#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2013-06-20

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[0:14] <donta> is anyone running truecrypt on their rpi?
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[0:24] <Encrypt> donta, Hey! :)
[0:25] <donta> hello
[0:25] <Encrypt> Why are you always coming here at midnight (GMT+1) ? :D
[0:25] <donta> it's midnight?! :)
[0:25] * donta has the blinds closed
[0:25] <Encrypt> Ya, in Paris, it is ;)
[0:25] <Encrypt> Well... 0:25 a.m.
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[0:26] <Encrypt> donta, What time is it where you live?
[0:26] <ricksl> A whole world exists outside your timezone ya know.
[0:27] <Encrypt> Yes, sure :p
[0:27] <donta> it sounds like a few people are running truecrypt on the pi, it must have a performance hit though, huh?
[0:27] <Encrypt> But I would have been pleased to talk with donta...
[0:27] <donta> Encrypt: mid afternoon
[0:27] <Encrypt> talk to*
[0:27] <Encrypt> Mokay... :p
[0:27] <Encrypt> donta, Ya, I imagine
[0:28] <donta> Encrypt: how's paris?
[0:28] <Encrypt> donta, Ya, I imagine // (answering to your question)
[0:28] <donta> yup
[0:28] <Encrypt> Well, it is fine :p
[0:29] <donta> you grow up there or move there?
[0:29] <Encrypt> I live 50 km south from Paris...
[0:29] <dansan> goddammit!
[0:29] <dansan> I thought this little MCP2210 spoke big endian and I've been sending everything backwards :(
[0:29] <donta> :(
[0:29] * dansan cries
[0:30] <Encrypt> donta, I'm afraid I have to go once more... :(
[0:30] <dansan> So if I had waited 38 seconds, my transfer would have completed because instead of waiting 30 ms between bytes it was waiting 7.68S
[0:30] <donta> bye Encrypt
[0:30] <dansan> bye
[0:31] <Encrypt> See you ;)
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[0:31] <dansan> ricksl: no, only about 23/24ths of the world :)
[0:31] <alisonc> How do people here feel about the cubieboard?
[0:32] <chithead> isn't that out of production already?
[0:32] <alisonc> Not according to http://liliputing.com/2013/06/cubieboard-gets-a-dual-core-upgrade-59-android-linux-mini-pc.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Liliputing+%28Liliputing%29
[0:32] <chithead> that is the cubieboard2
[0:32] <alisonc> THey've just upgraded it with a dual core A20
[0:32] <alisonc> http://cubiestore.com/collections/home-slide/products/cubieboard2
[0:32] <dansan> android sucks :(
[0:32] <dansan> I mean, it's great for touch screen...
[0:33] <alisonc> dansan: If I had a CUbieboard, I'd run Linux on it
[0:33] <chithead> android is linux
[0:33] <dansan> but I hate the philosophy, another one of those "lock down and control the device" products designed to keep the user out
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[0:33] <DeliriumTremens> android is based on a linux kernel
[0:33] <dansan> chithead: grrr
[0:33] <DeliriumTremens> it's a stretch to call it linux
[0:33] <alisonc> well, Uubntu or bdebian
[0:33] <dansan> chithead: Android is not GNU/Linux, which is all I care about
[0:33] <chithead> it's not gnu/linux, but neither is openwrt, most openembedded, etc.
[0:34] <dansan> _*_THUS_*_ the reason I use the term "GNU/Linux" (well, one of them
[0:34] <dansan> maybe the important distinction isn't reather or not it's "GNU/" Linux, but rather or not it's a truely free (as in freedom) OS
[0:35] <dansan> hey guys, is ARM a bit or little endian platform?
[0:36] <shiftplusone> bi-endian, but usually little
[0:36] <dansan> ahh, ty!
[0:36] <shiftplusone> (correct me if I am wrong, someone)
[0:36] <dansan> and I'm guessing that the kernel Raspian uses sets it up as little endian?
[0:36] <dansan> or maybe that's the boot loader or bios or something...
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[0:38] <Eduard_Munteanu> Any idea if building the latest rpi-3.9.y kernel from Git fixes any of those sdcard issues?
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[0:40] <Bushmills> alisonc: while i use a raspberry for specific services, i use a cubieboard as generalized desktop computer
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[0:42] <Eduard_Munteanu> This is annoying... http://www.raspberrypi.org/faqs says "We have tried cards up to 32GB and most cards seem to work OK."
[0:42] <shiftplusone> Eduard_Munteanu, are you overclocking?
[0:42] <Eduard_Munteanu> shiftplusone: nope, the only thing in config.txt is the kernel and initramfs directives.
[0:42] <alisonc> Bushmills: I use a Mini-ITX box as my generalised desktop computer.
[0:43] <shiftplusone> Eduard_Munteanu, got a non-class 10 card?
[0:43] <dansan> I managed to fill a 16G sd card today
[0:43] <Eduard_Munteanu> shiftplusone: not right now, but I did try a different card a week ago or so.
[0:43] <dansan> it was all syslogs from my noisy (infinate-looped) driver
[0:43] <Eduard_Munteanu> shiftplusone: that one worked, but I'd rather get this one working too
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[0:43] <dansan> *infinite
[0:44] <Eduard_Munteanu> For one thing I payed money for the card, and I'm also considering deploying a few tens of Pi's and I might not be able to get identical cards.
[0:45] <Eduard_Munteanu> Or even specific cards.
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[0:47] <shiftplusone> Eduard_Munteanu, have you checked your power supply?
[0:47] <DeliriumTremens> Eduard_Munteanu: whatcha usin' them for?
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[0:47] <Eduard_Munteanu> shiftplusone: mm, not really. It's a Nexus 4 charger that should supply 1.2A.
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[0:47] <DeliriumTremens> i would read up, but i'm not
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[0:48] <Eduard_Munteanu> DeliriumTremens: I didn't say... we're planning on making them play videos on TVs in stores.
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[0:48] <DeliriumTremens> i see
[0:48] <shiftplusone> Eduard_Munteanu, if you can use multimeter to check your voltage, mention you're not overclocking and provide some info from the logs, you could post here https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/issues/280
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[0:49] <shiftplusone> Eduard_Munteanu, or find/create a similar issue if that doesn't describe what's going on in your case.
[0:49] <Eduard_Munteanu> shiftplusone: alright, I'll get my DMM and check it a bit later.
[0:49] <shiftplusone> Eduard_Munteanu, I think your power is fine, but it's one of those things you want to cross off the list since it causes a lot of these problems.
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[0:50] <Eduard_Munteanu> shiftplusone: ah. I initially thought it was a power issue too, when I tested it on real USB.
[0:50] <shiftplusone> Some cards just don't work, so there's that.
[0:50] <Eduard_Munteanu> Not sure how much it eats while booting, assuming only HDMI is connected.
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[0:51] <Eduard_Munteanu> shiftplusone: I'm planning on running bonnie++ on the card on my computer now
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[0:52] <Eduard_Munteanu> I've seen some saying it might be workload-dependant, so plain installing a raspbian might not trigger it.
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[0:58] <Eduard_Munteanu> shiftplusone: what do you mean by "some cards just don't work"? Would that be a known non-compliance issue?
[0:59] <ozzzy> yep... 'some cards just don't work' is commonplace when talking about sd cards
[0:59] <shiftplusone> I don't know the specifics, but check here http://elinux.org/RPi_SD_cards
[1:00] <Eduard_Munteanu> I'll RMA it then and get something else.
[1:00] <Eduard_Munteanu> But why is my USB card reader working with it?
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[1:00] <shiftplusone> *some cards just don't work with a pi
[1:00] <ozzzy> I have 2 HP class 4 hdsc cards here.... they work in the pi but not in my Canon camera
[1:00] <Eduard_Munteanu> And seemingly the RPi firmware doesn't choke on it.
[1:00] <ozzzy> some cards just don't work sometimes
[1:03] <Eduard_Munteanu> It would be useful to know if it's the cards' fault or the reader's.
[1:03] <shiftplusone> I guess it's because the cards have microcontrollers in them to send and receive the SDIO or SPI data/commands, but they don't all communicate in exactly the same way. I don't know if the standard isn't clear enough or what...
[1:04] <shiftplusone> Eduard_Munteanu, neither, it's an incompatibility issue. Maybe it will be fixed in software later, maybe not.
[1:05] <Eduard_Munteanu> Er, I can't cite incompatibility issues if I return it. :)
[1:06] <Eduard_Munteanu> Or maybe I can, assuming the spec itself is crap.
[1:06] <shiftplusone> I don't know what the law is elsewhere, but over here, if you buy something that's not fit for the purpose it's commonly used for or the purpose you have specified, you can return it and get your money back.
[1:08] <ozzzy> yep... take it back
[1:08] <Eduard_Munteanu> Hm, I see.
[1:09] <ozzzy> why would you need to cite anything except 'it doesn't work for me'
[1:09] <Eduard_Munteanu> It's good to know if it happens when we order a bunch of cards.
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[1:09] <Eduard_Munteanu> Yeah, fair.
[1:09] <shiftplusone> It depends on where you live 'course.
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[1:09] <Eduard_Munteanu> Romania, so EU stuff should apply.
[1:10] <shiftplusone> k, no idea, I was referring to Australian Consumer Law, which may be quite different.
[1:10] <ozzzy> here in canada you can just say 'don't like it'
[1:11] <shiftplusone> Big companies don't usually make a fuss about returns.
[1:12] <jgalt> omxplayer does much better on the video than vlc but the audio is echoy in omxplayer.... any suggestions?
[1:12] <Eduard_Munteanu> It says 5 yr warranty on the package.
[1:12] <shiftplusone> Though in Japan, people suddenly lost the ability to speak English, any time they heard 'return', so there's the cultural aspect as well. =D
[1:12] <Eduard_Munteanu> Hehe.
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[1:14] <Eduard_Munteanu> Hm, I got 'Writing intelligently...Can't write block.: No such file or directory Can't write block 820092.' from bonnie++, but nothing in dmesg.
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[1:20] <Eduard_Munteanu> I guess there's no easy way to tell if a card's alright from the package? Like some certification / standards logo?
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[1:23] <shiftplusone> Other than referring to the list I linked, no. Though even that's not a guarantee either, it only means that card worked for that person at the time they tested it.
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[1:24] <Eduard_Munteanu> I see.
[1:24] * Eduard_Munteanu really wants plain flash chips with a serial bus attached... no wear levelling or crap
[1:25] <Eduard_Munteanu> Raw flash you could wear-level in software.
[1:26] <Eduard_Munteanu> Thanks to MS/Windows, vfat is considered a filesystem. :(
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