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IRC Log for 2013-07-19

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[0:00] <shiftplusone> A site in German doesn't help, but yes, you can't connect it directly to the pi though.
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[0:01] <gh12as> gordonDrogon: Hey, my internet connection just died, I don't suppose you had any more suggestions that I missed?
[0:01] <jerng> shiftplusone: i CAN or i CAN'T?
[0:03] <shiftplusone> jerng, can't. Motors draw too much current, so you'll need at least a transistor
[0:04] <Romeo-> u mean transformator:)
[0:04] <SpeedEvil> There are motors you can drive directly from the pi.
[0:04] <jerng> ok, thanks... i already thought that this will not be as easy as 1-2-3
[0:05] <Romeo-> it is a 123 thing
[0:05] <Romeo-> 1 motor
[0:05] <Romeo-> 2 transformator
[0:05] <Romeo-> 3 relais
[0:05] <SpeedEvil> http://static.rcgroups.net/forums/attachments/5/7/7/5/8/a2202001-122-%26%231084%3B%26%231080%3B%26%231082%3B%26%231088%3B%26%231086%3B%20008.jpg
[0:05] <Romeo-> connectet to tha pi:)
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[0:06] <SpeedEvil> (Above is a home built RC aeroplane engine motor.
[0:07] <shiftplusone> for fleas or next to a giant matchhead?
[0:07] <SpeedEvil> The whole plane weighs 225mg
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[0:08] <SpeedEvil> He filed down a PIC10F processor because it was too heavy
[0:08] <SpeedEvil> http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=961876
[0:08] <jerng> hehe, nice
[0:08] <shiftplusone> amazing =D
[0:08] <ozzzy> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3TgKHZvfEI <-- now THERE is a home built model engine
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[0:10] <ShorTie> 167/225 just for the battery, lol.
[0:10] <ShorTie> but nice l00kin plane
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[0:20] <ShorTie> i guess that puts my cdrom motors to shame
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[0:21] <jerng> hm, cdrom motors...
[0:22] <jerng> might save lot of money...
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[0:24] <savid> It seems when I flash the raspbian image to my sd card, something isn't right. It boots up on the pi just fine, but when I try to mount the drive on my laptop, I see this in dmesg: bad geometry: block count 952704 exceeds size of device (952703 blocks)
[0:24] <savid> Same thing has happened on 8GB and 4GB sandisk cards
[0:24] <ShorTie> floppie or zip drives got a bigger stator in them
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[0:26] <savid> I tried GParted, and GParted says "Can't have partition outside the disk"
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[0:26] <rikkib> savid, Have you resized your sd card after writing the iso?
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[0:27] <savid> rikkib, yes using the option menu when first booting the RPi
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[0:28] <rikkib> You use monut -t auto to mount in the other Linux machine
[0:28] <ShorTie> how about if you don't resize it
[0:28] <savid> rikkib, mount won't mount it due to the bad geometry
[0:28] <ShorTie> maybe the resizer is making it to big
[0:29] <savid> ShorTie, I suppose I could re-flash and use gparted to resize instead
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[0:29] <pksato> savid: SD work on rpi?
[0:29] <savid> pksato, yes it boots
[0:30] <pksato> use fdisk -l and check partition scheme
[0:30] <ShorTie> try RPI-Wiggle to resize maybe
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[0:31] <ShorTie> it leaves just a tad of empty space i believe
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[0:38] <mjrosenb> is this the recommended way to get a rpi crosscompiler? http://elinux.org/RPi_Linaro_GCC_Compilation
[0:38] <mjrosenb> if not, then what is?
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[0:52] <kaste> mjrosenb: what distro/OS
[0:52] <kaste> In a lot of them you can just use one frmo a repo
[0:53] <mjrosenb> kaste: debian linux.
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[0:56] <kaste> you're in luck, debian already has packages
[0:56] <mjrosenb> kaste: orly? what are they called?
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[0:58] <kaste> try apt-cache search arm-linux-gnueabi
[0:58] <kaste> I think that were the correct ones
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[0:59] <mjrosenb> kaste: so I tried those before, and they *really* like armv7
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[0:59] <kaste> in what way?
[0:59] <mjrosenb> kaste: even when I asked them to output armv6 instructions only, it was still generating little stubs like memcpy using armv7 instructions
[1:00] <kaste> that's weird, I used those successfully before
[1:00] <kaste> don't remember doing anything special there
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[1:00] * mjrosenb tries again
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[1:00] <mjrosenb> it'll take less time than building this toolchain
[1:00] <kaste> well I used gcc-4-4... possibly if you use a newer one it's different though I would not expect it
[1:01] <mjrosenb> and building on the rpi
[1:01] <kaste> lol at the latter
[1:01] <kaste> your kids go to college bfore you build your toolchain on the pi
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[1:01] <mjrosenb> kaste: las time it only took 4 hours.
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[1:03] <kzoo> has anyone here done any multicast streaming to their raspberry pi with vlc? i am trying to find out which codecs to use, nothing seems to have worked so far. i am doing udp multicast with sap announcement
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[1:05] <kaste> mjrosenb: gcc included?
[1:05] <kaste> I remember that taking about a day
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[1:07] <mjrosenb> kaste: no, I just used the gcc that apt-get installed on the rpi.
[1:08] <raidensnake> does anyone happen to know of this error?
[1:08] <raidensnake> 0x0017beb0 in vtable for __cxxabiv1::__si_class_type_info ()
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[1:11] <kaste> that's not really an error is it?
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[1:12] <raidensnake> thaty's what I get trying to start a game
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[1:13] <mjrosenb> raidensnake: that's the full output?
[1:15] <BurtyB> a game of mind reading?
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[1:26] <kaste> that sounds actually quite cool
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[1:36] <mjrosenb> kaste: straaange... I built it the same way I did last time, and now it is working
[1:36] <mjrosenb> kaste: i'm not going to question it.
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[1:39] <kaste> Told ya. Better not, you'd just anger the universe and it would take it away again
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[1:49] <semitones> greetings!
[1:51] <kaste> hello puny Earthling
[1:53] <semitones> We have come for your earth delicacies
[1:54] * SpeedEvil passes semitones his usual donkey smeared in marmite.
[1:55] <semitones> why hello there. yes this will do nicely. I believe this is your, "burroto?"
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[1:59] <semitones> I took a look at top for my pi, and found out it spends some of its time at 98% idle, then goes into high wait mode. It goes back and forth.
[1:59] <semitones> Is that normal for pi with an SD card?
[2:00] <kaste> what's high wait?
[2:01] <semitones> it frequently goes up to 80%, then comes down over the course of a few seconds.
[2:01] <semitones> I think it might be causing the variable ping delay I experience
[2:01] <semitones> in quassel
[2:05] <kaste> and you can't see what's cause the high load?
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[2:06] <semitones> kaste: It's probably because it's writing to the quassel database every few seconds as quassel is running
[2:06] <semitones> right now my load average is 2.11
[2:06] <kaste> that's quite a lot
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[2:07] <kaste> if you belive this to be the case maybe test with iotop
[2:10] <semitones> ok
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[2:19] <semitones> I also have mmcqd running at 4% constantly, indicating an SD bottleneck. I'm searching how to use a tmpfs and periodically flush to the sd card
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[2:26] <mjrosenb> kaste: ok, reporting back.
[2:27] <mjrosenb> kaste: I think I was wrong before when I said it was working
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[2:27] <mjrosenb> kaste: arm-linux-gnueabi produces softfp executables, but I'm pretty sure raspbian in actually a hardfp system.
[2:27] <mjrosenb> kaste: and arm-linux-gnueabihf doesn't know about -march=armv6.
[2:27] <Opinie> anyone happen to know, why retropie games seem to crash when Pi is plugged via PAL but not crash when via HDMI?
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[2:31] <mjrosenb> kaste: and iirc, using arm-linux-gnueabi-gcc -mfloat-abi=hard won't fix it (however, I'll try)
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[2:36] <mjrosenb> Opinie: does it do pal, or ntsc? (or can it actually do both?)
[2:37] <Opinie> mjrosenb: are you asking whether the pi can do PAL or something else?
[2:38] <mjrosenb> Opinie: yes.
[2:38] <semitones> both
[2:38] <Opinie> yes
[2:39] <mjrosenb> semitones: cool, I learned something new today.
[2:39] <semitones> for some reason mine worked better in PAL, but i was using an american tv. I don't know why
[2:41] <Opinie> semitones: did you fiddle round with different options in config.txt or just remove the #?
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[2:42] <semitones> Opinie: well I use it headless most of the time. But when I was installing raspbian, I had to manually change the display mode by holding down a key on my keyboard. Then, yes I remember changing the option in config.txt (I think I just removed the appropriate #)
[2:43] <Opinie> semitones: perhaps that's the reason then.. maybe using some other sdtv_mode or whatever it's called would have worked better..?
[2:43] <semitones> I don't really know much about computers :p
[2:44] <Opinie> neither do I
[2:44] <Opinie> I'm just guessing
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[2:47] <Opinie> lol, yeah, don't remember how I got this working ages ago
[2:47] * lupinedk is now known as Lupinedk
[2:48] <Opinie> but do remember thinking back then "Yeah, I'll know how to do this, if I need to do this again. No need to write it down."
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[2:50] <TylerB> Greetings! I've just received my first RaspberryPi and I'm loving it so far! I'm trying to work with the gpio pins and I've been looking for a page/document that describes everything about the /sys/class/gpio interface to the pins, but I've not been successful.
[2:50] <TylerB> Could someone link me to such a page? :)
[2:50] <pksato> teepee: elinux wiki
[2:50] <pksato> ops
[2:50] <pksato> TylerB: elinux wiki
[2:51] <TylerB> Great! I'll search for that.
[2:51] <poli> TylerB: take a look at gordon's wiringPi library. Maybe better than what you are looking for
[2:52] <TylerB> I'll do that too. Thanks much. :)
[2:53] <pksato> TylerB: http://www.elinux.org/Rpi_Low-level_peripherals
[2:53] <TylerB> Found that one just now. Thanks a lot! This looks excellent.
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[2:54] <rikkib> webiopi also for controlling gpio from the web
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[3:00] <mjrosenb> https://gist.github.com/6034327
[3:00] * mjrosenb is going to go with 'gcc doesn't actually know how to target rpi'
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[3:06] * mjrosenb prepares to build on the rpi
[3:06] * mjrosenb prepares to wait
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[3:07] <poli> mjrosenb: I thought it was as simple as targeting ARM
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[3:10] <mjrosenb> poli: sadly, there are about 10,000 arm variants in existence.
[3:11] <shiftplusone> GCC deals with ARM11 just fine, what's the problem?
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[3:15] <mjrosenb> shiftplusone: it seems like arm-linux-gnueabihf-gcc doesn't know about armv6, and the others seem to have issues generating hf code.
[3:17] <shiftplusone> Is that the ubuntu/linaro one?
[3:17] <mjrosenb> shiftplusone: it is the one in emdebian.
[3:17] <mjrosenb> shiftplusone: I just built the linaro one, and it seems to be working.
[3:17] <shiftplusone> Ah, then problem solved
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[3:18] <poli> mjrosenb: there is a toolchain in github, under the raspberrypi user.
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[3:47] <nerdboy> of course, the gentoo hardfloat arm stage3 has a nice toolchain...
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[3:49] <nerdboy> but we also have 6 arm stage3's, including arm v6j and armv6j_hardfp
[3:50] <nerdboy> it just takes slightly less than forever to build a kernel on the pi...
[3:51] <chithead> the kernel has excellent cross compiling support
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[3:53] <johnc-> gentoo still a thing?
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[3:54] * nerdboy slaps johnc- with a large gentoo-powered trout
[3:54] <johnc-> I think I'm safe, it's a gentoo compiled trout so it's super slim and weightless and it'll be a while before you can compile a fatter one to hit me with
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[3:55] <nerdboy> chithead: yes, but i was responding to "compile hf native on the pi"
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[4:13] <nerdboy> chithead: and i agree wholeheartedly, which is why i switched to building my pi image with yocto/oe
[4:13] <chithead> actually I like openwrt better, but it does not support hardfp right now
[4:14] <nerdboy> haven't played with that... don't they have ipk package feeds for their stuff?
[4:15] <nerdboy> maybe i'm thinking of something else...
[4:15] <chithead> you can use the opkg package manager if you want, but typically you choose the software that you want at image creation time. the big advantage of openwrt is that you can always pull the plug without risking to corrupt the filesystem on the sd card
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[4:19] <nerdboy> okay, i notice they use buildroot
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[4:21] <nerdboy> i don't see any sdcard issues with the oe build (using zram swap and noatime)
[4:22] <nerdboy> oe's read-only root support isn't quite all there yet
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[4:23] <nerdboy> anyway, i pretty much always "pull the plug" when i hit the big on/off button in the car...
[4:23] <chithead> that's how you typically shut down openwrt devices, so it doesn't mind
[4:24] <nerdboy> i assume they mount root ro ?
[4:25] <chithead> root is a squashfs, and they use overlayfs for opkg installed packages
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[4:27] <nerdboy> so far i've built jffs2 and ext images, never tried squashfs
[4:29] <nerdboy> i need to get something new with onboard flash...
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[4:45] <steve_rox> too hot yet again
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[4:53] <xmath279> Hey guys, I'm using an external powered usb hub for my raspberry pi, and even if the microusb port is not plugged into the raspberry pi, the pi receives current from the hub. Do you think it provides enough current or should I use the microusb port along with the hub?
[4:53] <shiftplusone> it depends on the hub's supply
[4:54] <steve_rox> nice confuseing sentence
[4:54] <steve_rox> maybe its cos im sleepy
[4:54] <shiftplusone> if it run, then what's the problem?
[4:54] <xmath279> Well I've heard that some shitty power supplies may lead to problems in the future
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[4:55] <shiftplusone> xmath279, the problems are usually quite apparent (ethernet problems and such)
[4:55] <pksato> its is a hub malfunction? or is a poor designed hub?
[4:55] <shiftplusone> But mind the language please (family friendly channel and all that)
[4:56] <xmath279> http://www.tomauri.com/do/product?bc=BD&ccc=06000000&sku=3870 here is the hub i am talking about
[4:56] <shiftplusone> pksato, don't most of them (even the 'proper' ones) do that?
[4:56] <shiftplusone> I have a logitech hub and some others and they all backfeed =/
[4:56] <chithead> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/1929 describes when you can use a hub to reliably backfeed power into the pi
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[4:58] <pksato> backfeed from usb can disturb main board/atx psu/etc. But, I not remember if it is permited on usb specification.
[4:59] <shiftplusone> It is not permitted, as far as I know, but I guess a diode is too expensive >_<
[4:59] <xmath279> according to chithead's link, mine would be ok as it does not output more than 2.5A
[4:59] <chithead> if you are worried, disconnect +5Vcc in your usb cable
[5:00] <nerdboy> probably best to use the hub with a custom cable (sans +v wire) and power the pi normally
[5:00] <pksato> diode or mecanical switch on pw connector. But, most connector cut - side.
[5:01] <pksato> or need to use inverse polarity. (- on inner pin).
[5:02] * nerdboy needs to mod a couple of cables
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[5:21] <\\Mr_C\\> cool, i installed the raspberry pi version of weechat on the cubieboard
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[5:22] <nerdboy> irc client?
[5:23] <\\Mr_C\\> yes
[5:23] <shiftplusone> hurray for backward compatibility
[5:23] <nerdboy> console or X?
[5:23] <\\Mr_C\\> dont they both use the same chipset?
[5:23] <\\Mr_C\\> console
[5:23] <shiftplusone> not at all the same chipset D=
[5:24] <\\Mr_C\\> oh
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[5:25] <\\Mr_C\\> why does it work then?
[5:25] <shiftplusone> backward compatibility, as I said.
[5:25] <pksato> same arm flavor.
[5:25] <\\Mr_C\\> ok
[5:25] <shiftplusone> Cortex A7
[5:25] <shiftplusone> Pi is ARM11 (ARMv6)
[5:26] <shiftplusone> (Cortex A7 is ARMv7)
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[5:26] <\\Mr_C\\> whats the cubieboard?
[5:27] <shiftplusone> Cortex A7 >_<
[5:27] <pksato> like run 386 code on moderm x86 cpu. :)
[5:27] <nerdboy> \\Mr_C\\ what does "cat /proc/cpuinfo" say?
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[5:28] <shiftplusone> so, while generic software compiled for the pi will run on the cubieboard, it doesn't work the other way around. You will run into "illegal instruction" errors.
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[5:28] <\\Mr_C\\> root@x:/# cat /proc/cpuinfo
[5:28] <\\Mr_C\\> Processor : ARMv7 Processor rev 2 (v7l)
[5:28] <\\Mr_C\\> BogoMIPS : 59.63
[5:28] <\\Mr_C\\> Features : swp half thumb fastmult vfp edsp neon vfpv3 tls
[5:28] <\\Mr_C\\> CPU implementer : 0x41
[5:28] <\\Mr_C\\> CPU architecture: 7
[5:28] <\\Mr_C\\> CPU variant : 0x3
[5:28] <\\Mr_C\\> CPU part : 0xc08
[5:28] <\\Mr_C\\> CPU revision : 2
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[5:33] <Xark> Hmm, doesn't that chip have Thumb2 (or it isn't a separate feature)?
[5:33] <nerdboy> \\Mr_C\\ notice the pi is a v6l and doesn't do neon or vfpv3
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[5:37] <\\Mr_C\\> ok
[5:37] <\\Mr_C\\> i understand
[5:38] <nerdboy> that's the hard-float stuff
[5:40] <nerdboy> and as shiftplusone mentioned, the pi armv6l is really an arm1176jzfs
[5:40] <\\Mr_C\\> ordered some stuff for the rpi yesterday
[5:40] <\\Mr_C\\> sure hope they work
[5:40] <timmmaaaayyy> anyone know the main differences between the lines at the top of this pastebin? http://pastebin.com/P6rmN5sp
[5:41] <ParkerR> timmmaaaayyy, one binds to a port the other binds to a socket
[5:41] <timmmaaaayyy> pros/cons?? the tutorials i'm reading never mention why they choose either method
[5:41] <\\Mr_C\\> i gotta switch to the UPS, its about to poor down and electric storm
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[5:42] <pksato> socket is more fast. (or not)
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[5:46] <nerdboy> timmmaaaayyy: try both and see...
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[5:47] <timmmaaaayyy> i'd need some ganglia or something to see which is faster....i guess it doesn't matter much for my extremely limited operation
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[5:49] <nerdboy> is /var/run in tmpfs or on the card?
[5:50] <nerdboy> i'd tend to avoid sdcard access, so i'd probably use the localhost port
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[5:51] <pksato> nerdboy: see mount output
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[5:56] <nerdboy> i have no idea what he's running...
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[5:56] <nerdboy> i know it's volatile in *my* build...
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[6:01] <nerdboy> i really like the light footprint of a non-qt/gnome openembedded image over a full distro like debian
[6:01] <nerdboy> just have to make my own recipes/bbappends for a lot of it...
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[6:04] <\\Mr_C\\> i have this http://www.dvdoverseas.com/store/index.html?loadfile=itemthg3000ud.html going to the wall, then i have this going to that http://www.42u.com/powerware-9120-ups.htm then i have this going to that http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000E636BU and then all my crap plugged into that 110 of that
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[6:05] <\\Mr_C\\> since the powerware 9120 is a 220 input
[6:05] <\\Mr_C\\> i can run a freakin refrigerator or a dryer off this crap
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[6:06] <nerdboy> or a 1000-pi cluster?
[6:06] <\\Mr_C\\> this powerware 9120 ups is killer i can even telnet or web to it and shut down or powerup one of the 4 plugs in the back
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[6:07] <\\Mr_C\\> i have this one PW 9120 3000B 05147548-5591 (1) NEMA L6-20P 208VAC/208VAC
[6:07] <\\Mr_C\\> and im not even using half or full load
[6:08] <\\Mr_C\\> this thing can last about 4-6 hours
[6:09] <nerdboy> and run your net connection/wifi during a power failure...
[6:09] <\\Mr_C\\> yes
[6:10] <\\Mr_C\\> i can
[6:10] <\\Mr_C\\> im only using 14% load
[6:10] <\\Mr_C\\> with 2 pc's
[6:10] <\\Mr_C\\> and 36 inch tv
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[6:12] <\\Mr_C\\> i picked this ups from the local flea market for 10 bucks, the guy didnt know what it was
[6:12] <\\Mr_C\\> sells for 1500
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[6:20] <nerdboy> \\Mr_C\\ from now on, you're buying the beer...
[6:21] <\\Mr_C\\> hehe
[6:23] <nerdboy> plus now you get to help out at the pi booth at scale next year
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[6:28] <\\Mr_C\\> hmm
[6:28] <\\Mr_C\\> im un the usa
[6:28] <\\Mr_C\\> un=in
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[6:39] <overrider> they dont drink beer there?
[6:39] <\\Mr_C\\> yes they do
[6:40] <\\Mr_C\\> where is the pi booth going to be?
[6:40] <\\Mr_C\\> in the usa
[6:40] <\\Mr_C\\> what state
[6:41] <Xark> Scale is Southern California Adavanced? Linux Expo (forget what the "A" is), I believe.
[6:42] <johnc-> yay my project is getting somewhere
[6:42] <johnc-> http://i.imgur.com/ATpF4JK.jpg
[6:43] <\\Mr_C\\> johnc, whats that?
[6:43] <Xark> johnc-: Nice. :)
[6:43] <johnc-> it's a control point for my home automation system (running on pis and other things)
[6:44] <johnc-> computers menu lets me start/stop/restart computers on the network
[6:44] <johnc-> lights lets me turn lights on/off that are wired up
[6:44] <johnc-> etc.
[6:44] <\\Mr_C\\> does it use the camera module?
[6:45] <johnc-> to do what?
[6:45] <\\Mr_C\\> for video
[6:45] <johnc-> no, video is for playback of files
[6:45] <johnc-> stuff on my nas
[6:45] <\\Mr_C\\> oh
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[6:47] <johnc-> I have pis running speakers around my apartment, so it can do audio announcements too
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[6:47] <johnc-> the packages module will tell me a package is expected when I wake up
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[6:50] <\\Mr_C\\> hmm
[6:50] <\\Mr_C\\> do you have a document or site i can read about it?
[6:51] <johnc-> haha, not yet - it's still not quite ready
[6:51] <johnc-> it's starting to get there though!
[6:52] <\\Mr_C\\> is that console based?
[6:52] <johnc-> no, it's using GTK so it's running in the desktop environment
[6:52] <\\Mr_C\\> oh
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[6:58] <vex> is anyone else experiencing rpi-update nuking their pi?
[6:59] <vex> I'm running raspbian and have done a dist-upgrade / reboot before running it
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[7:09] <\\Mr_C\\> i did at one point
[7:09] <\\Mr_C\\> so i did the noobs 1.2.1
[7:09] <\\Mr_C\\> and did it that way
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[8:57] <gordonDrogon> I've not used rpi-update for over 6 months now.
[8:59] <x29a> is that the new uptime competition?
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[9:00] <gordonDrogon> not really - I just don't see the need to use anything other than the standard raspbian kernels.
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[9:00] <gordonDrogon> if you want an uptime competition; beat this: 08:00:15 up 1725 days, 10:05, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 ;-)
[9:01] <x29a> 08:00:15 up 1726 days, 10:05, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
[9:01] <x29a> obious fake is obvious ;)
[9:02] <\\Mr_C\\> uhh
[9:02] <\\Mr_C\\> thats not an rpi utime
[9:02] <\\Mr_C\\> thats not an rpi uptime
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[9:06] <gordonDrogon> true - it's not a Pi uptime - I never said it was :)
[9:07] <\\Mr_C\\> ok
[9:07] <\\Mr_C\\> im going to sleep
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[9:11] <apo_> 09:11:47 up 519 days, 16:42, 5 users, load average: 0.09, 0.27, 0.31
[9:13] <Datalink> gordonDrogon, I'd have to stop messing with mine to have a high uptime
[9:14] <Datalink> silly thing still needs the cap hack
[9:14] <greppy> cap hack?
[9:14] <Datalink> 220 uF soldiered atop the USB cap
[9:15] <greppy> which does what?
[9:16] <gordonDrogon> fwiw: that uptime is from a router in a data centre..
[9:16] <Datalink> makes the load on the USB power pin protected by the USB SIG's recommended 300 uF rating
[9:16] <gordonDrogon> I tend to move my Pi's about quite frequently right now, so none of them have been up for a while.
[9:16] * Datalink hunts for article
[9:17] <gordonDrogon> Hm. longest is currently 27 days.
[9:17] <gordonDrogon> oh wow. a cool breeze this morning. nice!
[9:17] <nerdboy> if pg&e had reliable service, i'd have much better uptimes...
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[9:18] <gordonDrogon> UPSs.
[9:19] <gordonDrogon> I have them in my home/office on the servers, routers, switches and my desktop
[9:19] <nerdboy> not big enough
[9:19] <gordonDrogon> outages > 1 hour?
[9:19] <nerdboy> ~6 hour "maintenance" outage the last time
[9:19] <gordonDrogon> that's a bother.
[9:20] <gordonDrogon> round here, they'll switch in a portable generator for maintenance.
[9:20] <nerdboy> yup, i's a nontrivial pita to spin up my infrastructure
[9:21] <greppy> we used a pi as our logging server for ARRL Field Day, we figure the gel cell used to power it would have kept the pi running for over a month.
[9:21] <Datalink> haha
[9:21] <Datalink> I actually need to find a phone charger that doesn't stop working when you plug it in to charge, I've tried 2 now
[9:22] <gordonDrogon> big gel cell - standard car battery is reckoned to run about 10 days...
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[9:24] <Datalink> ah found it: http://thestuffsido.blogspot.com/2013/05/fixing-raspberry-pi-hotplugging.html
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[9:26] <Datalink> I'd have to use therandomlab's hack though, since I have a model A
[9:26] <Datalink> though I plan on getting a B or two later this month
[9:26] <Datalink> well, start of next month, actually
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[9:31] <greppy> I only have rev B models.
[9:32] <Datalink> I bought mine 2 months before the RAM upgrade
[9:33] <greppy> doh
[9:34] <Datalink> ehe, it's been solid, I pretty much moved into the particular image, which is Rev B incompatible
[9:34] <gordonDrogon> I don't have a Model A yet.
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[9:40] <Datalink> I'm sorry, rev 2... I keep forgetting A and B are the major models...
[9:40] <Datalink> mine's a rev 1 board, 256 megs of RAM
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[9:43] <Datalink> I have 2 rev 2 boards at the TV studio I work at, one's a messageboard showing the city meeting times , the other's a second machine we got which is working as my dev box
[9:46] <nerdboy> me too, one in the car and one for testing images and whatnot
[9:49] <greppy> doh, yeah, model B, rev 2
[9:50] <greppy> nerdboy: do you just keep the Pi powered up all the time off the battery, or does it do a shutdown when the ignition is shut off?
[9:51] <nerdboy> no shutdown, "just off"
[9:52] <nerdboy> oe uses a volatile tmpfs and doesn't seem to mind being powered off
[9:52] <greppy> ah
[9:52] <nerdboy> also, i had to patch a couple of things to remove some cruft so things started up properly
[9:53] <nerdboy> but i can hit the car's power button and about 20 secs later the music starts playing...
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[10:56] <gordonDrogon> I've never been a big music/media type person - my car radio/cd player does all my needs :)
[10:56] <gordonDrogon> actually, I used to use my old Nokia N900 to play some music via the FM transmitter it has, but that wasn't very often.
[10:57] <gordonDrogon> not sure what I'd really want a Pi in my car for right now.
[10:57] <gordonDrogon> I only drive 2-3 times a week too.
[10:58] <ShorTie> mornin
[11:00] <ShorTie> a car for me is a point A to point B thingy, not a home away from home
[11:01] <gordonDrogon> sort of agree with that, although I do enjoy driving.
[11:02] <gordonDrogon> used to do a lot of car tinkering, tuning, etc. many many years ago, but I had access to good facilities, tools, etc.
[11:03] <kai> hi folks
[11:03] <sandman> o hai
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[11:05] <kai> I vaguely remembering setting up some quemu-arm emulation on my laptop that'd allow me to chroot into an arm rootfs on the fly, but for some reason I can't find the instructions anymore
[11:05] <kai> any hints on what to google for?
[11:14] <kai> http://tinkering-is-fun.blogspot.de/2009/12/running-arm-linux-on-your-desktop-pc_12.html seems to have something
[11:14] <kai> not the one I was looking for, but helpful enough
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[12:21] <SgtBurned> Hey
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[12:26] <SgtBurned> It seems all is dead...
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[12:29] <ShorTie> na, we're just napping, zzzzz......
[12:31] <SgtBurned> 'Mericans ?
[12:32] * SpeedEvil is pondering going out and picking some blackcurrants.
[12:32] <SgtBurned> Oooh lucky sod
[12:32] <SgtBurned> I'm stuck at work ;) Oh the horror, working on Raspberry Pi programming all day
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[13:01] <SgtBurned> Anyone here good with python can help me with a problem?
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[13:06] <gordonDrogon> SpeedEvil, Hm. I have a 2nd picking of raspberries ready in my garden...
[13:06] <gordonDrogon> SgtBurned, I'm stuck in my home office - oh the horror, working with a Pi, programming all day too ;-)
[13:07] <ShorTie> yum yum
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[13:07] <gordonDrogon> however I have a client turning up to talk about trains. however he's late.
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[13:07] <SgtBurned> Want to help each other on problems?
[13:07] <gordonDrogon> SgtBurned, Sure. I don't care for PYthon. What do you know about ATmega I2C slave programming...
[13:07] <SgtBurned> xD
[13:08] <SgtBurned> About as much as the average 5 year old about Quantum Physics.
[13:08] <gordonDrogon> I have an interesting issue where the Pi sees data corruption at 100KHz, but not at 50 or 200KHz..
[13:08] <gordonDrogon> it's most odd!
[13:08] <SgtBurned> 0_o
[13:08] <gordonDrogon> I'm really no a Python programmer. C and BASIC are my things.
[13:08] <SgtBurned> "See's Data corruption" ?
[13:09] <SgtBurned> "See's Data corruption" ?/
[13:09] <gordonDrogon> yea, top-bit of every byte returned is set.
[13:09] <SgtBurned> ahh
[13:09] <SgtBurned> Strange
[13:10] <gordonDrogon> ah. clients here. laters.
[13:10] <SgtBurned> Cyah
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[13:12] <simonjackson> :q
[13:13] <kai> SgtBurned: what problem?
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[13:15] <SgtBurned> I need to get the current time ( using datetime.now() etc )
[13:15] <SgtBurned> and then store that in a variable e.g Time
[13:16] <SgtBurned> which will most likely be a list
[13:16] <SgtBurned> Time[Month, Day, Hours, Minutes]
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[13:17] <SgtBurned> and then I need to loop through that, find the characters it uses ( A,B,C ) and look that up in a list I have which will return an array of binary digits to look like the character on a 5x7 dot matrix
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[13:17] <SgtBurned> then loop through that to turn on the selected LED at x,y value.
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[13:18] <kai> and your problem is?
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[13:19] <SgtBurned> My Brain :)
[13:19] <SgtBurned> It shuts down half way through
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[13:21] <SpeedEvil> I suggest you try something easier, perhaps something involving lifting heavy boxes.
[13:21] <SgtBurned> ;)
[13:22] <SgtBurned> I've made the program to loop through a certain input e.g @BLARGH Herp Derp@
[13:22] <SgtBurned> but can't seem to get it to work with this time format.
[13:23] <SpeedEvil> ...
[13:23] <SgtBurned> It loops through the list fine
[13:23] <SgtBurned> but the way I have it is the LED array is in 6 grids
[13:23] <SgtBurned> one character per grid
[13:23] <SpeedEvil> What language are you attempting to use?
[13:23] <SgtBurned> Python
[13:23] <SgtBurned> can't do C to save my life.
[13:25] <rigid> SgtBurned: LED array? can't do C? why? i had suggested http://niftyled.de otherwise
[13:26] <SgtBurned> Thanks, ill take a look
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[14:17] <Virdipax> Could anyone here point me in the direction of the best way to handle interrupts when using a GPIO extender with the pi?
[14:17] <Virdipax> (in python)
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[14:37] <Firehopper> http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/geeky-gadgets/~3/bOFa_eD74Yk/ < 130 mpg mower?
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[15:18] <rihnapstor> hello guys
[15:18] <pronto> hey girl
[15:19] <rihnapstor> can any one suggest me good research raspberry pi application project.
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[15:20] <rihnapstor> ?
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[15:20] <rihnapstor> pronto: ?
[15:21] <pronto> research on what...
[15:21] <pronto> theat statement is so general....
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[15:31] <kzoo> has anyone here done any multicast streaming to their raspberry pi with vlc? i am trying to find out which codecs to use, nothing seems to have worked so far. i am doing udp multicast with sap announcement... h.264 video at 512 kbit, with mpega audio at 64 bit seems to be a good candidate but the device crashes quite quickly... h.264 < 512kbit doesn't display any video
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[15:35] <gordonDrogon> Virdipax, what type of gpio extender?
[15:36] <arcanescu> kzoo: is the UDP rtp packeteized?
[15:37] <arcanescu> kzoo: what are you using to play back the stream on the pi?
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[15:39] <Virdipax> gordonDrogon: sliceofpi?
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[15:41] <Virdipax> i have been using adafruit's MCP230xx script to get things rolling up till now
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[15:41] <donta> is anyone logging their RPi's temp?
[15:41] <gordonDrogon> ok
[15:41] <gordonDrogon> I presume you ran out of the Pi's on-board GPIO?
[15:42] <gordonDrogon> however what you can do is the take the mcp230xx int line, connect that to one of the Pi's on-board GPIO's and wait that to the trigger - the poll the mcp230xx for the pin that changed.
[15:43] <donta> could I log the output of this 'vcgencmd measure_temp' to CSV or something?
[15:43] <gordonDrogon> however while I know how to do that in C, I've no idea whatsover about Python, although I understand rpi.gpio can now wait for an interrupt to trigger.
[15:43] <gordonDrogon> donta, sure.
[15:43] <donta> gordonDrogon: any pointers on how to get started?
[15:44] <gordonDrogon> donta, it's a one-line bash script combined with a cron entry - at it's simplest.
[15:44] <kzoo> arcanescu: yes, the it's using a multicast rtp stream (sequenced). i am using xbmc to playback on the device
[15:44] <arcanescu> kzoo: what you might need is a sdp file
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[15:44] <kzoo> i think this would be omxplayer... in the xbmc.log, it shows that it's using something ffmpeg
[15:44] <donta> gordonDrogon: I'm a linux noob so you kinda lost me ;)
[15:44] <arcanescu> kzoo: also make sure first using vlc alone it can be decoded
[15:44] <gordonDrogon> donta, have you written a BAT file for DOS/Win ?
[15:45] <donta> yup
[15:45] <kzoo> the video/audio shows up for about 10 seconds
[15:45] <arcanescu> kzoo: if its using ffmpeg to decode than thats not right it needs to use the omx decoder ont he PI
[15:45] <arcanescu> kzoo: yes because the processor gives in... it should not be using FFMPEG to decode.... processor cant handle ffmpeg
[15:45] <gordonDrogon> donta, right - bash is the Linux equivalent of the command processor, so edit a file, put #!/bin/bash on the first line and the temp command on the 2nd line
[15:46] <kzoo> oh ok. does it fallback to ffmpeg if it the omx player can't handle the codec?
[15:46] <donta> gordonDrogon: what should the file extension be?
[15:46] <gordonDrogon> donta, Linux doesn't care for extensions.
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[15:46] <kzoo> my vlc stream output is: #transcode{venc=x264{keyint=60,profile=baseline,bitrate=512},height=240,width=352,vcodec=h264,fps=5,vb=512,acodec=mpga,ab=64}:rtp{mux=ts,dst=239.255.255.255,sap,name="BNN Media"}
[15:46] <arcanescu> kzoo: im not sure ive not used xbmc to decode or play video....
[15:46] <gordonDrogon> donta, but you might want to use .sh
[15:46] <donta> okay
[15:47] <donta> done
[15:47] <kzoo> i'll keep going on it.. good to know that i should be seeing omx, and not ffmpeg
[15:47] <gordonDrogon> donta chmod +x filename.sh
[15:47] <gordonDrogon> then ./filename.sh
[15:47] <arcanescu> kzoo: ffmpeg will invoke SW based decoding ... you dont want that
[15:48] <donta> filename.sh = what I want the log file to be called?
[15:48] <gordonDrogon> donta, no - thats you're program script file name
[15:48] <kzoo> thanks for the information, at least i know what to look out for now ;)
[15:48] <donta> kk
[15:48] <gordonDrogon> donta, e.g. tempLog.sh
[15:49] <arcanescu> kzoo: np just make sure the xbmc log is attempting on the omx decoder. if that fails then something else is wrong ...
[15:49] <donta> copying it to my pi...
[15:49] <gordonDrogon> donta, edit it on the pi - use nano
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[15:50] <donta> alright, so 4 lines in the file?
[15:51] <donta> or 'chmod +x filename.sh' is a command to run in terminal?
[15:52] <Matt> that's a command to run in the terminal
[15:52] <donta> kk, this is what the file looks like: http://pastebin.com/W2LHKyiH
[15:52] <Matt> "chmod" sets permissions on files/folders, "+x" means "make this file executable", and "filename.sh" is the file you want it to change
[15:53] <donta> Matt: ty!
[15:54] <donta> -bash: ./writetemptofile.sh: /bin/bash^M: bad interpreter: No such file or directory
[15:54] <SpeedEvil> You have a file that has been corrupted by MSDOS.
[15:54] <donta> ah
[15:54] <SpeedEvil> Something has added non-unicy line endings
[15:54] <SpeedEvil> Unixy
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[15:55] * donta is starting over
[15:56] * gordonDrogon sighs
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[15:57] <donta> worked!
[15:57] <donta> now how do I log it?
[15:57] <SpeedEvil> :)
[15:58] * donta is learning so much already
[16:00] <donta> gordonDrogon: purhaps you could assist me with logging it to file?
[16:01] <biberao> SpeedEvil: here'
[16:01] <biberao> ?
[16:01] <SpeedEvil> Not really.
[16:02] <greppy> Does anyone know if this will work with a Pi? https://www.woot.com/offers/aoc-16-usb-powered-portable-led-monitor-3?utm_expid=31924516-17.d6CJYgPtSEy9zmeMJFq0BA.1&utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.woot.com%2Fplus%2Fhp-desktops-aoc-monitors-5#variation=1
[16:03] <SpeedEvil> Nto properly
[16:03] <SpeedEvil> First rule of Pi.
[16:03] <SpeedEvil> Does it work with a normal linux system.
[16:03] <SpeedEvil> If not - then it's hopeless.
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[16:03] <SpeedEvil> (In general, for USB stuff)
[16:03] <SpeedEvil> USB monitors are not in general well suported
[16:04] <SpeedEvil> The common chipset does not support any but the most basic accellerations, and in most cases will revert to slideshows on motion, as I understand it.
[16:04] <greppy> *nod* was just wondering... since it would be kind of slick for some stuff :)
[16:04] <SpeedEvil> chispet drivers, rather
[16:04] <SpeedEvil> Things may have changed in the year or so since I investigated
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[16:06] <cloq> yo
[16:07] <cloq> any idea if I can run a simple teleconference client on rpi?
[16:07] <cloq> 512MB version
[16:07] <cloq> it's mainly a question of performance
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[16:10] <jfmherokiller> does anyone know if libfreetype is allergic to being compiled hardfloat style?
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[16:13] <biberao> whats the best way to connect to the pi gpio without soldering?
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[16:13] <IT_Sean> biberao: floppy cable
[16:13] <SpeedEvil> welding.
[16:13] <biberao> floppy cable as in normal floppies?
[16:13] <SpeedEvil> You can TIG weld the headers.
[16:14] <biberao> SpeedEvil: show me a pic of that?
[16:14] <IT_Sean> biberao: a floppy drive ribbon cable from an old PC will fit the GPIO header perfectly.
[16:14] <biberao> or tut?
[16:14] <biberao> cool
[16:14] <biberao> IT_Sean: i have a few
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[16:14] <SpeedEvil> biberao: I was not being completely serious.
[16:14] <biberao> ok
[16:14] <gordonDrogon> donta, sorry - I had to go elsewhere for a bit. does your script print something now?
[16:14] <SpeedEvil> In principle, it could be done.
[16:14] <biberao> because i dont know about that sorry sped
[16:14] <biberao> *spee
[16:14] <donta> gordonDrogon: yes
[16:15] <gordonDrogon> biberao, start here: https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/gpio-examples/
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[16:15] <gordonDrogon> donta, ok. the touch command will create a file: touch logfile.csv
[16:15] <gordonDrogon> donta, then in your script add >> logfile.csv to the line that gets the temperature.
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[16:18] <gordonDrogon> then you'll want to start to get more creative and add the date + time to the thing..
[16:20] * donta looks around on google
[16:20] * IT_Sean unplugs google
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[16:20] <raidensnake> anyone knows the anserr to jfnherokillers question?
[16:20] * donta cries
[16:20] <raidensnake> answer*
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[16:26] <gordonDrogon> donta, now what?
[16:26] <donta> okay, I've got it writing to file now
[16:26] <donta> googing how to add a cronjob
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[16:28] <biberao> im following a tut
[16:28] <biberao> about that floppy thing
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[16:30] <biberao> gordonDrogon: whats your site again?
[16:30] <biberao> nvm found it
[16:31] <biberao> is skpang.co.uk trustable?
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[16:36] <biberao> gordonDrogon: please
[16:38] <BurtyB> biberao, I've ordered a couple of times from there without issue
[16:38] <biberao> cool
[16:38] <biberao> i might buy the gordon starter kit
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[16:45] <gordonDrogon> biberao, skpang is very trustable. I've used them a lot.
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[16:45] <biberao> know a way to check how much shipping ill pay?
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[16:45] <gordonDrogon> the starter kit with the base, the breadboard and some components is a good deal I think.
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[16:46] <gordonDrogon> I got 2 or 3 of them way back - not because I really needed them, more for the convenience really. IT was just handy to have the Pi and the breadboad fixed together.
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[16:48] <biberao> http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/starter-kit-for-raspberry-pi-p-1070.html <- this is what i meant
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[16:48] <gordonDrogon> yep. that's the basic starter kit.
[16:49] <biberao> i might buy it
[16:49] <biberao> the problem is the shipping not worried aboout customs since im in portugal
[16:49] <zero_coder> gordonDrogon : wiringpi is awesome :)
[16:50] <gordonDrogon> biberao, are there no local electronics outlets selling that sort of stuff?
[16:50] <gordonDrogon> zero_coder, thanks!
[16:50] <biberao> gordonDrogon: it costs more
[16:50] <biberao> or atleast a lot i mean
[16:51] <zero_coder> has anyone tried a android with pi?
[16:51] <IT_Sean> At one point, there was someone working on it. Not sure how far they got though.
[16:52] <IT_Sean> There are several reasons, which i do not recall, why it is not as simple as slapping together an SD card and applying power.
[16:52] <biberao> zero_coder: you mean installing it?
[16:52] <biberao> or running it i mean
[16:52] <zero_coder> biberao : not Android os :)
[16:53] <zero_coder> a real humanoid robot :)
[16:53] <IT_Sean> oh
[16:53] <biberao> so IT_Sean
[16:53] <IT_Sean> erft.
[16:53] <biberao> misunderstood too
[16:53] <biberao> :P
[16:53] <IT_Sean> >.<
[16:53] <biberao> hehe
[16:53] <biberao> IT_Sean: dont be mad jusst saying
[16:53] <biberao> :p
[16:54] <zero_coder> :P
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[16:54] <mumbles> awww im going to lose my pi's uptime
[16:54] * IT_Sean unplugs mumbles' raspi.
[16:54] <IT_Sean> Yup!
[16:54] <zero_coder> the android OS is much popular that it is easy to misunderstand :)
[16:55] <zero_coder> i think i should get a IDE first of all :)
[16:55] <zero_coder> IDE cable :P
[16:55] <biberao> zero_coder: you didnt say it properly
[16:55] <biberao> either
[16:55] <zero_coder> lol , sorry
[16:56] <mumbles> 14:55:46 up 22 days, 23:03, 2 users, load average: 0.08, 0.09, 0.06
[16:56] <zero_coder> i was just a bit excited :P
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[16:56] <gyeben> hi
[16:57] <biberao> zero_coder: you should become zerocool then
[16:57] <zero_coder> hi gyeben
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[16:58] <zero_coder> biberao : why ? wasnt that handle of some famous hacker ?
[16:58] <biberao> in a movie
[16:59] <zero_coder> yep .
[17:01] <zero_coder> huh. then I would choose Captain_JSparrow :)
[17:01] <biberao> or johnny
[17:01] <biberao> ll
[17:02] <zero_coder> :P
[17:02] <savid> Is it possible to monitor TP1 voltage on the RPi via software?
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[17:05] <apo_> neat, the first package of components for my incubator has arrived
[17:05] <apo_> That's the RPi, a fan, and the big resistor
[17:05] <IT_Sean> Time to get that raspi booted up!
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[17:06] <ShorTie> what cha incubating ??
[17:07] <apo_> ShorTie: tortoise eggs
[17:07] <ShorTie> c00l
[17:08] <zero_coder> :P
[17:08] <apo_> ... Now I'm looking at the shop's page for the resistor, and the 'people also bought this' list exists solely of my order with them.
[17:08] <IT_Sean> going to have wee littl' turtles!?
[17:09] <apo_> next year :P
[17:09] <mumbles> whats the bettign that ive forgotten to pack something
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[17:14] <gordonDrogon> savid, you'd need some sort of ADC converter for it.
[17:15] <savid> ah, ok. I was curious if it could be done internally, but seems like it shouldn't be too difficult to build a circuit for it.
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[17:18] <biberao> anyone uses nfs for other oses
[17:18] <biberao> on raspberry?
[17:19] <raidensnake> i have NFS built into my windows phone
[17:19] <raidensnake> but i don't trust it
[17:20] <raidensnake> cause it can easily steam peoples contactless card details
[17:20] <raidensnake> steal*
[17:20] <raidensnake> i disable it
[17:20] <nid0> you mean nfc not nfs
[17:21] <raidensnake> oh sorry
[17:22] <IT_Sean> windows phone? eeeeew
[17:22] <IT_Sean> Android FTW, dude.
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[17:22] <nid0> windows phone is great
[17:22] <IT_Sean> o_O
[17:22] <IT_Sean> But... Windows.
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[17:23] <BurtyB> next you'll be saying CE was the best too :)
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[17:23] <Datalink> I have a CE phone around here... it did the job... not great but it did the job
[17:23] * BurtyB has had 3 CE phones iirc and none of them did the job :(
[17:23] * IT_Sean had a WinMo Classic device a while ago
[17:24] * IT_Sean has since seen the error of his ways, and converted to the correct side
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[17:25] <nerdboy> i'd take a webos phone...
[17:25] * IT_Sean is Quite Happy with Android
[17:26] <nerdboy> webos is a much better linux...
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[17:26] <nerdboy> no funky su apps, you get root out-of-the-box
[17:27] <clever> nerdboy: you can get that with linux too, some distro's just dont give it by default
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[17:28] <nerdboy> the point is webos is a full linux, not like android at all
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[17:28] <clever> ah
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[17:29] <nerdboy> plus i like the interface better than either android or ios
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[17:29] <Datalink> the most important aspect of picking an operating system is if it works well for the user picking it
[17:30] <IT_Sean> ^ that
[17:30] <nerdboy> if you've never tried a webos tablet, it's worth picking up a refurb touchpad
[17:30] <nerdboy> and real linux works best for me...
[17:30] <IT_Sean> A phone OS should meet two important criteria. 1) it shoud work well for the user using it, and B) it should not be Windows Phone. :p
[17:31] <Datalink> friends don't let friends run windows
[17:31] <IT_Sean> ^ that
[17:31] <biberao> unless we hate those friends
[17:31] <clever> ma dads company recently gave him a windows phone for calls
[17:31] <biberao> :P
[17:31] <nerdboy> i would include 3) must be easily hackable
[17:31] <clever> and it lacked tethering
[17:31] <IT_Sean> BOO!
[17:31] <clever> so they then gave out windows CE phones
[17:31] <clever> literal bricks
[17:31] * IT_Sean has tethering, though rarely uses it
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[17:31] <clever> and said to use both, at once
[17:31] <IT_Sean> my first cell phone was the size of a lunchbox.
[17:31] <nid0> windows phone has tethering, dont buy it through a crummy network that disables it
[17:31] <IT_Sean> I kinda miss that phone.
[17:31] <clever> a month later, they recalled the bricks :P
[17:32] <clever> and switched over to galaxy S3's
[17:32] * Datalink has a long drive occasionally, tethering is manditory for him so he hacked his phone to enable it
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[17:33] <Datalink> I last used tethering 2 days ago to get a driver for a wifi card at the TV studio
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[17:33] <IT_Sean> Nice.
[17:33] <clever> the tethering i use the most is wifi based
[17:33] <Datalink> after trouble with that, I just routed ethernet to the damn thing yesterday :P
[17:33] <Datalink> yeah, me too
[17:33] <clever> so that would have been a chicken in the egg problem :P
[17:33] <Datalink> save that long drive
[17:33] <Datalink> oh yeah
[17:33] <clever> and in that situation, you dont even need tethering, you need usb otg
[17:34] <clever> pop a normal usb stick into your phone, download the driver directly with the phone browser
[17:34] <Datalink> pfft, yeah but it's easier to just browse on the destination system's browser
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[17:35] <clever> ive taken appart the HTC HD7 windows phone before, and found something interesting
[17:36] <IT_Sean> whassat?
[17:36] <clever> the main flash for the entire system, is a plain micro sd card
[17:36] <IT_Sean> Nice
[17:36] <johnc-> it's powered by steve job's corpse
[17:36] <clever> but its got the password stuff enabled, linux cant even see the size of the disk
[17:36] <IT_Sean> Can you clone it to a larger capacity card?
[17:36] <clever> password protected
[17:36] <IT_Sean> Darn.
[17:36] <clever> that SD card feature almost nobody uses
[17:36] <nid0> a lot of original wp7 phones did that
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[17:37] <nid0> had an sd port which was internal and used to run the phone itself
[17:37] <clever> IT_Sean: i think its also raid arrayed into the onboard flash ship
[17:37] <IT_Sean> There must be a way to create a new boot image on a larger card, to upgrade the capacity.
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[17:37] <IT_Sean> Dang!
[17:37] <clever> IT_Sean: i suspect its similar to when you upgrade the ps3 hdd
[17:37] <IT_Sean> They really do not want you messing with it. do they?
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[17:37] <clever> connect a recovery image via something and reinstall
[17:37] <nid0> and created quite a clamour when people were going on about OMG these secretive cards that MS have *somehow* protected
[17:37] <nid0> totally forgetting that the S in SD exists or what its for.
[17:38] <clever> IT_Sean: if i remember correctly, the ps3 stores the hdd encryption key on the cpu die
[17:38] <clever> but if you connect an external usb drive with the restore image, it will be able to format a blank hdd
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[17:38] <clever> what remains in the onboard flash is able to verify and restore the hdd to factory defaults
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[17:40] <clever> IT_Sean: also
[17:40] <clever> IT_Sean: the main wifi and cellular antenna, are metalic paint on the plastic back cover
[17:40] <clever> which is over the internal micro-sd slot
[17:40] <clever> you risk damaging the antenna by opening it up
[17:40] <Kane> o/
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[19:11] <savid> I have a UBEC voltage regulator between a roomba and an RPi. The UBEC seems to stay warm even when the circuit is switched off. To see if current was flowing, I disconnected the outputs on the UBEC and put a multimeter in series between the +14.4v and the UBEC input, but it didn't show any current. Was I measuring that wrong?
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[19:14] <ShorTie> dropping almost 10v, i'd get warm too...
[19:14] <IT_Sean> That
[19:15] <savid> Yeah, but if nothing is plugged into the output...
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[19:15] <savid> Why would it be doing any work at all?
[19:16] <SpeedEvil> What range did you have the meter on?
[19:16] <SpeedEvil> And do you know how to measure current - and have you blown the meter fuse
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[19:18] <savid> ah, that could be it
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[19:18] <savid> bah, noob mistake on my part. forgot that plug was 400mA max :-/
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[19:19] <zero_coder> hey
[19:19] <savid> Ok. it looks like the UBEC draws 20mA.
[19:20] <SpeedEvil> 250mW is plenty enough to stay warm
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[19:21] <savid> It's actually not too warm, just barely warm enough to know it's doing work.
[19:25] <SpeedEvil> Get a sane regulator
[19:26] <savid> SpeedEvil, thought I was getting a good one :-/
[19:27] <savid> I mean, it does a good job at regulating with hardly any heat dissipation
[19:27] <savid> I tried a 7805, and that thing got really hot, even w/ a heatsink
[19:28] <savid> This is the one I have: http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__15212__hobbyking_micro_ubec_3a_5v.html
[19:28] <SpeedEvil> One caution.
[19:29] <SpeedEvil> If you leave this on, connected to the roomba battery - if it doesn't have an appropriate undervoltage cutout it may destroy the battery
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[19:31] <savid> True
[19:32] <savid> unfortunately they didn't send a datasheet with this thing
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[19:46] <ShorTie> take a knife and diasect the heat shrink and find out whats in the critter
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[19:49] <savid> ShorTie, it's 6 SubC NiMH cells with a thermistor
[19:50] <savid> http://robot-doc.com/resources/BM1.gif
[19:50] <ShorTie> the UBEC ??
[19:50] <savid> oh
[19:51] <savid> hah, sorry thought you meant the roomba battery :)
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[19:51] <savid> Yeah I'll probably do that. The UBEC is foil-wrapped for EM protection, but I don't think I'll need it. I was wanting to make it smaller anyway :)
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[20:20] <SpeedEvil> savid: You need to arrange some way to terminate discharge of the batteries at 6V or so.
[20:20] <halfie> I am using OpenELEC 3.0 and the boot time is around 40 seconds. Is this reasonable average figure?
[20:20] <SpeedEvil> If you leave it overnight, discharging, it's going to damage the batteries.
[20:21] <savid> Yeah. I probably can't always count on the roomba successfully docking itself. Sometimes it gets stuck in places.
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[20:30] <IT_Sean> halfie: sounds about right
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[20:31] <halfie> IT_Sean, thanks!
[20:31] <IT_Sean> aye
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[21:09] <RTLShadow> I have a question!
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[21:10] <RTLShadow> I'm getting an external HDD for my RPi, but obviously the Pi won't power that.
[21:10] <RTLShadow> So would a cable like this work? http://www.amazon.com/Universal-Adapter-Cable-Female-Connector/dp/B0041CFFBM/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1374260506&sr=1-1&keywords=USB+splitter+data+cable
[21:10] <RTLShadow> Power into the wall/source and data into the Pi?
[21:11] <SpeedEvil> yes.
[21:11] <SpeedEvil> Where wall = adequate power supply.
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[21:11] <RTLShadow> Awesome, thanks.
[21:12] <n3hxs> or like this: http://www.amazon.com/StarTech-com-USB2HABMY3-Cable-External-Drive/dp/B003HHK576/ref=sr_1_8?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1374261095&sr=1-8&keywords=USB+power+and+data+external+drive
[21:12] <RTLShadow> Yeah, but the hard drive I am getting has a unique adapter (like Apple does) so I prefer a USB female input
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[21:13] <RTLShadow> And will keeping an external HDD in a car hurt it in any way?
[21:13] <n3hxs> Ahh, yep
[21:13] <SpeedEvil> Heat is not good for them.
[21:13] <SpeedEvil> Overheating.
[21:13] <n3hxs> The YEP was for the cable you chose.
[21:13] <RTLShadow> I was thinking more for the bumps
[21:13] <RTLShadow> @n3hxs thanks
[21:14] <n3hxs> I lost a SATA drive to heat
[21:14] <RTLShadow> I understand for the overheating, what about the bumps while driving?
[21:14] <RTLShadow> I was on /r/raspberry_pi and they said something to that effect.
[21:14] <SpeedEvil> Mount it appropriately - pick a disk with an appropriate operating shock rating.
[21:15] <SpeedEvil> Or use a SSD
[21:15] <RTLShadow> Okay, thanks.
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[21:15] <SpeedEvil> (But again, appropriately mount it - they're fragile)
[21:15] <RTLShadow> brb
[21:15] <n3hxs> My VW Toaureg radio has a drive.
[21:15] <n3hxs> But I don't know if it is mechanical.
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[21:23] <RTLShadow> back
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[21:42] <gyeben> hi
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[21:45] <RTLShadow> Bye everyone, thanks so much for the help. I'll update you guys when I get them.
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[22:27] <juliend> hi
[22:28] <juliend> I try to run raspbian on qemu
[22:28] <juliend> i follow http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=37386 and http://xecdesign.com/qemu-emulating-raspberry-pi-the-easy-way/
[22:28] <shiftplusone> juliend, what's the problem?
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[22:30] <juliend> raspbian boot but, i tell me run fsck...
[22:30] <juliend> UNEXPECTED INCONSISTENCY
[22:30] <shiftplusone> That's right
[22:30] <shiftplusone> The forum thread you linked, which is also linked in the article talks about this
[22:31] <juliend> oh ?
[22:31] <shiftplusone> run fsck /dev/sda2 and reboot (in qemu)
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[22:34] <juliend> shiftplusone: yes, it's run
[22:34] <juliend> thanks
[22:35] <shiftplusone> np
[22:35] <juliend> at first, i would like use qemu-bootstrap, but i have this problem : https://bugs.launchpad.net/qemu/+bug/1042388
[22:35] <juliend> so i try qemu emulation
[22:37] <shiftplusone> Are you just trying to make your own raspbian image? I am sure you don't need qemu for that.
[22:37] <shiftplusone> well, I don't know what qemu-bootstrap is, so it's probably not what I am thinking of.
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[22:40] <juliend> shiftplusone: i try to compil gitit
[22:40] <juliend> but directly on rapsberrypi, compilation failed.
[22:40] <juliend> and it's very slowly
[22:41] <juliend> so i want to compil it in bootstrap, but, qemu-arm-static can't understand timer create function
[22:41] <shiftplusone> hm
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[22:42] <shiftplusone> I could give cross-compiling a go if you don't get it working.
[22:44] <juliend> hum, i'm looking cross-compiling, but it seems complex
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[22:44] <shiftplusone> It can be a pain, yes, but it's the best option for these things
[22:45] <juliend> ok, i would like try
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[22:49] <juliend> shiftplusone: by which I began ?
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[22:50] <shiftplusone> juliend, I'll try it first. No point making you set up a cross-compiling environment if it doesn't work anyway.
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[23:00] <rikkib> Cross compiling is not difficult... search crosstool-ng
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[23:01] <rikkib> This does all the hard work of setting up a cross compiling environment
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[23:01] <rikkib> juliend,
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[23:03] <juliend> rikkib: yes ?
[23:03] <rikkib> above
[23:03] <rikkib> crosstools-ng
[23:04] <juliend> yes
[23:04] <juliend> i look
[23:04] <juliend> http://www.blaess.fr/christophe/2012/10/19/toolchain-crosstool-ng-pour-raspberry-pi/
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[23:11] <juliend> and what is the pre-built bmc2708 compiler from the RPI tools section on GitHub.
[23:11] <juliend> https://github.com/raspberrypi/tools/tree/master/arm-bcm2708/arm-bcm2708hardfp-linux-gnueabi
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[23:19] <shiftplusone> juliend, a cross-compiler (pretty much what cosstool spits out)
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[23:37] <juliend> hum, ok, I have configure crosstool-ng, and i just run ct-ng build
[23:41] <shiftplusone> hmm... to build ghc, I need ghc.... =/
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[23:43] <ShorTie> but thats after you get a compiler to compile your compiler
[23:44] <ShorTie> is that like, what came first, the chicken or the egg
[23:44] <shiftplusone> the egg
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[23:46] <juliend> shiftplusone: :-(
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[23:50] <juliend> shiftplusone: http://ghcarm.wordpress.com/
[23:50] <juliend> maybe it's i want ?
[23:50] <shiftplusone> no idea
[23:51] <shiftplusone> I'd be poking the haskell folks
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[23:52] * plugwash is not very proud of the dirty hacks he did to make ghc build for raspbian
[23:53] <plugwash> (but what can you do when you don't even understand the language the software is written in and you need to get a new version of something in to fix dependencies....)
[23:54] <shiftplusone> heh
[23:54] <Draylor> hah
[23:54] <Draylor> at times if it works its good enough; making it pretty enough that you could stand showing it to someone else can wait for another day
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