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IRC Log for 2013-06-12

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[0:00] <undecim> Encrypt: Well the point is that I need to spend $3 more on Amazon to save $6 on shipping
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[0:01] <Encrypt> Ok...
[0:02] <undecim> Though looks like I might as well just get a cheap enclosure... But that's more than $6... Now I see where Amazon makes their money
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[0:08] <ozzzy> anyone here use wicd
[0:09] <undecim> I used to
[0:09] <wolfram74> query, are the ip addresses in the 10.~.~.~ block exclusively lag addresses?
[0:09] <ozzzy> scenario is that it connects fine on boot.... if I use the wicd manager thing to change networks (which hasn't worked yet) then try to reconnect to the original.... gives 'bad password'
[0:09] <ozzzy> I have to reboot to reconnect
[0:10] <undecim> ozzzy: Does restarting wicd work?
[0:10] <mgottschlag> wolfram74: s/lag/lan/?
[0:11] <wolfram74> *lan addresses
[0:11] <wolfram74> yes
[0:11] <mgottschlag> 10.* is reserved for private networks, yes
[0:11] <wolfram74> arch, can't figure this out
[0:11] <mgottschlag> so, you won't find such addresses on the internet
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[0:11] <mgottschlag> although 10.* is more common for very large networks, not your average home LAN
[0:11] <Bushmills> some mobile providers use address from that block for their customers.
[0:12] <Bushmills> but strictly speaking, it's still a LAN then
[0:12] <wolfram74> i know my own IP address
[0:12] <wolfram74> and I think i'm port forwarding correctly
[0:12] <wolfram74> but i still can't connect to this murmur server despite being able to see it over LAN
[0:12] <wolfram74> so i know it's up
[0:12] <ozzzy> undecim now I haven't tried that
[0:12] <wolfram74> i just can get to it through the internet
[0:13] <ozzzy> next time I'm messing about I'll give it a shot... tks
[0:13] <mgottschlag> this could be a firewall, or you could have messed up port/ip settings, I don't think there are more sources for problems
[0:13] <undecim> ozzzy: If restarting wicd works, then it's a problem with wicd interfacing with the drivers/card
[0:13] <undecim> ozzzy: Try choosing a different driver
[0:13] <ozzzy> k
[0:13] <wolfram74> how would i check firewall settings?
[0:13] <ozzzy> I think there's only one for this dongle
[0:14] <wolfram74> would those be rooted in the Pi, or on the wireless router/ethernet router?
[0:14] <undecim> ozzzy: If wicd doesn't work, its a hardware/driver issue, and the only other non-reboot option would be reloading the modules for your wifi card
[0:14] <mgottschlag> I don't even think that debian has a firewall per default, so you would know if you had one
[0:14] <mgottschlag> on the pi
[0:14] <mgottschlag> port forwarding on the router is specifically there to *prevent* the router firewall from blocking your connection
[0:14] <wolfram74> k
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[0:16] <wolfram74> wish I could check whether or not i've set up port forwarding correctly...
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[0:16] <Bushmills> run tcpdump on you pi, send packets from outside to router on the forwarded port
[0:17] <Bushmills> see whether pi sees them
[0:17] <SpeedEvil> gordonDrogon: No, that's with the AC off. With AC on, it's more like 50 hours.
[0:17] <SpeedEvil> gordonDrogon: Direct 24-5 converter
[0:17] <gordonDrogon> SpeedEvil, sounds good.
[0:17] <wolfram74> so, "run tcpdump" and then...?
[0:18] <wolfram74> because tcpdump is a command not found for me
[0:18] <Bushmills> depending on the OS you have installed on your pi, you can actually add things, by installing them
[0:18] <gordonDrogon> sudo apt-get install tcpdump
[0:19] <wolfram74> how would i send things via that port?
[0:19] <Bushmills> *to* that port
[0:19] <wolfram74> err, yes
[0:20] <wolfram74> would i need a computer not being serviced by that router?
[0:20] <Bushmills> using an appropriate client, or telnet, or nc, or ...
[0:20] <Bushmills> even a web browser can be told what port to send a request to
[0:20] <Bushmills> most of those assume tcp as protocol
[0:21] <wolfram74> tcpdump is giving me "no suitable device found"
[0:22] <wolfram74> ah, sudo it
[0:22] <Bushmills> tcpdump knows command line parameters, to tell it what to listen to
[0:22] <gordonDrogon> tcpdump -n -i eth0
[0:22] <gordonDrogon> ^sudo
[0:22] <Bushmills> foonspeeder
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[0:23] <gordonDrogon> tshark is a more modern tcpdump though, but I still like tcpdump...
[0:23] <wolfram74> hrmm, that seems exorbitantly verbose
[0:23] <wolfram74> need to look up manuals or some such
[0:23] <Bushmills> probably
[0:23] <Bushmills> limit its scope to what you actually want to see
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[0:23] <gordonDrogon> if you're ssh'd in on eth0 then you might want to run: tcpdump -n -i eth0 not port 22
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[0:24] <gordonDrogon> otherewise you'll get swamped with your own ssh traffic..
[0:24] <wolfram74> i've tried "sudo tcpdump -n -i eth0 dst port 64738 "
[0:24] <wolfram74> i'm not sure what the -n, -i or dst flags do
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[0:25] <gordonDrogon> -n - no dns, -i eth0 - select interface dst - match destination
[0:25] <gordonDrogon> man tcpdump
[0:25] <gordonDrogon> will give you the fine manual.
[0:25] <wolfram74> i'm on the tcpdump.org page now
[0:26] <wolfram74> 22:24:17.243717 IP 10.0.0.2.64269 > 10.0.0.101.64738: UDP, length 108
[0:26] <wolfram74> just get that over and over again
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[0:26] <wolfram74> with a slowly changing time stamp
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[0:26] <wolfram74> and by slowly i mean several dozens of times a second
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[0:30] <gordonDrogon> so what are you running to generate that>
[0:30] <ozzzy> for some insane reason the pi has decided to nicely switch networks and the $14 chinese n router is letting it talk to the laptop....
[0:30] <wolfram74> sudo tcpdump -n -i eth0 dst port 64738
[0:30] <wolfram74> adding in a -t removes the time stamp, but it still produces them very quickly
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[0:57] <wolfram74> So i've verified that port forwarding hasn't worked
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[1:13] <jaha> anyone know a well semi maintained node.js library for raspberry pi?
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[1:20] <jaha> i should specify.. a GPIO lib
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[1:23] <ozzzy> http://www.togastro.com/ozzzy/images/tiny_router.jpg
[1:23] <ozzzy> that's a tiny chinese 802.11n wirless thingy connecting my laptop and pi
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[2:02] <neataroni> does anyone know anything about small linear actuators? i want one that is really fast, like it travels a quarter inch in less than a hundreth of a second
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[2:10] <Danith> whats the 5v on the gpio pins for?
[2:10] <Danith> powering the pi?
[2:10] <malcom2073> You can power the PI by this, yes.
[2:10] <malcom2073> It can also power your addon board
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[2:15] <Danith> should i put a resistor between grnd and the - rail on a breadboard?
[2:16] <ozzzy> huh?
[2:16] <pksato> - rail?
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[2:16] <Danith> uhh,, nm then
[2:16] <pksato> on a symetric power source?
[2:17] <Danith> project board
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[2:17] <Danith> i dont know
[2:17] <Danith> im stupid
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[2:17] <Schonert> how do i point my ip from www.myip.dk to my raspberry? atm it points to my macbook
[2:17] <pksato> all gnd ou common power lines are interconected.
[2:18] <pksato> if you use a psu for rpi and other to you borad, both gnd are conected. except if have some kind of isolator.
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[2:27] <Danith> welp lets see if things explode
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[2:27] <Danith> whats the command to activate the gpio pin again, export (pin #) > /proc/?
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[2:31] <Danith> echo 25 > /sys/class/gpio/export
[2:31] <Danith> ahh
[2:31] <Danith> always forget
[2:33] <Danith> ahh.. 3v isn't active unless 1 gpio is
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[2:33] <Danith> my experiment didn't work :<
[2:34] <Danith> I wanted to make a buzzer buzz
[2:35] <Danith> how do I use the 5v to power the buzzer and use the gpio to control it without blowing things up
[2:35] <Danith> a resister between the gpio and the buzzer?
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[2:36] <ozzzy> Danith: use a transistor
[2:37] <ShorTie> the 5 volts on the gpio header most likely will not supply the current need to buzz a buzzer
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[2:38] <Danith> it's a buzzer from a motherboard
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[2:38] <Danith> you think those are 12v?
[2:38] <Danith> I have no ideal
[2:38] <malcom2073> He said current, not voltage, but that too.
[2:38] <Danith> o sorry
[2:38] <malcom2073> Either or could be an issue
[2:39] <Danith> any ideals why it doesn't seem to be using the gnd?
[2:39] <ozzzy> so you hook the buzzer up to 5V.... then to the collector of a transistor... the emitter goes to ground... the base connects to your gpio through a suitable resistor
[2:40] <pksato> Danith: get some basic eletronic text before you blow up RPi, and you house.
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[2:41] <ShorTie> might help to start with an led instead of a buzzer
[2:41] <pksato> and start reading http://www.themagpi.com/
[2:42] <pksato> get a 3v batrery (coin tipe, or 2 AA or AAA), and try to power the buzzer.
[2:42] <Danith> it seems the gnd pin isn't active at all
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[2:44] <pksato> probable, you RPi now are damanged.
[2:44] <ShorTie> never heard of a grd pin not be activaed
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[2:44] <Danith> ohh I see what I was doing
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[2:44] <Danith> weird
[2:45] <Danith> I had the gpio set to out, and I guess that was powering the LED I have between 3v and the + rail
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[2:46] <ShorTie> you need a resister in there
[2:46] <Danith> I have one
[2:46] <ShorTie> okie dokie
[2:47] <ozzzy> between 3v and +???
[2:47] <ozzzy> should be gpio -> resistor -> led -> ground
[2:48] <pksato> last night I fly two power transistor and on IC. allways check that you doing.
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[2:50] <Danith> when I use that mode on a multimeter that tests for connection, shouldn't it still beep with a resistor?
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[2:51] <malcom2073> Likely not, depending on the size.
[2:51] <Danith> nm
[2:51] <Danith> 3.3v isn't on
[2:51] <Danith> how do I turn on the 3.3v pin?
[2:52] <ozzzy> it's always on
[2:52] <ozzzy> test from that pin to ground
[2:52] <ozzzy> don't short anything
[2:52] <pksato> http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/electronics-basics-measures-of-resistance.html
[2:52] <Danith> i did, nothing
[2:52] <ozzzy> if your pi still works then you're not doing it right
[2:52] <Danith> unless the LED I put in between is broke
[2:52] <Danith> lemme see :|
[2:52] <ozzzy> why did you put an led in?
[2:53] <Danith> to see
[2:55] <pksato> more complete https://learn.sparkfun.com/tutorials/how-to-use-a-multimeter
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[2:55] <malcom2073> Danith: If you put an LED without a resistor inbetween 3.3v and ground, it will break things.
[2:55] <ShorTie> wiringpi.com has some nice things that might help you Danith too...
[2:56] <Danith> what kind of things?
[2:56] <Danith> will break?
[2:56] <malcom2073> Danith: undefined. Many things could break
[2:56] <Danith> o dear
[2:57] <ShorTie> little wires you can't fix easily
[2:57] <Danith> i think i broke something
[2:57] <hyperair> hmm, the pi doesn't do any current limiting?
[2:57] <Danith> I connected the buzzer and I think the pi reset
[2:58] <ShorTie> gpio header is unprotected
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[2:58] <Danith> ya, I'm betting because it took all the current?
[2:58] <hyperair> interesting.
[2:58] <malcom2073> Danith: you likely browned out the power supply. The buzzer was probably trying to pull too much current.
[2:58] <Danith> ok :)
[2:58] <pksato> Danith: that kind of buzzer?
[2:59] <Danith> one of those buzzers that come with some motherboards to put on the speaker header
[2:59] <pksato> ohh
[2:59] <Danith> it did make a click when I connected it :v
[3:00] <pksato> its is not a buzzer, only a little speaker.
[3:00] <Danith> really? I thought they moved to a buzzer :o
[3:00] <ShorTie> nop
[3:00] <Danith> well
[3:00] <hydroxygen> ohm it up
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[3:01] <Danith> what do you mean :(
[3:01] <pksato> this speaker have a low impendance (8 ohms) can damange RPi.
[3:02] <pksato> if connect to 3.3V
[3:02] <hydroxygen> if its a speaker, its is like 8ohms..simular to a short..not good to be jumping around on the pins
[3:02] <hydroxygen> it is not like a piezo buzzer
[3:03] <Danith> this one says 14.6ohms
[3:03] <hydroxygen> if it 'ticked' then its probably a speaker
[3:03] <Danith> but ya, Im done with playing with it I guess
[3:03] <Danith> ya, it ticked
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[3:03] <Danith> maybe I'll stop by radioshack sometime and get random things
[3:04] <hydroxygen> a 1.5v aa or aaa battery will result in same tick
[3:04] <mgottschlag> Danith: a single transistor would do the trick
[3:04] * hydroxygen wants a piface
[3:04] <Danith> I have a bag of stuff from the kit, maybe theres one in there
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[3:06] <Danith> so if 3.3v can damage the pi, I should have a resister between like everything connected to the pi shouldn't i
[3:06] <mgottschlag> there are two things which can kill the pi
[3:06] <mgottschlag> 1) too high voltage at *any* GPIO pin (> 3.3V)
[3:06] <ShorTie> nop, depends on what your doing
[3:06] <mgottschlag> 2) too large current at GPIO pins which lead directly into the CPU (the limit is 15mA I think)
[3:07] <Danith> can the current be too large if it's just being powered by the usb of another computer?
[3:07] <mgottschlag> so if you put your buzzer directly to one of these lines, chances are good that it kills the CPU. If you use a 3.3V power pin, nothing should happen except when you blow the input fuse
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[3:08] <ShorTie> and static electricity cover both of those
[3:08] <mgottschlag> Danith: your power supply doesn't have to do anything with this
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[3:09] <mgottschlag> well, except when it is <1A and might not be enough for pi + buzzer, which is the case for most computer usb ports (500mA)
[3:10] <Danith> and the fact that i guess it's not really a buzzer :p
[3:10] <mgottschlag> hm? what is it? normal speaker?
[3:10] <Danith> small speaker
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[3:10] <mgottschlag> Danith: http://www.susa.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Relay-Sample.png <- this is kind of what you want, just without the relay
[3:10] <Danith> the layout does look like a buzzer type though
[3:10] <ShorTie> you most likely blow the speaker hooking it up directly to 3 volts
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[3:11] <mgottschlag> hm, indeed
[3:11] <ShorTie> the tick of death
[3:11] <ShorTie> lol
[3:11] <Danith> naa, it still clicks :p
[3:11] <mgottschlag> well, 200mA through the speaker should be ok though
[3:11] <Danith> I was going to see what 9v did but eh
[3:11] <mgottschlag> eh, 300mA
[3:11] <pksato> but. to make buzz noise, need to send a square wave.
[3:12] <mgottschlag> or whatever 3.3V / 14 is
[3:12] <ShorTie> no number on it you could google to see what your playing withn??
[3:12] <Danith> my head is exploded
[3:13] <Danith> nope, just a (+) on the top where the hole is
[3:13] <hydroxygen> http://blog.mcmelectronics.com/post/Getting-Started-with-PiFace-Digital
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[3:13] <mgottschlag> if in doubt, just add a small resistor
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[3:17] <Danith> that piface digital looks interesting
[3:17] <pksato> Danith: buzzer like yours https://www.sparkfun.com/products/7950
[3:18] <pksato> datasheet http://www.sparkfun.com/datasheets/Components/CEM-1203.pdf
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[3:18] <pksato> page 3 show how to connect a uC.
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[3:20] <Danith> blurry eyes really sucks
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[3:22] <hydroxygen> over 50 , could be cataracts
[3:23] <Danith> no, it's from lasik :|
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[3:23] <Danith> going to talk to dr tomorrow I think cause it seems to be worse more then better the last couple weeks
[3:23] <hydroxygen> aha ..i have multi-focal implants
[3:24] <hydroxygen> one eye was 'bedsheeted'
[3:25] <Danith> no ideal what that is but it sounds bad :(
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[3:27] <hydroxygen> ask the doctor when u see him..
[3:27] <mgottschlag> hm, I think such expansion boards like the piface are usually totally overpriced for what the average person actually does with them
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[3:28] <hydroxygen> mgottschlag: ive seen the piface from 40 to 65us ..depends on who sells it..mcm give some to the foundation on each sale
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[3:30] <hydroxygen> the piface is a safe way to run things on the pi ..motors/switches/relays...
[3:30] <mgottschlag> yeah, it certainly makes sense for people who don't know anything about electronics
[3:30] <hydroxygen> buffered to the pi
[3:31] <mgottschlag> s/anything/not much/
[3:31] * ozzzy just ordered a bagful of cd4050s
[3:31] <hydroxygen> if you know alot about electronics..a person would use a piface
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[3:32] <hydroxygen> imagine a couple max232;s would do about the same
[3:32] <Danith> raspberry pi sex bot
[3:33] <mgottschlag> idk, all I did so far didn't involve more than some protoboard, female header and a uC
[3:33] <mgottschlag> but then I never had the need for relays yet
[3:34] <ozzzy> max232s are expensive
[3:35] <ozzzy> cd4050s aren't LOL
[3:35] <hydroxygen> ozzzy: i sold tubes of max232;s for $20 /tube of 20
[3:35] * hydroxygen gave them away
[3:36] <ozzzy> wow...where was I
[3:36] <ozzzy> LOL
[3:36] <hydroxygen> ayuh.
[3:38] <mgottschlag> anyways, almost 4am, gn8 :)
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[4:11] <DrkCodeman> so what is the big deal with creating a cluster server out of rasperrypi's other than the cool factor? if you are thinking about using it for such things as compiling code or calculations you can achieve much higher by using cuda enabled technology
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[4:13] <ParkerR> Hmm, dug out an old Extigy external sound card. Could use with the Pi. Has it's own power supply
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[4:14] <jvboy> the heatsink is important to the raspberry's integrity? i bought one in a case and it doesn't have a heatsink... don't know if it represents a problem
[4:16] <shiftplusone> jvboy, no, heat sinks are only there to get money from the gullible.
[4:16] <ricksl> It really isn't as far as I can tell, I overclock it high and never use one.
[4:16] <shiftplusone> not only are they not needed, they don't do anything either.
[4:17] <ricksl> its all plastic, very poor heat transfer
[4:17] <jvboy> thank you :)
[4:17] <shiftplusone> PoP construction being the main reason
[4:17] <ricksl> oh right, wouldn't even make contact to the processor
[4:18] <ricksl> forgot all about that.
[4:18] <shiftplusone> Yeah, it would be through the ram chip
[4:19] <jvboy> there's no need then?
[4:20] <jvboy> the rasppi's case is slightly hotter than the room temperature
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[4:20] <ricksl> the hottest part on the pi ends up being the voltage regulator
[4:20] <ricksl> and if you really want to get rid of that there is a way to replace it with a more efficient switch mode regulator
[4:21] <jvboy> thats ok
[4:21] <jvboy> thank you
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[4:31] <shiftplusone> I would've guessed that the ethernet/usb chip would be the hotest
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[4:42] <ParkerR> ricksl: Heh I've felt the USB/ethernet get waay hotter then the voltage reg
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[4:44] <ricksl> You guys might be right, but which is easier to replace?
[4:45] <Scriven> Ok, can anyone point me to what I should install for a full, modern build environment? I've got wiringPI downloaded using gordonDrogon's git instructions, but the build script failed for missing gcc.
[4:45] <Scriven> is 'build-essential' all I need, or should I add autoconf, automake1.9, ... ?
[4:45] <ParkerR> build-essential
[4:45] <ParkerR> autoconf
[4:45] <ParkerR> automake
[4:45] <ParkerR> pkg-config
[4:46] <ParkerR> Should take you far
[4:46] <Scriven> tyvm ParkerR.
[4:47] <Scriven> Do I need to worry about specific autoconf/automake versions? specifically I'm being suggested autoconf2.13 and automake1.9 in addition to your suggestions.
[4:47] <ParkerR> Naah shouldnt have to
[4:47] <Scriven> cool, tyvm.
[4:47] <Scriven> And away the little beast goes. I want my blinky led back darnit! ;)
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[4:48] <Scriven> next I should setup distributed compilation, including cross-compilation, with distcc and ccache. ;)
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[4:50] <Scriven> also added debian-keyring and libtool to that list, in case anyone else is following along.
[4:50] <jvboy> why the time in my rasppi is always wrong? i already setted the correct timezone in raspi-config
[4:50] <jvboy> pi@raspberrypi ~/workspace/homespace/instagram-follower $ date
[4:50] <jvboy> Wed Jun 12 05:50:10 GMT-3 2013
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[4:51] <Scriven> is it just a little-bit wrong, or is it wrong by a time-zone or something?
[4:51] <jvboy> current time in GMT-3: Jun 11 23:50
[4:51] <jvboy> timezone (6 hours difference)
[4:51] <jvboy> but the timezone is correct
[4:51] <ParkerR> sudo dpkg-reconfigure tzdata
[4:51] <ParkerR> Then delect reion and area
[4:51] <ParkerR> Then reboot
[4:52] <ParkerR> *select
[4:52] <ParkerR> *region
[4:53] <jvboy> can't reboot right now, i'm going to try later
[4:53] <jvboy> thank you
[4:53] <Scriven> can't reboot, I hate it when that happens. ;)
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[4:55] <ricksl> oh time is never right on the pi unless you have a real time clock installed
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[4:56] <ricksl> or you are connected to the network and it can fetch time from a netwrok time server
[4:56] <ParkerR> ricksl: ... as long as ntpdate runs at boot then itll be right
[4:56] <ParkerR> Yeah
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[4:59] <Scriven> It's ALIVE!
[4:59] <Scriven> blinky leds, how I love thee.
[4:59] <daveZzZ> :[
[4:59] <daveZzZ> i want blinky LEDs
[4:59] <ParkerR> Scriven: :D
[5:00] <daveZzZ> i have to install like ten things to compile an img for the pi on windows
[5:00] <ParkerR> To compile an image?
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[5:00] <daveZzZ> what a kernel, i dont even know what it's called
[5:00] <daveZzZ> make* =what
[5:01] <Scriven> daveZzZ, Yeah, i'm not sure the state of rpi emulation... but good luck! ;)
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[5:01] <nerdboy> mkimage?
[5:01] <Scriven> ParkerR, I know, it's the little things. ;)
[5:01] <daveZzZ> i just want a program for windows where i just put my file in and it goes, yup, ill compile that
[5:01] <daveZzZ> damn me for my ignorance.
[5:02] <daveZzZ> anyways, i keep getting sidetracked, in abit
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[5:02] <ParkerR> daveZzZ: Compile or writing the image to an SD card?
[5:03] <ParkerR> Those are not the same things
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[5:38] <Scriven> MUAHAHAHA, alternating blinkies! Blue and Amber! ;)
[5:41] <Scriven> with my blinky leds I will rule the world! MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
[5:42] <ParkerR> Scriven: Small steps. Rule the ligting in your house first
[5:42] <ParkerR> The the world
[5:42] <ParkerR> *Then
[5:42] <ParkerR> *lighting
[5:42] <Scriven> ;)
[5:43] <Scriven> 1) blink LED, 2) ???, 3) Rule The World || Profit
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[6:25] <Etheretic> 'lo :)
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[6:48] <joako> Is there any ready to go toolchain to compile for Raspbian Wheezy from Debian Wheezy?
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[7:28] <gtroy> anybody offer recommendations for automation ideas with the rpi?
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[7:38] <joako> gtroy, Bootable ISO that lets you compile for rpi from x86 PC.
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[7:41] <gtroy> interesting
[7:42] <gtroy> does virtualbox support arm?
[7:42] <joako> I don´t think it does
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[7:43] <gtroy> but qemu does
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[8:20] <BoomerET> I want to try hooking up a small screen, anyone tried gameboy color screen, maybe gameboy advance?
[8:21] <BoomerET> Hmm, I have a NDS that got dropped in the sink too.
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[8:46] <markedathome> hi folks, can anyone point me at a guide for reframing a display on a pal tv, both at console and x-windows. I'm having a bit of a job trying to get omxplayer/ mplayer adequately displayed without using overscan modifications
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[9:03] <SwK> anyone know of a good SPI sound chip with both input and output at 16 or 20 bit resolution on the ADC and DACs?
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[10:09] <gordonDrogon> SwK, biggest issue there is going to be the Pi's latency on SPI accesses - you might get just over 8K samples/sec if lucky.
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[10:27] <zerkman> what's the maximum size for openGL ES 2.0 fragment shaders on the Pi ?
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[10:33] <Zitter> hi, do you think it is possible to use this http://www.adafruit.com/products/751 with Raspberry PI?
[10:35] <histo> Zitter: if it's just a serial interface I suppose so.
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[10:42] <Zitter> yes, but library? Do you think I can use same used for arduino?
[10:43] <Jck_true> Zitter: Yhere's a small problem through - The Raspbeery pins runs default at 115200 baud
[10:45] <Jck_true> Need to build a new kernel to run it at 56700
[10:46] <Zitter> ok thanks
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[10:48] <Jck_true> Zitter: http://fw.hardijzer.nl/?p=138
[10:51] <histo> Jck_true: could he go usb to serial
[10:53] <Jck_true> Of course - There would be alot easier - :)
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[10:54] <histo> Zitter: ^^^^^^^^
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[11:00] <histo> What kind of output amperage can you pull over GPIO 5V or usb on the pi?
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[11:01] <gordonDrogon> milliamperage more like.
[11:01] <gordonDrogon> stick to under 200mA and you'll be fine - unless you're also powering USB peripherals.
[11:02] <gordonDrogon> Jck_true, the Pi serial port can be configured to run at any baud rate without recompiling the kernel.
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[12:57] <psiklops> Hi. I would like to put the Noobs zip on 8GB SanDisc. I have no Windows to do the copy to Disk. How would i go about in Linux?
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[12:58] <psiklops> so far i have use gparted to make the drive fat32
[12:59] <psiklops> where i get stuck is how to copy the information to the drive
[12:59] <psiklops> since the zip contains so many files an no single image
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[13:00] <gordonDrogon> what do the instructions say?
[13:01] <psiklops> gordonDrogon, only have to copy the unziped files to the card and plug it in
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[13:03] <psiklops> gordonDrogon, thats it?
[13:03] <psiklops> thats simple :-)
[13:03] <psiklops> gordonDrogon, thanx
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[13:04] <gordonDrogon> I guess it's aimed at windows users then.
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[13:05] <gordonDrogon> I thought the idea of noobs was just to make it easy to do a single install of a number of systems?
[13:06] <ozzzy> that was my take on it
[13:07] <gordonDrogon> just re-read - you can return to the noobs menu and then install another OS, or re-install the current one - on-top if it.
[13:07] <gordonDrogon> so it sits on a FAT partition on the SD card and does what it needs to do with the rest of it.
[13:07] <ozzzy> not being an OS hopper... I didn't pay much attention to it
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[13:08] <gordonDrogon> I glanced at it initially, then moved on - I've only ever run debian (early days) or Raspbian (early days until now)
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[13:09] <ozzzy> raspbian is close enough to the 'buntu that I run on the desktop that it made sense
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[13:10] <dreamreal> gordonDrogon: ever try pidora?
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[13:18] <gordonDrogon> no
[13:18] <gordonDrogon> I've been using Debian myself for ~18 years now.
[13:18] <ozzzy> I was on Mandrake/Mandriva until they decided that desktop users were scum
[13:18] <ozzzy> lol
[13:18] <gordonDrogon> someone (you?) was trying to get me interested in the RH systems recently though...
[13:19] <gordonDrogon> I've just not had the time or inclanation recently to look at the various RH type offerings.
[13:19] <dreamreal> gordonDrogon: *nod* probably me, yeah
[13:19] <gordonDrogon> :)
[13:19] <ozzzy> so far 'buntu is treating me well.... asks for a bit to many reboots though I think
[13:19] <dreamreal> I have no idea yet how pidora ranks among RH OSes - RHEL is as stable as they come, fedora less so :)
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[13:31] <gordonDrogon> too many things to do..
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[14:01] <histo> ozzzy: you should only have to reboot on kernel updates
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[14:03] <ozzzy> 'should' is the word
[14:03] <ozzzy> I think they want a reboot for glibc updates etc...
[14:03] <ozzzy> seems there are a lot of them
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[14:14] <FR^2> http://www.holmea.demon.co.uk/GPS/Main.htm -- cool thing :)
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[14:20] <histo> ozzzy: well yes glibc updates are quite involved
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[14:37] <steveccc> whats the best vnc client for the pi
[14:38] <histo> steveccc: apt-cache search vnc
[14:39] <steveccc> histo: doesnt that just give me a list? i wondered which works the best ie looking for recommendations
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[14:41] <histo> xtightvncviewer
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[14:48] <steveccc> histo: thanks
[14:50] <nowords> anyone had any success fixing usb otg reset issues when using high speed? i feel like i've exhausted google now
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[14:55] <steveccc> nowords: i had probs but mine was just not enough power
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[14:57] <nowords> i've seen quite a few mentions of that, but it's a powered hdd which is giving me problems
[14:58] <nowords> well, i dont know if problems really, but dmesg shows its resetting once or twice a minute when tranferring files etc
[14:58] <Brandano> I have just got a model B board, and got raspbian running fine with the NOOBS installer. But apparently the ethernet interface doesn't want to acquire an IP address via DHCP. I see no errors or dropped packets, though. Any known pitfalls I should look for?
[14:59] <Brandano> forum posts I found seem to hint at hardwaren issues with some boards, but they mention a large count of rx errors
[15:00] <gordonDrogon> never experiencd that one, Brandano
[15:00] <Brandano> I tried installing rasbmc... and I got an IPv6 address, even though my DHCP server would not supply one
[15:00] <Brandano> but still no ipv4
[15:01] <gordonDrogon> most dhcp servers don't do ipv6...
[15:01] <Brandano> and naturally out of the box rasbian has ui tools to set wlan interfaces, but none for the ethernet?
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[15:02] <Brandano> gordonDrogon: that's why I found it odd, eth0 getting an ipv6 address
[15:02] <Brandano> I suspect a software issue more than a hardware one. In case I guess I'll have a more powerful model A...
[15:03] <Brandano> eth0 is still an usb device, right?
[15:03] <gordonDrogon> Linux will assign a link-local IPv6 address though.
[15:03] <Brandano> yes, but that should be on loopback
[15:03] <gordonDrogon> one that start fe08:...
[15:03] <gordonDrogon> e,g, inet6 addr: fe80::5604:a6ff:fea3:9861/64 Scope:Link
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[15:04] <Brandano> Ah, ok
[15:04] <gordonDrogon> If running a standard raspbin, make sure it's put the right thing in /etc/network/interfaces
[15:04] <Brandano> Will do. Generally I do my tweaking on headless devices via SSH... it's a bit hard to obtain if there's no networking
[15:04] <gordonDrogon> also run: sudo mii-tool eth0
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[15:05] <gordonDrogon> I don't know about the noobs system, but if you install raspbian 'normally' then you can usually do it via ssh.
[15:05] <Dagger2> link-local addresses are assigned on all interfaces
[15:05] <Brandano> well, yes... as lopng as there's a network :)
[15:05] <gordonDrogon> I'd be tempted to get the standard raspbian image and DD it to an SD card and boot that..
[15:05] <Dagger2> they have link scope, you can't put the address on another link :p
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[15:06] <pksato> Brandano: a headless rpi?
[15:06] <Brandano> thanks Dagger2, I hadn't realized that
[15:06] <Brandano> pksato: so-to-say. not headless, I have it connected via composite out and a working usb keyboard
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[15:07] <Brandano> but I am used to do most of the text-intensive operations remotely via SSH. I have a sheevaplug as well, for example
[15:07] <gordonDrogon> Brandano, what is the output of the mii-tool command?
[15:08] <Brandano> gordonDrogon: I am at work, the pi is at home. Looking for reference links, mainly
[15:08] <gordonDrogon> ok. really just making it it was plugged in ;-)
[15:08] <gordonDrogon> mii-tool will tell you if it's plugged in or not...
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[15:09] <Brandano> well, everything else seems to work fine. and I do have an USB wifi adapter I can use if eth0 really is faulty. I hopr not, though
[15:09] <gordonDrogon> I would be surprised if it was faulty, but who knows...
[15:09] <Brandano> the network adapter lights do turn up when connected, and ifconfig tells me there's been some packet exchanged with no packet loss on either TX or RX
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[15:10] <Brandano> IIRC there was an initial batch where the wrong socket was used, and didn't have internal impedances
[15:10] <IT_Sean> Yes, but none of those ever got into the wild, i believe.
[15:10] <Brandano> I didn't buy it through Farnell or RS, so I wouldn't be syurprised if this was an older stock
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[15:11] <Brandano> but it doesn't appear to be a clone
[15:11] <gordonDrogon> there are no clones... (are there?)
[15:12] <gordonDrogon> and it's highly unlikely to be old stock - they run-out regularly...
[15:12] <pksato> Brandano: is a home network, or work place?
[15:12] <gordonDrogon> all of the first batch with the wrong sockets were re-worked...
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[15:13] <Brandano> gordonDrogon: there are Arduino "clones", I'd be surprised if thee weren't RPI clones too
[15:13] <Brandano> pksato: home network
[15:13] <Brandano> dhcp server is a crappy netgear router that is going to be declassed to dumb ADSL modem
[15:13] <IT_Sean> Brandano: There are no rpi clones
[15:14] <pksato> Brandano: set manual ip, like you other host+1 or -1 .
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[15:15] <Brandano> pksato: will do. just, no ui for it in the NOOBS install, either for raspbmc or raspbian. But dhcp works fine for all other devices
[15:16] <gordonDrogon> I'd be surprised if there was a Pi clone - mostly due to the issues getting the chips.
[15:16] <gordonDrogon> AVR sell ATmegas on the open market. Broadcom don't.
[15:16] <pksato> no more leases on dhcpd pool ?
[15:16] <Brandano> plenty of leases available
[15:18] <Brandano> can I power the board through the same powered hub that I am using to extend the USB ports available?
[15:18] <Brandano> I mean, the micro-usb is only a power connector or will it cause some sort of nasty loop?
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[15:19] <pksato> Brandano: can do
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[15:20] <Brandano> Because I am not really sure of the quality of the PSU, and from what i read bad voltages cause all sort of issues
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[15:21] <histo> if the powered hub has enough juice to run all your devices and the pi
[15:22] <Brandano> well, just the PI and a wireless keyboard adapter to start with. On a 2A psu it ought to be enough?
[15:23] <Brandano> to start with I can just use the hub as a voltage stabilizer
[15:23] <Brandano> IF it can actually do that, though
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[15:25] <histo> Brandano: will the hub do 2a?
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[15:27] <Brandano> histo: well, no, probably it won't
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[15:28] <Brandano> it would need more than 2a on its power supply, and probably 3 ports
[15:28] <Brandano> but while I can easily find 2 port cables for mini-usb, I can't really find them for micro-usb
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[15:32] <Brandano> oh, well. thanks for your time. I'll try to work out how to check the psu voltages this evening
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[16:30] <gitterrost4> Hi, has anybody managed to get jdownloader running on a raspberry pi?
[16:30] <gitterrost4> I am getting loads of java errors
[16:30] <gitterrost4> these are the errors I get when trying to start jdownloader http://pastebin.com/3Dd1T5b7
[16:31] <factor> Have ot really tried java stuff , just C and bash mostly
[16:31] <factor> s/ot/not
[16:31] <factor> The cpu has some special stuff for java though if you do a cpuinfo
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[16:32] <gordonDrogon> which AIUI you can safely ignore
[16:32] <factor> that is my extent of java, as not much of a fan of it
[16:34] <gitterrost4> but still, Jdownloader seems to start, but does not show any splash screen or any kind of X reaction
[16:34] <Hoerie> you need X11 running afaik
[16:34] <gitterrost4> I have
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[16:35] <factor> What erros do you get say in /var/log/messages
[16:36] <factor> also can you run java on the commandline "java" by itself does it give you errors.
[16:36] <factor> May have to setup your environment for it if you cant without error
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[16:39] <Hoerie> java seems to work as the pastebin shows logging output from jdownloader
[16:40] <factor> what happens when yu type java on the commandline
[16:41] <Hoerie> probably the java version you are using is important too
[16:41] <gitterrost4> sorry, I was disconnected there for a second
[16:42] <gitterrost4> I am using IcedTea7 on arch linux
[16:42] <gitterrost4> when I type java on the command line, I get a usage message
[16:43] <Hoerie> http://board.jdownloader.org/showthread.php?t=27117 <-- this implies that java6 will be more likely to succeed than java 7
[16:43] <factor> Well java is picky of versions that si for sure. openjdk not on arch
[16:43] <gitterrost4> ah, thanks, I will try that
[16:43] <factor> Yes I would try it first.
[16:44] <Hoerie> but I'd expect jdownloader to be a challenge to run on a 256mb model
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[16:44] <Hoerie> better have a 512 :-)
[16:44] <gitterrost4> Hoerie: I do have a 512 model
[16:44] <factor> Yes, mine is the 512
[16:46] <gitterrost4> mhm... there doesn't seem to be a java6 implementation for arm
[16:46] <gitterrost4> or I can't find it
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[16:49] <Hoerie> isn't there and openjdk one?
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[16:51] <gitterrost4> Hoerie: not for me...
[16:52] <gitterrost4> I am using arch on the raspberry... maybe it isn't in the repositories anymore
[16:52] <Hoerie> ah, yeah
[16:52] <Hoerie> arch might not have it
[16:52] <gitterrost4> maybe in AUR, let me check
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[16:53] <Hoerie> I'm not sure if there's java 6 with hardfloat; I know there's java 6 softfloat and jdk 8 early access with hardfloat for the debian flavour
[16:53] <Darkwell> notived that there seem to be no udev rules for usb automounting in the default instal of raspbian...
[16:53] <Darkwell> noticed
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[16:56] <gitterrost4> (Does anyone know of any good alternatives to jdownloader? Some that work on a pi?)
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[17:00] <Hoerie> perhaps pyload? http://pyload.org/
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[17:03] <gitterrost4> Hoerie: I am looking into that one currently
[17:03] <gitterrost4> it does need qt for the gui
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[19:17] <Pinas> hello all
[19:18] <Pinas> one question - My raspberry is connected to a harddrive that contains some movies and I want to watch this movies on my notebook/pc/... . What is the best (and quickest) way to achieve this ??? thx :)
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[19:28] <shiftplusone> Pinas, what's your pc running?
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[19:47] <Pinas> shiftplusone: pretty much everything, got a mac, a linux pc (debian) and a windows notebook
[19:48] <shiftplusone> Pinas, in that case samba might be the best bet
[19:48] <Pinas> i currently stream a movie with vlc
[19:48] <shiftplusone> it will just come up as a windows share
[19:49] <Pinas> isn't there some cool solution with a little web gui that even my mum can use (she knows how to use youtube :) )
[19:49] <Pinas> I saw something like this for webcam streams
[19:49] <bacobart> you want plex probably
[19:50] <bacobart> but your raspberry isnt fast enough to run plex properly
[19:50] <bacobart> so if you want to use the raspberry you should use a samba share
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[19:51] <shiftplusone> There's owncloud, which has a media player plugin, but in my experience it's a bit too slow on a pi.
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[19:51] <shiftplusone> You can make your own html5 player with a file browser, I suppose
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[19:52] <shiftplusone> But I don't know what's easier than opening a file like it's local (after samba is set up)
[19:52] <bacobart> yeah or if that's too hard just setup xbmc on the local pc and have it index your raspberry
[19:53] <tfinnamore> any of you guys have experience with MediaTomb on the pi? does that run well, assuming you arent transcoding?
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[19:57] <Pinas> ok thank you for all the tips :)
[19:57] <Ely_arp> twonky runs well on the pi but you need a licence
[19:58] <Pinas> i just found resplex - anyone has experience with that ?
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[20:12] <knob> Good afternoon all =)
[20:13] <pecorade> Good afternoon, knob.
[20:14] <knob> How's it going over there pecorade ?
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[20:15] <pecorade> knob, well. I've just finished to install Windows 8.
[20:15] <knob> Ah nice!
[20:15] <knob> It's a very nice OS. I prefer fBSD, yet w8 is very good.
[20:15] <knob> I installed Classic Shell the very first day
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[20:16] <pecorade> Classic Shell? Let me google that.
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[20:18] <HonkeyGenius> i have win8 on my laptop. i don't use any metro aps (don't see a point to them). only need the desktop and lack of "start menu" is no biggy as the start screen works fine.
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[20:18] <navaismo> Hi is there a way to use al pins as Digital IO?
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[20:20] <pksato> navaismo: yes. all 17 pin can be uses a GPIO. just disable special functions like uart, spi, i2c, etc
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[20:23] <pecorade> knob to be honest i've burned a FreeBSD 9 DVD recently but still i don't have enough free time to play with it.
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[20:24] <knob> HonkeyGenius, I couldn't wrap my head around the Start Screen
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[20:24] <knob> pecorade, we're with 9.1 RELEASE now, so try that one instead of 9.0! =)
[20:24] <knob> And if you can... go for it. Hands down, my favorite OS
[20:25] <knob> And the forums are awesome, as is the irc #freebsd
[20:25] <knob> Very nice people... just like here at #raspberrrypi
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[20:26] <navaismo> pksato, thanks any url to read more about that?
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[20:27] <pksato> navaismo: any advanced math book. or for dsp.
[20:27] <pksato> ah
[20:28] <pksato> ops.
[20:28] <pksato> wrong channel.
[20:28] <navaismo> :D
[20:29] <pksato> navaismo: elinux or the magpi
[20:29] <navaismo> thanks
[20:29] <pksato> gordon site too.
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[20:31] <navaismo> got it thanks
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[20:36] <steve_rox> any interesting pi stuff going on?
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[20:40] <SpeedEvil> The end number is a 3.
[20:40] <SpeedEvil> After that, it's all 0s.
[20:40] <steve_rox> i see
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[20:48] <gordonDrogon> evening.
[20:48] <gordonDrogon> wroberts1, gpio readall does not use 'sys mode' ...
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[21:20] <D0nta> hey, I am looking to purchase a rpi to use it for vpn, znc, file server, and maybe a few other things... can it handle that much?
[21:21] <D0nta> also is there any reasons to use a heatsink fan on it?
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[21:22] <IT_Sean> D0nta: it'll work for light home server use.
[21:22] <gordonDrogon> no heatsinks needed.
[21:22] <IT_Sean> and No, you do not need a heatsink.
[21:22] <D0nta> IT_Sean: can it run those processes I listed above at the same time for personal use?
[21:23] <D0nta> also does raspberrian have built in gpg that I can use over ssh?
[21:24] <D0nta> gordonDrogon: will a case cause any heat issues?
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[21:25] <Ely_arp> has anyone done a heat sink temperature comparison
[21:26] * IT_Sean walks away
[21:27] <D0nta> Ely_arp: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=19759
[21:27] <D0nta> " found that with no cooling it would run around 52 degrees. With just the heat sink it would run around 47 and with both a heat sink and fan around 36 degrees."
[21:28] <Ely_arp> fair enough , they dont say at what frequency
[21:28] <IT_Sean> You. Don't. Need. A. Flozzing. Heatsink.
[21:28] <Ely_arp> lets assume 800 mhz
[21:28] <Ely_arp> so at 1 ghz...would be interesting to know
[21:28] <D0nta> IT_Sean: lol
[21:29] <IT_Sean> The only purpose behind raspi heatsinks (except for the extreme cases of serious overclocking) is to separate idiots from their money.
[21:29] <D0nta> IT_Sean: do you know about gpg?
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[21:29] <IT_Sean> wot's GPG?
[21:30] <D0nta> IT_Sean: for win: http://www.gpg4win.org/
[21:30] <Ely_arp> still a 3 x heat sink cost only 3 euro on ebay
[21:30] <Ely_arp> so we are not talking buks
[21:30] <IT_Sean> That's an excellent way to waste 3 euro
[21:30] <Ely_arp> and often you can find an old one on soem old board
[21:30] <Ely_arp> rip of and stick on and them 1 ghz
[21:30] <IT_Sean> You can't even stick the darn thing to the SOC, so...
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[21:31] <quackgyver> RaspberryPi + Wireless keyboard/mouse trackball = the only time I've ever had use for a hotel TV.
[21:31] <quackgyver> :D
[21:31] <D0nta> Ely_arp: http://www.piborg.com/chilledpi
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[21:32] <D0nta> okay, it looks like it might have gpg: http://glynrob.com/security/gnupg-on-raspberry-pi/
[21:32] <Ely_arp> in any case at 950 mhz and a small heat sink the unit ran stable
[21:33] <Ely_arp> without heat sink it crashed
[21:33] <D0nta> Ely_arp: you run a heatsink?
[21:33] <Bushmills> very suitable cooling equipment for raspberry, albeit a bit on the expensive side, are peltier elements.
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[21:34] <Ely_arp> did i say that
[21:34] <D0nta> <Ely_arp> without heat sink it crashed
[21:34] <Ely_arp> yes the pi crashed
[21:34] <Ely_arp> not the heat sink crashed
[21:34] <Bushmills> "at 950 mhz "
[21:34] <Ely_arp> yeo
[21:34] <Bushmills> that's overcloicked by 250 MHz
[21:34] <IT_Sean> ^ that
[21:34] <Ely_arp> normal
[21:35] <D0nta> ah
[21:35] <Dataless> Anyone experienced issues PI/wheezy running on a lan with existing netBIOS protocol and causing random communication drops for other devices?
[21:35] <Ely_arp> it would run at that speed
[21:35] <Ely_arp> wouldnt
[21:35] <Bushmills> for peltier elements, you'd want a more powerful power supply too
[21:35] <Ely_arp> pelteier are not efficient
[21:35] <Bushmills> who cares. they cool.
[21:35] <D0nta> are there any cool server related projects that use breakout boards?
[21:35] <Ely_arp> has anyone tried one on a pi
[21:36] <Bushmills> on one side, at least
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[21:36] <IT_Sean> D0nta: Server projects that use breakout boards? You will have to be more specific...
[21:37] <D0nta> IT_Sean: Idk, I mostly meant not to drive servos/robotics
[21:37] <IT_Sean> There are plenty of people doing that sort of stuff. Not sure i'd calssify it as a "server" rpoject, though.
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[21:37] <D0nta> oh okay
[21:37] <D0nta> IT_Sean: which do you find to be the coolest?
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[21:38] <Bushmills> careful. the word "cool" may cause a knee jerk reaction :)
[21:38] <mgottschlag> actually, peltier elements are very efficient... if one uses them for heating :)
[21:38] <D0nta> lol ^
[21:39] <D0nta> Bushmills: I thought about that, but did it anyway
[21:39] <mgottschlag> (because, in the end they generate more heat than normal heating elements, for the same input power)
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[21:40] <Bushmills> combined cooler and cup warmer
[21:40] <D0nta> python comes built into pi, correct?
[21:42] <shiftplusone> No, but the official raspbian image comes with python pre-installed.
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[21:44] <Ely_arp> Bushmills is 950 mhz too high?
[21:44] <Bushmills> if it crashes, it seems so
[21:45] <D0nta> IT_Sean: how do you keep it at 1Ghz stable if you don't use a heatsink/fan?
[21:45] <D0nta> or 950Mhz
[21:46] <ozzzy> they work great at 700mhz
[21:46] <Bushmills> how do you keep it stable at 1.6 GHz without liquid nitrogen?
[21:46] <ozzzy> if it's not stable at 950... turn it down to 900
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[21:47] <shiftplusone> D0nta, The pi 'should' be perfectly fine at 1GHz without any cooling.
[21:47] <Dataless> has anyone monitored the Pi's traffic with Microsoft Network Monitor?
[21:47] <ozzzy> should be... but ever processor is different
[21:48] <D0nta> ozzzy: is there any need to run them higher than 700Mhz if you're only running personal stuff (BNC, file server, VPN)?
[21:48] <ozzzy> D0nta: I don't think so
[21:48] <shiftplusone> yes, that's all the advertised clock rate means really... that it has been tested and is stable at that frequency.
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[21:49] <D0nta> K, well, if it shouldn't have any trouble running what I need, I'm going to order one!
[21:49] <ozzzy> you mean you don't have one?
[21:49] <D0nta> ozzzy: Nope, I run a linux server which I hope to replace
[21:50] <D0nta> (less electricity)
[21:50] <ozzzy> then how do you know it's unstable at 950
[21:50] <D0nta> ozzzy: going off of what Ely_arp had said
[21:50] <ozzzy> mine ran fine at 1GHz
[21:50] <Ely_arp> booted myself
[21:50] <ozzzy> but... as I don't need the speed I turned it down after a couple of days
[21:50] <D0nta> why?
[21:50] <Ely_arp> no mine runs at 950 mhz but i used a heat sink
[21:50] <Ely_arp> may be other units are stable
[21:50] <shiftplusone> ozzzy, why? (given frequency scaling)
[21:51] <ozzzy> why not? [shrug]
[21:51] <tfinnamore> thought they had an ondemand overclock? idle at 700 and climb up when needed
[21:51] <D0nta> faster performance?
[21:51] <Ely_arp> when it is streaming the speed goes up to 950
[21:51] <ozzzy> I don't need the performance
[21:51] <shiftplusone> tfinnamore, correct. It's not actually 'ondemand' it's one provided by broadcom, but it's meant to do the same thing.
[21:51] <D0nta> ozzzy: what do you use it for?
[21:52] <ozzzy> it serves USB and serial over IP
[21:52] <shiftplusone> Though the bcm governor doesn't work the way I expect it to, so I switch to ondemand =/
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[21:52] <ozzzy> and a simple set of programs that turn on/off gpios
[21:53] <D0nta> cool
[21:53] <D0nta> I use a few foneras for wireless printers
[21:53] <D0nta> had pi been around back then, I'd have probably use one of them
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[21:55] <FR^2> Not really a raspberry topic, but is there a way to connect a serial port (ttl) to a bluetooth module and connect to that using bluetooth serial profile?
[21:56] <D0nta> do the micro wifi dangles get good reception?
[21:56] <D0nta> or should I upgrade?
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[21:57] <ozzzy> I bought a cheap 802.11n dongle... works perfect
[21:58] <D0nta> cool
[21:59] <ozzzy> for in the field I bought a cheap 802.11n portable router from ebay.... it works great too
[21:59] <zproc> hello
[22:00] <ozzzy> hi
[22:00] <zproc> when trying to install a package i have some errors about pulseaudio http://pastebin.com/yb6C3cmB
[22:00] <zproc> it can't update/install it
[22:02] <D0nta> in the USA is Newark (element 14) the best place to buy?
[22:02] <shiftplusone> I'd say so
[22:03] <D0nta> do you know what shipping runs?
[22:03] <D0nta> Amazon is selling @ $42 with free shipping
[22:03] <shiftplusone> no
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[22:04] <shiftplusone> Hm, looks like an Arch update breaks everything again =D
[22:04] <Armand> D'oh!
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[22:06] <ozzzy> D0nta: they charged me $8 shipping to Canada
[22:06] <D0nta> ozzzy: okay
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[22:21] <Dataless> Anyone experienced issues PI/wheezy running on a lan with existing netBIOS protocol and causing random communication drops for other devices?
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[22:22] <Dataless> I'm not running Samba either
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[22:33] <daveZzZ> geniuinely feeling trying to get this to compile on windows is not gonna happen
[22:33] <daveZzZ> every tutorial has a link with missing files
[22:34] <daveZzZ> ooo webide
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[22:35] <daveZzZ> for linux;/
[22:36] <daveZzZ> can i run linux in virtual box?
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[22:37] <shiftplusone> 'course
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[22:39] <daveZzZ> argggh i was typing and it asked me something i pressed enter to god knwos what;/
[22:40] <daveZzZ> which linux should i use ?
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[22:40] <daveZzZ> i have a feeling it might start a flame war
[22:41] <shiftplusone> Whichever you're familiar with
[22:41] <daveZzZ> none.
[22:41] <shiftplusone> try mint
[22:41] <daveZzZ> i dont have that option apparantly
[22:41] <shiftplusone> ?
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[22:41] <daveZzZ> 'create virtual machine'
[22:42] <shiftplusone> It really doesn't matter what you choose.
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[22:45] <daveZzZ> it's about time anyway
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[23:01] <BonaC> What is the "proper" way to install plugins?
[23:01] <BonaC> in XBMC Xbian
[23:02] <IT_Sean> besides "veeery carefully" ?
[23:02] <BonaC> Hmm
[23:02] <BonaC> Derp
[23:02] <BonaC> I have no idea
[23:03] <BonaC> Now I got them showing up
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[23:03] <BonaC> But I can't get them working
[23:03] <BonaC> I get error "Script failed:yleareena.py"
[23:03] <BonaC> So, I need some other python package?
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[23:25] <chaotix> hi
[23:25] <daveZzZ> 'lo
[23:25] <chaotix> what distro would be best for a todler for raspberry pi?
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[23:25] <chaotix> he is going on
[23:25] <chaotix> going to hook it up to his tv
[23:26] <chaotix> i was thinking raspbian, with chrome maybe, so he can play flash games?
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[23:35] <tos9> there is some linux distro with tons of children's games on it
[23:35] <tos9> I forget what it is called, or if they have an ARM version
[23:36] <tos9> qimo. that's the one. Doesn't look like they have an ARM version unfortunately.
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[23:36] <tos9> raspbian's probably fine.
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[23:39] <mdik> hi. what would you say is the most easy way to measure resistance (a sensor which outputs via a variable resistance) with the raspberry
[23:40] <mdik> which external component is cheapest/easiest to install?
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[23:41] <pksato> mdik: it is not easy.
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[23:44] <pksato> to do it easy, buy a gertboard or piface module with adc.
[23:45] <ShorTie> perf board and wire wrap wire
[23:45] <mdik> ok. and the hard way would be an arduino/microcontroller hooked up to uart?
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[23:45] <pksato> mdik: RPi dont have a ADC.
[23:45] <mdik> pksato: i know
[23:46] <pksato> need on external. arduino is one of way to have adc.
[23:46] <daveZzZ> i book marked an ADC board
[23:46] <pksato> or, little attiny85
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[23:46] <daveZzZ> http://www.abelectronics.co.uk/products/3/Raspberry-Pi/17/ADC-Pi-V2---Raspberry-Pi-Analogue-to-Digital-converter
[23:46] <pksato> or, other stand alone ADC,
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[23:48] <daveZzZ> ew, the sampling rate is awful
[23:48] <pksato> for slow and not precise application, a simple adc can be implemented using one or two digital pins.
[23:49] <plugwash> you can get single chip i2c and spi ADCs
[23:49] <plugwash> shouldn't be too hard to hook em up to the Pi
[23:49] <gordonDrogon> easy to hook up - slow to sample )-:
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[23:51] <mdik> daveZzZ: nice. thank you!
[23:51] <mdik> sampling rate is not important
[23:52] <mdik> pksato: and how would i do it with the digital pins?
[23:52] <gordonDrogon> get the gertboard schematics and just copy the part for the ADC input...
[23:52] <pksato> RC network.
[23:52] <gordonDrogon> mcp3002 IIRC.
[23:53] <mdik> ok. cool.
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[23:53] <gordonDrogon> it hooks to the SPI bus.
[23:53] * ozzzy is in serial port hell
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[23:53] <gordonDrogon> zed time for me - enjoy the serial hell ;-)
[23:54] <ozzzy> sleep well
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