#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2013-07-16

Timestamps are in GMT/BST.

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[0:07] <k0r1n> Datalink: cool ty for the info, can't check it out now, but sure will tomorrow
[0:07] <k0r1n> Time for bed, cya guys and thnx again :)
[0:07] <Datalink> night
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[0:21] <Katty> hi
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[0:46] * MightyMu discovers vcgencmd
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[1:40] <maxinux> ohh my raspi camera is shipping from newark!!
[1:41] <maxinux> yay ill have a backup for burning man
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[1:57] <yggdrasil> ok well my adventure into arch was shortlived ;)
[1:58] <yggdrasil> does anyone know how to change the clock in rasbian lxwm from 24 to 12 ?
[1:58] <maxinux> 24 is better.
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[1:58] <maxinux> and what was wrong with arch?
[1:58] <yggdrasil> couldnt mount the home drive :(
[1:59] <yggdrasil> after reboot
[1:59] <CeilingKitten> ^ O_o i've never tried arch but that sounds like it should be easier
[1:59] <yggdrasil> im sure i could have gotten it but , i was not feeling in the mood.
[1:59] <yggdrasil> is it that hard to make a simple installer,
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[2:05] <lwizardl> hello
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[3:25] <jefeson> Hello guys!
[3:26] <ozzzy> hi
[3:26] <jefeson> is this top of RPI? http://www.farnellnewark.com.br/placaraspberrymodb512mbccaixa,product,2217158,0.aspx#achMoreDetail
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[3:27] <ozzzy> top? that's an RPi
[3:27] <ozzzy> hellish expensive RPi
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[3:29] <Orii> hey everyone? anyone here try pibang? im running there server edition now. i mean the server edition isnt much different than normal raspbian except it has the pibang repos too for apt
[3:29] <sney> if that's anything like it sounds, it's probably just raspbian with a different kernel
[3:29] <ozzzy> pibang?
[3:29] <Orii> probably
[3:30] <Orii> oh and the normal edition has openbox
[3:30] <Orii> instead of lxde
[3:30] <sney> because "crunchbang" is usually a based-on-debian with a custom kernel, or alternately, standalone kernels for debian systems
[3:30] <Orii> pibang is based on crunchbang
[3:30] <sney> eh, window managers and desktop environments are a breeze to change with apt and alternatives, I still don't get why they're a selling point for different distros
[3:30] <Orii> its certainly not based on archbang since its debian based
[3:31] <Orii> ditto but its more convient and *shrugs* i have been trying all the pi distros
[3:31] <jefeson> ozzy: here in Brazil is very expensive!
[3:32] <Orii> i wish there was just a bit more ram for the pi. just a gig would be wicked. but oh well. i can make do with terminal
[3:32] <sney> jefeson: it's more than 2x the price of a RPi in the US, but that's a nice case, so it's not so bad
[3:32] <Orii> elinks and irssi for the win
[3:32] <Orii> i have been looking at the odroid u2 interesting little gizmo
[3:33] <sney> yeah, there are other small arm machines if you want a low power desktop. the Pi's purpose is different
[3:33] <Orii> indeed
[3:33] <jefeson> sney: what the last model?
[3:34] <Orii> man its really crazy no matter what. what the pi does with its small size. in the 90s this would have blown peoples minds
[3:34] <sney> jefeson: huh?
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[3:34] <Orii> i think he means revision
[3:34] <Orii> i think....
[3:34] <sney> it's the model B. with 512MB
[3:34] <sney> that's the current one
[3:35] * cccyRegeane_Away is now known as cccyRegeaneWolfe
[3:35] <Orii> pibang's image is way bloated. i mean i love vlc but just for music it isnt worth it. deadbeef is an awesome lightweight music player
[3:35] <jefeson> is it http://www.farnellnewark.com.br/placaraspberrymodb512mbccaixa,product,2217158,0.aspx#achMoreDetail
[3:35] <jefeson> ?
[3:36] <Orii> jefeson: why dont you go with amazon? only 50 something there
[3:37] <sney> does amazon ship to brazil? brazil is pretty hardcore about import taxes
[3:37] <Orii> hmmm interesting.....not sure....
[3:37] <Orii> that blows :/
[3:37] <Orii> life is a struggle
[3:38] <sney> jefeson: yes, that is the current raspberry pi model.
[3:38] <jefeson> sney: ok
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[3:38] <Orii> so what does the topic mean? by foundation does that mean the official pi site?
[3:39] <sney> the "raspberry pi foundation" is the group that designed the RPi and had it made
[3:39] <jefeson> Orii: I believe that I have pay the taxes of the Brazil...
[3:39] <Orii> i wish you guys could check out my wicked lego case :3
[3:39] <Orii> it is awesome
[3:39] <Orii> jefeson: sorry to hear that man
[3:39] <sney> take a picture
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[3:40] <Orii> no phone, camera or webcam
[3:40] <Orii> hey anyone here live in Pennsylvania in the USA?
[3:40] <sney> my dad's side of the family is from there but I moved away
[3:40] <Orii> i was working on a project with my uncle at this bar called Al's
[3:41] <Orii> they have TVs that show a twitter feed of people commenting on the beers or new brews
[3:41] <Orii> a whole bunch
[3:41] <Orii> all pi man
[3:41] <Orii> its beautiful
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[3:42] <sney> neat
[3:42] <Orii> hell yeah ^__^
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[3:44] <Orii> my pi isnt handling overclocking so well. maybe my sd card is going out but i have it on medium now. it was odd. i wish i had a camera to take a picture of the errors
[3:44] <sney> SD cards die. keep spares.
[3:44] <Orii> oh well i dont need crazy overclocking since im just using the terminal anyways
[3:44] <Orii> yeah
[3:45] <Orii> i have two small copper heat sinks for the pi
[3:45] <Orii> bonus is that makes it looks very snazzy :)
[3:45] <sney> one of the reasons it's smart to just use the SD for the operating system and any data on a usb drive of some sort
[3:45] <sney> or a network drive for that matter
[3:45] <Orii> oh man man i should do that
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[3:46] <Orii> hey can the pi's usb handle powering a ssd?
[3:46] <sney> so you just keep a bunch of SD cards ready to go with your distro of choice, and /home lives on something more durable. SD cards die? just swap in another
[3:46] <sney> they can't
[3:46] <Orii> i know they dont use as much power as a harddrive
[3:46] <Orii> sad
[3:46] <sney> meh, powered hub
[3:47] <Orii> oh well i have powered usb hubs if needed
[3:48] <Orii> how noticable is sd card class when using the terminal
[3:48] <Orii> im currently running a class 10
[3:48] <Orii> 16 gig
[3:49] <sney> it's probably only noticeable with any kind of constant disk or network i/o, typical low-resource stuff you probably wouldn't notice
[3:49] <sney> I've only tried class 10s though
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[3:49] <Orii> ah alright
[3:50] <Orii> i mean im not using the pi for like a server. yet
[3:51] <Orii> i wish i could find a batter for the pu
[3:51] <Orii> pi*
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[3:53] <steve_rox> battery?
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[3:54] <Orii> battery
[3:54] <Orii> sorry
[3:54] <steve_rox> its okays
[3:54] <sney> don't they make emergency cellphone charger batteries that use the same plug
[3:54] <steve_rox> i havent come to any conclutions on a suitable batt for the rpi yet
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[3:56] <Orii> sney: they do like limeade is a cool one i want to check out
[3:56] <steve_rox> i was able to run it off 8 AA rechargables for a bit
[3:56] <Orii> how long?
[3:57] <steve_rox> i did not time how long it lasted i just used it for short times
[3:57] <Orii> ah i see
[3:58] <steve_rox> even ran it on a 9v batt for a while
[3:58] <steve_rox> but its got a bit extra to power with a lcd and a tiny fan
[3:59] <Orii> ooo
[3:59] <Orii> cool
[3:59] <steve_rox> but i added a toggle switch to turn lcd off to save power
[3:59] <Orii> any lcd that use mini hdmi ?
[3:59] <steve_rox> mines composite
[3:59] <Orii> aaaaaaaaah
[4:00] <Orii> cool beans
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[4:00] <Orii> i wish the pi had vga...
[4:00] <steve_rox> http://www.zen74792.zen.co.uk/images/P1060356_A.jpg - oldish pic but it shows ya what its like
[4:00] <Orii> i mean i know its isnt made much....but a lot of monitors still use them
[4:00] <sney> it has pretty good reasons for not including vga
[4:00] <steve_rox> lot changed since that image tho
[4:01] <sney> I wonder if you could double dongle it
[4:01] <Orii> hey one sec i got a friends phone and ill send pics of case
[4:01] <steve_rox> im prob gonna pas out soon im very sleepy
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[4:02] <Orii> https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/q77/s720x720/1017286_275181899290694_1818476489_n.jpg can you guys see this?
[4:02] <Orii> https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/q82/s720x720/995720_275181849290699_1003658023_n.jpg
[4:03] <Orii> one withouts its top to see (sort of) the heat sinks and the other with its top
[4:03] <sney> neat
[4:03] <Orii> ^__^
[4:04] <steve_rox> passin out :-P
[4:04] <Orii> night man
[4:04] <Orii> rest well
[4:04] <Orii> brb
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[4:11] <Orii> so anyone do some cool projects lately with their pi?
[4:13] * Scriven is flashingg LEDS! 2 at a time! ;)
[4:14] <Orii> you are blowing my mind!
[4:14] <Scriven> IKR!
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[4:17] <Orii> anyone else do something cool?
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[5:07] <yggdrasil> darnit,
[5:08] <yggdrasil> i lost my src code that i had bee nworking on
[5:08] <yggdrasil> because the sdcard went bad.
[5:08] <Orii> damn man that sucks :/
[5:08] <Orii> you really shouldnt save it to such a medium >_>
[5:08] <yggdrasil> well it wasnt that much but . im a begining coder
[5:09] <yggdrasil> it should make me stroner
[5:09] <Orii> cool man
[5:09] <Orii> XD
[5:09] <Orii> wicked
[5:09] <yggdrasil> i need to learn to back up.
[5:09] <yggdrasil> i pastebinned it in here a few weeks back but i dont have the page.
[5:09] <yggdrasil> :(
[5:09] <yggdrasil> chances of finding it are pretty slim.
[5:10] <Orii> learn how to google hack to find it
[5:10] <Orii> do you remember some of the code?
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[5:10] <yggdrasil> yea
[5:10] <sney> I thought the term was google whacking
[5:10] <yggdrasil> let me see.
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[5:13] <yggdrasil> http://srv.datagutt1.com/index.php?date=2012-12-01
[5:13] <yggdrasil> heres some logs
[5:13] <yggdrasil> I should be able to find it
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[5:30] <yggdrasil> ok i give up
[5:30] <yggdrasil> its gone
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[5:33] <diegoviola> hi
[5:34] <diegoviola> how is the rpi for playing 1080p videos in mkv, etc? can it do subtitles, etc? does mplayer/vlc runs on it?
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[5:35] <diegoviola> i really need to get one and see
[5:35] <sney> use omxplayer for most videos, since it takes direct advantage of the gpu
[5:36] <diegoviola> thanks
[5:36] <diegoviola> cool ok
[5:36] <sney> for subtitles I'm not sure actually. I kind of doubt it since omxplayer is still minimal, but the feature list should be growing
[5:36] <sney> vlc and mplayer *run* but since they use the cpu for rendering they tend to be pretty slow
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[5:38] <diegoviola> right
[5:38] <diegoviola> thanks a lot
[5:39] <CeilingKitten> diegoviola, if you want subtitles you should prolly just dualboot a derivative of XBMC
[5:40] <CeilingKitten> subtitles play nicely there =)
[5:41] <diegoviola> oh nice, i'll give that a try as well
[5:41] <diegoviola> just out of curiosity, what kind of player is XBMC using?
[5:41] <diegoviola> its own?
[5:42] <diegoviola> or backend... gstreamer i believe?
[5:42] <sney> xbmc, if I recall correctly, wraps omxplayer in frontend thingies
[5:42] <sney> or rather raspbmc does
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[5:42] <diegoviola> interesting, i'll look into XBMC as well, thanks a lot
[5:43] <diegoviola> can't wait to get my hands on a RPI
[5:43] <diegoviola> that'll be fun
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[5:50] <Scriven> yggdrasil, I keep logs, and there are also public logs of the channel. Want the pastebin URLS you've posted in the past?
[5:51] <Scriven> I found 4 from late june.
[5:52] <Scriven> maybe the same ones you found in the logs, I dunno i've never looked at the public logs. lol
[5:52] <Scriven> 2 from June 22, 2 from June 29th I found.
[5:52] <Scriven> lmk.
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[5:55] <yggdrasil> Scriven: yea totaly
[5:55] <yggdrasil> i looked in the pubs
[5:55] <yggdrasil> around the 22ns sounds arbout right.
[5:55] <Scriven> Jun 22 10:26:24 <yggdrasil> http://pastebin.com/NNWaQq4X
[5:55] <Scriven> Jun 22 10:46:10 <yggdrasil> http://pastebin.com/SL4ekdLT
[5:55] <Scriven> Jun 29 10:41:31 <yggdrasil> http://pastebin.com/nGewQSFf
[5:55] <Scriven> Jun 29 10:51:41 <yggdrasil> http://pastebin.com/nGewQSFflike 33
[5:55] <yggdrasil> haha awesome!
[5:56] <Scriven> not sure if the 'like 33' is supposed to be part of the url or not. ;)
[5:56] <Scriven> but it's in the logs like that.
[5:56] <yggdrasil> yep those are they
[5:56] <yggdrasil> cool, thanks !
[5:56] <yggdrasil> i need to jsut get a pastebin acct
[5:57] <yggdrasil> sweet!!!!! hahah
[5:57] <yggdrasil> not that its any great writing
[5:57] <yggdrasil> but basically my first c stuff
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[6:01] <Scriven> yw. ;)
[6:01] <yggdrasil> yea, one missing but thats fine
[6:01] <yggdrasil> i can recreate it.
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[6:01] <Scriven> yeah, I've lost some of my early C code too, wrote a command-line 'reverse polish' calculator for a night-school course. Wish I'd kept it around. :(
[6:02] <yggdrasil> hehe
[6:02] <yggdrasil> i love rpn
[6:02] <yggdrasil> misse my old um
[6:02] <yggdrasil> what were they hps ?
[6:03] <Scriven> rpn?
[6:03] <yggdrasil> i actually went to go dig up my very first computer the other day from the parents house.
[6:03] <yggdrasil> it was gone :(
[6:03] <yggdrasil> well it was my second comp.
[6:03] <Scriven> have our first computer still, in storage near my parent's house. Apple ][+ legal clone. ;)
[6:03] <Scriven> still works too!
[6:03] <yggdrasil> yea i was kinda dissapointed
[6:03] <yggdrasil> thats a nice piece of equipment.
[6:03] <yggdrasil> prob worht some money
[6:04] <yggdrasil> the clone part is rare
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[6:07] <Scriven> is it? didn't know that.
[6:07] * Scriven doubly hopes it still works now! Will have to check next time I visit.
[6:07] <yggdrasil> i would assume so ?
[6:08] <yggdrasil> they are reare enough on thier own but a chinese knockoff ?
[6:08] <yggdrasil> or was it a eruoknockoff ?
[6:08] <Scriven> actually I'm not sure. AFAIK my uncle bought a kit and the parts, and built it for us himself.
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[6:09] <Orii> lulz
[6:09] <yggdrasil> wow
[6:09] <Scriven> my carpenter father built a case for it, but not until the next christmas. ;)
[6:09] <yggdrasil> haha
[6:09] <yggdrasil> killer
[6:09] <Scriven> yeah it was awesome.
[6:09] <yggdrasil> i love that
[6:09] <yggdrasil> my first was a vic 20
[6:09] <Scriven> Had a Hayes 300 baud modem too, and eventually even *gasp* floppy drives!
[6:09] <Scriven> MUCH faster than cassette. lol
[6:09] <Scriven> vic 20's were cool too. Loved the Commodores.
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[6:10] <Scriven> the high school had a room full of pets, and even a C64 upstairs.
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[6:10] <yggdrasil> yea it was good comp
[6:10] <yggdrasil> not sure what happened to that.
[6:10] <yggdrasil> miss it :(
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[6:10] <yggdrasil> the power plug broke, then it was all downhill after that.
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[6:11] <yggdrasil> but then is took over the 8086 that my parents used for thier business
[6:11] <yggdrasil> it wwas alot better, had a floppy drive :)
[6:12] <Scriven> yeah, floppies were FTW! Most people don't even believe it when I tell them my first comp was cassette driven. My dad may still have the cassettes stored somewhere, I should rip them to audio. ;)
[6:12] <Scriven> conan.flac
[6:12] <Orii> send the pi back then and makes people's heads explode
[6:12] <yggdrasil> yea totaly
[6:12] <Scriven> lol
[6:12] <yggdrasil> i remember when i met a friend who had a cdrom
[6:12] <yggdrasil> that blew my mind
[6:13] <Orii> sorry to randomly join teh convo
[6:13] <yggdrasil> iwas like wtf
[6:13] <Scriven> *gasp* 640MB!
[6:13] <Scriven> you'll NEVAR need all that space!
[6:13] <Scriven> ...
[6:13] <yggdrasil> wow i just discovered pacman4console
[6:13] <yggdrasil> pretty awesome
[6:13] * Xark used to work for DataSoft (makers of one version of Conan). :)
[6:13] <Orii> i wish they would make updated floppies
[6:13] <yggdrasil> they do
[6:13] <yggdrasil> they are called sdcards.
[6:13] <Orii> you could throw that bastard across the street and it would still work
[6:13] <Scriven> in the early 90's one of my first computer jobs after dropping out of university was to burn CD's. We were one of the first in Canada to do it. Things were crazy expensive at the time.
[6:14] <Orii> same size though
[6:14] <Scriven> And of course SCSI only.
[6:14] <Orii> pacman4console?
[6:14] <Orii> oooh
[6:14] <Orii> sorry
[6:14] <Orii> pacman the game
[6:14] <Orii> kept thinking pacman the package manager
[6:14] <Scriven> Xark, Didn't datasoft make the Conan: Halls of Volta for the Apple 2?
[6:14] <Orii> awesome package manager btw
[6:14] <Scriven> still one of my fave games.
[6:14] <Xark> Scriven: Sounds about right. I remember the authors didn't use an assembler (but coded in hex). :)
[6:15] <Scriven> wow.
[6:15] <yggdrasil> the best apple game ever was robot oddesy
[6:15] <Scriven> that's insane. I remember my Dad and I typing in pages of hex from the various magazines that were around.
[6:15] <Xark> Scriven: That was unusual even for the day (rumor has it Nasir of Sirius Software fame also coded like that).
[6:15] <Scriven> Best program we ever typed in, after about a year, was the hex-program tester. lolol
[6:15] <yggdrasil> i used to love thos mags
[6:15] <Scriven> made the mags SO much less painful!
[6:16] <Scriven> one error in 1000's of lines, and PFFFFFT... sorry!
[6:16] <Scriven> man that happened so often.
[6:16] <yggdrasil> yep
[6:17] <Scriven> that poor old computer gave my mom a complex about technology. Every time she'd use it, it would eat whatever floppy she was using.
[6:17] <Scriven> We'd have to make backups just for her. lol
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[6:18] <Scriven> once you heard that drive get into a repetitive noise, you knew it was chewing up the data as fast as possible.
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[6:20] * Xark casts an eye at Apple ][ floppy design where if you crashed your program and ran through memory, it would quite often turn on drive motor and write head and erase whatever track was under the head. ;)
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[6:21] <Scriven> Go openelec Go!
[6:21] <Scriven> Xark, DOOH! lolol!
[6:21] <Scriven> that's awesome.
[6:22] <Scriven> all this nostalgia makes me want to setup my Apple 2 collection.
[6:22] <Scriven> almost have all the pre-Lisa apples. (no 1 obviously)
[6:22] <Xark> Scriven: Nice.
[6:23] <Scriven> the + clone, and a C, E and GS. Few E's actually.
[6:23] <Scriven> not many of the sub-versions, but I'm saving my pennies for an Apple 1. ;)
[6:23] <Scriven> and my kids retirement savings. lolol
[6:24] <Xark> Scriven: I was pondering Apple II recently seeing these products -> https://www.tindie.com/stores/option8/
[6:24] <yggdrasil> i dont have nothing
[6:24] <yggdrasil> im hoping my kids will catch on.
[6:25] <yggdrasil> ive been pushing my oldes son but hes only 5
[6:25] <yggdrasil> uh 6
[6:25] <yggdrasil> he still cant get the more abstract concepts.
[6:25] <Scriven> Is that how Chris Anderson did it I wonder!!! That's fantastic!
[6:25] <yggdrasil> been trying witch scratch but its still too hard.
[6:25] <Scriven> yeah, my kids are young too, 7 and 5, so no programming quite yet.
[6:25] <Scriven> Soon tho... soon! MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!
[6:25] <Scriven> er... ahem...
[6:25] <yggdrasil> yea soon
[6:25] <yggdrasil> indeed
[6:25] <nerdboy> there'a always alice...
[6:26] <yggdrasil> i figure ill hae it out there for them
[6:26] <yggdrasil> the comp in thier room has always run linux
[6:26] <Scriven> "Remember Alice? This is a song about Alice..."
[6:26] <Scriven> sorry, hippie moment. ;)
[6:26] <nerdboy> except it's based on <ugh> java
[6:26] <yggdrasil> i actually felt kinda dumb whe ni bought the pi because it was a weaker version of what was in thier room.
[6:26] <yggdrasil> but once i realized what the gpio can do i was into it.
[6:27] <yggdrasil> i need to make a serial port for interface to the roomba
[6:27] <yggdrasil> he has been wanting to do that with me for a while but.. theres no real serial interface. i have to build one
[6:27] <Scriven> most roombas just use the old round din mac serial, and those cables are still relatively easy to find IIRC.
[6:27] <yggdrasil> yea but
[6:27] <yggdrasil> i need some serial into the pi
[6:27] <Scriven> my relatively old roomba has a serial.
[6:28] <yggdrasil> i have like 5 roombas :)
[6:28] <nerdboy> both your kids might about right for this... http://www.alice.org/index.php
[6:28] <Scriven> why not just get serial->bluetooth on roomba?
[6:28] <yggdrasil> in varying states of repair
[6:28] <yggdrasil> let me see
[6:28] <yggdrasil> hmm interesting
[6:28] <Scriven> or serial->usb?
[6:28] <yggdrasil> nah
[6:28] <yggdrasil> well yea
[6:28] <yggdrasil> but id rather keep the usb ports open
[6:28] <yggdrasil> there is a serial on the gpio
[6:28] <Scriven> I just got one of the manhattan 7-port usb hubs, works awesome.
[6:29] <yggdrasil> i should be able to cobble it straight thru except that the voltage .. is lower on the pi
[6:29] <Scriven> but yeah, can use the serial from gpio too.
[6:29] <yggdrasil> ive just been layz, studying for the ccent
[6:29] <Scriven> pull voltage from elsewhere and don't use that port on pi?
[6:29] <yggdrasil> trying to not ditract myself on that.
[6:29] <Scriven> just tx/rx
[6:29] <yggdrasil> hmm.
[6:29] <yggdrasil> yea
[6:29] <Scriven> nerdboy, thanks for the link!
[6:29] <yggdrasil> im surprised theres not more doc on it.
[6:30] <nerdboy> you need a TTL serial cable for the GPIO serial interface
[6:30] <nerdboy> adafruit has them...
[6:30] <yggdrasil> i saw it last night
[6:30] <yggdrasil> yea
[6:30] <yggdrasil> i want the gps interface too :)
[6:31] <yggdrasil> and a camera and then it should be able to think on its own.
[6:31] <yggdrasil> and get around the house
[6:32] <Scriven> lol
[6:32] <yggdrasil> scriven , you going to try that alice ?
[6:32] <Scriven> camera for sure. gps too, w/ compass and 9-axis accelerometer.
[6:32] <yggdrasil> yea
[6:32] <nerdboy> i have a usb and a bluetooth gps... what are you thinking about?
[6:32] <Scriven> yggdrasil, gonna read about it first, but probably, yeah.
[6:32] <yggdrasil> ill check it out
[6:33] <yggdrasil> nerd, just some code that allows the bot to drive itself around autonomously
[6:33] <nerdboy> gps connected to the serial pins?
[6:33] <yggdrasil> either by having the gps of the house layed out
[6:33] <yggdrasil> no
[6:33] <yggdrasil> gps connected to the pi
[6:33] <yggdrasil> and the serial pins connected to the roomba
[6:33] <yggdrasil> and using the roomba serial interface to drive and sense environment
[6:33] <yggdrasil> bumpers and motors
[6:34] <yggdrasil> bumpers and motors for the physical world interaction and depending on how tight the gps can get . use the gps for overall navigation
[6:35] <Scriven> gps may not be very good inside.
[6:35] <yggdrasil> um and .. i dont know .thats about what ive thoughtit.
[6:35] <yggdrasil> yea
[6:35] <yggdrasil> i know
[6:35] <yggdrasil> but some code with the camera to recognize lighted areas being a direction to go
[6:36] <yggdrasil> i dont know all just playing around
[6:36] <yggdrasil> its an awesome robot platform
[6:36] <nerdboy> differential gps would do it
[6:36] <nerdboy> you'd need a second (stationary) gps
[6:37] <yggdrasil> hmm.
[6:37] <yggdrasil> well thats the nice thing about that roomba platfor m is that it has all the .. um
[6:37] <yggdrasil> disaster avoidance?
[6:37] <yggdrasil> whats it called
[6:37] <yggdrasil> it has bumpers and clif sensors .
[6:37] <yggdrasil> and all those get fed back thru a serial port .
[6:38] <yggdrasil> in coded format
[6:38] <nerdboy> camera vision and laser range-finder...
[6:38] <yggdrasil> oh yea laser range findder!
[6:38] <nerdboy> ooo, how about a laser scanning system
[6:38] <yggdrasil> but why! what is the bots raison de'tre ?
[6:38] <yggdrasil> to charge his batteries .
[6:39] <yggdrasil> he cozies up in a sunny spot and charges
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[6:39] <yggdrasil> as the sun moves . he prowls around and finds a more suitible charge area
[6:39] <nerdboy> me previous company had a car in the darpa grand challenge
[6:39] <yggdrasil> nice
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[6:39] <nerdboy> you could see it for about 3 seconds in the nova special
[6:39] <yggdrasil> haha
[6:40] <nerdboy> they got the farthest of all the non-finishers
[6:40] <nerdboy> which was most of the entries
[6:40] <yggdrasil> winner of the losers ehh?
[6:40] <nerdboy> i think 3 teams finished in that one
[6:40] <yggdrasil> anyway ccent test is next tuesday, possibly thursday.
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[6:40] <yggdrasil> after that its bot time !
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[6:41] <yggdrasil> im dam fed up with all these subnets!!
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[6:43] <nerdboy> i was just about to add gpsd to my build image...
[6:43] <yggdrasil> whats your build image ?
[6:43] <yggdrasil> rasbpian?
[6:44] <nerdboy> a yocto/openembedded for pi that i put together
[6:44] <yggdrasil> hmm
[6:44] <yggdrasil> is that linux baed ?
[6:44] <nerdboy> based on the initial hardware bring-up image and bsp layer on github
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[6:45] <yggdrasil> wow sounds awesome
[6:45] <yggdrasil> its fast?
[6:45] <nerdboy> openembedded is just linux built by openembedded
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[6:45] <yggdrasil> i was thinking of starting to ue crunchbang as my main system
[6:46] <yggdrasil> it seems faster than raspbian
[6:46] <nerdboy> same kernel and bootloader stuff as everyone else, but the rootfs in openembedded recipes...
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[6:47] <nerdboy> https://github.com/sarnold/meta-raspberrypi/wiki/Raspberry-Pi-MPD-Image-Setup <= yggdrasil
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[6:48] <yggdrasil> hmm
[6:48] <yggdrasil> so its made for mp3s ??
[6:48] <yggdrasil> haha
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[6:49] <nerdboy> should be good for custom projects, since it's a pretty simple kind-of-like-debian config setup
[6:49] <yggdrasil> yea
[6:49] <yggdrasil> i actually messed with arch this morning
[6:49] <yggdrasil> was going to revisit that tomorrow
[6:49] <nerdboy> no, i just started with mpd and lirc as my first project
[6:49] <yggdrasil> yea
[6:49] <nerdboy> remote control audio for my car
[6:49] <yggdrasil> nice
[6:49] <yggdrasil> my first pi thing was
[6:50] <yggdrasil> just threw some mp3's on it.
[6:50] <yggdrasil> and when it booted up it just played them at random.
[6:50] <yggdrasil> so i could throw it in the car and plug it into the aux port and it would start playing
[6:50] <nerdboy> this is a full desktop, albeit light with minimal apps at the moment
[6:50] <nerdboy> will be adding more wireless sniffing/gpsd/mapping stuff
[6:51] <nerdboy> will be a full-blown car pc when i get the display hooked up
[6:51] <yggdrasil> hmm
[6:51] <yggdrasil> sounds nice
[6:52] <yggdrasil> would be nice to monitor speedtrap.com and wingman to send out some alerts
[6:52] <yggdrasil> everytime it passes thru an open wifi, use the opportunity to attempt and pdate
[6:53] <nerdboy> it also comes with an sdk setup for building your own stuff
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[6:53] <yggdrasil> hmm.
[6:54] <yggdrasil> i need to find a button
[6:54] <yggdrasil> i pulled a button off one of my kids toys . it was like a display, press here to ... see
[6:54] <yggdrasil> and it was sweet little smt with wires and a header
[6:54] <yggdrasil> i stuck it in the junk box
[6:55] <yggdrasil> but want to restart the mp3 project and use the single button for . single press next song
[6:55] <yggdrasil> long press next playlist
[6:55] <yggdrasil> 2 shorts for stop
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[6:56] * Scriven is happy he's kept all the old momentary switches from past computer cases.
[6:56] <Scriven> and leds too... I knew they'd come in handy!
[6:56] <yggdrasil> yea
[6:56] <nerdboy> i made a custom next-playlist wrapper for mpc
[6:56] <Scriven> Everything's coming up Milhouse!
[6:56] <Scriven> never quite grokked mpc...
[6:56] <yggdrasil> hahah
[6:56] <Scriven> it seems like I'd like it, but I don't 'get' it.
[6:56] <nerdboy> https://github.com/sarnold/meta-raspberrypi/blob/master/recipes-multimedia/musicpd/mpc/next_mpd_playlist.sh
[6:57] <yggdrasil> so the sdk, how does that work is it like c?
[6:57] <nerdboy> it cycles through all your playlists with no inputs
[6:57] <nerdboy> it's a cross-toolchain and sysroot
[6:57] <yggdrasil> bash
[6:57] <yggdrasil> hehe
[6:57] <yggdrasil> im trying to get away from bashing
[6:58] <nerdboy> bash is very handy...
[6:58] <yggdrasil> yea
[6:58] <nerdboy> and sometimes sh is all you got...
[6:58] <yggdrasil> what was the text to voice stuff called
[6:58] <yggdrasil> carnivalle
[6:58] <yggdrasil> celebration
[6:59] <yggdrasil> festival
[6:59] <nerdboy> yeah, festival
[7:00] <yggdrasil> it would be cool if . when you pressed the button it could read you the playlist name
[7:00] <yggdrasil> and single click would stop reading it and beging speaking the next playlist
[7:00] <yggdrasil> two clicks would select that playlist
[7:01] <nerdboy> i just bound the script to one of the remote buttons
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[7:01] <yggdrasil> which remote ?
[7:01] <nerdboy> it sorts them alphabetically, so you can figure it out...
[7:01] <yggdrasil> lirc ?
[7:02] <yggdrasil> type thing
[7:02] <nerdboy> the one on the back of my ipazzport keyboard
[7:02] <yggdrasil> ahh yea
[7:02] <nerdboy> yup lirc/lircexec
[7:03] <yggdrasil> if you could scrub this http://www.speedtrap.org/city/7326/Santa%20Fe
[7:03] <yggdrasil> and correlate it with gps data
[7:03] <yggdrasil> to give audible alerts that would be awesome
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[7:04] <nerdboy> iirc, kismet could make some cool sonar noises based on scan data, plus make a gps track
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[7:06] <yggdrasil> hmm alice loks a hell of a lot more complex than scratch
[7:06] <yggdrasil> ahh kisme
[7:06] <yggdrasil> ok i gotta crash it.
[7:06] <yggdrasil> later.
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[7:07] <nerdboy> latex
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[7:17] <\\Mr_C\\> sigh, how do i make the Fn keys automatic without pressing the function key? logitech k400r
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[7:20] <Scriven> no idea, sorry \\Mr_C\\
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[7:31] <Scriven> Bah, wireless is being a pita again, lolol.
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[7:35] <Scriven> ok, dhclient doesn't seem to be triggered at boot but will connect quickly when asked. Will play w/ it later. ;)
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[7:55] <pm0001> Hi. My RPI is connected with a 5V Usb-Powersupply. I have ejabberd running and tor and if more than 2 users connect the RPI Ethernet connection fails. Is this a known Problem? How can i get a workaround for this?
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[8:01] <nerdboy> pm0001: not sure there is one, although i didn't expect it to fail
[8:02] <nerdboy> sloooow yes, but...
[8:02] <pm0001> nerdboy: found this http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting#Crashes_occur_with_high_network_load
[8:03] <pm0001> will try the workarounds this evening when i'm back home
[8:03] <nerdboy> maybe try a usb ethernet? the ubiquitous asix one works okay, not tried on the pi tho...
[8:03] <pm0001> hmm no don't want to buy extra stuff :) if the tips fixes the freeze its just fine for me
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[8:20] <SpeedEvil> pm0001: Are you sure it's not a power issue? Oh - they likely cover that in that page.
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[8:40] <nerdboy> pm0001: i'm getting about 4.5-5 MB/s on tonight's build
[8:40] <nerdboy> seems decent for pi ethernet
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[8:58] <pm0001> SpeedEvil: that was my first attempt. I changed the power supply several times (have 2 pis at home) but on both is reproducable.
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[8:59] <SpeedEvil> k
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[9:29] <nerdboy> okay, updated the wiki and the build images => https://github.com/sarnold/meta-raspberrypi/wiki/Raspberry-Pi-MPD-Image-Setup
[9:29] <nerdboy> bug fix for midori crashiness and everything...
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[9:35] <Raspiman> Hi
[9:36] <Raspiman> commando : uptime Results normally in a load varage of 0,2, 0,1, 0,4. Something like that. Now it's 213,00, 212,81, 211,49. This aint normal right?
[9:38] <Raspiman> http://i.imgur.com/3BRfHvv.png
[9:38] <Raspiman> This is not normal right?
[9:38] <kai> Raspiman: that sounds like your box is busy as hell :)
[9:38] <Raspiman> look @ the screenshot :P haha
[9:38] <lasers> Wow... You're cooking eggs.
[9:38] <Raspiman> but the 213 means 213% ?
[9:39] <kai> it means the average job had to wait 213 seconds to get started, or something like that
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[9:39] <Raspiman> oke, i dident know that
[9:39] <Raspiman> but normally it's verry low..but now.. wtf..
[9:39] <kai> I'm not quite sure what the numbers mean exactly, but from experience I'd say if your load is > 4 * <cpus you have>, you're in trouble :)
[9:40] <kai> so, a good idea is to look at what jobs are running using "top"
[9:41] <Raspiman> @kai: did that already, but for me nothing special with CPU eating tings: http://i.imgur.com/pgHepGe.png
[9:42] <kai> Raspiman: looks harmless indeed
[9:43] <kai> Raspiman: is the load top is showing sinking while you're looking at it?
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[9:43] <Raspiman> and my hosted webpage, responds like normal.
[9:43] <Raspiman> yes when i give the commando top, the TOP proces have much cpu. but drops afer 1 seconds.
[9:44] <kai> no, I really mean the load value
[9:44] <Raspiman> no. the load value will stay the same
[9:44] <strigga> Hey. Anybody ever tried to power speakers attached to the PI with the PI's USB port? If so - anybody got good online resources how to do that?
[9:45] <Raspiman> i give the raspberry a reboot. let's see if that will solve my high load problem
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[9:45] <kai> Raspiman: weird, every time I've seen load that high, I had a process running amok, or had just killed said process
[9:46] <Raspiman> amok?
[9:47] <strigga> kai amok is a very german word :). Raspiman - going nuts :)
[9:47] <kai> strigga: it's malayan actually
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[9:47] <strigga> oh dear :)
[9:47] <Raspiman> Oke, leanrd something new today haha
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[9:50] <kai> Raspiman: ok, but if your system isn't CPU or IO bound, which according to top it is not, then I have no idea why your load is so high
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[9:51] <Raspiman> i dont have a clue, but after a sudo reboot it works like normal.
[9:51] <Raspiman> but strange that the top commando dident show the high load process.
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[9:55] <nerdboy> 00:54:33 up 1:59, load average: 0.12, 0.05, 0.05 <= idling after some minor network activity
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[9:55] <Raspiman> yes it's now 0,25 - 0,49 - 0,30 after some stuff doing
[9:56] <Raspiman> a reboot in almost 25 days it not bad
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[9:57] <nerdboy> if it goes wonky again, see if you can do a full ps listing and grep for Z (ombies)
[9:58] <Raspiman> "Wonky" haha. nice works here @ irc :)
[9:58] <nerdboy> also look for a large number of anything
[9:58] <nerdboy> *number of the same processes
[9:59] <Raspiman> whats the commando for that?
[9:59] <nerdboy> if you really want to collect some load stats there are tools for that
[10:00] <nerdboy> dstat for one
[10:00] * kai whistles as he waits for node to compile
[10:01] <nerdboy> sar is an oldie but goodie
[10:01] <nerdboy> part of the sysstat package
[10:02] <Raspiman> i let it for what it is, and if itg going mad again.. i will trow the pi from the mountain haha
[10:02] <nerdboy> try "ps ax | grep Z" first...
[10:03] <nerdboy> also without the pipe
[10:03] <nerdboy> see what's running
[10:03] <Raspiman> http://i.imgur.com/ntyAExN.png
[10:03] <Raspiman> outcome of the ps ax commando
[10:04] <nerdboy> okay so no zombies
[10:04] <nerdboy> yet...
[10:05] <Raspiman> when i do "top" in the top of the screen i see: Tasks: Total, running, sleeping, stopped, zombie
[10:05] <Raspiman> there is also a 'zombie'
[10:05] <Raspiman> 0 zombie for now, and it was also with the high load thing
[10:05] <nerdboy> should be 0 hopefully
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[10:06] <Raspiman> it was 0 also with the high load
[10:06] <nerdboy> install sysstat and have a cron job run sar periodically
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[10:07] <nerdboy> sar can be configured to do things like collect data for N minutes in intervals
[10:07] <Raspiman> i will bookmark that program, i need to go now. work! :(
[10:07] <nerdboy> then you can graph it for us ;)
[10:08] <Raspiman> that's nice haha
[10:08] <Raspiman> will be back on this channel soon, bye!
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[10:11] <kai> speaking of graph, I need to get my statsd/graphite-based temperature monitoring up and running again :)
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[10:15] <nerdboy> i think i have some irc stats around here somewhere...
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[10:21] <jinie> Small guide i wrote on setting up/securing a collocated Raspberry Pi (PCExtreme in this case), comments ? https://vile.devlix.dk/blog/2013/07/15/raspberry-pi-setup-pcextreme-dot-nl/
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[10:30] <ShorTie> l00ks nice
[10:31] <kai> jinie: yeah, looks pretty good. a bit more paranoid than my usual set-up would be, but then my usual embedded boxes aren't hooked up to the internet :)
[10:31] <kai> and thanks for teaching me about the watchdog
[10:32] <jinie> It saved me once or twice :) once where apt-get locked up the box
[10:32] <nerdboy> nice
[10:32] <jinie> I'm guessing some kind of ext4 inconsistency. CPU load just went to 100 (or 35'ish) and it stopped responding... 2 mins later it rebooted
[10:33] <rikkib> jinie, Looks pretty interesting... I run watchdog and found it had a bug... I run a version that is patched/fixed by me.
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[10:33] <jinie> rikkib: what bug ?
[10:34] <rikkib> jinie, You won't see it until you run ping
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[10:34] <jinie> rikkib: ah, i just use it as a safeguard in case the machine locks up
[10:35] <rikkib> So do I but I test different things than you
[10:35] <jinie> And regarding the paranoia, I've been a sysadmin for ~20 years, have run my own servers for almost as long... and despite my best effords, I've had a breakin about once every 2 years
[10:35] <rikkib> Hang on I will see if I can grab the config for you... It is but a hand full of lines
[10:36] <jinie> rikkib: I know how the ping thing works, but i didn't see the need for it.
[10:36] <kai> jinie: yeah, fair enough. for a sysadmin I guess paranoia == experience :)
[10:36] <rikkib> I run nfs
[10:37] <rikkib> But use ping to ping the adsl router
[10:38] <jinie> but come to think of it, i could use the ping functionality to ping my network gateway, to catch any network configuration bugs
[10:39] <rikkib> I do this...
[10:39] <rikkib> pidfile = /var/run/sshd.pid
[10:39] <rikkib> pidfile =/var/run/motion/motion.pid
[10:39] <rikkib> Make sure ssh is always there
[10:39] <rikkib> and motion
[10:39] <rikkib> the machines are used as web cam servers
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[10:40] <jinie> I'll steal the sshd option :)
[10:40] <rikkib> interface = eth0
[10:41] <rikkib> Use that one to
[10:41] <rikkib> If the nic goes down the machine reboots
[10:41] <rikkib> nic comes back up
[10:42] <rikkib> If you want to run ping you need to fix it
[10:42] <rikkib> I can point you in the right direction if you want
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[10:49] <jinie> If there's a bug in the watchdog daemon, you should report it to the developers, and/or send a patch
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[10:51] <rikkib> I have taken those steps but not sure the patch was accepted
[10:51] <rikkib> I submitted to the Debian developer not Raspbian
[10:52] <jinie> hmm, don't the forward upstream to the project maintainers ? or is the bug debian specific ?
[10:53] <rikkib> But I think the bug is only apparent when running at rpi speed which is slow by modern standards
[10:53] <jinie> Johnie Ingram <johnie@netgod.net> had the idea of testing the load average. He also took over the Debian specific work, from http://linux.die.net/man/8/watchdog
[10:53] <rikkib> Try it for your self...
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[10:54] <jinie> i will, but knowing there's a bug i'll test it out on my local raspberry pi first :)
[10:54] <rikkib> Give me a moment I will see if I can find the email trail left behind
[10:55] <rikkib> Thats the way... run it manually that way you won't get caught in the dreaded loop
[10:55] <rikkib> and have to pull the sd card to get access again
[10:55] <rikkib> Been there in testing
[10:57] <jinie> the bug only show with ping ? interface and pidfile should be safe, right ?
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[10:59] <rikkib> Michael Meskes is the Debian package maintainer I was talking to
[10:59] <jinie> And i'm about to add a drop rule for all of .cn and .ru ... I get on average 25-50 daily portscans, worm upload attempts, mssql admin connection attempts, or ms remote desktop attempts
[11:00] <jinie> and 99.9999% of those are from .cn or .ru
[11:01] <rikkib> Here is the diff that will allow you to find it in the source code.
[11:01] <rikkib> - if (dtimeout.tv_sec <= 0)
[11:01] <rikkib> + if (dtimeout.tv_sec < 0)
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[11:02] <rikkib> You will find the - code in the routine dealing with ping
[11:03] <rikkib> grep -R " if (dtimeout.tv_sec <= 0)" * in the source dir
[11:03] <jinie> so a common off-by-one error
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[11:04] <rikkib> Something like that
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[11:04] <kai> more a fencepost thing, but I'm not sure how that code ever triggers now...
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[11:05] <rikkib> but I think the issue is more complex than that... and god only knows why it is not an issue of fast machines... For me the change made it work and once I submitted the patch I did not investigate it any further
[11:07] <jinie> oh god .. sourceforge gitweb is almost as slow as OnSwipe ...
[11:07] <rikkib> Nonetheless the new code passed all my tests and without the patch it just kept rebooting the RPi no matter what.
[11:08] <jinie> rikkib: that's why i test stuff locally first :) wouldn't want a hosted server going into a reboot loop
[11:08] <jinie> PCExtreme may host it for free, but hands'on is not free
[11:09] <rikkib> I have six RPi... 3 being used in a commercial environment proof of concept
[11:09] <kai> ah, durn
[11:09] <rikkib>
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[11:10] <jinie> rather dark isn't it ? :D
[11:10] <rikkib> Cam one have watchdog... Cam 2 no watchdog, Cam3 no watchdog.
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[11:10] <jinie> cam 1+2 are just black here, cam 3 says no connection to camera
[11:10] <rikkib> Cam 2 seems to run all time fine... Cam 3 falls over all the time but can last all day
[11:10] <jinie> or wait, i think i spot 2 streetlights on cam 2
[11:11] <Xark> rikkib: Cool, more exciting than some Survivor episodes I've seen. :)
[11:11] <rikkib> Dark in NZ atm
[11:11] <jinie> ah, the dark side of the globe :)
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[11:11] <jinie> Denmark has daylight from 3:38am to around 1:38am
[11:12] <Xark> rikkib: Do you know what makes the cameras "fall over"?
[11:12] <rikkib> Cam 3 has res of 320x240 others 352x288 there in seems to lie a problem
[11:12] <jinie> rikkib: which camera are you using ?
[11:12] <rikkib> Three different web cams
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[11:13] <rikkib> Genius, logitech and another brand
[11:13] <jinie> been thinking about getting the rpi one for playing with motion detection / face recognition
[11:13] <rikkib> The logitech is the one falling over
[11:14] <rikkib> Older web cam
[11:14] <Xark> jinie: That is pretty interesting daylight hours. :)
[11:14] <rikkib> I probably will end up replacing it with another
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[11:14] <tig|> 'nings all
[11:15] <Xark> rikkib: So you suspect the actual camera unit is the failure point. Are the RPis behaving with USB connection?
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[11:15] <rikkib> I run kernel 3.1.09
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[11:15] <rikkib> New kernels are broken last i checked
[11:15] <jinie> Xark: well, i lied a bit. Midsummer is past us, and according to wolfram alpha it's now only 16 hours and 59 mins of daylight
[11:15] <jinie> http://www.wolframalpha.com/share/clip?f=d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427eq3svjg8pro&mail=1
[11:16] <rikkib> Have given up keeping up with the Jones
[11:16] <kai> hm, ok, that was a tad silly. the watchdog is indeed working a bit too well, and I don't have an sd card reader around..
[11:16] <Xark> Well, you are almost bleeding edge (Linux for Workgroups). :)
[11:16] <rikkib> Raspbian devels seem to think there is nothing wrong with the kernel
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[11:17] <Xark> rikkib: Hmm. That is a bit disturbing.
[11:17] <rikkib> I defy them to run a web cam off the rpi using motion for any period of time
[11:17] <jinie> rikkib: looking through the watchdog git repo, doesn't seem like there's a patch for the ping timeout
[11:18] <Xark> rikkib: Well, I am asking because last I tried (several months ago) I had a lot of issues.
[11:18] <rikkib> I submitted my findings/patch to the debian package maintainer
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[11:19] <jinie> rikkib: Yeah, just saying it doesn't look like it was accepted.
[11:20] <rikkib> But not my problem... Alex Bradbury is not prepared to listen to me on anything... My watchdog works fine with patch
[11:20] <jinie> I'll give it a go, see if i can get the error to pop up, then put some peer pressure on him :)
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[11:21] <rikkib> ASB will not even be aware the issue exists... re watchdog... As for the usb broken packet issue again 3.1.09 kernel work fine for my purpose
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[11:22] <jinie> anyway, time for lunch. I'll update the guide with the eth0/sshd watchdog monitoring. And thanks for giving it a read and commenting :)
[11:22] <rikkib> Wall written
[11:22] <rikkib> well
[11:23] <rikkib> Not sure I would go to those lengths for firewall
[11:23] <jinie> now if only i could make macvim do spell checking :)
[11:23] <rikkib> I run my own home server here on fixed ip adsl
[11:23] <rikkib> Not real fast out but have rDNS and mail and full control of what I do
[11:24] <jinie> not that much in the firewall .. just basic allow lo + output + established, allow http, https, ssh, and then log/drop anything else
[11:24] <rikkib> I have run port sentry for years and also tripwire
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[11:25] <jinie> and apparently PCExtreme is hosting it on a shared network, and windows is making quite a lot of noise on that network .. broadcasting high and low with their port 3838 spam
[11:25] <rikkib> I use ipmasq gateway for my local net... Two nics in the machine
[11:25] <rikkib> My gateway is this machine I am sitting in front of
[11:25] <jinie> i find tripwire a pain to use and maintain, and once tripwire sounds an alarm you're already compromised..
[11:26] <rikkib> In other words my gateway is my desktop running Debian 6
[11:26] <jinie> and from what i can tell, psad is far superior to portsentry.
[11:26] <rikkib> search krebs bennett an see what I do to hackers...
[11:27] <rikkib> When I caught this group of hackers I was running aide
[11:27] <jinie> portsentry vs psad (from the psad maintainer, some bias to be expected :D ) http://www.cipherdyne.org/psad/docs/faq.html#diff_portsentry
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[11:29] <rikkib> I can see activity on my adsl as the first line of defense.
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[11:29] <rikkib> I always have a root console running tcpdump as second line of defense
[11:29] <jinie> heh, and people think i'm paranoid :D
[11:30] <rikkib> I monitor logs on a regular basis
[11:30] <jinie> it would be one busy console on my 90/90 mbit fiber connection
[11:30] <rikkib> Any I whack anyone from bad reputation providers
[11:30] <rikkib> and I whack
[11:31] <jinie> monitoring logs is part of your "job" when you put servers on the internet ...
[11:31] <rikkib> hosts deny, apache config and mail config
[11:31] <rikkib> Plus I am a nasty anti spammer and my domain is on spammies do not spam lists
[11:32] <jinie> i prefer iptables to hosts.deny, since iptables enforces the rule, where hosts.deny requires the server (program, apache, whatever) to actively monitor and enforce the hosts listed in hosts.deny
[11:32] <jinie> and i much prefer pf to iptables :) sadly FreeBSD doesn't run (well) on rpi's yet
[11:34] <jinie> anyway, lunch time :) i've pocketed the spam bot article .. should make nice afternoon reading
[11:34] <rikkib> I have been attacked by the best of them including Ehud Tenenbaum
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[11:42] <rikkib> jinie, Another tip for compiling watchdog... ./configure --with-timermargin=10 sets the proper time out margin which is different for the RPi
[11:44] <rikkib> There is a config line "watchdog-timeout" to 10 in your /etc/watchdog.conf but not sure if it works as I compiled with the config option set
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[12:48] <kai> yay, alive again :)
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[13:31] <murple> Long version: I'd like to run a few python scripts upon boot. I am currently using crontab with @boot (or is it @reboot, I forget) which seems to be working fine. I just read the GPIO cheat sheet which suggests editing "/etc/rc.local" for startup scripts. I prefer using crontab since I have other cron jobs and this way everything is in one place.
[13:31] <murple> Short version: Are there any disadvantages of using cron instead of /etc/rc.local/?
[13:32] <kai> murple: well, using cron has the disadvantage of requiring cron :)
[13:32] <murple> kai: But cron is installed/running by default on the raspberry isn't it?
[13:32] <kai> murple: whereas rc.local is the place where you put stuff that runs during boot
[13:32] <murple> kai: I'm not sure I understand what you mean.
[13:33] <ozzzy> .. /etc/rc.local is like autoxec.bat
[13:33] <kai> murple: philosophically, cron @(re)boot is not a "nice" place to put things that should run once
[13:33] <murple> hmmm....
[13:33] <kai> technically, I don't think there's any disadvantage
[13:34] <murple> okay, so since: 1. I am not familiar with /etc/rc.local/, 2. I am already using cron'
[13:34] <murple> s @reboot and 3. Using cron allows me to administer everything in one central location.
[13:34] <murple> I think I'm just going to keep doing just that....
[13:35] <ozzzy> if I want things to run at boot I'll build an init script
[13:35] <murple> ozzzy: I'm familiar with autoexec.bat, but that's didn'
[13:35] <murple> t make me much wiser. Please forgive me breaking up my sentences this way....
[13:36] <murple> ozzzy: What's an init script?
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[13:36] <murple> ozzzy: More importantly, what are the advantages of using that rather than /etc/rc.local and cron's @reboot?
[13:37] <ozzzy> simple to turn off... restart... check status
[13:37] <murple> ozzzy: Well I'll take your word for that then. Thanks for the info.
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[13:43] <ozzzy> you can look at example upstart scripts in /etc/init and standard init scripts in /etc/init.d
[13:43] <ozzzy> er... examples of
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[13:46] <murple> alright. But generally, even though it's not the recommended/best way to accomplish this, using cron with @reboot shouldn't give me any surprises/problems?
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[13:49] <ozzzy> not if you never need to stop, restart, reload etc.
[13:49] <ozzzy> if it's a daemon running... then do it through the init system
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[13:57] <murple> ozzzy: It's just a few standard python scripts to check/display the temperature, and monitor some button clicks. There isn't any need to stop, restart, reload etc. Even if there were, I suppose I could just kill the process and start a new one.
[13:58] <ozzzy> yep... you could
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[13:58] <ozzzy> what... the cpu temp?
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[15:22] * IT_Sean hands Katty tea
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[15:23] * Katty tries to be civil
[15:23] <IT_Sean> That bad, aye?
[15:23] <IT_Sean> At least it's not monday!
[15:23] <Katty> yes.
[15:24] <Katty> i usually spend my 8-9 checking backups, catching up with ticket replies
[15:24] <Katty> but not this morning.
[15:24] <IT_Sean> oh?
[15:24] <IT_Sean> why? what happened this morning?
[15:24] <Katty> this morning someone decided to meet me in the Parking Lot
[15:24] <Katty> they were having a serious Emergency
[15:24] <IT_Sean> o_O
[15:24] <Katty> no time to open a ticket!
[15:24] <Katty> THIS CAN"T WAIT
[15:24] <IT_Sean> funny... if they don't have time to open a ticket, i don't have time to help them.
[15:24] * Katty drinks more tea
[15:24] <IT_Sean> No tickie, no workie
[15:25] * Katty breathes.
[15:25] <kai> unless they have an executive override
[15:25] <kai> aka they are my boss :)
[15:25] * Katty squeezes the stress ball furiously
[15:26] <IT_Sean> No, even he has to open tickets. if he is nice, i might open the ticket for him, though.
[15:26] <IT_Sean> No tickie, no workie!
[15:26] <IT_Sean> If it is not documented, it does not exist.
[15:26] <Katty> IT_Sean: i don't get to close tickets without permission
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[15:26] <Katty> IT_Sean: so i have about 200 tickets from the bossman, where he won't answer me.
[15:26] <kai> right, but I'm a microbiologist, not an IT person :)
[15:26] <Katty> IT_Sean: because he won't check his email
[15:26] <Katty> and i can't close them.
[15:26] <greppy> can you assign them to him?
[15:27] <IT_Sean> then leave them open, with the comment "Holding, pending further information from requester"
[15:27] <Katty> ha.
[15:27] <Katty> i don't think he even knows how to login to the ticket system.
[15:27] <Katty> it's kind of pathetic
[15:27] <IT_Sean> if it is not in the ticket, it does not happen.
[15:27] <kai> do you have a NEEDINFO status? :)
[15:27] <IT_Sean> this is the zen mantra of the ticket master.
[15:27] <Katty> kai: that's not the point
[15:27] <Katty> kai: the point is he won't answer me. and it's infuriating
[15:28] <Katty> kai: he asks me to schedule a meeting to 'catch up' and then he blows me off. like yesterday
[15:28] <IT_Sean> if he won't check his email, and he can't log into the ticket system, he won't KNOW that you closed them... >:)
[15:28] <Katty> no wonder i'm so bitter at work
[15:28] <kai> Katty: ew.
[15:28] <Katty> and there's only like 10 people here
[15:29] <Katty> i can't go to My Manager. i don't have one
[15:29] <Katty> i should just move to stl and be done with it
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[15:29] <Katty> but then i'd have to leave kired behind. *sigh*
[15:29] <Katty> don't wanna do that
[15:30] <IT_Sean> stl?
[15:30] <Katty> st louis
[15:30] <IT_Sean> oh.
[15:30] <IT_Sean> what the heck is there to do in Missouri?
[15:30] <kai> there's jobs in st louis?
[15:30] <Katty> IT_Sean: care for my aging parents.
[15:30] <IT_Sean> let me rephrase...
[15:30] <IT_Sean> what the heck is there to do in Missouri for fun?
[15:31] <Katty> you can have fun anywhere, doing anything, provided you're with the right people
[15:31] <tig|> and squirrels
[15:31] * Katty pulls up the feeder
[15:31] <IT_Sean> "... except in missouri." i think you will find is the end to that quote.
[15:32] <Katty> squirrel ^_^
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[15:33] <Katty> i should start putting lemon flavored vodka in my tea.
[15:33] <Katty> that sure would make me lively at work!
[15:33] <Katty> or. get me fired real quick.
[15:33] <IT_Sean> I was just about to say...
[15:33] <IT_Sean> "... you'd probably get fired."
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[15:34] <Katty> one of our sales folks comes in sloshed nearly every day
[15:34] <Katty> but because he sells a lot of stuff, they never say anything
[15:34] <Katty> we had a telemarketer for awhile that would walk across the road to the park and get high.
[15:34] <Katty> she even threw a shoe at someone here....
[15:34] <Katty> they never did antyhing about it because she did so well on the phones
[15:34] <tig|> Katty: you should have put her on a webcam :)
[15:35] <IT_Sean> I had a cowirker at The Restaurant that would come in completely sloppily wrecked in the morning, and then continue drinking through the day.
[15:35] <IT_Sean> she was dammed useless, too.
[15:35] <Katty> i feel useless.
[15:35] <Katty> i come in, every day. with a bad attitude.
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[15:35] <Katty> i act like a robot. pull up a ticket, work on it. no emotions.
[15:35] <Katty> i don't talk to anyone here. want nothing to do with people.
[15:35] <IT_Sean> She would drink enough alcohol throughout the day to pickle a sperm whale.
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[15:36] <Katty> shame. her liver is going to kill her
[15:36] <IT_Sean> Probably.
[15:36] <IT_Sean> It'll be doing the world a favor.
[15:37] <Katty> bad jobs are probably like bad relationships
[15:37] <Katty> when you finally get away from it, you go...why didn't i do that earlier?!
[15:37] <IT_Sean> That is EXACTLY what i said when i got myself fired from The Restaurant.
[15:38] <Katty> if it wasn't for kired, i really think i'd go to stl
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[15:40] <Katty> sometimes i really want out of IT stuff.
[15:40] <Katty> othertimes, idk what i'd do with myself without it
[15:42] <DeliriumTremens> You could knit.
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[15:43] <Katty> DeliriumTremens: i could, but that wont' support me full time
[15:43] * IT_Sean has a few suggestions, none of which are appropriate for #raspberrypi
[15:43] <Katty> i'm not pretty enough for that.
[15:43] <IT_Sean> i don't know what the heck you were thinking of.
[15:44] <Katty> maybe they'd let me work at the zoo!
[15:44] <Katty> i coudl take car eof penguins.
[15:44] <IT_Sean> Someone tells me it's all happening at the zoo.
[15:44] <DeliriumTremens> Surely kired could find a job in STL and you could hit the eject button from that hilly wasteland?
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[15:44] <Katty> DeliriumTremens: custody problems
[15:44] <DeliriumTremens> oh yeah
[15:44] <kai> I wouldn't they're smelly and have a nasty bite
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[15:44] <Katty> DeliriumTremens: also the house
[15:44] <DeliriumTremens> that is unfortunate
[15:45] <Katty> yep.
[15:45] * kai adds a missing , somewhere
[15:45] <Katty> kai: the smell and bite doesn't bother me
[15:45] <IT_Sean> Is he really worth it, if you are miserable in your day to day work?
[15:45] <IT_Sean> Katty: penguins also poo everywhere.
[15:45] <Katty> i don't care.
[15:45] <Katty> i have an endless amount of patience for critters.
[15:46] <tig|> they have projectile poo :)
[15:46] <Katty> lol
[15:46] <IT_Sean> ^ that
[15:46] <IT_Sean> I've seen 'em do it!
[15:46] <IT_Sean> it's disgusting.
[15:46] <tig|> there is a wonderful webcam from the penguin enclosure at Edinburgh zoo
[15:47] <tig|> and they are currently having sprogs :)
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[15:49] <Katty> IT_Sean: somedays it all feels worth it
[15:49] <Katty> IT_Sean: otherdays. specifically every other weekend...idk
[15:49] <Katty> IT_Sean: but i guess i'm fickle like that. :/
[15:50] <Katty> overall, yes. he's worth it
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[15:58] <arcanescu> Katty: sorry could not find the recipe....:( ill look again today
[15:58] <Katty> arcanescu: all good (=
[15:58] <arcanescu> Katty: also look at this great arabic salad : Fatoush
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[15:59] <arcanescu> Katty: it requires this red kind of herb thing not sure if that is available where you are
[16:00] <Katty> what's the herb?
[16:00] * Katty looks for recipe
[16:00] <arcanescu> it think its sumac
[16:00] <Katty> hmmmmm.
[16:01] <Katty> i think i can get that, at the import store
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[16:01] <IT_Sean> fatoush? there is a butt joke in there somewhere...
[16:01] * IT_Sean tries to find it
[16:02] <Katty> well i found a recipe, but there's no sumac in it
[16:02] <Katty> of course this is an american website >.<
[16:02] <Katty> why can't i just go stay with a little ole grandma in russia for a month
[16:03] <arcanescu> Katty: yea local stores dont have it you might need to go to an asian /middleastern store
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[16:16] <kai> oh, durn
[16:18] <kai> there's a nodejs library for GPIO on the pi, but I really don't like the way it handles reads
[16:18] <IT_Sean> Katty: Just stay out of the "OH GOD NOOO!" aisle.
[16:19] <Katty> that would be sweden.
[16:19] <Katty> pickled fish. pickled fish eveywhere.
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[16:20] <Otaku_> Hello guys
[16:21] <Otaku_> What is the standart Root password on raspbian?
[16:21] <Otaku_> su is no alternative, i need to directly connect as root via ssh
[16:22] <Otaku_> cuz when i connect as pi and then sudo su
[16:22] <kai> I use ssh keys for that
[16:22] <shiftplusone> Otaku_, you need to set one
[16:22] <gyeben> Katty: since I have limited gastronomy knowledge, may I ask what's pickled fish?
[16:22] <Otaku_> it don't alows X11 Forwarding anymore
[16:22] <kai> but you can probably just connect as "pi", then sudo -i and set one
[16:22] <chithead> http://elinux.org/RPi_Distributions has a list of default passwords
[16:22] <Katty> gyeben: i believe it is fish that has been soaked in vinegar and salt
[16:22] <Katty> gyeben: i can't say i've been brave enough to try it
[16:23] <kai> they also have fermented fish, not for the faint of heart, nose and stomach
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[16:26] <Otaku_> works fine thx
[16:27] <Otaku_> I read a lot of articles about jdownloader is not working on hte pi is that right?
[16:27] <Otaku_> i cant find it via apt-cache.
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[16:28] <Katty> kai: i hear these things are an aquired taste
[16:28] <Katty> kai: but if you grew up around it, it probably just seems normal
[16:29] <kai> I guess so
[16:30] <kai> I mean after all I eat fermented milk and drink fermented grapes all the time :)
[16:30] <Katty> mmm
[16:30] <Katty> sour cream
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[17:21] <steve_rox> damn its hot
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[17:21] <SirLagz> it's cold here...and raining.
[17:22] <IT_Sean> It's hot & sunny here! :D
[17:22] <steve_rox> im going to try rig up some old pc fans in a grid formation
[17:22] <SirLagz> I wish it was hot and sunny here lol
[17:22] <steve_rox> they 5000 rpm each
[17:23] <SirLagz> lol. noisy much
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[17:23] <steve_rox> a lot
[17:24] <steve_rox> but it blows air so much its worth it
[17:24] <steve_rox> hard to get fast fans like that these days
[17:24] <xmath279> Hi guys, my Raspberry Pi won't boot up Raspbmc today. It used to bootup yesterday with the exact same SD card. Is there anything I can do about it? I tried with another SD card that has Debian Wheezy on it and it does not boot up on it either.
[17:24] <steve_rox> led light up?
[17:25] <xmath279> yes and one green led lights up for 3 seconds
[17:25] <xmath279> the red one is up
[17:26] <steve_rox> some sd issue?
[17:27] <xmath279> well i assume it is since it was booting up yesterday with the same sd card
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[17:27] <xmath279> but is there anything i can do about it?
[17:27] <steve_rox> yeah probly
[17:27] <steve_rox> if i was not overheating and melting i could prob think clearer
[17:28] <steve_rox> help him ppl
[17:28] <SirLagz> reflash and go from there.
[17:28] <tig|> xmath279: have you got another powersupply you can test with?
[17:28] <xmath279> i dont think my raspberry pi uses the power of the microusb port
[17:28] <xmath279> it is powered with the usb hub
[17:29] <xmath279> that is plugged in a normal usb port
[17:29] <tig|> xmath279: ah
[17:29] <tig|> that could be the problem
[17:29] <tig|> the pi needs around 700mah and standard USB from a computer is usually capped at 500mah
[17:30] <arcanescu> how do you get your articles featured on the RPI web ?
[17:30] <arcanescu> do i need to contact liz? O-o?
[17:30] <IT_Sean> You do a properly cool thing and hope it is deemed worthy
[17:30] <xmath279> tig| that was it but i dont get why yesterday it was working with the exact same setup
[17:31] <EasyAt> tig|: can you while 2 usb ports in parallel on the hub and power rpi with an amp
[17:31] <EasyAt> s/while/wire
[17:31] <xmath279> oh well as soon as i plugged back the usb hub, the rpi shuts off
[17:31] <arcanescu> IT_Sean: my wall project is way cooler than the guys from CCFE
[17:31] <arcanescu> IT_Sean: they dont have live video ... I do from the PI cam so ....
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[17:32] <shiftplusone> arcanescu, you can send it in, sure. Some are sent directly to liz, some people post on the forum and she picks it up from there.
[17:32] <arcanescu> shiftplusone: could you let me know email or id for liz.... cant seem to find it on forums
[17:32] <arcanescu> thank you!!
[17:33] <shiftplusone> arcanescu, 'course don't open with "POST MY AWESOME PROJECT ON THE FRONT PAGE!" sort of deal.
[17:33] <arcanescu> I know :) ... ill be sure to mention details
[17:34] <shiftplusone> arcanescu, liz@raspberrypi.org or 'liz' on the forum. I wouldn't frame it as a request to get on the front page, but more of a... hey, here's a cool thing I did >.>
[17:34] <arcanescu> yup.... thats exactly what I am going to do... I dont want it on the front page... just to know hey you can do that too with a pi kind of thing
[17:35] <shiftplusone> good luck
[17:36] <arcanescu> thank you :)
[17:38] * Katty searches for something to do
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[17:41] <shiftplusone> Katty, how about witting an algorithm that runs through a set of data and makes three separate groups. It can only run through the data once and the memory usage and clock cycles need to be kept to a minimum. That sounds like fun... right?
[17:42] * tig| fires up the squirrelca... wait OH NOES! :<
[17:42] <Otaku_> I did this http://paste.ubuntu.com/5881239/ to install pyload.
[17:42] <Otaku_> How can i start in in GUI mode?
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[17:42] * tig| opens up ticket in Katty's queue "AWOOGA AWOOGA SQUIRREL CAM IS DOWN"
[17:43] * IT_Sean sends Katty all of his open tickets (about 15 of them).
[17:43] <Otaku_> I only have pyLoadCore and pyLoadCli listet when i type pyLoad TAB
[17:43] <arcanescu> shiftplusone; grouping based on what? or that needs to be determined by looking at the data?
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[17:44] <RaTTuS|BIG> one was last updated 11 months ago
[17:44] <arcanescu> shiftplusone: dont know about clock cycles since it will run through the data once ... you are still looking at a time complexity of O(n)
[17:44] <arcanescu> regardless i.e
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[17:46] <shiftplusone> arcanescu, for example, the data may be 3 23 4 26 5 98. By looking at it, it's obvious that there are three groups (the low values, 3-5, 23-26 and 98). The actual data has thousands of data points. While the peaks are obvious, there is a little overlap in the 'groups'. Hang on, I'll send a screenshot that may explain it better.
[17:47] <arcanescu> okay
[17:49] <shiftplusone> arcanescu, the frequency graph looks like this https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/175702/freq.png . I need to determine parameters that will look at each data point and say which group it belongs to.
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[17:52] <arcanescu> hmmm
[17:53] <shiftplusone> arcanescu, what I have so far is this: I know that at the start of the data there is a train of short pulses. I take a moving average of those to determine the first group. I know the ratio between the short, medium and long values, to I group the rest based on a tolerance of +/- 0.1*ideal. However, I can't always make those assumptions, so while it's good enough for now, it would be nice to be
[17:53] <shiftplusone> able to do it without the assumptions.
[17:53] <shiftplusone> *so I group...
[17:53] <arcanescu> i dont think so it would be possible w.o assumptions or you being able to do a look ahead on data
[17:54] <arcanescu> maybe even do a sort on it
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[17:54] <shiftplusone> I suppose multiple runs through the data would be ok.
[17:55] <arcanescu> yes.... or you can go through a hash table.... /dictionary approach
[17:55] <arcanescu> assign weightage to each data point as you through the data.
[17:56] <arcanescu> or an approx *group* you think it might belong it.... if it doesnt seem appropriate for the group in the hash table assign it *unknown*
[17:56] <arcanescu> or not yet determined
[17:57] <arcanescu> once you have completed your run now work through the unknown to find the best fit.... less clock cycles but a diff data struct
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[17:59] <shiftplusone> how about this... I know the overall spread of values, the values of interest would be between 20 and 70, for example. I run through the data, making a frequency table for the 50 elements of interest. Then I can find the peaks and use the minimums as a delimiter.
[18:00] <arcanescu> that could work.... in one run you would have peaks
[18:02] <arcanescu> shiftplusone: im not sure about the complexity of your problem or you would like to overkill or not ... but im sure there must be some "cluestering" algorithms online
[18:03] <shiftplusone> I haven't studied algorithms as a topic in itself, so every discussion I find includes notation and equations that make me think "ahm... what i have now if fine >.>"
[18:04] <shiftplusone> Alright, thanks for the help. I'll note it all down for when the current approach fails me.
[18:04] <shiftplusone> *is
[18:04] <shiftplusone> Can't type today, apparently.
[18:05] <arcanescu> K Means algorithm look at that yea they are hard to understand let alone code
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[18:07] <shiftplusone> Makes perfect sense >_< https://upload.wikimedia.org/math/5/4/9/54955559a10427729cf5d8a7310ade1c.png
[18:07] <shiftplusone> Thanks again, I'll go read through the info on it.
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[18:10] <arcanescu> :).... id look for C snippets or languages you are trying to code in that would help.
[18:11] <shiftplusone> Yup, there are plenty of plain English and code examples out there for it, good find.
[18:11] <shiftplusone> It seems to be for 2D data points, but I haven't read too much into it yet.
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[18:13] <shiftplusone> "In one-dimension, a good way to quantize realvalued variables into k non-uniform buckets" yay
[18:13] <IT_Sean> o_O
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[18:14] <shiftplusone> O_o
[18:14] <Katty> i uhh.
[18:14] <Katty> i got the bucket part.
[18:14] <IT_Sean> he lost me at "In"
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[18:14] <Katty> one dimension is a dot
[18:14] <Katty> quantize is...to count, i think
[18:14] <IT_Sean> you lost me at "one"
[18:14] <Katty> real valued variables
[18:15] <Katty> a good way to count... dots
[18:15] <arcanescu> shiftplusone: (y) ... i learened this at in algos at uni.... used it in one project aswell... hence i remebered it...
[18:15] * IT_Sean accuses shiftplusone of transmitting nulls
[18:15] <Katty> is to put them into... piles?
[18:15] <Katty> non uniform buckets
[18:15] <Katty> seems like different sized piles
[18:15] <shiftplusone> Katty, aye!
[18:15] <Katty> piles of dots
[18:15] <Katty> so why are we counting dots again?
[18:16] <shiftplusone> Katty, to figure out which bucket to put them in! =D
[18:16] * IT_Sean still thinks shiftplusone is transmitting nulls
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[18:16] <Katty> but the piles are non uniform
[18:16] <Katty> it doesn't matter which pile we put them in
[18:16] * IT_Sean hands shiftplusone a pile of dots
[18:16] <shiftplusone> We need to determine the buckets as well =D
[18:17] <Katty> i think you're going to need to do that in a different dimension
[18:17] <Katty> due to bucks being larger than 1 dot
[18:17] <shiftplusone> wha?
[18:19] <shiftplusone> arcanescu, I wasn't being serious when I asked, but good thing that I did then. I am studying electrical engineering, so I haven't done many programming or computer science subjects.
[18:21] <Katty> buckets.
[18:21] <Katty> a series of dots, is no longer 1 dimensional
[18:21] <Katty> so if you're going to put dots into piles...
[18:21] <Katty> that's not the 1st dimension
[18:21] <IT_Sean> see!? shiftplusone has managed to confuse himself. I told you he was talking rubbish.
[18:21] <Katty> if it's just length, that'd be 2d
[18:21] <Katty> but if your piles contain both length/height and width...
[18:21] <Katty> then you're going to have a hard time figuring out your buckets on a 1d plane
[18:21] <IT_Sean> No you wont. The extra dots will just sort of spill over the side.
[18:21] <Katty> that denotes a 3d plane
[18:21] * IT_Sean denotes a 3d plane on Katty's face
[18:21] <Katty> dots don't have anywhere to spill on a 2d plane
[18:21] <Katty> they just go on and on, in a straight line, forever
[18:21] <IT_Sean> how incredibly orderly. ...and dull.
[18:21] <Katty> and in a 1d plane. you don't have dots. there's just A dot
[18:21] <atouk> a dot defines a position, but it could be in any planespace
[18:21] <atouk> 1d = line
[18:21] <Katty> i mean dimension, not a plane
[18:21] <IT_Sean> I still have NO IDEA what you two are talking about.
[18:21] <Katty> math.
[18:21] <atouk> math is hard
[18:21] <Katty> it's also insanely amazing
[18:21] <IT_Sean> I never liked math when i was a student.
[18:21] <Katty> IT_Sean: take a piece of paper, and draw two stick figures on it
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[18:21] <IT_Sean> Katty: Im in a paperless office.
[18:22] <Katty> IT_Sean: then pretend
[18:22] <Katty> IT_Sean: that piece of paper is a 2 dimension universe.
[18:22] <arcanescu> shiftplusone: I see all the feilds are somehow for some reason converging on CS
[18:22] <Katty> IT_Sean: fold the paper in half, and run a pencil through it
[18:22] <arcanescu> shiftplusone: seems like you cant do anything these days w/o sw
[18:22] <Katty> IT_Sean: the stick figures see two 'dots' in their 2 dimensional world
[18:22] <Katty> IT_Sean: but we know that the pencil is actually a 3 dimension object inside a 2 dimensional world
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[18:23] <atouk> read Flatland. much clearer
[18:23] * IT_Sean is confused
[18:23] <Katty> IT_Sean: seriously? you don't have any paper?
[18:23] <Katty> IT_Sean: a post it note?
[18:23] <shiftplusone> Katty, by one dimensional data, they actually mean that the individual data points are defined by one value. Yes, the overall data set is two dimensional (x, y).
[18:23] <IT_Sean> thats what paperless means, Katty
[18:23] * Katty sighs
[18:23] <Katty> you're killin me smalls.
[18:23] <IT_Sean> We're bein' all green and junk.
[18:23] <atouk> she cheated by folding her 2d univers through 3d spase onto itself
[18:23] <IT_Sean> It's all in the cloud!
[18:24] <Katty> atouk: if only we could step outside of our 3 dimension world, into the 4th, and fold our 'paper' in half
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[18:24] <Katty> atouk: we'd never need cars ever again
[18:25] <arcanescu> atouk: Touch'e
[18:25] <atouk> but our gues would fall out through the crease
[18:25] <atouk> (guts)
[18:25] <IT_Sean> that would suck.
[18:25] <IT_Sean> I like driving. :(
[18:25] <Katty> yes, there would be a perminent crease
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[18:25] <Katty> it might even rip after so many folds
[18:25] <atouk> only a good pair of pants should have a permanent crease
[18:25] <Katty> ok, we'll go the photon route
[18:25] <Katty> i can dig some spooky entangelment ^_^
[18:26] <atouk> is spooky entanglement where two ghosts neet at 3d crease and get tied together?
[18:26] <Katty> or we could the time warp again!
[18:27] <arcanescu> There were no ghosts....
[18:27] <Katty> no, that's when they split a photon and send it up to fiber obtic channels
[18:27] <Katty> optic.
[18:27] <arcanescu> they disappeared as soon as you started to peak
[18:27] <arcanescu> peek*
[18:27] <Katty> and they always do the same thing, regardless of how far apart
[18:27] <shiftplusone> Katty, a little bit of an oversimplification >_<
[18:27] <Katty> there's two theories for spooky entanglement.
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[18:28] <atouk> iv'e slpit infinitives, but not photons
[18:28] <Katty> 1. there is some sort of "radio" type wave, that keeps them connected. constantly. it would have to transmit faster than the speed of light.
[18:28] <Katty> 2. photons are 4 dimensional objects, which we see as 3d. when you split one in a 3 dimensional world, they don't actually split in the 4th.
[18:28] <Katty> at least that was the last ones i read about. course it's been awhile.
[18:28] <Katty> shiftplusone: this is true.
[18:29] <Katty> shiftplusone: but i was trying to explain to IT_Sean
[18:29] <atouk> bah, superstrings 10 dimensions
[18:29] <Katty> string theory is HOT
[18:29] <Katty> i wish i vibrated differently, how awesome would that be?
[18:29] <shiftplusone> Katty, then you need to dumb it down much further!
[18:29] <atouk> try new batteries
[18:29] <Katty> also, on the topic of vibrations...
[18:29] <IT_Sean> atouk: easy there.
[18:29] <Katty> wouldn't be epic if we could just stop electrons?
[18:29] <atouk> (sorry)
[18:29] <Katty> hey look a wall!
[18:29] <Katty> let's just stop the electrons for a minute.
[18:29] <Katty> look, 99% of the wall is gone!
[18:29] * Katty walks through, turns electrons back on
[18:30] <tig|> if you stopped all the electrons you pi would turn off and probably have to fsck on reboot
[18:30] <tig|> your pi....
[18:30] <tig|> :P
[18:31] <shiftplusone> you'd have bigger problems than that if you turned off electrons D=
[18:32] <Katty> electrons just buzz about the place around the nucleaus
[18:32] <Katty> they just move so fast, everything around us /seems/ solid. it's really not
[18:33] <IT_Sean> Katty: please promise me you will NOT try that.
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[18:33] <Katty> why not? :P
[18:33] <IT_Sean> I am so not in the mood for an apocalypse.
[18:33] <Katty> well you'd only have to stop a /portion/ of the wall
[18:33] <Katty> you mean keep them from moving?
[18:33] <atouk> stopping the electrons would cause a system error, and the universe would reboot
[18:33] <Katty> why? what happens when an electron stops pinging about the place?
[18:33] <Katty> maybe that's what the big bang was about. someone figured out how to hit the pause button on an electron
[18:33] <IT_Sean> bad things.
[18:33] <Katty> seriously tho.
[18:33] <Katty> 97% of all atoms aren't there.
[18:33] <Katty> it's just electrons going nuts.
[18:33] <Katty> like w hen i've had too much caffeine and have way too many tickets
[18:33] <Katty> if you stopped them, 97% of the mass would disappear
[18:33] <arcanescu> or electrons ..... jsut high on something
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[18:34] * Katty thinks
[18:34] <Katty> what if we used magnets
[18:34] <shiftplusone> even more fun when you think of electrons as excitations in a field
[18:34] <arcanescu> do protons try catchup lines on electrons? O_o?
[18:34] <Katty> they have a charge, right?
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[18:34] <Katty> maybe we can use magnets to turn the wall into nothing
[18:34] <atouk> and all the the mass without electron activity would either fissure with the free neucli bouncing off each other, or fuse as the cohesed into a single mass without the electron activity to hold them in place
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[18:35] <atouk> (as the free neucli)
[18:36] <Katty> hmm, point
[18:36] <Katty> ok. what if we tried absolute zero?
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[18:36] <Katty> atouk: that might cause a microscopic black hole
[18:36] <Katty> OMG IT_Sean IS RIGHT
[18:36] <IT_Sean> TOLD YOU!
[18:36] <Katty> or it eat, very slowly
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[18:36] <Katty> ok, new plan. we will convert molecules into oxygen and then back again
[18:37] <IT_Sean> Katty: I swear to dog... if you bring about the end of days, i will hunt you down and peel you like a grape.
[18:37] <shiftplusone> Can we just keep physics as they are for now?
[18:37] <atouk> ah, then we could make the lead into gold and we'd all be rich
[18:37] <tig|> I have a book called "How to teach quantum physics to your dog" I highly recommend it
[18:38] <Katty> can't we already do that?
[18:38] <Katty> seems like a university was changing something into gold
[18:39] <atouk> a few atoms. cost came out to severl billion dollars an ounce
[18:39] <Katty> but we can do it
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[18:39] <Katty> atouk: we're alchemists.
[18:39] <Katty> kind of.
[18:39] <atouk> so was newton
[18:39] <atouk> i have a very stupid dog
[18:39] <Katty> i would probably benefit from reading it.
[18:39] <Katty> physics is some cool stuff, but i don't understand a lot of it
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[18:39] <atouk> nobody understands physics. not even physicians
[18:40] <shiftplusone> >_<
[18:40] <Katty> he means a physicist
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[18:40] <Katty> fizz assist
[18:40] <arcanescu> atouk: because its all hypothetical
[18:41] <arcanescu> atouk: let me rephrase... "though experiments"
[18:41] <arcanescu> *thought
[18:41] <Katty> but the things we have discovered... blows my mind
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[18:41] <arcanescu> and when these *thought* experiments are put in the real world most of the proposed models collapse
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[18:41] <arcanescu> and we are back to the drawing board
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[18:41] <Katty> gotta start somewhere!
[18:41] <Katty> i love science.
[18:42] <atouk> God has a nickname for physics: Trolling
[18:42] <arcanescu> i know that because my freind is doing a phd in quantum physics... he admitted himself ... most of what we do is just talk
[18:42] <shiftplusone> To be fair theories, in the correct sense of the word, have been applied in the real world and have always given the predicted result.
[18:42] <Katty> we discovered a 14th moon around neptune, developed a probe that can withstand 20,000 gravities...
[18:42] <Katty> i wonder if we can go to jupiter now :> probably not. maybe deeper in the ocean tho
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[18:42] <arcanescu> yet we could not elimante hunger from the world
[18:43] <arcanescu> irony
[18:43] <arcanescu> eliminate*
[18:43] <Katty> that's not science's fault
[18:43] <Katty> that's human greed
[18:43] <shiftplusone> arcanescu, quantum physics, as a theory, is 100% sound. Every experiment has confirmed it. The thing that nobody understands is how to interpret it.
[18:43] <arcanescu> Katty: just saying... resources could be put to use elsewhere
[18:43] <arcanescu> nothing to do with greed
[18:43] <shiftplusone> interpretations are not he theories.
[18:43] <tig|> Newton was not always a genius... he is said to have invented the cat flap, but there is a story that he made two different sized flaps, one for the adult cat and then a smaller one for the kittens... it is said that he felt like a right idiot when the kittens followed their mum through the larger cat flap. It is an amusing story anyway :)
[18:43] <atouk> yup and as soon as they set up an experiment to prove one thing, somebody does another one that creates an exception
[18:44] <arcanescu> shiftplusone: models are... they lead up to it... and they promise and they promise
[18:44] <arcanescu> shiftplusone: look at what happend with the God forsaken god particle....
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[18:45] <arcanescu> they keep claiming ... this is what is and its that ... none of the theories really stick
[18:45] <atouk> god particle? "we're gonna need a bigger collider" is their wirking model, and always will be
[18:45] <arcanescu> atouk: exactly
[18:45] <arcanescu> atouck; give me more money
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[18:45] <arcanescu> to build a bigger collider
[18:46] <arcanescu> there are sceintific lobbyists around which are beyond comprehension...
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[18:46] <tig|> arcanescu: they missed a trick with that, they should have just looked for it's anti-matter opposite, would have been much faster..... You could have just picked up the lead, shouted "Walkies" and the dog particle would have come to them :)
[18:46] <shiftplusone> arcanescu, at this stage, it's a Higgs-like particle. I am not sure any serious physicist is saying that it's exactly what was predicted (yet). But, i don't have enough knowledge to assess the situation anyway, so I'll leave it to them.
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[18:47] <arcanescu> shiftplusone: thats the point there are over 100000 proposed/predicted models on how the particle should behave and or what it is... none of them sticks...
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[18:47] <shiftplusone> arcanescu, if that's the case, that's awesome! A chance to learn something new
[18:48] <arcanescu> sure... at the expense of ?
[18:48] <atouk> collider size isn't about money, it's about power. everytime they go up a magnitude in power, they have to change the model because of somethign they observe
[18:48] <arcanescu> *insert the world is unfair theory here*
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[18:49] <atouk> it's not that the universe is unfair. it just doesn't give a crap
[18:49] <shiftplusone> bah... pessimists. >_<
[18:50] <atouk> the universe is like a 17 yer old kid yelling at physicists "you're not the boss of me!"
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[19:15] <pwillard> wow me too... whew!
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[19:30] <shiftplusone> nothing to see here, move along
[19:31] * Katty looks over IT_Sean's shoulder
[19:31] * IT_Sean turns jis monitors off
[19:31] <IT_Sean> *his
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[19:32] <Katty> hmmph.
[19:32] <IT_Sean> confidential data, yo!
[19:33] <IT_Sean> go back to your novel. :p
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[19:34] <CeilingKitten> >.> Deja Vu, Katty seems to like looking over your shoulder.
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[19:44] * IT_Sean hands shiftplusone a bucket of 1 dimensional dots
[19:44] <bts__> hello, my sd card suddenly became readonly (whatever the lock switch positon is), what can I do?
[19:44] * shiftplusone starts sorting
[19:44] <bts__> I've already made a backup with dd
[19:44] <IT_Sean> it's nothing to do with the lock switch, the raspi does not read that.
[19:45] <shiftplusone> bts__, figuring out why would be the first step. Check your TP1-TP2 voltage, run fsck and so on.
[19:45] <shiftplusone> I think you can just run fsck and be fine.
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[19:49] <bts__> fsck.vfat asked about sdb1 (fat) says it's fine, as well as fsck asked about sdb2 (ext)
[19:49] <shiftplusone> only sdb2 is of interest
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[19:50] <bts__> hm, you got me wrong... I'm now trying to access the card from other linux (with sd card reader), sorry, my inquiry was not exact
[19:51] <shiftplusone> ah, which partition is read only and how are you mounting it?
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[19:55] <bts__> shiftplusone, both partitions are read only - mounted automatically by ubuntu as well as manually (after umount) by mount -o rw /dev/sdb1 /...
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[19:55] <bts__> mount says it's locked
[19:55] <poli> Hello my good people of #raspberrypi!
[19:55] <CeilingKitten> bts__, maybe try sudo mount -o remount,rw /dev/sdb2
[19:56] <poli> So, why isn't the Xenomai image under http://downloads.raspberrypi.org/images/ ? ;)
[19:56] * shiftplusone looks around for good people.
[19:56] <CeilingKitten> ^ i know thats how i remounted drive when rooting my phone
[19:56] <CeilingKitten> whats xenomai?
[19:56] <shiftplusone> poli, why would it be? O_o
[19:57] <CeilingKitten> poli, thanks i shall add it to my massive list of random distros
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[19:57] <poli> Well if you check the link, there are already all of the other I know there. Including some pretty obscure I didn't even know of...
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[19:57] <poli> I suppose it is a place to gather all the images available, no? Given that the Xenomai release was announced on the blog and such.
[19:59] <CeilingKitten> Poli The best list is on a facebook group im on we got like 60-70 distros, remixes, appliances, etc,.xenomai realtime? so its like rtos ?
[19:59] <bts__> CeilingKitten: on bad, it claims that it can't be remounted r-w :<
[19:59] <poli> CeilingKitten: Xenomai is a "patch" (not really!, but lets it that) for the Linux Kernel that generated a true real-time Linux system.
[19:59] <poli> CeilingKitten: It is, yes.
[19:59] <CeilingKitten> poli, im a uber new on kernels, what benefit is this? to people using the software side of the pi, or is this mostly for the GPIO folks?
[19:59] <poli> CeilingKitten: And according to this paper, the best RT guy for linux: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CCsQFjAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.osadl.org%2Ffileadmin%2Fdam%2Frtlws%2F12%2FBrown.pdf&ei=A4rlUbHtNZPJ4APv3ICYCg&usg=AFQjCNFupINUeMZQJXkDB-R6HBr_Xe1OYw&bvm=bv.48705608,d.dmg
[20:00] <CeilingKitten> it sounds like it be geared to robots and realtime movement math etc,.
[20:00] <poli> err not that link
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[20:00] <CeilingKitten> haha Poli AlittlePrivacy Addon, prevents google from doing that, i hate those tracking links >_<
[20:00] <CeilingKitten> =)
[20:01] <poli> CeilingKitten: it is actually this link, if you are interested: https://www.osadl.org/fileadmin/dam/rtlws/12/Brown.pdf
[20:01] <CeilingKitten> i'll give it a glance through =)
[20:02] <bts__> it's all nonsense... I put it in raspberry, turned on, turned off, ejected, then put it in sd card reader... WORKS
[20:02] <shiftplusone> poli, idk what it is exactly, but it's not the go-to place to download all available distros that run on the raspberry pi. I see it more as the place where they host a few of the distros they recommend on the main download page and also a few others, without any specific criteria.
[20:02] <bts__> ;f
[20:03] <poli> shiftplusone: I see. Well, such a place would be nice, no? ;)
[20:03] <pwillard> so is there a single place for all distro's?
[20:03] <shiftplusone> poli, I don't think that page is even meant for the general public, since they put stuff there before announcing it (for example, NOOBS, which was meant to be 'secret').
[20:04] <shiftplusone> poli, the elinux wiki has a good list of rpi distros and links to where they can be found.
[20:04] <poli> shiftplusone: I am pretty sure I got there googling something.
[20:04] <shiftplusone> http://elinux.org/RPi_Distributions
[20:04] <poli> wow that's a lot of distros
[20:06] <poli> raspbian server edition... I like it...
[20:06] <shiftplusone> Keep in mind that they are not all maintained
[20:06] <pwillard> probably tiny compared to regular raspian
[20:07] <sney> raspbian "server edition" is probably just regular raspbian without the desktop task installed.
[20:08] <pwillard> aha, I was right: Server ==> A few people wanted a 1 GB image for Raspbian Server Edition, and I finally got around to putting it together !
[20:08] <CeilingKitten> server edition has no x11 components or other stuff i believe
[20:08] <sney> +- some clown's leet custom1z3d config files for extra fun surprises when you try to set something up
[20:08] <pwillard> nice idea
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[20:09] <shiftplusone> plugwash makes a proper minimal image, without the foundation stuff on top.
[20:09] <shiftplusone> http://plugwash.raspbian.org/images/
[20:09] <sney> he does. he hasn't for a while, though. I wound up debootstrapping my own. took a while but was worth the experience
[20:09] <CeilingKitten> >_< Lolcats linux, alias icanhaz="sudo apt-get install", alias donotwant="sudo apt-get purge"
[20:09] <shiftplusone> ah
[20:10] <sney> you kids and your sudo
[20:10] <pwillard> The distro I didn't know about till just now that sounds interesting is Raspberry Pi Thin Client project.
[20:10] <IT_Sean> sney: sudo get me a chocolate bar
[20:10] <CeilingKitten> should i be using Su or logging in as root?
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[20:10] <CeilingKitten> Oh pwillard there is thinclient, there is a few kiosk ones, that are boot to a web browser only too
[20:10] <shiftplusone> sney, do you have a script to roll your own image or do you just do it manually every time?
[20:10] <sney> you can do whatever you want, just learn what sudo/su/etc are and don't get into that habit of including sudo in every freaking command
[20:10] <pwillard> muahaha... give root a password if you dare... :-P
[20:10] <bts__> no... I don't get it... I can remove files from sd card, but I can't move them into, write
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[20:11] <sney> shiftplusone: I did it manually once and kept the .img I came up with. when I toast a SD card, I flash another one with the same image, boot, upgrade with apt
[20:11] <bts__> could sd card be just broken? is there anything to break?
[20:11] <sney> bts__: yes, SD cards die. keep spares. I'm on my 3rd.
[20:11] <shiftplusone> ah ok
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[20:11] <bts__> sney: damn, but it's only about a month old
[20:11] <CeilingKitten> the RPI ignores the read switch, but the machien you are on may not? double check the rw/ro switch on the card and then try mount -o remount,rw /dev/sdb2
[20:12] <pwillard> I managed to have a card that would let me do a build... work a few hours then just freak out and need reformatting. Kingston 133 Ultra if I recall
[20:12] <shiftplusone> CeilingKitten, he's reading it on the pc with a usb reader.
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[20:12] <CeilingKitten> ^ i know =) thats why im saying double check the rw switch,
[20:12] <bts__> CeilingKitten: did it already many times
[20:12] <sney> bts__: it doesn't seem to have anything to do with age, just luck. they make a crapton of SD cards and the QA doesn't keep up. Then the kind of i/o a Pi does with the card finds the problem much faster than you would with, for instance, a digital camera
[20:12] <shiftplusone> ah, I think I am done reading for today.
[20:12] <CeilingKitten> =|
[20:13] <CeilingKitten> ok shiftplusone =) enjoy your eye break
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[20:13] <shiftplusone> >.> sure, thanks
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[20:24] <pwillard> So I'm looking at the distro comparison and feel daft... what is armhf?
[20:25] <pronto> theres this website
[20:25] <sney> arm hard float. it's the cpu architecture of the raspberry pi.
[20:25] <pronto> called google
[20:25] <IT_Sean> it's short for armpit hair fluffing
[20:25] <pronto> which you can search for thse things
[20:25] <pronto> its pretty cool
[20:25] <IT_Sean> pronto: hush
[20:26] <pronto> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARMhf wikipedia even has something to say about it
[20:26] <CeilingKitten> arm soft float, does weak math, arm hard float does physic, and nerdy mind bending math.
[20:26] <pwillard> Aha! Hardware float... the only imopact to me... the reason I Java gets upset.
[20:26] * CeilingKitten is unsure what she is talking about
[20:27] <CeilingKitten> JAava is Softfloat ABI
[20:27] <pronto> java on a rpi...*shudders*
[20:27] <sney> the tricky thing is that the raspberry pi is armv6, so if something is armv7 hard float, it won't work. see: debian
[20:27] <CeilingKitten> java is eww =(,
[20:27] <IT_Sean> ^ that
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[20:27] <pwillard> yes, after I first looked into it... I decided no.
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[20:27] <CeilingKitten> hardfloat is best float
[20:27] <pronto> rootbeerfloat is best float
[20:28] <ozzzy> creamsoadafloat is best float
[20:28] <ozzzy> with less a's
[20:28] <pwillard> and pronto... I am not google impaired just thought it was a quick "get the right answer here" sort og thing.
[20:28] <CeilingKitten> although if you use Softfloat ABI, you can install java, I2P, or that VPN from that company that bought hamachi i believe has a compatible deb file for arm soft
[20:28] <pronto> pwillard: more often then not a 'what is ____' google will be quickest
[20:28] <CeilingKitten> im not overly excited about any of those though
[20:29] <pwillard> I guess I'll wait for the dust to settle withg floating point... I'm in no rush.
[20:29] <vasundhar> Is there a way to move the video ahead of time, like fwd, but based on time to say 2:40 etc
[20:29] <CeilingKitten> I think i saw in the forum someone working on some sort of dual float or swappable system, not sure i could have read wrong
[20:30] <vasundhar> web remote doesn't work nor the on screen fwd etc.,
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[20:31] <vasundhar> I can click >> volume gets muted, display shows unto 32x but video doesn't seem fast enough to make any significant difference
[20:31] <poli> shiftplusone: plugwash, that's raspbian extra small?
[20:32] <CeilingKitten> I believe he said plugwash had noone of the foundation extras, python games, scratch, etc,.
[20:32] <sney> plugwash is a person. Specifically, plugwash is the raspbian developer. He made some images a few months ago that are just raspbian.
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[20:35] <poli> sney: so keeping them up-to-date with a apt-get upgrade is fine?
[20:35] <sney> should be, yes
[20:37] <CeilingKitten> so if i have an image thats like a year old and i apt-get update && upgrade && dist-upgrage i should be safe as can be?
[20:37] <geordie> CeilingKitten: debian is awesome that way
[20:38] <ozzzy> My Pi is where I want it... I don't want upgrade or dist-upgrade breaking it
[20:39] <CeilingKitten> I have an alias in my .bash_profile to run update upgrade dist-upgrade and firmware update just by typing updates =)
[20:39] <CeilingKitten> hasnt broke mine yet
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[20:39] <ozzzy> ahhh... I'm running a custom kernel
[20:39] <CeilingKitten> ^ ah
[20:39] <poli> CeilingKitten: some 10 years ago a dist-upgrade had a good chance of breaking your install. I suppose those days are over now.
[20:40] <CeilingKitten> I run the defaults, what have you customized for ozzzy ? squashfs, or some fancy kernel addons?
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[20:48] <ozzzy> it's setup for USBIP
[20:48] <ozzzy> I didn't compile it.... but I'd hate to lose it in an update
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[20:57] <CeilingKitten> @ ozzzy, if you don't mind me asking how does USBIP perform for you? The throughput would be all on the ethernet, and the writing done by a remote cpu/drive, is it big difference in latency or cpu requirements? I was mounting samba and webdavs, for a single user but usbip maybe more sufficient.
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[20:59] <ozzzy> CeilingKitten: it works great for me
[20:59] <ozzzy> I run my DSLRs live view and a handful of usb->serial dongles through it
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[21:01] <CeilingKitten> hmm, thanks for your input, i'll be looking into that =) i've already found a guide on the official forums for a sourceforge version =)
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[21:03] <CeilingKitten> Todays project was make my own fancy motd, but usbip added to the list =)
[21:05] <CeilingKitten> seen some hilariously evil admin motd's too
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[21:11] <apo_> hi
[21:11] <apo_> does anybody know the temp/humidity tolerances of the rpi?
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[21:16] <IT_Sean> Not too hot, and not too wet.
[21:16] <pronto> apo_: its probably documented somewhere, or on a forum, but i log my cpu temp: http://raspberry.bagels.xxx/templog.php seems to run fine at 50c
[21:16] <apo_> IT_Sean: Great. How about 70 to 80% RH? :P
[21:16] <shiftplusone> apo_, ambient temperature or cpu core temp?
[21:17] <IT_Sean> apo_: Temperature wise: if it turns off, it's too hot. If condensation forms on it, it's too humid.
[21:17] <apo_> pronto: Temp's probably not much of a problem, humidity might be
[21:17] <apo_> shiftplusone: ambient
[21:17] <shiftplusone> no idea then
[21:17] <apo_> But I don't expect ambient to be above 36°C
[21:17] <apo_> I'm mostly concerned about humidity
[21:17] <shiftplusone> then you're fine
[21:17] <IT_Sean> what are you planning to do with it, apo_, that you are worried by humidity?
[21:18] <shiftplusone> while I don't know, I am sure that unless you're getting condensation or droplets forming on it, it's fine.
[21:18] <pronto> would be neat to get humidty sensor
[21:18] <apo_> IT_Sean: Well, it's not really a problem - I want to build an incubator, and if I can safely put the rpi in the incubator itself, I will.
[21:18] <apo_> IT_Sean: but if not, I'll just put it on the outside.
[21:18] <IT_Sean> I would mount it externally.
[21:18] <pronto> http://www.adafruit.com/blog/2012/11/02/example-for-using-gpio-gcc-libraries-on-a-pi-for-temphumidity-sensor-data-piday-raspberrypi-raspberry_pi/ ooo
[21:19] <apo_> pronto: It will have a humidity sensor ;)
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[21:19] * IT_Sean pokes ChanServ with a rusty nail
[21:19] * ChanServ sets mode +o IT_Sean
[21:19] <pronto> o_o
[21:20] * pronto hides
[21:20] <IT_Sean> relax pronto.
[21:20] <apo_> My parents just completed their breeding pair of tortoises, and I want to gift them an incubator with temperatur and humidity control, and a web interface with stats and a live stream
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[21:20] <apo_> also email notification for when the hatching starts :)
[21:20] <shiftplusone> pronto, don't worry, he just likes to be opped all the time to assert his dominance.
[21:20] <atouk> add a tourtise cam, too
[21:21] <CeilingKitten> apo_, pretty sure you can get weatherized cases with cable glands, you pass the wire through and tighten the nught and a rubber ring sort of clenches shut on the wires
[21:21] <IT_Sean> shiftplusone: darn right i do!
[21:21] <pronto> shiftplusone: D:
[21:21] <apo_> CeilingKitten: easier to just mount it externally ;)
[21:21] <CeilingKitten> i think the ratings are IP60 or something
[21:21] <pronto> i run a channel where i OP everyone ^.^
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[21:21] <shiftplusone> pronto, anyone else in it?
[21:21] <IT_Sean> lol
[21:22] <pronto> shiftplusone: ~30 to ~40 people depending on solar flares
[21:22] <shiftplusone> ah
[21:22] <apo_> CeilingKitten: so that's 'doesn't care about dust, but water = bad'?
[21:22] <IT_Sean> water bad
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[21:23] <CeilingKitten> the cable cables can be water and dust proof
[21:23] <IT_Sean> the raspi will NOT like water.
[21:23] <IT_Sean> dust is fine. but WATER BAD!
[21:23] <apo_> yeah, I thought so
[21:23] <CeilingKitten> there is some neato cases out there meant for router boards, like Alix, to be wall or pole mounted outside and withstand pretty much anyweather
[21:23] <apo_> I wonder if RH80 will condensate
[21:23] <apo_> but better to be safe ;)
[21:23] <shiftplusone> as long as dust doesn't clog up the electron tubes
[21:23] <pronto> https://pronto185.com/networkx/raspberrypi.png
[21:23] * Katty looks up from novel
[21:24] * IT_Sean looks at Katty
[21:24] <CeilingKitten> pronto, hopefully we see your incubator on raspberrypi.org =D soon
[21:24] * Katty smiles
[21:24] * IT_Sean blinks
[21:24] <apo_> I'll just mount it externally - not like there's much of a reason to have it inside, just easier cable routing
[21:24] <CeilingKitten> apo_, sorry not pronto -_-
[21:24] * pronto looks at pronto and smiles at pronto
[21:24] <apo_> CeilingKitten: :P
[21:24] * Katty hugs pronto
[21:24] <apo_> CeilingKitten: I'll certainly do a small writeup if I finish it successfully.
[21:24] <shiftplusone> pronto, nice chart
[21:24] <apo_> I'm far from being good at this stuff <_<
[21:25] <pronto> shiftplusone: \o/
[21:25] <CeilingKitten> =) apo_ i bet there is some people who would love that project anyone who raises baby anythings prolly
[21:25] <apo_> But I've bought everything that's necessary for at least temp control, and if this works I'll move on to humidity and the webcam thing
[21:25] <pronto> shiftplusone: i update it every 10 minutes and send it to info@nsa.gov
[21:25] <apo_> CeilingKitten: There's plenty of DIY incubators already ;) there's not much to them, really
[21:26] <shiftplusone> pronto, lol!
[21:26] <CeilingKitten> >_> pronto so you just give that info away for free
[21:26] <CeilingKitten> i would encrypt it before sending it to them
[21:26] * CeilingKitten wonders why there is a knock at the door at 3AM
[21:26] <CeilingKitten> :p
[21:27] <apo_> CeilingKitten: you're playing your music too loudly
[21:27] <shiftplusone> pronto, by that chart, I would guess that IT_Sean and Katty are the ringleaders of whatever the plot is.
[21:27] <pronto> shiftplusone: :p
[21:27] <IT_Sean> ...
[21:27] <IT_Sean> Katty: they know!
[21:27] <IT_Sean> they must be eliminated!
[21:27] <pronto> bubble size=#of lines, color=random, lines to other bubbles=who said whos name
[21:27] <CeilingKitten> everytime Katty looks over his shoulder and he pretends to hide his work, that's code for the NSA operatives are active
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[21:27] <apo_> shiftplusone: gyeben secretly controls Katty
[21:28] <pronto> (colors are made from the first 6 digits of the sha1 of the name
[21:28] <shiftplusone> apo_, well spotted D=
[21:28] <apo_> pronto: Wait, -2 iterations?
[21:28] <pronto> apo_: yeah, reverse srping
[21:28] <pronto> sometimes it looks to messy
[21:28] <pronto> so i play with it till its good
[21:28] <apo_> so, f = -k distance?
[21:28] <apo_> or what?
[21:28] <pronto> ~_~
[21:29] <pronto> one sec
[21:29] <apo_> k/distance?
[21:29] <apo_> I have no idea what reverse spring means :P
[21:29] <pronto> apo_: http://sprunge.us/TVdE?python
[21:30] <pronto> pos=nx.spring_layout(H,iterations=itter, scale=300)
[21:30] <pronto> anyways, home time for me
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[21:31] <apo_> that... really doesn't tell me what it does
[21:31] <apo_> but I don't particularly care
[21:33] <jinie> doesn't take much to make that list.. i only talked briefly about a guide i made for securing a Raspberry Pi collocated at PCExtreme
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[21:33] <CeilingKitten> jinie, link please =)
[21:33] <jinie> CeilingKitten: https://vile.devlix.dk/blog/2013/07/15/raspberry-pi-setup-pcextreme-dot-nl/
[21:34] <CeilingKitten> I have a Pi thats going to be active @ PCExtreme in a while, and i've never secured anything xD lol
[21:34] <CeilingKitten> much appreciated
[21:34] <CeilingKitten> thank you =)
[21:35] * Katty frowns at novel
[21:35] * IT_Sean blinks
[21:35] <atouk> does novel frown back?
[21:35] <Katty> no. it's over.
[21:35] <Katty> the end.
[21:35] <CeilingKitten> Katty, did they kill bella?
[21:36] <IT_Sean> HA!
[21:36] * CeilingKitten giggles
[21:36] <ozzzy> the butler did it
[21:36] <Katty> no, bella got married.
[21:36] <Katty> to uhh, rhage, i think it was
[21:36] <Katty> that was novel 2. or 3.
[21:36] <IT_Sean> NO TWILIGHT!
[21:36] <CeilingKitten> whoa wait there is a bella in it?
[21:36] <Katty> no. not twilight.
[21:36] <CeilingKitten> I was making a twilight joke
[21:36] <Katty> oh wait. it was bella and zsadist
[21:36] <Katty> novel 3
[21:36] <CeilingKitten> >.> that name
[21:36] <CeilingKitten> lol
[21:36] <IT_Sean> <><><> NO TWILIGHT! <><><>
[21:36] <CeilingKitten> he sounds like a villain for sure
[21:37] <ozzzy> bela is my python's name
[21:37] <Katty> she was the friend of mary, who married rhage.
[21:37] <Katty> mary's neighbor, actually
[21:37] <Katty> but that's a long story. 450ish pages or so
[21:37] <CeilingKitten> IT_Sean, are you breathing a sigh of relief now that she cant talk about the 'books' in the channel lol
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[21:37] <IT_Sean> you have no idea, CeilingKitten.
[21:37] <CeilingKitten> xD
[21:37] * CeilingKitten laughs
[21:37] <Katty> this one was 463 pages.
[21:38] <Katty> marissa and butch.
[21:38] <Katty> her got renamed tho.
[21:38] <Katty> err, he got renamed. Dhestroyer.
[21:38] <Katty> JR Ward has such...cheesy names.
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[21:39] * Katty listens to crickets.
[21:40] <Katty> so anyway. kind of annoying how the pi's network speeds will drop if something else is on the usb bus eh?
[21:40] * IT_Sean listens to the distant hum of servers
[21:40] <IT_Sean> Katty: that's because the ethernet port is a USB device
[21:40] * shiftplusone listens to Rush.
[21:40] <CeilingKitten> jinie, I love your guide its very extensive =)
[21:41] <ozzzy> Linus has named Linux 3.11 'Linux for Workgroups'
[21:41] <CeilingKitten> lol
[21:41] <shiftplusone> excellent
[21:41] <IT_Sean> HA!
[21:41] <CeilingKitten> isnt that paying patronage to his arch-nemesis ?
[21:41] <ozzzy> or homage
[21:41] <CeilingKitten> or is this just a humorous thing?
[21:42] <ozzzy> either way it's fun
[21:42] <CeilingKitten> ah =)
[21:42] <jinie> CeilingKitten: i tried my best... I'm still updating it though. Learning new things every day :) what works, and what doesn't... but only stuff i've tested locally makes it to the guide
[21:42] <jinie> CeilingKitten: well, tested locally first, then applied to a hosted raspberry pi
[21:43] <Katty> IT_Sean: yes, dear. i know that ;)
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[21:43] <CeilingKitten> jinie, I saw a few other guides that frankly paled in comparison with like 1/5 of the content, the onyl thing they suggested that you didnt was altering the bash_profile, to log date/time/ip and commands run by sudo or root, so you know if someone has logged in, and they also suggested key files instead of or with passwords, i have been interested in the google authenticator pam.d though =) its fancy
[21:44] * IT_Sean wants to go home, bask in the air conditioning, and turn the television on
[21:45] <jinie> CeilingKitten: I've been looking at two factor authentication as well, but don't really know if it's worth it. I certainly wouldn't do it without a working mail configuration for backup codes
[21:45] <CeilingKitten> jinie, i been using gauth on my pi for pam.d its not connected to google, you create your own but then you need a device to generator you OTP time tokens on the go to login,
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[21:45] <jinie> CeilingKitten: all the devices, including google's, works the same way .. it's just an algorithm with a seed and a timestamp
[21:46] <Katty> IT_Sean: how do you stand tv?
[21:46] <jinie> CeilingKitten, on iOS, Duo Mobile and HDE OTP are drop in replacements for google's auth
[21:46] <Katty> IT_Sean: does it really hold your attention? or just backgrond noise?
[21:47] <IT_Sean> Katty: I don't watch alot of it. I don't even have cable! Just a Roku box and a netflix account
[21:47] <jinie> but if you limit logins to keys only, and restrict the logins to certain users, _and_ use fail2ban, they get 3 (or so) attempts at guessing your public key.
[21:47] <Katty> IT_Sean: so it's background noise?
[21:47] <IT_Sean> No, there are a handful of things i watch
[21:47] <IT_Sean> But, sometimes it's background noise
[21:48] <Katty> what do you watch
[21:48] <IT_Sean> lots of stuff on the discovery channel
[21:48] <IT_Sean> mostly
[21:49] <Katty> ah right, that stuffs not too bad.
[21:49] <CeilingKitten> IT_Sean, so you are you more of an animal kingdom kind of guy or a how its made ?
[21:49] <CeilingKitten> >.>
[21:49] <ozzzy> how it's made rox
[21:49] <IT_Sean> Im more of a how it's made / mythbusters / etc... kind of guy
[21:50] <IT_Sean> although i do occasionally venture over to animal planet
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[21:55] <Katty> been watching sarah conner chroncicles lately
[21:55] <Katty> it's pretty good
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[22:04] <Grmcrkrs> is that animated?
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[22:30] <dagerik> regarding omxplayer
[22:31] <dagerik> which github repo is the most newest one?
[22:31] <dagerik> and i see the xbmc repo also has omxplayer as a subfolder
[22:31] <dagerik> should i grab that one instead?
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[22:32] <caioketo> Hello, I messed up my /usr/include files, is there anyway to download all that again?
[22:33] <linuxstb> dagerik: No, the xbmc subfolder will be the version of omxplayer that runs inside xbmc. You need the standalone version.
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[22:34] <dagerik> linuxstb: how can i determine which github repo is the standalone version?
[22:34] <linuxstb> I think it's popcornmix's. See this commit in the old (huceke) repo - https://github.com/huceke/omxplayer/commit/dae98a8bba9dc7410b0621134f6ebdb406adb1bd
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[22:43] <LordDoskias> when i try to build a program which uses some custom libraries located in /opt/vc/lib i get that those cannot be found by ld: e.g. /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lvchiq_arm
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[22:44] <LordDoskias> when i do ldconfig -v | grep vchiq_arm i do get this library resolved
[22:44] <LordDoskias> i have set this part in the /etc/ld.so.conf file
[22:44] <LordDoskias> what could be the problem?
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[22:50] <linuxstb> LordDoskias: Is this on a standard Raspbian install, or something else?
[22:50] <LordDoskias> standard, yes
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[22:50] <LordDoskias> the files are there, i even passed the directory as an -L option ;\
[22:51] <LordDoskias> linuxstb, http://pastie.org/private/izcluoptl2gmtcqxpgteqq it is only looking for those libs in standard dirs
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[22:53] <debian-n00b> LordDoskias: has anyone answered you?
[22:54] <linuxstb> LordDoskias: What is your actual command to link? I use something like $(CC) -o $@ $(OBJS) $(LDFLAGS) for pidvbip
[22:54] <linuxstb> i.e. running gcc, not ld directly.
[22:54] <LordDoskias> linuxstb, i'm linking from netbeans which executes the gcc on the rpi
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[22:56] <linuxstb> LordDoskias: You can't see the actual command it's running though?
[22:56] <LordDoskias> gcc -fPIC -ftree-vectorize -pipe -U_FORTIFY_SOURCE -o dist/Debug/GNU-Linux-x86/gstream-transcoder build/Debug/GNU-Linux-x86/app_callbacks.o build/Debug/GNU-Linux-x86/main.o build/Debug/GNU-Linux-x86/omx.o build/Debug/GNU-Linux-x86/packet_queue.o build/Debug/GNU-Linux-x86/pad_callbacks.o -lgstapp-1.0 -pthread -lgstreamer-1.0 -lgobject-2.0 -lgmodule-2.0 -lgthread-2.0 -lrt -lglib-2.0 -lbcm_host -lvcos -lvchiq_arm -lopenmaxil -v -LC:/
[22:56] <LordDoskias> Users/lorddoskias/Documents/NetBeansProjects/gstream-transcoder/libs
[22:56] <LordDoskias> i have the libraries copied into gstream-transcoder/libs
[22:57] <linuxstb> Why is x86 everywhere in the directory names?
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[22:57] <LordDoskias> ooops
[22:57] <LordDoskias> i fixed it
[22:57] <LordDoskias> wrong option in netbeans - passing absolute paths not the cleverest thing to do :D
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[22:58] <linuxstb> OK, so it's linking now?
[22:58] <LordDoskias> yes
[22:59] <LordDoskias> linuxstb, i've been meaning to ask you something about the OMX buffers - they are being used as a queue, right? you get the first buffer and feed it to the component
[22:59] <LordDoskias> and then you add it ad the end, no?
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[23:00] <linuxstb> Something like that, yes. You get them one at a time, fill them with the input data, then tell the component to empty it.
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[23:01] <LordDoskias> what i mean is that you get the buffer at the head of the linked list, then when emptybufferdone callback is invoked - the freed buffer is being returned at the tail of the list, no ?
[23:02] <linuxstb> I can't remember without looking at the code again. But I don't think it's important - I'm pretty sure you can use the buffers in any order.
[23:02] <LordDoskias> i rewrote your functions to use the generic linux list interface
[23:03] <LordDoskias> such a way you could pass more meta info related to the buffers e.g. DTS/duration/anything you like
[23:04] <LordDoskias> instead of wasting the pAppPrivate pointer as a linked list
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[23:05] <_u2pop_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2YtARzJTys
[23:05] <_u2pop_> nice video :)
[23:05] <_u2pop_> hacked microwave with raspberrypi
[23:05] <_u2pop_> hehehe
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[23:25] <gyeben> hi
[23:25] <sney> hi
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[23:34] <coolty> gordonDrogon: what's your website?
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[23:35] <ShorTie> wiringPi.com
[23:35] <coolty> no... his blog
[23:36] <shiftplusone> projects.drogon.net
[23:36] <coolty> ah thanks
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[23:39] <coolty> gordonDrogon: do you have any of the python code used with your 4D systems LCD with the raspberry pi?
[23:39] <coolty> i couldn't find any of it on youtube
[23:40] <shiftplusone> Gordon does python? D=
[23:41] <coolty> idk
[23:41] <shiftplusone> As far as I know, he mostly does C and bread.
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[23:45] <dagerik> when i use omxplayer, the sound starts really loud and im unable to adjust with alsamixer. Not the same symptom with mpg123 when playing an mp3 file. Help
[23:46] <linuxstb> omxplayer doesn't use alsa
[23:46] <savid> Hi, I'm trying to get my raspberrypi to talk to a TTL serial device (Roomba SCI). Do I need a MAX232 IC for that? or can the pi handle TTL serial?
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[23:47] <Firehopper> you need a 3.3 ttl > 5.0 volt converter
[23:47] <shiftplusone> The pi gpio pins cannot take 5v, if that's what you're asking.
[23:47] <Firehopper> its called a level converter..
[23:47] <Firehopper> sparkfun has one
[23:48] <savid> Firehopper, I do have the sparkfun level converter.
[23:48] <shiftplusone> Firehopper, can you get away with a voltage divider on the RX pin?
[23:48] <Firehopper> is the roomba sci a 5.0 volt device or a 3.3 volt one..
[23:48] <savid> Roomba SCI is 5v
[23:49] <dagerik> linuxstb: im able to adjust from inside omxplayer. however i can hear background noise like white noise. it shouldnt be this much
[23:49] <Firehopper> shiftplusone, no idea, doubt it..
[23:49] <linuxstb> dagerik: Using the analogue output?
[23:49] <coolty> How do I use geniePi?
[23:49] <coolty> https://github.com/4dsystems/ViSi-Genie-RaspPi-Library
[23:50] <shiftplusone> coolty, with C, it seems.
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[23:50] <shiftplusone> and wiringpi
[23:50] <coolty> yeah I was wondering how to use it though
[23:50] <dagerik> linuxstb: yeah
[23:50] <coolty> like any examples?
[23:50] <shiftplusone> coolty, ah, i'll check.
[23:51] <gbaman> anyone know where the scratch program files are stored?
[23:51] <savid> Firehopper, My goal is to get the raspberrypi to piggyback on the roomba. I currently have the pi powered using a 5v regulator between it and the roomba's 14.4v battery. I've now hooked up the sparkfun chip to convert levels to/from the roomba's SCI port. Unfortunately once I switch my circuit on, the roomba just starts beeping two-toned "uh-oh's until I reset it.
[23:51] <Firehopper> I know nothing about the roomba :)
[23:51] <Firehopper> so :)
[23:52] <Firehopper> and I only know a tiny bit about the rpi
[23:52] <linuxstb> dagerik: Maybe a silly question, but if the sound is too loud, why not turn down your TV? But anyway, I've never tried the analogue output, so can't comment.
[23:54] <CeilingKitten> The Analog audio sadly has issues in the hardware/firmware, was my understanding the only way to kill the white noise is to tell pulse audio to stay open even when nothing is playing, or get a USB DAC/soundcard
[23:54] <gbaman> anyone know where the scratch program files are stored on the pi?
[23:54] <CeilingKitten> In XBMC it makes a loud humming and popping noise in the menus and such
[23:54] <savid> Firehopper, I'm not really that familiar with serial. I'm just not sure whether or not a need a Max232 chip.
[23:55] <shiftplusone> coolty, I am not having much luck
[23:55] <Firehopper> you shouldnt
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[23:55] <coolty> shiftplusone: yeah me neither
[23:56] <savid> If the pi sends RS232 seignals I would need the chip to convert to TTL, correct? Any idea how I can tell which kind of signal is coming out of the line?
[23:56] <JoeyJoeJo> Are the 3.3v an 5v pins on the pi regulated?
[23:56] <Firehopper> have you tried to plug the usb interface into a usb port on the pi?
[23:56] <shiftplusone> coolty, if you look at the source code of the library itself, it does not seem too difficult to figure out.
[23:56] <coolty> shiftplusone: I'm not really experienced with C though. I could probably wing it if it were python though
[23:56] <shiftplusone> JoeyJoeJo, 5v is not, 3.3 is.
[23:56] <Firehopper> use a volt meter on the pins.. or read the docs on the Rooba
[23:57] <JoeyJoeJo> shiftplusone: Thanks
[23:57] <savid> Firehopper, yeah, the levels look correct to me.
[23:57] <savid> is that the only difference between RS232 and TTL? just the levels?
[23:57] <Firehopper> yes
[23:58] <Firehopper> rs232 is usually + - 5 to 12 volts\
[23:58] <Firehopper> how does the computer normally connect to the roomba?
[23:58] <Firehopper> via usb or old 9pin serial
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[23:59] <savid> Firehopper, roomba doesn't offer a USB cable. People make their own USB to serial cables or serial-to-serial cables
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[23:59] <Firehopper> so the roomba has a 9 pin serial port?

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