#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2013-07-23

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[0:21] * Set by shiftplusone!~Shift@unaffiliated/shiftplusone on Mon Jul 15 16:29:23 CEST 2013
[0:22] <Robbilie> first, i am from germany where it is legal when you purchase a license ;)
[0:22] <bertrik> well get a license then
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[0:22] <gordonDrogon> what frequency does it transmit on?
[0:22] <Robbilie> and i am not trying to annoy anyone, its about a little science project about tranfering data when usual way of transmitting data are not available (no inet, no phone, no tv)
[0:22] <pksato> On most country, unatorized radio TX is a federal crime.
[0:23] <Robbilie> gordonDrogon, youve read the code, didnt you?
[0:23] <Firehopper> un licenced tx is usally illegal.
[0:23] <Robbilie> pksato, you are right
[0:23] <Robbilie> still, in germany with a license, it isnt
[0:23] <gordonDrogon> Robbilie, I know exactly how it works. just wondering if you do. you'll need to know the frequency to apply for the license.
[0:23] <Robbilie> and anybody can purchase one
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[0:24] <pksato> ham licence?
[0:24] <Robbilie> gordonDrogon, rigt now, its only about theory and planning the project in university
[0:24] <Robbilie> pksato, ham license?
[0:25] <gordonDrogon> Robbilie, if you knew what the frequency is and what it's normally used for, then you'd know that it's not a good idea to try to use it at all.
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[0:25] <gordonDrogon> go out and buy some little ISM radio modules and use those instead.
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[0:26] <gordonDrogon> or just use wi-fi and a pringles can like everyone else.
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[0:26] <Duality> hi
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[0:26] <Duality> is there anyway to get audio out with omxplayer other then the onboard jack ?
[0:26] <Robbilie> gordonDrogon, can you explain me why using the code is not a good idea? :) and why other frequencys are better? and what the hell do i do with a pringles can :D
[0:27] <pksato> Duality: to HDMI.
[0:27] * lupinedk is now known as Lupinedk
[0:28] <Duality> besides that
[0:28] <pksato> RPi FM is only a curiosity, and demostrate how to use some funncions of RPi.
[0:28] <Duality> :)
[0:28] <gordonDrogon> Robbilie, the centre frequency is 100MHz. That's right in the middle of commercial FM radio. I can guarantee that you will not get a license to broadcast on that frequency.
[0:29] <gordonDrogon> if you try then you will blot-out everyones favourite FM radio station for quite a distance around you.
[0:29] <gordonDrogon> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cantenna
[0:29] <Robbilie> gordonDrogon, yes i bet so :) but thats really not the plan :)
[0:29] <Robbilie> is this the pringles thing? :D
[0:30] <Robbilie> what about 109-250 mhz? thats also in the reach of the code and its not used for fm...?
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[0:31] <gordonDrogon> why not do some research? You're at a university - that's what you do - research.
[0:31] <gordonDrogon> I'm not doing your homework for you.
[0:32] <gordonDrogon> but 109-250MHz. I'll tell you now that you'll annoy local police, ambulances, fire, and air traffic control.
[0:32] <Robbilie> thats what i found out right now, i guess thats not what i should try at all...
[0:33] <Robbilie> though, what lower than 88 mhz is used for...
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[0:35] <Robbilie> gordonDrogon, i appreciate your help, i better go to sleep now, kinda late here ;)
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[0:36] <ozzzy> Robbilie: the whole spectrum is used for something
[0:36] <ozzzy> FM isn't the only thing out there
[0:37] <Robbilie> ozzzy, i know but with this script, its the easiest way to try out ;)
[0:38] <ozzzy> you jump into the aviation frequencies up above 109 an you'll find yourself in trouble
[0:38] <ShorTie> FM, Frequency Modulation, is just a way to discribe how data is being sent
[0:38] <ShorTie> has nothing to do with the actual freqency
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[0:40] <Robbilie> can you suggest a frequency than that is typically used to transfer data, really low level..? the idea when using the fm frequencies from 88--109 was to send audio signals with different frequencies and the receiver decrypts them....
[0:41] <pksato> Robbilie: again, use some ISM band RF TX/RX modules.
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[0:41] <pksato> or, wifi and bluetoth
[0:42] <pksato> like it http://dx.com/p/433mhz-rf-transmitter-receiver-link-kit-green-221225
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[0:43] <Robbilie> i guess for those frequencies, the same rules apply right?
[0:44] <Robbilie> and about the range...
[0:44] <gordonDrogon> there's some good stuff at 76GHz that's light licensed - good for 5Km too. very directional.
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[0:45] <pksato> ISM are for low power transmistions, less that 10m.
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[0:45] <CeilingKitten> Hello All!
[0:45] <gordonDrogon> if you want 5Km economically then you really need a commercial frequency - and those are all taken.
[0:45] <pksato> or 1mW to 100mW ERP.
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[0:46] <Robbilie> pksato, well thats not the way to go, we want to tranfer from düsseldorf to cologne ;) gordonDrogon nice tip, really need to go sleep now, i hope i didnt annoy you that much with my questions and not knwoing anyting bout this ;) hope i am welcomed here back tomorow with further questions ;)
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[0:46] <CeilingKitten> Any tips for me, every time i get netsplit or disconnected, and even when i first open my irc and it connects to freenode, i have to manually join #raspberrypi even though its in my list of favs to autojoin it says i havent authenticated my name yet >_> (using PChat, it is a fork of XChat i believe)
[0:46] <gordonDrogon> I work with a wireless data company FWIW...
[0:47] <pksato> try laser comunication.
[0:47] <gordonDrogon> CeilingKitten, get it to delay joining channels until it's authenticated. 10 seconds is usually long enough.
[0:47] <ShiftPlusOne> CeilingKitten, use the server password, don't identify through nickserv
[0:48] <gordonDrogon> pksato, hard to align at 5Km...
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[0:48] <ShiftPlusOne> CeilingKitten, "If your client supports server password, please set this up as accountname:password. Make sure to include the colon. This will allow you to identify to your services account on connect, regardless of the nickname you are using when you connect."
[0:48] <ShorTie> same, same here CeilingKitten
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[0:49] <ShorTie> it's something about this channel, cause auto join works every else
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[0:51] <CeilingKitten> Thanks gordonDrogon & ShiftPlusOne =), got it working smooth now
[0:51] <ShiftPlusOne> yay
[0:52] <pksato> wspr probable can work at 5km whitout breaking regulations.
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[0:54] <ricksl> would i get in trouble from transmitting wspr, if they can't prove it was my device?
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[0:54] <ShorTie> lol, i wouldn't bet on that
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[1:43] <Bozza> I have news I booted the pi
[1:43] <Bozza> And it didn't blow up
[1:43] <Bozza> Today is a good day
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[1:47] <Firehopper> lol
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[1:59] <Xabster> the video codec thing is confusing me... FLV, mp4, WebM, 3GP are not codecs, right?
[1:59] <Xabster> they're file types...
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[2:00] <Xabster> does rpi support h264?
[2:00] <\\Mr_C\\> camera module?
[2:00] <Xabster> if so, does it support all file types or is that application dependent?
[2:00] <Bozza> Yes yes it dös
[2:00] <Bozza> Support h264
[2:00] <Xabster> ok
[2:00] <Bozza> Xabster: are you just a general troll?
[2:01] <pksato> Xabster: yes RPi GPU can decode h264.
[2:01] <Xabster> both mp4 and flv can be h264 - does it support both file types?
[2:01] <Xabster> these are honest questions, I don't know why you think I troll
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[2:01] <Bozza> He has been asking abut YouTube the whole day
[2:01] <pksato> file type are suported by player application.
[2:01] <Xabster> i see, so [02:00:28] <Xabster> if so, does it support all file types or is that application dependent? is a "yes"
[2:03] <Xabster> from the wiki i see that h264 is supported, and that you can pay for mpeg2 and VC1
[2:03] <Xabster> is that a "depleting" list of codecs?
[2:03] <SpeedEvil> depleting?
[2:03] <Xabster> a full list
[2:04] <SpeedEvil> yes
[2:04] <Xabster> thanks
[2:04] <Xabster> http://wiki.xbmc.org/?title=Raspberry_Pi/FAQ#Video_and_audio_formats_the_Raspberry_Pi_can_playback does not say much about audio codecs apart from struggling with DTS - can audio be decoded by normal CPU via software and therefor not mentioned?
[2:05] <SpeedEvil> Generally, yes.
[2:05] <Xabster> i see, so as long as my audio is in a movie with h264 codec, or I'm solely playing audio, i'll be fine... yes?
[2:07] <Bozza> -anyone good with wiring pi?
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[2:08] <Bozza> Xabster: I have a feeling you will be just okay :)
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[2:08] <Xabster> Bozza: I'm developing software and I rather know forehand whether it will work... "bozza thinks it'll be just okay" doesn't really cut it here
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[2:13] <Bozza> The answer to your question is no
[2:14] <Bozza> The PI won't Play sounds in the quack format. Even when with a h264 movie
[2:16] <Xabster> quack format? i was just told that software decoding of audio was possible
[2:16] <pksato> quack?
[2:16] <Xabster> and that's my own experience aswell (that audio decoding is MUCH less cpu intensive and need no special hardware circuits to help)
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[2:18] <pksato> s
[2:18] <Bozza> Quack it's my homemade audio codec I like to hide in h264 content
[2:18] <Bozza> It won't play on the pi
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[2:19] <Bozza> Have you also found these issues with the pi Xabster?
[2:20] <Xabster> you're a dick, and you don't know what we're talking about
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[2:21] <Xabster> can someone confirm that the standard audio codecs are "lightweight" enough for the PI to decode them using regular CPU instructions if it's not doing anything else?
[2:22] <pksato> aac decoded by GPU
[2:23] <Bozza> Xabster i see, so as long as my audio is in a movie with h264 codec, or I'm solely playing audio, i'll be fine... yes?
[2:23] <Bozza> I think someone else doesn't know what they're talking about
[2:24] <Bozza> You have been here all day trying to find out if the raspberrypi can do YouTube ...
[2:24] <Xabster> no, i have not
[2:24] <Xabster> [21:28:50] <Xabster> Why can't it play youtube btw?
[2:24] <Xabster> that was a "btw" question
[2:25] <Xabster> i don't care about it apart from curiosity
[2:26] <pksato> to play youtube, use html5 or external player.
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[2:26] <Xabster> yep, that's what we concluded
[2:27] <Xabster> can a mkv file contain h264 video and <obscure> audio at the same time or do the codecs have to match? i might have misundersood that if you can have differing codecs
[2:27] <Bozza> We have coincided. No?
[2:27] <Bozza> concluded*
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[2:28] <Bozza> Xabster: http://netforbeginners.about.com/od/multimedia/f/codec.htm
[2:29] <Xabster> that site does not answer it
[2:29] <Xabster> ... can you please shut up?
[2:29] <Bozza> Hardly speaking . I am soldering right now :)
[2:30] <Xabster> I'm asking perfectly valid questions here, you're just being a dick
[2:31] <Xabster> and I ask because mp4 can only hold AAC or AC3 audio
[2:31] <Xabster> mkv might be similarly restricted
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[2:37] <l_r> hello
[2:37] <l_r> what is the hostname for the raspberry raspian by default?
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[2:43] <Bozza> l_r: raspberrypi
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[3:18] <Aut0Exec> hi
[3:18] <Aut0Exec> anyone here?
[3:19] <RiXtEr> Nope.
[3:20] <Aut0Exec> lol
[3:20] <Aut0Exec> would a ras pi serer as a good torrent downloader?
[3:20] <Aut0Exec> and file server?
[3:20] <RiXtEr> mayb.e
[3:20] <RiXtEr> Not something I have tried myself, but it should work ok
[3:21] <Aut0Exec> ok
[3:21] <Aut0Exec> speeds are probablynot that great huh?
[3:22] <pksato> for <5mb/s internet connection, RPi may be work well for torrent download.
[3:22] <Aut0Exec> yeah
[3:22] <Aut0Exec> i have like 15
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[3:27] <xxx1> hello
[3:27] <xxx1> is the rpi homepage down?
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[3:40] <Bozza> Holly batman
[3:41] <Bozza> My pi just gave me the rainbow screen and it all restarted on me
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[3:43] <Bozza> What does the rainbow screen mean? The pi version of BSOD?
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[3:44] <pksato> GPU are initialized
[3:44] <Bozza> It randomly gave me that screen when I was fiddling with the USB hub
[3:45] <sney> that was the "oh hi I just turned back on" screen
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[3:47] <Bozza> :)
[3:47] <Bozza> Somehow I don't want to reproduce it.. I think the hub touched some wires on the pcb I am soldering
[3:47] <Bozza> But everything works
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[3:50] <sney> yeah a reset isn't anything to worry about as long as it doesn't become a repeat event
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[3:51] <g2nightmare> has anyone used bittorrent sync on their raspberry pi
[3:52] <sney> it looks like the kind of thing people would use
[3:53] <sney> just remember that anything involving a lot of i/o on the pi can be sluggish
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[4:01] <ShorTie> ya, probilly lost power for a sec
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[5:57] <Bozza> Anyone still awake?
[5:57] <pksato> no
[5:57] <Bozza> :)
[5:57] <Bozza> Are you a pull up expert by any chance?
[5:58] <pksato> olny pull down
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[5:58] <Bozza> :(
[5:59] <Bozza> Got trouble with my GPIO buttons
[5:59] <Bozza> Checking my soldering
[5:59] <Bozza> Maybe I messed up a wire somewhere
[5:59] <steve_rox> fun
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[6:01] <savid> Has anyone noticed lag issues when ssh'ing into the RPi via wifi? I'm using the Edimax EW-7811Un adapter.
[6:02] <Bozza> savid: I got lag when I ssh into my pi
[6:02] <Bozza> No idea why
[6:02] <savid> hmm
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[6:02] <savid> actually, my pings aren't looking too great either.
[6:05] <steve_rox> i cant seem to connect to my ssh over wifi
[6:06] <Bozza> But it works over Ethernet?
[6:06] <steve_rox> can connect to the ftp thu wifi
[6:06] <steve_rox> yea
[6:06] <steve_rox> its like ssh ignores connections from wifi
[6:06] <Bozza> I thought it was just laggy for me over wifi
[6:07] <Bozza> For you it doesn't even work :O
[6:07] <steve_rox> i can ssh over eathernet tho
[6:07] <steve_rox> i get a bit of lag on this laptop ssh cos the wifi card is a bit erratic
[6:08] <bronson> everything other than ssh works though??
[6:08] <bronson> like, long HTTP downloads?
[6:09] <steve_rox> ssh works over eathernet but not when trying to connect thu its wifi adapter
[6:09] <tfinnamore> dumb question, steve_rox, but have you checked in sshd_config that you're not limiting the listening IP?
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[6:09] <steve_rox> its not a dumb question cos im still learning linux
[6:09] <bronson> steve_rox: and ONLY ssh? Everything else works over wifi?
[6:09] <steve_rox> do you know the path to it?
[6:10] <tfinnamore> in my pi its in /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[6:10] <steve_rox> searching
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[6:10] <tfinnamore> ListenAddress is the item you might want
[6:10] <savid> Ethernet speeds are great on my rpi. It's just wifi that's terrible. Not sure if it has anything to do interference or something wrong with the board.
[6:11] <savid> It's very on/off. That is, a streaming transfer goes from 4Mbps to 250kbps and back.
[6:11] <savid> And often it just stalls
[6:12] <debenham> are you using a powered hub for the wifi dongle?
[6:13] <steve_rox> i find no reference to limited listening ip
[6:13] <debenham> I have a lot of problems with my wifi if I plug the dongle directly into the rpi
[6:13] <savid> debenham, nope, no powered hub. I should probably monitor the voltage and see if it drops while doing a transfer
[6:14] <steve_rox> mine reboots when shoveing wifi in cos its a rev 2
[6:14] <tfinnamore> ok steve_rox did you see a line ListenAddress near the top? was it commented out (# in front) or did it say something like listenAddress 192.168.x.x
[6:15] <steve_rox> commented out
[6:16] <tfinnamore> oh. huh. not sure then.
[6:16] <steve_rox> fun times indeed eh
[6:16] <tfinnamore> oh, another thought. the computer you're ssh'ing from, is that on wireless or wired?
[6:17] <steve_rox> i think if i start it with eathernet and wifi you can connect to ssh over wifi , but boot it with wifi adapter only on it and you cant connect
[6:18] <tfinnamore> crazy...
[6:18] <steve_rox> yeah but the adapter does connect and assosiate
[6:20] <steve_rox> annoying since i wanted to do some remote connection stuff on it
[6:20] <tfinnamore> can imagine. I got nothing else to suggest though. other than maybe a firewall is blocking?
[6:21] <steve_rox> nah i dont think so
[6:23] <Bozza> Going to test buttons as soon raspbian boots
[6:23] <Bozza> Wish me luck everyone
[6:23] <RiXtEr> steve_rox, have you done service sshd restart after connecting the wifi?
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[6:24] <steve_rox> id need to be able to connect to ssh in order to give it that command
[6:24] <steve_rox> unless i do it local
[6:24] <steve_rox> cant do it every time i reboot it
[6:25] <RiXtEr> steve_rox, add a command to /etc/rc.local (before the & at the end) like `sleep 30 && service sshd restart`
[6:25] <tfinnamore> not manually, but maybe scripted you could.
[6:25] <Bozza> Getting problems with my buttons
[6:26] <RiXtEr> Bozza, gpio stuff?
[6:26] <steve_rox> well the pertiuclar rpi in question is lookin out my window at moment doing time lapse so i guess ill take notes for later
[6:26] <Bozza> One button responds correctly , more or less. One button responds but stays in the off position even after I let go .. But eventually goes back
[6:26] <Bozza> One button doesn't respond at all
[6:26] <Bozza> RiXtEr: yes
[6:27] <RiXtEr> that can be fun to play with... sometimes just finding the right pin to match the program (even if you are writing it) can be tricky
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[6:27] <Bozza> I am not sure , maybe my soldering is just really bad
[6:28] <pksato> Bozza: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switch#Contact_bounce
[6:28] <Bozza> Will try to pull up the pins
[6:30] <pksato> and http://www.adafruit.com/blog/2009/10/20/example-code-for-multi-button-checker-with-debouncing/
[6:33] <Bozza> pksato: I am using wiring GPIO
[6:33] <Bozza> Doing a GPIO readall to see if everything is working
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[6:34] <Bozza> Two pins work, I think
[6:34] <Bozza> I guess I will have to solder the third button again
[6:35] <Bozza> I think I screwed up somewhere. Maybe a wire is touching something it shouldn't
[6:35] <RiXtEr> Bozza, also if you have the gpio in out mode instead of in mode it can cause things.
[6:35] <Bozza> Everything is in IN
[6:36] <Bozza> The values change from Hi to low when I press the buttons , apart from the one that doesn't work at all
[6:36] <Bozza> Maybe the lag is in the GPIO readall function itself.
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[6:40] <Bozza> Strange when I set the pins to pull up they don't recognise the buttons at all
[6:41] <Bozza> Are my 470ohm resistors an issue here?
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[6:48] <Bozza> I am throwing my towel in for now
[6:48] <traviscline> anyone get an Edimax EW-7811Un into monitor mode?
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[6:52] <Bozza> traviscline: http://i.imgur.com/i9MJVNl.jpg
[6:52] <traviscline> obviously
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[7:31] <steve_rox> well there goes the sun in the uk
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[7:37] <sandeepparitala2> Can anyone help me regarding custom distribution for Raspberry Pi
[7:37] <sandeepparitala2> with debian
[7:37] <steve_rox> i think most ppl are dead at moment
[7:38] <steve_rox> or zombies
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[7:56] <sandeepparitala2> how to make the debian to compile for ARM architecture
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[8:04] <steve_rox> think i better attach the 8AA battery backup to the rpi , the thunderstorms may cut it off
[8:07] <bronson> how long you get out of your UPS Pi?
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[8:09] <steve_rox> probly not long but if the power is not off long it will be okay
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[8:10] <steve_rox> race aggenst time to find some wire long enough
[8:10] <steve_rox> cos its on a tripod
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[8:14] <steve_rox> okay its hotwired in
[8:14] <steve_rox> its getting serious outside
[8:15] <steve_rox> changed time lapse shell to 10 second delay
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[8:17] <steve_rox> i have a 8 aa batt pack hotwired onto a dc-dc down board isolated by a diode to prevent feedback
[8:19] <steve_rox> wish my other rpi had backup power heh
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[8:45] <hifi> if any pi users are looking to get arduino to pair with their pi, someone's making a cheaper clone http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/9-arduino-compatible-electronic-board-anyone-can-learn-electronics
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[8:49] <steve_rox> damn weather cant make its mind up
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[9:09] <sandeepparitala2> How to get gnome on Raspberry Pi
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[9:13] <kaste> sandeepparitala2: which distro?
[9:13] <kaste> also you likely don't want gnome on there, it will be sluggish
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[9:13] <gordonDrogon> morning.
[9:15] <sandeepparitala2> Raspbian
[9:17] <sandeepparitala2> SD card image making for raspberry pi how?
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[9:18] <hifi> gnome as in mate is packaged for raspbian though
[9:19] * bronson can't imagine gnome3 on raspi. shudder.
[9:19] * greppy can, and shudders.
[9:21] <sney> this all seems like setup for the usual "hey, the raspberry pi is really cheap and low power, I'm going to use it as my main computer!" song and dance
[9:21] <sney> which ends in very slow tears
[9:22] <hifi> I wonder if 90% of people who received a pi expected more
[9:22] <sney> I doubt the number is that high
[9:23] <hifi> a lot of people ordered it just because it was cheap
[9:23] <hifi> though it was pointed out many times it were equivalent of P2 or so
[9:24] <greppy> I could see using it as my main terminal, but I also would only be using it as a way to host terminal windows that run ssh and the occaisional web browser... maybe some light editing using gimp or libreoffice from time to time. :)
[9:25] <greppy> it has better stats than my first pc's running linux
[9:25] <hifi> also mandantory ad for my minimal raspbian installer for power users https://github.com/hifi/raspbian-ua-netinst
[9:25] <sney> mine too, but linux OSes were a lot lighter weight in those days.
[9:26] <greppy> *nod* they had to be.
[9:26] <hifi> not much though, you can still run the same software
[9:26] <hifi> debian itself doesn't have much bloat running if you are careful
[9:26] <sney> not with security support you can't. 2.4 kernel? yikes
[9:26] <sney> bloat is not really the reason. just... software scaling up with hardware capabilities.
[9:27] <hifi> minimal install consumes only around 25MB of memory on boot for example, might be even less
[9:27] <hifi> if you choose your software carefully you can still get around the same efficiency
[9:27] <hifi> icewm and such still look as awful as they did back in the day
[9:27] <greppy> I still use nvi to edit files a lot of the time, just because it is faster *shrug*
[9:27] <greppy> fvwm ftw!
[9:27] <greppy> or ratpoison :)
[9:27] <sney> I always forget how "lightweight" turns into a nonsense discussion within 5 seconds. I'm going to bed before it gets annoying and I strike 3 my way to a ban
[9:28] <greppy> lol
[9:28] <hifi> how did it turn into nonsense?
[9:29] <hifi> I bet a properly configured system will be around the same as it was 10 years ago
[9:29] <hifi> the only real issue is web browsing, if you need to do that you're out of luck
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[9:34] <sandeepparitala2> how to optimise raspbian
[9:34] <hifi> optimize how exactly?
[9:34] <bronson> sandeepparitala2: first identify what is slow
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[9:35] <sandeepparitala2> for example i installed libreoffice-draw
[9:35] <sandeepparitala2> and office-impress
[9:36] <kaste> sandeepparitala2: you have severe misconceptions about what a pi can comfortably do
[9:36] <kaste> it's nowt a desktop replacement
[9:36] <bronson> sandeepparitala2: overclock your pi and, when that doesn't work, maybe rewrite openoffice?
[9:37] <kaste> or just don't use it
[9:37] <bronson> probably equivalent statements. :)
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[9:37] <kaste> hell that crap is slow on my desktop, leave the poor pi alone, it hasn't done you harm (I hope)
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[10:28] <gordonDrogon> the issue is that the desktop has grown in the past 10 years too..
[10:28] <gordonDrogon> I can get away with most of what I do using xfce4 on a Pi, but I use latex rather than libre/open office... gimp is slow for modern 16megapixel images though.
[10:29] <gordonDrogon> chromium browser is ok - but not when trying to run the 20 tabs and 3 windows I use on my current desktop.
[10:29] <hifi> the way we use our desktops has changed
[10:29] <gordonDrogon> I'd not even dream of loading up gnome of kde...
[10:29] <hifi> multitasking is all the rage
[10:30] <gordonDrogon> maybe for people coming from win - I've been doing that for over 20 years with unix...
[10:31] <greppy> right now I am just poking at the pi to see what else I can do with it. I made a picture frame that my wife loves :)
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[10:31] <hifi> gordonDrogon: the amount of multitasking
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[10:31] <hifi> you didn't have 20 browsers open 10 years ago
[10:31] <hifi> you had two, probably
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[10:32] <hifi> now 20 browser tabs is quite normal
[10:32] <hifi> you didn't leave memory hogging programs open in the background
[10:33] <hifi> now you can play tf2 while watching a movie and having photoshop open at the same time on 3 screens
[10:33] <kaste> lol 20
[10:33] <hifi> and people do that, because it doesn't really slow down anything
[10:34] <kaste> I know a lot of people that use the browser tabs like a mental stack, they easily reach 200
[10:34] <hifi> I do too, but 20 was just some figure that is quite normal :)
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[10:37] <gordonDrogon> yea, 20 tabs is a lot for me though - I know a chap who does the 200 tabs and dozens of windows things...
[10:38] <gordonDrogon> until 18 months ago I'd been using fvwm for nearly 20 years...
[10:38] <kaste> i'd call them tab messies :p
[10:38] <mgottschlag> <3 firefox tab groups :)
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[10:38] <mgottschlag> I just regard tabs as temporary bookmarks
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[10:43] <kaste> if you got the mem to spare
[10:45] <hifi> memory is cheap
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[10:46] <kaste> on a pi it's not, on my laptop it isn't either :(
[10:47] <hifi> that's why pi doesn't fit for heavy desktop use
[10:47] <hifi> and laptops are the pitfall of relatively cheap hardware
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[10:48] <kaste> I wouldn't support that necessarily, especially the ultra book segment isn't cheap but usually quite mem starved
[10:49] <hifi> if you're after an ultra book then you already made a choice of form factor
[10:50] <hifi> normal people nowdays go for cheap laptops and then are stuck with the limitations
[10:51] <hifi> I bought my "fourth" PC in 2006 after massive hardware failure, been upgrading it up to this day, must say it's worth it
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[10:54] <kaste> Yeah that's why I like normal desktop computers but they seem to become somewhat a thing of the past
[10:55] <hifi> interestingly only the PSU is from the original build anymore
[10:56] <hifi> but the system has been compatible with everything, just have had many changes over the years
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[10:56] <hifi> that said I should have enough spare hardware to build another PC without a PSU...
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[11:15] <gordonDrogon> hifi, Heh.. Like my great grandfathers axe... I've changed the head a few times, the handle too, but it's still my great grandfathers trusty old axe ;-)
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[11:20] <hifi> exactly
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[12:33] <naxxfish> anyone had any success using a Behringer U-CONTROL UCA202 on the latest firmware? sample rates are all broken for me .. :-(
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[13:25] <gyeben> hi
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[13:26] <qmr> Trying to use an rpi for some things at work - is there any way to make the web browser less painfully slow?
[13:27] <dreamreal> qmr: browse on a different machine :)
[13:27] <qmr> :\
[13:28] <dreamreal> You might be able to overclock to help some, but honestly?
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[13:28] <qmr> any other tiny computer in a box suggestions? considering beagleboard or ouya or something else
[13:28] * Lupinedk is now known as lupinedk
[13:28] <mgottschlag> or use a different web browser... I heard that links runs pretty fast on the pi ;)
[13:29] <qmr> how stable is overclocking all the way?
[13:29] <qmr> mgottschlag: we want shiny graphs and crap
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[13:30] <mgottschlag> language
[13:30] <qmr> ?
[13:30] <mgottschlag> but the beagleboard probably works well, or maybe... argh, I forgot the name of that other board
[13:32] <mgottschlag> ... hardkernel was the company which mad them
[13:32] <mgottschlag> pretty fast processor and rather cheap
[13:32] <mgottschlag> and bad software support, but not worse than with other ARM boards :)
[13:33] <dreamreal> qmr: lots of tiny embeddable full PC boards, even running intel chips
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[13:33] <dreamreal> (atoms, etc)
[13:33] <agent005> does anybody know if the alfa usb wifi cards? need more power than the pi supplys to run?
[13:34] <Firehopper> no idea :)
[13:34] <agent005> ahhh
[13:34] <Firehopper> powered hub?
[13:34] <mgottschlag> qmr: http://www.hardkernel.com/renewal_2011/products/prdt_info.php?g_code=G135235611947 that's what I meant
[13:34] <dreamreal> I have yet to find a wifi dongle that the pi has been able to supply enough power for
[13:34] <agent005> ok
[13:35] <agent005> i figured as much when i plug it in it works for a bit and then shuts off
[13:35] <Firehopper> wanda board mgottschlag ?
[13:35] <agent005> so i guess ill get a powered usb hub
[13:35] <ShorTie> sure it's the pi and not your power supply ??
[13:35] <Firehopper> the realtek based one I have the pi can power good..
[13:35] <Firehopper> I'm not using the power port on my powered hub..
[13:36] <Firehopper> I have usb, hub, keyboard, and trackball plugged into mine
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[13:36] <Firehopper> wifi rather
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[13:36] <agent005> ok maybe its just something stupid im over looking. ill that a look at it later today
[13:36] <mgottschlag> Firehopper: hm?
[13:36] <agent005> cause i have the awus036nha the atheros one
[13:37] <Firehopper> nevermind :)
[13:37] <Firehopper> I wanna wandaboard, and a parallelea board, and cant wait for my udoo :)
[13:38] <ShorTie> mornin Firehopper, how was wod ??
[13:38] <Firehopper> plug in the wifi and everything else, and use the a DMM to check the voltage at the two test points.. if its lower than 4.9 you need a beefer power supply
[13:38] <Firehopper> wod?
[13:38] <ShorTie> warbirds over delaware
[13:39] <Firehopper> you want 5.0 or slightly higher.. 5.1..
[13:39] <agent005> ok
[13:39] <Firehopper> oh right.. rainy
[13:39] <Firehopper> :(
[13:39] <ShorTie> bummer
[13:39] <Firehopper> they flew in the rain though
[13:39] <agent005> sounds good
[13:40] <ShorTie> hard to hold a good pilot down, lol.
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[13:40] <Firehopper> I do have some photos.. I have to upload em soon
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[13:47] <ozzzy> you can always tell a pilot... you just can't tell him much
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[13:57] <sandeepparitala2> default login and password for raspbian-ua-netinst
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[13:58] <hifi> sandeepparitala2: root and raspbian
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[13:58] <hifi> documented in the github page, should probably add it to the thread too
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[14:12] <davezZz> hey, anyone done the baking pi cambridge lessons?
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[14:14] <mgottschlag> davezZz: is that the actual question? :)
[14:15] <davezZz> am i supposed to be attaching the LED myself to one of the GPIO pins?
[14:15] <davezZz> or should it be flashing an LED on the board?
[14:15] <mgottschlag> afaik, those tutorials only use the OK/ACT LED
[14:15] <davezZz> the ACT LED is the OK leD?
[14:15] <mgottschlag> yes
[14:15] <davezZz> ah safe, cheers
[14:16] <davezZz> oh no..
[14:16] <mgottschlag> ok is rev1, act is rev2
[14:16] <davezZz> this means it's possible i had it working a long time ago
[14:16] <davezZz> lOL
[14:16] <hifi> my act led actually never blinks
[14:16] <hifi> I wonder if it's broken
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[14:17] <davezZz> oh nm, wrong LED, mine just goes on then off, but i assume that's because it's just powering up
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[14:21] <davezZz> oh my god.
[14:21] <davezZz> it's working
[14:21] <davezZz> spent 2 long weeks trying to get this to work, then a few weeks break
[14:21] <davezZz> and it's all there in the baking pi tutorials, i went all over the show to try and get this to work
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[14:26] <naxxfish> is there a log somewhere of which version of rpi-firmware got shipped on the latest wheezy build? something broke snd-usb-audio for me between that and the current head
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[14:36] <gordonDrogon> hifi, try this: find / -type f -exec fgrep llama {} \; <- that'll make the ok/act LED blink
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[14:39] <davezZz> my act blinks using that tutorial, gonna have to leave that for another day and do the tutorials properly
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[14:40] <gordonDrogon> Hm. running that on a Pi seems to have knocked out its ethernet.
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[14:42] <gordonDrogon> maybe it can't access usb when it's thrashing the SD card. most odd though.
[14:42] <gordonDrogon> .oO( do I power cycle it, or wait for the find to stop.... )Oo..
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[14:43] <gordonDrogon> think I'll wait as I don't need that Pi right now...
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[14:52] <btorch> hmm does it usually take pretty long for the raspbian to resize the partition and filesystem on the sd card ?
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[14:52] <qmr> Shouldn't take too long
[14:52] <btorch> I don't have access to output display so just pinging but doesn't seem to be back online and it's been a few minutes
[14:53] <Orionid> Raspbian has always seemed to resize the fs in just a couple seconds for me.
[14:53] <btorch> ok maybe I guess it's asking for some input ! not sure
[14:53] <btorch> gonna power it off I guess
[14:53] <qmr> If you are using the setup program option it should not wait for input
[14:54] <btorch> I'm .. used the rasp-config
[14:54] <qmr> ehhh... powering off might lead to brokenness. but yea, it should be quick, just a partition resize then grow the fs
[14:54] <qmr> are you using a proper power supply?
[14:54] <btorch> yeah got everything from element14
[14:55] <btorch> so I hope I am :)
[14:55] <btorch> oh it's pinging now :)
[14:55] <qmr> sweet!
[14:55] <btorch> with some timeouts but it is
[14:55] <qmr> D:
[14:55] <qmr> time to buy a new switch obvs
[14:56] <btorch> hehe
[14:57] <hifi> btorch: you're going to run it headless?
[14:57] <btorch> yeah, just setting it up to be an openvpn box
[14:57] <hifi> may I suggest raspbian-ua-netinst for that, it's a lean minimal netinstall, completely unattended
[14:58] <qmr> I think my ISP is filtering connections :/ pondering routing all my traffic over a VPN
[14:58] * hifi is desperately trying to get users for his project
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[15:01] <btorch> so when you guys power it off, you do a halt -p or just unplugging it is fine ?
[15:02] <hifi> yes
[15:02] <hifi> umm, halt -p and then unplugging after it has safely halted
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[15:03] <btorch> also how long do you leave it up and running. I was just going to place it on a location next to the DSL modem or the switch and that's it. not sure about how hot it can get or if it can be dangerous leaving it running non-stop insice these platic cases
[15:04] <m0spf> mine has a current uptime of 90 days in a plastic case
[15:04] <btorch> it can get pretty hot here in brazil :) 30-35 Celsius
[15:04] <btorch> cool
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[15:04] <m0spf> and the last week or so has been reaching 30c inside the house
[15:04] <qmr> btorch: There are some $1-$3 heatsink sets you can get. I suggest getting one of those. should be fine to run 24/7
[15:04] <qmr> I'd worry more about SD card dying than the pi dying
[15:05] <IT_Sean> Unless it's overclocked, you really do not need a heatsink
[15:05] <pwillard> Mine has been running since June28th, not even a hiccup and it's inside a Adafruit case. (the one with only a little airflow)
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[15:05] <pwillard> ha... I meant to write May28th
[15:06] <qmr> "We strongly suggest that you avoid configuring your channel to "auto-op". Use the chanserv "op" command to obtain channel operator status only when needed. This will help to keep your channel temperature low and reduce conflicts."
[15:06] <hifi> god kills a kitten every time you use a desktop SD card image to run a raspberry pi server
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[15:07] <qmr> hifi: what do you suggest using?
[15:07] <hifi> my installer of course
[15:07] <qmr> link? what does it do?
[15:07] <hifi> https://github.com/hifi/raspbian-ua-netinst
[15:07] <hifi> it does a minimal cdebootstrap raspbian install, unattended
[15:07] <hifi> really minimal
[15:08] <qmr> I thought you were saying there was an enterprise-y card to use
[15:08] <hifi> oh, sorry, no
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[15:09] <hifi> I did say image but I guess it was a bit vague
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[15:14] <lambdak0re> anyone ever connected an arduino to an rpi board?
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[15:14] <dan2k3k4_> Anyone seen the Canary security system that was just launched on Indie GoGo yesterday?
[15:14] <dan2k3k4_> http://canary.is/
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[15:15] <dan2k3k4_> how feasible is it to recreate something like that with just a Pi, Arduino, Sensors and HD Camera w/ mic?
[15:15] <dan2k3k4_> Has anyone posted similar projects before?
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[15:17] <qmr> Looks like an overly expensive motion sensor
[15:18] <SpeedEvil> dan2k3k4_: Pretty trivial - with the right camera.
[15:18] <qmr> oh, does a few more things. hmm
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[15:18] <qmr> You can just get a bunch of cameras on the network and use zoneminder. note that zoneminder probably won't run very well on the pi
[15:19] <SpeedEvil> dan2k3k4_: USB camera, wifi, humidity, temperature sensors hung off I2C, and you're done.
[15:19] <pwillard> My arduino is my sensor data collector for my weather station... pi runs the database and presentation... which I'm rewriting in Python...
[15:19] <qmr> Yours probably won't be as pretty
[15:19] <SpeedEvil> Also - people that make retarded websites like that need shot in the head.
[15:19] <SpeedEvil> Several times.
[15:19] <dan2k3k4> then you'd still have to write some decent back-end to control those sensors and trigger things like mail or SMS (or a push notification via your own app) SpeedEvil
[15:20] <SpeedEvil> Well - yes - 'motion' is pretty much it - and can almost do that already.
[15:20] <dan2k3k4> motion?
[15:20] <SpeedEvil> And then a trivial page with air quality.
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[15:22] <SpeedEvil> dan2k3k4: http://sourceforge.net/projects/motion/
[15:23] <qmr> ah, sourceforge. how quaint.
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[15:26] <dan2k3k4> hmm SpeedEvil, so I can pretty much just get a camera and link it to my pi, install that and have it set-up to run and it should work ?
[15:27] <SpeedEvil> Well - a large fraction of the heavy lifting has been done.
[15:27] <SpeedEvil> You will need to do significant coding to get it pretty.
[15:28] <dan2k3k4> Might have to buy another Pi then, current one uses OpenElec and is attached to the TV (though I suppose I could run this on OE)
[15:29] <dan2k3k4> although my LG NAS has usb2ip and can monitor web cam streams (but doesn't have motion detection so could maybe look into installing it there)
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[15:29] <dan2k3k4> except the nas is on Debian Lenny and I've not been able to upgrade it without breaking it [then having to factory reset the system to get it back] :(
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[15:47] <hifi> http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/9-arduino-compatible-electronic-board-anyone-can-learn-electronics a reminder to people if you need a cheap arduino board
[15:47] <Firehopper> usps is thinking about ending home mail delivery entirely, you would have to go to a mailbox cluster and pick up you're own mail there.
[15:48] <IT_Sean> that would suck.
[15:49] <Firehopper> no kidding
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[16:28] <LordDoskias> is the video output of video_encode in annex-b format?
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[16:30] <linuxstb> LordDoskias: annex-b is the format with "00 00 00 01" between the NAL units? If so, then I suspect the answer is yes, as that's the format the decoder wants (and the encoder's output can be fed to the decoder).
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[16:31] <LordDoskias> okay, thanks, that makes life a little bit easier :D
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[16:50] <x0077BE> Hey y'all. I'm on raspbian and after I switched routers, my RPi is no longer letting me SSH in. I get a connection timeout from outside the network and "connection refused" from on the network.
[16:51] <IT_Sean> You moved the raspi do a different router?
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[16:51] <x0077BE> Ports seem to be forwarding OK, and I am able to access the web.
[16:51] <IT_Sean> It probably has a new IP address.
[16:51] <x0077BE> Yeah
[16:51] <x0077BE> No, I assigned it a static IP
[16:51] <x0077BE> And configured the ports to forward to that IP.
[16:51] <IT_Sean> on the new router?
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[16:51] <x0077BE> Yes
[16:51] <x0077BE> I mean, it does have a different IP
[16:52] <x0077BE> But it's an IP I know.
[16:52] <x0077BE> Same IP but on a different subnet.
[16:52] <x0077BE> Interestingly, I've also used it on the new router before.
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[16:52] <x0077BE> Because the "new" router is the router from my old apartment.
[16:53] * IT_Sean shrugs
[16:53] <x0077BE> I moved but my wife stayed in the old apartment for a month or two to finish things up, so I got a new router in the new house.
[16:53] <x0077BE> Preferred the old one, so I switched to that, now nada.
[16:53] <x0077BE> It's very weird.
[16:55] <IT_Sean> indeed
[16:55] <IT_Sean> might be wise to nuke the router's config & start over
[16:56] <x0077BE> Yeah, I imagine I'll have to play with it more when I get home.
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[16:56] <x0077BE> I had that shit running my SSH proxy that I connected to at work.
[16:56] <x0077BE> Quite an annoyance.
[16:57] <x0077BE> Oh, speaking of which, gotta disconnect that to print something.
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[17:25] <lambdak0re> can rpi be used for true realtime circuits?
[17:25] <SirLagz> yes...whether it will be really realtime ? probably not.
[17:25] <IT_Sean> the raspi does not have an RTC
[17:26] <pksato> need a time precision or quick processing?
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[17:36] <lambdak0re> SirLagz: the funnt thing is, a lot of peeps on the web say that 'oh you can add an arduino to your rpi to be more voltage friendly (+5v) insteasd of 3.3v and have the advantage of arduino because it's realtime capable. BUT if RPI is controlling an arduino and if it's slow because it's running some python script taking 100% of the cpu, RPI it's not gonna be slow anyway to control the arduino board and that does not mean that RPI+ARD
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[17:37] <gyeben> re
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[17:38] <mgottschlag> lambdak0re: well, the pi itself is realtime capable, but the operating system is only up to a very limited degree
[17:38] <mgottschlag> the thing is that the arduino or similar can hide quite some of the realtime requirements
[17:39] <mgottschlag> it acts as a buffer
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[17:39] <lambdak0re> mgottschlag: I'm assuming that RPI is running GNU/Linux without any 'fancy' RT capable kernel.
[17:39] <mgottschlag> indeed
[17:40] <lambdak0re> that's what people mostle use on their RPI together with arduino.
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[17:41] <pksato> http://blog.jwhitham.org/2013/06/a-kernel-mode-solution-for-real-time.html
[17:41] <lambdak0re> linux with a proper kernel/tunning can be close to real RT, but still, no comparison to arduino,
[17:42] <mgottschlag> lambdak0re: still, a normal linux is very well realtime capable if you are talking about tolerable delays as large as seconds
[17:42] <mgottschlag> and using an arduino often results in such situations+
[17:43] <mgottschlag> where "very well realtime capable" means "good enough in practice", not "perfect in theory"
[17:44] <SpeedEvil> The beaglebone black cheats - it has its own microcontroller on-die.
[17:44] <mgottschlag> (I actually wrote some hard realtime software for unmodified windows xp... wasn't nice, but worked well enough in practice. it is still in use years later)
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[17:47] <lambdak0re> mgottschlag: I agree, but I think we both agree that can't compete with a microcontroler for RT operations. What I disagree is people on the web saying that if you attach an microcontroler that will BE controller by RPI you will get an true RT platform. I disagree with that. If RPI is talking to arduino via IC2 for example, but sudenly became super busy with some house keeping ops like garbage collection, trust me, that arduino wil
[17:47] <lambdak0re> so adding an arduino to an RPI does not transform your RPI capable of doing REAL RT stuff.
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[17:48] <lambdak0re> I'm talking about missing critical stuff, where there is not margin to a lot of delays. u usually use a micro for that.
[17:48] <lambdak0re> not an RPI.
[17:49] <mgottschlag> no "true RT platform" is usable for all RT-related problems either, so I don't think this is a valid criterion
[17:49] <mgottschlag> it might not be a very capable RT platform, but it certainly is one
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[17:50] <mgottschlag> and if your software causes huge garbage collection delays, than that's not a problem of the underlying platform :)
[17:50] <mgottschlag> there aren't many critical python scripts running per default on the pi which could cause garbage collection delays, so the largest source of delays is SD card I/O
[17:51] <mgottschlag> and that one is very well manageable, even with a stock operation system
[17:51] <mgottschlag> anyways, bbl
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[17:52] <mgottschlag> (in any case rpi + microcontroller is a better platform than the microcontroller alone... after all you only gain additional features and never lose any, and it is the task of the developer to partition the problem wisely)
[17:52] <lambdak0re> mgottschlag: I agree.
[17:54] <lambdak0re> mgottschlag: but I would still not trust an RPI+arduino for mission critical RT stuff, something like a industrial robot, etc where response to interrupts if very very critical.
[17:54] <lambdak0re> like you said and I agree, RPI is finy for mostly 'RT' stuff
[17:55] <lambdak0re> as long as RPI is not doing anything crazy in background.
[17:55] <lambdak0re> taking up ressources.
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[17:57] <mgottschlag> sure
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[17:57] <ShorTie> rPi's make good plc's, not real good pc's
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[18:10] <Geniack> but every plc has a pc in it
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[18:12] <lambdak0re> Geniack: maybe a plc does not run a Soft Real-Time OS like Linux
[18:12] <lambdak0re> L(
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[18:13] <Geniack> well i was just referring to the letters
[18:13] <Geniack> 'pc' is a subset of 'plc'
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[18:14] <Geniack> but nevermind, its quite hot over here
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[18:19] <lambdak0re> Helldesk:
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[18:22] <vasundhar> My Edup Wifi adapter won't get powered on some times any solution … This is happening with both OpenElec and Raspibian
[18:23] <SpeedEvil> Have you connected it to a powered hub?
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[19:52] <Bozza> To guys
[19:52] <Bozza> Yo*
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[19:53] <Bozza> For some reason when I set my pins to pull up the button pushes aren't detected at all
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[19:53] <Bozza> Why
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[20:00] <gordonDrogon> what are your buttons connected to?
[20:01] <Bozza> 470ohm resistors
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[20:01] <Bozza> And after that they go to the GPIO
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[20:01] <gordonDrogon> then to where - the +3.3 side or the 0v side
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[20:02] <Bozza> 3v3
[20:02] <gordonDrogon> right.
[20:03] <Bozza> Is that the droid I am looking for?
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[20:03] <gordonDrogon> so your circuit looks like this: +3.3 -->-- R -->-- button -->-- gpio --> +3.3
[20:03] <Bozza> Should I connect it to 0v?
[20:03] <gordonDrogon> so you have a U shaped circuit with both tops connected to 3.3v
[20:03] <gordonDrogon> once externally and once internally.
[20:04] <gordonDrogon> so the pin will *always* read high.
[20:04] <Bozza> It goes like this
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[20:05] <Bozza> GPIO pin ----> R------> button ----> 3v
[20:05] <gordonDrogon> ok -
[20:05] <Bozza> Bit sure if the resistor is before or after the button
[20:05] <gordonDrogon> but internally you enabled the pull-up.
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[20:05] <Bozza> Before I think
[20:05] <Bozza> Yes
[20:05] <gordonDrogon> button & resistor order isn't imporant here.
[20:05] <gordonDrogon> so what you need to do is remove the internal pull-up and enable the internal pull-down.
[20:05] <Bozza> Yes when I enable the pull up it always reads LO
[20:06] <Bozza> When I pull down , it reads high unless I press a button
[20:06] <Bozza> In which case it reads LO
[20:06] <gordonDrogon> are you using wiringPi readall to do the reads?
[20:06] <gordonDrogon> ie. gpio readall
[20:06] <Bozza> Yes
[20:06] <gordonDrogon> I only ask ask there's a bug in it )-:
[20:07] <Bozza> There is? I thought the program might be unreliable
[20:07] <gordonDrogon> it's very reliable. reliably the wrong way round.
[20:07] <gordonDrogon> I accidentally pushed a version with some new readall code I was testing.
[20:07] <Bozza> Ohh you're Gordon from wiring pi
[20:07] <gordonDrogon> yes.
[20:08] <Bozza> Cool :)
[20:08] <gordonDrogon> so do this:
[20:08] <gordonDrogon> what pin is your button on?
[20:09] <Bozza> When the buttons were pushed down, sometimes when I quickly refreshed GPIO readall the pin still read LO . Even though finger wasn't on it
[20:09] <Bozza> GPIO 0 and the two pins below it
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[20:09] <gordonDrogon> ok.
[20:09] <gordonDrogon> try this: gpio mode 0 in ; gpio mode 0 down ; gpio read 0
[20:10] <gordonDrogon> don't push the button when you do the gpio read 0
[20:10] <Bozza> One sec , will go to the basement in a minute
[20:10] <Bozza> Ahh ok
[20:10] <gordonDrogon> then push (& keep pushed) the button, then do gpio read 0 again.
[20:10] <gordonDrogon> it should read 0 with the button open and 1 with it closed.
[20:10] <Bozza> Ok, will do
[20:11] <Bozza> I thought this might be my bad soldering skills after all
[20:11] <Bozza> Led and a battery seemed to work on the switched
[20:11] <Bozza> switches*
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[20:13] <Bozza> GPIO read 0 gives me a blank line
[20:14] <Bozza> gordonDrogon: no matter if the button is pushed or not
[20:14] <Bozza> On readall it changes from hi to LO when the button is pushed
[20:15] <Bozza> Btw your projects are awesome!
[20:16] <Bozza> I love them!!
[20:16] <Bozza> Going to try to get an LCD screen working next ..
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[20:16] <Bozza> Well an IR receiver first though
[20:17] <Bozza> gordonDrogon: oops those are not 470ohm resistors .. They're 330ohm apparently
[20:18] <Squarepy> I remember there was a quite effective arduino lib for IR receivers
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[20:19] <Bozza> Squarepy: yes first though I am still trying to get those stupid buttons to work hehe
[20:19] <Bozza> Squarepy: lirc is also quite good
[20:19] <Bozza> apparently
[20:20] <gordonDrogon> sorry - was akf.
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[20:20] <gordonDrogon> don't use readall, use oreadall
[20:20] <gordonDrogon> gpio read 0 should never give you a blank line. it will print 0 or 1.
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[20:22] <Bozza> Let me log into x
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[20:23] <Bozza> I am connected using the av cables.. The left side of the screen is ever so slightly cut off
[20:24] <gordonDrogon> echo "..................`gpio read 0`"
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[20:24] <gordonDrogon> use the shell, ook.
[20:24] <Bozza> Ahh echo . Didn't think of that
[20:25] <Bozza> Ok logged into the shell
[20:25] <Bozza> It gives me a 1 when I push it down
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[20:25] <Bozza> 0 before I push it down
[20:25] <Bozza> Mode in and down
[20:25] <gordonDrogon> yup.
[20:25] <gordonDrogon> sorted :)
[20:26] <gordonDrogon> now back to my piglow :)
[20:27] <Bozza> Hehe, :)
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[20:30] <Bozza> I think I am going to check my soldering again . Third button doesn't work at all
[20:31] <Bozza> gordonDrogon: quick question. A couple of people said I should pull up the pins. That's wrong isn't it?
[20:31] <Bozza> Thanks so much for fixing the issue! :)
[20:31] <gordonDrogon> it's not wrong, but it depends on the buttons.
[20:32] <gordonDrogon> if you connect the gpio to 0v via a button then you need a pull-up.
[20:32] <gordonDrogon> that's a traditional way to do it - as a lot of microcontrollers only have pull-up's and not both up and down.
[20:34] <Bozza> Is there a 'better way'? Or a proffered way?
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[20:45] <iamanflder> quick poll: best xbmc skin
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[21:00] <double-you> what's the best language to write a text user interface to do some basic things like turn wifi/eth on/off, do a restart and so on?
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[21:01] <Bozza> Python is good
[21:02] <double-you> and the best would be to see the screen of the program after logging in over ssh
[21:02] <ShorTie> but good for what is the ??
[21:02] * ShorTie snickers
[21:03] <double-you> ?
[21:04] <ShorTie> i don't think those are even related
[21:05] <ShorTie> the screen just outputs what ever your program tell it to
[21:06] <double-you> so I even could run a shell script which is waiting for user input over screen?
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[21:07] <ShorTie> sure
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[21:10] <Bozza> double-you: maybe a simple bash ui?
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[21:11] <hifi> raspi-config uses the debian dialog utility/program
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[21:15] <Firehopper> https://twitter.com/MyPontifexNinja/status/356169281664331776/photo/1 < what can you smoke in ecigs? BACON! is this a bad idea or what? :)
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[21:18] <ShorTie> that takes smoking bacon to a whole new level, lol.
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[21:19] <double-you> at the moment I have a interface like that: http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/7308/rm4u.jpg
[21:20] <double-you> but I want some information be updated every 5 seconds and so on
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[21:21] <hifi> you do know codec status doesn't change live?
[21:21] <hifi> nor your firmware version
[21:21] <double-you> things like free hd space :-)
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[21:25] <ShorTie> delay (5000);
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[21:31] <Jeena> Hi, I don't have a SD-card reader/writer for my PC but I have a SD-card with a RP-OS which I can boot from on my raspberry pi already. Now I would like to test another OS for the rp but without buying a SD-card writer for my PC, instead I would like to use a usb stick
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[21:32] <Jeena> is there some bootloader or something like grub for the raspberry pi?
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[21:33] <Jeena> The only thing I found was that I could change the boot partition to the usb one in cmdline.txt but when I fail and it doesn't boot from the USB then my raspberry pi will be a brick
[21:33] <Jeena> untill I buy a new SD card with a rp-os or a SD-card writer for my PC
[21:34] <\\Mr_C\\> jeena
[21:34] <\\Mr_C\\> you in the usa?
[21:35] <Jeena> No, I'm in Sweden.
[21:35] <\\Mr_C\\> you dont got any shops there you can get a card reader?
[21:35] <\\Mr_C\\> they are dirt cheap
[21:35] <\\Mr_C\\> or a laptop you can put the card in
[21:35] <\\Mr_C\\> some laptops have sdcard slot
[21:35] <Jeena> I have a ThinkPad but no SD card slot
[21:36] <\\Mr_C\\> oh
[21:36] <\\Mr_C\\> i would recomend getting a crd reader
[21:36] <Bozza> First world problems :)
[21:36] <\\Mr_C\\> they are almost always needed
[21:36] <Jeena> It kind of seems like this would be a easy software fix
[21:36] <Jeena> hehe Bozza
[21:37] <Jeena> The second problem is, my slot on the rp broke the first time I tried to put the sd card in
[21:37] <Bozza> There is a bootloader for the pi where you can install different images before the OS boots
[21:37] <Jeena> so I kind of fixed it with Sugru but now I can't get the card out easily
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[21:38] <MachinaeWolf> Why won't dbus install???
[21:38] <Jeena> yeah that one I found but you need to install it on the SD card and you need a SD card reader for it
[21:38] <Bozza> Jeena: http://www.berryterminal.com/doku.php/berryboot
[21:38] <Jeena> what is a dbus install?
[21:38] <MachinaeWolf> it's not an install it's a package
[21:38] <MachinaeWolf> and it Won't install :/
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[21:39] <Jeena> Bozza, afaik you need a SD card reader to install Berryboot?
[21:39] <Bozza> http://www.brouwerstours.nl/media/vk_11/Website/wagenpark/brouwerstours/180/De_bus_krijgt_steeds_meer_fans_1024x680.jpg
[21:39] <Bozza> De bus
[21:39] <\\Mr_C\\> they are like 99 cents from china with free shipping
[21:39] <Bozza> Jeena: yes but only the one time
[21:39] <MachinaeWolf> well anyways wicd needs dbus and dbus refuses to install
[21:40] <MachinaeWolf> On 2 pi distos I might add, fedora and raspbian
[21:40] <Jeena> Bozza, doesn't help, I don't have one here right now and it is 9:40 PM so I can't buy one now
[21:40] <Jeena> but ok, I will try to find one tomorrow somewhere in town
[21:40] <\\Mr_C\\> how in the heck did you break the slot?
[21:40] <\\Mr_C\\> thats pretty brutal
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[21:41] <Jeena> not really, at least on mine there was just 0,5 mm of plastic and I didn't even push hard
[21:41] <Jeena> I kind of think it was some material fail or something
[21:42] <Jeena> I saw the credit card fix on the internet today, I will try to fix it that way, then I will be able to get it out and in again
[21:42] <Bozza> That's what she said joke would be appropriate here ... Somewhere
[21:43] <Bozza> :3
[21:43] <Jeena> :-p
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[21:44] <Bozza> I am sure you will be able to fix it
[21:45] <Bozza> Can't you replace the whole clips.
[21:45] <Bozza> clip*
[21:45] <Bozza> What OS have you got on the pi how's.
[21:45] <Bozza> now*
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[21:51] <Jeena> it is the one which was on it when I bought it
[21:51] <Jeena> uname only says Linux ;)
[21:52] <Jeena> I could perhaps replace the clips but I assume the whole thing would be more expensive then buying a new rp
[21:53] <Jeena> ah it is Debian GNU/Linux wheezy/sid
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[21:55] <Jeena> hm perhaps that could be a cool project to learn more about linux and stuff, trying to get grub working on the rp
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[21:58] <Jeena> ah there is not grub for arm
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[22:04] <Jeena> oh and that seems not to be true http://sourceforge.net/projects/arm-grub/
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[22:18] <Jeena> a SD card reader here costs between $16 and $40 which makes it almost as expensive as the rp ... :-(
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[22:19] <SpeedEvil> Whaaaat?
[22:19] <SpeedEvil> That's pretty ridiculous.
[22:19] <SpeedEvil> Where are you?
[22:20] <Jeena> Sweden
[22:20] <Jeena> http://www.kjell.com/Sok?query=Minneskortsl%C3%A4sare (it is in SEK, swedish krona)
[22:20] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ALL-IN-1-USB-STICK-MULTI-MEMORY-CARD-READER-SD-MINI-SDHC-MS-MIRO-M2-TF-MMC-/160738775844?pt=UK_Photography_MemoryCardReaders_RL&hash=item256cc71324
[22:21] <SpeedEvil> Err - I said sweden, why did it return uk
[22:22] <Jeena> there is no swedish ebay
[22:22] <SpeedEvil> Oh - right
[22:22] <SpeedEvil> I see
[22:22] <Jeena> they bought tradera.se back then and people rarely use it
[22:23] <Jeena> I will check pricerunner
[22:23] <SpeedEvil> 3 or 4 euro, tops
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[22:24] <Jeena> + shipping
[22:25] <Jeena> but yeah here it seems I will find something http://www.pricerunner.se/cl/233/Minneskortslaesare-och-Adaptrar?sort=3&viewType=standard
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[22:25] <Jeena> but I will need to wait a couple of days before it gets here, ok
[22:26] <SpeedEvil> Going too cheap can result in mechanical issues, but they tend to electrically work
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[22:29] <Jeena> I'd like to buy one locally but it seems the shops which we have here only have the ones for > $16
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[22:32] <SpeedEvil> Actual physical retail shops are expensive.
[22:32] <SpeedEvil> However - do you have euro stores?
[22:33] <Jeena> no I don't think so
[22:33] * SpeedEvil is reminded of http://www.theonion.com/audio/everythings-10000-chain-goes-out-of-business,32079/
[22:33] <Jeena> we don't even have Euro but Swedish Krona ^^
[22:33] <Jeena> hehe
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[22:47] <Bozza> Tony keeps killing me
[22:47] <IT_Sean> o_O
[22:47] <gordonDrogon> Tony?
[22:47] <Bozza> Anyone tried open arena?
[22:47] <IT_Sean> Tony?
[22:47] <Bozza> Yes tony from open arena :)
[22:47] <gordonDrogon> a-ah.
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[22:48] <Bozza> Hehe
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[22:48] <Bozza> The frame rate isn't too great
[22:49] <Bozza> And dark
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[22:53] <Bozza> Killed tony finly
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[23:12] <clever> http://ext.earthtools.ca/export/rpi_60.html ive now got my rpi graphing the lipo battery voltage! :D
[23:13] <clever> currently at 3.66 volts
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[23:26] <gordonDrogon> what sensor are you using?
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[23:31] <gordonDrogon> 3.66 is low for the Pi - I guess you have a buck/boost converter?
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[23:32] <clever> gordonDrogon: https://www.sparkfun.com/products/10617 to measure the voltage and remaining charge
[23:33] <clever> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/11231 for boost and charge
[23:33] <clever> so its always getting 5v to run at
[23:33] <clever> but i can read the 3.60 cell voltage via i2c at any time
[23:34] <clever> as expected, the cell voltage is dropping faster now, the boost regulator is sucking more current to maintain constant power
[23:35] <gordonDrogon> yea.
[23:35] <gordonDrogon> neat little a/d unit.
[23:35] <clever> its also supposed to measure the total charge in the cell, and give you a percentage until empty
[23:35] <SpeedEvil> Does it automatically shyutoff ?
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[23:35] <gordonDrogon> I looked at those little converters a while back too.
[23:36] <clever> SpeedEvil: the boost converter should have that feature, and the protection board on the lipo too
[23:36] <clever> with a 2000mAh battery, it runs about 4 hours on wifi
[23:36] <clever> but i have it on ethernet right now
[23:37] <clever> yeah, here it is, 2.6v lockout on the boost converter
[23:37] <clever> with a solder jumper on the bottom to disable it if you wanted to
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[23:37] <clever> so my cacti graph should just go dead at 2.6 volts
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[23:38] <clever> if i'm reading the monitoring chip right, it says 14% charge remains
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[23:43] <biberao> hi
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[23:45] <ShorTie> good mornin
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[23:47] <clever> gordonDrogon: hmmm, if i'm reading this right, the monitoring chip takes the cutout voltage into account
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[23:47] <clever> and targets the 0% full level for 2.6 volts remaining
[23:47] <clever> so it will read as empty when the safety kicks in and cuts power
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[23:48] <lansiir> clever: The real question is - does the indicated 50% compensate for the increased power draw as voltage drops?
[23:48] <clever> lansiir: the graph in cacti appears to be linier
[23:48] <clever> much more then the voltage graph
[23:49] <clever> but i would need to run it thru a full charge and discharge cycle to know for sure
[23:49] <clever> also, its currently saying 4% remaining, 3.51 volts
[23:49] <clever> it should have another 0.9 volts left in it
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[23:57] <clever> lansiir: and it flat-lines!, its now reading 1% remaining
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[23:57] <clever> yet its still going
[23:57] <clever> vcell:3.47 soc:1
[23:58] <clever> vcell:3.4675 soc:1
[23:58] <clever> resolution on this adc is pretty fine, 0.00125 volts

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