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IRC Log for 2013-06-10

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[0:00] <histo> You can reduce writes to SD cards though if you disable journaling and atime
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[0:01] <JakeSays> Ricksl: so.. this motor controller i have - i now need to switch motor direction
[0:02] <Ricksl> i have no clue
[0:02] <Ricksl> you would need to make an h bridge, which is possible out of mosfets.
[0:04] <JakeSays> i have two of those :)
[0:04] <shiftplusone> need 2 more then, I think
[0:05] <JakeSays> :(
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[0:05] <shiftplusone> Check
[0:05] <Ricksl> you do good sir
[0:05] <shiftplusone> I don't remember the h bridge circuit, but from memory, it's 4 transistors
[0:05] <Ricksl> you will need 2 n channel
[0:05] <Ricksl> and two p channel
[0:05] <JakeSays> bah
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[0:05] <Ricksl> mua ha ha ha ha
[0:06] <Ricksl> http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&docid=4_VhRBE4TCzepM&tbnid=_FYJC2YiraE_3M:&ved=&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.learn-c.com%2Fexperiment7.htm&ei=Yvy0UYnnGcXE4APev4DIBA&bvm=bv.47534661,d.dmg&psig=AFQjCNF-Ku9FaNdMB0DrDCzuPIQ9v-6hpg&ust=1370901981852885
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[0:06] <Ricksl> that wasn't what I wanted
[0:07] <Ricksl> http://www.learn-c.com/basicmosfethbridge.gif
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[0:07] <Ricksl> hm this picture isn't very good either, ideally the two at the top of the circuit would be p channel mosfets
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[0:08] <JakeSays> http://www.bristolwatch.com/ele/img/h5.gif
[0:10] <Ricksl> http://roko.ca/articles/hbridge/bridge1.gif in this one you would have q1 and q4 connected to the same pin and q2 and q3 connected as well
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[0:16] <JakeSays> Ricksl: dang thats a simle circuit.
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[0:17] <Ricksl> wat
[0:17] <JakeSays> the one you pasted
[0:20] <Ricksl> simple?*
[0:20] <Ricksl> or similar
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[0:28] <JakeSays> LOL simple
[0:28] <JakeSays> sorry
[0:28] <Ricksl> what was so simple jake
[0:28] <JakeSays> the schematic you pasted
[0:29] <JakeSays> i expected it to be more complex
[0:29] <Ricksl> a mosfet h bridge
[0:29] <Ricksl> na mosfets make connecting things nice and simple, no need to worry about resistances
[0:29] <Ricksl> well no need to worry about how to drive a load with a certain resistance
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[0:33] <Tachyon`> Iain M Banks :(, damn shame. He's dead yet cameron and clegg still live, there's no bloody justice
[0:35] <JakeSays> Ricksl: i'm going to replace this led i'm using to protect the pi against the motor field collapse with a real diode. i connect the anode to the positive side? (its been a while..)
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[0:39] <JakeSays> actually i think it would be the opposite
[0:39] <shiftplusone> JakeSays, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flyback_diode
[0:40] <JakeSays> shiftplusone: ah thanks!
[0:40] * shiftplusone wonders if that even works in an h-bridge =/
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[0:40] <JakeSays> shiftplusone: i'm currently h-bridgeless
[0:40] <JakeSays> just using a transistor
[0:40] <shiftplusone> Yeah, but I am just wondering... google time
[0:40] <Ricksl> you would want to bridge any inductive load with a diode in the opposite direction jakie poo
[0:41] <JakeSays> i did discover, though, that by manually turning the motor the LED gets awful bright. lol.
[0:41] <shiftplusone> >_<
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[0:41] <randomA> hey,
[0:41] <shiftplusone> JakeSays, just stumbled upon this... might have info handy for you http://www.robotroom.com/HBridge.html
[0:42] <randomA> i'm using archlinux right now, how can i erase the current img on my SD card and replace it with another OS?
[0:42] <shiftplusone> randomA, that's blasphemy! However, you don't need to erase anything, just flash the new image like you did the original one
[0:42] <shiftplusone> it will overwrite everything
[0:43] <randomA> shuftplusone: how can i do that on linux?
[0:43] <shiftplusone> So you can use an inferior OS instead =P
[0:43] <randomA> i thnk most people use dd but not too sure
[0:43] <shiftplusone> using the dd command
[0:43] <randomA> right, but dd has not worked for me in the past
[0:43] <randomA> and i couldn't get eth0 to work on arch, and i'm trying to see if it works on debian
[0:44] <shiftplusone> Unless you are doing it wrong or your sd reader is busted, DD has to work
[0:44] <randomA> ok, so what exactly do i type into xterm?
[0:44] <shiftplusone> http://elinux.org/RPi_Easy_SD_Card_Setup#Using_the_Linux_command_line
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[0:44] <randomA> i was legit just on that page
[0:45] <randomA> thanks, i'll be back if i run into problems
[0:45] <shiftplusone> Hopefully not
[0:45] <shiftplusone> ... the problems part.... not the you being back part
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[0:48] <shiftplusone> JakeSays, having a skim through that page... it's well worth a read.
[0:48] <randomA> these are not rolling distros right? the debian
[0:49] <JakeSays> shiftplusone: i'm skimmin' :)
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[0:51] <shiftplusone> randomA, no, but use Raspbian instead of plain debian
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[0:53] <randomA> ok,
[0:53] <randomA> arch's ARM distro, had partitioned my SD into /sdd1 and /sdd2
[0:53] <randomA> in my "of" do i just use "of=/dev/sdd
[0:54] <linuxstb> Yes
[0:54] <shiftplusone> yup
[0:54] <randomA> k
[0:54] <randomA> right, doing it now. i think it didn't work last time because i didn't umount it
[0:55] <shiftplusone> yeah, that's a Bad Idea (TM)
[0:55] <randomA> well yeah, it just ddin't work then.
[0:55] <randomA> what oS do you use on yours?
[0:55] <shiftplusone> I prefer Arch, but it's personal preference. Raspbian is the recommended OS
[0:56] <ring0> ever brake your arch on rpi?
[0:56] <randomA> did networking just work automatically work for you using arch?
[0:56] <shiftplusone> ring0, yup
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[0:57] <ring0> shiftplusone, could you repair it or did you just flash a new image? :)
[0:57] <shiftplusone> randomA, yeah, it just worked, but I am not using the latest image. I have seen other people say the network doesn't work when using the latest, so go figure.
[0:57] <shiftplusone> ring0, repaired
[0:57] <ring0> shiftplusone,
[0:58] <randomA> ok, the dd command stoped, do i just take the sd card out, and try it? because it's not like i can umount it
[0:58] <ring0> oops
[0:58] <shiftplusone> randomA, run 'sync' first just in case
[0:58] <ParkerR> randomA, Type sync
[0:58] <randomA> just type sync?
[0:58] <ParkerR> Yes
[0:58] <shiftplusone> ...and press enter
[0:58] <randomA> ok
[0:59] <shiftplusone> ..(you never know)
[0:59] <ParkerR> If that exits then its done writing to the card
[0:59] <randomA> nothing happened
[0:59] <shiftplusone> good
[0:59] <ShorTie> helps if your on one foot too...
[0:59] <shiftplusone> take the card out and plug it into the pi
[0:59] <randomA> k :) gonna go try it
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[1:02] <shiftplusone> Any luck?
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[1:04] <ShorTie> oh no, doesn't look good
[1:05] <shiftplusone> Think he's dead? =/
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[1:20] <randomA> hey
[1:21] <randomA> networking works :) but unfortunately, i hit the GB keyboard instead of the US one so couldn't really figure out how to get #
[1:21] <randomA> if the # key is the # sign, then what key is the backslash?
[1:22] <randomA> and where's the pipe?
[1:22] <pksato> set correct keyboard layout.
[1:23] <linuxstb> randomA: Run "sudo raspi-config" to get that config menu again
[1:23] <shiftplusone> randomA, run 'sudo raspi-config' and change the settings there
[1:23] <randomA> ok, thanks :)
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[1:24] <randomA> how do i get the * symbol in the brackets? 'y' does not work
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[1:26] <randomA> seriously
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[1:26] <shiftplusone> I don't get the question
[1:27] <pksato> * is on same place on US and UK keyb.
[1:27] <JakeSays> randomA: space bar?
[1:27] <ReggieUK> hit the space bar
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[1:27] <shiftplusone> ah
[1:27] <shiftplusone> And hello there, Reggie.
[1:27] <ReggieUK> o/
[1:28] <randomA> yep, figured that out
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[1:29] <pksato> ah... how select item on list. :)
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[1:40] <super3> since the raspi camera is sold out. what is a good cheap usb camera that is known to work?
[1:41] <pksato> have lots of webcam that work.
[1:41] <pksato> any standard usbvision (driver free).
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[1:43] <appleguru> can I use http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/80256631/install-rtl8188cus-latest.sh with the latest wheezy?
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[1:49] <appleguru> and… rpi-update vs raspberry pi boot loader?
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[1:51] <shiftplusone> "rpi-update vs raspberry pi boot loader" ?
[1:53] <pksato> berryboot? NOOBS?
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[1:53] <Dr_willis> super3, i imagine any that are known to work in linux in general should work,
[1:53] <shiftplusone> It's vague question night on #raspberrypi =D
[1:54] <Dr_willis> super3, watch out for ones 'known to work' but then the company changes internal chipset on their products.. had that happen to Video Capture Dongle.
[1:54] <appleguru> shiftplusone: has dpi-update been superseded? or is it still relevant?
[1:54] <appleguru> *rpi
[1:54] <shiftplusone> appleguru, still relevant
[1:54] <Phosie> I have a working webcam, however it is *terrible*
[1:54] <shiftplusone> but you don't need to use it unless you have a specific reason
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[1:57] <appleguru> shiftplusone: super slow wifi...
[1:57] <appleguru> seems it actually may have fixed it o.O
[1:59] <Dr_willis> I can see how using a usb wifi, and usb webcam, can be a bit of a load for the Poor Little Pi. ;)
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[2:01] <appleguru> perhaps I spoke too soon :(
[2:01] <appleguru> wifi is still terrible
[2:01] <appleguru> 3KB/s
[2:01] <appleguru> dropping tons of Rx packets
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[2:26] <super3> thanks Dr_willis
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[3:43] <Ricksl> shiftplusone: return to zork works amazing on the pi with scumm
[3:43] <shiftplusone> glad to hear it
[3:43] <shiftplusone> I was worried I was making things up
[3:43] <Ricksl> its okay if you talk out of your ass, as long as you are right.
[3:44] <shiftplusone> heh
[3:44] <shiftplusone> (mind the language though >.>)
[3:44] <Dr_willis> Been playng with Rasplex lately here on my pi.
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[3:45] <shiftplusone> How does it compare to xbmc?
[3:45] <Dr_willis> cleaner default interface. but it does have less 'features' since it is a client for your plex server.
[3:46] <Ricksl> what is a plex server
[3:46] <Dr_willis> and it dosent do the 'server' bit that xbmc handles.. like looking up file/names/database stuff
[3:46] <Dr_willis> plex can be thought of as 'xbmc' split into a 'server' half and a 'client' half.
[3:46] <Dr_willis> withit - i got a plex server with all the vid4eos.. and xbmc, plex client, and other unpnp clients can connect to it.
[3:47] <Dr_willis> even over the internet. ;)
[3:47] <Ricksl> sounds harder to setup
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[3:47] <Dr_willis> actually its easier to setup
[3:47] <shiftplusone> Any difference in performance?
[3:47] <Dr_willis> the one plex server has all the data, and does the lookups of show names and so forth.
[3:48] <Dr_willis> the clients just connect. and seee the info.
[3:48] <Dr_willis> I cant see any preformance differance
[3:48] <Dr_willis> but i dont watch HD videos either.
[3:48] <shiftplusone> Hm, thanks.
[3:48] <shiftplusone> Might check it out eventually
[3:49] <Dr_willis> the goal is to take a Pi+plex pi and hook it up to a tv. and got a smart tv for under $40 :)
[3:49] <Dr_willis> well you will need a remote for it.. so thats another $10 i guess..
[3:49] <Dr_willis> or use a android phone as a remote.
[3:49] <Ricksl> unless its a semi smart tv with cec support
[3:49] <Dr_willis> it also has a feature to watch plex 'channels' from the plex server.. so the server is grabbing vbideos from the web, and sending them to the pi.
[3:50] <Dr_willis> but those dont work too well yet.
[3:50] <Ricksl> sounds like it might be advantageous since the server can do all the heavy work of fetching and possibly transcoding the video for the pi
[3:50] <Dr_willis> Eventually. you will be able (for example) to watch Amazon Prime on the PlexPi client,
[3:51] <Dr_willis> Plus i got Plex Channel for my ROKU and Smart TV. so i got the same interface on all the devices and my older tv.
[3:51] <Dr_willis> Plex Client for Android i think is $4 however.
[3:51] <Dr_willis> and their 'over the internet' service i think is where they are making money also. like $4 a mo.
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[3:52] <Dr_willis> http://lifehacker.com/5991040/rasplex-puts-plex-on-your-raspberry-pi+powered-home-theater-pc
[3:53] <Ricksl> lets see here
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[4:10] <appleguru> nobody has seen super slow wifi from their pi before? I still can't get it moving faster than 3kb/s
[4:10] <appleguru> http://pastebin.com/MD0jXxkz
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[4:25] <ParkerR> appleguru: I have that same chipset. Never had issues like that
[4:25] <appleguru> :-/
[4:25] <JakeSays> appleguru: i'm using pseudo-wifi.
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[4:36] <appleguru> so I put the same wifi dongle in my mac… still pretty bad, but doing 100x better than it was on the pi… (300KB/s instead of 3KB/s)
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[5:12] <appleguru> mmm
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[5:12] <appleguru> getting 3 flashes now.. loader.bin not found?
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[5:13] <shiftplusone> Have you checked your voltage?
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[5:14] <appleguru> yes. voltage is good
[5:14] <appleguru> looking at my boot partition, start.elf is missing?
[5:15] <appleguru> that did the trick (copied start.elf back over from the stock raspbian image)
[5:15] <appleguru> now the question is where in the heck did it go in the first place?
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[5:18] <shiftplusone> I think only you can answer that
[5:21] <JakeSays> mars
[5:23] <appleguru> :D
[5:23] <appleguru> and of course, the other question is why I'm getting set faults now...
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[5:23] * appleguru wonders if that pi-update installed something that broke compatibility with everything I've compiled so far :P
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[5:35] <djapo> i hope someone can help me with my wifi problem on th rpi, i em using a 8192cu driver for my dongle it works great except it appears to hog the wifi so that other devices canot use the network, i have at&t's highest package so im pretty sure i have the bandwith for it not sure if the problem is high packets loss causing high lattency post script: this problems happens when i have xbmc streaming a video
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[5:37] <JakeSays> djapo: try from another machine
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[5:39] <appleguru> any idea why hart would stop working after dpi-update?
[5:39] <appleguru> *rpi
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[5:40] <appleguru> *uart
[5:40] <g2nightmare> i mounted my external on my raspberry pi but how do i give my pi user access to it ?
[5:41] <djapo> JakeSays i em trying from two android phones that stream hd video fine simultaniously however when i have the pi stream i canot use the network on another device for even browsing the web
[5:42] <JakeSays> djapo: try the pi with wired ethernet
[5:44] <djapo> JakeSays: will do but i em running irssi from the pi right now, also thinking that this could have something to do with 8192cu power management over the dongle
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[5:58] <Triffid_Hunter> g2nightmare: mount with -o uid=pi, or alternatively make an entry in fstab with user,users in the options column then mount it as pi user
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[6:22] <ParkerR> Triffid_Hunter: All he had to do was add the main user to the group "fuse"
[6:23] <ParkerR> Then a user can browse a share mounted by root
[6:23] <ParkerR> *browse and edit files in a share
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[7:53] <Chetic> why does netcat -l refuse incoming connections when I start it with "nc -l 1234 < in > out" but not when I start it with "nc -l 1234"?
[7:54] <Chetic> (Raspbian)
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[7:56] <Triffid_Hunter> Chetic: hm, on mine it listens on a random port.. very odd
[7:56] <Triffid_Hunter> Chetic: ah because -l doesn't take a parameter. use nc -l -p 1234
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[7:57] <Chetic> Triffid_Hunter: nc -l 1234 works
[7:57] <Chetic> but not with the extra piping
[7:58] <Chetic> (nc -l -p 1234 < in > out didn't work)
[7:58] <Triffid_Hunter> Chetic: works for me
[7:59] <Triffid_Hunter> Chetic: how are you testing it?
[7:59] <Chetic> two putty windows to ssh
[8:00] <Chetic> "nc -l -p 1234 < in > out" in one, "nc 127.0.0.1 1234" in the other
[8:00] <Chetic> though -v in the 2nd to see that the connection is refused
[8:00] <Triffid_Hunter> when I do that, nc localhost 1234 spits out the contents of in, and anything I type in there gets written to out
[8:01] <Chetic> oh right, I used mkfifo to create in and out
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[8:01] <Triffid_Hunter> should work fine with fifos
[8:02] <citric> I know this is a raspi channel, but does anyone own a android stick?
[8:02] <Chetic> doesn't seem to
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[8:02] <Triffid_Hunter> Chetic: ah of course, you have to open the other end of the fifo first
[8:03] <Triffid_Hunter> Chetic: or the kernel will pause nc
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[8:03] <citric> someone in this channel suggested a android stick for what I need, I just want to know if they are root-able :)
[8:03] <Triffid_Hunter> Chetic: so open a 3rd terminal and cat in & cat > out; then the kernel will allow nc to start and all will work :P
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[8:03] <Chetic> Triffid_Hunter: interesting!
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[8:04] <Triffid_Hunter> Chetic: makes sense. fifos are designed to be completely transparent, so as soon as the process reads or writes or opens one, the kernel must pause it until data is available
[8:07] <Chetic> Triffid_Hunter: works! thanks
[8:09] <Triffid_Hunter> Chetic: probably nc reads from the fifo before trying to open the listen socket or something.. strace will tell you
[8:09] <Triffid_Hunter> Chetic: chaining all these pipes together sounds like you're doing some interesting learning :)
[8:12] <Chetic> Triffid_Hunter: you bet! feels like I'm learning a lot of useful stuff
[8:12] <Chetic> strace looks interesting too
[8:12] <Triffid_Hunter> Chetic: heh in unix, "everything is a file" ;)
[8:12] <Chetic> which is ofc beautiful
[8:13] <Triffid_Hunter> Chetic: yeah strace is awesome. it shows you all the system calls that a process makes
[8:13] <Triffid_Hunter> if you want to see what it's actually doing, see gdb but usually strace is ample
[8:14] <Chetic> yeah gdb is beautiful too, so intuitive
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[8:15] <Triffid_Hunter> Chetic: heh when hackers make a tool for hackers to use for hacking it generally ends up pretty powerful ;)
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[8:57] <Schonert> I've got a very basic knowladge of how amps and volts work. Would the raspberry handle 2.1 amps? ( ipad charger https://discussions.apple.com/docs/DOC-3511 )
[8:58] <XpineX> Sure, the rPi only draws what it needs... As long as it is 5 volts
[8:58] <Triffid_Hunter> Schonert: the current is a maximum that the supply can provide. as long as the voltage is correct you could hook it to a 3 million amp supply and it would be quite happy
[8:58] <Schonert> Challange accepted Triffid_Hunter ;-) Thanks guys
[8:59] <Triffid_Hunter> Schonert: I run mine from a 2.5A tablet charger, works great
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[9:26] <ItsMeLenny> how do i know which board revision i have?
[9:28] <steve_rox> look for polly fuses on the usb sockets?
[9:28] <steve_rox> errm
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[9:29] <steve_rox> and if there are mounting holes in the board
[9:29] <steve_rox> my rev1 does not have holes but does have polly fuses
[9:30] <ItsMeLenny> oh
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[9:30] <ItsMeLenny> i have mounting holes
[9:30] <steve_rox> theres probly better ways to find out but thats what i just came up with
[9:30] <steve_rox> probly a rev2
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[9:32] <x29a> ItsMeLenny: http://elinux.org/RPi_HardwareHistory
[9:33] <ItsMeLenny> yeah i just realised it has all the extra headers
[9:33] <ItsMeLenny> and its also 512mb
[9:33] <steve_rox> did you have a perfered version?
[9:34] <ItsMeLenny> what do you mean
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[9:34] <ItsMeLenny> the pinouts change between the revisions
[9:35] <steve_rox> with my rev1 board the thing does not reboot when you shove usb devices in
[9:35] <steve_rox> my rev2 one does
[9:35] <steve_rox> because they removed the polly fuses
[9:35] <ItsMeLenny> ohhhhhh
[9:35] <ItsMeLenny> yeah mine reboots when i shove a hdd in
[9:36] <steve_rox> a fix can be soldered on
[9:36] <ItsMeLenny> oh
[9:36] <ItsMeLenny> whats the fix
[9:36] <steve_rox> just need to put something between the power i think to buffer the sudden power change
[9:36] <ItsMeLenny> ah
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[9:37] <ItsMeLenny> could the gpio pins be used to send a video out? or a video buffer kind of thing
[9:37] <steve_rox> i was thinking of adding a cap to it and seeing if that worked
[9:37] <steve_rox> i dont think so
[9:37] <ItsMeLenny> like people have hooked the small 128x64 lcd black and white screens up to them
[9:38] <steve_rox> oh well yeah ppl have put them on
[9:38] <ItsMeLenny> could the entire desktop be converted to output onto that
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[9:38] <steve_rox> i thought you ment some kinda full color fast fps display
[9:38] <ItsMeLenny> i do
[9:38] <ItsMeLenny> well not full colour
[9:38] <steve_rox> i dont think its fast enough for high fps
[9:39] <steve_rox> im sticking to composite and the hdmi ;-)
[9:39] <ItsMeLenny> lol yeah
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[9:39] <steve_rox> seems easier that way
[9:39] <ItsMeLenny> but could the desktop be put out onto one of those pixel lcds?
[9:39] <ItsMeLenny> or would that involve changing X or something
[9:39] <steve_rox> hmmm
[9:40] <ItsMeLenny> or lots of print screening
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[9:40] <steve_rox> i have little experence in programming but i dont think it couild be done without serious codeing and a display that could fit it pixel wise
[9:41] <steve_rox> im using one them car reverseing lcd's at moment and that doesent fit all startx pixels in too well without running at a lower res , then the dialogs are kinda cramped
[9:41] <ItsMeLenny> ah yeah, is that through composite?
[9:41] <steve_rox> yeah :-)
[9:42] <ItsMeLenny> i have one of those car lcds but still havnt gotten anything 12 volt to hook it up to >_<
[9:42] <steve_rox> lcd addapted to use 5v too rather than 12
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[9:42] <steve_rox> i used to run it off a usb port untill i hard soldered it into my pi project box
[9:43] <ItsMeLenny> oh
[9:43] <ItsMeLenny> how do you convert a 12v lcd to use 5v?
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[9:43] <steve_rox> you have to solder a direct line into the pcb to deliver 5v
[9:44] <steve_rox> bypassing the regulator
[9:44] <ItsMeLenny> is that on that cheapo 20 dollar one?
[9:44] <steve_rox> this guy online did it and from his crude images i was able to re create it
[9:44] <ItsMeLenny> loool
[9:45] <steve_rox> i think so
[9:45] <ItsMeLenny> so can it then use the 5v off the raspi?
[9:45] <ItsMeLenny> or would that suck too many amps?
[9:45] <steve_rox> i tryed that , the power is too low
[9:45] <steve_rox> it sucks in MA
[9:46] <steve_rox> no amps ;-)
[9:46] <steve_rox> kinda thing hehe
[9:46] <steve_rox> ive put mine in a project box with the pi
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[9:47] <steve_rox> need to add some toggle switches so it can be turned on and off to save power/heat
[9:47] <ItsMeLenny> got any pics?
[9:48] <steve_rox> http://www.zen74792.zen.co.uk/images/P1060356_A.jpg
[9:48] <steve_rox> theres one
[9:48] <steve_rox> earlier shot tho so its slightly differnt from that now
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[9:48] <ItsMeLenny> nice!
[9:49] <ItsMeLenny> needs some arcade buttons on the front :P
[9:49] <steve_rox> haha
[9:49] <ItsMeLenny> do you have any of the lcd wiring?
[9:49] <steve_rox> im seriously running out of room in it
[9:49] <steve_rox> lcd wireing? err
[9:49] <ItsMeLenny> lol!
[9:49] <steve_rox> i wasent thinking of makeing it for gameing
[9:49] <ItsMeLenny> the wiring on the back of the lcd to bypass the 12v
[9:50] <steve_rox> since i still cant get mame going on it :-P
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[9:51] <steve_rox> http://www.skpang.co.uk/blog/archives/541
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[9:51] <steve_rox> this was the website i used as a guide
[9:51] <steve_rox> and a multimeter and various checks
[9:51] <ItsMeLenny> ah
[9:51] <ItsMeLenny> still have to get myself a multimeter :P
[9:51] <steve_rox> they seem dirt cheap these days , least the generic ones
[9:52] <ItsMeLenny> lol his carry case, pretty neat
[9:52] <ItsMeLenny> yeah
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[9:52] <steve_rox> mines smaller ;-)
[9:52] <steve_rox> but doesent fit battery or keyboard
[9:52] <steve_rox> :D
[9:52] <ItsMeLenny> :P
[9:52] <steve_rox> think i mad add a small fan into it
[9:52] <ItsMeLenny> that screen, how it has the 3 buttons on the back
[9:52] <steve_rox> i got it to 62'c
[9:52] <ItsMeLenny> mine didnt come with the buttons!
[9:53] <ItsMeLenny> but when i opened it up there wer ethe places for them, and the pictures on ebay showed the buttons
[9:53] <steve_rox> that may be a issue if the pcb does not match
[9:53] <ItsMeLenny> 62 thats gettin hot?
[9:53] <steve_rox> not exactly
[9:53] <ItsMeLenny> have you tried mini heatsinks on it?
[9:53] <steve_rox> heatsinks are worthless without airflow
[9:54] <ItsMeLenny> true :P
[9:54] <steve_rox> thing is with the case getting hot i have to consider it exposing other components to heat that may not be able to cope
[9:54] <steve_rox> and that it allso burns ma hand :-P
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[9:55] <ItsMeLenny> lol, oven mits? :P
[9:55] <steve_rox> good idea :-D
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[9:56] <steve_rox> i allso added a expermental 2 power delivery thing on it
[9:57] <ItsMeLenny> oh
[9:57] <ItsMeLenny> whats that do?
[9:57] <steve_rox> so if you power it on a wall psu you just connect a batt thu another line and then you unplug psu it keeps going
[9:57] <ItsMeLenny> and dammit this screen is different, similar but differnet
[9:57] <steve_rox> i used a diode to prevent feedback into the battery , not sure if its safe but it hasent gone boom or got hot
[9:58] <steve_rox> see if the components are there were the solder points ususally go
[9:58] <ItsMeLenny> well the empty solder points on this are the 3 buttons, then this thing for 4, then a thing of 3
[9:59] <steve_rox> nah i mean the bypass wires
[9:59] <steve_rox> one goes to a cap the other the default power in socket
[9:59] <ItsMeLenny> yeah, but which cap :P
[9:59] <steve_rox> think you should get a multi meter it can help you test it
[9:59] <steve_rox> errr
[10:00] <steve_rox> choose based on picture orientation ;)
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[10:01] <steve_rox> before you solder anything check the running voltage at the points to make sure its 5v
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[10:02] <ItsMeLenny> why didnt they just make it 5v in the first place :P
[10:02] <steve_rox> well it is for a car :-P
[10:02] <ItsMeLenny> how many volts is a cigerette lighter?
[10:02] <steve_rox> it uses flint and gas fuel
[10:02] <steve_rox> ;-)
[10:02] <steve_rox> in short you mean 12v
[10:03] <ItsMeLenny> :P
[10:03] <steve_rox> the only issue with bypassing the regulator means the device is probly unprotected from unsafe voltages
[10:04] <ItsMeLenny> www.suctioncuphands.com/100CANON/IMG_2587.JPG there are a couple other pics if you go up the directory
[10:04] <ItsMeLenny> oh
[10:04] <steve_rox> but if your allways shoveing 5v into it your be fine
[10:04] <steve_rox> i have a dc-dc converter on mine
[10:04] <steve_rox> i set it to 5.25v
[10:05] <steve_rox> wow that board does look differnt
[10:07] <steve_rox> not sure where to start on that
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[10:08] <ItsMeLenny> :P
[10:08] <ItsMeLenny> see the 3 empty buttons on the left
[10:08] <steve_rox> the hack may be simular to the other one but without a multi meter dont try anythin :-P
[10:08] <ItsMeLenny> and the screen does take 2 inputs
[10:08] <ItsMeLenny> yeah, no i wouldnt
[10:08] <ItsMeLenny> even with a multimeter i probably wouldnt :P
[10:08] <ItsMeLenny> and then see the 7 headers on the right hand side, not sure what those are
[10:08] <steve_rox> hehe :-)
[10:09] <steve_rox> they look like unused solder pads
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[10:09] <steve_rox> wonder how many revisions they made of this lcd
[10:10] <ItsMeLenny> each singular lcd is different :P
[10:10] <steve_rox> i ment of this perticular mode
[10:10] <steve_rox> model
[10:10] <ItsMeLenny> yeah i know :P
[10:11] <steve_rox> theres more on ebay but getting the right rev is annoying
[10:11] <ItsMeLenny> it says K4 next to the wires, then next to the 4 headers it says K5_2
[10:11] <ItsMeLenny> getting one without buttons is farely annoying :P
[10:11] <steve_rox> oh btw i read someone broke theirs by setting the refresh rate too high or something so be carefull ;-)
[10:11] <ItsMeLenny> oh
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[10:12] <ItsMeLenny> wouldnt have even thought of it, whats its max refresh?
[10:12] <steve_rox> i have no idea
[10:12] <steve_rox> im running refresh rate at default pi setting
[10:12] <ItsMeLenny> those K5_2 headers have resistors coming off them aswell, i wonder if thats an alternate power input
[10:12] <steve_rox> you need to get multi meter definate ;-)
[10:13] <ItsMeLenny> TopSun T35m5-FPC Ver.A
[10:13] <ItsMeLenny> yeah
[10:13] <steve_rox> and i need to brb im hungry and stuff
[10:13] <ItsMeLenny> lol okee dokee
[10:13] <steve_rox> good luck and dont blow it up
[10:13] <steve_rox> ;-)
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[10:14] <steve_rox> be back soon
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[10:37] <gordonDrogon> morning.
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[10:40] <ItsMeLenny> mronin
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[11:01] <steve_rox> got fun?
[11:01] <Chetic> does anybody know how to make ntpd read the time from gpsd?
[11:02] <Triffid_Hunter> Chetic: nope but I'm sure there's a way. plenty of rank 1 ntpd servers out there which get time from gps or atomic clocks
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[11:03] <Bushmills> i thought the gpsd man page has a section on use with ntp
[11:04] <Chetic> I know it's possible, and I've followed guides (including the one in man gpsd)
[11:04] <Chetic> but ntpq -p only lists my workplace's proxy/ntp server
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[11:05] <Chetic> http://gpsd.berlios.de/gpsd.html - "Use with NTP"
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[11:11] <Chetic> can't seem to figure out how to make ntpd tell me if it's successfully connecting to the time server I _think_ I have set up
[11:11] <SpeedEvil> ntpdc peers
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[11:12] <Triffid_Hunter> Chetic: ntpq -p tells you lots of stuff
[11:13] <Bushmills> ntpq -c peers
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[11:14] <Chetic> I see a server there but it's not the one I want, and I don't know if I'm connected to it
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[11:30] <wsmsg> So, the firmware in the PI... is there any way to "update" this to a onboard flash/nand or something? or is the firmware present in whatever OS you are running (raspbian, rich os etc) ?
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[11:31] <linuxstb> wsmsg: The firmware is what loads your OS. It's present in the FAT32 partition on your SD card.
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[11:32] <wsmsg> So, to "update" the firmware just really means running a fresh version of your OS ?
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[11:33] <linuxstb> It means updating those files on the SD card. You don't need to update your whole OS.
[11:33] <wsmsg> hmm.. Are these files usually included when you update an OS?
[11:33] <linuxstb> (though there is a dependency between the firmware and kernel, plus the firmware libraries that run on the ARM)
[11:33] <histo> wsmsg: linuxstb I though you could update the firmware on the pi itself?
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[11:34] <linuxstb> histo: Yes, you can. "rpi-update"
[11:35] <wsmsg> thanks a lot you guys :)
[11:35] <histo> wsmsg: https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware
[11:35] <wsmsg> oh, sweet.
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[11:36] <histo> rpi-update appears to just update modules and kernel
[11:36] <histo> wsmsg: Doesn't appear to update firmware like you are speaking of.
[11:36] <wsmsg> aah
[11:37] <wsmsg> but a fresh install of the OS probably will?
[11:37] <wsmsg> meaning, download a fresh iso and dumping it to the SD card
[11:37] <histo> wsmsg: yes assuming it has the updated kernel
[11:38] <linuxstb> histo: No, rpi-update will bring in updated firmware files too
[11:39] <histo> linuxstb: they are just modules
[11:39] <histo> right?
[11:40] <linuxstb> histo: No. I'm talking about start.elf, bootcode.bin etc - the files in /boot/
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[11:41] <histo> linuxstb: yes he was speaking of flashing to the physical device not software based firmware
[11:41] <steve_rox> wonder if someone finds a way to hack and change that back rainbowy colorered image on boot
[11:41] <histo> steve_rox: it's part of the gpu posting
[11:42] <steve_rox> oh so no i guess
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[11:42] <steve_rox> thats probly hard coded into the gpu
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[11:43] <linuxstb> steve_rox: I assume it's just generated by code, so you'll need to find that code… But no, I would expect it to be in the loaded firmware
[11:43] <steve_rox> not someting i could do but its a idea for someone in the know
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[11:46] <steve_rox> i still need some slidy switches but i dont like the ones that stick out , means they could get damaged or something
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[11:46] <steve_rox> like something flat like the ones on a pc psu region voltage switch
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[11:57] <djazz> lost access to my pi over ssh after changing gpu mem split to 32 MB
[11:57] <djazz> i thought 16 was minimum?
[11:57] <steve_rox> you sure it rebooted?
[11:57] <djazz> yeah
[11:57] <djazz> i changed from 128 to 64, no problem
[11:57] <steve_rox> odd
[11:57] <djazz> i cant check, I'm 300 km away
[11:58] <djazz> ;)
[11:58] <steve_rox> heheh
[11:58] <djazz> mysql required more ram
[11:58] <djazz> i remember having a 16 gpu split a year ago
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[11:58] <djazz> guess it changed
[11:59] <steve_rox> you need another rpi to remote into it locally and fix it :-)
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[11:59] <djazz> yeah
[11:59] <djazz> i have another pi on the same network
[11:59] <djazz> (im chatting from it now, ssh+irssi)
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[12:00] <steve_rox> yeah i need to configure irssi and try get used to it
[12:00] <djazz> i cant ping it :/
[12:02] <maumushi> are you sure it hadn't changed ip for some reason?
[12:02] <steve_rox> maybe it dident restart
[12:02] <djazz> maumushi: yes, just did an nmap scan
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[12:02] <djazz> only this and router online
[12:02] <djazz> steve_rox: yeah, it probably crashed
[12:03] <steve_rox> need a relay on the other pi gpio that presses reset
[12:03] <steve_rox> i think i recall the rev2 has a reset pins
[12:04] <djazz> i need a robot that removes the sd card from a pi and puts it in a sd card reader to the other pi :)
[12:04] <djazz> yep
[12:04] <steve_rox> its probly dooable
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[12:07] <BurtyB> djazz, nah you just need the board I'm working on atm ;)
[12:08] <djazz> ^^
[12:08] <gordonDrogon> steve_rox, the issue might be driving the relay..
[12:09] <steve_rox> i dont knows since i have no idea how to put a relay board on the rpi
[12:09] <steve_rox> just a theory i guess
[12:09] <gordonDrogon> you want one Pi to reset another?
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[12:12] <steve_rox> djazz needs it
[12:12] * gordonDrogon nod
[12:13] <gordonDrogon> probably could connect a I2C pin on one Pi to the reset pin on another... set output high, then to output mode, then toggle it low to reset the Pi.
[12:13] <gordonDrogon> no relay needed.
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[12:13] <gordonDrogon> I'd need to double check the schematic though, but actually, you probably could use any gpio pin, so one Pi could master reset about 20 others if you could wire them up...
[12:14] <steve_rox> learning how to operate relays is on my to do list , along with trying to learn some python to do it in first place
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[12:14] <gordonDrogon> relays need some sort of buffer to be driven from the Pi.
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[12:15] <Bushmills> SSRs you could probably drive directly
[12:15] <gordonDrogon> you certianly can - just make sure their opto isolated inputs can be driven at 3.3v and take under 15mA.
[12:15] <gordonDrogon> I used some crydom ones a while back for an experiment.
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[12:17] <gordonDrogon> I'm looking at some logic level mosfets though - they're something that's just not been on my horizon for reasons I can't work out... (most likely i've never had a need!)
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[12:18] <ashleyw> Hey I'm having troubles with my two pis and two sd cards. I've tried Xbian, raspbmc and raspbian, they all fail. The PWR light is on, but the ACT/OK light flashes in various ways. E.g. 1-0-1-0, 111-0-111-0. Sometimes it's really dim. I'm using a new ethernet cable, and a new HDMI cable+monitor. Could my SD cards be corrupt even though I can see the FAT partitions on OS X?
[12:18] <steve_rox> you sure you shoved the card in all the way? we had someone once that did that heh
[12:18] <gordonDrogon> ashleyw, did you lookup the flash codes on the wiki?
[12:19] <Bushmills> dim power light ... hm .. what power supply do you use?
[12:19] <gordonDrogon> http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting#Green_LED_blinks_in_a_specific_pattern
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[12:19] <ashleyw> gordonDrogon: yeah, but what would that pattern be? "3 flashes: loader.bin not found"?\
[12:21] <ashleyw> but it's not really flashing, just staying on for 3 ticks then off for 1
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[12:23] <ashleyw> With hdmi_safe=1, ACT flashes really fast, but with hdmi_safe=0, it flashes 11-0-11-0. Hmmm...
[12:24] <ashleyw> I guess either both of my boards have died simultaneously, or I have bad sd cards, or my power supply has turned bad.
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[12:36] <gordonDrogon> I'd start with the power supply and work back from there.
[12:36] <ozzzy> I blame Obama
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[12:37] * ozzzy should really have his morning coffee before trying witicisms
[12:37] <steve_rox> haha :-)
[12:38] <ashleyw> thanks gordonDrogon, I'll go try and find one :)
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[12:40] <steve_rox> i added a two way power lines into my rpi project , it hasent gone boom yet so i assume its okay
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[12:44] <histo> two way power lines?
[12:44] <histo> AC?
[12:45] <steve_rox> dc power
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[12:45] <steve_rox> so you could boot say on a wall wart and switch over to a battery without causeing the rpi to crash/notice
[12:46] <ShorTie> like if the power went out ??
[12:46] <steve_rox> i dont think it could be used for a long term standby thing
[12:46] <Triffid_Hunter> I'd use a buck converter for that, run a wall wart via charge controller into the battery
[12:46] <steve_rox> the battery is protected from feedback from a diode
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[12:47] <steve_rox> i do have a buck converter
[12:47] <ShorTie> or could that just be done for like a 30 second run time off a cap ??
[12:47] <steve_rox> when both are on at same time the diode get slightly warm so it is wasteing energy
[12:47] <ShorTie> oh
[12:48] <steve_rox> its like a small aux power
[12:48] <steve_rox> so if you wanted to move the rpi without cutting it off you enable aux unplug it and go
[12:48] <ozzzy> I use a goldcap in circuits at times for SHORT power drops.... but I don't know about one supplying the 750+ mA that a Pi would need
[12:48] <steve_rox> it was just a erm expermential idea i had
[12:49] <steve_rox> www.zen74792.zen.co.uk/images/P1060356_A.jpg - thats my rpi project thing
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[12:50] <steve_rox> adding a diode in does make the battery loose a bit of ma too
[12:50] <steve_rox> but it does work i guess
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[12:50] <steve_rox> runs on a 9v pp3 batt
[12:51] <steve_rox> not sure how long it would last
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[12:51] <histo> What's a buck converter? And why not just charge the batter from the wall and run the pi off the battery? that way the wall dies the pi still runs
[12:52] <Chetic> ntpd in raspbian does not seem to use the correct conf file
[12:52] <Triffid_Hunter> histo: buck converter is a switchmode converter that reduces voltage without wasting lots of power
[12:52] <steve_rox> its able to convert a voltage down to a desired voltage
[12:52] <Triffid_Hunter> histo: search LM2596 on ebay you'll find heaps
[12:52] <steve_rox> yeah this thing is great on not wasteing power
[12:52] <steve_rox> better than using one them huge regulators that burns off energy in heat
[12:53] <steve_rox> but they say your source voltage should be 2V higher than your desired target
[12:53] <Triffid_Hunter> yep if you want them close or overlapped you need a boostbuck.. sepic topology is popular for that
[12:54] <steve_rox> im able to connect nearly any voltage into the rpi construction and it takes it fine
[12:54] <histo> steve_rox: yeah it says minumum voltage difference is 2v
[12:54] <histo> steve_rox: what are you doing with you rpi in that box?
[12:54] <steve_rox> i dunno im just building it as i go
[12:54] <steve_rox> it has no primary purpose at the momeent
[12:55] <steve_rox> was thinking of fitting the rpi cam into the case too
[12:55] <steve_rox> makes a weird brick digital camera :-P
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[12:56] <steve_rox> i need loads of tiny toggle switches for it really for various options on it
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[12:58] <ozzzy> steve_rox: I don't think it would last long.... those batteries only provide just over 600mAH
[12:58] <steve_rox> its not ment for long term
[12:58] <ozzzy> that's good =)
[12:58] <steve_rox> i do have 8AA in a large batt holder
[12:58] <ozzzy> I plug min into a 12V automotive battery
[12:59] <steve_rox> they are rated at 2.300 mAh each
[12:59] <steve_rox> 1.2v
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[12:59] <Bushmills> there are low-drop regulators, some can stabilize with a difference between input and output voltage of just 0.5 V
[12:59] <steve_rox> not really sure how to calculate predicted battery runtime
[13:00] <Bushmills> you probably want a switching regulator, not a linear regulator
[13:00] <histo> steve_rox: with mah and your draw
[13:00] <steve_rox> the 9v batt is rated 175mAh :-P
[13:00] <Bushmills> (with 12 V input, a linear regulator would have to dissipate more power than the raspberry)
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[13:01] <ozzzy> the LE50s are low-drop out... but you'd really want to set them up as a variable so you could get a nice 5.25V out of them
[13:01] <steve_rox> i use a dc-dc converter
[13:01] <Ben64> 9v battery is not very good
[13:01] <Ben64> you'd be better off loading up on AAs
[13:02] <histo> steve_rox: (mah of battery)/(ma load)
[13:02] <steve_rox> i was planning on some sort of battery inside but ive kinda ran out of room
[13:02] <Bushmills> those "power banks" may be suitable. $15..20 for about 5000 mAh, already providing 5 V out.
[13:02] <ozzzy> the LE52 might be the one you want
[13:03] <steve_rox> that would not go down well with my dc-dc converter allready in
[13:05] <steve_rox> i did take readings of what my rpi draws along with the lcd
[13:05] <steve_rox> i need to add a switch so you can turn lcd off to save power
[13:06] <ozzzy> ahhh.. sorry... there's already a converter
[13:06] <ozzzy> my bad
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[13:07] <steve_rox> its okays :-)
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[13:08] <ozzzy> I use adjustable switching supplies from china to knock 12v down to 5.25
[13:09] <Ben64> why 5.25
[13:09] <steve_rox> its max usb power spec
[13:09] <ozzzy> that's the output of most usb phone chargers
[13:09] <ozzzy> and also... ^
[13:10] <Ben64> you're just gonna make the regulators on the pi work harder
[13:10] <ozzzy> they put out 5.25 with no load and 5.00 when the Pi loads them down
[13:10] <steve_rox> i had to refine the setting on mine cos it make the rpi camera board flickerr
[13:10] <steve_rox> werid line things
[13:11] <steve_rox> i was only giveing it 5v at the timee
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[13:11] <Triffid_Hunter> ozzzy: heh and that's the good ones
[13:11] <ozzzy> http://goo.gl/cGWmr
[13:12] <steve_rox> was not sure if i could introduce another powersource to the buck converter at the same time as other changeing the output but it seems to addapt
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[13:13] <steve_rox> based on my text file my rpi with lcd draws 710ma with lan attached
[13:13] <Triffid_Hunter> steve_rox: yeah sure as long as the input voltage is within bounds it'll be quite happy
[13:13] <steve_rox> 660ma without lan
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[13:13] <steve_rox> i dident know too much about buck converters so i guess i did mini tests
[13:14] <steve_rox> max i seen it draw is 740ma
[13:14] <steve_rox> thats while it was playing a rtmp stream
[13:15] <Triffid_Hunter> steve_rox: so let's say 725mA.. 725mA * 5v = 3.625w / 85% efficiency = 4.265w. 4.3w at 9v is a bit less than 500mA. your 9v battery is gonna curl up and die with that sort of load, they're only good to about 50-100mA at most
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[13:15] <steve_rox> hehe
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[13:16] <steve_rox> i have 8AA in a battery holder
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[13:17] <Bushmills> there are "empty" powerbanks, cheap (china), just two 18650 cells (china) to insert gives a rather cheap mobile 5 v power supply - if chinaware is tolerable, of course.
[13:17] <steve_rox> if its not fake
[13:17] <Bushmills> i think i've seen them for about $2
[13:17] <steve_rox> or catches fire
[13:17] <steve_rox> or turns you into a hob goblin
[13:17] <gazzwi86> I'm trying to ssh into my pi, I haven't got a static IP so how could I login? Do i need to change /etc/dhcp/dhclient
[13:18] <ozzzy> tell your router to give the pi a static ip
[13:18] <Bushmills> on the other end are 150,000 mAh powerbanks. still portable :)
[13:18] <Ben64> www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?p_id=9531
[13:18] <Ben64> 9000mah
[13:18] <Bushmills> should run your pi for more than a week
[13:19] <steve_rox> hehe
[13:19] <steve_rox> wow
[13:19] <steve_rox> there was a small lead acid battery on ebay at 1.2 AH not sure how far that would get me
[13:20] <Ben64> depends on voltage
[13:20] <steve_rox> 12v
[13:21] <Ben64> not very far
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[13:21] <steve_rox> i dont think i could fit a battery inside this project box
[13:21] <Ben64> you have tons of room in there
[13:21] <steve_rox> i do?
[13:22] <Bushmills> maybe a methanol fuel cell :)
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[13:22] <steve_rox> haha
[13:22] <steve_rox> by typeing a cmd disenguages the fuel sell seals and goes boom
[13:23] <Ben64> i like AAs, not very high chance of explosion
[13:23] <Bushmills> more likely soak the box and drip from it
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[13:24] <steve_rox> there is some room left kinda but it would be a hell of a squeese
[13:25] <steve_rox> and the gpio pins would stab into the batts
[13:26] <steve_rox> might have to use some external battery box thing , but you dont exactly want it looking like some IED :-P
[13:27] <ozzzy> why not
[13:27] <steve_rox> ends up getting swat teams and pigs in ya face
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[13:27] <ozzzy> have a few external wires.... and put a tag on 'to disable cut the blue wire.... no... the red wire... erp'
[13:27] <steve_rox> armed with MP5 smg with hollo tippled ammo in them
[13:28] <steve_rox> heh
[13:28] <steve_rox> a disarm bomb game within a pi
[13:28] <steve_rox> like some action board game thing
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[13:33] <steve_rox> 8AA batt pack reads 10.57v
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[13:36] <ozzzy> you might be able to whack something together with those 3.6v 3100mAh lithium battries
[13:36] <histo> steve_rox: lipo battery?
[13:36] <steve_rox> i did think about lipo but they seem rather scary
[13:37] <histo> steve_rox: I think lead acid is scary
[13:37] <Triffid_Hunter> ozzzy: pretty sure Bushmills already mentioned the 18650s.. lots of them are fake though, friend brought a handful rated 3200mAh, the best one measured at about 620mAh
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[13:37] <Triffid_Hunter> histo: sulfuric acid is easier to clean up than elemental lithium ;)
[13:37] <ozzzy> Triffid_Hunter: yeah... you need to buy brand-name from a reputable supplier
[13:37] <Triffid_Hunter> least it doesn't catch fire if you pour water on it
[13:37] <steve_rox> lipos seem to go into a fireball
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[13:38] <histo> Yeah gas catches fire too we shouldn't use that either
[13:38] <Triffid_Hunter> steve_rox: yeah that's because lithium is a crazy violent little element
[13:38] <Triffid_Hunter> if you want something safe, see LiFePo4. those won't emit fire even if you shoot them with a nailgun
[13:39] <Bushmills> dangers arise when charging, usually not during use - unless you puncture or dent the cells
[13:39] <steve_rox> so i think im going to avoid lipo
[13:39] <Triffid_Hunter> steve_rox: should be able to find LiFePo4 transmitter and receiver batteries which would be ideal for your purpose
[13:40] <steve_rox> id allso need a charger for it
[13:40] <steve_rox> wonder if i should fit the rpi cam into this
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[13:41] <steve_rox> with the ir filter removed it would make a interesting night vision thing
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[13:44] <steve_rox> to measure the mah on a battery pack which each cell being 2.300 mAh would it be 2.300*8 ?
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[13:44] <Triffid_Hunter> steve_rox: only if you hook the cells in parallel
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[13:44] <steve_rox> ah these are series
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[13:44] <steve_rox> trying to figure out how long the batt pack would last
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[13:45] <Triffid_Hunter> steve_rox: do it in watt hours
[13:46] <Triffid_Hunter> steve_rox: 2.3Ah * 1.2v = 2.76Wh per cell * 8 cells = 22 watt hours
[13:46] <Triffid_Hunter> then it doesn't matter if they're series or parallel
[13:46] <Raspiman> Hi, how to change the govenor of the raspberry pi. ( i want no down scale, i want always full cpu power)
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[13:46] <Triffid_Hunter> the minimum input voltage of your switcher will insist on series arrangement though
[13:47] <steve_rox> i was never good at maths :-(
[13:47] <dangerarea> afterning all
[13:47] <histo> Triffid_Hunter: the ah is the same as well
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[13:48] <steve_rox> draws 740ma max , 710ma idle with lan
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[13:49] <Bushmills> Raspiman: easiest is probably to install cpufrequtils, and edit /etc/init.d/cpufrequtils
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[13:49] <Raspiman> @bushmills: doe you also use that program?
[13:49] <Bushmills> maybe /boot/config has something concerning governor too
[13:50] <Bushmills> on some machines, yes
[13:50] <Raspiman> You can change default values (used when idle) with arm_freq_min, gpu_freq_min, core_freq_min, sdram_freq_min and over_voltage_min options in config.txt. You can also disable this behaviour and return to what it was working before this change was introduced to firmware with force_turbo=1 in your config.txt file. This way CPU frequency scaling will be disabled.
[13:50] <dangerarea> does anyone else get a lot of OS corruption if the Pi isn't shutdown gracefully or is it just me?
[13:50] <steve_rox> it can happen yea
[13:50] <Triffid_Hunter> dangerarea: that's to be expected and is not isolated to the rpi.. you get the same thing on your desktop if you just yank the plug instead of shutting it down
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[13:50] <steve_rox> cutting the power to the rpi can damage the file system
[13:52] <dangerarea> I can understand it but it just seems a lot more frequent
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[13:52] <Triffid_Hunter> dangerarea: if your power supply is imperfect, then the SD card will get corrupted writes. they may not show up until reboot
[13:52] <Raspiman> brb reboot
[13:53] <Triffid_Hunter> I haven't had any corruption issues on my rpi at all so far, but I've been careful to shut it down properly. it has had a few unexpected reboots but not many
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[13:54] <dangerarea> any good starting places to make the os run in RAM as per the old Soekris boxes and other embedded devices to limit CF card writes?
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[13:54] <dangerarea> I've only ever used pre-made images for things like that
[13:54] <Bushmills> the OS runs in RAM
[13:54] <Triffid_Hunter> dangerarea: sure. google results for 'initramfs' should tell you everything you need to know
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[13:55] <dangerarea> Triffid_Hunter: many thanks :)
[13:55] <Triffid_Hunter> I've had useful initramfs' be smaller than 1MB in the past.. never made for rpi though, those were for x86
[13:55] <dangerarea> I've got a very mobile solution but unfortunately it's headless and so just gets the power pulled
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[13:56] <Triffid_Hunter> dangerarea: ah well what you want for that is not initramfs, but to mount your rootfs readonly
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[13:56] <Triffid_Hunter> may take a few tweaks to stock images, stop them trying to write stuff
[13:57] <Triffid_Hunter> then have a separate partition or a usb key or something for anything you do want to write
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[13:57] <dangerarea> would just mounting / as RO be sufficient?
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[13:57] <dangerarea> I'm not fussed about storing anything, logs, etc can all go each boot
[13:57] <Triffid_Hunter> dangerarea: it won't let you, stock. lots of daemons have write handles to logs and similar on rootfs.
[13:58] <Triffid_Hunter> dangerarea: so you'll have to tweak some configs, tell things to stop logging to disk, etc
[13:58] <dangerarea> ah okay
[13:58] <Triffid_Hunter> maybe mount a tmpfs over /tmp and /var/run at boot time
[13:58] <Triffid_Hunter> dangerarea: probably a few other tweaks. then it'll let you
[13:59] <dangerarea> I'll give that a go
[13:59] <Triffid_Hunter> dangerarea: you can stick 'ro' in the kernel command line someplace and it'll mount root readonly from the beginning. then tweak the OS startup routines to leave it as is and not freak out, then you're golden
[13:59] <dangerarea> i'd looked at initramfs and gone down that route of googling but when you start going down the wrong path on google it's hard to know what to look for!
[14:00] <Triffid_Hunter> dangerarea: yeah, that's why it's better to tell us what you want to do, rather than how you think you need to do it ;)
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[14:02] <Triffid_Hunter> dangerarea: pro tip: if you make a swap partition on your SD card, then tmpfs will use it. this gives you the best of both worlds- writeable storage areas in /tmp and /var/run etc that can be written to disk if ram is needed, but no worries if it powercycles unexpectedly
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[14:02] <Danith> i made the mistake of compiling a kernel on the pi
[14:03] <nid0> whats wrong with doing that
[14:03] <Danith> about 6-7 hours :V
[14:03] <Triffid_Hunter> lots of folk will tell you that swap on flash storage is bad and they have a point, however it's only actual heavy use of that swap that's problematic
[14:03] <gordonDrogon> no need to have a swap parition these days - just use a swapfile.
[14:03] <nid0> did you make a huge kernel or something?
[14:03] <nid0> relatively stock kernels will build in about 4, tops
[14:03] <Triffid_Hunter> gordonDrogon: sure, swap file not much use on ro filesystem though ;)
[14:03] <gordonDrogon> the kernel compiles without using swap.
[14:03] <Danith> I used the makefile from the raspberrian dist and didn't really tweak it that much
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[14:03] <Danith> it didn't even boot heh
[14:04] <gordonDrogon> Triffid_Hunter, it's be interesting to check - the kernel doesn't use the filesystem once it's built up a list of blocks in the swapfile...
[14:04] <Triffid_Hunter> gordonDrogon: so it's possible to have a rw swapfile on a ro filesystem? sounds like a security hole
[14:05] <gordonDrogon> Triffid_Hunter, I don't know - it would be intersting to check.
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[14:09] <gordonDrogon> root@yakko:/# swapon /mnt/testfile
[14:09] <gordonDrogon> swapon: /mnt/testfile: swapon failed: Read-only file system
[14:10] <gordonDrogon> guess not :)
[14:10] <nid0> you would be able to do that
[14:10] <nid0> but you have to swapon with rw
[14:10] <nid0> then remount ro
[14:10] <nid0> you cant swapon to an already ro filesystem
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[14:11] <gordonDrogon> does raspbian already put /tmp/ in tmpfs anyway?
[14:11] * gordonDrogon checks... Hm. my installs don't, but mine are quite old.. not sure of a brand new one.
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[14:16] <gordonDrogon> Hm. then again, my desktop was a completely fresh install of Wheezy at the weekend and it didn't auto-put /tmp/ in tmpfs either.
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[14:29] <steveccc> if I enable remote desktop on a pi then will the desktop that is accessed be a virtual one or will it be seen on the actual pi console?
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[14:32] <FR^2> steveccc: define "remote desktop". There is the remote desktop protocol RDP, there is VNC, there are others...
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[14:33] <steveccc> i was referring to remote desktop but vnc is a possibility
[14:33] <steve_rox> i used vnc on mine before
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[14:34] <HonkeyGenius> steveccc, i am accessing my pi's desktop via vnc server right now and it is the same screen you get if you plug the pi into a monitor
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[14:34] <steve_rox> it seems to emulate the desktop in a seprate session to the one hosted on its screen but has same files etc
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[14:35] <histo> steve_rox: did you use tightvnc?
[14:35] <HonkeyGenius> i'm using tightvnc
[14:35] <steveccc> honkeygenius: that would be ok but ideally I wanted it to be virtual so that the pi console will have its own desktop and if the virtual one is accessed from the pi then the user would have to access itself via vnc
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[14:35] <steve_rox> yeah tight vnc on windows
[14:35] <steve_rox> as a client to access it
[14:35] <histo> steveccc: I believe tightvnc's default behavior is to start a new Display and share that.
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[14:36] <steveccc> histo: that would be ideal - i will set it up and test
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[14:36] <steve_rox> i use tightvnc server on my win pc for its remote keyboarding :-)
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[14:39] <steve_rox> maybe i should hook up a wire to one the gpio pins so it can become a law breaking FM radio transmitter too
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[14:46] <steveccc> whats the best irc client for the pi
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[14:47] <Dyskette> irssi is pretty popular, as is weechat
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[14:48] <steveccc> i thought there was another but cant remember its name
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[14:51] <Dyskette> There's at least one that would probably not make you very popular for mentioning in here.
[14:51] <pksato> other popular irc txt cli is BitchX. also have ircII his derivates (irsi, bitchx, etc)
[14:51] <Dyskette> (The name being '[a synonym for a female dog]X')
[14:51] <HonkeyGenius> i'm using xchat
[14:52] <HonkeyGenius> i used to use that one Dyskette
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[14:53] <Dyskette> I never did, but it at least used to advertise very blatantly in the default quit message
[14:54] <steveccc> honkeygenius: think it may have been xchat I was thinking of
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[14:54] <HonkeyGenius> it's pretty nice so far. works well.
[14:55] <steveccc> are any of you guys from the uk
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[14:55] <HonkeyGenius> not i
[14:55] <Dyskette> Aye
[14:55] <SpeedEvil> Scotland.
[14:56] <arcanescu> Salford
[14:56] <Dyskette> Well, not really. But I live here, and have done a while now.
[14:56] <Dyskette> (Sleepy midlands town down the road from Coventry)
[14:56] <arcanescu> Salford > Scotland
[14:56] <steveccc> I wanted to consider my pi as a download machine for tv programs so that I could watch them anytime. The get_iplayer app works well but I wondered if you guys had found any apps for itv, channel4 or channel 5
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[14:58] <SpeedEvil> There is a get_iplayer mailing list
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[14:59] <nid0> you can presumably do c4 using any youtube downloader
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[15:17] <steveccc> speedevil: i have just installed get_iplayer but its giving an error at the moment - I seem to remember there was two ways to get a program and the one I am using is giving an error :(
[15:19] <Dyskette> The version in debian's repos is old.
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[15:19] <Dyskette> And will probably not work as a result.
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[15:20] <davesleep> can i use another IDE to compile a kernal.img for the raspberrypi instead of eclipse
[15:20] <davesleep> on windows7
[15:20] <steve_rox> i could use another IDE HDD too
[15:21] <steve_rox> :-P
[15:21] <davesleep> i dont know how to comile it otherwise (though im not sure what im even chatting about)
[15:22] <davesleep> compile* or create a kernal.img
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[15:22] <steveccc> dyskette: i seem to remember there was 2 ways to download a program - one with --get which always used to fail and another?
[15:23] <Dyskette> steveccc: if you're using apt-get to install it, you're grabbing it from debian's repos.
[15:23] <davesleep> im starting to think that maybe i should create a supernoob rewrite of the tutorial im doing
[15:23] <Dyskette> That will mean you will be getting an old version.
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[15:24] <Dyskette> It's just a python script though, you should be able to just download it off their website or whatever and run it.
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[15:25] <steveccc> dyskette: where do you get it from - the apt-get and this website ftp://ftp.infradead.org/pub/get_iplayer/ have the same version 2.82
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[15:29] <Dyskette> Huh. 2.82 has indeed stopped working.
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[15:30] <davesleep> is there a simulator available for the raspberry pi?
[15:30] <IT_Sean> simulator?
[15:30] <davesleep> like altera quartus's modelsim
[15:30] <IT_Sean> No idea what that is, sorry.
[15:30] <davesleep> it simulates what would happen on chip
[15:31] <pksato> to emulate rpi? qemu.
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[15:31] <pksato> to emulate SoC, I dont know.
[15:31] <pksato> broadcom must have one.
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[15:32] <davesleep> ill look into it
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[15:33] <HonkeyGenius> i've used qemu to run the raspberry pi image on windows7
[15:33] <Dyskette> davesleep: if it even exists, it won't be publically available.
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[15:34] <HonkeyGenius> was a pain to get it on the network though. i never messed with a tap bridge before heh.
[15:35] <steveccc> dyskette: so it isnt working for you either?
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[15:35] <Dyskette> steveccc: nope
[15:35] <Dyskette> steveccc: though it was fairly recently, last I actually used it
[15:35] <steveccc> dyskette: i am just trying to remember what I did previously - I know if i tried to download a program one way then i get an error and another way it worked but cant remember what i did :(
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[15:37] <davesleep> looking it right now, it hink i should leavethat and just accept that ill have to use eclipse
[15:38] <davesleep> and just do it, brb
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[16:12] <SpeedEvil> steveccc: there is a get_iplayer mailing list
[16:12] <steveccc> speedevil: i will join it as it doesnt seem to be working currently - thanks
[16:13] <steve_rox> havent tryed get_iplayer in some time , last i rember it worked
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[16:14] <steveccc> steve_rox: it did for me but not now :(
[16:14] <steve_rox> maybe ill try it if i can find enough disk room
[16:15] <steve_rox> and rember the command syntax
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[16:15] <steveccc> steve_rox: well i think its the syntax which is the key - I am sure previously --get pid didnt work but just -g pid did work
[16:16] <steve_rox> ill try download the latest version of that prog called click
[16:18] <steveccc> steve_rox: no problem - let us know if it works
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[16:19] <steve_rox> attempting download
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[16:20] <steve_rox> seem to have got various failure messages
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[16:20] <linuxstb> Seems the BBC have changed their version of flash player - http://www.bbc.co.uk/emp/releases/iplayer/revisions/617463_618125_4/617463_618125_4_emp.swf
[16:20] <steve_rox> tryinh
[16:20] <steve_rox> retrying
[16:20] <steve_rox> failed to read rtmp packet header
[16:20] <linuxstb> See this thread - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2152221&page=2
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[16:21] <steve_rox> seems only aptitude or apt can update it
[16:24] <steve_rox> the fix fixed it
[16:24] <steve_rox> the whole command
[16:24] <steve_rox> get_iplayer --prefs-add --rtmp-tv-opts="--swfVfy=http://www.bbc.co.uk/emp/releases/iplayer/revisions/617463_618125_4/617463_618125_4_emp.swf"
[16:24] <steve_rox> download has started
[16:25] <citric> wow, i signed up for amazon prime, free 2 day shipping, i ordered stuff yesterday and it's out for delivery today....
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[16:26] <steve_rox> sounds expensive
[16:27] <citric> amazon prime is $80 a year :/
[16:27] <steve_rox> oh
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[16:27] <citric> comes with amazon movies and books too
[16:27] <steve_rox> oh right
[16:27] <citric> but i think the free 2 day shipping alone will pay for itself
[16:28] <steve_rox> wonder if there is a way to get the rpi to read the phone callers number on mobile or whatever
[16:28] <steve_rox> i keep getting evil calls
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[16:28] <maumushi> what? 80$?
[16:28] <citric> yes
[16:28] <maumushi> here 9.90 €
[16:28] <maumushi> euro
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[16:29] <citric> a year?
[16:29] <maumushi> yes
[16:29] <citric> somehow i don't believe you.
[16:29] <maumushi> http://www.amazon.it/gp/help/customer/display.html/ref=lp_mem_help?ie=UTF8&nodeId=200571430
[16:29] <maumushi> you have to read italian
[16:30] <steve_rox> im not good at that
[16:30] <steve_rox> get_iplayer complete
[16:30] <steve_rox> steveccc it works i think
[16:30] <maumushi> try with google translate
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[16:31] <steveccc> steve_row: just trying with the update you tried
[16:31] <steve_rox> yeah use that cmd i used
[16:31] <citric> maumushi, you only gettig the shipping benefit with Prime
[16:31] <citric> maumushi, you don't get the movies & books
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[16:32] <steveccc> steve_rox: yes mine is with that update - thanks
[16:32] <steve_rox> that get_iplayer thing could use a gui or some fancy display
[16:32] <citric> maumushi, your shipments are also 2-3 days, sometimes 3-5 days :/
[16:32] <maumushi> here only the products sold by amazon, you have 2-3 day's of free shipping and yes book or cd or dvd also
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[16:32] <Danith> what? i have prime and get some free movies and tv shows
[16:32] <citric> maumushi, no, prime for me is like having netflix, I can stream movies / tv shows
[16:32] <steve_rox> i rarely use amazon
[16:32] <citric> Danith, wasn't talking to you
[16:32] <maumushi> i have prime, i've bought a book on saturday and on monday mornig it was delivered
[16:33] <Danith> so
[16:33] <maumushi> if you want a more fast deliver, even with prime, you have to pay 3,98 eur
[16:33] <steve_rox> yuri prime mind control
[16:33] <citric> maumushi, Amazon Prime in the US mean you get free 2 day shipping + Can stream Movies / TV Shows from Amazon also can Read kindle books for free.
[16:34] <Danith> only like 1 a month :(
[16:34] <steve_rox> if only we could get some kinda cheesy subscription service on the rpi
[16:34] <maumushi> ah ok, it's different here ...
[16:34] <citric> maumushi, i would rather have your deal though, cause the movies and tv shows on amazon prime are terrible :)
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[16:35] <citric> I ordered this yesterday: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B009PJ3AZ4/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i01?ie=UTF8&psc=1
[16:35] <citric> will be here today :)
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[16:35] <maumushi> we don't have any kind streaming subscription as far as i know ... only deliver
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[16:36] <steve_rox> i dislike drm streamed movies
[16:37] <steve_rox> when ya pay for it you expect to at least have a mpg of it saved on your pc or the equivlent
[16:37] <maumushi> me too; with linux i can't use drm mp3 or movie and i only have linux pc
[16:37] <steve_rox> well with windows /ms rapidly destroying themselfs maybe the companys will have to flex a bit
[16:38] <steve_rox> skype would be nice on the rpi too
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[16:38] <steve_rox> or maybe the rpi community made its own video/text chat communication proggie
[16:38] <steve_rox> since skype is too inflexable
[16:39] <steve_rox> over 1 million rpi out there i guess they dont want the users
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[16:40] <nid0> why would they?
[16:40] <steve_rox> cos its what ppl use
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[16:41] <citric> http://www.amazon.com/FAVI-Entertainment-Wireless-Keyboard-TouchPad/dp/B003UE52ME/ref=pd_sim_e_3
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[16:45] <steveccc> steve_rox: sorry to be a pain - have you ever seen get-iplayer complain about a signed program rather than a default - unsure what flag I need to add to get it to download
[16:46] <steve_rox> your not a "pain"
[16:46] <steve_rox> one sec ill find the cmd i ued
[16:47] <steveccc> steve_rox: other programs download file but this one I am after lists the download but then on requesting it, it says no default programs are available (signed are available)
[16:47] <steve_rox> get_iplayer --get 189
[16:47] <steve_rox> ensure your root
[16:47] <steveccc> try 247
[16:48] <steve_rox> WARNING: No programmes are available for this pid with version(s): default (signed are available)
[16:48] <steve_rox> is it a incorrect index number?
[16:48] <steve_rox> sometimes i find the index numbers can be wrong
[16:49] <steveccc> yes its the signed bit - I would assume that you can add a flag to specify to download all versions
[16:49] <steveccc> if you search for driven it lists the prog
[16:49] <steve_rox> i use a cmd to save the main index to a text file
[16:49] <steve_rox> >output.txt get_iplayer
[16:49] <steve_rox> then you search down it with notepad etc
[16:49] <steve_rox> when i search for a string using iplayer get itself it sometimes returns wrong indexes
[16:50] <steve_rox> allough the index number does reconise a title hmm
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[16:51] <steve_rox> and it does match the larger index
[16:51] <steve_rox> im not sure whats happened there
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[16:51] <steve_rox> not something ive encountered before
[16:51] <steveccc> never mind
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[16:51] <steveccc> its on until wed so will have to watch it before then
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[16:52] <steve_rox> :-)
[16:52] <steve_rox> i dont even have a tv in here anymore
[16:52] <steveccc> its the only prog I can get to give that message but it looks like the only one signed - I assume its one of these late night repeats with signing
[16:52] <steve_rox> wonder what it means by signed
[16:53] <steve_rox> werid
[16:53] <steve_rox> well the rpi does seem to make some things easier
[16:53] <steve_rox> like when my friend wanted utube ripped to mp3
[16:53] <steve_rox> all the windows progs demanded money
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[16:54] <steve_rox> guess ill watch bbc click
[16:54] <steve_rox> watch them play catch up with tech
[16:54] <ozzzy> steve_rox: you can rip youtube online free
[16:55] <steve_rox> yeah its just a case of finding something that will do it without malwareing you etc
[16:55] <ozzzy> keepvid
[16:55] <steve_rox> this week bbc click is catching up with BTC
[16:55] <nid0> there are also plenty of free software tools thatll do it
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[16:55] <nid0> ytd video downloaders is a hugely popular example
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[16:58] <steve_rox> eather way it was my solution at the time :-P
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[16:59] <steve_rox> think i might go play with some acetone
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[17:15] <steveccc> steve_rox: think i have it working - you have to put --versions signed in front of --get xxx
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[17:22] <HonkeyGenius> woot. have tightvnc running on startup. now i just need to get xchat auto joining this channel.
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[17:24] <HonkeyGenius> grrr it tries to join the channel before my nick is identified. :/
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[17:27] <ozzzy> got my pi turned off just in time.... the voltage monitor showed the voltage fluctuating up over 5.3v....
[17:27] <ozzzy> replaced it with one of the adjustable lm2576 boards
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[17:27] <ozzzy> before I pulled it the old one had jumped to 5.4v
[17:28] <IT_Sean> That's a bit toasty for a raspi
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[17:28] <ozzzy> yep... it was the guts ripped out of a cheap cell charger
[17:28] <IT_Sean> 5.25v is the upper spec on a raspi.
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[17:28] <ozzzy> it's getting a nice 5.23 right now
[17:28] <ozzzy> 5.12 on the board
[17:29] <IT_Sean> that's right about ideal. :)
[17:29] <ozzzy> those LM2576 boards are great
[17:29] <HonkeyGenius> there we go. /set irc_join_delat 10 did the trick
[17:29] <ozzzy> I use them to power DSLRs etc.
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[17:32] <spylex> hello all
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[17:32] <HonkeyGenius> hiya
[17:32] <spylex> i'm wondering if anyone can help me assess whether the little project im trying to go forward with has any hope
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[17:34] <spylex> i want to replicate the functionality of this device and track button presses by sending them to a MySQL DB: http://xavier-solutions.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Heathrow-HON-device-smaller-600x399.jpg
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[17:50] <gordonDrogon> there's no "meh" button...
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[17:50] <spylex> hehe
[17:51] <spylex> i can add one!
[17:51] <spylex> but yeah i looked at this http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/projects/raspberrypi/tutorials/robot/buttons_and_switches/
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[17:51] <nid0> the cynic in me would suspect there's no neutral option to artificially make the results seem better
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[17:52] <spylex> i just wonder where i can get those buttons, can i have 3 separate ones, can i run a webserver/mysql instance on there to store the results and how easy is it to connect to wifi? :P
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[17:52] <nid0> any electronics shop, yes, yes, easy
[17:53] <zerkman> why use buttons when you can use a 105-keys keyboard
[17:53] <zerkman> appros $5
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[17:53] <nid0> well the problem with a keyboard is if you need an easy "good, medium, bad" button choice, the keyboard has 102 superfluous buttons confusing things
[17:54] <gordonDrogon> spylex, the system you want is very straighforward to do.
[17:54] <gordonDrogon> spylex, it's more or less a job of join the dots...
[17:54] <gordonDrogon> copy & paste programming..
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[17:56] <spylex> i wouldn't be asking if i could use a keyboard ;)
[17:56] <spylex> is it easy to connect to wifi if i just use raspbian?
[17:56] <spylex> thought it has no GUI?
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[17:56] <IT_Sean> raspbian? raspbian has a gui....
[17:57] <spylex> is there a #raspberrypi-n00bs? sorry..
[17:57] <spylex> heh
[17:57] <IT_Sean> spylex: you are in it
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[17:58] <HonkeyGenius> if raspian didn't have a gui i couldn't see any of this. 8)
[17:58] <spylex> the problem with being in central london is that i don't think there are any electronics shops except maplin?
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[17:58] <HonkeyGenius> i know i could do it on the command line
[17:59] <nid0> spylex: 1) yes connecting to wifi without using raspbian's gui is perfectly easy
[17:59] <nid0> 2) other than maplin, most electronics places are mainly mailorder anyway, rs and farnell being two obvious examples
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[18:02] <spylex> thanks, i will explore my options with those guys
[18:02] <spylex> i was looking to confirm things more than anything
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[18:06] <gordonDrogon> IF you want the GUI for feedback, then you probably want something really simple - you could do it with a web browser in kiosk mode, or write a full-screen SDL application in e.g. BASIC.
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[18:08] <Stavros> hello
[18:08] <Stavros> i made my raspberry pi transmit infrared signals, and now i want to make it a bit more permanent, without using the raspi for it. does anyone maybe know of a cheapish usb->ir transmitter adapter?
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[18:09] <spylex> gordonDrogon: no i just need to track it in something ludicrously simple, even a spreadsheet will do
[18:10] <gordonDrogon> spylex, in which case it's a 15-line BASIC program.
[18:10] <gordonDrogon> plus the hardware.
[18:10] <gordonDrogon> the hardware is the hardest part - making a nice box, etc.
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[18:10] <spylex> speaking of hardware, there are 3000 buttons on farnell, i just need a pushbutton (no on/off etc), but i'm not sure what I/O i need, would this work: http://uk.farnell.com/itw-switches/59-213/switch-square-green/dp/519390
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[18:15] <gazzwi86> I'm following those instruction and its just killed my Pi. Can anyone tell me what I maybe did wrong?
[18:15] <gazzwi86> http://www.cooking-hacks.com/index.php/documentation/tutorials/raspberry-pi-to-arduino-shields-connection-bridge#step4
[18:15] <gazzwi86> these*
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[18:15] <gazzwi86> I completed 4.2 before 4.1 actually. But I wouldn't have thought that should make to much difference. It died after the reboot of 4.2
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[18:18] <ozzzy> did you buffer the Pi's inputs?
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[18:42] <gazzwi86> ozzzy: how would I do that?
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[18:44] <gordonDrogon> spylex, look for arcade buttons. you need to make it robust.
[18:45] <gordonDrogon> spylex, http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/concave-button-red-p-825.html etc.
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[19:01] <spylex> gordonDrogon: thanks :)
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[19:13] <maximilianoo> You guys must know this, but in case anyone don't know: http://chameleon.enging.com/
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[19:13] <maximilianoo> Old computers and video games emulators! =D
[19:14] <maximilianoo> Just waiting my new SD card to arrive to start the tinkering
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[19:26] <steve_rox> well thats me playing with acetone complete
[19:26] <steve_rox> does seem able to take some scratches out of plastic
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[19:29] <taza> Given it removes a lot of the plastic? Sure.
[19:30] <steve_rox> yup
[19:32] <steve_rox> tryed it on a old cd case
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[19:49] <ean> good morning...
[19:49] <IT_Sean> afternoon.
[19:49] <ean> :)
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[19:50] <taza> IT_Sean: Didja catch it when I said the Ansmann Powerbank can power a Pi fine?
[19:50] <IT_Sean> I did not
[19:50] <IT_Sean> But, awesome!
[19:50] <IT_Sean> What's the runtime off a full charge?
[19:50] <taza> The cable being loose is the biggest problem.
[19:50] <taza> I dunno, to be fair. :p
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[19:51] <taza> Testing that would take a long while. I tested it for 15min, which was the required spec for the setup
[19:51] <taza> I've had a bit of trouble setting up a reliable testing environment unfortunately
[19:52] <taza> (Because constant power cuts due to the weather)
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[19:55] <IT_Sean> Where the heck do you live that the power grid is that unreliable? o_O
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[19:56] <taza> In the middle of nowhere.
[19:56] <taza> It's just the last leg
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[19:56] <taza> Ten miles away from here you can have perfectly reliable power, but here...
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[20:03] <taza> Well actually, two miles away you can have perfectly reliable power, and I suppose I could have reliable power here if I paid for the work
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[20:08] <taza> IT_Sean: However, the Ansmann powerbank? Less than perfect giving the RPi reliable power
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[20:08] <taza> Because when you plug the power back in after it was off, it causes a jump that reboots the Pi
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[20:10] <taza> This is specifically plugging the power back IN
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[20:13] <taza> I was figuring there was something iffy about that, so I did extra testing
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[20:28] <taza> IT_Sean: So, if you want a battery-powered RPi, maybe. If you want a battery to keep your RPi powered, no.
[20:28] <IT_Sean> No, i don't need a battery for my Raspi
[20:29] <taza> No, as in, for the product.
[20:29] <taza> It's not suitable for a cheap UPS for the RPi.
[20:29] <taza> Ansmann Powerbank that is.
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[20:38] <djshotglass> anyone know of industrial grade sensors (temperature/humidity)?
[20:38] <djshotglass> if they ever fail there will be a ton of money lost
[20:38] <djshotglass> so i need the best of the best
[20:39] <djshotglass> i suppose a good idea would be to put 2 of each in each area and constantly compare to make sure they both give the same reading
[20:39] <djshotglass> fire off an altert if not
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[20:39] <djshotglass> also i need a breaker so i can power on 220v fans
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[20:42] <pksato> djshotglass: that caracteristics you need to temp. sensor?
[20:42] <pksato> or specifications.
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[20:44] <djshotglass> ?
[20:44] <Armand> !
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[20:49] <Phosie> @
[20:49] <IT_Sean> ?
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[21:03] <ReggieUK> \
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[21:04] <ptl> \o/
[21:05] <SpeedEvil> ##D--->@##+
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[21:19] <poppingtonic> hi all
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[21:27] <poppingtonic> I'd like to roll an IRC server for friends, on an R-Pi. Is there an online tutorial somewhere that can show me how? It'd be my first project, which is why Im' asking here :)
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[21:27] <YellowGTO> Hello
[21:29] <shiftplusone> poppingtonic, google spits this out http://www.the-tech-tutorial.com/?p=709
[21:29] <poppingtonic> s/Im'/I'm
[21:30] <poppingtonic> thanks, shiftplusone
[21:30] * poppingtonic reads
[21:30] <shiftplusone> np, do a search for irc server tutorial, there are plenty of similar results if that doesn't work
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[21:32] <poppingtonic> I'll keep that in mind.
[21:32] <ean> hi all
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[21:49] <Wolfram74> Is there something wrong with "mirrordirector.raspbian.org"?
[21:49] <Wolfram74> because all my sudo apt-get install commands are giving me the same error messages
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[21:50] <shiftplusone> did you update first?
[21:50] <Wolfram74> gonna guess, that' sudo apt-get update?
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[21:50] <shiftplusone> Yeah
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[21:52] <Wolfram74> this did not quite seem to resolve my problems
[21:53] <Wolfram74> ah, i feel quite foolish
[21:53] <Wolfram74> i didn't have the ethernet cable plugged in
[21:53] <shiftplusone> >_<
[21:53] <Wolfram74> that would impede downloads considerably
[21:53] <shiftplusone> Yeah, I can see how that might be an issue
[21:53] <IT_Sean> Aye
[21:53] <IT_Sean> you flozzer
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[21:54] <Wolfram74> that makes everything much smoother
[21:54] <steve_rox> i see ms has revealed the price of their failed new xbox one
[21:54] <steve_rox> �429
[21:55] <steve_rox> $499
[21:55] <Wolfram74> wow, the pound has gotten weaker of late
[21:55] <Raspiman> poppingtonic: Here is a IRC server tutorial for raspberry pi: http://raspberrypihelp.net/tutorials/17-raspberry-pi-irc-server
[21:55] <Wolfram74> i remember it being closer to twice as high, not, i dunno, 20% higher/
[21:55] <steve_rox> �499
[21:56] <steve_rox> in short the price is insane and for their pollicys well forget it
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[21:57] <Wolfram74> um, wasn't the xbox 360 more or less the same price at launch as well?
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[21:57] <Wolfram74> and inflation has happened in the intervening 6~ years?
[21:57] <steve_rox> not sure
[21:57] <steve_rox> first impressions when you saw its case? mine was that it looks like a old vcr
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[21:58] <Wolfram74> oh i haven't seen any pictures of it except on yahtzee's warning to just not participate in this generation
[21:58] <Wolfram74> i'm more of a nintendo man myself
[21:58] <Wolfram74> enjoying games and what not
[21:59] <steve_rox> i was a sega guy myself ;-)
[21:59] <ParkerR> If I am going to be doing any participation, it'll be a WiiU or PS4
[21:59] <ParkerR> steve_rox: :D same
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[21:59] <steve_rox> :-D
[21:59] <Wolfram74> i had a dreamcast, all those moons ago
[21:59] <Wolfram74> should have tried to get a copy of powerstone
[21:59] <steve_rox> take look at their case design for their latest xbox
[21:59] <steve_rox> looks terrible
[21:59] <ParkerR> Genesis and gamegear for me
[21:59] <Wolfram74> that game was great
[22:00] <steve_rox> i only went as far as the sega saturn
[22:00] <steve_rox> i had most sega hardware before that time
[22:01] * ozzzy never owned a game machine
[22:01] <Wolfram74> you've got a raspberry pi, don't you?
[22:01] <Wolfram74> it's not exactly a serious working computer
[22:01] <Wolfram74> it exists to be played with
[22:01] <ParkerR> Then moved onto PS1 and PS2
[22:02] <steve_rox> the webcam/kenect + mic is allways active on this new xbox no matter what
[22:02] <Wolfram74> granted, playing with an Rpi is subtly more didactic than, say, paper boy, but still, it's play
[22:02] <ParkerR> Kinect
[22:02] * ParkerR walks away
[22:02] <ParkerR> :P
[22:02] <steve_rox> wait untill the lawmen and spys tap into that using legal blackmail
[22:02] <ParkerR> Wolfram74: Well you can put emulators on it
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[22:03] <steve_rox> apparently your xbox must be connected at all times for games to run
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[22:04] <steve_rox> accounts are locked to games so you cant resell them without penality costs etc
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[22:04] <shiftplusone> That won't prevent people from buying it
[22:04] <shiftplusone> Not the majority anyway
[22:04] <Wolfram74> wait, i thought the phone home thing was just daily, not continual?
[22:04] <steve_rox> lot of rage online
[22:04] <steve_rox> im not entirely sure on the phone home spying
[22:05] <nid0> your xbox doesnt have to be connected at all times at all
[22:05] <Wolfram74> how can you be unsure? it's a pretty awful policy
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[22:05] <nid0> it needs to connect at least once a day
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[22:07] <Wolfram74> that's weird, i wonder if this "vlc-data" is the same as the media player?
[22:07] <Wolfram74> if so, i wonder why i'm installing it while installing the Kate text editor...
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[22:09] <nid0> kate has 325 dependencies on my pi
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[22:10] <gordonDrogon> It needs "K".
[22:10] <gordonDrogon> (I guess)
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[22:10] <Wolfram74> what is "K"?
[22:10] <Armand> Not X
[22:10] * Armand ducks
[22:11] <Wolfram74> i know it's part of KDE, but besides the initials, i'm not too knowledgeable
[22:11] <nid0> yeah it basically installs the whoke kde base apps list
[22:11] <Wolfram74> wow
[22:12] <Wolfram74> i guess i should take advantage of that somehow?
[22:12] <nid0> use nano?
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[22:13] <Wolfram74> no thank you, text folding is a critical feature in my books
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[22:14] <nid0> vi then
[22:14] <jlf> nid0: you misspelled 'emacs' :p
[22:14] <nid0> that was gonna be the next choice if vi had holes picked in it :P
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[22:16] <HonkeyGenius> does anyone happen to be familiar with industrial photoelectric sensors and their wiring?
[22:16] <Armand> I'm pondering over my next domain purchase for my rPi project.. I own the .co.uk & .com, thinking if I should get the .org or .info ?
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[22:17] <Wolfram74> we'll see if i can successfully invoke kate over ssh
[22:17] <Armand> Or the .net
[22:18] <Wolfram74> if i can't, then i'll try emacs or vi, whichever can make text folding occur with the least difficulty
[22:18] <nid0> .net if its available
[22:18] <Armand> Tis
[22:19] <BurtyB> depends how much cash you have to burn :)
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[22:19] <Armand> They are all about the same money
[22:19] <nid0> they should be all exactly the same
[22:19] <Armand> I could, plausible, get one for free.
[22:19] <nid0> your registrar's conning you if they charge more for any of those three
[22:19] <BurtyB> true but when there are 100's of them you have to stop somewhere unless you're loaded/daft ;)
[22:20] <Armand> nid0: �7.79 for .org & .info. �8.99 for .net
[22:20] <IT_Sean> That's crap. Use a different registrar.
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[22:20] <nid0> go elsewhere imo
[22:20] <Armand> And then have to transfer them? :/
[22:21] <BurtyB> IT_Sean, they do have different costs at wholesale so why shouldn't they have different prices?
[22:21] <Armand> And probably have to pay for that too?
[22:21] <nid0> BurtyB: they dont
[22:21] <BurtyB> nid0, they do
[22:21] <nid0> no they dont
[22:21] <Armand> The ydo
[22:21] <steve_rox> whats a reasionable price?
[22:21] <IT_Sean> BurtyB: 'coz it's crap.
[22:21] <Armand> They do
[22:21] <IT_Sean> That's why.
[22:21] <Armand> I'd still have to transfer them..
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[22:26] <BurtyB> reminds me I need to renew before the price rises in July :/
[22:27] <Ely_arp> HonkeyGenius did you find your answer
[22:27] <HonkeyGenius> i have not
[22:27] <Wolfram74> what's the word on the street for KDE anyway?
[22:27] <shiftplusone> kde? on a pi?
[22:28] <Ely_arp> try and look for Namur switch
[22:28] <Ely_arp> or namur sensor
[22:28] <Wolfram74> do people have strong feelings about it?
[22:28] <Ely_arp> may be you can find an answer there
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[22:30] <HonkeyGenius> Ely_arp, i'll have a look. my real issue is that i have a sensor that i need to work with but am unsure as to how it needs to be wired to the pi
[22:30] <plugwash> Armand, I wouldn't bother with .info or .biz, they mostly seem to be used by spammers anyway
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[22:30] <HonkeyGenius> if at all
[22:30] <plugwash> I do try and get all of .com, .org and .net if something is important
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[22:31] <Armand> plugwash: I do have the .com & .co.uk
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[22:32] <Armand> .net seems the logical next step.. I can't see much reason for the .org, besides being a hoarder. :P
[22:32] * shiftplusone doesn't see the point of anything other than .com
[22:32] <Armand> I R UK-based.
[22:32] <steve_rox> domain squatters
[22:32] <plugwash> it's not so much the domain squatters, they are annoying but relatively harmless
[22:33] <steve_rox> think they are squatting the xboxone domain at moment
[22:33] <plugwash> it's when you register one out of com/org/net and your enemies register a different one
[22:33] <steve_rox> strangely
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[22:34] <steve_rox> so which is the best domain reg to use?
[22:34] <Armand> My employer is looking at becoming ICANN accredited, so that will be interesting.
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[22:36] <steve_rox> i have no idea what that means
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[22:38] <Wolfram74> ok, this install is taking forever
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[22:38] <Wolfram74> why are there so many "setting up ___" messages?
[22:38] <Armand> They would be a proper registrar, rather than a reseller, steve_rox
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[22:39] <steve_rox> oh right
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[22:39] <Wolfram74> I'm guessing KDE doesn't get used often on Rpies
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[22:39] <shiftplusone> Not by sane people, no.
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[22:40] <Wolfram74> reading about it it sounds likes a development environment of some kind?
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[22:40] <shiftplusone> What is?
[22:40] <nid0> no, its a UI
[22:41] <Wolfram74> so is it just that it's so over large that KDE never gets used? or is just bad?
[22:41] <nid0> its just very bulky on a pi, its designed for desktops
[22:41] <Armand> Personally, I like KDE.. but, yeah.. it's a bit much for only around 512MB RAM
[22:41] <Wolfram74> i'm starting to see that
[22:42] <shiftplusone> KDE? It's a bloated desktop environment.
[22:42] <Wolfram74> sooo, how can i abort this?
[22:42] <shiftplusone> don't
[22:42] <nid0> you installed kde and want it gone?
[22:42] <shiftplusone> He's installing it an wants to cancel
[22:42] <Wolfram74> correction, i am still installing KDE
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[22:43] <nid0> let it finish
[22:43] <nid0> then remove it
[22:43] <Wolfram74> have been for about an hour now
[22:43] <shiftplusone> lol
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[22:43] <Wolfram74> would removing it be just "sudo apt-get remove KDE "?
[22:44] <nid0> kde-runtime
[22:44] <shiftplusone> remove whatever meta-package you installed
[22:44] <shiftplusone> then you should be able to tell apt to auto-remove everything else
[22:44] <Wolfram74> i installed kate, the text editor
[22:44] <nid0> he installed kate
[22:44] <shiftplusone> ah, then remove kate and autoremove everything else afterwards
[22:45] <steve_rox> installed kate? :-P
[22:45] <Wolfram74> ok
[22:45] <steve_rox> haha
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[22:45] <steve_rox> i wont elaborate on that
[22:45] <steve_rox> damn im tired
[22:45] <Wolfram74> i've found kate to be fairly useful. comprehensible modifications, has the features I know i want/use
[22:46] <nid0> notepad++ imho
[22:46] <shiftplusone> Which features are those?
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[22:46] <Wolfram74> I know that vi/emacs is what "the big kids" use, but getting anything besides basic text editing is so recondite i may as well use nano
[22:46] <Wolfram74> text folding, syntax highlighting
[22:46] <shiftplusone> Wolfram74, try geany
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[22:46] <steve_rox> i too use nano
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[22:47] <Wolfram74> but i can't tell if nano has text folding, if I can't get that then i'm going to end up just writing everything in text wrangler on my macbook
[22:47] <nid0> nano doesnt
[22:47] <shiftplusone> nano is only good for editing config files really
[22:48] <Wolfram74> yeah, so imagine if someone felt that vi, emacs and nano were indistinguishable from each other
[22:48] * JakeSays yawns
[22:48] <shiftplusone> I think geany is what you're after really
[22:48] <Wolfram74> I know it's not /true/, but I can't get the bloody things to work in any interesting manner
[22:49] <shiftplusone> Wait, didn't you say you want to use it over ssh? O_o
[22:49] <nid0> well nano isnt interesting, by design
[22:49] <JakeSays> Wolfram74: hey i'm a very big kid, and i dont use vi/emacs
[22:49] <nid0> its just simplistic
[22:49] <nid0> which is why its useful
[22:49] <Wolfram74> let me guess, Kate wouldn't have worked over an ssh terminal anyway?
[22:49] <JakeSays> nid0: yeah just wish they used ^w for write and ^f for find
[22:50] <nid0> Wolfram74: not over plain ssh no, its a UI editor
[22:50] <nid0> thats why you're getting the whole of KDE with it
[22:50] <JakeSays> Wolfram74: it'd work if you were tunneling X over ssh
[22:50] <Wolfram74> i could have gone to the bike store and gotten those new break pads by now...
[22:51] <Wolfram74> geany, will that work of ssh?
[22:51] <JakeSays> nid0: i prefer programmers notepad 2 over notepad++
[22:52] <ShorTie> yup, notepad2 is preaty nice
[22:52] <Wolfram74> ugh, if this removal process is going to take an hour, i'm just going to go get my bike's new break pads so I cans top using my feet to slow down
[22:53] <JakeSays> they're both scintilla based, i just like pn2's features better
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[22:53] <JakeSays> bah brakepads are for wimps
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[22:54] <ShorTie> lol
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[22:56] <JakeSays> LOL wolfram74wimp nice
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[23:10] <ptl> is there any way to use adafruit's IDE without getting on the internet?
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[23:15] <shiftplusone> ptl, yeah, you can run it offline locally
[23:15] <shiftplusone> https://github.com/adafruit/Adafruit-WebIDE
[23:16] <shiftplusone> (Haven't used it myself, but I am guessing that's how it works)
[23:17] <shiftplusone> "curl https://raw.github.com/adafruit/Adafruit-WebIDE/alpha/scripts/install.sh | sudo sh -s - --offline" I am guessing
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[23:39] <ptl> shiftplusone: hmmm, it had to be installed with offline flag?
[23:40] <ptl> shiftplusone: it is coupled with some remote storage service that I had to sign up to
[23:40] <shiftplusone> No clue, I don't use such things myself, but that's what that page seems to imply.
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[23:45] <ptl> shiftplusone: what do you use? raw C? C with wiringPi? Python?
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[23:47] <shiftplusone> Not currently doing anything like that, but I would go for C with wiringPi if I was. If I didn't care about performance and just wanted to get it done quickly, python.
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[23:49] <djshotglass> dudes really need a source for the best sensors out there
[23:49] <djshotglass> temperature/humidity
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