#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2013-06-24

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[0:00] <SpeedEvil> Datalink: the switch is not on the pins
[0:00] <SpeedEvil> Datalink: the read/write switch is a little slider on the side of the card.
[0:01] <Datalink> mechanical is (optionally) in the SD card itself, not in the reader, there's no mechanical sensor in readers for the write protect
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[0:04] * Datalink reads up on this, remembers seeing physical connection changes when taking apart adaptors... apparently it is mechanical... odd
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[0:05] <netman87> hmm i need network cable
[0:05] <netman87> maybe usb hub
[0:05] <netman87> and maybe another usb wlan
[0:06] <netman87> friend will tomorrow give me free flat tv/monitor
[0:06] <netman87> i have already one 32" flat tv that im not using actually (only 1360x778)
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[0:07] <Datalink> netman87, nice, do you know if the monitor has HDMI or if you'll have to use a DVI adaptor?
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[0:07] <Olipro> anyone familiar with the components on the RasPi Model B?
[0:07] <Datalink> Olipro, yes, any specific parts you wanna learn about, or just general specs?
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[0:09] <netman87> Datalink, im not sure but i should have enough adapters anyways
[0:10] <Datalink> netman87, okay, cool
[0:10] <netman87> friend is going to move to different city so she will just drop items/devices she doesnt need
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[0:11] <Datalink> netman87, ah, okay, makes sense, lightening the move is helpful
[0:11] <Datalink> afk, checking hardware
[0:12] <netman87> yeah. she said it stress too much to move all things so she rather get give ones i need for free and try to sell rest
[0:13] <netman87> but i did have only use for one more monitor. currently i have only 3 or 4 (own 4-5 but im using only 3 and some of them are in use of my relatives or in closets waiting for suitable use)
[0:15] <netman87> 22" 1600x1050, 18.5" 1280x720, 32" 1360x768, 1280x720 sanyo projector and some old monitors im using for testing or when im building new pcs (on working table so i can connect laptops/desktops im working on)
[0:15] <Datalink> .....
[0:15] <Datalink> okay 1GB SD was fine, 8GB SDHC is not x.x
[0:15] <Datalink> the latter was bought today, the former was out of a junk drawer
[0:16] <Datalink> netman87, time to buy more RPis
[0:17] <netman87> i dont need more... well i could use 1-2 more but too expensive for gain
[0:17] <netman87> i should get udroid but havent made order yet
[0:18] <netman87> i should also study about desinging PCB's
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[0:21] <Datalink> PCB design is fun but takes time, patience and dedication
[0:21] <Datalink> my short attention span isn't best for that
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[0:22] <ozzzy> Datalink: I layout PCBs with The GIMP
[0:23] <Plazma> that sounds painful
[0:23] <Datalink> Plazma, it takes a bit of planning, Gimp has vector support thoguh
[0:23] <Datalink> though*
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[0:23] <rikkib> RS has free PCB design software
[0:26] <SpeedEvil> 'pcb' is free, and I've used ot before - works OK
[0:26] <ozzzy> if I'm having the boards made I use Eagle
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[0:35] <Datalink> I tend to use Eagle too
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[0:42] <ShorTie> where is a good place to get 6 or so boards made ??
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[0:48] <SpeedEvil> Doublesided?
[0:48] <SpeedEvil> also - ##electronics
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[1:09] <Tickle> How to I reload bash_aliases?
[1:10] <Tickle> I can't get mine to work
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[1:13] <NullMoogleCable> hi
[1:15] <Bushmills> Tickle: if your aliases are written in the form alias name='...' , you can source filename
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[1:16] <NullMoogleCable> so here is my idea.. im going on a long roadtrip, 12 hours in a car. im thinking 3 wireless N usb adapters + large antenna
[1:17] <NullMoogleCable> + raspberry pi
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[1:17] <NullMoogleCable> would that be fast enough to connect to any available network and hop from net to net
[1:18] <Bushmills> depends on coverage and location
[1:18] <JakeSays> NullMoogleCable: i'm thinking tethering
[1:18] <Bushmills> i'd say in the middle of the gobi desert, there's no chance you can connect to even one network
[1:18] <NullMoogleCable> Ny to NC
[1:19] <Tickle> What do you plan to connect to?
[1:19] <Tickle> Just networks sprinkled across?
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[1:19] <sudohelp> ello
[1:20] <NullMoogleCable> yeah send emails, get skype messages
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[1:20] <sudohelp> h NullMoogleCable
[1:20] <Tickle> I don't think you would have enough time to connect and do everything without having interuptions unless you stop the car
[1:20] <Bushmills> driving 12 hours with average speed of 2 miles per hour should keep you within range of one single tower of the network you're connected to
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[1:21] <Tickle> Or do you plan to tether from your phone?
[1:21] <Bushmills> alternatively, you can drive 12 hours in circles around a tower, and stay connected too
[1:21] <sudohelp> Or you could stand in one spot, and be equally as frustrated.
[1:21] <sudohelp> :)
[1:21] <Bushmills> but that's not 12 hours driving
[1:22] <sudohelp> I missed the OP's question.
[1:22] <NullMoogleCable> network hopping with wifi on long car drive
[1:23] <Bushmills> ": so here is my idea.. im going on a long roadtrip, 12 hours in a car. im thinking 3 wireless N usb adapters + large antenna"
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[1:24] <sudohelp> Would it not be easier to just tether to a 3g hotspot, say on like a rooted android?
[1:24] <NullMoogleCable> I dont have a 3g hot spot or cell phone with data access
[1:25] <sudohelp> What distance are you talking? Or are you just doing an experiment?
[1:25] <NullMoogleCable> an experiment
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[1:25] <JakeSays> the way i like to deal with long drives is to go faster
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[1:26] <NullMoogleCable> it would be like wardriving at 55-65 mph :D
[1:26] <sudohelp> You could use an omnidirectional antenna for your basestation, and a yagi for your vehicle.
[1:26] <sudohelp> Would require a little manual manipulation while driving, but with the right transmission power you should be able to maintain a signal.
[1:27] <NullMoogleCable> well im not driving by a known wifi access point.
[1:27] <JakeSays> then you use a couple of servos to keep the yagi oriented properly
[1:27] <NullMoogleCable> this is a 12 hour 800+mile road trip :D
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[1:28] <sudohelp> It would be more cost effective to just purchase a shit android phone and tether it.
[1:28] <sudohelp> imho.
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[1:28] <IT_Sean> sudohelp, that language is not approperate for #raspberrypi
[1:28] <NullMoogleCable> your no fun
[1:28] <sudohelp> Apologies
[1:28] <sudohelp> I'll keep it PG. ;)
[1:29] <NullMoogleCable> why buy something when you can abuse technology :p
[1:29] <sudohelp> You could always run wifite on auto, and just pipe the output into a bash script that would auto connect to each intercepted / cracked signal.
[1:29] <SpeedEvil> NullMoogleCable: It's basically not going to work
[1:30] <sudohelp> But of course, that would be illegal.
[1:31] <NullMoogleCable> what about a map based on wifi signal strenths?
[1:31] <sudohelp> Map would be useless, because it is all relative to your location and reception.
[1:31] <NullMoogleCable> tie it into gps
[1:32] <sudohelp> Kismet does that automatically.
[1:33] <Bushmills> g-mon, wigle android map nicely ssids, signal levels, encrpytion, location
[1:33] <sudohelp> wut.
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[1:44] <sudohelp> If anyone is interested in checking it out, I set up a High Altitude Weather Balloon (HAB) project, using Raspberry Pi Camera Modules. It's based off Dave Ackerman's project. If you want to read more, you may do so at http://www.wayup.sethludwig.com
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[2:41] <JakeSays> how many amps does the average led draw?
[2:42] <malcom2073> Depends entirely on what resistor you put on it
[2:42] <pksato> modern led need less that 20mA to maximun eficience
[2:45] <JakeSays> hmm. i cant tell what the resistors are
[2:45] <JakeSays> they're surface mounted
[2:45] <JakeSays> and i cant seem to get a solid read with my multimeter
[2:46] <JakeSays> i have six of them - think that'd be too much of a draw on the +5v power pin?
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[2:49] <spacebug^> JakeSays: use a transistor first and an external power for leds, etc
[2:49] <JakeSays> they were being powered by 3 AAA batteries
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[2:49] <JakeSays> spacebug^: i do have a transistor
[2:49] <JakeSays> but i was hoping to power them from the pi itself
[2:50] <ShorTie> just an led ??
[2:50] <JakeSays> ShorTie: six of them
[2:51] <IT_Sean> driving them from what... GPIO pins?
[2:51] <ShorTie> independent or all on at once ??
[2:51] <JakeSays> IT_Sean: the +5v pin
[2:51] <JakeSays> ShorTie: all at once
[2:51] <IT_Sean> JakeSays, so, you just want them always on?
[2:51] <JakeSays> IT_Sean: i have a transistor that will be driven high by a gpio pin to turn them on/off
[2:51] <spacebug^> JakeSays: http://elinux.org/RPi_Tutorial_EGHS:LED_output
[2:51] <IT_Sean> I see.
[2:52] <JakeSays> its a little circuit i pulled from a toy
[2:52] <ShorTie> ya, like spacebug^ said, use transister to fire external +5
[2:53] <IT_Sean> I'd recommend an external supply for that LED module
[2:53] <JakeSays> well dangit
[2:54] <ShorTie> just about any old electronic device has sumfin that can used
[2:54] <JakeSays> i have the supply - that just adds one more to the three i already have
[2:55] <ShorTie> walwarts muiltiply like rabbits
[2:55] <JakeSays> i should consolidate. i have a 2.5a 5v supply. that'd power the pi, hub and lights i think
[2:56] <JakeSays> well maybe not - the hub psu is 2.6a
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[3:20] <JakeSays> ok so i have three wires coming from this circuit - +5, gnd and signal. if i use an external psu for +5 and gnd, i just connect the signal to a gpio pin?
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[3:24] <Tickle> Howdy
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[3:28] <IT_Sean> Howdy.
[3:31] <histo> Doody
[3:31] <IT_Sean> :\
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[3:45] <[Saint]> JakeSays: why use an externel PSU?
[3:45] <[Saint]> Pi'll power that fine, if the PSU there is adequate.
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[3:49] <JakeSays> [Saint]: lol everyone told me i should. it's a cluster of 6 LEDs. the center one is always on, the other 5 are switched on/off via a transistor
[3:50] <[Saint]> as long as the Pi is given enough juice, its fine to draw that much from it.
[3:50] <[Saint]> one of the reasons there's a 5V rail ;)
[3:50] <JakeSays> i'm driving it with a 1a ipad psu
[3:51] <[Saint]> Yeah....that simply won't do.
[3:51] <JakeSays> [Saint]: wait no, its 2.1a
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[3:53] <JakeSays> [Saint]: is 2.1a enough?
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[3:54] <[Saint]> pretty much do psu_max - 700ma - usb_periferals == overhead
[3:54] <[Saint]> where 'overhead' is "what you get left for safely powering yummy bits"
[3:55] <JakeSays> [Saint]: i have a powered hub and a nano wifi dongle.
[3:57] <[Saint]> so, in theory, the overhead there (back of the envelope estimation) is ~1.3A, ~1A to be absolutely safe, giving the Pi itself 1A and assuming the dongle is ~50mA
[3:58] <JakeSays> its this dongle: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mini-150Mbps-USB-Wireless-Wifi-Adapter-LAN-Network-Adapter-802-11-RT5370-Chip/230955102558?rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222005%26algo%3DSIC.NUQ%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D16097%26meid%3D8592416237867426043%26pid%3D100005%26prg%3D7683%26rk%3D1%26sd%3D330936070508%26
[3:58] <JakeSays> and since the hub is powered it doesnt really count, does it?
[3:59] <[Saint]> the dongle is powered by the hub? If so, then, no. It doesn't count at all.
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[3:59] <JakeSays> no, its powered by the pi, but i could just as easily put it in the hub
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[4:00] <[Saint]> doing so would give you anywhere from ~50 to ~500mA overhead
[4:01] <[Saint]> depending on the supply to the powered hub, you could probably just power everything with that, backpowering the Pi over USB.
[4:01] <JakeSays> its a 2.6a psu
[4:02] <JakeSays> would be nice if i could just plug the micro usb cable in to the hub
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[4:03] <[Saint]> you don't need to.
[4:03] <[Saint]> The Pi will power itself over standard USB as well.
[4:03] <[Saint]> "backpowering" as some seem to have coined it.
[4:03] <JakeSays> it will? i thought that was not all that reliable
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[4:04] <[Saint]> what revision is the board?
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[4:04] <JakeSays> 2
[4:04] <JakeSays> with 512mb
[4:04] <[Saint]> then you're fine.
[4:04] <JakeSays> hmm. that would be awesome
[4:04] <JakeSays> i'll give it a try
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[4:07] <JakeSays> [Saint]: doesnt work
[4:08] <[Saint]> Odd. There's a chance the hub is actually doing what its supposed to and not delivering more than 500mA to a device that won't enumerate, but that is so rare these days it is almost unheard of.
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[4:09] <[Saint]> My laptops are the only things I have seen in years obeying this.
[4:09] <JakeSays> [Saint]: however if i plug the micro-usb in to the hub, it does work
[4:09] <[Saint]> Wow. I'm genuinely surprised.
[4:09] <[Saint]> Wait, wha...? Now I'm confused.
[4:09] * [Saint] shrugs
[4:10] <JakeSays> i plugged the micro-usb power cable in to the hub
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[4:12] <[Saint]> Hmmm. I was fairly convinced it should be able to power itself over the full-size USB as well, but I may be mistaken.
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[4:13] <IT_Sean> you mean power the pi via a full sized USB port, from the hub?
[4:14] <JakeSays> yeah
[4:14] <IT_Sean> you can do that, if the hub backfeeds. Hubs are NOT supposed to backfeed, though.
[4:14] <JakeSays> and mine apparently doesnt
[4:15] <[Saint]> I thought it was an issue with the hub refusing to give out more than 500mA, but...that can't be the case, virtually nothing does that, even if it is supposed to. Glad I'm not insane.
[4:15] <IT_Sean> [Saint], we have not ruled out you being insane
[4:16] <[Saint]> Neither have we.
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[4:16] <[Saint]> Errrr....they.
[4:16] <[Saint]> I. I mean I.
[4:16] * [Saint] nods convincingly
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[4:17] * IT_Sean calls the men in the whiter coats to come 'round and collect [Saint]
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[4:18] <Scriven> lol
[4:21] <ricksl> Jake, hows it been
[4:23] <ricksl> does anyone know of a good, free, usbip implementation that stays in userspace
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[4:35] <JakeSays> ricksl: hey rick. its been good, and you?
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[4:36] <ricksl> Been busy with graduation
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[4:36] <ricksl> Had my party hopping back and forth between friends parties.
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[4:46] <hadifarnoud> apache question
[4:46] <hadifarnoud> I have modsecurity Version: 2.5.11-1ubuntu0.1 what OWASP version should I use
[4:46] <ParkerR> :D http://i.minus.com/ibcryGEfbdijTi.JPG
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[4:58] <[Saint]> ParkerR: the supermoon's a'commin'.
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[4:59] <[Saint]> this coming full moon.
[4:59] <ParkerR> You betcha
[4:59] * [Saint] _should_ be alive for the 2034 one.
[4:59] <[Saint]> that'll be the closest one I'll ever see.
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[5:00] <ParkerR> And another at a slightly lower exposure http://i.minus.com/id9k8zOtqtYxE.JPG
[5:00] <ParkerR> [Saint], What about now?
[5:00] <[Saint]> I had all the supermoons charted out at one stage, including the exact time for my location when it would be at its closest.
[5:01] <[Saint]> but I seem to have misplaced it somewhere.
[5:01] <[Saint]> The 2034 one will be the closest I'll see without time travel, I believe.
[5:01] <ParkerR> Ahh
[5:01] <ParkerR> Heh
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[5:03] <[Saint]> Unfortunately, we were horribly overcast here all weekend.
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[5:24] <JakeSays> my wife and i were going to see the moon on a ski lift last night
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[5:30] <[Saint]> JakeSays: ...but, crappy weather?
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[5:34] <JakeSays> [Saint]: no sky was crystal clear. we drove all the way up there, waited in line for 45 minutes to get tickets, then noticed the line to actually get on the lift was at least an hour.
[5:34] <[Saint]> Ah.
[5:34] <JakeSays> so we just looked up, said wow cool, then left.
[5:34] <[Saint]> Fair enough.
[5:35] <ricksl> You just do not like waiting do you?
[5:36] <[Saint]> well, fwiw, waiting an hour to ride something that would actually be distracting from the event itself is kinda silly ;)
[5:36] <JakeSays> ricksl: lol nope.
[5:36] <[Saint]> especially considering its free to just look at the sky :P
[5:36] <ricksl> I was poking fun at him, since he is not good at playing the waiting game
[5:36] <[Saint]> Very few humans these days are.
[5:37] <[Saint]> I myself despise it.
[5:37] <ricksl> Oh jake you willing to wait for some raspberry pi gear I ordered
[5:37] <ricksl> you want a real gpio cable made for the pi
[5:38] <JakeSays> ricksl: :D yes please
[5:38] <JakeSays> that i can wait for.
[5:38] <ricksl> But first a story, so I ordered 3 gpio ribbon cables from adafruit
[5:38] <ricksl> I ordered 2*
[5:39] <ricksl> and then I also ordered this http://www.adafruit.com/products/1105 unknown to me it also came with a gpio ribbon cable
[5:39] <ricksl> so now I have 3 and I only have 2 pis,
[5:39] <[Saint]> .......Oh noes!
[5:39] <JakeSays> oh wow that breakout kit looks cool
[5:40] <ricksl> Yeah I like adafruit they are one of my favorite companies
[5:40] <JakeSays> ricksl: see, now i'd just buy another pi to fit that third cable. lol
[5:40] <ricksl> Well except for the fact that they now can do almost all of their manufacturing in house and still haven't lowered the price of anything, capitalism at its finest i guess
[5:41] <ricksl> they have reflow ovens, pick and place machines, pcb fab and such but almost none of their kits have dropped in price :(
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[5:48] <ricksl> So, so far JakeSays I have a care package in my corner for you with an arduino, raspio gpio ribbon and a few raspberry pi logo stickers
[5:49] <JakeSays> ricksl: hmm. i should probably give you my address then :D
[5:49] <ParkerR> ricksl, Neat
[5:49] <ricksl> Would be helpful
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[5:50] <ricksl> Ya know I met liz and eben at the last new york makerfaire (and the one the year before that before anyone knew about the project)
[5:50] <JakeSays> oh cool
[5:50] <ricksl> and I showed them one of their business cards they gave me at the first makerfaire and they gave me a handful of the stickers
[5:51] <ParkerR> :D
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[5:51] <ricksl> It was hilarious eben was in the middle of an on camera interview and i pulled the card from my wallet and he is like "Woah I see someone is flashing one of our first gen business cards" and he hands me a fistful of the stickers from his bag
[5:52] <JakeSays> lol cool
[5:52] <JakeSays> did you get my PM?
[5:52] <ricksl> I did jake
[5:52] <JakeSays> awesome
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[5:53] * Xark has some stickers from before the RPi was available. Eben personally signed the customs declaration. :)
[5:54] <ricksl> gettin big on me
[5:54] <JakeSays> ricksl: so my next project is gonna be a 3d printer
[5:54] <ricksl> Gonna build one
[5:54] <JakeSays> yeah
[5:55] <ricksl> gonna do a reprap?
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[5:55] <JakeSays> i already have a chassis and drive motors
[5:55] <[Saint]> Print yourself some firearms...errrr...I mean, action figures, huh?
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[5:56] <ricksl> is it bad that I need to look up how to address a letter?
[5:56] <JakeSays> i need to build the stepper motor driver boards
[5:56] <ricksl> What plans are you working off of
[5:56] <[Saint]> ricksl: not if you're posting out-of-country, but, otherwise...possibly, yes. :)
[5:57] <JakeSays> ricksl: LOL no. i mailed one a month ago and had to totally stop and think about how to do it
[5:57] <JakeSays> ricksl: the ones in my head
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[5:57] <[Saint]> If you were posting to NZ, for instance, anything except the exact right formatting and postcode will be rejected silently.
[5:57] <ricksl> oh dear
[5:57] <[Saint]> Its pretty stupid really.
[5:58] <[Saint]> Machine learning can indeed tell them what the most likely candidate is if an address is fudged, but if the formatting is wrong, or the postcode is incorrect, they just don't even bother trying to deliver it.
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[6:00] <[Saint]> Foo c/o Bar; 123 Fake Street; Some-suburb; Some-suburb POSTCODE; Some-city/state; Country, is generally a fair bet.
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[6:01] <[Saint]> Always better too much info than too little, with postal addresses and RTS addresses.
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[6:03] <JakeSays> ricksl: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/410932/BeckmanThing.jpg
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[6:04] <JakeSays> thats what i'm starting with
[6:05] <ricksl> Coolio
[6:06] <ricksl> Be sure to document your build, could give you some serious nerd cred
[6:06] <JakeSays> lol good idea
[6:06] <ricksl> Meanwhile I am trying to figure out how to order a prepaid flatrate box
[6:07] <[Saint]> step one: go to post office; step two: ask.
[6:07] <[Saint]> ...you, you guys *do* still have post offices, right? :)
[6:07] <ricksl> Gettin old fashioned on me
[6:08] <ricksl> no it is a convinience thing, I will never remember to go there tbh
[6:08] <ricksl> and the hours suck, the clostest closes at 5pm
[6:09] <ricksl> but with a flatrate box, I can have a prepaid box sent to my house, put the stuff in it and address it, put it back in my mailbox the next day
[6:09] <[Saint]> you guys can post stuff from your own mailbox?
[6:09] <ricksl> cause you know mailboxes can still be used to send mail, just put up that little flaggy thing that most people think is for decoration
[6:09] <[Saint]> That's frickin genius.
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[6:09] <ricksl> oh didn't know they didn't do that everywhere
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[6:09] <ricksl> sorry didn't mean to come off as an asshat
[6:10] <[Saint]> No, you didn't. Its something I never knew.
[6:10] <[Saint]> I thought that flag was there to tell you that *you* had mail, I thought you guys were too lazy to check the mail if there was no visual indication you had to, lol.
[6:10] <[Saint]> ...TIL.
[6:11] <ricksl> Gotcha
[6:12] <AlmtyBob> anyone know the name of that command line OCR program?
[6:12] <AlmtyBob> Tesseract! nm 8)
[6:12] <AlmtyBob> tesseract
[6:12] <[Saint]> I always imagined it was for really long driveways where checking the mail on the offchance you had mail was a PITA.
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[6:12] <Tickle> Like… from Captain America?
[6:13] <ricksl> usps does not make their site easy to navigate
[6:14] <[Saint]> Tickle: Nope, not the mARVEL uNIVERSE VERSION :)
[6:14] <[Saint]> gah...kitten enduces capslock.
[6:14] <Tickle> It takes the three days to get down the street, you think their site will be easy to navigate?
[6:14] <[Saint]> *induced
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[6:17] <JakeSays> ok so if everything on the pi is on the sdcard, then what firmware is there to upgrade?
[6:17] <[Saint]> the firmware resides on the /boot partition
[6:18] <JakeSays> ah
[6:18] <Tickle> If your firmware isn't firm is it squishy ware?
[6:18] <JakeSays> flatware
[6:18] <[Saint]> apt-get dist-upgrade will bring you up-to-date with what is current, if you want newer-than-current, you'll need to use rpi-update.
[6:18] <JakeSays> i did both
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[6:19] <[Saint]> I hope you did the rpi-update as the latter of the two, then.
[6:19] <JakeSays> i did
[6:19] <JakeSays> well, i did apt-get update/upgrade then rpi-update
[6:19] <[Saint]> Sweet. Otherwise the upgrade will just revert it.
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[6:20] <[Saint]> But, there's no point in running rpi-update unless you're passing the branch= param to it.
[6:20] <ricksl> oh good there is a post office right down the street
[6:20] <[Saint]> Otherwise it'll just do exactly what dist-upgrade will.
[6:20] <ricksl> like 5 minutes biking distance, that severely uncomplicates things
[6:20] <Tickle> What?
[6:22] <[Saint]> unless you want to backup the current firmware (which is trivial without rpi-update), or use it to upgrade an image in-place that isn't currently in use, or want to upgrade to the "next" branch instead of "master", there's no point in running rpi-update, really.
[6:22] <ricksl> whatever happened to hexxeh's tool
[6:22] <[Saint]> that is it.
[6:22] <ricksl> for firmware updating
[6:22] <[Saint]> that is it.
[6:22] <ricksl> I am sorry, don't hit me please
[6:23] <[Saint]> its a part of the official repo now, but there's no reason to use it unless <see_above>.
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[6:23] <[Saint]> since there's a dummy package now that will pull in an updated kernel with a regular update.
[6:23] <JakeSays> so i want to install a package, but not a specific part of it
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[6:24] <[Saint]> JakeSays: do you mean you want to install a package, but not one or all of its dependencies?
[6:25] <JakeSays> [Saint]: i want to install mono-complete but i dont want it to build/install its docs
[6:25] <[Saint]> Ahhhh. Right. Hmmmm. I'm not sure if there's a way to do that right off the bat or not. Fairly easy to just remove the docs after the fact, though.
[6:26] <JakeSays> yeah it just takes forever
[6:26] <Tickle> Photoshop CS6 really targets the wanna be artsy teen girls with their splash screen....
[6:27] <ricksl> generalizing a bit don't you think?
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[6:27] <[Saint]> Sweeping generalizations, ...on...on the internet?
[6:27] * [Saint] needs to sit down
[6:27] <JakeSays> Tickle: i have no idea what an artsy teen girl would be in to
[6:28] <ricksl> I feel like he doesn't either jake
[6:28] <Tickle> Once you see it you'll agree
[6:28] <Tickle> hold on
[6:28] <Tickle> http://zoomstreet.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/splash.jpg
[6:28] <[Saint]> https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=Photoshop+CS6+splash+screen&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=6srHUaCNA-nYigeh54D4CQ&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ&biw=1270&bih=593
[6:29] <[Saint]> I really, cannot, for the lefe of me, see what you're talking about.
[6:29] <ricksl> I am not seeing it either
[6:29] <JakeSays> same
[6:29] <[Saint]> Its blue, for one (says my hex value checker), which is usually assumed to be "masculine".
[6:29] <ricksl> and even so, would people who are wanting to make creative things going to choose a tool that has a gray and boring interface.
[6:29] <JakeSays> oh so maybe they'r ein to men?
[6:30] <[Saint]> ricksl: I do...
[6:30] <[Saint]> GIMP ftw.
[6:30] <ricksl> Go back to windows xp paint
[6:30] <[Saint]> No thanks, I'll take GIMP and Inkscape, thanks :)
[6:31] <ricksl> Gettin artsy on me
[6:31] * [Saint] is somewhat of a UX man.
[6:31] <ricksl> Think you are better than me just because you can draw
[6:31] <ricksl> Is that what it is
[6:31] <[Saint]> Oh. Heck no. I can't draw for crap.
[6:32] <ricksl> Oh and who says you are not modest, now you are getting modest on me.
[6:32] <ricksl> And just so we are clear I am saying none of this seriously
[6:32] <[Saint]> I can't draw for crap, but, I sure can whip up nasty developer orientated UX.
[6:32] <[Saint]> ...and, do so regularly.
[6:33] <JakeSays> heh. new dev manager starting tomorrow. :D
[6:33] <[Saint]> I am currently fighting to modernize the Rockbox UI.
[6:33] <ricksl> You are? congrats jake
[6:33] <[Saint]> Its been annoying me for ~5 years.
[6:33] <JakeSays> ricksl: no, not me. we're getting a new one
[6:33] <ricksl> Oh, well still congrats
[6:34] <JakeSays> which is awesome cuz now i can do my job
[6:34] <ricksl> your old one sucked
[6:34] <JakeSays> yes, so to speak
[6:34] <JakeSays> (me)
[6:34] <ricksl> whoops
[6:34] <JakeSays> and i *hate* managing developers
[6:34] <[Saint]> Ages ago I did a full touchscreen re-vamp of our default theme, but it still isn't committed, due to various disagreements. Its annoying as Hell.
[6:35] <ricksl> what project do you work for saint
[6:35] <[Saint]> Never. And I mean this. Never, if you can avoid it, get into UI design.
[6:35] <JakeSays> ricksl: when i took this job i insisted they hire a dev manager. its taken us 8 months to find one.
[6:36] <ricksl> Heh, you know what would be awful, if the one they hired didn't know what he was doing and he was awful at his job.
[6:36] <JakeSays> i made sure that wont happen
[6:36] <JakeSays> i've worked for this guy before
[6:36] <[Saint]> ricksl: I "work" for myself, and overflow from the company I used to work for (I/we do home theater and networking planning and cabling), but my spare time is devoted to mudding around with the Rockbox project
[6:36] <[Saint]> www.rockbox.org
[6:37] <[Saint]> *muddling(sp?)
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[6:37] <ricksl> very interesting, saint
[6:38] <JakeSays> [Saint]: would rockbox run on an ipod video?
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[6:39] <[Saint]> JakeSays: it does indeed.
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[6:40] <JakeSays> excellent
[6:40] <JakeSays> i happen to have one
[6:40] <[Saint]> It runs on All iPods except the Nano 3G+ varaints, and the iPod Touch variants.
[6:40] <JakeSays> however i dont want to use it as a music player
[6:40] <[Saint]> Well...you could play DooM on it all day...
[6:40] <[Saint]> ;p
[6:41] <JakeSays> i'd like to use it as a little controller
[6:41] <[Saint]> for?
[6:41] <JakeSays> what architecture do they have? arm?
[6:41] <JakeSays> [Saint]: no idea.
[6:41] <ricksl> like a controller board or more along the lines of a tv controller
[6:42] <JakeSays> ricksl: a controller of things.
[6:42] <[Saint]> The iPod Video has a tiny dual-core PortalPlayer SoC, and a GPU we can't access.
[6:42] <JakeSays> it has a screen and a hard drive.
[6:42] <[Saint]> We do have a generic HID implementation, though, you could easily tinker with this.
[6:42] <JakeSays> portalplayer?
[6:43] <[Saint]> pre-ARM-success/domination SoC
[6:43] <JakeSays> ah
[6:43] <ricksl> hey nothing wrong with arm
[6:44] <[Saint]> Rockbox runs on a lot of architectures, ARM, MIPS, Sh, Coldfire, PP...probably some I'm missing.
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[6:44] <[Saint]> Ah, yes. Rockchip.
[6:45] <[Saint]> And there's SDL, Android, and Maemo implementations too.
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[6:45] <[Saint]> It really is a massive project (in terms of scope), and we /really/ could use some fresh talent.
[6:46] <[Saint]> Most of us are getting old and boring.
[6:46] <ricksl> What are there bounties out there for
[6:46] <ricksl> I mean what sort of talent you looking at
[6:46] <ricksl> for*
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[6:47] <[Saint]> Familiarity with C and perhaps some ASM is all you'd really need. ANd preferably a supported device, some time, and a willingness to improve the existing situation or fix outstanding tracked bugs.
[6:47] <[Saint]> There's no bounties in terms of "Fix X, get paid Y", we don't fly that way.
[6:48] <ricksl> I figured I was just trying to ask what kind of stuff is still "todo"
[6:48] <[Saint]> That is very target-specific.
[6:49] <[Saint]> If you look through the list of supported devices, almost everyone will have a supported player lying around I'd say.
[6:49] <[Saint]> We have disturbingly good support for the recent Sansas.
[6:49] <JakeSays> how about the creative zen?
[6:50] <[Saint]> WHich version?
[6:50] <JakeSays> um, not sure
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[6:50] <JakeSays> bought it in '04-05 time frame
[6:50] <[Saint]> There is work ongoing for those players, yes.
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[6:51] <[Saint]> I'm not sure if it is all committed, however.
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[6:52] <[Saint]> Creative *really* messed up with their encryption. And a rather talented developer was able to brute-force the key.
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[6:53] <ricksl> ya know what bummed me out, they never were able to get a working dsi hack going
[6:53] <[Saint]> I don't recall all the details, but it basically boiled down to using a 42bit key, but only actually parsing 16bits of it, either as a mistake, or a distraction.
[6:53] <JakeSays> wow
[6:53] <[Saint]> ...and sharing said key across several devices. :)
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[6:54] <[Saint]> The various ways digital audio players are compromised and exploited is wide and varied.
[6:56] <[Saint]> Sometimes its developers being stupid. Sometimes its that they simply don't seem to care. Sometimes its pure luck. Sometimes involves actual hardware modification.
[6:57] <[Saint]> ANd almost always involves a lot of painstaking reverse engineering, and iff you're lucky reading from full (almost never happens) or partial datasheets.
[6:58] <[Saint]> I don't play with anything that low level, though. Not that it doesn't interest me, I just seem to have a passion and a skill for UX.
[6:59] <[Saint]> I'm currently putting the finishing touches on some localization work that I'm betting almost no one will actually notice :)
[7:00] <[Saint]> (flipping fill direction of progress bars, text direction, layout, and special characters and directional symbols based on the locale...it gets frighteningly complicated)
[7:00] * cccyRegeaneWolfe is now known as cccyRegeane_Away
[7:01] <[Saint]> which is why you'll find that many UIs simply don't seem to care about non-English/non-Left-to-Right languages.
[7:03] * [Saint] apologizes for being Cpt. Boring and talking too much about why UIs suck.
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[7:06] <ricksl> Its all good
[7:06] <ricksl> If it makes you feel better I am listening, but I get afraid to insert my opinion into things like this since you know more than me and I would probably be talking out my ass a bit.
[7:07] <[Saint]> Occasionally it is nice to hear about things that bother people with UI design. People rarely give feedback on such things.
[7:08] <JakeSays> is there a way to have apt list the deps for a package?
[7:08] <ricksl> Haven't used it so I don't know sorry
[7:08] <JakeSays> [Saint]: UI's suck because humans are involved.
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[7:10] <[Saint]> JakeSays: "apt-cache depends package_name_here"
[7:10] <JakeSays> [Saint]: ah thanks
[7:12] <[Saint]> if the package is already installed, you can use an alternative method with "reverse-depends package_name_here"
[7:12] <[Saint]> but the apt-cache version will work as well, if the package is installed or not.
[7:12] <ricksl> going to bed catchall later
[7:13] <ricksl> btw if anyone finds out about userspace usbip implementations I would love them
[7:13] <[Saint]> Oh. Hmmmmm. SOrry, reverse-depends may be Ubuntu-specific.
[7:13] <JakeSays> ricksl: have a good one, and thanks!
[7:14] <[Saint]> Anyhoo - 'apt-cache depends foo' will work for all debianesque systems,
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[7:16] <JakeSays> [Saint]: turns out it was easier to install the dependencies of mono-complete, w/o the docs
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[7:33] <JakeSays> ha cool - i was able to use my sdcard reader to mount another sdcard
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[8:27] <zombieman> i have a strange problem i have thie usb keyboard that when i try to log in it wont type my user or pass but it will allow you to press enter
[8:27] <zombieman> do you think thats a keyboard layout problem?
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[8:38] <zombieman> whats the name of the gui login screen for rasberry pi
[8:38] <zombieman> its all white with a blue computer and allows switching session types
[8:39] <zombieman> i cant find out how to kill it lol
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[8:42] <zombieman> ctrl alt f1 got it
[8:43] <zombieman> nvm lol blong moument
[8:43] <[Saint]> zombieman: you'll probably find that it *is* typing your username and password, but you simply cannot see it.
[8:43] <[Saint]> this is usual for passwords.
[8:43] <zombieman> it wasnt typing ether one
[8:44] <zombieman> i think its a power ishue though the keyboard is acting up
[8:44] <zombieman> clicking buttons more then once and such
[8:44] <zombieman> i cant figure out how to kill x
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[8:44] <[Saint]> logout.
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[8:45] <zombieman> it looks like this https://www.google.com/search?q=debian+login+screen&rlz=1C1TSNP_enUS525US525&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=7urHUff3OILY9QS6hICwBg&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ&biw=1454&bih=704#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=34LC_RUii-mCtM%3A%3B63c6J8P_u92ocM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.enovision.net%252Fwp-content%252Fuploads%252Fimage60.png%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.enovision.net%252Finstall-debian-wheezy-on-vmware-server-part-ii%252F%3B818%3B714
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[8:46] <zombieman> i did log out thats what brought me to this thing
[8:46] <JakeSays> hmm. how can i tell where my swap partition is?
[8:46] <[Saint]> JakeSays: unless you created one specifically, you don't *have* one.
[8:46] <JakeSays> [Saint]: i did
[8:46] <[Saint]> raspbian doesn't use a swap partition by default
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[8:47] <JakeSays> now i need to figure out if its being used
[8:47] <[Saint]> Ah. May I ask why you did so?
[8:47] <JakeSays> i moved / to a hdd
[8:47] <JakeSays> and created a swap part.
[8:47] <[Saint]> right, but...why?
[8:48] <JakeSays> well, i have a pi and i have an hdd.. it was bound to happen eventually.
[8:48] <Xark> JakeSays: I did the same. Just didn't have good luck with root partition on SD. :)
[8:48] <[Saint]> The hilarious thing is that you probably still have dphys-swapfile configured and enabled.
[8:49] <JakeSays> [Saint]: yeah i need to figure out how to disable it
[8:49] <[Saint]> "man dphys-swapfile"
[8:50] <[Saint]> Are you actually doing anything on the pi that *requires* swapping? Have you ever seen the pi swap under your use case before?
[8:50] <[Saint]> By default, the pi avoids swapping *at all costs*.
[8:50] <JakeSays> [Saint]: i have no clue.
[8:50] <JakeSays> i'm just playing
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[8:51] <JakeSays> [Saint]: the swap file wasnt my goal - just / on the hdd
[8:51] <[Saint]> If you want it to "just work", its best to use dphys-swapfile, as it adjusts dynamically for the usage required.
[8:52] <[Saint]> you can certainly tell it to move the swapfile image to the HDD, though.
[8:52] <[Saint]> the man entry will tell you all you need to know.
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[8:54] <JakeSays> [Saint]: i'm probably the only guy around with a 32bit processor and a 160GB hdd in his mousetrap
[8:54] <zombieman> does anyone know the name of that login manager?
[8:54] <JakeSays> zombieman: frank.
[8:55] <zombieman> thank you i can kill it with pkill frank right
[8:55] <JakeSays> LOL i was joking
[8:55] <zombieman> damn
[8:55] <zombieman> i cant play any games untill i kill it
[8:55] <zombieman> its like a pleg lol
[8:56] <Bushmills> zombieman: possibly ldm
[8:56] <[Saint]> JakeSays: "dphys-swapfile swapoff && dphys-swapfile uninstall && dphys-swapfile setup"
[8:56] <[Saint]> the default is 2X RAM, which is more than the Pi will likely ever need.
[8:56] <[Saint]> default location is /var/run/swap
[8:56] <JakeSays> i only have a 744mb swap partition
[8:56] <zombieman> i might have to google every process in top to find it
[8:57] <Bushmills> why?
[8:57] <JakeSays> [Saint]: it set the swap size = 100mb
[8:58] <Bushmills> dpkg -l "*dm" sounds much easier
[8:59] <[Saint]> JakeSays: change it in /etc/dphys-swapfile, you'd want to set the CONF_SWAPSIZE (in MB) param.
[8:59] <zombieman> i forgot you can check the packages like that
[8:59] <JakeSays> [Saint]: how will it get mapped to the swap partition? through fstab?
[9:00] <[Saint]> JakeSays: it won't be.
[9:00] <[Saint]> There's no specific need for a swap partition.
[9:00] <JakeSays> well thats no good
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[9:00] <[Saint]> why?
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[9:00] <[Saint]> It makes no difference at all.
[9:00] <[Saint]> Quite literally none.
[9:00] <JakeSays> cuz now i have wasted 744mb of disk space. lol
[9:01] <Bushmills> you have a swap *partition*?
[9:01] <[Saint]> delete the partition and re-expand the image.
[9:01] <JakeSays> [Saint]: ok so you're saying it'll just create a regular file to use for swap
[9:01] <JakeSays> Bushmills: yes
[9:01] <[Saint]> Yes.
[9:02] <JakeSays> [Saint]: nah. its not worth the hassle. 744mb out of 160gb..
[9:02] <[Saint]> There's a hassle?
[9:02] * [Saint] shrugs
[9:02] <Bushmills> so reclaim it. or put it in /etc/fstab for using it
[9:03] <[Saint]> Its a few seconds "work", lol. :)
[9:03] <JakeSays> heh. /var/swap
[9:03] <JakeSays> ok well i've had all the fun i can have with swap files
[9:04] <[Saint]> I'm willing to bet that if you were to check, the system wouldn't even be using any swap at all.
[9:05] <[Saint]> "free -m" if you wanna have a look.
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[9:05] <JakeSays> used: 0
[9:05] <[Saint]> (-m isn't necessary, but makes it more human readable when presented in MB)
[9:05] <JakeSays> lol
[9:05] <[Saint]> :)
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[9:06] <JakeSays> so currently i have two 16gb sdcards and a 160gb hdd on my pi
[9:06] <[Saint]> If you *want* the system to start swapping more agressively, since you're on a physical HDD now, do:
[9:06] <[Saint]> "echo 60 > /proc/sys/vm/swappiness"
[9:07] <JakeSays> [Saint]: well all this idling i'm doing won't require aggressive swapping
[9:09] <[Saint]> If you want swappiness changes to persist across reboot, add "vm.swappiness = XX" to /etc/sysctl.conf
[9:09] * cccyRegeane_Away is now known as cccyRegeaneWolfe
[9:09] <[Saint]> where XX == a value between 0 and 100, default is 60 (default for the pi is 1)
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[9:10] <JakeSays> i'm thinking i would enjoy porting an OS to the pi
[9:10] <[Saint]> I'm thinking you very much wouldn't.
[9:11] <[Saint]> Unless you pay a large sum to, and sign an NDA from, Broadcom
[9:11] <JakeSays> why would i need to do that?
[9:11] <[Saint]> Because there is no public datasheet or sources.
[9:12] <[Saint]> and depending on the system, it may not be possible to rely solely on the binary blobs provided.
[9:13] <[Saint]> The GPU controls virtually everything on the SoC, and the GPU is closed.
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[9:15] <JakeSays> the gpu? thats just crazy
[9:16] <[Saint]> It isn't absolutely uncommon.
[9:17] <JakeSays> so i guess somewhere in the raspian source tree there are some mystery broadcom blobs?
[9:17] <[Saint]> But, yes, the GPU handles the setup/startup process.
[9:17] <shiftplusone> JakeSays, just the files you have in /boot
[9:18] <[Saint]> The "open source VideoCore driver" they released is a joke...
[9:18] <JakeSays> shiftplusone: the bootcode.bin file?
[9:18] <[Saint]> Its simply a open sources shim, to pass a subset of approved instructions to the still very much closed driver :)
[9:18] <shiftplusone> JakeSays, along with start.elf and whatever else is there.
[9:18] <JakeSays> shiftplusone: ah ok
[9:19] <[Saint]> everything that isn't the kernel or emergency kernel, basically.
[9:19] <JakeSays> and they're linux specific?
[9:19] <shiftplusone> JakeSays, Saint is being a bit alarmist. You can write your own OS or port an OS just fine. You just don't be able to write your own firmware.
[9:19] <shiftplusone> JakeSays, not linux specific at all.
[9:19] <shiftplusone> *won't
[9:19] <JakeSays> shiftplusone: ah ok that makes sense then
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[9:20] * [Saint] calls BS
[9:20] <shiftplusone> Well, you can write your own firmware, but you won't get far. The GPU hasn't been reverse engineered quite enough yet.
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[9:20] <[Saint]> You absolutely cannot "just port your own OS "just fine""
[9:20] <shiftplusone> Though the RE channel has been quite active lately, so who knows.
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[9:21] <[Saint]> you can port an OS, or write your own "just fine", IFF you can get away with using only the subset of instructions allowed by the opensource driver.
[9:21] <shiftplusone> [Saint], how did the *BSD folks do it? They didn't have to sign any NDAs. How did the cambridge folks write the bare metal tutorial?
[9:22] <JakeSays> shiftplusone: ah yeah i forgot about the bare metal tutorial
[9:22] <[Saint]> see above
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[9:22] <shiftplusone> Agreed, you won't get farther than the current state of linux, but it's more than enough for most people.
[9:22] <JakeSays> yeah how much more is there beyond what raspian has?
[9:23] <[Saint]> Android is a perfect example of how horribly things can go if you require anything that isn't presented by the crappy shim they put in place.
[9:23] <shiftplusone> Android is a perfect example of how horribly things can go when you're presented with android >_<
[9:23] <JakeSays> [Saint]: thats if you want hardware acceleration
[9:23] <[Saint]> Which, you do, really.
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[9:24] <JakeSays> nah. it doesnt do much for headless non graphic services
[9:24] <shiftplusone> OpenMAX and OpenGL ES are still available, even if you write your own OS.
[9:24] <[Saint]> Broadcomm lording their perfectly functional, private, in-house version over us annoys me greatly.
[9:25] <JakeSays> shiftplusone: have any of the bsd's been ported?
[9:25] <[Saint]> I have had nothing but issues with Broadcomm wrt FOSS projects.
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[9:25] <[Saint]> They pretended to care for a while when we poked them with a sharp enough stick, but, they vanished within a week after crafting a driver that never worked for us.
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[9:25] <shiftplusone> JakeSays, AFAIK, openbsd and freebsd have, but I don't really follow them.
[9:26] <JakeSays> i'd like to port this one: http://www.nuttx.org/
[9:26] <[Saint]> I admit, I was surprised they even paid any attention to us at all, though.
[9:26] <[Saint]> Regardless, they still vanished without a trace.
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[9:26] <shiftplusone> JakeSays, Any interest in FreeRTOS?
[9:27] <JakeSays> [Saint]: well, to be fair, have they ever claimed to be building an opensource product?
[9:27] <lolbat> can I run zfs on a rasberry pi?
[9:27] <JakeSays> shiftplusone: hmm. never heard of it. i'll take a look
[9:27] <JakeSays> lolbat: now that would be cool
[9:27] <JakeSays> lolbat: you could probably build it
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[9:27] <shiftplusone> JakeSays, There are a few people on the forum porting it, maybe you can help there.
[9:27] <[Saint]> JakeSays: No. But they did say to us how "eager they were to provide any assistence needed in the FOSS community"
[9:28] <JakeSays> [Saint]: apparently their definition of 'need' is different
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[9:28] <lolbat> JakeSays: With a usb sdcareader you'd have two sdcards. then you can run a mirror
[9:29] <lolbat> I guess you could use an usbdrive too
[9:29] <JakeSays> lolbat: yeah i wouldn't run zfs on an sdcard
[9:29] <[Saint]> We never asked for sources, we knew we'd never get them, be they complete or partial. So they offered to craft us a stripped binary blob to use (this is a while ago, for CyanogenMod on the Galaxy Mini and Friends), and they did provide a binary, but it was absolutely useless.
[9:29] <[Saint]> ...and, then they vanished off the forum, and every contact we had no longer works there.
[9:30] <shiftplusone> JakeSays, Just to correct myself, openbsd hasn't been ported, just freebsd, my mistake.
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[9:30] <JakeSays> [Saint]: do you work on cm?
[9:31] <[Saint]> A little, yes.
[9:31] <JakeSays> very cool. i'm running a custom build of it on my galaxy note.
[9:31] <JakeSays> made some mods to the bluetooth stack
[9:32] * [Saint] just ordered the Note 8.0 for Ms [Saint]
[9:32] <[Saint]> well...where "just" == "day before last"
[9:32] <JakeSays> i want a mega
[9:33] <JakeSays> well, actually i want an S4 with 8 cores.
[9:33] * JakeSays drools
[9:33] * [Saint] has the S4, nice phone.
[9:33] <[Saint]> UbuntuOS is pretty cool, too.
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[9:34] * shiftplusone wants a decent phone with a staggered slide out keyboard >=/
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[9:34] <[Saint]> Yeah....pretty much not gonna happen.
[9:34] <shiftplusone> =(
[9:34] <JakeSays> shiftplusone: i think i'd be more interested in nuttx over freertos simply due to the licensing
[9:34] <[Saint]> physical keyboards are out.
[9:34] <lolbat> JakeSays: why not? zfs is brilliant?
[9:35] <JakeSays> lolbat: yes, zfs is brilliant. just not so sure what value it'd add to a 16gb sdcard setup
[9:35] <shiftplusone> JakeSays, Yup, fair enough. I am just under the impression freertos is more popular and there is already work underway.
[9:36] <lolbat> JakeSays: the checksumming
[9:36] <shiftplusone> JakeSays, though another downside of the binary blobs is that the GPU will sometimes mess up your timing if you want a proper RTOS.
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[9:37] <JakeSays> shiftplusone: well, the fact that nuttx is an rtos isn't necessarily what interests me. it just looks like a decent little os
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[9:38] <shiftplusone> ah
[9:38] <[Saint]> if you want a *really* little OS, just boot from the busybox emergency kernel :)
[9:38] <JakeSays> i dont do anything realtimey
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[9:39] <shiftplusone> linux, even if stripped down, is far from a little OS when compared to the previously mentioned ones, right?
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[9:39] <AlkazaR> evening all
[9:39] <shiftplusone> 'Morning, sir.
[9:40] <AlkazaR> I've had a day of serious pi frustration
[9:40] <AlkazaR> Samba + Win 7 = hell :)
[9:40] <[Saint]> runing solely from the emergency kernel is going to have a much lower footprint, I believe.
[9:41] <JakeSays> shiftplusone: hmm. looks like netbsd is almost there.
[9:41] <JakeSays> netbsd would be cool.
[9:42] <[Saint]> Just use Windows CE ;)
[9:42] <[Saint]> RTOS, ARM port...you're good to go :P
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[9:43] <JakeSays> i'm going to have to try netbsd on my other pi
[9:43] <JakeSays> but for now i'm going to sleep.
[9:44] <shiftplusone> take care
[9:44] <JakeSays> will do.
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[10:20] <bts__> hello, does anybody have an idea how to operate on "raw data" in arm registers via asm? I need to check value of last bit
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[10:24] <Bushmills> last bit is bit0 or bit31?
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[10:26] <Bushmills> if register may change, you'd rotate it right or left, therefore transferring the bit to carry, upon which you have choices how to proceed: by conditional jump, by add-with-carry, or by rotating it into another register
[10:26] <bts__> I meant the lowest power of 2
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[10:27] <Bushmills> that is 2 power 0 -> 1 ?
[10:27] <bts__> yes, I've just wanted to check if the number is even
[10:27] <Bushmills> you know, bits are numbered
[10:27] <Bushmills> bit 0 that is
[10:28] <bts__> ok, thanks :) register doesn't have to change, I can push it, though
[10:28] <Bushmills> if you check for even or odd, how do you want to proceed?
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[10:28] <Bushmills> push is more work than copy to another register
[10:29] <Bushmills> i mean, what do you intend to do with the result of that test?
[10:30] <Xark> bts__: To test high bit, you can branch negative/positive. For low bit, you can rotate and check carry.
[10:30] <bts__> actually if it's even, stop the program, if it's not, continue
[10:30] <Bushmills> so a conditional jump you probably want
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[10:31] <bts__> yep
[10:31] <Xark> bts__: Perhaps TST Rx, #1 opcode, followed by branch.
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[10:32] <Bushmills> what does "raw data in register" refer to?
[10:33] <kai> morning folks
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[10:35] <bts__> let me check this things in manual, as I know neither 'carry' nor 'branch'
[10:35] <bts__> *these
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[10:37] <Bushmills> not knowing a carry flag indicates that you had pretty little exposure to assembly yet :)
[10:39] <[Saint]> well, he didn't claim to be an expert.
[10:39] <[Saint]> Asking the question full stop details the experience with ASM.
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[10:40] <Bushmills> we noticed that he's not an expert and we don't require it. that was my way to tell him that a carry is something he'll come across everywhere when using asm
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[10:46] <bts__> you're right, I'm beginning with asm yet - and I think it's always an advantage when you point out lacks in knowledge, so... I'll better read manuals now, thank you ;)
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[11:15] <quackgyver> Anyone here had success emulating Raspbian?
[11:16] <quackgyver> Or virtualizing it.
[11:17] <[Saint]> qemu can do it trivially.
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[11:17] <quackgyver> I managed to get it up and running by setting up Ubuntu as a virtualized guest system, and subsequently setting up qemu, but I'd like to do something OSX native.
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[11:17] <quackgyver> As far as I know, only Q can do that, and it seems like kind of a hassle to get up and running. ./
[11:17] <quackgyver> :/*
[11:18] <[Saint]> Yes, you'll want Q.
[11:19] <[Saint]> Its no more of a hassle to set up than it is qemu, IMO.
[11:19] <[Saint]> It is abandoned, though, so...support may be very flakey.
[11:19] <quackgyver> Qemu is available as a downloadable precompiled package, as opposed to Q.
[11:20] <quackgyver> Q is abandoned?
[11:20] <quackgyver> That's a shame. :/
[11:20] <[Saint]> the last version was of 0.9.something.
[11:20] <[Saint]> and, its dead. deader than dead.
[11:21] <kai> no idea about osx, to be honest, on linux I've got a binary emulation layer that runs ARM binaries through qemu-arm-static on the fly
[11:22] <kai> but I thought the BSDs had something like that as well, and thus OSX might have something like that, too
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[11:22] <[Saint]> adding OSX to the mix usually complicates things seemingly unnecessarily.
[11:22] <[Saint]> Best to avoid it, IMO.
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[11:23] <[Saint]> It takes far too many tweaks/hacks to turn it into a "sane" OS. So I just use a sane OS to begin with.
[11:26] <bts__> hm, it seems like my 'lsr' doesn't update the flag, what's wrong? http://pastebin.com/dG7wg0v1
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[11:27] <bts__> ow, there should be 'lsr r1, $1', however it doesn't work too
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[11:29] <quackgyver> I wish there was a GUI-based emu for OSX. :/
[11:29] <quackgyver> But maybe I can run Ubuntu in some kind of cmd-based Kiosk mode and have qemu run on startup
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[11:33] <kai> say, anybody know of a 1-wire temperature sensor that'll do temperatures down to -80 °C?
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[11:35] <kai> I've got a bunch of fridges I'm trying to monitor, and some of them are -80s
[11:35] <kai> I'm using DS18B20s for the -20 fridges and the room temperature, but that's rated to only -55 or somesuch
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[11:39] <mgottschlag> I don't think there are any which are rated to those temperatures, you probably should use an ntc and calibrate it manually
[11:39] <mgottschlag> I mean, ntc + adc
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[11:42] <kai> ok, that'll make life more complicated.
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[11:42] <mgottschlag> hm, actually, it looks as if most ntcs also are only rated for -60°
[11:43] <kai> durn :)
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[11:45] <mgottschlag> http://www.digikey.de/product-detail/de/PT103J2/615-1010-ND/1014538
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[11:47] <gordonDrogon> -80? Brrr...
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[11:50] <mumbles> goes to call up element 14
[11:50] <davezZz> if you guys have a student card you can get like
[11:50] <davezZz> 20% discount for life with farnell/element14
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[11:53] <Bushmills> bts, too complicated
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[11:54] <Bushmills> copy number to r0, then and r0 with 1. same result
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[11:55] <Bushmills> bts__: ^^
[11:57] <kai> mgottschlag: ok, thanks
[11:58] <kai> mgottschlag: The -80 freezer also has an alarm circuit that we're not using currently, I'm looking into maybe just using that
[12:00] <kai> having the exact temperature would be nice, but getting an alert when something is wrong is the most important reason for setting up the whole thing
[12:03] <bts__> Bushmills: actually it was sufficient to change "lsr" to "lsrs", cause the first one doesn't store the flag; and as to be honest, I don't understand what do you mean - would you mind pasteing it somewhere?
[12:03] <Bushmills> all you want is bit 0 in a register, and bits 1...31 cleared
[12:04] <Bushmills> rotating it, when testing, and as result of test loading a register with 0 or 1 has exactly the same effect
[12:04] <Bushmills> you have an instruction, which you can use to say "clear registers 1 to 31 of a specified register"
[12:04] <Bushmills> clear *bits* ...
[12:05] <Bushmills> so using that is less rube-goldberg like method than you're doing right now
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[12:12] <kai> "LN2 bottles are functional at any reasonable temperature." stuff you find in a freezer manual....
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[12:45] <quackgyver> Well, since I can't emulate ARM particularly well, does anyone know if I'd be able to develop Python scripts and call libs that are commonly used for popular features on the Pi in the same way, except on an intel chip?
[12:46] <quackgyver> Like, I want to set up a Pi kiosk and autorun a py app on boot, with which I'd want to be able to run popular pi scripts such as text to speech and whatnot.
[12:46] <quackgyver> Could I do this on an x86/64 Linux distro instead, and easily port it over to the pi?
[12:46] <xenoxaos> i dont think text to speech is pi particular
[12:47] <quackgyver> yeah, but there are scripts specifically written for the pi that id like to be able to use
[12:47] <quackgyver> so i need to write scripts that call them specifically
[12:47] <xenoxaos> then make dummy scripts
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[12:48] <quackgyver> Well, I guess what I want to do is use those libs and scripts on an x86/64 machine
[12:48] <quackgyver> so I suppose my question is, are most popular Pi scripts compatible with other platforms as well?
[12:48] <xenoxaos> libs...no....scripts...maybe
[12:48] <quackgyver> or libs
[12:48] <quackgyver> Hm, ok.
[12:48] <quackgyver> I'll take that as a no then.
[12:48] <xenoxaos> have you looked at what's in those scripts and/or tried them?
[12:48] <quackgyver> No. I can't really read them, since I'm not that good a coder yet.
[12:49] <xenoxaos> you dont have to be a good coder to read
[12:49] <quackgyver> I was hoping to be able to utilize other peoples' work for starters.
[12:49] <quackgyver> What about interpreting. ;)
[12:50] <xenoxaos> thats not hard
[12:50] <xenoxaos> a little common sense and thought is all that is required
[12:50] <quackgyver> Maybe I should just set up a guest system on my computer that comes as close to being raspbian as possible.
[12:50] <quackgyver> What would that be? Like, Debian+LXDE?
[12:50] * flibble nods
[12:50] <quackgyver> Aight.
[12:52] <plugwash> With the exception of a tiny ammount of pi specific stuff pretty much everything that is available in the raspbian repositories should be available in debian too
[12:52] <plugwash> obviously if you build any native code libraries of your own you will have to rebuild them when moving between PC and Pi
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[12:53] <quackgyver> Yeah, I probably won't do any building or compiling.
[12:54] <quackgyver> Just simple py scripts that calls other stuff.
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[12:54] <quackgyver> call*
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[13:39] <Finn10111> hi everyone :-) i am running arch linux arm on my raspberry and i noticed some performance problems regarding softirqs and traffic via the built in lan interface. if i download something, transfer files or testing the network throughput with iperf i see a high (20-60) softirq value in top.. i think this isn't normal, have you any hints if i can check if the regarding modules are loaded properly?
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[13:58] <ShadowJK> if they werent loaded properly, ethernet wouldn't work
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[14:02] <Finn10111> hm thats true.. but i had a similar problem with rp-pppoe. after enabling the rp-pppoe.so module in pppoe.conf the high softirq rate was gone.. but since a few days the problem is back and it effects my pppoe and my eth connection
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[14:08] <deanrock0> hi, what program would restart my rpi when broadcom ethernet fails?
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[14:09] <FR^2> The watchdog
[14:10] <FR^2> deanrock0: http://www.megaleecher.net/Watchdog_for_Raspberry_Pi
[14:10] <FR^2> deanrock0: Not sure if that manual is a good one, I don't know which one I read.
[14:11] <deanrock0> FR^2: i am looking at those tutorials and watchdog works great for forkbomb for example, but havent found anything for network
[14:12] <Jck_true> Your Ethernet fails? Mine has been running solid since december
[14:12] <Jck_true> I'm only having issues when I add my 3G modem and there's a voltage drop
[14:12] <FR^2> deanrock0: while true; do ssh yourserver ; shutdown -r now ; done ;)
[14:12] <FR^2> Okay, leave that while loop ;)
[14:13] <deanrock0> wouldn't ssh block waiting for user input?
[14:13] <FR^2> deanrock0: There are some options that prevent that
[14:13] <nid0> yeah network failing would suggest a problem somewhere, that said if you are having issues with it its easy to setup watchdog to check for network failures, just ping setup a timer to ping your gateway/the internet
[14:14] <FR^2> deanrock0: And maybe use "autossh" or such, it tests if the ssh connection _really_ still exists and responds.
[14:14] <nid0> watchdog also has a test for whether a network interface is down
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[14:14] <deanrock0> yeah my network fails every know and then (at least once per month) and all I get are errors about broadcom
[14:15] <deanrock0> i am thinking about pinging my gateway and restarting if there is no response ... will need to brush my bash skills
[14:16] <nid0> if you do want to do it via bash rather than watchdog....
[14:16] <nid0> http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/simple-linux-and-unix-system-monitoring-with-ping-command-and-scripts.html
[14:16] <nid0> replace the hosts with your own, and the echo with a reboot in their example
[14:17] <deanrock0> thanks
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[15:02] <Eduard_Munteanu> I got a Kingston SD10G3 card (8 GB, class 10, UHS).
[15:03] <Eduard_Munteanu> I'll try it in a bit.
[15:03] * Eduard_Munteanu would still like to debug his TDK though, but needs to get going somehow
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[15:44] <pronto> so, my rpi before would get horrible uptime(eg; would just lock out and not respond after 4 or so days) replaced the usbcharger i was using (had been using one that came with a phone)
[15:45] <pronto> http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=112&cp_id=11212&cs_id=1085102&p_id=10273&seq=1&format=2 with that one
[15:45] <pronto> sooo much better now
[15:45] <pronto> at 17 days now, no issues
[15:45] * pronto collects $$ from monosprice now >.>
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[15:47] <jimvin> fairly reasonably priced power brick too. How is the fit in the socket? it almost looks like it might work loose due to size/weight
[15:49] <pronto> i have it on a powerstrip, so it stays nicely
[15:49] <pronto> (a squid style one)
[15:49] <pronto> http://www.powersquid.com/ one of those kinds(not that one though)
[15:50] <pronto> but yeah, does look like it could get loose, if you're worried you could always tape it down
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[15:57] <yggdrasil> good morning gents
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[15:58] <pronto> moin
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[16:04] <dan2k3k4> do laptops with hdmi, support 'input' ? as in can I use my laptops' screen for the RPi? I don't have any monitors yet
[16:04] <pronto> most dont
[16:04] <pronto> i think theres been a handful that do
[16:04] <dan2k3k4> ok
[16:05] <dan2k3k4> hmm so I'll just use the shell then
[16:05] <pronto> but if you dont know if yours does or not, its a good bet does not
[16:05] <Grievre> can you convert HDMI to DVI or just the other way?
[16:05] <pronto> as far as i know you can do both
[16:05] <pronto> i do hdmi->dvi a lot
[16:05] <pronto> you lose the hdmi out sound, but still get video
[16:06] <pronto> ...(whats wrong with me, i'm being helpfulish)
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[16:13] <yggdrasil> i have an hdim to dvi adatper and and hdmi to vga adatper
[16:13] <FR^2> my pc's graphics card (DVI) is connected to the hdmi connector of my TV
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[16:38] <Eduard_Munteanu> WTF... I was pretty sure I loaded the stuff on the sdcard, now I'm getting a blue screen.
[16:38] * Eduard_Munteanu tries again
[16:39] <IT_Sean> Eduard_Munteanu: language.
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[16:40] <Eduard_Munteanu> IT_Sean: ok, sorry about that
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[16:47] <gordonDrogon> afternoon pips.
[16:47] <Eduard_Munteanu> Phew, it works now.
[16:48] <gordonDrogon> Eduard_Munteanu, you have an SD card that works now?
[16:48] <Eduard_Munteanu> gordonDrogon: yeah, bought one today
[16:48] <Eduard_Munteanu> 8 GB, class 10, UHS
[16:49] <gordonDrogon> good.
[16:49] <Eduard_Munteanu> (Kingston, that is)
[16:49] <gordonDrogon> not sur ethe class 10 will buy you anything, but if it's working for you then good!
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[16:49] <Eduard_Munteanu> gordonDrogon: someone recommended I should try UHS cards; they might have had to redesign the controller, they said.
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[16:52] <yggdrasil> gordoen how you doign today?
[16:52] <jimvin> If anyone is interested in simulating a PDP-11 on their raspberry pi I have put PDPi-11 up on github
[16:52] <jimvin> https://github.com/Jimvin/PDPi-11
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[16:54] <gordonDrogon> Eduard_Munteanu, so I ahve some Sandisk SDHC class 6 cards. Kingston micro sdch class 4 and a sandisk but otherwise unmarked card.
[16:54] <gordonDrogon> all 4Gb.
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[16:54] <robscomputer> hello and good morning
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[16:54] <gordonDrogon> yggdrasil, doing ok thanks.
[16:55] <gordonDrogon> jimvin, ahh.. lots of pdp11 interest recently. My first Unix experience was on a PDP11.
[16:56] <jimvin> gordonDrogon: That's what I thought. Congrats on cutting your teeth on a real computer ;-)
[16:56] <gordonDrogon> jimvin, it was not the first computer I used...
[16:57] <jimvin> The biggest thing I miss is the absense of vi. My ed skills are not what they should be
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[16:59] <jimvin> gordonDrogon: If it was you forst UNIX experience that makes it your first real computer though, right?
[16:59] <yggdrasil> gordonDrogon: thanks for all the help this wekend.
[16:59] <jimvin> I've had a play with some older computers in my time but not DEC equipment
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[17:00] <gordonDrogon> brb. phone call
[17:01] <JakeSays> jimvin: i think you mean real OLD computer
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[17:02] <jimvin> I'm going to stop digging this hole right now.
[17:04] <gordonDrogon> yes, first unix experience - 32 years ago pdp11/40.
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[17:04] <gordonDrogon> had used other "big" computers before that - interdata 11/32 running an OS called Mouses...
[17:04] <gordonDrogon> Prime 550.
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[17:05] <gordonDrogon> and Apple and HP micros...
[17:05] <gordonDrogon> (and PET/TRS80 but tehy don't count ;-)
[17:05] <gordonDrogon> Hm. do I want that old Unix v6 experience...
[17:06] <gordonDrogon> I hacked the source to lpd - on that. it was one of my first C programs...
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[17:06] <gordonDrogon> talk about in at the deep end!
[17:07] <pronto> thatswhat...
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[17:13] <yggdrasil> i was teling my wife this weekend that i need to go by my parents house and get my old 8086 before it gets tossed.
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[17:15] <gordonDrogon> Oddly enough, I just don't have any sort of sentimentality over x86 systems at all.
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[17:15] <jimvin> gordonDrogon: funny that.
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[17:16] <gordonDrogon> wish I could get hold of an old pdp11 system, but not sure if I have the time (nor money to pay the electricity bill :)
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[17:16] <jimvin> PDPi-11 is the next best thing
[17:16] <jimvin> It's currently got UNIX v6 and v7
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[17:17] <jimvin> I was glad to see some of the basic flags for cc haven't changed since then.
[17:17] <jimvin> cc -o binary source.c
[17:17] <jimvin> Nice
[17:18] <jimvin> If it ain't broke...
[17:19] <mgottschlag> I was quite surprised to hear that there are pdp11 systems (or at least compatible) still in service
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[17:20] <yggdrasil> gordon , the only setngimtality i have for it was that i wrote a lot of basic on it.
[17:20] <yggdrasil> and it was my second computer.
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[17:24] <yggdrasil> how do i change ownsership o of files to everyone ?
[17:24] <mgottschlag> you can't, but you can give everyone all rights
[17:24] <mgottschlag> chmod a+rwx file
[17:25] <yggdrasil> hmm
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[17:25] <yggdrasil> ok
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[17:32] <gordonDrogon> jimvin, which pdp is it emulating?
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[17:36] <arcanescu> the alsasinkl on the pi does it output audio via the hdmi port or the audio jack?
[17:36] <jimvin> gordonDrogon: right now PDP11/45 I believe
[17:37] <jimvin> But you can configure it to be a range of PDP machines. It's using the SIMH simulator
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[17:58] <arcanescu> how do you output audio to hdmi instead of the audio jack ?
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[17:59] <praeconium> I just installed Occidentalis on Pi, and I changed password, but I never specifed login username, and on boot it asks for login, anyone knows whats default login username on Occidentalis Ada Fruit?
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[18:09] <debdrup> Is mpeg4 live tv supported?
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[18:14] <chithead> if by mpeg4 you mean mpeg 4 avc, then it should work with xbmc
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[18:15] <debdrup> well i don't know what digital signal my provider sends out
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[18:18] <chithead> most linux video players have a properties menu option, which displays a dialog box with the detected media formats and codecs
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[18:19] <debdrup> i don't have a raspberry pi or tuner yet, that's why i'm asking :)
[18:20] <debdrup> and my philips tv which runs linux isn't too informative on that subject
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[18:20] <chithead> then maybe you can find information about your broadcaster
[18:20] <debdrup> i've been searching, but it's a rather small company
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[18:21] <debdrup> it's not priority one to get the information yet though because i don't actually have the money to purchase the hardware yet, so no worries :)
[18:22] <debdrup> i wonder if the tvs specs can illuminate it
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[18:24] <ZogG_laptop> hey-o
[18:24] <debdrup> well, thanks for your help :)
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[18:26] <ZogG_laptop> so who is running gentoo/funtoo on rpi here?
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[18:28] <pronto> gentoo on rpi sounds painful
[18:28] <pronto> unless you crosscompile
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[21:12] <dagerik> different websites have different flash video players. especially news sites. how can i play them? flash is too slow. i use youtube-dl for youtube videos.
[21:13] <pronto> thanks?
[21:13] <dagerik> pronto: huh?
[21:14] <pronto> i dunno, that statement was quite random
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[21:21] <Eduard_Munteanu> dagerik: for youtube you can enable the HTML5 trial
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[21:21] <Eduard_Munteanu> dagerik: also, w/o HTML5, I think various sites let you download the flv and let an external player stream it.
[21:22] <Eduard_Munteanu> It seems to me they do that on e.g. Chrome on Android devices.
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[21:58] <Skullclown> what runs first, @reboot in sudo crontab, or /etc/init.d/script.sh with defaults?
[21:59] <Exposure> anyone come across example code of vcgencmd stuff? I'd like to access it directly from my code instead of through command exec
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[21:59] <Exposure> Skullclown: init scripts run first though I don't know rpi specifics...
[22:01] <Skullclown> Exposure: I can't say I'm too familiar with init scripts, is there a way to set one script to run before another? (e.g. script1.sh runs first, script2.sh runs afterwards, while both are in init.d/)
[22:02] <Exposure> yep but it depends on the type of script
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[22:04] <Skullclown> Exposure: basically I have one that executes a single command that needs to run at boot and the other script is (start|stop|status|restart)
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[22:05] <Exposure> one shot commands usually go in rc.local which is executed last
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[22:06] <Skullclown> the issue is the one-shot command mounts an ecryptfs directory and the start/stop one controls a node.js server in that encrypted folder
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[22:06] <Exposure> can't you use fstab to mount?
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[22:08] <Skullclown> never used fstab before, does it support " -o option1,option2,option3", where those are options for ecryptfs?
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[22:08] <Exposure> it does
[22:09] <Skullclown> then I believe fstab might be the solution
[22:10] <Skullclown> /.dir /dir ecryptfs option1=a,option2=b 0 0
[22:10] <Encrypt> Skullclown, Your filesystem is encrypted ?
[22:10] <Skullclown> Encrypt: ecryptfs, a single folder
[22:10] <Skullclown> not a home folder, not the standard ecryptfs .Private folder, a custom one on a custom location
[22:10] <Encrypt> Skullclown, When I used EncFs with Dropbox, I also used pamp_mount to automatically mount the encrypted folders
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[22:11] <Encrypt> pam_mount*
[22:11] <Encrypt> Have a look at that ;)
[22:11] <Skullclown> isn't pam_mount at login?
[22:11] <Exposure> hmm i'm looking at mountall.sh and it doesn't look like it mounts ecrypts volumes automatically :(
[22:11] <Skullclown> I need one at startup
[22:11] <Encrypt> Hum... Let me have a look...
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[22:12] <Skullclown> sudo mount -t ecryptfs -o ecryptfs_cipher=aes /.dir /dir
[22:12] <Skullclown> is the standard trick
[22:12] <Skullclown> I only put one option in, but there's also an option to supply a password file, etc.
[22:13] <Encrypt> You're right for pam_mount...
[22:14] <netman87> hmm how fast should gtx560 ti be for bitcoin mining?
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[22:15] <Skullclown> netman87: if you're mining bitcoins, you're probably doing it wrong
[22:15] <donta> what do you guys think is the coolest command you can do on the raspberry pi?
[22:15] <Skullclown> at least if you're trying to do it for profit (i.e. to get bitcoins)
[22:16] <donta> btw - if anyone here is interested, I'm doing a group buy for the ASICMiner USB sticks... they work with the rpi
[22:16] <donta> 1BTC for 300Mh/s
[22:17] <Mortvert> BTC? really?
[22:17] <netman87> donta, sudo apt-get install -y git build-essential libsdl1.2-dev cmake
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[22:18] <Encrypt> donta, As far as I'm concerned, I'm trying to make a grouped order to buy TypeMatrix keyboards...
[22:18] <donta> Mortvert: Hmm?
[22:18] <netman87> Skullclown, im trying to test little bit
[22:18] <Encrypt> ... in France
[22:18] <netman87> if i want profit i should be using FPGA and/or ASIC before difficult level raises
[22:18] <donta> netman87: what does that do? I'm a little fearful to try it! haha
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[22:19] <Encrypt> donkeybox, What is this key supposed to do?
[22:19] <netman87> donta, just SDL developement library and cmake and compiler things and git so you can start being creative
[22:19] <Encrypt> s/key/stick
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[22:20] <netman87> Encrypt, asic stick?
[22:21] <Encrypt> Ya
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[22:21] <donta> btw - not sure if anyone was actually interested, but this is what the group buy is for: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=217104.msg2559360#msg2559360
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[22:21] <netman87> calculate sha256
[22:21] <Exposure> probably a little late to start mining now
[22:21] <Encrypt> I don't understand the aim of Bitcoins either... :p
[22:22] <donta> Encrypt: no main bank
[22:22] <donta> ie: the gov can't keep printing money at any whim
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[22:22] <Exposure> the gov doesn't do that, the banks themselves do ;)
[22:22] <donta> bitcoins are limited to be "minted" at a steady rate
[22:24] <netman87> donta, how fast are you calculating hashes?
[22:25] <Exposure> theres a reference to vcgencmd sources becoming available on the forum... from sept 2012
[22:25] <Exposure> so I guess it hasn't happened yet?
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[22:26] <donta> netman87: do you mean network wide, or just me?
[22:26] <netman87> you
[22:26] <donta> netman87: I'm at around 10Gh/s today
[22:27] <donta> netman87: I've sold off a lot of my hardware
[22:27] <netman87> huh. what kind of hardware are you using atm?
[22:27] <donta> FPGAs
[22:27] <donta> which I am looking to sell... :/
[22:27] <Encrypt> donta, I have read how it works...
[22:28] <Exposure> so you made more money off selling the hw than the mining itself ;)
[22:28] <donta> I require the money for other projects
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[22:28] <Skullclown> mining isn't really profitable these days..
[22:28] <Encrypt> It would be better if we were sure no trade is done on bitcoins...
[22:28] <donta> Exposure: No? I don't sell wardware
[22:28] <donta> *hardware
[22:28] <Skullclown> iirc, it hasn't been in a long long time? if you want to earn money with BTC, go trade them instead of mining
[22:29] <netman87> Skullclown, who says its not profitable? why its not?
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[22:29] <Exposure> it takes too much effort to mine the remaining coins
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[22:30] <Skullclown> netman87: maybe 2 months back I read multiple blogs and an entry in my local newspaper about the effort, hardware, time wasted, ...
[22:30] <netman87> you mean 5V and 2A are too much?
[22:30] <donta> do you guys have any uses for this type of FPGA: http://www.ztex.de/usb-fpga-1/usb-fpga-1.15y.e.html
[22:31] <donta> Skullclown: I have been profiting mining bitcoins
[22:31] <Skullclown> donta: define profiting
[22:31] <donta> Skullclown: GPUs are not very profitable these days due to FPGAs and ASICs
[22:31] <donta> Skullclown: ROI
[22:31] <Skullclown> I can farm WoW gold all day and night and "profit" but in comparison to going to work...
[22:32] <ozzzy> ugh..... work [shudder]
[22:32] <donta> Skullclown: I don't have that level of a mining farm, but I could expand to it if I had the funds
[22:32] <Skullclown> self-employed, so yay
[22:32] <plugwash> Exposure, afaict the source to vcgencmd is at https://github.com/raspberrypi/userland/tree/master/host_applications/linux/apps/gencmd
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[22:37] <netman87> donta, they seem to be expensive :(
[22:38] <donta> netman87: yeah, the ASICs are about $100
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[22:38] <donta> netman87: do you have any ideas what I could do with those FPGAs I'm mining on?
[22:38] <netman87> why are those FPGA boards so expensive?
[22:39] <netman87> arent those chips actually pretty cheap
[22:39] <donta> netman87: they're fairly powerful
[22:39] <donta> netman87: Idk
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[22:40] <Armand> I have the overwhelming urge to say.... GET A REAL JOB!
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[22:40] <Skullclown> real jobs pay significantly more than BTC mining o.o
[22:41] <Skullclown> and a real job can take less effort.. depending on the job.
[22:41] <IT_Sean> yeah... your lucky these days if you can make beer money at bitcoin mining.
[22:41] <ozzzy> BTC mining is for people that like to spend $1000s to make .05/hr
[22:41] <chithead> such as btc consulting :)
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[22:42] * ozzzy will never work again (if you count 'work' as something one does for pay)
[22:43] <IT_Sean> ozzzy: you marry a sugar momma?
[22:43] <ozzzy> no... I retired
[22:43] <IT_Sean> ah.
[22:43] <IT_Sean> You must be an Old Fart, then.
[22:43] <ozzzy> that's Phart please
[22:43] <IT_Sean> really?
[22:43] <IT_Sean> Really?
[22:43] <ozzzy> Olde Phart
[22:43] <IT_Sean> Ph?
[22:44] <HonkeyGenius> Old Phart that farts old farts
[22:44] <ozzzy> as in Ye
[22:44] <IT_Sean> that makes you [something i can't say in #raspberrypi]
[22:45] <ozzzy> http://www.togastro.com/ozzzy/images/pi_astro_board.png <--- AstroPi Rev A
[22:45] <IT_Sean> What's that do?
[22:46] <ozzzy> telescope focus motor, DSLR shutter control, anti-dew heat control, tty breakout
[22:46] <IT_Sean> Nice.
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[22:46] <ozzzy> unless my partner whines too much I'll do the gerbers and get it out to the fab
[22:47] <IT_Sean> So, it's for time elapsed photos through a telescope?
[22:47] <IT_Sean> why not add object tracking to it?
[22:47] <ozzzy> http://goo.gl/QmVXi <-- case it fits in
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[22:47] <ozzzy> because most telescopes already do that
[22:47] <ozzzy> and they do it better than anything I could cobble together
[22:48] <IT_Sean> Oh.
[22:48] <IT_Sean> Mine doesn't. :/
[22:48] <ozzzy> I think mine actually has an ARM processor in it
[22:48] <IT_Sean> I could add that feature for a metric bumload of money, i suppose.
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[22:49] <IT_Sean> Its a rather moot point. My telescope is in storage, 14 hours drive(each way) from here.
[22:49] <IT_Sean> :(
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[22:50] <donta> Armand: Bitcoin is a hobby for me right now
[22:50] <ozzzy> the logistics of creating a modern 'goto' mount out of an older one is pretty tough
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[22:51] <Armand> I cannot see any relevance to it.
[22:51] <Armand> It's just like saying.. "Sure, I'll do all this 'work' then you can mug me"
[22:53] * IT_Sean wants to get his telescope here
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[22:57] <netman87> donta, doesnt sound hobby if you have 1000 usd devices for it :(
[22:57] <donta> netman87: I reinvested profits
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[22:57] <donta> also the FPGAs are only $600 each
[22:58] <netman87> it seems that one chip cost 150usd
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[23:00] <donta> cool, sounds like I got a good deal then...
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[23:05] <netman87> why i dont see any information about my miner :(
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[23:06] <ech0s7> at the moment I do not remember the name of a powerful dhcp server, can you help me?
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[23:08] <SpeedEvil> powerful?
[23:08] <Skullclown> ech0s7: there are a few DHCP servers widely used
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[23:08] <Skullclown> dnsmasq being one
[23:09] <steve_rox> everyone going mad with bitcoin stuff since the news posts?
[23:09] <ech0s7> dnsmasq Thanks!!
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[23:19] <beaky> hello
[23:19] <Eduard_Munteanu> beaky: hi
[23:19] <beaky> how do I get started with my raspberri pi
[23:19] <beaky> I want to use it to blink LEDs :D
[23:19] <Eduard_Munteanu> beaky: did you install an OS on it?
[23:19] <beaky> not yet
[23:19] <Eduard_Munteanu> If not, look at http://www.raspberrypi.org/
[23:20] <beaky> its still inside the box
[23:20] <linuxstb> step 1: take it out of the box ;)
[23:20] * SpeedEvil ponders a 555 os.
[23:20] <SpeedEvil> 'enter capacitor value'
[23:20] <beaky> what is the best OS to put in it?
[23:20] <beaky> windows?
[23:21] * linuxstb hopes that's a joke
[23:21] <netman87> why people buy it if they arent interested enough to read about it?
[23:21] <steve_rox> haha
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[23:22] <beaky> alright its out of the box
[23:22] <beaky> wow its small
[23:23] <netman87> someone should make script for this channel. every message with "?" and "how" should get link to raspberry pi foundation and for google.com
[23:23] <beaky> the quickstart guide says I need an SD card, HDMI wire, and a charger
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[23:24] <beaky> can it do WiFi?
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[23:24] <linuxstb> beaky: Plus a keyboard and/or a network cable or wifi dongle if you actually want to do something with it.
[23:24] <linuxstb> Not by itself, no.
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[23:24] <beaky> right; I have those WiFi usb thingies
[23:24] <beaky> maybe I can ssh into it
[23:24] <netman87> beaky, SD card atleast 2GB size, composite video/RCA/hdmi cable and microUSB charger/microUSB cable/5V 1A power supply with pin female pin connectors
[23:25] <linuxstb> beaky: You'll probably need a keyboard to configure the wifi initially.
[23:25] <netman87> to connect to it you need network cable or some of wlan usb sticks that does not use much of power. you should have powered usb hub maybe too
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[23:26] <beaky> alright I'm off to buy those
[23:26] <beaky> hmm stores are all closed :(
[23:26] <beaky> damn
[23:26] <netman87> i hope you can get atleast 4GB memory card. you dont have any?
[23:27] <beaky> I think I do on my camera
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[23:27] <netman87> you can use it and get new one for your raspberry or camera later :)
[23:27] <netman87> you just lose everything on memory card
[23:27] <beaky> so installing a linux arm distro on it is just a matter of loading it on the SD card from another PC, then booting off it?
[23:27] <beaky> or do you boot from a usb stick
[23:27] <linuxstb> You have to boot from the SD card.
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[23:28] <beaky> ah
[23:28] <beaky> what is the best distro for the pi?
[23:28] <netman87> beaky, try rasbian
[23:28] <linuxstb> Raspbian is probably the most used
[23:28] <beaky> I prefer arch on PC, but I guess it doesn't support arm :( maybe I will try raspbian
[23:28] <ozzzy> you can install arch on it
[23:28] <netman87> there is arch version for pi
[23:28] <linuxstb> You can use Arch on the Pi, from what people say in this channel, it seems the second-choice
[23:29] <linuxstb> Or rather, the second most popular choice.
[23:29] <netman87> just that most users have rasbian anyways so it could be easier to use. atleast for those who dont use linux so much
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[23:32] <na85> it's just that debian is a very common "intermediate" linux
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[23:32] <na85> after people are done using ubuntu they move onto debian
[23:32] <na85> and so it's very popular and very familiar to most users
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[23:32] <na85> which makes raspian a natural choice for many
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[23:40] <gordonDrogon> evening...
[23:41] <ozzzy> howdy
[23:41] <gordonDrogon> internediate?
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[23:56] <netman87> donta, sauer?
[23:56] <beaky> my pi only has 2 usbs
[23:56] <beaky> how do I fit more stuff in it?
[23:57] <IT_Sean> Powered hub
[23:57] <SpeedEvil> odd. mine has 6.
[23:57] <netman87> didnt i say it earlier
[23:57] <netman87> <netman87> to connect to it you need network cable or some of wlan usb sticks that does not use much of power. you should have powered usb hub maybe too
[23:57] <beaky> ah
[23:57] <gordonDrogon> beaky, could be worse - could be a model A with only one USB..
[23:57] <beaky> oh right
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[23:57] <beaky> heh model A
[23:58] <IT_Sean> Model As have 1 USB. Model Bs have 2 USB ports. You can add more with a powered USB hub
[23:58] <netman87> im magician. i think i add more usb's without powered usb hubs :)
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[23:59] <netman87> ill like DIY

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