#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2013-06-30

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[0:20] <cave> hi, is here a Raspbian package Builder Maintainer?
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[0:23] <rikkib> Alex Bradbury
[0:23] <rikkib> https://github.com/asb
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[0:39] <jdpond> Chetic: you still here?
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[0:42] <jdpond> you may want to try #> shutdown -p now
[0:42] <jdpond> This shuts off the computer and possibly avoids the disk corruption (probably a cache issue)
[0:43] <jdpond> Note: THis "powers off" the computer. You have to unplug, then plug it back in to get it to start.
[0:44] <ozzzy> or short P6
[0:44] <ozzzy> =)
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[0:47] <SpeedEvil> The Pi cannot be powered off in hardware
[0:47] <SpeedEvil> (Included hardware)
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[0:51] <chithead> if you have a usb hub which supports per-port power switching, then you can use it to power the pi and also turn it off
[0:52] <chithead> turning it back on will be tricky though
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[1:52] <Skullclown> so my RPi is running, node.js server is working, but I can't connect via SSH? it still worked yesterday, so it this common? do I need to pull the plug?
[1:52] <Skullclown> everything works except for SSH/SFTP
[1:53] <Tickle> Did the local IP change?
[1:53] <Skullclown> Tickle: nope
[1:53] <Tickle> Usually 192.168.1.x
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[1:53] <Tickle> What's it say when you run the ssh command?
[1:53] <Skullclown> Tickle: using Putty, just stands there with a black, open window.
[1:54] <Skullclown> it hasn't timed out either, so it looks like it's connecting but not receiving any response
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[1:55] <Tickle> Can you type command onto the Pi physically?
[1:55] <Skullclown> Tickle: no :) headless
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[1:56] <Tickle> Restart it (pull the plug) and see if it fixes it if you can't SSH
[1:56] <Skullclown> I was hoping for a better alternative than pulling the plug
[1:56] <Skullclown> but I guess I'll just have to do that :)
[1:57] <Tickle> There is much else you can do, other than plug in a keyboard and a monitor
[1:59] <Skullclown> since the node.js server still responded, I'll code in a shutdown/restart cmd via node.js
[1:59] <Skullclown> that being said, SSH is back and working
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[1:59] <Skullclown> (after pulling the plug)
[2:00] <nsgn> goodevening. i've got my pi set up and running my little project perfectly. next question is how do i configure it for as short a boot time as possible now that i know what i'm needing it to do and there are (possibly?) parts of the system i no longer need consuming startup time?
[2:01] <nsgn> already doing the obvious; class 10 card, latest firmware, etc. just curious what else might be practical to do within linux for startup
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[2:01] <Skullclown> nsgn: set memory split for GFX as low as possible, disable x server on startup
[2:01] <Skullclown> these 2 things are done via raspi-config
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[2:02] <nsgn> Skullclown, never had X enabled - everything i'm doing is headless. i'm default on gfx split and x being off
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[2:02] <nsgn> but i imagine by default the gfx split is still moderate?
[2:02] <nsgn> i'm getting into raspi-config now to see
[2:02] <[Saint]> 64MB default
[2:02] <Skullclown> nsgn: it's rather on the high side compared to 16 :) but yes, there is enough memory not to slow down your system running default OS
[2:03] <Skullclown> if you need all the memory you can get, set it to 16
[2:03] <Skullclown> if not & it's headless anyway, still set it to 16
[2:04] <nsgn> yeah my application is not memory intensive at all. python talking via a serial cable
[2:04] <nsgn> but i've set it and rebooting
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[2:05] <Skullclown> what're you controlling via serial if I can ask? :)
[2:05] <nsgn> Skullclown, my car :)
[2:05] <nsgn> to give a more realistic answer, it's an ELM OBDII interface. i'm polling my car for data
[2:06] <[Saint]> seems like an expensive, over-the-top, and time consuming (yet fun) way to do it.
[2:07] <nsgn> really? what is a cheaper way to send info from my car's brain to a screen in my house than a pi, a usb wifi adapter i had in a spare parts bin and a $12 OBDII adapter from amazon?
[2:07] <nsgn> not the world's most useful project, but that's where the fun part comes in!
[2:07] <[Saint]> ...got an Android phone?
[2:07] <nsgn> but i'm pretty convinced this is about the cheapest approach to do it reliably
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[2:08] <[Saint]> BT ODBII adapter, android phone.
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[2:08] <nsgn> i don't have a droid, but even so the hardware to interface with it is not quite as cheap and the software on it is wonkier than straight up running python on the pi
[2:08] <Datalink> you could use bt or wifi with a phone
[2:08] <Bozza> Sick and tired of openelec
[2:08] <Bozza> Such a crappy image
[2:08] <Bozza> I can do better :)
[2:08] <nsgn> my issue with mobile phones, and i have done many a goofy project with them, is that they don't tend to be as aggressive in their wifi connectivity
[2:08] <Datalink> Bozza, grab a Raspbian image?
[2:09] <[Saint]> Bozza: we will be eagerly awaiting your contributions, then.
[2:09] <Bozza> Datalink: I will either do that or make my own image
[2:09] <nsgn> the pi and this usb stick latch on real quick - which is good since the project only has from the time i get half way down my driveway from the time i stop the car and turn it off in the garage to get a wifi connection and transmit data to my server
[2:09] <Bozza> [Saint]: :)
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[2:09] <Bozza> What shall I call it? The BozzPi?
[2:09] <Bozza> :)
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[2:10] <[Saint]> nsgn: ...get a better phone ;)
[2:10] <nsgn> well if i'm buying hardware i'm pretty sure the pi is then cheaper :D
[2:10] <nsgn> i've always wanted an excuse to stuff a pi up under the dash and give my car wifi
[2:10] <nsgn> so i had to go out and find one
[2:10] <[Saint]> I admit my solution assumes you have the hardware (the phone) to begin with. But, this BT ODBII dongle+Android combo is the "usual solution".
[2:11] <nsgn> yeah. i'll agree i see more people doing it that way
[2:11] <nsgn> but i see most of those people using it for periodic use. to check up on their car every once in a while
[2:11] <[Saint]> And you get an always on connection as a plus side, because...hey, data is cheap these days.
[2:11] <nsgn> i need something that boots when power is applied and quickly gets to work on wifi
[2:11] <nsgn> much harder to convince a phone to do that
[2:11] <[Saint]> the phone would be connected anyway.
[2:12] <nsgn> ha. not where i live. when i pull in my garage people know i've gotten home cause calls go bye bye
[2:12] <[Saint]> and it'll change to wifi just as quicly, if not quicker, than the pi would.
[2:12] <[Saint]> (as you pull in the drive)
[2:13] <nsgn> i'm sure i could watch netflix on the droid at the same time too, but the pi is working great in this situation as is
[2:13] <Datalink> Bozza, could work
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[2:14] * Datalink tinkers with making a LibreOffice autoplay setup for a PP messageboard
[2:14] <Datalink> got it down to the LibreOffice launch command, then I have to prevent LibreOffice from having a cow when the device looses power
[2:15] <Bozza> Datalink: :) yea maybe .. Sounds weird to use my handle for an OS . But maybe cause I have seen my handle too much
[2:15] <Datalink> Bozza, very likely
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[2:17] <Bozza> I will log on here one day and people will be asking me hey bozza how is bozza coming along ? Haha
[2:17] <Datalink> hm, overclocking hasn't yet raised the 'waranty void' flag, using the turbo
[2:17] <Datalink> Bozza's Boss Pi image...
[2:18] <Bozza> Haha that sounds good! :)
[2:18] <Datalink> okay, ratpoison's like... someone took screen and made it work for X11 o.o
[2:18] <Datalink> which is good, as it's the perfect wrapper for what I need to do
[2:20] <technomancy> sweeeet https://mobile.twitter.com/technomancy/status/351124460188880896?p=v
[2:20] <nsgn> i missed the first half of the conversation. what will this greatly named bozza's boss image be for?
[2:21] <nsgn> Datalink, funny you bring up screen. that's what i'm using right now to fool around with this vehicle link
[2:21] <Bozza> It will be a fast xbmc for the pi
[2:21] <Datalink> nsgn, hey, it works, it works
[2:21] <Bozza> nsgn: because openelec pisses me of :)
[2:21] <nsgn> Bozza, cool
[2:21] <Datalink> technomancy, that your clock?
[2:21] <technomancy> Datalink: yeah, just finished wiring it up
[2:21] <nsgn> Datalink, indeed it does. better than the things i tried first. screen just worked
[2:22] <Datalink> nsgn, yeah, KISS prevails, it's why I'm happy Ratpoison's fitting the bill for what I need for this presentation thing
[2:23] <Datalink> when I'm done, I should be able to clone the image, rename the device and finish wttntvthing1 and wttntvthing2 without too much trouble
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[2:42] <KiltedPi> Hey
[2:42] <KiltedPi> Sup gais.
[2:43] <KiltedPi> I compile some code with a BASH command-
[2:43] <KiltedPi> using gcc
[2:43] <KiltedPi> But, I was wondering, in simple terms, what it did-
[2:43] <KiltedPi> I basically wanted to know how to run my compiled code in terminal
[2:43] <ShorTie> with a ./
[2:43] <KiltedPi> And someone in #raspberrypi said to do this (in BASH) "./a.out"
[2:44] <KiltedPi> Thats the one! ShorTie
[2:44] <ShorTie> so you did like a gcc -o myprog myprog.c
[2:44] <KiltedPi> I tried googling the ./a
[2:44] <KiltedPi> Sure did
[2:44] <ShorTie> so now you do a ./myprog to run it
[2:44] <KiltedPi> code works fine too incidentally, streamed the 14 bits from the thermocouple I soldered to the GPIO of my pi.
[2:45] <KiltedPi> a .
[2:45] <KiltedPi> Ah. that explains the lack of assistance from google
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[2:46] <KiltedPi> Whats the switch called?
[2:46] <KiltedPi> A URL with a desc is fine, but its hard to google something when you dunno exactly what it is hurr
[2:48] <plugwash> i'm not sure I understand your question
[2:48] <plugwash> ./ means the current directory
[2:48] <KiltedPi> What is "a ."
[2:49] <ShorTie> yum yum, blue berry apple pie
[2:49] <KiltedPi> Ah! okay!
[2:49] <plugwash> a.out is the default output file name for the C compiler
[2:49] <plugwash> (you can set the output file name with -o)
[2:50] <KiltedPi> So the 'a' switch wasn't BASH, it was the gcc compiler?
[2:50] <KiltedPi> Oh
[2:50] <KiltedPi> I'm being so dense. lol
[2:50] <KiltedPi> I understand.
[2:50] <KiltedPi> All I did was open the file, but from inside terminal
[2:50] <KiltedPi> I'm very new to BASH. Can you guess?
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[2:53] <KiltedPi> Wall and wExtra were switches I used too.
[2:53] <KiltedPi> They were pretty cool, and helped me debug the code better
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[2:58] <[Saint]> you'll eventually learn to hate Wall
[2:58] <flibble> Werror
[2:59] <[Saint]> When it starts crying about things that are technically perfectly fine that you needed to add to work around other annoying compiler bugs :)
[2:59] <flibble> that's what you need :)
[2:59] <[Saint]> "commit: silence annoying error from compiler insanity"
[3:01] * ka6sox-away is now known as ka6sox
[3:05] * Xark notes -Wextra is the real "whiny" option. :)
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[3:08] <bilboquet> hi, it will great if someone can give me a way to fix my bug during the boot.
[3:08] <bilboquet> i'm trying buildroot.
[3:08] <bilboquet> boot stop after :
[3:08] <bilboquet> [ 3.502624] bcm2708_spi bcm2708_spi.0: master is unqueued, this is deprecated
[3:08] <bilboquet> [ 3.592820] bcm2708_spi bcm2708_spi.0: SPI Controller at 0x20204000 (irq 80)
[3:08] <bilboquet> [ 3.685624] bcm2708_i2c bcm2708_i2c.0: BSC0 Controller at 0x20205000 (irq 79) (baudrate 100k)
[3:08] <bilboquet> [ 3.806996] bcm2708_i2c bcm2708_i2c.1: BSC1 Controller at 0x20804000 (irq 79) (baudrate 100k)
[3:08] <bilboquet> you can see my past -> http://pastebin.com/CibpziCb
[3:09] <bilboquet> if you have any ideas ! thanks
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[3:40] <nsgn> linux advice needed: i need a script on my pi to try and run every 5 seconds. cron seems not so capable of this. ideas?
[3:41] <nsgn> it's just a doofy python script that runs for about 2 seconds
[3:41] <pksato> ?
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[3:42] <pksato> make you python script to do loop every 5s
[3:42] <nsgn> pksato, indeed i can do that, but i'm a bit afraid of the script or python bailing if it is doing this for hours. seems more reliable, though agreed not the most efficient, if something just runs the script on the desired interval
[3:43] <pksato> or watch -n 5 you_script
[3:43] <piney0> nsgn, http://pastebin.com/w3Nesnv3
[3:43] <nsgn> hmm. not familiar with watch. *googles*
[3:43] <piney0> thats every 10 seconds in a bash script
[3:43] <nsgn> piney0, hmm. i guess we can assume that's pretty safe? or if python throws an exception will it halt the bash script?
[3:44] <piney0> 10 seconds + time it takes for app to run*
[3:44] <nsgn> sure. that's fine. doesnt have to be on the dot
[3:44] <nsgn> for this use at least
[3:44] <piney0> it won't halt the script if there is an exception
[3:45] <pksato> both run every 5s after end of script run.
[3:45] <nsgn> awesome. one more dumb linux question. what would be the preferred way to make that bash script start with the pi even if i don't log in?
[3:45] <pksato> quick, put command on /etc/rc.local
[3:46] <piney0> ^^
[3:46] <nsgn> basically doing here what should be done on an arduino but its being done on a pi because of the easier/cheaper wifi pi provides :)
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[3:46] <nsgn> cool. i will give it a try right now. thx
[3:46] <pksato> for more complete way, use init.d script, use /etc/init.d/skeleton as reference.
[3:47] <nsgn> well, here's where it gets interesting. with watch set to 5 seconds i tried it and it ran a grand one time
[3:48] <nsgn> even though if you run my python script on its own at the command line it cleanly quits after just about 2 seconds
[3:48] <nsgn> watch is still running...but the script never ran more than once
[3:48] <nsgn> wait
[3:48] <nsgn> i stand corrected. the script is indeed running every 5 seconds. i can see it hitting the server. but it only gave output one time
[3:48] <nsgn> is that..usual?
[3:49] <pksato> watch have option to run a more precise time.
[3:49] <nsgn> if so, cool i guess. i just expected when watch itself stayed on screen and gave output from the first run that it would continue to give output from the subsiquent runs
[3:49] <nsgn> pksato, no its running on time. i was confused. it just isnt giving output to the console for anything other than the initial run. but that isnt the end of the world, just different than i expected
[3:50] <pksato> try. watch -n 5 date
[3:50] <nsgn> pksato, it also only outputs once, the first time
[3:51] <nsgn> however since my script's purpose is to basically touch a timestamp on a server i can see it was indeed running every 5 seconds as intended. just not giving output any time other than the first. just the same as date
[3:51] <nsgn> not a big deal in use. would possibly be helpful for testing if it didnt act that way..but not the end of the world
[3:52] <pksato> show updated date every 5 watch -t -n 5 date
[3:52] * Datalink glares at libreoffice... "it's not starting the powerpoint... ugh"
[3:54] <nsgn> pksato, cool. thx
[3:54] <\\Mr_C\\> any ideas on how to make the raspi camera stand up, home items?
[3:54] <nsgn> added to my rc.local and rebooting. we'll see if it works as it should without any input now :)
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[3:55] <[Saint]> Thanks, lazyIRC. ThlazyIRC. ;)
[3:55] <nsgn> \\Mr_C\\, when in doubt i use legos
[3:55] <\\Mr_C\\> hehe, dont have any of those
[3:55] <nsgn> now depending upon how awesome your home is you may or may not have legos around
[3:55] <[Saint]> (one Internet awarded for getting the reference)
[3:55] <nsgn> awh shucks
[3:56] <nsgn> pksato, score. upon coming up the pi joined the wireless network and is running my script every 5 seconds, successfully showing on server as it should. all without anything being done. thanks a bunch for the help. this project is nearly done!
[3:56] <nsgn> would probably be less confusing if the time on my web box wasnt off by 4 minutes -_-
[3:57] <[Saint]> ntp, yo.
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[3:57] <nsgn> yeah yeah. on it
[3:58] <\\Mr_C\\> im looking everywhere in the house for something to hold it up
[3:58] <nsgn> why the heck that doesnt come built into most distros already on like it does on many other OSes beats me
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[3:58] <\\Mr_C\\> cable is to flimsy to stand it straight up
[3:58] <nsgn> \\Mr_C\\, you are either massively uncreative or live in a super super boring house
[3:58] <\\Mr_C\\> exactly both
[3:58] <[Saint]> blu-tak?
[3:58] <[Saint]> tap?
[3:58] <[Saint]> *tepe, even
[3:59] <[Saint]> Grrrrr!
[3:59] <nsgn> \\Mr_C\\, you can seriously build stuff like that out of anything. have printer paper and tape?
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[3:59] <[Saint]> **tape
[3:59] <nsgn> fold it a few times, cut it or tear it a few times, tape it. done
[3:59] <\\Mr_C\\> yes
[3:59] <\\Mr_C\\> oh, like a triangle
[3:59] <[Saint]> Get your origami on, yo.
[3:59] <\\Mr_C\\> ?
[3:59] <nsgn> \\Mr_C\\, tubes, actually. strong
[4:00] <nsgn> roll it into tubes and cut them up and make little braces
[4:00] <nsgn> use tape at the joints
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[4:00] <nsgn> because i had legos as a kid is exactly why A) i learned to think like this and B) there are still legos within an arm's reach of me right now at my desk for exactly this reason :)
[4:00] <nsgn> super rapid prototyping with legos ftw
[4:01] <[Saint]> also, minfigs.
[4:01] <[Saint]> can't forget minfigs.
[4:01] <[Saint]> Every LEGO project needs a minfig project leader.
[4:03] <nsgn> forget nintendo. my kids are going to have buckets of legos. it's what my parents gave me as a kid and i can't thank them enough for it
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[4:03] <nsgn> well i pretty much hate lenovo. i love my thinkpad tablet 2 but holy god does the keyboard they offer for it suck
[4:04] <nsgn> it just randomly disconnected while i was in mid stroke on the keyboard and the letter M got inserted into this chat box so many times i crashed the IRC client
[4:04] <[Saint]> Lenovo is the only manufacturer of laptops that doesn't suck.
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[4:04] <nsgn> [Saint], i have a love/hate with them
[4:04] <nsgn> this is the finest piece of portable computing i've ever used...except this god dang keyboard
[4:04] <nsgn> it disconnects at least 3 to 4 times a day in mid use
[4:05] <nsgn> bluetooth was the stupidest way they could have done it. it attaches to the effing tablet. the tablet has an effing plug right on the bottom. it should have, you know, plugged in
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[4:05] <nsgn> every review of the TP Tablet 2 will read about the same way. amazing tablet, hoooorrrible mistake with the keyboard
[4:05] <nsgn> *sigh*
[4:06] <[Saint]> convertible tablets are still very much a weird, novelty, niche.
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[4:06] <[Saint]> Lenovo is good at what they know.
[4:06] <[Saint]> And they know Thinkpads.
[4:06] <nsgn> [Saint], yeah, but a few are darn good
[4:06] <[Saint]> ~
[4:06] <nsgn> the stuff acer and hp are making in the category is total trash
[4:07] * IT_Sean <3s his thinkpad
[4:07] <nsgn> i had a ms surface. cool stuff, but a bit limiting because of RT. passed it to the wife who loves it and go me the TP tablet 2. it's amazing. thinner than the Surface RT, runs full windows 8 pro, and runs 10 hours of screen on on a charge
[4:08] <nsgn> *got me
[4:08] <[Saint]> IT_Sean: ...you 2 it?
[4:08] <[Saint]> :)
[4:08] <IT_Sean> hmm?
[4:08] <[Saint]> <3
[4:08] <nsgn> ?
[4:08] <[Saint]> nvm.
[4:08] * IT_Sean faceplams
[4:08] * IT_Sean loves his ThinkPad
[4:08] <[Saint]> :)
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[4:09] * nsgn loves his thinkpad but hates lenovo for their keyboard decision
[4:09] * [Saint] has a hard time calling that thing a thinkpad.
[4:09] <nsgn> it was also mildly annoying to get all excited about the Windows 8.1 preview release only to find my thinkpad on the very short list of computers NOT supported at this time
[4:09] <[Saint]> Its branded as such, but, I feel it kinda taints the sanity of the brand.
[4:09] * IT_Sean is is glad he got his right before they started in with that new keyboard
[4:10] <nsgn> although intel is more to blame for that for not having drivers ready in time
[4:10] <nsgn> alright, brb. time to take my car for a drive to see if when i pull back into the driveway everything happens automatically with the onboard pi!!
[4:11] <[Saint]> you just wanna drive ;)
[4:11] <IT_Sean> ^ that
[4:11] <[Saint]> Taking wireless down'd do the same thing.
[4:12] <nsgn> ha. it's more about seeing if it will pair up and get a transmission off in the time window between picking up wifi and me cutting off the key when sliding into the parking spot
[4:12] <nsgn> i'm curious if it can all happen in time
[4:12] <nsgn> hoping so
[4:12] <nsgn> but i do enjoy driving my car :)
[4:12] <IT_Sean> heh
[4:12] <IT_Sean> Any excuse for a drive
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[4:12] <nsgn> holy crap. i just put my iphone in my pocket and it went straight through a giant iphone sized hole in the bottom and onto the floor
[4:13] <[Saint]> That's evolution at work.
[4:13] <[Saint]> Natural selection.
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[4:13] <nsgn> wow. that is one unnaturally large hole in this pocket
[4:13] <nsgn> phone is ok. toe almost was not
[4:13] <nsgn> good grief
[4:13] <[Saint]> ...now you can get an Android! :)
[4:13] <IT_Sean> ^ that
[4:13] <nsgn> if only to make the hole bigger
[4:13] <IT_Sean> LOL
[4:13] <nsgn> it'd probably pull the pants down, knowing the size of most droids
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[4:14] <nsgn> the phone AND the pocket would tear out of the pants and be on the ground
[4:14] <steve_rox> so how goes the rpi insanitys?
[4:14] <nsgn> about to find out. *goes for drive test*
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[4:14] <steve_rox> is it somewhat easy to control a relay on the rpi?
[4:15] <[Saint]> depends on your definition of easy.
[4:15] <steve_rox> well i can wire things up
[4:15] <steve_rox> only things that stand in my way are code/software
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[4:15] <pksato> easy as lit leds.
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[4:16] <steve_rox> i could use some diagram or some tutorial page
[4:17] <pksato> on most tutorial, after lit led, next is how to power motor or relay.
[4:18] <nsgn> steve_rox, it's really easy in python and there are even no-solder relay boards for the pi on ebay and such
[4:18] <\\Mr_C\\> thanks for the tips, i just put the clear lid back on and ran the cable through the opening and opened the lid all the way and taped the cable to the lid and left the lid open and now its straight up
[4:18] <steve_rox> i have limited python experence
[4:18] <nsgn> score! it looks like the pi managed to connect to wifi and fire off one update before i cut the key from the car
[4:18] <steve_rox> i mess around in shell scripts
[4:18] <nsgn> this works perfectly!
[4:19] <steve_rox> i could order a relay board for rpi off ebay its just im unsure how to use it
[4:19] <nsgn> literally like 4 lines of python
[4:19] <nsgn> is all you need
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[4:19] <nsgn> you somewhat python familiar?
[4:20] <steve_rox> not really
[4:20] <nsgn> you familiar with any other language?
[4:20] <nsgn> hell you could do it from php most likely
[4:20] <steve_rox> ive only messed with shell scripts , the only other language i messed with was vb
[4:20] <nsgn> though i'm not sure i'd recommend it
[4:20] <steve_rox> vb6 not that fake .net one
[4:20] <nsgn> well python is not too far off from shell scripts
[4:20] <\\Mr_C\\> is there a way to run the raspi camera tool to just keep the display on the screen without closing till i press ctrl-c?
[4:21] <steve_rox> i guess i learn off example code
[4:21] <nsgn> steve_rox, that's the idea
[4:21] <nsgn> get crackin!
[4:21] <nsgn> the pi is a fun little tool to learn python on
[4:21] <nsgn> and python is comparatively super easy to learn
[4:21] <steve_rox> any pages that could help?
[4:21] <nsgn> yet behaves enough like an actual programming language you are getting knowledge that is good
[4:21] <nsgn> the python website has loads of material
[4:22] <nsgn> adafruit's site does too
[4:22] <pksato> steve_rox: buy some issues of the magpi
[4:22] <nsgn> adafruit's tutorials are honestly probably the easiest to follow
[4:22] <nsgn> just gives it all to you, examples and all, for you to play with. good for beginners
[4:22] <[Saint]> ......kinda.
[4:23] <[Saint]> I like such totorials, but, I also hate them.
[4:23] <nsgn> skimmed one of her guides last night to connect my 16x2 LCD to the pi. had it running in about 5 minutes
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[4:23] <[Saint]> Very few seem to learn from them. But many seem to cut, paste, and manage to understand nothing whilst doing so.
[4:23] <nsgn> yeah. i guess so. hard for me to jump in other's shoes
[4:23] <[Saint]> A good tutorial won't explain *everything*.
[4:24] <nsgn> i konw i learned a lot from stuff like that but i tend to spend hours a week fooling around in python for fun and many more hours in other langs at work for pay so...yeah
[4:24] <[Saint]> It'll give prompts on what you should research to continue.
[4:24] <steve_rox> not sure what id control with a relay on rpi but i guess it seems the next logical step
[4:24] <Datalink> anyone know why this isn't working in .ratpoisonrc: exec xsetbg -onroot -fullscreen ~/672px-SMPTE_Color_Bars_svg.png
[4:24] <Datalink> the file exists... donno what I'm missing
[4:24] <nsgn> steve_rox, haha. yeah. i bought my little 2 relay module on ebay and was super psyched to hook it up to the pi and hear it go CLICK. then i didnt do anything real with it cause i've yet to come up with an idea :)
[4:25] <[Saint]> Internet connected bedside lamp....duh :P
[4:25] <steve_rox> well one viable idea is maybe wire it into my digital cameras remote shutter
[4:25] <nsgn> [Saint], but all the lighting in my house is already automated!
[4:25] <nsgn> and scriptable!
[4:25] <Datalink> nsgn, smarthome setup
[4:25] <nsgn> and online
[4:25] <steve_rox> maybe get 4 relays and hotwire it into a old RC car or something
[4:25] <nsgn> Datalink, 2 seconds late there :)
[4:25] * Datalink logs into nsgn's home and has a lightswitch rave...
[4:26] <nsgn> Datalink, it'd be a pretty boring one. insteon has horrible latency
[4:26] <Datalink> nsgn, ugh, I'll avoid them when I set mine up then
[4:26] <nsgn> but it was affordable enough to outfit most of the house and hackable enough that i script it to talk to everything in my house
[4:26] <Datalink> I have to be careful, this is an apartmnet, I technically shouldn't be working on the wiring
[4:26] <nsgn> Datalink, i dont think its a bad option at all. probably the most flexible for the price
[4:27] <nsgn> Datalink, well they make plug in modules and remotes so you can just control lamps and small appliances. no need to wire in the wall
[4:27] <nsgn> although i have about 95% of my system in wall. much smoother
[4:27] <Datalink> nsgn, the whole house has celing lights
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[4:27] <nsgn> Datalink, ceiling fan/light combos or just ceiling lights?
[4:27] <Datalink> just celing lights
[4:27] <[Saint]> Datalink: the fact its an appartment doesn't change anything. In most places, even if you own the house, if you're not an RE...no touchy-touchy for you!
[4:27] * zz_ka6sox is now known as ka6sox
[4:27] <nsgn> ah. yeah then you'd have to decide if you were allowed or wanted to break the rules about wiring in switches
[4:27] <Datalink> 2 pullchain, 2 wall switch, one of which is in the WORST POSSIBLE SPOT FOR A LIVING ROOM LIGHT
[4:28] <Datalink> the wall opposite the door
[4:28] <[Saint]> (Registered Electrician - preempting questions)
[4:28] <nsgn> they're super easy to install if you have half a brain for electricity, but yeah. not sure the rules. never rented
[4:28] <Datalink> on the opposite end of the room
[4:28] <Katty> evening folkses
[4:28] <nsgn> evening
[4:28] <Datalink> [Saint], Wisconsin law says you have to live in a location for 1 year after electrical changes... and not need certs
[4:28] <Datalink> if you sell within that period, an RE can inspect it and sign off that you did it right
[4:28] <[Saint]> House fire? Undocumented wiring? Insurance....nope! :)
[4:28] <nsgn> Datalink, what? even if you rent?
[4:29] <Katty> how is everyone this evening?
[4:29] <Datalink> nsgn, I don't own it, therefore I am not eligible, an RE is required for rental units
[4:29] <nsgn> only reason i wire the hell out of my house is because i own it and have no intention to sell. i also know what i'm doing
[4:29] <nsgn> ah
[4:29] <nsgn> i'm also outside of the city limits so i dont have to bother with permitting, although i dont use it as an excuse to do poor work
[4:29] <Datalink> nsgn, yeah, basically spirit of the law here
[4:29] <[Saint]> nsgn: you might wanna check out how you fare re: insurance.
[4:30] <nsgn> [Saint], i'm compliant by law here, but it may vary for others.
[4:30] <[Saint]> I've seen a few people lose their houses over such sillyness.
[4:30] <[Saint]> Aha. We're a LOT more strict here.
[4:30] <nsgn> i'm in an unincorporated area in a semi-rural county in texas. my house wasnt even electrical inspected when it was built
[4:31] * [Saint] read as far as Texas
[4:31] <nsgn> _I_ came in and inspected it and called the electrician back out to fix stuff. i knew more than him. sad considering i'm not an electrician..
[4:31] <[Saint]> "...that explains it"
[4:31] <nsgn> eh, go 20 miles up the road into austin and they're strict as hell about it. major pita about it there
[4:31] <nsgn> they came into my office and made us get rid of every extension cord that wasnt plugged into a vacuum cleaner
[4:31] <nsgn> and throw away half our power strips
[4:31] <nsgn> and we honestly were a pretty clean office compared to those around us...
[4:32] <nsgn> so yes. very regional how electrical code is handled
[4:32] <[Saint]> I have seen some nightmarish combinations of extensions and power strips.
[4:32] <[Saint]> oy.
[4:32] <nsgn> in my mind i'm good doing stuff on a structure i own and am responsible for but i don't touch stuff i rent/don't own
[4:33] <nsgn> ha, yeah. i love the blogs with pictures of stupid electrical things found in inspections
[4:33] <nsgn> some are absolutely baffling
[4:33] <nsgn> you won't find anything out of code compliance for most areas in my house despite the fact i've wired or re/wired the majority of it
[4:33] <[Saint]> My favorite one so far was a 10-way power board, with 10 2-way splitters attached, with a 6-way power board in each socket.
[4:33] <[Saint]> I almost cried.
[4:33] <nsgn> wtf
[4:34] <[Saint]> To keep from blowing the fuses out, they used fencing wire.
[4:34] <[Saint]> Huzzah!
[4:34] <[Saint]> :)
[4:34] <nsgn> my house was built after the AFCI requirement by code by since there was not going to be an inspection the electrician decided he'd not put any AFCI breakers in. i caught that one myself and had them change it
[4:34] <nsgn> has saved me not once but TWO times when moronically cutting an extension cord while doing various work outside
[4:36] <nsgn> also enjoy the safety factory of knowing my home automation system cuts all lights and fans, as well as many small appliances, from power when i leave the house automatically
[4:36] <nsgn> small difference, but the less things live the better
[4:36] <nsgn> also helps my power bill
[4:37] <nsgn> safety factor. thank you windows
[4:37] <nsgn> *sigh* you can't win
[4:37] <nsgn> *throws this keyboard out the doorway*
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[5:36] <Datalink> dpkg: error: parsing file '/var/lib/dpkg/available' near line 4307 package 'perl-modules':
[5:36] <Datalink> `Breaks' field, syntax error after reference to package `libmath-compled.'
[5:36] <Datalink> x.x what did I break in my Raspbian?
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[6:17] <\\Mr_C\\> how can i send a screen refresh from an ssh terminal to the location with the screen?
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[6:55] <ololonoob> 'sup guys, got an annoying problem: i've recently downloaded ArchLinux image from official site and installed it. everything is fine but when im trying to start xorg via startx: im getting two errors:
[6:55] <ololonoob> /dev/dri/card0: No such file or directory
[6:55] <ololonoob> and FBDEV(0): FBIOBLANK: Operation not permitted
[6:56] <ololonoob> any clue? t.t
[6:59] <[Saint]> One assumes you installed a DE, and with it, X?
[6:59] <[Saint]> The default Arch image is spartan, for a reason.
[6:59] <ololonoob> i've simply installed lxde, xorg and xf86-video-fbdev and also xf86-video-modesetting
[7:00] <[Saint]> then "yes" was good enough.
[7:00] <[Saint]> :)
[7:00] <[Saint]> No idea, then. Perhaps revisit the tutorial you followed to set these up, or see Archwiki.
[7:01] <[Saint]> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/LXDE
[7:01] <ololonoob> i've googled this error a lot, never found an answer except "shit happens sometimes" and "try expand video memory"
[7:01] <ololonoob> but it is already expanded to 128mb
[7:02] <[Saint]> Neither of those are acceptable solutions.
[7:02] <[Saint]> and 128MB is ridiculous.
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[7:05] <ololonoob> ofc it is. and well, it doesnt even go there. im still failing to launch it even after making link like: ln /dev/dri/card0 /dev/fb0
[7:05] <ololonoob> just one error less -.-
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[7:05] <[Saint]> I advise you to visit the link posted above.
[7:05] <[Saint]> With a perfectly kosher Arch install, this works as expected.
[7:10] <Datalink> ooh the funs of making it so my Pi will use Plymoth properly... joy of joys...
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[7:13] <[Saint]> ololonoob: Yep, just had a go here (happened to have a Pi spare).
[7:13] <[Saint]> Everything works as expected.
[7:13] <[Saint]> Perhaps you missed something, or (if you did so) the tutorial you followed was flawed/incomplete.
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[7:18] <ololonoob> wow man thanks, no idea how but simply upgrading those and adding startlxde did the job! O.O
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[7:44] <Datalink> or not, plymoth is apparently not even supported in the default raspbian kernel
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[9:45] <Jungle-Boogie> anyone use seafile on their pi?
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[10:15] <Bretos> hello guys! Do you happen to know, wheter I can use RPi's analog output as input?
[10:15] <SpeedEvil> No.
[10:15] <SpeedEvil> Well, not analog input.
[10:15] <SpeedEvil> I'm not quite sure it won't work as a GPIO digital input
[10:15] <JakeSays> the pi has analog anything?
[10:16] <Bretos> JakeSays: I was thinking of RCA video output
[10:16] <JakeSays> ah
[10:16] <Bretos> I wanted to capture some video from an old camera
[10:17] <SpeedEvil> To answer the next question, no, it can't do video input either.
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[10:18] <JakeSays> hmm. i happen to have a usb video capture device. wonder if raspian supports it
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[10:21] <Bretos> JakeSays: great idea! I havent thought of that
[10:21] <Bretos> ... have one too
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[10:42] <zombieman> haha xchat on my raspberry pi this is great to bad i only have a 5 inch screen
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[10:43] <Bretos> JakeSays: that capture card works perfectly ;-)
[10:43] <Bretos> just need to find a way to share the /dev/video0 over the network
[10:43] <JakeSays> Bretos: which card is it?
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[10:44] <Tickle> VNC
[10:44] <Bretos> JakeSays: Bus 003 Device 010: ID 05e1:0408 Syntek Semiconductor Co., Ltd STK1160 Video Capture Device
[10:44] <Bretos> works out of the box
[10:45] <zombieman> so o ordered a usb hub with ac power addapter and it didnt come with the adapter
[10:45] <Bretos> zombieman: can you say something more about your screen?
[10:46] <zombieman> its a hd access ptv7000
[10:46] <zombieman> paid 5 bucks for it
[10:46] <Tickle> This may not be what you need but accessing a screen over the network use VNC
[10:46] <zombieman> it can get digital cable too as well as antena and rca
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[10:47] <zombieman> i use tightvncserver
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[10:48] <zombieman> so anyways like the impation person i am i spliced a usb cord and found a power jack that would fit the usb powered hub and pluged it in and it seems to be working
[10:49] <zombieman> altough has anyone else had this ishue when my powered usb hub is pluged into my pi with no micro usb power plug pluged in my pi turns on
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[10:49] <zombieman> because my hub is pluged into the usb port weird
[10:50] <JakeSays> Bretos: huh. appears my capture device was recognized as well. very cool.
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[10:51] <histo> zombieman: you can backfeed the pi through the USB ports for power now.
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[10:51] <zombieman> is that safe?
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[10:52] <JakeSays> histo: um, i dont think thats correct, at least w/o tweaking something
[10:52] <nerdboy> raspberrypi:~# mpc toggle The Grateful Dead - New Speedway Boogie [playing] #1/196 1:26/10:03 (14%)
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[10:53] <zombieman> i know i have a fuse there so i think that will provide enough current protection from damaging the pi if the usb power s to high correct me if im woring though
[10:53] <histo> JakeSays: it's true with the B models
[10:53] <JakeSays> histo: not with my b models
[10:53] <zombieman> i have the b
[10:53] <zombieman> the uk one
[10:54] <histo> JakeSays: if the fuse is removed you can power through the full size usb ports
[10:55] <zombieman> im not going to lie having a portable 5 inch xchat is one of the coolest things ive had in years now to save up for lcd glasses
[10:55] <histo> Model B rev2
[10:55] <JakeSays> histo: yes, as i said, not w/o tweaking something
[10:55] <zombieman> my fuse isnt removed and it seems to be powering the pi fine with 7 usb devices pluged in
[10:55] <histo> The resetable fuses protecting the USB outputs have been removed. This feature was implemented on some later revision 1.0 PCBs by replacing the fuses with links; revision 2.0 permanently implements this modification. It is now possible to reliably power the RPI from a USB hub that back feeds power, but it is important that the chosen hub cannot supply more than 2.5A under fault conditions.
[10:56] <JakeSays> huh, well, it doesnt work for me
[10:56] <JakeSays> however i can plug the micro-usb in to the hub and it powers the pi just infe
[10:56] <JakeSays> *fine
[10:56] <zombieman> the max power i can give it is just 2.1 amps through usb
[10:57] <zombieman> im thinking about trying kali linux on the pi soon time to move from primary laptop to portable pc
[10:58] <JakeSays> zombieman: unless you have a very very old laptop a pi won't be a decent substitute
[10:58] <zombieman> for packe gathering and war driving
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[10:58] <zombieman> i dont need it to crack any passwords or anything like that
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[11:00] <zombieman> it would be nice to just drop my pi off ad a location when doing a security audit and ssh into it and do the deads required of me with a less obvious this guy is upto no good
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[11:03] <zombieman> who else modifies there .bashrc as one of the first things they do when installing there os?
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[11:05] <zombieman> im thinking about adding a callender to my bash wen i get a bigger screen also my old conkey
[11:05] <Xark> zombieman: It is high up on my list. Disable the tab beeps and make it always show all alternatives (and a few other tweaks). :)
[11:05] <histo> zombieman: cal
[11:05] <zombieman> yup thats what i use histo
[11:06] <zombieman> i have a really nice one that hilights the day and displays the calender for the next 2 months
[11:06] <zombieman> as well as display the current weather and other relevent info like if my servers are up
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[11:09] <zombieman> is there a way to loginto the current session via vnc? kinda like remote desktop so ican continue my work with all the windows open when i leave vnc
[11:09] <JakeSays> zombieman: just log in to the same display and you'll have your same session
[11:10] <zombieman> how would i do that with tightvnc?
[11:10] <JakeSays> um, it just works
[11:12] <[Saint]> [20:49:33] <zombieman> altough has anyone else had this ishue when my powered usb hub is pluged into my pi with no micro usb power plug pluged in my pi turns on
[11:13] <[Saint]> zombieman: this is a feature, not an issue.
[11:13] <[Saint]> It is intentional.
[11:13] <[Saint]> [20:52:22] <JakeSays> histo: um, i dont think thats correct, at least w/o tweaking something
[11:14] <[Saint]> JakeSays: this is incorrect. Most hubs should do so. But not all backpower.
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[11:14] <zombieman> i figured as much after a while its really nice though
[11:14] <[Saint]> It is, yes.
[11:14] <[Saint]> One less power supply to care about.
[11:14] <JakeSays> [Saint]: well it is correct in the context of my pis.
[11:14] <zombieman> its a nice way to go from wall to batery too
[11:15] <[Saint]> JakeSays: is you have ancient revision boards, then, yes.
[11:15] <[Saint]> *if you.
[11:15] <[Saint]> If they are current, then, no.
[11:15] <[Saint]> Its the hub, not the pi.
[11:15] <JakeSays> its a rev 2 model b
[11:15] <[Saint]> (except for early revision boards)
[11:16] <JakeSays> and, as a matter of fact, you were here when it failed to work
[11:16] <zombieman> im not sure which rev i have
[11:16] <[Saint]> JakeSays: in that case, as I said, you hub(s) are the problem.
[11:16] <[Saint]> Not the pi(s).
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[11:18] <JakeSays> so what is it about the hub that allows it to backfeed?
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[11:19] <zombieman> whats some apps you guys install jot being derected towrds anythng just curious i usually get ettercap and wireshark conkey spm xchat chrome and a gba
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[11:19] <JakeSays> zombieman: yeah chrome on the pi is pretty much a non starter
[11:19] <histo> JakeSays: it's a powered hub it supplies power over USB. the pi takes power over USB on B rev 2 now that the fuses have been removed
[11:19] * [Saint] calls BS
[11:20] <[Saint]> How many times do you want to make sweeping statements based on your own perception in the space of a few minutes? :)
[11:20] <JakeSays> histo: yeah i know what it is. i want to know why some hubs work and some dont
[11:20] <zombieman> what do you mean non starter lol
[11:20] <[Saint]> zombieman: everything in his experience is a fact for everyone, apparently.
[11:20] <histo> JakeSays: because maybe your hub isn't standard and doesn't supply enough juice
[11:20] <JakeSays> [Saint]: well, you do it quite often. just following your lead (that and i've tried chrome on the pi)
[11:21] <zombieman> its a no brainer lol
[11:21] <[Saint]> Chrome{e|ium} runs fine on the pi.
[11:21] <zombieman> transfer all my favrates and passwords over and everything
[11:21] <JakeSays> histo: my hub powers the pi just fine if i plug the micro-usb in to the hub
[11:21] <JakeSays> [Saint]: apparently we have differing 'runs fine' standards.
[11:22] <[Saint]> JakeSays: I suspect your system may be overloaded or improperly configured.
[11:22] <[Saint]> It runs fine here.
[11:22] <histo> JakeSays: then you have some jacked up model B
[11:22] <[Saint]> histo: no, he has a jacked up hub.
[11:22] <[Saint]> or, hub(s).
[11:22] <zombieman> i would have to say its the hub
[11:22] <[Saint]> It is, yes.
[11:22] <JakeSays> [Saint]: it was a stock pi with stock raspian. nothing else running.
[11:22] <zombieman> ill give the link to mine
[11:23] <histo> [Saint]: or cable
[11:23] <histo> JakeSays: do you have fuses or not?
[11:23] <[Saint]> histo: that's possible, but, data only cables are quite rare.
[11:23] <JakeSays> histo: no idea.
[11:23] <zombieman> little green rectangle neer the usb ports
[11:24] <zombieman>
[11:24] <zombieman> sorry neer the sd
[11:24] <[Saint]> Nice one. :)
[11:24] <zombieman> ops sooo sorry about that i didnt realize was leaning on the spacebar
[11:25] <[Saint]> My kitten does that too.
[11:25] <zombieman> anyways i was wrong its on the underside neer the sd card
[11:25] <[Saint]> computer time == "kitten fun time"
[11:25] <zombieman> it might say something like 7xl
[11:26] <zombieman> lol cats gata love them
[11:26] <JakeSays> eh, its bolted down.
[11:26] <[Saint]> Well...here's an easier way to put it.
[11:26] <[Saint]> Does the pi boot?
[11:26] <histo> JakeSays: test the power pins from the cable coming from your hub. I would also look on your board and see if there are fuse blocks on the USB
[11:26] <[Saint]> Did you personally modify it?
[11:27] <[Saint]> If yes, and no, then it has the polyfuses.
[11:28] <zombieman> go look on ebay for item number 370828643498 its a 7 port powered usb hub for 4.50 bucks
[11:29] * [Saint] should claify that hubs that backpower are usually the "jacked up" ones, and that this is usually considered an undesireable trait.
[11:29] <[Saint]> It can do hilarious things like preventing your PC from shutting down completely, etc.
[11:29] <zombieman> why would it be undesirable
[11:29] <[Saint]> see above.
[11:29] <zombieman> lol timing
[11:30] <zombieman> which pc the pi
[11:30] * ShorTie thinkz, don't waste your 4.50
[11:30] <zombieman> why not it works
[11:31] <JakeSays> zombieman: the pi isn't a pc
[11:32] <[Saint]> My desktop won't properly shut down with a hub that backpowers, it keeps waiting for the devices to shut down...but, the hub is still feeding power to the system, keeping the front fans on and powering the optical drive.
[11:32] <zombieman> pc is a person computer
[11:32] <[Saint]> Teh Infonets is full of similar complaints.
[11:32] <zombieman> its computing and its my personal device thus a pc
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[11:32] <[Saint]> zombieman: THANK YOU!
[11:32] <[Saint]> I had this discussion the other day.
[11:32] <[Saint]> Yes, the pi *is* a PC, quite correct.
[11:32] <[Saint]> Its personal, it computes.
[11:33] <histo> ughhh here we go again
[11:33] <JakeSays> it most certainly is not a PC
[11:33] <zombieman> lol
[11:33] <JakeSays> histo: lol yes indeed.
[11:33] <zombieman> how is it not a pc
[11:33] <[Saint]> Its "not a PC" if you bend the rules to make a PC what you want it to be...no.
[11:33] * histo stares at /topic
[11:33] <[Saint]> histo: that'll do you no good.
[11:34] <[Saint]> I don't specifically see a "no bikeshedding" rule there.
[11:34] <zombieman> hell if you say is not a pc because all it runs is linux i got win 98 running on it
[11:34] <JakeSays> zombieman: a PC is generally considered to be a desktop computer. its not a laptop, or a net/notebook, or tablet or whatever else you want to lump in.
[11:34] <zombieman> google what is a pc
[11:35] <[Saint]> I love this "generally considered" business.
[11:35] <ShorTie> a new smart phone is a pc
[11:35] <[Saint]> It is, yes.
[11:35] <JakeSays> it is a smart phone, not a pc.
[11:35] <[Saint]> ...oy.
[11:35] <histo> http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/personal%20computer ENOUGH ALREADY
[11:35] <ShorTie> it's a pc that is a phone too...
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[11:36] <[Saint]> Well...Mirriam's known what's up since 1976, apparently ;)
[11:37] <gordonDrogon> morning.
[11:37] <JakeSays> gordonDrogon: mornin'
[11:37] <zombieman> my arduino is a pc to not a powerfull one by any means but it is a pc lol
[11:37] <ShorTie> mornin
[11:37] * [Saint] shakes a fist at the other hemispherers.
[11:38] <[Saint]> you and your...daylight.
[11:38] <[Saint]> and, warmth.
[11:38] <zombieman> lol
[11:38] <zombieman> its 5:30 here at night
[11:38] <zombieman> or morning .. shit
[11:38] <zombieman> lol
[11:39] <[Saint]> saint@saint-desktop:~$ date
[11:39] <[Saint]> Sun Jun 30 21:39:09 NZST 2013
[11:39] <[Saint]> dun, dun...DUNNNN!
[11:39] <zombieman> lol my dates not set
[11:40] <zombieman> pi@raspberrypi ~ $ date
[11:40] <zombieman> Sun Jun 30 09:39:53 UTC 2013
[11:40] <zombieman> maybe it is wow
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[11:40] <[Saint]> Oooohhhh...another futureling.
[11:40] <zombieman> but the time is off right date though
[11:41] <[Saint]> hah. whoops. I looked at my own date.
[11:41] <zombieman> time zone to be persise
[11:41] <gordonDrogon> zombieman, *cough* family friendly channel - please re-read the rules: http://alturl.com/jc97e
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[11:42] <zombieman> did i break any rules? oh sorry i just noticed wont happen again
[11:42] <[Saint]> s/re-read/read/
[11:43] <gordonDrogon> I'd like to think people read the rules when first joining... ah well...
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[11:43] <[Saint]> gordonDrogon: that's like...work, man. Sheesh.
[11:43] <gordonDrogon> ;-)
[11:44] <zombieman> lol
[11:44] * ShorTie thinkz, to read the rules if it had a valid link
[11:44] <gordonDrogon> when I wur a lad, we'd join a new channel, read the rules, listen into the old timers for weeks sometimes before even daring to say hello...
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[11:44] <[Saint]> ShorTie: link is fine.
[11:45] <gordonDrogon> http://alturl.com/jc97e is a shortcut to the google docs page they're held on.
[11:45] <[Saint]> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Z8B_0WVSFobWv-ZxpupAJ43Bz7QWpAxbefDJ2tD5MTI/edit?pli=1 is rather a lot less sanitary
[11:45] <zombieman> so my buddys playing cod and i left my computer at his house running pluged in so i dos the ps3 ports and kicked him off when we were playing constently then told him whats up it was a good laugh though
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[11:46] <gordonDrogon> and he's still your buddy?
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[11:46] <zombieman> it was a joke lasted for about 3 minutes not harm done
[11:46] <ShorTie> maybe the google 1 is, but that alturl.com don't work for me
[11:46] <[Saint]> That's a pressing sign of the times.
[11:46] <zombieman> he laughed about it
[11:46] <[Saint]> DOS your mates, for...fun!
[11:46] <[Saint]> In my day...we made crank calls.
[11:47] <gordonDrogon> http://url.drogon.net/1k <- another short link to that page...
[11:47] <zombieman> he was bragging about how he had perfect connectionand i had spooty lagging connection
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[11:48] <[Saint]> Well.../someone/ watches Angry Beavers.
[11:48] <zombieman> so i brought him down to my lag that was a good show back in the day when i was a we lad
[11:49] <gordonDrogon> time to check on the bread baking. the smell has been wafting through the house for too long now...
[11:50] * [Saint] did that several minutes ago.
[11:50] <[Saint]> Nomming out on hot bread this very moment.
[11:50] <histo> pi controlled bread baking?
[11:50] <zombieman> im building a arduino controled oven
[11:50] <[Saint]> Engagement present breadmaker controlled baking.
[11:51] <[Saint]> Sat in the cupboard for ~2 years doing squat.
[11:51] <zombieman> set the stove and oven by iphone
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[11:52] <bob_binz> mornin...anyone know how to wrap chat text in chatzilla? perhaps I'm being dumb, but can't see an option
[11:52] <zombieman> well i need to get some sleep it was fun hanging out good night everyone
[11:52] <gordonDrogon> using my little combi microwave / convection oven this morning just for an experiment. it's not quite as hot as the stove or bbq, so needs a little longer.
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[11:56] <gordonDrogon> still. seems adequate when I can't be bothered to fire up the stove or bbq.
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[11:59] <SpeedEvil> [Saint]: Do you mean an actual proper breadmaker? That can knead?
[11:59] <[Saint]> Yessir.
[11:59] <[Saint]> Put in water, and bread stuffs...bread comes out.
[11:59] <[Saint]> (see my awesome technical description there? I'm proud of that.)
[12:00] <gordonDrogon> modern breadmakers are quite good.
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[12:00] <gordonDrogon> they can be fussy about ingredients though.
[12:00] <JakeSays> i have a breadmaker, but she rarely makes bread
[12:00] <SpeedEvil> [Saint]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bBX8j_3eHI&feature=c4-overview&list=UUivA7_KLKWo43tFcCkFvydw
[12:00] <gordonDrogon> I make my bread by hand.
[12:00] <SpeedEvil> gordonDrogon: And yes, making bread is ideal.
[12:02] <SpeedEvil> gordonDrogon: Wouldn't it be nice - for example - to have a device that you could throw in a large bag of flour, and ... and then it meter out the appropriate amount to make a couple of breakfast rolls, then bake them in the morning.
[12:02] <SpeedEvil> With no attendance for a week.
[12:03] <gordonDrogon> cooked and cooling :)
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[12:03] <[Saint]> Pfffffft...cooling.
[12:03] <[Saint]> My bread never lasts that long.
[12:03] <gordonDrogon> SpeedEvil, mechanisation of things is sometimes attractive, but I enjoy making it by hand. regulates the amount I eat too.
[12:03] <SpeedEvil> :)
[12:04] <gordonDrogon> [Saint], yea :) However if you let it cool down just a bit then it doesn't go stale as quickly.
[12:04] <SpeedEvil> I have problem keeping up with washing up - making bread by hand rarely happens.
[12:05] <gordonDrogon> (stale here means drying out and not going off - my sourdough doesn't go off!)
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[12:06] <[Saint]> Bread is like cheese. There's not really an "off" just a "how much mold am I prepared to ingest" state ;)
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[12:06] * gordonDrogon grins.
[12:06] <SpeedEvil> Freezer works well too
[12:07] <SpeedEvil> I have a related project I'm wondering about.
[12:07] <gordonDrogon> I've never seen mould on my sourdough. shop-bought bread usually starts going blue/green after 2-3 days though.
[12:07] <SpeedEvil> But makes somewhat more dense loaves.
[12:07] <SpeedEvil> Based on cement.
[12:07] <gordonDrogon> er... slightly inedible there..
[12:07] <SpeedEvil> My ultimate aim is to find a nice way to make concrete spheres that float.
[12:07] <SpeedEvil> That is - hollow
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[12:08] <[Saint]> SpeedEvil: do they *need* to be hollow?
[12:08] <gordonDrogon> they made boats out of concretet.
[12:08] <SpeedEvil> In order to make a concrete that is the same density of water - to properly fix my pond.
[12:08] <SpeedEvil> [Saint]: Technically, there are probably easier ways.
[12:08] <[Saint]> My immediate thought is a polystyrene ball.
[12:08] <gordonDrogon> there is a cooking technique to make hollow ice spheres.
[12:08] <SpeedEvil> yeah
[12:09] <gordonDrogon> you could apply it - you make 2 halves then stick them together.
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[12:09] <[Saint]> SpeedEvil: a balloon may also hold up while the cement cures.
[12:09] <SpeedEvil> that was what I was thinking of as the most likely method.
[12:09] <SpeedEvil> [Saint]: I was looking at more like 10^6.5 1cm or so balls.
[12:09] <gordonDrogon> you need 2 bowls - one smaller than the other - pout the mix in one, then push the 2nd in, then hold it all in-place until set.
[12:09] <[Saint]> But, you really need a core of some form. The water will eventually permiate the concrete and sink your balls.
[12:09] <gordonDrogon> 1cm diameter balls?
[12:10] <[Saint]> errr...bums. that was meant as SFW, I swear.
[12:10] <SpeedEvil> [Saint]: I don't care about eventually - a day is fine.
[12:10] <[Saint]> Aha.
[12:10] <SpeedEvil> Or even three hours.
[12:10] <gordonDrogon> what about oasis - you can buy oasis balls for flower arranging.
[12:10] <gordonDrogon> they float.
[12:11] <SpeedEvil> This is more of a '3d printing' type idea.
[12:11] <SpeedEvil> 'What can I do with concrete, sand, and cheap additives to make something rather different in bulk properties from the raw materials'.
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[12:11] <gordonDrogon> We also used some jelly balls recently too - they're fractionally negatively bouant though - they come as tiny pellets and you soak them in water for 24 hours and expand to about 1cm in diameter. they're also used for flower/table decoration.
[12:12] <SpeedEvil> yeah - jellowrestling.com sells those.
[12:12] <gordonDrogon> http://moor.drogon.net/voyc13/large/IMGP4922.JPG <- a bowl full of them...
[12:12] <SpeedEvil> Great for kids parties.
[12:15] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/dh/474438_4380182717731_1416452845_o.jpg <-- woops :) my brothers car after it had flipped through a forward roll..
[12:16] <Bretos> it was a nice car ;-) what make is tha?
[12:16] <[Saint]> Is...is that (or, was it?) a Chevette?
[12:16] <Bretos> never heard of
[12:16] <Bretos> opel chavette?
[12:17] <gordonDrogon> Opel - something.
[12:17] <[Saint]> Woo!
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[12:17] * [Saint] awards himself one Internet.
[12:17] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/dh/003.JPG
[12:17] <gordonDrogon> that's a 'before' icture.
[12:17] <gordonDrogon> he does rally cross type racing for a hobby.
[12:18] <[Saint]> The only thing I had left to guess was whether or not it was a Vauxhaul or Opel Chevette.
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[12:18] <[Saint]> ..and, that was answered already.
[12:18] <gordonDrogon> Being in .de, it would be Opel.
[12:19] <gordonDrogon> I think it's a Corsa, not a Chevette though.
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[12:20] * [Saint] subtracts one Internet
[12:20] <gordonDrogon> apparently they used some hydraulic jacks to pull it out and straighten it and he raced it last weekend again.
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[12:21] <gordonDrogon> we're a great family - I'm in the UK, brother in Germany and sister currently in Tenerife, moving to the US in a few months.
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[12:31] <Dooley> Hi guys, I have a maybe very dumb question
[12:32] <Dooley> If I put a switch in the middle of the µUSB powr supply cable, will I be able to turn on/off the pi without unplugging the power supply?
[12:32] <Dooley> assuming i stop linux properly before turning off the power
[12:32] <mgottschlag> yes, that works
[12:32] <mgottschlag> I build something like that with a relay instead of a switch
[12:33] <Dooley> how is that different-pardon my inorance
[12:33] <mgottschlag> that's the same of course
[12:33] <mgottschlag> (except that I will have a microcontroller which can automatically reset the pi :) )
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[12:33] <[Saint]> Dooley: it may be easier to add a switch directly to the Pi itself, across the P6 header.
[12:34] <Dooley> aahh ok, please note I am not looking for a way to reset it, just to emulate me removing and plugging in the cord
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[12:34] <[Saint]> Dooley: Yes, I realize that.
[12:35] <[Saint]> With the P6 header, if the device is already powered, it will bring the device back up.
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[12:35] <[Saint]> Leaving the device powered, but halted, will consume approximately <immeasurable_ammount> of power.
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[12:38] <Dooley> i see: so I would turn it off using sudo halt
[12:38] <Dooley> then use the p6 to bring it back up
[12:39] <[Saint]> Correct.
[12:40] <Dooley> Thank you so muc, I am new to the pi experience
[12:40] <[Saint]> As were we all, once. :)
[12:41] <Dooley> And not being a computer engineer at all will not help much I guess, but I'll see how far I can get!
[12:41] <[Saint]> No, no...don't think that way.
[12:41] <[Saint]> The point of this device is that you don't *need* to be a CE.
[12:41] <[Saint]> Its an educational device. Learn with it. :)
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[12:44] <steve_rox> i probly learnt more linux with it than any other time
[12:47] <[Saint]> With *nix, there's really nothing better than jumping in the deep end.
[12:47] <steve_rox> unless its lava
[12:47] <[Saint]> I have found many people who started reading about the Windows->*nix transition before actually trying a *nix OS of any form, and convinced themselves that they weren't up to the task.
[12:49] <[Saint]> Many people seem to think, even in this day and age, that there is no DE(s) or window manager(s), and that everything is done in a boring black and whiter shell.
[12:49] <[Saint]> *white
[12:50] <Bushmills> green on black, phosphorescent CRTs even.
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[12:53] <ShorTie> gordonDrogon, you got a typo on line 58 of mcp3002.c
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[12:53] <[Saint]> * Create a new wiringPi device node for an mcp2003 on the Pi's
[12:54] <[Saint]> ...um, nope?
[12:54] <ShorTie> ya
[12:54] <ShorTie> mcp what ??
[12:54] * [Saint] facepalms
[12:54] <gordonDrogon> ShorTie, let me check - wouldn't surprise me though :)
[12:55] <gordonDrogon> ok, thanks.
[12:56] <gordonDrogon> did someone say green on black... http://unicorn.drogon.net/piduino.jpg
[12:57] <Bushmills> "*nix" :P
[13:00] <gordonDrogon> or orange on black: http://unicorn.drogon.net/lode.jpg
[13:00] <gordonDrogon> couldn't get that monitor to run on the Pi though.
[13:00] <gordonDrogon> but I didn't try that hard.
[13:01] <Encrypt> Would anybody be interested in a "grouped order" to buy PiHolder cases?
[13:01] <Encrypt> Especially in France :p
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[13:05] <ShorTie> Preaty
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[14:28] <Kane> anchois o/
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[15:09] <bob_binz> Hey folks, does anyone have a Pure internet radio, and if so, does it connect to Pure Connect? Having probs with my Pure One Flow - won't connect (though it will stream from uPnP so I know the network connection works)
[15:12] <SpeedEvil> I have a Pure radio, but it's not internet.
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[15:25] <bob_binz> :) so no connection problems then ;)
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[16:06] <lauri> Hi guys
[16:07] <lauri> I just flashed my model B with Debian Wheezy and I was playing around with quake3/openarena
[16:08] <lauri> I tried apt-getting and compiling from scratch but either way I get blank screen while I try to fire up the binary
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[16:09] <lauri> The compiled binary just exits at "SDL using driver fbcon" with blank screen
[16:09] <lauri> Correction: the process dies with no error message
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[16:10] <lauri> Could anyone ellaborate on this issue?
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[16:54] <snoshers> if i want to send someone a python program and they dont have python installed what can i do Do i have to place python27.dll with the file?
[16:54] <Dooley> you may want to have them install python
[16:55] <Encrypt> +1
[16:56] <snoshers> so whagts python27.dll and how do i use it
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[16:57] <lx4r> Hello everyone
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[17:02] <lx4r> My Pi does not boot (the green lamp flashes and then only the red one keeps burning) although I have a correct image on my sd card. Does anyone know how to fix this?
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[17:02] <lx4r> Not an issue of the Pi btw, apperas with another Pi too ...
[17:02] <lx4r> Thanks inadvance for the help
[17:04] <Bushmills> how does "doesn't boot" show?
[17:04] <Bushmills> apart from LEDs
[17:05] <lx4r> Some random rainbow-like pattern on the HDMI output
[17:05] <lx4r> But not the installation assistand
[17:05] <lx4r> *assistant
[17:06] <Bushmills> that's good
[17:06] <pksato> power supply or sd card issues.
[17:07] <Bushmills> i don't know of any installation assistant.
[17:07] <Bushmills> but i know of "login prompts"
[17:07] <pksato> noobs or berryboot?
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[17:08] <lx4r> pksato: Just the normal raspbian image
[17:08] <lx4r> Bushmills: That's what I meant ^^
[17:08] <pksato> test other psu
[17:08] <lx4r> pksato: sd card issues most likely because the same pi worjed with another card
[17:08] <lx4r> pksato: psu? ^^
[17:09] <pksato> power supply
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[17:10] <pksato> rainbow pattern indicate that GPU is initializes, and power usage increase.
[17:11] <lx4r> hmmmm, ok, will try
[17:12] <lx4r> putting the image on the card again at the moment
[17:12] <lx4r> Are you still here in about 15 minutes?
[17:12] <pksato> "Immediately after displaying the splash screen, the PI starts consuming a little more current, if the PI resets at that moment its an indication that the power supply isn't able to deliver the full current your PI requires, but dips its output voltage below a minimum when loaded with the full current the PI needs. "
[17:13] <pksato> http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting#Coloured_splash_screen
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[17:33] <lx4r> pksato: Ok, definitley a problem of the card
[17:33] <lx4r> What should I do now?
[17:33] <pksato> buy other card
[17:33] <lx4r> The card does not boot in two Pis
[17:33] <lx4r> yeah, right :-(
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[17:34] <pksato> or, use some disk wipe tools to for write cycles on sd card.
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[18:14] <harris> hello
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[18:21] <harris> what are some free things to do with the pi
[18:21] <gbaman> game emulator, media centre, openttd player :)
[18:22] <harris> gbaman, pm?
[18:22] <mgottschlag> reverse engineering! :D
[18:22] <gbaman> ?
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[18:23] <SpeedEvil> harris: There is nothing.
[18:23] <SpeedEvil> harris: Unless you can get them free.
[18:23] <gbaman> :)
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[18:34] <Bushmills> wind chimes
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[18:46] <TuxBlackEdo> Does anyone here have the mk808/ss808? How do I update the firmware?
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[18:50] <nerdboy> TuxBlackEdo: are you talking tv-stick hardware?
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[18:51] <nerdboy> i think the one i have is the mk802+ or some such... i made a couple of wheezy/gentoo cards but haven't messed with the internal flash
[18:51] <TuxBlackEdo> nerdboy, yeah
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[18:52] <TuxBlackEdo> it's got like a plastic stamp antenna
[18:52] <nerdboy> those kind of updates are vendor-specific
[18:52] <TuxBlackEdo> oh ok
[18:52] <TuxBlackEdo> so it won't fix my internal wifi antenna issues
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[18:53] <TuxBlackEdo> i have desoldered the ground on my internal wifi, and that cleared up most of the packet loss
[18:53] <TuxBlackEdo> now i am having to deal with the latency (2ms to 500ms) on a local access point
[18:53] <sperrhaken> I read that a backfeeding USB-Hub can cause unwanted SD-writes, does that mean: Can cause filesystem corruption. Is that statement true in the first place (was that an issue once and is now fixed)?
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[18:55] <nerdboy> TuxBlackEdo: so if you can find the actual vendor site they may have an update you can either download or apply via the android update widget
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[18:56] <nerdboy> it all depends on the vendor...
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[18:59] <harris> anyone know some beginner robotics kits that are cheap
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[19:00] <Bushmills> what programming language?
[19:02] <harris> idk
[19:02] <harris> python
[19:02] <gbaman> very few robots can be programmed in python
[19:02] <ShadowJK> sperrhaken; sounds like bullshit to me
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[19:05] <Bushmills> how much is "cheap"?
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[19:06] <harris> under $50
[19:06] <KiltedPi> powered USB hubs are definately necessary when playing with pi
[19:07] <chithead> http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals often mentions whether a powered hub is needed
[19:08] <gbaman> guys, any tips for hunting down a laser cutter or a service that will do laser cutting?
[19:08] <Bushmills> that'd put for example ushi outside of your reach
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[19:10] <sperrhaken> k. Just trying to find out why my SD-image got corrupted twice in a row. Now it is running fine, but I haven't dared to replug my hub, and don't have it here right now.
[19:10] <nerdboy> i've been able to use both a keyboard dongle and either bt or wifi directly on the pi
[19:10] <Bushmills> maybe a 2nd hand lego mindstorm set from ebay :)
[19:10] <nerdboy> seems a little edgy sometimes and takes longer to boot, but it worked... mostly...
[19:11] <ShadowJK> Well, if you have both a backfeeding usb hub, and a powersupply through musb port, it could cause issues
[19:11] <nerdboy> no hub in this case, just the pi
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[19:13] <harris> who knows the most about robotics
[19:14] <gbaman> harris, i doubt you will get anyone saying they are
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[19:14] <harris> well do robots with the pi need gpio
[19:14] <gbaman> well, they dont need it, just nearly all use them
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[19:15] <nerdboy> ShadowJK: was just looking at the power wire cable hack yesterday
[19:15] <harris> can you use it without it
[19:15] <gbaman> i guess you could use USB, but most USB based robots dont have drivers for linux full stop
[19:15] <nerdboy> need to make one of those...
[19:15] <harris> is arduino different from the pi
[19:15] <Bushmills> yes
[19:15] <gbaman> very
[19:15] * gbaman sighs
[19:15] <nerdboy> different interfaces
[19:16] <Bushmills> though i'd say more suited for robotics
[19:16] <harris> i thought it was just an attachment
[19:16] <nerdboy> a pi/arduino combo can be useful
[19:16] <gbaman> well, from what i can see, the beaglebone black is the winner
[19:16] <gbaman> for robotics anyway
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[19:16] <harris> ok
[19:16] <gbaman> it is essentially a pi + arduino
[19:16] <gbaman> but not for someone new to electronics
[19:17] <harris> anyone know a project for the pi without a gpio camera board or arduino
[19:17] <gbaman> you dont need a camera board to use the GPIO...
[19:17] <harris> i know
[19:17] <harris> im just saying
[19:18] <harris> i dont have eaither
[19:18] <harris> and want a project
[19:18] <nerdboy> you could do a power switch and IR sensor
[19:18] <harris> do you have a link
[19:18] <gbaman> you could try this site out
[19:18] <gbaman> http://www.rpitodo.com/
[19:19] <nerdboy> the IR part is an adafruit project
[19:19] <Bushmills> pi can be higher order control or logic. AVR the lower level, more direct, control
[19:19] <gbaman> plenty of pi related projects on there
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[19:20] <gbaman> including a whole beginner section
[19:20] <Bushmills> so communication between pi and AVRs can be higher level too. and pi doesn't need to take care of every little fuzz
[19:21] <Bushmills> google for robotics subsumption architecture
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[19:22] <nerdboy> everything old is new again...
[19:23] <Bushmills> well, wikipedia has something on it too: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subsumption_architecture
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[19:24] <JakeSays> Ricksl: i'm super tired and its all your fault
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[19:25] <nerdboy> distributed processing
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[19:57] <TuxBlackEdo> does anyone here have a time machine?
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[19:57] <BurtyB> I'll tell you yesterday
[19:58] <mrneb> if I did you would already know
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[19:59] <Bushmills> my bread rolls are very fresh. i only bought them tomorrow
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[20:19] <Datalink> hm, I wonder if there's a way to have autofs run a script when media's attached
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[20:24] <Bushmills> autofs doesn't react to attaching media. it reacts to trying to access that media
[20:24] <Bushmills> unless you call mounting media attaching media
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[20:25] <Bushmills> and correction, trying to access the mountpoint for that media.
[20:27] <nickdaly> does anyone know of a multistrap config for Raspbian? I'm trying to build an image from sources and am having a bit of trouble getting started with cross-compiling everythign
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[20:34] <baga> How can I best setup a webcam live stream from a (mobile - in movement) raspberry pi? I was thinking like ffmpeg stream, sending it to a ffserver (linux box/server) then redistributing it from the ffserver to a HTTP interface so other people can watch from the browser. I firured out how to record using ffmpeg then stream it to my ffserver (ubuntu 12.04) box, but have no idea how to redirect the output from the ffserver to the web. Any
[20:34] <baga> ideas?
[20:36] <Bushmills> icecast, for example. use an upstream client to get video there.
[20:36] <JakeSays> gordonDrogon: is wiringPi compatible with armel? i'm getting build errors
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[20:37] <Bushmills> i thought that avconv replaced ffmpeg
[20:37] <zero_coder> hello
[20:38] <gordonDrogon> JakeSays, shouldn't be any issues - you mean under Debian rather than Raspbian ?
[20:38] <JakeSays> gordonDrogon: i'm using the armel build of raspian wheezy
[20:38] <gordonDrogon> JakeSays, does not compute.
[20:39] <gordonDrogon> Raspbian is armhf, isn't it?
[20:39] <JakeSays> gordonDrogon: Soft-float Debian “wheezy” - so yeah debian (although the page says "identical to raspian wheesy"
[20:39] <JakeSays> raspbian*
[20:40] <zero_coder> at what price can I get a pi in india?
[20:40] <JakeSays> would be less confusing if they just said "soft float raspbian wheezy"
[20:40] <gordonDrogon> someone has taken Raspbian and produced a separate soft-float version??? What on earth for?
[20:40] <JakeSays> gordonDrogon: there's always been a softfloat version
[20:40] <JakeSays> i think its mostly for running the jvm
[20:40] <gordonDrogon> JakeSays, of Raspain? This is news to me. There is standard Debian which is soft-float - is that what you mean?
[20:41] <JakeSays> gordonDrogon: http://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads
[20:41] <JakeSays> second download
[20:41] <gordonDrogon> Right. That's Debian. not Raspbian.
[20:41] <gordonDrogon> both are Wheezy.
[20:41] <Gadget-Mac> Evening all
[20:41] <gordonDrogon> however... it should compile OK. What error message do you get?
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[20:42] <JakeSays> i assumed it was raspbian built with different switches
[20:42] <gordonDrogon> technically its the other way round - Raspbian is Debian built with different switches..
[20:42] <Gadget-Mac> gordonDrogon: max31855 working in wiringPi for 3 days now :)
[20:42] <JakeSays> but then i really have no idea what the difference is between raspbian and debian. seems a bit incestuous to me. lol
[20:42] <JakeSays> ah ok
[20:42] <gordonDrogon> Gadget-Mac, excellent! Thanks for that. Sorry I've not been here recently - been busy elsehwere.
[20:43] <JakeSays> /usr/bin/ld: error: wiringShift.o uses VFP register arguments, libwiringPi.so.2.0 does not
[20:43] <JakeSays> /usr/bin/ld: failed to merge target specific data of file wiringShift.o
[20:43] <JakeSays> gordonDrogon: ^
[20:43] <baga> Bushmills, "Icecast, the project, is a collection of programs and libraries for streaming audio over the Internet." from their website. Can Icecast also stream video?
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[20:43] <gordonDrogon> JakeSays, Hm.
[20:43] <JakeSays> however it may be a dirty build - i copied it from an armhf sdcard and ran build xclean
[20:43] <Bushmills> baga: yes, it can
[20:44] <JakeSays> gordonDrogon: lol um, i ran clean incorrectly
[20:44] <gordonDrogon> JakeSays, have you done a make clean?
[20:44] <Bushmills> though it needs, iirc, theora encorded video
[20:44] <gordonDrogon> JakeSays, Ah :) ./build clean ; ./build uninstall ; ./build
[20:45] <baga> Bushmills, ok I'm gonna do some research on it and see if I can get it to meet my needs. tnx
[20:45] <JakeSays> gordonDrogon: no need for uninstall - is never been installed
[20:45] <JakeSays> but build worked this time :)
[20:45] <gordonDrogon> JakeSays, it's harmless anyway...
[20:45] <Bushmills> i was toying with it a while ago, and had it stream videos
[20:46] <baga> Bushmills, can I stream only directly from raspi? or can I use it to upload videos to a server which then redistributes?
[20:47] <nickdaly> If I'm looking to build my own raspbian image, is there any documentation on a good place to start?
[20:47] <Bushmills> that's the idea. upstream client on raspi, icecast on a backbone server
[20:47] <gbaman> nickdaly: spindle https://github.com/asb/spindle
[20:47] <baga> oh, ok i think i'm gonna research a bit more before asking stupid questions :) tnx
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[20:53] <i-make-robots> hi! I've got a pi connected to an arduino vis usb serial. I want to send messages back and forth. wrinkle: my entire ui for this robot is through a LAMP (php) web page. how do?
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[20:54] <nickdaly> gbaman: thanks, but spindle also downloads a number of prebuilt files, like system-image-armv6l.tar.bz2, with no instructions on building that...
[20:56] <i-make-robots> i have already succeeded in bash at echoing data to the arduino and using tail -f to get data back.
[20:56] <i-make-robots> what I don't have is a way to get that data to the php session running on the LAMP stack.
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[20:57] <Bushmills> i-make-robots: talking off my head now: launch a terminal on ttyUSBx, the device to talk to usb-to-serial, and have arduino send GET URLs for sending to robot webserver
[20:59] <Bushmills> filter replies through tml2text before sending back through ttyUSB to arduino
[20:59] <Bushmills> html2text
[20:59] <JakeSays> man that just sounds awful
[21:00] <Skullclown> > have arduino send GET URLs for sending to robot webserver
[21:00] <Skullclown> that sentence o.o
[21:00] <Bushmills> thanks :)
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[21:00] <JakeSays> i would suggest writing a proper daemon to interact with the arduino
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[21:16] <NetBat> evening Pi pickers :)
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[21:22] <JakeSays> gordonDrogon: is there no shutdown method that corresponds with the wiringPiSetup* methods?
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[21:23] <JakeSays> gordonDrogon: btw i'm starting my .net wrapper for wiringPi today
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[21:29] <NetBat> folks: has anyone bought one of these? http://www.adafruit.com/products/962
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[21:29] <NetBat> just wondering how well they work
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[21:31] <Bushmills> i reckon the folks at adafruit know better whether they have sold at least one of those
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[21:32] <snowzone> i use a hypermini from the hypershop guys
[21:32] <Xark> NetBat: I have this one http://www.amazon.com/Sony-CP-A2LS-Portable-Charger-Battery/dp/B005XJWR5O and it gets ~4-5 hours of RPi use (doing OpenGL tests, not idling).
[21:32] <Xark> NetBat: Looks slightly larger, but is probably similar.
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[21:33] <i-make-robots> JakeSays: how horrible is writing a daemon?
[21:34] <JakeSays> i-make-robots: heh. never written one on linux, but iirc its not much different than writing a regular console app
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[21:35] <snowzone> i've written ones in perl, when i wanted something quick and dirty
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[21:35] <NetBat> thanks, Xark and everyone
[21:35] <NetBat> Xark: how long does a full recharge take?
[21:35] <Xark> i-make-robots: Basically just a certain convention in a console app makes a daemon (forking without stdin/stdout/stderr I believe). http://www.danielhall.me/2010/01/writing-a-daemon-in-c/
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[21:36] <Xark> NetBat: Hmm, good question. I am not sure I have carefully measured it (typically overnight).
[21:36] <NetBat> right
[21:38] <Xark> NetBat: My impression is an hour or two (but take that with a grain of salt). Also depends on how depleted (other than the endurance test I mentioned, I generally don't "go to zero" - too hard on battery).
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[21:38] <Xark> NetBat: The Sony one has a nice little 5 LED "fullness" indicator which is handy.
[21:39] <mumbles> if anyone is bored
[21:39] <JakeSays> Xark: hey cool article. ty for the link
[21:39] <mumbles> can you look for this belvedere s - Lumo rs 180 gp470 part no 36819
[21:39] <Xark> JakeSays: NP. :)
[21:39] <NetBat> thanks xark
[21:42] <Xark> NetBat: I also have this smaller one (but for RPi I suggest the bigger one). http://www.amazon.com/Sony-CP-ELS-Portable-Charger-Battery/dp/B005XJWS30
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[21:56] <bts__> hello, where from can I get some documentation connected with Pi usb controller? the one mentioned in bcm2835 manual is not available
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[22:00] <Bushmills> broadcom? docs? watch out they don't pass you a pin, for pricking your finger to sign with blood
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[22:04] <bts__> hm it's bad, do they want me to waste my life doing disassembly?
[22:05] <SpeedEvil> no.
[22:05] <SpeedEvil> they want you to go away.
[22:05] <SpeedEvil> broadcom has precisely zero interest in small volume sales and customers.
[22:07] <IT_Sean> what is bts__ trying to do?
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[22:10] <KanjiMonster> iirc the pi usb controller isn't from broadcom, it's a softcore bought from a third party
[22:10] <KanjiMonster> synaptics
[22:10] <gxx> What the name of the project, that you use a ubuntu server, and use the raspberry pi to connect to it, its either a thin or fat client?
[22:11] <KanjiMonster> bts__: ^
[22:11] <gxx> Come on, someone has to know the name of it
[22:11] * bts__ is trying to improve keyboard support in his primitive os
[22:11] <bts__> IT_Sean: ^
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[22:12] <Ricksl> raspberry pi thin client project? http://rpitc.blogspot.com/
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[22:13] <gxx> I saw that on google, but I don't think thats the one I'm looking for..
[22:13] <IT_Sean> ahh
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[22:13] <i-make-robots> xark - thanks!
[22:14] <gxx> Oh wait, I think its using a raspberry pi, loaded with a very small ISO that connect to the ubuntu server, and runs full ubuntu from the server, I believe its almost like PXE
[22:14] <KanjiMonster> bts__: synopsis it was; it see http://www.synopsys.com/dw/ipdir.php?ds=dwc_usb_2_0_hs_otg - they claim to offer a datasheet for your personal info
[22:14] <bts__> KanjiMonster: ok I found it, this third party is synopsis
[22:14] <bts__> (:
[22:14] <gxx> It pretty much is PXE, but since the pi can't boot with the network[usb hub] it just make thats able to connect to a pxe ubuntu server
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[22:16] <Bushmills> sounds like an nfs-root kernel on pi
[22:16] <Bushmills> booting that one, and mounting root fs from remote server
[22:17] <Bushmills> with pxe, the kernel could also be transferred over the net during boot
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[22:17] <gxx> uh, its getting back to my memory, you need to setup a dhcp server, and other stuff on the ubuntu server, and the server needs two nics, and they have an iso so it'll boot & connect to the pxe ubuntu server...
[22:18] <Bushmills> yes. and a tftp seerver too
[22:18] <nerdboy> now that's what i call a handy wrapper...
[22:18] <Bushmills> two nics should be unnecessary
[22:19] <Bushmills> well, all that server one main purpose: getting the kernel to client
[22:19] <Bushmills> not needed if kernel is already on the client
[22:19] <Bushmills> all that *serves* ...
[22:19] <bts__> uh, this doc from synopsys explains hardly anything
[22:19] <gxx> There was a webpage/website, that had all the info, on the ISO you need to download, and then a guide to setting up the server [ubuntu 12.04,dhpc,etc] trying to find that website with google but not having good luck :(
[22:20] <Bushmills> wouldn't work - pi needs different binaries
[22:21] <gxx> I know, its using a standard ubuntu iso, on a normal server/desktop [amd64/i368], and then using the pi to connect to it
[22:21] <Bushmills> pi can't run "standard" (probably x86) binaries.
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[22:23] <gxx> But the pi will be running an arm iso, I don't believe, its extactly like a PXE where the raspberry runs the x86 binaries
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[22:23] <JakeSays> i imagine the pi could run x86 binaries with qemu
[22:23] <Bushmills> eh?
[22:24] <Bushmills> "like a PXE where the raspberry runs the x86 binaries" ??
[22:24] <gxx> not extactly that
[22:24] <JakeSays> Bushmills: PXE == pre-execution environment, which is a shaved down version of windows that runs during install/recovery
[22:24] <SpeedEvil> Bushmills: Like that, but about a thousand times slower.
[22:25] <gxx> I'm using the wrong terms, its like PXE, but its not
[22:25] <Bushmills> ah, misread. the punctuation set me on wrong foot
[22:25] <JakeSays> gxx: sure you dont mean EFI?
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[22:26] <Bushmills> "I don't believe, its extactly..." i know read as "I don't believe its extactly..."
[22:26] <Bushmills> now read ...
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[22:28] <gxx> Its not PXE, but its similar, I don't know the extact terms, but its pretty much having a stadnard desktop running ubuntu, with dhcp[and a few others] and then downloading a small ISO for the pi, booting the pi, and it'll boot from the ubuntu server [running the full GUI of ubuntu]
[22:28] <Bushmills> well, if you have a populated root on server, an nfs-root kernel on pi could take advantage of it by mounting and using that as its remote harddisk
[22:28] <Bushmills> no pxe or netbooting or dhcp or tftp or whatever needed
[22:30] <Bushmills> i suppose the pi-as-slim-client does something very similar. haven't checked that out yet
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[22:30] <Bushmills> thin client, even
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[22:31] <Bushmills> though dhcp does help, as those pi clients still need a network config.
[22:32] <gxx> The server[x86,ubuntu] runs all the software on its own hardware, but the raspberry pi pretty much acts as a VNC client connecting to it. However its just uses a small ISO on the pi to boot & then connect to the ubuntu server
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[22:32] <gxx> Pretty much all the processing is done on the server, not the pi
[22:33] <Bushmills> that's more like pi as X-terminal
[22:34] <Bushmills> no special config needed for that - pi should be able to do that out of the box
[22:34] <Bushmills> (well, booting into a stock linux distribution for raspberry)
[22:34] <JakeSays> gxx: so you're thinking of something like live-cd or bootp. pxe is a windows thing.
[22:34] <gxx> So the correct terms, is using the pi as a thin client/x-terminal, connected to a server?
[22:35] <JakeSays> yes
[22:35] <mrneb> jaeckel: just to correct you pxe is a ibm pc net-booting thing :) you can use pxe to boot linux
[22:36] <mrneb> that was meant for JakeSays
[22:36] <JakeSays> mrneb: ah ok. i'm only familiar with the windows usage of it, which has nothing to do with net booting
[22:37] <gxx> I think I found it on google, using berryterminal
[22:37] <JakeSays> hmm. actually maybe the windows thing is just PE
[22:37] <JakeSays> cant remember.. been a while.
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[22:37] <Bushmills> pxe was introduced by intel, afaik
[22:38] <gxx> Would running berryterminal be faster [since the server is doing all the processing] for usage on the desktop?
[22:39] <JakeSays> gxx: depends on what you're doing if you have 20 chromium windows open.. yeah the server will be much faster.
[22:39] <JakeSays> however if you're running vim, i imagine local would be faster
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[22:39] <gxx> vim?
[22:39] <Bushmills> advantage of xterminals (which run xservers), connecting to a server (machine) running xclients is that your resources can be concentrated on one machine
[22:40] <Bushmills> upgrading cpu, ram, disks etc leads to all clients reaping benefit from it
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[22:40] <Bushmills> so in a way, it could potentially be faster
[22:40] <JakeSays> isnt the terminology backward? the 'server' is really the client
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[22:40] <JakeSays> in x land
[22:41] <IT_Sean> The downside is, if the server OR network conks out, the thin clinets are useless.
[22:41] <gxx> Well the server I have, is a Q6600 3GB DDR2 & 160HDD w/ 10/100nic
[22:41] <Bushmills> if you distinguish between "machine" and "service", it makes more sense
[22:41] <Bushmills> the machine is a client, but the program on the client is a server
[22:41] <gxx> I'm guessing the bottle-neck on the server is running the 10/100nic? but since the pi's have 10/100 that shouldn't be a problem, unless I'm connecting more then one pi to it?
[22:42] <Bushmills> it offers services to paint on its screen
[22:42] <JakeSays> gxx: the bottleneck will be the 3gb ram
[22:42] <gxx> Since its a low amount, or because its ddr2? Or mainly the amount & some of the ram?
[22:42] <JakeSays> amount
[22:42] <JakeSays> well, again, it all depends on what you're doing.
[22:43] <gxx> I would upgrade it, but the cost of ddr2 ram is crazy
[22:43] <gxx> I was thinking of getting a GB-nic card, thinking that was the bottle-neck, but that isn't the case, its more on the ram?
[22:44] <JakeSays> i would be really surprised if you were able to saturate a 100mb link
[22:44] <JakeSays> before you ran out of memory
[22:44] <JakeSays> however you could use vnc which is apparently a lot more resource friendly than raw x
[22:45] <chithead> or nx
[22:45] <JakeSays> chithead: not familiar with nx
[22:46] <gxx> What the socket of a Q6600?
[22:46] <gxx> 1366?
[22:46] <mrneb> 775
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[22:48] <gxx> There is a motherboard, made by asrock, using the 755 socket, but it has 2Dimms for ddr2, and 2 dimms for ddr3, has anyone heard of this?
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[22:48] <gxx> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157359
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[22:51] * BurtyB *shudders* at asrock
[22:52] <gxx> But the odd part, is it allowing 775 sockets to use ddr3 ram, which I have no idea how that works, but would be faster?
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[22:54] <gxx> Anyways, thanks for the help with my questions guys
[22:54] <gxx> Gonna do some more research on berryterminal and the like
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[23:02] <snowzone> /buffer +1
[23:02] <snowzone> well that didn't work
[23:03] <Tachyon`> any ideas what would make my pi kernel panic seemingly at random but only in hot weather?
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[23:05] <Tachyon`> I can only think of a bad BGA connection on the main package but given I can't fix that, other suggestions would be welcome
[23:05] <IT_Sean> what's it's core temp?
[23:05] <Tachyon`> how do I find that?
[23:06] <Tachyon`> it's noticably absent from /proc/cpuinfo...
[23:07] <IT_Sean> Sorry, i don't recall the command
[23:07] <IT_Sean> Is the chip in the middle too hot to touch?
[23:07] <ShadowJK> /sys/class/hwmon/hwmon0/device/ or something like that
[23:08] <Tachyon`> ah, found it, it's at 55.1C
[23:08] <IT_Sean> 55c is fine
[23:08] <Tachyon`> turned out it was /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd measure_temp
[23:08] <Tachyon`> not very obvious
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[23:09] <Tachyon`> this pi has never been right since I got it though, might just buy another and turn this one into something non-critical like a mini arcade cabinet
[23:09] <IT_Sean> o_O
[23:10] <Tachyon`> oddly my 256 was always bombproof, you'd think the 512 would be more reliable,not less
[23:10] <Tachyon`> but maybe I just got a dodgy one
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[23:11] <Tachyon`> seems to always fail when doing something with teh USB or ethernet
[23:11] <Tachyon`> which is I suppose itself a USB device, so maybe that
[23:11] <Tachyon`> it also sometimes boots up and refuses to see any USB devices at all and nothing but a power cycle will fix it
[23:11] <IT_Sean> Starting to sound like a power issue
[23:12] <Tachyon`> odd, the fuse is linked out and there's only a USB keyboard/mosue dongle on it
[23:12] <IT_Sean> "I cannoh do it cap'in, i donah 'ave the powah!"
[23:12] <Tachyon`> I could try my samsung supply and see if the problem goes away
[23:12] <IT_Sean> what kind of power supply are you using?
[23:12] <Tachyon`> that one is 2A
[23:12] <Tachyon`> a 1A one atm
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[23:12] <IT_Sean> 1A should do
[23:13] <Tachyon`> it should, I wonder if it's deteriorated oer time
[23:13] <IT_Sean> but, it may be a crap supply.
[23:13] <Tachyon`> well, yeah, cheap amazon job
[23:13] <Tachyon`> probably has chinese caps, if it weren't glued together I'd open it and look
[23:14] <IT_Sean> you are going to let some glue stop you!?
[23:14] <IT_Sean> For shame!
[23:14] <Tachyon`> well, I was just looking at the dremel
[23:14] <Tachyon`> but mains, heh
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[23:20] <Tachyon`> ah well, swapped, we shall see
[23:20] <zombieman> hey guys i have a question how do i chainge the keyboard layout on my pi
[23:21] <Bushmills> what operating systen?
[23:21] <zombieman> when i try something like a hashtag it turns into a �
[23:21] <Encrypt> zombieman, run raspi-config ? ;)
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[23:22] <IT_Sean> your keyboard layout is not correct.
[23:22] <IT_Sean> :p
[23:22] <IT_Sean> Sounds like a UK layout.
[23:22] <zombieman> that and itseems to quit working after a little bit i have to unplug it and plug it back in
[23:23] <IT_Sean> that's weihd
[23:24] <zombieman> ha just set the time zone finally
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[23:24] <Bushmills> i'd do dpkg-reconfigure console-date assuming there's raspbian or similar running
[23:25] <zombieman> they dont have us layout there ALL uk
[23:25] <Bushmills> data, not date
[23:25] <snowzone> tzselect?
[23:25] <IT_Sean> zombieman, what OS are you using?
[23:25] <NullMoogleCable> http://megarpi.nickpreda.it/
[23:25] <Bushmills> he decliined to tell
[23:25] <NullMoogleCable> O.O
[23:26] <zombieman> found it under oher
[23:26] <zombieman> is the internnational altgr keys a good layout under us
[23:27] <Bushmills> us keyboard doesnÄt have the alt-gr key afaik
[23:27] <zombieman> i dont know which one to pick
[23:27] <Dagger2> they usually have right alt keys that do the job
[23:27] <Bushmills> the one matching your keyboard
[23:27] <Dagger2> they just won't have the "Gr" written on the key
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[23:28] <zombieman> is the gr the windows key or the alt keys?
[23:28] <zombieman> it is askingfor the function of the altgr keys
[23:28] <Bushmills> it's one of the alt keys. the right one
[23:29] <zombieman> and the compose key?
[23:29] <Bushmills> that's a mapping of a key function to a physical key
[23:30] <zombieman> shou;d i just put no compose key
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[23:31] <Bushmills> we can't dictate the preferences you'll have to adapt to.
[23:31] <Bushmills> that's akin to asking "shall i set my background to blue or green"
[23:31] <zombieman> i just dont understand them yet never had to deal with them before so im trying to learn
[23:32] <zombieman> i just wont the keyboard to work normally
[23:32] <Bushmills> then map them if you're curious about them, or don't if you aren't
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[23:36] <Bushmills> you're welcome
[23:36] <snowzone> :)
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[23:39] <zombieman> this is a terst #raspberrypi
[23:39] <zombieman> yes it worked i have a hashtag
[23:40] <zombieman> thanks for the help
[23:40] <IT_Sean> ...
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[23:41] <nerdboy> https://github.com/sarnold/meta-raspberrypi/wiki/RPiImageSetup <= initial setup doc
[23:41] <nerdboy> wife distracted me, so i'm not quite finished yet...
[23:41] <zombieman> lol
[23:42] <nerdboy> brasil and spain are about to play
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[23:43] <Bushmills> shall the winner win
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[23:47] <nerdboy> okay, one more image rebuild and update the document with some links...
[23:48] <KiltedPi> urhghhghgh
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[23:48] <KiltedPi> I've a thermistor hooked up, and although I was recieving data yesterday, I'm not anymore.
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[23:49] <KiltedPi> The datasheet says it "requires 14 clock
[23:49] <KiltedPi> cycles" but i don't know exactly how I can enter that,
[23:49] <nerdboy> shouldn't have to wait long for that...
[23:49] <KiltedPi> The minimum is 500,000 on gordons wiringpi library...
[23:49] <KiltedPi> hah!
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[23:49] <KiltedPi> Its 14 bits of data, nerdboy-
[23:49] <KiltedPi> in binary
[23:49] <KiltedPi> But i've a runtime error of some sort.
[23:50] <KiltedPi> No bits displaying in the c code I wrote.
[23:50] <KiltedPi> And Its definately detecting the Integrated circuit
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[23:51] <KiltedPi> I've got a function, from wiringPi.- "WiringPiSPIDataRW()"
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[23:52] <KiltedPi> And it executed okay yesterday
[23:52] <KiltedPi> I got a bunch of the ? unicode character
[23:52] <KiltedPi> But it was still data. Now I'm recieving nothing urghh
[23:53] <KiltedPi> Hahaha
[23:53] <KiltedPi> OKay. Its RANDOMLY working now
[23:53] * Adityab (~textual@ Quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
[23:54] <ShorTie> loose connection
[23:54] * Orion__ (~Orion_@ Quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
[23:54] <KiltedPi> thats the only explanation
[23:54] <KiltedPi> I have no idea why else it wasn't workng
[23:55] <KiltedPi> It was odd tho, because the function returns a -1-
[23:55] <KiltedPi> -1*
[23:55] <KiltedPi> Anyway!
[23:55] <KiltedPi> Now all i need to do, is figure out how to get rid of the unicode ?
[23:55] <KiltedPi> I've got 10 bits.
[23:55] <KiltedPi> sorry-
[23:55] <KiltedPi> 14 bits
[23:56] <KiltedPi> 14 bits of binary, displaying in my C code
[23:56] * KiltedPi googles
[23:56] <KiltedPi> I can't wait til I can post some good stuff on the forums.
[23:56] * pecorade_ (~pecorade@host252-250-dynamic.19-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
[23:56] <KiltedPi> About getting this working. So other pi users can measure temperature
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[23:57] * Tickle (~hunter@c-98-253-186-186.hsd1.in.comcast.net) has joined #raspberrypi
[23:59] * cave (~cave@194-118-170-115.adsl.highway.telekom.at) Quit (Quit: Verlassend)
[23:59] * Encrypt (~Chuck-nor@AMontsouris-553-1-119-27.w92-151.abo.wanadoo.fr) Quit (Quit: Quitte)
[23:59] <i-make-robots> ok, i can store messages from the arduino and display them in PHP. now to see if I can send messages from php to arduino without reseting the robot. i guess I'll need a leonardo?
[23:59] * [SkG] (~sconde@unaffiliated/skg/x-897332) Quit (Quit: Saliendo)

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