 1280x720 resolution at hdmi_group=2 hdmi_mode=9 but it supposed to be 800x600
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[1:45] <mjkr> KiltedPi: ping
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[1:47] <\\Mr_C\\> pong
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[3:19] <citric> I am very close to buying the android stick thing, but I want to know why people even mess with the raspi if this exists since the raspi is lesser hardware
[3:19] <Triffid_Hunter> citric: rpi has more gpio and ethernet and hardware video decoding
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[3:20] <ozzzy> http://www.togastro.com/ozzzy/images/obs2.jpg <-- damn that's nice
[3:20] * ozzzy is working on Ri apps for that
[3:20] * shiftplusone drools
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[3:21] <citric> I dont know what gpio is, ethernet doesn't matter to me, and video decoding. whats that for?
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[3:23] <ParkerR> citric, Decoding video with the help of the GPU
[3:23] <na85> citric: hardware-accelerated video
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[3:24] <citric> so is that better than playing videos?
[3:24] <citric> 1080p w/ surround sound is what i want to play
[3:25] <TLoFP> are there any parallel buses available on the raspberry pi?
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[3:25] <TLoFP> like a 8, 16 or 32 bit SPI bus
[3:25] <ParkerR> citric, I dont know about surround but it certainly can handle 1080p
[3:25] <pksato> TLoFP: have a 17 bits pp port.
[3:25] <TLoFP> pp port?
[3:25] <shiftplusone> citric, if all you want is a device to consume entertainment, then the pi is definitely not for you. If, on the other hand, you want to learn about electronics and embedded systems or build something cool, that's where the pi is awesome.
[3:26] <pksato> parallel
[3:26] <pksato> or more
[3:26] <citric> I want to see some cool things people have done with the raspi, a google search doesnt return many cool things...
[3:27] <pksato> citric: that is cool for you?
[3:27] <citric> ?
[3:28] <pksato> a telescope guided by rpi is cool for me.
[3:28] <TLoFP> pksato: how would I implement this? how can I sychronize data output with the clock?
[3:28] <shiftplusone> what did you search for?
[3:28] <shiftplusone> "raspberry pi cool things" or something? >_<
[3:28] <citric> custom raspi inventions
[3:28] <pksato> TLoFP: but, SPI is a serial bus.
[3:29] <shiftplusone> try raspberry pi projects
[3:29] <pksato> like it http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/4170
[3:30] <pksato> other cool project http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/4123
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[3:32] <shiftplusone> Or sending them into 'space' http://www.daveakerman.com/?attachment_id=1180
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[3:40] <shiftplusone> pksato, so are you using it to control the mount and such?
[3:40] <pksato> no
[3:40] <shiftplusone> the camera?
[3:40] <pksato> my tele in on box, and my rpi to.
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[3:41] <shiftplusone> oh wait, I am asking the wrong person >_<
[3:41] <shiftplusone> ozzzy, what are you doing with that telescope exactly?
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[3:45] <na85> citric: there was a thread on reddit where people were posting their interesting ideas
[3:45] <na85> the one guy turned it into a sex toy for his wife that adjusted vibrators based on her heart rate or something
[3:45] <citric> so since you guys own them, what projects are you personally doing with them
[3:46] <na85> right now i use mine to water my plants automatically
[3:46] <na85> based on soil moisture
[3:46] <na85> but that's only because i am too busy to really sink my teeth into someting awesome
[3:47] <na85> i'd eventually like to get a lithium-polymer battery for it so I could use it for mobile robotics but those batteries are $$$$$$
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[3:48] <ozzzy> shiftplusone: it's our 2nd observatory building... that one is the 'visual and planetary' scope... our other building has an Astro-physics mount with a Ritchey-Chretien astrograph on it
[3:48] <citric> so wouldn't you rather use an arduino for something like that? if no, then why not?
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[3:49] <shiftplusone> >.>
[3:49] * shiftplusone looks up Ritchey-Chretien astrograph
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[3:50] <na85> citric: yeah maybe, but i wouldn't use an arduino because i think they're for noobs
[3:51] <citric> why do you think that?
[3:51] <na85> if i wasn't using the RPi i'd be using an AVR with all the circuitry done custom
[3:51] <na85> i dunno, because i'm an elitist
[3:51] <na85> :P
[3:51] <ozzzy> shiftplusone: hyperbolic optics
[3:51] <ozzzy> the thing that a Pi can do that an Arduino can't... is wirelessly remote USB
[3:51] <na85> ^
[3:51] <citric> so a raspi is similar to a arduino except it runs an os ?
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[3:52] <na85> depends on your definition of "similar"
[3:52] <shiftplusone> no, a raspi is a small computer that has exposed gpio for hardware projects
[3:53] <shiftplusone> and arduino is a prototyping platform. There is some overlap, but they're very different thing.
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[3:54] <citric> so what do you need to begin to program a reaspi?
[3:54] <citric> raspi*
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[3:54] <na85> it depends what you mean by "program"
[3:54] <shiftplusone> Your compiler of choice
[3:54] <na85> because you can write code for it in assembly
[3:54] <ozzzy> knowledge of a language.... bash, python, perl, php, c.... whatever
[3:54] <na85> or if your raspi is running linux you can write code for it in just about any language
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[3:55] <ccheney> i just received my pi and need a way to ssh into it, headless. i've formatted the ssd and extracted noobs 1.1 onto it
[3:56] <ccheney> when i plug the pi into my router it does not get an address from dhcp
[3:56] <ccheney> any ideas?
[3:56] <na85> ccheney: use a monitor to set up dhcp and then you'll be able to ssh into it
[3:56] <shiftplusone> ccheney, noobs is an installer, it doesn't have sshd included.
[3:56] <ccheney> i don't have a monitor with hdmi, only dvi.
[3:56] <ccheney> nor do i have a television, i need to do this headless
[3:56] <citric> ozzzy, i am learning python, so thats cool, i can use python :D
[3:56] <na85> ccheney: you can get adaptors for cheap, because hdmi and dvi are the same signal
[3:57] <shiftplusone> ccheney, you can write your distro directly, without NOOBS. Raspbian and Arch both have ssh enabled by default.
[3:57] <ozzzy> I got an hdmi->dvi cable on ebay for a few dollars
[3:57] <ccheney> so drop raspbian on there instead?
[3:57] <shiftplusone> ccheney, are you using windows?
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[3:57] <ccheney> i'm currently on windows yes but i do have ubuntu on a netbook
[3:57] <shiftplusone> ccheney, use win32diskimage to write the disk image onto the card.
[3:57] <ccheney> or i can fire up a vm
[3:58] <shiftplusone> (the raspbian disk image)
[3:58] <ccheney> ok
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[3:58] * na85 prefers dd
[3:58] <shiftplusone> you'll need to extract it from the zip file 'course
[3:58] <ccheney> righto
[3:58] <ccheney> thanks for the help guys, i'll take er' from here
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[3:58] <shiftplusone> good luck
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[4:21] <JakeSays> ricksl: so i picked up one of these: http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2049723#pr-header-2049723
[4:22] <ozzzy> don't forget a current limiting resistor
[4:22] <JakeSays> ozzzy: got a bunch of those too - just need to figure out the right values
[4:22] <ozzzy> anything from 100 to 200 ohm
[4:23] <JakeSays> however after reading about that SKU i'm not sure if i have a phototransistor or photodiode
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[5:00] <JakeSays> yeah so fritzing is very cool
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[5:04] <JakeSays> ozzzy: something like this? http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-s1ECIPTsZdY/UPzOCpCBoDI/AAAAAAAACiI/u_w5QelVyuI/s1600/IRdetectorEmitterSchematic1.png
[5:06] <JakeSays> hmm. man, radio shack has two separate products using the same SKU
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[5:19] <Phosie> JakeSays: I could never work Fritzing for some reason, what would work physically, I couldn't do in Fritzing.
[5:20] <Phosie> Probably just an error on my side though.
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[5:28] <JakeSays> Phosie: it crashed on me :(
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[5:32] <Phosie> That's never good.
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[5:44] <appleguru> any ideas why my wifi speed on my rasbpi are crap (less than 1KB/s)?
[5:45] <appleguru> I've tried a powered usb hub, etc... doesn't seem to help
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[5:46] <appleguru> realtek RTl8192cu chipset
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[6:44] <citric> can someone tell me if this is the quad core one: http://www.amazon.com/Cozyswan-MK802-Android-Mini-Google/dp/B00AX3ZE96/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1370752976&sr=1-1&keywords=COZYSWAN+MK802
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[6:47] <citric> it doesnt tell me if it has the Quad Core Mali 400
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[6:58] <g2nightmare> anyone know if i can use an external hdd on my raspberry pi, access it over the web from my webserver that i'm hosting on it, and use it to stream videos onto my roku player? lol
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[7:22] <g2nightmare> okay well is there anybody here that can help me stream videos from my raspberry pi in raspbian?
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[7:32] <Ben64> what? why not play videos from the pi
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[8:55] <Bushmills> citric: afaik, mk802 is single core. mk808 and 809 are quad core
[8:56] <Bushmills> ehm. mk908
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[9:00] <Bushmills> 809 is dual core
[9:01] <Bushmills> so is 808
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[9:03] <Bushmills> but running with the rockchip prozessors, which i would avoid, and prefer the Allwinner chips.
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[10:58] <gordonDrogon> morning pi peeps
[10:58] <steve_rox> possibly :-)
[10:59] <steve_rox> cheap SD died again , demands i format it
[10:59] <gordonDrogon> so the moral is; don't buy cheap SDs .. ?
[10:59] <Bushmills> agree
[10:59] <gordonDrogon> then again, I have some cheap kingston ones - still going well, the others are sandisk...
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[10:59] <Bushmills> though, price is not always an indication
[11:00] <steve_rox> the manufacturer is "dane-elec"
[11:01] <Bushmills> and the target is trashcan
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[11:02] <steve_rox> i was able to get it going again after my digital cam formatted itt
[11:02] <steve_rox> windows just freaked out
[11:02] <steve_rox> windows for ya i guess
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[11:31] <Tachyon`> how is using hardware exactly as designed making a car pc or a project at all?
[11:32] <Tachyon`> the most complex part of that undertaking was flashing an SD card, a pi running XBMC is not a car pc, nor is it a project, it is using the hardware/software exactly as is while improving/adding nothing.
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[11:32] <Tachyon`> how these things get to the front page of anything is beyond me
[11:33] <SpeedEvil> but if other people thought as you, that would invalidate most of the patent lawyers! Oh the humanity!
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[14:22] <elsevero> hi guys
[14:22] <histo> hola
[14:23] <elsevero> I'm running into an ins sue, can I ask you if there's anyone who meet this one before
[14:23] <elsevero> ?
[14:23] <elsevero> *into an issue
[14:23] <ozzzy> what issue
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[14:24] <elsevero> I have Django installed on my RaspberryPi and trying to create a page that has a python script inside it
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[14:24] <elsevero> ozzzy: http://severo.ro/RaspberryPi/ModuleNotImportedCorrectly.png
[14:25] <ozzzy> I don't write python and I've never heard of Django
[14:25] <ozzzy> sorry
[14:25] <elsevero> ozzzy: https://dpaste.de/qWLad/ - this would be the alarm.py script
[14:26] <elsevero> ozzzy: ok, thank you anyway!
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[14:45] <Mothership> How to make autologin on raspberian wheezy?
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[14:48] <shiftplusone> Mothership, have you tried searching google for "Raspberry pi auto login" ?
[14:48] <Mothership> ok
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[15:04] <user82> hi. do i need to link anything special to use stdout in c++?
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[15:07] <shiftplusone> No, but you 'should' be using iostream instead.
[15:07] <shiftplusone> especially if you want help in support channels like ##c++ if something goes wrong.
[15:07] <user82> shiftplusone, luckily a friend of mine was clever enough to figure out it is a buffer problem. sovled :)
[15:08] <shiftplusone> fair enough
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[15:41] <KidBeta> im looking to my turn my rPI into a SDR reciever, is it doable/been done before
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[15:50] <Mothership> does rbp model a 256mb/ram consumes less power than model b?
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[15:54] <Bushmills> software consumes, as in uses, RAM
[15:54] <Bushmills> oh. power.
[15:54] <Bushmills> less RAM and less devices mean less power.
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[15:55] <Mothership> yeah i need it for simple logging and sending the data over 3g usb modem
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[15:55] <Mothership> i have model b to test out, but as ive heard guys said if u want to run it from battery u better off with model a
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[15:57] <ShadowJK> biggest difference is in the ethernet I think?
[15:58] <Bushmills> I'd not be surprised if RAM makes a bigger difference
[15:58] <ShadowJK> i would
[15:59] <ShadowJK> there's even a significant difference when you plug unplug ethernet cable on B
[16:00] <Bushmills> dynamic RAM, even if not in use, needs refresh. but an unused ethernet controller oughtn't draw a lot
[16:00] <Mothership> Also, ive read that there are versions of rbp that cant handle 3g usb modems and need external power source for them, but mine can handle. how can u tell without testing will it handle?
[16:02] <ShadowJK> I wouldn't trust any of the rpi models to power 3g modems reliably
[16:03] <ShadowJK> but the latest model b would have better chance
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[16:05] <Mothership> dang
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[16:06] <Mothership> can i remove the ethernet in order to make it consume less power?
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[16:07] <shiftplusone> Mothership, if you a reflow station or a heat gun and are willing to risk permanent damage.
[16:07] <shiftplusone> *have a
[16:08] <Mothership> is it a huge risk?
[16:08] <Mothership> a gamble? :)
[16:08] <shiftplusone> depends on how careful you are and how much experience you have
[16:08] <shiftplusone> it's not hard to do, but it's also not hard to do wrong.
[16:09] <Mothership> so if i know a person who has experience at things like that i could let him do it right?
[16:09] <Mothership> less chance to damage
[16:09] <shiftplusone> Sure, if you trust that person
[16:09] <shiftplusone> There's also an extra bit you have to do to route the usb port directly to the main chip
[16:09] <ShadowJK> 3g modem is dubious even if rPi power consumption was 0
[16:10] <shiftplusone> also keep in mind only one of the usb ports will work afterwards
[16:10] <Mothership> i didnt test much but i got 3g working on my B
[16:10] <shiftplusone> Mothership, you'll essentially making a 512MB Model A pi.
[16:11] <shiftplusone> You'd be better off running some wires from the power input to the usb port's 5v/gnd lines
[16:11] <Mothership> besides 3g modem i also will use Serial usb adapter
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[16:11] <Mothership> i just hope it wont be too much for pi to handle
[16:12] <shiftplusone> I haven't been following the conversation much, but why not use a powered hub?
[16:13] <ShadowJK> Yeah that'd make more sense.
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[16:14] <gordonDrogon> afternoon pi peeps.
[16:14] <Mothership> afternoon
[16:14] <shiftplusone> 'morning
[16:14] <Mothership> shiftplusone, yeah i guess id have to do that
[16:15] <shiftplusone> It's your best bet, since I am not sure that a 3g dongle would work well even with a Model A without it
[16:15] <Mothership> im a bit confused how it all works, because i plan to run it on battery
[16:15] <Mothership> and havent decieded what batter
[16:16] <Mothership> also i will need a timer, which turns on pi for 10mins and turns it off
[16:16] <Mothership> every hour
[16:16] <Mothership> i mean
[16:16] <Mothership> day
[16:16] <gordonDrogon> what's the project?
[16:16] <Mothership> Weight logging
[16:16] <shiftplusone> It's all doable, but it sounds like you've got some learning ahead of you
[16:18] <Mothership> weighting scale indicator connected to pi via serial usb adapter, 3g modem, pi must turn on once a day for around 20minutes log the weight, send an email or SMS and turn off, powered by battery
[16:18] <Mothership> must be able to do that for a week on one charge
[16:19] <shiftplusone> How do you intend to turn it on automatically?
[16:19] <shiftplusone> (what will control that?)
[16:19] <Mothership> im still looking for that part too
[16:19] <shiftplusone> That sounds like the trickiest part to me
[16:20] <Mothership> using some kind of clock mechanism
[16:20] <Mothership> mechanism*
[16:21] <gordonDrogon> I suspect it would actually be much easier using an arduino than a Pi. IT would run for months then,
[16:22] <shiftplusone> That crossed my mind as well.
[16:22] <gordonDrogon> you could use an arduino to turn the Pi on & off.
[16:22] <Mothership> arduino nano?
[16:22] <gordonDrogon> arduino anything.
[16:23] <Mothership> isnt it steep learning curve?
[16:23] <Bushmills> an AVR controller with minimal peripherals
[16:23] <gordonDrogon> an atmega 328p has analog inputs and serial output to talk to a 3g modem if the weight sensor is serial the nyou can use a software serial code on the atmega.
[16:23] <shiftplusone> Then the tricky part becomes using the 3g dongle and sending the email
[16:23] <Bushmills> though the msp430 are lower power
[16:24] <gordonDrogon> if you want to do it on the Pi though, you can turn off the USB hub - that halves the power I'm told.
[16:24] * shiftplusone is a bit sceptical about that.
[16:25] <shiftplusone> I heard that yesterday as well. Would like to test it.
[16:25] <gordonDrogon> I'll need to measure it myself too.
[16:25] <gordonDrogon> th epower off thing definately works - I just don't know how much I save.
[16:26] <shiftplusone> I was always under the impression that there is nothing you can do in software to prevent the ethernet chip from using half of the power. In fact, Rob from the foundation said that.
[16:26] <shiftplusone> So... go figure.
[16:26] <Mothership> HALF OF THE POWER :o
[16:27] <shiftplusone> Almost
[16:27] <Mothership> dang
[16:27] <shiftplusone> yeah, it's a hog
[16:27] <steve_rox> a guy de soldered and removed the lan chip
[16:27] <steve_rox> became a model a 512
[16:27] <steve_rox> after bypassing usb failure
[16:28] <gordonDrogon> I coudl test it now... would need to butcher a USB cable..
[16:28] * gordonDrogon ponders.
[16:28] <shiftplusone> yup, I mentioned that just a little earlier
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[16:28] <shiftplusone> I have ordered a model b and plan to do that mod as well
[16:28] <steve_rox> be great if someone could design a hardware switch to toggle on off for the lanchip
[16:28] <shiftplusone> Don't think that's possible
[16:29] <Mothership> id like to know how much the modded model b(without ethernet) would consume power vs the model A...
[16:29] <Mothership> that would be interesting to know
[16:29] <gordonDrogon> or I measure the voltage drop over the polyfuse - if I can.. let me check.
[16:30] <shiftplusone> Mothership, about the same
[16:30] <steve_rox> was thinking the same myself
[16:30] <Mothership> so additional 256mb dont really make much difference in power consumption?
[16:30] <shiftplusone> I would be surprised if that made any difference
[16:31] <shiftplusone> any significant difference at least
[16:31] <Mothership> and is there difference in boot time?
[16:32] <shiftplusone> No, that depends on your OS and configuration.
[16:32] <Mothership> ok
[16:35] <gordonDrogon> ok, dropping 109mV. Going to disable usb power...
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[16:35] <shiftplusone> Interesting way to measure power usage.
[16:36] <gordonDrogon> now dropping 70mV
[16:36] <gordonDrogon> shiftplusone, yea, but it saves me cutting wires :)
[16:36] <shiftplusone> hm, significant difference
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[16:36] <gordonDrogon> so there is definate voltage drop, which implies a current drop too.
[16:38] <shiftplusone> So that's what, 40% less power, assuming that's it's a linear relationship?
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[16:45] <gordonDrogon> I now have an ammeter in-line with a Pi.
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[16:46] <gordonDrogon> Somewhat jury rigged as I'm powering the Pi via the GPIO and a 7805, but I can measure the current..
[16:46] <steve_rox> i find its ma goes up when a lan is plugged in
[16:46] <Joshun> lol why is it that the raspberry pi's audio jack makes weird sounds
[16:46] <Joshun> when I type in SSH it pops rhythmically
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[16:49] <shiftplusone> it uses the pwm pins and a filter to generate the audio, so it's very susceptible to noise, as I understand it.
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[16:49] <gordonDrogon> ok. my cheap meter is 199mA or 9.99 amps. so onl 10mA resolution, but idle with one ssh login is between 0.37 and 0.38 amps...
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[16:51] <shiftplusone> So, the measurement with USB disabled should be 0.22A
[16:51] <gordonDrogon> turn usb off and it's dropped to between .24 and 0.25, so a net saving of 130ma approx.
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[16:51] <shiftplusone> close enough =D
[16:51] * gordonDrogon nods.
[16:51] <gordonDrogon> it is drawing more as the supply is powering the 7805 and a pololu motor driver too. however ...
[16:52] <shiftplusone> So yeah, 40% difference
[16:52] <gordonDrogon> that's down to 1.25 watts
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[16:53] <gordonDrogon> so a 50Ah car battery is going to run for some time. Possibly a week.
[16:53] <shiftplusone> gordonDrogon, does this disable the USB on the broadcom chip or just the hub chip?
[16:53] <gordonDrogon> as far as I'm aware, just the hub chip. Ethernet goes down.
[16:54] <gordonDrogon> and powered mice go off.
[16:54] <gordonDrogon> cd /sys/devices/platform/bcm2708_usb/
[16:54] <gordonDrogon> echo 0x0 > ./buspower
[16:54] <gordonDrogon> (as root)
[16:54] <shiftplusone> But you would expect that if it's the BCM chip as well.
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[16:54] <shiftplusone> Yeah, so it's disabling it on the BCM chip =(
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[16:55] <gordonDrogon> I was doing these tests for someone last week who asked us here to check it for him - he was seeing kernel panics - I ran it for a day in a loop every 10 seconds and didn't see a single panic.
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[16:55] <shiftplusone> what tests?
[16:56] <gordonDrogon> he posted a simple loop that turned it off & on every 30 seconds - he said it caused his Pi to panic, but myself and someone else didn't see this, so we concluded it was his PSU :)
[16:56] <shiftplusone> ah
[16:56] <gordonDrogon> I see slightly different bahviour on a Rev 1 board though.
[16:57] <gordonDrogon> On a Rev 2, the USB just "goes away" - as if all the peripherals got unplugged. On a Rev 1, they go offline, but don't appear unplugged.
[16:57] <gordonDrogon> I put this down to the 3.3v wiring oopsie on the Rev 1 boards.
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[16:58] <gordonDrogon> still, this gives me hope for my garden Pi controller, fed off a pair of large batteries and a solar panel.
[16:58] <shiftplusone> I think it's because on the Rev2 everything goes through the hub chip. So when usb is disabled, all devices attached to that chip disappear, as far as the bcm chip is concerned.
[16:58] <shiftplusone> oh sorry, misread
[16:58] <shiftplusone> ignore that >.>
[16:59] <shiftplusone> read rev 2 and rev 1 as model b and model a <.<
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[16:59] <gordonDrogon> the rev 1 had the 3.3v pin on the hub/ether chip conneced to the Pi's 3.3v supply - when it was supposed to be connected to a decoupling cap as it's generated internally to that chip.
[16:59] <shiftplusone> ah
[16:59] <gordonDrogon> I suspect that on the Rev 1's the hub/ether chip stays powered up after it got the command to power down...
[17:00] <shiftplusone> yeah, that makes sense
[17:00] <shiftplusone> So, does this work "echo 0x0 | sudo tee /sys/devices/platform/bcm2708_usb/buspower" ?
[17:00] <gordonDrogon> I imagine so.
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[17:00] * shiftplusone throws that into the list of useful commands file
[17:01] <gordonDrogon> 7805's running at about 50C, so that's obviously sucking some mw too.
[17:02] <gordonDrogon> I'm only feeding it 7.5v too. I ran this off 9v worth of AA's at one point - it got quite hot then...
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[17:03] <shiftplusone> Well, I am off. Thanks for testing that, it's a handy thing to know. =)
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[18:05] <zproc> hi
[18:05] <zproc> i have two hdd on a pi homeserver, is there a way to tell mount to mount them in a certain order? in order the have the good hdd bound to the good /media/dir
[18:06] <zproc> -the+to
[18:06] <zproc> because i guess one time one is /dev/sda and can be /dev/sdb
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[18:07] <dagerik> zproc: use fstab and guid
[18:07] <dagerik> so you always know what the mount point in root fs is
[18:07] <zproc> i use fstab, it's the guid thing then so
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[18:07] <zproc> this? http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-finding-using-uuids-to-update-fstab/
[18:08] <zproc> or is there a difference between guid / UUID?
[18:08] <dagerik> yes
[18:08] <zproc> ok thank you :)
[18:08] <dagerik> i think i mean uuid
[18:08] <dagerik> not guid
[18:08] <zproc> ok thanks!
[18:08] <dagerik> np
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[18:12] <nerdboy> moin
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[18:41] <Renegade15> good day
[18:41] <Renegade15> question: is it normal behavior that the pi reboots when I plug in a USB device?
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[18:42] <Phosie> No
[18:43] <Renegade15> I was afraid of that
[18:44] <JakeSays> Renegade15: is it all devices?
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[18:45] <Renegade15> it seems that way...though I just noticed if I leave out the mouse/keyboard dongle, the wifi one lights up. Would being underpowered cause this?
[18:45] <JakeSays> yes
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[18:45] <Renegade15> glorious
[18:45] <JakeSays> you probably need a hub
[18:46] <Renegade15> it worked fine on my 700 mA adapter
[18:46] <Renegade15> got 1A one just for this, and apparently it's inadequate
[18:46] <JakeSays> yeah there's really not much you can power directly from the pi
[18:47] <Renegade15> no matter the amount of power I plug in? >_>
[18:48] <arrnas> anyone here use the xmbc along with a samsung tv?
[18:48] <JakeSays> correct
[18:48] <JakeSays> more power == a toasty pi
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[18:48] <Phosie> Is it actually 1A? Sometimes the label isn't always the actual output.
[18:49] <Renegade15> but but but Tim Taylor taught me more power is always better!! ;)
[18:49] <JakeSays> only for meeting women and politics
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[18:50] <Renegade15> I thought the Debian project was politics >_>
[18:50] <JakeSays> this isnt that project
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[18:50] <Renegade15> I know, I know, I was kidding
[18:51] <nerdboy> Renegade15: it's "normal" if the device draws above some current threshold
[18:51] <Renegade15> it seems to be able to power one dongle, but it can't handle if anything is inserted during runtime
[18:51] <nerdboy> wireless devices typically, but not things like wired keyboards
[18:51] <Renegade15> I guess I'll have to set it up with one dongle, enable SSH and gently switch dongles
[18:52] <nerdboy> you can hotlpug using a powered hub
[18:52] <Phosie> If you are using a wifi dongle, 90% of the time you'll need a hub.
[18:52] <Joshun> wifi donges are just annoying
[18:52] <Phosie> I can use one, but I can't have anything else plugged in.
[18:52] <Joshun> they drop out due to lack of current
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[18:53] <Renegade15> it'll ultimately run headless, I just need the keyboard for setup
[18:53] <JakeSays> i'm getting one of those nano wifi dongles - hopefully it won't require a hub
[18:53] <Renegade15> this one is as nano as it gets
[18:53] <nerdboy> hot-plugging a wired keyboard should *not* cause a reboot
[18:53] <JakeSays> one of those 1cm'ers?
[18:53] <Renegade15> TP-Link TL-WN725N
[18:54] <Phosie> I'll be ordering a hub soon, £12 including delivery and a micro USB cable.
[18:54] <JakeSays> i currently use a linksys router in client mode as my wifi 'dongle'
[18:54] <JakeSays> works great - its just about 10 times the size of the pi
[18:54] <Renegade15> I've seen it recognized as a wlan-device by both raspbian and raspbmc, but I couldn't test actual connectivity yet, because of the aforementioned issues
[18:55] <Phosie> https://www.modmypi.com/New-Link-4-Port-USB-Hub-(USB-2.0-with-Mains-Adaptor)
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[18:56] <nerdboy> i actually did get it to boot with an rf keyboard dongle and an older bluetooth dongle plugged directly into the pi, but it took a long time...
[18:57] <nerdboy> off the 1 amp usb power brick i think
[18:58] <Renegade15> is this purely a USB power issue, or do all plugs factor in? as in, would there be more power available if I unplugged ethernet or HDMI?
[18:58] <nerdboy> whereas with the 700 mA brick it only boots with one or the other, but not both
[18:59] <nerdboy> Renegade15: didn't make a difference in my testing
[18:59] <Renegade15> hmm
[19:00] <davesleep> how do i put this arm asm soft on my pi directly?
[19:00] <JakeSays> davesleep: soft what?
[19:00] <davesleep> http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/projects/raspberrypi/tutorials/os/ok01.html
[19:01] <davesleep> i dont understand what im supposed to do
[19:01] <JakeSays> hmm. homework.
[19:01] <davesleep> says, open a terminal and change the working directory to the parent directory of the source
[19:01] <davesleep> nah, not homework ! loL
[19:01] <JakeSays> you need some basics
[19:01] <davesleep> i got teraterm
[19:01] <Renegade15> have you checked point 7 of that page?
[19:02] <Renegade15> which starts with "So we've written the code, now to get it onto the pi."
[19:02] <Renegade15> ?
[19:02] <davesleep> thats............ where i am ;]
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[19:02] <gordonDrogon> uh. not that guy again... ;-)
[19:03] <davesleep> yeah man, i told you gordon XD
[19:03] <Renegade15> then copy the kernel.img you have into the kernel directory of your pi's distro
[19:03] <davesleep> i am 'that guy'
[19:03] <Renegade15> that's how I'm interpreting it
[19:03] <Renegade15> I just overwrote the raspbian on this card, but I'd guess /boot/
[19:03] <Phosie> Raspberry pi is the best diet plan ever, I've just lost 14 pounds in 5 minutes ={
[19:04] <Phosie> =P
[19:05] <nerdboy> well, it's been a well-known fact since i was a teenager that "dave's not here, man..."
[19:05] <davesleep> aye, i'll be buying a few things for it ;/
[19:05] <nerdboy> so gordonDrogon should be perfectly safe
[19:06] <davesleep> im a noob btw, how do i create a kernal img?! i think that's what it wants me to do
[19:06] <davesleep> i got yagato toolchain, but have no idea how to use it
[19:07] <davesleep> has anyone got any resources on this!?
[19:07] <Phosie> Did you download the http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/projects/raspberrypi/tutorials/os/ok01.html
[19:07] <Phosie> grrr
[19:07] <Renegade15> ...as described on the page, davesleep
[19:07] <Phosie> stupid touchpad
[19:08] <davesleep> ay ei got yagarto tool chain
[19:08] <Phosie> did you downlod the template?
[19:08] <nerdboy> depends on what's on your pi and on your desktop
[19:08] <Renegade15> "Open a terminal on your computer and change the current working directory to the parent directory of the source directory. Type make and then press enter. If any errors occur, please refer to the troubleshooting section. "
[19:08] <JakeSays> gordonDrogon: hey i'd like to adapt this circuit to my pi: http://dgraves.org/mailboxmonitor (just the ir emitter/detector part) - anything i need to change (other than the arduino, of course)
[19:09] * gordonDrogon looks.
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[19:10] <nerdboy> for yocto i build a kernel using bitbake, for raspbian/gentoo i've built them on the pi
[19:10] <Renegade15> davesleep, the idea is this: You write the code, compile it into a kernel.img, get an SD card with with an existing distro on it, and swap that's kernel.img for your newly created one. Then you boot off of the SD card.
[19:10] <nerdboy> the latter method takes a loooong time...
[19:10] <gordonDrogon> JakeSays, it should work - you may need to adjust the values of the resistors.
[19:10] <davesleep> yup, but the compilationg to kernel.img
[19:11] <davesleep> compiling *
[19:11] <nerdboy> kernel image plus modules i would think...
[19:11] <JakeSays> gordonDrogon: why? (not questioning.. just want to understand)
[19:11] <davesleep> im gooki atm
[19:11] <davesleep> lol gooki
[19:11] <davesleep> googling*
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[19:11] <Renegade15> davesleep if it's not as simple as described in the tutorial, are you sure your code is correct, the toolchain is installed and your build environment is properly set up?
[19:12] <gordonDrogon> JakeSays, Pi has 3.3v output, Arduino has 5v output, so you might need to check the current required through the LED.
[19:12] <JakeSays> ah ok
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[19:12] <Ricksl> what ya doing this time jake?
[19:12] <gordonDrogon> JakeSays, and the detector is a bit weird - shame there isn't a schematic - trying to sketch it no..
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[19:12] <JakeSays> Ricksl: gonna use the ir as the trip wire in my mouse trap
[19:13] <Ricksl> O
[19:13] <JakeSays> Ricksl: if i can get that working then i can totally replace the basic stamp with the pi
[19:13] <Ricksl> sounds like a plan
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[19:14] <gordonDrogon> JakeSays, the detector side is somewhat odd.
[19:15] <JakeSays> gordonDrogon: well, so is the emitter/detector i bought from RS :( they have two versions under the same sku - one with a photodiode and one with a phototransistor.
[19:15] <JakeSays> the one i have is the photodiode
[19:16] <Ricksl> I did something like that, a light tripwire when I was a kiddo with my lego robotics thing, the old yellow brick one.
[19:16] <JakeSays> ohhh just found an article about interfacing the pi with a wiimote
[19:16] <Ricksl> I used it to fire lego cannons when the light was tripped
[19:16] <gordonDrogon> JakeSays, just make it up as you go along then :)
[19:16] <JakeSays> i happen to own a wiimote (but no wii)
[19:16] <JakeSays> gordonDrogon: heh. story of my life!
[19:17] <Ricksl> I interfaced a pi with a wii classic controller once, was surprised they were so easy to interface with i2c
[19:18] <JakeSays> my next purchase needs to be a gertboard
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[19:23] <JakeSays> dang - i'm drawing a total blank when it comes to using diodes. cant even remember the basics
[19:24] <Jck_true> Just remember the resister..
[19:24] <Jck_true> if you want it ligthing more than 30uS
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[19:26] <nerdboy> davesleep: that's not a kernel build, rather a small OS in assembler
[19:28] <gordonDrogon> JakeSays, diodes only pass current one way. light emitting diodes light up when they pass current (one way, the right way)
[19:29] <JakeSays> hmm. so i was thinking i should be able to adapt the current RC light detector i'm using to the pi. basically all it does is charge the circuit and then time how long it takes to discharge
[19:31] <nerdboy> davesleep: if you've downloaded the toolchain and templates, just walk through the lesson and add the code as you go
[19:32] <nerdboy> if you want, download the answer and compare it to yours
[19:32] <nerdboy> then compile it and copy it over to your card
[19:32] <Phosie> Really wish I could drive a DC motor from the pi wihtout having to buy other things.
[19:33] <Phosie> Just so I can control it with PWM.
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[19:33] <JakeSays> Phosie: you dont need many other things
[19:33] <JakeSays> i was able to get a small one going with a transistor and resistor
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[19:33] <gordonDrogon> Phosie, if you can find a motor that uses < 15mA then you can drive it, however ...
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[19:33] <gordonDrogon> PiFace might be an easy way to do it too.
[19:33] <Phosie> Ahh, I've just been looking at those kits. It's like £15 which I cannot justify.
[19:34] <Phosie> I wouldn't get enough use from it.
[19:34] <nerdboy> don't you already have +3.3 and +5 volt gpio pins?
[19:34] <nerdboy> what are the motor specs?
[19:34] <Phosie> nerdboy: It's the current that's the issue.
[19:34] <gordonDrogon> Phosie, do you have a motor?
[19:34] <Phosie> And I don't know much about the motor, 6v, salvaged from a RC car.
[19:35] <Phosie> Works nicely with 3V
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[19:35] <gordonDrogon> Phosie, ok. it's very probably quite high current... so you would need a driver chip of some sorts..
[19:35] <gordonDrogon> Phosie, is there a Maplin near you?
[19:35] <Phosie> 30 minute drive. :)
[19:35] <JakeSays> whats a maplin?
[19:35] <Phosie> Probably one even closer, so yes.
[19:36] <gordonDrogon> well for the cost of petrol, you'd be better spending it on postage :)
[19:36] <gordonDrogon> get a breadboard, some female/made jumpers and a uln2803
[19:36] <JakeSays> gordonDrogon: patience costs a LOT more than petrol :p
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[19:36] <nerdboy> or you could get a nice bike ride...
[19:36] <gordonDrogon> JakeSays, maplin is a UK chain of "electronics" shops ..
[19:36] <Phosie> I have everything but the chip, awesome.
[19:37] <Ricksl> jake you are the most impatient person I know from this channel
[19:37] <JakeSays> Ricksl: yes. that would not surprise me :)
[19:37] <gordonDrogon> Phosie, the uln2803 will let you drive up to 500mA.
[19:37] <SpeedEvil> JakeSays: Wait till the next budget.
[19:37] <Phosie> I have a uln2003, would I be able to use that?
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[19:37] <gordonDrogon> yes. that's 7 IO's the 2803 is 8.
[19:38] <Phosie> I'm all sorted then, thanks.
[19:38] <gordonDrogon> but make sure the motor isn't going to draw more than 500mA.
[19:38] <Phosie> Ah ok
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[19:40] <TLoFP> how close can I get to 100 Mbit/s transfer with the ethernet on the RPi? Has anybody done any throughput tests?
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[19:41] <nerdboy> not really, but there's always iperf...
[19:42] <nerdboy> install it on both ends and run it
[19:42] <gordonDrogon> iperf will give you about 95Mb/sec each way.
[19:43] <gordonDrogon> not at the same time though
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[19:43] <Phosie> I think I might just use a pot and AA batteries with the motor, much easier. :P
[19:44] <gordonDrogon> not as fun though.
[19:44] <Phosie> True.
[19:44] <gordonDrogon> and you'll need a good wirewound pot.
[19:44] <Phosie> Pi it is then.
[19:44] <gordonDrogon> do you have a multimeter?
[19:44] <Phosie> I don't. :(
[19:45] <gordonDrogon> well... if you connect it to the Pi via a uln chip then what's the worst that can happen - you'll overheat the uln chip..
[19:45] <SpeedEvil> Get one. They're £3.99
[19:45] <SpeedEvil> gordonDrogon: you connect the chip backwards, and kill the pi.
[19:45] <gordonDrogon> yea - the one I have was about a fiver - 15 years ago.
[19:45] <TLoFP> gordonDrogon: any idea how much data you can push over GPIO ?
[19:45] <gordonDrogon> TLoFP, what timeframe...
[19:46] <TLoFP> I am thinking about pushing around 400 MBits/second
[19:46] <gordonDrogon> good luck.
[19:46] <Phosie> I don't want to take any risks so I might just leave the idea.
[19:46] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Multimeter-Digital-8K-Mem-8605-Lead-2001-/350806188282?pt=UK_BOI_Electrical_Test_Measurement_Equipment_ET&hash=item51adada0fa
[19:46] <SpeedEvil> Just get that
[19:46] <TLoFP> then having the RPi do processing on that and spitting out 50 MBits/s over ethernet
[19:46] <timmmaaaayyy> i'm trying to get the pi to start taking pictures immediately when it's plugged in. i added "raspistill -o img%04d.jpg -tl 10000 -t 21600000" to /etc/rc.local, but it doesn't start taking pictures when it boots up. any ideas?
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[19:46] <Phosie> SpeedEvil: £6,271.44, Bargin!
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[19:47] <gordonDrogon> TLoFP, not a chance at that data rate - unless it's coming in on a camera interface and being processed by the gpu.
[19:47] <JakeSays> gordonDrogon, Ricksl: is this safe to connect to the pi? http://imgur.com/d7uu92d
[19:47] <TLoFP> gordonDrogon: Bummer : (
[19:47] <gildean> my multimeter cost a little bit more, but it's a sanwa and actually says "made in japan"
[19:47] <Ricksl> don't see why it wouldn't be.
[19:47] <gordonDrogon> JakeSays, er, probably, but the Pi doesn't have an analog input.
[19:47] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/DT830B-LCD-Digital-Multimeter-Voltmet-Electric-Voltage-Tester-BATTERY-LEADS-/280955139483?pt=UK_BOI_Electrical_Test_Measurement_Equipment_ET&hash=item416a3b359b
[19:47] <SpeedEvil> would likely be just fine
[19:48] <Ricksl> there is that though, that is a photoresistor right?
[19:48] <JakeSays> gordonDrogon: my thinking is to time how long it takes for a gpio pin to switch from 1 to 0
[19:48] <JakeSays> Ricksl: yes
[19:48] <gordonDrogon> yes, photoresistor - LDR ..
[19:48] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LCD-Digital-Multimeter-Voltmeter-Ammeter-Meter-OHM-DVM-UK-SELLER-/111017364721?pt=UK_BOI_Electrical_Test_Measurement_Equipment_ET&hash=item19d9268cf1 - or get it by tuesday for £3
[19:48] <gordonDrogon> JakeSays, yes, you can do that.
[19:48] <Phosie> I might.
[19:48] <Ricksl> yeah what gordon said
[19:49] <JakeSays> LDR - light detecting resistor?
[19:49] <gordonDrogon> Light Dependant.
[19:49] <JakeSays> oh
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[19:49] <gordonDrogon> that circuit isn't really the best for a 1-bit A/D though.
[19:49] <gordonDrogon> in bright light (low R) it might never reach logic 1.
[19:50] <JakeSays> i have control over the lighting conditions
[19:50] <gordonDrogon> if you want to do that, then: +3.3 ---+--- LDR --- 0v
[19:50] <JakeSays> currently its in a dark tube
[19:50] <gordonDrogon> oops, +3.3 ------ LDR --- +--- CCC --- 0v
[19:50] <gordonDrogon> with the + going via a 100R to he gpio pin.
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[19:51] <gordonDrogon> you set it to output and low. wait. Then set it to input and wait for it to become logic 1.
[19:51] <gordonDrogon> you time that last period.
[19:51] <JakeSays> is .01uf a good value for the cap?
[19:51] <JakeSays> i have two - .01 and .1
[19:51] <gordonDrogon> work out the RC time constant - left as an excercise to the user ...
[19:53] <Ricksl> I am pretty sure the cap is used to eliminate small fluctuations in the photoresistor.
[19:53] <JakeSays> i thought it was used to control the rate of decay
[19:53] <gordonDrogon> probably to soak-up a 50/60Hz light flicker.
[19:53] <JakeSays> ah
[19:54] <gordonDrogon> JakeSays, you ought to work these things out, but start with the .01 and see if you can write a program that times it accurately.
[19:54] <JakeSays> gordonDrogon: yeah i'm gonna - i'm looking up the math now
[19:55] <Phosie> Ugh can't find my solder.
[19:55] <gordonDrogon> you also need to look up the voltage that the Pi will think is a logic 1.
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[19:56] <gordonDrogon> however that will vary from pin to pin and Pi to Pi - but not by much.
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[19:57] <JakeSays> lol. heck with the math - its easier to find online rc calculators than it is the math
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[20:00] <JakeSays> ormally the voltage threshold is about 1.8V, but it isn't guaranteed; it can be anywhere between the maximum input low and minimum input high, that is, between about 0.8 and 2.0V.
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[20:01] <JakeSays> Normally the voltage threshold is about 1.8V, but it isn't guaranteed; it can be anywhere between the maximum input low and minimum input high, that is, between about 0.8 and 2.0V.
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[20:01] <Schonert> any news/rumors of a model c ( rev 3 ) ?
[20:02] <JakeSays> it ships tuesday
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[20:03] <Schonert> JakeSays answering my question? :-)
[20:03] <JakeSays> Schonert: yes, unfortunately i have no idea which tuesday.
[20:04] <Phosie> Ha
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[20:04] <Schonert> in other words, no. No news / rumors ;-)
[20:05] <JakeSays> no clue
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[20:05] <JakeSays> however if they change the gpio pin layout, i'm gonna shoot 'em
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[20:06] <Schonert> Why should they? An upgrade in cpu and ram would be nice though
[20:06] <JakeSays> they changed between rev1 and rev2
[20:07] <Schonert> 1gb ram and a 1ghz would be nice
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[20:08] <JakeSays> indeed it would
[20:08] <JakeSays> although the current rev will do 900mhz nicely
[20:08] <shiftplusone> Schonert, revisions and models are not the same thing. Rev 3 would only be minor hardware fixes for things you wouldn't notice.
[20:08] <Schonert> shiftplusone noted c!:-)
[20:08] <shiftplusone> A model c is not on the horizon at all. Maybe in a few years.
[20:09] <JakeSays> yeah i have a feeling the pi won't ever be bleeding edge on the technology front
[20:09] <shiftplusone> If you need something else, there are cubieboards and similar.
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[20:09] <shiftplusone> I prefer limited hardware
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[20:10] <JakeSays> shiftplusone: so far i'm using about 2% of my existing pi.
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[20:12] <gordonDrogon> they've already changes some GPIO pin positions...
[20:12] <gordonDrogon> from the Rev 1 ro the rev 2. The I2C pins moved and pin 22 became pin 27.
[20:12] <JakeSays> yeah
[20:12] <JakeSays> and they filled in the header holes for p5
[20:13] <JakeSays> wait.. hm
[20:13] <JakeSays> p2
[20:13] <JakeSays> one of 'em
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[20:17] <Phosie> I love my Rev 1, just wish I had more RAM.
[20:17] <JakeSays> huh. apparently you can power the pi using p1 instead of the micro usb connector.
[20:18] <Phosie> Yup
[20:18] <shiftplusone> Yeah, I caved and bought a 512MB one yesterday
[20:18] <Phosie> I've finally bought a powered hub. :D
[20:18] <gordonDrogon> just make sure it's a regulated 5v supply.
[20:18] <JakeSays> i wonder how much more power you can push to the usb ports that way
[20:18] <gordonDrogon> enough to melt the PCB tracks.
[20:19] <Phosie> Wifi, keyboard, mouse, webcam. - Happy Sophie
[20:19] <gordonDrogon> so powering the USB peripherals externally is still a VERY good idea.
[20:19] <JakeSays> gordonDrogon: any idea how much that would be?
[20:19] <gordonDrogon> JakeSays, I won't speculate, but personally I wouldn't like to draw more than 150mA from each one.
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[20:20] <JakeSays> gordonDrogon: yeah. i dont intend to try. just curious.
[20:20] <shiftplusone> JakeSays, I've asked someone from the foundation and he didn't know off the top of his head, so I think anything anyone said would only be a rough estimate. I beleive Eben has said they can handle the load of the pi + 500mA load on each usb port, but I wouldn't trust that too much.
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[20:23] <shiftplusone> There is a formula you can use based on the track width, length and thickness, so if you can figure out those values, you might be able to figure it out.
[20:23] <gordonDrogon> knowing that they said that it was a struggle to get the PCB to 6 layers I'd not like to push anything personally.
[20:24] <JakeSays> gordonDrogon: same here
[20:24] <gordonDrogon> You could (and I've seen it) run separate wires from the �USB input directly to the USB ports - with a big buffer capacitor.
[20:24] <gordonDrogon> bypassing all the polyfuses...
[20:24] <shiftplusone> http://triffid-hunter.no-ip.info/101_0120.JPG
[20:25] <gordonDrogon> ah, not seen that one.
[20:25] <gordonDrogon> I'd still put a big capacitor at the entry point of the power.
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[20:41] <Ricksl> im confused shift what does this do
[20:41] <shiftplusone> the recovery thing?
[20:42] <Ricksl> no the poorly pi solderjob
[20:42] <shiftplusone> ah
[20:42] <shiftplusone> far from poorly
[20:43] <shiftplusone> but it lets you hotplug usb devices and also lets you use more devices without needing a powered hub
[20:43] <Ricksl> are the usb polyfuses in the first revision located on the positive or negative side of the usb ports
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[20:44] <shiftplusone> I guess you mean +v or ground. +ve
[20:44] <shiftplusone> http://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Raspberry-Pi-Schematics-R1.0.pdf
[20:44] <Ricksl> yeah
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[20:45] <shiftplusone> (Bottom of third sheet)
[20:45] <Ricksl> thanks, that was informative
[20:46] <Ricksl> better hang onto this
[20:46] <shiftplusone> np
[20:46] <shiftplusone> and rev 2 http://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Raspberry-Pi-R2.0-Schematics-Issue2.2_027.pdf
[20:46] <Ricksl> I have like 3 rev 1 but no rev two, i need a new one.
[20:47] <ashleyw> Hey I've got two Pis and two sdcards, yet both of them stall when booting Xbian (also raspbmc)…with HDMI in, there is only PWR, no OK/ACT light. Without HDMI, the OK light flashes. I've installed this dozens of times, so I'm stumped as to why it's happening on both of them?
[20:47] <ashleyw> Unless of course it's a big coincidence! :(
[20:47] <ashleyw> i'm downloading raspbian right now to test that too
[20:48] * shiftplusone isn't sure =/
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[20:49] <shiftplusone> I'd just try a different cable or a different display, though neither should prevent the pi from booting
[20:49] <ashleyw> i've tried a different cable, but not tv
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[20:50] <Ricksl> i had a cheap tv that didn't work with the pi, even with hdmi safe on
[20:50] * shiftplusone shrugs and fires up dungeon keeper.
[20:51] <Ricksl> try turning on hdmi safe maybe
[20:51] <JakeSays> ashleyw: hdmi works fine on my monitors, but havent tried it on a tv
[20:53] <JakeSays> shiftplusone: so you can't hotplug usb devices?
[20:53] <shiftplusone> Not always
[20:53] <Ricksl> be careful with usb hotplug, sometimes the surge can reset the pi
[20:53] <shiftplusone> plugging in things like wifi dongles will reset the pi
[20:53] <JakeSays> yeah i've had that happen hotplugging my hub
[20:53] <Joshun> hi
[20:53] <shiftplusone> hi
[20:54] <Joshun> whats the easiest way to make gpio pins accessible as non-root users
[20:54] <Ricksl> I am surprised with the number of hubs that backfeed, a simple diode on the power line would stop so many problems
[20:54] <Joshun> in wiringPi (C)
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[20:55] <shiftplusone> I know it's not in line with specifications, but is it really a problem?
[20:57] <gordonDrogon> shiftplusone, wish I could play DK again... no Win PC.
[20:57] <shiftplusone> gordonDrogon, dosbox
[20:57] <gordonDrogon> shiftplusone, and it runs OK in it?
[20:57] <shiftplusone> perfectly
[20:57] <gordonDrogon> shiftplusone, oh. well, that's me week gone then.
[20:57] <gordonDrogon> ;-)
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[20:58] <shiftplusone> in fact, if you purchase it off GOG.com, it actually runs through dosbox
[20:58] <urbanonymous> Hello everybody! I need some help
[20:58] <gordonDrogon> Joshun, you can use the gpio command to export the pins you need to use, then call wiringPiSetupSys () and you can access gpio as non-root.
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[20:58] <gordonDrogon> shiftplusone, I have original CDs.
[20:58] <Joshun> gordonDrogon - is there a function for that or do you have to do a system("cmd") ?
[20:59] <shiftplusone> Yeah, I just mean that dosbox is actually better than trying to run it on anything after windows98
[20:59] <gordonDrogon> Joshun, you can use system, or put the gpio commands in a script before you run your program.
[20:59] <Joshun> ok thanks
[20:59] <Joshun> a bash script would probably do it fine
[20:59] <gordonDrogon> does dosbox run on the Pi ?
[21:00] <Joshun> good luck to running dosbox well
[21:00] <Joshun> it uses up sooo much memory
[21:00] <Joshun> * I mean CPU
[21:00] <shiftplusone> dosbox run and you can play some games on the pi, but surely not DK
[21:00] <urbanonymous> Guys, I need help with Sound capture and sound analysis in python. Need to rec 1s every 10s and analyse that to know the volume in db . Please help <3
[21:00] <gordonDrogon> might try later. TV time now...
[21:01] <shiftplusone> urbanonymous, what are you using to record and what is your question?
[21:02] <urbanonymous> I'm using a mic over a usb audio-card
[21:02] <urbanonymous> it's working well
[21:02] <urbanonymous> but I dont know how to rec and analyse the sound :(
[21:03] <urbanonymous> in python *
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[21:04] <urbanonymous> I read that sox -> pysox, can analyse and rec .
[21:04] <zerkman> hi
[21:04] <urbanonymous> But no idea how
[21:04] <urbanonymous> hio
[21:04] <shiftplusone> A google search returns plenty of decent results, but you can also try asking in #python (or is it ##python?), since this isn't a very pi-specific question.
[21:04] <Ricksl> speaking of doxbox 5 minutes after the fact, how are those "accelerated" pi dos platforms
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[21:04] <urbanonymous> shiftplusone: I come from there
[21:05] <urbanonymous> because the final proyect is a sound analyser of acustic pollution in highschool
[21:06] <shiftplusone> Have you had aa look at this http://docs.python.org/2/library/ossaudiodev.html ?
[21:06] <urbanonymous> with a pi and some LEDs
[21:06] <shiftplusone> Ricksl, can't complain
[21:07] <Ricksl> I want to play the return to zork but it is quite demanding on other dos platforms I have tried
[21:07] <JakeSays> urbanonymous: the primary source of acoustic pollution in highschool is in fact the students :p
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[21:07] <shiftplusone> Well, I am not sure how 'accelerated' dosbox is. I have seen people say it's not faster than running qemu with dos installed, though I doubt that.
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[21:08] <Ricksl> I used to try dosbox wii, and a port of dosbox for some craptastic phone I had and it was unplayable
[21:08] <shiftplusone> Ricksl, have you tried ScummVM, I think return to zork is supported and that's pretty much running native.
[21:08] <urbanonymous> JakeSays: I know hehe, I want to make a sound like "SHUT UP" when db > 100
[21:08] <shiftplusone> Ricksl, the android ports I have tried were terrible
[21:08] <Ricksl> they say some of the "accelerated" dos boxes use thumb instruction sets or something like that
[21:09] <ashleyw> Okay, so with Raspbian, a new HDMI cable and monitor, and hdmi_safe=1…ACT is still flashing? A bit of googling indicates it could be something to do with the 'polyfuse' and that I just need to leave it turned off for a while...could it be?
[21:09] <shiftplusone> Ricksl, I have just checked, return to zork is supported by scummvm, so you should be able to run it just fine.
[21:11] <shiftplusone> ashleyw, do you have a multimeter handy?
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[21:11] <JakeSays> does this look like a valid url? http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian/ wheezy/main libx11-dev armhf 2:1.5.0-1
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[21:11] <ashleyw> i don't no :(
[21:11] <Ricksl> thanks, i thought scummvm was limited to a handful of lucasarts games
[21:12] <shiftplusone> Ricksl, originally, yeah, but they have expanded beyond scumm games to adventure games, as I understand it.
[21:12] <JakeSays> i'm trying to build something requiring libx11-dev and apt-get is failing with that url
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[21:12] <Ricksl> so how does it work, processor emulation or what?
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[21:14] <shiftplusone> I think it's pretty much re-implementing the engine and uses the data files, so it's like running native, but I may be wrong.
[21:14] <JakeSays> hmm. weird.
[21:14] <shiftplusone> (and probably am)
[21:16] <JakeSays> ok this is frustrating: Failed to fetch http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian/pool/main/libx/libx11/libx11-dev_1.5.0-1_armhf.deb 404 Not Found
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[21:18] <shiftplusone> JakeSays, I think you're after http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian/pool/main/libx/libx11/libx11-dev_1.5.0-1+deb7u1_armhf.deb
[21:18] <shiftplusone> Did you update apt?
[21:18] <JakeSays> ah
[21:18] <JakeSays> i'll do that
[21:18] <JakeSays> its been a while
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[21:22] <JakeSays> shiftplusone: much better:) thanks!
[21:22] <shiftplusone> np
[21:23] <shiftplusone> You should do that before installing anything, really.
[21:23] <Joshun> exporting gpio pins in wiringPi doesn't seem to work :(
[21:23] <Joshun> has anybody got it to work
[21:26] <Joshun> oh pullupdn needs root it seems
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[21:29] <zerkman> anyone here with experience on openGL on the Pi ?
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[21:36] <JakeSays> hmm. i could use a couple more cores on the pi for building stuff
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[21:38] <Ricksl> but jake did anyone ever say the pi was meant to be a processing powerhouse
[21:38] <lwizardl> hello
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[21:38] <JakeSays> Ricksl: nope :p
[21:38] <Ricksl> exactly
[21:38] <Phosie> lwizardl: Hello.
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[21:39] <Ricksl> people have had fun building clusters with them though.
[21:39] <Phosie> Brambles.
[21:39] <zerkman> did thay actually use them ?
[21:39] <Phosie> I still love that nickname for them.
[21:40] <Ricksl> but whenever people do they always get bashed saying "for the cost you put into that you could have made a more powerful single computer"
[21:40] <JakeSays> i should probably set up a cross compiling environment
[21:40] <lwizardl> I have not bought my pi yet, still in the planning stages for a build. But I was wondering what power source should I get if I plan to power more then just the pi with it? I'm looking at taking a broken dvd player and putting the pi inside with some extras
[21:41] <Ricksl> na just build everything natively, be cool dog
[21:41] <Ricksl> thats kinda a tough question since there is no one answer.
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[21:42] <lwizardl> The current idea is pi, laptop hdd, hdd to usb adapter, usb media reader, and desktop dvd-rom drive.
[21:42] <Ricksl> some people suggest powering the pi through gpio since that eliminates the power restriction, others say get a good usb wall power supply and then run a powered usb hub
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[21:42] <Ricksl> alright so you might want to do something like this.
[21:43] <Phosie> I'll be going down the hub route, but I won't be powering much either.
[21:43] <Ricksl> you would buy a powered usb hub, one with its own wall adapter
[21:43] <Ricksl> wait
[21:43] <lwizardl> yeah I have two of those already belkin brand
[21:44] <Ricksl> does the laptop hard drive have its own power source
[21:44] <Ricksl> or will it be powered through usb
[21:44] <JakeSays> i wonder if a usb hdd would be faster than the class 10 sd card i have
[21:45] <Ricksl> because if it has its own power source you will want to plug it into the pi usb directly to eliminate having to go through the hub, since when it goes through the hub it will slow down a bit.
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[21:46] <lwizardl> JakeSays: doubtful but having 250gb or more of storage space is the bonus I want versus a 32gb storage space on a sd card
[21:46] <lwizardl> Ricksl: I was thinking more towards the separate power source just because I have had issues with the dual usb for power units like these http://www.ebay.com/itm/USB-2-0-To-SATA-Serial-ATA-HDD-Converter-Adapter-Cable-2-5-HDD-Box-Case-New-/400365029314?pt=US_Drive_Cables_dapters&hash=item5d379d87c2
[21:47] <Ricksl> oh good a usb y cable
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[21:47] <Ricksl> what kind of issues do you run into?
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[21:48] <lwizardl> the drive seemed like not getting enough power to turn on with some ports
[21:48] <lwizardl> like on a 4 usb card ports 2 &3 worked fine but if you plugged it into say ports 1&2 the drive didnt turn on
[21:49] <Ricksl> shiftplusone: do you think anything bad would come from backpowering the pi using a usb Y cable?
[21:49] <lwizardl> this was the page that originally gave me the idea for turning a pi into a dvd player http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=40526
[21:50] <shiftplusone> I don't think so, but I am not too careful about these things.
[21:50] <JakeSays> lwizardl: interesting idea - i have a few dvd players laying around
[21:51] <Ricksl> because I know as a fact that all usb y cables have common ground and 5 volt lines
[21:51] <Phosie> I'm strangely excited about having 2A to play with.
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[21:51] <Ricksl> so if you plug the dead side of the usb y (the side that supplies just power) into a usb power port and the data side into a pi you will turn on your pi using that.
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[21:52] <lwizardl> Ricksl: hmm so in theory it will work
[21:53] <Ricksl> well see I am not sure of the best way of powering everything.
[21:53] <Ricksl> the dvd drive and the hard drive will take up a lot of power, and the hard drive should have a direct link to the pi for faster data transfer
[21:55] <lwizardl> yeah I was thinking hdd directly to one of the pi usb ports, and then the second usb to the media hub
[21:55] <Ricksl> and then powering the pi, you could do it through gpio by stripping a usb cable, or through the micro usb port, or through just using a usb y cable to power it in reverse through the usb ports
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[21:57] <Ricksl> someone give this guy some imput
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[21:59] <Phosie> I don't want to take a risk with backfeeding
[21:59] <Phosie> So I've ordered a micro usb cable to go with my pi
[21:59] <Phosie> and hub
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[22:02] <Ricksl> but you realize backfeeding is an artifact of the hub
[22:02] <Ricksl> so if you want to make sure no backfeeding happens, somewhere between the hub and the pi usb you will need a diode.
[22:02] <shiftplusone> Why are people worried about backfeeding?
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[22:02] <Ricksl> cause with bad (chineese crap) hubs surges can damage the pi
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[22:03] <Phosie> Website I got my hub from says it doesn't backfeed...hmm
[22:03] <shiftplusone> That would depend on the power supply the hub is using rather than the hub itself, wouldn' it?
[22:03] <Ricksl> dunno
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[22:11] <Ricksl> see if this helps you any, btw crappy ipod photo incomming http://imgur.com/ctfGu9w
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[22:11] <Ricksl> this is something along the lines of how I would do it.
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[22:12] <lwizardl> yeah that was about how i was thinking
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[22:13] <Ricksl> so you would have a powered hub running the cd drive and the little media reader, wifidongle whatever. then the usb y cable powering the hard drive and the pi
[22:14] <dangerarea> Ricksl: that's exactly how i'm powering a pi and 3 x 3G dongles
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[22:14] <dangerarea> works really well
[22:14] <Ricksl> I just threw this together with what I had on my workbench.
[22:16] <dangerarea> well USB power to pi power and then the second USB power to hub y-lead power, y-lead data to pi's USB
[22:16] <Ricksl> can i ask why you are using 3 3g dongles on your pi
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[22:17] <shiftplusone> because any more than that would be silly, 'course.
[22:18] <Ricksl> how obvious.
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[22:22] <dangerarea> hah
[22:23] <dangerarea> i'm sending audio duplicated over 3 unreliable links and re-assembling them with hopefully at least one copy of each data packet the other end
[22:23] <dangerarea> 3G in London sucks balls
[22:23] <shiftplusone> dangerarea, family friendly channel
[22:23] <dangerarea> shiftplusone: oops, apologies
[22:23] <Ricksl> isn't cellular in europe pretty much monopolized by vodaphone?
[22:23] <shiftplusone> np, just a heads up
[22:24] <dangerarea> thanks, I even skimmed the motd!
[22:24] <nerdboy> i'm sure he meant bocci balles...
[22:24] <dangerarea> ;)
[22:24] <dangerarea> europe seems to be, orange has a good share
[22:24] <linuxstb> Ricksl: Not really. IIUC, each country has several competing physical networks. But yes, vodafone are one of those in most countries I think.
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[22:25] <dangerarea> we have a few seperate networks, but a lot of others that piggy back on those
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[22:31] <linuxstb> dangerarea: What kind of audio are you sending? Can't you just make a phone call? ;)
[22:32] <dangerarea> it's unfinished but for mobile reporting for broadcast
[22:32] <dangerarea> plus phone calls gargle and disconnect quite frequently too
[22:33] <dangerarea> we're too congested and don't have the capacity or the companies willing to overhaul their networks
[22:33] <dangerarea> outside of the city it's pretty much fine
[22:34] <Ricksl> we have something similar, at least where i live in the northeast
[22:34] <linuxstb> dangerarea: So how well is your system working? What bitrate is your audio stream?
[22:34] <DaQatz> Ricksl: What part?
[22:34] <Ricksl> our internet infrastructure is pitiful, if you don't live in an area lucky enough to have a fiberoptic connection you are sol
[22:34] <Ricksl> I live in rural new jersey
[22:35] <DaQatz> Ouch Jersey
[22:35] <Ricksl> but even in the cities I have found internet is bad
[22:35] <dangerarea> well a full broadcast with music is perfect with 128k of data
[22:35] <Ricksl> actually I get better internet than my friend living in trenton
[22:35] <dangerarea> but for reporters, a reliable 56k would be perfect
[22:35] <JakeSays> we're getting google fiber this year
[22:36] <Ricksl> lucky you jake
[22:36] <linuxstb> dangerarea: Are you managing to get 128k transmitting reliably>
[22:36] <linuxstb> s/>/?/
[22:37] <JakeSays> Ricksl: well, i'll have to move to actually take advantage of it
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[22:37] <JakeSays> not sure i want to do that
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[22:37] <Ricksl> heh
[22:37] <JakeSays> ls
[22:37] <JakeSays> oops
[22:38] <Ricksl> jake how many times have i told you, irc isn't a bash prompt
[22:38] <JakeSays> lol
[22:38] <JakeSays> tell my fingers that
[22:38] <DaQatz> I used to make the same mistake a lot.
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[22:41] <dangerarea> linuxstb: not at the moment, I'm screaming naughty things at openvpn to try to get it connect over each card rather than everything over one
[22:41] <dangerarea> it'll get there though
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[22:52] <JakeSays> hmm. so with class 10 sd cards you can't overclock?
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[23:14] <heckman> Has anyone had any luck installing Debian 7.0 wheezy on an SD card using debootstrap?
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[23:41] <zproc> JakeSays: all my sdcards are class 10 i think and i overclock
[23:43] <zproc> JakeSays: yep they are all class 10
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[23:46] <JakeSays> zproc: huh. i'll give it a try then.
[23:46] <shiftplusone> JakeSays, where did you get the idea that you can't?
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[23:48] <JakeSays> shiftplusone: http://elinux.org/RPiconfig#Overclocking
[23:48] <JakeSays> "If you use Class 6 & 10 SD Cards and want an stable running PI : DON´t try Overclocking or you Losing probably DATA "
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[23:49] <JakeSays> which really doesnt make sense to me since those are usually higher end sd cards
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[23:51] <shiftplusone> Given the formatting of that section, it seems like somebody went all derpy on the page.
[23:52] <zproc> i have RPis that have been running for months with o/c without problem… i can't say more…
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[23:52] <shiftplusone> same here
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[23:53] <shiftplusone> Actually I may be wrong, popcornmix may have added that warning
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[23:54] <shiftplusone> Nuh, I don't seem him typing " you Losing probably DATA"
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[23:55] <taza> Yeah, that's nonsense.
[23:56] <taza> Overvolting increases risk of data loss, at a point. Probably faster SD cards may be problematic too.
[23:56] <shiftplusone> It was added by a 'Remsnet' http://elinux.org/User:Remsnet
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[23:56] <taza> JakeSays: But yeah, class 6 or 10 SD cards with just overclocking and not overvolting? Apparently not a huge risk
[23:57] <taza> I've had absolutely zero trouble with mild overclocking & Class 10 SD cards
[23:57] <taza> (I use Class 4 for XBMC and Class 10 for everything else)

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