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IRC Log for 2013-06-19

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[0:17] <JakeSays> bought myself a tin of altoids today. prepping for my new pi case.
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[2:06] <quackgyver> Hi. For some reason my RaspberryPi's network adapter disappears when I plug a specific WiFi dongle in
[2:07] <quackgyver> there's another one that I know works, but the adapter is still gone.
[2:07] <quackgyver> I'm running Raspbian. Anyone know of a way to restore wpa_gui to make it display the adapter again?
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[2:11] <Bushmills> disappear from where?
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[2:12] * ozzzy checks his pockets.... nope... I don't have it
[2:14] <quackgyver> Haha, sorry Bushmills. I meant from the drop down-list in wpa_gui.
[2:14] <quackgyver> I'm a bit tired today. :)
[2:14] * Bushmills secures his NIC by applying a got measure of cyanacrylat
[2:14] <Bushmills> good, even
[2:14] <Bushmills> cyanoacrylat ...
[2:15] <Bushmills> does it still show in, say, ifconfig? ifconfig -a?
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[2:15] <quackgyver> Bushmills: I don't know what those are.
[2:15] <quackgyver> You want me to do anything specific?
[2:16] <Bushmills> yes. type those in, and look for your ethernet interface in the output
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[2:17] <quackgyver> Ah, nevermind. I realized just this second that I installed Raspbian using NOOBS, or whatever the system is called, so I can reinstall by holding shift as the system boots up.
[2:17] <quackgyver> But thanks for attempting to help. :)
[2:17] <Bushmills> reinstall?? because a nic doesn't show in some obscure program??
[2:18] <Bushmills> the world must be coming to an end
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[2:35] <quackgyver> Bushmills: Well, from experience troubleshooting any kind of problem in Linux, no matter how trivial, is a huge timesink.
[2:35] <quackgyver> I once spent two full weeks trying to get MIDI playback to work in Ubuntu.
[2:36] <Bushmills> how often did you reinstall?
[2:36] <quackgyver> Another time, several consecutive days trying to restore the same OS after a fresh install and someone's instructions on how to turn it into a router.
[2:36] <quackgyver> (which I failed to do)
[2:36] <quackgyver> What do you mean?
[2:36] <Bushmills> it seems that reinstalling is your solution if a problem occurs
[2:37] <Bushmills> so by you telling me how often you reinstalled i get an idea of the number of problems you encountered
[2:37] <quackgyver> In Linux and if possible, yes. :)
[2:37] <quackgyver> Well, Linux isn't my main OS, so I don't keep count.
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[2:38] <Bushmills> oh well, if that approach works for you, fine
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[2:41] <quackgyver> Heh, well, it's my best alternative.
[2:41] <quackgyver> But thanks anyway mate.
[2:41] * ozzzy has installed maybe 4 times in the last 12 years
[2:41] <Bushmills> depending on what ifconfig showed, running ifup eth0 may have solved your problem
[2:42] <ozzzy> 3 times
[2:42] <ozzzy> [shrug]
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[2:45] <quackgyver> Bushmills: I'll try to remember that for next time. :)
[2:45] <quackgyver> Since it appears that the problem is caused by a specific dongle
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[2:52] <yggdrasil> hey guys does a floppy cable work good as a gpio cable ?
[2:52] <shiftplusone> it works fine, yes.
[2:53] <yggdrasil> cool.
[2:53] <yggdrasil> should track one down.
[2:53] <ozzzy> just make sure you have it oriented the same at both ends
[2:53] <ozzzy> I bought some 2x13 cables off ebay
[2:53] <shiftplusone> Yeah, you'll need to be careful when making sure which pin goes where.
[2:53] <shiftplusone> I am lazy, so I just ping the cable to double-check.
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[2:54] <shiftplusone> Or used to... now I just use m-f jumpers and a breadboard.
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[2:57] <yggdrasil> im going to order a picobbler
[2:57] <ozzzy> easy to build one
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[2:58] <shiftplusone> A bit pricey for me (especially given the shipping).
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[2:59] <yggdrasil> yea i cant find a floppy cable
[2:59] <yggdrasil> plenty of ide cables..
[2:59] <histo> yggdrasil: cut the ide cable down
[3:00] <yggdrasil> yea
[3:00] <shiftplusone> those work too, but you need to be a little more careful with them
[3:00] <yggdrasil> well see what happens
[3:00] <shiftplusone> I was told some pins in ide cables may be shorted together and there's also the twistey bit.
[3:01] <histo> shiftplusone: on the 80 pin cables there are extra ground wires. I'm sure you can find an old 40 pin. Floppy cables will also have a twisted set of pins for the B floppy
[3:02] <shiftplusone> fair enough
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[3:02] <Blacklite> oh man i have sooo many old ide / floppy cables from old pc's at home
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[3:03] <Blacklite> wish i could help :P
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[3:13] <steve_rox> i finally finished my soldering
[3:13] <steve_rox> rpi now has a toggle swiitch for lcd/external vid out jack
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[3:14] <shiftplusone> pics so that we can judge your work? >=/
[3:14] <[Saint]> steve_rox: add a reset across P6 while you're there.
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[3:16] <steve_rox> my wireing is bad
[3:17] <ozzzy> http://www.togastro.com/ozzzy/images/pi_setup.jpg
[3:17] <shiftplusone> tidy
[3:18] <shiftplusone> (unlike the rest of the desk 'course
[3:18] <ozzzy> hey... at least I can see some of the surface
[3:18] <ozzzy> that's pretty good
[3:18] <shiftplusone> More than I can say about mine =(
[3:19] <ozzzy> I was going to put a little on/off switch on the back... but why
[3:19] <shiftplusone> To turn it on or off, I suppose.
[3:20] <ozzzy> I can pull the power plug just as easy
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[3:21] <shiftplusone> Should get around to sorting this mess out some time >_< https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/175702/desk.jpg
[3:21] <[Saint]> ozzzy: the reset switch is useful if you want to leave it powered constantly, shut down, and then bring it back up with a button push.
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[3:22] <[Saint]> sure, shutting down is easy, but leaving it powered and bringing it back up...isn't.
[3:22] <[Saint]> Unless you don;t have a problem with pulling the cable, and re-plugging.
[3:22] <ozzzy> I suppose that's true if it's locked
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[3:28] <ozzzy> anything to the rumour that people are corrupting SD cards by just cutting power
[3:29] <[Saint]> Of course there is.
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[3:29] <[Saint]> People who would expect that to work need to be shot ;)
[3:29] <ozzzy> wouldn't the reset switch do the same thing
[3:29] <[Saint]> Cut power while potentially writing - suffer the consequences. :)
[3:30] <[Saint]> And, yes, it would.
[3:30] <[Saint]> But the reset switch is to bring the device *up* when *already* powered down.
[3:30] <ozzzy> I might put one in the case.... internal with a little hole to poke something through
[3:30] <ozzzy> ahhh... gotcha
[3:31] <[Saint]> Or, you could use it in the event of a hang where the only option would be to pull the plug anyway, I guess.
[3:31] <ozzzy> that's what I was thinking
[3:31] <[Saint]> But, I use mine almost exclusively so I can power down and bring it back up without having to remove and replug the power.
[3:32] <ozzzy> but a hole to poke things in wouldn't have the risk of an accidental restart
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[3:32] <[Saint]> I use a tiny little pushbutton surface mount.
[3:32] <ozzzy> that'd work
[3:33] <ozzzy> I have a pile of tactile switches... and a few microswitches
[3:33] <ozzzy> what would be even kewler would be two small brass screws in the exterior of the case... short them with something to reset
[3:33] <ozzzy> LOL
[3:34] <ozzzy> screw them in then grind them to just proud of the surface
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[3:41] <histo> ozzzy: get one of those little pen point switches if you want a little hole one
[3:41] <histo> Tear apart an old router
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[5:42] <steve_rox> guess its pass out time
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[5:54] <ParkerR> :O
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[5:55] <IanCormac> God damn it NSA
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[5:56] <ParkerR> IanCormac, ... and yet it has nothing to do with the NSA
[5:57] <IanCormac> [joking]
[5:57] * [Saint] accuses ParkerR of being the NSA
[5:57] <IanCormac> He's a shill
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[6:16] <JakeSays> shiftplusone: dude i have you totally beat in the messy desk department.
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[6:22] <shiftplusone> JakeSays, heh, that pile has doubled since that photo was taken, but I don't doubt it.
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[12:17] <Encrypt> Hi there! :)
[12:17] * Encrypt is lucky
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[12:17] <Encrypt> There was a power cut at 8.30 a.m. during a few milliseconds
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[12:18] <Encrypt> Fortunately, the power wasn't cut on the Raspberry Pi, I imagine the AC to DC converter I use to power the Pi had enough "inertia" to power it during these milliseconds...
[12:18] <Encrypt> Epic win \o/
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[12:22] <gordonDrogon> a Pi being powered down unnexpectedly shouldn't be a bitg wory though.
[12:22] <[Saint]> Depends what its doing at the time.
[12:23] <linuxstb> Hopefully it's not running a life-support system...
[12:23] <[Saint]> And whether or not you consider trashed filesystems "worrying".
[12:23] <[Saint]> linuxstb: Hah! Nice. :)
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[12:25] <Encrypt> gordonDrogon, Yes, it is :p
[12:26] <Encrypt> As I already told you here, my filesystem went totally broken after my mother unplugged the power supply (>.<)
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[12:26] <Encrypt> But the RPi Saver will soon be available... :)
[12:27] <[Saint]> ...otherwise known as fsck.vfat?
[12:28] <[Saint]> Ah. I see. Internet detective digs up your logs on what is essentially a Rpi UPS
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[12:28] <[Saint]> ...and, a few other things :-S
[12:28] <Encrypt> [Saint], Nope.
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[12:29] <Encrypt> fsck could do nothing for me when my mother unplugged it...
[12:29] <gordonDrogon> I've not had that experience mysefl.
[12:29] <Encrypt> I tried to repair it but it was clearly impossible...
[12:29] <[Saint]> could do nothing, or, you weren't able to guide it to do the right things?
[12:29] <[Saint]> ...quite different.
[12:29] <ozzzy> a short-haul backup system wouldn't be too hard to make
[12:29] <Encrypt> I think it depends on the SD Card we use...
[12:29] <gordonDrogon> except in the very early days when the SD driver was somewhat creative and when overclocking.
[12:30] <[Saint]> Encrypt: I doubt that.
[12:30] <gordonDrogon> and I regularly unplug Pi's now, or run them on batteries, etc.
[12:30] <[Saint]> For several reasons. Mostly the lack of any proof, though.
[12:30] <gordonDrogon> maybe I'm not actively torrenting, etc. on them though...
[12:31] <linuxstb> gordonDrogon: Me too. In the early days, looking at the SD card the wrong way would corrupt it. I haven't had a corrupted card since the October updates I think.
[12:31] <[Saint]> LOTS of people *claim* "RPi broke my sdcard!!!"
[12:31] <[Saint]> ...not a siungle person has proven so, though.
[12:31] <[Saint]> *single
[12:31] <[Saint]> But many claim it nonetheless.
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[12:33] <Raspiman> Hi
[12:33] <Raspiman> wit the free -m command in putty i can see the ram space/ avalable space: http://i.imgur.com/NGVswv9.png
[12:33] <Raspiman> But can some1 explain me what the buffer/cache is?
[12:34] <[Saint]> http://www.tldp.org/LDP/sag/html/buffer-cache.html
[12:34] <Coffe> simple its parts of stuff that you used before that still is in memory if you might restart that app . so to sy
[12:34] <Coffe> say even
[12:35] <Raspiman> total mem: 485 (this is normal with a 512mb pi?) and 60 mb ram free.
[12:36] <[Saint]> Yes. Remember the mem is split between {C|G}PU
[12:36] <Raspiman> o yes! i put the split on 16mb for the GPU (i only use putty)
[12:36] <[Saint]> so "total mem" == "<board_memory> - <gpu_split>"
[12:36] <gordonDrogon> the GPU still needs its share - even if its 16MB.
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[12:37] <Raspiman> what happend if my 60 mb free ram gets used? will my pi crash?
[12:37] * [Saint] needs to stop talking in psuedo-code to attampt to explain things
[12:37] <[Saint]> Raspiman: then you will start swapping
[12:37] <[Saint]> ...which will /probably/ make it crash ;)
[12:37] <gordonDrogon> Raspiman, no - firstly the data stored in the buffers/cache will be purged, then it will start to use swap.
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[12:38] <Raspiman> and swapping on the SD card is hell slow right?
[12:38] <gordonDrogon> and get really slow at that point.
[12:38] <gordonDrogon> Raspiman, it's not that it's slow, as such, just slower than real RAM.
[12:38] <gordonDrogon> much slower.
[12:38] <FR^2> Is swapping to an harddisk connected via USB that much faster than swapping to the sdcard?
[12:38] <[Saint]> zram would be faster, but, I wouldn't bother with it.
[12:38] <gordonDrogon> best to avoid swap, if possible.
[12:39] <[Saint]> The idea is to just avoid swapping like the plague.
[12:39] <Encrypt> swapiness = 1 \o/
[12:39] <gordonDrogon> actually, I set swappiness to a high value - like 90.
[12:39] <gordonDrogon> doesn't seem to make much difference though.
[12:39] <Encrypt> Hum...
[12:39] <LordDoskias> has anyone managed to hookup a resize component to video_encode?
[12:39] <gordonDrogon> *my* theory is that I want unused programs living in swap early rather than late. That leaves more RAM for programs.
[12:40] <Raspiman> how to change that then gordonDrogon?
[12:40] <[Saint]> gordonDrogon: so you swap when *90*% of the RAM is free...?
[12:40] <[Saint]> Jeebus.
[12:40] <gordonDrogon> [Saint], it doesn't work like that.
[12:40] <gordonDrogon> Raspiman, edit /etc/sysctl.conf - looks for the bottom lines.
[12:40] <[Saint]> I thought it was 0-100% free remaining?
[12:41] <gordonDrogon> it's more a "feed good" factor for the kernel.
[12:41] <[Saint]> (when it decides to start swapping)
[12:41] <[Saint]> Ah. Hmmm.
[12:41] <gordonDrogon> feel good...
[12:41] <gordonDrogon> at least that's my interpretation :) read the file kernel sources for the real details :)
[12:41] <gordonDrogon> the default is normally 60.
[12:42] <Raspiman> my /etc/sysctl.conf file says : vm.swapiness=1 / vm.min.free..kbytes = 8192
[12:42] <gordonDrogon> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swappiness
[12:42] <Encrypt> I know there's a controversial debate about the lifetime of flash memory
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[12:42] <[Saint]> No there isn't.
[12:43] <Encrypt> That's why I personally prefer using RAM instead of SWAP which would make the life of my SD Card shorter...
[12:43] <gordonDrogon> yes - the Raspbian people think that 1 is a good value, and it's a perfectly valid setting - there are arguments for an against the various settings. Maybe jsut best to leave it alone.
[12:43] <[Saint]> There's no debate to be had, as far as I know.
[12:43] <Xark> Encrypt: SD cards will fail sooner or later if written to with any frequency in my experience (on RPi).
[12:43] <[Saint]> Flash has finite write cycles. Fact is fact.
[12:43] <Encrypt> Ya
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[12:44] <Raspiman> i will not edit it gordonDrogon, i dont have enough knowlege to edit it
[12:44] <Encrypt> Raspiman, Sudo nano <yourfile> ;)
[12:44] <SpeedEvil> [Saint]: yeah - the fun debate is how do block writes turn into NAND block erases.
[12:44] <Raspiman> yes i am in the file Enctpyt, but i dont gonna edit it
[12:44] <Encrypt> Just modify it, "Ctrl"+"O" to save it, "Ctrl"+"X" to exit ;)
[12:44] <FR^2> Flash file system 2? ^^
[12:45] <gordonDrogon> with SD, there's finite lifetime - however for most general use, the lifetime exceeds that length of time the card stays usefull.
[12:45] <SpeedEvil> [Saint]: That can easily vary by a factor of 10^5 or so, depending on realistic assumptions.
[12:45] <linuxstb> Xark: What do you mean by "any frequency" ? I've had no problems with my SD cards.
[12:45] <SpeedEvil> A misconception is that the wear leveling occurs over the whole card - it does not.
[12:45] <gordonDrogon> so the SDs I have - in moderate use - little bit of compiling, X windows, ssh, etc. I fully expect to last the life of the Pi.
[12:45] <gordonDrogon> or until I decide that 4GB is too small.
[12:46] <SpeedEvil> Write a logical block in a specific location, and perhaps a thousand real NAND blocks may get worn over time.
[12:46] <gordonDrogon> My camera SD - well I took 470 photos last night, about 3.5GB and it's also a 4GB card.
[12:46] <gordonDrogon> and that's about normal for a nights photography. That card is now a year old...
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[12:46] <FR^2> So what about using F2FS for the partitions on the sdcard? ^^
[12:47] <Raspiman> vm.min_free_kbytes=8192, can i lower that to create more free ram? or is that dangerous?
[12:47] <Xark> linuxstb: Well, perhaps I have been unlucky. Using reasonable sandisk SD cards. I have had issues. I have now switched to put my root on an external USB HDD and it seems to be working better for me.
[12:47] <SpeedEvil> gordonDrogon: Contiguous writes are the best case. Write amplification can happen in a very severe manner, for workloads that the internal wear leveling algorithm isn't very good at.
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[12:48] <SpeedEvil> The other fun part is failure modes.
[12:48] <[Saint]> Raspiman: "more free RAM" isn't necessarily a good thing. Unless you have a process that makes a sudden, massive allocation.
[12:48] <SpeedEvil> There is no SMART.
[12:49] <SpeedEvil> The SD card can simply fail to 'boot' one day, or stop working after a specific block is touched - or have errors.
[12:49] <[Saint]> Raspiman: I usually take the view that free RAM is wasted RAM. But it doesn't work like this for all situations of course.
[12:49] <Raspiman> saints, i am using my raspberry pi as a newsnab server. i want to use all the ram i have :P. But i dont want to crash the pi every time
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[12:50] <[Saint]> Doesn't that contradict what you just said?
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[12:50] <[Saint]> Do you want to use the RAM, or do you want it free? :-S
[12:51] <[Saint]> If its free...it isn't being used :)
[12:51] <gordonDrogon> free RAM is wasted RAM -which is why Linux has the cache/buffer mechanism...
[12:51] * [Saint] nods
[12:51] <Raspiman> i can set the usage of ram higher in php.ini file.
[12:52] <gordonDrogon> fwiw: http://moor.drogon.net/dump/free.txt output of a 256MB Pi running X (via vnc) and xfce4. even wil swappiness at 90, it's not swapping yet - I've only been compiling C on it though.
[12:53] <Raspiman> i am running now: mysql-server,php-pear,php5-curl,php5-fpm,nginx,phpmyadmin
[12:53] <gordonDrogon> eek :)
[12:53] <Davespice> anyone seen this yet? http://www.engadget.com/2013/06/19/raspberry-pi-xbmc-solution/
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[12:55] <linuxstb> Davespice: Hmm, $49.99 vs £45.99 - something is wrong ;)
[12:56] <Davespice> looks like its just e14 trying to make money out of it, but I like the little pad
[12:56] <linuxstb> $49.99 seems good value. Not sure about £45.99
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[12:58] <bumbar> it is possible i killed my pi by removing sd card while still powered?
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[12:59] <linuxstb> bumbar: You likely corrupted the SD card, but the Pi itself should be fine.
[13:00] <bumbar> linuxstb, is it possible to recover (some) data then?
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[13:00] <linuxstb> Do you have access to a LInux PC?
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[13:01] <Raspiman> Or a VM maybe?
[13:02] <bumbar> i have ubuntu, as dual boot
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[13:04] <FR^2> ddrescue to the rescue! \o/
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[13:09] <Davespice> I've done this before and SD card was not corrupted :)
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[13:14] <gordonDrogon> Yes - I got away with it once - pulled the wrong SD card out!
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[13:14] <gordonDrogon> Pi was unhally when I plugged it back in, but a reboot and it was fine.
[13:15] <gordonDrogon> *unhappy.
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[13:16] <knob> Good morning to all =)
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[13:24] <knob> rPi expresso machine? Anybody seen this? http://blog.zipwhip.com/2013/02/19/zipwhip-text-enabling-of-the-delonghi-magnifica-espresso-machine/
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[13:26] <ozzzy> what possible use is a cloud-enabled expresso machine
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[13:27] <Xark> ozzzy: You can crowd-source your morning beverage (i.e., completely worthless). :)
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[13:38] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/coffee1.jpg and coffee2.jpg
[13:38] <gordonDrogon> Pi controlled espresso machine - they put that together about a year ago IIRC.
[13:38] <gordonDrogon> the Pi runs their till software too - so they use a laptop with a web browser to talk to it :)
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[13:39] <tzarc> the the rpi blend?
[13:39] <tzarc> did the*
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[13:44] <FR^2> Hmm. I could do that, too - replace the power switch, the two buttons with relais powered by a raspi. Bow then again... what for?
[13:46] <Bushmills> mine has an hitachi microcontroller built-in. nowadays known as renesas. i thought of replacing the firmware against custom written, so there's a Forth compiler in the machine.
[13:47] <Bushmills> i happen to know those H8 controller, as i did several projects with those
[13:47] <Bushmills> espresso machine may make a great host :)
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[13:47] <Bushmills> but network/cloud support is of questionable benefit
[13:48] <Bushmills> maybe one button for "world mood coffee"
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[13:49] <Xark> Bushmills: Sounds like it might be a bit bitter of late....
[13:50] <Bushmills> that's how i drink my coffee :)
[13:50] <Xark> :D
[13:51] * Xark puts on the kettle...
[13:51] <Bushmills> i switched to quad-espresso in a mug a while ago
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[13:52] <Xark> Bushmills: I have made more than a few "quad-damage" lattes myself. :)
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[13:52] <Bushmills> alas those controller aren't powerful enough for regular linux
[13:53] <ozzzy> run QNX
[13:53] <Bushmills> but Forth runs great on those
[13:54] <gordonDrogon> that espresso machine I posted the (bad) photos of - it was rescued from the junk pile - the control board was blown - so the Pi controlls the water temp & fill solenoid and the pump too. so sitting idle it keeps it justoff the boil and the web interface tells it how long to run the pump for...
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[13:54] <Bushmills> sounds like fun
[13:54] <ozzzy> I might have used an arduino for that
[13:55] <ozzzy> but then... that's where I come from... a few more months with the pi and I might change
[13:55] <Bushmills> mine were also both rescued from disposal
[13:55] <Bushmills> alas both in perfect working order
[13:55] <ozzzy> temp=50.8
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[13:56] <Bushmills> well, almost. the first had a defective temperature sensor
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[13:56] <Bushmills> the self-diagnostic even told that.
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[13:58] <k_sze> Does the raspberry pi have any kind of firmware update apart from the OS?
[13:58] <ozzzy> temp=51.9
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[14:01] <SpeedEvil> k_sze: not really
[14:01] <SpeedEvil> k_sze: there is a seperate bootloader blob that runs on the GPU.
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[14:02] <SpeedEvil> But that's sored on the SD - there is firmware you can update that is srored anywhere else
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[14:05] <k_sze> you mean there is *no* firmware I can update that is stored anywhere else
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[14:06] <Bushmills> everything what's running is loaded from sd-card anyway
[14:07] <Bushmills> so feel free to update all you want there
[14:10] <[Saint]> you could update the kernel to the 'next' branch if you really wanted to.
[14:11] <[Saint]> otherwise, dist-upgrade will upgrade everything, assuming the sources are up to date.
[14:14] <[Saint]> "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade && apt-get install rpi-update && branch=next rpi-update" would have you at the very bleeding edge of everything.
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[14:48] <yehnan> Hi, suppose my rpi needs using pppoe and pppoeconf to connect to internet. However, it doesn't network connection now. So I need to manually download the packages(pppoe, ppp, pppoeconf). Where should I go to and download? Here? http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/ppp under Architecture armhf?
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[14:51] <LordDoskias> yehnan, yes
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[14:51] <LordDoskias> yehnan, but i'd advise you to check the binarie sin the raspbian repo
[14:52] <LordDoskias> http://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianRepository
[14:52] <yehnan> Lord_DeathMatch: pardon?
[14:52] <yehnan> LordDoskias: ok, let me see. thanks.
[14:52] <Lord_DeathMatch> XD
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[14:52] <linuxstb> Wouldn't those be armv7?
[14:52] <yehnan> LordDoskias: oops, my bad.
[14:52] <linuxstb> (in the official debian repo)
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[14:59] <yehnan> LordDoskias: I get ppp and pppoeconf, but can't find pppoe http://archive.raspbian.org/raspbian/pool/main/p/
[14:59] <LordDoskias> dunno
[14:59] <LordDoskias> let'e me check
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[15:10] <yehnan> LordDoskias: the discussion here http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=11758 only metioned the packages libpcap0.8, ppp and pppoeconf. No pppoe.
[15:10] <LordDoskias> well when i do from raspbian aptitude search pppoe i do get a pppoe package
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[15:11] <k_sze> generating all locales in rasp-config is painfully slow. I shouldn't have done that.
[15:12] <LordDoskias> yehnan, http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian/pool/main/r/rp-pppoe/pppoe_3.8-3_armhf.deb
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[15:14] <yehnan> LordDoskias: thanks a lot. I'm trying...
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[15:18] <k_sze> Is it safe to interrupt the locale generation in rasp-config?
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[15:27] <LordDoskias> anyone with experience with openmax ;)
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[15:47] <Brandano> k_sze: I presume that in the worst case scenario you might have to start over. Which should rob you of a few minutes, but shouldn't be too terrible.
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[15:54] <k_sze> When I select a keyboard layout, do the left and right ctrl, alt, shift, and Windoze keys count as separate keys?
[15:55] <k_sze> (104 vs 105-key keyboard)
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[15:57] <yehnan> k_sze: i think so.
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[15:57] <Brandano> eh.. I thjink they do. then again, the keyboard I have does not have an right Alt key, and the left Alt key is alt-gr. I never really got the right layout set
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[15:59] <Brandano> I have this one: http://www.vultech.it/?wpsc-product=gs-1177
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[16:04] <donta> can I run the rpi config over ssh?
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[16:06] <FR^2> yes, should work.
[16:06] <FR^2> though I encountered some issues from time to time
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[16:06] <RudeViper> Morning all
[16:07] <ParkerR> Morning
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[16:07] <RudeViper> Anyone here run a minecraft server on their pi's?
[16:07] <RudeViper> it's only going to hold 4 or 5 people and that is all it will do
[16:07] <FR^2> yes, sure, with about 100 people actively playing at the same time ;)
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[16:08] <donta> FR^2: Would it hurt to expand the file system over ssh with services running?
[16:08] <k_sze> I just finished using raspi-config and told it to reboot. All I get now is the colour gamut square on the screen.
[16:08] <donta> I never did it when setting up :(
[16:08] <RudeViper> ROFLMAO - That's why I included the 2nd statement - lol
[16:08] <Brandano> k_sze: wait a few seconds
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[16:08] <k_sze> No light is flashing at all.
[16:08] <FR^2> RudeViper: Oh, come on, what did you expect?
[16:09] <k_sze> no LED, I mean.
[16:09] <RudeViper> FR^2 - exactly what you said - which is why I put the 2nd one up - lol
[16:09] <FR^2> RudeViper: *g*
[16:09] <Brandano> k_sze: then something went wrong? try rebooting and holding shift, you should get a recovery screen
[16:10] <Brandano> how did you install, btw?
[16:10] <k_sze> NOOBS
[16:10] <RudeViper> just trying to find a solution to my problem - our current server is running on someone elses computer - but it keeps lagging out after a while - and when he uses it while server is running
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[16:10] <Brandano> odd. I used NOOBS as well and the install went without a hitch. Raspbian
[16:11] <k_sze> NOOBS --> Raspbian
[16:11] <ParkerR> Wth is NOOBS
[16:11] <k_sze> New Out Of Box Software
[16:11] <k_sze> !NOOBS
[16:11] <k_sze> hmm, no channel bot?
[16:12] <Brandano> ParkerR: it's a simplified multi-os installer, at the cost of SD card space
[16:12] <Brandano> not multiboot, though. Maybe that's a future step
[16:13] <Brandano> A good starting point, probably abominion to the experts, though
[16:13] <Brandano> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/4100
[16:13] <k_sze> Brandano: Is the raw Raspbian image any better?
[16:13] <Brandano> I bet the name was choosen to make it hard to google for it
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[16:14] <ParkerR> Umm why not just use berryboot?
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[16:14] <Brandano> k_sze: no idea. I got my PI a week ago and haven't really started to fully explore the possibilities
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[16:15] <k_sze> ParkerR: It's not like I need multiple OSes.
[16:15] <k_sze> I'll most likely just stick to Raspbian.
[16:15] <k_sze> I'm a Debian/Ubuntu guy.
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[16:21] <k_sze> How do I use `dd` to write the image anyway?
[16:21] <k_sze> use the SD card device node as the stdout target?
[16:21] <Brandano> man dd ?
[16:22] <bacobart> dd if=file.img of=/dev/carddevicename
[16:22] <bacobart> and man dd
[16:22] <bacobart> ;)
[16:24] <k_sze> ya, that's what I guessed.
[16:24] <k_sze> Not sure how well this would work in Mac OS X though.
[16:24] <k_sze> IIRC, the device node disappears when I unmount the volume.
[16:24] <k_sze> which is weird.
[16:24] <k_sze> Do I need to unmount the SD card first?
[16:25] <bacobart> yeah that would be wise
[16:25] <k_sze> Yeah, the device node disappears...
[16:26] <k_sze> Mac OS X can be weird like this.
[16:26] <Brandano> ParkerR: well, one reason to use NOOBS in place of berryboot would be if there is no internet connectivity available
[16:27] <bacobart> im not a mac user so i cant help you there
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[16:28] <bacobart> maybe http://elinux.org/RPi_Easy_SD_Card_Setup#Using_Mac_OSX will help
[16:28] <comradekingu> k_sze: forgot the "bs=1M" at the end
[16:29] <Pitel_IPEX> in what format is the RPi camera sending video? somehtig raw, or h264?
[16:31] <ParkerR> comradekingu, bs isn't required but can speed up writing a little bit
[16:31] <SpeedEvil> Pitel_IPEX: It's raw - from the camera - but processed byt he GPU
[16:32] <Pitel_IPEX> SpeedEvil: so I can get smooth 1080p 30fps stream in h264?
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[16:32] <Pitel_IPEX> SpeedEvil: I am thinking about videoconferencing
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[16:34] <k_sze> oh, the raw image is an img.
[16:35] <k_sze> I wonder if Mac OS X's graphical Disk Utility can deal with it.
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[16:37] <x12> Hi, I have a question about controlling a Raspberry Pi wirelessly
[16:37] <x12> I would like to make an 'rc car' using one, and I was wondering the best way to wireless steer one and such
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[16:38] <x12> I have considered connecting it to a wifi network, but I don't believe there will always be one available
[16:38] <Brandano> x12: I'd use servos
[16:38] <x12> This leads to things such as a bluetooth wiimote
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[16:38] <x12> Brandano: I have the base sorted, I'm thinking about the wireless control
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[16:38] <bacobart> k_sze: did you look at http://elinux.org/RPi_Easy_SD_Card_Setup#Using_Mac_OSX ?
[16:38] <Brandano> wifi?
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[16:39] <linuxstb> x12: You could setup the Pi to be a wifi access point
[16:39] <x12> linuxstb: And then run a web interface on it which an iPad would connect to?
[16:39] <Brandano> or a wifi client and run a service on it
[16:39] <x12> linuxstb: I thought of that, but I didn't know the pi could be a hotstpot
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[16:39] <linuxstb> x12: I'm sure googling for "pi wifi hotspot" will tell you how ;)
[16:39] <x12> linuxstb: Thanks :D
[16:40] <k_sze> bacobart: interesting
[16:40] <k_sze> should I still set bs=1048576?
[16:41] <k_sze> if using rdisk#
[16:41] <Brandano> the most recent one will turn the pi in a TOR anonymizing proxy hotspot
[16:41] <x12> Looks like I'll be using Node.js along with Socket.io to provide a web interface
[16:41] <x12> Sounds awesome to me :D
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[16:45] <bacobart> k_sze: bs is just the block size in which it'll write, if you omit it it doesnt matter it'll just be a bit slower i guess
[16:45] <bacobart> just make sure you're using the right rdisk device
[16:45] <Brandano> x12: add a webcam and video streaming
[16:46] <linuxstb> k_sze: My tip - don't use sudo, it's normalyl not needed to write to the SD card
[16:46] <linuxstb> And will reduce the likelyhood of you writing to the wrong device
[16:46] <k_sze> linuxstb: yep, I didn't use sudo.
[16:46] <x12> Brandano: Not really the thing we're looking for. This is a project for something we're doing as a class in school. It will be controlled by an iPad, and made over 3 days before being raced against eachother xD
[16:46] <Brandano> x12: monitor, speakers and microphone too, of course. then you can have this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bIoeBpSeU4
[16:46] <x12> Brandano: I could add one, but we don't need one, and it just adds to difficulty coding (everyone in the class is a noob and need teaching JS), and cost.
[16:47] <x12> Brandano: xD How have I never seen that episode before
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[16:49] * Brandano thinks a virtual presence bot is a fit application for a PI
[16:49] <Brandano> I wonder what sort of battery pack would work best for it
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[16:50] <donta> The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:
[16:50] <donta> libc-ares2 libperl5.14 libpython3.2
[16:51] <donta> should I remove them?
[16:52] <Brandano> donta: you can autoremove them
[16:52] <Brandano> it won't hurt anything if you leave them be, but they waste space
[16:52] <Brandano> raspbian, right? In that case sudo apt-get autoremove should do
[16:52] <donta> Thank you Brandano, I've got a 32GB card so maybe I'll just leave them?
[16:53] <donta> yes, raspbian latest
[16:53] <k_sze> Must be me doing something wrong, the image doesn't boot at all.
[16:53] <Brandano> it will just keep telling you they are not needed
[16:53] <donta> true ^
[16:53] <donta> Brandano: any ideas how they got installed in the first place?
[16:53] <Brandano> k_sze: odd, really. Perhaps an hardware issue, or bad voltage?
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[16:54] <Brandano> donta: needed by packages that were then replaced or removed
[16:54] <donta> ah, okay
[16:54] <Brandano> or upgraded. python is probably at 3.3
[16:54] <k_sze> if I use dd with the image, then it really doesn't matter how I format the card, right?
[16:54] <donta> how do I check python version? python --version?
[16:54] <Brandano> k_sze: it shouldn't
[16:55] <donta> Python 2.7.3
[16:55] <Brandano> donta: that will do. Or just run the python console
[16:55] <donta> Brandano: kk
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[16:56] <Brandano> but that will tell you what the /usr/bin/python points to
[16:56] <Brandano> you can have several python installs at the same time
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[16:56] <Brandano> k_sze: probably other people will be better able to help. I know that RPI is sensitive to voltage fluctuations
[16:57] <Brandano> if you have an ftdi adapter you could check the console while starting
[16:57] <k_sze> The USB power supply I use should be pretty stable.
[16:57] <x12> Brandano: I think a laptop battery would be pretty good for a telepresence bot
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[16:58] <x12> Brandano: And a 12v display
[16:58] <Brandano> x12: I was thinking a couple of power tool batteries, with conditioning circuitry and a way to swap them
[16:59] <Brandano> it would make it fairly simple to drive a couple of old power drills to move the wheels
[16:59] <k_sze> right...
[16:59] <x12> Brandano: That would work too, seeing as they're like 18V
[16:59] <k_sze> I know what I did wrong now.
[16:59] <k_sze> I'm supposed to overwrite the WHOLE SD card
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[17:00] <k_sze> rdisk2 instead of rdisk2s1
[17:00] <Brandano> ah, wrong partition setup?
[17:00] <Brandano> it needs to write the MBR
[17:00] <k_sze> yeah, that makes sense now.
[17:00] <k_sze> I was half wondering about that ("should it have to update the MBR?")
[17:01] <ant_thomas> Just got a cheap stepper motor and using a ULN2803 it only generally manages to move backwards and using an L293D it won't move either direction. In all cases the motor vibrates. I've tried various delays (1, 5, 10, 20 ms). Any ideas? Is the motor faulty?
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[17:01] <Brandano> ant_thomas: probably wiring fault
[17:01] <Brandano> ant_thomas: are you sure you got the motor windings in the right order?
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[17:03] <ant_thomas> I've been using the adafruit guide, copied that wire for wire word for word. I'll take everything apart and try again
[17:03] <Brandano> ant_thomas: maybe the motor wires don't follow the same colors?
[17:04] <Brandano> better grab a tester and check the impedance of the windings to work out the configuration
[17:04] <x12> ant_thomas: Is it an adafruit motor?
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[17:06] <ant_thomas> Not bought from adafruit but it's exactly the same model (28BYJ-48 5VDC)
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[17:07] <k_sze> yay, it's booting
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[17:08] <x12> ant_thomas: That's odd. Google the model and see if there are any diagrams with the same wiring
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[17:24] <Superburke_> hi folks.
[17:24] <Superburke_> can someone recommend a powersupply for the pi?
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[17:29] <Eduard_Munteanu> Superburke_: use a phone charger that supplies enough current
[17:30] <Eduard_Munteanu> I wish the RPi had proper USB gadget support...
[17:33] <Superburke_> eduard, don't have any. only my htc which gives 200ma
[17:34] <Brandano> hmm, that seems too small for a telephone
[17:34] <Superburke_> i bought this one off amazon, couldn't power my keyboard at all:
[17:34] <Superburke_> http://www.amazon.co.uk/iZKA-Supply-Charger-Raspberry-1000mAh/dp/B008MWDTW4/
[17:34] <Brandano> you sure it's not 2000?
[17:34] <Brandano> Superburke_: better use a powered USB HUB
[17:34] <Brandano> there's actually an issue with the traces to the USB port being too thin to supply enough current
[17:35] <Superburke_> brandano: I did. I think one of my adapters (ps/2 > usb) is killing my keyboards.
[17:35] <Superburke_> I tried it with a keyboard that worked a few days ago, and that keyboard is no longer working with my pc.
[17:35] <Brandano> some people actually modded the PI to carry the power from the power socket to the usb port. but that skips the protection fuse....
[17:35] <ant_thomas> x12, Brandano: Well I've rewired with the ULN2803 and it now only goes forwards. Very odd!
[17:36] <Brandano> not necessarily a ood idea
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[17:36] <x12> ant_thomas: Well then xD It seems only one direction works at all
[17:36] <x12> ant_thomas: And you just switched it
[17:36] <Brandano> ant_thomas: the ULN2803 is just a buffer. Possibly you are writing the wrong values?
[17:37] <ant_thomas> x12: didn't switch anything, just took apart and wired up again as before. I think I need to do a bit more research
[17:37] <Superburke_> i'm really annoyed at this point because 3 things have been misleading or faulty from amazon.
[17:38] <Brandano> the way you control direction is by sending different data sequences: 0011>1001>1100>0110 or 0011>0110>1100>1001
[17:38] <Eduard_Munteanu> It's pretty easy to get 1A-ish rated 7805s (at least SMD variants last I looked).
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[17:38] <Brandano> the l293 is a dedicated driver ic, so you tell it the direction on one pin and the step on another
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[17:38] <ean> hi all!
[17:39] <ant_thomas> Brandano: Which would you recommend to use? since I have both sat here!
[17:40] <Brandano> ant_thomas: depending on what you want to do, both will work. I think the 293 might use fewer wires?
[17:41] <Brandano> Ah, no, they are both just two buffering circuits
[17:41] <Superburke_> i'm rpetty much ready to give up with this completely.
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[17:42] <Brandano> ant_thomas: I was confusing it with the l298, that is generally used as driver for the 293
[17:43] <Brandano> Superburke_: I only ever used an USB keyboard wioth mine
[17:44] <Superburke_> Brandano: I'm using a PS2 because that's all I can find around. Didn't want to have to buy a brand new keyboard. It looks as though the adaptor I bought has actually killed the keyboards
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[17:44] <digitalfiz> or age killed it? :P
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[17:44] <Brandano> that's weird. shouldn't get more than 5v through anyway
[17:45] <Superburke_> 3 items i've bought have been 1. inefficient or 2. broken
[17:45] <Brandano> it's not like ps2 keyboards are particularly fragile
[17:45] <OZTiX> Hello. I've accidentally removed kernel.img from the boot partition of my raspbian installation. Can I get this file somewhere in raspbian repository? (was running kernel 3.6.11+)
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[17:46] <Superburke_> I'm thinking i'm gonna just fork out a ton of cash now to get some stuff which i'm sure will work
[17:46] <histo> OZTiX: you can reinstall the kernel
[17:46] <Superburke_> that's exactly why I bought a NOOBS sd card, is a huge help if you mess up.
[17:46] <OZTiX> without booting?
[17:47] <histo> OZTiX: you can use any other linux system and chroot to the sdcard and use apt to install it.
[17:48] <OZTiX> humm
[17:49] <OZTiX> good.. How do I do the kernel reinstallation? Any special procedure or a simple apt-get install ?
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[17:49] <Brandano> Superburke_: I just bought an SD card and copied NOOBS on it...
[17:49] <donta> what is the command to view system stats? temp, free mem, cpu useage, etc?
[17:49] <Superburke_> Brandano: don't have an sd card read/write anywhere so can't.
[17:50] <Brandano> I replaced the floppy drives on my PC's with card readers. they make more sense
[17:50] <Brandano> and most laptops and netbooks come with an SD reader slot nowadays
[17:51] <Brandano> many people don't even know they have one...
[17:51] <Superburke_> i have an sd-mmc only.
[17:52] <Superburke_> can;'t write.
[17:52] <piney0> OZTiX, https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/tree/master/boot not sure which kernel version that is, but it's current, that I know.
[17:52] <Brandano> have you checked the "write protect" tab on the card?
[17:53] <Superburke_> yup, false.
[17:54] <Brandano> It seems only that an SD card adapter should be read only
[17:54] <Brandano> it's not like it needs additional circuitry to write
[17:55] <Superburke_> I think something locked down my write power. i'm gonna have to see if I can fix it later.
[17:55] <Brandano> the filesystem might get mounted as read only
[17:55] <Brandano> but you should still be able to wipe a card
[17:55] <Superburke_> I can wipe them, but I can't do anything else.
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[17:58] <k_sze> Raspbian is somehow not using the full 1080p resolution to display the desktop environment.
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[17:59] <Bushmills> how does that "somehow" show?
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[18:08] <Brandano> I am only using the RCA out. is there a way to adjust the signal timing? the desktop is set to be wider than my TV
[18:11] <Bushmills> have you tried fiddling with the overscan_ parameters in /boot/config.txt? raspbian assumed.
[18:11] <HonkeyGenius> Brandano, do you have overscan turned on in raspi-config?
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[18:13] <Brandano> HonkeyGenius: no idea, tbh
[18:14] <Brandano> I'll play with it when I get home
[18:14] <Brandano> btw, anyone has been playing with one of these? http://www.pololu.com/catalog/product/1352
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[18:16] <Bushmills> statistically, most likely, or they had disappeared from store already if nobody at all bought them
[18:17] <OZTiX> piney0 thank you!
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[18:19] <Brandano> Bushmills: touche! Anyone here in te channel, possibly using it with the RPI
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[18:19] <Brandano> it is essentially a serial device, it actually also has TTL serial input and output
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[18:21] <Eduard_Munteanu> How does the bootloader pick a kernel image to start? Does it look for kernel.img specifically?
[18:22] <Brandano> depends on the bootloader, I suppose
[18:22] <Eduard_Munteanu> Brandano: I mean the standard bootloader, no uboot
[18:22] <pksato> kernel.img is default.
[18:23] <Eduard_Munteanu> pksato: thanks... also, does it look for other names if that doesn't exist?
[18:23] <pksato> can specific other on some .txt
[18:23] <Brandano> I think it will read whatever is at 0 and execute it
[18:23] <Eduard_Munteanu> Oh, hm.
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[18:24] <Eduard_Munteanu> Brandano: mm, I don't think so... aren't you supposed to have a plain FAT fs on that?
[18:24] <Brandano> there it will find a bootloader that will look for kernel.img, that will then chain into another bootloader...
[18:25] <pksato> config.txt kernel parameter http://elinux.org/RPiconfig
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[18:26] <Brandano> www.arm.linux.org.uk/developer/booting.php
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[18:29] <Brandano> but before the bootloader can be executed the cpu has to read it from somewhere as well
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[18:29] <Brandano> I don't know what the convention is, but I presume it's at address 0
[18:30] <Eduard_Munteanu> Brandano: yeah, but that'd be the very first bootloader
[18:30] <Eduard_Munteanu> More like the BIOS in a computer than GRUB, to make an analogy.
[18:30] <Brandano> yup. Probably hardcoded
[18:30] <Brandano> perhaps can be overwritten, but likely it will brick the device
[18:30] <Eduard_Munteanu> Yeah, hardwired on the bus perhaps, even.
[18:31] <pksato> first boot strap of rpi is on GPU rom.
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[18:31] <Brandano> I still think it would be strange for it to need an hardcoded filename
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[18:31] <Brandano> concepts like filesystems should come later in the boot sequence
[18:32] <OZTiX> Eduard_Munteanu http://ceata.org/~tct/resurse/utlk.pdf check Appendix A, will probably clarify all your doubts
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[18:33] <Eduard_Munteanu> OZTiX: sure, but the RPi bootloader hasn't got much to do with Linux.
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[18:34] <OZTiX> Brandano Depends on the boot loader. Lilo takes the physical address of the kernel image written on the disk. Grub is able to mount the filesystem and load the kernel image.
[18:34] <pksato> Raspberry Pi boot process http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=6685
[18:35] <Eduard_Munteanu> OZTiX: physical address? :/
[18:35] <OZTiX> Eduard_Munteanu Indeed. But rpi mounts and loads the image from the small fat filesystem, right?
[18:35] <Eduard_Munteanu> OZTiX: yeah, much like any bootloader would do
[18:36] <Brandano> if the OS is installed on FAT. Can you boot from an EXT formatted card?
[18:36] <Eduard_Munteanu> Booting straight from boot sector isn't supported anymore... hasn't been for a while.
[18:36] <Eduard_Munteanu> Brandano: no, but all you need is a FAT partition
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[18:37] * Brandano only likes FAT you can fry in
[18:37] <Eduard_Munteanu> Heh.
[18:37] <Brandano> the entire exFAT thing was another neat can of worms
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[18:37] <OZTiX> Eduard_Munteanu: yes. Like.. if you move around directories the kernel image and put it back to it's original place, lilo will probably fail to boot next time.
[18:38] <Eduard_Munteanu> Ew, yeah. Beware sdcards.
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[18:38] <Eduard_Munteanu> OZTiX: ah, I see.
[18:39] <Brandano> OZTiX: this also means that you wouldn't be able to recover a broken kernel image by chrooting, unless you also took care of re-configuring the boot manager, right?
[18:39] <Eduard_Munteanu> Haven't used LILO since... phew.
[18:39] <Eduard_Munteanu> Brandano: yes, any configuration change required you to reinstall LILO into the boot sector.
[18:40] <OZTiX> Brandano right. you'll have to boot from another souce and run lilo to update the k-image address...
[18:40] <OZTiX> exactly
[18:40] <Eduard_Munteanu> Not sure how GRUB deals with it, perhaps only the offset of the 2nd stage is hardcoded?
[18:40] <pksato> http://kariddi.blogspot.com.br/2012/08/raspberry-pi-bare-metal-part-1-boot.html
[18:40] <Brandano> Eduard_Munteanu: AFAIK GRUB can actually mount the FS
[18:41] <Brandano> so it will just read where the file is
[18:41] <Eduard_Munteanu> Brandano: yes, but GRUB still has to fit a 1st stage bootloader into a 512bytes boot sector.
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[18:41] <Eduard_Munteanu> Then it loads the 2nd stage (somehow), which can be as large as you wish.
[18:41] <Brandano> the first thing it will do is to load grub, I suppose
[18:42] <Eduard_Munteanu> Yeah, I guess so.
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[18:43] <Eduard_Munteanu> Brandano: same Brandano as the one on Flightgear network/channel?
[18:44] <Brandano> yep
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[18:45] <Eduard_Munteanu> I wonder if I should make a small swap file/partition on the sdcard.
[18:46] <Brandano> hmm, depends on the card speed, and wheter you mind it eventually failing
[18:47] <Eduard_Munteanu> Hm, fair.
[18:47] <Brandano> it's one of the limitation you have to live with, I guess
[18:48] <Eduard_Munteanu> I'm already thinking I should try btrfs in ssd mode, or nilfs.
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[18:48] <Brandano> I think the sdram wear issue is overblown
[18:48] <SpeedEvil> SDRAM does not wear
[18:48] <Brandano> but really, the solution to low memory should be adding more memory
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[18:49] <Brandano> sorry, the SRAM wear issue
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[18:49] <Eduard_Munteanu> Flash. :)
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[18:49] <Brandano> al types of static ram will fail over time
[18:49] <Eduard_Munteanu> Or maybe you mean NVRAM.
[18:49] <Brandano> but the time might well be years
[18:50] <Eduard_Munteanu> SRAM usually means stuff like CPU cache memory.
[18:50] <Eduard_Munteanu> (which is volatile)
[18:50] <Bushmills> sram suffers from wear too :) aluminium ion poisoning.
[18:50] <Encrypt> I wish the RAM Box existed...
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[18:51] <Brandano> you are right. Sram is lost at power off
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[18:51] <Eduard_Munteanu> Bushmills: you mean human brain SRAM? :P
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[18:52] <Eduard_Munteanu> (Al is thought by some to be connected to the development of Alzheimer's)
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[18:54] <Bushmills> semiconducting material degrades. albeit slowly. usually the effect of metal ion diffuse into the substrate
[18:54] <Eduard_Munteanu> Ah, electromigration.
[18:54] <Bushmills> the higher the temperature, the speedier the poisoning.
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[18:57] <Eduard_Munteanu> Bushmills: I think it's voltage dependent too, not sure about switching frequency
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[18:58] <Eduard_Munteanu> Arguably higher frequencies imply higher leakage current, so I guess it is.
[18:58] <Brandano> time to go. bbl
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[18:58] <Eduard_Munteanu> Brandano: bye
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[19:00] <Bushmills> i tihnk you could safely call that "wear"
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[19:09] <Eduard_Munteanu> How does one install u-boot?
[19:10] <Eduard_Munteanu> Err, I think I should ask #raspbian instead.
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[19:37] <dagerik> yo bros and hoes. help me compile a list from play.com. I want to buy the cheapest possible raspberry, wifi dongle, hdmi cable, case and sdcard.
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[19:39] <shano_> why play.com? would amazon be cheaper?
[19:41] <dagerik> i dunno. play.com gives free shipping to norway i have heard
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[19:41] <Bushmills> cheapest case - unless you put something together yourself, like a sandwich box - i know of is $4.15. free delivery. my wifi dongle was $5.40, also free delivery.
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[19:42] <Bushmills> just yesterday i ordered more hdmi cables. about $2, free delivery
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[19:44] <Bushmills> no minimum quantity for free shipping, in all cases.
[19:45] <Bushmills> so what are your prices?
[19:46] <Bushmills> oh, raspberry pi b2 was 34€, free delivery. alas not to norway
[19:46] <dagerik> Bushmills: i want to go as low as possible.
[19:47] <Bushmills> well, i told you what i paid. i don't know what you pay therefore it's on you now
[19:48] <alisonc> Bushmills: where's the cheapest case?
[19:48] <Bushmills> fasttech.com
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[19:48] <alisonc> Thye sell counterfeit Lightning cables and EarPods...
[19:49] <Bushmills> like most chinese online shops.
[19:49] <dagerik> 2$ hdmi cable where?
[19:49] <Bushmills> also fasttech
[19:50] <dagerik> they cost 40$ for 2 metres hdmi cable here in norway in street shops
[19:50] <dagerik> with gold pins they say
[19:50] <alisonc> dagerik: holy shit
[19:50] <dagerik> atleast they look like gold
[19:50] <alisonc> Even in the US at shops a 2 metre HDMI cable costs only US$20
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[19:51] <Bushmills> 5 € in store in .de. flat cable, last week.
[19:51] <Bushmills> 1.50 m
[19:51] <alisonc> Currently the case is $3,74
[19:51] <alisonc> http://www.fasttech.com/products/0/10001230/1102603-protective-acrylic-box-enclosure-for-raspberry-pi
[19:52] <Bushmills> isn't that when buying 3?
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[19:52] <Bushmills> oh nice, went down again.
[19:52] <alisonc> Nope, $3.74 at single price.
[19:52] <Bushmills> they are quite reasonable. good fit, 3 mm acryl
[19:53] <dagerik> can the fasttech dudes send stuff to norway?
[19:53] <alisonc> It does say free shipping worldwide.
[19:53] <Bushmills> most likely
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[19:54] <dagerik> why doesnt fasttech sell raspberry pi
[19:54] <Bushmills> they're a bit fiddly when assembling, but that's probably with most of these kind of cases
[19:54] <alisonc> I bet the pimoroni folks are pissed off, the CHinese have bootlegged the pibow:
[19:54] <alisonc> https://dx.com/p/protective-9-layer-acrylic-case-enclosure-box-for-raspberry-pi-transparent-blue-204691
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[19:56] <dagerik> whats the thing here? doesnt regular hdmi cable handle 1080p? http://www.fasttech.com/products/0/10002292/1233000-hdmi-v14-hdmi-male-to-male-connection-cable
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[19:57] <chithead> of course not! and you need gold plated ethernet cable for gbit
[19:59] <dagerik> what function does the gold plated hdmi cables have
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[20:00] <chithead> gold is corrosion resistant
[20:00] <Bushmills> anti-corrosion and presumably better contact because of softness
[20:00] <Eduard_Munteanu> And a lot easier to scratch.
[20:01] <Eduard_Munteanu> Gold plating is snake oil, sort of.
[20:01] <chithead> here is the golden ethernet cable http://www.amazon.com/electronics/dp/B000I1X6PM a steal at only $9,999.00
[20:02] <chithead> ah wait that's the copper one
[20:02] <dagerik> if it works, it's golden
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[20:04] <donta> how can I check if the kernel needs updating?
[20:04] <Bushmills> i think the price comes from finalising those cables, by forming a circle around it, and chanting conductivity spells
[20:05] <Bushmills> gold is cheap nowadays :)
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[20:06] <dagerik> where can i find the cheapest raspberry pi model B? the lowest i seen is 50$
[20:06] <donta> dagerik: locale?
[20:06] <dagerik> norway europe
[20:07] <donta> http://uk.rs-online.com/web/generalDisplay.html?id=raspberrypi
[20:07] <donta> maybe?
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[20:12] <dagerik> donta: i never have seen that shop before. i dont wanna give them my visa info
[20:13] <dagerik> im uncomfortable with that
[20:13] <donta> dagerik: well... maybe amazon then?
[20:13] <donta> you'll be paying more probably...
[20:15] <Bushmills> i got to leave, therefor unasked link to the wifi stick. works in AP mode too. plug and play, essentially. raspberry tested: http://dx.com/p/ultra-mini-nano-usb-2-0-802-11n-b-g-150mbps-wi-fi-wlan-wireless-network-adapter-black-71905
[20:17] <dagerik> ill buy the pi in uk.rs-online.com and the rest parts on fasttech so i cat the total price as low as possible
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[20:20] <dagerik> who are these "chineese sellers on ebay"?
[20:20] <Bushmills> fasttech and dx are chinese too
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[20:20] <Bushmills> same stuff, most likely
[20:20] <Bushmills> and gone.
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[20:21] <dagerik> Bushmills: fasttech is run by chineese dudes and they ship the stuff from china?
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[20:26] <gordonDrogon> dagerik, so 'bro' is brother, but what on earth is 'hoes' ?
[20:27] <yggdrasil> whores
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[20:27] <bertrik> Letter O's
[20:28] <gordonDrogon> I think referring to women as whores or 'O's is somewhat derogatory.
[20:30] <gordonDrogon> it's hard enough for women to get into the 'tech' industry without having to put up with that.
[20:30] <bsdfox_> dagerik, RS is a huge retailer
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[20:30] <bsdfox_> one of if not the largest for components world wide
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[20:31] <alisonc> What bsdfox_ said
[20:31] <bertrik> gordonDrogon: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=sO6EE1xTXmw#t=130s :D
[20:32] <gordonDrogon> bertrik, your pint?
[20:32] <gordonDrogon> or point?
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[20:34] <bertrik> it's a non-derogatory video involving hoes
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[20:45] <dagerik> RS requires paypal when i order to norway
[20:45] <dagerik> mhm better make a paypal account then
[20:48] <shiftplusone> I am not sure that you need to make a paypal account to pay with paypal.
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[20:51] <alisonc> yeah, you shouldn't need to create a paypal account. you should be able to just use a credit card
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[20:59] <dagerik> what is the cheapest micro usb charger? im unable to find one on fasttech
[20:59] <dagerik> it also must work with the pi
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[21:01] <reindeerflotilla> hi guys, I'm looking to setup a raspi as an access point, but when running hostapd, I seem to always output "illegal Instruction". Has anybody bumped into this before?
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[21:04] <reindeerflotilla> I'm on a RT5370, which I know has AP mode thanks to iw list. I made sure to remove trailing whitespace from /etc/hostapd/hostapd.conf and simplified that down
[21:05] <reindeerflotilla> Is "Illegal Instruction" a general linux error? From what I've read I see it pop up when an executable is not compiled for the right cpu chipset or something?
[21:06] <dagerik> help me find a micro usb charger on fasttech
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[21:07] <reindeerflotilla> any help is much appreciated, I'm just trying to rebuild hostapd for arm somehow, using the reference at http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Documentation/hostapd
[21:09] <shiftplusone> dagerik, I don't think you'll have much like trying to get people to do that, but you can always start here http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals#Working_power_Adapters
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[21:10] <shiftplusone> reindeerflotilla, there should be an arm version in the repos, have you tried apt-get install hostapd?
[21:10] <shiftplusone> reindeerflotilla, http://elinux.org/RPI-Wireless-Hotspot
[21:10] <reindeerflotilla> yup
[21:10] <shiftplusone> and you're running raspbian?
[21:11] <reindeerflotilla> yup
[21:11] <reindeerflotilla> I'm starting off an image that has asterisk and a few other components pre-built on it: http://www.raspberry-asterisk.org/documentation/#nextsteps
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[21:13] <shiftplusone> hm =/
[21:13] <reindeerflotilla> apt-get install hostapd seems to pull down a version that won't run for me, looking at the adafruit guide it indicates to download their version of hostapd, so I think they built that for arm. I seem to get the same "Illegal Instruction" output using that version though
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[21:14] <reindeerflotilla> that guide is here: http://learn.adafruit.com/setting-up-a-raspberry-pi-as-a-wifi-access-point/overview
[21:14] <linuxstb> reindeerflotilla: apt-get install shouldn't get the wrong version, unless you modified /etc/apt/sources.list
[21:14] <shiftplusone> I'd start with official raspbian image and go from there. I am not familiar with whatever image you are using, so I can't really check that they haven't messed it up =/
[21:15] <reindeerflotilla> I did, added deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free so that I could download the firmware-ralink package
[21:15] <shiftplusone> oh
[21:15] <shiftplusone> well there's your problem
[21:15] <shiftplusone> maybe
[21:15] <linuxstb> Almost certainly.
[21:15] <shiftplusone> well there you go then
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[21:16] <reindeerflotilla> ok I'll unistanll hostapd, then remove that deb, but how would I find the firmware-ralink package?
[21:16] <reindeerflotilla> I'll look around
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[21:16] <shiftplusone> if firmware-ralink works, just download that deb and install it.
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[21:17] <reindeerflotilla> removing the deb from the source list won't kill the package I've already got installed though right?
[21:18] <shiftplusone> Not sure about the internals of apt.
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[21:22] <reindeerflotilla> well that worked
[21:22] <reindeerflotilla> awesome guys, thanks a ton
[21:23] <reindeerflotilla> I had no idea that the source list affected things in that way, of some reason I assumed that it would just be fine
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[21:23] <reindeerflotilla> good to know
[21:24] <shiftplusone> Lesson learned =D
[21:24] <shiftplusone> People have borked their installs doing that, so you got off easy.
[21:24] <reindeerflotilla> I keep thinking about apt-get like it's rpm but apt-get is much more low-level
[21:24] <reindeerflotilla> oh I think I did that previously
[21:24] <reindeerflotilla> had this same issue before and a whack of different problems as I tried to deal with this
[21:24] <reindeerflotilla> so I just flashed the card and started again
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[21:25] <shiftplusone> ah
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[21:30] <reindeerflotilla> does it usually take a long time to start up a network? I'm getting encouraging output but no network
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[21:30] <reindeerflotilla> it says: "Using interface wlan0 with hwaddr 00:0f:54:13:e2:d9 and ssid 'test'"
[21:32] <shiftplusone> I haven't tried hostapd, but connecting to a normal access point does not take much time at all.
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[21:33] <shiftplusone> But I suppose it will depend on the dongle and your voltage.
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[21:51] <elspuddy> hello :)
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[21:53] <Encrypt> elspuddy, Hello world!
[21:53] <elspuddy> im trying to set up a minecraft server on my pi, but each time i try to get jave it says ERROR: The certificate of `www.java.net' is not trusted. and ERROR: The certificate of `www.java.net' hasn't got a known issuer., any idear on how to fix this ?
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[22:00] <Eduard_Munteanu> What does the colorful screen mean?
[22:00] <Eduard_Munteanu> I'm trying to figure out why my debootstrapped raspbian doesn't boot.
[22:01] <mgottschlag> the colorful screen just means that the firmware has initialized the screen
[22:02] <Eduard_Munteanu> Any suggestions on how I could debug things further? My config.txt goes like this...
[22:02] <Eduard_Munteanu> kernel=vmlinuz-3.2.0-4-rpi initramfs=initrd.img-3.2.0-4-rpi
[22:03] <Eduard_Munteanu> And cmdline.txt says: ro root=UUID="5016f0ba-2414-4f5c-b7f9-4cbd551bcb08"
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[22:03] <mgottschlag> those filenames are correct?
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[22:03] <Eduard_Munteanu> Is there an EOL convention I should follow, e.g. CR+LF?
[22:03] <mgottschlag> and how long does the ACT/OK LED continue to blink randomly
[22:03] <Eduard_Munteanu> mgottschlag: yes, the boot partition contains both of those
[22:03] <mgottschlag> ?
[22:04] <Eduard_Munteanu> Lemme try...
[22:04] <mgottschlag> and, of course, do the LAN LEDs light up?
[22:05] <Eduard_Munteanu> mgottschlag: ACT stays on for a couple of seconds, then goes off
[22:05] <linuxstb> Eduard_Munteanu: You shouldn't use "=" with initramfs - see http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt#Boot
[22:06] <Eduard_Munteanu> Oh! Sorry, I missed that... thanks.
[22:07] <Eduard_Munteanu> How do I pick an address to load the initramfs at? I guess I need to pick one for the kernel too?
[22:08] <Eduard_Munteanu> I figure I could load the kernel at 0 and initramfs at KERNEL_SIZE ?
[22:09] <Eduard_Munteanu> Oh, I have an idea... maybe I can just make hardlinks for those.
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[22:26] <Eduard_Munteanu> The kernel seems to trip on the root=UUID=... in the cmdline.
[22:27] <Eduard_Munteanu> How do you specify the root device? The initramfs should chroot into that, not the kernel.
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[22:28] <ricksl> anyone play with arduino and know about how it handles serial, the people in #arduino aren't very helpful
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[22:33] <AlkazaR> oiiiiinbiiiiiiiiiii
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[22:36] <Eduard_Munteanu> Mm, maybe I need to use the initramfs option instead.
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[22:39] <bigx> hello! is there any dev that use nodejs to communicate with gpios?
[22:39] <bigx> i'm trying to use ADC to get analog values, and i would like to know if there is any lib that just handle it?
[22:40] <bigx> i know it's just about a simple function, but i'm not willing to reinvent the wheel
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[22:45] <gordonDrogon> there is a lib in C to handle it all.
[22:45] <gordonDrogon> and some ADCs are supported.
[22:46] <gordonDrogon> what ADC are you using?
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[22:47] <bigx> the mcp3004
[22:48] <bigx> i tried that: http://learn.adafruit.com/reading-a-analog-in-and-controlling-audio-volume-with-the-raspberry-pi/necessary-packages
[22:48] <yggdrasil> wow just watched a video for the ubuntu phone os.
[22:48] <bigx> and it works ok, but now i would like to use my favorite language
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[22:49] <bigx> it should be easy to translate the code, but i want to know if the work has already been done
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[22:50] <bigx> node.js is just a perfect fit to handle gpios with its event driven paradigm
[22:50] <bigx> (+ the bazillons of modules available)
[22:50] <gordonDrogon> bigx, there is a mcp3004 expansion module in wiringPi.
[22:51] <gordonDrogon> but only in C/C++
[22:51] <bigx> in node.js you can add native extensions written in c++, it would be a nice idea
[22:51] <gordonDrogon> I don't know if anyone's written a nodejs wrapper for it though.
[22:52] <bigx> but i'm too bad in this language
[22:52] <gordonDrogon> http://wiringpi.com/ is the page.
[22:52] <ricksl> gordon you might know this, how do you do fixed lenght hex over serial with the arduino serial library
[22:52] <bigx> i'm using this lib: https://github.com/EnotionZ/GpiO
[22:52] <ricksl> the people in #arduino are useless right now
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[22:53] <bigx> thx gordonDrogon , but you're famous, and i already know your lib :)
[22:53] <gordonDrogon> :)
[22:54] <gordonDrogon> so what to do: get my stuff, read the code for my SPI driver, then the mcp3004 driver and re-write it using that library in node.js :)
[22:54] <gordonDrogon> simples... as a little furry creature might say ;-)
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[22:57] <reindeerflotilla> hi guys, using hostapd I think I'm getting issues with a lack of entropy on the system
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[22:59] <pksato> reindeerflotilla: issues? weak keys?
[22:59] <reindeerflotilla> I ran it a few times initially and it worked, with -dd mode it would often spit out messages like this "Add randomness: count=1 entropy=0", but now it seems to have stopped displaying these messages. The access point never goes online now
[22:59] <Bushmills> there's a description how to use hardware noise generator of cpu. alternatively, there is haveged
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[22:59] <reindeerflotilla> ya so that's what I did
[22:59] <bigx> gordonDrogon yes that's the idea
[22:59] <bigx> :)
[22:59] <reindeerflotilla> installed it and ran it as a service
[22:59] <reindeerflotilla> but I don't seem to see any different results
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[23:00] <reindeerflotilla> when I go sudo nano /dev/random, should that file be empty? Or is it just unviewable by nano?
[23:00] <bigx> gordonDrogon, if you want to read about c++ extension for nodejs : http://nodejs.org/api/addons.html ;)
[23:00] <SpeedEvil> It will be unviewable by nano
[23:00] <SpeedEvil> It is of infinite length
[23:01] <jgalt> test
[23:01] <Bushmills> you could do cat /proc/sys/kernel/random/entropy_avail
[23:01] <Bushmills> if that's below 100 or 200 or so, that's a bit low
[23:02] <Bushmills> highest would be about 4095 or 4096
[23:02] <reindeerflotilla> it says 4096
[23:02] <gordonDrogon> bigx, if only I have time and an inclanation to write in node.js :)
[23:02] <reindeerflotilla> as per http://pthree.org/2012/09/18/haveged-continued/ I changed that to 4096
[23:02] <reindeerflotilla> the DAEMON_ARGS="-w 4096" for haveged
[23:03] <bigx> that's the problem with javascript! only few people get its real power :)
[23:03] <Bushmills> looking up wiki how to enable the RNG would give you higher quality randomness
[23:04] <reindeerflotilla> I'm quite confused as to what entropy even is in this context
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[23:04] <jgalt> is the RPi just slow and grosly underpowered or is something wrong? tried to watch a youtube vid in iceweasel and cpu went to 100%, interaction froze, and the video has not started playing after 5 min
[23:04] <Bushmills> but as long that it's not the nsa who is after you you should be fine with haveged
[23:04] <ricksl> Is there such a thing as an entropy server?
[23:04] <Bushmills> sort of, yes
[23:04] <reindeerflotilla> ha!
[23:04] <reindeerflotilla> the nsa is after us all
[23:04] <SpeedEvil> jgalt: yes, it's very, very slow
[23:05] <Bushmills> you could call haveged such. though it merely tops up random with pseudo random
[23:05] <reindeerflotilla> though I'm canadian so…..
[23:05] <jgalt> SpeedEvil, 5 minutes slow on even starting?
[23:05] <reindeerflotilla> so csis maybe
[23:06] <ricksl> Well I figured we already have networked time servers so why not networked random numbers
[23:06] <SpeedEvil> jgalt: It may have swapped itself to death
[23:06] <Bushmills> depends on a number of things. for example, input devices
[23:06] <gordonDrogon> jgalt, you will not watch a youtube vid on the Pi with iceweasel.
[23:06] <SpeedEvil> jgalt: It may or may not play a few more frames in the next 24 hours
[23:06] <Bushmills> network is also used as source for randomness
[23:06] <SpeedEvil> It is never going to play properly.
[23:07] <jgalt> gordonDragon, why not?
[23:07] <gordonDrogon> jgalt, it's too slow.
[23:07] <SpeedEvil> The Pi is very slow - the codec used is quite heavy to decode on the CPU. There isn't enough RAM - so that's frequently an issue - and the display is unaccellerated.
[23:07] <Bushmills> ricksl: the cpu on raspi contains a noise source
[23:07] <ricksl> how is the noise generated?
[23:07] <SpeedEvil> ricksl: A tiny quantum black hole.
[23:07] <Bushmills> probably thermal noise over diode or resistor
[23:07] <jgalt> is there something faster? different browser possibly?
[23:08] <reindeerflotilla> beagleboard?
[23:08] <SpeedEvil> jgalt: pandaboard/beagleboard
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[23:08] <ricksl> I want to see if I could use something like this http://www.entropykey.co.uk/
[23:08] <SpeedEvil> But I'm not sure that that will play youtube videos smoothly.
[23:08] <gordonDrogon> you can download them, strip out the flash wrapper and play ther h264 stream - I think there are tools to do that.
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[23:09] <gordonDrogon> the pi plays h264 in hardware, it's just the flash wrappers that get in the way.
[23:09] <ozzzy> SpeedEvil: keepvid.com will strip out youtube etc. videos
[23:10] <gordonDrogon> don't some of the media system manage youtube? raspbmc, etc. ?
[23:10] <SpeedEvil> ozzzy: quite
[23:10] <SpeedEvil> ozzzy: It's all of the above that's the problem
[23:10] <jgalt> SpeedEvil: well, yes the pi has been nothing but trouble getting it up and running while the beaglebone black next to it has been troublefree working out of the box.
[23:11] <SpeedEvil> ozzzy: playing directly doesn't involve the CPU at all basically
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[23:11] <reindeerflotilla> ok so I'm assuming that haveged is working fine b/c it returns 4096 for cat /proc/sys/kernel/random/entropy_avail, is there any other reason why hostapd might stop spitting out "Add randomness"?
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[23:11] <ricksl> but what are you using the beaglebone black for? not 1080p video playing I imagine
[23:11] <SpeedEvil> It's playing through a 'hardware' accellerator direct to the screen.
[23:11] <gordonDrogon> ca nyou make it use /dev/urandom rather than /dev/random ?
[23:11] <ozzzy> just scrolled... sorry
[23:12] <jgalt> guess I'll try it in midori, that's supposed to work
[23:12] <Eduard_Munteanu> I get "mmc0: Controller never released inhibit bit(s)" on this TDK 8GB class 10 sdcard. Any idea how to fix it?
[23:12] <gordonDrogon> jgalt, I don't think it'll work in midori either.
[23:12] <Bushmills> gordonDrogon: that's basically what haveged does, feeding replenishing random from urandom when necessary
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[23:12] <gordonDrogon> ah. ok.
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[23:14] <Eduard_Munteanu> Also, any idea what "trunk" means in linux-image-3.6-trunk-rpi?
[23:15] <Eduard_Munteanu> Bah, I'll try it anyway, maybe it fixes this issue.
[23:15] <Eduard_Munteanu> My guess is it's "trunk' wrt to Raspbian, not upstream
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[23:21] <reindeerflotilla> I bumped into a thread that looked to be similar to my issue, https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=151342 but I didn't see anything conclusive that I could link to what I'm seeing
[23:21] <reindeerflotilla> I've got a gist up with my hostapd -dd results here: https://gist.github.com/zachgoldstein/5818174
[23:21] <reindeerflotilla> if anything jumps out at you guys let me know. I've no idea what the issue here is
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[23:25] <jgalt> well it aint swapping at all, but top says gnash is taking 85.5% of the cpu and midori is now saying that it can't get to youtube.
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[23:25] <jgalt> .... with a huge number of error windows open
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[23:29] <ozzzy> I've had a knish but not a gnash
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[23:30] <Bushmills> time for flash to finally die
[23:30] <Bushmills> "it's not quite dead yet, it only smells a bit funny"
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[23:33] * SpeedEvil wishes sites would move away from flash
[23:34] <Eduard_Munteanu> So, is there any fix for the sdcard trouble? The 3.6 kernel didn't fix it.
[23:36] <Encrypt> Eduard_Munteanu, Which problem are you talking about?
[23:36] <Eduard_Munteanu> Encrypt: I get a bunch of mmc0: Timeout waiting for hardware interrupt
[23:36] <Eduard_Munteanu> They follow a single mmc0: Controller never released inhibit bit(s)
[23:38] <Eduard_Munteanu> I'm using a Nexus 4 phone charger which supplies 1.2A, and I only have HDMI plugged in.
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[23:42] <Eduard_Munteanu> Oh, I tried another card of the same type in another RPi, same issue.
[23:43] <Eduard_Munteanu> I used the official RPi foundation image on that one.
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[23:45] <TheDracle> Anyone here know of any binary compilation optimization measures that can be taken for the pi?
[23:45] <ozzzy> sounds like bad cards to me
[23:45] <TheDracle> I've targetted the specific architecture, and I'm using hard floating point.
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[23:45] <Eduard_Munteanu> ozzzy: bad how? My USB card reader reads it just fine, on this desktop computer.
[23:45] <TheDracle> Maybe there are some system level things I can do, besides overclocking?
[23:45] <SpeedEvil> TheDracle: Avoid opcodes ending in three. They're unlucky.
[23:46] <TheDracle> Obviously.
[23:46] <TheDracle> And those ending in sixes too.
[23:46] <TheDracle> I've used a hexeditor to change them all to sevens.
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[23:47] <ozzzy> Eduard_Munteanu: who knows... I've had cards that work perfectly in a camera not work in a card reader and vice-versa
[23:47] <TheDracle> I'm squeezing so much less performance out of my pi than the armv7 architectures I've worked with in the past.
[23:49] <Eduard_Munteanu> ozzzy: looking at that list on th elinux.org wiki it sounds like flaky hardware (drivers) / firmware on the RPi. I mean, pretty sure I can't just RMA the sdcard, no?
[23:49] <ozzzy> why not
[23:49] <jgalt> so what software will take advantage of the hardware decoding of video on the pi?
[23:49] <Eduard_Munteanu> I could try stress-testing the card on my computer, but I've got no reason to believe it's a bad card.
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[23:50] <ozzzy> Eduard_Munteanu: so try another make of card and see if it's the same
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[23:51] <Eduard_Munteanu> ozzzy: oh, I'm sure there's *some* card that works, but that doesn't solve the issue though. I'm not assuming the RPi card reader is defective.
[23:51] <TheDracle> jgalt, The omxplayer takes advantage of hardware decoding.
[23:51] <Eduard_Munteanu> ozzzy: actually I did try another card on the other Pi
[23:51] <Eduard_Munteanu> And it worked.
[23:51] <ozzzy> Eduard_Munteanu: well... the hardware is defective, the driver is defective or the sd card is defective
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[23:52] <TheDracle> jgalt, And there are gstreamer plugins that implement hardware optimized sinks for various formats.
[23:52] <ozzzy> take a few iterations to figure out which
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[23:53] <Eduard_Munteanu> ozzzy: right now I'm considering the idea that either the hardware is defective by design or the drivers/firmware have issues. More like the drivers, though, since the bootloader has no trouble loading the kernel / initramfs.
[23:53] <ozzzy> Eduard_Munteanu: I have 4 different types of SD cards here... from class 4 to class 10... they all work fine
[23:54] <ozzzy> now... what OS are you using
[23:54] <Eduard_Munteanu> ozzzy: Raspbian I debootstrapped myself, using only stuff from their repo. On the other Pi I tried a couple of official RPi Foundation images.
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[23:54] <Eduard_Munteanu> ozzzy: but same model of sdcard
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[23:55] <Eduard_Munteanu> I tried both the 3.2 and 3.6 kernels.
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[23:56] <ozzzy> well... you'll have to go through the paces of figuring out a 3 variable problem
[23:56] <Eduard_Munteanu> Oh, wait, I tried the official images on this Pi too.
[23:57] <Eduard_Munteanu> Just different, same model card.
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[23:58] <Eduard_Munteanu> I tried Googling for this stuff, a lot of people had similar issues.

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