#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2013-06-13

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[0:37] <nides80> has anyone gotten one of those cheap cases on ebay that go for $5?
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[0:40] <ozzzy> yep
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[0:40] <nides80> how do they hold up?
[0:41] <ozzzy> they work fine
[0:41] <ozzzy> mill a slot on the side for the IO pins... the slot in the lid is useless
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[0:42] <nides80> that wa my next question.. the pics don't show that part of the case well
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[0:54] <JakeSays> soo.. which is better, open office or libre office?
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[0:55] <shiftplusone> Pretty much the same, but libreoffice only because oracle sucks.
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[0:56] <mdik> i do html and then wkhtmltopdf
[0:56] <mdik> (i really do)
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[0:57] <shiftplusone> O_o why?
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[0:58] * plugwash wishes someone would do something with all the good points of latex but that could do modern stuff without building hacks on top of hacks
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[0:59] <JakeSays> mdik: the problem with wkhtmltopdf is it renders <canvas> elements as bitmaps
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[1:27] <Firehopper> https://twitter.com/CuteEmergency/status/344957703786991616/photo/1 < the force is strong with this one!
[1:29] <chod> quit
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[1:41] <makersauce> has anyone made a postscript pen plotter with a pi?
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[2:30] <lolaphat_> Hello, I am in need of help to get started on my current project. Is there anyone who can help? I am completley new to most of this stuff.
[2:33] <ShorTie> welp, can't help on a project without knowing what it is
[2:33] <lolaphat_> Thanks for the reply. I plan to build a quadrocopter.
[2:33] <lolaphat_> I will be getting my raspberry pi on friday.
[2:36] <ShorTie> and what all are we intending to build for it
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[2:37] <lolaphat_> ShorTie: What do you mean?
[2:38] <ShorTie> are you getting a kit or just starting with 4 motors
[2:39] <daveZzZ> for a uni project lolaphat_?
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[2:39] <lolaphat_> ShorTie: Mostly going down that route.
[2:39] <DrkCodeman_> I can't get my new raspberry pi to power on i just get a red led
[2:40] <DrkCodeman_> am i doing something wrong?
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[2:40] <pksato> quadrocopter? Its is a complex project.
[2:40] <DrkCodeman_> 5v 700ma cell phone charger
[2:41] <ShorTie> 4 motor route ??
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[2:42] <ShorTie> they call for a 1 amp supply DrkCodeman
[2:42] <ShorTie> are you seeing anything on display ??
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[2:42] <lolaphat_> ShorTie: Yes.
[2:43] <DrkCodeman_> 700 mA (3.5 W)
[2:43] <DrkCodeman_> is on wikki
[2:43] <ShorTie> do you have any model helicoptering experiance ??
[2:44] <lolaphat_> None.
[2:45] <ShorTie> i've been building model planes for 45 years and would most likely buy 1 already made
[2:45] <lolaphat_> Oh.
[2:45] <ShorTie> you got a real step learning curve ahead
[2:46] <lolaphat_> I'm up for it... I've got all summer.
[2:46] <ShorTie> know any thing about motor controls ??
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[2:49] <lolaphat_> Some.
[2:49] <lolaphat_> I really want to build this one.
[2:49] <lolaphat_> http://code.google.com/p/owenquad/
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[2:49] <lolaphat_> But I don't know the wiring, like what the board is, and how everything under it is wired.
[2:51] <ShorTie> at least they give you far warning, 10x45 propellers (buy lots of spares), lol.
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[2:53] <ShorTie> ya, kinda cruel to give a parts list and no schem
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[2:55] <ShorTie> i guessing, but that is a 2-3000 dollar project
[2:55] <ShorTie> if not more
[2:56] <lolaphat_> Really?
[2:56] <lolaphat_> The gyro is $10, the arduino is like $15
[2:57] <ShorTie> yup, cheap stuff
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[2:57] <ShorTie> couple hundred for the radio
[2:58] <lolaphat_> I'm not doing a radio.
[2:58] <lolaphat_> I'd be doing bluetooth.
[2:58] <plugwash> how much are the motors and their speed controllers?
[2:58] <ShorTie> couple hundred for the battery if you want to fly any time
[2:58] <DrkCodeman_> wow sd formatter is being retarded i just ran diskpart on the disk and told it to clean the drive and the application still says not supported
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[2:58] <ShorTie> and your gonna need a spare
[2:58] <DrkCodeman_> but somehow i managed to use it initially on the drive
[2:59] <ShorTie> plugwash, i'd guess at least 100 a piece
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[3:21] <DrkCodeman_> anyone running C++ Minecraft server on their raspberry pi with luck?
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[3:41] <DrkCodeman_> im going to submerge mine in mineral oil and oc the hell out of it
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[3:41] <IT_Sean> ....
[3:41] * IT_Sean face palms
[3:42] <DrkCodeman_> use TEC peltiers with it too
[3:42] <DrkCodeman_> why not?
[3:42] <DrkCodeman_> mineral oil is non conduct
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[3:43] <DrkCodeman_> i guess it doesn't matter regardless due to the speed of usb / sdhc
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[3:44] <DrkCodeman_> the whole reason i got the thing was for an offsite backup for my websites
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[3:45] <DrkCodeman_> figure i will use rsync and a cron job from my hosting company
[3:46] <ShadowJK> 20MB/s ought to be fast enough for everyone
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[3:47] <ShadowJK> ;)
[3:47] <DrkCodeman_> is that the max usb speed?
[3:48] <DrkCodeman_> ive seen a couple sdhc cards that run 90MB/s
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[3:49] <ShadowJK> 25M/s is max sdhc speed on Pi
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[3:53] <DrkCodeman_> im going to need to get a faster card this one is only running at 2.6MB/s
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[3:57] <DrkCodeman_> ShadowJK: 25M/s is that a software limitation or hardware limitation?
[3:59] <ShadowJK> hw
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[4:19] <DrkCodeman_> after i get to bash my keyboard stops responding
[4:19] <DrkCodeman_> in raspbian
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[4:21] <DrkCodeman_> works fine till it gets to that point
[4:22] <pksato> get bash from?
[4:23] <DrkCodeman_> i just setup the os, login and as soon as it brings me to $ the keyboard stops working
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[4:25] <DrkCodeman_> using a apple keyboard not sure if that makes a diffrence
[4:25] <pksato> repluged?
[4:26] <DrkCodeman_> yeah tried that
[4:27] <pksato> and, no messages on screen?
[4:28] <pksato> Rpi hang?
[4:28] <DrkCodeman_> was the mouse
[4:28] <DrkCodeman_> the apple keyboard has a usb hub built in
[4:29] <DrkCodeman_> took to much power to use that and a mouse
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[4:29] <Chandler01> Hello, I need help with connecting my Pi to a arduino to manipulate ESCs
[4:29] <pksato> ESCs?
[4:30] <Chandler01> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_Speed_Control
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[4:30] <djapo> hello, i em using 8192cu module for a wifi dongle whenever i stream a video from xbmc the network becomes nearly unusable running ping from my phone says that after 1030 packets send 43% are loss on the phone and without xbmc running on the pi 566 packets 0% loss
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[4:31] <Chandler01> Are you doing it via TCP or UDP
[4:31] <Chandler01> UDP results in a greater loss than TCP afaik.
[4:31] <djapo> i already turned of power management and usb suspend via the driver conf in a previous attempt to fix it
[4:32] <djapo> Chandler01: not sure how do i find out, netstat?
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[4:32] <Chandler01> I'm not sure..
[4:32] <Chandler01> Worst case senario, just wire it? via ethernet cable.
[4:33] <djapo> to far from my router :( a room a way not too far to effect wifi signal
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[4:35] <Chandler01> Haha :p
[4:35] <Chandler01> So, does anyone care to help me tackle my quadrotor project?
[4:35] <Chandler01> I am planning to order a gyro and connect it.
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[4:36] <IT_Sean> "... and connect it" ?
[4:36] <Chandler01> idk >.>
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[4:36] <stiltzkin> Hey - anyone here happen to use an Asus USB-N10 with their Pi? I cannot get mine to work even after compiling and installing the driver from source
[4:36] <IT_Sean> How do you plan on doing that, and how do you plan on interfacing with it
[4:36] <IT_Sean> ?
[4:36] <Chandler01> I'm new to all this.
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[4:37] <Chandler01> IT_Sean: Can you help me with getting the Gyro up and runnign?
[4:38] <IT_Sean> Sorry.
[4:38] <IT_Sean> No.
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[4:38] <IT_Sean> I'd have no idea where to even begin.
[4:39] <Chandler01> Darn.
[4:40] <ricksl> what are you trying to do exactly chandler?
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[4:41] <Chandler01> Quadcopter.
[4:41] <ricksl> what is a gyro?
[4:41] <Chandler01> Accelerometer.
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[4:41] <ricksl> ah
[4:42] <ricksl> so you want to use the raspberry pi as the controller board?
[4:43] <IT_Sean> What sort of outoput has the accelerometer have on it?
[4:44] <Chandler01> One sec.
[4:44] <pksato> A [gyro]scope is a device for measuring or maintaining orientation,
[4:44] <Chandler01> I'll get you the one I wanna use.
[4:44] <pksato> Accelerometer is other type of device.
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[4:45] <Chandler01> accelerometer = orientation
[4:45] <pksato> no.
[4:46] <Chandler01> Mpu6050 gyro breakout
[4:46] <Chandler01> Thats the one i'm using
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[4:48] <Chandler01> I2C Digital-output
[4:48] <pksato> gyroscope are a big mecanical device.
[4:49] <Chandler01> Then what is this?
[4:49] <Chandler01> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/11028
[4:49] <Chandler01> Thats what i'm getting
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[4:50] <pksato> its is a motion sensor.
[4:51] <Chandler01> It measures the XYZ
[4:51] <Chandler01> Pitch and Yaw or w/e
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[4:53] <DrkCodeman> trying to figure out rysnc
[4:55] <DrkCodeman> do i need rsync installed to both servers?
[4:55] <pksato> to clarify, have at least, two kind of gyroscope, one type to measure motion (accelation) and other to control movement.
[4:56] <pksato> both are mecanical device.
[4:56] <pksato> 'mechanical'
[4:57] <histo> So does the NOOB system repartition or format the device something other than FAT?
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[4:59] <histo> If someone that has used it can please give the output of lsblk and mount
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[5:02] <djapo> when streming a video true xbmc my ssh session conection fails
[5:03] <pksato> djapo: that date rate of video? codec?
[5:04] <djapo> pksato: 720p 30fps
[5:04] <djapo> pksato: i would try it again but im running irssi over ssh
[5:05] <DrkCodeman> still figuring this out
[5:05] <Chandler01> How do I know what pins to connect for MPU6050
[5:06] <pksato> Chandler01: its are write on PCB.
[5:06] <Chandler01> Ok, just connect the matching headers from the GPIO pins?
[5:07] <pksato> yes.
[5:08] <Chandler01> http://www.simplelabs.co.in/sites/default/files/mpu_6050_gy521_0.jpg
[5:08] <Chandler01> Just look for those on the raspberry pi's tech sheet?
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[5:10] <Chandler01> pksato: I don't see the vcc one on there :/
[5:10] <pksato> need to return do school.
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[5:12] <Chandler01> I've never taken a Digital Electronics class @ school :p
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[5:14] <ricksl> kinda rude pksato, consider most people come here for help not scrutiny and ridicule
[5:15] <histo> Chandler01: http://www.instructables.com/id/Raspberry-Pi-I2C-Python/?ALLSTEPS
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[5:15] <Chandler01> ricksl: Thanks
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[5:16] <pksato> sorry.
[5:16] <Chandler01> It's alright.
[5:16] <Chandler01> I looked it up, VCC = 5V?
[5:17] <pksato> no.
[5:17] <Chandler01> What does it mean then
[5:17] <pksato> VCC are any positive power supply voltage.
[5:17] <Chandler01> Ok
[5:17] <Chandler01> So +Power?
[5:17] <histo> Chandler01: What type of sensor do you have?
[5:17] <pksato> VCC on RPi is 3v3. on arduino 5V.
[5:18] <Chandler01> http://www.simplelabs.co.in/sites/default/files/mpu_6050_gy521_0.jpg
[5:18] <histo> pksato: there is also a 5v on the rpi isn't there?
[5:18] <pksato> have.
[5:18] <Chandler01> There is one
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[5:18] <pksato> but, for GPIO use, is 3v3.
[5:18] <Chandler01> Pin 3 I think
[5:19] <histo> Chandler01: where did you get it from?
[5:19] <Chandler01> Ebay :p
[5:20] <histo> Chandler01: you'd have to find a datasheet for it for the input voltage.
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[5:20] <Chandler01> http://invensense.com/mems/gyro/documents/PS-MPU-6000A.pdf
[5:20] <Chandler01> ?
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[5:21] <histo> I've found two figures. One site say 5v another says 2.375v-3.46v
[5:22] <histo> hold up
[5:22] <Chandler01> It's arduino based
[5:22] <Chandler01> so it seems 5 should be it.
[5:22] <histo> Chandler01: who makes the spefic board you have?
[5:22] <pksato> some have a regulator
[5:23] <Chandler01> I actually don't have it in hand
[5:23] <Chandler01> but I am wanting to know for when I get it.
[5:23] <histo> Chandler01: the arduino ones are 3v to 5v compatible according to what i'm finding.
[5:24] <Chandler01> Should I be able to use it for RPi?
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[5:25] <Chandler01> Then use the stuff it gets from it to control ESCs from an Arduino
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[5:29] <Chandler01> Anyone know?
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[5:31] <histo> Chandler01: You can use the sensor with the rpi even if you have to supply voltage from some other source
[5:31] <Chandler01> What? To the gyro?
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[5:33] <Chandler01> histo: To the Gyro?
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[5:34] <pksato> to take off rpi, need a big quadcopter/ :)
[5:35] <Chandler01> RPI?
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[5:35] <Chandler01> >.> nvm
[5:37] <Dataless> Anyone experienced issues PI/wheezy running on a lan with existing netBIOS protocol and causing random communication drops for other devices?
[5:37] <Dataless> I'm not running Samba either
[5:38] <pksato> other?
[5:38] <pksato> broadcast storm?
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[5:40] <JakeSays> Dataless: if you're not running netbd then i doubt your pi is having any effect on other netbios machines
[5:42] <Chandler01> What are the wires that connect the pins?
[5:42] <Chandler01> Are they just pin connectors? :p
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[5:45] <histo> Chandler01: http://learn.adafruit.com/adafruits-raspberry-pi-lesson-4-gpio-setup?view=all
[5:45] <histo> Chandler01: jumper wires work well.
[5:45] <Chandler01> ^ any USA sites that sell cheap?
[5:45] <Chandler01> USA due to quick shipping
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[5:46] <maxinux> Chandler01: adafruit.
[5:48] <Chandler01> http://www.adafruit.com/products/825
[5:48] <Chandler01> free shipping?
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[6:28] <nerdboy> arr...
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[6:38] <DrkCodeman> does the raspberry pi have enough power to power a 1tb usb drive if no keyboard or mouse is hooked up
[6:39] <maxinux> i wouldnt expect it to do it _reliably_
[6:40] <maxinux> just use the same 5v source for both devices
[6:40] <maxinux> splice the cables together
[6:40] <maxinux> 5v is 5v
[6:40] <DrkCodeman> true
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[8:59] <Dataless> Anyone experienced issues PI/wheezy running on a lan with existing netBIOS protocol and causing random communication drops for other devices?
[8:59] <Dataless> I'm not running Samba either
[8:59] <Grievre> "communication drops"?
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[9:00] <Dataless> Grievre not quite sure what's happening on the other machine, just know when the PI is on a LAN running Aloha POS software, their POS goes offiline
[9:00] <Dataless> I do know that Aloha uses NetBIOS to comm
[9:00] <Grievre> wireshark
[9:01] <Dataless> yea, i'm running Microsoft Network Monitor
[9:01] <Dataless> don't see anything out of the ordinary
[9:01] <Grievre> that's not wireshark
[9:01] <Dataless> haha, true
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[9:10] <Dataless> thanks Grievre, WS is indeed a nicer tool
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[9:14] <LordDoskias> hello
[9:14] <LordDoskias> anyone here had any interaction with openmax on the pi?
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[9:26] <CruX__> Hey there everyone. Are there any known problems in running h264 on the newer 3.9.5 kernel? I have some stuttering issues that did not apear on 3.6
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[9:48] <ShotokanZH> hi all
[9:49] <ShotokanZH> Davespice, i've an hard question! hope some of you can help me 'cause i'm in trouble xD
[9:50] <ShotokanZH> i'm trying to dump an RTSP video
[9:50] <ShotokanZH> seen from a normal pc the video has a 0,5-1s delay
[9:51] <ShotokanZH> (using sw like vlc)
[9:51] <ShotokanZH> so if i wave my hand in front of the network camera, after 1s i see the movement on the screen. that's ok for me.
[9:52] <ShotokanZH> problem is on rasperry:
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[9:53] <ShotokanZH> even playing a simple 700x560 vid, the video on the raspberry (using mplayer+omxplayer) does have a 10-12s delay.
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[9:54] <ShotokanZH> even playing a simple 700x560 vid, the video on the raspberry (using mplayer+omxplayer) does have a 10-12s delay.
[9:54] <ShotokanZH> dan2k3k4, can you help somehow? :(
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[9:58] <ShorTie> have you tried top to see what all resources are being used ??
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[10:09] <LordDoskias> where can i find documentation regarding openmax ?
[10:09] <LordDoskias> i want to do some transcoding work ??
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[10:18] <linuxstb> LordDoskias: The official documentation is at http://www.khronos.org/openmax/ - you want the IL 1.1.2 specification. Also look here - http://home.nouwen.name/RaspberryPi/documentation/ilcomponents/
[10:18] <linuxstb> LordDoskias: For transcoding, the omxtx app will probably also be helpful - google will find it (there's a forum thread, plus the github repository)
[10:19] <LordDoskias> yeah, been reading about this
[10:19] <LordDoskias> thanks, also i intend to do cross compiling
[10:19] <LordDoskias> will ther ebe any problems with that
[10:21] <linuxstb> Cross-compiling should work, I can't say if you'll have problems doing it though ;) Personally I just build on the Pi.
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[10:22] <linuxstb> ShotokanZH: What do you mean by "mplayer+omxplayer" ? You're using mplayer to receive the stream, and omxplayer to play it?
[10:24] <LordDoskias> linuxstb, what IDE do you use?
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[10:26] <linuxstb> LordDoskias: I don't, just emacs.
[10:26] <LordDoskias> jesus, one of "those" people :D
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[10:30] <ShotokanZH> linuxstb, exactly, sorry i was afk
[10:31] <ShotokanZH> linuxstb, i run this command:
[10:31] <ShotokanZH> sudo mplayer -fs -bandwidth 2000 -nosound -framedrop -nocache -dumpvideo rtsp://192.168.1.74:554/cam/realmonitor\?channel=5\&subtype=0\&authbasic=YWRtaW46YWRtaW4= -dumpfile pipe.mkv | sudo omxplayer --video_queue 1 --video_fifo 1 pipe.mkv
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[10:32] <ShotokanZH> where pipe.mkv it's a pipe file.
[10:32] <ShotokanZH> 42 prw-r--r-- 1 pi pi 0 Jun 13 08:01 pipe.mkv
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[10:34] <linuxstb> Why the sudo? But no, without adding rtsp support to omxplayer, I don't know how you can get the latency down.
[10:34] <ShotokanZH> linuxstb, isn't 12s A LOT of latency by the way?
[10:35] <ShotokanZH> i mean: my old 486 it's running that with 3s delay lol
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[10:36] <Pinas> hello all
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[10:38] <Pinas> hope someone can help me. I am looking for some kind of "web mediacenter". Scenario: I have a pi with access to some harddisks containing movies (several formats). What I'D like to have is a possibilitie to connect to this pi via a web gui and have access to it (little bit like youtube just with my movies). Is there something like that ?
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[10:39] <linuxstb> ShotokanZH: Yes, it is. If you try just the mplayer dumpfile command, dumping to a file, is there a delay in it starting to contain data? You could then see how fast omxplayer can start playing that file.
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[10:40] <Jck_true> Pinas: Depends what direction you're going in - There's a whole bunch of "YouTube clones" written in php
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[10:42] <ShotokanZH> linuxstb, i just found out that omxplayer DOES play rtsp streams if you enclude the link in apix
[10:43] <ShotokanZH> linkxs, omxplayer "rtsp://192.168.1.74:554/cam/realmonitor?channel=5&subtype=0&authbasic=YWRtaW46YWRtaW4="
[10:43] <Jck_true> Pinas: How much interface you need? There's stuff like Plex too (With interfaces for your iphone/Android etc)
[10:43] <ShotokanZH> linuxstb, it does play, but same 12s delay.
[10:44] <linuxstb> ShotokanZH: Sounds like omxplayer itself is to blame for the delay then.
[10:45] <ShotokanZH> linuxstb, fuck :( i've to reproduce a security camera using that, 12s delay it's too much :(
[10:45] <ShotokanZH> linuxstb, you know anything i can contact about that?
[10:45] <ShotokanZH> *anyone
[10:47] <Jck_true> Try reporting a bug on OMXplayer
[10:47] <linuxstb> ShotokanZH: https://github.com/huceke/omxplayer/issues/160
[10:48] <Pinas> Jck_true: well i dont really need a super beautiful interface
[10:48] <gordonDrogon> ShotokanZH, this is a family-friendly channel - take that as a warning and please be carefuly.
[10:49] <gordonDrogon> ShotokanZH, channel rules: http://alturl.com/jc97e
[10:49] <Pinas> i just want to have it up and running asap and want my mum to be able to use it
[10:49] <ShotokanZH> gordonDrogon, sorry
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[10:50] <Jck_true> Pinas: Well the quickest simply running enable file listing on your webserver
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[10:57] <Pinas> hmm Jck_true that would be an idea - at least for now
[10:58] <markedathome> hi. can anyone tell me if /root/.rpi-firmware/* is a required directory or is it something that was left in the wheezy build by mistake?
[10:58] <nid0> its not required]
[10:58] <nid0> probably
[10:59] <markedathome> that is what I like, nice, clear and concise :-)
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[11:01] <ShotokanZH> markedathome, that "probably" is glacial xD
[11:01] <markedathome> it is gone, delivered unto the gods of flash by the invocation of rm -rf ./.rpi-firmware
[11:01] <nid0> well its not a folder I have on any of my pis, and I cant imagine why it'd possibly have anything neccesary in it, everything needed for firmware is in /boot
[11:02] <markedathome> could probably have been from something I unzipped to look at, or copied out from some sdk or something that I forgot about.
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[11:02] <markedathome> you know, or something...
[11:02] <ShotokanZH> nid0, cool is if .rpi-firmware was a loop mount of /
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[11:03] <nid0> well he specified directory, if its a symlink or mounted thats his problem :p
[11:03] <markedathome> would hope not, hmm ... maybe I should only mount my media server by r/o rather than r/w...
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[11:05] <linuxstb> markedathome: It's created by the rpi-update script I think
[11:06] <markedathome> as I have done a rm -rf ./* in the past (note the initial dot) I have a very strong "ls -la <dir>" before rm ever gets near my fingers. I happened to have been in the / directory rather than the other terminal where I had some temp code. On Solaris 2.5. where i was root. ... <oops>
[11:06] <ShotokanZH> linuxstb, currently downloading that http://omxplayer.sconde.net/builds/omxplayer_0.2.5~git20130326~5b369233_armhf.deb
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[11:07] <ShotokanZH> it's said it does work
[11:08] <ShotokanZH> linuxstb, 2 seconds delay, YAHOO
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[11:08] <ShotokanZH> linuxstb, love you dude :D
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[11:08] <markedathome> linuxstb: I have run the apt-get upgrade today for wheezy-12-12-09 or whichever was the one just before christmas, but the dir had a creation date of 31-dec-12. However I haven't run rpi-update (hexxeh's script) since feb.
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[11:12] <Pinas> Jck_true do you by case know something more "appealing" then just file listings ? :)
[11:13] <Jck_true> Pinas: I use XBMC so i don't really - But I think Plex has a web interface thing
[11:14] <Pinas> ok cool - I just found owncloud :)
[11:15] <Pinas> thank you :
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[11:18] <ShotokanZH> linuxstb, you still here? i've another question for you
[11:18] <linuxstb> ShotokanZH: Yep
[11:18] <ShotokanZH> linuxstb, all ok playing analog camera's stream
[11:19] <markedathome> anyone know where I can find a calibration image / background to correct overscan issues on a pal tv (or how to do it through initial console / startx)?
[11:19] <ShotokanZH> linuxstb, when i try to play a 1.3MPx stream, it gives me that error:
[11:19] <ShotokanZH> omxplayer.bin: utils/PCMRemap.cpp:457: PCMChannels* CPCMRemap::SetInputFormat(unsigned int, PCMChannels*, unsigned int, unsigned int): Assertion `sampleSize == 2' failed.
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[11:21] <linuxstb> ShotokanZH: That means there is an audio stream which isn't 16 bits per sample, and omxplayer can't handle that, so it dies.
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[11:24] <ShotokanZH> linuxstb, can i disable that? i don't want audio streams
[11:25] <linuxstb> ShotokanZH: I don't know. Try "omxplayer --help".
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[11:26] <ShotokanZH> linuxstb, seems not..
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[11:30] <LordDoskias> linuxstb, are you the guy that actually wrote the omtx app?
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[11:32] <linuxstb> LordDoskias: No, that's "dickon". I just put his code on github before he did it himself, so I then deleted my repository
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[11:50] <Haxxa> With Open ELEC and mpeg2 lisence how well can pi play vob files?
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[11:50] <Haxxa> or xbmc in general
[11:50] <Haxxa> I was going to convert all my library from mkv to vob on my server so they work with my ps3 too
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[12:17] <Ben64> Haxxa: if you use something like mkv2vob its still in mpeg4, not mpeg2
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[13:58] <daveZzZ> oh its someone from on here's tutorial
[13:58] <daveZzZ> loL
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[13:59] <Etheretic> hi :)
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[14:45] <Haxxa> My school is starting a Raspberry Pi Club...
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[14:49] <Tarraq> Haxxa: cool :)
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[14:50] <Haxxa> yer but bit basic, I am pretty experienced and its covering more of here is programming, this is a mosfet, this is motor etc.
[14:51] <Haxxa> So I find it hard to get excited but I guess I'm not the target audience... It's all about bringing people in...
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[15:32] <daveZzZ> can someone tell me how i'd set up linux to compile arm asm to the pi?
[15:32] <daveZzZ> or point to a tutorial for noobs?
[15:32] <daveZzZ> in fact, one second
[15:32] <SgrA> ARM assembler?
[15:33] <daveZzZ> aye
[15:33] <SgrA> binutils has GNU assembler.
[15:33] <SgrA> Which can be invoked with `as'.
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[15:34] <daveZzZ> im a linux noobalso btw
[15:34] <SgrA> Try to invoke 'as'?
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[15:36] <daveZzZ> sudo apt-get install build-essential im doin that atm
[15:36] <daveZzZ> in terminal, is that corrnet?
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[15:37] <daveZzZ> oops wrong thing, im just installing random stuff haha
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[15:37] <daveZzZ> installing gas
[15:37] <SgrA> Terminal, yes, and build-essential pulls in lot of useful stuff.
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[16:11] <daveZzZ> so is use > as arm.s
[16:11] <daveZzZ> to compile it?
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[16:17] <SgrA> daveZzZ: http://peterdn.com/post/e28098Hello-World!e28099-in-ARM-assembly.aspx
[16:17] <SgrA> Check out the "Assembling" section.
[16:18] <daveZzZ> already on it it, but i will have a look
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[16:20] <daveZzZ> lol i typed gss and it was like 'you need this' so i installed it ;/ and i have no idea what it does
[16:21] <SgrA> The assembler is 'as'.
[16:21] <Encrypt> BTW, le truc le plus gros que j'ai fait en C :
[16:21] <Encrypt> http://pastebin.com/fMvqF5fa
[16:21] <daveZzZ> aye but it's not workin, im on another tutorial atm
[16:21] <Encrypt> Wrong, channel sorry
[16:21] <daveZzZ> in fact, ill just do your tut
[16:21] <SgrA> "Not working" is not how you put it. :) Pastebin the error.
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[16:23] <daveZzZ> well, i just tried to do the tutorial that was to be compiled using yagarto so i probably did something wrong
[16:24] <daveZzZ> it is probably wrong* syntax .. although i dont know how toolchains work if their syntax differs etc.
[16:24] <daveZzZ> if i need to add things or what
[16:24] <SgrA> I haven't used Raspian ever, but on Arch Linux, pacman -S binutils did it.
[16:24] <SgrA> I'm sure Debian won't require any third party tools to install binutils.
[16:26] <SgrA> Oh wait.
[16:26] <SgrA> That tutorial uses a cross assembler.
[16:26] <SgrA> You just need to use as instead of arm-*-as
[16:26] <SgrA> daveZzZ: ^
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[16:28] <daveZzZ> oh im doin it on ubuntu
[16:29] <daveZzZ> i hrm im a proper nub today is day one of using linux
[16:29] <daveZzZ> i think i havent installed the correct thing, i got qemu set up
[16:30] <daveZzZ> this would mean i need a cross compiler?
[16:30] <daveZzZ> is that the term
[16:30] <SgrA> You're doing it on either a RPi or an emulator, right?
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[16:31] <daveZzZ> aye
[16:31] <SgrA> In that case, a cross compiler is not necessary.
[16:31] <daveZzZ> oh no, im trying to compile it in ubuntu
[16:31] <SgrA> In your terminal in on your RPi or an emulator, type 'as'.
[16:32] <SgrA> That should result in it waiting on a new line.
[16:33] <shiftplusone> daveZzZ, I strongly recommend you try to understand what you're doing and why rather than just follow steps blindly.
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[16:33] <SgrA> I second that.
[16:33] <daveZzZ> :D
[16:33] <Encrypt> shiftplusone, +1
[16:33] <daveZzZ> first time ive had to deal with an mcu w/e that doesnt have its own ide ;/
[16:34] <shiftplusone> Great learning experience, but you can't learn if you don't understand why you're doing....stuff.
[16:35] <shiftplusone> So you're running an emulator, but you're emulating an x86 system? In that case you need a cross-compiler.
[16:35] <daveZzZ> i undersatnd currently that i need to compile a kernel.img
[16:35] <shiftplusone> If you're using qemu to emulate a pi, then you don't.
[16:35] <SgrA> You can always use Python if you're getting started, no need to delve into assembly.
[16:35] <daveZzZ> ah k, but then how do i put a kernel on it
[16:35] <daveZzZ> no python
[16:35] <shiftplusone> daveZzZ, upi
[16:35] <daveZzZ> that's the thing, i got the line here to run the pi emu, but it requires a kernel.img
[16:35] <shiftplusone> * you're writting a bare metal kernel?
[16:35] <daveZzZ> that's what i want
[16:35] <shiftplusone> or a linux kernel?
[16:35] <daveZzZ> bare metal i believe its called for the pi
[16:35] <daveZzZ> yes
[16:36] <daveZzZ> i dont know all this terminology
[16:36] <shiftplusone> that's fine
[16:37] <shiftplusone> what you're doing is ok. Use a cross compiler on ubuntu to create the bare metal kernel, which you can then copy onto the sd card.
[16:37] <shiftplusone> and boot on a pi
[16:37] <shiftplusone> forget qemu for now.
[16:37] <daveZzZ> kk
[16:37] <SgrA> No need for an assembler either?
[16:38] <shiftplusone> Well, you sure as hell can't use python
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[16:38] <shiftplusone> daveZzZ, which tutorial are you following?
[16:38] <SgrA> Certainly not.
[16:39] <daveZzZ> now i know i need a cross compiler im lookin for one
[16:40] <shiftplusone> This should be fine http://www.mentor.com/embedded-software/sourcery-tools/sourcery-codebench/editions/lite-edition/
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[16:40] <shiftplusone> you want the ARM EABI release
[16:40] <shiftplusone> not the linux one.
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[16:41] <shiftplusone> daveZzZ, also, here are some bare metal examples you can try https://github.com/dwelch67/raspberrypi
[16:41] <daveZzZ> gone full circle back to code sourcery
[16:42] <daveZzZ> but not for windows this time
[16:42] <shiftplusone> Btw, ubuntu should have a cross compiler in the repo anyway
[16:42] <shiftplusone> the linaro one
[16:42] <daveZzZ> is it?
[16:42] <daveZzZ> ill google
[16:42] <shiftplusone> just search apt
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[16:44] <shiftplusone> apt-cache search gcc-arm and see if any 'unknown' comes up
[16:44] <daveZzZ> no unknowns, finds gcc-arm .
[16:45] <daveZzZ> C compiler
[16:45] <shiftplusone> ok, doesn't matter then. The exact cross compiler is the last of your concerns right now, it won't make any difference to you. Just grab the codesourcery one and try to compile one of the dwelch67 examples.
[16:45] <daveZzZ> kk
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[16:49] <shiftplusone> I'll go through the steps myself now to make sure I am not leading you to a dead end though. Just a sec.
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[16:59] <shiftplusone> daveZzZ, yup, the blinker example compiles and runs just fine.
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[17:02] * ozzzy is back into serial port hell
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[17:03] <shiftplusone> ozzzy, RS232 or pi's UART?
[17:03] <ozzzy> both LOL
[17:03] <shiftplusone> connecting the two?
[17:04] <ozzzy> the pi's uart works... the max3232 breakout works... the Pi can talk to my desktop minicom-minicom... the Pi can talk to my autoguider using a usb-serial dongle... the Pi can't talk to the autoguider using ttyAMA0
[17:04] <ozzzy> it's very odd
[17:04] <shiftplusone> hm =/
[17:04] <ozzzy> yep
[17:04] <ozzzy> things that make you go 'hmmmmm'
[17:05] <shiftplusone> heh
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[17:08] <shiftplusone> Get a logic analyzer in there maybe?
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[17:11] <psiklops> Hi
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[17:12] <ozzzy> that's what everyone says LOL
[17:13] <shiftplusone> Seems like a logical step.
[17:13] <shiftplusone> Unless you mean everyone says 'Hi'
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[17:13] <shiftplusone> Which wouldn't make much sense
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[17:14] * IT_Sean informs ozzzy that the correct way to end a sentence is with "." not "LOL" :p
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[17:15] <shiftplusone> Don't go all #python up in here D=
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[17:15] <ozzzy> IT_Sean: now that depends... there are many ways to end a sentence
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[17:28] <Davespice> ozzzy: I think you might need to swap over the Tx and Rx lines when you go from the max3232 board to the autoguider
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[17:29] <Davespice> this is a problem gordonDrogon was explaining to me the other day as it happens
[17:29] <Davespice> can you do it with a null modem cable, if you've got one
[17:29] <ozzzy> Davespice: tried both a straight through and null modem cable
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[17:30] <gordonDrogon> you need to swap the pins /after/ the max2323 board.
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[17:31] <Davespice> yeah I thought that you could get away with just swapping the pins at the gpio, but that tx-rx relationship is only for the Pi to the max3232, the db9 side of the module always has a fixed tx rx regardless of how the pins on the gpio are
[17:32] <ozzzy> and the max3232 works
[17:32] <Davespice> I wonder if any pins need to be shorted...
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[17:33] <ozzzy> an ellipsis is fine to end a sentence with
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[17:33] <ozzzy> now... THAT syntax was ugly
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[17:35] <gordonDrogon> .oO( wouldn't short any pins for now )Oo.
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[17:44] <Davespice> I presume a clue by four is a special length of 2x4 endowed with the powers to make me understand why my modem doesn't work? ;)
[17:44] <Davespice> if so can you hit me some more? :)
[17:44] <gordonDrogon> it tends to make the problem "go away" from the other persons point of view...
[17:45] <Davespice> you mean the person being pestered for the answer?
[17:45] <Davespice> or the person with the problem?
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[17:46] <yggdrasil> good day gents!
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[17:48] <fongseiyuc> Hi! Has ogg123 worked for anybody out of the box on current Raspian? Or is omxplayer the only way of playing such files ?
[17:49] <fongseiyuc> Should ogg123 work, would it be possible to point to documention please ?
[17:49] <ozzzy> should work
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[17:50] <fongseiyuc> ozzzy, its works here too ... i just can't hear anything
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[17:51] <fongseiyuc> ozzzy, as soon as i do $ omxplayer -o local foo.ogg ... i hear it all
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[17:53] <gbaman> Anyone know if using piezzo with the pis PWM will work to make multiple tones?
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[17:56] <SpeedEvil> yes
[17:56] <SpeedEvil> but you will need a resistor
[17:56] <gbaman> ok, go on...
[17:57] <gbaman> I already have it hooked up through a motor controller so I can give it more juice
[17:58] <SpeedEvil> what sort of pezio device?
[17:59] <gbaman> small 9v piezo speaker
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[18:00] <SpeedEvil> Does it have red and black leads?
[18:00] <gbaman> yes
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[18:00] <SpeedEvil> It is likely to not be a bare pezio device, but a buzzer, with a self-contained driving circuit.
[18:00] <SpeedEvil> You cannot make multiple tones with it.
[18:01] <SpeedEvil> You can pulse it on and off.
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[18:01] <gbaman> sigh
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[18:02] <gbaman> might have one of these somewhere too http://www.rapidonline.com/Audio-Visual/5cm-Mini-speaker-with-plastic-diaphragm-73504
[18:02] <gbaman> or similar to that
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[18:04] <SpeedEvil> That sort of thing will work, but you may need other components, depending on what you're driving.
[18:04] <SpeedEvil> What is your motor controller?
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[18:05] <gordonDrogon> gbaman, it'll work fine. no resistors needed.
[18:05] <gbaman> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/L298N-DC-Stepper-Motor-Dual-H-Bridge-Drive-Controller-Board-Module-for-Arduino-/140991285394?pt=UK_BOI_Industrial_Automation_Control_ET&hash=item20d3bc4892
[18:05] <gordonDrogon> gbaman, see the softTone library in wiringPi for an easy to use example...
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[18:05] <gbaman> I need it to be controlled from python, for a school workshop :)
[18:06] <gbaman> plan is for them to make tones based on distance with ultrasonic sensor
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[18:06] <gordonDrogon> and this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0lyxdvDuVY although that uses an 80Ω speaker.
[18:06] <SpeedEvil> It may fry it.
[18:06] <gordonDrogon> a piezo disc type won't fry anything.
[18:06] <SpeedEvil> gbaman: Ah - that runs into seperate issues.
[18:06] <SpeedEvil> gordonDrogon: the later thing posted was an 8 ohm speaker
[18:07] <SpeedEvil> That risks being destroyed if you apply DC 5V across it.
[18:07] <SpeedEvil> (Assuming it can't deal with 3W or so of heat.
[18:07] <gordonDrogon> ah, yes, that little speaker - 8Ω - don't use..
[18:07] <SpeedEvil> gbaman: Speakers don't really produce much ultrasound.
[18:07] <SpeedEvil> gbaman: of that sort. What are you trying to do?
[18:07] <Datalink-M> Heh, I actually have to set up a Pi for use as a slideshow presenter for my city
[18:08] * gordonDrogon suspects just make the tone high to low proportional to distance detected by a separate ultrasonic unit...
[18:08] <grandie> fU
[18:08] <gbaman> gordon is right there
[18:09] <grandie> sorry about that was in another program
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[18:09] <gbaman> and I have no idea what power the speaker unit is, was just using that as an example of the type
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[18:09] <SpeedEvil> gbaman: What are you trying to do. Using a conventional speaker for ranging has issues.
[18:10] <gbaman> I am wanting to use a simple speaker like the one I linked to, with the raspberry pi, which will change its tone depending on how far the kids hand is from the ultrasonic sensor
[18:10] <SpeedEvil> gbaman: how far do you want it to be?
[18:11] <SpeedEvil> And what do you mean by 'ultrasonic sensor' ?
[18:11] <gbaman> ultrasonic rangefinding sensor
[18:11] <SpeedEvil> You have a seprate one?
[18:11] <gbaman> but the ultrasonic part is already sorted
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[18:11] <gbaman> have a pile of these http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HC-SR04-Ultrasonic-Sensor-Module-Detector-Ranging-Module-SR04-/130926346077?pt=UK_BOI_Electrical_Components_Supplies_ET&hash=item1e7bd17f5d
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[18:12] <SpeedEvil> gbaman: Ah - then yes - you can simply use - perhaps with a resistor - a similar speaker to the above and a h-bridge or something to make noises.
[18:12] <gbaman> speedevil: why do I need a resistor?
[18:12] <Datalink-M> Sparkfun has a whole selection of serial readable rangefinders
[18:12] <SpeedEvil> gbaman: Because the speaker may melt if you do not use one.
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[18:13] <gbaman> ?
[18:13] <SpeedEvil> gbaman: Also, it's likely to be too loud.
[18:13] <gbaman> now that is correct :)
[18:13] <gbaman> it already is quite loud :)
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[18:14] <gordonDrogon> HC-SR04 - great little toys.
[18:14] <gordonDrogon> loads of people using the HC-SR04's on their Pi's.
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[18:14] <gordonDrogon> loads of people not realising the signals are at 5v and not 3.3v too...
[18:15] <SpeedEvil> Boom!
[18:15] <gordonDrogon> yet they seem to get away with it.
[18:15] <gordonDrogon> the input pin is 5v, so a resistor pair is fine. but the trigger pin.... that's pulled up to 5v on the sensor module...
[18:16] <SpeedEvil> In practice, pullyps are unlikely to kill chips.
[18:16] <SpeedEvil> At least passive ones
[18:16] <gordonDrogon> and most people just blindly connect it to theie Pi's. Actually, probably everyone that I've seen.
[18:16] <SpeedEvil> Is it good practice - no.
[18:16] <gbaman> so.... I should do what with these ultrasonic sensors to not blow up pis, I have already blown one pi this week, would prefer not to blow some more?
[18:16] <SpeedEvil> On the other hand, it's quite easy to fix in most cases. You simply add a pulldown, so the max output voltage becomes correct
[18:17] <Datalink-M> gordonDrogon, I usually avoid direct connect unless it's my blinkm
[18:17] <Datalink-M> Since I2C pins have the pullups
[18:17] <gordonDrogon> nothing wrong with direct connecting.
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[18:19] <gbaman> also, couldnt find any speakers, can grab a spare tomorrow but found 3 bits, are any of these any use for me to test?
[18:19] <gbaman> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1122948/temp/Photo%2013-06-2013%2017%2017%2018.jpg
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[18:20] <peemox> Hey guys, lets say I have a fresh install and I want to change the pi username to another username, what would you do?
[18:20] <maxinux> you can simply add a new user as root
[18:20] <maxinux> sudo adduser <username>
[18:21] <shiftplusone> You'll want to throw some groups in there
[18:21] <Datalink-M> I edit passwd files, group files and move the directory
[18:21] <maxinux> gpasswd -a <username> <groups>
[18:21] <maxinux> passwd + shadow ..
[18:21] <maxinux> but thats far riskier
[18:21] <peemox> Let's say I want it to be the same user though, same files and everything.
[18:21] <Datalink-M> Yeah, but can be done
[18:21] <peemox> I don't know which groups are needed and which aren't.
[18:21] <shiftplusone> before you do any of that, set a root password, so that you can log in as root if (when) you mess thing sup.
[18:21] <shiftplusone> *things up
[18:22] <mgottschlag> gbaman: everything is usable when you know how to wire it up
[18:22] <gbaman> Usable to generate tones mgottschlag
[18:22] <peemox> I'm not worried about messing up I could just fresh install again.
[18:22] <mgottschlag> so, you wired them to some voltage and tried out?
[18:22] <mgottschlag> (measure resistance first though)
[18:23] <gbaman> did you read the conversation I had a min ago with gordon and speed?
[18:23] <maxinux> newuser=NEWUSERNAMEHERE for i in /etc/group /etc/passwd /etc/shadow;do cat $i|sed 's/^pi/$newuser/g' > $i.new;mv $i.new $i;mv $i.new $i;mv /home/pi /home/$newuser
[18:23] <maxinux> ;done
[18:23] <mgottschlag> only the part about ultrasonic sensors, I thought it was all about those :)
[18:24] <gbaman> speedEvil: Found one with yellow and black cables
[18:24] <peemox> So without adding a new user is it possible to change pi username?
[18:24] <gbaman> look up a bit further mgottschlag
[18:24] <maxinux> actually dont run that
[18:24] <maxinux> one error
[18:24] <maxinux> newuser=NEWUSERNAMEHERE for i in /etc/group /etc/passwd /etc/shadow;do cat $i|sed 's/pi/$newuser/g' > $i.new;mv $i.new $i;mv $i.new $i;mv /home/pi /home/$newuser;done
[18:24] <maxinux> ^ would have had it miss the group file
[18:24] <maxinux> that will print a mv error twice but will work
[18:24] <peemox> But how do you know all the groups to use and such, it seems like another rabbit hole to go down, I'm just trying to do this simple as possible and understand it.
[18:25] <BurtyB> you can't just use usermod ?
[18:25] <maxinux> groups are set in /etc/group
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[18:25] <peemox> I tried usermod but it didn't seem to work.
[18:25] <maxinux> usermod -l .. yes you can
[18:25] <maxinux> lol
[18:25] <Datalink-M> BurtyB, I was trying to think what options would be needed but I tend to just edit by hand
[18:25] <maxinux> usermod -m -l newlogin oldlogin
[18:25] <maxinux> /etc/group /etc/passwd /etc/shadow
[18:25] <peemox> But can you use usermod on the user you are logged in as?
[18:25] <maxinux> sure, it wont take effect till you log out
[18:26] <gbaman> GordonDrogon and SpeedEvil: Any idea if any of those will work for making different tones?
[18:26] <maxinux> and root has to run it anyways
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[18:26] <peemox> Ok maxinux I'm going to give it a try without ssh or anything and just doing usermod while logged in as pi.
[18:26] <Datalink-M> I'd run usermod as root
[18:27] <peemox> I thought you can't log into the root without doing some configuration?
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[18:27] <Datalink-M> You may need root peemox
[18:27] <maxinux> sudo == as root
[18:27] <maxinux> will be sufficient
[18:28] <maxinux> you will retain your userid
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[18:28] <maxinux> you are only changing a mapping to a name
[18:28] <Datalink-M> peemox: sudo passwd
[18:28] <peemox> Only one way to find out! Brb testing.
[18:28] <Datalink-M> peemox, lets you set root's password
[18:28] <peemox> Datalink-M: And if I logout of pi user account how do I login as root/
[18:29] <peemox> Just username root / password like normal login?
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[18:29] <Datalink-M> peemox, yes, local machine login
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[18:32] <Encrypt> "Attempting to directly connect to any 5V logic system will very likely result in tears…"
[18:33] <Encrypt> On wiringpi.com :D
[18:33] <Datalink-M> Encrypt, yeah, I think gordonDrogon and I have said that a few times (hint, his site)
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[18:34] <Encrypt> Okay... :)
[18:34] <Encrypt> I'm trying to make a shutdown script thanks to GPIO
[18:35] <Encrypt> (The Pi would shut down thanks to GPIO commands)
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[18:35] <Datalink-M> But yeah, the GPIO is 3.3 ttl logic, use of anything over is... well I'm still amazed I haven't fried my Pi yet
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[18:36] <rigid> ahoy
[18:37] <peemox> Can a username be the same name as the hostname? Or would that not work for some reason?
[18:37] <rigid> I suppose the small power USB port on the raspi is not usable as serial port, is it?
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[18:37] <rigid> peemox: linux username == hostname?
[18:37] <Datalink-M> peemox, that is legal
[18:37] <peemox> Like could I be peemox@peemox
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[18:37] <rigid> yes
[18:37] <peemox> Ok.
[18:37] <rigid> only a retarded OS would prohibit this :)
[18:38] <Datalink-M> Yes, user name just needs to not match another
[18:38] <gordonDrogon> gbaman, sorry - any of what? You need a little piezo disc speaker or a high imedance speker, or an 8 ohm one with a driver transsitor..
[18:38] <Datalink-M> Even MS allows it
[18:38] <rigid> + usernames are case sensitive... so you can have a Peemox user and a peemox user
[18:38] <gordonDrogon> Encrypt, gpio wfi 0 falling ; halt
[18:38] <peemox> So I run the usermod, and it says "invalid" for the 1, then it lists a bunch of options which don't make much sense to me.
[18:38] <gordonDrogon> Encrypt, then pull line 0 low.
[18:38] <rigid> although i wouldn't be surprised if that triggers bugs since no one does this :)
[18:39] <peemox> Happens when I run as root or as the user I try to change the name of.
[18:39] <Datalink-M> Rigid, you underestimate people
[18:39] <Datalink-M> peemox, pastebin command and error if you can?
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[18:39] <peemox> usermod -l newname -d newname -m oldname
[18:40] <peemox> Yes sure one second.
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[18:40] <rigid> Datalink-M: maybe, but I doubt this beeing very common... on the other hand i couldn't imagine a bug triggered by this since i wouldn't know of anything that is case insensitive by default in linux
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[18:40] <Datalink-M> rigid, it's not common, I think a friend did it to have 2 login environments
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[18:41] <gbaman> gordonDrogon: do any of these look like they may be able to generate tones? https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1122948/temp/Photo%2013-06-2013%2017%2017%2018.jpg
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[18:42] <rigid> hm... i suppose connecting to the pin header is the only way to get a serial console, or is there another?
[18:42] <Datalink-M> A usb dongle
[18:42] <Datalink-M> Or bluetooth with configuration
[18:42] <Datalink-M> Ssh is also an option
[18:42] <rigid> usb dongle?
[18:43] <Datalink-M> Usb serial adaptor
[18:43] <gbaman> ssh does work quite nicely for most things I ever need it for
[18:43] <rigid> Datalink-M: i mean a real serial console where I can follow the bootloader, bootprocess and everything
[18:43] <Datalink-M> Oh, no
[18:43] <rigid> i have a model A without network :-/
[18:43] <Datalink-M> Unless it was low in kernel
[18:43] <Datalink-M> Wifi dongles are cheap
[18:43] <Datalink-M> Mine is a B and has wifi
[18:43] <rigid> yeah... i'm planning to use this later
[18:43] <peemox> Here is what I get when I run the usermod : http://pastebin.com/0MQU4zv9
[18:44] <rigid> peemox: i guess -1 must be -l (L not one)
[18:44] <peemox> Oh lord...
[18:44] <rigid> some font designers must be whipped :)
[18:44] <Datalink-M> peemox, -d needs a full path
[18:45] <rigid> not if he wants to use cwd
[18:45] <Encrypt> gordonDrogon, I'll have a look ;)
[18:45] <Datalink-M> ....
[18:45] <Datalink-M> Cwd is kinda risky on this op
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[18:45] <rigid> yeah
[18:46] <FR^2> hmm. That raspberry pi camera is not that bad :)
[18:46] <Datalink-M> FR^2, I have been eyeing it, how's the resolution?
[18:46] * Datalink-M also wants to make a composite to that video type converter
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[18:47] <rigid> did someone try to use the S2 and S5 ports?
[18:47] <FR^2> Datalink-M: Oh, I don't have one, I'm sorry to say. But the information about it really seems interesting
[18:47] <Datalink-M> Oh
[18:47] <Datalink-M> Tease
[18:47] <FR^2> That was'n my intention, really.
[18:47] <peemox> It worked!
[18:47] <peemox> Thanks for the help guys.
[18:47] <rigid> FR^2: most cameras in current android phones are better (just tried the samsung galaxy S3 one) ...
[18:48] <rigid> one should try to get it to run on the raspi, which surely isn't trivial
[18:48] <peemox> As a note, if you are logged in as the user it won't work you have to log in as root.
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[18:48] <rigid> peemox: ...or use "sudo" i guess
[18:48] <peemox> I tried sudo and got the same erorr.
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[18:48] <rigid> ah ok... could be
[18:49] <peemox> That the process was in use or something along those lines
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[18:49] <Datalink-M> rigid, user in use blocks, oddly enough
[18:49] <FR^2> rigid: Currently I'm "using" a Logitech QuickCam Pro 9000 (USB)
[18:49] <Datalink-M> Files in use
[18:49] <rigid> peemox: maybe because you are still in your homedir... "cd / && sudo usermod ..." could have worked
[18:49] <Datalink-M> FR^2, yeah I need to set one up
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[18:49] <peemox> rigid: Oh.
[18:50] <Datalink-M> peemox, are you in X?
[18:50] <Datalink-M> Or console?
[18:50] <rigid> FR^2: can this one do 1080p video? I guess it's much bigger than the raspi camera
[18:50] <FR^2> Hmm. Reminds me, I could put one raspi to my mother's with a cam and use the same setup here for video telephony.
[18:50] <peemox> console.
[18:50] <Datalink-M> Ok, hm
[18:50] <FR^2> rigid: No, it can't. video resolution is something like 720p or such
[18:50] <FR^2> rigid: I think it's even lower. Not sure.
[18:50] <rigid> phone cameras are really the best on the market in terms of size/resolution
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[18:51] <rigid> but they all use proprietary protocols and need lots of hacking, even if android
[18:51] <rigid> although the S3 uses v4l2 under the hood
[18:53] <rigid> argh... i only have a 2GB SD card here :-/
[18:53] <FR^2> rigid: Okay, testing the quickcam pro 9000 right now, but on my desktop. about 6.5 fps average at a resolution of 1600x1200, so I was wrong, it can do 1080p
[18:53] <rigid> i guess that's not enough to build a .deb on the rpi
[18:53] <gordonDrogon> gbaman, yes - the white disc things ought to be fine - will sound very 'tinny' though :)
[18:53] <rigid> FR^2: "can" ... 6.5 fps is hardly HD video ;)
[18:53] <rigid> (HD specs)
[18:54] <FR^2> riddle: Well, it's HD, but not video *G*
[18:54] <rigid> yeah, and much more than 1080p ... still nice tho
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[18:54] <rigid> FR^2: that'll be _awesome_ for timelapse :)
[18:54] <FR^2> rigid: 15.50 fps at 800x600
[18:54] <rigid> ...or lasertraq
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[18:54] <rigid> lasertraq works fine with 10 fps
[18:55] <gbaman> gordonDrogon, So the 2 white buzzers should be able to do it, any idea how do it with python
[18:55] <FR^2> rigid: I have one pointed at a construction site (not sure what it's called correclty) in front of my house, using m-jpeg...
[18:55] <peemox> So now that I set a password and I can log into root is there any way to remove that?
[18:55] <FR^2> rigid: And I wanted to use another one for reading the power meter
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[18:56] <rigid> FR^2: construction site timelapse are _awesome_ ... if it's nice you can sell it to the one who owns the site afterwards
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[18:56] <peemox> Reading something like this "Debian's root does not have a password and is inactive - you cannot login to it or su to root. You should not change this, as it is a security risk and sudo is more secure." tells me I should remove it or not use it, since I'm such a newbie still.
[18:56] <rigid> FR^2: i wouldn't use compression tho... i always did timelapse doing 99% jpegs to get the best quality/size gain
[18:56] <FR^2> rigid: The city's local public transport :)
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[18:56] <FR^2> rigid: Not bad, that idea.
[18:56] <rigid> FR^2: they can put it on their website
[18:57] <rigid> FR^2: no problem, gimme 2% :-P
[18:57] <FR^2> rigid: But I shut it down because you can see me sitting at my desk, mirrored by the window :)
[18:57] <Datalink-M> peemox, just use sudo, don't stay root
[18:57] <Encrypt> gordonDrogon, You made cool stuff :)
[18:57] <FR^2> rigid: I would have to put it into a weather-secure box or such ;)
[18:57] <gordonDrogon> Encrypt, thanks.
[18:57] <rigid> FR^2: you have to do postproduction anyway... just blur it out or remove the frames or whatever
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[18:58] <rigid> yeah... ruggedized raspi shouldn't be too hard
[18:58] <FR^2> rigid: Hehe, in the evening, not a chance, unless I turn off the lights and the screen *g*
[18:58] <Datalink-M> It's a "don't stand in front of the tracks" warning, peemox, if you're smart enough not to use root for day to day operations, you are fine
[18:59] <peemox> I found it.
[18:59] <rigid> FR^2: you need another location then
[18:59] <peemox> I understand what you are saying but I still like to know the specific answer.
[18:59] <peemox> It's "sudo passwd -l root"
[18:59] <peemox> Then you can't log into root anymore I believe.
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[19:00] <Datalink-M> peemox, yeah, if you want, I keep my roots usable, just not over SSH, saved me a bunch of times
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[19:01] <peemox> How do you have them usable but not over SSH?
[19:01] <Datalink-M> peemox, sshd's config file
[19:02] <Encrypt> gordonDrogon, I have various things I need to do with the C program
[19:02] <Datalink-M> Allow_root=false I think
[19:02] <FR^2> rigid: Well, yes - outside on the window sill ;)
[19:02] <rigid> permit_root_login=no
[19:02] <Encrypt> gordonDrogon, Switching a pin to "always on" and two other pins would restart or shut down the Pi
[19:02] <Datalink-M> Rigid has the actual
[19:02] <rigid> but i guess "passwd -l root" is also smart to do... i wonder if "sudo su -" still works then
[19:03] <FR^2> rigid: Hehe, and since english is not my native language I just had looked up "window sill", but it's correct :)
[19:03] <Datalink-M> rigid, it does, as does sudo -i
[19:03] <Encrypt> gordonDrogon, You say we have to call "wiringPiSetup (void) ;" with root privileges
[19:03] <Encrypt> How can this be possible in a C program ?
[19:03] <rigid> FR^2: that's the best way to learn english ;)
[19:03] <gordonDrogon> Encrypt, you sudo the program.
[19:03] <Encrypt> Do I just need to execute the output of gcc with sudo?
[19:03] <Datalink-M> Encrypt, sudo?
[19:04] <Encrypt> Ok :p
[19:04] <rigid> or you fork a sudo system() call
[19:04] <gordonDrogon> Encrypt, you can call wiringPiSetupSys() which doesn't need root, but then you need to export the pins with the gpio program first.
[19:04] <Encrypt> Any system command would be executed as root then?
[19:04] <gordonDrogon> sudo ./myprog
[19:04] <gordonDrogon> just that program.
[19:04] <rigid> ehrm... that would need suid i guess... which is bad practice iirc
[19:04] <Encrypt> gordonDrogon, Ya, but since I need to shutdown and restart the pi thanks to GPIO
[19:04] <gbaman> gordonDrogon, So the 2 white buzzers should be able to do it, any idea how do it with python
[19:05] <gordonDrogon> Encrypt, to shutdown you need root anyway.
[19:05] <Encrypt> I need to execute it as root :)
[19:05] <Encrypt> Ya :)
[19:05] <gordonDrogon> gbaman, no idea how to do it with python, sorry.
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[19:05] <gbaman> this is going to be interesting then...
[19:05] <gordonDrogon> you can do it in a shell script with the gpio program, then run that script as root.
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[19:05] <FR^2> rigid: My problem is listening to english on DVD or TV is no big deal, neither is reading or writing. But talking... ouh :)
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[19:06] <rigid> FR^2: that's why IRC is good to learn...
[19:06] <rigid> ...you have time to look stuff up
[19:06] <FR^2> okay, guys (and girls???) I'm feeling lucky today. I'm soldering an SO-8 chip. Wish me luck.
[19:06] <FR^2> rigid: indeed.
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[19:12] * gryphraff offers FR^2 a microscope and tiny tiny soldering iron
[19:12] <rigid> FR^2: do you have solder wick?
[19:13] <gryphraff> Bleah.
[19:13] <FR^2> rigid: What's that?
[19:13] <rigid> google it
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[19:13] <FR^2> And btw. Thanks :) It worked. I only did one of the eight pins a bit ugly, and this is my first time using the soldering iron for quite some time :)
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[19:14] <rigid> FR^2: with solder wick and Zinc chloride it's very very easy to do... you can even solder TSSOP properly with that technique
[19:14] <Datalink-M> FR^2, copper braid that sponges up soldier when soldier is heated
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[19:14] <rigid> *solder
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[19:15] <Datalink-M> Pfft
[19:15] <FR^2> Datalink-M: Yes, you're right. I don't have that, yet.
[19:15] <rigid> :)
[19:15] <Datalink-M> It's a standard tool in my kit
[19:15] <FR^2> rigid: Zinc? Sn 60, Pb 38, Cu 2... really bad for health, I know... ;)
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[19:16] <FR^2> Datalink-M: I'll buy some soon. I know it's quite handy, or even necessary.
[19:16] <rigid> FR^2: you can try... it's not expensive... just wet contacts of the PCB and chip with a tiny bit of zink chloride (q-tip), then place the chip and put a blob of solder on everything. afterwards suck the solder away with the wick... clean pcb with pcb cleaner -> done
[19:16] <rigid> FR^2: it's not that bad... and you're not meant to drink it ;)
[19:16] <rigid> solder fumes of leaded solder are much worse
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[19:17] <FR^2> rigid: You sure? I cuddle with all my self-soldered circuitry in bed at night! ;)
[19:17] <rigid> hehe
[19:17] <Datalink-M> Mmmm, lead exposure
[19:18] <gryphraff> At some large telco that used to exist, they always preached "keep your iron below 800F to keep lead to a minimum"
[19:18] <Encrypt> gordonDrogon, On te "Blink" example, your wrote : "for (;;)"
[19:18] <Encrypt> gordonDrogon, Is this a "while(1)" function .
[19:18] <Encrypt> ?
[19:18] <gordonDrogon> Encrypt, yes.
[19:18] <Encrypt> Ok :p
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[19:18] <Encrypt> I hadn't seen tha before :p
[19:18] <gordonDrogon> I read it as forever ...
[19:19] <rigid> "#define ever (;;)"
[19:19] <gordonDrogon> I've been using it.. forever.
[19:19] <Datalink-M> gordonDrogon , doesn't that use logic checks despite the blank parens?
[19:19] <FR^2> gryphraff: What's 800�F in centigrades approximately?
[19:20] <gordonDrogon> Datalink-M, it shoudn't. sone old C compilers would evaluate the (1) in while (1) though, but I'm fairly sure the optimisers now are good enough.
[19:20] <rigid> FR^2: http://www.google.de/search?q=800F+to+C
[19:20] <Datalink-M> Ah ok
[19:20] <chithead> if you build your code with -O0 then even latest gcc will
[19:21] <Encrypt> gordonDrogon, Btw, is the 3V3 output always on even is the Pi is shut down?
[19:21] <Encrypt> I think you told me you didn't know...
[19:21] <gordonDrogon> Encrypt, I don't know.
[19:21] <gordonDrogon> still don't know :)
[19:21] <Encrypt> Ok :p
[19:21] <Encrypt> I was doubting...
[19:21] <rigid> Encrypt: it should, the voltage regulator had to be switched otherwise
[19:21] <gordonDrogon> I suspect the go high impedance, but I'd not like to trust it.
[19:22] <Encrypt> rigid, Ya, I think it's directly connected to the Power source...
[19:22] <rigid> yeah, anything else wouldn't make sense really
[19:22] <FR^2> rigid: Aw, come on! :)
[19:22] <FR^2> Is it that bad to use the metrical system? ^^
[19:22] <gryphraff> Sorry, didn't see the question. 426C
[19:22] <rigid> FR^2: what you mean?
[19:23] <gryphraff> I see a link too :/
[19:23] <FR^2> Hmm. My soldering iron goes up to about 450�C
[19:23] <rigid> FR^2: this is an international chat and there are 2 countries in this world who still use imperial... don't blame me
[19:23] <FR^2> gryphraff: Thanks :)
[19:23] <FR^2> rigid: *g*
[19:23] <gryphraff> I always took that number with a lot of salt.
[19:23] <FR^2> rigid: Habits are hard to get rid of :)
[19:23] <rigid> ...teach them to fish ... now you always know how to convert F->C quickly ;)
[19:24] <rigid> FR^2: yeah, like thinking the world is flat or sumthin' :D
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[19:24] <FR^2> rigid: I'm reading a lot of Terry Pratchett's discworld novels btw ;)
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[19:25] <gryphraff> Where I'm at now we keep our irons under 371C unless there's a ground plane to solder
[19:25] <rigid> FR^2: pratchett also hates the imperial system ;)
[19:25] <gryphraff> Who doesn't?
[19:25] <IT_Sean> Heh
[19:26] <rigid> lead starts to vaporize at 1744°C so I wonder what keeping below 426°C would help...
[19:26] <rigid> melting happens at 327,43°C
[19:26] <FR^2> gryphraff: Good to know. I placed the thing at about 350�C
[19:27] <Datalink-M> I'm switching to lead free, need to find an iron still
[19:27] * FR^2 .oO( what's the correct phrase? "to adjust" probably... )
[19:27] <rigid> i had to do quite some research to find decent lead-free solder
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[19:28] <rigid> FR^2: "set"
[19:28] <rigid> i guess adjust is also fine
[19:28] <Datalink-M> I found it at ratshack
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[19:29] <FR^2> rigid: Thanks :) Of course. The most easy phrases don't come to mind :)
[19:29] <gryphraff> I participated in a study when I was interning at GE, had a company come in with shoulder mount vacuums to check for lead in the air. At normal temps (under 700F) there was very little lead collected.
[19:29] <Datalink-M> Month after next I want to start a few projects
[19:29] <gordonDrogon> what kind of solder do you have that melts at 327 degrees??
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[19:29] <Datalink-M> gordonDrogon, pure lead, I guess
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[19:30] <gordonDrogon> Datalink-M, nornal lead solder melts at about 190C
[19:30] <Datalink-M> Oh....
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[19:30] <Datalink-M> Blah, out of practice...
[19:31] <Datalink-M> I was gonna increase my iron in 50C increments till I found a good melt
[19:33] <FR^2> gryphraff: Any checks above that temperature?
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[19:34] <gryphraff> No.
[19:35] <gryphraff> We only paid to have checks done at normal operating conditions.
[19:35] <gryphraff> It was mostly because we had some nattering nannies complaining about the fumes. The area itself was an old printshop and the floor had so many chemicals soaked in, you couldn't clean it.
[19:35] <gryphraff> So their complaints were sort of silly.
[19:36] <FR^2> okay
[19:36] <gordonDrogon> My iron is set at about 300C
[19:36] <Datalink-M> Lead free?
[19:36] <gordonDrogon> however it's not the best one in the world. saving up to buy a new one.
[19:36] <FR^2> Ha, soon I'll finally try out a i2c-to-1wire bus master... I've been talking about that even half a year ago :)
[19:36] <gordonDrogon> I don't use lead-free solder...
[19:37] <gryphraff> Lead free solder never flows well. I lurve my 60/40
[19:37] <Datalink-M> FR^2, cool
[19:37] <Datalink-M> gryphraff, I have to consider RoHS for my plans
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[19:38] <gryphraff> Yes, that's a pretty common thing these days. Almost all of the commercial products we use are RoHS certified.
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[19:38] <Datalink-M> Europe requires it
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[19:39] <IT_Sean> RoHS is a pain in the bum.
[19:39] <gryphraff> I think the last things we made that were not were spaceflight qualified meters. No-lead solder can be bad in space.
[19:39] <gryphraff> But that was many many years ago
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[19:39] <Encrypt> gordonDrogon, If I want to execute the shutdown command, should I check every second the value of the GPIO Pin set as an input?
[19:39] <Datalink-M> Ah, really?
[19:40] <Encrypt> It seems kind of "overkilled" to me :p
[19:40] <gryphraff> No-lead solder tends to whisker in a non-earth environment. Little tiny wires are bad when mixed with electricity. The tiniest amount of lead added to the mix pretty much prevents that.
[19:41] <Datalink-M> Hm, ok, I'll be applying a coating if I send something into space then
[19:42] <Datalink-M> Or use the wall candy grade solder
[19:42] <gryphraff> mmmmm candy. Clean well, skin oil is corrosive in a vacuum
[19:42] <Datalink-M> Rgr
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[19:43] <Datalink-M> Gotta love the vacuum crazies
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[19:43] <gryphraff> I'll stay at Earth Normal, if possible
[19:43] <gordonDrogon> Encrypt, if you want. or you could wait for an interrupt.
[19:44] <Encrypt> What are you calling "an interrupt" ?
[19:44] <gordonDrogon> a transition from high to low (or vice versa)
[19:44] <Datalink-M> Whiskers, corrosives, some benign stuff does non-benign things
[19:44] <ozzzy> probably an interrupt
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[19:45] <Datalink-M> Encrypt, processor flag to pay attention to hardware, often called IRQs in old hardware
[19:45] <gryphraff> Yeah, sending things into orbit requires pretty much forgetting everything you know about how it works.
[19:45] <Encrypt> But we can notice this kind of transition without CPU usage?
[19:45] <Datalink-M> gryphraff, heh
[19:45] <Encrypt> Datalink-M, Ok...
[19:46] <FR^2> Come to think of it, I don't even have insulaton stripping tongs
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[19:46] <Datalink-M> FR^2, I usually use xacto or wire cutters
[19:47] <FR^2> ribbon cable :/
[19:47] <yggdrasil> dangit. im having a hard time getting my realtek usb wireless adatper to work with mypi
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[19:48] <Datalink-M> FR^2, xacto, wire cutter at times
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[19:50] <FR^2> Datalink-M: Solution found: Another crimp connector :)
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[19:50] <Datalink-M> Heh
[19:51] * ozzzy needs to build a proper case for this Pi.... it's outgrowing the clip-together job
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[19:51] <FR^2> Datalink-M: I'm still experimenting using a breakout board and such... And the connector wires are male/male... Well... Silly thing to explain, I'll make photos of it.
[19:52] <Datalink-M> I have a pibow, ozzzy, we're getting a generic case for the one we're gonna use for the city's gov channel messageboard
[19:52] <Datalink-M> FR^2, ah, yeah, I got the pi breakout from Adafruit due to that
[19:53] <Datalink-M> My cobbling nearly fried my Pi once
[19:53] <FR^2> I hope I'll keep my raspi intact
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[19:54] <Datalink-M> only 1 5v line and you'll be fine
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[19:55] <FR^2> Datalink-M: You're kidding? The setup will be powered through the pi itself.
[19:56] <Datalink-M> FR^2, I nearly fried mine with the pi's 5v rail
[19:56] <yggdrasil> how do i get the first little screen that shows you the config opstions again?
[19:56] <FR^2> oops. Okay, thanks for the warning.
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[19:56] <Datalink-M> yggdrasil, sudo raspi-config
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[19:57] <yggdrasil> thanks
[19:57] <Datalink-M> Np
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[19:57] <yggdrasil> i got my wireless on , didnt see that somone had wlan0 in the config allready.
[19:58] <Datalink-M> Some adaptors are in the kernel
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[20:01] <Datalink-M> Afk for an hour
[20:01] <ozzzy> Datalink-M: I think I'll modify a Hammond or something
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[20:20] <gryphraff> Got a question about mail: I installed mailutils. Now the inbox of the account in question (gmail) is filling up with failed emails from pi@raspberrypi and root@raspberrypi. I realize that this is kind of the way it's supposed to work, but the guides I've seen don't really explain how to stop it to my satisfaction.
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[20:52] <Datalink-M> Gryphraff, my server's host is a fqdn due to that
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[20:54] <Datalink-M> Should be able to set account e-mail with usermod though o.o
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[20:58] <gryphraff> It appears I would add something like root:root@your.domain:smtp.gmail.com:587 in /etc/ssmtp/revaliases...
[20:58] <gryphraff> Although the article I'm reading has a wall of text
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[21:00] <Datalink-M> Sometimes they're like that
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[21:05] <gryphraff> I guess the best thing to do is try it
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[21:12] <user82> someone with "nrf24l01" wireless transceiver experience here?
[21:13] <gryphraff> The part that doesn't make sense about that line is does the email address after the username (i.e. root:acct@email.com) mean you're sending from that account, or to that account using the setting previously set in ssmtp.conf
[21:15] <gryphraff> None with me, user82
[21:15] <user82> allright grantsmith
[21:15] <user82> sorry gryphraff
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[21:16] <gryphraff> heh, np
[21:16] <gryphraff> Is it just a GP transmitter?
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[21:16] <gryphraff> I see info on it, reading now
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[21:16] <user82> gryphraff, it is really cheap. maybe someone has tested it already, there is a library for it.
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[21:18] <rigid> will the raspi output anything on the serial console even without SD card insert?
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[21:18] <IT_Sean> rigid: No.
[21:18] <rigid> i connected it via a RS232<->USB adapter and seeing nothing... now I wonder if I have to connect the RTS/CTS lines or if there's just no data sent
[21:19] <rigid> ahh ok
[21:19] <gryphraff> So many devices, so little time.
[21:19] <rigid> IT_Sean: thanks
[21:19] <IT_Sean> Rhe raspy will do basically _nothing_ without an SD card with a valid OS image on it
[21:19] <IT_Sean> *the
[21:19] <rigid> IT_Sean: i hoped the bootloader would output something
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[21:20] <Datalink-M> rigid, you have to tell the config.txt where to send kernel debug
[21:20] <rigid> hm... i hope i can find an image that fits on my 2GB card
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[21:20] <rigid> Datalink-M: ah, yeah I read about that... i'll try that
[21:20] <Datalink-M> rigid, Raspian is 2 gig default
[21:20] <rigid> \o/
[21:20] <user82> gryphraff, http://arduino-for-beginners.blogspot.de/2013/02/setup-nordic-nrf24l01-rf-modules-to.html?goback=.gde_1268377_member_217339050
[21:21] <Datalink-M> I wanna set up a XBee for my pi some day
[21:21] <rigid> everyone is tinkering with RF while I'd find cheap & reliable powerline communication _much_ more interesting
[21:21] <rigid> but no one does that :(
[21:22] <Datalink-M> That's because it's hard :\
[21:22] <rigid> Datalink-M: RF is also hard without premanufactured modules
[21:22] <gryphraff> I'd love to get something like that wireless transmitter in my company's products, but transmitting 2.4GHz through a giant metal box filled with water can be tricky.
[21:23] <rigid> water + RF is nasty
[21:23] <Datalink-M> Rigid... I would have an easy time
[21:23] <gryphraff> 2.4GHz especially. Water stops it dead
[21:23] <Datalink-M> gryphraff, you'd best be using a waterproof data cable
[21:23] <user82> gryphraff, impossible. after 2cm: dead end
[21:24] <gryphraff> It's currently on RS-485, which is pretty good for long noisy runs.
[21:24] <Datalink-M> I need to study for a HAM
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[21:25] <gryphraff> http://www.eham.net/exams/
[21:25] <maxinux> i prefer hamtestonline.com
[21:25] <maxinux> tech and general are soo easy
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[21:25] <Datalink-M> yeah, time and effort, not resources
[21:25] <maxinux> not much of that
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[21:28] <gryphraff> That reminds me that my license is just about due for renewal
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[21:29] <fongseiyuc> Hi.I was here earlier with an issue not getting ogg123 to produce sound on local output.
[21:30] <fongseiyuc> omxplayer -o local foo.ogg works fine though.
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[21:30] <fongseiyuc> i am using current raspbian
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[21:30] <fongseiyuc> heres a paste on output from ogg123: http://paste.debian.net/10214/
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[21:32] <fongseiyuc> The issue i have is how to point output to the local audio jack. I guess.
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[21:33] <gryphraff> I remember reading about somewhere you set the alsa output to the device you want to use, i.e. the onboard is 0... I can't find that right off hand though
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[21:35] <gryphraff> http://root42.blogspot.com/2013/03/attaching-usb-sound-card-to-raspberry-pi.html
[21:35] <gryphraff> that looks about right
[21:35] <gryphraff> maybe :P
[21:35] <fongseiyuc> gryphraff, i was thinking also about setting options snd-bcm2835 index=0 in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf
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[21:36] <fongseiyuc> but that doesnt work
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[21:37] <Encrypt> gordonDrogon, Shutdown script down
[21:37] <gryphraff> Yeah, I can't find the exact article I read that in. Still looking
[21:37] <Encrypt> done* (>.<)
[21:37] <fongseiyuc> cool, thanx
[21:38] <Encrypt> How could I write that? (>.<)
[21:38] <Datalink-M> Encrypt, it's down too
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[21:38] <Encrypt> > http://pastebin.com/QJB0ERMs
[21:39] <gryphraff> It looks like you need to specifically tell the onboard soundcard that it's been demoted
[21:39] <gryphraff> as well as promoting the USB card
[21:39] <fongseiyuc> gryphraff, i don't have a USB Sound Card
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[21:40] <gryphraff> Urp, yes. Never mind, I'm reading two different things
[21:41] <fongseiyuc> gryphraff, only have the onboard card and a HDMI to VGA Adapter with an Audio Jack on it too (that thing doesnt work, only the HDMI to VGA works ;-))
[21:41] <rigid> hmm... http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt doesn't mention any options on where to send kernel debug
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[21:41] <Encrypt> Hum... I think I should as well change the value of PIN0 to LOW after it detects the "shutdown" or "restart" actions...
[21:41] <gryphraff> Does the output on the pi itself work, that is, the headphone jack?
[21:42] <gryphraff> I'm always suspicious of adapters.
[21:42] <fongseiyuc> gryphraff, yes, only with omxplayer -o local option
[21:42] <fongseiyuc> thats the only way i get real output
[21:43] <gordonDrogon> Encrypt, sudo halt
[21:43] <Encrypt> gordonDrogon, It'll be executed as root
[21:43] <gordonDrogon> Encrypt, it needs to be - that's the only way to shutdown the Pi
[21:43] <Encrypt> Start right after boot
[21:44] <Encrypt> I don't need "sudo" then...
[21:44] <Encrypt> Since root will execute it...
[21:44] <gordonDrogon> if you write an /etc/init.d type script, then it needs to wait for the signal, then call halt.
[21:44] <Encrypt> Ya, that's the kind of thing I'd write
[21:44] <knob> Guys, n00b question: Can I drive a stepper motor with a normal motor driver board? Or is a "special" driver board needed?
[21:44] <gordonDrogon> it's a 2-line bash script.
[21:45] <gordonDrogon> /usr/local/bin/gpio wfi 8 falling ; halt
[21:45] <Encrypt> So I just can't use it without "sudo" ?
[21:45] <gordonDrogon> no sudo needed if it's in an init script as it's already root.
[21:45] <gryphraff> fongseiyuc: I see a command in the ogg123 docs to send things to different places
[21:45] <Encrypt> That's what I understood :)
[21:46] <gordonDrogon> you may need /sbin/halt as there's typically no $PATH setup.
[21:46] <Encrypt> By the way, I don't exactly understand that: "/usr/local/bin/gpio wfi 8 falling ; halt"
[21:46] <gordonDrogon> gpio wfi 8 falling <- that waits for a falling edge in pin 8.
[21:46] <Encrypt> Is it what I should but in place of "shutdown -h now"?
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[21:46] <gordonDrogon> Encrypt, halt. if you're really good at typeing you can use shutdown -h now, but halt is identical.
[21:47] <Encrypt> Ya
[21:47] <gordonDrogon> why people want to type a long commands beats me. programmers are lazy. type halt.
[21:47] <gordonDrogon> or reboot
[21:47] <gordonDrogon> shutdown -h now is for managers.
[21:47] <Encrypt> I'm sorry but I don't understand the aim of "gpio wfi 8 falling" :/
[21:47] <gordonDrogon> wfi - wait for interrupt.
[21:47] <Encrypt> What do you call a "falling edge"?
[21:47] <gordonDrogon> falling- wait for the falling edge - ie. the signal doing from 1 to 0
[21:48] <gordonDrogon> 8 - pin 8 - substitute whatever pin you ar eusing.
[21:48] <fongseiyuc> gryphraff, which one you mean ? ogg123 -d alsa -o hw:0 foo.ogg <-- something like this ?
[21:48] <gryphraff> Yup
[21:48] <Encrypt> But then, this will be tested with the infinite loop (:þ) in the C program?
[21:48] <gordonDrogon> falling ... dropping going from high to low.
[21:48] <gordonDrogon> 1 to 0
[21:48] <gordonDrogon> Encrypt, so?
[21:48] <Datalink-M> Wfi=wait for intrupt
[21:48] <Encrypt> Ah!
[21:48] <fongseiyuc> i've tried several variaties so far
[21:48] <gordonDrogon> why not try it right now. do you have a Pi running in-front of you?
[21:48] <fongseiyuc> but no chance
[21:49] <gryphraff> Although the example for ogg shows output being directed to a device
[21:49] <gordonDrogon> if you have Pi, then get 2 windows open on it.
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[21:49] <gordonDrogon> let me know when you have that. you need 2 windows to type 2 different commands.
[21:49] <Encrypt> It waits for the GPIO to drop all pins before shutting down the Pi? :)
[21:49] <LordDoskias> with the demo app hello_video i can decode the included demo
[21:49] <gordonDrogon> Encrypt, just get 2 windows on your Pi and I'll demo.
[21:50] <LordDoskias> however i have an h264 video but with h264 profile 100 and i get garbage wghen i try to render this video with the demo app
[21:50] <Encrypt> Hum windows... I'm using it with tty through SSH only :p
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[21:50] <gordonDrogon> yes, so ssh in tqice.
[21:50] <gordonDrogon> tqice.
[21:50] <gordonDrogon> twice!
[21:51] <gordonDrogon> 2 separate windows, run ssh in each one.
[21:51] <gordonDrogon> from your host PC.
[21:51] <gordonDrogon> whatever that is - I don't care.
[21:51] <gryphraff> I'm at a loss without having the stuff in front of me
[21:51] <gordonDrogon> just login twice.
[21:51] <fongseiyuc> gryphraff, hmm ... thats ok
[21:51] <rigid> hm... i'm getting garbage from the serial port despite all settings are right... but the output looks like it's a wrong baudrate
[21:51] <fongseiyuc> gryphraff, thanx anyway ;-)
[21:51] <rigid> but both raspi and minicom are set to 115200, 8N1, no flow control... hmm
[21:52] <gordonDrogon> Encrypt, you have < 8 minutes to do this - I'm going to watch TV in 8... 7 minutes.
[21:52] <Encrypt> Hum... wfi is an alias for "rm -rf /*", isn't it? :p
[21:52] <Datalink-M> rigid, can the device handle that baud?
[21:52] <Encrypt> gordonDrogon, Done
[21:52] <gordonDrogon> right. if there any hardware connected to the GPIO?
[21:52] <rigid> Datalink-M: it should... it's a USB<->RS232 converter connected to my pc
[21:52] <rigid> i'll try a lower
[21:52] <Encrypt> Nope :(
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[21:53] <gordonDrogon> ok. in one windo type this: gpio mode 0 up
[21:53] <Datalink-M> Try at 56(
[21:53] <gordonDrogon> then in that same window type: gpio wfi 0 falling
[21:53] <Datalink-M> Er 56K
[21:53] <Encrypt> Done
[21:53] <gordonDrogon> ok - and has the gpio command returned to the promt?
[21:54] <gordonDrogon> (it shouldn't - the gpio command should be waiting)
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[21:54] <Encrypt> no, it hasn't
[21:54] <gordonDrogon> good.
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[21:54] <gordonDrogon> so now the gpio is waiting on the pin 0 falling - ie. going from 1 to 0.
[21:54] <gordonDrogon> in the other window, type: gpio mode 0 down
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[21:55] <gordonDrogon> The gpio wfi in the first window should exit back to the prompt.
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[21:55] <gordonDrogon> Encrypt, did it?
[21:55] <Encrypt> Ya
[21:55] <jan_n> howdy. I'm new to raspberry pi, but have a need for monitoring a flow meter. Since I need to log the data to a webserice I'm considering adding a pie to watch for pulses from the flow meter.
[21:55] <gordonDrogon> right - so that's it. that's all you need.
[21:56] <yggdrasil> i started my son on scratch today
[21:56] <yggdrasil> hes 6
[21:56] <jan_n> but I'm worried about if I need to get some hardware to put in between, or what the GPIO port can handle?
[21:56] <Encrypt> gordonDrogon, Ok, thanks :)
[21:56] <rigid> hm... doesn't work with 9600 baud also... i just get garbage
[21:56] <Armand> Received today, 3x RT5370 USB Wifi adapters with external (screw-fit) antenna. ^_^
[21:56] <jan_n> the hardware's connection diagram looks like this: https://www.dropbox.com/s/ykxbtw0aignd2n6/Screen%20Shot%202013-06-13%20at%2022.53.34.png
[21:57] <gordonDrogon> the gpio mode 0 up command enabled the internal pull-up resistor - and the mode down command changed it to the pull-down resistor, thus generating an input pulse which the wfi command picked up.
[21:57] <Datalink-M> Rigid, may not then :/
[21:57] <gordonDrogon> if you run the wfi command again, you'll need to gpio mode 0 up ; gpio mode 0 down
[21:57] <gordonDrogon> and note that it's consuming ZERO cpu while the wfi command is running.
[21:58] <gordonDrogon> and for my next trick I'm going to grab a mug of tea and watch some TV with my wife!
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[21:58] <Encrypt> :p
[21:58] <Datalink-M> It just tells the CPU to flag the process when it changes, right?
[21:58] <Encrypt> Ok :)
[21:58] <Encrypt> So no need to make an infinite loop then...
[21:59] <gryphraff> jan_n, that should be easy enough to do, your meter appears to be able to support any kind of voltage on the pulse output.
[21:59] <gryphraff> 3.3V with a pullup resistor
[22:00] <gryphraff> Or down, depending on how you want to read it...
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[22:01] <jan_n> gryphraff: thanks. it seems I've forgotten all I ever knew about electronics.
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[22:01] <gryphraff> The software would be the hardest part of all that.
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[22:02] <peemox> I'm doing this tutorial on a shutdown button: http://www.3cc.org/blog/2013/01/raspberry-pi-shutdown-switch-safely-turning-off-the-pi/ However when all is said and done my button doesn't work. Any ideas of a way to troubleshoot or another tutorial in the same realm of programming the GPIO but more in-depth?
[22:02] <jan_n> would I need to poll for status on the io, or can it send an interrupt when something changes?
[22:04] <gryphraff> You'd have to read the meter and make decisions in software. I can't readily tell if the meter outputs a pulse per X amount of flow, or puts out X pulses at <flow rate>
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[22:05] <Encrypt> gordonDrogon, Thanks for your help :)
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[22:06] <Encrypt> peemox, The "RPi Saver" is coming ;)
[22:06] <peemox> Encrypt: Fair enough, but I would love to know where I'm going wrong.
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[22:09] <Datalink-M> I need to make a pi reboot safe for use as a powerpoint display
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[22:10] <Datalink-M> Ideally I'd like an accelerated X like Weston if I can figure it out
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[22:12] <gxx> having problems trying to load an OS
[22:12] <gxx> E: Unable to locate package usb-imagewriter
[22:12] <gxx> any ideas?
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[22:14] <Encrypt> gxx, The package doesn't exist anymore I imagine...
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[22:15] <linuxstb> gxx: What exactly are you trying to do?
[22:16] <gxx> well I just got two pi's and trying to load an OS on a sd card [using ubuntu]
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[22:17] <rigid> gxx: why don't you use dd ?
[22:17] <rigid> it's way easier
[22:17] <donta> has anyone tried colocation?
[22:18] <gxx> going to try that now
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[22:26] <Datalink-M> donta, howso? Like just a server or a Pi in a colo?
[22:26] <donta> Datalink-M: http://www.geek.com/chips/colocate-your-raspberry-pi-in-a-massive-datacenter-for-free-1521371/
[22:27] <donta> Datalink-M: there are a few places that will do it for free
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[22:28] <donta> I am thinking about doing it and running a mirror on one
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[22:29] <Datalink-M> Oh cool, no, not yet
[22:30] <donta> Datalink-M: I just need to figure out routing for it
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[22:31] <donta> maybe I could even setup a CDN
[22:31] <Datalink-M> I'd probably use it for an international proxy through SSH
[22:32] <rigid> hm... two different RS232<->USB converters... and same garbled output from the raspi...
[22:32] <donta> yeah, that'd be neat
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[22:32] <rigid> both with screen and minicom... that's well strange
[22:32] <Datalink-M> Rigid, odd....
[22:32] <plugwash> are you sure you have the right baud rate?
[22:32] <Datalink-M> Putty, maybe?
[22:33] <rigid> plugwash: 100% http://boogiepalace.hopto.org/stuff/1371155594525117819.png
[22:34] <rigid> the only think I could think of is that both USB<->RS232 converters need 5V levels, but then I shouldn't see anything I suppose
[22:34] <Datalink-M> Have it 8,N,1?
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[22:34] <rigid> Datalink-M: yes
[22:34] <Datalink-M> Oh, if it's not a 3.3 it's starving them
[22:36] <rigid> starving? wouldn't 5V normally need ~ 3.5V as high and such never receive anything?
[22:36] <Datalink-M> Mn, depends on the IC
[22:36] <Datalink-M> I am also lacking any caffeine so kinda out of it
[22:37] <rigid> it's a pl2303 based converter
[22:38] <rigid> iirc I did 3V input without level conversion with that before... just 99% sure, tho
[22:39] <donta> do you guys have any ideas how I'd setup a CDN?
[22:39] <Datalink-M> Donno then rigid
[22:39] <rigid> Datalink-M: yeah, thanks anyway
[22:40] <Datalink-M> Suddenly tired
[22:40] <Datalink-M> X.x
[22:40] <ozzzy> this autoguider still eludes me
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[22:46] <quaisi> Hi -I can find lots of tutorials about sharing pc wifi to the pi using Network Manager on ubuntu but I can't find anything in my case. My pi is connected to network via wifi - I want to join it to an ubuntu pc to share the connection via ethernet. Any ideas or links much appreciated!
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[22:48] <Datalink-M> quaisi, that'd be sharing ubuntu network over ad-hoc... I don't know how to do that one :/
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[22:49] <quaisi> Datalink: the ubuntu pc is not connected to the network - the pi is always on and connected via wifi - I want to use the pi to share its connection to the ubuntu pc
[22:50] <Datalink-M> oh, hm... not sure on that one either x.x sorry
[22:51] <quaisi> no worries - it has me stumped...
[22:51] <pksato> quaisi: quick way, on rpi ifconfig 10.3.14.1 eth0, on ubuntu ifconfig 10.3.14.2 eth0 (need root). now ubuntu and pi talks.
[22:51] <pksato> and, on ubuntu route add default gw 10.3.14.1
[22:52] <pksato> rest do on you rpi.
[22:52] <pksato> echo 1 >/proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
[22:52] <pksato> iptables -I POSTROUTING -t nat -o wlan0 -j MASQUERADE
[22:53] <pksato> iptables -P FORWARD ACCEPT
[22:53] <pksato> now, ubuntu can ping some ip like 8.8.8.8
[22:54] <quaisi> sure
[22:54] <quaisi> thanks - that almost makes sense :) cheers
[22:54] <pksato> if I not miss any thing.
[22:55] <pksato> set dns on /etc/resolv.conf
[22:55] <pksato> or use net manager to set ip and others on ubuntu.
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[22:58] <yggdrasil> is there any way to connect to the console from an ssh session ?
[22:58] <yggdrasil> like if i wanted to type a cmd on the screen .. im sshd in and dont have a keyboard connected.
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[23:01] <pksato> yggdrasil: terminal multiplexer like screen do it. but, only for new session using it.
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[23:01] <yggdrasil> yea thats what i thought.
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[23:04] <rigid> yggdrasil: connecting afterwards would be a security issue... so better start screen right after logging in... after disconnect, use screen -r to continue
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[23:20] <paxcoder> does anyone know how to connect a 15 pin DSUB joystick to the GPIO?
[23:21] <gordonDrogon> carefully.
[23:22] <paxcoder> gordonDrogon, your page says "Gordons Projects". It should say "Gordon's Projects"
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[23:24] <Danith> that doesn't sound right
[23:24] <yggdrasil> gordons'
[23:24] <yggdrasil> i think ?
[23:24] <paxcoder> No, he's Gordon, not Gordons.
[23:24] <yggdrasil> hmm
[23:24] <yggdrasil> yea your right
[23:24] <paxcoder> Where are you from, people?
[23:24] <yggdrasil> its gordon's
[23:24] <paxcoder> you're*
[23:25] <Encrypt> paxcoder, France \o/
[23:25] <yggdrasil> it's gordon's
[23:25] <paxcoder> yggdrasil, heh
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[23:25] <paxcoder> Encrypt, I mean gordonDrogon, Danith and yggdrasil
[23:25] <ricksl> I kinda like the ring gordons has
[23:25] <Encrypt> Mokay... :p
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[23:26] <gxx> does Raspbian come with a file browser?
[23:26] <gxx> I can't seem to find it
[23:26] <paxcoder> Encrypt, are anti-gay protests still going strong?
[23:26] <gxx> nevermind
[23:26] <napcae> gxx bash?
[23:26] <Encrypt> Ya, it seems it is.
[23:27] <Encrypt> They're even talking about protesting during "Le Tour de France" this summer...
[23:27] <paxcoder> Encrypt, why don't they have a referendum to abolish the new law, or the lawmakers, or something?
[23:27] <Datalink-M> It's sad people can't just leave people alone
[23:27] <Encrypt> Well...
[23:28] <Datalink-M> paxcoder, because they'd loose prolly
[23:28] <Encrypt> The State doesn't understand what "referendum" means...
[23:28] <paxcoder> Datalink-M, I'm not so sure.
[23:28] <Datalink-M> Meh
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[23:29] <paxcoder> Encrypt, what do you mean?
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[23:29] <Encrypt> Anyway, that makes a lot of noise in France (and even in the world) for a minority of persons...
[23:29] <Encrypt> ... while unemployment rates keep increasing and poverty doesn't decrease...
[23:30] * rigid found an old sony ericsson P900 cradle with an FTDI232B-M chip... now if that won't gimme a serial connection, i'm out of options...
[23:31] <Encrypt> paxcoder, I mean they just won't do it, they prefer taking [unpopular] mesures, whatever the majority would say...
[23:31] <paxcoder> Encrypt, We don't know if it's a minority until there is a vote. Unemployment should not be an excuse for making unrelated laws contrary to the will of the public. But meh, politics
[23:31] <Encrypt> You're right...
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[23:31] <Encrypt> paxcoder, I mean a minority is concerned by the law
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[23:33] <gxx> paxcoder: what are you talking about, the usa?
[23:33] <paxcoder> gordonDrogon, so you're not going to help me out with my 15 pin DSUB? Can you at least tell me if it's compatible with the 9pin one? If so, I'd see if I can separate those 9, and follow a 9pin tutor I found
[23:33] <paxcoder> gxx, we were talking about france
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[23:34] <ricksl> Sounded a bit like the us. With the exception of falling unemployment.
[23:35] <Encrypt> You see, I would compare the debate taking place in France about gay marriage as the one which took pace in the USA about gun possession...
[23:35] <paxcoder> ricksl, no exception: "uneployment [..] increasing"
[23:35] <Encrypt> Same strength
[23:36] <paxcoder> Encrypt, you think they rushed the new law to keep people distracted?
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[23:36] <Encrypt> Ya, that's what I think
[23:36] <paxcoder> I don't see it why?
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[23:39] <Encrypt> At the same time, they increased VAT on waste collection services, decreased the State's help for "large families"...
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[23:39] <Encrypt> While other factories were closing their doors and employees got fired, although they had said : "This plant shall not close" :p
[23:40] <Encrypt> As far as I'm concerned, I strongly believe this is to distract people...
[23:40] <mgottschlag> paxcoder: so, have you already found the electrical specification of 15pin joysticks?
[23:40] <rigid> hmm... I wouldn't compare weapon posession discussions with gay marriage: http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/guns/toddlers-killed-more-americans-terrorists-did-year
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[23:41] <paxcoder> mgottschlag, i found this: http://bit.ly/13FkYWj and I think I need to separate out those that are shared by RS232. Never done this before.
[23:41] <mgottschlag> I really think you rather want http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_port
[23:42] <Encrypt> rigid, But I meant the strength of the debates between pro-gay marriage and opponents to gay marriage
[23:42] <mgottschlag> except if your joystick is some weird incompatible serial joystick
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[23:43] <mgottschlag> how much do you know about electronics?
[23:43] <paxcoder> mgottschlag, no, that's it probably
[23:43] <Encrypt> rigid, Unfortunately, you're right: People get killed because of weapons, which is not the case in the gay-marriage debate
[23:43] <paxcoder> mgottschlag, most of my electronics knowledge has evaporated.
[23:43] <rigid> Encrypt: ah ok... but the topic is clearly different. Imho it's debatable in the one case and in the other it's just hillarious (leaving out tradition and just looking at plain figures)
[23:43] <rigid> Encrypt: i wouldn't even go so far to claim that... but the one is surely more harmful for a society than the other
[23:44] <rigid> and I mean... come on... france... they just have a gay complex ... ;)
[23:44] <mgottschlag> paxcoder: so, you have two things here: first, the joystick is 5V, so you need to decrease the voltage for the buttons (e.g. voltage divider)
[23:44] <Encrypt> rigid, I totally agree ;)
[23:44] <mgottschlag> second, you need to measure the resistance on the analog axes, you need some kind of ADC for that
[23:44] <Encrypt> By the way, ##electronics would need an offtopic chan :p
[23:45] <mgottschlag> and the pi doesn't have any ADC, so either grab a microcontroller or a standalone ADC
[23:45] <paxcoder> mgottschlag, ungh
[23:45] <rigid> no ADC? :-O not even an audio one?
[23:45] <Encrypt> #raspberrypi* sorry
[23:45] <mgottschlag> not even audio :)
[23:46] <mgottschlag> even audio output is filtered PWM, no "real" ADC
[23:46] <Encrypt> Well.. I have to go... It's almost midnight here :) See you! :)
[23:46] <mgottschlag> (although that really is enough in almost all cases)
[23:46] <rigid> really... hm, which chipset comes without ADC these days
[23:46] <mgottschlag> gn8
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[23:46] <SpeedEvil> rigid: many
[23:46] <rigid> mgottschlag: ah, output ss just PWM, not DAC? that explains it
[23:46] <SpeedEvil> DAC
[23:46] <rigid> *is
[23:46] <mgottschlag> it was designed for smartphones and DVRs, not as a microcontroller :)
[23:47] <rigid> which smartphone doesn't need an ADC in it's audio chipset? hm
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[23:47] <rigid> like... ehrm, internal/external microphone? :)
[23:47] <mgottschlag> many smartphones have some external chips for audio processing
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[23:47] <paxcoder> mgottschlag, I could construct a voltage divider, but I don't know where to find or how to use an analog-to-digital converter
[23:47] <rigid> i see
[23:48] <mgottschlag> usually, the audio input path has a digital signal processor sitting between input and the CPU, which does things like noise filtering
[23:48] <paxcoder> also, i don't think I have an ohm-meter
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[23:48] <mgottschlag> but yeah, I bet many also have the ADCs and maybe even the DSP on the main chip
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[23:48] <mgottschlag> paxcoder: you certainly want a multimeter as soon as you do any electronics
[23:49] <paxcoder> mgottschlag, oh wait, I do have an ohmmeter
[23:49] <paxcoder> lemme see what I can do with it
[23:51] <paxcoder> mgottschlag, wait, what does ADC have to do with the resistance?
[23:51] <mgottschlag> resistance usually is measured as the voltage of one part of a voltage divider
[23:51] <mgottschlag> so the ADC measures the voltage along the joystick potentiometer
[23:52] <gxx> how do I reduce the overclock I set?
[23:52] <mgottschlag> btw, the original PC didn't contain any ADC on its gameport, it used some tricks to build an ADC without actually having one
[23:53] <paxcoder> mgottschlag, forgive me, I don't understand what an analog-to-digital converter has to do with measuring resistance
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[23:55] <mgottschlag> so, let's for example take the X axis of your joystick - a resistance of 0Ohm is on the left side, while 100k is on the right side
[23:55] <paxcoder> ok?
[23:55] <mgottschlag> http://cq.cx/pics/int-measure-r.png <- the variable resistor is the bottom one for example
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[23:55] <mgottschlag> (check that, I don't know where it sits on the gameport, towards 5V or towards GND)
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[23:55] <mgottschlag> so, the left one is your ADC, and you want to measure the resistance to get the position of the axis
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[23:56] <paxcoder> mgottschlag, wait, but the wiki already lists some resistances
[23:56] <mgottschlag> now, take that voltage divider and compute the resulting voltage for some positions (0Ohm, 100kOhm etc)
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[23:56] <paxcoder> like you said, in fact
[23:56] <mgottschlag> huh?
[23:56] <gordonDrogon> paxcoder, I'm not going to help you because I hate people criticising my use of apostrophie's
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[23:57] <mgottschlag> paxcoder: okay, do you have some wire, ohmmeter and your joystick at hand?
[23:57] <paxcoder> gordonDrogon, apostrophes
[23:57] <gordonDrogon> spelling too.
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[23:57] <paxcoder> mgottschlag, let me get some wire.
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