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IRC Log for 2013-07-03

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[0:00] <baconology> pyqt looks complicated as f
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[0:01] <mgottschlag> what about learning C++? :p
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[0:02] <mgottschlag> actually, I like qt creator for that reason because the gui is just some clicks, works probably comparably to visual basic (or delphi)
[0:02] <mgottschlag> anyways, gn8
[0:03] <baconology> thanks, take care
[0:03] <\\Mr_C\\> how many mm spacing is there on the camera module cable?
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[0:12] <Bozza> going to compile the kernel in a minute
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[0:52] <yggdrasil> whats up gents
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[1:10] <definity> Hi
[1:11] <definity> Can I boot of my SD card if it has just one EXT4 partition?
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[1:13] <rweichler> hi i was wondering if there was a util that can send/recieve the display and sound
[1:13] <rweichler> over a network
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[1:14] <definity> VNC?
[1:14] <rweichler> im hooking up my pi to the TV to serve as a netflix/torrent/media hub and being able to wirelessly project a computer display to it would be a staple
[1:14] <rweichler> ill check VNC out thanks
[1:14] <definity> No
[1:14] <definity> Dont
[1:14] <definity> its not for media, its for remote control
[1:14] <rweichler> ?
[1:15] <definity> if you want to play files your better off setting up a network
[1:15] <rweichler> yeah all i want to do is essentially screencast to the pi
[1:15] <rweichler> so if people come over and want to show something to me they can just download the client and screencast to the TV
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[1:16] <rweichler> i have a gigabit router so network speed isn't an issue
[1:16] <definity> Like streaming?
[1:16] <rweichler> basically
[1:16] <definity> so you have media on one pc and you want to stream it to the PI?
[1:16] <rweichler> yeah
[1:17] <definity> Is this other PC also Linux or is it windows?
[1:17] <rweichler> it could be either, but mostly linux
[1:19] <definity> https://www.linux.com/learn/tutorials/296391:easy-samba-setup
[1:19] <definity> that link should help.
[1:19] <definity> Samba is a protcol that can shar between Mac/Linux/Windows
[1:19] <definity> share*
[1:20] <rweichler> this looks like some sort of file transfer protocol
[1:21] <rweichler> i mean i could just use scp instead
[1:22] <rweichler> unless im missing something?
[1:22] <definity> http://www.videolan.org/vlc/streaming.html
[1:22] <definity> Also taht
[1:23] <rweichler> no like what im talking about is something like X11
[1:23] <definity> well once you have setup a network you can then use VLC to go onto what ever computer your media is on and then stream it over the network using VLC
[1:23] <rweichler> where you straight up send the entire screen
[1:23] <definity> you send the media not the screen
[1:23] <rweichler> so if i'm playing counter strike i can just put it on the screen
[1:23] <rweichler> or web browsing or youtube
[1:24] <definity> for that VNC would be better
[1:24] <definity> but tbh i have never used it on a LAN so it might be fast enough
[1:24] <definity> like you say if you gto gigabit cables and cards then it should work
[1:25] <rweichler> oh shit VNC sounds perfect actually
[1:25] <rweichler> but i dont really like the bloat of the networked control protocol on top of it
[1:25] <SpeedEvil> vnc is not suitable for any video
[1:25] <rweichler> yeah :/
[1:25] <rweichler> damn, this might not be feasible
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[1:26] <rweichler> yeah, cause it's basically a screencast which requires a somewhat powerful GPU
[1:27] <definity> I think the only thing i know of taht you require is the remote gaming service OnLive but there algorithms are a secret since it is not open source but a Business
[1:27] <definity> and is only use fro gaming and not media
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[1:27] <rweichler> unless if i had something that could connect to the display port of the computer and send a compressed video/audio stream to the pi
[1:27] <bananasdoom> Hello
[1:27] <rweichler> sup
[1:28] <bananasdoom> Does anyone know of an up to date rpi debian disto that is slimed down
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[1:31] <definity> rweichler: http://www.teamviewer.com/en/download/linux.aspx this looks fast
[1:31] <KiltedPi> does raspbian work on PC computers?
[1:31] <KiltedPi> :)
[1:31] <KiltedPi> Like can I install it on my laptop, heh?
[1:32] <Firehopper> dont think so
[1:32] <ring0> unless your laptop has armhf architecture, no
[1:32] <rweichler> just use debian lol
[1:32] <KiltedPi> yeah
[1:32] <rweichler> also definity: ill check that out
[1:32] <KiltedPi> Thats what i thought. i386 is intel architecture
[1:32] <KiltedPi> whats a pi use then, arm?
[1:33] <rweichler> think so
[1:34] <definity> rweichler: whops wrong link sorry
[1:34] <definity> this is the one you want, well the best i can find
[1:34] <definity> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4V-hic1rpro
[1:34] <definity> SplashTop
[1:34] <definity> That is a video of someone showing you tis performance
[1:34] <definity> I think that will be about as close as you can get for now
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[1:35] <definity> KiltedPi: You can install it on a PC through something called Qemu
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[1:35] <rweichler> definity: that's perfect thanks
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[1:35] <definity> NP :)
[1:35] <definity> Can I boot of my SD card if it has just one EXT4 partition?
[1:36] <plugwash> definity, afaict the bootloader in the SoCs rom only understands fat :(
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[1:39] <definity> plugwash: Can I have one big fat partition then?
[1:39] <definity> no pun indtended
[1:40] <rweichler> definity: wait never mind that doesn't work
[1:40] <definity> how come?
[1:40] <rweichler> you need the streaming client on the pi, and it's not compiled for linux D:
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[1:40] <KiltedPi> How do you find out what architecture you are using on windows 7?
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[1:41] <definity> It says here you can download the stremer for Linux/Mac or PC
[1:41] <definity> http://www.splashtop.com/splashtop2#overview-tab
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[1:41] <rweichler> yeah the streamer is for linux/mac/windows
[1:41] <definity> it will be x86
[1:41] <plugwash> definity, yes it's possible to build a working system for the Pi with just a fat paritition
[1:41] <rweichler> but the screen viewer needs to be on the pi
[1:41] <definity> plugwash: Thanks :)
[1:41] <rweichler> and it's not for linux
[1:42] <plugwash> but possible and good idea aren't nessacerally the same thing........................................
[1:43] <plugwash> the trouble is that software designed for unix like systems assumes the characteristics of a unix like filesystem so if you don't give it one it's likely to have MAJOR problems
[1:43] <definity> hmmm okay
[1:43] <plugwash> it would be possible to set things up to run out of an image file sitting on the fat partition but I dunno if anyone has worked out the details for doing it on the Pi yet
[1:44] <definity> well i jsut want to make a small embeded system
[1:44] <definity> now window manager
[1:46] <Bozza> compiling a kernel . what UART is used in the rPi?
[1:46] <Bozza> need to select a driver in the kernel
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[1:47] <Phosie> o/
[1:48] <definity> Bozza: i think it is the GPIO ports
[1:48] <Bozza> arent the GPIO pins connected to the UART?
[1:49] <Phosie> Arch is giving me issues again...
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[1:49] <ShorTie> i believe they are a direct connection Bozza
[1:49] <KiltedPi> I figured out a pretty cool way to access the string that has your architecture in-
[1:49] <KiltedPi> in windows i mean
[1:49] <Bozza> Shortie so no need for a uart driver in the kernel?
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[1:50] <definity> UART is pins 14/15 on GPIO i think,
[1:50] <definity> there fro sending and receving data
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[1:50] <Bozza> isn't UART what essentially controls the serial port?
[1:51] <ShorTie> ya, normally
[1:52] <Bozza> i am in the kernel config at the moment . it gives me a list of serial controllers to select from
[1:52] <Bozza> i guess i need that to be able to have a kernel that can talk to the serial connection
[1:52] <Bozza> not sure which one to select
[1:53] <ShorTie> you should be able to l00k thru dmesg and find all the info you need
[1:53] <flibble> uart is a serial port (transmit recieve) without the extra hardware flow control or weird voltages of rs232 serial
[1:54] <Bozza> ahh got it flibble. and thanks Shortie! i will do that now
[1:54] <Bushmills> v24 for signal level sanity :)
[1:55] <flibble> you can connect rs232 to uart with little chip (max 232) in the middle to convert the voltages
[1:56] <Bozza> oh yea , i was looking at that the other day
[1:56] <Bozza> from 5 to 3.3
[1:56] <Bozza> plus it converts ttl to rs232 right?
[1:56] <flibble> yeah
[1:57] <Bozza> ttl why you need conversion? :O
[1:57] <pksato> lvttl
[1:57] <flibble> oh, even if your board was 5v, you'd still need a max232 as it it's +5v to -5v on rs232
[1:57] <flibble> rs232 is a bit wierd electrically :)
[1:57] <Bozza> it would have been cool if they would have provided real rs232 on the gpio
[1:57] <Bozza> hehe
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[1:58] <flibble> the max chip to do the converstion isn't that expensive, but a 9pin rs232 port on the board would have cost more :)
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[1:59] <Bozza> ahh so rs232 actually uses all 9 pins? i was wondering why the uart only had 2 pins. hehe i thought rs232 also only used 2
[2:00] <Bozza> and they just used a 9 pin connector for some unexplainable reason
[2:00] <Firehopper> most things only use 3 pins, tx, rx, and gnd
[2:00] <flibble> there's more clever stuff in rs232 called flow control, where each end could signal each other to go ahead
[2:00] <Firehopper> the other pins are used for hardware handshaking
[2:00] <Firehopper> used for modems and serial printers
[2:01] <flibble> but yeah, as Firehopper said most stuff just uses transmit and recieve
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[2:01] <Bozza> flibble just give me the damn code!
[2:02] <Bozza> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gr_p7Tfl2e0
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[2:02] <Bozza> :(
[2:02] <Bozza> :)*
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[2:03] <Bozza> hope you enjoyed that clip hehe
[2:05] * Firehopper just used my rpi to compile arduino for some reason, took 4 mins 15 seconds :)
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[2:06] <flibble> DRAMA!
[2:06] * Firehopper waits for his udoo
[2:08] <Bozza> EXPLOSIONS
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[2:08] <Bozza> Firehopper any idea how long it will take to compile the kernel?
[2:09] <Bozza> on the pi itself
[2:09] * plugwash has looked at the udoo but isn't sure where it fits
[2:09] <Firehopper> no idea bozza
[2:10] <Firehopper> not sure how I would even try it..
[2:10] <plugwash> how many projects really need both a microcontroller and a multicore processor
[2:10] <Firehopper> dont know if I have enough space on my sd card to do it either.
[2:10] <Firehopper> plugwash, no idea. :)
[2:10] <Firehopper> but I preorded a quad one :)
[2:10] <Firehopper> simply for the fact, SATA port :)
[2:11] <Firehopper> can boot from it supposedly
[2:11] <plugwash> though I have to admit if they had put 2GB of ram on the udoo quad i'd have probablly have bought one
[2:11] <Firehopper> well it does have 1 gig :)
[2:11] <Firehopper> theres people asking for 2 gig ram
[2:12] * plugwash was one of them
[2:12] <plugwash> then I discovered that the wandboard guys had put 2GB on the wandboard quad..........
[2:14] <flibble> I'm enjoying a secondary effect of the Pi success, lots of competitors and alternate boards :)
[2:14] <flibble> dev boards for chips used to be very expensive before Pi and arduino :)
[2:14] <Bozza> any boards with a good cpu?
[2:15] <flibble> cubieboard
[2:15] <flibble> well I think that's a cortex a8
[2:15] <Bozza> is that armv7?
[2:15] <flibble> yeah
[2:15] <plugwash> Bozza, what price range? how good? what other features do you need?
[2:15] <Bozza> nice
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[2:15] <flibble> tho
[2:15] <Bozza> plugwash something with something other than usb input
[2:16] <Bozza> which bus does a cable tuner use on a set top box?
[2:17] <plugwash> dunno what the internal tuners use but I doubt you will find any hackable arm boards and tuners that you can connect over anything other than usb :(
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[2:19] <Bozza> yea that sucks . hanging everything onto one usb controller is a bit of a bottleneck
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[2:21] <plugwash> You can still improve over the Pi by looking for boards that don't rely on USB for storage and networking
[2:21] <plugwash> so the USB is only used for the tuners
[2:22] <Bozza> yes thats true
[2:23] <Bozza> trying to find the bus used by set top boxes
[2:23] <Firehopper> I like the wandboard quad.
[2:23] <Firehopper> but eh..
[2:24] <flibble> Bozza, that's kind of my day job, which STBs, cable boxes? satellite?
[2:25] <Firehopper> if I dont start seeing updates on the udoo.. I may cancel my pre order. and go for a wandboard
[2:25] <Bozza> either sattelite or tv . phillips sells these tv tuners with "IEC" connectors
[2:25] <plugwash> mmm, the one thing I would say about the wandboard is it doesn't look too nice for hobbyist hardware hacking
[2:26] <plugwash> yes there are connectors that allow access to a heck of a lot of IO but said connectors are TINY
[2:28] <Bozza> anyway to connect those to a pi?
[2:28] <flibble> Bozza: inside the box is a tuner chip that rips the mpeg2 dvb stream out of the signal, this is chucked to the SoC that selects which channel out the transport stream, decodes it (optionally removing the conditional access), rendering it to a buffer and splatting it out the video out
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[2:52] <mfletcher> hello and good evening. Anyone here running Risc OS Open on their Pi's?
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[4:50] <alpha1125> Anyone experienced with dc dc step-down power? Wondering if I need to filter the power some how from one of those power step downs off ebay.
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[4:52] <cbxbiker61> alpha1125, i would think the power should be pretty clean, otherwise what's the point, you should look at a application guide though
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[4:54] <alpha1125> cbxbiker61 like one of these http://bit.ly/12kDFf6
[4:54] <alpha1125> like maybe just put an appropriate sized cap between the outputs.
[4:54] <alpha1125> or would that screw things up?
[4:55] <cbxbiker61> no a cap shouldn't hurt in any case
[4:55] <cbxbiker61> it already has caps
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[4:55] <SirSkidmore> any bare metal people around?
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[5:31] <rewired> yaay..think i finally have all of my pi's operational.
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[5:33] <rewired> 32gb sd card issues seem to be related to the noobs package, rbmc and wheezy went on just fine as a solo image.
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[5:37] <rwhite5279> I had problems installing from the NOOBS package as well. Wheezy went on just fine, though.
[5:37] <rwhite5279> Now all I have to do is get wireless working. Still no luck there.
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[6:20] <DMackey> Question, How do I get the wlan0 adapter to KEEP the IP I assign it thru the /etc/network/interfaces config file?
[6:20] <DMackey> I have it assigned sudo ifconfig wlan0 192.168.42.1
[6:20] <DMackey> and in Interfaces,
[6:20] <DMackey> iface wlan0 inet static
[6:20] <DMackey> address 192.168.42.1
[6:20] <DMackey> netmask 255.255.255.0
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[6:21] <DMackey> But after a reboot wlan0 has NO IP addy.
[6:21] <DMackey> I'm using The latest Wheezy from the RPi download page. Clean install
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[9:57] <gordonDrogon> morning.
[10:04] <KiltedPi> morning!
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[10:24] <nerdboy> night
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[11:14] <Bushmills> DMackey: that may not be enough for wlan for example, you're missing the SSID - your if doesn't know what AP to connect with
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[11:49] <willybilly0101> except the wear, it's better to use SD for torrents or external USB? Speed-wise (NFS)
[11:49] <steve_rox> hmmz tricky
[11:49] <willybilly0101> SD is using same bus?
[11:49] <steve_rox> no idea
[11:49] <steve_rox> but im thinking usb magnetic drive since data recovery is easier
[11:50] <steve_rox> as if it had a random power cut
[11:50] <steve_rox> i find corrupting sd so easy
[11:50] <Dyskette> ^
[11:50] <[Saint]> speed-wise? USB - hands down.
[11:51] <Dyskette> My pi has been running for about three months with an all-but collapsed filesystem mounted read-only
[11:51] <willybilly0101> USB HDD faster?
[11:51] <linuxstb> willybilly0101: Why do you say NFS?
[11:51] <[Saint]> Yes.
[11:51] <Dyskette> I gave up on rewriting the SD every time it happened in an effort to have functioning storage
[11:51] <willybilly0101> because it will be used as a torrente client (and other things, but this is the most intensive)
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[11:52] <steve_rox> id use a torrent client on my rpi but i want some equivlent of peer block filter
[11:52] <willybilly0101> and I understood that there are colisions on the bus that might impact speed. and when I access the data from other computers I will use NFS
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[11:52] <willybilly0101> steve_rox, iptables?
[11:53] <steve_rox> i dunno but peerblock downloads ip databases auto and blocks em
[11:54] <willybilly0101> downloads from where?
[11:54] <linuxstb> steve_rox: So how do you use that feature now? On Windows?
[11:55] <steve_rox> a prog called peer block on win32
[11:55] <steve_rox> alough win64 if you wanna get technical
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[11:55] <steve_rox> used to filter out black listed ip addresses etc
[11:55] <linuxstb> And there's no linux equivalent? So that's just something that runs at the OS level, blocking IPs?
[11:55] <linuxstb> (rather than in the BT client)
[11:55] <willybilly0101> but it has to be a list somewhere
[11:55] <willybilly0101> you can curl/wget it
[11:55] <willybilly0101> and implement it in a script with iptables
[11:55] <willybilly0101> run it with chron
[11:56] <steve_rox> http://list.iblocklist.com/lists
[11:56] <steve_rox> along them lines
[11:56] <tig|> iptables or hosts.deny
[11:57] <steve_rox> im sure that involves manual adding?
[11:57] <willybilly0101> Not Found
[11:57] <willybilly0101> The requested URL /lists was not found on this server.
[11:57] <willybilly0101> yes hosts.deny would work
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[11:57] <steve_rox> yeah that was not a full url to it
[11:58] <linuxstb> Sounds like something you should run on your router, if you can.
[11:58] * linuxstb would expect openwrt and friends to support it
[11:58] <willybilly0101> iptables filter is best
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[12:00] <steve_rox> http://list.iblocklist.com/lists/bluetack/edu
[12:00] <steve_rox> thats one full url
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[12:12] <gordonDrogon> why block peers? (I don't use torrent that often and am just curious)
[12:13] <steve_rox> its not just for filtering torrents as such
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[12:16] <ShorTie> peers can suck the life blood out of your connection
[12:17] <steve_rox> when i used to run a smtp/pop3 server on another pc i had everyone from russia and china trying to hack into it
[12:17] <steve_rox> they once got in and tryed to send many spam emails
[12:18] <gordonDrogon> steve_rox, I run a few dozen servers doing just that - they get probed constantly - but block lists aren't the answer to that.
[12:18] <gordonDrogon> but the torrent/peer thing - isn't it the nature to participate by allowing peers?
[12:19] <steve_rox> what if they are govement law thugs?
[12:19] <gordonDrogon> they tap the fibre - nothing to see here ...
[12:20] <Bushmills> a vpn between clients and mail server - apart from incoming tcp/25 - and binding pop/imap to vpn interface - takes away most grieve. even smtp auth becomes a snap to setup.
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[12:34] <gordonDrogon> if only I had clients that clever.
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[12:49] <Bushmills> prepack configs and certified key, and it's essentially fire and forget
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[12:51] <Bushmills> unpacking an archive with a handful of files into the vpn config directory is all what's need to automatically connect and allow to some extent further remote tweaking
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[12:52] <Bushmills> if you're client are too dumb for even *that*, i'd be worried about them having access to mail facilities
[12:53] <linuxstb> Bushmills: And if the clients access from a variety of devices?
[12:53] <Bushmills> either several keys or same key for several devices.
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[12:54] <Bushmills> i'd opt for several, sa with multiple device the chance is high that that includes mobile devices, which are prone to loss
[12:56] <linuxstb> Bushmills: No, what I meant is the hassle of supporting VPNs that will work from a variety of different OSes. If you know an easy solution to that (i.e. a VPN that works easily on Linux/Windows/OS X/iOS/Android) I would be pleased to know.
[12:57] * ozzzy is playing with mediatomb
[12:57] <Bretos> linuxstb: pptp?
[12:57] <Bretos> linuxstb: openvpn?
[12:57] <linuxstb> openvpn works on iOS now?
[12:57] <Bretos> idk, ios sucks :D
[12:57] <Bushmills> i uses openvpn with linux, android and windows clients
[12:58] <Bretos> don't even care about ios
[12:58] <Bretos> pptp should be surely supported
[12:58] <linuxstb> Bretos: Yes, because no-one uses iOS ;)
[12:58] <Bretos> though it's not completely secure...
[12:58] <linuxstb> But yes, openvpn does now seem to be on iOS.
[12:59] * linuxstb should remember to check these things occasionally
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[13:01] <linuxstb> And didn't openvpn require root on Android? Googling now, it looks like a VPN API was added in Android 4.0, but for earlier devices, I'm guessing you need root.
[13:01] <Bushmills> not any longer
[13:01] <linuxstb> Not even for pre 4.0 devices?
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[13:02] <Bushmills> 4.1 or 4.2 android has an api for von, allows rootless openvpn
[13:02] <Bushmills> vpn
[13:02] <linuxstb> Yes, I've just found that - it was introduced with API Level 14 - i.e. 4.0
[13:02] <Bushmills> before it needed root
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[13:03] <Bushmills> but, there's also no openvpn for MS/DOS
[13:03] <Bushmills> or for CP/M
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[13:04] <Bushmills> at least, not that i know
[13:05] <linuxstb> Bushmills: It's just that a couple of years ago, I failed miserably getting VPNs working from various different mobile devices. But it seems things have moved on with openvpn. Thanks for making me google ;)
[13:06] <Bushmills> i've been using openvpn for many years now, albeit mostly on and with linux machines in the past. it's working and configuration haven't changed a lot since
[13:07] <Bushmills> other users needing windows support were only added about 5 years ago. android less than a year ago, so i can't really compare those with the past
[13:08] <Bushmills> but afaik, "it's still the same"
[13:10] <Bushmills> ah, wlan routers too, but those can be counted as linux machines
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[13:13] <Joost> This is probably something that's being asked a thousand times a day, but what are the restrictions to a power supply? I have a 5V 1A power supply from a dead HTC lying around.. is that all right for a Pi?
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[13:13] <tig|> Joost: yep should do it
[13:14] <Joost> nice, that saves me 8 bucks then
[13:14] <Bushmills> may be allright there's more to a power supply than just secondary voltage and max current
[13:14] <Jck_true> Joost: 740mA is enough - Mostly problems with cheap lowgrade power supplies that doesn't live up to their specs :)
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[13:15] <nid0> a pi's psu needs to supply at least 500-700mA (depending on whether you plan to connect usb devices) but its important that the supply is a decent one that actually supplies what its meant to
[13:15] <nid0> most first-party phone manufactures' chargers should be fine though
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[13:16] <Joost> Ah, that makes sense
[13:16] <Joost> and it's a micro-usb socket, right?
[13:16] <nid0> yes
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[13:18] <caioketo> Hello there, im starting with pi, and got mine yesterday, I installed transmission-daemon to download torrent, but every time I boot it, after 10~min it just freeze, and I cant acess it anymore, all leds are blinking
[13:18] <caioketo> maybe because i'm using an 700ma power source?
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[13:19] <Jck_true> caioketo: Got a multimeter?
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[13:20] <caioketo> Jck_true: Yes
[13:20] <Jck_true> Measure between TP1 and TP2
[13:20] <caioketo> The problem is that im at work right now :P
[13:20] <Jck_true> Ensure that it's above 4.8V
[13:20] * Gethiox2 is now known as Gethiox
[13:23] <caioketo> and if it is above 4.8V, is there any other cause to freeze?
[13:23] <gordonDrogon> I've used openvpn a lot - seems fine with linux, mac and win clients.
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[13:24] <caioketo> Jck_true: I got a powered usb hub, can I use it to power the pi from the USB to test if the problem is the charger?
[13:25] <Jck_true> caioketo: Yes you can :)
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[13:26] <Jck_true> caioketo: There's a few issues with the USB stack still i fear - Be sure you're up to date - And try to unhook any usb devices you have
[13:26] <caioketo> Jck_true: Whats the issues? oO
[13:26] <Jck_true> caioketo: (AFAIK USB1.1 and USB2.0 devices used at the same time can cause problems)
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[13:27] <Jck_true> caioketo: The USB stack was originally written as a usb slave - not as a usb host...
[13:27] <Jck_true> So the host part had a few bugs - I believe most are solved now and only power remain the biggest issue
[13:28] <caioketo> Jck_true: So it probably not a good idea to use it, or I can use it just for test
[13:28] <Jck_true> caioketo: What you mean?
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[13:29] <caioketo> Jck_true: I can use it to test if my charger is trashy, but not to use it everyday, right?
[13:30] <Jck_true> caioketo: Oh you can use your USB hub as a PSU no problem :)
[13:31] <caioketo> Jck_true: Good, and with the hub, can I connect any other usb device in the hub, or it wont work properly?
[13:31] <Jck_true> It will work fine..
[13:32] <Jck_true> caioketo: The MicroUSB port on the raspberry ONLY pulls power.. no data
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[13:33] <caioketo> Jck_true: I see, so if I want others devices ill have to get another hub =;
[13:33] <caioketo> =/
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[13:33] <Jck_true> Hmm if you have a good hub you can both use the usb hub and let it provide power to your raspberry
[13:34] <Jck_true> (HUB usb port 1 -> Micro usb input on pi ) - (USB port on PI goes to usb hub)
[13:34] <caioketo> Jck_true: But then I need to disable the pi to get power from the usb, or it wont make any diference?
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[13:37] <Jck_true> caioketo: Wait - I'm all confused now :P Where were we?
[13:37] <caioketo> Jck_true: Ill try to simplify
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[13:39] <caioketo> Jck_true: The pi tries to get power from USB too, right? If I connect the power hub to the usb in the powered off pi, it will goes on, if I'm already splying power to the pi via microUSB, it will have any problem to connect the USB form the powered hub in the pi USB, or should I make the pi to dont get any power from USB anymore
[13:40] <Jck_true> :| Wait what?
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[13:41] <caioketo> Jck_true: if I connect the powered HUB to the USB in the pi, with the pi off, it will turn on, right? (getting power from the USB port)
[13:43] <Jck_true> It will yes :)
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[13:44] <caioketo> Jck_true: So, if I power the pi via microUSB, and connect the powered HUB in the USB, it sould not have problem, like overchargin the pi?
[13:45] <Jck_true> caioketo: No it shouldn't :)
[13:45] <caioketo> Jck_true: So i think im good to test it when I get home :)
[13:45] <caioketo> Jck_true: Thanks for all your answears ^^
[13:45] <Jck_true> (You're still running everything off your wall adapter)
[13:46] <Jck_true> caioketo: No worries - And check with the multimeter!
[13:46] <caioketo> Jck_true: I will ^^
[13:46] <Jck_true> Cheap microUSB cables causes voltage drops :)
[13:47] <Joost> Do you think there's a difference in performance between the Transcend class 10 16GB SD and the Platinum class 10 16 SD?
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[13:47] <Joost> the latter is cheaper, but I can't find any spec differences
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[13:48] <Phosie> Speaking of cards, the one I usually buy has gone up in price. :(
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[14:22] <[SySteM]> Hello
[14:22] <[SySteM]> is there anyone who know a tutorial to execute n64 emulation on rpi?
[14:25] <ParkerR> [SySteM], The CPU isn't really good enough for N64 emulation. It could be optimized but the work hasn't been put into it
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[14:30] <[SySteM]> Thanks ParkerR
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[14:32] <Phosie> "X11 forwarding request failed on channel 0" Any idea?
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[14:43] <Phosie> fixed it.
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[14:44] <ParkerR> Phosie, ... What fixed it?
[14:45] <Phosie> I just needed to edit the config.
[14:45] <ParkerR> That's just as bad as those 5 year old forum posts for your oddly specific problem. 1. Explanation of problem 2. Some post requesting more info 3. Post from OP saying "Fixed it" NEVER AN EXPLANANTION
[14:46] <Phosie> Well the answers are on google if people need the help.
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[14:46] <Phosie> I just said I fixed it so somebody didn't help when it was already sorted.
[14:46] <ParkerR> Not always. I've had some weird hardware that has only been mentioned in like one post
[14:47] <ParkerR> http://xkcd.com/979/
[14:48] <ParkerR> Always relevant XKCD
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[14:54] <Squarepy> :D
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[15:07] <Phosie> o/ Sean
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[15:09] <Phosie> Heya
[15:09] <Katty> hi Phosie
[15:10] <IT_Sean> o/
[15:10] * Mortvert slaps Katty around a bit with a large trout
[15:10] <Phosie> I need to find a decent browser for my pi
[15:10] * IT_Sean thumps Mortvert
[15:11] * Mortvert slaps IT_Sean around a bit with a large trout
[15:11] <ParkerR> Either midori or chromium
[15:11] <Mortvert> PhonicUK - midori
[15:11] <Bushmills> midori? xxxterm? dillo? links2?
[15:11] * IT_Sean puts Mortvert's trout in a blender and hits the Smoothie button
[15:11] <Phosie> I'll try chromium, thanks.
[15:11] <PhonicUK> tab completion is a bitch xD
[15:11] <Mortvert> i have entire pool full of those, nothing happens, IT_Sean.
[15:11] <ParkerR> Its meh
[15:11] <ParkerR> chromium is decent but you have to be patient
[15:12] <Katty> it's too early. for everything.
[15:12] <Phosie> It wont be a full time thing, just for if I want to look something up
[15:12] <Bushmills> no javascript? dillo and links2 are very fast
[15:12] <Phosie> or have it on in the background when working on something, like GPIO info.
[15:12] <Mortvert> does rpi finally have the drivers for the ribbon connector on the board?
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[15:13] <Squarepy> ParkerR, I found chromium too slow
[15:13] <pksato> Mortvert: no. now have a camera module that connected to CSI connector.
[15:14] * Katty rummages through Mortvert's kitchen looking for caffeine
[15:14] <ParkerR> Squarepy, "chromium is decent but you have to be patient" :P
[15:14] <pksato> not any camera, just for this module.
[15:14] * IT_Sean passes Katty a mug of tea
[15:14] <Squarepy> ParkerR, roger
[15:15] <Phosie> I've installed Chromium and Dillo
[15:15] <Mortvert> pksato - i thought it was for the small cellphone displays
[15:15] <IT_Sean> Mortvert: There are two ribbon connectors on the board. One is for the Foundation designed camera module, the other for the Foundation designed display module
[15:16] <Mortvert> IT_Sean - foundation designed display modules, do any exist?
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[15:16] <IT_Sean> Mortvert: Not yet.
[15:16] <Mortvert> Also, i think i heard someone got several displays working.. true?
[15:16] <IT_Sean> 's pastable
[15:16] <Mortvert> or rather, is it possible, at all?
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[15:18] <Phosie> I might get one of those little lcd screens, if I can think of something to use it for.
[15:19] <Mortvert> i want to display my pi load on one, if i can get one.
[15:19] <pksato> lots of display work connented to gpio or hdmi.
[15:19] <Mortvert> Don't want to touch GPIO, ever.
[15:19] <IT_Sean> ... why not?
[15:19] <Bushmills> some sport a server/client architecture - meaning you could display pi parameters on a display connected to a different machine
[15:19] <pksato> but, for "low" resolution.
[15:20] <Bushmills> or vice versa, of course
[15:20] <pksato> low resolution on gpio.
[15:20] <Mortvert> IT_Sean - if i mess up i won't be able to get one
[15:20] <Mortvert> new one*
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[15:20] <IT_Sean> O_o
[15:21] <Phosie> It's hard to mess it up if you're careful.
[15:21] <Bushmills> Mortvert: i'd wrap it in a anti-static bag and put it away
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[15:21] <IT_Sean> and why, dare i ask, is your raspi so "irreplacable"?
[15:23] <pksato> touch CSI/DSI connector can damange rpi too. :)
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[15:24] * IT_Sean watches Phosie get attacked by squirrels
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[15:31] <Katty> http://tinyurl.com/b5k3lt4 <- we have a hungry squirrel this morning.
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[15:34] <Bushmills> those white spots in its fur aren't bird droppings, are they?
[15:34] <Phosie> or a greedy one Katty
[15:34] <Katty> Bushmills: squirrels generally have white tips on their fur
[15:34] <Katty> Bushmills: unless you're talking about the water droplets on the window
[15:35] <Katty> Bushmills: or the crumbled up roll in on the sunflower seeds
[15:35] <Katty> Phosie: maybe both!
[15:36] <Bushmills> oops .. red car passing
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[15:36] <Bushmills> immediately went into alert mode
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[15:37] <IT_Sean> Awwwww! SQUIRREL!!!
[15:37] <Bushmills> beats lolcats
[15:37] <Phosie> I agree.
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[15:38] <IT_Sean> Katty: Is that squirrelcam being fed from a raspi?
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[15:38] <JakeSays2> Katty: hey whats the squrl again?
[15:39] <Katty> http://tinyurl.com/b5k3lt4
[15:40] <Katty> IT_Sean: define.... fed.
[15:40] <Katty> IT_Sean: i put the food out
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[15:40] <Katty> IT_Sean: pi uploads the stream
[15:40] <IT_Sean> Katty: I meant was the raspi providing the stream. :p
[15:40] <IT_Sean> You've answered the question.
[15:40] <Katty> yes.
[15:40] <IT_Sean> You using a Picam?
[15:40] <Katty> it's a logitech webcam
[15:40] <IT_Sean> Ahh.
[15:40] <Katty> which is compatible.
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[15:41] <Katty> tho a bit laggy, and crazy at times
[15:41] <IT_Sean> Good picture
[15:41] <SpeedEvil> How much can one squirrel eat?
[15:41] <Katty> ty. it's 1 minute in the past
[15:41] <IT_Sean> SpeedEvil: ALOT
[15:41] <Katty> SpeedEvil: i don't know :/
[15:41] <Katty> SpeedEvil: they'll have that entire lot cleared in 2 days
[15:41] <Phosie> Quick question, how do I start Motion on Arch?
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[15:41] <JakeSays2> Katty: whats in the bowl?
[15:41] * SpeedEvil wonders if they explode ala' Mr Gaspode.
[15:41] <Katty> JakeSays2: which bowl?
[15:41] <JakeSays2> Katty: hmm. both actually.
[15:42] <IT_Sean> SpeedEvil: they do not. They just get bloated and lie about on branches
[15:42] <SpeedEvil> Oops - Creosote
[15:42] <JakeSays2> IT_Sean: heh. thats quite the life they have.
[15:42] <IT_Sean> JakeSays2: You have NO idea.
[15:42] * IT_Sean used to have drunk squirrels in his back yard
[15:42] <Katty> JakeSays2: the small one on the left is dehydrated mealworms. they're mostly for the blue birds, tho the starlings like them as well. the large bowl on the right is peanuts. the squirrels primarily like those, however bluebirds, grackles, bluejays and others occasionally eat the peanuts too
[15:43] <JakeSays2> lol peanuts - cool
[15:43] <JakeSays2> they're shelled tho?
[15:43] <Katty> yes.
[15:43] <JakeSays2> it'd be fun to watch them de-shell the peanuts
[15:43] <Katty> yes, and also expensive.
[15:44] <JakeSays2> oh! tie some string around the peanuts in the shell and hang 'em. lol.
[15:44] <Katty> i buy peanuts, worms, sunflower seeds, and suet blocks in bulk
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[15:44] <Katty> the peanut shells would be a mess. everywhere.
[15:45] <JakeSays2> LOL yes
[15:45] <JakeSays2> but highly entertaining
[15:45] <Phosie> angry birds!
[15:45] <JakeSays2> and since we dont have to clean 'em up..
[15:46] <JakeSays2> so i was reading about that new $99/18 core board that is the size of the pi. very cool.
[15:46] <JakeSays2> i'm gonna have to get one.
[15:46] <SpeedEvil> Is that a parakeet?
[15:46] * Katty looks
[15:47] <Katty> i don't see any birds.
[15:47] <Katty> but probably not a parakeet, they're not native to this area
[15:47] <Katty> unless someone lost one.
[15:47] <SpeedEvil> Bright red head and forebody
[15:47] <Katty> what color back?
[15:47] <SpeedEvil> I diddn't see.
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[15:47] <SpeedEvil> Certainly not a chaffinch.
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[15:48] <Katty> could have been a blue bird.
[15:48] <Katty> or a cardinal
[15:48] <Bushmills> oh funny, i was just listening to the tenth chaffinch
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[15:49] <SpeedEvil> Actually - yellow beak, green or dark throat, red patch behind, brownish wings
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[15:49] <Bushmills> doing that, "chaffinch" mentioned here
[15:51] <JakeSays2> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/adapteva/parallella-a-supercomputer-for-everyone
[15:51] * JakeSays2 drools
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[15:52] <Bushmills> there are "parallel supercomputers" for everyone already.
[15:52] <JakeSays2> that board is pi^3
[15:52] <SpeedEvil> http://www.costco.co.uk/view/product/uk_catalog/cos_1,cos_1.1,cos_1.1.1/142976 - will this work with the Pi, do you think?
[15:53] <Bushmills> i'm now thinking of a 450$ dev board with 288 processor cores
[15:53] <JakeSays2> SpeedEvil: um, thats an awfully expensive tv
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[15:53] <SpeedEvil> :)
[15:54] <SpeedEvil> 12 feet!
[15:54] <Katty> oh my
[15:54] <Katty> can we hang that on my wall to display crittercam?
[15:54] <IT_Sean> O_O
[15:54] <IT_Sean> Katty: your head would explode
[15:54] <Katty> hi sean
[15:54] <Bushmills> the evb001 board: http://www.greenarraychips.com/home/products/index.html
[15:54] <Katty> IT_Sean: probably
[15:55] <Katty> tig|: i bought rolled oats to make the oaties!
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[15:55] <JakeSays2> geez the pixels on that must be huge
[15:55] <SpeedEvil> Walking into a room, and seeing a seven foot squirrel would lead anyone to suspect really good drugs.
[15:55] <Katty> tig|: thinking tomorrow morning while we're off for the independence holiday
[15:55] <Bushmills> considering that a chip with 144 cores goes for $20, that's good bang per buck
[15:55] <Katty> SpeedEvil: but it would be 300% more cute!
[15:56] <JakeSays2> Bushmills: wow. very cool.
[15:56] <Katty> i don't suppose anyone has a recipe for oatmeal drop cookies
[15:56] <Katty> the no bake kind
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[15:59] <Arbos> hey guys, beginner here, just got my pi. Just checking OS's, thinking about using Arch Linux ARM, any reason not to? Probably setting up as webserver.
[16:00] <Bushmills> Arbos: you'll get more support with raspbian
[16:00] <JakeSays2> Arbos: if you're new to linux then i would suggest using raspbian
[16:00] <FR^2> Oh no! Not Arch! Oh no! We're doomed!
[16:00] <mgottschlag> 144 18-bit cores which together provide as much processing power as the pi has :)
[16:00] <Bushmills> as more people are using it
[16:00] <Bushmills> mgottschlag: about 100 gigamips
[16:00] <Bushmills> no
[16:00] <Bushmills> giga ips
[16:00] <JakeSays2> wait.. those are 18 bit cores??
[16:01] <mgottschlag> ah, wait, indeed, that value was for one core
[16:01] <Bushmills> mgottschlag: your pi must be on steroids
[16:01] <Bushmills> if it can match that :)
[16:02] <mgottschlag> interesting, that chip has a VLIW design, only without VL :D
[16:03] <Arbos> hmm okay thanks for the advice
[16:03] <mgottschlag> I wonder what the real performance of it is, those instructions look a bit primitive.
[16:03] <Bushmills> those cpus are considered "MISC architecture"
[16:04] <Bushmills> not risc, as in reduced, but m as minimum
[16:04] <Bushmills> i worked with a predecessor of those.
[16:05] <Bushmills> it blew away everything else
[16:05] <Bushmills> (executing up to 5 instructions per clock cycle)
[16:06] <Bushmills> so even at a very modest 10 or 16 MHz you had a rather decent performance already
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[16:07] <Bushmills> in addition, they're sort of running something you could see as external microcode which directly maps to a high level language
[16:07] <Bushmills> about meaning, the high level language is the lowest execution level of the chip
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[16:08] <Bushmills> NASA used them a lot.
[16:09] <willybilly0101> does usb hdd encryption dramatically kills performance? talking about LUKS
[16:09] <willybilly0101> anyone tryed?
[16:09] <Bushmills> (large structure sizes for radiation hardened devices meaning low clock but still decent performance)
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[16:11] <mgottschlag> I would expect that the pi hasn't really enough performance for fast usb hdd encryption
[16:11] <Phosie> Arghhh, can't get my pi to stream webcam at all
[16:11] <mgottschlag> but I don't know, I never tried
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[16:11] <Bushmills> decryption should be ok. as you're more likely to read than write, performance might be bearable
[16:12] <FR^2> Phosie: I only tried mjpeg streaming. Bad performance.
[16:12] <Phosie> I used to use motion but I can't get that working
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[16:18] <Phosie> "The web page is not avaliable" ugh
[16:18] <Phosie> ugh the daemon isnt even starting
[16:19] <tortal> im no pro at micro controllers, i know how to code tho: need some ideas on what i should get if i want to set up a gaming/video/xmbc console out of a model B ?
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[16:19] <tortal> got some xbox controlers... can i make the usb recievers work for them on debian/rasbian ?
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[16:20] <SpeedEvil> tortal: Can you plug them into a normal linux box, and have them work?
[16:20] <Katty> hmm.
[16:20] <Katty> you know
[16:20] <tortal> hvant' tried, their cordless you know.. but there are those recievers -> usb to buy
[16:20] <Katty> you might just be able to do that
[16:20] <tortal> i HOPE there will be some linux driver suppport
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[16:20] <tortal> or some other usb-standrad such as keyboards
[16:20] <Katty> try it and report back!
[16:20] <Katty> would love to know
[16:21] <tortal> wow, someone MUST've connected xbox controllers here?
[16:21] <Katty> i haven't.
[16:21] <tortal> it comes down to the quesiton if those drivers are compatible.. hhm yes
[16:21] <Katty> despite loving me some xbox
[16:21] <Katty> finished fable 3 not too long ago.
[16:21] <Katty> which yse, i know, has been out forever
[16:22] <tortal> ever since i wanted to update the firmware on my romdrive i never bothered putting it back toghere.. my controllers however!
[16:22] <mgottschlag> tortal: google finds a lot of stuff for xbox controllers and linux
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[16:23] <tig|> Katty: hurrah!
[16:23] <tortal> of course.. i jsut need to know if someone actually tried connecting such recievers directly to rasbian
[16:23] <Joost> Do you guys feel that the cyntech cases have enough air ventilation for your Pi?
[16:23] <tortal> and what if they take more usb-slots than available?
[16:23] <Katty> tortal: well raspian is based on debian
[16:24] <Katty> tortal: then you get a usb hub
[16:24] <Katty> tortal: so go find out if anyone has used a controller on debian
[16:24] <tortal> when connecting to proper power. how many virtual ports would the motherboard handle
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[16:24] <Katty> tortal: there might even be a compatiblility chart somewhere. there is a chart for webcams
[16:24] <IT_Sean> "virtual ports" ?
[16:24] <mgottschlag> 256 usb connectors iirc, minus the LAN chip
[16:24] <tortal> usb ports forked by other ports
[16:24] <IT_Sean> you mean, with hubs?
[16:24] <mgottschlag> *256 usb devices
[16:25] <Katty> i think that's the hub's job
[16:25] <tortal> yeah.. nevermind
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[16:25] <tortal> im pretty sure connect 256 devices will IOerror the fuck out of raspberry
[16:25] <Katty> probably. i wouldn't recommend it
[16:25] <Katty> but a 5 port hub would probably do just peachy
[16:25] <IT_Sean> As they said, you are allowed 256 USB devices. So, subtract the ethernet adapter, and the hubs from that number, and you have the number of end devices you can have
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[16:26] <tortal> father*
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[16:27] <lx4r> Hello
[16:27] <lx4r> I just mounted an USB stick via the /etc/fstab but now I can't create files on it, only root can. How can I make the stick accessible for every user?
[16:27] <lx4r> Thanks in advance for the help
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[16:27] <Katty> you change the permissions
[16:27] <lx4r> HOw to? :-(
[16:27] <tortal> http://www.dartmouth.edu/~rc/help/faq/permissions.html
[16:28] <lx4r> I already tried some stuff
[16:28] <lx4r> I even did chmod 777 because of being devastet
[16:28] <tortal> chown to change ownership
[16:28] <FR^2> lx4r: What filesystem does that stick have? If it's FAT, you'll have to add some mount options
[16:28] <Katty> http://askubuntu.com/questions/207180/changing-permissions-in-fstab-in-order-to-allow-writing-in-windows-ntfs-partitio <- ntfs info
[16:28] <Katty> in case it is winders.
[16:29] <lx4r> FR^2: I think it is FAT. How can I find out?
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[16:29] <Katty> does ls show the filesystem?
[16:29] * Katty tries
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[16:30] <lx4r> That's my /etc/fstab: http://pastebin.com/8XEUDeW0
[16:30] <lx4r> Katty: Does it?
[16:30] <FR^2> lx4r: "mount" without params shows you all mounted filesystems, the column after "type" shows you what filesystem each mountpoint is using
[16:30] <Joost> Is anyone using a cyntech case and having his Pi become a bit warm due to the lack of airvents?
[16:31] <Joost> or are airvents unnecessary?
[16:31] <Katty> looks like blkid does
[16:31] <ladoga> something like this in fstab should work /dev/sda1 /media/usb0 auto rw,user,noauto 0 0
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[16:31] <lx4r> The type is "vfat"
[16:31] <Katty> TIL mount shows file systems.
[16:31] <Katty> woot!
[16:32] <ladoga> just check that mount dir exists, if not create it before trying to mount
[16:32] <lx4r> It exists
[16:32] <Katty> yay
[16:32] <ladoga> it will detect filesystem automatically and mount with user having read and write permission
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[16:33] * Katty really really needs a no bake cookie recipe
[16:33] <lx4r> ladoga: What? Which command? Should I remove it from /etc/fstab then?
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[16:33] <ladoga> no just modify the entry there
[16:33] <Katty> IT_Sean: i demand a no bake cookie recipe!
[16:33] <ozzzy> hey gordonDrogon... you about?
[16:33] <lx4r> Katty: What to do now? Can I set permissions for all users via the fstab?
[16:34] <Katty> lx4r: yes. please see the documentation that was linked to you earlier.
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[16:34] <ladoga> show us the line you have in /etc/fstab for the usb drive
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[16:35] <Bushmills> tortal: openelec for xbmc
[16:35] <Katty> tortal: what country is .SE?
[16:35] <ladoga> also check that partition/device name matches so you're not for example trying to mount /dev/sda if the first partition is /dev/sda1
[16:35] <lx4r> ladoga: Edited my fstab to this: /dev/sda1 /media/stick auto rw,user,noauto 0 0
[16:35] <gordonDrogon> ozzzy, hi there.
[16:35] <ozzzy> hi man....
[16:35] <lx4r> ladoga: But still doesn't work
[16:35] <tortal> so im off buying my model b. how important is a ready-made casing. if it is - which one is cool? gonna sit by the tv doing xbmc stuff and gaming
[16:35] <tig|> Katty: Sweeden iirc
[16:35] * IT_Sean sends Katty his sausage & peppers recipe instead
[16:36] <lx4r> ladoga: Did mount -a to try it out
[16:36] <tortal> tig| was right
[16:36] <ozzzy> can wiringpi use the pins set aside for SPI, I2C etc
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[16:36] <ladoga> does /media/stick exist?
[16:36] <Katty> IT_Sean: YES PLS.
[16:36] <tig|> or even Sweden
[16:36] <gordonDrogon> ozzzy, yes.
[16:36] <ozzzy> ahhh good
[16:36] <Katty> IT_Sean: /query it
[16:36] <ozzzy> I don't need either but I could use the IO =)
[16:36] <Katty> tig|: ah right. thanks.
[16:36] <Katty> tortal: i'd totally be interested in a swedish recipe.
[16:36] <Katty> tortal: hinthint. hint.
[16:36] <gordonDrogon> ozzzy, you may need to unload the spi and i2c kernel modules if they're pre-loaded, but other than that you can use all 17 pins (inc. serial) if needed.
[16:37] <Katty> ladoga: you have way more patience than i do this morning
[16:37] <IT_Sean> Katty: chicken sausage, lightly browned in a pan, sliced. place in slow cooker with: tomato sauce, slided red peppers, sliced green peppers, slided red onion, (x2) sliced jalape�o peppers. set to low. leave sit for 8 hours.
[16:37] <ladoga> and can you mount it with $ mount /dev/sda1
[16:37] <ladoga> mount will look the rest from fstab
[16:37] <Katty> IT_Sean: how much tomato sauce?
[16:37] <tortal> the only good swedish recipes are the ones not involving food
[16:37] <gordonDrogon> IT_Sean, if you're going to talk cooking, I'll talk baking ..
[16:38] * Katty likes baking
[16:38] <IT_Sean> Katty: just enough to cover everything in the slow cooker. be sure to shake it to get the air bubbles out.
[16:38] <Katty> IT_Sean: the ole tappa tappa
[16:38] <tig|> tortal: take one flat pack bookcase, add an allen key, some bolts...
[16:38] <Katty> IT_Sean: you think a regular sized 16 oz can?
[16:38] <tig|> :)
[16:38] <lx4r> ladoga: Yes, it exists
[16:38] <Katty> IT_Sean: or one of those half size 8 oz cans.
[16:38] <lx4r> ladoga: I can write files to the sick as root
[16:38] <IT_Sean> I have a 4 quart crock pot. I use 2 peppers, 2 jalapenos, and 1 onion. Takes nearly two small jars of sauce to cover it.
[16:39] <lx4r> ladoga: But I want every user to be able to do this
[16:39] <Katty> IT_Sean: wait. jars?
[16:39] <IT_Sean> jars.
[16:39] <Katty> IT_Sean: you mean like Ragu jars?
[16:39] <IT_Sean> Not ragu, 'cause that's crap, but, yeah...
[16:39] <Katty> ok right.
[16:39] <Bushmills> lx4r: then specify provilegs on the fstab line
[16:39] <Katty> yeah, ragu is awful. but everyone knows ragu
[16:39] <tortal> so, how does raspberry pi boot up first time. do i need usb? can't u just ssh everything
[16:39] <Bushmills> privileges, even
[16:39] <tortal> tig|: good idea, homebrew all the way
[16:39] <Katty> IT_Sean: 1lb of chicken sausage?
[16:39] <Katty> IT_Sean: and what do you serve it on? noodles, rice?
[16:39] <donta> tortal: You will need a screen
[16:40] <donta> and keyboard
[16:40] <lx4r> Bushmills: At the moment it looks like this: /dev/sda1 /media/stick auto rw,user,noauto 0 0
[16:40] <IT_Sean> Katty: that's the great bit, you can serve it any way you like. Over pasta, in a sandwich, in a bowl with a fork, over noodles, etc...
[16:40] <tortal> isnt there an ethernet port ?. and then ssh
[16:40] <lx4r> Bushmills: And I don't know how to specify permissions
[16:40] <donta> tortal: from there enable SSH and you're good
[16:40] <Katty> IT_Sean: righto. i think i'll go with rice. does a good job absorbing sauce
[16:40] <Bushmills> lx4r: why don't you like into the manpage?
[16:40] <IT_Sean> Could do rice as well.
[16:40] <tortal> donta: i undersstand now
[16:40] <Bushmills> i think that was suggested to you before
[16:40] * Katty adds to the To Make List
[16:41] <donta> tortal: awesome
[16:41] <IT_Sean> I made a batch last week that was DEEEELICIOUS
[16:41] <lx4r> Bushmills: I tried :-(
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[16:41] <Katty> IT_Sean: how much chicken sausage? 1lb?
[16:41] <Bushmills> your fstab line doesn't reflect that you did
[16:41] <tortal> im not buying more usb cables
[16:41] <tortal> so how should i pwoer this?
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[16:42] <IT_Sean> Katty: I buy the premade sausages in the supermarket. I think i used one package (six sausages). But, i'm only cooking for myself, so...
[16:42] <tortal> ill need an AC/DC -> USB right?
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[16:42] <IT_Sean> tortal: yeah
[16:42] <tortal> that's bad
[16:42] <tortal> 12v then ?
[16:42] <IT_Sean> NO!
[16:42] <IT_Sean> no 12v!
[16:42] <Katty> IT_Sean: oh. ok.
[16:42] <gordonDrogon> I bake for fun - and money.
[16:43] <tortal> isnt usb when dedicated 12? or still 5?
[16:43] <IT_Sean> tortal: you need a USB power supply (phone charger, or similar). 5v, minimum 1A
[16:43] <IT_Sean> tortal: USB is 5v!
[16:43] <lx4r> Bushmills: *sighs* I think I'm too stupid for this :-(
[16:43] <IT_Sean> DO NOT APPLY 12v TO THE RASPI
[16:43] <FR^2> lx4r: Unless you're planning to use several users to access that stick, add ",uid=lx4r" to the options ;)
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[16:43] <tortal> i wont.. if its comingfrom an usb i apparently wont be 12v
[16:43] <tortal> it*
[16:43] <lx4r> FR^2: Thanks , will try
[16:44] <Bushmills> lx4r: show what you tried
[16:44] <Katty> IT_Sean: this will be handy. my pepper plants and jalepeno plants are loaded. ty
[16:44] <IT_Sean> Awesome!
[16:44] <IT_Sean> Let me know how it turns out
[16:44] <Katty> will do. is it ok to blog it?
[16:44] <Katty> i will be happy to cite references
[16:44] <IT_Sean> Of course!
[16:44] <IT_Sean> Go for it
[16:44] <Katty> kk
[16:45] <Katty> tig|: i was looking for other recipes to use with rolled oats since i'd have leftovers from the oaties. i found something called butterscotch oaties. they look like butterscotch brownies.
[16:45] <tortal> does pi works with sdhc or whatever it's called.. high capacity and high performance (muight be different i dont know SD)
[16:45] <lx4r> Bushmills: /dev/sda1 /media/stick vfat users,noatim,umask=0 0 0
[16:45] * IT_Sean is going to make a batch of lemon poppy muffins tonight, he thinks.
[16:45] <lx4r> FR^2: Ok, now I have to unmount it and mount it agein, right?
[16:45] <tig|> Katty: they sound too sweet to me
[16:45] <Katty> IT_Sean: the most delicious way to fail a drug test! nomnom
[16:46] <Bushmills> umask=0 means take away any privilege from anybody
[16:46] <FR^2> lx4r: yes
[16:46] <mgottschlag> tortal: yes, but the total SD card throughput is limited
[16:46] <Bushmills> result: no permissions at all
[16:46] <Katty> tig|: they might be. idk.
[16:46] <IT_Sean> Katty: Well, thankfully, i'm not subject to monthly wee in a cup tests any longer :p
[16:46] <Katty> tig|: i want to try them tho! never had one before
[16:46] <Katty> IT_Sean: wooohooo!
[16:46] <lx4r> FR^2: sudo umount /dev/sda1
[16:46] <lx4r> umount: /media/stick: device is busy.
[16:46] <lx4r> (In some cases useful info about processes that use
[16:46] <lx4r> the device is found by lsof(8) or fuser(1))
[16:46] <mgottschlag> so with very high-end SD cards you might not achieve the speeds for which the card was rated
[16:46] <lx4r> Bushmills: What? :-(
[16:46] <Bushmills> "result: no permissions at all"
[16:46] <tortal> mgottschlag: what is then reasonable to get, looking for maximum avaialble performance
[16:47] <FR^2> lx4r: There mustn't be anything still accessing the mounted directory or its contents. Could it be you did a "cd /media/stick" or such?
[16:47] <Bushmills> that's what you specified with umask=0
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[16:47] <LaunchDirector> anyone know of any reason why my RPi can't transfer over lan faster than 2.9MB/s
[16:47] <IT_Sean> LaunchDirector: Are you accessing any USB devices @ the same time?
[16:47] <lx4r> Bushmills: I understand. Damn it, I'm too dumb :-(
[16:47] <Bushmills> you may want to read about what umask is, and how it works
[16:47] <LaunchDirector> IT_Sean: well the OS and everything except boot is on an external HDD
[16:47] <Bushmills> meaning, what effect its number have on permissions
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[16:48] <LaunchDirector> IT_Sean: but it was same story with everything on SD no USB
[16:48] <IT_Sean> LaunchDirector: that'll do it. Keep in mind the ethernet port is really a USB > Ethernet adapter on the raspi
[16:48] <IT_Sean> huh
[16:48] <mgottschlag> tortal: http://elinux.org/RPi_SD_cards#Performance has a list with some examples
[16:48] * IT_Sean shrugs, then
[16:48] <Bushmills> you use umask to *limit* privileges, not to grant them
[16:48] <IT_Sean> Katty: don't get too excited... they will be from a mix (i admit, i took a stroll down the naughty isle of the Publix last week).
[16:49] <Bushmills> restrict them, may be a better word
[16:49] <Mortvert> i wonder how well would apache+sql run on rpi
[16:49] <IT_Sean> They are usually pretty tasty, though.
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[16:49] <tortal> mgottschlag: nice, thank you
[16:49] <Katty> IT_Sean: aww :<
[16:49] <Katty> IT_Sean: y u no make fresh lemon poppyseed muffins?
[16:49] <IT_Sean> hang on... onna call
[16:49] <ripzay> woohoo.. new PC build \o/
[16:50] <ripzay> £1100 later :o
[16:51] <ripzay> funny when you compare £1100 to the cost of a raspi in terms of capabilities, makes the raspi seem even more of a bargain
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[16:51] <tortal> SanDisk Ultra SDHC it is!
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[16:51] <pumapops> how long would a Linux from Scratch type of installation take on the pi considering the speed of the processor?
[16:51] <lx4r> FR^2: Remounted it but still ...
[16:52] <LaunchDirector> IT_Sean: but still USB has more bandith than 10mbps
[16:52] <mgottschlag> pumapops: depends... with or without cross compiling? :p
[16:52] <lx4r> FR^2: pi@raspberrypi /media/stick $ touch hallo touch: cannot touch `hallo': Permission denied
[16:52] <LaunchDirector> bandwith*
[16:52] <maxinux> lx4r: must be root to write to /media/stick
[16:52] <maxinux> i.e. sudo touch
[16:52] <lx4r> maxinux: But I want every user to be able to write to it
[16:53] <FR^2> lx4r: how do your mount options look like now? ^^
[16:53] <pumapops> mgottschlag, probably cross compiling as much as possible
[16:53] <flughafen_> i bought an rpi for a media center, does anybody here use an encrypted external drive?
[16:53] <lx4r> Because I want an irc-client to put it's logs there
[16:53] <IT_Sean> Katty: 'cause i can't be bothered?
[16:53] <Katty> IT_Sean: that's a good reason.
[16:53] <maxinux> sudo mkdir /media/stick/logs;chmod 1777 /media/stick/logs
[16:53] <IT_Sean> I mean... i still need to add eggs and milk...
[16:53] <IT_Sean> and turn the oven on
[16:53] <IT_Sean> :p
[16:53] <Katty> IT_Sean: but that's not grating lemon zest
[16:53] <mgottschlag> pumapops: then it shouldn't take more time than any other LFS installation, except you also need to setup the cross compiling environment, but I've never done that :)
[16:54] <maxinux> 1777 = user a cant delete user b's logs.. but not the wisest answer for log data
[16:54] <IT_Sean> and dammit... you should be able to buy two eggs.
[16:54] <IT_Sean> I mean, really.
[16:54] <Katty> IT_Sean: >.<
[16:54] <IT_Sean> :p
[16:54] <maxinux> IT_Sean: egg's keep for a long time
[16:54] <Katty> IT_Sean: eggs are tasty!
[16:54] <IT_Sean> They are
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[16:54] <IT_Sean> i'll make omelets
[16:54] <Katty> boil em, mash em, stick em in egg drop soup!
[16:54] <ripzay> RELEVENT!
[16:54] <IT_Sean> i make delicious omelets
[16:55] <Katty> mmm omelettes
[16:55] <ripzay> https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/941393_10151944154109027_1004000141_n.jpg
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[16:55] <ripzay> this is where i get my eggs ;D
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[16:55] <ripzay> https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/922960_10151943443424027_1400899704_n.jpg
[16:55] * Bushmills had raspberries yesterday
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[16:55] <Katty> quack.
[16:55] <ripzay> i have duckies!
[16:55] <Katty> duckies don't lay year round tho
[16:55] <IT_Sean> if that photo is of the back end of a chicken, i will kick you, ripzay :p
[16:55] <ripzay> mine lay 1 egg a day
[16:55] <Katty> year round?
[16:55] <ripzay> approx 320 a year
[16:55] <IT_Sean> ducks?
[16:55] <ripzay> most of the year
[16:55] <IT_Sean> you eat duck eggs?
[16:56] <ripzay> they stop over winter
[16:56] <Katty> duck eggs are rich
[16:56] <ripzay> duck eggs are nice
[16:56] <IT_Sean> I suppose that's no odder than eating chicken eggs.
[16:56] <Katty> but but winter is when i want to bake the most!
[16:56] <gordonDrogon> where I get my eggs: https://projects.drogon.net/theyre-chickens/
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[16:56] <ripzay> they also make awesome sponge
[16:56] <ripzay> (cake)
[16:56] <Katty> IT_Sean: they're tastier than chicken eggs
[16:56] <lx4r> maxinux: Thanks a lot, you solved my problem :-)
[16:56] <IT_Sean> and, ducks are generally more adorable than chickens, so.. :p
[16:56] <Katty> YES. quack.
[16:56] <ripzay> and less smelly
[16:56] <Katty> with their little bobbing heads and waggly tail feathers.
[16:56] <ripzay> chicken shit stinks
[16:56] * IT_Sean would have a pet duck, if not for the fact that it would poo all over the apartment
[16:56] <Katty> they get /so/ excited
[16:56] <ripzay> sorrt for swear
[16:56] <ripzay> :x
[16:57] * ripzay was kicked from #raspberrypi by IT_Sean
[16:57] * IT_Sean sighs
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[16:57] <ripzay> deserved
[16:57] <ripzay> :P
[16:57] <IT_Sean> indeed.
[16:57] <Katty> IT_Sean: you should just invest in a bot
[16:57] <ripzay> i dont think he needs to, that was a pretty quick kick considering that he put a kick message on it too :P
[16:58] * IT_Sean is fast like that
[16:58] <ripzay> but yeah, ducks rock
[16:58] <Katty> and also not always around like that.
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[16:59] <Katty> IT_Sean: what kind of store is Publix?
[16:59] <IT_Sean> supermarket
[16:59] <ripzay> only had the ducks about 3 weeks
[16:59] <ripzay> and only one is laying proper eggs, the other is younger and is currently 'learning', laying eggs with no shell :P
[16:59] <Katty> IT_Sean: like dierbergs? or whole food market?
[17:00] <IT_Sean> Never 'erd of a Dierbergs
[17:00] <Katty> ripzay: do you have a pool for them to play in?
[17:00] <ripzay> yea
[17:00] <Katty> IT_Sean: it's kind of an upscale grocery store.
[17:00] <Katty> IT_Sean: proper cheese, being a defining factor
[17:00] <IT_Sean> No different to a BiLo, or a ShopRite, or an A&P
[17:00] <ripzay> they are stood next to it on both those photos Katty ;p
[17:00] <Katty> ripzay: ah, i guess my brain just skipped over it
[17:00] <ripzay> it even has a waterfall, which they love to play in ^_^
[17:01] <Katty> ripzay: my brain likes to do that sometimes
[17:01] <Katty> waterfall++
[17:01] <IT_Sean> Katty: Publix has good cheese. They distribute the Boars Head brand.
[17:01] <gordonDrogon> Ah. soft-shell eggs - chickens sometimes do that.
[17:01] <Katty> IT_Sean: do they have organic stuffs? like a lot of organic stuffs?
[17:01] <IT_Sean> It's not what i'd call 'upscale' though. It's just the local supermarket
[17:02] <gordonDrogon> they're edible if the membrane is intact, but they won't be sterile, so use them the same day.
[17:02] <Katty> ah. ok
[17:02] <IT_Sean> Not really. No. Gotta go to WholeFoods or something for that hippy trippy food.
[17:02] <LaunchDirector> IT_Sean: need to transfer 60GB from the RPi..thats why i was asking if 2.9MB/s is normal
[17:02] <ripzay> yeah, they call them "fart eggs" according to wikipedia gordonDrogon :p
[17:02] <IT_Sean> LaunchDirector: Sounds like an overnight run
[17:02] <Katty> IT_Sean: some of that hippy trippy stuff is tasty.
[17:02] <IT_Sean> Oh, i agree!
[17:02] <IT_Sean> But, expensive.
[17:02] * Katty nods sadly
[17:02] <Katty> alas, we are not made of monies.
[17:02] <ripzay> she seems to be laying them in the middle of the day though, so by the time i get home they tend do have popped the membrane
[17:02] <IT_Sean> Groceries here are expensive enough here without the "organic" label.
[17:03] <Katty> fo sho
[17:03] <ripzay> we have started buying our groceries directly from a local farm recently
[17:03] <LaunchDirector> IT_Sean: maybe they will include faster network adapters in the future
[17:03] <ripzay> it's saving us a fortune
[17:03] <gordonDrogon> I live in the middle of organic england...
[17:03] <IT_Sean> LaunchDirector: I doubt it.
[17:03] <Katty> ripzay: very nice. i'm jealous.
[17:03] <ripzay> buy meat by the half animal
[17:03] <Katty> ripzay: we've done some 5 gallon bucket gardening. but it's not a whole lot
[17:03] <ripzay> and she butchers it for us
[17:03] <IT_Sean> The bottleneck is the USB channel, not the adapter itself, LaunchDirector
[17:03] <Katty> mm fresh meats/
[17:03] <ripzay> we tried growing our own veg, but failed
[17:04] <ripzay> this year we're growing fruit instead
[17:04] <Katty> ripzay: we get a lot of bugs chewing on it
[17:04] <ripzay> it's going better
[17:04] * IT_Sean does not have a yard to put a garden in
[17:04] <Katty> IT_Sean: neither do we. 5 gallon bucks do nicely tho
[17:04] <IT_Sean> Where the heck am i going to put a load of 5 gal buckets?
[17:04] <gordonDrogon> in a months time I'm going to have more raspberries than I think I've ever had in my life...
[17:04] <LaunchDirector> IT_Sean: usb is pretty fast tough. much faster than this in any case.. not sure what its doing wrong
[17:04] <ripzay> balcony ?
[17:04] <Katty> IT_Sean: anywhere there is sunshine
[17:04] <IT_Sean> my balcony is covered, and rather small as it is.
[17:05] <Katty> ah, well that's a bummer.
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[17:05] <ripzay> there's quite a lot of balcony gardens popping up int the city near me
[17:05] <ripzay> you can fit a surprising amount of veg in a small space if you've got the sunlight
[17:06] <ripzay> we bought a second freezer so that we could do the whole bulk buying meat thing
[17:06] <Katty> ripzay: https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/944392_10100584611431177_463419762_n.jpg <- back in may
[17:06] * IT_Sean might have room for one or two buckets, and still have enough room for two small chairs and a table
[17:06] <ripzay> in 12 months it will have paid for itself
[17:06] <ripzay> that's cool Katty.. you're growing much more than we are in a much smaller space :P
[17:06] <Katty> ripzay: absolutely. we are considering getting a second freezer too. specifically for meat as well
[17:07] <Katty> ripzay: sadly, most of it died. all the broccoli. bugs ate it right up
[17:07] <ripzay> you can get organic pesticides you know ?
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[17:07] <Katty> i know.
[17:07] <Katty> i just didn't want to use pesticides period, if we could deal with it
[17:07] <ripzay> yeah
[17:07] <Katty> the green peppers and green beans are doing great. along with the basil and jalapeno
[17:07] <ripzay> we didnt but ended up having to
[17:07] <ripzay> we got razor fly
[17:08] <Katty> https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/1013482_10100634552818237_409602816_n.jpg <- jalapenos recently
[17:08] <ripzay> which would have decimated the entire garden in 2 weeks if i hadnt have got rid of them
[17:08] <ripzay> we've got a lot more bugs this year because we're doing fruit rather than veg
[17:08] <ripzay> they seem to prefer fruit.. :|
[17:09] <Katty> what kinds of fruits are you growing? all i have are strawberries
[17:09] <LaunchDirector> can anyone tell me whats the fastest they where able to transfer with over lan from the RPi?
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[17:09] <ripzay> Pear, Peach, Strawberry, Cherry, Apple, Blackberry, Gooseberry
[17:09] <ripzay> and Tomato if you want to be pedantic
[17:09] <Katty> oh wow so you're growing trees
[17:09] <ripzay> yeah, they are only small
[17:09] <LaunchDirector> maybe FTP is not the fastest way
[17:10] <Katty> apple and cherry trees can get fairly big tho
[17:10] <Katty> my mother has some
[17:10] <Bushmills> LaunchDirector: nfs is pretty fast
[17:10] <ripzay> the trees have no fruit because they are establishing roots, but the peach tree has loads of fruit on them
[17:10] * Katty could totally go for a peach cobbler
[17:10] <ripzay> i'd say at least 20 peaches, which is good considering it's only 4-5 feet tall
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[17:10] <Katty> fo sho
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[17:10] <ripzay> we're also growing rhubarb
[17:10] <Bushmills> LaunchDirector: but copying to an SD-card and inserting into pi may be faster yet
[17:10] <ripzay> the rest of our garden is herbs
[17:10] <Katty> ripzay: never cooked with that before. no idea what it tastes like
[17:10] <ripzay> oh and garlic
[17:11] <LaunchDirector> Bushmills: from RPi to another machine
[17:11] <Katty> ripzay: i'd like to try growing garlic. we go through a mess of it
[17:11] <ripzay> rhubarb is a bit love/hate, it's very sour unless you put a tonne of sugar in it
[17:11] <Bushmills> LaunchDirector: either direction
[17:11] <Katty> ripzay: ah, so like cranberries
[17:11] <ripzay> yeah
[17:11] <Bushmills> rhubarb is great on pi
[17:11] <LaunchDirector> Bushmills: i cannot unplug the usb from it
[17:11] <Bushmills> why would you want to?
[17:11] <Katty> ripzay: my grandfather was allergic to rhubarb
[17:11] <Katty> ripzay: so i might be too :/
[17:11] <LaunchDirector> Bushmills: because everything is on it
[17:12] <ripzay> garlic is very easy to grow, it's just very slow
[17:12] <ripzay> it can take the entire year to get to a full size bulb
[17:12] <Katty> gardar: i hear you have to dry it out for a few days too
[17:12] <ripzay> but if you harvest early it's really sweet and nice
[17:12] <ripzay> just small
[17:12] <Bushmills> LaunchDirector: what has "not unplugging usb" to do with file transfer over ethernet?
[17:12] <gardar> Katty: ??
[17:12] <flughafen_> i bought an rpi for a media center, does anybody here use an encrypted external drive?
[17:13] <Katty> i typoed when i auto completed. please disregard <3
[17:13] <Katty> ^- gardar
[17:13] <ripzay> you dont have to dry garlic out, you can pull it, wash it and use it immediately :p
[17:14] <ripzay> the good thing about garlic is it keeps for weeks and weeks
[17:14] <Bushmills> flughafen, i had a remote encfs volume mounted over nfs through openvpn on the pi
[17:14] <gardar> no problem
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[17:14] <Bushmills> though not in permanent use. just ad-hoc mount to retrieve some data
[17:15] <LaunchDirector> Bushmills: thanks looks like nfs is much much faster http://wdtvforum.com/main/index.php?topic=5393.0
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[17:15] <LaunchDirector> now to figure out how to use it...
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[17:16] <Bushmills> linux to linux?
[17:16] <LaunchDirector> linux to windows
[17:16] <Bushmills> because if other machine is windows, it may be a bit problematic
[17:16] <LaunchDirector> Bushmills: is there no client like filezilla? winscp? something?
[17:16] <Bushmills> windows is said to have nfs support in one of its packs, but i never heard of anybody actually using it
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[17:17] <gordonDrogon> Bushmills, not useed it with windows. the sad thing is that I used to use nfs with DOS way back in those days - somehow it got "lost" with the uptake of windows...
[17:17] <Bushmills> i also expect it to be slower than the unix counterpart
[17:18] <Bushmills> presumably, best choice for network file system with windows may be CIFS
[17:19] <LaunchDirector> cifs...how fast is that?
[17:19] <Bushmills> probably slower than nfs
[17:19] <Bushmills> half the speed, i'd estimate
[17:19] <Chetic> is it possible to log on over the gpio serial port on the first boot of raspbian?
[17:19] <LaunchDirector> i dont understand why there isnt an easy way of doing it
[17:19] <LaunchDirector> if NFS is the fastest. id expect it to be popular
[17:20] <Bushmills> well, not everybody understand microsoft's motives
[17:20] <LaunchDirector> Bushmills: its not about microsoft, im talking about app support
[17:20] <Bushmills> non-windows systems have nfs support
[17:20] <Bushmills> so it is about microsoft
[17:20] <ripzay> i dont like NFS
[17:21] <LaunchDirector> cant i just like... install a NFS flie client
[17:21] <LaunchDirector> file*
[17:21] <ripzay> because (as far as i know) there's no way to get it to follow symbolic links
[17:21] <ripzay> which for my circumstances is vital
[17:21] <ripzay> so i'm stuck on samba :(
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[17:21] <Bushmills> ripzay: that's be too easy to circumvent security, by just pointing a symlink somewhere to?
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[17:22] <ripzay> dunno
[17:22] <Bushmills> problem may be with absolute links. relative links should be fine
[17:22] * Katty debates knitting or reading the next novel int he series
[17:22] <Bushmills> (provided the target is what you have permissions to access to)
[17:22] <ripzay> i mean symbolic links to files / directories that are outside of the scope of the shared directory)
[17:23] <Bushmills> that's be a massive security breach
[17:23] <ripzay> the way my NAS works is everything in the actual shared directory is a symbolic link to a copy of the file on one or more physical disks
[17:23] <ripzay> if a physical disk dies, it moves the symbolic link to one of the other copies on another disk
[17:23] <Bushmills> just pointing to none-shared locations in order to access them ... isn't there a reason why they aren't shared?
[17:23] * Katty wonders if a raspberry pi would make a good thin client
[17:24] <ripzay> the way the NAS works is a VFS plugin in samba
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[17:24] <ripzay> when a file gets put on the samba share, it moves it onto multiple drives and creates the symlink
[17:24] <Bushmills> hm. the disks dying here just die, they don't move around anything before they do
[17:24] <ripzay> if you put the file directly on one of the drives, the daemon isn't aware of its existence
[17:25] <ripzay> the disk doesnt do any moving Bushmills
[17:25] <ripzay> the daemon does it
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[17:25] <Bushmills> (17:23:32) ripzay: if a physical disk dies, it moves the symbolic link to one of the other copies on another disk
[17:25] <ripzay> it's called greyhole
[17:25] <Bushmills> just referring to what you said
[17:25] <ripzay> ah
[17:25] <ripzay> by 'it', i meant the NAS
[17:25] <ripzay> not the disk
[17:25] <ripzay> :P
[17:25] <Bushmills> no RAID NAS?
[17:25] <LaunchDirector> i think i found a guide http://sagehacks.wordpress.com/2009/01/21/howto-mount-nfs-shares-under-windows-7/
[17:25] <ripzay> correct
[17:25] <Bushmills> no need to move anything with those
[17:25] <LaunchDirector> but its to advanced for me
[17:26] <ripzay> i can put any size or type of disk into the storage pool
[17:26] <LaunchDirector> dont know how to do the export thing
[17:26] <Bushmills> seems that "NAS" doesn't equal "NAS"
[17:26] <ripzay> and it just presents one massive samba share
[17:26] <ripzay> it's a JBOD implementation
[17:26] <ripzay> as opposed to RAID
[17:26] <Bushmills> LaunchDirector: man exports
[17:27] <Katty> has anyone used a pi as a thinclient? would be interested in some feedback
[17:27] <Bushmills> Katty: i had the pi working as an X terminal. which is sort of using it as thin client
[17:27] <ripzay> i have 2 1TB drives, 2 2TB drives and 1 3TB drive in the system and it just presents me with a number of shares, the daemon decides which disk or disks to put copies of the files on depending on what level of redundancy each share is set to
[17:28] <Bushmills> but, otoh, i also used a 33 MHz 386 with 8 MiB RAM for that purpose
[17:28] <Bushmills> either works
[17:28] <Katty> i was thinking more like rdp/vnc
[17:28] <Katty> for winders.
[17:28] <ripzay> so my media share has a redundancy of 2, so it puts one copy of one drive, and one copy on another drive, and symlinks the copy on the first drive into the samba share, if the first drive dies, it changes the symlink to the copy on the second drive
[17:29] <ripzay> and then creates another copy on one of the other disks
[17:29] <Bushmills> sorry, only very limited windows exposure here
[17:29] <tig|> ripzay: blimey that sounds a bit complex considering it could just mirror it with raid
[17:29] <ripzay> http://www.greyhole.net/ <- for anyone interested
[17:29] <ripzay> tig|.. the point is the fact that i can put any size of drive in
[17:29] <Katty> Bushmills: have you used a pi to rdp into another linux box?
[17:29] <ripzay> from any manufacturer
[17:30] <Katty> Bushmills: or vnc.
[17:30] <ripzay> connected by any method
[17:30] <Katty> Bushmills: not ssh
[17:30] <ripzay> USB, SATA, PATA, PCI-E, it doesnt matter
[17:30] <ripzay> it just.. works
[17:30] <Bushmills> you don't really need ssh for an Xterminal. there's a protocol for logging into remote X sessions without ssh
[17:30] <ripzay> doesnt rely on a picky cheap RAID controller
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[17:30] <Bushmills> xdmcp it is called
[17:30] <Katty> hmm.
[17:31] <Bushmills> ssh is more for the ad-hoc connecting and running remote xclients
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[17:31] <Katty> good to know, even if that doesn't really tell me what kind of resources rdp/vnc would hog
[17:31] <ripzay> check that link out tig|, The diagram on the homepage explains it much better than me :D
[17:31] <Katty> Bushmills: well i know that ssh didn't take much.
[17:31] <Katty> Bushmills: i have that setup with crittercam. and ssh keys, cause i'm lazy
[17:31] <ripzay> it's also free, which makes it much cheaper than a decent RAID controller :P
[17:32] <Bushmills> it has its uses, definitely. but thin clients working as X terminals don't need it.
[17:32] <Katty> yeah.
[17:32] <Katty> makes sense.
[17:32] <Katty> maybe i'll just try it out and see what happens.
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[17:32] <ripzay> i tried to get remote X to work through putty once
[17:32] <ripzay> i failed
[17:33] <ripzay> and gave up
[17:33] <ripzay> :D
[17:33] <Bushmills> one setup i put together used 64 diskless clients, all booting and running from the same server, no ssh involved.
[17:33] <Bushmills> but those weren't raspberry pis
[17:33] <Bushmills> was before raspberry time
[17:34] <IT_Sean> PRpT? Pre Raspi Time?
[17:34] <Katty> you hipster
[17:34] <tig|> ripzay: looks interesting but still seems a bit heath robinson
[17:34] <IT_Sean> O_O
[17:34] <Bushmills> yes. year x ante rasp
[17:34] * Katty idly wonders if the dinosaurus liked raspberries
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[17:34] <Bushmills> at that time, raspberries may have liked dinosaurs
[17:35] <Katty> can you just picture a dinosaur with raspberry juice all over it's face
[17:35] <Katty> it'd be so cute
[17:35] * tig| is picturing a t-rex
[17:35] <Bushmills> you'd have to label it "this is only raspberry juice"
[17:36] <Katty> yeaaaah right lol
[17:36] <Bushmills> maybe let dinosaur wear a blue ribbon
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[17:37] <tig|> I don't think t-rexes ate raspberries, as if they got a seeds stuck in their teeth they would not have been able to get them out with their tiny arms :P
[17:37] <SirSkidmore> any idea why this: http://hastebin.com/qikajuyiwa.cpp wouldn't be reading properly from the mailbox?
[17:37] <Katty> i don't think they'd have to worry about raspberry seeds
[17:37] <IT_Sean> That, and they weren't pansy vegetarians.
[17:37] <Bushmills> that's why they also ate red meat
[17:37] <Katty> maybe like a femur or something
[17:38] <Bushmills> they could wash and rinse their mouth with blood
[17:38] <tig|> IT_Sean: I am sure it was the seed thing really :)
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[17:38] <Bushmills> without it really showing as the juice was resembling the raspberry colour so much
[17:38] <Katty> let's clone one and find out!
[17:38] <chithead> there was no red meat during dinosaur time
[17:38] <Katty> there were mammals.
[17:38] <Bushmills> mammals were small but existant
[17:39] <Bushmills> rodent size
[17:39] <Katty> that makes me wonder...i bet chithead is right. dinosaurus were white meat like birds.
[17:39] <IT_Sean> probably
[17:39] <Katty> the had feathers. (do reptiles have white meat?)
[17:39] <chithead> actually dinosaurs are the ancestors of birds
[17:39] <gordonDrogon> birds are still dinos :)
[17:39] <Katty> not all dinos! but i'd say a lot sure are.
[17:40] <tig|> therefore the UK house of lords are actually penguins
[17:40] <Katty> some of them evolved into alligators.
[17:40] <Katty> also, other assorted sea creatures
[17:40] <Katty> i wonder if whales were bigger back then
[17:40] <Katty> or what monsterious skeletons lie under the sea bed.
[17:40] <Katty> we found a trex on land. can you even IMAGINE how big they may have been in the ocean?
[17:41] <Bushmills> sounds like "humans are still eukaryotes"
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[17:41] <pbccw> i was just playing with my pi, and needed to restart it. so i ussed a shutdown -r now. The unit shutdown, and did not reboot. I pulled the power cable, and plugged the power back in, and now the unit will not power on. no ACT light. just he red PWR light. Any thoughts>?
[17:42] <gordonDrogon> DinoChick: http://moor.drogon.net/dump/ginger2.jpg (zoom in ;-)
[17:42] <tig|> well, we have found massive seadwelling dinosaurs on land because it used to be under the sea at the time
[17:42] <Katty> tig|: yeah but i mean the deep deep sea.
[17:42] <Bushmills> you can find fossile sea shells in the mountains
[17:42] <Katty> tig|: it's been under water since pangea
[17:43] <Katty> tig|: maybe there was something as big as the blue whale! or BIGGER!
[17:43] <gordonDrogon> pbccw, unplug it - check the SD card, count to 30 and plug it in again...
[17:43] <tig|> Katty: I think we would be unlikely to find stuff down there due to the conditions not being conducive to preservation
[17:44] <Katty> tig|: yeah you're probably right :/
[17:44] <Bushmills> largest living single organism today is afaik a fungus with its mycel spread out rather widely underneath surface of earth
[17:44] <tig|> Katty: it is still possible that there are monsterous still out there today
[17:45] <tig|> they only have limited footage of some giant squids for example
[17:45] <gordonDrogon> Nessie lives :)
[17:45] <Katty> and there was the bloop!
[17:45] <Katty> they determined the bloop was a living organism of some sort
[17:46] <Katty> we are so wildly different from whales....or even spiders. can you imagine what aliens might look like?
[17:46] <tig|> Katty: really I thought the money was on a seizmic event causing a landslide or something
[17:46] <Katty> all these sci fi movies where the aliens are somehow humanoid looking. pfff
[17:47] <Katty> tig|: go read the wikipedia article
[17:47] <ShadowJK> There's also this large forest in the US, the trees are a sinlge interconnected organism
[17:47] <Bushmills> about three square miles of size does that organsim measure
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[17:47] <Katty> tig|: "while the audio profile of the bloop does resemble that of a living creature, the source is a mystery both because it is different from known sounds and because it was several times louder than the loudest recorded animal the blue whale
[17:48] <Katty> ShadowJK: i think those are redwoods
[17:48] <Bushmills> Armillaria Ostoyae, oregon
[17:50] <Katty> blue whales are monsteriously huge. i hope to get up close and personal with one someday
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[17:50] <Bushmills> 3.5 miles long. 2200 acres. just looked it up
[17:51] <Katty> the trees?
[17:51] <Bushmills> the mushroom
[17:51] <Katty> oh, right.
[17:51] <Bushmills> largest known organism
[17:52] <vtoms> ok to ask dev questions in here?
[17:52] <Bushmills> imagine what an omelett one could make from that
[17:52] <IT_Sean> O_O
[17:52] <IT_Sean> NO FUNGUS!
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[17:54] <pbccw> gordonDrogon, did as you instructed me to. Now the power light comes on, the ACT light is solid green, and nothing is displaying on my LCD using HDMI
[17:55] <ripzay> just to throw a spanner in the works on the previous topic of discussion
[17:55] * Bushmills prefers mushroom over whale in his omelett
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[17:55] <ripzay> "there was no red meat because dinosours are descendants of birds"
[17:55] * Katty wonders what would happen if you tried to check a tree for 'brainwaves'
[17:56] <ripzay> there are birds with red meat
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[17:56] <ripzay> ostrich for instance is red meat
[17:56] <ripzay> </spanner>
[17:56] <ripzay> it is also tasty
[17:56] <ripzay> </asside>
[17:56] <ripzay> :p
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[17:56] <Bushmills> other way around
[17:56] <ripzay> err
[17:56] <ripzay> yeah
[17:56] <ripzay> other way around
[17:56] <ripzay> :P
[17:57] <Katty> i also wonder what the earth would look like through the eyes of a hummingbird.
[17:57] <Katty> they can see more colors than we can
[17:57] <ripzay> gyroscopically stable, Katty ? :D
[17:57] <IT_Sean> my first thought would be "really weird"
[17:57] <Katty> ripzay: i sure hope so!
[17:57] <Bushmills> hehe
[17:57] <Bushmills> ever charming
[17:58] <ripzay> Katty, what mind altering substance are you on when you wonder these strange things ? :D
[17:58] <Majost> Does anyone know is there is some added step to using the 2013-05-25-wheezy-raspbian.img with qemu? When I attempt to boot the image, I get the error: "NOTICE: the software on this Raspberry Pi has not been fully configured. Please run 'sudo raspi-config'" -- and the same when I try to login, only it logs me out after the message appears
[17:58] <Katty> ripzay: i'm just a curious sort of person
[17:58] <ripzay> i have to say that dinosours eating raspberries and how hmmingbirds view the world aren't things my mind has even considered thinking about
[17:58] <ripzay> :D
[17:59] <Katty> then mayhaps you should wonder more often
[17:59] <ripzay> maybe you're right
[17:59] <Katty> did you hear they've made a contact that increases your 'zoom vision' x3
[17:59] <Katty> can you even imagine what that would look like?!
[17:59] <ripzay> yeah
[17:59] <ripzay> painful
[17:59] <ripzay> you'd be walking into stuff
[18:00] <Katty> i think my brain might asplode
[18:00] <Katty> ripzay: no, you can still focus your eyes
[18:00] <Katty> i really wanna see what it looks like
[18:00] <ripzay> it would still screw with your depth perception
[18:00] <ripzay> ever tried walking with binoculars on your eyes ?
[18:00] <ripzay> :P
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[18:01] <ripzay> i'd be surprised if you survived the first hour of wearing 3x zoom contacts without a concussion
[18:01] <Katty> no, i haven't. but i can imagine
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[18:01] <Katty> ripzay: who knows! i still wanna see
[18:02] <ripzay> i imagine it would also completely screw with your peripheral vision
[18:02] <Bushmills> field of vision is rather narrow with binoculars. is probably much wider with contact lenses
[18:02] <ripzay> which while you dont notice it in every day life, is a very important aspect of our sight!
[18:02] <Katty> i also want gill implants.
[18:03] <ripzay> how about fisheye contacts
[18:03] <ripzay> that would be interesting
[18:03] <pbccw> gordonDrogon, i pulled the SD card, reimaged it, and plugged it back in. Back tot he no ACT lgiths.. Odd.
[18:03] <Katty> they've done permeable membranes in mice. the mice survived a full week under water.
[18:03] <Katty> noting planned for humans tho
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[18:04] <ripzay> there's plenty enough oxygen in water for us to survive on
[18:04] <IT_Sean> Yeah, but, it's all full of fish farts! :/
[18:04] <ripzay> and our organs and red blood cells are perfectly capable of extracting the oxygen from water
[18:04] <Katty> we'd also have to address dehydration, hypthermia
[18:04] <Katty> finding food
[18:04] <Katty> it wouldn't be a perminent thing, but having gills sure would be nice. oh and water pressure. that's a big problem
[18:04] <Majost> So no one has any suggestions for my qemu issue, eh?
[18:05] <ripzay> kevin costner managed it in waterworld Katty
[18:05] <ripzay> and that was post a apocalyptic world
[18:05] <Katty> it's also a movie
[18:05] <Katty> goofball
[18:05] <ripzay> i'm sure you'd be fine now
[18:05] <ripzay> LIES!
[18:05] <Katty> ehehehehe
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[18:05] <Bushmills> Majost: don't you think you're a bit off-topic, with your technical raspberry pi question :P
[18:05] <IT_Sean> heh
[18:06] <Majost> Bushmills: so it seems
[18:06] <Majost> heh
[18:06] <Katty> Majost: you could ask again, you know.
[18:06] <ripzay> well. i'd love to continue our gill endowed person with zoom fisheye hummingbird vision
[18:06] <ripzay> but.. it is after 5pm
[18:06] <ripzay> and i can now go home from work
[18:06] <Majost> Is there is some added step to using the 2013-05-25-wheezy-raspbian.img with qemu? When I attempt to boot the image, I get the error: "NOTICE: the software on this Raspberry Pi has not been fully configured. Please run 'sudo raspi-config'" -- and the same when I try to login, only it logs me out after the message appears
[18:06] <Katty> ripzay: YAY! scoot!
[18:06] <ripzay> so.. catch you later! :P
[18:06] <Katty> buhbye
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[18:08] <Majost> I am using this as my guide: http://xecdesign.com/qemu-emulating-raspberry-pi-the-easy-way/
[18:08] <Majost> just substituting the image for the current version
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[18:16] * Katty noms pork chop and rice
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[18:18] <Bushmills> assembling me a broccoli mushroom sweetcorn cream pancake
[18:19] <Bushmills> with loads of turmeric :)
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[18:21] <Katty> mmm i do like tumeric
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[18:21] <Katty> and sweet hungarian paprika
[18:23] <Bushmills> i prefer more pungent spicyness. chili, ginger, that direction
[18:23] <Katty> wellll. time to read me thinks!
[18:23] <Phosie> Take care Katty
[18:23] <Katty> Bushmills: ah right, my preference goes the other way!
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[18:23] <Katty> Bushmills: cumin, marsala, chili powder
[18:24] <Katty> anyway. i'll be in my book if anyone needs me.
[18:24] <Bushmills> indian style is fine with me
[18:24] <Bushmills> though i'm more inclined towards thai
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[18:30] <pagios> HELLO, ANYONE USING AN EASYCAP?
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[18:32] * ripzay pokes andatche with a bit-tech
[18:32] <ripzay> ¬_¬
[18:32] <andatche> 'lo :)
[18:32] <ripzay> :P
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[18:39] <Phosie> Try the caps key pagios
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[18:41] <gordonDrogon> pbccw, been AFK - are you sorted now? Check the elinux wiki for LED codes, but solid green is reading the SD card IIRC.
[18:42] <pbccw> thanks gordonDrogon
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[18:53] <Phosie> wb
[18:54] <IT_Sean> tks!
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[18:56] <pbccw> gordonDrogon, i reformatted the SD card, and then reimaged it with the OS image. Had the unit unplugged for 30 minutes or so, and now it is booting. thanks
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[18:59] <gordonDrogon> pbccw, the unplugging thing is just in-case the polyfuse had tripped - my experience is that they self-reset in a few seconds.
[18:59] <gordonDrogon> (which is why I just said to count to 30 ;-)
[18:59] <gordonDrogon> sounds like the SD card might have become corrupted though.
[19:00] <Phosie> They only tend to take a while if they've had a hefty whack
[19:00] <gordonDrogon> however do check things like your power supply - is it overheating, etc.
[19:01] * IT_Sean wires alternate GPIO pins on Phosie's raspi to mains voltage, and watches it go "POOMPF!"
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[19:02] <north> hello all.
[19:02] <north> I've just flashed raspian on my SD card
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[19:03] <north> I have to access internet via proxy. I have changed the proxy settings in wgetrc
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[19:03] <sfan5> hello
[19:04] <north> but when I try to create the apt.conf file in /etc/apt/
[19:04] <north> I am unable to update/install the softwares from terminal
[19:04] <north> any help will be appreciable.
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[19:04] <sfan5> can I use multiboot with my Raspberry Pi without using this thing called "Berryboot"?
[19:04] <north> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=48882&p=381547#p381547
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[19:04] <gordonDrogon> edit /etc/apt/apt.conf and put in it something like: Acquire::http::Proxy "http://192.168.254.1:3128/";
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[19:04] <gordonDrogon> where 192.168.254.1:3128 are your proxy details.
[19:04] <north> please have a look at the link, I have posted on RPi forums
[19:05] <north> Yes. I have done that
[19:05] <gordonDrogon> that looks more like a DNS issue.
[19:05] <north> but gordonDrogon I'm unable to install/update softwares fromterminal
[19:05] <gordonDrogon> can you ping mirrordirector.raspbian.org
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[19:05] <north> please have a look at the link. You can find the complete error, gordonDrogon
[19:05] <north> yea gimme a sec
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[19:06] <Bushmills> better try host mirrordirector.raspbian.org - pinging may fail while dns resolving doesn't
[19:07] <north> it says host command not found Bushmills
[19:07] <Bushmills> umpf
[19:08] <gordonDrogon> host is included as standard under Raspbian.
[19:09] <north> my guess is this apt.conf must be placed in apt.conf.d
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[19:09] <north> or did I create the file in correct directory ?
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[19:09] <north> I'm so desparate to run the updates and install few packages...
[19:09] <north> cuz
[19:09] <Bushmills> have you determined yet whether dns resolution works?
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[19:10] <north> when I ping google DNS (8.8.8.8)
[19:10] <north> it pings properly
[19:10] <north> DNS resolution ?
[19:11] <gordonDrogon> do you have namservers 8.8.8.8 in /etc/resolv.conf then?
[19:11] <Bushmills> well, then icmp works. but that doesn't say whether dns resolution works
[19:11] <gordonDrogon> (although that might have been written by the dhcp service)
[19:12] <north> how do I check if DNS resolution works ?
[19:12] <north> by the way... I placed the apt.conf file in /etc/apt/
[19:12] <north> is it the correct location ?
[19:12] <Bushmills> on #dns you'd be told "use dig" but as you'd first need to install it, that's not really on option now
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[19:12] <Bushmills> why you don't have the host utility i have no explanation for
[19:13] <north> um... I am stuck here since almost 7 hours...
[19:13] <north> tried creating the 99proxy file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d
[19:13] <north> but in vain
[19:13] <north> browser works fine though
[19:14] <north> should I flash my SD card again ?
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[19:14] <gordonDrogon> no - hang on.
[19:15] <gordonDrogon> if the broeser works fine, then I presume you've put some proxy details in there?
[19:15] <north> yep
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[19:15] <north> gordonDrogon:
[19:15] <gordonDrogon> so putting those details into /etc/apt/apt.conf ought to "just work".
[19:16] <gordonDrogon> in the format: Acquire::http::Proxy "http://192.168.254.1:3128/";
[19:16] <gordonDrogon> that's exactly what I have in /etc/apt/apt.conf in my Pi's.
[19:16] <north> yes. but if it worked, then I would have been sitting having a coke...
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[19:16] <gordonDrogon> ok - lets look at the /etc/apt/sources.list file.
[19:17] <gordonDrogon> I'm a bad Pi user and don't use the mirrordirector system....
[19:17] <gordonDrogon> So I have just one line: deb http://archive.raspbian.org/raspbian/ wheezy main contrib non-free rpi
[19:17] <gordonDrogon> that goes to bytemarks servers in the UK. I'm in the UK, so it's fine for me.
[19:17] <north> deb http://mirrordirector.raspian.org/raspian/wheezy main contrib non-free rpi
[19:18] <gordonDrogon> since there very probably isn't a server in your country, you might want to give that a go too.
[19:18] <north> this is what is there is /etc/apt/source
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[19:18] <gordonDrogon> swap it for what I use and see if that helps...
[19:19] <north> gimme a sec gordonDrogon
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[19:19] <north> doesn't work
[19:19] <north> I mean even after swapping those line
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[19:19] <north> s
[19:20] <gordonDrogon> well don't know what now.
[19:20] <gordonDrogon> it's possible your ISP is blocking it, but really hard to know for sure.
[19:20] <gordonDrogon> web browsing works, but automated wget isn't.
[19:21] <north> I edited the wgetrc
[19:21] <north> file too
[19:21] <gordonDrogon> I've never touched that.
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[19:21] <gordonDrogon> normally don't need to for apt-get as it uses the proxy information in /etc/apt/...
[19:21] <north> um... I edit it almost once in a day on my Ubuntu laptop
[19:21] <Bushmills> for the missing host, you could look at output of dpkg -l bind9-host
[19:21] <gordonDrogon> why do you edit that file daily?
[19:22] <gordonDrogon> does the proxy change daily?
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[19:22] <Bushmills> maybe laptop moves?
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[19:22] <north> cuz... we have 5 servers in our univ and everytime I need to install/update software(I mean everytime I change the proxy settings, I change the wgetrc),
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[19:23] <north> we have diff user and passwords for different proxy
[19:23] <north> :p
[19:23] <north> hehe
[19:23] <gordonDrogon> well the Pi ought to be no different from ubuntu on the laptop.
[19:23] <north> :-D
[19:23] <gordonDrogon> passwords?
[19:23] <north> yea... exactly
[19:23] <gordonDrogon> bizarre.
[19:24] <gordonDrogon> I guess it's the university you're in them - making life hard.
[19:24] <north> yea... when one server is down we use our Prof.s usr and password
[19:24] <north> thats our inside life ofc
[19:25] <north> but problemo is how to get around this proxy problem
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[19:27] <north> ?
[19:27] <north> gordonDrogon:
[19:27] <north> Bushmills:
[19:27] <north> ?
[19:28] <Bushmills> you oughtn't have a problem with that config. that may indicate that there's another problem
[19:28] <acovrig> What is the maximum voltage I should use for the pi? (presuming I'm using a hungry wifi adapter) - my batteries are at 5.64V...
[19:28] <IT_Sean> thats too much!
[19:28] <IT_Sean> you want 5v
[19:28] <Bushmills> 5.25 v
[19:28] <IT_Sean> the acceptable range is 4.75 to 5.25
[19:29] <Bushmills> batteries?
[19:29] <Bushmills> what kind of?
[19:29] <north> yea... thats another thing... what sorta battery can I use to power up Raspberry Pi ?
[19:29] <acovrig> rechargeable, with standard, I get ~6V...
[19:29] <IT_Sean> you can use any sort you want... you just have to regulate the voltage to 5v
[19:30] <Bushmills> north: so called powerbanks are ok
[19:30] <north> ok.
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[19:30] <acovrig> I was thinking about http://www.adafruit.com/products/1065 would that be good for this?
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[19:31] <mgottschlag> acovrig: yes, but a) expensive and b) needs a higher input voltage
[19:31] <gordonDrogon> north, I have no more suggestions... other than to double-check you're using the same config as on your ubuntu laptop.. (or move somewhere with no proxys, etc.)
[19:31] <north> hmmm... gordonDrogon
[19:31] <acovrig> mgottschlag: what do you suggest I do to use these batteries with my pi?
[19:32] <mgottschlag> you can either use different batteries with a higher total voltage, or you need a buck-boost converter
[19:32] <SpeedEvil> acovrig: Batteries are _not_ 'at 5.64V
[19:32] <north> btw is there something like network settings in preferences ?
[19:32] <SpeedEvil> acovrig: They will vary significantly depending on state of charge
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[19:32] <Bushmills> acovrig: 4 NiMH cells?
[19:32] <north> I don't see one in Raspian ?
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[19:32] <north> @ gordonDrogon
[19:33] <SpeedEvil> acovrig: Assuming that's 4 AA cells - they will vary from about that, to about 3.6 when 'flat'.
[19:34] <mgottschlag> acovrig: http://www.ebay.com/itm/DC-Converter-Buck-Boost-Step-Up-Step-Down-Voltage-Regulator-3-35V-to-1-25-30V-2A-/390615735717?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5af2831da5
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[19:34] <mgottschlag> also, check the maximum current you get from those AA cells, it is rather common that the voltage drops significantly at 500mA or more
[19:35] <SpeedEvil> If rechargable AA cells, you also need some sort of undervoltage cutoff to avoid damaging them, and some form of charger
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[19:37] <gordonDrogon> north, I don't know what preferences you have (or what/where they are). I keep things as simple as possible myself - I only have a proxy in apt.conf because I run a local cache that saves me time & bandwidth when I update 5 Pi's at once ...
[19:37] <acovrig> yes, I am using 4 AA and I'm getting 5.64 by my voltage meter ATM (charged this morning - with a charger designed for them
[19:38] <SpeedEvil> acovrig: And as soon as you put a load on them, they will drop in voltage.
[19:39] <SpeedEvil> acovrig: They will drop to 4.75V (the Pi minimum) at about 90% of charge
[19:39] <Bushmills> and not long after that, they will have dropped even more
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[19:40] <Bushmills> that's after estimated 15 to 20 minutes
[19:41] <acovrig> What would you recommend for portable power?
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[19:42] <Bushmills> a powerbank with good regulation
[19:43] * IT_Sean points acovrig to a diesel generator, about the size of a small van, sitting in the back lot
[19:43] <gordonDrogon> I have run a Pi of 6xAAs in the past.
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[19:43] <gordonDrogon> it worked quite well - powered a couple of motors too.
[19:43] <gordonDrogon> for a couple of hours.
[19:43] <gordonDrogon> might have been longer if I'd used something better than a 7805, but hey it was fun.
[19:43] <gordonDrogon> the motors were 9v ones.
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[19:46] <acovrig> gordonDrogon: for the 6 AAs, did you use something like what mgottschlag mentioned above or something else to regulate the voltage?
[19:46] <Bushmills> not a good reader, are we?
[19:46] <gordonDrogon> acovrig, I used a 7805
[19:46] * Katty looks up from her novel
[19:47] * Katty makes faces at IT_Sean
[19:47] * Katty goes back to reading
[19:47] <gordonDrogon> only because I'd run out of: http://uk.farnell.com/xp-power/sr10s05/switching-regulator-5v-1a-o-p/dp/1861095?Ntt=sr10s05
[19:47] * IT_Sean puts a bunny on Katty's head, then goes back to working
[19:47] <acovrig> I see, I thought you was talking about the motors
[19:48] <gordonDrogon> the motors are 9v, so I needed a 9v supply for them. I also needed a 5v supply for the Pi..
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[19:48] <gordonDrogon> https://projects.drogon.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/pitrak8.jpg is the board I put together for a little project (ongoing)
[19:48] <gordonDrogon> spot the 7805 ... :)
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[19:51] <baga> Hi, do you guys have any suggestions on how to stream video from a USB webcam connected to the Pi to a remote server, who will then share the stream online?
[19:52] <acovrig> gordonDrogon: I see, that pic is quite helpful, I am *new* to all this, how would I connect the 7805?
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[19:53] <Bushmills> baga: i'd look at ices2 whether you can get your cam input through that client to a remote icecast server
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[19:54] <gordonDrogon> acovrig, you connect 9v to the input pin, 0v to the 0v pin and the 5v output pin to the Pi.
[19:55] <gordonDrogon> in theory you also need some decoupling capacitors, but you can get away without them if you're lazy.
[19:55] <gordonDrogon> but they help.
[19:55] <gordonDrogon> see e.g. http://stuff.nekhbet.ro/2006/06/18/how-to-build-a-5v-regulator-using-78l05-7805.html
[19:55] <baga> Bushmills, I tried compiling icecast2.4-beta3 on ubuntu 12.04, but never got it to compile properly
[19:56] <Bushmills> no need to compile. you can install the binary
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[19:56] <Bushmills> though i'm not sure whether ices2 is purely audio, or video too
[19:56] <Bushmills> i forgot which client is was using for video then
[19:56] <Bushmills> i was ..
[19:57] <Bushmills> oggfwd seems audio and video
[19:57] <baga> you mean install from the repos? ubuntu repos have version 2.3.2
[19:57] <Bushmills> well, what's the alternative if you can't compile it?
[19:58] <baga> you think this old version will do?
[19:58] <Bushmills> why shouldn't it? probably worked before, it shouldn't suddenly cease to
[19:59] <Bushmills> availability of newer versions doesn't automatically invalidate all previous versions
[19:59] <baga> ok will try that version
[19:59] <baga> + oggfwd
[19:59] <baga> on the raspi
[19:59] <Bushmills> i guess you're still using an older linux kernel than available now
[19:59] <Bushmills> does it still work?
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[19:59] <baga> yup im using lubuntu 12.04
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[20:00] <baga> on the server
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[20:00] <Bushmills> even though more recent kernels are available? some sort of magic that must be :)
[20:01] <baga> 3.5.0
[20:01] <baga> here xD
[20:01] <baga> isnt my computer
[20:01] <baga> so i didnt have the time to compile a newer kernel
[20:01] <Bushmills> does the machine it's running on already use electricity?
[20:01] <baga> hardly
[20:01] <baga> a netbook
[20:01] <baga> xD
[20:01] <Bushmills> steam powered?
[20:02] <baga> + solar
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[20:02] <IT_Sean> geothermal powered PC FTW.
[20:02] <IT_Sean> :p
[20:02] <Bushmills> or belts and levers
[20:03] <IT_Sean> o_O
[20:04] * Bushmills still has 3.2 kernels on servers
[20:04] <Bushmills> but when those machines squeak, i need to grease them with an oil can
[20:04] <IT_Sean> the squeaky server get's the grease?
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[20:05] <Bushmills> yes. reducing friction so they don't heat up
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[20:06] * IT_Sean flicks lit matches at one of Bushmills's recently oiled servers
[20:06] * Bushmills flicks one of those recently oiled machines at IT_Sean
[20:06] * IT_Sean ducks
[20:07] * IT_Sean throws the smoldering remains of the server into baga'a swimming pool.
[20:07] <gordonDrogon> Hm. Steam power....
[20:07] <gordonDrogon> I have a steam engine....
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[20:07] <IT_Sean> ._.
[20:07] <IT_Sean> you would.
[20:07] <piney0> gordonDrogon, cool.
[20:07] * IT_Sean wonders how long before Katty notices the bunny sitting on her head
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[20:08] <Bushmills> had you put a cat on her head, she had noticed by now
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[20:08] <gordonDrogon> model steam engines are not really designed for continuous use though.
[20:08] <IT_Sean> Noted for future reference, Bushmills
[20:08] <piney0> i'm looking for a steam 'hit or miss' engine
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[20:09] <gordonDrogon> wonder if I could make a steam turbine...
[20:09] <Bushmills> i'd like to build a steam computer. or a hydraulic one.
[20:09] <piney0> that would be neat to see
[20:10] <Bushmills> dyed liquid, transparent tubing
[20:10] <Bushmills> and port in interactive interpreter + incremental compiler to that device
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[20:11] <gordonDrogon> did you see James Mays water clock?
[20:12] <Bushmills> not sure. i've seen several, no idea whether his was among them.
[20:12] <Bushmills> let me google for it
[20:12] <gordonDrogon> it was part of his recent TV series
[20:12] <flufmnstr> man lab?
[20:12] <gordonDrogon> yet man lab.
[20:12] <gordonDrogon> it was based on syphons.
[20:13] <Bushmills> http://www.popularmechanics.com/cm/popularmechanics/images/DI/crazy-clocks-06-0213-lgn.jpg that one?
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[20:15] <gordonDrogon> no, but similar I guess.
[20:15] <gordonDrogon> its in this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDjm4VLfG_g
[20:16] <Bushmills> technology becomes so much easier to grasp when you're using familiar materials which can visualize the functional concepts
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[20:22] * IT_Sean wants to go home and bake muffins
[20:24] <gordonDrogon> Buns away...
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[20:33] <flughafen_> dpes raspbian support dm-crypt?
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[21:07] <bumbar> is it possible to repair corrupt sd card without reinstalling?
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[21:08] <Bushmills> insert in another linux machine and fsck
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[21:09] <bumbar> i tried that and get http://pastebin.com/RfD2iFPr
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[21:09] <KiltedPi> I tried installing debian
[21:09] <KiltedPi> On this windows 7 pc.
[21:09] <KiltedPi> it was so incredibly confusing i gave up
[21:09] <Bushmills> how did you try to install?
[21:09] <KiltedPi> I got as far as partitioning
[21:09] <KiltedPi> And it couldn't find my NIC
[21:09] <KiltedPi> So I thought sod that man
[21:10] <Bushmills> no need. just sector write an image
[21:10] <Bushmills> that is, image already contains the partitioning
[21:10] <KiltedPi> I downloaded the iso
[21:10] <Bushmills> iso? are you sure you downloaded an image for raspberry pi?
[21:10] <KiltedPi> what do you mean bushmills, sector write it?
[21:10] <KiltedPi> No no!
[21:11] <KiltedPi> for my windows 7 pc
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[21:11] <KiltedPi> I wanted to see if I could use debian as well
[21:11] <Bushmills> raspberry can't run windows 7
[21:11] <KiltedPi> pc
[21:11] <KiltedPi> I have raspbian on me pi
[21:11] <KiltedPi> Thought I'd try out debian on my home pc
[21:11] <Bushmills> ah. for a pc, you'd need an emulator, like qemu, in order to boot raspberry images
[21:12] <KiltedPi> debian
[21:12] <KiltedPi> not raspbian
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[21:12] <Bushmills> raspbian is debian based
[21:12] <KiltedPi> <KiltedPi> I tried installing debian
[21:12] <KiltedPi> <KiltedPi> On this windows 7 pc.
[21:12] <KiltedPi> Bushmills. You are one confusing dude :)
[21:12] <Bushmills> your pc has an x86 cpu. raspberry has an arm cpu
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[21:13] <Bushmills> one doesn't run directly on the other
[21:13] <KiltedPi> Bushmills, you are answering questions nobody is asking you weirdo
[21:13] <KiltedPi> :/
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[21:14] <Bushmills> well, that "weirdo" just earned you an /ignore
[21:15] <Mortvert> .. Bushmills - but no-one really asked youa question
[21:15] <Mortvert> s/youa/you a/
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[21:16] <IT_Sean> Mortvert: ease up.
[21:16] <Mortvert> IT_Sean - but i'm chilled.
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[21:17] <Mortvert> ngh- i want a job in UK D:
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[21:18] <KiltedPi> Doing what mort?
[21:18] <KiltedPi> Software?
[21:18] <Mortvert> KiltedPi - nah, i can't code for a living.
[21:18] <Mortvert> I just get distracted from coding way too eaisly
[21:18] <KiltedPi> Toshiba Medical is amazing. Work there
[21:18] <Mortvert> I got entertained by fly on my desk while trying to write something..
[21:18] <KiltedPi> They let you write videogames in your spare time
[21:18] <KiltedPi> sometimes during work time hehe
[21:19] <Mortvert> KiltedPi - i only have IT Technician title. :\
[21:19] <Mortvert> and middle education
[21:19] <Mortvert> Since i've finished, how do you call it, vocational school?
[21:19] <KiltedPi> Do a cisco cert, get a cushty networking job
[21:19] <Mortvert> Costs money that i don't have
[21:19] <KiltedPi> Sit on your bum. Watching the baseline network
[21:19] <KiltedPi> Yeah. I'm lucky. British government paid for my CCNA/CCNP
[21:20] <KiltedPi> Student loan
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[21:20] <Mortvert> Heh
[21:20] <Mortvert> I still want to haul from poland to UK
[21:20] <KiltedPi> its all going cloud these days
[21:20] <Mortvert> "cloud"
[21:20] <KiltedPi> Dude, there were like five polish guys in my class!
[21:20] <Mortvert> buzz word
[21:20] <Bretos> cześć!
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[21:21] <IT_Sean> KiltedPi: How were they at the task if lighbulb replacement?
[21:21] <KiltedPi> it does sound like a joke!
[21:21] <KiltedPi> :)
[21:21] <KiltedPi> They were cracking blokes
[21:21] <KiltedPi> good laugh.
[21:22] <KiltedPi> Hard working man. I used to share notes.
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[21:22] <IT_Sean> I'm sorry... i just had to go there. :p
[21:23] <KiltedPi> I do think that eventually only financial and military sector will have networking jobs
[21:23] <KiltedPi> lol yeah.
[21:23] <KiltedPi> "Five polish blokes walk into a bar"
[21:23] <KiltedPi> Two of them were actually quite racist, weirdly enough.
[21:24] <IT_Sean> KiltedPi: Did the 6th one duck under it?
[21:24] <KiltedPi> lol
[21:24] <KiltedPi> Don't see gordon on as much at nite in here anymore.
[21:24] <KiltedPi> Ah!
[21:24] <KiltedPi> He is about. Not @
[21:25] <KiltedPi> I need to pick his brain at some point about breaking into his wiring pi lib
[21:25] <IT_Sean> He was active as of an hour ago.
[21:25] <KiltedPi> yeah.
[21:25] <IT_Sean> call him by name... he might still be about.
[21:25] <KiltedPi> Nah. too tired tonite to hack my pi
[21:25] <IT_Sean> what are you plotting?
[21:25] <KiltedPi> Tonite is about videogames and chatting in irc, and a whisky with ice
[21:26] <KiltedPi> I've hooked up a max31855 thermistor
[21:26] <KiltedPi> to the GPIO
[21:26] <IT_Sean> Sounds like a brilliant combination!
[21:26] <KiltedPi> Installed wiringpi
[21:26] <KiltedPi> I've got data streaming, but I write in java, and finding c difficult
[21:26] <KiltedPi> i've got numbers appearing, definately streamed from the thermistor
[21:26] <KiltedPi> but its not binary!
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[21:27] <KiltedPi> So I've mucked up somewhere
[21:27] <KiltedPi> It was the weird ? unicode for a while
[21:27] <KiltedPi> but i fixed that. Anyway- Another time!
[21:27] * KiltedPi gets himself another whisky and ice
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[21:34] * Katty takes the whisky and ice from KiltedPi
[21:34] <Katty> KiltedPi: you shouldn't have. so sweet.
[21:34] * Katty downs it
[21:35] * Katty goes back to novel
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[21:37] * IT_Sean wonders if Katty is reading anything good
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[21:40] <Katty> oh yes ^_^
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[21:40] <Katty> it's good. REALLY good.
[21:40] <Katty> IT_Sean: you wouldn't like it. horribly detailed.
[21:40] <Katty> IT_Sean: not really intended for *ahem* males.
[21:41] * shiftplusone recalls the word 'smut' being used.
[21:41] <shiftplusone> So right up your alley, Sean.
[21:41] <shiftplusone> (hello)
[21:41] * IT_Sean slaps shiftplusone
[21:41] <IT_Sean> Hello
[21:42] <IT_Sean> ahh, Katty, nevermind then
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[21:42] * Katty wiggles eyebrows from behind novel, goes back to reading
[21:42] <IT_Sean> :p
[21:42] <Katty> what? i can't find them in real life. i can dream right?
[21:42] <IT_Sean> heh
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[21:43] <shiftplusone> Katty, you don't have a linux for beginners site of some sort by any chance do you?
[21:44] <Katty> 42ndgeekstreet.blogspot.com has some stuff
[21:44] <Katty> if it's even up anymore
[21:44] * Katty checks her blog
[21:44] <shiftplusone> nuh, that's not what I was thinking. Thought you might be someone else.
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[21:45] <ripzay> katty, are you on a bnc ?
[21:45] <Katty> newp.
[21:45] <Katty> i'm not that fancy
[21:45] <Katty> ripzay: what is a bnc?
[21:45] <ripzay> i'll take that as a no :D
[21:45] <Katty> that seems like a likely answer then
[21:45] <ripzay> proxies your connection to IRC
[21:45] <Katty> ah no
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[21:46] <Katty> nope, my whois looks totally accurate
[21:46] <ripzay> so that you never disconnect from irc and can have multiple clients using a single username on the network
[21:46] <Katty> oh, well...
[21:46] <ripzay> never mind :D
[21:46] <Katty> i ssh into my screen irssi
[21:46] <Katty> from All The Places
[21:46] <Katty> i'm not really sure that counts tho
[21:46] <ripzay> not quite the same :D
[21:46] <shiftplusone> for the most part you get the same benefits.
[21:47] <shiftplusone> I use znc which works quite well
[21:47] <ripzay> i also use znc
[21:47] <ripzay> well.. i did until i blew up my server yesterday
[21:47] <ripzay> because i am a pro
[21:47] <ripzay> lol
[21:47] <shiftplusone> heh
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[21:47] <ripzay> that's my job this evening.. rebuild my dns / mail / bnc server
[21:48] <ripzay> fun.. no.
[21:48] <shiftplusone> backups! =D
[21:48] <Katty> we're all professionals!
[21:48] <ripzay> yeah.. it was a catastrphic failure which also took out the backups before i got chance to stop it
[21:48] <Katty> (kind of)
[21:49] <ripzay> i'm currently attempting to collect the important data from the fubar hard drives
[21:49] <shiftplusone> multiple backups! =D
[21:49] <ripzay> which is taking an age
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[21:50] <Bushmills> no need for full backups. /etc and below isn't big but eminently important
[21:50] <vtoms> is clang a compiler option on pi?
[21:50] <shiftplusone> yeah, I take backups of /home, /etc and a list of installed packages.
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[21:51] <Bushmills> lot of work may have gone into /usr/local
[21:51] <tortal> so now model b is up n running rasbian. it's by the tv, connected with hdmi, power, etc. NOW.. i need to remotely connect to it. like from the laptop. still i dont want to vnc a private window neither waste memory for starting a new x instance. i really just want to feed keyboard and mouse inputs to the current x window running... how to ?
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[21:52] <Bushmills> synergy
[21:52] <shiftplusone> tortal, look at synergy
[21:52] <Bushmills> or x2x
[21:52] <tortal> cool thx
[21:52] <shiftplusone> also, vnc can work too. You don't have to start a new x instance, you can use an existing session.
[21:52] <tortal> shiftplusone: yes, but how
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[21:53] <tortal> i dont want it to render any video data.. precious cpu and all that
[21:53] <shiftplusone> x11vnc instead of tightvnc
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[21:54] <Bushmills> you can also start a 2nd Xserver and have it display the whole raspberry x session
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[21:55] <shiftplusone> but really, synergy sounds like what you're really after.
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[21:55] <tortal> dont hack if you dont need to
[21:55] <Katty> synergy is buggy.
[21:55] <Katty> but it's nice.
[21:55] * Katty waves to tortal
[21:55] <tortal> yes, i wave back
[21:56] <Katty> tortal: you bring me a recipe from sweden yet?
[21:56] * IT_Sean presents tortal with the ceremonial Dead Fish of Welcome
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[21:57] <tortal> haha, damn for identity
[21:58] <tortal> Katty: what do ever mean by recipes? i dont do food. so bombs, industrial chemicals?
[21:58] <Katty> tortal: my. i've never met anyone that didn't like food.
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[21:59] <tortal> 50% of ppl in freenode loves food too much, and the rest loves it too little
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[21:59] <Katty> tortal: i'm very sociable on freenode, and you are th eonly one i've met that doesn'tlike food!
[21:59] * shiftplusone loves food, but can't cook anything more complicated than a 2 minute noodle.
[22:00] <tortal> this is funny
[22:00] * Katty pats tortal
[22:00] <Katty> tortal: it's ok. it's just unusual! (=
[22:00] <tortal> is there a python lib for controllin the outputs?
[22:01] <shiftplusone> sure, check the adafruit tutorials, they all use python, but I don't know what exactly.
[22:02] <tortal> niceee, i didnt even care about that part
[22:02] <tortal> but nice to know that it's python
[22:02] <tortal> maybe ill make some leds flash after all
[22:02] <tortal> had arduino when that was cool
[22:02] * gordonDrogon waves. 'evening.
[22:03] <shiftplusone> Hello, Gordon.
[22:03] <gordonDrogon> tortal, there's a nice C library called wiringPi ...
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[22:05] <tortal> gordonDrogon: i will check that out thank you
[22:07] <tortal> now... to find something to connect it to...
[22:07] <gordonDrogon> tortal, http://wiringpi.com/
[22:08] <tortal> gordonDrogon: thx, already read some
[22:08] <tortal> but why! the volume controls on the amplifier of course!
[22:09] <tortal> wait.. already got a remote for that...
[22:10] * tortal bought the arduino. ended up making fans spins and leds flash - resorted to readin all cool hacks on hackaday
[22:10] <gordonDrogon> I'm just about to shut-down wiringPi.com and projects.drogon.net for 5 miuntes though - the server they're on is having hardware issues )-:
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[22:11] <tortal> w.w.w. it is you!
[22:11] <tortal> nice work
[22:12] <tortal> i wanted to do electrical engineering but ended up in software. i envy you people, masters of the circuits
[22:12] <knob> tortal, if it isn't on fire, it's a software problem
[22:13] <gordonDrogon> :)
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[22:14] <tortal> tbh, the arduino was just to make me look better beside fellow java programmer
[22:14] <tortal> cooler*, more awesome
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[22:17] <gordonDrogon> can someone do me a favour and check http://projects.drogon.net and http://wiringpi.com/ please ?
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[22:17] <gordonDrogon> they looks ok to me, but sometimes an off-net check is handy.
[22:18] <shiftplusone> fine here
[22:18] <gordonDrogon> thanks.
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[22:18] <gordonDrogon> the server it was on started to develop disk faults )-:
[22:18] <Katty> IT_Sean: i somehow randomly ended up on page 102
[22:18] <Katty> IT_Sean: i swear i just started this book
[22:19] <Bushmills> they check out. firefox+noscript, squid, debian
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[22:21] <gordonDrogon> thanks.
[22:23] <gordonDrogon> now to copy over the other vps on that server then I can scrap it )-:
[22:23] <gordonDrogon> or work out why it's disks are failing. it's only 2 years old )-:
[22:24] <Bushmills> smartctl may tell you
[22:24] <gordonDrogon> I fear it's smartctl that's making it fail
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[22:24] <Bushmills> it's supposed to merely report what disk is recording anyway
[22:25] <gordonDrogon> http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/smartmontools/wiki/SamsungF4EGBadBlocks
[22:25] <gordonDrogon> server has those disks )-:
[22:25] <gordonDrogon> and I've been using smartctl on it - like ever 5 minutes to check their temperature, etc.
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[22:29] <Bushmills> may still fall under warranry then
[22:29] <Bushmills> warranty
[22:29] <gordonDrogon> yea. bit of a pain though - they're 350 miles away from me.
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[22:31] <Bushmills> need some space to dump the contents?
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[22:32] <gordonDrogon> I have spare servers in the DC, thanks.
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[22:33] <gordonDrogon> doing a big re-org. anyway - I had to cut-off a customer at the weekend for non-payment, so all their servers are now freed up.
[22:34] <bertrik> ouch
[22:34] <gordonDrogon> indeed - now I have to sue them for the payment.
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[22:39] <Cocotton> Hey guys. I`m looking to get a monitor to plug into my raspberry pi but I'm really not certain how to verify that one would get enough power to work well. I had in mind a monitor like this one : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824176437 which works with usb
[22:39] <Cocotton> but I'm pretty it would not be able to get enough power from the rp :S
[22:40] <SpeedEvil> No, it would not.
[22:40] <SpeedEvil> You would need a powered USB hub
[22:41] <Cocotton> something like this maybe?
[22:41] <gordonDrogon> a USB graphics adapter + display?
[22:41] <gordonDrogon> didn't realise there was such a thing.
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[22:41] <SpeedEvil> Also.
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[22:41] <SpeedEvil> The support for that display is unlikely to be ideal.
[22:42] <Cocotton> SpeedEvil: https://www.modmypi.com/New-Link-4-Port-USB-Hub-(USB-2.0-with-Mains-Adaptor)
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[22:42] <Cocotton> Yeah you must be right
[22:42] <SpeedEvil> I vaguely remember that USB displayport is basically brokenish on linux
[22:42] <Bushmills> that may be that displaylink thing
[22:42] <Bushmills> which if it is needed special drivers
[22:42] <SpeedEvil> err - yes
[22:42] <SpeedEvil> It does
[22:42] <gordonDrogon> Cocotton, I bought a small TV slightly bigger than that for �59 that does hdmi,vga,scart, etc. and it's a TV. samve resolution.
[22:43] <gordonDrogon> so look for portable TVs.
[22:43] <Cocotton> gordonDrogon: Interesting, but I supposed you plug it in a wall outlet (I don't really mind that)
[22:45] <gordonDrogon> yes - it has a 'wall wart' type PSU.
[22:45] <gordonDrogon> and a remote control - just like a TV.
[22:45] <gordonDrogon> which it is - if I connected up an aerial I could get freeview.
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[22:47] <Cocotton> gordonDrogon: ok cool. Does the one you buy have a stand or is it "looking like a big tablet"? I looked for some tv, but they all seem to have a stand which could be anoying if I have to move it :(
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[22:48] <gordonDrogon> it has a small stand.
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[22:49] <s2g_> hi all - I just configured my wireless connection and I'm getting an IP, I can ping other machines on the network, but I don't have internet for some reason? When I plug the ethernet cable to the same router, I do have internet access. Anyones knows what might be the problem? I'm using Wheezy with Edimax EW-7811Un. Thanks in advance!
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[23:26] <poli> Hello all! I am currently building an embedded remote (as in no easy way to access) application running on a raspi. I just got myself wondering if for such an application raspbian offers a comparable "stability"
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[23:26] <poli> to debian. I would appreciate your thoughts on raspbian versus debian versus something else for such an application.
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[23:27] <IanCormac> Isn't rasbian basically standard debian with a different wm?
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[23:27] <poli> IanCormac: I suppose, but releases and upgrades are different, I imagine.
[23:29] <poli> Actually I would really enjoy something like a debian stable for such an application, but I don't think it is available.
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[23:33] <gordonDrogon> it's as debian as a debian system is.
[23:33] <gordonDrogon> just compiled for the Pi's CPU.
[23:34] <gordonDrogon> stability will depends on your application, but above all else, power supply...
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[23:34] <gordonDrogon> I have one Pi here that won't cleanly reboot for example - it needs a power cycle and I'm not sure why - yet. However it was my very first Pi, so the oldest Mk 1, etc.
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[23:35] <poli> gordonDrogon: I mean software upgrades. Upgrading won't be that easy, as there is always a risk. Specially kernel upgrades...
[23:35] <plugwash> Yeah, kernels are an issue........
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[23:36] <plugwash> The raspbian project doesn't have the resources to do significant kernel maintainance of our own so we are basically at the mercy of the raspberry pi foundation
[23:36] <poli> I miss the old stable/unstable kernel dichotomy
[23:36] <plugwash> and they don't seem to have any intention of picking a kernel version and sticking with it :(
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[23:37] <Bushmills> given that sizes of SD-cards still aren't huge, and handling is easy (removing, replacing), i'd say the risks are limited
[23:38] <poli> As for power supply, I was thinking on something like that UPS-like battery that just got through kickstater (it's on ebay now).
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[23:38] <gordonDrogon> poli, well I've just upgraded 4 debian servers that are 350 miles away...
[23:39] <poli> gordonDrogon: debian stable? debian testing?
[23:39] <gordonDrogon> one from 5 -> 6 -> 7 and 3 from 6 to 7.
[23:39] <gordonDrogon> stable.
[23:39] <poli> stable is the way to go for remote installations...
[23:39] <gordonDrogon> I replaced self-compiled kernels on 2 of them.
[23:39] <plugwash> gordonDrogon, did you have any recovery mechanism available?
[23:39] <gordonDrogon> serial console.
[23:39] <gordonDrogon> and remote power cycle ability.
[23:39] <plugwash> that makes a BIG difference
[23:39] <gordonDrogon> so as long as it got to the lilo prompt I would be fine. fortunately not needed it.
[23:40] <poli> When kernel got crazy on upgrading (around late 2.6) debian was the safe harbor of system administrators... But then I decided I would switch to some *BSD... I might give Raspberry Pi NetBSD a try.
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[23:40] <gordonDrogon> although I've just this minute power cycled one of them that appears to be rather sick. it's lost one drive completely now.
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[23:41] <plugwash> one issue with the Pi as a remote system is that it doesn't have an interactive bootloader
[23:41] <gordonDrogon> poli, I compile a custom kernel for my servers, but have started to leave the desktops alone.
[23:41] <plugwash> so if your new kernel fails to boot and you don't have physical access you are screwed
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[23:42] <poli> plugwash: There will be people nearby, I might just instruct them to download an image into a SD card. Just won't be any technical staff. :(
[23:42] <gordonDrogon> a remote IP kvm might help (do they have hdmi KVMs yet?), but if you need to re-flash, then yes, you're up the creek without a paddle..
[23:42] <gordonDrogon> poli, keep a spare, pre-loaded & tested SD for it.
[23:42] <plugwash> an IP kvm wouldn't help much more than an IP serial console
[23:43] <gordonDrogon> might help to boot the recovery kernel...
[23:43] <Bushmills> a remote controlled sd card changer robot :)
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[23:45] <gordonDrogon> I have an IP KVM in the data centre, but I need remote-hands to connect it to the right server.
[23:45] <poli> I have turned off power many times on my 3 Pis and always get a clean boot after... But I have had some issues with SD cards, reading error and such, that were solved after a remove/re-insert procedure.
[23:45] <gordonDrogon> I'm often bouncing power on Pi's... not always intentionally either )-:
[23:46] <gordonDrogon> not had a real problem for a long time now.
[23:46] <gordonDrogon> I don't recommend it, but ..
[23:46] <poli> ext4 seems to have solved that. Used to be a real issue including on ext3.
[23:47] <poli> I might give NetBSD a try. If only it didn't take to long to get a system up and ready on it. :(
[23:47] <poli> *so long
[23:48] <poli> Kernel takes 5 years to get patched or something
[23:48] <daveaway> i dont get it, i have a link to a makefile and a linker file
[23:48] <daveaway> but i've seen using arm-none-eabi i can get a .elf out of it
[23:48] <daveaway> and from that i can get a .img
[23:48] <daveaway> so where do i use the makefile and linker?
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[23:50] <poli> I doubt I will have GPIO access under netbsd :(
[23:50] <gordonDrogon> never seen that with ext3 or 2 on other Linux boxes...
[23:50] <daveaway> wait.. the .bin file is the .img file?!
[23:50] <gordonDrogon> you need fsck's but never lost a filesystem due to a power cycle.
[23:51] <gordonDrogon> SD cards do seem a bit more fickle though - I suspect it's got more to lose if the plug is pulled during a write operation.
[23:51] <poli> gordonDrogon: That's my experience also. But it was pretty common to have to fsck "by hand"
[23:51] <gordonDrogon> poli, does netbsd have a /dev/mem ?
[23:51] <gordonDrogon> if it does. then wiringPi will probably work under it.
[23:52] <poli> gordonDrogon: yes
[23:52] <poli> gordonDrogon: hum
[23:52] <plugwash> The problem with flash storage is it has wear leveling
[23:53] <plugwash> and power failure is a very difficult case for wear leveling algorithms to handle correctly
[23:53] <gordonDrogon> plugwash, I really do not believe that for SD cards. I've yet to see something in writing stating that
[23:53] <poli> gordonDrogon: if wiring Pi does the job that is 50% solved. The other 50% is the 1-wire sensors I have using the linux module.
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[23:53] <SpeedEvil> gordonDrogon: They have wear leveling.
[23:54] <plugwash> I don't have a url to hand but my understanding is that SD cards have very crude wear leveling
[23:54] <SpeedEvil> gordonDrogon: They have to - it's pretty much inherent in working at all.
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[23:54] <gordonDrogon> poli, you can read 1-w with wiringPi - I've not done it, but I had a report from someone who did - the timing is 6�S intervals - not impossible, but tricky...
[23:54] <poli> I suppose wear leveling for SD cards is embedded in the SD controller, isn't it?
[23:54] <gordonDrogon> and SD card can only "wear level" ONCE.
[23:54] <SpeedEvil> gordonDrogon: The problem is that the wear leveling may be of significantly varying quality and is nontransparent.
[23:54] <gordonDrogon> Once for every sector, then that's it. no more levelling.
[23:54] <gordonDrogon> dd'ing an image to the SD card more or less thwarts the first 2GB.
[23:55] <gordonDrogon> game over.
[23:55] <poli> gordonDrogon: 6us... I might give it a try. Thanks for the help!
[23:55] <gordonDrogon> exactly the same for SSDs - unless you can tell them which blocks you've deleted - via TRIM.
[23:56] <gordonDrogon> if the SD card knew the underlying filesystem, then when you deleted a file, it could sneak a peek and erase the sectors the file occupied, but it doesn't, so it can't.
[23:56] <gordonDrogon> the only device I know of that does that is the Drobo.
[23:56] <SpeedEvil> gordonDrogon: That's basically wrong.
[23:56] <gordonDrogon> why?
[23:56] <SpeedEvil> gordonDrogon: It has to have a number of sectors preallocated for failures in use.
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[23:56] <SpeedEvil> Failures in use with NAND are quite expected.
[23:56] <gordonDrogon> maybe, but not many.
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[23:57] <SpeedEvil> The blocksize of modern NAND flash blocks is about 12Mbytes
[23:57] <gordonDrogon> and it'll never know when you delete a file, so it will never know those sectors are free to be used for leveling.
[23:57] <SpeedEvil> It doesn't work that way.
[23:57] <SpeedEvil> There is a percent or two unallocated space.
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[23:58] <gordonDrogon> if I dd /dev/zero to an SD card - I write all sectors - other than the few 'reserved'. If I dd that again, the SD card can only use those reserved sectors - then that's it. game over.
[23:58] <gordonDrogon> it might as well not bother.
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[23:59] <poli> gordonDrogon: So I won't level the next 499,999 writes?
[23:59] <gordonDrogon> I do not belive it will, and I've yet to see a makers website that says it will.

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