#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2013-06-28

Timestamps are in GMT/BST.

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[0:17] <GuySoft> hi all, does anyone here know how to install wireing pi?
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[0:20] <wroberts1> GuySoft: is this good instruction? http://wiringpi.com/download-and-install/
[0:21] <GuySoft> wroberts1, I did that, but i can't import wiringpi2
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[0:21] <wroberts1> python?
[0:22] <GuySoft> wroberts1, yes. sorry did not mention
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[0:23] <wroberts1> is it WiringPi2-python? or without 2 https://github.com/WiringPi
[0:24] <wroberts1> i suppose WiringPi2-python is for lastest/current version
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[0:32] <wroberts1> it needs to have installed python-dev package, and swig2.0 package
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[0:45] <Tykazin> Hey... I'm thinking of getting an RPi ... I'm wondering are there any exposesed pins I can control? I'll be mainly writing in python but i don't mind hooking up my python code with a bit of C
[0:45] <ozzzy> yep... there are a handful of GPIOs avalable
[0:45] <ozzzy> er... available
[0:45] <Tykazin> I want to be able to drive another circuit i'm thinking of building which will mainly just be a driver to some motors
[0:45] <Tykazin> okay cool
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[0:45] <ozzzy> along with a UART, SPI etc.
[0:46] <Tykazin> awesome!
[0:46] * Tykazin orders RPi =]
[0:46] <ozzzy> only 1 hardware PWM pin though
[0:47] * Firehopper waits for his quad rpi + arduino due all in one board
[0:47] <Tykazin> I should I _think_ only need one output pin
[0:47] <Tykazin> that could change though
[0:47] <pksato> rpi with thousands GPIOs. :)
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[0:48] <ozzzy> you need to buffer the GPIO pins if you're circuits do 5V ttl... the Pi's pins aren't 5v tolerant
[0:48] * Firehopper loves hims udoo
[0:48] <Tykazin> okay
[0:48] <JakeSays> Tykazin: i hook my pi to all sorts of junk
[0:48] <Tykazin> just wondering, I'm in the UK which vender is typically the quickest?
[0:48] <Tykazin> don't wanna be sat around waiting for ages :P
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[0:49] <pksato> Tykazin: if you dont have, but some books about basic eletronis, analog and digital.
[0:50] <pksato> s/but/buy
[0:50] <Tykazin> i studied electronics so i got the basics
[0:50] <Tykazin> been a while but I think i still remember most of it
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[0:53] <Tykazin> hmm I might get Type A
[0:53] <Tykazin> the lower power is kinda appealing
[0:55] <Tykazin> what kinda power do they typically take?
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[0:56] <pksato> any stable 5V@5W psu
[0:56] <Tykazin> hmm alright
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[0:59] <SpeedEvil> the power is the same if you standby the USB
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[1:00] <mumbles> ok guys - things to do with my ledborg and my pi. have already got e-mail notification setup
[1:02] <Tykazin> SpeedEvil: I'll have to think this thorough, i'm probably be going to have other stuff taking a fair amount of power unless i rethink everything :P
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[1:11] <Tykazin> woot right i've ordered one! ^_^
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[3:03] <Katty> ermagerd! look at that /nick list!
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[3:04] <IT_Sean> aye
[3:04] <IT_Sean> it's usually fairly sizable
[3:04] <Katty> well how is everyone this peachy evening?
[3:05] * Firehopper derps at sean :)
[3:05] <IT_Sean> Not too bad. Television is working again
[3:05] * IT_Sean thumps Firehopper
[3:05] <Katty> horray for tv working! even if it only is back noise.
[3:05] <IT_Sean> Indeed.
[3:06] <Katty> just got done doing my workout (= being lazy on youtube now.
[3:06] * Firehopper thwaps IT_Sean with a unix manual
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[3:07] * IT_Sean threatens Firehopper with a pre-sp1 copy of WIndows Vista
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[3:08] <Firehopper> eh, that wont bother me :)
[3:09] <Firehopper> I'd be downloading patches though :)
[3:09] <IT_Sean> sorry. patches are not permitted.
[3:10] * Firehopper smacks sean with a tandy model 100
[3:10] * IT_Sean slaps Firehopper with an inept user
[3:10] <malcom2073> ouch
[3:10] <Firehopper> lol sean :)
[3:11] <Firehopper> that would be me in linux :)
[3:11] <Firehopper> I know enough to be dangerous :)
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[3:11] <ShorTie> thats what they all say
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[4:45] <Blacklite> hello
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[4:46] <Blacklite> i'm having problems in a webkit frame on my pi where a 1px wide gradient png on repeat-x doesn't show the gradient properly
[4:46] <Blacklite> e.g. the first 20 or so pixels is the first colour, and the rest is light
[4:46] <Blacklite> it just jumps
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[4:50] <Blacklite> and i've tried it on multiple screens
[4:50] <Blacklite> and the gradient looks correct on my mac
[4:50] <Blacklite> (same web page)
[4:50] <Blacklite> so it must be something within the pi that is rendering incorrectly
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[5:01] <Blacklite> ahh webkit doesn't run in 32bit colour
[5:01] <Blacklite> that explains it
[5:03] <Scriven> Wow, the rpi does NOT like to be on 24/7, at least not w/ openelec. :(
[5:04] <Tickle> I've had almost a month of uptime, never used openelec though.
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[5:11] <Scriven> this is almost too frustrating to bother with right now.
[5:11] <Scriven> openelec was sitting idle showing me the weather, and froze last night at 10pm. Was playing w/ Wii so didn't have the output on the rpi, discovered it just now. Won't even boot from that SD card now.
[5:12] <Scriven> Dropped in my raspbian, booted just fine (in glorious HD even)...
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[5:13] <Scriven> holy unhappy filesystem batman!
[5:14] <Scriven> 'Error storing directory block information (inode=269, block=0, num=67967299): Memory allocation failed"
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[5:23] <Scriven> wow, even fixing e2fsck with a cache doesn't work.
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[5:27] <shutin> hi all. i am having trouble getitng my pi to set it's clock when it boots up. I need to manually run "ntpd -gq" to set the time. how can i make this happen when it boots?
[5:27] <shutin> is it soemthing with "update-rc somethingsomething"?
[5:28] <Tickle> If you're connected to the internet it should set itself
[5:29] <Tickle> That's a big if though
[5:29] <shutin> it is connected. it works fine if i type ntpd -gq as soon as it boots up, i just need to figure out how to run that command upon boot
[5:30] <shutin> perhaps it isnt fully connected to my wifi point though when it boots and its failing then
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[5:30] <shutin> how can i get it to repeatedly try to set the clock?
[5:32] <shutin> perhaps this is better suited as a cron task?
[5:33] <Tickle> http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/linux-how-to-run-a-command-when-boots-up.html
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[5:35] <{Nathan}> I may not be able to set up snes game launching from xbmc right now, but I'm able to run xbmc and emulationstation together, on the same install, without rebooting
[5:35] <{Nathan}> I'd call that success
[5:36] <shutin> thanks Tickle, but I'm now wondering if it might be smarter to have it run the ntpd update after it connects to the internet. is there a way to specify commands to run after connection?
[5:37] <Tickle> Not sure
[5:37] <Tickle> sorry
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[5:39] <shutin> on another note, has anyone tried the i2p pi distro?
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[6:17] <technomancy> what do the colors on the far right of this table indicate? http://elinux.org/RPi_BCM2835_GPIOs#GPIO0
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[6:22] <Blacklite> ok
[6:22] <Blacklite> framebuffer_depth=32 fixed it :)
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[6:33] <technomancy> got my shipment of LEDs; ready to rock the binary clock https://twitter.com/technomancy/status/350435029538721792/photo/1
[6:34] <technomancy> keeping all the different pin number straight in my head is a bit of a challenge
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[6:59] <ricksl> I just watched a movie on my pi, and i usually don't keep it in a case, it got so hot it actually started effecting the coating of the pcb
[7:01] <fr0g911> wow i've never seen that before mine run 24/7 and run movies most of the time
[7:01] <fr0g911> w/o case's
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[7:08] <ricksl> I need a small fan or heatsync or something
[7:09] <ricksl> no lie it was easily 70c when i took it out, was surprised the plastic wasn't melting.
[7:09] <ParkerR> 80 is critical
[7:10] <ParkerR> ricksl: ... the plastic wasnt melting because that no where near themelting point
[7:10] <ricksl> parker, i got your envolope in the mail today btw
[7:10] <ParkerR> Not sure how that is surprising
[7:10] <ParkerR> ricksl: :) thanks
[7:10] <ricksl> thought it was lower, seen plastic deform at much lower temps
[7:10] <ParkerR> ).0
[7:10] <ricksl> i guess since there wasn't any stress on it or anything
[7:10] <ParkerR> Oh
[7:10] <ParkerR> In my head I was reading that as 70f
[7:10] <ricksl> oh
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[7:10] <ParkerR> Derp
[7:11] <ricksl> no thats celcius, took a temp reading before i pulled the plug
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[7:12] <ricksl> these adafruit cases look great, but they need some more vent ports or something
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[7:41] <fr0g911> hey ParkerR how are you
[7:42] <fr0g911> night gotta sleep
[7:42] <fr0g911> see ya tomorrow
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[7:48] <ParkerR> fr0g911: good
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[9:40] <shutin> ugh I am having the hardest time getting my pi to act as an access point
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[9:40] <shutin> does anyone know anything about dnsmasq? my client connects and dnsmasq offers it an ip and other info but it just drops and keeps reconnecting
[9:41] <shutin> if a client connects to a network and isn't provided enough info by the dhcp server is the default behavior to just disconnect?
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[9:48] <linuxstb> shutin: I use dnsmasq (never on a Pi though), but have never had that problem. So I guess I'm no help ;)
[9:49] <linuxstb> Do you perhaps have a firewall script that could be blocking it?
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[9:51] <Bushmills> what drops? after dnsmasq replied with an address? who cares then?
[9:52] <Bushmills> or you mean the dhcp server persion of dnsmasq offered a dhcp lease?
[9:52] <Bushmills> "reconnecting" - what does it try to reconnect with?
[9:53] <Bushmills> s/persion/portion/
[9:55] <Bushmills> (seems to me that it's not dnsmasq which causes whatever happens - after all it has done its job already)
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[10:15] <shutin> no, no firewall or anything. i'm following the numerous guides i find online for setting this up. it's just strange, after dnsmasq sends the client data, the client disconnects for some reason, then immediately reconnects to try again
[10:16] <shutin> i'm also not sure how the bridging of the networks is supposed to magically happen. for example, my home network is The Pi is set up to be on, it is the gateway, but never in any of the config files do i specify that is the actual gateway to the internet
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[10:17] <shutin> sorry, i should say the pi's wlan0 interface is it';s eth0 is properly set up with
[10:18] <shutin> but getting out to the internet is not the step im stuck on. it's just getting a danged IP to be given out to a client!
[10:19] <shutin> ooo wait a sec, i may have gotten something. i installed isc-dhcp-server instead and now i got an ip. unfortunately i can't get out to the internet
[10:19] <Bushmills> "the bridging" isn't supposed to happen automatically. there is only one ethernet interface, not enough for any bridging.
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[10:21] <shutin> well right now my client has it's gateway is sorrectly set up to see my pi at Now how does it know how to get to the actual gateway of
[10:21] <Bushmills> but well, i'm afraid i can't help you, there's a considerable lack of details in your question, which you don't want to seem to clarify
[10:22] <Bushmills> there's openwrt for raspberry pi - that might do all those things automatically
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[10:22] <shutin> sorry, i was getting ice cream while this rebooted and now that i'm using a different dhcp server, things are working slightly better so i'm running some diagnostics to see whats going on
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[10:23] <shutin> do you see where i am confused though? I don't understand how the Pi knows to route traffic from this client out to the pi's gateway (my home router)
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[10:23] <Bushmills> no, i don't see where you are confused. i don't even know what "this client" is
[10:23] <shutin> because it's NOT doing that now, and in the tutorials i've followed it's never mentioned. is it an iptables command you need to issue?
[10:24] <Bushmills> and why should pi know that route to pi?
[10:24] <shutin> i have an android tablet (client) wifi -> Pi eth0 -> home router
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[10:25] <Bushmills> try again presenting your problem more comprehensively, so that it's not necessary to prompt for every and each detail.
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[10:26] <Bushmills> don't assume everybody know what you're doing or intend to do.
[10:26] <shutin> sure. I'm trying to set up my Pi as a wfi access point. It is connected to my home router via ethernet on eth0. The Pi has a wifi dongle on it (wlan0)
[10:28] <shutin> I'm using hostapd to handle the wifi AP side of things on the pi, and using isc-dhcp-server to hand out IPs and DNS info to any clients that connect to it via wifi.
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[10:28] <Bushmills> so we can establish, clients can connect to pi over wlan already?
[10:28] <shutin> this is my overall goal: http://learn.adafruit.com/onion-pi
[10:29] <Bushmills> that's good. that means that the driver of your wifi device supports AP mode, und you have set that up correctly
[10:29] <shutin> i just now got a client (an android tablet) to connect to the Pi via wifi, but it can't access the internet
[10:30] <Bushmills> have you set up NAT on the pi?
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[10:30] <shutin> ugh.. you know.. i had it all set up but i just rebooted so it might have wiped out that config!
[10:30] <shutin> i'll check
[10:30] <Bushmills> is that a yes or a no?
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[10:34] <shutin> it looks like I have nothing in iptables. So, nope, I'm not NAT'd at all. I guess figuring that part out again is the first step!
[10:34] <Bushmills> you may want to set that up
[10:34] <Bushmills> here's a simple example config:
[10:34] <Bushmills> http://scarydevilmonastery.net/masq
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[10:36] <shutin> cool thanks!
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[10:47] <shutin> oh heck yeah!! it was not working at all.. i had a ping running with 100% loss.. then i looked and saw that for some reason wlan0 was up but hadn't given itself an IP for some reason. I did ifconfig wlan <ip> and right then BOOM no more packet loss and everything works now
[10:49] <shutin> now I just need to figure out why it didn't assign itself an ip when it went up like it should have. my /etc/network/interfaces looks correct.. thanks for your help. really appreciate it
[10:49] <shutin> now i just throw Tor on this thing and I can safely share my internet with all my neighbors who can't afford it
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[10:55] <davezZz> so okay, i've finally got a main.o a main.s a main.elf and a main.bin
[10:56] <davezZz> close.. so close
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[12:08] <Gadget-Mac> gordonDrogon: No joy :(
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[12:09] <mdev> is it easy to turn a raspberrypi into a proxy device
[12:10] <mdev> where connections can be routed through ti, like a mini firewall or what have you?
[12:11] <Bushmills> yes, should be easy
[12:11] <Bushmills> squid is one option
[12:11] <Bushmills> though caching to sd card may be suboptimal
[12:12] <tig|> was about to say, you might want a USB hard drive or something for the cache
[12:12] <ShorTie> they say a rPi doesn't make a good router
[12:12] <Bushmills> if you mean just connection sharing, no file caching, that's easy too
[12:12] <linuxstb> mdev: What exactly do you want to do? What kind of proxy?
[12:13] <Bushmills> http://scarydevilmonastery.net/masq is essentially what you need as setup
[12:14] <Bushmills> ShorTie: define "good router"
[12:15] <mdev> ShorTie how come
[12:15] <mdev> in regards to the not good router comment
[12:16] <mdev> also Bushmills thanks
[12:16] <Bushmills> no worries
[12:16] <mdev> forgot about iptables, very useful
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[12:24] <ShorTie> it's in the forums, but a flashable router is a better way to go they say
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[12:31] <Bushmills> yes, true. raspberry is a bit wasted for that purpose
[12:31] <Bushmills> overkill
[12:31] <Bushmills> far too much RAM for that purpose. far too few onboard devices for network connectivity
[12:32] <Bushmills> and a 700 MHz CPU - you want a router, not a number cruncher :)
[12:33] <LordDoskias> rpi + usb hub + usb wifi/ethernets = win?
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[12:34] <ozzzy> win for what
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[12:37] <Bushmills> i'd still prefer an el-cheapo openwrt router
[12:37] <Bushmills> but pi is usable for that purpose, no doubt.
[12:38] <Bushmills> with a pi, i'd be worried that it wouldn't boot by itself any longer after a power failure
[12:39] <chithead> you can get a decent openwrt router for 25€ already (35€ with gbit ethernet). a pi with hub+usb/ethernet adapters will cost multiple times that
[12:39] <ozzzy> setup a one-shot to short P6 on power restoration
[12:40] <Bushmills> because of corrupted sd-card
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[12:42] <ozzzy> but I do agree with you... a dedicated router is a better option than making on out of a pi
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[12:51] <LordDoskias> chithead, frankly apart from wrt54gl i do not know of any other proper routers
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[12:54] <Bushmills> for cheap routers, the tp-links aren't bad
[12:54] <chithead> the wrt54gl is a bit long in the tooth, with only 16 mb ram. I have several tp-link wr1043nd, they work well.
[12:54] <Bushmills> good price/features balance does the wr1043nd have
[12:55] <mdev> I have a tp-link adapter, it held up ok
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[12:55] <mdev> got a much faster adapter now, but the tp-link is 150mbs and was like $10 on newegg
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[12:56] <chithead> if you are doing first experiments with openwrt, you may also look at d-link. they have a firmware recovery mode which makes them almost impossible to brick
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[12:57] <mdev> i've bricked a router with openwrt before
[12:57] <mdev> it concerns me because I did everything correctly I believe, only did it over wireless
[12:57] <mdev> vs hardline
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[13:00] <ShorTie> thats a BIG diff
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[13:03] <Bushmills> the tp-links are even very easy to flash. writing openwrt can be done from the stock firmware web interface
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[13:08] <BurtyB> ALIX are even easier if you have an SD reader ;)
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[13:09] <BurtyB> s/SD/CF/
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[13:12] <Bushmills> you mean you actually have to copy image to sd card and insert it into router? you call that easy :P
[13:13] <Bushmills> not simply navigating with web browser to firmware image ...
[13:13] <Bushmills> but pray explain "even easier"
[13:15] * Bushmills insert an sd card with latest pr0n into BurtyB's router, waiting for it to flash it
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[13:27] <davezZz> okay, no im still stuck
[13:27] <davezZz> i've gotten the .o the .s .elf and the .bin file
[13:27] <davezZz> can someone prod me in the right direction on how to get this into a kernel.img?
[13:28] <davezZz> i used arm-none-eabi to get those files
[13:28] <LordDoskias> davezZz, what exactly are you trying to achieve?
[13:28] <davezZz> write baremetal in assembler
[13:29] <davezZz> crosscompile on linux
[13:29] <mdev> I think gcc has an arm toolchain
[13:29] <mgottschlag> davezZz: you should find a linker script somewhere which you can use
[13:29] <davezZz> isnt that arm-none-eabi ?
[13:30] <mdev> well it should be able to produce a binary
[13:30] <davezZz> yeah, i got the binary
[13:30] <davezZz> the .bin file right or?
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[13:30] <mdev> try arm-non-eabi-gcc -o program program.o
[13:30] <mdev> or whatever
[13:30] <mgottschlag> https://github.com/dwelch67/raspberrypi/blob/master/blinker01/Makefile https://github.com/dwelch67/raspberrypi/blob/master/blinker01/memmap
[13:30] <mgottschlag> davezZz: those two should tell you how to link a kernel
[13:31] <davezZz> dwelch uses a layer ontop of assembler doesnt it?
[13:31] <mdev> is it possible to brick a raspberrypi?
[13:31] <davezZz> what's it called, he wrote his own thingy
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[13:32] <Bushmills> mdev: yes. possible. subject one to a sufficiently strong EMP
[13:33] <mgottschlag> davezZz: that makefile looks pretty much standard to me
[13:33] <mgottschlag> the linker script however is far too simple, but that should let you run a first simple program
[13:35] <KiltedPi> connect the power to the wrong place you can brick a pi too, I think
[13:35] <KiltedPi> the GPIO i mean
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[13:38] <linuxstb> mdev: Depends on your definition of "brick". IIUC, the initial bootloader is in ROM (i.e. can't be changed), and the rest of the software is loaded from the SD card. So firmware updates can't brick a Pi - you only ever update the contents of the SD card.
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[13:44] <SpeedEvil> In principle, you may be able to break it via overclocking.
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[13:44] <BurtyB> Bushmills, even easier in the am I going to brick it way
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[13:50] <Bushmills> sounds exciting
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[13:53] <Bushmills> i thought the SoC would reduce clock when overheating
[13:53] <Bushmills> which is why warranty would get voided because of overclocking
[13:54] <FR^2> btw. my GPS board works like a charm, both via the gpio serial as well as via the usb cp210x adapter
[13:54] <FR^2> Next thing I'll buy is a small screen
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[13:57] <bts__> i'm writing simple operating system for pi now, is there a danger of damaging hardware if i do a mistake connected with manipulating memory?
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[13:58] <mgottschlag> bts__: you have to try really hard to damage the hardware
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[13:58] <bts__> cause I'm trying to control some parts connected with peripherals, and no way to simulate ;x
[13:58] <Bushmills> manipulating as in setting up dram controller, or as in reading/writing from/to it?
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[14:00] <bts__> reading/writing, but to addresses responsible for peripherals
[14:01] <Bushmills> ah. reading/wrting memory mapped i/o
[14:01] <linuxstb> bts__: My guess - order a backup Pi ;)
[14:01] <Bushmills> "manipulating memory" set be on the wrong foot
[14:01] <Bushmills> has set me...
[14:04] * bts__ doesn't know what to think about it
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[14:06] <Bushmills> maybe "it" reciprocates, by not knowing what to think about you :)
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[14:07] <bts__> :D
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[14:16] <beaky> hello
[14:17] <beaky> how do I ssh into a pi?
[14:17] <Bushmills> ssh pi
[14:18] <mdev> so i take compiling linux drivers on raspi isn't straight forward
[14:19] <mdev> what about posix compliant ring3 apps?
[14:19] <beaky> ah
[14:19] <beaky> nothign happens :(
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[14:20] <Bushmills> press enter
[14:20] <Bushmills> i assume that pi resolves to raspberrie's ip address
[14:21] <beaky> hey it works!
[14:21] <beaky> I used ssh -l pi
[14:21] <beaky> now I can ssh into my headless pi
[14:21] <Bushmills> ssh pi@ for short
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[14:22] <beaky> how do I copy files to and from my pi (
[14:22] <beaky> from my host
[14:22] <Bushmills> scp file pi@
[14:22] <Bushmills> you may want to set up public key authentication first
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[14:23] <beaky> ah what is that
[14:23] <beaky> my connection to my pi seems to go through the internet rather than just my home :(
[14:23] <Bushmills> saves you having to enter password every time
[14:24] <Bushmills> no, it doesn't
[14:24] <beaky> ah
[14:24] <Bushmills> is an address which is unroutable over internet
[14:24] <Bushmills> see rfc 1918
[14:24] <beaky> why is my typing laggy
[14:25] <Bushmills> too much alcohol?
[14:25] <beaky> hehe
[14:25] <FR^2> too much thc?
[14:25] <Bushmills> hehe
[14:25] <Bushmills> he'd be more poetic with that :)
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[14:26] <beaky> thank goodness for vim
[14:26] <beaky> and command line
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[14:28] <FR^2> beaky: if you use ssh / scp without a setup, each time an ssh connection is established, you'll have to enter the password. Although a keypair (private key resides on the box you're connecting from, public key is put on the box you're connecting to) should also be protected by a passphrase, a keymanager running on the box you're connecting from makes it possible that you have to enter the key's passphrase only once
[14:28] <beaky> ah
[14:28] <beaky> how do I setup such a thing
[14:29] <Bushmills> you'd want to read about that, rather than blindly executing what may be suggested here
[14:30] <FR^2> There are several howtos on the net, I'm not sure which one is best.
[14:30] <Bushmills> authentication and security is something one ought to know what one is doing
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[14:31] <beaky> right
[14:31] <beaky> I need to learn the ssh protocol
[14:31] <beaky> and how it works
[14:31] <Bushmills> type ssh immediately followed by two <tab> which gives you an idea what else ssh provides
[14:32] <Bushmills> some of those tools will be useful for setting that up
[14:32] <FR^2> beaky: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/SSH_Keys <-- There's a bit of background about that. Keep in mind that you _can_ create a key pair without a passphrase, but that means you create a kind of blanko cheque for accessing your pi.
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[14:32] <FR^2> So: Don't ever create a key pair without a passphrase (write that down a few hundred times to make sure...)
[14:33] <beaky> ah thanks
[14:33] <beaky> archlinux has excellent wiki
[14:33] <beaky> one reason why I prefer it to raspbian
[14:33] <Bushmills> private keys without passphrase are very convenient though :)
[14:34] <pronto> ^^
[14:34] <FR^2> Bushmills: As convenient as hanging the keys of your flat beside the door with a sign behind it telling how and where to apply it? ^^
[14:35] <Bushmills> behind the locked door. and hostnames in known_hosts are hashed
[14:35] <Bushmills> akin to writing where the key belongs to in cipher on the tag
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[14:36] <FR^2> .bash_history isn't encrypted on my systems, though ^^
[14:36] <Bushmills> precede with a space
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[14:40] <beaky> can the pi do wireless internet?
[14:40] <flibble> yes, with a wireless usb dongle
[14:41] <beaky> ah
[14:41] <flibble> but not out-of-the-box as it were :)
[14:41] <beaky> ah :(
[14:42] <flibble> needs a bit of extra cash outlay :)
[14:42] <flibble> I think they're about 7-10 quid?
[14:42] <Bushmills> $5 and less even
[14:42] <FR^2> concerning the power consumtion of usb devices (e.g. a wireless dongle), how could I measure that in a precise way? oscilloskope? ^^
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[14:43] <Bushmills> FR^2: easy way would be a modified usb cable.
[14:44] <Bushmills> small resistor in one of the wires. measure voltage drop over resistor, divide through resistance.. gives current,
[14:44] <Bushmills> outer two lines are +5V and ground
[14:44] <flibble> that's quite neat
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[14:45] <flibble> moedify a usb extension cable and you could measure any device :)
[14:45] <Bushmills> very small resistor :) wire, for example. just big enough that a voltmeter can pick up the voltage drop.
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[14:46] <FR^2> hmm. good idea. in order to pickup power consumption peaks (as common to mechanical harddrives) I guess I could sooner or later buy an oscilloscope
[14:47] <flibble> I've thought about getting an oscilloscope, but I don't have many tasks that need it
[14:47] <flibble> might be best to just borrow one :)
[14:48] <FR^2> I would like to have one anyway - as a decorative item on the desk ;)
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[14:49] <Bushmills> some of those tablet size and shape scopes look quite neat
[14:49] <flibble> mmm, there's some 1-4 channel ones about the size of a phone
[14:49] <Bushmills> i'd like one of those myself
[14:49] <beaky> hello
[14:50] <SpeedEvil> I would say - in general - avoid.
[14:50] <SpeedEvil> They tend to be _extremely_ limited in comparison to a proper scope.
[14:50] <Bushmills> but they are pretty portable
[14:50] <SpeedEvil> And unless you understand why - they may mislead you significantly.
[14:50] <SpeedEvil> True - if you actually require portability in a scope.
[14:51] <Bushmills> happens that i do
[14:51] <beaky> is it a good idea to plug in a hard disk on a pi
[14:51] <flibble> this is exactly what a scope buying friend told me, then he spent 1400 quid on one ...
[14:51] <SpeedEvil> There is an unfortunate reason why scopes are expensive - to do it right requires _significant_ computer power.
[14:51] <SpeedEvil> computing.
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[14:51] <beaky> yes scopes have fancy ADCs and stuff
[14:51] <Bushmills> depends. trigger unit may be helped by hardware.
[14:52] <SpeedEvil> Or instead of a device which looks at a signal 90% of the time, as a conventional scope might - you can end up with a scope which shows you .01% of the time.
[14:52] <flibble> well you need somethng that samples and order of magnitude faster than the system you're analysing
[14:52] <FR^2> beaky: Nope, unless you're talking about a harddisk with it's own power supply
[14:52] <SpeedEvil> It's really not triggering alone which is the problem.
[14:52] <beaky> but I want to use my pi as a server
[14:52] <beaky> so I need a powered USB hub?
[14:53] <SpeedEvil> If you have a conventional scope - it may draw a million lines across the screen every second. To do this 'properly' digitally - requires you to process several gigapixels a second.
[14:53] <FR^2> beaky: in most cases, yes. unless your harddisk is an ssd.
[14:53] <flibble> beaky: Yes ideally, a HD can pull more current than the USB ports on the pi are likely to be able to supply
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[14:54] <FR^2> beaky: the raspberry pi itself is told to consume up to 700mA. And it can't provide a lot of power to its built-in usb connectors.
[14:54] <Bushmills> that's what you store samples in - albeit limited - memory for. processing those is post-processing, not necessary with sampling speed. necessary with display refresh speed.
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[14:55] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Tektronix-465-Dual-Twin-Channel-100Mhz-Oscilloscope-2x-Probes-Instructions-/190862383985?pt=UK_BOI_Electrical_Test_Measurement_Equipment_ET&hash=item2c7048db71
[14:55] <Bushmills> important is that triggering is good enough to catch the signal at the right spot
[14:55] <SpeedEvil> Bushmills: The problem is that you actually need to process that signal - unless you are happy solely with the trigger view a few hundred or thousand times a second.
[14:56] * Bushmills likes LeCroy DSOs
[14:56] <SpeedEvil> Bushmills: Glitch capturing for example can be essentially impossible using this approach.
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[14:56] <mervaka> got a tektronix mixed signal scope here
[14:56] <mervaka> bleedy lovely!
[14:56] <mervaka> does basic protocol analysis, too
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[14:57] <Bushmills> SpeedEvil: yes, for a portable device i'm happy with signal shape and amplitude. those devices aren't expected to be high speed glitch catchers
[14:58] <Bushmills> for measuring voltage drop over a resistor for determining current draw they'd be fine too
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[14:59] <SpeedEvil> Sure.
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[15:02] <Bushmills> for the workshop one may prefer a device which isn't blown off the table when opening the door causes a draft.
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[15:03] <FR^2> Any good online store that ships to germany and has some neat displays for use with the raspi? ^^
[15:04] <IT_Sean> FR^2: ...any shot that sells HDMI displays.
[15:04] <IT_Sean> *shop
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[15:05] <Bushmills> BenQ GL2450. reasonably cheap for its specs, at the "ich bin doch nicht blöd"-store
[15:07] <Bushmills> oh, you said "good store", not "good display"
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[15:09] <FR^2> bl�dmarkt. I'll have a look :)
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[15:09] <FR^2> 61cm diagonally? Far too big for use as a gps navigator
[15:10] <FR^2> I was thinking about up to 10 inches at max.
[15:10] <Bushmills> use a tablet
[15:13] <beaky> my raspberrry pi is pretty warm when I touch the big black chips
[15:13] <beaky> is that normal
[15:14] <IT_Sean> :p
[15:14] <IT_Sean> Yeah, that's normal. Warm to the touch is okay.
[15:15] <Bushmills> beaky: how long can you keep your fingers on them?
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[15:15] <beaky> forever
[15:15] <Bushmills> then don't worry
[15:15] <Mortvert> beaky - you never.. ever.. touch the hardware
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[15:15] <Mortvert> while it's running
[15:15] <beaky> ah what would go wrong?
[15:16] <Mortvert> Else you don't need your hands AND the hardware
[15:16] <Mortvert> static shock
[15:16] <Mortvert> boom, magic smoke.
[15:16] <beaky> ah I used to be afraid of ESD
[15:16] <Mortvert> you should
[15:16] <IT_Sean> beaky: if it's not hot enough to boil your flesh, it's not too hot.
[15:16] <Bushmills> actually, the danger is greater when handling an unconnected device
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[15:16] * IT_Sean touches Mortvert's hardwaarer
[15:16] * Mortvert calls in the party van
[15:17] <Mortvert> We have a perv over here.
[15:17] * IT_Sean hides
[15:17] <beaky> btw, which of the big black chips is the GPU?
[15:17] <IT_Sean> beaky: the GPU is part of the SoC, which is under the RAM
[15:17] <Bushmills> the about 2x2 cm one
[15:17] <IT_Sean> you can't see it.
[15:17] <beaky> the big one?
[15:17] <beaky> in BGA package
[15:17] <Bushmills> oh no less than that
[15:17] <beaky> the small one?
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[15:17] <Bushmills> more like 12x12mm
[15:18] <beaky> the one labeled "IC2"
[15:18] <beaky> or is it "IC3"
[15:18] <IT_Sean> beaky: There is a diagram of the components on the raspi website
[15:18] <beaky> ah
[15:18] <IT_Sean> on the FAQ page, i believe
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[15:19] <pksato> center chip are SoC+ram, other is usb hub controller+ethernet.
[15:19] <Katty> good morning folks!
[15:19] <Katty> i present to you, my raspberrypi project!
[15:19] <Katty> http://tinyurl.com/b5k3lt4 <- crittercam!
[15:20] <Mortvert> /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd measure_temp
[15:20] <Mortvert> temp=45.5'C
[15:20] <beaky> wow I am amazed
[15:20] <gryphraff> Output of the crontab jobs (including errors) is sent through email to the user the crontab file belongs to (unless redirected).
[15:20] <beaky> that they can fit a CPU, GPU, RAM, and various periprhery in that tiny black chips
[15:20] <gryphraff> That should have been prefaced by a "Crontab states"
[15:20] <pronto> http://raspberry.bagels.xxx/templog.php << i chart my rpi's cpu temp
[15:20] <donta> what are the best options for a android device to develope software (games) on? would the up coming udoo be a good option?
[15:20] <Bushmills> just a moment ago those were "big black chips"
[15:20] <FR^2> beaky: http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals#Power_Usage_Notes
[15:20] <Mortvert> pronto - .xxx? that had to cost fortune
[15:20] <pronto> Mortvert: *shrugs*
[15:21] <HonkeyGenius> SQUIRREL!
[15:21] <gryphraff> Where do I change that email address?
[15:21] <HonkeyGenius> on the critter cam
[15:21] <Bushmills> now those are "tiny black chips" :)
[15:21] <FR^2> b
[15:21] <beaky> :D
[15:21] <Mortvert> pronto - how'd you made that?
[15:21] <Katty> HonkeyGenius: yep (= and other critters too!
[15:21] <Mortvert> oh wait, php. I'll pass. :|
[15:21] <FR^2> beaky: And http://elinux.org/RPi_Hardware has an overview over the components and connectors
[15:21] <pronto> also(thats being hosted on the pi)
[15:21] <pronto> https://pronto185.com/blog/2013/02/14/raspberry-pi-gnuplot-temperature/ Mortvert
[15:21] <HonkeyGenius> php is awesome
[15:21] <beaky> so raspberry pis are the best web servers under 35 bucks?
[15:22] <davezZz> *only ?
[15:22] <Bushmills> oh, squirrels. among my favs
[15:22] <applegekko> does the 512 model have troubles with sql ?
[15:22] <Katty> Bushmills: i don't nkow why he's eating out of the bird feeder. that whole tray down there is his
[15:22] <FR^2> beaky: nope. I/O performance is pretty low.
[15:22] <Bushmills> i guess it is because it can keep its head up all the time
[15:22] <IT_Sean> Squirrels are bastids
[15:22] <Katty> but so cute!
[15:22] <IT_Sean> Yes
[15:23] <HonkeyGenius> i need to make a critter cam for the chipmunk that lives around my house
[15:23] <IT_Sean> But bastids
[15:23] <Katty> you can't look at those ears and resit them.
[15:23] <Bushmills> easier to monitor the surroundings
[15:23] <ricksl> i was forced to make a bird feeder that would shock squirrels
[15:23] <Bushmills> seems that towards the end it feels more secure and starts grabbing from the bottom
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[15:23] <Katty> ricksl: aww :< i would have just given them their own
[15:23] <ricksl> didn't kill them, but it got the message across.
[15:23] * Katty nods
[15:24] <ricksl> and put poison in it?
[15:24] <Katty> no. peanuts.
[15:24] <ricksl> good idea, owell hindsight now
[15:24] <Katty> or were they getting into the attic and such?
[15:24] <ricksl> no the point was to rid the yard of them, the two live wires that would complete the circuit were too far apart for a bird to touch, only squirrels when climbing on the top would bridge the connection
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[15:25] * Katty nods
[15:25] <Katty> bout all you can do then
[15:26] <ricksl> I just used one of the high voltage circuits from a bug zapper racket
[15:26] [BeMe VERSION]
[15:26] <ricksl> yeah we have a pretty bad squirrel problem, you wouldn't think that they would eat through a decorative pumpkin.
[15:27] <Katty> oh my, no.
[15:27] <Katty> but i keep ours pretty fat :/
[15:27] <Katty> they leave the garden alone.
[15:27] <Bushmills> Katty: http://scarydevilmonastery.net/snap/1372329408579935367d.png that's one of my catches. but not using raspberry. that was using CHDK on a canon a550
[15:28] <ricksl> it is neat though seeing saplings from the oak in the front popping up near the pine in the back
[15:28] <Katty> Bushmills: very nice!!
[15:28] <Bushmills> http://scarydevilmonastery.net/snap/1372329716907407349d.png setup visible here in the reflection
[15:28] <ricksl> heh birds, they just look like they shouldn't be able to fly when you look at them stationary
[15:29] <Katty> ricksl: thank goodness for hollow bones, eh?
[15:29] <Katty> Bushmills: i like it!
[15:29] <Bushmills> it wanted to get in, trying to do so for hours: http://scarydevilmonastery.net/snap/1372329850502326721d.png
[15:29] <ricksl> Na it just means if they break one it might never heal
[15:29] <Katty> Bushmills: shame that windows get dirty so quickly. had to wash the window again this morning
[15:29] <Bushmills> the camera took about 300 or 400 snapshots with it
[15:29] <Katty> aww poor dear. i wonder why it wanted in so badly
[15:29] <Bushmills> curiosity?
[15:30] <Katty> probably not. none of my birds ever want in
[15:30] <Katty> we see a lot over the course of a day. when the squirrels aren't hogging the feeder
[15:30] <Bushmills> (camera took snapshot when there was movement)
[15:30] <Katty> some of them run into the window tho ;)
[15:30] <Katty> not the brightest!
[15:30] <Katty> Bushmills: that's still a very neat project
[15:31] <Katty> Bushmills: i'm not familiar with that bird.... are you in the united states?
[15:31] <Bushmills> not really a project. simply putting DHCK on flash, and running the camera with it
[15:31] <Bushmills> CHDK
[15:31] <Bushmills> that's germany. a robin, aka redbreast
[15:32] <Bushmills> rather common bird here
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[15:33] <Bushmills> they get trusting quickly
[15:33] <Katty> ah right. we have Robins as well but they look a bit different
[15:33] <Katty> http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-y4ZJ9eQYdS8/T8Ukoc2gstI/AAAAAAAAAV4/HwaU0JszE8g/s1600/american_robin.jpg
[15:33] <Katty> i don't get Robins at the feeder. they prefer insects
[15:33] <Katty> but they're a common bird, seen often around the yard (=
[15:34] <Bushmills> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Robin
[15:35] <beaky> why is the raspberry pi called the raspberry pi?
[15:35] <Bushmills> "The larger American Robin (Turdus migratorius) is named for its similarity to the European Robin, but the two birds are not closely related"
[15:35] <Bushmills> migratory turds??
[15:35] <beaky> haha
[15:35] <Katty> lol
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[15:36] <IT_Sean> beaky: Thats covered in the FAQ, i believe.
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[15:36] <Bushmills> next time you see one, you can tell him "cheer up little fellow, you ought to carry your name with pride"
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[15:37] <beaky> its in the FAQ?
[15:38] <IT_Sean> I thought it was.
[15:38] <IT_Sean> It's somewhere on the site.
[15:38] <beaky> ah
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[15:39] <beaky> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2657 found it :D
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[15:39] <beaky> from one of the posts: 'In the early days of Home Micros, there were a number of "Fruit" named computers. Apart from Apple, Apricot and Tangerine spring to mind. Pi is said to be derived from the programming language Python, which was an early runner in suggestions for a suitable "official" language for the Raspberry.'
[15:40] <Bushmills> there was pi prime prime (P'') as programming ... "language" too
[15:40] <gryphraff> Don't forget the Bananna Jr.
[15:40] <Bushmills> brainfuck was modeled after it
[15:43] <Bushmills> rather, it extended it with character i/o
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[15:51] <t_dot_zilla> im looking to use my PI as a security system... anybody have experience w/ this? i see zoneminder and motion could work, im just wondering what are good cameras
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[15:53] <donta> t_dot_zilla: IP cameras
[15:53] <t_dot_zilla> why not USB?
[15:54] <Mortvert> because low framerate?
[15:54] <t_dot_zilla> i could do IP, but then I'd want to do POE
[15:54] <t_dot_zilla> okay
[15:54] <donta> t_dot_zilla: also it's not going to be a professional system... insurance might have an issue with it
[15:54] <t_dot_zilla> i'll get a POE switch
[15:54] <t_dot_zilla> dont care about insurance, this is just for me
[15:54] <t_dot_zilla> so IP is better than USB?
[15:54] <donta> t_dot_zilla: I haven't used usb cams with embedded systems before so isk
[15:54] <donta> *idk
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[15:59] <acovrig> Is there an add-on board or some method to plugging multiple tactile buttons to a single GPIO pin?
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[16:00] <SpeedEvil> acovrig: You can make a keyboard.
[16:00] <SpeedEvil> Connect n rows and m columns of buttons.
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[16:01] <Bushmills> sounds like something some would use an AVR controller, encoding keys into a protocol over single wire bus
[16:01] <SpeedEvil> The rows go to n GPIOs, set as input.
[16:01] <acovrig> SpeedEvil: how do I distinguish between the buttons?
[16:01] <SpeedEvil> The columns go set to pull-down only driver, and you pulse them sequentially
[16:01] <SpeedEvil> The row GPIOs have pull-ups enabled internally
[16:02] <SpeedEvil> So, if row 4 goes low when you pulse column 5, you know that that one key at the intersection has been pressed
[16:02] <SpeedEvil> Do you care about detecting multiple keypresses?
[16:03] <SpeedEvil> at once
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[16:09] <acovrig> no
[16:10] <SpeedEvil> Then the above works.
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[16:45] <Robbilie> heyho anybody here familar with servoblaster?
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[16:55] <t_dot_zilla> servoblast you in the eye
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[17:04] <netman87> hmm now i should have mining pool up and running
[17:04] <netman87> need to test little bit and then start rewriting it to fit my needs
[17:04] <t_dot_zilla> on the Pi?
[17:05] <netman87> not on pi :D
[17:05] <t_dot_zilla> go to #bitcoin then!
[17:05] <netman87> so where is rule that says i cant talk here about anything else than rpi?
[17:05] <t_dot_zilla> YES
[17:06] <netman87> read question again or put your input to /dev/null
[17:06] * Bushmills passes the popcorn around
[17:06] <IT_Sean> netman87: stop being a jerk. There is no 'on topic' requirement in #raspberrypi
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[17:07] <netman87> IT_Sean, thats what i was thinking
[17:07] <netman87> <t_dot_zilla> go to #bitcoin then!
[17:07] <tig|> bitcoin mining on the pi might take a while...
[17:08] <IT_Sean> oh... sorry.. .read across lines. :p
[17:08] <IT_Sean> t_dot_zilla: stop being a jerk. There is no 'on topic' requirement in #raspberrypi
[17:08] * Katty looks in
[17:09] <netman87> actually i was about to do testing on rpi, but my memory card isnt enough for bitcoind
[17:09] <t_dot_zilla> lol... i'll go back to #troll room
[17:09] <IT_Sean> Please do. >:|
[17:09] * ChanServ sets mode +o IT_Sean
[17:09] <Katty> awww.
[17:09] * tig| calls in the UN's special handbag ceasefire negotiation team
[17:09] <netman87> as blocks take about 9GB and i have only 4GB SD card
[17:09] * Katty gives IT_Sean and t_dot_zilla coffee
[17:09] <t_dot_zilla> just would be interesting to see someone mine on a rpi
[17:09] <Encrypt> netman87, donta would love speaking to you! :p
[17:09] * IT_Sean doesn't drink coffee, Katty
[17:09] <Katty> whatttt?!
[17:09] <Katty> oh well, more for me ^_^
[17:09] * t_dot_zilla drinks IT_Sean's coffee too
[17:09] * IT_Sean does not drink that putrid bean fluid
[17:09] <Katty> or... that hehe
[17:10] <Katty> IT_Sean: what /do/ you drink?
[17:10] <Encrypt> t_dot_zilla, Have you heard about the PiMiner?
[17:10] <netman87> t_dot_zilla, you have havent seen mining pi yet? there is few
[17:10] <donta> Encrypt: hey! you're on again!
[17:10] <Encrypt> Ya! :p
[17:10] <tig|> t_dot_zilla: I imagine it would be like that experiment that has been running for years involving drips of pitch
[17:10] <t_dot_zilla> no.. does it actually have the GPU to do it?
[17:10] <netman87> t_dot_zilla, http://minepeon.com/index.php/Main_Page
[17:10] <Encrypt> http://learn.adafruit.com/piminer-raspberry-pi-bitcoin-miner/initial-setup-and-assembly
[17:10] <Encrypt> Eh eh :D
[17:10] <donta> t_dot_zilla: are you looking to mine bitcoins on it?
[17:10] <netman87> http://hackaday.com/2013/06/23/turning-the-raspberry-pi-into-a-bitcoin-miner/
[17:10] <Katty> someone should use a raspberry pi to build a knitting machine
[17:10] <t_dot_zilla> meh... how long would it take to get ANY btc w/ a single rpi?
[17:11] <Encrypt> donkeybox, No, netman87 is.
[17:11] * donta just ordered over 100 ASICMiner USB units
[17:11] * Katty wonders how to accomplish a raspberry pi knitting machine
[17:11] <Bushmills> for mining, i'd consider using a GA144 CPU
[17:11] <t_dot_zilla> i mean i run my 24/7 and don't use it too often... it's basically used as a DLNA server
[17:11] <Encrypt> donta, Really!?!?
[17:11] <donta> Katty: make one! I'd be interested
[17:11] <donta> Encrypt: really really
[17:11] <Katty> donta: i don't even know where to begin
[17:11] <netman87> hi donta
[17:11] <Bushmills> 144 cores, about 100 GIPS. 700 mW at full load.
[17:11] <Encrypt> How much did it cost you?
[17:12] <Katty> donta: other than sticks.
[17:12] <donta> hey netman87, how's it going?
[17:12] <Encrypt> A very large amount of money I imagine...
[17:12] <donta> Encrypt: .99BT / unit
[17:12] <donta> *.99BTC
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[17:12] <Bushmills> katty, thread changer? for knitting patterns?
[17:12] <donta> Katty: do you kow how to knit?
[17:12] <netman87> donta, no much, did just got my private pool up. using software from others. going to test it soon and then slowly rewrite whole thing to suit my taste
[17:13] <donta> netman87: oh sweet!
[17:13] <Encrypt> donta, Could you appear as "online" please ? :)
[17:13] <Katty> donta: yes.
[17:13] <Katty> Bushmills: more like... /yarn/ but still
[17:13] <donta> Katty: there are some WW2 knitting machines you could work off of
[17:13] <Katty> donta: oh i don't use a machine...
[17:13] <Katty> donta: i use needles (=
[17:14] <donta> Encrypt: what do you mean, "appear as online"?
[17:14] <Katty> donta: but that'd probably be a good place to start! for sure
[17:14] <netman87> are you "away" ? :)
[17:14] * Katty eyes KiltedPi
[17:14] <Katty> KiltedPi: i like kilts...
[17:14] <donta> Katty: sweet! I enjoying knitting with needles too :)
[17:14] <Katty> donta: WOAH
[17:14] <Bushmills> those i know use a very pedestrian approach to enter patterns. using punch tapes, for eample.
[17:14] <Encrypt> donta, Thanks
[17:14] <Katty> donta: a fellow knitter!!!
[17:15] <Katty> donta: send a pretty picture of something you've made!
[17:15] <Encrypt> donta, BTW, I tried Bitcoin
[17:15] <Bushmills> i suppose interactive on-screen editing would be preferable
[17:15] <donta> netman87 Encrypt: I should be online?
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[17:15] <Encrypt> donta, But it uses my CPU & disk space too much for the moment
[17:15] <donta> Katty: oh, nothing much... just a few blankets and bags
[17:15] <Bushmills> but that means, it'd be "merely" interfacing the punch tape reader with some pi controlled output
[17:15] <Katty> donta: oh come now, i know how much work even a bag is
[17:16] <Katty> donta: let's see it!
[17:16] <donta> Encrypt: it shouldn't use your diskspace to mine?
[17:16] <t_dot_zilla> i want to use my pi for CCTV
[17:16] * IT_Sean asks Katty for a cup of tea instead of the putrid beanwater
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[17:16] <t_dot_zilla> i have 1TB external connected, i want to setup motion detector to record up to 3 days
[17:16] <Katty> IT_Sean: mmmm tea. are you a fan of adagio teas?
[17:16] <Encrypt> donta, By the way... bitcoin will never stop using disk space?
[17:16] <Bushmills> reminds me, i know of a model with optical readout too. penmarks on semi transparent paper.
[17:17] * IT_Sean opens his kitchen cupboard and shows Katty hsi selection of Adagio teas
[17:17] <Katty> wooo!
[17:17] * Katty raids
[17:17] <Encrypt> donta, Not to mine but with the original Bitcoin software
[17:17] <IT_Sean> !
[17:17] <IT_Sean> NO!
[17:17] <donta> Katty: Haha, I don't have any of my work with me right now, maybe tomorrow ;)
[17:17] * IT_Sean takes his tea back
[17:17] <Katty> IT_Sean: adagio is lovely, isn't it? don't worry i have my own collection hehehe
[17:17] <IT_Sean> MY TEA!
[17:17] <IT_Sean> I do enjoy the simplicity of just ordering it online and having it mysteriously appear at my door some time later.
[17:17] <arcanescu> HDMI to VGA cables work on the pi ?
[17:18] <Bushmills> at least some do
[17:18] <Bushmills> can't garantee that they all will
[17:18] <Katty> IT_Sean: what's your favorite? their vanilla chai is one of my favs
[17:18] <Katty> IT_Sean: make it with milk often.
[17:18] <IT_Sean> I prefer some of the fruiter blends. I have a lovely orange somethingorother in my kitchen at the moment
[17:19] <donta> Encrypt: the space bitcoin's blockchain requires will keep growing... if you are only using the client for a wallet, I suggest multibit which only stores the parts of the blockchain which your wallets require
[17:19] <Katty> blood orange?
[17:19] <IT_Sean> I don't recall, tbh
[17:19] * Katty nods
[17:19] <Katty> they do have a lot!
[17:19] <Encrypt> donta, There is no limit? (O.o)
[17:19] <IT_Sean> Indeed.
[17:19] <Katty> teaivanni is also good.
[17:19] <Katty> they have a teaivanni shop in a mall not too far from here. it wafts of goodness
[17:20] <Katty> donta: okie dokie.
[17:20] <Katty> donta: i'm working on a tardis plushie at the moment
[17:20] <arcanescu> Bushmills: have set the settings to hdmi 2 in the startup
[17:20] <arcanescu> would that still work? for hdmi to vga?
[17:20] <donta> Encrypt: every time a new block is mined the new transactions are added to the blockchain thus more transactions = more space required
[17:20] <Bushmills> depends on what you set. but yes.
[17:21] <Bushmills> if there's no hdmi output from pi, adapter will not work, of course
[17:21] <donta> Katty: Pictures or it isn't happening!
[17:21] <donta> :P
[17:21] <Katty> mmmk, sec
[17:21] <donta> yay!
[17:21] <Encrypt> donta, Ok... thanks :)
[17:23] <Katty> donta: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/25951554/2013-06-28%2010.22.12.jpg
[17:24] <Katty> donta: so far i have the top, bottom, light, and nearly 1 of the 4 sides done
[17:24] <netman87> Katty, make me raspberry pi cap :D
[17:24] <Katty> netman87: ha!
[17:25] <donta> Katty: Wow! Awesome! When do you think you'll be done with it?
[17:25] <donta> Katty: You should post it on instructables
[17:25] <Katty> donta: oh idk. several months probably. i knit primarily at work when On Hold with tech support :/
[17:25] <Katty> donta: i have a blog.
[17:25] <Katty> donta: i guess i could :/
[17:26] <donta> oh? would you mind sharing a link? I would love to see your other work!
[17:26] <netman87> donta, anyway i think my bitcoind is gonna work as nice relay :D 1gbps connection, 290MB/s read from hdd and 300MB/s write to hdd
[17:26] <Katty> donta: http://42ndknitstreet.blogspot.com/2013/03/wilfred-giraffe-for-henry.html <- my favorite project so far (photos at bottom)
[17:26] <Katty> donta: he was knitted for baby boy that was born just a few weeks ago
[17:27] <Katty> donta: not me, friends of mine
[17:27] <netman87> well actually that 300MB/s write is cached... actual full write is only 100MB/s i think. did test with 1GB file
[17:27] <donta> netman87: good stuff! How did you get a 1gbps connection?
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[17:27] <netman87> donta, vps... 2 of them. one at amsterdam and one at chicago
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[17:28] <donta> netman87: ah okay, I have about 2GB of cache that is 1GB/s... issue is when writting large files
[17:28] <netman87> i just have BW limit which is something between 4 and 8 terabytes
[17:28] <donta> netman87: oh nice, which host?
[17:28] <netman87> 30usd/month
[17:28] <netman87> vr.org
[17:28] <donta> Katty: that is super cute!
[17:28] <Katty> donta: ty (=
[17:29] <donta> Katty: have you ever though about selling some things?
[17:29] * donta would buy them
[17:29] <Katty> donta: i have thought about it, but decided against it. i don't want it to feel like a job.
[17:29] <Katty> donta: i get overwhelmed at the idea
[17:29] <donta> Hmm... I understand
[17:29] <Katty> donta: so instead i usually make things for people's birthdays, and for when they are expecting and such
[17:30] <donta> computers started out as a hobby when I was young... now it's a job... :/
[17:30] <Katty> donta: the jayne cobb hat was a bday present. along with the tardis laptop sleeve
[17:30] <Katty> donta: i kept ham and steve the stegosaurus.
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[17:31] <Katty> donta: i like computers, but it's not really a /hobby/
[17:31] <donta> ah okay
[17:31] <Katty> donta: but still, i understand hwo you feel
[17:31] <donta> Katty: obsession?
[17:31] <Robbilie> i am trying to control a servo with the pwm pin but the servo doesnt stand still, it is continously rotating :/ what am i doing wrong? are there common pitfals? any additional info you need?
[17:31] <donta> or work?
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[17:32] <Katty> donta: it's my job. i'm good at it
[17:32] <Katty> donta: i do enjoy them.
[17:32] <Katty> donta: but i don't usually tinker with them outside of work. except for crittercam obviously
[17:32] <donta> ah, okay what end do you work with?
[17:32] <Katty> vmware, microsoft servers mostly
[17:32] <Katty> buildilng clouds
[17:32] <donta> kk
[17:32] <Katty> not too good with hardware. what do you do?
[17:33] <donta> you travel a lot then?
[17:33] <Katty> just for training.
[17:33] <Katty> certs and what not
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[17:33] <Katty> since everything is virtual, i can do 99% of my job anywhere as long as i have internets
[17:33] <arcanescu> okay so meh now PIView is a hdmi to vga adapter ....
[17:33] <donta> I do IT consulting
[17:33] <Katty> donta: what's your consulting specialty?
[17:34] <Bushmills> a while ago i collected a few pictured of some more bizarre knitting projects, and put them there: http://scarydevilmonastery.net/knitting/
[17:34] * Katty looks
[17:34] <Katty> that's not all knitting
[17:34] * nid0 loves tinkering around with work's cloud hardware
[17:34] * IT_Sean blinks
[17:34] <Katty> some of that is crochet
[17:34] <Katty> but that's ok. close enough ;)
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[17:35] <donta> I tend to dabble in a little of everything... I have a background in pen testing (if you know what I mean) so I do a lot of security work... over the past 3 years however I have been focusing on mobile
[17:35] <bigx> Hi there pi and linux gurus!
[17:35] <tig|> at the risk of going off topic :) has anyone found a quick (as in speed) screen shotting utility that I can kick off via command line ?
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[17:35] <Katty> alan dart has some amazing stuff http://www.alandart.co.uk/product/dogs/
[17:35] <Bushmills> import
[17:36] <Bushmills> from imagemagick
[17:36] <SpeedEvil> donta: Oooh! How much do you charge for pen testing? I have a drawerfull here.
[17:36] <Katty> SpeedEvil: lolll!!!
[17:36] <donta> SpeedEvil: Lol! I went legit :/
[17:36] <Katty> donta: mobile does sure seem to be profitable now
[17:36] <tig|> Bushmills: oh feck I had forgotten about that, I have even used it before :( thanks :)
[17:36] <bigx> I've posted a question to unix.stackexchange about putting a raspberry into a Minitel, maybe you could help me: here is the question http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/81030/get-the-keycode-of-a-key-from-a-custom-made-keyboard
[17:37] <Bushmills> tig|: avocados are said to improve memory
[17:37] <FR^2> http://test.farsquare.de/dmesg.201306281735.txt <-- wireless usb dongle issue. Can somebody have a look and interpret? What's wrong? The dongle itself maybe? ^^
[17:37] <SpeedEvil> bigx: 'showkey'
[17:37] <donta> Katty: yeah, but it's changing so fast for me to even keep up with
[17:37] <Katty> donta: are you male or female? not that it matters, but your profession vs hobby makes me wonder.
[17:37] <Katty> donta: not that i should wonder. i mean look at my profession and hobby >.<
[17:37] <tig|> Bushmills: hurrah I shall make guacamole :)
[17:37] <Bushmills> yumm
[17:37] <Katty> mm guacamole.
[17:38] <tig|> now to see if export will capture the video overlay
[17:38] <donta> Katty: Haha, male
[17:38] <Katty> donta: strange to see a male knitting, but hey that's ok!
[17:38] <donta> weird hobbies I know
[17:38] <Katty> it's strange to see a female in IT, so i get it!
[17:38] <nid0> FR^2: are you planning on needing ipv6 support?
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[17:39] <donta> Katty: I was knitting since I was very young when my grandma tought me how, so I guess that's why I still do it
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[17:39] <donta> I find knitting relaxing and I can just forget about computers
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[17:40] <donta> much in the same way a lot of guys work on cars I guess...
[17:40] <FR^2> nid0: Not really, I didn't explicitly configure IPv6. Why?
[17:40] <RaTTuS|BIG> arg - waht is the arm board that has a 1GB NIC on board
[17:41] <Bushmills> there are several
[17:41] <nid0> beaglebone black uses gige doesnt it?
[17:41] <RaTTuS|BIG> name a couple
[17:41] <Bushmills> sorry, i read "1 GiB RAM"
[17:41] <RaTTuS|BIG> it's the NIC I need - [well not I but....]
[17:45] <bigx> SpeedEvil, thanks but it would only work outside a x session, any other idea?
[17:46] <SpeedEvil> bigx: Go outside of x session
[17:46] <bigx> SpeedEvil, :)
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[18:03] <technomancy> whoa http://pi.gadgetoid.com/pinout <3
[18:04] <netman87> donta, testing now on pool to be sure its working. for some reasons i just cant see whats going on :D
[18:04] <netman87> it doesnt log about new connections or shares...
[18:04] <donta> netman87: maybe ask in #bitcoin-mining?
[18:05] <netman87> i think ill just try first with netstats
[18:05] <netman87> or add my own logging to it
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[18:05] <netman87> or make mysql database to log shares
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[18:08] <netman87> hmm donta do you know any clients that will report well if they are connected to pool and if pool sends something?
[18:09] <donta> netman87: I only have used CGMiner, BFGMiner, and GUIMiner
[18:09] <netman87> oh im on rpcminer and minimal miner :D
[18:10] <netman87> minimal miner as its pretty easy to understand... program language
[18:10] <donta> k
[18:10] <netman87> hmm it seems like pool is accepting my shares
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[18:11] <netman87> wonder how long it will take to get one block with 70MH/s
[18:11] <donta> If you ask nicely Luke-Jr might provide you with documentation on BFGMiner
[18:11] <netman87> i have pretty easily readable codes already
[18:11] <netman87> for pool and miner
[18:11] <donta> It will take you probably a few years...
[18:12] <netman87> pool seems to work but its not well documented. ill just run there for sometime and start then rewriting it as C/C++
[18:14] <donta> netman87: do you still think you can optimise the miner?
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[18:15] <netman87> it isnt simple task to write own version. i think its best way to learn possiblities by reading source code in this case
[18:15] <netman87> so i cant say before i have done few more days
[18:15] <netman87> maybe week or two
[18:16] <flibble> why would you do any bitcoin mining on a pi anyway, these days it's pointless on anything less than ASICs?
[18:16] <donta> wow! that's still faster than I'd be
[18:16] <donta> flibble: ASICs connected to the pi
[18:16] <netman87> flibble, we havent said anything about pi. also pi is wonderful device for mining and ASIC's arent so wonderful atm
[18:17] <netman87> atm you can still get profit using GPU and FPGA
[18:17] <flibble> ah fair enough
[18:17] <t_dot_zilla> i want to use my pi for CCTV
[18:17] <t_dot_zilla> i have 1TB external connected, i want to setup motion detector to record up to 3 days
[18:17] <t_dot_zilla> ~take-a-number
[18:18] <netman87> soon GPU will not be any profitable, but i think that FPGA will be on game for long time
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[18:18] <netman87> less miners when hardware goes more expensive and more miners more difficulty
[18:19] <netman87> and when difficulty raises only bigger ones can survive so many miners will stop = difficulty goes down
[18:19] * flibble didn't think the difficult changed with number of miners, only number of coins mined?
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[18:21] <donta> flibble: changes with hashrate
[18:21] <Bushmills> compromising somebodie's machine and stealing the bitcoin wallet seems easier :)
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[18:21] <donta> netman87: what is the best way to update game clients on an mmo charecter's position?
[18:21] <Bushmills> on top, you leave more yet-to-be-mined bitcoins for others
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[18:22] <donta> should I push the data to the client, or pull from the sever?
[18:22] <donta> *server
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[18:22] <Bushmills> therefore stealing bitcoins is more altruistic than minding them yourself
[18:24] <netman87> donta, heh i cant answer to that. i think you should do serverside check which players are on range to be seen and send their movement data to client
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[18:25] <netman87> while client sends its own movement data to server
[18:25] <netman87> serverside could maybe have own cycle so it doesnt send them too fast
[18:26] <netman87> cycle for serverside math and so on.
[18:26] <donta> Wouldn't client side firewall ports have to be open for the server to push to the client?
[18:26] <netman87> that way you atleast know when server can idle and outgoing and ingoing rates stay somehow fixed
[18:27] <netman87> oh. i was thinking that client makes connections
[18:27] <netman87> connection can be kept up
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[18:27] <netman87> just send and receive packages
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[18:28] <arcanescu> On PI-Views techincal data sheet on farnell it suggests : "Note It is recommended that Raspberry Pi is powered by an external, mains power supply when Pi-View is connected and in operating" ...
[18:28] <arcanescu> how else is the pi connected if not through the mains? :/ ?
[18:28] <donta> netman87: oh good point
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[18:30] <nid0> arcanescu: battery? from a pc host?
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[18:31] <arcanescu> nid0: ummm okay, i meant power so how does it power through a pc host :/?
[18:31] <arcanescu> battery okay understandable
[18:32] <nid0> well, its suggesting that you directly power it via a wall-wart, rather than from a host pc, battery, or any other not-directly-from-the-mains source
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[18:38] <arcanescu> nid0: thanks
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[18:39] <Bushmills> powerbank background-charged from computer usb port is still ok
[18:40] <netman87> donta, have you readed any of sauerbraten source code?
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[18:40] <donta> netman87: No
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[18:40] <netman87> it can give you some nice tips for internal game cycles and network
[18:40] <donta> I'll take a look
[18:40] <donta> ty
[18:42] <netman87> basically it works like: sendpacket(client number (-1 to all), channel (different channel for file send and actual events), package type "iiis" (int int int string), event_id, player_id, target_id, "shotgun")
[18:43] <netman87> thats just example. weapons are actually also id
[18:43] <netman87> and message for shots should include from and to vectors as well
[18:44] <netman87> client usually also calculates how well it did hit and send list of hits and damage done by them. server could later have its own engine to calculate if they are true
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[18:44] <netman87> by true i did mean valid
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[18:45] <netman87> if client send movement as states server could also keep few packages for mismatch calculations
[18:46] <netman87> like: walking, location (x,y,z), aim/look (x,y)
[18:46] <netman87> walking could be also running, falling, jump or standing
[18:47] <netman87> sauerbraten may use "falling" for jumping
[18:47] <netman87> also i forgot to list "swimming"
[18:48] <netman87> if loaded map is same for multible players server could check if they are close enough to each other or just send them all
[18:48] <netman87> client should create temporary data for all players that are on range
[18:48] <netman87> you could maybe drop them "if no updates for X time"
[18:49] <netman87> and server could send their data like name and id and used player model when they come at range
[18:49] <netman87> for range i think little bit over "draw distance" should work
[18:50] <netman87> im not sure how much its possible to optimize communication with server and client
[18:50] <netman87> but atleast client should not try to draw players that are too far away
[18:51] <netman87> also if you are going to use multible maps. lets say north area and west area and so on
[18:51] <netman87> you could later even make it so there is different server for each
[18:51] <netman87> and actual loading screen should make your client change server
[18:51] <netman87> so it could also work as load balancer
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[18:52] <netman87> but im not game programmer.. atleast not yet. so you should make your own testing and study from some other projects
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[18:53] <netman87> if you need some server for testing out i can give you some for lightweight server side
[18:53] <donta> Interesting
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[18:54] <netman87> atm i have low ram vps on chicago which i could fully reset or just give access
[18:55] <netman87> my primary one at amsterdam have some use so i cant give you more than normal user access. also its not made for shell purposes so its not too secure so i need to be able to trust to ones i give access
[18:55] <netman87> ofc there is nothing important, but its still painful to reconfigure :D
[18:56] <netman87> but you can get pretty much okey one for 20-30usd/month anyways
[18:56] <netman87> if you need more than i can give
[18:56] <netman87> btw wanna see now my sauerbraten mods? :)
[18:56] <donta> I will probably run a local server until I get further with the project
[18:57] <donta> less to configure that way
[18:57] <netman87> yeah
[18:57] <donta> This is an interesting read about sending less data: http://forum.unity3d.com/threads/138758-Typical-bandwidth-usage-on-an-quot-MMOG-quot
[18:57] <donta> I would love to see your mods but I probably better finish up a project before lunch
[18:58] <donta> maybe this weekend?
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[18:59] <netman87> :(
[18:59] <netman87> i did ask like week ago for first time? :D
[19:00] <netman87> also it should pretty fast as im not about to play much. just to descript and show some mods. they are also all serverside made so you dont even have to download anything
[19:00] <netman87> except sauerbraten client ofc
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[19:01] <donta> Sorry man, I just really got to get this project out before the weekend...
[19:01] <netman87> maybe later. just tell me when you are free :)
[19:01] * donta is having a hard time focusing
[19:02] <netman87> i also lose my focus too easily. so i usually end up jumping from project to project and leave ones that start feel too hard behind me
[19:02] <netman87> or ones i began to feel boring
[19:02] <netman87> but sometimes i start doing something stupid and down even understand why
[19:03] <netman87> one time i was testing 3 axis gyro + accelometer
[19:03] <netman87> there was software to test it for windows... i ended up writing it by some parts... and porting it for linux
[19:04] <netman87> didnt use freeglut but opengl and didnt use premade teapot but did copy/modify object loader for opengl
[19:05] <netman87> and then did create car 3D model in supported filetype
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[19:05] <netman87> ... after doing it i just wasnt sure why i needed that all for testing it in linux
[19:05] <netman87> i had my laptop with windows 7 and desktop with linux
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[19:06] <netman87> also i didnt even backup it for somereason when i did change desktop to windows
[19:06] <netman87> well atleast i did learn something... maybe
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[19:08] <definity> Hi
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[19:09] <definity> I am trying to Install miniwheezy but i keep getting this error msg
[19:09] <definity> Entering kdb (current-0x4b35b2c243a, pid 1) due to keyboard entry
[19:09] <definity> what dose this mean?
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[19:12] <ShorTie> what cha mean Install ??
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[19:16] <definity> well copy the img to the sd card
[19:16] <ShorTie> using like win32diskimager ??
[19:17] <cairne> are you on windows?
[19:20] <definity> I'm on Linux Mint
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[19:20] <cairne> i find best way to add the images is with dd
[19:21] <definity> I have done that but I keep getting that error
[19:22] <cairne> whats the error?
[19:22] <definity> Entering kdb (current-0x4b35b2c243a, pid 1) due to keyboard entry
[19:23] <definity> It says it is unable to mount root fs
[19:23] <cairne> thats the error you are getting from dd or when you try and boot up?
[19:23] <definity> from the PI
[19:23] <cairne> what settings did you use when you did the dd command?
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[19:24] <definity> dd bs=4M if=~/Desktop/miniwheezy.img of=/dev/sdb2
[19:24] <cairne> dd bs=4M if=~/2012-12-16-wheezy-raspbian.img of=/dev/sdd sometimes i have luck removing the bs= part
[19:24] <definity> okay
[19:24] <definity> how can i find what filesystem my sd card use?
[19:24] <definity> df?
[19:25] <cairne> remove the card
[19:25] <cairne> yea run df before and after the card is in
[19:25] <cairne> should give you which one it is
[19:27] <definity> It don't say the filesystem
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[19:33] <ozzzy> they generally ship with fat32
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[19:35] <netman87> donta, smell something bad... because of you i ended up reading a lot about optimizing network from that thread/post
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[19:36] <netman87> definity, tell me command you used for dd
[19:37] <definity> dd bs=4M if=~/Desktop/miniwheezy.img of=/dev/sdb2
[19:37] <ozzzy> my SD card has a fat32 boot partition and ext4 linux partition
[19:37] <netman87> okey so you did it wrong?
[19:37] <netman87> definity, remove that 2
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[19:37] <netman87> dd bs=4M if=~/Desktop/miniwheezy.img of=/dev/sdb
[19:37] <netman87> image contains partition data
[19:38] <netman87> you need to use memorycard device. not partition
[19:38] <netman87> i actually didnt use bs=something
[19:38] <netman87> just dd if=image.img of=/dev/sde
[19:38] <netman87> where /dev/sde was my memory card
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[19:39] <netman87> that command will overwrite memorycard data including partition data
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[19:44] <definity> Hi can you say what you said agian my terminal crashed
[19:45] <Bushmills> definity: disktype is a nice utility for such things
[19:45] <pksato> see channel log, url is on topic. :)
[19:45] <Bushmills> you may need to install it, it's not coming preinstalled usually
[19:46] <definity> Okay thanks.
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[19:49] <definity> so before i take out the sdcard how do i remove it safly
[19:49] <definity> dose sync do it?
[19:49] <definity> does*
[19:49] <pksato> or wait some seconds
[19:50] <Bushmills> sync doesn't hurt. but usually, you'd unmount it. which also syncs
[19:50] <Bushmills> not from pi, you can't unmount it there, as it's in use
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[19:51] <definity> Sweet got it working. Thanks guy!
[19:51] <definity> guys*
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[19:51] <cairne> definity: do not add the 2 at the end
[19:52] <cairne> if your sd card is /dev/sdb2 just write as /dev/sdb
[19:52] <fosap2> I bount a lcd display very similar to this one: https://www.adafruit.com/products/797 (it's only 3.2" and not 2.2", the rest seems pretty much the same). I want to use it with the flexfb driver and wired it up
[19:52] <fosap2> But I can't find the "dc" pin. Does it have a alternative name?
[19:52] <definity> What did df show up the numbers at the end? was it the partitions on the SD card?
[19:52] <fosap2> It's not the vcc pin, right?
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[19:53] <cairne> definity: im not sure why it shows the 2 at the end but to correctly write with dd do not use the number at the end
[19:53] <cairne> dd will overrite any partition
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[19:54] <cairne> so make sure sdb is your sd card
[19:55] <pksato> fosap2: dont have doc of you display?
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[19:57] <fosap2> Not really. I have the scematic and docs about the display controller
[19:57] <fosap2> http://www.exp-tech.de/Displays/3-2--Widescreen-TFT-LCD-Screen-Module--ITDB02-3-2WD.html
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[19:58] <fosap2> I has the 8 bit data and 4 bit controll interface, but it seems they use one alternative name
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[19:58] <cairne> vcc is the power
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[19:59] <cairne> from the schematic it looks like 3v in
[20:01] <fosap2> yes. But I'm missing the 4th data control wire
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[20:02] <fosap2> could it be D_clk?
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[20:02] <Bushmills> dc -> data control. suggestive
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[20:02] <fosap2> not dc -> data clock?
[20:02] <pksato> fosap2: this display is no similar to adafruit/
[20:02] <Bushmills> anybody's guess
[20:03] <cairne> that schematic is horrible >.>
[20:03] <cairne> worse then itilian ones
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[20:04] <pksato> dc - Data/Command (sometimes called RS)
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[20:08] <KiltedPi> Whats a link to the latest raspbian images?
[20:08] <KiltedPi> I copied it down ages ago-
[20:08] <KiltedPi> But the link I've copied links here: http://www.linuxsystems.it/2012/06/raspbian-wheezy-armhf-raspberry-pi-minimal-image/
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[20:09] <plugwash> It depends whose raspbian images
[20:09] <KiltedPi> just the standard effor
[20:09] <KiltedPi> t
[20:09] <fosap2> pksato: bingo! What does rs stand for?
[20:09] <KiltedPi> Ones that are good with gordons libraries
[20:09] <pksato> KiltedPi: see download section on official raspberry pi site.
[20:09] <KiltedPi> I can't find them
[20:09] <KiltedPi> Yeah, righto.
[20:09] <pksato> fosap2: Request to Send?
[20:10] <plugwash> The raspberry pi foundation images are available from their download page, my images are available from http://plugwash.raspbian.org/images/ (though that is a temporary location and will move when I make them more official)
[20:10] <fosap2> thx
[20:11] <fosap2> the scematic sys 3V.
[20:11] <fosap2> I have 3V3 right here, that should not kill anything, right?
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[20:12] <plugwash> probablly ok though if you are paranoid you may want to check the datasheet of the chips on whatever it is you are hooking up
[20:12] <definity> How would i change the date of my pi?
[20:13] <definity> using the date command
[20:13] <KiltedPi> Too little power is never a problem
[20:13] <KiltedPi> It might corrupt an SD card-
[20:13] <KiltedPi> But too much power, will brick a pi
[20:13] <KiltedPi> ZAP!
[20:13] <ozzzy> shouldn't
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[20:14] <ozzzy> the polyfuse should open before the draw gets too high
[20:14] <Bushmills> what is "too much power" for a power supply?
[20:14] <SpeedEvil> ozzzy: It's not that simple
[20:14] <ozzzy> pretty much
[20:15] <ozzzy> the fuse is 750 hold 1100 trip
[20:15] <SpeedEvil> ozzzy: The protection diode doesn't begin to conduct significantly before 6.5V, and not fully before 7V or so.
[20:15] <SpeedEvil> ozzzy: the fuse may take several seconds at 1.1A to trip.
[20:15] <ozzzy> it may
[20:15] <SpeedEvil> 5.25V max.
[20:15] <ozzzy> the smd fuses trip a lot quicker than the thru-hole ones though
[20:16] <SpeedEvil> ozzzy: Err - not really - look at the datasheet. It takes a long time.
[20:16] <ozzzy> I have looked at a lot of datasheets....
[20:16] <SpeedEvil> Especially if the ambient temperature is cool.
[20:16] <ozzzy> I buy a lot of polyfuses
[20:16] <SpeedEvil> At best - exceed 5.25V by a lot - and it may not kill the Pi.
[20:17] <SpeedEvil> the protection circuitry is not really adequate to prevent damage from overvoltage.
[20:17] <ozzzy> a small crowbar circuit could fix that
[20:17] <SpeedEvil> Sure.
[20:17] <SpeedEvil> Or more sanely - a SMPS on the input.
[20:18] <KiltedPi> 494 mg?
[20:18] <KiltedPi> Thats quite big i think
[20:18] <KiltedPi> For Raspbian, no?
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[20:23] <netman87> lets see what happens. im doing dist-upgrade on server
[20:23] <netman87> squeeze -> wheezy
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[20:23] <ShorTie> good luck
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[20:24] <x7ewis> Hey guys, is anyone here?
[20:24] <IT_Sean> Nope
[20:24] <IT_Sean> Noone 'ere
[20:24] <x7ewis> Aww :(
[20:24] <x7ewis> I wanted to ask a question
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[20:24] <ShorTie> ZZZzzz...
[20:24] <IT_Sean> The 441 users you see logged into this channel are totally not logged into the channel, and are a figment of your imagination
[20:24] <IT_Sean> :p
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[20:25] <IT_Sean> what's your question, x7ewis
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[20:25] <IT_Sean> ?
[20:25] <KiltedPi> I'm definately not here
[20:25] <x7ewis> I'm new to using IRC, I've never really used them/learnt how. I'm on freenode's version at the moment, it's complicated...
[20:25] <x7ewis> My question is this:
[20:26] <x7ewis> I have followed this guide: http://www.stuffaboutcode.com/2012/06/raspberry-pi-run-program-at-start-up.html to make noip2 start on boot up, but I don't understand what it's actually doig
[20:26] <x7ewis> doing*
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[20:27] <x7ewis> I understand up until the guy says about 'update-rc.d'
[20:27] <x7ewis> What does that actually do? Is it a file that I can view or what?
[20:27] <IT_Sean> I'm not familiar with noip2, sorreh.
[20:27] <Bushmills> it places symlinks in the runlevel directories
[20:28] <Bushmills> those are /etc/rc?.d
[20:28] <x7ewis> Well it's more about how startup scripts work
[20:28] <netman87> all you need to know is that there should be ready solutions?
[20:28] <x7ewis> Ah okay, so my script will be symlinked into one of the rc? folders?
[20:28] <Bushmills> you may want to read about sysv init
[20:29] <Bushmills> that's what came up with this initialisation scheme
[20:29] <x7ewis> Okay, I sort of understand
[20:29] <Bushmills> yes. those links reference scripts in /etc/init.d
[20:29] <Bushmills> each rc?.d directory represent stuff to start and kill for each runlevel the system can work in
[20:30] <x7ewis> So scripts in /etc/init.d don't do anythig unless they are symlinked to /etc/rc?.d ? And 'sudo update-rc.d NameOfYourScript defaults' basically automates that?
[20:30] <Bushmills> an alternative is filerc, which does away with those rc?.d directories and puts everything into one file
[20:31] <x7ewis> That sounds easier
[20:31] <Bushmills> yes, that's about it
[20:31] <netman87> sudo cp script /etc/init.d/noip2; sudo update-rc.d noip2 defaults
[20:31] <netman87> no need to copy or symlink by yourself
[20:31] <netman87> sorry i mean no need to symlink
[20:31] <netman87> just copy script to init.d and use update-rc.d command
[20:32] <Bushmills> thanks for clarifying my point.
[20:32] <x7ewis> Okay, thanks I get it
[20:32] <netman87> Bushmills, sorry didnt read. i was checking debian package details
[20:33] <netman87> x7ewis, you may also want to search some knowledge about port forwarding if you want it to actually work
[20:33] <netman87> depends on your network configurations
[20:34] <x7ewis> He also says "If you ever want to remove the script from start-up, run the following command: sudo update-rc.d -f NameOfYourScript remove" I guess that just removes the symlink? Is there a way to check to see symlinked files or just a way to remember that it has been symlinked and that's the command I need to remove it?
[20:34] <Bushmills> right
[20:34] <x7ewis> Oh I know how to portforward, I have done that already
[20:34] <netman87> okey.
[20:35] <Bushmills> ls -l shows the targets of symlinks (along with other files)
[20:35] <netman87> Bushmills, can you help me? if my server broke on dist-ypgrade you can fix it up okey?
[20:35] <x7ewis> Everything works, it's just I'm a noob to all this CLI stuff
[20:35] <Bushmills> netman87: i have no idea because i don't know what broke
[20:35] <x7ewis> okay thanks for your help everyone
[20:36] <netman87> there is just apache2, mysql, python, perl, php5-cgi, suphp and few different game servers and so on :)
[20:36] <Bushmills> but squeeze to wheezy should be piece of cake
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[20:36] <netman87> yeah. im pretty sure it will overwrite my configs anyways
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[20:36] <Bushmills> nope
[20:36] <x7ewis> Just one last question, what IRC client would you suggest for Ubuntu? I don't like using this freenode site
[20:36] <Bushmills> you are prompted for replacing or not. in either case, stock or custom config are kept
[20:37] <netman87> usually dist-upgrade have made php5 work as apache module instead of using suphp and cgi
[20:37] <Bushmills> x7ewis: irssi is popular
[20:37] <netman87> and that security risk
[20:37] <x7ewis> @Bushmills okay I'll check it out, thank you
[20:37] <x7ewis> help
[20:38] <Bushmills> i use pidgin, because of small screen, and not wanting to have several windows for different IM protocols
[20:38] <netman87> also i like suphp as i dont need to modify chmod
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[20:39] <netman87> x7ewis, irssi is best one :) except that when i did install my first cli irc client it was "bitchx" which is pretty nice too
[20:39] <x7ewis> Meant /help haha trying to learn the commands on here. Ah I like pidgin, shame it's not installed by default on Ubuntu now. Can Empathy join IRC?
[20:39] <Bushmills> i think so
[20:40] <x7ewis> @netman87 okay :)
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[20:40] <netman87> hmm someone sells 8x2GB ddr2 fbdimm kit
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[20:40] <netman87> for 55eur including shipping and 2 quadcore xeons
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[20:41] <Bushmills> xeons are supposedly power hungry beasts
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[20:41] <netman87> yeah pair of 5400 series
[20:41] <netman87> so not too powerful ones
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[20:42] <Bushmills> good for winter when you can offset costs of heating with running a few CPUs
[20:43] <IT_Sean> >_<
[20:43] <IT_Sean> That is the LEAST efficient way to heat a room.
[20:43] <HonkeyGenius> hardly the least efficient
[20:43] <Bushmills> saves a bit, if they're running anyway
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[20:43] <ShorTie> jst turn on any new flat screen tv to heat room
[20:43] <ShorTie> just*
[20:44] <netman87> hmm didnt get them
[20:44] <netman87> someone did bid 52eur + 14e shipping
[20:44] <Bushmills> besides, converting electricity to heat is very efficient.
[20:44] <Bushmills> hardly any loss
[20:44] <netman87> i just wanted that ram
[20:44] <netman87> i have now only 4 channel configuration of 2GB FBDIMM DDR2 667MHz
[20:45] <netman87> also i have few quadcore xeons im not using
[20:45] <netman87> so i could have paid another workstation bare to use as linux server for testing purposes
[20:46] <ricksl> woo generated 200 shares in 3 hours!
[20:47] <Bushmills> my d525 atom is the most power hungry CPU in operation. other than that it's mips, ARM, all those low heat stuff which is bound to raise my heating cost next winter
[20:48] <Bushmills> english term is low dissipation, isn't it?
[20:48] <ricksl> I wonder how that new arduino would fare as a cluster controller
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[20:51] <KiltedPi> Okay!
[20:51] <KiltedPi> Going to get gordondrogons wiringpi working with the Max383... Thermistor
[20:52] <KiltedPi> got myself a whisky and ice
[20:52] <KiltedPi> and settled into my computer desk
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[20:54] <Gadget-Mac> Evening KiltedPi
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[20:57] * ozzzy checked his junk drawer.... enough parts for a crowbar circuit
[20:57] <ozzzy> with the SMPS feeding it.... the Pi should be well protected
[21:00] <mrneb> hi, I looking into using the PI to encode AAC and MP3 audio using the Broardcom VideoCore. So far drawing a blank searching on google on the forums. Anyone got some info to point me in the right direction please?
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[21:03] * Katty plops down and sighs
[21:03] <Katty> finally, a free minute
[21:05] <KiltedPi> k!
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[21:06] <KiltedPi> I've got a c library- gordons wiringPi lib.-
[21:06] <KiltedPi> To use it I have to #include <wiringPiSPI.h>
[21:06] <KiltedPi> Will that work with python gais?
[21:06] <KiltedPi> or only C?
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[21:08] <ozzzy> it's not a python library
[21:09] <KiltedPi> Yeah?
[21:09] <KiltedPi> I thought python could do C
[21:09] <ozzzy> you might be able to embed C
[21:09] <KiltedPi> Its not generating an error so far
[21:09] <KiltedPi> All I have is #include <wiringPiSPI.h>
[21:10] <KiltedPi> But, it loaded fine
[21:10] <ozzzy> to use it you're writing C anyway... so why bother with the Python
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[21:18] <KiltedPi> true!
[21:18] <KiltedPi> Here's what I'm operating from: https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/wiringpi/spi-library/
[21:18] <KiltedPi> I've got an integrated circuit set up to the GPIO
[21:19] <KiltedPi> Everythings okay I think-
[21:19] <KiltedPi> But I need to write the C
[21:19] <KiltedPi> How do i link to lwiringpi like it says on the URL
[21:19] <Katty> yay salon appt booked!
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[21:19] * Katty wonders what else she's forgetting to do
[21:20] <Katty> donta: crittercam project looks much better in the afternoon lighting. just fyi
[21:20] <Katty> donta: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/birdie-breakfast-buffet
[21:21] <KiltedPi> okay
[21:22] <KiltedPi> So I need to grab a compiler for use on me pi
[21:22] <KiltedPi> I'm going with G++
[21:22] <KiltedPi> Then I'm compiling this code. no need idea how to do that.
[21:22] <KiltedPi> I need to link it to a library too, so that will be fun
[21:23] <KiltedPi> I did an apt-cache search for G++
[21:23] <KiltedPi> no joy
[21:23] <JakeSays> KiltedPi: personally i prefer clang over g++
[21:23] <KiltedPi> Anyone know a good-
[21:24] <KiltedPi> Ah! Jake, you're a diamond.
[21:24] <JakeSays> KiltedPi: gcc
[21:24] <KiltedPi> Clang?
[21:24] <JakeSays> its gcc, not g++
[21:24] <JakeSays> not sure if clang is available tho. you may have to build it.
[21:24] <KiltedPi> I'll go with gcc then, ta
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[21:36] <Waynes> I am trying to connect my raspberry pi model b to my wlan router (I can reach it over lan/ssh), currently things are configured like this: http://pastebin.com/uQQ2HJzj and the pi does not associate with the access point. I am not even sure if this is the correct protocol. How do I figure this out?
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[21:41] <Waynes> Oh right, I am running wheezy.
[21:42] <Scriven> how are you testing it to know it fails?
[21:42] <Scriven> those files won't do anything automatically the way they're set up.
[21:42] <Scriven> have you booted and then done "ifup wlan0" as root?
[21:44] <Scriven> I was gonna look at my setup that I finally got working, but it got borked when my SD card went belly-up... let me check my backup.
[21:44] <Bushmills> wlan router probably supports dhcp - you could iface wlan0 inet dhcp rather than detailing those things yourself. i suppose your router knows better.
[21:44] <Waynes> yes, and it says "interface wlan0 already configured" (also the wlan stick began to blink which it did not do before adding the "network={...}" entry to wpa_supplicant.conf
[21:45] <Bushmills> i didn't put part of conf in wpa supplicant, instead i specified in interface:
[21:45] <Bushmills> allow-hotplug wlan0
[21:45] <Bushmills> iface wlan0 inet dhcp
[21:45] <Bushmills> wpa-ssid ...
[21:45] <Bushmills> wpa-psk ...
[21:45] <Bushmills> other setting default to what they should be in my case
[21:46] <Waynes> I tried that as well, but it pretty much looked the same as now (blinking but no connection)
[21:47] <netman87> its connected but you dont have ip address
[21:47] <Scriven> did you manually run dhcpc afterwards?
[21:47] <Waynes> regarding that "iface" thing, where do I do that? I tried it to run on pi and on my netbook and in both cases it said "command not found" and apt-cache does not show anything with that name
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[21:48] <Scriven> Waynes, I'll pastebin the version I finally got working.
[21:48] <netman87> Waynes, they are just for /etc/network/interface
[21:48] <Waynes> Scriven: Probably not, should I do that?
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[21:48] <netman87> Waynes, write this to console dhclient wlan0
[21:49] <Waynes> netman87: I don't think it is connected because in my router menu there is no pi listed, but maybe it does not display it because it has no ip?
[21:49] <Scriven> Waynes, http://pastebin.com/Ee2FqwcV
[21:49] <Scriven> Waynes, that's correct, no ip not connected.
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[21:49] <Scriven> and have you hashed the password for wpa_supplicant.conf?
[21:49] <Scriven> I found it worked better than plaintext.
[21:50] <netman87> Waynes, its connected but you havent made "handshake"
[21:50] <Waynes> Scriven: I tried, but hashed did not work, I'll try your link now
[21:50] <netman87> also i dont see reason to use wpa_supplicant.conf
[21:50] <Scriven> (funny observation: How busy the channel gets with the relatively simple questions that aren't rpi specific)
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[21:50] <netman87> its easier to just configure from one file
[21:50] <Scriven> netman87, when setup properly it allows roaming much easier and more securely.
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[21:51] <netman87> its same configs you use it or not
[21:51] <Bushmills> yes, using rpi as portable device :)
[21:51] <Scriven> although yes one-file configuration is easier for single ssid.
[21:51] <netman87> i was thinking that its single ssid in this case
[21:52] <x7ewis> Hey guys, just a quick question... again! I have setup lighttpd on my pi, and want to use python with it. I only know basic python, I can print and it outputs it, but any basic programs copied and pasted don't work, why?
[21:52] <Scriven> Waynes, as netman87 said for single SSID, wpa_supplicant is not required.
[21:52] <KiltedPi> if i "apt-get gcc"
[21:52] <KiltedPi> Will that be okay>
[21:52] <netman87> KiltedPi, it does nothing
[21:52] <KiltedPi> damn
[21:52] <Scriven> KiltedPi, you'll want "build_essential"
[21:52] <Scriven> IIRC
[21:52] <KiltedPi> Ah!
[21:52] <KiltedPi> Thanks gais
[21:53] <Scriven> there's a LOT more than just the compiler.
[21:53] <netman87> KiltedPi, apt-get install build-essential
[21:53] <Scriven> ah, - not _
[21:53] <Scriven> always get those mixed up. lol
[21:53] <Bushmills> x7ewis: because the scripts need to produce output which is cgi conform
[21:53] <KiltedPi> not there
[21:53] <KiltedPi> "Build-dep" is there
[21:53] <Bushmills> just output plain text alone won't do.
[21:53] <x7ewis> Bushmills how do I pm you like that?
[21:54] <x7ewis> Or is that public or what?
[21:54] <netman87> KiltedPi, what?
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[21:54] <Scriven> you just did by using his name x7ewis, if you want to private PM use: /msg NICKNAME MESSAGE FOLLOWS
[21:54] <KiltedPi> nm
[21:54] <Bushmills> you'd have Content-Type: first, then <!DOCTYPE ... >
[21:54] <x7ewis> Ah rght, I understand thanks
[21:54] <KiltedPi> "apt-get install gcc" brings up a list
[21:54] <KiltedPi> should be fine
[21:54] <Bushmills> only then should your html head start
[21:54] <Scriven> don't count on it.
[21:55] <x7ewis> How can you take input?
[21:55] <netman87> KiltedPi, you want anyways build-essential if you are about to compile something
[21:55] <Scriven> both my pi's are offline or I'd check myself if build-essential is there.
[21:55] <Bushmills> oh, and i think there must be an empty line between Content-Type and <!DOCTYPE
[21:55] <KiltedPi> whats the option i should go for then?
[21:55] <KiltedPi> I don't have that option
[21:55] <KiltedPi> Theres a list,
[21:55] <Scriven> KiltedPi, did you apt-get update yet?
[21:55] <Scriven> always do that first.
[21:55] <KiltedPi> Yeah
[21:55] <KiltedPi> Raspbian is up to date
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[21:55] <netman87> KiltedPi, command... i did give you full command...
[21:55] <x7ewis> Bushmills, all I did was paste the code from http://wiki.python.org/moin/SimplePrograms into a .py
[21:56] <netman87> its there. its always been there
[21:56] <KiltedPi> Oh!
[21:56] <KiltedPi> I thought "Build-essential" was like a sub part of it somehow
[21:56] <KiltedPi> its a command then!
[21:56] <KiltedPi> ta!
[21:56] <KiltedPi> hurr!
[21:56] <Bushmills> then you script also needs to be execute as cgi. i.e. webserver set up accordingly, and script placed in a dir where it will be execute
[21:56] <KiltedPi> Learn something new every day!
[21:56] <netman87> noo write "sudo apt-get install build-essential"
[21:56] <mgottschlag> no, it's a package o.O
[21:57] <x7ewis> Okay, is it safe to post pi ip address here?
[21:57] <netman87> should i start adding "-y" also so people dont ask too much :P
[21:57] <mgottschlag> and if it does not exist, you should really check that you are not running arch :D
[21:57] <KiltedPi> what has that got to do with installing gcc tho?
[21:57] <netman87> x7ewis, no we steal your pillow if you do so :)
[21:57] <mgottschlag> build-essential installs, gcc, c standard libraries and a bit more
[21:57] <Scriven> KiltedPi, there is far more to building software than just the compiler, as I said.
[21:57] <x7ewis> Okay, I guess that means it is netman87 ;)
[21:58] <Scriven> and they're not always flagged as dependencies of the compiler itself.
[21:58] <Scriven> netman87, lol
[21:58] <KiltedPi> Yeah
[21:58] <Bushmills> x7ewis: do you get "internal failure" trying to run your script?
[21:58] <KiltedPi> Build essential is already the newest version ta
[21:58] <x7ewis> Bushmills I get nothing
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[21:58] <Scriven> KiltedPi, then it sounds like you have gcc installed already?
[21:58] <KiltedPi> :)
[21:58] <netman87> x7ewis, if your ip starts with 192.168 or 10.0. its safe to post anywhere. if its not you should censor last digit like 32.56.124.x
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[21:59] <KiltedPi> Sounds like !
[21:59] <x7ewis> Bushmills is there a way we can talk on a different tab without the other chat getting in the way
[21:59] <Bushmills> though not sure whether lighttpd does the same. that's how apache complains about badly formatted cgi output
[21:59] <KiltedPi> :)
[21:59] <KiltedPi> I need to link it later, but i'm writing the test code now
[21:59] <KiltedPi> into gordons lib
[21:59] <Bushmills> you mean you hire me as personal consultant?
[21:59] <KiltedPi> wiringPiSPI or whatever.
[21:59] <KiltedPi> No idea how to do that lol
[21:59] <x7ewis> netman87 I was going to post my ip to show what I mean, my public one
[21:59] <x7ewis> Bushmills yeah;)
[21:59] <netman87> x7ewis, also your ip is we know it already
[21:59] <x7ewis> netman87 oh yeah shit..
[22:00] <Scriven> netman87, lol
[22:00] <x7ewis> is that bad?
[22:00] <Scriven> "placeholder page" FTW!
[22:00] <mgottschlag> quick, let's ddos x7ewis :)
[22:00] <Scriven> lol
[22:00] <x7ewis> -.-
[22:00] <Scriven> x7ewis, not necessarily, no.
[22:00] <KiltedPi> okie dokie!
[22:00] <x7ewis> Why does IRC display it publicly?
[22:00] <Scriven> most *nixes are started with much more sane defaults than others OS's.
[22:00] <KiltedPi> Wrote some test code-
[22:00] <Scriven> x7ewis, they don't all, but freenode does.
[22:01] <KiltedPi> When you create some code in leafpad-
[22:01] <KiltedPi> What should I save it as, to open it in G++?
[22:01] <x7ewis> So if I downloaded a client it wouldn't Scriven?
[22:01] <netman87> x7ewis, Rev 1: GB, H9, London, N/A, 51.514198, -0.093100, 0, 0
[22:01] <mgottschlag> x7ewis: it really doesn't matter, but is quite useful for banning/ignoring on irc :)
[22:01] <x7ewis> netman87 completely wrong;)
[22:01] <Scriven> x7ewis, depends on the client and your configuration of it. I think there are flags to hide it publicly, +x or +i, I can't remember.
[22:01] <netman87> x7ewis, no thats your ip data. not your home
[22:02] <netman87> ip is registered to london
[22:02] <Scriven> KiltedPi, text is fine, most C is saved as '.c' file, libraries as '.h' for header
[22:02] <KiltedPi> lovely!
[22:02] <netman87> Scriven, its +x in most networks
[22:02] <KiltedPi> Just use the default for unicode or whatver?
[22:02] <KiltedPi> UTF etc etc?
[22:02] <x7ewis> netman87 London is over 50miles away though haha
[22:02] <Scriven> ty netman87. I set them then forget them. ;)
[22:02] <Scriven> KiltedPi, I'd have thought so, not sure exactly.
[22:02] <x7ewis> How do I hide it now then?
[22:02] <Scriven> It's easy enough to change/fix if unicode causes problems.
[22:03] <KiltedPi> sure
[22:03] <Scriven> x7ewis, /mode x7ewis +x IIRC.
[22:03] <KiltedPi> okie! We're getting there guys
[22:03] <netman87> KiltedPi, in linux you can do unicode but its not supported so well. you need to do some testing for unicode
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[22:03] <KiltedPi> So far-
[22:03] <Scriven> but netman87 will certainly correct me, he remembers it better obviously. ;)
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[22:03] <x7ewis> Don't think it worked.. :(
[22:03] <KiltedPi> I've soldered a Thermistor integrated circuit up to the GPIO
[22:03] <KiltedPi> It uses the SPI protocol
[22:03] <Scriven> soldered to gpio?
[22:03] <KiltedPi> Ach!
[22:03] <KiltedPi> I'm not a complete numpty! :)
[22:04] <Bushmills> x7ewis: try this as template: http://scarydevilmonastery.net/myip.cgi
[22:04] <KiltedPi> Soldered to the IC
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[22:04] <Bushmills> script is http://scarydevilmonastery.net/myip
[22:04] <KiltedPi> The thermistor couplings are soldered to the Max3538.... Whatever it is
[22:04] <x7ewis> Bushmills where would that go?
[22:04] <netman87> x7ewis, okey tell me what you need help with and ill be sure to get it working.
[22:04] <KiltedPi> And single pin connectors connect the MISO/CEO etc pins to it
[22:04] <x7ewis> netman87 you mean because you know my ip? -.-
[22:04] <Bushmills> function htmlheader outputs the lead-in of a cgi script
[22:05] <netman87> x7ewis, because i thinks pretty well and i have some time to use
[22:05] <KiltedPi> Now! Is G++ an IDE?
[22:05] <mgottschlag> no
[22:05] <KiltedPi> like eclipse or whatever?
[22:05] <x7ewis> Bushmills I can get it to show text look 7pi.no-ip.org/hello.py
[22:05] <mgottschlag> g++ is commansd line only
[22:05] <KiltedPi> Okay. so what am I doing here. Heh
[22:05] <Bushmills> x7ewis: run it from command line, and you see the complete output
[22:05] <Bushmills> your python script should output something similar
[22:05] <KiltedPi> Cool. Its a compiler I run from CLI. GOt it
[22:05] <mgottschlag> possible IDEs are code::blocks, eclipse cdt, ...
[22:06] <KiltedPi> I like eclipse
[22:06] <x7ewis> Sorry, I'm so confused now :s
[22:06] <mgottschlag> I prefer KDevelop though, just a bit large
[22:06] <Bushmills> the first 3 or 4 lines are what is importantz
[22:06] <KiltedPi> I used NetBeans at uni
[22:07] <KiltedPi> quickly switched to eclipse
[22:07] <mgottschlag> I'd use a text editor + console first though
[22:07] <KiltedPi> And the error handling was beautiful
[22:07] <x7ewis> So you want me to take that script and put it into a .py file and try and visit it on the site?
[22:07] <KiltedPi> HOW THEY ALL LAUGHED
[22:07] <Bushmills> i suggest you take the script, and run it on your linux machine, to study the output
[22:08] <Bushmills> then you look at the output of running that script from the webserver, as above
[22:08] <x7ewis> On my pi or my laptop?
[22:08] <x7ewis> Oh okay
[22:08] <Bushmills> doesn't matter
[22:08] <KiltedPi> man o man
[22:08] <KiltedPi> G++ looks complicated.
[22:08] <KiltedPi> How do I just compile some code lol
[22:08] <KiltedPi> -S?
[22:08] <mgottschlag> g++ input.cpp input2.cpp -o output
[22:08] <mgottschlag> done
[22:08] <Bushmills> it's just a simple bash script outputting a bit of text
[22:09] <netman87> g++ source.cpp -o binary
[22:09] <Scriven> ah, .cpp for c++ files, not sure I knew that one. lol
[22:09] <Scriven> it's gcc tho not g++ IIRC.
[22:09] <Bushmills> no need for bash even, i suppose. sh should do
[22:09] <KiltedPi> hah!
[22:09] <KiltedPi> Not "Test.c" Then?
[22:09] <KiltedPi> "Test.cpp"?
[22:09] <KiltedPi> kk#
[22:09] <KiltedPi> for the filename i mean?
[22:09] <mgottschlag> KiltedPi: no, sec
[22:09] <netman87> Scriven, no its g++
[22:09] <mgottschlag> .c is C, .cpp is C++
[22:09] <Scriven> KiltedPi, that doesn't matter specifically, but cpp would be more appropriate for c++ 'stuff'.
[22:09] <mgottschlag> and for C you use gcc, for c++ g++
[22:10] <Bushmills> don't start discussion "style" :)
[22:10] <Scriven> mgottschlag, OIC!
[22:10] <mgottschlag> actually, g++ works for .c as well
[22:10] <Scriven> didn't realise that at all. (havent' done much ++ stuff obviously)
[22:10] <x7ewis> So that script is python or not? I just put it into a test.py and went to the page in my browser and nothing
[22:10] <mgottschlag> as well as gcc works for c++, but there are some weird side effects when you use the "wrong" one when linking
[22:10] <KiltedPi> I dunno whether my thing is c or C++
[22:10] <KiltedPi> #include <wiringPiSPI.h>
[22:10] <x7ewis> I can't remember how to run python scripts in the console :/
[22:10] <KiltedPi> Thats the lib I'm including-
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[22:10] <netman87> i dont actually like when people that arent sure they know it answer to others
[22:10] <KiltedPi> does that indicate anything?
[22:10] <mgottschlag> KiltedPi: wiringPi is C
[22:11] <netman87> its just more work for me if i need to help someone
[22:11] <KiltedPi> its gordons-
[22:11] <KiltedPi> kk!
[22:11] <Bushmills> that'S a bash script. it outputs text. any other language you use for cgi outputs text too
[22:11] <KiltedPi> Okay! We're getting there! Thanks you guys
[22:11] <mgottschlag> and C++ is like C, just with some extras, you'll find that line in both :)
[22:11] <Bushmills> no matter what language you use, the structure must always be the same
[22:11] <Bushmills> so ge your python script together such that it outputs something similar
[22:11] <Scriven> x7ewis: python script.py
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[22:11] <x7ewis> So thanks Scriven
[22:12] <netman87> if you have python3 and python2.6 you can use them both. some code can not work for both
[22:12] <x7ewis> print 'Hello World' works, but I think that's about it..
[22:13] <netman87> python3.1 or python3.2 and python2.6 or python2.7 are binary names on debian based systems.
[22:13] <KiltedPi> okay!
[22:13] <KiltedPi> looks good
[22:13] <Scriven> yay
[22:13] <netman87> there is also symlink for python which goes for python2.x
[22:13] <x7ewis> How would I make this work in a browser? "name = raw_input('What is your name?\n') print 'Hi, %s.' % name"
[22:13] <KiltedPi> I now need to link it to "-lwiringPi"
[22:13] <KiltedPi> how do i do that?
[22:14] <netman87> x7ewis, you may also need to install some librarys if you try more compicated python scripts/programs
[22:14] <ozzzy> it's in the gcc command-line
[22:14] <mgottschlag> just add that parameter
[22:14] <Bushmills> you'd need to use a form
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[22:14] <netman87> x7ewis, if you havent installed this try this out: sudo apt-get install command-not-found
[22:14] <Bushmills> where user can input stuff, then press a button, and it's sent to webserver. often added to the URL on the button
[22:14] <Waynes> Scriven, netman87: I tried your suggestions but it still "does not work", but now I have to sleep, thanks for everything :)
[22:15] <x7ewis> Bushmills so what is the point in being able to use Python on a webserver?
[22:15] <Bushmills> web server (i.e. script) needs to read that and act on it
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[22:15] <Scriven> Waynes, try looking at simpler, non-wpa_supplicant files to at least make the basics work.
[22:15] <Scriven> dooh
[22:15] <x7ewis> netman87 is that a joke?
[22:15] <Bushmills> the point? that you can programmaticly generate web pages
[22:15] <netman87> x7ewis, no im serious
[22:15] <Bushmills> that's the point of cgi in general
[22:15] <x7ewis> Bushmills isn't PHP better for that?
[22:16] <HonkeyGenius> x7ewis, the same reason people run php on a webserver
[22:16] <Bushmills> define "better"
[22:16] <KiltedPi> I can't find any reference to linking-
[22:16] <KiltedPi> in G++
[22:16] <ozzzy> you can do cgi in any language... C, PERL, PHP, Python,
[22:16] <HonkeyGenius> different strokes for different folks
[22:16] <KiltedPi> hmmm
[22:16] <ozzzy> KiltedPi: it's gcc
[22:16] <Bushmills> php does in principally nothing different
[22:16] <Scriven> x7ewis, no, that script won't work, as python itself doesn't have any way to 'ask' that question via the browser.
[22:16] <netman87> also you cant get input from browser for python... you need to do it in 2 parts... first you make site asking data. then in another you receive and test data and then redirect them to one asking code or print something as answer
[22:16] <Scriven> x7ewis, you need to have it output an HTML form that points to itself, in order to get information via www.
[22:16] <ozzzy> and it's added to the command-line.... l
[22:16] <KiltedPi> gcc* sorry
[22:16] <x7ewis> Well, I don't really know I've only just started learning PHP but it seems more like it's supposed to be used on the web than Python
[22:17] <Scriven> will have the same issues with both.
[22:17] <netman87> Scriven, no it can be something else than form
[22:17] <netman87> lets say GET variables
[22:17] <Scriven> netman87, got an example, I'd like to see that?
[22:17] <ozzzy> KiltedPi: something like gcc somefile.c -lsomelib -o output
[22:17] <Scriven> yes, but how does the user enter them?
[22:17] <KiltedPi> o ho!
[22:17] <KiltedPi> Gotcha
[22:18] <Scriven> other than url hackingg directly, netman87
[22:18] <ozzzy> just write an html form
[22:18] <Scriven> cause that's not the most user-friendly way of doing it, esp. for beginners.
[22:18] <Scriven> ozzzy, that's what I said. ;)
[22:18] <netman87> Scriven, i dont know python but: <a href="script.something?variable1=peruna">peruna</a>
[22:18] <Scriven> right, but that's not allowing custom input from user like his question.
[22:18] <netman87> and python should be able to read read array of varbiables
[22:19] <x7ewis> So in Python you would do something the equivilant of this:
[22:19] <x7ewis> <?php if (isset($_GET['name'])) { $thename= $_GET['name']; echo "<h1>Hello ".$thename."</h1>"; } else { echo "<form action='get.php' method='GET'> Enter your name: <input type='text' name='name' size='50'><br> <input type='reset' value='Clear'>&nbsp;<input type='submit' value='Submit'> </form>"; } ?>
[22:19] <Scriven> you can't put every name in the world as a separate html link.
[22:19] <KiltedPi> pastebin man
[22:19] <KiltedPi> AHGHHHH MY EYES
[22:19] <KiltedPi> :)
[22:19] <Scriven> x7ewis, something like that, yes.
[22:19] <Scriven> KiltedPi, lol
[22:19] <x7ewis> Sorry KittedPi haha
[22:19] <KiltedPi> i love pastebin.com
[22:19] <KiltedPi> Its a cracking wee website.
[22:19] <KiltedPi> Its got the maths format thingy too
[22:19] <KiltedPi> I forget... has an X in it
[22:19] <ozzzy> I never use it
[22:19] <KiltedPi> LaTeX?
[22:20] <Scriven> x7ewis, but python will probably not output the html header stuff properly as php does, it'll require you to do that too, as someone said earlier.
[22:20] <KiltedPi> ozzy, how do you communicate equations quickly without it!
[22:20] <netman87> x7ewis, well thats one way to do it. you should also check that message is longer than 2 characters. filter it from html special characters or escape it or both
[22:20] <KiltedPi> integrals and things
[22:20] <ozzzy> KiltedPi: I don't
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[22:20] <netman87> its really important to not print anything inputted by user without doing those
[22:21] <KiltedPi> You one of those 'HARDWARE' guys?
[22:21] <KiltedPi> With beards?
[22:21] <netman87> specially if you are working with database
[22:21] <netman87> KiltedPi, i dont have beard
[22:21] <KiltedPi> I meant ozzy :)
[22:21] <ozzzy> http://www.togastro.com/ozzzy/images/me1.jpg
[22:21] <KiltedPi> He doesn't need to communicate equations.
[22:21] <x7ewis> Okay okay, I'm starting to get it. How could I use this feature of my pi to help me learn python then?
[22:21] <KiltedPi> This means he sits with his soldering iron and cheesey snacks, cackling as he builds death rays
[22:22] <ozzzy> and it's a rework station
[22:22] <x7ewis> Hate being such a noob at all of this :(
[22:22] <ozzzy> =)
[22:22] <netman87> x7ewis, i would just download some examples and play with them over ssh instead of trying to use them for web pages
[22:23] <KiltedPi> learn python on your laptop mate!
[22:23] <KiltedPi> Or your home PC
[22:23] <x7ewis> netman87 haha okay, I guess I may as well just use codecademy.com
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[22:23] <netman87> codec?
[22:23] <Lordow> hi
[22:23] <x7ewis> KiltedPi I have learnt some, and I know some VB.NET as well from school
[22:23] <Scriven> x7ewis, what netman87 said, just learn python with cli or adafruit's thing, don't do websites yourself at the start.
[22:23] <KiltedPi> The Pi is cheap, so its for building robots, or to not worry about hacking into it as an adult, OR! To have a kid have his own computer to break and not worry about the cost
[22:24] <KiltedPi> dude!
[22:24] <KiltedPi> The pi is great for what is known as 'interfacing'
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[22:24] <KiltedPi> The wee pins on it can interface with anything you can imagine
[22:24] <netman87> hmm i need battery pack for my raspberry pi
[22:24] <KiltedPi> Why not get.. I dunno
[22:24] <KiltedPi> A tamagotchi?
[22:24] <KiltedPi> Plug it into the GPIO and hack it
[22:24] <x7ewis> The GPIO pins are far too advanced for me
[22:24] <KiltedPi> Or a toy big trak
[22:24] <KiltedPi> They aren't¬
[22:24] <Scriven> does a tama have those kinds of inputs?
[22:24] <KiltedPi> REALLY!
[22:24] <netman87> i know atleast one guy who did build quadrocopter over is raspberry pi... using wlan for life data from it :D
[22:25] <KiltedPi> One sec Scriven-
[22:25] <Scriven> netman87, wow, the latency must have made that fun...
[22:25] <x7ewis> Haha
[22:25] <KiltedPi> Let me introduce you to a beautiful engineering lady, who reverse engineered one
[22:25] <netman87> Scriven, what latency?
[22:25] <Scriven> or does he not 'drive' it over wifi?
[22:25] <netman87> its actually not slow
[22:25] <KiltedPi> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOJfUcCOhJ0
[22:25] <netman87> raspberry pi -> arduino
[22:25] <Scriven> I'd have thought wifi would be slower than 2.4Ghz RC radio
[22:25] <KiltedPi> Thats just something you could do
[22:26] <KiltedPi> The link is to a pretty dry engineering presentations
[22:26] <x7ewis> Just to see if it makes me feel any better... I'm hoping your all a lot older than me and therefore have a lot more experience with linux etc... I'm 17
[22:26] <Scriven> LOVE THE NAME. lol! "Many tamagotchis were harmed ... " LOL!
[22:26] <netman87> RC controller for manual driving and RPI wlan for information and possible video and GPS movepoints ;P
[22:26] <KiltedPi> she's so nervous too
[22:26] <Scriven> netman87, AH, ok, that makes more sense. ;)
[22:26] <KiltedPi> But she's gorgeous, AND smart
[22:26] <Scriven> I've been tempted to add the rpi to my RC Truck.
[22:26] <Scriven> but I'm not sure 'how' or 'why' yet, other than 'because I can, muahahahahaha'
[22:27] <KiltedPi> You absolutely could, Scriven
[22:27] <SpeedEvil> There needs to be a reason other than that?
[22:27] <KiltedPi> Use a model A pi
[22:27] <Scriven> KiltedPi, oh i know I can, but I need a reason for personal modivation.
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[22:27] <KiltedPi> You won't need loads of RAM with the model B.
[22:27] <KiltedPi> I KNOW!
[22:27] <KiltedPi> Not enough hours in the day is there!
[22:27] <KiltedPi> I'm supposed to be studying for my CCNA/CCNP
[22:27] <KiltedPi> At the moment
[22:28] <KiltedPi> But I've took a break.
[22:28] <ozzzy> why would you need any less than a Model A
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[22:28] <KiltedPi> A model B is very power hungry
[22:28] <KiltedPi> no good for mobile
[22:28] <Scriven> I'd want to stick with a model B just so I could plug my truck into the ethernet. ;0
[22:28] <ozzzy> what's that got to do with ram
[22:28] <KiltedPi> its the RAM
[22:28] <KiltedPi> NOM NOM NOM power
[22:28] <Scriven> "ssh driver@wraith" FTW
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[22:28] <ozzzy> pfft
[22:28] <KiltedPi> RAM is volatile memory
[22:28] <KiltedPi> meaning it always nom's power up
[22:28] <ozzzy> ram doesn't take much these days
[22:29] <KiltedPi> nom
[22:29] <KiltedPi> you don't need 512 mg to control an RC car was my original point-
[22:29] <KiltedPi> RIGHT! Another glen moray-
[22:29] <KiltedPi> Then back to coding
[22:30] <Scriven> I was thinking about putting in an APM2.5 in it (arduino-based autopilot)... but am not sure anymore.
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[22:31] <Scriven> for the rpi I'd need an interface board to drive servos directly...
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[22:31] <Scriven> newest overall picture (it's changed a bit since then): http://s1051.photobucket.com/user/Scurvy42/media/Axial%20Wraith/20130131-LeftSidewithnewHood_zpsd4223b4f.jpg.html?sort=3&o=6
[22:31] <SpeedEvil> Scriven: Pi can drive servos directly
[22:31] <SpeedEvil> Most servos, at least
[22:32] <Scriven> SpeedEvil, over gpio?
[22:32] <SpeedEvil> yes
[22:32] <gordonDrogon> evening.
[22:32] <SpeedEvil> http://pythonhosted.org/RPIO/pwm_py.html
[22:33] <SpeedEvil> It can do it without DMA - but is more limited
[22:33] <Scriven> evening gordonDrogon
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[22:34] <Scriven> cool, thanks for the link SpeedEvil...
[22:34] <SpeedEvil> Not mine alas :)
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[22:37] <Scriven> gordonDrogon, ever thing of writing an HID interface for the 4d systems ulcds, so their keyboard can be an rpi keyboard? ;)
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[22:42] <HG> ugh i just did sudo apt-get upgrade and now the pi is running full cpu and i can't ssh/vnc to it
[22:43] <KiltedPi> whats the c lib for standard printing|?
[22:43] <KiltedPi> std something or the other
[22:43] <HG> hopefully i just have to wait it out
[22:43] <HG> i can still ping the pi so that's promising
[22:44] <gordonDrogon> Scriven, I'd not know where to start.
[22:44] <gordonDrogon> KiltedPi, there isn't one.
[22:44] <Scriven> yeah, I've thought about it but don't know that either.
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[22:44] <KiltedPi> namespace std.
[22:44] <Scriven> Would be a cool advancement tho, HID 4d systems handler. ;)
[22:44] <KiltedPi> Found it
[22:44] <KiltedPi> iostream
[22:45] <KiltedPi> Just for in terminal, gordon
[22:45] <drkcodeman> is there a gpu compiler for the raspberry pi yet?
[22:45] <drkcodeman> for C++
[22:46] <mgottschlag> drkcodeman: you mean, for the videocore cpu?
[22:46] <drkcodeman> yes for the videocore gpu
[22:46] <mgottschlag> well, we have a somewhat working C compiler nowe
[22:46] <mgottschlag> -e
[22:46] <mgottschlag> also, #raspberrypi-internals :)
[22:46] <gordonDrogon> KiltedPi, printing has always been a bit of a dark art in unix. I always used to pipe data into /usr/bin/lpr
[22:46] <mgottschlag> let me look up a link to it
[22:47] <drkcodeman> i want to cut my compiling time down by utilizing my gpu and compile my server source so it will use gpu + cpu to run
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[22:47] <ozzzy> printing is a lot better now that 56 layers of abstraction have been dumped on it
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[22:50] <x7ewis> Anyone know any cool, but easy/quick things I can do with my pi on raspbian?
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[22:50] <mgottschlag> oh, drkcodeman, that won't work yet
[22:51] <mgottschlag> the compiler I know is for crosscompiling the other way round, to create GPU executables :)
[22:51] <drkcodeman> this coming anytime soon?
[22:51] <mgottschlag> no
[22:51] <drkcodeman> ;(
[22:51] <mgottschlag> certainly not, wouldn't make much sense either
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[22:52] <HG> i knew i should have made a backup of my sd card
[22:52] <mgottschlag> the GPU doesn't have much processing power for such a task, most of its processing power is only available for parallel execution
[22:52] <mgottschlag> it runs at 250MHz by default :)
[22:52] <Scriven> what about for bitcoin mining?!?
[22:52] <mgottschlag> and we know near to nothing about it
[22:52] * Scriven is joking...
[22:53] <Bushmills> x7ewis: you could donate it to "will it blend"
[22:53] <Scriven> Bushmills, LOLOL!
[22:54] <Scriven> I would be curious as to how slow it would mine tho, makes me wonder how long it would take to 'pay for itself' mining. lol 100 years? probably not even.
[22:54] <drkcodeman> that worksi was thinking of running gpu with cpu for doing compiling
[22:54] <KiltedPi> man iostream doesn't seem to work with gcc
[22:55] <IT_Sean> mining on a raspi, using the onboard processing, will never pay for itself. ever.
[22:55] <KiltedPi> Whats a good way to simply test.. hmmm
[22:55] <mgottschlag> iostream is C++
[22:55] <mgottschlag> printf is what you use for C
[22:55] <Bushmills> problem will be, after 10 years of unsuccessful mining, there'll be much faster devices, reducing the chance to get a hit, even more
[22:55] <drkcodeman> lol @ bitcoin mining with gpu and cpu
[22:55] <KiltedPi> Ah!
[22:55] <mgottschlag> but maybe you rather want to use C++ instead
[22:55] <KiltedPi> printf!
[22:55] <drkcodeman> always think of bad things to do with power
[22:55] <KiltedPi> That'll be why
[22:55] <KiltedPi> I've got print
[22:56] <KiltedPi> using the std libs
[22:56] <KiltedPi> thanks!
[22:57] <Bushmills> about the same problem when sending interstellar probes - the later you send them, the faster their initial speed could be, catching up with earlier sent probes soon
[22:57] <Scriven> IT_Sean, yeah I know CPU mining, I was talking gpu mining (of course!) ;)
[22:57] <Scriven> (and yes I know the answer is again "nevar")
[22:57] <KiltedPi> is this okay syntax "printf("");"
[22:57] <IT_Sean> the raspi, using cpu or gpu, will never pay for itself by mining bitcoins.
[22:58] <KiltedPi> Without the outer " obv
[22:58] <mgottschlag> yes
[22:58] <gordonDrogon> KiltedPi, it's ok, but achieves nothing.
[22:58] <Scriven> drkcodeman, yeah I know, can't help but think about it, after all 'fr33 money!!!' ....
[22:58] <KiltedPi> Whats this error mean, in simple terms "incompatible implicit declaration of built-in function 'printf' [enabled by default]"
[22:59] <KiltedPi> it won't output to my terminal, gordon?
[22:59] <gordonDrogon> KiltedPi, to be completely pedantic, you might want to use printf ("%s", "") ;
[22:59] <gordonDrogon> you're asking it to output a null string - there is nothing to output.
[22:59] <KiltedPi> oh!
[22:59] <KiltedPi> i know
[22:59] <KiltedPi> I was just posting for syntax
[22:59] <gordonDrogon> right.
[22:59] <KiltedPi> I get this error tho "incompatible implicit declaration of built-in function 'printf' [enabled by default]"
[22:59] <drkcodeman> I was thinking of using bitcoin on my website to dodge the new online tax laws
[23:00] <gordonDrogon> printf ("Hello, world\n") ;
[23:00] <gordonDrogon> KiltedPi, using gcc or cpp to compile?
[23:00] <mgottschlag> KiltedPi: that warning is because you have to include stdio.h first
[23:00] <KiltedPi> gcc yeah
[23:00] <Scriven> drkcodeman, lots of gov't's are reportedly moving to close that loophole quickly, or at least try to.
[23:00] <chithead> cpp does not compile, it is only the preprocessor
[23:00] <mgottschlag> KiltedPi: try to add "-Wall -Wextra" to your compiler line
[23:00] <gordonDrogon> chithead, doh - I really meant c++ :-|
[23:01] <mgottschlag> that catches some errors
[23:01] <gordonDrogon> but yes, mgottschlag has the answer - #include <stdio.h>
[23:01] <KiltedPi> oh! wow
[23:01] <KiltedPi> What did that just do? heh
[23:01] <KiltedPi> It told me what was wrong right away mgottschlagg
[23:02] <gordonDrogon> I've had a couple of pints of fermented apple product...
[23:02] <KiltedPi> i'm on my third Glen Moray gordon!
[23:02] <KiltedPi> Its friday!
[23:02] <KiltedPi> Whisky and PI!
[23:02] <chithead> if your wallet address is public, then the government can find out how much goes into it. a workaround would be to display a different wallet to each potential donor
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[23:03] <KiltedPi> the good thing is gordon-
[23:03] <KiltedPi> I've no conflict with your lib
[23:03] <KiltedPi> I'm having trouble with printing in std hahah!
[23:03] <KiltedPi> The GPIO/SPI interfacing is fine lol
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[23:04] <HG> has anyone done a sudo apt-get upgrade recently? it's taking forever and i can't ssh/vnc to it.
[23:04] <KiltedPi> where will it display tho?
[23:04] <KiltedPi> in terminal?
[23:05] <mgottschlag> yes
[23:05] <KiltedPi> I'm just using a simple print to test it
[23:05] <KiltedPi> how do i run the .exe that is made>
[23:05] <KiltedPi> from terminal then>
[23:05] <x7ewis> Sorry, forgot I had this open it wasn't beeping. I'm sure I'd earn LOADS by bitcoin mining -.-
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[23:05] <HG> not likely
[23:06] <mgottschlag> KiltedPi: cd into the directory, then "./yourprogram"
[23:06] <KiltedPi> build the southampton supercomputer with pi's you mean?
[23:06] <x7ewis> HG I did one yesterday, it took a bit longer than normal, but not that long
[23:06] <KiltedPi> thansk again!
[23:06] <KiltedPi> ITS ALIVE
[23:06] <KiltedPi> MuhauhauhAUHhuaUHUAHhuaHaU!
[23:06] <KiltedPi> ITS ALIVE
[23:07] <HG> frankenpi!
[23:07] * KiltedPi streaks his hands into the air, his hunched form from hours of programming casts a dark sillhoutte on a smokey computer desk!
[23:07] * IT_Sean thumps KiltedPi. Hey! No maniacal laughter!
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[23:07] <KiltedPi> I'm learning so much!
[23:07] <drkcodeman> lol @ super computer you are better off using a cuda enabled computer with a decent gpu to do that task for you :)
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[23:08] <KiltedPi> Yeah, Loads of graphics cards
[23:08] <KiltedPi> Lumped together
[23:08] <KiltedPi> Thats how pro's break SSL.
[23:08] <KiltedPi> loads of hashes
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[23:08] <mgottschlag> isn't bitcoin mining 90% asic these days?
[23:08] <chithead> gpus are so 2012. the fastest computer uses xeon phi
[23:08] <HG> oh well i guess it's about time i reformatted the sd card anyway
[23:08] <KiltedPi> gfx cards for the win
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[23:08] <KiltedPi> What you up to HG?
[23:08] <HG> quantum computing
[23:09] <KiltedPi> Whats your pi project?
[23:09] <KiltedPi> I've six folders at the moment.
[23:09] <KiltedPi> I'll list the names actually for the lols-
[23:09] <KiltedPi> one sec
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[23:09] <KiltedPi> PROJECT 1- L.E.D
[23:10] <KiltedPi> Project 2 - Thermometer SPI interface
[23:10] <HG> KiltedPi: don't really have a specific project. just relearning linux and doing some programming. but currently my pi is "apt-get upgrading" and won't let me ssh or vnc into it. 8(
[23:10] <KiltedPi> project 3 - lightning detector
[23:10] <KiltedPi> project 4 - pub quiz jammer
[23:10] <KiltedPi> and then I've loads of 'tools' folders i made
[23:11] <KiltedPi> You got Xming?
[23:11] <KiltedPi> Thats what i'm using to SSH
[23:11] <HG> i use putty
[23:11] <HG> for ssh and tightvnc for vnc
[23:11] <KiltedPi> putty and Xming for windows (on my pc)
[23:11] <drkcodeman> almost everyone uses putty
[23:11] <KiltedPi> yeah
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[23:11] <x7ewis> Use the terminal in ubuntu, it's so much easier just having it built in and there
[23:12] <drkcodeman> putty + tmux is what i use
[23:12] <x7ewis> love tmux!
[23:12] <HG> but when i try to connect with either one they just hang 8( i can ping the pi and it responds but that's about it.
[23:12] <KiltedPi> what does it say?
[23:12] <KiltedPi> Destination host unreach?
[23:12] <KiltedPi> Or ping successful out of 4 times?
[23:12] <HG> doesn't say anything
[23:12] <KiltedPi> it will, after a ping
[23:13] <HG> let me see
[23:13] <ShorTie> WinSCP here
[23:13] <HG> sent 4 received 4, 0 packet loss
[23:13] <HG> average 1ms
[23:14] <HG> i'm afraid to pull the power because i have a feeling it won't boot afterward which means i'll have to redo everything, but i guess practice is good.
[23:15] <ozzzy> I unplug mine all the time
[23:15] <HG> but while it's in the middel of an apt-get upgrade?
[23:15] <ozzzy> no... I try not to do it while it's writing
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[23:15] <x7ewis> Where you SSH'ed into it?
[23:15] <x7ewis> Or using a screen?
[23:16] <HG> i was vnc'd into it but the client was hanging to i killed it and tried to reconnect
[23:16] <ozzzy> I'm always ssh'd into it
[23:16] <HG> no dice
[23:16] <HG> now it doesn't respond to ssh or vnc
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[23:16] <HG> so it's doing "something". last i noticed in the terminal it was doing something to the bootloader
[23:16] <x7ewis> I swear if you close a VNC session it stops everything?
[23:17] <HG> shouldn't
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[23:17] <HG> x7ewis: your declarative statement ends in a question mark. not sure if you're telling or asking
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[23:19] <x7ewis> Haha, it's an uncertain statement
[23:20] <x7ewis> I just thought that last time I did something like that it always stopped
[23:20] <x7ewis> That's why I discovered tmux IIRC
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[23:21] <Bozza> Hey all
[23:21] <x7ewis> Hi :)
[23:21] <HG> vnc just lets you view the desktop remotely so if you shut off your vnc client the server computer should still be running just like it was.
[23:22] <x7ewis> Hmm, I may be getting confused with something else, I never really bother to use VNC as the GUI isn't really useful for much
[23:23] <HG> ok it's time to leave work. guess i'm just gonna unplug it and see if it'll boot.
[23:23] <HG> i'm betting it won't
[23:23] <x7ewis> I'll bet that it will!
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[23:24] <mgottschlag> Bozza: and, success? ^^
[23:24] <x7ewis> So it's your Pi, but you just took it to work? Why didn't you just vnc into it from work and leave it at home?
[23:24] <mgottschlag> (with your power supply stuff)
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[23:24] <Bozza> mgottschlag: sort of! I am about to boot up the pi! :)
[23:25] <Bozza> mgottschlag: but I did it slightly differently
[23:25] <HG> i took it into work because we were going to see if you could control one of our conveyor belt systems with it.
[23:25] <Bozza> I bought a bunch of stuff. Including a regulator that puts out 4.98v-5.02v@1A
[23:25] <ozzzy> is it still running
[23:26] <x7ewis> Oh right fair enough!
[23:26] <x7ewis> Have you tried booting it?
[23:26] <HG> wow it booted and i'm vnc'd in. crazy
[23:26] <x7ewis> Haha knew it would work :)
[23:26] <Bozza> mgottschlag: but I also bought a powered USB hub. And that needs 5v@2.5A
[23:27] <HG> i thought for sure that unplugging during apt-get upgrade while it was doing something to the bootloader would have irreparably damaged the image
[23:27] <Bushmills> depending on what you plug into that hub
[23:27] <Bozza> So I just got too tired with that build in power supply. Removed it . And plugged in the hub instead!
[23:27] <HG> anyway thanks for the optimism x7ewis
[23:27] <HG> time to go home!
[23:27] <HG> l8rs
[23:27] <Bushmills> the hub alone needs next to nothing
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[23:29] <x7ewis> Haha cya
[23:29] <Bozza> Bushmills: my PSU has 24v,12,5.7,3.3 and 2.5 outputs
[23:29] <Bozza> 5.7v can be turned into 5 with a regulating module
[23:30] <Bushmills> needs a low drop regulator
[23:30] <ozzzy> stick a 1n400x in...... that'll cut your 5.7 to a usable number
[23:30] <Bushmills> even under load?
[23:30] <Bozza> Yes i got a module that should work... However what will I connect the USB hub into? That needs 5v at 2.5 amps
[23:31] <Bushmills> 4 devices, pulling 500 mA each
[23:31] <mgottschlag> heh, the voltage drop of 1n400x is too large at 1A, I had a look at the datasheets some days ago when the issue came up :)
[23:31] <Bozza> Bushmills: will have a look at the documents for the part I bought in a sex
[23:31] <Scriven> can't the usb be hooked into the lowered-to-5V too?
[23:31] <Bushmills> if power supply drops by 0.5 volt under load, there's no way the regulator can compensate for that
[23:32] <ozzzy> maybe not a 4000... find a diode that drops .6 to .7v
[23:32] <x7ewis> You know so Bushmills!
[23:32] <mgottschlag> ozzzy: yeah, and I suggested one, don't really know, but the voltage drop isn't constant enough
[23:32] <x7ewis> much*
[23:33] <Bushmills> nah. you want a regulator
[23:33] <mgottschlag> *don't really know which one
[23:33] <Bozza> Scriven: that's what I thought! The lowered 5v will work at 1 amp, the hub is powered by a 2.5amp adapter.. Not sure if it will work
[23:33] <ozzzy> something based on an LM2576
[23:33] <ozzzy> feed it the 12V
[23:33] <Scriven> only 1A lowered? that's not enough.
[23:33] <Scriven> not enough for both anyway.
[23:33] <Scriven> it'll power the hub 'itself', and the rpi, but as soon as you plug a device into hub it'll cause problems AFAIK
[23:34] <Bushmills> is it a linear regulator, or a switching regulator?
[23:34] <Bozza> Bushmills: give me a sec. Getting the schematics
[23:35] <Bushmills> i figure you got an 7805
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[23:35] <Bushmills> a linear regulator
[23:35] <Bushmills> cheap and omnipresent
[23:35] <Bozza> You are a magician
[23:35] <Bozza> lol that's what they gave me..
[23:36] <Bushmills> you'll need a heat sink when running it from 12 volt
[23:36] <Bozza> L7805CV
[23:36] <Bozza> No from 5.7V
[23:36] <Bushmills> not good
[23:36] <ozzzy> nope... you want at least 7ish for a 7800
[23:36] <mgottschlag> 2-3 days old: "<mgottschlag> I mean, lm7805 also does not work"
[23:36] <ozzzy> er... 7805
[23:36] <mgottschlag> okay, the lm was a bit off, but...
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[23:37] <Bushmills> from 12 v it will have to dissipate about 3.5 watts when pulling 500 mA from it ...
[23:38] <Bozza> Will it work plugged into the 5.7v output?
[23:38] <mgottschlag> no
[23:38] <Bushmills> your energy balance will be: about 40% power by pi, about 60% by regulator turned into heat
[23:38] <mgottschlag> 78xx needs at least 2V difference
[23:38] <Bozza> I plugged in the USB hub instead because I was afraid I was doing something wrong
[23:38] <mgottschlag> yeah, the usb hub is the best option
[23:39] <Bozza> mgottschlag: damm that's the exact question I asked the guy .. He said it would be fine .. Argh
[23:39] <Bushmills> ideally you'd use a low drop switching regulator
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[23:41] <mgottschlag> Bozza: in the datasheet, that value is noted as "dropout value" btw
[23:41] <mgottschlag> and, while 78xx is a linear regulator, it isn't exactly a low dropout one (LDO regulator)
[23:42] <mgottschlag> *dropout voltage
[23:42] <Bushmills> 5V Output Voltage, 2V Dropout Voltage,
[23:42] <Bushmills> http://www.rapidonline.com/electronic-components/l7805cv-5v-1a-voltage-regulator-st-47-3290
[23:43] <Bozza> mgottschlag: ahh ok
[23:43] <Bushmills> that means, the power supply may not drop below 7 volt under load.
[23:43] <Bushmills> that may be 7.5 or even 8 v when idle
[23:43] <mgottschlag> actually, another datasheet even says 2V-2.5V
[23:43] <ozzzy> the LE50 is low dropout... but I don't think they make them up to 1A output
[23:44] <ozzzy> yeah... I wouldn't feed an LM7805 less than 7.5V
[23:44] <Scriven> and would need at least 3A to make lots of ports on usb hub usable.
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[23:45] <ozzzy> http://goo.gl/rQ26y
[23:46] <Bozza> But 12v is too much heat?
[23:46] <Bushmills> depends on current your draw
[23:46] <Bozza> Hmm it gets complicated because I also need to power the USB hub . I think I will just stick the USB hub
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[23:52] <ozzzy> 12V in... 78L05 and a TIP42c pass transistor.... all the current you'll need
[23:53] <Scriven> 100A!
[23:53] <Scriven> ;)
[23:53] <Scriven> for my RPI-powered lawn mower + quad copter.
[23:53] <Scriven> (actually, some of the quad copters use more A than that, frighteningly enough)
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[23:54] <Scriven> and the 3d planes as well.
[23:54] <ozzzy> might need a slightly bigger transistor then
[23:55] <Bushmills> won't change anything about heat dissipation as long your still using linear regulation
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[23:56] <Bushmills> a 100 A transistor developes same amount of heat than a 3 A transistor
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[23:57] <Bozza> Aright booting pi for first time :) need to find right hdmi channel on receiver. :) excited
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[23:58] <drkcodeman> hmm Bitforce SC (ASIC)
[23:58] <drkcodeman> wonder if it would be worth it
[23:59] <drkcodeman> Scriven: thats what you need for your bitcoin mining
[23:59] * Bushmills imagines the makers think "shall we use them for mining, or will our profits be higher if we sell them off"

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