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IRC Log for 2013-06-26

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[0:19] <steve_rox> got fun?
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[0:35] <rikkib> Hmmm neither E14 or RS have the camera in stock
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[0:37] <SpeedEvil> Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
[0:39] <Bushmills> magic smoke just escaped
[0:40] <rikkib> lol
[0:40] <IT_Sean> ...
[0:40] <Armand> Uh-ohh!
[0:40] <IT_Sean> Bushmills!?
[0:40] <IT_Sean> what did you release the magic smoke from!?
[0:41] <IT_Sean> You do know you can't put the smoke back in,! right!?
[0:41] <Armand> ....the magic bong?
[0:41] * Armand ducks
[0:41] <Bushmills> No, I didn't. I gathered that SpeedEvil let it escape
[0:41] <IT_Sean> Oooh
[0:42] <SpeedEvil> Or maybe I was trying to type 'no!' and the keyboard bug hit.
[0:42] <kaste> Where is the temperature sensor on the pi located and what's the highest sane reading (without longterm damage)?
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[0:44] <rikkib> Tmp is sensed in the GPU I think or the arm chip in the same package
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[0:48] <rikkib> If you want to measure temp external to the RPi try DHT22
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[1:08] <kaste> What's a good way to enclose a lot of pis to not get heat trouble?
[1:08] <Armand> + fans
[1:09] <chithead> I never heard of heat trouble with pis
[1:09] <Armand> Having a lot in a small, enclosed space may cause a build up of heat, so ventilate it. :)
[1:09] <kaste> well I stack 20 of them in 2 HE and yes they get hot
[1:10] <kaste> I see almost 70 degrees even with a row of fans that came with the casing
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[1:11] <Dante93> Hi
[1:11] <kaste> but so far very one of them is in a casing by itself because I dread thinking about insulating them from each ohter once I take them out and I think that adds a lot to the heat buildup
[1:12] <Armand> kaste: you *stack* them.. ? As in, a tower ?
[1:12] <kaste> well no, they stand on their long side one next to the other. It's a stack (it's even numbered contigously) but sideways
[1:13] <Dante93> Why on the internet they always say that the best way to program on the raspberry is trough python?
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[1:13] <plugwash> because they are python fanboys?
[1:13] <kaste> because that's what they were imagined to do (pi = python interpreter)
[1:13] <Armand> I don't see why you'd have an issue then... if the airflow is set up right.
[1:13] * SpeedEvil lols.
[1:14] <kaste> Armand: they are shoulder to should, the airflow is crap
[1:14] <Armand> In that case, ditch the case. :P
[1:14] * SpeedEvil is doing the numbers for a device using 10kW of peltiers.
[1:14] <Armand> SpeedEvil: Only 2 then?? lol
[1:14] <chithead> Dante93: because python is the new BASIC
[1:15] <Dante93> Kaste: ok but why python? I mean if i use it on the raspberry instead of c++ is there any advantage?
[1:15] <SpeedEvil> Armand: I'm actually investigating it for a room AC.
[1:15] <kaste> Dante93: no, it was just intended as a tool for kids to learn programming and computer stkills, use whatever you want
[1:15] <Armand> Sounds like fun..
[1:15] <SpeedEvil> If you use peltiers at 1/5th their sticker rating, they're quite efficient
[1:16] <kaste> python is usually thought to be easy that's why it was put up as the poster boy language
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[1:16] <SpeedEvil> How are obscene usernames handled by the channel guidelines?
[1:16] <Dante93> Imho the best to start from is C since all the other are c-like
[1:17] <kaste> that's only halftrue at best
[1:17] <Armand> SpeedEvil: Just give Ops a prod. ;)
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[1:18] <SpeedEvil> I was idly wondering.
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[1:18] <kaste> abolish family friendliness and you have less headaches
[1:18] <Dante93> kaste: well it's where i started from at school and it was easy enough
[1:19] <chithead> some beginner tutorials use only assembly language http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/projects/raspberrypi/tutorials/os/
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[1:19] <Dante93> Mov ax,bx :)
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[1:19] <SpeedEvil> SEX HL
[1:19] <kaste> Dante93: yes so did I, but I have learned to many non c-like languages
[1:20] <kaste> I just can't claim anymore that this were true in any sense (some are quite odd)
[1:21] <Dante93> About the rasp, is there any wifi dongle that works without a powered usb hub?
[1:21] <chithead> http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals#USB_WiFi_Adapters
[1:22] <chithead> er, http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals#USB_Wi-Fi_Adapters
[1:22] <Armand> I have an RT5370 that works fine.
[1:22] <Armand> ^ on Raspbian
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[1:23] <Dante93> Armand: without the powered hub?
[1:23] <Armand> Yup
[1:24] <Armand> But then, I don't have anything else plugged into the rPi.
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[1:24] <Dante93> Even the keyboard?
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[1:27] <Armand> No keyboard
[1:27] <Armand> I only access mine via SSH
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[1:27] <Dante93> Ok, thanks
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[1:28] <Dante93> I'm thinking on doing a ssh tunnel with my rPi to use when i go at the university since it has a firewall
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[1:31] <dansan> my brother wants to use some solar-powered Pis to create a wifi bridge to his home in the mountains :)
[1:32] <SpeedEvil> dansan: Where are you?
[1:32] <dansan> Well, I'm in Texas, he's up in Idaho
[1:32] <dansan> he has crappy internet
[1:32] <SpeedEvil> dansan: I did the numbers to get a solar powered Pi in scotland up most of the time. I ended up needing a 250W solar panel, and 100Ah 12V battery
[1:32] <dansan> wow!!
[1:33] <SpeedEvil> dansan: you need to find out what the worst week in winter will provide.
[1:33] <dansan> And he's looking at this wifi adapter that has a 2w transmission signal
[1:33] <SpeedEvil> And then if you have snow - you have obvious other issues.
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[1:35] <Armand> I'm looking at making an amp'd antenna myself.. my friend is designing something for me. :)
[1:35] <MachinaeWolf> Is the fedora version for pi light?
[1:35] <dansan> sorry, had to afk
[1:36] <dansan> Armand: fun!
[1:36] <Armand> Yep. ^_^
[1:36] <dansan> SpeedEvil: yeah, he lives near a ski resort -- LOTS of snow
[1:36] <dansan> SpeedEvil: I hadn't even thought of that, how would you deal with that? You would have to manually clear the snow I guess?
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[1:37] <dansan> Maybe have some motorized thing that rotates the panel and dumps it?
[1:37] <SpeedEvil> dansan: http://rredc.nrel.gov/solar/old_data/nsrdb/1961-1990/redbook/sum2/24131.txt - Boise
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[1:37] <SpeedEvil> You can mount the panel vertically - which helps
[1:37] <dansan> ahhh!
[1:39] <SpeedEvil> If you did that - at Boise - you get in January worst case - 1.5kWh/m^2/day of collector. That's about with solar cells at 15%, 150Wh/m^2
[1:39] <Armand> Outta here.. gnite guys. .o/
[1:39] <dansan> nite
[1:39] <SpeedEvil> You need about - for 4W constant say - 24*4 = 100Wh or so.
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[1:39] <SpeedEvil> So about a meter square of panel will be not unreasonable.
[1:40] <dansan> hmm, that's not too bad
[1:40] <SpeedEvil> But that's average.
[1:41] <SpeedEvil> It's likely that the weather is not consistently sunny every day.
[1:42] <SpeedEvil> And if you get a week of half normal, and then a week of 1.5* normal - that would average out - but your battery would need to be quite large.
[1:42] <dansan> yeah. He can also maybe schedule the devices to go into low power mode or some such when he knows he's not going to use them
[1:42] <dansan> especially with a 2watt wifi adapter, that
[1:42] <dansan> that's pretty crazy
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[1:45] <Dante93> Winter is coming
[1:45] <dansan> Actually, summer is just starting...
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[1:46] <Dante93> So you're not a stark XD
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[1:47] <dansan> uhh, yeah, right...
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[3:28] <Code_Bleu> TomWij: did you ever get omxplayer working in gentoo on the pi?
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[3:56] <beaky> hello
[3:57] <IT_Sean> Greetings.
[3:57] <beaky> I've successfully installed the raspbian distro off the NOOBS package :D
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[3:59] <beaky> but after I've reset the pi, it won't boot up properly; it boots up to the video color gradient thing and the raspberry pi splash screen until it crashes and reboots again :( what should I do?
[4:00] <beaky> I think I will try flashing the SD card with NOOBS again
[4:01] <beaky> but I've successfully got the standalone archlinux arm image working on another SD card :D
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[4:01] <beaky> what are the first things a raspberry pi user should do once he boots up?
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[4:06] <Datalink> beaky, raspi-config (rasbian starts this by default) define hostname, define password, define if you want the window manager or not, and set your memory slice
[4:06] <beaky> ah
[4:06] <beaky> is there a way to improve the boot time of the system?
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[4:06] <Datalink> I personally run 'sudo apt-get update' then 'sudo apt-get upgrade'
[4:07] <Datalink> uh, trimming the daemons but I recommend only doing that if you are a fairly advanced Linux user already
[4:07] <beaky> ah
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[4:07] <beaky> the NOOBS package seems to have everything nicely set up :D
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[4:09] <beaky> my pi runs strangely and sluggishly when i hook a wifi dongle to its usb port. why is that?
[4:09] <beaky> i guess the power supply is bad?
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[4:28] <netman87> anyone can help me use stellaris launchpad with raspberry pi?
[4:28] <netman87> seems like energia ide is outdated and i wanna try some tricks with it
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[4:44] <technomancy> beaky: turning off rsyslog cut like ten seconds for me
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[4:44] <technomancy> on raspbian anyway
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[4:57] <beaky> wow thanks
[4:58] <beaky> it worked!
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[4:59] <steve_rox> starting to wonder how rare the rpi cameras are
[5:00] <steve_rox> i found one on ebay with current bid of �92
[5:00] <steve_rox> 22 bids
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[5:09] <Tickle> Hello
[5:09] <pronto> hello
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[5:17] <Xark> steve_rox: Hmm, so that is about medium rare? :)
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[5:19] <steve_rox> erm i dunno
[5:19] <steve_rox> just seems a bit insane price
[5:19] <steve_rox> maybe theres a shortage
[5:20] <Tickle> Guess out of all of these which one is the cheapest and most stable: http://i.imgur.com/xlXHnga.jpg
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[5:31] <Datalink> Tickle, uh, prolly the Pi, since it's probably running a hardware optimized distro
[5:32] * Datalink sets up 2 RPis for work, to use as messageboards for cable broadcast.
[5:32] <beaky> I love rpi
[5:32] <Tickle> When you say it like that… :(
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[6:01] <yggdrasil> whats going on.
[6:01] <yggdrasil> ?
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[6:02] <shiftplusone> shhh, nap time.
[6:02] <yggdrasil> WhASAGOING ON!
[6:02] <yggdrasil> :)
[6:02] <shiftplusone> D=
[6:02] <steve_rox> who can tell
[6:03] <yggdrasil> i dont know
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[6:38] <beaky> hello
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[6:42] <steve_rox> hello
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[6:47] <{Nathan}_> hi
[6:48] <yggdrasil> sup {Nathan}_
[6:49] <beaky> so the pi is used to introduce children to a programming environment?
[6:49] <yggdrasil> sometimes
[6:49] <beaky> ah
[6:49] <{Nathan}_> nothing yggdrasil... waiting for retropie to compile
[6:50] <{Nathan}_> the image on the retropie website is broken
[6:50] <{Nathan}_> nothing runs
[6:50] <esas> can you use any wifi usb adapter (dongle) for making a wifi hotspot, or does it have to be a specific chip?
[6:50] <{Nathan}_> so I'm attempting to upgrade it (both apt and retropie-setup script) and hopefully it'll work
[6:51] <{Nathan}_> esas: not all chipsets will support thta
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[6:51] <yggdrasil> whats retropi ?
[6:51] <yggdrasil> esas: alot of chips are supported
[6:51] <{Nathan}_> retropie is retroarch for raspberry pi
[6:51] <yggdrasil> realteks
[6:52] <yggdrasil> emulators ?
[6:52] <{Nathan}_> which is a multisystem emulator
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[6:52] <yggdrasil> ahh for sure
[6:52] <{Nathan}_> if this doesn't work I'm going to install raspbmc, setup retropie on it, and see if I can get games working from xbmc
[6:53] <yggdrasil> isee what are yo utrying to emulate specifically?
[6:53] <esas> alright.. I'll find a specific one then and check forums to see if someone used it :) thanks!
[6:53] <{Nathan}_> nes and snes is what I want the most
[6:53] <{Nathan}_> gba/gbc/gb would be nice too
[6:54] <beaky> how do you resize the root partition on the raspberry pi?
[6:54] <yggdrasil> type sudo raspi-config
[6:54] <yggdrasil> if you are raspian
[6:54] <beaky> ah thanks
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[6:55] <{Nathan}_> so what do most people here use their raspberry pi's for?
[6:55] <beaky> hmm doesn't seem to work on archlinux-arm :(
[6:55] <stoned> im having trouble finding a rpi onlie
[6:55] <stoned> for sale
[6:55] <stoned> where do you guys buy 'em
[6:55] <stoned> are they still in production?
[6:55] <yggdrasil> Pbeaky
[6:55] <yggdrasil> your gonna have to growfs
[6:55] <{Nathan}_> stoned: I bought mine at microcenter locally. They're on amazon
[6:55] <yggdrasil> you can stick the card into another linux box and use gparted if it makes it easier
[6:55] <beaky> I think element14 distributes pis?
[6:55] <stoned> I'm looking to do a portable web browser on tv thingy
[6:55] <stoned> and a portable emulated game system
[6:56] <beaky> some UK distributors carry the pi (farnell, rs electronics)
[6:56] <AlmtyBob> going to automate my tie rack
[6:56] <AlmtyBob> because
[6:56] <Tickle> ^ awesome
[6:56] <beaky> I am using mine as a cheap desktop
[6:56] <{Nathan}_> I'm working on a emulator right now on my pi
[6:56] <yggdrasil> i play alot of mp3s
[6:57] <yggdrasil> i made it just play random mp3s from some that i put on thcard when it starts up
[6:57] <yggdrasil> so i plug it in my car
[6:57] <{Nathan}_> that's interesting. I've thought about doing car audio but my raspberry pi has really bad audio intereferance
[6:57] <yggdrasil> im actually attempting to write some code for led blinking stuff, so its teaching me C
[6:57] <stoned> how much should I expect to pay for one, plus case, and what else would I require?
[6:57] <yggdrasil> {Nathan}_: it houdlnt ..
[6:58] <yggdrasil> mine works fine
[6:58] <stoned> http://www.ebay.com/itm/CN-Ver-Raspberry-Pi-Model-B-512MB-ARM11-Linux-System-Development-Board-Case-C-/251249400851?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a7fa19c13
[6:58] <stoned> this ok?
[6:58] <yggdrasil> get it from element 14 id say
[6:58] <{Nathan}_> really? mine makes a bunch of popping sounds over analog audio
[6:58] <yggdrasil> if your in the stated
[6:58] <yggdrasil> hmm.
[6:58] <stoned> china?
[6:58] <stoned> hm
[6:58] <stoned> could be a knockoff?
[6:58] <{Nathan}_> but not over hdmi
[6:58] <yggdrasil> how about when not in the car ?
[6:58] <{Nathan}_> this is all the time, I use it as an xbmc media center
[6:58] <yggdrasil> wow
[6:58] <{Nathan}_> even without USB devices
[6:58] <esas> okay, I found an adapter with a chipset that seems to work.. But I'm not going to use internet bridging.. I want devices on the wifi to be able to connect to the raspi.. Is that possible or is the raspi not available in the network when it's hosting the hotspot?
[6:59] <{Nathan}_> multiple power sources
[6:59] <yggdrasil> no mines clean
[6:59] <{Nathan}_> hmm
[6:59] <{Nathan}_> :(
[6:59] <{Nathan}_> I wonder if mine is messed up
[6:59] <yggdrasil> perfect even.
[6:59] <yggdrasil> you try raspbian?
[6:59] <stoned> http://www.amazon.com/CanaKit-Raspberry-Complete-Original-Preloaded/dp/B008XVAVAW/
[6:59] <stoned> is this ok?
[6:59] <{Nathan}_> well it does it on the retropie image as well as openelec
[6:59] <stoned> heh, sorry to being such a noob
[6:59] <{Nathan}_> and retropie is based on debian for arm in some way
[7:00] <yggdrasil> yea
[7:00] <yggdrasil> hmm i tshouldnt matter.
[7:00] <yggdrasil> stoned: just buy one
[7:00] <stoned> please look at that link
[7:00] <stoned> yggdrasil, are you...
[7:00] <ften> I bought one of those kits last week when they were like 60.
[7:00] <stoned> hmm.
[7:00] <stoned> Rings a bell.
[7:00] <ften> from amazon
[7:00] <stoned> You seem familiar to me. Let me check my email
[7:01] <yggdrasil> {Nathan}_: any other weird things?
[7:02] <stoned> yggdrasil, did you ever fork a doom engine and convert some missing raven eula files to gpl code?
[7:02] <yggdrasil> nope sorry
[7:02] <stoned> np
[7:02] <yggdrasil> i wish i did though
[7:03] <stoned> ok, so look at hat link I pasted on amazon
[7:03] <yggdrasil> id be better off.
[7:03] <stoned> is that worth it?
[7:03] <yggdrasil> i only have a cli system.
[7:03] <yggdrasil> ...
[7:03] <stoned> for 75 bucks I can have it by friday
[7:03] <stoned> clear case, power supply, .. just look at the link
[7:03] <yggdrasil> go for it
[7:03] <stoned> all those things
[7:03] <stoned> they worth it?
[7:03] <stoned> is 75 good?
[7:03] <yggdrasil> yea
[7:03] <yggdrasil> sure
[7:03] <yggdrasil> the pi is 40 bucks
[7:03] <yggdrasil> ps is 7
[7:03] <yggdrasil> case is 10
[7:03] <yggdrasil> shipping at that rate
[7:03] <stoned> it even includes hdmi cable
[7:04] <yggdrasil> worthy of masturbation
[7:04] <stoned> that's 57 so far
[7:04] <yggdrasil> does it have a hdmi to vga
[7:04] <stoned> 4gb sd card too
[7:04] <stoned> no
[7:04] <yggdrasil> digitalWrite (i-1,0) ;
[7:04] <yggdrasil> how do i make
[7:04] <stoned> i don't need vga
[7:04] <stoned> no wifi n
[7:04] <stoned> that's the only thing
[7:04] <yggdrasil> it digitlaWrite (i-1,0) ; but not unless it equals -1
[7:05] <stoned> Edimax EW-7811Un 150 Mbps Wireless 11n Nano Size USB Adapter with EZmax Setup Wizard by Axpertec, Inc. $10.79
[7:05] <stoned> how about this
[7:05] <stoned> that bundle + this thing for 85 total
[7:05] <stoned> exmaz setpu crap, no clue about that
[7:05] <yggdrasil> its an ok deal
[7:05] <stoned> but if not that, I need one that works in linux
[7:05] <stoned> or supported by rpi, and hopefuly 300mpbs
[7:06] <yggdrasil> check the chipset
[7:06] <yggdrasil> google around
[7:06] <yggdrasil> i have an asus thing and its rtl
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[7:07] <stoned> it has no eth port either
[7:07] <stoned> that sucks
[7:07] <stoned> I'm thinking
[7:07] <stoned> if im gonna spend this much, why not get a better board
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[7:09] <beaky> is the raspberry pi the world's smallest PC/
[7:09] <beaky> it is credit-card sized
[7:09] <hybr1d8> no - there are smaller
[7:10] <beaky> ah
[7:10] <hybr1d8> but it all depends on what you define as a 'PC'
[7:10] <yggdrasil> it has an athernet port ?
[7:10] <beaky> yes
[7:10] <yggdrasil> give me the link again?
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[7:12] <yggdrasil> quiter
[7:14] <stoned> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Raspberry-Pi-EVERY-JAILBROKEN-TV-ADDON-RUNS-FASTER-Ultimate-XBMC-Media-Center-/251293986619
[7:14] <stoned> check this out
[7:14] <stoned> $120
[7:15] <stoned> is this chic here?
[7:15] <stoned> might be. She's putting together boxes and selling them on ebay
[7:16] <yggdrasil> hmm
[7:16] <yggdrasil> what do you want to do with your pi ?
[7:17] <stoned> I wasn't even thinking a media box
[7:17] <stoned> but now I am.
[7:17] <yggdrasil> yea
[7:17] <stoned> I wanted a portable desktop pc thingy for tv
[7:17] <yggdrasil> he codecs are limited
[7:17] <stoned> and console emulation gaming
[7:17] <yggdrasil> i see
[7:17] <stoned> latter two are most important
[7:17] <yggdrasil> you should just buy a pi from newark
[7:17] <stoned> newark?
[7:17] <yggdrasil> i mean element 14
[7:17] <yggdrasil> and wait 2 weeks
[7:18] <yggdrasil> its 35 bucks then
[7:18] <stoned> I can wait
[7:18] <stoned> I have hacked xboxes 360s, wii, jb ps3s etc.
[7:18] <stoned> I got my stuff set
[7:18] <stoned> I just wanted to mess w/ this new thing/toy
[7:18] <yggdrasil> yea thats what i suggest
[7:18] <yggdrasil> it is fun
[7:18] <stoned> yup
[7:18] <stoned> I wanted to see what all kinda werid things I can do with it
[7:18] <yggdrasil> but no more fun that putting linux on a usb stick and booting it
[7:18] <yggdrasil> brb
[7:18] <stoned> word
[7:19] <yggdrasil> the ting thats different is the gpio
[7:19] <yggdrasil> brb
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[7:22] <beaky> hello
[7:22] <yggdrasil> beaky: poor isp ?
[7:22] <beaky> ah no I am just rebooting my pi :D
[7:23] <yggdrasil> ahh
[7:23] <beaky> it boots quick
[7:23] <yggdrasil> relative...
[7:24] <beaky> takes like 40 seconds to boot
[7:24] <yggdrasil> aye
[7:24] <yggdrasil> then type startx
[7:24] <yggdrasil> another 40 seconds
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[7:24] <beaky> heh
[7:24] <yggdrasil> at least
[7:26] <beaky> how do I open more linux consoles on the pi?
[7:26] <beaky> I only get one :(
[7:26] <yggdrasil> ctrl alt f1-8
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[7:27] <beaky> f1 is the current one, and the others are just a blinking underscore cursor on a black screen :(
[7:27] <yggdrasil> hmm
[7:27] <yggdrasil> hit enter ?
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[7:27] <beaky> it works!
[7:27] <beaky> it seems it takes a while for the consoles to 'start'
[7:27] <yggdrasil> yea makes sence
[7:27] <yggdrasil> sense.. saving memore an all that
[7:28] <yggdrasil> i usually ssh in. t
[7:28] <yggdrasil> i take my pi to work in the morning and plug it in when i get to work.. it sort of sits there.. i startx and ...
[7:28] <yggdrasil> sometimes play music, mostly over ssh
[7:29] <yggdrasil> rarely do i have more than one console open
[7:29] <yggdrasil> ill get alot of terms in x going though
[7:29] <yggdrasil> i like cmatrix
[7:29] <yggdrasil> cool little thing to ... display
[7:30] <netman87> i want my stellaris launchpad to work with raspberry pi
[7:30] <netman87> tutorial anyone?
[7:30] <yggdrasil> is that the solar system application ?
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[7:35] <netman87> yggdrasil, TI's stellaris family developement board
[7:35] <netman87> cortex-m4f 80MHz
[7:35] <beaky> stellaris
[7:36] <ricksl> I like my freescale based teensy 3.0
[7:37] <yggdrasil> netman87: i see it pretty dam cool.
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[7:37] <netman87> yeah i did get 2 of them for 5 USD each :)
[7:37] <yggdrasil> yea pi is not the only game in town for sure .. but the easisest supported
[7:38] <beaky> how did the pi become so popular
[7:38] <beaky> compared to alternatives like the stellaris
[7:38] <netman87> hmm where are all my pins
[7:38] <ricksl> stellaris is not a pi alternative
[7:39] <beaky> oh
[7:39] <ricksl> it is more of an arduino alternative
[7:39] <ricksl> but with really, REALLY bad support
[7:39] <beaky> hah
[7:40] <netman87> ricksl, well it havent been there for so long. but TI did give pretty much neat software and price is pretty nice
[7:40] <ricksl> that $12 price tag is only half the story from what I understand, I am pretty sure that a lot of hacking was required to get it working on linux
[7:40] <netman87> well support was there pretty fast
[7:40] <netman87> mines are preorders
[7:40] <netman87> and there was tutorials when i got them
[7:40] <beaky> aha
[7:41] <ricksl> Where you using linux
[7:41] <netman87> but they did make price up after preorder
[7:41] <ricksl> or windows
[7:41] <beaky> why do folks use arduino over a plain avr?
[7:41] <netman87> ricksl, both like always
[7:41] <ricksl> i mean what did you use with your launchpad
[7:41] <netman87> ricksl, both
[7:41] <ricksl> because I thought that the loader was closed source and had to be hacked at to get working
[7:42] <ricksl> I know you can compile it with gccarm
[7:42] <ricksl> or compile your programs using gcc arm
[7:42] <netman87> https://github.com/utzig/lm4tools
[7:43] <netman87> beaky, arduino is quick way to get things done/tested
[7:43] <ricksl> Its a good means to an end, if you want something done might as well do it with something a million other people have done it with as well
[7:44] <netman87> also chips and boards are pretty cheap so you can just dump them in your project and get new one
[7:44] <beaky> a
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[7:44] <netman87> while arm dev boards usually cost something
[7:44] <beaky> arent arm compilers also pricey? keil costs thousands of dollars iirc
[7:45] <beaky> I guess arm gcc is free though
[7:45] <netman87> if you dont use arduino you can still use same boards. you get ISP and pins available and even FTDI or atmega16u2 (with also ISP pins)
[7:46] <netman87> i have been playing around with atmega, msp430g2553 and stellaris (cant remember chip name)
[7:46] <ricksl> I need a new soldering iron, a station preferably, anyone know a good one for price/features
[7:47] <stoned> ricksl, http://www.amazon.com/Aoyue-936-AOYUE-Soldering-Station/dp/B000VINMRO
[7:47] <ricksl> I hear hakko is good
[7:48] <stoned> http://www.amazon.com/Aoyue-937-Digital-Soldering-Station/dp/B000I30QBW here is the one I have
[7:48] <stoned> I use it a lot. A lot.
[7:48] <stoned> been 2 years, still running excellnet
[7:48] <ricksl> does it have changeable tips?
[7:48] <netman87> stoned, if i buy one i would be happy or not?
[7:49] <stoned> I don't kwo.
[7:49] <stoned> I can only tell you about msyelf
[7:49] <stoned> I'm very happy.
[7:49] <netman87> you can change tips?
[7:49] <ricksl> yeah a lot of irons let you change tips
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[7:50] <stoned> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004M3U0VU/ref=cm_cr_asin_lnk
[7:50] <stoned> ye
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[7:52] <ricksl> looks like hakko and aoyue tips are similar http://www.amazon.com/Aoyue-Hakko-Conical-Soldering-Pcs/dp/B007YU2EQ2/ref=pd_sim_indust_4
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[7:56] <yggdrasil> anyone here good with C
[7:56] <stoned> try #c
[7:56] <stoned> or ##c
[7:56] <stoned> whatever
[7:56] <yggdrasil> right
[7:56] <yggdrasil> well im doing some gpio stuff
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[9:31] <steve_rox> hmm its too quiet
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[9:33] <Zakami> shh
[9:33] <wrea> hunting wabbit
[9:33] <Zakami> Wow I was literally typing that.
[9:33] * Bushmills hacks steve_rox's speakers and puts on some noisy knorkator-like sound
[9:33] <Zakami> Stop reading my mind.
[9:34] <wrea> I'll try
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[9:40] <beaky> hello
[9:40] <beaky> probably a silly question, but...
[9:40] <beaky> how do you properly power off a raspberry pi?
[9:41] <AlmtyBob> shutdown -h now
[9:41] <Bushmills> execute halt or shutdown -h now
[9:41] <AlmtyBob> wait for it to go black, then a wait a couple more seconds just because, then yank the cable
[9:41] <beaky> i use that, but my pi boots up right after
[9:41] <beaky> and im worried yanking the power line at the wrong moment will corrupt the flash card
[9:41] <Bushmills> sure you're not doing shutdown -r now?
[9:42] <beaky> yea
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[9:43] <Bushmills> well, leave it on :)
[9:43] <beaky> :D
[9:44] <linuxstb> beaky: If "shutdown -h" reboots your Pi, then something seems broken with your OS.
[9:44] <beaky> ah
[9:45] <beaky> well iit shuts down, but a few seconds later it comes back to life
[9:45] <beaky> while rebooting makes it come alive much faster
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[9:52] <beaky> a pi is so versatile
[9:52] <steve_rox> untill ya drop it
[9:52] <beaky> hehe
[9:52] <beaky> has anyone ever dropped theirs?
[9:52] <ParkerR> steve_rox, ... even then it doesnt have many mechanical parts
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[9:53] <beaky> mines capacitor came out
[9:53] <ParkerR> O.o
[9:53] <steve_rox> the sd card reader smashed on mine
[9:53] <beaky> the big SMD electrolytic one beside the micro-usb power jack
[9:53] <beaky> ah that is worse
[9:54] <Zakami> I feel like I'm going to break the thing every time I put an SD card in it.
[9:54] <ParkerR> !. Push in SD card
[9:54] <ParkerR> 2. Done
[9:54] <ParkerR> *1.
[9:54] <Zakami> It feels so fragile.
[9:54] <beaky> it feels cheaply made ^^
[9:55] <Zakami> It is only $35
[9:55] <beaky> yes it is the cheapest computer i've ever bought
[9:55] <Bushmills> beaky: uses that one do push your thumb against when pulling USB cable?
[9:56] <beaky> yes thats how it came off :(
[9:56] <Bushmills> common problem :)
[9:56] <beaky> i will try to put it back
[9:57] * linuxstb suggests a case
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[9:58] <ParkerR> I always hold the sides
[9:58] <beaky> yeah sideholding is the right way to handle it i huess
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[9:58] <beaky> guess*
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[10:00] <beaky> how did the raspberry pi become so popular
[10:00] <Bushmills> grabbing plug between thumb and index, horizontally, then pinch, using the finger joints as a lever, is my favorite
[10:00] <beaky> compared to alternatives like...
[10:00] <Bushmills> one-handed removal possible.
[10:00] <AlmtyBob> because it's a $35 computer?
[10:01] <beaky> what are alternatives to the pi? arduino?
[10:01] <Bushmills> i like cubieboard and hackberry
[10:01] <AlmtyBob> pi & arduino are apples & oranges
[10:01] <ParkerR> Or odroid
[10:01] <beaky> ah
[10:01] <AlmtyBob> or, if used together, peanut butter & jelly
[10:02] <Bushmills> for 49$, the cubieboard is only marginally more expensive, but more powerful cpu, on board flash, twice the RAM and a S-ATA interface
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[10:03] <steve_rox> not sure how i got interested , thought it would be interesting to mess about with
[10:03] <beaky> wow the cubieboards powerful
[10:03] <Bushmills> and none of that closed broadcom crap
[10:03] <steve_rox> not all about power tho
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[10:03] <beaky> pi uses broadcom?
[10:04] <steve_rox> its main cpu chip yea
[10:04] <beaky> is that bad
[10:04] <steve_rox> not for me
[10:04] <steve_rox> is for ppl that like to moan :-P
[10:04] <Bushmills> depends. if you like paying for extra AV codecs
[10:05] <FR^2> :( My raspi is not very reliable. Have to track that down.
[10:05] <FR^2> Maybe the power supply isn't reliable and that's the issue.
[10:05] <linuxstb> Some people don't like the closed-source nature of Broadcom's chip, and the closed-source firmware is definitely not bug-free...
[10:05] <Bushmills> that's a distinct possibility
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[10:11] <beaky> the pi seems to have some I/O pins like arduino does
[10:12] <beaky> I want to blink LEDs :D how do I do that on the pi
[10:12] <shiftplusone> beaky, https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/gpio-examples/tux-crossing/gpio-examples-1-a-single-led/
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[10:13] <JakeSays> beaky: you open and close your eyes rapidly
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[10:13] <x29a> chr chr chr
[10:13] <FR^2> shiftplusone: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=raspberry+pi+gpio+Led *eg*
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[10:14] <beaky> hdh
[10:14] <FR^2> hdh have done harm?
[10:15] <shiftplusone> or ham?
[10:15] <JakeSays> hmm. 4TB SSD for $28,559
[10:15] <JakeSays> i'll take two.
[10:15] <shiftplusone> D=
[10:16] <shiftplusone> Knowing my luck with SSDs, that will last a week
[10:16] <JakeSays> lol yeah
[10:16] * ParkerR is happy with his 1tb HDD that was $60
[10:17] <JakeSays> i have a 128gb ssd in my office machine. i wasn't blown overy by performance
[10:18] <FR^2> I would like to have an ssd here at work. Ram fast, cpu fast, graphics card fast, but hdd slow, which is irritating when doing software development ;)
[10:18] <JakeSays> FR^2: i'd rather have 4 15k hdds
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[10:25] <beaky> wow
[10:25] <beaky> so the pi is a hybrid of an arduino and an windows pc
[10:25] <JakeSays> um, not quite
[10:26] <AlmtyBob> wait, what?
[10:26] <FR^2> erm. No, definitely not. "windows pc", what an insult!
[10:26] <linuxstb> beaky: In what way?
[10:26] <AlmtyBob> oh wait, I think I'm just drunk enough to understand what he meant
[10:26] <beaky> it has GPIO pins
[10:26] <beaky> its smaller than an iPhone
[10:26] <FR^2> Yes, complete PC with installable OS and electronics project at the same time.
[10:26] <AlmtyBob> ok lost you
[10:26] <beaky> right
[10:27] <beaky> the pi is amazing
[10:27] <JakeSays> it is amazing, but its not anywhere near a pc
[10:27] <histo> beaky: it has nothing to do with Windows though.
[10:27] <linuxstb> beaky: So "it has GPIO pins" = arduino, and "its smaller than an iPhone" = windows PC?
[10:27] <JakeSays> for one its I/O capabilities are seriously lacking
[10:27] <beaky> oh by the PC part I meant it can support a full linux distro :D
[10:27] <FR^2> JakeSays: Why not? hdmi, usb, ethernet, ram, cpu, "harddisk" *g*
[10:28] <FR^2> oh come one, stop quibbling.
[10:28] <beaky> maybe the GPIO is small compared to the other single board computers
[10:28] <beaky> but it is plenty :D
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[10:28] <shiftplusone> beaky, and you can always use gpio expander chips for most applications, if necessary.
[10:29] <JakeSays> and the ARM cpu can't hold a candle to the I7 i'm driving on my desktop
[10:29] <JakeSays> shiftplusone: or just more PI's :D
[10:29] <shiftplusone> that too
[10:29] <JakeSays> or a teensy. those things are pretty cool.
[10:30] <beaky> maybe a pi is better than using a naked arm for electronics projects
[10:30] <JakeSays> depends on whose arm it is.
[10:30] <shiftplusone> beaky, in some cases, sure. I prefer the STM32 F4 Discovery for low level things though.
[10:30] <JakeSays> i know some women with really nice naked arms :p
[10:32] <beaky> I wonder though; when would an arduino not be enough for an electronics project, and a pi be more attractive?
[10:32] <JakeSays> beaky: well, when you want linux, for one
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[10:32] <JakeSays> normal development tools, etc
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[10:33] <beaky> so anything that screams "you need an operating system!" would probably be served better by a pi than an avr
[10:33] <JakeSays> or "you want an o/s"
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[10:36] <JakeSays> i'm upgrading the memory in my machine at work to 64gb. i'm surprised at how hard 16gb sticks are to find.
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[10:36] <beaky> moore's law works wonders
[10:37] <beaky> I remember a decade ago when a 1MB stick would cost more than the pi
[10:37] <beaky> (or was it 100MB?)
[10:37] <histo> beaky: plus network connectivity etc...
[10:37] <ParkerR> JakeSays, You make me cry
[10:38] <JakeSays> ParkerR: why is that?
[10:39] <ParkerR> JakeSays, "64GB of RAM" /me cries in the corner with his measly 4 in a 4 years old laptop
[10:39] <JakeSays> lol oh
[10:39] <ParkerR> *year
[10:40] <Bushmills> beaky: can you imagine an arduino streaming a movie over the net?
[10:40] <beaky> maybe the higher-end ones
[10:40] <Bushmills> well, a lower res movie, that is :)
[10:40] <beaky> but a pi would be awesome as a torrent box
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[10:41] <ParkerR> Bushmills, Well the arduiino does have TV out
[10:41] <ParkerR> *arduino
[10:41] <beaky> it does? I thought only the parallax propeller did
[10:41] <ParkerR> https://code.google.com/p/arduino-tvout/
[10:41] <Bushmills> maybe, but then there's tcp stack, video codecs, not just a matter of apt-get install
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[10:42] <netman87> i want fully analog h264 encoder
[10:42] <netman87> would be fun to have one
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[10:43] <netman87> wonder how big one could be
[10:44] <netman87> my friend had picture of RPi system on 48GB of ram
[10:46] <netman87> dunno if that picture is actually his or if he had just found it.
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[10:52] <beaky> on raspbian, how do I get the ethernet internet to work?
[10:52] <ParkerR> beaky, Should just work out of the box
[10:52] <beaky> it doesn't automagically work once you boot in the first time (unlike arch) :D
[10:52] <beaky> ah
[10:52] <beaky> maybe I installed it wrong
[10:52] <ParkerR> sudo ifconfig eth0 up
[10:52] <ParkerR> sudo dhclient eth0
[10:53] <Bushmills> beaky: hook ethernet up to a network with a dhcp server running
[10:54] <beaky> ah
[10:54] <beaky> I like raspbian
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[10:54] <Bushmills> if there's none, mount root partition in another computer, and edit /etc/network/interfaces for a static config
[10:58] <gordonDrogon> morning.
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[11:02] <JakeSays> gordonDrogon: likewise
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[11:04] <beaky> helolo
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[11:04] <beaky> hello*
[11:07] <beaky> is there a more barebones way to program the pi besides using wiring?
[11:07] <shiftplusone> 'course
[11:07] <histo> beaky: what do you mean by barebones?
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[11:08] <mgottschlag> you could mmap the register regions for MMIO and do it manually, you could leave out the OS, you could leave out the complete ARM core and stay on the GPU :)
[11:09] <beaky> ah
[11:09] <beaky> interestng how the ARM core is slave to the GPU
[11:09] <shiftplusone> don't forget butterflies.
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[11:14] <surfn> hi,
[11:15] <surfn> I'm making a raspberrypi automated outdoor light system and I have hit a funny hiccup.
[11:15] <shiftplusone> hi
[11:15] <surfn> Can you tell me what these are called: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Path-Lighting-Wire-Connectors-2-Pack-Malibu-8150-9802-02-Garden-Light-Landscape-/200937379480?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2ec8cd1698
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[11:15] <surfn> sup shiftplusone
[11:16] <surfn> I don't know the generic name for this type of connector - and that auction doesn't ship to NZ
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[11:16] * shiftplusone shrugs
[11:16] * surfn same
[11:17] <Bushmills> beaky: enter opcodes in hex, don't use an assembler
[11:18] <Bushmills> never mind hex input. toggles and load button would be more barebone
[11:18] <shiftplusone> heh
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[11:18] <histo> shiftplusone: can you shortten the url?
[11:19] <histo> shiftplusone: or paste imag eto imagebin
[11:19] <bacobart> http://www.amazon.com/Malibu-8150-9802-02-Wire-Connectors-Pack/dp/B0030BES2M here it is on amazon
[11:19] <bacobart> do they shit to nz?;p
[11:19] <bacobart> ship
[11:19] <bacobart> that was a weird typo
[11:19] <shiftplusone> histo, this work? http://www.ebay.com/itm/200937379480
[11:20] <histo> shiftplusone: yeah one sec
[11:21] <histo> shiftplusone: http://www.homedepot.com/p/Malibu-Low-Voltage-Wire-Connectors-2-Pack-8150-9802-02/202025798#.Ucqyezs3t8E
[11:21] <histo> shiftplusone: amazon has them as well
[11:21] <shiftplusone> histo, I wasn't the one asking >_<
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[11:21] <histo> oh sorr
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[11:21] <histo> surfn: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
[11:22] <histo> surfn: reverse google image search of the picture from ebay worked rather well.
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[11:23] <shiftplusone> surfn, the name of the connectors seems to be Malibu Fast Lock, but I am not sure.
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[11:27] <beaky> heh
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[11:30] <[Saint]> [20:27:18] <JakeSays> it is amazing, but its not anywhere near a pc
[11:30] <[Saint]> JakeSays: ....what about it isn't, exactly?
[11:31] <[Saint]> Its personal, its a computer.
[11:31] <[Saint]> what's missing?
[11:31] <[Saint]> Or, are you defining PC to mean "desktop computer" a common mistake people often make?
[11:32] <linuxstb> I don't think there's a clear definition of "PC" any more. Microsoft use it to mean "something running Windows"...
[11:32] <linuxstb> (and lots of people use Microsoft's definition)
[11:32] <JakeSays> [Saint]: i'm not in the mood to argue semantics with you - PC is generally considered to be a desktop computer.
[11:33] <surfn> hey, was afk for a sec, but thanks for all your help
[11:33] <[Saint]> It means Personal Computer.
[11:33] <[Saint]> ...that's pretty clear.
[11:33] <[Saint]> If you take a word and shape it to mean something else, don't expect the rest of the world to agree on the meaning.
[11:33] <linuxstb> Yes, but a PDA for example is a personal computer, but no-one calls those PCs…
[11:34] <JakeSays> [Saint]: well, i was basing my meaning off of what is considered to be the common meaning.. but i certainly dont expect YOU to agree on pretty much anything.
[11:34] <[Saint]> That involves an assumption on what the common meaning is.
[11:34] <beaky> yeah the word PC is loaded
[11:34] <[Saint]> Its not common to me.
[11:35] <beaky> by PC I meant a traditional linux desktop :D
[11:35] <beaky> which the pi can be used as, I think
[11:36] <[Saint]> If you have a lot of time on your hands, I guess.
[11:36] <histo> Now now children
[11:36] <beaky> hehe
[11:36] <JakeSays> beaky: well, since you're using vague and subjective terms like "traditional" and "desktop" i would have to disagree - try sticking a "traditional desktop" pci card in a pi.
[11:36] <[Saint]> I wouldn;t attempt to use one as a replacement for a desktop/laptop/etc unless it was purely for fun.
[11:37] <[Saint]> JakeSays: vague and subjective, like...PC? :)
[11:37] <beaky> right the pi isn't really a traditional desktop at all
[11:37] <beaky> it's a novelty!
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[11:37] <JakeSays> [Saint]: HE used pc, not i.
[11:37] <beaky> yeah my bad
[11:37] <JakeSays> beaky: its also far from a novelty.
[11:38] <Bushmills> well, IBM called their desktop computers PC only after the term "PC" was in regular use before the IBM PCs were introduced
[11:38] <[Saint]> Its an educational device the masses jumped on because they think its the cool thing to have.
[11:38] <JakeSays> [Saint]: it is the cool thing to have :p
[11:38] <beaky> the pi is an awesome embedded server
[11:38] <[Saint]> IFF you know what to do with it ;)
[11:39] <JakeSays> [Saint]: i stuck mine in a mousetrap - a totally useless thing to do, but very cool
[11:39] <beaky> I use mine to browse reddit
[11:39] <beaky> and talk to you guys on IRC
[11:40] <[Saint]> JakeSays: why, so you can torture...errr...I mean "study" anything you trap therein? :)
[11:40] <[Saint]> play it mp3s, and watch it on a cam. :)
[11:41] <Zakami> I made mine a motion sensitive camera.
[11:41] <[Saint]> Lift the door up slightly "Ohhh...you want out..here ya g...nup! Ok, no...seriously, this tim...nup!"
[11:41] <[Saint]> "Humane" trapping.
[11:41] <[Saint]> :)
[11:41] <JakeSays> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/410932/mice3.jpg
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[11:43] <[Saint]> Are they wild mice, since domesticated?
[11:44] <JakeSays> wild yes, but i only kept them for a few days
[11:44] <[Saint]> Aha.
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[11:44] * [Saint] supports the "I appreciate your right to live, as long as it isn't in my house" movement.
[11:45] <JakeSays> i figure if they're going to break in to my house and eat my food, the least they can do is entertain me for a bit before i set them free
[11:45] <[Saint]> A fair price.
[11:45] <surfn> I made this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cci18pMwSTQ
[11:45] <surfn> still working on getting the lights sorted tho...
[11:45] <surfn> Thanks for your help again.
[11:45] <surfn> ttfn
[11:46] <Spiffy> Is that on your floor? What is wrong with your table?
[11:46] <[Saint]> what's wrong with the floor?
[11:46] <surfn> Spiffy: it started life close to the TV...
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[11:47] <Spiffy> ah
[11:47] <surfn> its now on a desk. soon on a work bench. then on a sheet of plywood, before it joins a wall
[11:47] <JakeSays> surfn: what are you using for the relay board?
[11:48] <surfn> JakeSays: don't follow your question
[11:48] * [Saint] guesses "a relay board" isn't an appropriate answer.
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[11:48] <[Saint]> its *the* answer, but, likely not the one you're looking for.
[11:48] <JakeSays> surfn: the board with the relays on it == relay board.
[11:48] <[Saint]> Yes.
[11:48] <surfn> JakeSays: yes, I'm using a relay board
[11:49] <surfn> with relays on it
[11:49] <JakeSays> surfn: and which board might that be?
[11:49] <[Saint]> Today we learn: Asking the right questions.
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[11:49] <[Saint]> ;)
[11:49] <surfn> this is my earlier vid (with links to the board) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dI3xpoyVWAo
[11:50] <surfn> JakeSays: what I'm saying is there's a link to the ebay auction there
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[11:52] <JakeSays> yeah i didnt think my question was all that difficult -"what are you using for a relay board? " answer - "some board i found on ebay"
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[11:55] <surfn> ;)
[11:55] <surfn> thanks for the likes btw - cool whoever that was
[11:57] <[Saint]> JakeSays: you may well be aware of this yourself, but, some people don't "think" in English.
[11:57] <[Saint]> I have problems with this myself sometimes.
[11:57] * JakeSays thinks in C#
[11:57] <[Saint]> I think in assembly, less cycles. ;)
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[12:18] <beaky> anyone here use riscos
[12:18] <beaky> is it any good?
[12:18] <shiftplusone> beaky, the people who use it think it is.
[12:18] <beaky> heh
[12:19] <shiftplusone> (in reality, it's not)
[12:19] <beaky> it runs pretty fast
[12:19] <shiftplusone> It has that going for it
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[12:31] <gordonDrogon> it's running 'fast' because it's not actually doing anything.
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[12:32] <gordonDrogon> the window manager is far simpler than X windows, so smaller programs do tend to run faster.
[12:33] <gordonDrogon> it was brilliant and innovative 23 years ago, but today...
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[12:33] <gordonDrogon> today is has a small number of fiercely loyal followers, so you will get a lot of support if you want to try it.
[12:33] <beaky> ah
[12:34] <beaky> wow it consumes les memory than a freshly-installed archlinux
[12:34] <[Saint]> see above
[12:34] <[Saint]> It doesn't take any RAM to do....nothing.
[12:34] <gordonDrogon> sure - much less memory. Now try to browse the internet...
[12:34] <[Saint]> :)
[12:34] <[Saint]> beat me to it.
[12:34] <beaky> netsurf
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[12:36] <[Saint]> run <program> on RiscOS, note RAM usage. Run <program> on Arch, note RAM usage. Compare.
[12:37] <beaky> ah
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[12:37] <[Saint]> The fact that a system is still around, still maintained, and still has loyal fans, in unfortunately no indication of it actually being any good ;)
[12:38] <[Saint]> People quite often (especially in the FOSS world) refuse to let things that should die, die.
[12:38] <[Saint]> :)
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[12:39] <beaky> isn't RISC OS owned by a proprietary british company?
[12:40] <zproc> anyone uses Owncloud on a Pi? i finally get mine working but it's painfully slow to sync a 200mb folder from my macbook with the owncloud client
[12:40] <bacobart> did you enabled apc in php?
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[12:40] <zproc> is it a question for me?
[12:40] <bacobart> yeah
[12:40] <zproc> i don't remember…
[12:40] <bacobart> apc makes php apps run faster because it caches instructions
[12:41] <flibble> beaky: it's kindof open source
[12:41] <bacobart> other than that idk what else to try to speed it up
[12:41] <bacobart> could be network congestion or something
[12:41] <zproc> bacobart: it's a setting in php.ini?
[12:41] <bacobart> its a module you need to enable
[12:41] <bacobart> in php.ini yeah
[12:41] <zproc> okay thanks i'm gonna check that
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[12:42] <[Saint]> beaky: Acorn Computers, yes.
[12:42] <[Saint]> though I'm not sure you wanted "proprietary company" though.
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[12:43] <flibble> technically risc os is rather basic
[12:43] <flibble> (as an OS)
[12:43] <[Saint]> That's the intention.
[12:44] <flibble> well it means things can go quick, but you also have the problem that a two line basic program can take out your system if you get the syntax slightly wrong (been there done that)
[12:44] <FR^2> I could probably (with a lot of effort) rewrite C64 Basic for raspi, it would also run amazingly fast ;)
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[12:46] <gordonDrogon> FR^2, nah, start from scratch like I did :)
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[12:48] <beaky> what SD card should I use
[12:49] <ozzzy> I bought 16G Sandisk cards at Costco
[12:49] <beaky> I use an 8G sandisk card but
[12:49] <beaky> it kept being ruined
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[12:50] <zproc> a lot of people report slow sync with the owncloud client (not web or other) even not on a raspberry pi..
[12:50] <zproc> it seems
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[12:51] <flibble> beaky: I've just used a 2GB and 4GB card I had lying around and it seemed ok
[12:51] <beaky> ah
[12:51] <flibble> I think compatability might be a bit random :)
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[12:52] <ShorTie> i got some 8g cards with a usb reader for like 8 bucks from newegg
[12:53] <FR^2> beaky: Had three sandisk cards, all three are junk
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[13:04] <zproc> re owncloud: i could upload 225mb via web in a few seconds and it took hours with the client to sync 200mb and it's not finished :/
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[13:06] <FR^2> zproc: Several aspects: raspi's ethernet is connected via usb hub. If you're storing data on the sdcard, it's also painfully slow. But even with an external hdd (also connected via usb), hdd and ethernet will "share" the raspi's internal usb hub
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[13:07] <zproc> i'm storing them on a usb hdd
[13:07] <zproc> yeah but why the difference between the web upload and the client sync?
[13:08] <zproc> it's the same when it comes to the ethernet/usb bus
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[13:08] <FR^2> sync means "list what I have, list what the other has, make a diff and (re)transmit the data"
[13:09] <zproc> i meant when it comes to the upload rate..
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[13:13] <FR^2> zproc: My crystal ball is currently broken ;)
[13:14] <zproc> ok ok :)
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[13:35] <zproc> so, about Owncloud, there is this endless github issue about client sync being extremely slow with several little files :( https://github.com/owncloud/mirall/issues/331
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[14:07] <SirSkidmore> I'm following the Baking Pi tutorial, and I'm trying to replace the raspbian's kernel.img with my own, only there's no kernel.img in /boot like it says there should be
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[14:08] <SirSkidmore> any idea where it is?
[14:08] <linuxstb> SirSkidmore: What do you see in /boot ? Is that the SD card's FAT32 partition?
[14:08] <xenoxaos> is the first partition mounted to /boot?
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[14:08] <SirSkidmore> ohhhhh. I need to mount boot? :P
[14:09] <SirSkidmore> I'm running the img file with qemy atm
[14:09] <SirSkidmore> qemu**
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[14:15] <SirSkidmore> sweet, figured it out
[14:15] <SirSkidmore> thanks
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[14:23] <histo> lol
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[14:41] <Firehopper> so, has anyone have a opinion on the udoo?
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[15:17] <knob> Good morning everyone!
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[15:23] <frontendloader> anyone have experience with the usb to serial cable for a pi on OSX? Mine is giving me a resource busy error when I try to listen in on it
[15:24] <histo> frontendloader: have you set the proper baud rate etc...
[15:25] <frontendloader> yes, 115200
[15:25] <frontendloader> something has a lock on it
[15:25] <frontendloader> but I can't figure out what it is
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[15:26] <IT_Sean> do you have another program accessing the serial port?
[15:26] <IT_Sean> you can only have one program at a time accessing it.
[15:26] <frontendloader> gizmonic-institute% lsof | grep 2303
[15:26] <frontendloader> screen 12611 gizmonic 5u CHR 33,16 0t25660 1165 /dev/tty.PL2303-00002014
[15:26] <frontendloader> found it, somehow there was an open screen session somewhere
[15:26] <IT_Sean> There you go.
[15:27] <frontendloader> I only had two terminals open and it wasn't in any of them :/
[15:28] <zproc> i'm trying to set up Seafile ( https://github.com/haiwen/seafile/wiki/Download-and-setup-seafile-server http://seafile.com/en/home/ ) and i'm stuck on an error, in the log i have "ccnet_net_bind_v4: Bind error: Cannot assign requested address" any idea?
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[15:28] <frontendloader> thanks for letting me bounce stuff off you
[15:29] * IT_Sean nods
[15:31] <Tachyon`> er, anyone know why when I install a new wm in debian and attempt to use it (generally by changing the default via update-alternatives --config x-window-manager) it still gives me the old one?
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[15:35] <Firehopper> so anyone have any opinion on the udoo?
[15:35] <Tachyon`> yeah, it's likely to be 3-12 times faster than the pi
[15:35] <Tachyon`> depending what you're doing
[15:35] <Tachyon`> additionally it has SATA
[15:35] <Tachyon`> very nice
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[15:36] <Tachyon`> not to mention a built in arduino for interfacing
[15:36] <IT_Sean> It has, howver, got a very silly name.
[15:36] <Tachyon`> in real time
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[15:36] <histo> Tachyon`: are you using a login manager?
[15:36] <Tachyon`> you realise you're in a channel called #raspberrypi right?
[15:36] <Tachyon`> histo, nope, just the usual startx
[15:36] <histo> Tachyon`: what's in your .xinitrc ?
[15:36] <Tachyon`> not a thing
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[15:37] <Firehopper> Tachyon`, yes I do know, but I figured that people might have a opinion of it here
[15:37] <Firehopper> theres no udoo chan yet, I made one, but no one goes there yet
[15:38] <Tachyon`> Firehopper, that was to IT_Sean, not you -.o
[15:38] <Firehopper> I did pre order one, I missed the kickstarter :)
[15:38] <histo> Tachyon`: you can add your new DE to the ~/.xinitrc if not it will look at the xinitrc in the xinit library directory
[15:38] <Firehopper> lol Tachyon`
[15:38] <Tachyon`> he was commenting on the name when we're using something named after a fruit
[15:38] <Tachyon`> aye, trying that right now, it seems stuck on a black screen with a mouse cursor
[15:38] <Firehopper> Tachyon`, it is a kinda silly name though :)
[15:38] <histo> Tachyon`: what did you put on there?
[15:39] <Tachyon`> the filename of the wm, this isn't my first picnic, it should work, it just isn't, lol
[15:39] <histo> s/on/in/
[15:39] <Firehopper> I do have a rpi setup I made :) I call it a pi plate :) since I mounted everthing on a bit of plywood :)
[15:39] <histo> Tachyon`: which wm are you trying to start?
[15:39] <Firehopper> which is an even more silly name :)
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[15:39] <Tachyon`> xfwm4
[15:39] * IT_Sean looks up
[15:39] <IT_Sean> ?
[15:39] <Tachyon`> also tried twm with similar results
[15:39] <Tachyon`> so I don't think it's the wm
[15:40] <Firehopper> can you start that wm manually somehow?
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[15:40] <Firehopper> to see if it works? or maybe read the x log.
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[15:40] <Tachyon`> yes, I can run xinit and start it from the xterm
[15:40] <histo> Tachyon`: Are you trying to use xfce?
[15:40] <Tachyon`> indeed
[15:41] <histo> Tachyon`: exec startxfce4
[15:41] <Tachyon`> aha
[15:42] <Tachyon`> working, thankyou!
[15:42] <histo> Tachyon`: xfwm4 is just the window manager for xfce
[15:42] <Tachyon`> didn't realise it had a separate binary to start it -.-
[15:42] <Tachyon`> stilll doesn't explain why update-alternatives didn't work mind
[15:42] <histo> Tachyon`: No idea what you were chaing with update-alternatives ?? the window manager?
[15:42] <Tachyon`> x-window-manager, aye
[15:42] <histo> Tachyon`: xfce is a DE not a WM
[15:43] * Tachyon` blinks
[15:43] <histo> Tachyon`: xfwm4 is the WM for the xfce DE
[15:43] <histo> Tachyon`: you could run xfce with a different WM like openbox, awesome, i3 etc....
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[15:44] <histo> Tachyon`: Or I guess technically you could just run the WM without the whole DE if you really wanted to.
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[15:44] <Tachyon`> oh right, I've not done anythign manually with X in a while, wasn't aware of the distinction
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[15:45] <histo> de=desktop environment and wm=window manager
[15:46] <flibble> it's a rather arbitrary line :) DE = WM + otherbits bolted on to be a bit more consistent
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[18:33] <stoned> Tachyon` burst.
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[18:35] <gordonDrogon> Hm. quiet afternoon. too quiet. beep. out of tea error.
[18:36] <stoned> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008XVAVAW/
[18:36] <stoned> I think I might buy this
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[18:42] * IT_Sean looks at gordonDrogon, then quietly reaches over and presses the Out of Tea Alarm Reset Button
[18:43] <Davespice> beep. out of tea also...
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[18:46] <stoned> Hey
[18:46] <stoned> Guess what, I can drink tea again.
[18:47] <pronto> playing around with networkx(python) so heres who highlighted who in the last 1000 lines http://pronto185.com/networkx/raspberrypi.png
[18:47] * IT_Sean looks at Davespice, then quietly reaches over and presses the Out of Tea Alarm Reset Button. ...again.
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[18:47] <stoned> I haven't had tea in over 18 years b/c I could no longer use dairy products. When I drink/eat anything milk based, it goes right through me and I feel bloated etc.
[18:47] <IT_Sean> that's disgusting, stoned.
[18:47] <stoned> Now I can drink tea again. How? Almond Milk.
[18:47] <stoned> That's not disgusting. That's lactose intolerance.
[18:48] <pronto> wait , what does tea have to do with milk? O.o
[18:48] <stoned> It's perfectly natural. Unless IT people named Sean don't poop.
[18:48] <stoned> pronto, you drink tea w/o milk/creamer?
[18:48] <stoned> That's nasty.
[18:48] <chithead> you can buy lactose free milk
[18:48] <IT_Sean> Almond milk? Sorry, but that is some 2nd tier jedi nonsense. Almonds don't have nipples. That's not almond milk, that's almond juice.
[18:48] <stoned> That, sir, is disgusting
[18:48] <pronto> never even heard of putting milk in tea :|
[18:48] <stoned> chithead, yeah, almond milk.
[18:48] <pronto> then agian i only drink yerba mate, or green tea
[18:48] <IT_Sean> pronto: you don't milk your tea?
[18:48] <stoned> pronto, you must be American.
[18:48] <pronto> stoned: i am
[18:48] <pronto> IT_Sean: never even knew anyone did
[18:49] <stoned> That much was transparently obvious.
[18:49] <IT_Sean> Just get out.
[18:49] <stoned> :)
[18:49] <IT_Sean> Go.
[18:49] <IT_Sean> :p
[18:49] <pronto> lol
[18:49] * IT_Sean shoos pronto towards the door with a mop
[18:49] <stoned> [11:47:27] <IT_Sean> Almond milk? Sorry, but that is some 2nd tier jedi nonsense. Almonds don't have nipples. That's not almond milk, that's almond juice.
[18:49] <pronto> i think milk in yerba mate would be horrible
[18:49] <chithead> almond milk is a milk substitute. I mean cow milk which has had lactose removed
[18:49] <stoned> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Almond_milk
[18:49] <stoned> You're not supposed to drink milk from other animals.
[18:49] <stoned> Can you say Duh?
[18:49] <stoned> LOL.
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[18:50] <stoned> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemp_milk <- also the healthiest milk on the planet
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[18:51] <chithead> animal herders in europe have evolved lactose tolerance during the last ice age. so I'd say at least they are supposed to
[18:51] <stoned> Many nuts produce milk substitute etc. I just got into nutritino stuff.
[18:51] <stoned> Health and all that.
[18:51] <stoned> I'm not a hippy, I eat meat, I love me some steak.
[18:51] <stoned> I make fun of vegans and vegetarians too.
[18:51] <stoned> But milk sucks. :/
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[18:52] <stoned> Hemp seeds contain a three-to-one ratio of omega-6 and omega-3 essential fatty acids and other nutrients include magnesium, phytosterols, ascorbic acid, beta-carotene, calcium, fiber, iron, potassium, phosphorus, riboflavin, niacin and thiamin.
[18:52] <stoned> Anyway, I want to get some hemp seed, like a pound or two, make my own milk and try it out.
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[18:52] <stoned> with tea. I use mostly Lipton red/yellow label :)
[18:53] <stoned> Anyway, enough of this, what do you guys think about that amazon link
[18:53] <stoned> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008XVAVAW/ <- I am wondering if I should get this or get a diff more powerful board
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[18:54] <RaTTuS|BIG> stoned get it from rs or element14 and not amazon - dont get gimped by price
[18:54] <stoned> List Price: $99.95
[18:54] <stoned> rs?
[18:54] <stoned> what is element 14?
[18:54] <stoned> oh wait i got high and forgot
[18:55] <RaTTuS|BIG> where do you live
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[18:55] <stoned> I was going to wait, per someone's recoomendation
[18:55] <stoned> last night, I .. ok. I remember
[18:55] <stoned> Colorado
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[18:55] <stoned> Near Springs/Denver
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[18:56] <chithead> the price appears mostly ok, if you want a preloaded sd card with it
[18:56] <stoned> I don't
[18:56] <stoned> I have a 32gb card
[18:56] <stoned> I can't find it though. I used to use it with my wii
[18:56] <ShorTie> then it would be newark.com stoned
[18:56] <chithead> in that case you can probably get it for less
[18:57] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://www.newark.com/jsp/bespoke/bespoke7.jsp?bespokepage=newark/en_US/landing/raspberry-pi/rasp-pi-accessories.jsp&ICID=HP-Raspberrypi-Accessories
[18:57] * Firehopper yawns and has a udoo as a background image :)
[18:57] <Firehopper> I cant wait for mine!
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[18:57] <stoned> oh word
[18:57] <stoned> thanks man
[18:58] <Firehopper> the udoo is going to possibly be more of a power hog than a rpi though
[18:58] <stoned> I'll paint a flower on mine.
[18:58] <IT_Sean> udoo. I still say that is a silly name.
[18:59] <stoned> would it be ok to ask about boards that are faster or more resourceful than rpi?
[18:59] <IT_Sean> It is.
[18:59] <Firehopper> IT_Sean, I agree :)
[18:59] <stoned> awesome
[18:59] <stoned> thanks
[18:59] <IT_Sean> But, it is also okay for us to mock you relentlessly for it
[18:59] <stoned> I'm wonder if for my needs I can use this
[18:59] <stoned> or if it will not be enough
[18:59] <IT_Sean> keep in mind, you are in #raspberrypi
[18:59] * Firehopper has a rpi, but did pre order a udoo quad
[19:00] <IT_Sean> Despite it's silly name... it does look pretty neat.
[19:00] <Firehopper> and from what I've read, just the cpu on the udoo could use upwards of 3 amps ish
[19:00] <Firehopper> that does not include anything else..
[19:00] <stoned> I wish to do a portable media box, portable web browser desktop thingy, nothing too huge, just net access on any tv if they have wifi around also, portable console retro gaming emulation, now i look and see a camera thingy would not be bad, some way to do like a skype voip thingy on it? so far that's all I thought of
[19:01] <IT_Sean> You can do all of that with a raspi. Not all at once, perhaps... but, still...
[19:01] <stoned> oh and like a mic thingy
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[19:01] <stoned> what do you mean? it's not powerful enough?
[19:01] <Firehopper> lets see, pmb check, pwb check, wifi check, camera check, retro gaming, check
[19:01] <stoned> i see it can run xbmc and hd video
[19:01] <Firehopper> voip, no idea
[19:01] <stoned> if it runs linux
[19:01] <Firehopper> the pi can do all of that :)
[19:01] <stoned> im sure it can also run the linux version of skype on debian?
[19:02] <stoned> or maybe not
[19:02] <stoned> cuz they have to provide a arm version
[19:02] <IT_Sean> the udoo is a lot more expensive than the pi. damn.
[19:02] <Firehopper> as long as skype has been compiled for armhf possibly :)
[19:02] <stoned> and i think they only make binary version avail for 386
[19:02] <IT_Sean> I still kind of want one. :p
[19:02] <stoned> udoo?
[19:02] <stoned> if you tell akid that the kid will laugh
[19:02] <stoned> u doo
[19:02] <stoned> doo doo
[19:02] <stoned> :D
[19:02] <Firehopper> IT_Sean, yeah its a bit pricey, but a quad is only $129
[19:02] <Firehopper> and has sata support :)
[19:03] <Firehopper> I have a 60 gig laptop sata drive I can use with it :)
[19:03] <Firehopper> that would be perfect :)
[19:03] <IT_Sean> Does it boot off of internal storage, or an SD card?
[19:03] <Firehopper> no idea as of yet
[19:04] <stoned> yeah, that's another thing. how much internal storage is there here ?
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[19:04] <stoned> booting off usb or sd card takes time
[19:04] <stoned> slow
[19:04] <Firehopper> thats something to ask on the forums and twitter
[19:04] <Firehopper> rpi = no internal storage
[19:04] <IT_Sean> the website isn't providing much tech detail
[19:04] <stoned> Firehopper, why not a 128gb or 256gb ssd in an enclosure?
[19:04] <stoned> over usb
[19:04] <IT_Sean> stoned: Firehopper is correct. There is no internal storage in a raspi.
[19:04] <Firehopper> stoned, I have a 60 gig hd lying around is why..
[19:04] <stoned> Firehopper, word
[19:05] <chithead> because usb (2.0) is slooow
[19:05] <Firehopper> I dont have any ssd's to spare
[19:05] <Firehopper> I dont have any at all actually :)
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[19:05] <Firehopper> usb is still faster than the sd card interface actually though
[19:05] <stoned> what about 2.1
[19:05] <stoned> it doesn't have usb 2.1?
[19:05] <stoned> damn.
[19:05] <stoned> only 12mbps, but not 480mbps?
[19:05] <techkid6> . . . .
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[19:06] <stoned> why?
[19:06] <stoned> isn't usb 2.0 like 12mbps full speed
[19:06] <stoned> and high speed is like 480mbps usb 2.1
[19:06] <stoned> or am I higher than normal?
[19:06] <stoned> actually not high at all, stoned. sorry.
[19:06] <chithead> yes, the sd interface caps at about 20 mb/s
[19:06] <stoned> ok
[19:07] <stoned> so if sd card is 20mbps, and you say usb is still faster, than you must have usb 2.1
[19:07] <stoned> inside rpi
[19:07] <stoned> 480mbps
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[19:09] <chithead> usb 2.0 high speed is 480 mbit/s which translates to about 30 mb/s sustained read/write on the rpi
[19:09] <stoned> yup
[19:09] <stoned> wait, you're confusing me
[19:09] <chithead> sata or usb 3.0 would give you 3-6 gbit/s
[19:09] <stoned> you mean mbps or mb/s (whichis megabytes per sec, or mibi)
[19:09] <Firehopper> usb 1.1 is 12 mps
[19:09] <Firehopper> 1.0 is 1mbs
[19:10] <Firehopper> I think
[19:10] <Firehopper> http://www.udoo.org/forum/download/file.php?id=3 < drool over the udoo rev C board :)
[19:10] <Firehopper> quad :)
[19:11] <Firehopper> btw I did open a udoo chan, I did not register it, cause I'm hoping someone from udoo would start using it :)
[19:11] <Firehopper> but I'm the only one there
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[19:13] <Firehopper> bah you didnt stay sean :P
[19:13] <Tachyon`> 1.0 and 1.1 were both 12mbit
[19:13] <Tachyon`> there was also a 1.5mbit low bandwidth mode
[19:13] <Firehopper> see I didnt know what I was talkin about :>
[19:13] <Tachyon`> the difference between 1.0 and 1.1 is just bugfixes
[19:14] <Tachyon`> it can also only send or receive at one time, not both (unlike serial)
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[19:15] <Firehopper> so its unidirectional not bi-dir :)
[19:15] <IT_Sean> USB?
[19:15] <chithead> time-multiplex bidirectional ;)
[19:15] <IT_Sean> No, USB us bi-directional. Just not full duplex.
[19:16] <IT_Sean> There IS a difference.
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[19:28] <techkid6> Anyone have a Mirror for Baked RPi Mod?
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[19:32] <Bozza> Hey guys
[19:32] <Bozza> Anyone online?
[19:32] <Bozza> I have a quick question regarding voltage to the pi
[19:32] <ShorTie> 5v 1amp
[19:32] <mgottschlag> 3.3v
[19:32] <Bozza> Can I use 6?
[19:33] <mgottschlag> no
[19:33] <Bozza> Or 5.7
[19:33] <SpeedEvil> no
[19:33] <mgottschlag> 4.75 - 5.25
[19:33] <mgottschlag> for everything else you need a regulator
[19:33] <Bozza> So 3.3 is ok?
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[19:33] <mgottschlag> no, that wasn't serious
[19:33] <Bozza> Oh hehe
[19:33] <mgottschlag> just because you didn't specify *which* voltage :)
[19:34] <mgottschlag> (large parts run on 3.3v)
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[19:34] <Bozza> Well I am about to go to a RadioShack like store. Will see if I find my breadboards , connectors etc
[19:34] <Bozza> What would I need to convert 5.7 to 5?
[19:35] <mgottschlag> a diode with 0.6-0.7 voltage drop would be a very simple start
[19:35] <Bozza> Resistors are for capping amps right?
[19:35] <mgottschlag> well, yes, kind of, at least they cannot be used to get a stable voltage drop
[19:35] <Bozza> mgottschlag wow awesome! I am completely new to all of this
[19:35] <IT_Sean> Bozza: We really recommend you get a well regulated 5v supply.
[19:36] <IT_Sean> if you feed too much voltage into your raspi, it will go "poomf"
[19:36] <mgottschlag> proper regulators would be better and would result in stable 5V, but those usually need a larger voltage drop than 0.7V
[19:36] <mgottschlag> why 5.7V anyways?
[19:36] <stoned> I think I'll pre order 2x udoo + starter kit
[19:36] <stoned> 297 total
[19:36] <stoned> that's not bad.
[19:36] <stoned> 1150 per udoo w/ starter kit
[19:36] <stoned> 150
[19:36] <Bozza> IT_Sean: I have this really neat regulator I took out of an old DVD player. mgottschlag
[19:36] <ParkerR> -_- having to explain volts, amps, and watts http://www.reddit.com/r/raspberry_pi/comments/1h40h0/practical_meter_great_product_to_determine_best/
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[19:37] <Bozza> It has pins with
[19:37] <stoned> When is the udoo projected for release?
[19:37] <IT_Sean> Bozza: but it puts out 5.7v?
[19:37] <IT_Sean> 5.7 is too high for the pi
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[19:38] <Bozza> Yes. It has pins for 24,12,5.7,gnd,gnd,3.3 and 2.5
[19:38] <stoned> $309 w/ shipping for 2x UDOO w/ starter kit
[19:38] <Bozza> ParkerR: thanks for the link
[19:38] <mgottschlag> then use 12V and a proper regulator if you can
[19:38] <mgottschlag> switching regulator
[19:38] <IT_Sean> ^ that
[19:38] <mgottschlag> well, although 5.7V and a diode would probably work and would be cheap
[19:38] <mgottschlag> but you need the right diode
[19:39] <Bozza> By diode do you mean LED?
[19:39] * IT_Sean facepalms
[19:39] <mgottschlag> but if you want to reuse that, without buying more parts than necessary, it might be better
[19:39] <mgottschlag> Bozza: no ^^
[19:39] <stoned> http://www.newark.com/jsp/search/productdetail.jsp?sku=65W6016&COM=knode-beagleboneblack-space
[19:39] <stoned> what about this
[19:39] <Bozza> Hehe
[19:39] <mgottschlag> a normal diode
[19:39] <stoned> the beagle bone
[19:39] <Bozza> Ahh ok ok
[19:39] <stoned> $45 and supposed to have ethernet and stuff
[19:39] * IT_Sean steals one of stoned's udoos
[19:40] <mgottschlag> LEDs have voltage drops >1V because that's where the visible spectrum starts
[19:40] <gordonDrogon> 2nd out of tea error remedied.
[19:40] <Bozza> Ok I will buy a couple of diodes. And I will use my dads old amp/volt meter to see if I am getting a good output
[19:40] <stoned> which tea did you buy?
[19:40] <gordonDrogon> you also don't want to be putting 2-300mA through you're average LED either ...
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[19:40] <Bozza> Using a regulator on an existing regulator seems counterintuitive
[19:40] <mgottschlag> Bozza: better read the datasheet of the diodes first
[19:40] <mgottschlag> they always have a current limit
[19:40] <stoned> Sometimes I smell like tea
[19:41] <gordonDrogon> stoned, I have some of the co-op's finest decaf..
[19:41] <stoned> But it's mostly only after I drink tea
[19:41] <IT_Sean> Bozza: except that the regulator you have doesn't supply the correct voltage!
[19:41] <stoned> I hang in ##stoned for offtopci
[19:41] <mgottschlag> and if you just go out and buy some, chances are large that either the forward voltage does not match your needs or it is a diode with <1A
[19:41] <Bozza> IT_Sean: I wouldn't have thought .7v would have made a difference
[19:41] <IT_Sean> it does
[19:41] <Bozza> But good you guys told me before I plugged in the pi
[19:41] <Bozza> :)
[19:41] <IT_Sean> 5.7v is outside the acceptable range
[19:42] <gordonDrogon> please feel free to put 5.7v into your own Pi ..
[19:42] <IT_Sean> ... let us know how that magic smoke smells
[19:42] <Bozza> What does the term overvolt mean?
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[19:42] <gordonDrogon> you can tell which capacitor inside a BBC Micros PSU has blown by the smell...
[19:42] <Bozza> Something similar to overclockingz.
[19:42] <Bozza> ?*
[19:42] <IT_Sean> Bozza: overvolting has to do with the voltage into the SoC. you do NOT put a higher voltage on the power input
[19:42] <ShorTie> and 6v is not enough to regulate v out of
[19:43] <gordonDrogon> Bozza, yes, similar - we're talking votages in hte range 0.01 volts though.
[19:43] <ShorTie> 5v out of
[19:43] <Bozza> IT_Sean: gordonDrogon: roger. Got you
[19:43] <Firehopper> ShorTie, depends on the vreg..
[19:43] <gordonDrogon> roger isn't here.
[19:44] <Firehopper> some low drop out ones can do good.
[19:44] <Bozza> Aright I will get a diode and transistor and see what output that will give me
[19:44] <Bozza> gordonDrogon: :)
[19:44] <IT_Sean> Bozza: the acceptable input range for the raspi power input is 4.75v to 5.25v. Any lower and it may not run properly. Any higher, and it goes BANG.
[19:44] <gordonDrogon> Bozza, don't you just have a half decent 5v �USB charger?
[19:44] <IT_Sean> ^^^^ that
[19:44] <gordonDrogon> or even plug the Pi into a laptop/desktop's USB socket..
[19:45] <Bozza> gordonDrogon: I might. But I want to put into the DVD case, and connect a few peripherals into the case
[19:45] <gordonDrogon> ok. get o rmake a decent 5v PSU then.
[19:45] <ShorTie> then you need a good usb powered hub it sounds like
[19:45] <Bozza> Is a diode such a bad idea?
[19:45] <stoned> shouldn't the unofficial channel be ##raspberrypi
[19:46] <gordonDrogon> Bozza, does the case already have a PSU?
[19:46] <stoned> [12:45:26] * Topic for #raspberrypi is: Unofficial RaspberryPi IRC channel
[19:46] <stoned> Hi, how's it going
[19:46] <Bozza> gordonDrogon: googling PSU
[19:46] <stoned> I think I misread
[19:46] <stoned> no wait
[19:46] <gordonDrogon> Bozza, power supply unit.
[19:46] <stoned> unofficial means not official
[19:46] <Bozza> Yes it does
[19:46] <stoned> ok
[19:47] <Bozza> With 24 12 5.7 gnd gnd 3.3 and 2.5v pins
[19:47] <gordonDrogon> odd combination.
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[19:47] <Bozza> Not sure on the amps either
[19:47] <ShorTie> ya, really
[19:47] <gordonDrogon> have you measured that, or is that the markings?
[19:48] <IT_Sean> your best bet is to get rid of that power supply entirely, and replace it with a well regulated 5v supply.
[19:48] <Bozza> Those are the markings. Those connect to the main board
[19:48] <gordonDrogon> or stick something like this: http://uk.farnell.com/xp-power/sr10s05/switching-regulator-5v-1a-o-p/dp/1861095?Ntt=sr10s05
[19:48] <gordonDrogon> on the 12V supply.
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[19:56] <SpeedEvil> Or http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LM2596-Power-Step-down-Converter-Module-DC-4-0-40V-Voltage-Regulator-Voltmeter-/350811487736?pt=UK_BOI_Electrical_Test_Measurement_Equipment_ET&hash=item51adfe7df8
[19:57] <SpeedEvil> If it's not urgent
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[19:59] <gordonDrogon> the trouble with ebay is that ... it's ebay. although that device is half the price of the farnell one - the farnell one is a drop-in for ye olde fashioned 7805 - ie. small.
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[20:03] <ozzzy> the datasheet shows an inductor on the input
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[20:03] <ozzzy> if so it's not quite 'drop in'
[20:05] <ozzzy> ahh... that's a class b input filter
[20:06] <SpeedEvil> gordonDrogon: True
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[20:07] <gordonDrogon> a friend of mine uses them to replace the 7805' in spectrums that he refurbishes - I've used a couple. not had an issue without the filter.
[20:08] <SpeedEvil> Makes sense.
[20:10] <ozzzy> yeah... I don't see a Pi needing a class b emissions compliant power supply in most casess
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[20:13] * SpeedEvil was having a problem with B emissions earlier today.
[20:13] * IT_Sean clears his throat
[20:13] <SpeedEvil> I seem to have dug up the entrance to a small beehive.
[20:13] <IT_Sean> Oh
[20:13] <IT_Sean> Te he he
[20:13] * flibble thought that was about to be much ruder
[20:13] * IT_Sean did as well
[20:14] <SpeedEvil> I wonder if you can identify bees optically.
[20:14] <IT_Sean> You can identify them as bees.
[20:15] <SpeedEvil> Well, yes.
[20:15] <flibble> well I can normally identify a bee optically, but struggle remembering their names
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[20:19] <gordonDrogon> They're all called buzz.
[20:19] * flibble grins
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[20:22] <SpeedEvil> Or beeatrice.
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[20:22] <HonkeyGenius> jerry seinfeld
[20:22] * IT_Sean "boo"s and thows popcorn at SpeedEvil
[20:23] <ozzzy> some are called sting
[20:23] <gordonDrogon> bumblebees are cool. I have a yellow jasmine bush which seems to attract lots of them.
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[20:28] <stoned> huh
[20:28] <stoned> Seminiferous Nadclobial Buttnoids.
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[20:30] <IT_Sean> what?
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[20:35] <IT_Sean> stoned: that is NOT #raspberrypi appropriate
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[20:36] <stoned> Why not?
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[20:37] <stoned> It's not unappropriate or out of balance.
[20:37] <stoned> in*
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[20:37] <IT_Sean> stoned: read the channel content policy, linked in the topic.
[20:37] <stoned> Heck it doesn't even mean anything.
[20:37] <gordonDrogon> stoned, have you read the channel rules? http://alturl.com/jc97e
[20:37] <stoned> yes I have
[20:37] <stoned> You might as well get upset about gibberish :)
[20:37] <IT_Sean> I won't repeat the urban dictionary definition here, but, it is not appropriate for this channel.
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[20:38] <stoned> there is a definition for this?
[20:38] <stoned> lol.
[20:38] <gordonDrogon> What did you think it meant?
[20:38] <ReggieUK> yeah, cos you came up with the words independently all on your own.......
[20:38] <stoned> I heard it on prime time tv, during the day, everyday day time, after school...
[20:38] <HonkeyGenius> i really can't tell which part of his statement is causing the issue
[20:38] <stoned> it's nothing bad afaik. just a funny sounding phrase
[20:39] <stoned> ohh, hahaha
[20:39] <stoned> omg.
[20:40] <stoned> That's hilarious. Ha. Wow. Alright the.
[20:41] * HonkeyGenius is completely lost.
[20:41] <IT_Sean> HonkeyGenius: trust me... it's better to be lost.
[20:41] <gordonDrogon> probably for the best.
[20:41] <stoned> I'm lost... I'm found...
[20:41] <ReggieUK> sounds like a cue for a song
[20:41] <stoned> I do that many times a day.
[20:41] <stoned> ReggieUK, probably
[20:43] <stoned> being old sucks.
[20:43] <gordonDrogon> does it?
[20:44] <ShorTie> how big of a cap would i need to power the rPi thru up to a 30 sec power outage ??
[20:44] <stoned> middle of my third decade, and I've got bursitis of the shoulders, tendinitis/cts fingers, osteo arthritis in bones. I can't even pick up simple devices in my fingers without shaking.
[20:44] <stoned> Soldering is getting harder to do
[20:44] * IT_Sean hands ShorTie a capacitor the size of a beer keg
[20:44] <ShorTie> lol
[20:44] <gordonDrogon> ShorTie, a very big one. get a UPS.
[20:44] <ShorTie> that will work
[20:44] <stoned> I have to rest the rest of my fingers on bench, while I solder w/ my thumb and forefinger holding the iron
[20:45] <stoned> for support
[20:45] <gordonDrogon> stoned, regardless, you're not old.
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[20:45] <ReggieUK> you should make a bench with a hole in it and a shelf underneath to hold your work
[20:45] <ReggieUK> or a platform to place over your work
[20:45] <stoned> ReggieUK, intersting
[20:46] <ripplebit> guys i need a (code-based) project for my pi thanks
[20:46] <ReggieUK> or a pair of movable arm rests to go on the desk
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[20:46] <stoned> gordonDrogon, almost middle aged.
[20:47] <mgottschlag> ripplebit: reverse engineering!!!!!!1112
[20:47] <ripplebit> lol what is that?
[20:47] <mgottschlag> nvm
[20:48] <mgottschlag> reverse engineering = "finding out how stuff works if it is not documented"
[20:48] <stoned> what's the first rule of reverse engineering?
[20:48] <stoned> don't get so pissed you can't think.
[20:48] <stoned> :D
[20:49] <gordonDrogon> stoned, there are many here much older than you.
[20:49] <stoned> but they might be in better health
[20:49] <stoned> I was always the sickly/nerdy kid in class
[20:49] <stoned> always unwell/sick/no sports, no activities, just study
[20:50] <mgottschlag> stoned: heh, indeed :D
[20:50] <ShorTie> the sun gives the body lots of need vitimins
[20:50] <stoned> introduce pathology into the system
[20:50] <stoned> reverse engineering is fun
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[20:51] <emzic> hi, what could be the reason my rpis disk is suddenly full? i am running raspbian
[20:51] <stoned> I am about to drive to walmart, return a coffee grinder that sucks and a keyboard that doesn't work
[20:51] <stoned> I will get some sun today
[20:51] <stoned> yay
[20:51] <stoned> i haven't been out in 4 days i think almost
[20:51] <stoned> wheelchair broke
[20:51] <mgottschlag> emzic: no way to tell from here, you need to find out what uses so much memory
[20:51] * stoned was kicked from #raspberrypi by IT_Sean
[20:51] <mgottschlag> e.g. the "du" program can tell you
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[20:52] <stoned> what happened?
[20:52] <toffe> wheelchair broke ?
[20:52] <emzic> ok, thanks, du gives me a list of files
[20:52] <toffe> is that language?
[20:52] <emzic> i guess the number next tot it is the filesize
[20:52] <stoned> I have no idea
[20:52] <toffe> sucks maybe
[20:52] <stoned> has to be
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[20:52] <stoned> apparently you can't say sucks?
[20:53] <stoned> when it's not even directed at anyone?
[20:53] <mgottschlag> emzic: yes - maybe try "du | sort -n" or something to find the largest files/directories
[20:53] <toffe> IT_Sean: explain yourself!
[20:53] <mgottschlag> also, du has some option to only check print directory level, use that for an overview of where memory went
[20:53] <emzic> ok thanks
[20:54] <emzic> ok the last few lines of du are
[20:54] <emzic> 977852 ./var/cache/apt/archives
[20:54] <emzic> 1012728 ./var/cache/apt
[20:54] <emzic> 1019392 ./var/cache
[20:54] <emzic> 1306768 ./var
[20:54] <emzic> 1899548 ./usr
[20:54] <emzic> 3441844 .
[20:54] <stoned> I don't think or have ever heard or ANYONE EVER in the history of moderation include 'sucks' (the most generally used term to describe things one doesn't like or something)
[20:54] <emzic> is that normal?
[20:54] <stoned> it's not foul, swearing or adlut oriented.
[20:54] <gordonDrogon> stoned, so maybe it wasn't that word afterall?
[20:54] <stoned> then which word was it?
[20:54] <IT_Sean> I just PM'd stoned
[20:55] <mgottschlag> emzic: looks like the apt-get cache is the problem, there apt-get stores all downloads during updates
[20:55] <emzic> ok how can i clean it?
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[20:55] <stoned> ok, hang on, u have to be allowed
[20:55] <emzic> apt-get autoclean?
[20:55] <emzic> df
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[20:56] <stoned> IT_Sean, you have to msg me again b/c I have +g
[20:56] <mgottschlag> emzic: or even apt-get clean
[20:56] <IT_Sean> just done so
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[20:57] <emzic> mgottschlag: thx that did the trick!
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[20:58] <stoned> apparently it was 'pissed'.
[20:58] <stoned> soooooo rrry.
[20:58] * IT_Sean sets mode +b *!*@*unaffiliated/stoned
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[21:19] <steve_rox> :-P
[21:20] <steve_rox> too quiet again i see
[21:21] <gordonDrogon> yea.
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[21:22] <ripplebit> guys what is a good code project to do for the pi?
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[21:23] <gordonDrogon> hard to say..
[21:23] <gordonDrogon> anything you like you feel you can contribute to, rather than starting afresh?
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[21:24] <gordonDrogon> I'm looking at writing a bit mapped font editor - in BASIC. Mostly because I can't find nice bitmapped fonts out there (for my BASIC)
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[21:26] <Bozza> What have you guys made with your pies? Anything cool yet?
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[21:26] <KiltedPi> I hooked up a thermistor to the GPIO
[21:26] <steve_rox> got mine doing a time laps webcam thing at moment , kinda boring but there ya go
[21:27] <gordonDrogon> KiltedPi, what interface?
[21:27] <Bozza> Wow time lapses are awesome
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[21:27] <KiltedPi> SPI
[21:27] <gordonDrogon> KiltedPi, with an A/D?
[21:27] <steve_rox> i probly set the delay a bit too wide at 3 mins
[21:27] <KiltedPi> A/D?
[21:27] <Bozza> KiltedPi: cool
[21:27] <KiltedPi> Single pin connectors to the GPIO
[21:28] <Bozza> I am so excited to boot my pi for the first time
[21:28] <KiltedPi> Its a wire coil thermistor with a temperature range of -100 degrees to 4000
[21:28] <gordonDrogon> KiltedPi, analog to digital converter.
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[21:28] <Bozza> Got it yesterday. Don't have an sd card :( . Tech shop closed an hour earlier than the opening times state
[21:28] <KiltedPi> I've been so busy tho, i wanted to send my pi into space
[21:28] <Bozza> Seriouslyz.
[21:28] <Ely_arp> is that like losing virginity
[21:28] <KiltedPi> I bought the thermistor as an integrated circuit
[21:28] <Bozza> With a weather balloon?
[21:29] <KiltedPi> Yeah
[21:29] <gordonDrogon> KiltedPi, got a part num?
[21:29] <KiltedPi> sure!
[21:29] <Bozza> Ely_arp: hehe you boot it and you go " that was it? "
[21:29] <Ely_arp> lol
[21:29] <KiltedPi> I'll find the datasheet
[21:29] <Bozza> :)
[21:29] <KiltedPi> http://www.maximintegrated.com/datasheet/index.mvp/id/7273
[21:30] <KiltedPi> There ya go!
[21:30] <KiltedPi> Thats the datasheet for the wee circuit
[21:30] <Bozza> Nice
[21:30] <KiltedPi> I had to be very careful soldering it
[21:30] <Bozza> Can it control your radiators ?
[21:30] <KiltedPi> There are two elements to it
[21:30] <gordonDrogon> KiltedPi, neat. looks fairly trivial to interface too.
[21:31] <KiltedPi> It can measure temperature
[21:31] <KiltedPi> Yeah! We can't all be GordonDrogons right away ya know! Gotta start somewhere
[21:31] <KiltedPi> ;)
[21:31] <Ely_arp> is there a general channel for arm boards?
[21:31] <Bozza> Next step is to a) send it into space or b) hook it up to regulate the room temp
[21:31] <KiltedPi> That was the reason i went with it.
[21:31] <Bozza> A.
[21:31] <Bozza> Ftw
[21:31] <KiltedPi> I was looking at geiger counters
[21:31] <KiltedPi> SOOOOO expensive
[21:31] <KiltedPi> and if i touch the tube, it breaks
[21:32] <KiltedPi> I wanted to send up a balloon and take measurements
[21:32] <Bozza> Ahh cool
[21:32] <KiltedPi> £80 for a geiger counter though
[21:32] <KiltedPi> Like, for the tube. not even with the circuit
[21:32] <Bozza> Yes that's pricey
[21:32] <emzic> where is bash located on raspbian?
[21:33] <KiltedPi> dunno emzic. Good question
[21:33] <Bozza> The usual places.
[21:33] <mgottschlag> "whereis bash"?
[21:33] <KiltedPi> raspbian is just debian "Wheezy" tho
[21:33] <flibble> emzic, not sure, but type 'which bash' and it should give you the path
[21:33] <IT_Sean> The tubes don't last for ever, as well.
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[21:33] <KiltedPi> Because of the nature of the half life IT_Sean?
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[21:33] <Bozza> Can you connect more than one serial peripherals to the GPIO?
[21:34] <mgottschlag> ah, yes, "which" was the command I meant
[21:34] <emzic> thx
[21:34] <mgottschlag> Bozza: depends on what you mean with "serial"
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[21:34] <Bozza> mgottschlag: either ttl or rs232
[21:35] <mgottschlag> well, the pi only has one uart, so you would need additional USB uarts for further channels
[21:35] <Bozza> I suppose one device is fine for now
[21:35] <KiltedPi> power draw is always finicky when you aren't using a seperate powered usb hub
[21:35] <KiltedPi> be aware of that
[21:36] <KiltedPi> You end up with corrupted SD cards that way
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[21:36] <techkid6> . . . I really have to change my "tech" highlight
[21:36] * KiltedPi learned the hard way
[21:36] <KiltedPi> :)
[21:36] <Bozza> Ahh yes the USB powered hub. That's also on the buying list
[21:36] <KiltedPi> Make sure its powered.
[21:36] <KiltedPi> a seperate powered one I mean
[21:36] <Bozza> Can the pi take many usb devices though?
[21:36] <KiltedPi> not just any USB hub
[21:37] <mgottschlag> Bozza: only if enough power is available
[21:37] <KiltedPi> It can, but power draw will mean only so many yeah
[21:37] <gordonDrogon> Bozza, it can take many, but it only has a single USB interface.
[21:37] <Bozza> KiltedPi: roger goer :)
[21:37] <KiltedPi> The model A, gordon?
[21:38] <IT_Sean> KiltedPi: actually, no. The gas seeps out
[21:38] <mgottschlag> even model B only has one USB interface
[21:38] <KiltedPi> I know i have two ports for my USB right enough. Got a model b
[21:38] <IT_Sean> You can have the tubes regassed, but it isn't cheap
[21:38] <Bozza> mgottschlag: but is there enough bandwidth to say have a hard disk that is constantly reading/writing , have wifi, Bluetooth and another USB device maybe
[21:38] <mgottschlag> there just happens to be a hub
[21:38] <gordonDrogon> KiltedPi, one usb into a hub on the model b.
[21:38] <KiltedPi> roger that!
[21:38] <IT_Sean> noone 'ere called rodger
[21:38] <KiltedPi> I'll leave radiation monitoring then
[21:39] <KiltedPi> Fire at Will!
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[21:39] <IT_Sean> Oi!
[21:39] <KiltedPi> Thats a total dad joke, IT_Sean
[21:39] <KiltedPi> :DDD
[21:39] <gordonDrogon> so if you're transfering data from one usb device to another then it all has to go over the single USB interface, so might be a bit of a bottleneck..
[21:39] <IT_Sean> Wha'd Will ever do to you!
[21:39] <KiltedPi> yeah! hahaha
[21:39] <Bozza> gordonDrogon: that's the plan
[21:40] <KiltedPi> I'm very new to Hardware in electronics you see
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[21:40] <KiltedPi> Its pretty fun so far.
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[21:40] <KiltedPi> The software interfacing is easy peasy
[21:40] <KiltedPi> python is amazingly simple
[21:41] <KiltedPi> I love this web comic : http://xkcd.com/353/
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[21:42] <Bozza> KiltedPi: I love python
[21:42] <Bozza> I am getting started with Django
[21:42] <Bozza> But haven't used it all that much yet
[21:42] <Bozza> I am a pro at bash though :3
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[21:44] <Bozza> mgottschlag: quick question about the PSU
[21:44] <Bozza> The PSU from my DVD player has different rated V pins. And two ground pins
[21:45] <gordonDrogon> I love BASIC.
[21:45] <gordonDrogon> BASIC is cool.
[21:45] <Bozza> Sarcasm? :)
[21:45] <gordonDrogon> No.
[21:45] <gordonDrogon> I can't stand Python.
[21:46] <Bozza> Python is bash like which is why I like it
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[21:50] <gordonDrogon> actually, I've never had a need to program in python.
[21:50] <gordonDrogon> C (and BASIC) (and PHP) and a bit of bash/csh does me just fine.
[21:50] <Bozza> gordonDrogon: when I think of basic I think of computers with a black screen and green text
[21:50] <Bozza> Is basic similar to c?
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[21:51] <Bozza> What's annoying about python? I haven't gotten into it that much yet
[21:51] <kaste> no not really
[21:51] <gordonDrogon> Bozza, http://unicorn.drogon.net/rtb4.png
[21:51] <HonkeyGenius> python is very format sensitive
[21:51] <HonkeyGenius> syntax format that is
[21:52] <gordonDrogon> BASIC is like C in that it has variables, procedures, functions and control structures, but that's about the only similarities.
[21:52] <HonkeyGenius> BASIC is old school
[21:52] <Bozza> Cool! That looks very basic! gordonDrogon
[21:52] <HonkeyGenius> i used to do a lot in QBASIC
[21:52] <Bozza> HonkeyGenius: seems to basic , no?
[21:53] <gordonDrogon> Hm. not looked at those old images for ages :)
[21:53] <HonkeyGenius> yes BASIC is very basic
[21:53] <gordonDrogon> Beginners All purpose Symbolic Instruction Code
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[21:53] <gordonDrogon> probably one of the earliest examples of a backronym too.
[21:54] <gordonDrogon> a very simplified fortran with line numbers.
[21:54] <gordonDrogon> bigger example program: http://unicorn.drogon.net/snake.rtb
[21:55] <Bozza> gordonDrogon: amazing that is beautiful on the eye as well
[21:56] <gordonDrogon> basic was the first programming language most people on my generation (or 10 years younger) would have learned...
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[21:57] <gordonDrogon> and possibly a lot more if they learned at home on the old 8-bit micros.
[21:58] <gordonDrogon> I wrote the interpreter for that basic about 18 months ago because it was sometime I'd always wanted to do.
[21:58] <Ely_arp> the problem with basic was that everyone could understand it
[21:59] <gordonDrogon> yea, not hard enough :)
[21:59] <Bozza> Well isn't that a good thing that everyone can understand its.
[21:59] <Bozza> ?*
[22:00] <gordonDrogon> the (main) argument against basic is that it doesn't teach good programming paractice - my argument is that it's the teacher's job to teach good practice and not the language.
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[22:02] <Bozza> Fair enough
[22:02] <gordonDrogon> I think it's an excellent introduction because the entry-level to it is more or less 'turn the computer on and it's there'
[22:02] <gordonDrogon> as it's all interactive.
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[22:03] <gordonDrogon> but call me a dinosaur :)
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[22:04] <HonkeyGenius> gordonDrogonosaurus Rex!
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[22:08] <SpeedEvil> Also - the plus with ZX81s.
[22:08] <SpeedEvil> that realistic capacitive touchscreen feel.
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[22:10] <gordonDrogon> resistive more like.
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[22:10] <gordonDrogon> didn't the membrake keyboard short out the pbc tracks underneath via the conductive rubber sheet approach?
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[22:26] <knob> Hey guys, random question: Is there such a thing as a PoE "Extractor" ? I though of having an rPi 250ft off, and to run one Cat5e cable. Have that cable PoE, and have a "PoE Extractor", which would power the rPi.
[22:26] <knob> What are your thoughts? Yes? No? Better way to do it?
[22:27] <mgottschlag> I think such things exist
[22:27] <knob> I'm doing some googling right now...
[22:27] <knob> Yet I was wondering if somebody could point to a link or something of the sort directly pertaining to an rPi setup
[22:27] <comradekingu> you can make one
[22:28] <knob> comradekingu, what do you suggest?
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[22:28] <comradekingu> how is an injector different from an extractor btw?
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[22:29] <knob> I have no idea... never opened one
[22:29] <knob> Found this: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=2085
[22:30] <comradekingu> they are called PoE splitters
[22:30] <knob> comradekingu, ohh... oh wow
[22:30] <knob> I'll definitely be buying two on my way home tonight!
[22:30] <knob> ftfw!
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[22:33] <knob> brb... rebooting
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[22:40] <ShorTie> if you can make your own eth cable you can make your own PoE
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[22:44] <gordonDrogon> easier to use proper injector/extractors though.
[22:45] <gordonDrogon> and for an 80m run you'll really want the 48v supply going into it...
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[22:47] <ShorTie> yup, 5v @ 1a your gonna be lucky to get 10'
[22:48] <ShorTie> need to Tim Tyler it
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[22:49] <SpeedEvil> something like 2kv@10a
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[23:05] <Weeman89> Hi
[23:05] <Weeman89> I need some help, my pi has frozen while in the desktop environment but the clock/CPU utilization is still moving, is there a way I can restart without pulling the power?
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[23:06] <wrea> Anyone using the mausberry switch?
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[23:09] <MachinaeWolf> Does the fedora remix for pi come with ndiswrapper?
[23:10] <chithead> even if it did, you couldn't run x86 drivers on arm
[23:10] <MachinaeWolf> well crap I think I need to buy a new wifi adapter then :/
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[23:11] <MachinaeWolf> One I have apparently doesn't work w/o ndiswrapper :/
[23:11] <steve_rox> fun
[23:11] <chithead> which one? also look at http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals#USB_Wi-Fi_Adapters
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[23:11] <MachinaeWolf> It's a netgear n150 wireless usb adapter
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[23:13] <chithead> netgear n150 is listed as working
[23:13] <MachinaeWolf> oh?
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[23:14] <MachinaeWolf> hmm but idk how well a debian script will work on fedora...
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[23:15] <chithead> possibly not very well, but it shows that ndiswrapper is not needed
[23:15] <S_J> I want to make a router but I read the raspberry isnt very suited for this purpose, to slow!
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[23:17] <ShorTie> for a router ??
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[23:19] <Bushmills> most routers are slower
[23:19] <Bushmills> but, most routers have multiple ethernet ports.
[23:19] <Bushmills> that's what raspberry doesn't have
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[23:23] <ShorTie> thats only a usb adapter away though
[23:23] <ShorTie> like most pc's
[23:24] <Bushmills> and those share the usb bandwidth among each other?
[23:25] <ShorTie> so, outside link doesn't use much
[23:25] <ShorTie> need a good switch on the inside
[23:25] * lupinedk is now known as Lupinedk
[23:26] <Bushmills> well, then you're trying convince me that raspberry is *not* too slow :)
[23:27] <chithead> the usb adapters will even share usb bandwidth with the pi's ethernet port because that uses usb too
[23:27] <chithead> if you want a router, then get a router
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[23:28] <ShorTie> looking it on forums i see, I'd still just put that money towards a proper router board though, it's a better solution.
[23:28] <ShorTie> or just use old pc and smoothwall
[23:28] <Bushmills> not very power efficient
[23:29] <ShorTie> i think a 486 is still unuff for it, lol.
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[23:30] <Bushmills> a router with good openwrt compatibility even gives you a very similar environment as you have with a raspbian running something linux based
[23:30] <ozzzy> I had a very nice router built around a 386
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[23:30] <Bushmills> ... raspberry running something linux based...
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[23:32] <ShorTie> router with good openwrt compatibility, is probily the best bet
[23:33] <chithead> assuming your old pc uses ~40W when idle, this is 350 kWh/year
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[23:34] <MachinaeWolf> chithead, how up to date is http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals#USB_Wi-Fi_Adapters ?
[23:34] <MachinaeWolf> One of my older wifi adapters might work with it
[23:35] <chithead> people try it, and if it works make an entry, then never again care about it
[23:35] <chithead> but things that worked once typically keep on working
[23:36] <ShorTie> just plug it in and see what dmesg says about it
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[23:36] <MachinaeWolf> gotcha :D
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[23:36] <zproc> what's the best way to check out the ports currently in use on my Pi? netstat / netstat -a?
[23:37] <Bushmills> define "in use"
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