#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2013-07-01

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[0:47] <KiltedPi> okay!
[0:48] <KiltedPi> I get a weird (?) character, a unicode thing
[0:48] <KiltedPi> Where there should be 1's and Zeros
[0:48] <KiltedPi> in my c code
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[0:50] <KiltedPi> I'm using this function : "printf("%s", buffer);
[0:50] <KiltedPi> But I'm getting the weird ? unicode where I should get 1's and Zeros
[0:50] <KiltedPi> What should I do?
[0:50] <pksato> and buffer have a char array with valid ascii char codes?
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[0:51] <KiltedPi> roger that
[0:51] <KiltedPi> Its an unsigned char array
[0:51] <KiltedPi> Mysterious, no?
[0:52] <KiltedPi> Well- The second part there-
[0:52] <KiltedPi> "with valid ascii char codes?" - I'm not sure! As the buffer is data streaming from a thermistor hooked up to the GPIO
[0:52] <KiltedPi> The code compiles fine.
[0:52] <KiltedPi> Its a run time problem
[0:53] <pksato> You get a K&R C book?
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[0:53] <KiltedPi> I do one single read of the buffer- 14 bits of data. And I have 14 characters
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[0:53] <KiltedPi> Will it be in there, pksato?
[0:53] <pksato> you geting a not formated data.
[0:53] <KiltedPi> I've got a pdf of it
[0:54] <pksato> firt, you need to convert to usable information.
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[0:55] <KiltedPi> Ah!
[0:55] <KiltedPi> So what i'm getting is binary-
[0:55] <KiltedPi> And I need to convert it THEN display!
[0:55] <KiltedPi> That makes alot of sense!
[0:55] <KiltedPi> I owe you a coke pksato! :D
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[0:56] <KiltedPi> I'm giving it raw data. Which as any Frank Herberts "Dune" fan knows is bad for you. RAW UN-REFINED SPICE!
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[0:56] * KiltedPi watched dune again last nite
[0:56] <ozzzy> movie or miniseries
[0:56] <KiltedPi> So you think If I convert it from binary to decimal format, it should be okay?
[0:57] <KiltedPi> movie
[0:57] <pksato> no.
[0:57] <KiltedPi> It seems odd-
[0:57] <KiltedPi> Ah.
[0:57] <KiltedPi> I'm using the wiringpi library pksato, gordons thing.
[0:57] <KiltedPi> But he's not about :(
[0:57] <pksato> you need to know, how sensor send it. how wirinpi store it.
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[0:58] <KiltedPi> I've compiled some c, which links wiringpi yes
[0:58] <KiltedPi> it sends it as binary
[0:58] <KiltedPi> the thermistor data sheet says that much
[0:58] <KiltedPi> 14 bits every cycle
[0:58] <pksato> sensor send msb fisrt, and fist bit is a signal.
[0:59] <KiltedPi> msb?
[0:59] <KiltedPi> The datasheet says the first bit is signage.
[1:00] <KiltedPi> I thought that mean (-) or (+), (The data is essentially a temperature reading)
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[1:01] <ozzzy> 14 bit sounds like binary coded float
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[1:01] <KiltedPi> Yeah?
[1:01] <pksato> I don remember if is a float.
[1:01] <KiltedPi> Here's the table from the datasheet, if you are interested! : http://i679.photobucket.com/albums/vv158/NightsBane666/BLOODYANNOYINGBITOPERATION_zpsa086671a.png
[1:02] <KiltedPi> The datasheet is awful you see. And the operating system for the software (And .exe) they give you- is windows xp and windows 7
[1:02] <KiltedPi> I wanted to hack it anyway.
[1:02] <KiltedPi> I've emailed them, but they haven't responded.
[1:03] <KiltedPi> ozzy, its still binary tho eh? whether its representing a float or whatever
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[1:04] <KiltedPi> The problem might be with wiringpi then?
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[1:04] <pksato> KiltedPi: try printf("value: %d\n",buffer);
[1:04] <KiltedPi> roger that mate!
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[1:05] <KiltedPi> trying now.
[1:05] <KiltedPi> I really appreciate this, I've been googling and trying all sorts of stuff. to no joy.
[1:06] <KiltedPi> HO HO!
[1:06] <KiltedPi> pksato!
[1:06] <KiltedPi> We have NUMBERS
[1:06] <KiltedPi> not binary
[1:06] <KiltedPi> how odd!
[1:06] <pksato> declare buffer as shor int (16bits).
[1:06] <KiltedPi> but numbers still. thats gotta be an improvement!
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[1:06] <pksato> short
[1:07] <pksato> all computer data are binary.
[1:07] <KiltedPi> Nah no joy. It returned an error in wiringPi "Expected unsigned char * but argument was of type short int"
[1:07] <pksato> %d only print it as decimal form.
[1:08] <pksato> oh..
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[1:08] <KiltedPi> Its a wiringPi function, that reads and writes to buffer
[1:08] <KiltedPi> from the SPI interface
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[1:10] <KiltedPi> the number it comes up with is -1098750596
[1:11] <Bushmills> temperature sensors don't usually have a resolution of 14 bits
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[1:12] <pksato> Bushmills: it is not adc value.
[1:12] <pksato> KiltedPi: is using cold junction processor chip.
[1:13] <pksato> datasheet have a math to convert it to humam readable temperature.
[1:13] <KiltedPi> I think thats correct
[1:13] <KiltedPi> Yeah!
[1:13] <KiltedPi> I times it by 0.25, according to the datasheet table
[1:14] <KiltedPi> 22.2 degrees celcius is my room temp
[1:14] <[Saint]> That's insane...
[1:14] <[Saint]> Why doesn't it do such a trivial function itself?
[1:14] <KiltedPi> Is that hot?
[1:14] <KiltedPi> I'm hacking it
[1:14] <KiltedPi> I wrote the code myself
[1:14] <[Saint]> No, the fact you need to do the conversion, not the temp.
[1:14] <KiltedPi> :)
[1:14] <[Saint]> Aha.
[1:14] <KiltedPi> lol
[1:14] <KiltedPi> I know what you mean, the integrated circuit?
[1:16] <KiltedPi> I'm still sceptical about the numbers
[1:17] <KiltedPi> they don't change by enough when I hold the thermistors end. I fear
[1:19] <KiltedPi> ah.. well .. they do a little bit.. actually.. that could be right still
[1:20] <KiltedPi> 23 degrees, when I hold one end
[1:22] <Tachyon`> oh well, seems it wasn't the psu
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[1:23] <KiltedPi> Here's the table for the conversion, I'm pretty sure all i need to do to convert the binary to the representative decimal temperature is multiply the reading I get from the thermistor by 0.25. What do you think? The reading i get and then display in my c code, however using printf("%d", buffer"); is a number like "-1098267467"
[1:23] <KiltedPi> http://i679.photobucket.com/albums/vv158/NightsBane666/BLOODYANNOYINGBITOPERATION_zpsa086671a.png
[1:23] <KiltedPi> Thats the table.
[1:24] <KiltedPi> Shouldn't the number I display be 1's and zeros? i.e Binary? Thats what I recieve on the SPI interface, but its giving out the weird -1xxxxxxxxxx number
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[1:25] <Bushmills> the number *is* ones and zeroes
[1:25] <IT_Sean> wheh
[1:25] <Bushmills> how you present it on output is determined by your program
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[1:25] <Bushmills> even letters in a string are ones and zeroes
[1:26] <IT_Sean> the letters you are reading right now right --> HERE <-- are 1s and 0s
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[1:27] <IT_Sean> it's ALL ones and zeros, man!
[1:27] <ripzay> if you're going to go to that level then you may as well go one step further
[1:27] <ripzay> 1 / 0 are just representations of boolean values
[1:27] <ripzay> as is true / false
[1:27] <ripzay> as is high / low
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[1:28] <KiltedPi^> Laptop batt!
[1:28] <ripzay> volts, no volts %_%
[1:28] <KiltedPi^> I'm back!
[1:28] <KiltedPi^> Urgh
[1:28] <KiltedPi^> I needed volts for my laptop a minute ago, for sure
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[1:29] <pksato> KiltedPi^: real word data aquisition is not easy task.
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[1:30] <pksato> on case, is simple bit manipulation.
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[1:33] <KiltedPi> gragh. bad connection i have tonire
[1:33] <KiltedPi> tonite.
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[1:34] <KiltedPi> The problem, is, essentially- I am recieving numbers from the Integrated Circuit which is connected to the thermistor- But!- those numbers, although varying, are not in binary format as I expected, but instead a series of numbers-
[1:35] <Bushmills> series of numbers are binary format too
[1:35] <KiltedPi> perhaps my problem is the clocking in my SPI?
[1:36] <KiltedPi> not 1010101010101
[1:36] <Bushmills> i think a problem is getting a grasp of binary data
[1:36] <KiltedPi> But a number like "-1029848342"
[1:36] <[Saint]> Maybe it is binary, in some odd base yet to be discovered ;)
[1:36] <KiltedPi> base 23098324093205738495
[1:36] <KiltedPi> :)
[1:36] <[Saint]> :)
[1:37] <KiltedPi> Well. Thats me problem in a nut shell
[1:37] <Bushmills> you'd have digits beyond Z with radix > 36
[1:37] <Bushmills> foobar in radix 36 is decimal 948437811
[1:38] <Bushmills> as soon as base is 37, you need a new digit to represent the numeric value of a digit with value 36
[1:39] <Bushmills> with 0..9 and a...z you only have up to 35
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[1:40] <Bushmills> a 14-bit number in base 23098324093205738495 would just consist of one single digit ...
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[1:41] <KiltedPi> Well!
[1:41] <KiltedPi> Me problem is probably clocking. Could that affect the numbers?
[1:42] <KiltedPi> It says it requires 14 clock cycles.
[1:42] <KiltedPi> The same as the amount of bits, oddly enough
[1:42] <KiltedPi> I am doing a single read, for 14 bits.
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[1:43] <pksato> KiltedPi: you set intial value to buffer?
[1:43] <Bushmills> i'd output the readout in binary, continuously, and look which bit chances with what frequency when heating or cooling the sensor
[1:43] <KiltedPi> I'll look into yhat
[1:43] <Bushmills> which bits ..
[1:43] <KiltedPi> buffers initial value is set as an unsigned char[10]
[1:43] <Bushmills> change ..
[1:44] <KiltedPi> Yeah, the first bit is always -1
[1:44] <Bushmills> it's either 0 or 1
[1:44] <Bushmills> there are no -1 bits
[1:44] <KiltedPi> the number i read here is -1XXXXXXXXXX
[1:44] <KiltedPi> where X is a fluctuating set of numbers between 1-9
[1:45] <Bushmills> i guess your idea of "bit" may be a bit peculiar
[1:45] <Bushmills> you may want to read up a bit about two's complement number representation
[1:46] <KiltedPi> I know binary is either 1 or 0
[1:46] <Bushmills> bits are binary
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[1:46] <KiltedPi> The first digit(
[1:46] <KiltedPi> i meant to say
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[1:46] <KiltedPi> the digits i'm getting are -1xxxxxxxxxx where x is a fluctuating number between 1-9
[1:46] <Bushmills> "(01:43:24) Bushmills: i'd output the readout in binary.." -. you can't see the change of bit patterns when outputting signed decimal
[1:47] <Bushmills> but feel free to choose your own approach
[1:47] <KiltedPi> I don't understand. Thats my problem. I want to output it in binary
[1:48] <KiltedPi> its outputting in a -1xxxxxxxxxx where x is a fluctuating number between 1-9
[1:48] <Bushmills> "it" is .. means, *your program* is
[1:48] <Bushmills> "it" doesn't do it just by itself.
[1:48] <KiltedPi> Thats right Bushmills.
[1:48] <Bushmills> it does so because you instructed it to do so
[1:49] <KiltedPi> Right. I'll try a diff approach once more.
[1:51] <rbenv> hey! has anyone already messed with DSI interface here?
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[1:53] <SpeedEvil> nobody can.
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[1:54] <SpeedEvil> it is on the GPU.
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[1:54] <SpeedEvil> for which there are no docs.
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[2:21] <pksato> my c code have 6 lines. code to format data to binary represetation have 20 lines. :P
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[2:51] <jesselang> Hello. I'm trying to use a PreSonus Audiobox with jackd on Raspbian, but when I start jackd, the network interface soon freezes. I believe the PreSonus is a USB 2 device.
[2:52] <jesselang> Am I in the right channel to ask this question?
[2:55] <JakeSays> SpeedEvil: thats the lcd interface, right?
[2:56] <ShorTie> yup, but you just used it up
[2:57] <ShorTie> wireless or wired ??
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[3:00] <[Saint]> jesselang: its USB 1.1, but, that is largely irrelevant.
[3:01] <[Saint]> For what reason are you using jackd? IIUC, it should enumerate and "Just Work (TM)"
[3:02] <jesselang> ShorTie, wired NIC. I just did an rpi-update, and now it doesn't freeze. But I get all kinds of overruns and get "urb status -32" repeatedly, which keeps rsyslogd really busy and makes the RPi unusable.
[3:02] <[Saint]> USB 1 is plenty fast enough for this application, even the most ridiculous audiophile-quality lossless audio won't make a large dent in the available throughput.
[3:02] <jesselang> [Saint], I'd like to use it for some real-time guitar effects.
[3:03] <[Saint]> Yes, cool...but, that doesn't answer my question.
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[3:03] <jesselang> [Saint], guitarix required jackd.
[3:04] <jesselang> [Saint], if that doesn't answer your question, then I likely wasn't able to pick out what you're asking.
[3:05] <[Saint]> You just did answer it. Thankyou.
[3:05] <jesselang> jackd wouldn't start when I had set the dwc_otg.speed=1 flag in /boot/cmdline.txt
[3:06] <jesselang> That was before the rpi-update. I can try again.
[3:06] <[Saint]> The reason why the network interface hangs is because network and USb are tied together (using the same stack), so excess throughput on one or the other will kill the other one, or hang it up.
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[3:09] <jesselang> [Saint], with dwc_otg.speed=1 flag in /boot/cmdline.txt, I'm am unable to start jackd.
[3:09] <jesselang> I get: INFO:: schedule_periodic: Insufficient periodic bandwidth for periodic transfer.
[3:09] <jesselang> ERROR::dwc_otg_hcd_urb_enqueue:511: DWC OTG HCD URB Enqueue failed adding QTD. Error status -1
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[3:11] <[Saint]> There is a known issue with low-speed USB devices...is it connected directly to the pi, or via a powered hub?
[3:11] <jesselang> Direct.
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[3:12] <[Saint]> To be honest, I'm not sure you'll be able to do this *and* keep networking up...is that going to be an issue?
[3:12] <jesselang> But I do have the pi plugged into a 2A power source.
[3:12] <[Saint]> this will require a LOT of throughput, which will almost certainly exhaust the stack.
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[3:13] <[Saint]> Not with the default settings, anyway.
[3:13] <jesselang> I'd prefer to be able to keep SSH running.
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[3:13] <jesselang> But I'm curious enough to experiment.
[3:13] <[Saint]> You would likely need to adjust vm.min_free_kbytes
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[3:14] <pksato> rpi limit power at 750mA. You can use a magawats PSU, RPi limit it a 3.75W.
[3:14] <jesselang> After the rpi-update, it didn't freeze. So there might be hope.
[3:14] <jesselang> Are you guys suggesting that I should try a powered hub?
[3:15] <[Saint]> quote: "There is an ongoing issue with the Ethernet connection being lost when low-speed devices, such as mice or keyboards are connected via a powered USB hub. The simplest way to solve this is to connect your mouse and keyboard directly into the 2 USB ports on the R-Pi (assuming they draw less than 100 mA apiece)."
[3:15] <[Saint]> Seems I messed up. SOrry.
[3:16] <jesselang> tbh, I don't know how much the PreSonus is drawing. Phantom power is off, so it shouldn't be much.
[3:16] <pksato> jesselang: only hang if start jackd?
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[3:17] <pksato> only jackd, with out any conneced to it?
[3:18] <[Saint]> High network load, or high USB throughput, can wipe the other out - this is a known issue. I suspect that is what is happening.
[3:18] <[Saint]> realtime effects processing is bound to hammer USB with traffic.
[3:19] <[Saint]> "The USB driver allocates memory from the kernel, and when traffic is very high (e.g. when using torrents/newsgroup downloads) this memory can be exhausted causing crashes/hangs. (Crashes with high network load can also be related to your power supply, try a powered usb hub.)" (the same is true in reverse)
[3:19] <jesselang> I just did an rpi-update, and now it doesn't freeze. But I get all kinds of overruns and get "urb status -32" repeatedly, which keeps rsyslogd really busy and makes the RPi unusable.
[3:19] <[Saint]> high network load can == no USB, high USB load can == no network.
[3:20] <jesselang> Even after stopping jackd, the "usb status -32" messages continue, and rsyslogd is busy until I unplug the PreSonus.
[3:21] <[Saint]> Hmmmm.
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[3:23] <jesselang> [Saint], so, how would I go about trying to get this working without networking? Would I have to unbind the NIC and see if the behavior is any different?
[3:24] <[Saint]> The easy solution is to just expand the stack, which should allow you to keep networking up.
[3:24] <jesselang> [Saint], I'm trying to emulate what this guy is doing: http://ampbrownie.com/
[3:25] <jesselang> [Saint], great, how can I expand the stack? Where do I adjust vm.min_free_kbytes?
[3:25] <jesselang> In /boot/cmdline.txt perhaps?
[3:25] <[Saint]> change "vm.min_free_kbytes = 8192" in /etc/sysctl.conf to something a little larger, say, around ~16000
[3:25] <[Saint]> 16384, to make a nice round number.
[3:26] <[Saint]> That _should_ allow you to both hammer USB *and* keep networking up...but, I really am not sure why jackd is being troublesome to begin with.
[3:26] <[Saint]> I have no idea there, sorry.
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[3:32] <jesselang> [Saint], increasing the stack may have done the job.
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[3:33] <[Saint]> Nice.
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[3:36] <jesselang> [Saint], I'll let you know once I get further down the road.
[3:36] <jesselang> But in any case, thank you very much for your help.
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[3:54] * [Saint] needs to figure out a way to detect loss of power
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[3:55] <[Saint]> And then, trigger a safe shutdown, and supply enough juice to allow it to do so.
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[3:57] <ShorTie> ups ??
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[3:59] <ShorTie> relay and big cap maybe ??
[3:59] <[Saint]> I was thinking of a large cap, yes.
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[4:01] <ShorTie> simple relay gives you power outage detection
[4:02] <nerdboy> https://github.com/sarnold/meta-raspberrypi/wiki/Raspberry-Pi-MPD-Image-Setup <= now with working downloads
[4:02] <maxinux> nice nerdboy
[4:03] <maxinux> i just decided that raspi internet radio + mpd streamer is necesary
[4:03] <maxinux> like .. yesterday
[4:04] <[Saint]> "This is the next paragraph" Nice. :)
[4:04] <nerdboy> mpd + lirc + empcd on openbox
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[4:05] <nerdboy> with zram swap it's light and fast
[4:05] * [Saint] is reminded of his "running entirely in RAM" image.
[4:05] <[Saint]> Now, *that* is fast...
[4:05] <[Saint]> Not entirely useful, but, fast :)
[4:06] <[Saint]> the TL;DR version is basically: boot, copy the juicy bits into a tempfs, chroot to it.
[4:07] <[Saint]> If you want to actually *do* anything with it, you need a very, very, very minimal system, though.
[4:07] <[Saint]> This was more of a "because I can" experiment, rather than a "because its useful" one.
[4:08] <[Saint]> It seems to me that most of the odd things I see done with the raspi are similar "because I can" things. Occasionally something that is actually useful pops up too.
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[4:23] <zombieman> is it posible to turn my pi into a ps3 controler
[4:25] <zombieman> or what do i need in order to communicate my pi and my arduino uno running unojoy end end result is i want to be able to plug my xbox360 controler into my pi and have it translate the buttons into something the ps3 will read and play
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[4:27] <paccer> zombieman: maby http://arduino.cc/en/Reference/MouseKeyboard can help you a bit
[4:28] <paccer> not sure if it will work with due though
[4:28] <paccer> sorry, uno
[4:29] <paccer> not exactly an answer, but might be helpful
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[4:29] <zombieman> thank you for your responce but how will turning the arduino into a keyboard help? i run unojoy on the arduino and that plugs into the ps3 and works fine but i want to use my xbox controler on my pi to do the same
[4:29] <zombieman> thank you though
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[4:31] <paccer> guess i primarily read your first question, and thought "hey, i stumbled across something like that today"
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[4:33] <rbenv> JakeSays: yes, it's the display interface
[4:34] <paccer> most raspberry pi controllers are probably based on keyboard emulation though :/
[4:35] <zombieman> this one needs to connect to the ps3 rather then a computer and you cant play the ps3 with a keyboard sadly
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[4:39] <paccer> zombieman: would you be connecting to the ps3 by bluetooth, or ?
[4:40] <zombieman> if thats posible then yes other then that i though i could run some wires from the gpio to a arduino and let the arduino send the messages to the ps3 through usb
[4:40] <zombieman> but if bluetooth was posible then thats my first choice
[4:41] <paccer> the PS3 is using proprietary HID reports to talk with the PS3 controller, which basicly really sucks and would require a lot of hacking to make it work - i think your best bet is with a wired connection
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[4:42] <zombieman> thats what i figued lets make this a little more broad how do i communicate between my raspbeery pi and arduino uno
[4:43] <zombieman> without serial because thats what the ps3 is connecting to
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[4:44] <paccer> hmm
[4:46] <steve_rox> havein fun?
[4:46] <paccer> sure! - everything is relative ;)
[4:46] <steve_rox> yay then
[4:46] <steve_rox> wondering if i could power a usb port by another power source
[4:47] <steve_rox> eliminateing the need for a usb powered hub
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[4:48] <steve_rox> doubt theres anyone here of electronics expertise tho
[4:48] <steve_rox> least not at moment
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[4:49] <zombieman> you just need to cut the traces on the motherboard and wire a 5v regulator and a capasitor and then direcly to the source
[4:50] <steve_rox> well i try clarify
[4:50] <steve_rox> 4 wires , two data two power
[4:50] <zombieman> dont take my word for it though as long as you dont have your source going to into the usb port and only connecting to the usb device with just the ground of both the port and device it should be ok
[4:50] <steve_rox> cut the power ones and feed a alternative 5v to it
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[4:51] <steve_rox> good or bad idea?
[4:51] <pksato> steve_rox: its is that powered hub does.
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[4:51] <zombieman> as long as its 5 volt it should work
[4:51] <steve_rox> they must be practically empty inside
[4:52] <steve_rox> not sure how much more load i can put on my buck converter board but i may give it a go
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[4:52] <steve_rox> i have a usb tv card thing i may try make work on it
[4:52] <zombieman> i did what you are thinking about to my webcam
[4:53] <steve_rox> i was not sure if it was possible to get some sort of feedback thu the data wires
[4:53] <zombieman> it was a monster drain on the port before i got a hub and it seems to of worked
[4:54] <zombieman> im not a electonic expert though i can only say what i have tried and what have worked for me and what have not worked
[4:54] <steve_rox> ive allready got a rpi/lcd/fan on the converter at moment oh and a cap to stablise it
[4:54] <zombieman> nice
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[4:55] <zombieman> i have eveything running of my usb hub
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[4:55] <steve_rox> yeah cos i added a switch to turn the lcd on and off
[4:55] <steve_rox> the sudden power change caused a reboot
[4:55] <zombieman> that reboot is anoying lol
[4:55] <steve_rox> do you know much about the reverse usb powering?
[4:56] <zombieman> my powered hub backfeeds power to my pi and that allows it to power everything
[4:56] <\\Mr_C\\> that noob1.2 thing, can i just write the image of my choice manually thats within the folders?
[4:56] <steve_rox> thing is when you back power thu the rpi usb does power leak out of the normal power mini usb port?
[4:56] <steve_rox> or is there a diode to block it?
[4:57] <\\Mr_C\\> nevermind, i will just try it
[4:58] <steve_rox> id try back power but i dont want to damage the convertor board
[4:58] <zombieman> i use this hub http://www.ebay.com/itm/370828643498?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649 and this power suplys http://www.ebay.com/itm/200934122798?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649 i plug the power suplys direcly into the hub and the hub backfeeds into the pi
[5:00] <jesselang> I thought back-feeding was a Bad Idea (TM).
[5:00] <zombieman> i had my conserns about it but it turns out everything works out fine
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[5:00] <steve_rox> i dont know , im just researching optionsn
[5:01] <steve_rox> dont really wanna unscrew my messy wireing again
[5:01] <paccer> it'll fry your rpi if hub does a bad job at overvoltage protection
[5:02] <zombieman> lol i feel you on that same here
[5:02] <jesselang> I heard the USB loop is the best way to go. Safe, because it uses the overvoltage protection.
[5:02] <paccer> "It's not 'safe' to backfeed as theres no circuit protection in case of a short of a surge"
[5:02] <paccer> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=42121
[5:02] <steve_rox> hmm
[5:02] <jesselang> Sure, it's 2 wires instead of one, but a small price to pay to know it's being done right.
[5:04] <steve_rox> my rpi project will only start with minimum of 7v but if i fitted a usb bypass socket i could start it with 5v
[5:04] <steve_rox> allough the fan and lcd wouldent really start
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[5:05] <steve_rox> could add another diode to prevent feedback but it wastes some ma on it
[5:05] <steve_rox> using a diode i was able to add to power wires in to the rpi
[5:06] <steve_rox> when one failed the other source took over
[5:06] <paccer> https://sites.google.com/site/kalitewiki/deployment/raspberry-pi-deployment/raspberry-pi-usb-power-loop
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[5:07] <paccer> this is the "safe way"
[5:07] <paccer> includes powered hub though
[5:07] <zombieman> thatshow i have mine setup
[5:08] <jesselang> zombieman, then you're not back-feeding.
[5:08] <zombieman> it still stays on without the micro though
[5:08] <jesselang> Which is good.
[5:08] <JakeSays> so if i start a program followed with & will it continue even after my ssh session is gone?
[5:08] <jesselang> Eh.
[5:08] <jesselang> JakeSays, yes.
[5:08] <JakeSays> jesselang: awesome. thanks
[5:09] <paccer> that depends
[5:09] <JakeSays> lol
[5:09] <nerdboy> https://github.com/sarnold/meta-raspberrypi/wiki/Raspberry-Pi-MPD-Image-Setup <= final draft, in case anyone wants to test-drive it...
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[5:09] <jesselang> If you're using sh, etc.
[5:09] <JakeSays> i'm using putty from windows
[5:10] <paccer> disconnecting from it would for instance terminate the session, hence ending for example wget
[5:10] <paccer> you might want to check out "screen"
[5:10] <zombieman> screen?
[5:10] <JakeSays> paccer: even if i backgrounded it with & ?
[5:10] <ShorTie> if you run your program from screen, you can log out and back into your program
[5:11] <JakeSays> ShorTie: its not interactive
[5:11] <paccer> JakeSays: yes
[5:11] <paccer> thats what nohup/screen is for
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[5:11] <JakeSays> hmm
[5:12] <ShorTie> still nice to get from where you started
[5:12] <zombieman> im going to try screen
[5:12] <paccer> screen is recommended
[5:12] <JakeSays> i should really write it as a daemon
[5:12] <zombieman> http://www.howtoforge.com/linux_screen
[5:12] <JakeSays> but i'm feeling lazy
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[5:14] <paccer> whats not interactive?
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[5:14] <paccer> screen?
[5:14] <JakeSays> my app
[5:14] <paccer> ooh :)
[5:14] <JakeSays> its a service
[5:15] <paccer> well, if it outputs nothing, and its not interactive
[5:15] <paccer> you might want to check out nohup instead
[5:15] <paccer> since screen is a bit overkill then
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[5:22] <nerdboy> you can background it from an init script
[5:22] <JakeSays> nerdboy: yeah thats what i'll do longterm
[5:22] <nerdboy> redirect output to a log fime, etc
[5:23] <nerdboy> i mean without re-writing as a daemon
[5:23] <ricksl> Jake did you get it yet?
[5:23] <JakeSays> ricksl: i sure did! thanks much!
[5:23] <ricksl> really?!
[5:23] <JakeSays> yup. came yesterday
[5:23] <nerdboy> unless it's not well-behaved, then maybe daemontools or similar
[5:23] <ricksl> I thought they stopped saturday delivery, i was gonna tease you cause i thought it would be in monday
[5:24] <JakeSays> no they decided not to do that
[5:24] <ricksl> Just be sure to put one of those fancy stickers on the finished 3d printer
[5:24] <x29a> defect stickers?
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[5:25] <ricksl> No I sent him some raspberry pi stickers in the male
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[5:25] <x29a> ah, i c
[5:25] <ricksl> remember when they sold those, they were using them to test the store when they thought they were going to sell the pis themselvs
[5:26] <ricksl> I met eben and liz at makerfaire and eben handed me a stack of stickers.
[5:26] <steve_rox> where did you stick em
[5:26] <JakeSays> ricksl: lol will do - i'll put one right on the front
[5:27] <ricksl> I have them sitting in my desk, I put used a total of 2 stickers so far for raspberry pi cases
[5:27] <nerdboy> JakeSays: i mean do something like this in the start function:
[5:27] <nerdboy> your_bin > /var/log/your_bin.log 2>&1 &
[5:27] <ricksl> that made no sense, I meant to say I have only used 2 so far, and that was on raspberry pi cases
[5:28] <nerdboy> starts on boot and runs until shutdown (or until you crash it)
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[5:28] <zombieman> installing screen
[5:29] <JakeSays> nerdboy: my services don't use stdin/out/err
[5:30] <nerdboy> then omit that part...
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[5:31] <ricksl> Has anyone tried that retropie project? is it possible to reconfigure it so that it looks for roms in a usb drive
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[5:32] <zombieman> i faied at retro pi
[5:32] <ricksl> I figure there is a config file somewhere that tells it where to look
[5:32] <ricksl> And it is twice as cheap to buy a small sd card and a large usb stick
[5:33] <nerdboy> if you want it restarted automatically with other nifty management stuff them look at daemontools or runit
[5:33] <ricksl> I ended up torrenting entire sets of games, like all games ever made for nes or snes.
[5:34] * [Saint] points to the topic
[5:35] <zombieman> is there a standalone snes emu for the pi without retro pie
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[5:35] <[Saint]> specifically: "As per Freenode policy, any discussion of illegal activity, software piracy, or the commission of a crime will also warrant your removal from the channel."
[5:35] <ricksl> lol okay, I am not giving links or walking anyone through it
[5:35] <[Saint]> irrelevant
[5:36] <zombieman> emulation is not illegal
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[5:36] <ricksl> How do you know it isn't legal, do you know that I didn't own all 11000 snes games?
[5:37] <[Saint]> even if you did, the only way to legally aquire the ROMs is by dumping them from the cartridges you physically own.
[5:37] <zombieman> that could be a 11000 pack he made a couple years ago and have all the cartrages in storage lol
[5:37] <[Saint]> well, had he done so, one assumes there would be no need to aquire them from elsewhere, wouldn;t they? ;)
[5:38] <[Saint]> anyhoo...TL;DR: software piracy is bad, mmkay?
[5:38] <ricksl> Yeah I gathered that much
[5:38] <zombieman> it is bad i wouldnt want people steeling my software even though its all open sorce
[5:38] <ricksl> You are the one that made it a big deal, mmkay.
[5:39] <JakeSays> ricksl: so if one were to want to make an off-site backup of your collection..
[5:39] <zombieman> ok my question still stands is there a good standalone emulator for snes without retropie
[5:40] <[Saint]> I figured a friendly reminder from me is a lot better than getting warned/licked/banned by a moderator, no?
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[5:40] <zombieman> i see bsnes but is that full speed?
[5:40] <[Saint]> errr...kicked, too.
[5:40] <ricksl> I don't get what you are saying jake, or i might and at the risk of setting Saint off again ask in private
[5:40] <[Saint]> Getting licked by a mod would be much worse (or, better?) I guess.
[5:40] <zombieman> lol licked
[5:41] <ricksl> I would actually prefer it, I only like getting talked down to people who are actually in a position to do so.
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[5:41] <[Saint]> I'm not talking down to you. Just reminding you of the agreement you made in joining the channel.
[5:41] <[Saint]> You can read tone into it all you want, I guess. But, it isn;t there.
[5:42] <ricksl> One sec zombieman trying to figure out which emulator is used in the retropie project since that seems to be the standard for emulating snes
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[5:42] <zombieman> thanks
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[5:43] * [Saint] has yet to find an SNES emulator that 1: runs at full speed, and 2: faithfully emulates the hardware.
[5:43] <[Saint]> It seems to be you either get one or the other.
[5:44] <ricksl> They don't make this chart easy to understand, maybe it selectively uses different emulators http://blog.petrockblock.com/compatibility-list/
[5:45] <ricksl> I guess there is a project called pisnes which works to accelerate emulation http://code.google.com/p/pisnes/
[5:45] <[Saint]> Man that table is broken...
[5:46] <[Saint]> There's a login/menu *right* over the bit(s) I want to read.
[5:46] <JakeSays> lol pisnes
[5:46] <JakeSays> sounds.. wet
[5:46] <zombieman> lol
[5:46] <ricksl> Ha, I'm picking up what you are putting down
[5:47] <zombieman> did they take all emulators off the pi store or something
[5:48] <[Saint]> Probably. Almost certainly licensing/copyright issues.
[5:48] <[Saint]> Such is the way of the emulator.
[5:49] <ricksl> But they left mame, which you would expect to be the biggest offender
[5:49] <zombieman> ill try it out i only have one backup though
[5:49] <[Saint]> I _think_ MAME is now entirely free software.
[5:51] <ricksl> Problem with mame is that they try too hard to emulate everything on a hardware level, as opposed to just using a form of jit like a lot of other emulators do.
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[5:51] <[Saint]> I don't think that's a problem. Many people look for emulators that faithfully represent the hardware, flaws and all.
[5:52] <[Saint]> I can see how some people would think it to be problematic, though.
[5:52] <ricksl> I was talking more specifically about using it on underpowered hardware.
[5:52] <[Saint]> Ah. Sorry, misparsed.
[5:52] <ricksl> For example scumm vs dosbox
[5:53] <ricksl> I was playing a copy of return to zork that I dug out of my grandfathers basement, come to find out that dosbox on android was awful for it since it, in comparison with other dos games, is very demanding
[5:54] <ricksl> and then i just copied the files over and used scummvm and it was flawless.
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[6:07] <zombieman> i cant open pcmanfm :|
[6:09] <zombieman> a resart fixed it weird
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[6:31] <nerdboy> 00000000020250af 00 BTN_0 ./ipazzport_lirc.conf <= that's worth a small w00t!
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[6:34] <zombieman> i get a black screen while launching pisnes
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[6:36] * [Saint] will try his luck here too:
[6:36] <[Saint]> [16:34:00] <[Saint]> Does anyone know of a nice set of media icons with a permissive license?
[6:36] <[Saint]> [16:34:34] <[Saint]> Preferably with shuffle/repeat icons, and the usual play/pause/stop/seek icons.
[6:36] <[Saint]> [16:35:24] <[Saint]> Oh, also, ...with SVG sources?
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[7:06] <JakeSays> for some reason i keep loosing my wifi connection :(
[7:06] <JakeSays> stupid dongle goes down
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[7:09] <JakeSays> i'm going to have to figure out a way to detect it and bring it back up
[7:10] <jesselang> JakeSays, or get a better dongle?
[7:10] <jesselang> Which makes me curious, who's using what wifi adapters and having good luck with them?
[7:11] <zombieman> so i cant get pisnes to work
[7:11] <zombieman> it just shows a black screen
[7:12] <nerdboy> hey jesselang
[7:12] <jesselang> Howdy nerdboy.
[7:13] <jesselang> Fancy meeting you here.
[7:13] * nerdboy does the ir remote pi mpc control dance
[7:13] <jesselang> nerdboy, any chance you've got polyOrb for the Pi?
[7:13] <jesselang> Seems to be the only thing missing from the repo.
[7:14] <nerdboy> not played with anything Ada-ish on arm yet
[7:14] <nerdboy> maybe now i can on the chromebook when i get my ssd
[7:15] <JakeSays> jesselang: i've tried 3 dongles and a router configured as a client bridge.
[7:16] <nerdboy> jesselang: been working on this => https://github.com/sarnold/meta-raspberrypi/wiki/Raspberry-Pi-MPD-Image-Setup
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[7:18] <nerdboy> had to write a custom mpc wrapper script so i could cycle through all playlists with one button
[7:18] <nerdboy> works nicely tho
[7:21] <ricksl> really JakeSays I have had great luck with a client bridge router, unfortunately port forwarding is difficult to say the least at times.
[7:22] <JakeSays> ricksl: well out of the four it is by far the most reliable.
[7:22] <nerdboy> just took me most of the day to do that plus repackage the kernel firmware, generate an lircd.conf for the remote, generate an lircrc config for irexec, package everything up, write a draft wiki doc, and waste some time on irc...
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[7:23] <nerdboy> kind of a long day...
[7:23] <ricksl> I spent 3 hours troubleshooting virtualbox trying to get it to boot my physical drive with ubuntu on it
[7:23] <ricksl> and then after all that it sucks since i guess virtualbox has its own way of doing x server forwarding that is god awful
[7:24] <nerdboy> the cool part is now i can use it in the car, even without a display
[7:25] <nerdboy> since mpd remembers what it was playing
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[7:35] <zombieman> i get xlib: extension "randr" missing on display ":1.0" when ever i try to launch bsnes
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[7:37] <ricksl> man you are just not having luck with these are you
[7:37] <zombieman> nope none
[7:38] <zombieman> i dont even know what that errer means lol
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[7:56] <JakeSays> i prefer vmware
[8:00] <ricksl> Yeah I was lazy, and the idea behind it was so that I could play this one game on ubuntu while using windows
[8:01] <ricksl> problem is, the controller doesn't work on windows without installing some sketchy drivers from some chinese site. but it works out of the box with linux.
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[9:20] <ParkerR> riddle: What Windows version? If 7 or 8, the controller should just be detected and Windows will download drivers. Doesnt have driver for all devices but a lot of them do
[9:20] <ParkerR> And if not: invest in a Xbox wireless receiver and controller. Best thing I ever bought
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[10:01] <brooc> Hi
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[10:02] <brooc> Does anyone know if it is possible to create an OMX splitter component after the OMX player has already started?
[10:06] <linuxstb> brooc: Hmm, I'm not sure. Why not just create it always, but only use one output, and then try to enable other outputs as it's running?
[10:07] <ParkerR> brooc: Split it how?
[10:07] <linuxstb> Although that may not be possible either, thinking about it.
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[10:10] <brooc> I want to create a separate application
[10:10] <brooc> So I can't split before
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[10:11] <brooc> I am trying to get the image displayed on screen
[10:11] <brooc> But I don't want to change the OMX player code
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[10:11] <brooc> I want to create a different application
[10:12] <brooc> ParkerR: create a splitter, one input 2 outputs
[10:12] <brooc> linuxstb: do you think that would be possible?
[10:13] <linuxstb> No, I don't think you can access the image data without modifying omxplayer.
[10:13] <brooc> I am able to do this right now using dispmanx_snapshot
[10:13] <brooc> I think it is a very slow way to do this though
[10:13] <linuxstb> Ah, OK. Well, what I meant is that you can't insert a video_splitter component into the pipeline without modifying omxplayer
[10:14] <brooc> So this is the only way?
[10:14] <brooc> Is there no way to modify the pipeline after it has been created?
[10:15] <brooc> Sounds like a pretty basic API...
[10:16] <linuxstb> I guess you can, but only within the omxplayer code. I'm not sure I understand what you want to do. Do you mean you want to use the existing omxplayer binary, and write a new app that works with it?
[10:16] <brooc> Yes
[10:16] <linuxstb> Then no, to modify the pipeline you'll need the component handles etc, which are internal to omxplayer.
[10:17] <brooc> Is there no API to iterate over the created components on the GPU?
[10:19] <linuxstb> Not as far as I know, and that doesn't make sense anyway. It's like having an API to access file handles being used by other applications - even if it existed, bad things would happen if two apps tried to use the same file handle.
[10:21] <brooc> I agree with you about the file handles but the GPU is supposed to be used by more than one application
[10:22] <brooc> So I would assume that a way to get the current state and different components available is not such a crazy idea
[10:23] <brooc> It would be like being able to look at all file in a given directory
[10:23] <brooc> You can't change them from 2 places at once but you know they are there
[10:25] <linuxstb> How would getting the state of components help you? You need to change them (at the same time that omxplayer may be changing them).
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[10:27] <linuxstb> Why don't you just modify omxplayer? Or perhaps write your own app to decode video.
[10:28] <brooc> Because I am trying to extande the boblight addon
[10:28] <brooc> There is already an implementation that changes the OMX player
[10:28] <brooc> But it is not adopted by anyone except for Raspbmc
[10:29] <brooc> I want to make this addon less distro dependent
[10:29] <linuxstb> Do you know why? That would seem the sensible way to do it.
[10:29] <brooc> What would be?
[10:29] <linuxstb> modifying omxplayer
[10:30] <brooc> but the OMX playe project won't let them promote their code upstream...
[10:31] <brooc> Or maybe it's the XBMC project
[10:33] <linuxstb> It will likely be the xbmc project. The omxplayer project is just a standalone version of the code in xbmc. I'm not sure how closely they are kept in sync.
[10:34] <linuxstb> But that was my question - do you know why it's rejected by xbmc?
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[10:37] <brooc> Yes, because it is hardcoded related to the boblight feature
[10:38] <brooc> So anyone not needing this will get a code that is basically useless to them
[10:40] <linuxstb> OK, I understand what you want to do, but from what I know about openmax, you're not going to be able to do it. Perhaps the only way is to find a faster way to access what's being sent to the display than dispmanx_snapshot
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[10:46] <brooc> It does work... but I start seeing flickering on the screen if the I use the snapshot function too frequently (every 500 milliseconds or less)
[10:47] <brooc> Even at 500 milliseconds I see the flickering
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[10:48] <brooc> Maybe there is some more efficient way to use the snapshot function
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[11:00] <Dragooon> Anyone here uses raspberry pi as a NAS server?
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[11:01] <Bushmills> with ethernet-over-usb, or having to share wifi and usb bandwidth, and no S-ATA, the raspberry doesn't really make a great NAS
[11:03] <BurtyB> Bushmills, they've already left...
[11:03] <Bushmills> noticed, that then i clumsy finger had pushed the enter key already
[11:03] <Bushmills> but then ..
[11:03] <Bushmills> my
[11:03] <Bushmills> ... coffee ...
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[11:04] <Dragooon> Anyone here using RPi as a NAS server?
[11:05] <Bushmills> where have i heard that before
[11:05] <Dragooon> lol
[11:06] <Dragooon> I basically want to know how's the performance
[11:06] <Bushmills> with ethernet-over-usb, or having to share wifi and usb bandwidth, and no S-ATA, the raspberry doesn't really make a great NAS
[11:06] <Dragooon> Damnit
[11:07] <Bushmills> check out cubieboard
[11:07] <Dragooon> I already have a RPi, don't want to spend more
[11:07] <Bushmills> then performance doesn't matter
[11:07] <Gelb> i played with RPi and NAS a while ago, wanted to build a "travel server", something with wifi-ap, hard drive, and so on.
[11:08] <Bushmills> it will be just as slow or fast as it is
[11:08] <Dragooon> Well, it kind of does. I won't do it if the performance isn't good enough :P
[11:08] <Gelb> i think i could get it to up to 50mbit or so, over wifi.
[11:08] <Gelb> don't remember exactly. it was just enough to stream hd-movies over wifi.
[11:08] <Dragooon> That might work, but it's on the lower side
[11:09] <Bushmills> Gelb: mass storage device still needs to be read from or written to as well
[11:09] <Bushmills> unless you're using SD-card, that will take off bandwidth from wifi
[11:09] <Gelb> Bushmills: yeah, i know. my setup included a sata-HD (using a sata-usb adapter) and a wifi stick. RPi was acting as a Wifi AP.
[11:10] <Gelb> the main issue was the CPU.
[11:10] <Dragooon> It definitely can't do what I'm thinking then
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[12:50] <Tickle> Okay I know this is opinion but which is better Codecademy or Learn Python the Hard Way?
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[12:51] <ShorTie> it's hard to forget the hard knocks of life
[12:51] <Dragooon> I can't learn anything unless I have some use for it
[12:52] <Dragooon> Then I start learning by using it
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[13:23] <Squarepy> Dragoon, there is a difference with introduction to something new and getting down to use it, there is a point where more reading doesn't really help anymore and practice is more real
[13:23] <Squarepy> with/between
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[13:29] <Dragooon> Squarepy: What I meant was, I am not able to learn something unless I have some use in mind
[13:30] <Dragooon> That's why I haven't been able to pick on Java/Android programming, I can't think of something to make
[13:32] <Bushmills> Dragooon: when i learn another programming language, i usually write the same thing which i have implemented in other languages before. which gives me something to compare languages well with each other, while having some use as well.
[13:32] <Bushmills> implementations of that particular piece of software range from assembly to bash
[13:32] <Bushmills> as far :
[13:32] <Bushmills> :)
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[13:33] <Bushmills> also, being a non-trivial piece of software, it requires a good spectrum of use of the target language
[13:34] <Bushmills> good comparison metric for that are then: time it took me to implement, and especially effort or required workarounds for something the language wouldn't easily allow me to implement
[13:34] <Squarepy> Dragooon, yes I agree, I am able to study something for it's own sake, but to get to the real nitty gritty an application is needed
[13:35] <Bushmills> in addition, i'm learning about language in order of what i need, not in order what a book tells me i need
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[13:37] <ShorTie> grep is the most usefull programing tool, lol.
[13:37] <Bushmills> some say "awk supersedes grep"
[13:37] <Bushmills> so does sed
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[13:37] <zombieman> lets try this again see if i can get this project going arduino uno and pi connecting the two together
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[13:39] <zombieman> can i just take the pins on my pi and brige them to arduno and have arduino read if the pins that the pi and connnected to are high or low
[13:39] <Bushmills> considered to use I²C?
[13:40] <zombieman> ive never used ic2 before i would be willing to give it a try if i could learn more
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[13:40] <Bushmills> not the worst choice for small devices interconnect
[13:40] <Bushmills> as long you're not requiring tremendous transfer rates
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[13:41] <zombieman> i will be sending usb controler data to the arduino
[13:41] <pksato> zombieman: remember, need a voltage level to inter connect rpi (3v3) and arduino (5V).
[13:42] <zombieman> cant arduo read 3.3
[13:42] <ShorTie> mosfet to the rescue
[13:43] <pksato> or, dont use arduino to output to rpi.
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[13:43] <zombieman> the arduino needs to act as a hid device
[13:44] <zombieman> how else would you make the pi a hid to connect to a ps3
[13:45] <Bushmills> "...arduino uno and pi connecting the two together" .. now its "pi a hid to connect to a ps3" ?
[13:45] <Bushmills> is that the same project or a different one?
[13:46] <zombieman> same one its the over all goal
[13:46] <Bushmills> then i'd say, start with one
[13:47] <zombieman> i will be connecting a xbox 360 controer to my pi and have my pi read the controler and send the info to the arduino which will be translated into a hid by unojoy and connected to the ps3 through usb
[13:47] <zombieman> i am starting with one connecting the pi and arduino togeter thats why i asked for help lol
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[13:50] <pksato> that is a real question? lots of people have connected rpi to arduino, using usb, uart, spi, i2c. bare gpio.
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[13:54] <zombieman> thats what i was asking
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[13:56] <Gelb> pksato: for communication between RPi and arduino you don't necessarily need a voltage regulator...
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[13:57] <Gelb> either power the arduino on 3 volt, or simply make sure the i2c bus is't pulled to 5v, but 3.3v instead. both arduino and RPi detect 3.3v as high.
[13:57] <zombieman> is there any projects out there that someone connecting the pi to a ps3 through bluetooth as a controler
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[14:00] <Gelb> zombieman: i am planing something similar... i want to connect a PS3 controller to an arduino, and then let the arduino act as a HID which emulates an xbox controller (or something) for a PC.
[14:00] <pksato> Gelb: but, RPi dont tolerate 5V input.
[14:01] <Gelb> pksato: yes, thats why you have to pull the bus to 3.3v instead of 5v.
[14:01] <Gelb> pksato: the voltage is only provided by the pull up resistor. the communication happens, on both ends, by pulling it down to ground.
[14:01] <pksato> for i2c bus. but, for other gpio uses, need to care about it.
[14:01] <Gelb> pksato: yeah, tru.
[14:01] <Gelb> true.
[14:02] <Gelb> zombieman: but I haven't started to do anything yet, it is only a plan for now.
[14:03] <pksato> a simple level can do done using voltage divider.
[14:03] <zombieman> i remember i wasw able to use my laptop as a controler though bluetooth to play ps3 before
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[14:03] <Gelb> zombieman: if that works on a normal (linux) pc, it should work on the RPi as well.
[14:04] <zombieman> i dont remember what i used and it was on windows
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[14:05] <Gelb> zombieman: it might be easier to use the usb connection instead of bluetooth. as far as i know, the controller transmits the signals also over usb, but i don't know what the PS3 is doing about that.
[14:05] <mgottschlag> zombieman: for usb, look at vusb
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[14:05] <zombieman> vusb for the pi?
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[14:06] <zombieman> this works on arduino uno https://code.google.com/p/unojoy/
[14:08] <zombieman> im about to just get a bunch of transisters and some shift regesters and wire it directly
[14:08] <Gelb> zombieman: unojoy re-programs the usb chip on arduino. v-usb does the whole usb in software on the arduino, without depending on that usb chip.
[14:09] <zombieman> the uno wasnt the problem it works great i just have no way of interfaceing my xbox controler with it
[14:10] <pksato> why use xbox conntroler on ps3? :)
[14:10] <Gelb> zombieman: you mean, getting input from a xbox-controller, that is connected directly to the arduino? or a rpi?
[14:11] <zombieman> ether or
[14:11] <Gelb> zombieman: rpi is simple, as long as that controller is a normal usb controller, like the ones made for Windows PCs.
[14:11] <zombieman> i know i could buy a usb host sheild but there to expensive and i would like to use what i have already
[14:11] <Gelb> i mean... linux should just detect that usb device and thats it.
[14:12] <zombieman> thr pi works with the xbox controler
[14:13] <Gelb> zombieman: so... whats not working then?
[14:13] <pksato> buy one theses http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/07/cronus-adapter-lets-you-play-xbox-360-with-a-ps3-controller-and/
[14:13] <pksato> :)
[14:13] <zombieman> the arduino works with the ps3 and the pi works with the xbox controler so my though was use them both and conect them together
[14:14] <Gelb> pksato: basically, that's what i want to build... but i want to add some switches so the controller is working better for left handed users.
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[14:14] <Gelb> zombieman: yeah, use i2c or something.
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[14:15] <Gelb> zombieman: you don't need the voltage regulator, but the Wiring-lib of arduino is a bit brain damaged, as the pull up to 5v is hard coded. you need to patch that library... or use a voltage regulator.
[14:15] <FR^2> Gelb: Hiho ;)
[14:16] <Gelb> FR^2: oh, hi.
[14:16] <ikonia> I'm looking at making my raspberry pi into a multi-platform emmulator, and then hosting the roms/games on a network mount.
[14:16] <zombieman> i only have a 5 volt regulator
[14:16] <zombieman> ikonia use retropie
[14:16] <ikonia> how far can the raspberry be pushed to emmulate,
[14:16] <ikonia> zombieman: ooh, let me google that
[14:16] <zombieman> http://blog.petrockblock.com/retropie/
[14:16] <Gelb> zombieman: na, i mean something that takes care of translating the 3.3v of the rpi to 5v of the arduino and vice versa, when both communicate over i2c.
[14:17] <ikonia> I'm keen to get something "mame"/"arcade" setup, C64, SNES/Famicon, maybe even megadrive, N64 ?
[14:17] <steve_rox> i wanted a sega saturn emulator but thats probly too challengeing for it
[14:17] <zombieman> ikonia check out that link
[14:17] <ikonia> zombieman: this looks at a glance almost word for word what I want
[14:17] <Gelb> zombieman: "level shifter", not voltage regulator.
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[14:19] <pksato> 3v3 zener diode can be used on i2c bus.
[14:21] <zombieman> im trying to see if i have the parts to build one
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[14:23] <zombieman> im about to say forget it and just wire a ir led and a ir reciver and transmit the data like that to the uno
[14:23] <zombieman> it would be slower though
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[14:42] <arcanescu> using the hdmi piview how do i get audio ?
[14:42] <arcanescu> :/
[14:42] <arcanescu> if the audio is coming out through the hdmi in the first place i.e
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[14:44] <ShorTie> have you check alsamixer to see if it muted ??
[14:44] <arcanescu> yes i have
[14:44] <arcanescu> its not
[14:45] <pksato> arcanescu: need to reroute audio to phone jack out.
[14:45] <arcanescu> im using the PI-View hdmi to vga...vga doesnt have audio
[14:45] <arcanescu> pksato: how?
[14:45] <pksato> PI-View?
[14:45] <arcanescu> pksato: http://www.element14.com/community/docs/DOC-48883/l/pi-view-hdmi-to-vga-adapter-cable-for-raspberry-pi-computer-board
[14:46] <arcanescu> pi view is hdmi to vga
[14:46] <arcanescu> if my sound is orginally on the hdmi cable.... how can i reourte it to phone jack?
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[14:46] <pksato> amixer cset numid=3 1
[14:46] <pksato> sudo amixer cset numid=3 1
[14:46] <arcanescu> aaaah
[14:47] <arcanescu> thank you.
[14:47] <arcanescu> cset permanently sets it
[14:47] <pksato> put amixer cset numid=3 1 on /etc/rc.local to set on next boot.
[14:47] <arcanescu> so i dont have to type amixer again right?
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[14:50] <arcanescu> done... rebooting now
[14:54] <arcanescu> pksato works
[14:54] <flibble> random retro question, can anyone recommend a good Game Boy Advance emulator for the Pi?
[14:54] <arcanescu> thank you
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[14:59] <OZTiX> is there a fix for this? http://pastebin.com/x9sQyiSq
[15:00] <OZTiX> looks like its caused by usb bus dwc_otg module in kernel
[15:01] <OZTiX> note: its a custom build based on the working 3.6.11+ source from raspbian
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[15:08] <Katty> morning
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[15:09] <Katty> http://tinyurl.com/b5k3lt4 <- new treat on the bird feeder this morning!
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[15:09] <willybilly0101> hi
[15:10] <willybilly0101> I want to buy a Pi
[15:10] <shiftplusone> Hey
[15:10] <willybilly0101> and I donțt understand, does it have wifi/ethernet by default? Model B I woudl like
[15:10] <shiftplusone> Katty, is that done with a pi and cam board?
[15:10] <pksato> willybilly0101: only wired ethernet.
[15:10] <shiftplusone> willybilly0101, no wifi, but there is ethernet on a model b.
[15:11] <willybilly0101> model B
[15:11] <willybilly0101> ok
[15:11] <willybilly0101> thanks
[15:11] <Katty> shiftplusone: crittercam is my pi project, yes.
[15:11] * lupinedk is now known as Lupinedk
[15:11] <shiftplusone> Katty, looks great
[15:11] <Katty> shiftplusone: ty (=
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[15:15] <bob_binz> Katty, says "off air"
[15:15] <shiftplusone> bob_binz, works here
[15:16] <Katty> bob_binz: refresh the page.
[15:16] <ShorTie> what device did you use for the crittercam ??
[15:16] <bob_binz> Does here now - just come on
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[15:16] <Katty> ustream is lame like that.
[15:16] <ShorTie> l00ks nice
[15:16] <bob_binz> Katty, is that a constant stream or only segments that you post?
[15:16] <Katty> it's a stream.
[15:16] * bob_binz doesn't know how ustream works
[15:17] <bob_binz> ahh, cool
[15:17] <Katty> tho, honestly, a bit laggy.
[15:17] <Katty> i'd say it's 1 minute in the past
[15:17] <Katty> but that doesn't bother me, i just pretend
[15:18] <bob_binz> 1 min is ok - well from the other side of the world, anyway!!
[15:20] <willybilly0101> is Raspberry pi ok for keeping a torrente client on it, with an usb drive? Some people are saying that because both usb drive & ethernet are on the same drive it collides a lot and is nto working that well. I have an actuall dowload speed of 512 kb/s
[15:20] <malcom2073> willybilly0101: At that kind of speed, you're not going to hit the limits hh
[15:20] <malcom2073> heh*
[15:20] <willybilly0101> I was thinking
[15:20] <willybilly0101> :)
[15:20] <willybilly0101> what's the limit?
[15:21] <IT_Sean> willybilly0101: The ethernet port on the raspi is really a USB > ethernet adapter. So, when using USB and ethernet at the same time, you may see a bottlekneck. That said, it will work, it just might not be very quick.
[15:22] <willybilly0101> ok, what does that mean in numbers? it will actually choke my 512 max speed ?
[15:22] <IT_Sean> There are too many variables involved to give you 'hard numbers'.
[15:22] <willybilly0101> I plan to use arch linux. minimal install
[15:22] <IT_Sean> But, i rather doubt you will see an issue at that speed.
[15:23] <willybilly0101> no X or anything
[15:23] <shiftplusone> translation: "I have no clue"
[15:23] <willybilly0101> :D
[15:23] <IT_Sean> ^ wot shiftplusone said
[15:23] <IT_Sean> :p
[15:24] <willybilly0101> but let's say it will bottleneck a lot
[15:25] <IT_Sean> shift! What did i tell you about translating for me!!! >:/
[15:25] <FR^2> 1 usb host, internal 3-usb-port hub, ethernet connected to one of those three usb ports :/
[15:25] <willybilly0101> how can I avoid this, except not using usb
[15:25] <shiftplusone> >.>
[15:25] <willybilly0101> *not using usb hdd
[15:26] * IT_Sean thumps shiftplusone
[15:26] <shiftplusone> D=
[15:27] <ShorTie> use 1 rPi for up and 1 for down, max thru put, hehe.
[15:27] <bob_binz> ooo, big black birdies!
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[15:27] <FR^2> willybilly0101: Try doing some tests with copying a large file from that usb harddisc to /dev/null, or from /dev/zero to the harddisk; Try downloading a file from a fast host in the local network and up again and measure ;)
[15:28] <pksato> for 512kbps internet connection? rpi handle it smooth. But, can be have "time' problems to copy donwloaded files to other computer.
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[15:29] <willybilly0101> I'll use samba or nfs
[15:30] <willybilly0101> probably nfs
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[15:32] * IT_Sean needs to come up with something clever to do with his raspi
[15:32] <Mortvert> IT_Sean - monitoring device for outside
[15:32] <shiftplusone> how's that case coming along?
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[15:32] <IT_Sean> shiftplusone: Nearly done. :p
[15:32] <shiftplusone> ...that case you've been working on for 3 months
[15:32] <IT_Sean> also... bite me
[15:33] <IT_Sean> Actually, i haven't been working on it for 3 months. I've been working on it for an hour or so. It's been collecting dust for three months!
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[15:33] <shiftplusone> ah
[15:34] <pksato> My rpi is on original box, not collecting dust. :)
[15:34] * shiftplusone has a few dust collector project around as well =(
[15:34] <shiftplusone> *projects
[15:34] <IT_Sean> I removed my raspi from my home entertainment system the other day, and replaced it with a Roku 3
[15:34] <shiftplusone> That's the one with the same chip?
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[15:35] <IT_Sean> Basically, yeah.
[15:35] <flibble> roku is an alwinner chip?
[15:35] <IT_Sean> I am cutting off the cable TV though, and moving to a streaming only environment for my viewing needs
[15:37] <shiftplusone> Ah, actually it seems to be using a Cortex-A9, my mistake.
[15:37] * IT_Sean shrugs
[15:38] <shiftplusone> I was wondering how they managed to squeeze so much more out of it.
[15:38] <IT_Sean> One of 'em uses the same SoC as the raspi. Dunno if it's one of the other Rokus, or a similar product....
[15:38] <IT_Sean> the Roku 3 is pretty nice, though.
[15:38] <flibble> cortex a8 and a9 are rather a lot nicer than the Pi's ARM11 :(
[15:41] <shiftplusone> Meh, the ARM11 seems sufficient for occasional poking around.
[15:42] <ShorTie> thats 1 thing about a play toys, there is always more different maybe better toys
[15:43] * IT_Sean might set up a raspi webcam
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[16:00] * Katty takes a little break from work
[16:01] <Katty> yay all my tickets are caught up
[16:01] <Katty> until someone answers.
[16:02] * rikai (~rikai@unaffiliated/rikai) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[16:02] * IT_Sean opens a ticket
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[16:02] * Katty glares
[16:03] * tig| replies to a closed ticket to say thanks, thus reopening the ticket
[16:03] <Katty> tig|: hehe i hate that too
[16:03] * IT_Sean opens a couple more tickets
[16:04] <tig|> Katty: :)
[16:04] <Katty> IT_Sean: you're crusin for a bruisin mister!
[16:04] * flibble closes all tickets with a PEBKAC message
[16:05] <tig|> flibble: throw in a couple of PICNICs too
[16:05] * IT_Sean creates a new ticket loop between Katty's ticketing system and his own, which results in several dozen new tickets for Katty
[16:05] * Katty sobs
[16:05] <flibble> IT_Sean: raise a new ticket "Ticketing system can't seem to keep up"
[16:06] * IT_Sean opens a new ticket "Ticketing system can't seem to keep up"
[16:06] * likarish (~likarish@rrcs-24-103-188-37.nys.biz.rr.com) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[16:06] * IT_Sean logs into Katty's ticketing system and does a select all, mark as solved
[16:07] * Katty flips table and quits
[16:07] <tig|> Hook it up to a responder that takes the subject line and subtracts a random number from the ticket id and replies
[16:07] <Katty> s/quits/rage quits/
[16:07] <IT_Sean> Hmm... Did i push that one a bit too far?
[16:08] * IT_Sean opens one last ticket in Katty's system: "Sorry."
[16:08] <tig|> I need to update the ticketing system here
[16:08] * Katty mumbles, drinks caffeine
[16:08] * tig| opens ticket for the upgrade
[16:08] <IT_Sean> What system?
[16:09] <Katty> i bet it's connectwise
[16:09] <tig|> and CC's Katty's ticketing system jic
[16:09] <Katty> or asana
[16:09] <Katty> NOOOOOO
[16:09] <tig|> nope :) running RT here
[16:09] * IT_Sean is familiar with NONE of those :p
[16:10] <tig|> RT is just bombproof
[16:10] <Katty> ticketing system is a ticketing systme. they all do tickets. some more nicely than others.
[16:10] <tig|> it is a big perl monster :)
[16:10] * IT_Sean uses zendesk and is pretty pleased with it
[16:12] * Katty stares at her spreadsheet
[16:12] <tig|> at the risk of going off topic, is there a magic switch to make the import command take a screenshot with the video overlay in place?
[16:13] <tig|> as I have pi1 streaming to pi2 but when I take a screenshot on pi2 I don't get the video window at all it is just as if it wasn't there
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[16:17] * tig| opens a ticket for it
[16:18] * arcanescu (925706ef@gateway/web/freenode/ip. Quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
[16:20] * SpeedEvil places tig| in some xenon.
[16:22] <FR^2> At what temperature?
[16:25] * Katty (~Katty@97-91-121-70.static.stls.mo.charter.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
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[16:35] <IT_Sean> ou.... out.... outssside? o_O
[16:38] <flibble> I went outside once, the plants tried to have sex with me and made me sneeze
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[16:38] * Katty sighs
[16:38] <Katty> the owner is arguing with charter in the server room
[16:38] <tig|> I want to be outside right now
[16:39] <Katty> so much drama. i want out of here
[16:39] <tig|> I want to cycle home as it looks nice outside and I don't want to be stuck infront of this screen
[16:40] <IT_Sean> It's raining here. :/
[16:40] <tig|> erk
[16:40] <IT_Sean> warm. :) but raining. :(
[16:40] <tig|> Burton? Derby?
[16:41] <tig|> or Crewe?
[16:41] <IT_Sean> ?
[16:41] <tig|> oh wait there is some further up
[16:41] <tig|> just looked at a map and it was the only place I could spot rain
[16:41] <IT_Sean> you are waaaay off, tig|
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[16:41] <IT_Sean> several thousand miles off, in fact.
[16:41] <tig|> ah
[16:42] * Katty wants rain :<
[16:42] <tig|> I don't want rain as I am riding home today :)
[16:42] * IT_Sean sends Katty some rain
[16:43] * Katty happydances in the rain
[16:43] <IT_Sean> o_O
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[16:43] <IT_Sean> It's monday. Stop being so happy.
[16:43] <Katty> believe me. i'm not. especially with all that drama in my server room 10ft away
[16:44] <tig|> IT_Sean: it is Monday, but it is now closer to Friday evening than it was this morning
[16:44] <IT_Sean> You can hear the server room drama from your office? o_O
[16:44] <flibble> Katty: pull the fire alarm ... or set off the halon ? :)
[16:44] <Katty> IT_Sean: yeah you have to go through my office to get to the server room.
[16:44] * IT_Sean shows Katty how to use the HALON TEST button
[16:44] <Katty> IT_Sean: and they left the door open
[16:44] <IT_Sean> close the door?
[16:44] <IT_Sean> THEN press the halon test button.
[16:44] <tig|> close the server room door
[16:44] <Katty> i'm not disturbing that lot. i want nowhere near it. for fear i get sucked into it
[16:44] <tig|> then bolt it
[16:45] <IT_Sean> Yes.
[16:45] <Katty> if i so much as HINT that i'm not insanely busy, they will drag me into it
[16:45] <tig|> THEN the Halon test
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[16:45] <IT_Sean> Wait... the Charter rep is in the server room!? O_O
[16:45] <Katty> no, two of their tech support folks
[16:45] <IT_Sean> O_O
[16:46] <IT_Sean> At $job.old, the'd have been shot before they got 10 feet from the door...
[16:46] <Katty> i'm staying out of it.
[16:46] <Katty> completely.
[16:46] * IT_Sean used to work at a very high security bitfarm
[16:46] <Katty> ah right. not so much here i suppose
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[16:55] * Katty breathes a sigh of relief
[16:56] * Katty tenses back up :<
[16:56] <Katty> y u no leave my office?!
[16:56] <IT_Sean> o_O
[16:56] <Katty> they left. but then they came right back :/
[16:56] <IT_Sean> >_<
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[16:56] * Katty cries
[16:56] <IT_Sean> ._.
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[16:59] <sebastianpersic> Anyone that have installed maven, and configured it properly
[17:00] <Katty> i've heard of it!
[17:00] <Katty> but never tried to set it up :<
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[17:01] <IT_Sean> I've never 'erd of it.
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[17:17] <_WolfeZ_> Is a raspberry pi good for a web server
[17:18] <shiftplusone> depends
[17:18] <IT_Sean> that depends
[17:18] <_WolfeZ_> On what?
[17:18] <IT_Sean> what are you serving? to how many people? just locally, or over the innernet?
[17:18] <Gelb> dynamic or static web content?
[17:18] <_WolfeZ_> IT_Sean: Over the internet.
[17:18] <shiftplusone> sorry about the non-answer, but pretty much everything. You'd have to provide more info.
[17:18] <_WolfeZ_> Gelb: dynamic(php)
[17:18] <IT_Sean> what are you serving? to how many people?
[17:19] <_WolfeZ_> Idont know how may poeple, i think 50 a week
[17:19] <FR^2> performance expectations?
[17:19] <Gelb> how many page impressions per second? how much time does php use to produce a web page on the RPi? how much latency are your users ready to accept?
[17:19] <bacobart> well for 50 users a week i think a raspberry pi will suffice
[17:20] <bacobart> just don't expect too much
[17:20] <_WolfeZ_> oke
[17:20] <bacobart> and don't run something like magento on it
[17:20] <bacobart> because you will be in pain:P
[17:20] <bacobart> and enable apache cache (apc module)
[17:20] <IT_Sean> There will be blood.
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[17:20] <Gelb> for a nice private web sites, which has some users from time to time, it is probably okay. php is relatively efficient, doesn't take too much memory...
[17:20] <bacobart> php is ineffecient as can be:P
[17:20] * Katty watches the squirrelies nom
[17:20] * IT_Sean looks at his ticketing system, hits 'select all' then 'close'
[17:21] <IT_Sean> Katty: Squirrels?
[17:21] <Katty> http://tinyurl.com/b5k3lt4 <- so much nomming, so little time!
[17:21] * IT_Sean gets a rifle out of the company armory
[17:21] <Katty> NO!
[17:21] * Katty takes rifle away
[17:21] * IT_Sean takes it back!
[17:21] <dreamreal> chridal: hey
[17:21] <Katty> gahh you scared them off!
[17:21] <IT_Sean> Employees only!
[17:21] <Katty> how could you!
[17:21] <IT_Sean> :o
[17:21] <IT_Sean> :(
[17:21] * IT_Sean puts it away
[17:21] <Katty> :>
[17:21] * Katty waits for squirrely return
[17:22] <Katty> you even made them make a mess of their nuts
[17:22] <Katty> look at that! nuts everywhere.
[17:22] <shiftplusone> and we're back to regular broadcasting
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[17:22] <IT_Sean> heh
[17:22] <Katty> back to their regularly scheduled nomming
[17:23] <Katty> omnomnom
[17:23] <Katty> he keeps checking for other squirrels. or possibly rifles?
[17:23] * IT_Sean hides
[17:24] <shiftplusone> ooh... a bird... a plot twist.
[17:24] <Katty> shiftplusone: they love that suet.
[17:24] <Katty> shiftplusone: peanut delight is the name of it. if you feed the birds.
[17:24] <Katty> shiftplusone: it's a 'no melt' suet dough. they go absolutely nuts for it
[17:25] <shiftplusone> nice
[17:25] <tig|> that bird certainly looks like it is enjoying it
[17:25] <tig|> a second squirrel appears
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[17:26] <tig|> Katty: is this the CSI camera?
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[17:27] <tig|> (not in a - Squirrel ENHANCE - way) :)
[17:27] <shiftplusone> lol!
[17:28] <tig|> squirrel is back
[17:28] <IT_Sean> so we really need a play by play on the rodents?
[17:28] <tig|> and he has turned his back on IT_Sean's hiding place
[17:29] * IT_Sean reaches out and pets the squirrel
[17:29] <tig|> or possibly mooning at him :)
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[17:30] <shiftplusone> Is it just me or did that squirrel slip and fall about half a minute ago?
[17:31] <Katty> tig|: hehe no, it's not a CSI camera
[17:31] <Katty> tig|: it's just my 'office window' here at work
[17:32] <Katty> now with moar bird!
[17:32] <Katty> i'll never understand why the squirrels eat out of the feeder when they have the whole tray at their disposal :/
[17:33] <DrCode> hi all
[17:33] * Katty waves to DrCode
[17:33] <DrCode> I have order raspberrypi today
[17:33] <DrCode> I will be glad for some tips
[17:33] <Katty> i guess it's to make room for other squirrels.
[17:33] <Katty> DrCode: get one of those clear plexiglass cases for them!
[17:33] <shiftplusone> DrCode, if it's about squirrels, you're in luck.
[17:33] <Katty> DrCode: and an ultra sd card (=
[17:33] <Katty> DrCode: the faster speed ones
[17:34] <DrCode> I am thinking to use it for xbmc
[17:34] <Katty> shiftplusone: i can't help but like their pudgie little cheaks :>
[17:34] <DrCode> I will buy 32Gb speed 10 card
[17:34] <Katty> shiftplusone: and pointy little ears
[17:34] <DrCode> yes
[17:35] <shiftplusone> I would avoid class 10. Many work fine, but they seem to be less likely to work than class 4 and the difference in speed seems to depend more on the manufacturer than the class of the card.
[17:35] <DrCode> I want to know if xbmc can run smothly on raspberrypi? , can I install ubuntu or BackTrack? is it possible to use battrey and connect my smartphone ssh for controll raspberrypi?
[17:36] <DrCode> in my walt I have 8 Gb SD regular speed
[17:36] <shiftplusone> DrCode, yes (but ymmv), no, yes, yes.
[17:36] <Katty> i'm not sure i'm /entirely/ following your english
[17:36] <DrCode> but I understand that xbmc will need fastest card like class 10
[17:36] <Katty> but, from what i think you're saying.. yes you can ssh into a raspberry pi with a smart phone
[17:36] <DrCode> sorry
[17:36] <Katty> and probably ssh keys too
[17:37] <DrCode> ok
[17:37] <Katty> tho i've not tried ssh keys. but can confirm ssh does work
[17:37] <IT_Sean> DrCode: Yes, you can put xbmc on a raspi; I recommend using the OpenELEC OS for that.
[17:37] <DrCode> so I can make raspberrypi protable
[17:37] <DrCode> I am thinking to install backtrack or kali linux with aircrack
[17:37] <DrCode> ok
[17:37] <DrCode> thankyou IT_Sean
[17:37] <Katty> DrCode: what's your primary language?
[17:38] <shiftplusone> I don't know what kali is based on, but forget ubuntu-based distros
[17:38] <DrCode> sorry about my bad english
[17:38] <IT_Sean> It's quite alright.
[17:38] <Katty> DrCode: it's not that bad!! it's pretty good actually!
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[17:38] <DrCode> I am doing other things
[17:38] <Katty> DrCode: i know native english speakers that are worse!
[17:39] <DrCode> wow, thankyou
[17:39] <DrCode> what about making raspberrypi portable
[17:39] <DrCode> I want to use it for aircrack
[17:39] <Katty> what's aircrack?
[17:39] <DrCode> crack Access Point and other stuff
[17:40] <DrCode> BackTrack?
[17:40] <shiftplusone> DrCode, depends on your needs, but you can hook up a battery just fine.
[17:40] <DrCode> nm
[17:40] <DrCode> can I use battery ?
[17:40] <DrCode> how?
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[17:40] <DrCode> how much time it can work , with Wifi card like alfa
[17:40] <Dyskette> You just need something to put out at least a good half amp of 5v
[17:40] <shiftplusone> Something like this is the easiest to use http://www.ianker.com/anker-astro-external-battery-backup-charger/product/79ANS1052-BA
[17:40] <IT_Sean> That depends on the battery, and how much other stuff you have hooked up
[17:41] <Dyskette> Doesn't really matter where it's coming from - as long as you can wire 5v to the pins in the microusb power socket, you're good to go
[17:42] <DrCode> wow thats awsome 10,000 Mha
[17:42] <DrCode> wow
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[17:42] <shiftplusone> if you want wifi, things get a little trickier. You might also want to use a model A instead, since it will extend your battery life significantly.
[17:42] <DrCode> it my work 3 days or somthing
[17:42] <DrCode> ok
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[17:42] <DrCode> if I connect my mobile by usb cable , how can I see raspberrypi screen?
[17:43] <DrCode> I am thinking to use Kali Linux, it uses ubuntu for ARM
[17:43] <shiftplusone> like I said, forget ubuntu.
[17:43] <shiftplusone> Install the software you need (aircrack-ng and whatever else) on raspbian.
[17:43] <Dyskette> Easiest way is to use SSH or VNC or something
[17:43] <shiftplusone> you can use usb tethering and use ssh and vnc.
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[17:44] <shiftplusone> though tethering is optional
[17:44] <DrCode> I see
[17:44] <DrCode> ok
[17:44] <DrCode> I see
[17:44] <DrCode> thankyou
[17:46] <shiftplusone> in case you are wondering why ubuntu isn't going to work, it supports a version of ARM that is newer than the pi's version and they have no interest in supporting the pi.
[17:47] <Davespice> shiftplusone: I bet they're kicking themselves for taking that decision actually
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[17:47] <shiftplusone> They can still repent.
[17:47] <flibble> tbh, ubuntu == debian == raspbian from most points of view :)
[17:47] <shiftplusone> Though I am not sure what ubuntu would offer than raspbian doesn't (as I keep saying).
[17:48] <ripzay> community support i guess would be the only advantage over a ubuntu based build vs a debian based one
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[17:48] <DrCode> ok
[17:48] <DrCode> thankyou
[17:49] <ripzay> (based on the fact that there are more ubuntu 'desktop' users than there are debian 'desktop' users
[17:49] <flibble> yeah, but raspbian is covered by the pi forums pretty well :)
[17:49] <ripzay> yeah.. but problems with software rarely only affects a single hardware platform
[17:49] <shiftplusone> I think if I had a linux-relate question, I would rather ask here than on ubuntu's channel, but maybe that's just me.
[17:50] <shiftplusone> *related
[17:50] <Dyskette> Ubuntu community support is pretty hit-and-miss anyway
[17:50] <Dyskette> Lots of desktop users, sure, but not necessarily a lot of power users who can help you figure out whatever it is you need to figure out
[17:50] * redarrow_ is now known as redarrow
[17:50] <ripzay> i guess you do get to a point were you can't see the wood for the trees in terms of the number of results you get when you google for a particular issue
[17:51] <ripzay> where more and more of the results are simply not relevent
[17:51] <Dyskette> I tend to find lots of forum threads of people asking for help with whatever and not getting it :P
[17:51] <Dyskette> (Or not getting a solution, anyway)
[17:51] <flibble> tbh, ubuntu unity desktop support might not apply to raspbian lxde desktop anyway :)
[17:52] <shiftplusone> Ooh, Arch is a great example. A much less popular distro with much better support. (Though that might be a subjective call too)
[17:52] <Dyskette> Well no, but I tend to use the Ubuntu community when I have an issue with Ubuntu, which I run on a few non-rpi boxes
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[17:53] <Dyskette> shiftplusone: yeah, that's my impression. Gentoo was like that back in the day too (no idea what the state of it is now)
[17:53] * mentar_ is now known as mentar
[17:54] <ShorTie> gentoo is still cool
[17:54] <Dyskette> I had a brief look at their website the other week, and I understand that stage1 installs are no longer a thing, really
[17:54] <Dyskette> That kinda makes me a little sad, even if it probably is sensible.
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[17:55] <Dyskette> Last I used gentoo, stage1 was heavily recommended, and stage2 and stage3 were technically possible also
[17:55] <Dyskette> The stage1 install (and documentation, especially) was a fantastic learning experience
[17:55] <ShorTie> oh ya
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[17:56] <shiftplusone> I don't know what the gentoo community is like now, but I do credit it for getting me through the first steps of getting the hang of linux ages ago.
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[18:01] <ripzay> my first ever experience of linux was gentoo
[18:01] <ripzay> it took me 8 attempts to get an installation that would boot :P
[18:01] <shiftplusone> heh
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[18:01] <ripzay> and each attempt took AAAAAGES
[18:01] <ripzay> having to build everything
[18:01] <ripzay> on a pentium 2
[18:01] <Dyskette> I think it took me three tries to get a working system
[18:01] <shiftplusone> Should have started with linux from scratch =P
[18:02] <Dyskette> On a p3-600 with no knowledge of linux or any other unix
[18:02] <ripzay> emerge after emerge after emerge
[18:02] <Dyskette> (Following the documentation pretty slavishly :P)
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[18:03] <shiftplusone> It still takes me a few kernel compiles and grub config edits to get things right. =(
[18:03] <shiftplusone> Always miss something
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[18:04] <double-you> how to deactivate/activate "internet" over terminal?
[18:04] <shiftplusone> depends on what you mean exactly, but ifconfig will usually work
[18:05] <shiftplusone> for example ifconfig eth0 down (IIRC)
[18:05] <double-you> ok but I still want to access the rpi over my network
[18:05] <shiftplusone> ah
[18:06] <shiftplusone> other than using iptables, no idea.
[18:07] <IT_Sean> There really isn't a Magical Button for "internet off" besides downing the interface entirely
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[18:08] <shiftplusone> you sure http://i.imgur.com/YiTlu.jpg ?
[18:08] * IT_Sean has disconnected (internet shut down)
[18:09] <double-you> hehe
[18:09] * ShorTie l00ks around for the Obama Button
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[18:09] <tig|> you could put in an unreachable gateway ip address
[18:09] <double-you> you mean there's an "iptable" for allowing local IPs?
[18:09] <double-you> *only
[18:09] <tig|> that way local would work but anything else would die
[18:10] <IT_Sean> seems a bit kludge-ey
[18:10] <IT_Sean> I suppose you could script it
[18:10] <shiftplusone> double-you, http://www.tuxradar.com/answers/131
[18:10] <IT_Sean> have a script to do that, called "innernet off", and one to undo it called "innernet on"
[18:11] <tig|> IT_Sean: just set the gateway to
[18:11] <shiftplusone> http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/19791/set-some-firewall-ports-to-only-accept-local-network-connections
[18:11] <shiftplusone> and other stuff google spits out.
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[18:11] <double-you> my rpi is connected 24/7. I dont want it to be connected to the internet all the time
[18:11] <IT_Sean> why not?
[18:12] <netman87> how about you disconnect network cable? :)
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[18:12] <double-you> it might get hacked some day :-)
[18:13] <netman87> hacked? linux?
[18:13] * IT_Sean facepalms
[18:13] <IT_Sean> double-you: I assure you, you are not interisting enough that someone would want to "hack" you.
[18:13] <netman87> not if you use up to date linux and dont run every file others send/link you
[18:13] <double-you> what if a bot comes around my IP and wants to connect over ssh?
[18:14] <shiftplusone> well, there are the bots that scan ip ranges for known exploits
[18:14] <netman87> double-you, you have password
[18:14] <IT_Sean> that's what good passwords are for, double-you
[18:14] <shiftplusone> ideally keys, not passwords
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[18:14] <IT_Sean> that too
[18:14] <shiftplusone> and change the default ports
[18:14] <shiftplusone> and automatically ban IPs with too many failed login attempts
[18:15] <double-you> step by step :-)
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[18:15] * IT_Sean hacks double-you
[18:15] <tig|> google fail2ban
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[18:15] * Guest66899 is now known as Dragooon
[18:15] <netman87> double-you, if you want to feel secure... use this command: sudo apt-get install fail2ban
[18:16] <nid0> if you want to go a bit further, you could always use csf/lfd
[18:16] <shiftplusone> netman87, running linux does not make your computer immune, btw.
[18:16] <double-you> thank you all
[18:16] <netman87> shiftplusone, its secure enough if user doesnt open network services without configuring them
[18:17] <IT_Sean> ^ wot 'e said
[18:17] <netman87> lets say that i make fresh install of rasbian and connect it to network and wait 3 years... there isnt gonna be any problems
[18:17] <IT_Sean> That is correct.
[18:17] <nid0> uh
[18:18] <nid0> well 1) you're running with known login details if you do that
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[18:18] <IT_Sean> Well, yeah, you need to change the dammed password. That generally goes without saying. :p
[18:18] <nid0> and 2) I wouldnt trust there being no major vulnerabilities coming out of the woodwork over 3 years
[18:18] <netman87> but if i enable sshd and do this "sudo passwd" and set password banana and wait 1 month it should have some neat programs sending ad's to random people
[18:18] <shiftplusone> Then you have things like wordpress or whatever else you install
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[18:19] <netman87> hmm maybe i should even enable root login on sshd configs
[18:19] <tig|> create a new user instead of pi and then in /etc/ssh/sshd_config put a line :
[18:19] <shiftplusone> all enabled by default
[18:19] <tig|> AllowUsers newuser
[18:19] * IT_Sean tries to come up with something fun to do with his raspi
[18:20] <tig|> basically that will only allow that user to login and will deny all others
[18:20] <netman87> nid0, there is no network services by default
[18:20] <shiftplusone> O_o
[18:20] <tig|> that coupled with fail2ban will keep you reasonably secure
[18:20] <tig|> good point you have to enable sshd
[18:20] <shiftplusone> netman87, which distro are you talking about?
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[18:20] <shiftplusone> or just linux in general?
[18:20] <netman87> rasbian, debian, arch
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[18:21] <shiftplusone> on the pi all of those have sshd running by default
[18:21] <netman87> none of popular distros have sshd enabled by default
[18:21] <nid0> yes they do
[18:21] <shiftplusone> except for pretty much all of the ones on the download page.
[18:21] <nid0> raspbian has since forever
[18:21] <nid0> as has arch
[18:22] <netman87> there is sshd installed yes. its not enabled by default
[18:22] <nid0> yes it is
[18:22] <tig|> I thought in raspbian you have to enable it in raspi_config
[18:22] <nid0> no, its installed and enabled by default
[18:22] <shiftplusone> netman87, [citation needed]
[18:22] <netman87> nid0, no its not.
[18:22] <nid0> yes it is
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[18:23] <netman87> download -> install -> try connect
[18:23] <nid0> yes, i've done so countless times
[18:23] * shiftplusone sits back and watches netman87 be wrong
[18:23] <netman87> you know password and username
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[18:23] <nid0> I have 5 pi's here
[18:23] <nid0> only one of them has ever had a keyboard or screen attached to it
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[18:23] <netman87> i have hamburger and pizza here.
[18:23] <nid0> the rest got loaded straight up with raspbian then accessed straight via ssh
[18:23] <nid0> countless times that i've reinstalled them
[18:23] <malcom2073> fwiw, older version of raspbian didn't have it enabled by default.
[18:24] <nid0> it was disabled by default on the really really old alpha builds
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[18:24] <shiftplusone> yeah, like when the pi was just released.
[18:24] <nid0> its been enabled since long before it ever replaced squeeze on the foundation's download page
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[18:26] <netman87> it was not enabled like month ago
[18:26] <nid0> yes it was
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[18:27] <nid0> the newest image is from 25th of May (a bit over a month ago) and like every build for over a year before it, it has ssh enabled by default
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[18:27] <shiftplusone> maybe he's talking about the 'installer' from the raspbian site?
[18:29] <netman87> i did install it 1 month ago from sites. first menu did ask me if i want to enable ssh
[18:30] <nid0> actually raspi-config asks you whether you want it enabled or disabled
[18:30] <nid0> but that doesnt change the fact that its enabled by default
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[18:31] <nid0> if you tell raspi-config to have it enabled, thats it, its keeping it enabled and making no changes
[18:31] <nid0> if you select disabled, it disables it
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[18:34] <IT_Sean> netman87: It's on by default.
[18:34] <netman87> wow. dunno if i ever heard something so stupid
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[18:35] <IT_Sean> o_O
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[18:35] <netman87> password not generated on first boot + sshd enabled?
[18:35] <IT_Sean> Not everyone has a spare monitor to use to set up their raspi. Thus one can SSH in to do the initial config.
[18:35] <IT_Sean> It is NOT stupid.
[18:35] <IT_Sean> It just means it is the owner's responsibility to establish a password
[18:36] <netman87> it is. you can enable ssh by editing config.cfg and/or cmdline.cfg instead
[18:36] <netman87> that would be proper way to do it
[18:36] <nid0> yeah, you can, which is something us in this channel over a year ago were telling people how to do all day every day
[18:36] <netman87> never ever run something not needed by default
[18:36] <nid0> until god delivered unto us a raspbian build which had it enabled by default
[18:36] <nid0> and all was good in the world
[18:37] <IT_Sean> well, when you come to power you can do whatever you want, netman87.
[18:37] <shiftplusone> I would argue that sshd is needed by default on the pi.
[18:37] <IT_Sean> ^ that
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[18:37] <netman87> none of linux systems should have any network services enabled by default. ever. now without user manually installing/selecting
[18:37] <nid0> well, they do
[18:37] <IT_Sean> netman87: you could not possibly be more wrong if you tried.
[18:38] <netman87> i should start using openbsd from this day
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[18:38] <IT_Sean> Yeah... okay... let's make it _harder_ for people to set up this __educational tool__. You are an idiot, sir.
[18:38] <netman87> no its against whole linux
[18:39] <shiftplusone> That's not op-ly behavior D=
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[18:39] <netman87> there is even big red warning on sites that say "change password and disable ssh because we just wanted to add backport to your device"
[18:40] <HonkeyGenius> at least it was a polite insult
[18:40] <shiftplusone> Ah, I guess the 'sir' balances it out XD
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[18:41] <shiftplusone> I wonder if the openbsd image has ssh enabled by default >.>
[18:41] <shiftplusone> ah wait, that's not the one that runs on the pi yet
[18:42] <shiftplusone> Keep getting the *BSDs mixed up.
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[18:43] <netman87> OpenBSD and some recent Linux distributions include sshd, the SSH server in the base install and start it automatically. To make the simplest connection you only need to type "ssh host_name_or_ip" to start a connection from the client side. UNIX clients assume the current user name unless another is provided and Windows clients include a field to provide a user name.
[18:43] <netman87> what a..
[18:43] <MidnightCommando> netman87: what the hell
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[18:44] <MidnightCommando> shiftplusone: freebsd, almost certainly; netbsd, don't know, but about to find out
[18:44] * Katty peeks in
[18:44] <MidnightCommando> freebsd by default has sshd enabled
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[18:44] <netman87> atleast they ask for password
[18:44] <Katty> what's the word.
[18:44] <netman87> but still to have it enabled in system services by default
[18:45] <IT_Sean> whelp... raspbian has it on by defaut, and with good reason, so... get over yourself.
[18:45] <netman87> Katty, nothing. i just lost my trust in linux and openbsd and freebsd.
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[18:46] <shiftplusone> netman87, this has nothing to do with the kernels. It's the people who make and distribute the images.
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[18:47] <netman87> shiftplusone, GNU/linux then
[18:47] * Katty pats netman87
[18:47] <Katty> netman87: sometimes these things happen :<
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[18:47] * IT_Sean hands Katty a wet wipe, to clean the stoopid off
[18:47] <IT_Sean> careful Katty, it's contagious!
[18:48] * Katty threats IT_Sean with a contaminated paw
[18:48] * IT_Sean backs away
[18:48] <Katty> *hee*
[18:48] <IT_Sean> you touched netman! You need to be decontaminated!
[18:49] <netman87> atleast im cleaner than people packaging security issues in public OS images
[18:50] <IT_Sean> netman87: it is NOT a security issue, so long as the person setting it up isn't a complete blithering idiot!
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[18:50] <netman87> having sshd enabled by default isnt so bad, but to use it with known password and username
[18:50] <netman87> its security issue if user input is needed to disable it
[18:51] <IT_Sean> Yes, which is how it should be! This way one can perform the initial setup via SSH without having to tinker with config files!
[18:51] <netman87> stop ruining my world :(
[18:51] * Katty stays out of the great ssh debate.
[18:52] <shiftplusone> Katty, sure, but only because you don't want people noticing you're a furry! D=
[18:52] <IT_Sean> And someone who isn't a complete knob can manage to alter the settings such to secure their raspi once they are in there.
[18:53] <netman87> atleast and one-time init script that generates random password or force user to set password before continying boot to rc-level which enables sshd
[18:53] <Katty> shiftplusone: what's wrong with furries?
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[18:53] <IT_Sean> I give up.
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[18:53] <Katty> shiftplusone: while i don't actually know any (i don't think) i fully support whatever their personal preference is as long as they're not hurting anyone.
[18:53] <Katty> shiftplusone: or as long as the hurting is uhh mutual *cough*
[18:54] <Katty> shiftplusone: however that works.
[18:54] <IT_Sean> **ahem**
[18:54] <shiftplusone> Katty, lol
[18:56] <shiftplusone> anyway, looks like nap time.
[18:56] <Katty> ninite!
[18:56] <Katty> take one for me too!
[18:57] <shiftplusone> will do, take care.
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[18:59] <netman87> IT_Sean, can you modify rasbian image?
[18:59] <IT_Sean> In what way?
[19:00] <netman87> i mean can you ably changes to official rasbian image?
[19:00] <IT_Sean> Me, personally?
[19:00] <netman87> or do you have contact to persons who package that distro
[19:00] <IT_Sean> Why do you ask?
[19:00] <shiftplusone> netman87, you can make whatever changes you need for your personal use.
[19:01] <netman87> shiftplusone, i did ask that
[19:01] <netman87> IT_Sean, because its seriosly need to be fixed
[19:01] <Katty> time to take it to the vet!
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[19:06] <netman87> and why are you not answering IT_Sean?
[19:06] <nid0> netman87: the foundation already fixed the issue when they enabled it, because having it disabled was dumb
[19:07] <Katty> netman87: maybe he's lunching
[19:07] <Katty> netman87: or on the phone
[19:07] <Katty> netman87: or maybe his doggie demanded to go outside
[19:07] <netman87> Katty, yeah. its possible
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[19:07] <IT_Sean> netman87: why do you keep pinging me!?
[19:08] <netman87> IT_Sean, im not using "ping"
[19:08] <IT_Sean> you keep using my name... why?
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[19:08] <netman87> because i want answer?
[19:08] <Katty> TIL how to irritate IT_Sean!
[19:08] <IT_Sean> well, i don't have time to deal with idiots... kindly bog off, sir!
[19:09] * Katty wonders how one Bogs
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[19:10] <netman87> thats not nice. im willing to help to fix this serious problem. also im not too young so i dont have use for those words. it would be much easier if you just answered my question and not trying to start fight over something silly
[19:10] <IT_Sean> It's not a problem you blithering idiot!
[19:10] <nid0> you're "willing" to "help fix" something that isnt a problem?
[19:10] <IT_Sean> It is set up that way FOR A REASON.
[19:10] <IT_Sean> there is NOTHING that needs to be fixed!
[19:11] * Katty goes back into hiding
[19:11] <netman87> thats just stupid way to think.
[19:12] <netman87> you arent even listening me and you arent answering. just repeating foul language on channel that have rules to act in mature ways.
[19:12] * Katty pats netman87
[19:12] <IT_Sean> I am listening. I understand that you BELIEVE that this is a problem. I assure you, it is NOT.
[19:12] <Katty> netman87: maybe he's the wrong person to contact too?
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[19:12] <netman87> Katty, seems so :(
[19:12] <nid0> doesnt it occur to you that maybe your demanding to randomly break user functionality thats there for a reason might be the stupid way to think?
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[19:12] <Katty> netman87: i'm sure your feedback is always welcome, but you might need to submit it elsewhere
[19:13] <Katty> netman87: who knows, maybe they'll bundle it as a release in the future...with some slight alterations!
[19:13] <Katty> netman87: sadly, i don't know where the appropriate feedback place is :< but google might know! :>
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[19:13] <netman87> yeah. it should have been just more easier if he just did answer if he can point me to right person so i could just write proper configuration/setup script.
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[19:13] <Katty> netman87: well maybe he doesn'tknow either.
[19:13] <nid0> you can package your own image and reconfigure it however you want it
[19:14] <IT_Sean> netman87: you can feel free to submit any ideas you have to the foundation, or to whomever packages the software the suggestion is regarding.
[19:14] <netman87> nid0, i havent asked anything from you.
[19:14] <Katty> netman87: and you didn't ask anything from me either.
[19:14] <IT_Sean> hey... nid0 is only trying to help.
[19:14] <Katty> netman87: he's just trying to be helpful, the best way he knows how
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[19:14] <nid0> you seem to be misunderstanding the situation here. The foundation arent somehow incapable of disabling sshd by default so just left it enabled rather than fix it, its enabled intentionally and for a good reason.
[19:14] <Katty> netman87: which, admittedly, isn't always helpful.... :/ but....
[19:14] <Katty> netman87: we are trying! even if it's useless hehe
[19:15] <netman87> Katty, but you dont repeat something that is already known... and said many times earlier
[19:15] <Katty> well that's debatable. i talk about crittercam ALL the time
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[19:15] <Katty> i mean, i practically never shut up about my squirrels
[19:15] <IT_Sean> :p
[19:16] <Katty> there's two on the feeder RIGHT NOW *nodnod*
[19:17] <netman87> Katty, yeah. anyway i should just take raspi-config apart and write some changes to it and then upload diff of my work to someone who manages raspi-config and some other files.
[19:17] <Katty> netman87: there you go!
[19:17] <Katty> netman87: maybe they'll like the idea so much, they'll make it an option during the setup or something.
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[19:19] <netman87> well i was thinking that it should be easiest way to keep both the feature and security by adding 2 lines in config file and then 2-4 more to raspi-config.
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[19:19] <netman87> yeah raspi-config is shell script. okey this gonna be easy
[19:20] <Katty> lookit that, nid0 was useful afterall! yay!
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[19:20] <netman87> he did say nothing that i wasnt aware of actually.
[19:21] <nid0> actually, it was me that spent 15 minutes telling you the thing that everyone else knows that started this whole "debate"
[19:21] <Katty> oh good lord.
[19:21] <Katty> moving on please.
[19:22] <netman87> yes. you did correct me that it is enabled by default. like 100 lines earlier
[19:22] <Katty> before we have a testosterone spill on aisle 5
[19:22] * Katty fetches mop and bucket
[19:22] <netman87> and i didnt believe as its just way to make hundreds of zombie computers
[19:22] <MidnightCommando> not that kind of testosterone spill please.
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[19:23] <IT_Sean> eeeeeeeew
[19:23] <IT_Sean> MidnightCommando... :/
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[19:28] <HonkeyGenius> ugh oh
[19:28] <HonkeyGenius> just crashed X
[19:28] <HonkeyGenius> i think
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[19:30] <Katty> HonkeyGenius: WHAT DID YOU DO!? why did you do that?!?!
[19:30] <Katty> HonkeyGenius: you have angered the pi gods!
[19:30] <Katty> HonkeyGenius: quick! present me with a taco and i will implore them on your behalf
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[19:44] <Dooley> Hello, could someone please help me? I am considering buying a small camera for my pi
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[19:44] <Dooley> do you know if I could use this (not sure about the connector)?: http://www.xomax.de/ebay/bilder/XM-011/verbindung.jpg
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[19:45] <IT_Sean> Dooley: Why not use the official camera module?
[19:45] <Dooley> Because it's more fun to try doing things yourself rather than using a board i think
[19:46] <IT_Sean> The camera you linked appears to have a composite connector. There is no composite input on the Pi, so... you would need a USB based capture device.
[19:46] <Katty> or possibly an adaptor. if they make those.
[19:46] <Dooley> like that: http://www.ambery.com/usb20avvicav.html ?
[19:46] <IT_Sean> There is no video input on the Pi, so, you would need active circuitry to get the video input in.
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[19:47] <IT_Sean> Dooley: That would do, assuming you could locate / compile drivers for it
[19:47] <Katty> looks like startech has a converter
[19:47] <Dooley> ouch, 80 bucks!
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[19:49] <Katty> Dooley: are you open to the idea of using a webcam?
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[19:50] <Katty> Dooley: because if you are, http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals#USB_Webcams <- that may be helpful to you
[19:50] <Dooley> that might be easier indeed!
[19:51] <Katty> Dooley: i'm asuming you're using raspbian or something
[19:51] <Dooley> yes, raspbian
[19:51] <Katty> well give that a go.
[19:51] <Dooley> thank you so much katty
[19:51] <Katty> yw <3
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[19:56] <netman87> hmm, it seems that im really bad at using google
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[19:59] <netman87> well even if google doesnt like me. my cat does it seems
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[20:01] <ParkerR> ricksl: Hey
[20:01] <netman87> hmm, how tolerant raspberry pi SPI pins are? i mean voltage
[20:01] <ricksl> wasap
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[20:11] <Davespice> wow, Dune 2 runs really well on the Pi
[20:11] <Davespice> Dune Legacy should I say
[20:11] <Katty> what's dune 2?
[20:11] * Davespice boggles
[20:11] <netman87> its pretty old game isnt it?
[20:11] <Katty> ah.
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[20:11] <Katty> explains why i haven't heard of it
[20:11] <Davespice> only the game that paved the way for games like Warcraft, Starcraft, Command and Conquer, Red Alert etc :)
[20:12] <Katty> i was thinking dune 2...isn't that...children of dune?
[20:12] <ricksl> how you playing it, dosbox?
[20:12] <Katty> Davespice: righto
[20:12] * Katty never did like those strategy games
[20:12] <Davespice> no I have a native build running on the Pi, its an open souce rewrite of it called Dune Legacy
[20:12] <ricksl> gotcha
[20:13] <Davespice> Katty: yeah its one of those top down strategy, harvest resources, build up your base, make units etc
[20:13] <Katty> well hey, at least it runs!
[20:13] <Davespice> here is a screen shot of it; http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/download/file.php?id=3896
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[20:14] <Katty> looks kind of nintendoey
[20:14] <Davespice> yeah, well the original game rez was 320x200 or something
[20:15] <Davespice> so there is a bit of upscaling going on there, but they have improved the menus and the game controls and it supports multiplayer
[20:15] <Davespice> I might see if I can put it up on the Pi Store, shouldn't be a problem since the game files are available on various abadonware sites
[20:16] <imark> Is it a bad idea to leave a external usb hdd plugged into my pi server 24/7?
[20:17] <IT_Sean> Not necessarily
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[20:18] <imark> I wonder if its likely to ruin the drive in a few weeks/months
[20:18] <ricksl> Might run into problems dave, the emulators were pulled from the store a week or so ago
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[21:25] <mumbles> ?
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[21:26] <SenoraRaton> Quick pop in for a question. I'm setting up an internet radio stream with my raspberry pi, but I'm wondering the simplest way to allow DJs to stream from their laptops to the pi, and have the pi capture and rebroadcast the stream.
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[21:26] <SenoraRaton> I'm using icecast for the pi streaming, so the real question is from laptop to pi. Hard drive space is limited no my SD card, and I'm a bit concered with transfering files even temporarily because of transfer times.
[21:27] <SenoraRaton> There is also no audio in, unless I find a way to monitor audio in over a USB port....?
[21:27] <mumbles> SenoraRaton: cant you stream to icecast ?
[21:28] <SenoraRaton> mumbles:With what interface from the laptop? I'm hoping to avoid needing to scripts for the client.
[21:29] <mumbles> its been a while since ive done it.
[21:29] <mumbles> you will proabaly have to install something
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[21:30] <SenoraRaton> Beyond an mp3 player. Which means I have to hack out a script...
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[21:46] <whyz> hi. i'm reading the gpio documentation on https://code.google.com/p/raspberry-gpio-python/wiki/Inputs . In the threaded callbacks section, it says that "there is only one thread used for callbacks, in which every callback is run, in the order in which they have been defined.". Does this mean that during the execution of a callback function, other edge changes won't be detected?
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[21:54] <HG> well i corrupted my sd card for sure this time. argh can't even access it to format it anymore.
[21:55] <HG> just wish there was something i could do to bring this sd card back to life
[21:55] <Squarepy> put it in the freezer :p
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[22:05] <SpeedEvil> Blow on it.
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[22:06] <IT_Sean> Take it out. blow on it. put it back in
[22:06] <HG> oh if it only worked like an old nintendo cartridge
[22:06] <IT_Sean> heh
[22:06] * IT_Sean remembers performing that procedure on old Nintendo carts, "back in the day".
[22:07] <HG> is it a best practice to format the sd card before writing a new image?
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[22:07] <IT_Sean> I don't think it's strictly necessary.
[22:08] <HG> that's what i was thinking since writing an image deletes the data anyway
[22:09] * IT_Sean nods
[22:12] <HG> what i did was insert the sd card into my laptop's card reader, run win32diskimager, the imager said the card was readonly so i flipped the read/write switch on the card, attempted to write the image and that is when the program halted and now my sd card is kaput
[22:13] <HG> hopefully it's because this sd card is a couple years old.
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[22:14] <KiltedPi^> Whats a good c++ compiler for windows?
[22:14] <KiltedPi^> I used gcc for linux
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[22:17] <rbxs> how long will an SD card last?
[22:17] <IT_Sean> That depends on several factors.
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[22:18] <IT_Sean> How often is data written to it? How much data is written to it? What capacity is it? Has it got wear leveling? Is it currently on fire? How many times has it been formatted? etc... ... ...
[22:18] <rbxs> mine runs 24/7, in a well cooled rack of a co-located datacenter
[22:18] <rbxs> it's busy a whole day
[22:19] <rbxs> running a database on it
[22:19] <rbxs> :-)
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[22:19] <SpeedEvil> The major problem with SD cards is that they have no SMART.
[22:19] <SpeedEvil> Well - a major.
[22:19] <SpeedEvil> They have no way to say 'I'm dying' before actually dying.
[22:21] <mumbles> HG: i did the same to mine last week
[22:21] <mumbles> might be able to format it
[22:21] <rbxs> going to back it up to aws S3 i think
[22:21] <mumbles> has anyone got a ledborg to flash ?
[22:21] <rbxs> someone experience with that?
[22:22] <HG> think i have another sd card at home. may as well take the one from my tablet that i rarely use.
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[22:28] <_21h_> this cable will work with rpi? http://www.aliexpress.com/item/HDMI-HDTV-to-VGA-3-RCA-Converter-Adapter-Cable-1080p/680356214.html
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[22:29] <KiltedPi^> Sorry was afk
[22:30] <KiltedPi^> Whats a good C++ compiler for windows?
[22:31] * IT_Sean hands KiltedPi^ a Linux install image on USB flash drive
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[22:31] <KiltedPi^> HUrhurur!
[22:31] <bacobart> KiltedPi^: visual studio
[22:31] <KiltedPi^> Yeah
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[22:32] <gordonDrogon> evening.
[22:32] <IT_Sean> afternoon
[22:33] <ShorTie> mornin
[22:33] <KiltedPi^> is visual studio free?
[22:33] <bacobart> the express edition is
[22:33] <bacobart> http://www.microsoft.com/visualstudio/eng/downloads
[22:33] <KiltedPi^> cool
[22:33] <KiltedPi^> d/l now yeah
[22:33] <bacobart> i'm not sure if the 2012 express has c++
[22:33] <bacobart> but the 2010 has
[22:34] <bacobart> 2012 probably too
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[23:00] <mumbles> System uptime 5 days, 5 hours, 07 minutes
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[23:03] <mrneb> anyone had success with video capture with easycap DC60 (STK1160 chip) running recent raspbian ?
[23:04] <Encrypt> Would anyone be interested in making a common order to buy PiHolder cases?
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[23:07] <Raazeer> Encrypt, where to?
[23:09] <Encrypt> I live in France but we could make a common order worldwide...
[23:10] <Encrypt> I mean if we create a kind of "group" saying it is an order from the #raspberrypi channel guys, we could get discounts I imagine...
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[23:11] <dan2k3k4> :o
[23:11] <dan2k3k4> 75$ for a case?
[23:11] <Encrypt> Ya
[23:12] <Encrypt> But it's made up of aluminium
[23:12] <ShorTie> but it's preaty
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[23:12] <Encrypt> And directly cools the Pi: it acts as heatsinks
[23:12] <ShorTie> lol
[23:12] <mrneb> :o I could order a few more model Bs with 512mb ram for that :)
[23:12] <Encrypt> <ShorTie> but it's preaty // +1
[23:13] * mrneb has 2 model Bs with 256mb
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[23:13] <ShorTie> hafe a red bud case is good enough for me though
[23:14] <mrneb> for cooling I have mines hanging bare board in free air of network cable + micro usb cable :)
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[23:14] <wroberts1> the metal on the usb connector is a fair heat dissipator
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[23:16] <mumbles> i havent had the need for cooling yet
[23:17] <ShadowJK> cooling lol
[23:17] <ShorTie> i believe it will shut down on it's own before it fry's itself
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[23:20] <drkcodeman> i think i solved the ultimate math problem lol of being able to cool down the erupters while keeping cost of electricity down :)
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[23:20] <drkcodeman> and overhead because of that
[23:21] <drkcodeman> gonna get myself as many as i can when i get paid friday just not planning on paying $200 for one
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[23:35] <KiltedPi^> how do you simply compile a cpp file in visual studio urgh
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[23:39] <ShorTie> mkfs.ext4 /dev/sda1
[23:42] <malcom2073> KiltedPi^: Create a new project, add that file as part of the project, spend three hours on dependancies, compile. Deploy, spend another 2-3 hours on dependancies
[23:43] <malcom2073> Then give up, install mingw, g++ myfile.cpp -o myexecutable, have a beer.
[23:45] <mrneb> praise be the gnu tool chain :)
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