#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2013-07-24

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[0:09] <clever> vcell:3.4125 soc:0
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[0:22] <clever> bbl
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[0:28] <reindeerflotilla> hi guys, looking to get a bluetooth headset working but I'm hitting some issues. Any help I can get is really appreciated
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[0:28] <reindeerflotilla> using hcitool I can connect to the headset, but I can't seem to see it show up under aplay -l
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[0:29] <reindeerflotilla> my hope is that it would just appear there after I connect, but I guess not. Do you typically have to install drivers specifically for the headset itself?
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[0:30] <clever> lansiir: hmmm, seems the charge chip cant keep up with the boost
[0:30] <clever> voltage is still dropping while on charge
[0:31] <clever> i'll just shut the pi off and go to bed while it chargs
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[0:32] <lansiir> clever: Up the cutoff point a bit?
[0:32] <clever> it didnt reach the cutoff voltage
[0:33] <clever> but the boost chip was sucking current out faster then the charge chip could put it in
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[0:33] <clever> and the charge chip gets insane hot after even a minute of charging
[0:33] <clever> ow my finger hot :P
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[0:37] <clever> bbl
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[1:33] <ihavenick> hi
[1:34] <ihavenick> can anyone help meh?
[1:35] <ihavenick> Hellooo ?
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[1:36] <ihavenick> hellooo?
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[1:38] <ihavenick> hellooo?
[1:40] <hybr1d8> help with what?
[1:40] <Ladon> it's easier if you just ask the question and then wait for a response
[1:40] <ihavenick> hmm :D
[1:40] <Ladon> if somebody is around they will help you, and so long as you stick around somebody probably will over time.
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[1:41] <ihavenick> i entered
[1:41] <ihavenick> sudo rasp-update
[1:41] <ihavenick> (like this
[1:41] <ihavenick> opps
[1:41] <ihavenick> it updated kernel and modules
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[1:41] <ihavenick> but now filesystem /dev/sda2 (dev/root)
[1:42] <ihavenick> mounting as read-only
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[1:42] <hybr1d8> run fsck on the device to see if there any problems with the device
[1:43] <ihavenick> i checked with gparted
[1:48] <Ladon> anybody use berryboot able to run headless? (VNC connection for remote control)?
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[1:52] <yggdrasil> yo yo wasup
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[1:55] <hybr1d8> ihavenick: run 'dmesg |less' to check the boot messages - it may say why the remount of root didn't work
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[2:06] <ihavenick> nothing worked :(
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[2:39] <yggdrasil> whats going on in here ?
[2:39] <ShorTie> sos
[2:39] <ShorTie> sup u ??
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[2:39] <yggdrasil> just chlling
[2:39] <yggdrasil> passed my ccent test :0
[2:39] <yggdrasil> high on life
[2:39] <yggdrasil> brb check on kids
[2:40] <ShorTie> c00l
[2:40] <ShorTie> congrades
[2:43] <yggdrasil> yea
[2:43] <yggdrasil> thanks
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[2:43] <yggdrasil> other than that i was looking for a gentleman that i met in here the other day
[2:43] <yggdrasil> we were messing with the roombas
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[2:46] <Bozza> Wild gentleman appears out of the bushes
[2:46] <Bozza> Well hello there
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[2:52] <yggdrasil> Bozza: sup
[2:52] <yggdrasil> damit
[2:52] <yggdrasil> my mouse is malfunctionaling
[2:52] <yggdrasil> brb reboot
[2:52] <Bozza> Alright
[2:52] <Bozza> Give it some cheese
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[2:52] * ShorTie snickers
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[2:55] <yggdrasil> ahh tahts better
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[2:56] <dougiel> anyone know where I can get a zwave controller module for the pi?
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[2:57] <dougiel> I was drunk when I saw it and now I cannot find where it was or where to buy it....
[2:58] <dougiel> the good news is I might have to have a few more drinks - lol
[2:59] <yggdrasil> what does it do ?
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[3:14] <dougiel> yggdrasil, it controls devices (eg dimmer switches/outlets) that are zwave networkable wirelessly
[3:14] <yggdrasil> ahh yea
[3:14] <dougiel> I want to play with home automatiion
[3:14] <yggdrasil> i saw it on an article for best raspberry pi accesories
[3:14] <yggdrasil> or add ons
[3:14] <dougiel> yeah
[3:14] <yggdrasil> it was like the top 10 raspi accessories
[3:15] <hybr1d8> https://www.google.com.au/search?q=top+10+raspi+accessories+zwave
[3:15] <hybr1d8> :)
[3:15] <hybr1d8> http://www.uk-automation.co.uk/products/RaZberry-Z-Wave-controller-for-the-Raspberry-PI.html
[3:16] <hybr1d8> or http://www.amazon.com/Aeon-Labs-Z-Wave-Z-Stick-Series/dp/B003MWQ30E
[3:17] <dougiel> darn now I need another excuse to get drunk... thanks hybr1d8 :)
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[3:20] <hybr1d8> :)
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[3:35] <Bozza> Anyone want to give me a quick game of raspbian quake? :)
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[4:29] <Shadow__X> hello everyone
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[4:30] <devslash> is there a way to display or mirror my pi to my hdtv wirelessly?
[4:31] <Shadow__X> i am trying to stream my rpi camera using raspberrypi.org/camera but when i run raspivid -t 999999 -o - | nc [insert the IP address of the client] 5001 on the rpi it just exits out
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[4:34] <Shadow__X> devslash: would you mind explaining why you want to do that? as there are expensive ways to do that
[4:35] <[Saint]> devslash: assuming the television doesn't have a sane operating system, which then rules out VNC et al, or ssh+screen, ...almost certainly not.
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[4:35] <devslash> because i have a model b rpi and my tv is located ~20feet from my tv
[4:35] <[Saint]> ~20ft RCA cable. Fixed. :)
[4:35] <Shadow__X> your tv is located 20feet away from your tv?
[4:35] <hybr1d8> there are wireless HDMI senders - but they cost well over a hundred bucks
[4:36] <devslash> damn
[4:36] <PKodon> devslash: Wait, how is your TV 20ft from itself?
[4:36] <devslash> my tv is 20 feet away from my pi
[4:36] <hybr1d8> it would be cheaper to put another rpi next the the TV, and then remote display via X to that pi
[4:36] <[Saint]> Quantumn mechanics ;)
[4:36] <Shadow__X> devslash: move your rpi closer or get another one
[4:36] <Dagger3> even cheaper solution: move the RPi 20ft closer to the TV
[4:37] <[Saint]> It would be cheap*est* to just use a ~20ft RCA cable. :)
[4:37] <devslash> but then i wouldnt be able to connect to the internet
[4:37] <[Saint]> or, move the pi...yes.
[4:37] <Shadow__X> devslash: make a longer ethernet cable
[4:37] <PKodon> devslash: 20ft ethernet cable?
[4:37] <[Saint]> Longer CAT cable.
[4:37] <devslash> if i get a wifi adapter id need a hub
[4:37] <devslash> i dont want an ethernet cable
[4:37] <Shadow__X> or advice
[4:37] <[Saint]> Even if you buy a dangle and a hub, its a LOT cheaper than wireless HDMI
[4:37] <[Saint]> *dongle
[4:38] <Dagger3> nobody should ever need hubs in this day and age :/
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[4:38] <[Saint]> Dagger3: ...what?
[4:38] <PKodon> ::facepalms::
[4:38] <[Saint]> How does that ever make sense?
[4:38] <Dagger3> oh, wait
[4:38] <Dagger3> USB hub
[4:38] <Dagger3> that makes more sense
[4:38] <[Saint]> ...and the derp award goes to...
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[4:38] <[Saint]> :P
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[4:39] <PKodon> devslash: How are you getting internet to the Pi now?
[4:39] * ReggieUK (ReggieUK@ Quit ()
[4:39] <Ladon> magic
[4:39] <Shadow__X> when i run this raspivid -t 999999 -o - | nc 5001 on my raspberry pi something shows up on my screen for a second and then the command exits
[4:39] <devslash> wired ethernet but x isnt installed. its ssh accessible
[4:39] <Shadow__X> PKodon: certainly not with an ethernet cable as he/she does not want one
[4:39] <devslash> if i install a gui i need to figure something else out
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[4:40] <PKodon> And here I am so foolish as to want to bolt the Pi to the back of a monitor.
[4:40] * [Saint] pats his VESA mount
[4:40] <[Saint]> "Good VESA mount, good."
[4:41] <Dagger3> well, you could hook a router up to the ethernet port, and configure it as a wireless bridge
[4:41] <Dagger3> (or use an actual wireless bridge device, but I bet routers are cheaper these days)
[4:41] <Dagger3> that'd be cheaper than wireless HDMI
[4:41] <PKodon> Actually, my plan is a portable setup, with a monitor and the Pi run off of a 12v gell cell.
[4:41] <[Saint]> or....longer cables :)
[4:42] <[Saint]> that's the obvious fix here
[4:42] <PKodon> [Saint]: But, cables ae not an option, so he needs a pair of time bridges.
[4:43] <[Saint]> More fun with portals.
[4:44] <Shadow__X> can someone fix the tutorial here http://www.raspberrypi.org/camera
[4:44] <Shadow__X> the os x line reads nc -l -p 5001 | mplayer -fps 31 -cache 1024 -
[4:44] <Shadow__X> it should read nc -l 5001 | mplayer -fps 31 -cache 1024 -
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[4:45] <MachinaeWolf> I keep getting unable to resolve host when I type commands in the terminal after changing the hostname
[4:50] * Steakanbake is now known as steak
[4:51] <MachinaeWolf> How do I remove that default pi user on the pre-installed raspbian version?
[4:51] <MachinaeWolf> It doesn't want to remove
[4:52] <Shadow__X> MachinaeWolf: have you already created another username?
[4:52] <MachinaeWolf> yes
[4:52] <MachinaeWolf> I gave it all the proper groups as well :)
[4:53] <Shadow__X> did you make sure that other username is part of administrators
[4:53] <MachinaeWolf> yes the group was adm
[4:53] <Shadow__X> what error does it give you when you try to remove it
[4:53] <Shadow__X> bare in mind i have not removed the default user before
[4:54] <MachinaeWolf> user pi is currently used by process 2305 returened error code 0 exiting
[4:54] <Shadow__X> MachinaeWolf: this should help
[4:54] <Shadow__X> http://raspi.tv/2012/how-to-create-a-new-user-on-raspberry-pi
[4:54] <eggy> passwd -ld pi
[4:54] <ShiftPlusOne> You can't delete a user while it's being used. Log out completely and log in as root
[4:54] <eggy> that worked fine for me ;)
[4:55] <MachinaeWolf> ShiftPlusOne, I did sudo service lightdm stop therefore it should've kicked it off...
[4:55] * steak is now known as Steakanbake
[4:56] <MachinaeWolf> stopping lightdm kills the gui after all
[4:56] <Shadow__X> but are you still logged in as pi?
[4:57] <ShiftPlusOne> use htop or ps to check what proccess is using it
[4:58] <MachinaeWolf> k
[4:59] <MachinaeWolf> ps just shows tty1
[4:59] <MachinaeWolf> ligin bash and ps
[4:59] <MachinaeWolf> login*
[4:59] <MachinaeWolf> that's it
[4:59] <ShiftPlusOne> so you are logged in as pi then
[4:59] <MachinaeWolf> I logged in as root on tty..
[4:59] <ShiftPlusOne> how?
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[4:59] <MachinaeWolf> root then type in password
[4:59] <MachinaeWolf> like that
[5:00] <pksato> MachinaeWolf: use who to loged users.
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[5:00] <MachinaeWolf> well it's hard to read on the screen as it's a tv with an rca cable but I think it says root
[5:00] <ShiftPlusOne> ok, just making sure you didn't "sudo su" or anything like that.
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[5:00] <MachinaeWolf> nope ShiftPlusOne
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[5:01] <ShiftPlusOne> well.... >.>... good luck
[5:01] <MachinaeWolf> I posted the output to a text file and yeah I'm logged in as root only
[5:01] <MachinaeWolf> so now what...?
[5:02] <ShiftPlusOne> now listen to pksato =D
[5:02] <pksato> or. use deluser --force pi
[5:02] <MachinaeWolf> ah
[5:03] <MachinaeWolf> hmm nerp
[5:03] * MachinaeWolf rebooting pi after turning boot straight to desktop off
[5:03] <MachinaeWolf> maybe then it'll work *shrugs*
[5:03] <pksato> but, I'm not responsible for that.
[5:04] <MachinaeWolf> pksato, it didn't work yet so it's fine
[5:04] <pksato> no?
[5:05] <MachinaeWolf> k finally after I did raspi-config and turned auto boot to desktop off and rebooted now it removes that user :)
[5:05] <MachinaeWolf> there we go
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[5:13] <\\Mr_C\\> DOES anyone know the cable type and pitch and crap of the camera module?
[5:13] <\\Mr_C\\> i need something longer than this lousy 6 inches
[5:13] <\\Mr_C\\> i got some new lenses for it, but cant mount crap without a longer cable
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[5:42] <MachinaeWolf> Is qdbus needed for anything apt wants to autoremove it?
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[6:40] <ShiftPlusOne> Hm, so I am guessing this isn't what's supposed to happen. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/175702/ldo.jpg
[6:40] <hifi> can quite safely assume, no
[6:41] <ShiftPlusOne> back to the drawing board =D
[6:41] <hifi> how did you manage to do that?
[6:41] <Shadow__X> casing got to hot?
[6:41] <hifi> would think that requires either extreme force or extreme heat
[6:41] <steve_rox> you blew out a regulator thing?
[6:41] <ShiftPlusOne> either got the pinout wrong or the input voltage was way too high
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[6:41] <hifi> oh, wow
[6:41] <ShiftPlusOne> I think the latter.... should take a look at the datasheet
[6:42] <steve_rox> they usually can withstand a lot of heat
[6:43] <steve_rox> whats the board ment to do ?
[6:44] <[Saint]> Sheesh!
[6:44] <[Saint]> That 'lil buddy got HOOOOOOOOOOOOT!
[6:45] <steve_rox> appears so
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[6:46] <steve_rox> i thought i read somewhere they "shut down" on a temp level
[6:46] <steve_rox> something like that
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[6:54] <ShiftPlusOne> steve_rox, not much, just provide 3.3v and 5v lines to the thing it plugs into.
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[6:59] <ShiftPlusOne> ah looks like there was aa short on the underside
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[7:00] <steve_rox> what was it supposed to be? some power supply board?
[7:01] <ShiftPlusOne> yup
[7:01] <ShiftPlusOne> 5v and 3.3v
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[7:01] <steve_rox> doesent that kinda build waste of lot of heat energy?
[7:03] <ShiftPlusOne> making do with what I have.
[7:04] <steve_rox> oh
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[7:05] <ShiftPlusOne> well, that's my work for the day. I'm off.
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[7:16] <devslash> ive got my primary os as arch linux on my sd card. is it possible to use a usb device to have a dual boot with my pi?
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[7:26] <darknyan> I've heard of instances of a OS (I forget) that allows you to boot from a USB drive
[7:26] <darknyan> You could put that OS on the SD, and setup dual boot on the USB Flash Drive
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[7:29] <devslash> i did read about berryboot but it would be compatible with my existing distro without doing quite a bit of ork
[7:29] <devslash> work
[7:29] <[Saint]> darknyan: nope.
[7:30] <[Saint]> the pi needs to boot from the sdcard. always.
[7:30] <[Saint]> regardless of the OS thereon.
[7:33] <devslash> its ok ill swap sd card. much simpler
[7:33] <devslash> has anyone here used raspbmc ?
[7:34] <[Saint]> berryboot doesn't need the OS(es) to support it in any way.
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[7:39] <MachinaeWolf> To fix the keyboard layout lsusb to see it?
[7:39] <MachinaeWolf> The pipes key puts a tilde and some other shift keys are wrong
[7:39] <[Saint]> No, just select the right locale.
[7:39] <[Saint]> en-us
[7:40] <[Saint]> hint: raspi-config can help you do this
[7:40] <rikkib> I have just ordered my 7th RPi and first camera from E14.
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[7:40] * maxinux wonders how well his raspi and raspi camera will do running all week @ burning man in the joyous playa environment
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[7:41] * [Saint] tells maxinux to not rely on it doing so
[7:41] <maxinux> heheheh
[7:41] <[Saint]> It very well might, but, don't rely on it.
[7:41] <maxinux> gonna run a photo booth with it
[7:41] <maxinux> have a full spare setup..
[7:42] <[Saint]> Aha. :)
[7:42] <rikkib> Has anyone run the camera with motion?
[7:42] <maxinux> riddle: takes mods, but yes it works
[7:43] <rikkib> I presume auto nick got you... Mods?
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[7:44] <[Saint]> If it was automatic nick completion, it was a braindead client that did it.
[7:44] <[Saint]> autocomplete should *always* favor the last-spoken order.
[7:45] <rikkib> xchat does it bad
[7:45] <[Saint]> clients that don't can go take a long walk off a short pier. :)
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[7:52] <maxinux> rikkib: yes autonick and motion needs a usb cam by default and the built in cam is not usb ..
[7:53] <rikkib> Ahhh
[7:53] <maxinux> but its been done
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[7:54] <rikkib> What I actually want is to share the video stream.
[7:54] <MachinaeWolf> well um [Saint] I picked en-us utf8 and it didn't swap to it ?_?
[7:54] <rikkib> Motion and spi to stm32v 320x240 tft
[7:55] <MachinaeWolf> it has en-cb which isn't what I want...
[7:55] <MachinaeWolf> en-cb utf8
[7:55] <[Saint]> did you reboot?
[7:56] <MachinaeWolf> yes
[7:56] <MachinaeWolf> same thing
[7:57] <rikkib> Are you using raspi-config?
[7:58] <MachinaeWolf> yeah I did
[7:58] <\\Mr_C\\> god
[7:59] <devslash> does anyone know the path that raspbmc stored the media at?
[7:59] <\\Mr_C\\> doesnt anyone know the pitch or cable type i need to know to get a longer camera module cable?
[7:59] <rikkib> The interface is such that you have to uncheck current config and check new language.
[7:59] <MachinaeWolf> oh my ba it's using en-gb which isn't what I told it at all
[7:59] <rikkib> May need try again
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[8:00] <MachinaeWolf> uncheck = enter button right?
[8:00] <rikkib> maybe space
[8:00] <[Saint_]> errr, sorry, I fell off the internet.
[8:00] <MachinaeWolf> let me try could be that
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[8:00] <MachinaeWolf> thanks, I always get thrown off by that rikkib
[8:00] <lazors> q
[8:00] <rikkib> Thats gotta hurt
[8:01] <rikkib> np
[8:01] <[Saint_]> Its ok, I didn't fall far. :)
[8:01] <MachinaeWolf> lol
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[8:06] <devslash> has anyone here used raspbmc ?
[8:06] <MachinaeWolf> darn that still isn't the proper locale apparently, I still have no pipes key :(
[8:07] <MachinaeWolf> And how do I edit startx behavior?
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[8:10] <devslash> i could really use some help
[8:11] <[Saint]> well, instead of asking a relatively arbitrary question - try asking a useful question.
[8:11] <[Saint]> what are you havving problems *with*?
[8:11] <greppy> devslash: you should probably just ask your question, if some can help, they will, if not, they won't.
[8:11] <MachinaeWolf> darn freaking thing every us-en locale I use doesn't get the darn pipes key >_<
[8:11] <devslash> im trying to figure out where i need to upload my mp3s on raspbmc so i can stream them
[8:11] <MachinaeWolf> idk how to fix tat :/
[8:12] <[Saint]> what type of keyboard is this?
[8:12] <[Saint]> QWERTY, AZERTY, QWERTZ?
[8:12] <MachinaeWolf> some old dell ps2 querty one
[8:13] <[Saint]> Hum.
[8:13] <MachinaeWolf> it works it just doesn't get all my special keys when you do shift on backslash I get a ~ and when I do shift on ' I get a 0 or something
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[8:13] <[Saint]> Well...we know its not en-uk, as that's the default and it didn't like that.
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[8:13] <[Saint]> And, apparently it hates en-us too.
[8:13] <[Saint]> ...odd.
[8:14] <[Saint]> Very odd.
[8:14] <MachinaeWolf> yeah
[8:14] * MachinaeWolf flips his keyboard
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[8:15] <[Saint]> (╯°□°)╯︵ ━
[8:15] <MachinaeWolf> ^ yeah that
[8:17] <greppy> devslash: what are you going to use to stream them?
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[8:18] <greppy> devslash: nm, saw you mentioned raspbmc, ignore my question :)
[8:18] <devslash> ok
[8:19] <devslash> i figured out what i have to do. wasnt intuitive
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[8:20] <devslash> greppy have you used raspbmc?
[8:20] <MachinaeWolf> What's a good light editor for programming besides geany?
[8:20] <greppy> devslash: nope, I don't use my pi's for that
[8:20] <greppy> well, I do have one setup to stream music, but I am using subsonic for that.
[8:20] <devslash> oh
[8:21] <devslash> im currently using my own web application for that but wanted to try out xbmc
[8:21] <devslash> i like my solution because it doesnt use flash which i hate. a lot.
[8:21] <greppy> heh
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[8:26] <MachinaeWolf> So my crt monitor with the hdmi to vga cable doesn't want to work on raspbian it worked on fedora for the pi, someone told me there's a way to force it to use the monitor idk how though
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[8:29] <Gorroth> is there a vnc server for raspbian? one that allows me to control the x server?
[8:30] <Gorroth> oh, perhaps krfb
[8:30] <Gorroth> was thinking the package might be called vncserver
[8:31] <Gorroth> also found x11vnc
[8:31] <Gorroth> one of those will work
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[8:37] <FredNick> /quit
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[8:39] <devslash> has anyone here used raspbmc ?
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[8:56] <\\Mr_C\\> Delta - C64 - Rob Hubbard (HD).mp4
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[8:58] <devslash> has anyone here used raspbmc ?
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[9:05] <kaste> Hey can someone tell me what the smaller of the two chips on the pi is?
[9:05] <kaste> I understand that cpu, gpu and mem all form that bigger one, but what is the small one?
[9:06] <Helldesk> model B?
[9:07] <Helldesk> you are probably thinking of the usb hub that also contains the ethernet chip
[9:07] <MachinaeWolf> alright where in the freaking hell did my url bar go on midori???
[9:07] <MachinaeWolf> It was there on lxde and it's not on openbox that makes no sense...
[9:08] <MachinaeWolf> It's not reliant on wm's
[9:08] <kaste> ah thank you Helldesk
[9:09] <kaste> it's both usb hubs though, right?
[9:10] <Helldesk> http://elinux.org/File:Raspi-Model-AB-Mono-2-699x1024.png
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[9:11] <Helldesk> as I understand it, the SoC has just one usb channel, so the model A has one; on a model B the board has the lan controller on that lane and it also breaks out two usb ports in addition to the ethernet connection
[9:12] <hifi> that would be what I also think I know
[9:12] <Helldesk> http://elinux.org/RPi_Hardware
[9:14] <hifi> is the broadcom chip even capable to full usb 2 speed?
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[9:16] <hifi> up to 480 Mbit/s, the ARM CPU will probably bottleneck fast
[9:16] <kaste> Well i've read before that the ethernet controller is located behind the second hub so it would have to be the other way round, wouldn't it?
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[9:19] <mike_t> kaste, LAN9512 is usb hub and lan controller http://www.smsc.com/media/Downloads_Public/Data_Briefs/9512db.pdf
[9:19] <caimel> rikkib: i did
[9:20] <rikkib> You did?
[9:22] <caimel> rikkib: i used the camera with motion
[9:22] <rikkib> Great...
[9:22] <\\Mr_C\\> 10 - Martin Galway - Rambo (green beret medley).mp3
[9:23] <caimel> rikkib: i used the new driver here: http://www.linux-projects.org , but the frame rate is slow as the driver for now only supports jpeg still captures
[9:24] <rikkib> I want to stream it and also send the same to the stm32v screen
[9:24] <rikkib> Thanks for the link
[9:24] <devslash> need help. networking was working. rebooted. now i get an error that it failed to bring up eth0 and networking doesnt work any more
[9:25] <rikkib> you lost your dhcp server?
[9:25] <devslash> no
[9:25] <devslash> all other devices on my network work fine
[9:25] <rikkib> hmmm
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[9:26] <devslash> was working great
[9:27] <devslash> any suggestions
[9:27] <devslash> otherwise i have to buy another one
[9:28] <kaste> devslash: that won't solve your problem
[9:28] <hifi> backup your SD card, reflash, see if it helps
[9:28] <devslash> i dont have a backup
[9:28] <hifi> if it does, your current SD image is borked
[9:28] <devslash> reflashing isnt the problem
[9:28] <devslash> its not
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[9:28] <hifi> so you've tried with a fresh image?
[9:29] <devslash> yea
[9:29] <hifi> does USB work overall?
[9:29] <devslash> yea
[9:29] <devslash> but im not using it
[9:29] <devslash> im using a wired ethernet conncetion
[9:29] <devslash> connection
[9:30] <hifi> as said earlier the ethernet chip also doubles as the USB hub so if it was badly damaged I would guess USB would also fail to work
[9:31] <devslash> well im not using usb at all
[9:31] <devslash> i think the ethernet must have gone bad
[9:31] <devslash> are these things warrantied ?
[9:31] <hifi> I didn't say you do, but if USB works the ethernet chip ain't completely dead
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[9:31] <devslash> i have no way of testing unless i get ethernet working
[9:31] <rikkib> Did the lights flash when it powers up
[9:32] <devslash> which light
[9:32] <rikkib> then turn off and stay off
[9:33] <devslash> theres only 1 led thats on and it stays on
[9:33] <MachinaeWolf> ok seriously that locale thing is a big problem I can't use pipes key or the # sign so I can't irc on the pi, wtf?
[9:34] <hifi> MachinaeWolf: are you using X or the console?
[9:34] <MachinaeWolf> openbox running
[9:34] <MachinaeWolf> but the issue is on both sides...
[9:34] <MachinaeWolf> systemwide
[9:35] <devslash> i dunno if this makes a difference. when it was working last, i powered
[9:35] <devslash> it down removed the sd card and put in a raspbmc sd card
[9:35] <Shadow__X> what is the best way to stream 1080p/720p from the raspberry pi camera to zoneminder? The few things I have found tend to produce lower frame rates
[9:36] <devslash> which worked fine. after i shut down raspbmc and rebooted with my main sd card which has arch linux, networking doesnt work any more
[9:36] <devslash> my ethernet port is definitely borked
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[9:46] <devslash> any help ?
[9:46] <devslash> im totally stuck
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[9:47] <linuxstb> Shadow__X: Best results I have read about are using raspivid piped to gstreamer. Do you know what formats zoneminder accepts?
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[11:53] <ShorTie> some1 having an identity crisus
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[11:54] <gordonDrogon> or a connection issue... or both :)
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[12:00] <ShorTie> those little wifi adapter like http://www.ebay.com/itm/Realtek-RTL8188cus-USB-150M-150Mbps-802-11b-g-n-n-Wireless-WiFi-adapter-dongle-/230973235744?pt=US_USB_Wi_Fi_Adapters_Dongles&hash=item35c713e220
[12:00] <ShorTie> think they would work ok on a 10 or 12' usb cable ??
[12:01] <mgottschlag> I know my grandparents have a setup like this, and it works reliably... I am pretty sure that you would violate the specs :)
[12:03] <ShorTie> what i was thinking of doing is plug it into the end of the usb cable
[12:04] <ShorTie> put a touch of silicon around the metal part and seal it up in a piece of shrink tube
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[12:05] <ShorTie> then i could mount it on the outside of the build on like a 4' dowel as a mast
[12:08] <[Saint]> yeah, sure, that'll work on an extension fine.
[12:12] <ShorTie> now to find a gromet big enough to get the end thru but still seal up on the wire, lol.
[12:14] <[Saint]> Going by the spec, you're good up to 5m
[12:14] <[Saint]> so, 10~12" should be fine :)
[12:15] <[Saint]> ...assuming the cable is spec.
[12:15] <[Saint]> which is something like 4ns/m delay
[12:15] <[Saint]> ah.
[12:15] <[Saint]> 5.2, apparently.
[12:16] <[Saint]> So, yeah, you're good. You'd likely be good at that distance using twisty ties instead of a spec cable :)
[12:16] <ShorTie> not really worried about speed, just would like to get to it from the house
[12:17] <[Saint]> Oh, whoops, you said ', not "
[12:17] <[Saint]> still within range.
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[12:19] <ShorTie> Sweet
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[12:22] <ShorTie> now to figure out how far away from the rPi's i can put the current sensors
[12:22] <ShorTie> 60' would be nice
[12:23] <ShorTie> the sensors run off of 5v dc
[12:24] <ShorTie> gonna use cat5 to hook them up, using a twisted pair for each line
[12:25] <ShorTie> the 5v should be able to make it fine
[12:25] <ShorTie> just curious about the sensor output
[12:27] <ShorTie> it returns some voltage level between like 2.5-5v depending on current draw
[12:28] <mgottschlag> hm, if you twist the reference voltage and output voltage lines (at least my sensors have those), relative measurement should work?
[12:28] <ShorTie> since it is ac, the return is ac
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[12:30] <ShorTie> i have to run it thru a diode for the adc, using a cap also to help stabilize the voltage
[12:31] <mgottschlag> s/relative/differential/
[12:31] <[Saint]> I don't have any numbers for max length of cat for non-data.
[12:31] <ShorTie> just wondering if it would be better for the diode to be at the sensor, so the return is dc'ish
[12:32] <ShorTie> or more closer to the adc
[12:32] <mgottschlag> (reason why I thought about differential measurement was that helps with line noise
[12:32] <mgottschlag> )
[12:32] <ShorTie> or if it would even matter
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[12:34] <ShorTie> i gues it comes down to testing, testing and more testing, lol.
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[12:47] <ShorTie> but then again i'm only really interested if the motor is running, not how much current is being drawn
[12:48] <ShorTie> so i could just use a transister or something at the sensor so the return is 5v also
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[12:51] <ShorTie> if i change it to dc at the sensor, then i would eleminate any posibility of ac cross talk
[12:51] <mgottschlag> yeah
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[12:58] <gordonDrogon> http://youtu.be/E5mZJybKseo :-)
[12:58] <Basil1x> Before I purchase one of these... Is there a particular distro that works well with it, or ones I should avoid?
[13:00] <[Saint]> raspbian is "the official distro"
[13:00] <gordonDrogon> Raspbian is the most popular right now as far as I can tell.
[13:01] <ShorTie> nifty gordonDrogon
[13:01] <Basil1x> Hmmm... So my Sabayon mightn't be the best choice?
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[13:02] <Mothership> Hi
[13:02] <Basil1x> 'Lo, Mothership.
[13:03] <ShorTie> if your not into cross compiling Basil1x, you might want to stick to a standard distro
[13:04] * Basil1x gets quite cross whilst compiling. ;)
[13:04] <Mothership> i want to make an gui app on pc which configures user friendly way specifig config files on Pi, atm for me the easiest way would be to connect pi via serial port and use some ssh library to send commands and get output to represent in the app.. have anyone of u had experience doing something like this?
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[13:06] <Mothership> specific*
[13:07] <linuxstb> Why the serial port, and not over the network?
[13:07] <[Saint]> why would you need ssh if you're connected over serial?
[13:07] <[Saint]> heh, snap, kinda.
[13:07] <[Saint]> reverse snap.
[13:07] <Mothership> uhhh
[13:07] <Mothership> i thought
[13:08] <hifi> also you could also make the app to work on the SD card directly when plugged in
[13:09] <Mothership> hmmm
[13:09] <Mothership> I think its easier via Serial than Network
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[13:10] <clever> if you wrote the app in c++ with QT, you could easily compile it against every OS
[13:10] <hifi> not really, people don't have any serial connector for the pi
[13:10] <clever> then drop the pre-compiled binary into /boot/ along side config.txt
[13:10] <clever> just make a config.exe for ex
[13:11] <linuxstb> Mothership: Another option would be to plug the SD card into your PC, and edit the contents directly.
[13:11] <ShiftPlusOne> Mothership, you can use scp to copy the files over.
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[13:12] <Mothership> i have to check that out
[13:13] <Mothership> also i think its easier to determine on which serial port Pi is connected, that on which I.p. thats why the serial way
[13:13] <Mothership> I want it to be as much automatic as possible
[13:14] <ShiftPlusOne> Mothership, is this just for you or something you think will make life easier for others?
[13:14] <ShiftPlusOne> because getting serial going is something 95% of people won't bother with.
[13:14] <Mothership> its for others
[13:15] <Mothership> plan is to include usb serial adapter with pi
[13:15] <Mothership> whole package
[13:15] <ShiftPlusOne> hm =/
[13:15] <Mothership> but i want to see the alternatives
[13:15] <Mothership> i still planning
[13:15] <ShiftPlusOne> Can't say I approve, but good luck with it.
[13:16] <clever> Mothership: just put a config.exe on the sd card, pop the card into a pc, run it
[13:16] <Mothership> SCP looks interesting
[13:16] <Mothership> clever, yeah that is also good option
[13:16] <clever> it doesnt care how much you break the pi
[13:16] <clever> as long as the fat32 isnt formated, you can recover it
[13:16] <Mothership> can that config.exe see the pi system files?
[13:16] <Mothership> especially on windows?
[13:17] <clever> you would have to somehow include ext3/xfs support into it, wouldnt be easy
[13:17] <hifi> the default filesystem is ext4
[13:17] <ShiftPlusOne> what do you mean by system files?
[13:17] <clever> or just cheat, and put the key files on the fat32 os, and modify linux to look on there
[13:17] <ShiftPlusOne> you can see the boot files (the kernel, firmware and config files)
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[13:18] <Mothership> for example etc/init/
[13:18] <Mothership> if i want to add new daemon
[13:18] <Mothership> or edit the existing
[13:18] <clever> Mothership: you could put files at /boot/new-init/ and then a script that runs on bootup would copy things over
[13:18] <clever> cheating! :D
[13:18] <Mothership> yeah that sounds the way to go man
[13:18] <hifi> though for example my installer can be pre-configured to do all kinds of tricks when the card is booted on a pi but it would take long to install a whole desktop pi
[13:19] <hifi> I'm using the flexibility to do some pre-configuration like timezone and locale
[13:19] <Mothership> I have to try that out
[13:21] <clever> doing another trial run of my rpi on a lipo, 4.06 volts and dropping
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[13:24] <cart_man> Hi guys
[13:24] <cart_man> Whats the root password for Raspbian weezy ?
[13:25] <ShorTie> to bad you couldn't power the rPi straight from the lipo without using a voltage pump
[13:25] <hifi> cart_man: it doesn't have one, you need to sudo
[13:25] <cart_man> sudo whaT?
[13:25] <ShiftPlusOne> set one with passwd
[13:25] <cart_man> sudo root
[13:25] <cart_man> how do I do that?
[13:26] <clever> cart_man: sudo -i
[13:27] <ShiftPlusOne> The jerk answer would be 'man sudo' and 'man passwd'. A lazy answer would be 'sudo passwd'
[13:27] <ShorTie> su passwd root, i believe
[13:27] <[Saint]> why do you need a root passowrd?
[13:27] <[Saint]> whqts wrong with sudo su?
[13:27] <ShiftPlusOne> Why wouldn't you set a root password? D=
[13:28] <cart_man> well I cant install anything without being admin ?
[13:28] <clever> [Saint]: extra forks, sudo -i is much simpler
[13:28] <clever> cart_man: sudo apt-get install ...
[13:28] <clever> no root pw needed
[13:28] <cart_man> Ahh shit...ok thanks
[13:28] <cart_man> ok brb
[13:28] <cart_man> BTW does someone know if the weezy comes with an IRC app?
[13:28] <ShiftPlusOne> cart_man, ah, in that case you might actually want to type 'man sudo' to get familiar with it. And mind the language.
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[13:30] <ShiftPlusOne> I don't think it does, but you can easily install an IRC program of your choice.
[13:30] <cart_man> ohh sorry
[13:30] <cart_man> ok on it
[13:30] <cart_man> thanks
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[14:26] <Mothership> i backed up wheezy from one sd card, its size is 7.8gb, i wanted to write it to another 8gb card, but its actual size 7.41 so it doesn't fit... is there a fix?
[14:26] <SpeedEvil> how did you back it up?
[14:26] <Mothership> to .img file
[14:27] <Mothership> using win32disk manager
[14:27] <clever> Mothership: did you backup the entire disk, or just the linux partition?
[14:27] <SpeedEvil> do you have the original card?
[14:27] <Mothership> yea
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[14:28] <Mothership> clever, entire disk
[14:28] <clever> Mothership: double check that things arent lying to you, get the exact byte size of the file
[14:28] <dougiel> morning folks
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[14:28] <Mothership> mornin
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[14:30] <Mothership> can't i just copy paste the files from one sd to another?
[14:30] <Mothership> without making the img file?
[14:30] <clever> Mothership: windows cant read the ext4 file system, so you cant copy the files on that
[14:31] <Mothership> hmm can i do it on linux tho?
[14:31] <clever> yeah, you could
[14:31] <Mothership> can i do it trough virtual machine?
[14:31] <clever> that would also work
[14:32] <clever> boot up any version of linux in a vm, and copy the files out
[14:32] <Mothership> ye on windows the original sd card shows its size - 55.9mb
[14:32] <clever> thats the 1st partion, with just fat32 and the boot files
[14:32] <clever> the 2nd partition is ext4
[14:32] <Mothership> so I just do it trough VM
[14:33] <clever> i'm down to 3.75 volts on my rpi battery :)
[14:34] <clever> about 2-ish hours left
[14:34] <Mothership> clever what kind of batter is it
[14:34] <Mothership> battery
[14:34] <clever> 2000mAh lipo
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[14:34] <Mothership> because for my project i will also need a battery and some insights on usage
[14:35] <clever> Mothership: https://www.sparkfun.com/wish_lists/66243
[14:35] <clever> a full list of parts (2 battery options included, remove one before checkout) and some info on the battery life
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[14:37] <Mothership> also how does ethernet port draing the battery without cable being plugged in it?
[14:37] <Mothership> people say it drains o lot even without being used
[14:37] <pronto> magic
[14:37] <ShiftPlusOne> The ethernet chip is still on
[14:37] <Mothership> exacly
[14:37] <pronto> no, magic.
[14:37] <Mothership> yes but what does it do
[14:37] <clever> the ethernet chip also runs your usb hub
[14:37] <ShiftPlusOne> nothing
[14:38] <Mothership> oh
[14:38] <clever> cant turn it off without loosing both usb ports
[14:38] <pronto> it probes to see if something is plugged in
[14:38] <pronto> (totally just made that up)
[14:38] <pronto> but sounded plausable enough
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[14:38] <Mothership> most likely that..
[14:38] <ShiftPlusOne> the ethernet chip alone uses about 40% of the total power (aside from other usb devices)
[14:38] <clever> Mothership: do you plan to use the usb?
[14:39] <Mothership> yeah
[14:39] <Mothership> :(
[14:39] <clever> only option then would be major surgery, downgrade it to a model A and get your own hub
[14:39] <clever> or just leave it
[14:39] <Mothership> well
[14:39] <Mothership> also i need a battery big enough to handle 24/7 for 7days
[14:40] <Mothership> so 40% is too much
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[14:40] <clever> my brief tests say that a 6Ah battery would last 12 hours
[14:40] <ShiftPlusOne> or remove the ethernet chip physically
[14:40] <clever> so you would need maybe 84 amp hours?, or massively reduce the usage
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[14:41] <Mothership> i found a tutorial how to remove the ethernet and make one usb work
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[14:41] <clever> yeah, that just downgrades you to a model A
[14:41] <clever> what about https://www.sparkfun.com/products/9759
[14:41] <clever> 10 watt solar panel
[14:41] <Mothership> http://freneticrapport.blogspot.com.au/2013/01/first-raspberry-pi-model-512mb-off-re_24.html
[14:41] <Mothership> does it look legit?
[14:42] <ShiftPlusOne> a butane torch? O_o
[14:42] <ShiftPlusOne> a bit odd, but yeah.
[14:43] <Mothership> k
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[14:43] <ShiftPlusOne> Keep in mind it's easy to mess things up. It takes a lot of heat to melt the solder on the pi, so chances are you'll heat up a large portion of the board, so things may slide around if you're not careful.
[14:44] <clever> Mothership: https://www.sparkfun.com/products/11837
[14:44] <clever> Mothership: might be simpler to just get a model A
[14:44] <clever> save your model b for testing at home, put the A in the field
[14:44] <ShiftPlusOne> where's the fun in that
[14:44] <Mothership> yeah most likely you're right
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[14:50] <clever> http://ext.earthtools.ca/export/graph_116.html
[14:50] <clever> Mothership: this graph shows how fast the battery voltage can drop, when using a modem B pi
[14:50] <Mothership> thanks
[14:50] <clever> i believe my pi will shut off at 2.6 volts
[14:50] <clever> and thats with a 2000mAh battery
[14:50] <clever> bigger batterys would drop slower
[14:51] <clever> the graph updates every 10 minutes
[14:51] <clever> and its got another 2-ish hours left on it
[14:52] <Mothership> clever, what is the load
[14:53] <clever> just the pi idling, nothing is running in it
[14:53] <clever> http://ext.earthtools.ca/export/graph_99.html this graph shows cpu usage
[14:53] <clever> which is under 2%
[14:53] <Mothership> thanks
[14:54] <clever> its running snmpd to make the graphs, and running 2 python scripts every minute to check the battery levels
[14:54] <clever> might extend it slightly if i wasnt graphing it to death
[14:55] <Mothership> so it takes 1hr to drain right?
[14:55] <clever> 4 hours
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[14:59] <ShorTie> you can always tar up the sdcard files to move from 1 sdcard to another, l00ks towards a Gentoo stage 4 install for further info maybe
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[15:05] <Mothership> clever, how long u think this kind of battery could keep pi up http://www.trojanbattery.com/products/24tmx12v.aspx ?
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[15:06] <clever> Mothership: thats 12 volts not 3.7volts, so it would likely need much less amp-hours
[15:06] <clever> *does math*
[15:07] <clever> the voltage is about 3.2 times as much
[15:07] <Mothership> mhm
[15:07] <clever> so i'm guessing it would need maybe 26 amp-hours
[15:07] <clever> and they failed to list the amp-hour rating for it
[15:08] <clever> ah there it is, 70 amp-hours
[15:08] <clever> so it should last several weeks
[15:08] <clever> just get a car charging adapter for a cellphone, that will hook directly to the micro-usb and battery
[15:08] <Mothership> yuh
[15:08] <SpeedEvil> You also need to monitor the discharge.
[15:09] <SpeedEvil> Most USB adaptors will continue to discharge the battery below 10.6V - which will harm it.
[15:09] <Mothership> oh
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[15:10] <clever> Mothership: just a random hit, could be used for this, https://www.sparkfun.com/products/8636
[15:10] <clever> Mothership: that could connect to the rpi over spi, then you just need a voltage dividor to cut the 12v -> 3.3v
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[15:13] <clever> that alone would only monitor things, it would not be able to shut it off and save the battery
[15:14] <clever> but you could do something simple for shutoff, run the main power thru the normaly open of a relay
[15:14] <clever> and then power the coil (thru a transistor) off a GPIO
[15:14] <clever> so the pi can hold the power on
[15:14] <clever> if the pi drops the gpio low at any time, the relay opens, and the whole system looses power
[15:15] <IT_Sean> thats pretty clever, clever.
[15:15] <Mothership> :D
[15:15] <clever> to turn it back on, have an override button to bypass the pi
[15:15] <clever> hold it until its booted up enough to hold itself on
[15:15] <Mothership> ok clever, i think the solar system is a must in this case
[15:15] <clever> solar would let you get away with a much smaller battery
[15:15] <Mothership> i need to be able do 24/7
[15:16] <clever> would only need to last 48 hours tops, if your expecting decent weather
[15:16] <Mothership> yeah
[15:17] <clever> bbl
[15:18] <SpeedEvil> Solar varies. To keep a Pi up 24*7 here in scotland, I need about a 250W solar panel and a 100Ah 12V battery.
[15:19] <SpeedEvil> The problem is that January - for example - has weeks of dull days in a row with little, if any actual sun, and short days at that.
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[15:20] <Mothership> SpeedEvil, its for summer only
[15:20] <clever> yeah, all depends on what months you need it on, and the local sun
[15:20] <clever> bbl
[15:21] <SpeedEvil> In some places, a 10W panel will work just fine.
[15:21] <Mothership> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/9759 if i bought this one, what else do i need to get in order to connect it with pi?
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[15:23] <SpeedEvil> You'd need a suitable battery in addition.
[15:23] <IT_Sean> ^ that
[15:23] <Mothership> yes but besides that
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[15:23] <IT_Sean> some sort of power regulation
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[15:23] <IT_Sean> a low power cut off for the battery, as well
[15:23] <IT_Sean> some bits of wire
[15:23] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NP7-6-Yuasa-6V-7Ah-Lead-Acid-Rechargeable-Battery-/120763733707?pt=UK_ConsumerElectronics_Batteries_SM&hash=item1c1e1456cb - for example.
[15:24] <SpeedEvil> And then a shunt regulator to keep it from overcharging.
[15:24] <IT_Sean> That too.
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[15:32] <donta> A while back I saw a wireless tempature sensor which works with the pi, do you guys have the link by any chance?
[15:33] <donta> I'd like to through once inside, one outside, and compare how it efects the temp of my pi
[15:33] <donta> *throw one
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[15:46] <pronto> http://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2013/07/19/secret-recipe-for-raspberry-pi-server-cluster-unleashed/
[15:49] <arcanescu> donta: vcgencmd measure_temp_
[15:49] <arcanescu> ?
[15:49] <donta> arcanescu: that's only for the chip temp, I mean like external sensors which mesure ambiant temp
[15:50] <donta> *ambient
[15:50] <arcanescu> oh you mean external temp? room temp etc?
[15:50] <donta> yes
[15:50] <arcanescu> not aware of that sensor sorry *myfavsearchengine*.com
[15:50] <clever> i would just use a ds18b20, the pi already has drivers for it
[15:50] <donta> I want to see how much it efects the internal (vcgencmd measure_temp_) temp of the pi
[15:50] <clever> all you need is a pullup resistor
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[15:52] <donta> clever: oh neat! that'd work perfect for room temp... but I also want a wireless sensor outdoors
[15:52] <clever> i havent verified with the pi, but the protocol the sensor uses can run a fair distance
[15:53] <clever> donta: http://ext.earthtools.ca/export/temps_59.html
[15:53] <donta> I guess a could run a second pi outside
[15:53] <clever> ive got all of these sensors running off an AVR
[15:53] <clever> with just a single pin
[15:53] <clever> all the temp sensors are on a single branching cable, running back to a single avr pin
[15:54] <donta> clever: that's like exactly what I want to do!
[15:55] <clever> http://ext.earthtools.ca/export/graph_102.html this is cpu temp
[15:55] <clever> http://ext.earthtools.ca/export/graph_54.html and this is the room temp
[15:56] <clever> the latest rise in cpu temp is from putting the pi in a decent case
[15:56] <donta> clever: so you just connected one of these? https://www.sparkfun.com/products/245
[15:56] <clever> donta: yep, and a pullup resistor on the data line
[15:56] <donta> and then what's the command to get the temp?
[15:57] <donta> right now I'm just logging to CSV via batch
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[15:57] <cart_man> What does it mean if the raspberryPis Red LED and Green LED just stays on?
[15:58] <cart_man> It worked fine until I resized my SD card from 1.8G to Full 8Gig
[15:58] <clever> donta: something in /sys, let me see if i can find it
[15:58] <clever> donta: within /sys/devices/w1_bus_master1/
[15:59] <clever> donta: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=6649&hilit=ds18b20
[16:00] <donta> ty
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[16:02] <tig|> 'nings all
[16:02] <cart_man> clever: What does it mean if the raspberryPis Red LED and Green LED just stays on ? It doesnt boot anymore. Started after I re sized the 1.8G standard to the full 8gig?
[16:03] <clever> cart_man: dont know
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[16:42] <Vibe> which one is more stable and working better, xbian or xbmc on raspbian?
[16:43] * IT_Sean recommends OpenELEC if you want an xbmc rig
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[16:44] <Vibe> hmm
[16:44] <Vibe> it's based also on debian?
[16:45] <eephyne> openelec is build on scratch I think
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[16:49] <Vibe> yes it seems
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[16:57] <clever> IT_Sean: and my lipo is dead!
[16:57] <clever> it got down to about 3.3 volts, then it dropped off VERY fast
[16:57] <IT_Sean> you killed it.
[16:57] <clever> the last sample was at 2.9, now the boost regulator cut out
[16:57] <[Saint]> dis you try liposuction?
[16:57] <jerng> hi all! are there any HowTo's out there on how to get the camera module working in debian, i.e. without raspi-config?
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[16:57] <clever> [Saint]: lol
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[16:58] <gordonDrogon> clever, I'd be wary of letting it go below 3v if possible...
[16:58] <clever> gordonDrogon: i think the boost regulator is set for 2.6v min, but it appears to have cut out early
[16:59] <gordonDrogon> 2.6 is really low for a LiPo.
[16:59] <clever> id say 3.2 would be the min, at that point, the voltage just drops like a rock
[16:59] <clever> no point in going lower
[16:59] <IT_Sean> i am pretty sure you have killed that lipo
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[16:59] <clever> let me upload the graphs
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[17:00] <gordonDrogon> yea, let it cool down then try charging it - slowly...
[17:00] <clever> gordonDrogon: its not noticably warm
[17:00] <clever> and the charger is already hooked up now
[17:01] <clever> graphs are at http://gallery.earthtools.ca/index.py/lipo
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[17:02] <clever> i can see 3 seperate phases, 4.1->3.75 volts, 3.75->3.38, and then 3.38->2.9 roughly
[17:02] <vasundhar> Hi I am unable to power on wifi adapter reliably
[17:02] <clever> it stayed near 3.7 for a while without much change
[17:02] <vasundhar> it some times works. which is pretty chaotic
[17:02] <vasundhar> I am using EDUP, which is getting detected when I do lsusb
[17:02] <clever> gordonDrogon: does that seem normal?
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[17:04] <tig|> vasundhar: is the pi getting enough power?
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[17:06] <vasundhar> tig|: I am using Standard LG TRavel Adapter Output 5.1v 0.7 A
[17:07] <vasundhar> wlan0 getting timed out
[17:07] <IT_Sean> That wifi adapter may require more power than the Pi is capable of delivering. You may need to use a powered ub for it
[17:08] <IT_Sean> *hub
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[17:09] <clever> IT_Sean: i double checked the datasheets, and yeah, the cutout voltage for the boost reg is 2.6 volts
[17:09] <clever> but it could be changed if i change the voltage dividor
[17:09] <IT_Sean> 2.6 is lower than i would pull that battery.
[17:10] <clever> its using a 2meg and 220k resistor to divide the battery down, and the reg needs >0.25v on that pin to run
[17:10] <clever> so once the battery goes under 2.6v, the UVLO pin is under 0.25v
[17:11] <clever> if i was to replace the low side resistor with a 700k, i would get 3.06v as the min
[17:12] <clever> or i can replace the high side resistor with 2.5meg
[17:12] <vasundhar> I am using powered hub
[17:12] <vasundhar> I tried all permutations , if that would have been the case it should never work, it is not the case, it works some times
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[17:15] <clever> IT_Sean: hmmm, and i have some convient pads in parallel with the high side (meant to short it out and bypass it)
[17:15] <clever> i could connect a 3meg resistor there, and bump the limit up to 3v!
[17:15] <IT_Sean> ooh
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[17:17] <clever> the disable jumper appears to not actualy disable it, just drop the limit to 0.25v
[17:17] * clever does more math!
[17:18] <clever> IT_Sean: would a 0.0013mA drain kill a lipo?
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[17:19] * IT_Sean nos no idea
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[17:20] <clever> gordonDrogon: do you?
[17:20] <vasundhar> Is Wifi a kill more than keyboard and mouse ?
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[17:23] <gordonDrogon> me - no idea. I've alwas read that deep discharging LiPo's kills them.
[17:23] <gordonDrogon> the few battery things I've done have had limits of 3.3v - then it's deep sleep time.
[17:23] <gordonDrogon> I do abuse lead acid batteries, but LiPo's are a different game.
[17:24] <clever> gordonDrogon: http://gallery.earthtools.ca/index.py/lipo/vcell_zoom.png
[17:24] <clever> as i can see here, at 3.3v, the voltage just drops like a rock
[17:26] <gordonDrogon> yup.
[17:27] <gordonDrogon> so 3.3 is the time to go to sleep.
[17:27] <clever> *checks math*
[17:28] <clever> 2.7meg on the high side would give 3.31 as the low voltage
[17:28] <clever> and since i'm in parallel with a 2meg
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[17:28] <clever> 3.4meg in parallel with the existing 2meg
[17:30] <gordonDrogon> check some of the RC forums, etc. they usually have the best knowledge about use (and abuse) of rechargables.
[17:30] <clever> got a link to one?
[17:33] <gordonDrogon> I've just googling some now - seems lots of questions on forums.
[17:33] <gordonDrogon> http://pages.suddenlink.net/sunraintime/LiPo%20Battery.pdf
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[17:33] <gordonDrogon> one link I've found.
[17:33] <clever> if the datasheets are to be trusted, the low voltage cutoff on the batery itself is 2.9 volts
[17:33] <clever> the protection curcuits on the battery wont let it reach 2.6 ever
[17:33] <clever> which explains why my graph on cacti just went dead at 2.9
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[17:35] <clever> http://dlnmh9ip6v2uc.cloudfront.net/datasheets/Prototyping/BatteryProtection.pdf page 4
[17:35] <clever> over discharge protection voltage, 2.9v
[17:40] <gordonDrogon> not sure its wise to go right to the limits though.
[17:41] <jerng> hi all! are there any HowTo's out there on how to get the camera module working in debian, i.e. without raspi-config?
[17:41] <clever> let me read the datasheet for the cell...
[17:41] <clever> gordonDrogon: hmmm, it says 2.75v on the cell datasheet
[17:41] <gordonDrogon> below 3.3v the current is going to increase in proportion to the voltage dropping - that'll cause it to heat up - even if slightly which isn't going to help...
[17:41] <clever> so the protection board on the battery cuts out 0.2v early
[17:42] <gordonDrogon> so that's probably not a bad thing.
[17:42] <gordonDrogon> jerng, why can't you just use raspi-config?
[17:42] <clever> gordonDrogon: past 3.3v, it only lasted ~5minutes
[17:42] <clever> so thats not going to heat things up too much
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[17:43] <gordonDrogon> even so - that's the end. Personally I'd call 3.3v the cut-off point and be happy that I'm not over stretching the cell.
[17:43] <clever> yeah
[17:43] <gordonDrogon> gives you time to do a nice shutdown, if possible.
[17:43] <clever> if i can get a 3.4meg resistor, i would add that in
[17:44] <clever> but what i can see in the datasheets, says it should be ok the way it is
[17:46] <gordonDrogon> who knows. err on the side of caution ...
[17:46] <clever> 'The over-discharge threshold voltage should not be lower than 2.75V.'
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[17:47] <clever> so the protection on the boost setup is kinda low, but the main protection board on the pack itself is relatively high
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[17:52] <clever> while the battery is recharging, i'll play with the MPR121
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[17:54] <clever> oh
[17:54] <clever> i'm charging with the same usb cable i ran the pi on
[17:54] * clever digs for more cables
[17:55] <gordonDrogon> :)
[17:55] <jlf> hi all, my pi lost power last night and when it woke up again the fs on the sd card was irrevocably fucked. this has happened several times now. am i doing something wrong?
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[17:56] * jlf was kicked from #raspberrypi by IT_Sean
[17:56] <gordonDrogon> IT_Sean, beat me to it...
[17:56] <IT_Sean> :)
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[17:57] <jlf> sorry about that, i'll try to remember in the future
[17:57] <jlf> hi all, my pi lost power last night and when it woke up again the fs on the sd card was irrevocably corrupted. this has happened several times now. am i doing something wrong?
[17:57] <hifi> I actually read the channel rules when I joined
[17:58] <clever> hifi: i just assume all channels have rules like that :P
[17:58] <IT_Sean> jlf: sudden loss of power can cause SD card corruption
[17:58] <hifi> clever: not really, IRC is a harsh place
[17:58] <IT_Sean> always be sure you safely shut down before removing power.
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[17:58] <clever> IT_Sean: isnt that the entire point of the journal, or is it a problem with the SD card internals?
[17:59] <johnc-> shutdown -hP now
[17:59] <johnc-> when it's just a red light, you're good to go
[17:59] <IT_Sean> If you remove power while the SD card is being written, you will cause corruption. It's just how it is.
[17:59] <johnc-> the pi in my office is on the UPS powered extension heh
[17:59] <clever> IT_Sean: i thought that the entire point of the journal, is to detect that corruption, and fix it automatically
[17:59] <jlf> IT_Sean: yeah, unfortunately my area is prone to power failures
[18:00] <hifi> this must really be a record, I've sent 3 emails, posted on 2 threads and started a topic without any feedback or replies to email
[18:00] <hifi> oh, and a forum PM
[18:01] <jlf> are there any images available to mount a minimal boot partition read-only on the sd card and mount all the rest r/w via nfs?
[18:02] <clever> jlf: if you enable the right kernel options (they may already be on?), you dont need the linux partition at all
[18:02] <clever> just the fat32 with the kernel and cmdline.txt
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[18:04] <jlf> clever: ah, ok, that sounds promising; i'll look into it. thanks!
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[18:05] <clever> jlf: you could simply have to copy the linux partition to your main system, just copy all the files over to a normal dir on a normal disk
[18:06] <clever> while maintaining the uid's
[18:07] <jlf> i'll prolly just start from scratch again as i hadn't applied very many changes (and i made notes this time after the previous corruption episodes)
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[18:19] <jerng> gordonDrogon: i installed debian using qemu on my raspberry and have default debian repo
[18:20] <hifi> how did you manage to do that? it shouldn't run
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[18:23] <gordonDrogon> jerng, huh? You are running qemu on a Pi?
[18:24] <jerng> no, i installed debian on a sd card using qemu
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[18:24] <gordonDrogon> jerng, whatever - you're making life hard for yourself. just install Raspbian on the Pi and use that directly.
[18:24] <hifi> how can debian run when it's compiled against a newer ARM cpu?
[18:25] <jerng> i had in mind its quite bloated...
[18:25] <gordonDrogon> soft-float debian works fine.
[18:25] <hifi> jerng: use https://github.com/hifi/raspbian-ua-netinst
[18:25] <hifi> gordonDrogon: oh, I was under the impression even the soft float version was incompatible
[18:25] <gordonDrogon> jerng, I hardly think a 2GB image is bloated.
[18:25] <hifi> it is
[18:25] <gordonDrogon> well it is, but it works just fine.
[18:25] <hifi> that's why I created this project no one cares about
[18:25] <gordonDrogon> Use raspbian. it works.
[18:26] <jerng> ok. :/
[18:26] <hifi> that'll give you slimmer raspbian than the debian wheezy netinstall would be
[18:26] <gordonDrogon> hifi, the trouble with being a 'power user' is that we know how to apt-get purge :)
[18:26] <hifi> gordonDrogon: it's not pretty nor fast that way
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[18:27] <hifi> and you'll get a completely up-to-date install from first run
[18:27] <jerng> well, apt-get purge is known
[18:27] <hifi> it's totally backwards to purge stuff when you can just install the minimal
[18:27] <gordonDrogon> hifi, you are correct, but lets face it - Pi users are either old power users like us, or complete newbies.
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[18:27] <jerng> hifi: that's what i meant
[18:28] <hifi> gordonDrogon: that's why I would think my approach would appeal to old power users who are accustomed to doing a slim netinstall of their favourite distribution
[18:28] <hifi> of course I'm very late to the game, but being completely ignored is quite surprising
[18:28] <gordonDrogon> hifi, if you'd had that 18 months ago ;-)
[18:28] <gordonDrogon> where are you punting it? the forums might be the best place, however you're up against the same site directing people to noobs or the standard dd method for raspbian...
[18:29] <clever> dang, out of paper!
[18:29] <clever> and i cant find the pack of new paper
[18:29] <hifi> gordonDrogon: I have a thread in the Raspbian section of raspberrypi.org, I've added a not to the jessie thread about doing a minimal jessie netinstall using my approach, I shamelessly injected an ad of my project into another similiar thread
[18:29] <hifi> I'm out of options and I don't want to be rude and spam *every* thread
[18:30] <hifi> it's just so wrong people are "yay, this is very cool" when they see a purged SD image
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[18:30] <hifi> when there's a real minimal netinstall sitting right next to it which will install in half of the space
[18:30] <hifi> eats me inside, seriously :p
[18:30] <gordonDrogon> clever, this is a good site you might want to check: http://www.torchythebatteryboy.com/p/18350-17670-16340-14500-10440-batteries.html
[18:30] <hifi> not a *single* reply and I've been also shamelessly bumping the thread
[18:31] <hifi> would be more than happy to cleanup the scripts and add more features if people need them, but no one gives a... umm... raspberry
[18:31] <gordonDrogon> hifi, it's a tough old world - I suspect Pi newbs just don't understand. I tend to take the path of least resistance now myself too.
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[18:31] <clever> gordonDrogon: thanks
[18:31] <hifi> I'm not targeting newbies really, they are better off with the full image
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[18:31] <gordonDrogon> hifi, hang in there - do you run a blog? blog it, write about it, tweet it, etc.
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[18:32] <hifi> too social ;)
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[18:32] <atouk> hifi? yeah, the old tube type pi's were the best
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[18:32] <hifi> I would like to give it more exposure but even plugwash ignored my forum pm, I think he doesn't notice the inbox
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[18:33] <hifi> would very much want to hear opinions from upstream if it could be polished and released more officially if it's worthy
[18:34] <reindeerflotilla> hi there everybody, I'm trying to get a bluetooth headset to work and it's proving to be really tricky. If anybody has a second to assist, it would be really appreciated
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[18:35] <gordonDrogon> hifi, to be honest, I'm lazy and the next time I do a Pi install, I'll just clone one of my existing SD cards and change the hostname...
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[18:36] <reindeerflotilla> when I use hcitool to connect to it, I get an error: "Can't create connection: Input/output error". Is hcitool the way to go with this, or should I be using blues-simple-agent?
[18:36] <hifi> gordonDrogon: it's as lazy as just dumping the installer and bootin the pi
[18:36] <hifi> and you'll end up with a clean base system
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[18:36] <hifi> it's no nonsense installer, best thing since sliced bread
[18:36] <hifi> I believe in the project too much
[18:37] <hifi> but hey, I still believe in it after being completely ignored for a week
[18:37] <gordonDrogon> I don't want to spend time installing 100's of packages next time I setup a new Pi. I'd use your system once ... then clone the SD cards.
[18:37] <hifi> gordonDrogon: it depends on your use case
[18:37] <gordonDrogon> so I used Raspbian ... once. then cloneds the SD cards.
[18:37] <hifi> I wouldn't probably want to install a desktop system from scratch many times
[18:37] <hifi> but if I wanted a small project install for example to 512MB card, that would work
[18:37] <hifi> or a small pi server
[18:38] <hifi> it's definitely not for regular desktop use, but many people use the pi for different kinds of projects
[18:38] <hifi> though people also tend to not care about the bloat that's with the SD image
[18:38] <hifi> nor actually keep it up-to-date
[18:38] <hifi> which would be faster if your image is not bloaty
[18:38] <gordonDrogon> well I might give it a go - as it happens I do have a project to create a customer distro - to some extent.
[18:39] <gordonDrogon> but not until mid-august.
[18:40] <hifi> and the best part is you don't even need to trust me! just rebuild it from git
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[18:41] <hifi> it'll only take 5 minutes to go through the script
[18:41] <hifi> that would be quite slow reading though
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[18:43] <Mosselman> hey guys. I am trying to capture video from my webcam attached to the raspberry
[18:43] <Mosselman> I am having an issue: just a few frames are captured for some reason.
[18:43] <Mosselman> I am using avconv
[18:43] <Mosselman> Any tips/
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[19:00] <Ladon> Pi can power a portable hard drive and usb hubs for controllers, y?
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[19:01] <gordonDrogon> Ladon, not recommended.
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[19:05] <gordonDrogon> Ladon, you only have about 200mA spare on the +5v supply - that's barely enough...
[19:05] <hifi> it can power a thumb drive though
[19:05] <Ladon> hmm, I'm trying to figure out how people run emulators with 2x controllers and/or a hard drive, then
[19:05] <hifi> powered USB hub
[19:06] <Ladon> cubieboard can power SATA drive :\ I'm comparing/shopping around at the moment
[19:07] <hifi> if you don't need an actual hard drive and a thumb drive is enough, you can possibly also use an unpowered USB hub with two controllers and the drive
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[19:09] <Ladon> my only issue with that is budgetary... why spend ~$40 for a 64gb thumb drive when I can spend 50 and get a hard drive that's at least 500GB?
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[19:09] <hifi> what the heck are you going to emulate with 500GB worth of... stuff?
[19:09] <hifi> or even 64GB
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[19:10] <Ladon> I'm going to use berryboot with VNC to have whichever board I get (pcD, RPi, CB2) serve different functions... boot into a NAS, a torrent client w/ vpn (main purpose), emulators, or openelec
[19:11] <hifi> you could mount a larger driver over ethernet if you really need that much space
[19:11] <hifi> drive*
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[19:12] <Ladon> yeah but then I'd have to get a NAS and it wouldn't be portable
[19:13] <Ladon> I'd like to have something to take over to a friend's house, not many of mine have htpcs/emulators, it'd make for a fun device
[19:13] <Ladon> at home it'd mostly just be a torrent client
[19:13] <hifi> I'm not sure if it works but if you have a powered USB hub you could power the Pi from it and attach the hub itself to the Pi to attach other stuff to it
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[19:16] <Ladon> wait, so, no power cord to RPi, power cord to USB hub, hub plugged into the RPi (as is standard) and then the other USB slot on the RPi plugged into the hub?
[19:16] <Ladon> that's the Escher setup of cords
[19:16] <hifi> plug the micro usb of the pi to the hub and plug the hub to the usb port of the pi
[19:17] <hifi> I don't see a huge issue in that unless someone who knows more about electronics tells me otherwise
[19:17] <Ladon> that makes much more sense
[19:17] <Ladon> sorry, haha
[19:17] <hifi> as the power pins of the hub->pi usb *should* be disconnected
[19:17] <hifi> as the power is drawn externally
[19:18] <SpeedEvil> hifi: it may not work at all - some hubs require an upstream USB host efore enabling the downstream ports
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[19:18] <SpeedEvil> Probably not most.
[19:18] <reindeerflotilla> hi everybody, just following up a question I asked about bluetooth headsets and the RPi, I've posted a detailed question on stackexchange, which you can see here: http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/8582/setting-up-a-bluetooth-headset
[19:19] <hifi> yeah, but people use hubs to charge stuff nowdays it would make sense for it to have power even without the host USB connected
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[19:19] <Ladon> but a hub like http://www.amazon.com/D-Link-Hi-Speed-7-Port-Powered-DUB-H7/dp/B00008VFAF/ref=sr_1_3?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1374686290&sr=1-3&keywords=powered+usb+hub is only 5v, also?
[19:19] <Ladon> what sort of voltage would it require to run a loop like that?
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[19:19] <reindeerflotilla> any help with this bluetooth problem is much appreciated, I think it's more a problem of how to get pulse audio or alas to recognize the device
[19:19] <reindeerflotilla> alsa*
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[19:21] <FerkSwe> Hey. I need a remote desktop connection (with gui) that will show me the same things as the local monitor. Anyone know how to do this? Or know of a good tutorial?
[19:22] <FerkSwe> Sorry for not googling this myself, I am in a slight hurry and i figured you nice people could help me faster
[19:22] <reindeerflotilla> I typically remote in using ssh or mosh, not sure about a gui though
[19:23] <hifi> Ladon: USB is regular 5V, such a loop doesn't change anything
[19:23] <FerkSwe> reindeerflotilla, Yeah I have ssh. But i need the graphical. It's going to power a giant LED-wall so I need to see what the wall will see
[19:23] <hifi> one is for data and one is for power, if the hub is wired properly and functions without the host having power first then it could just work
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[19:23] <FerkSwe> I'll get ya'll a picture as soon as it's working
[19:24] <hifi> I don't own a powered USB hub to test that unfortunately
[19:24] <hifi> I guess you can also fry your pi and/or hub with that in the worst case
[19:24] <reindeerflotilla> quickly googling that pops up http://stackoverflow.com/questions/15712403/access-raspian-wheezy-desktop-gui-through-ssh and http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=45388&p=359732
[19:24] <Ladon> hmm, amps to watts..
[19:25] <FerkSwe> Ladon u*i = p
[19:25] <FerkSwe> Ladon Meaning voltage times current equals watts
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[19:26] <reindeerflotilla> sorry FerkSwe, I'm not much help here as I haven't done that before. The X11 forwarding route looks like a possible solution though
[19:28] <FerkSwe> reindeerflotilla Yeah. Reading about it but it's slightly confusing to me.
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[19:29] <nicdev> is the Chromecast a nod to rPi?
[19:31] <nicdev> i am thinking the price point for start, and looking forward to a teardown
[19:31] <FerkSwe> reindeerflotilla Yeah... That gives me nothing i think. :/
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[19:35] <FerkSwe> Does anyone else have any idea?
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[19:39] <MachinaeWolf> How do I get the terminal to autocomplete on ~/ it only wants to do it on regular directory lists
[19:39] <nicdev> FerkSwe: i have not done it, but have you considered a vnc?
[19:40] <nicdev> as i have not done it with rPi
[19:40] <nmpro> I've been having issues with streaming, no matter the source. It will stream from 15 - 30 mintues and the video stops.. any ideas?
[19:42] <FerkSwe> nicdev That's what I'm currently looking into. But from what I read it will give me a new desktop.
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[19:47] <nicdev> manybe x11vnc? see this post http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/61750/why-vnc-not-showing-actual-remote-desktop
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[19:52] <FerkSwe> nicdev THAT sounds like what I need!
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[19:56] <FerkSwe> nicdev Now I just need to figure out how to use Vino..
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[19:57] <ecraven> hello :) what are the software options for a raspberry pi gps navigation device?
[19:57] <SpeedEvil> Any of many, many USB GSB dongles
[19:57] <SpeedEvil> GPS
[19:57] <SpeedEvil> Or bluetooth
[19:57] <SpeedEvil> Or serial.
[19:58] <SpeedEvil> Or SDR, and roll-your-own.
[19:58] <SpeedEvil> Or use a normal GPS, and point a webcam at it.
[19:58] <SpeedEvil> Or wifi geolocation.
[19:59] <ecraven> yes, but what *software* do i run for navigation? something supporting a touchscreen, for use in a car
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[19:59] <piney> interesting. never thought of sdr for GPS.
[19:59] <SpeedEvil> http://xkcd.com/407/
[19:59] <SpeedEvil> piney: It's not a difficult porotocol.
[20:00] <SpeedEvil> http://www.colorado.edu/geography/gcraft/notes/gps/gps.html
[20:00] <piney> always a relevant xkcd too
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[20:00] <piney> SpeedEvil, thanks. will read later
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[20:02] <nicdev> FerkSwe: i think lxde is x11 so i would give x11vnc a shot before vino. good luck and document and share!!
[20:03] <clever> FerkSwe: do you want to share the same screen as hdmi, or create a different screen?
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[20:10] <FerkSwe> Does anyone know how to use vino?
[20:10] <clever> FerkSwe: do you want to share the same screen as hdmi, or create a different screen?
[20:10] <FerkSwe> Same
[20:10] <FerkSwe> as the hdmi
[20:10] <clever> FerkSwe: for vnc, you want either x0vncserver, or the xorg modules
[20:11] <FerkSwe> Ugh. So confusing
[20:11] <FerkSwe> Which way do you think is the easiest?
[20:11] <clever> x0vncserver
[20:11] <clever> just tell it where the password is, thats it
[20:12] <clever> vncpasswd ~/.vnc/passwd;x0vncserver passwordfile=~/.vnc/passwd
[20:12] <FerkSwe> so all i have to do is apt-get it and then ^
[20:12] <clever> yep
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[20:13] <clever> only downside is that x0vncserver works by polling, it will chew up extra cpu power
[20:14] <FerkSwe> It only runs a webserver that only displays a page locally.
[20:14] <FerkSwe> but x0vncserver isn't a package?
[20:14] <clever> no, its a program within a package
[20:14] <clever> the package is called something else, *looks*
[20:14] <FerkSwe> o.O
[20:14] <clever> vnc4server i think
[20:15] <FerkSwe> Nope
[20:16] <clever> let me boot my pi up and see...
[20:17] <FerkSwe> vnc-server?
[20:17] <FerkSwe> http://www.kodkast.com/applications/find-which-package-file-belongs-to?file=/usr/bin/x0vncserver
[20:17] <FerkSwe> Could that be it?
[20:17] <FerkSwe> tightvncserver!
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[20:17] <clever> give it a try
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[20:18] <FerkSwe> It installed
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[20:18] <clever> /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libvnc.so would give much better performance, but is more complex to enable
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[20:19] <clever> ah, the search site you used is fedora based, not debian based
[20:19] <clever> tightvncserver on debian doesnt contain x0vncserver
[20:19] <FerkSwe> Oh.
[20:19] <FerkSwe> Balls
[20:19] <nicdev> tightvnc creates a new screen so you won't be able to do screen sharing which is what i thought you were looking for. but let me if it works for you nonetheless
[20:20] <FerkSwe> Nope, won't work
[20:20] <clever> let me check another package
[20:20] <FerkSwe> Just stressed so didn't read properly.
[20:20] <FerkSwe> Thanks
[20:20] <FerkSwe> I love you
[20:21] <clever> Note, selecting 'tightvncserver' instead of 'vnc-server'
[20:21] <FerkSwe> Ya
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[20:21] * clever kicks apt-get
[20:21] <clever> i just installed that!!
[20:21] <FerkSwe> Same
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[20:22] <clever> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=38415
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[20:23] <FerkSwe> That guy is using x11vnc instead
[20:23] <clever> check the last post on the thread
[20:25] <FerkSwe> Yeah+
[20:25] <FerkSwe> ?
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[20:25] <clever> let me see whats in x11vnc
[20:26] * IT_Sean logs into clever's raspi and uninstalls apt
[20:26] <clever> IT_Sean: :D
[20:26] <clever> i have thought about switching it to gentoo
[20:26] <FerkSwe> clever The last post just says to use x0vncserver.
[20:27] <clever> FerkSwe: yep, i made that post
[20:27] <FerkSwe> How does that help me? :S
[20:27] <clever> let me see whats in x11vnc
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[20:27] <clever> hmmm, i think you just install x11vnc and then run x11vnc -display :0
[20:28] <FerkSwe> Let's try
[20:29] <FerkSwe> Installing
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[20:30] <clever> hmmm, seems i dont even have a vnc client on the winblows box!
[20:31] <FerkSwe> IT WORKS!
[20:31] <FerkSwe> HOLY FUCK I LOVE YOU!
[20:31] <clever> pi@raspberrypi ~ $ x11vnc -display :0 -rfbport 5900
[20:31] <FerkSwe> So long time, such simple solution
[20:31] <clever> yep, works like this too
[20:31] * FerkSwe was kicked from #raspberrypi by IT_Sean
[20:31] <clever> also, it seems the framebuffer sizes i set for the small composite tv also effect x
[20:32] <clever> so the vnc window is insane small, lol
[20:32] <clever> 3 icons by 2 icons + taskbar
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[20:32] <FerkSwe> IT_Sean Sorry.
[20:32] <clever> also, it seems the framebuffer sizes i set for the small composite tv also effect x
[20:32] <clever> so the vnc window is insane small, lol
[20:32] <clever> 3 icons by 2 icons + taskbar
[20:33] <clever> 360x240 pixels!
[20:33] <IT_Sean> S'allright. Please do familiarize yourself with the channel rules, though, FerkSwe.
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[20:34] <clever> IT_Sean: ive also got the touch sensor working now :)
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[20:35] <FerkSwe> Now that works. Now we just need to get it onto the giant LED display
[20:35] <clever> FerkSwe: ?
[20:36] <FerkSwe> I'm configuring the pi to run a 3x12 meter LED display
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[20:36] <FerkSwe> I'll get you a picture later on
[20:37] <clever> FerkSwe: dont see a need for vnc in that
[20:38] <FerkSwe> True, but we want to see what goes onto the display. We are controlling it remotely, can't even see it from here
[20:38] <clever> hdmi goes to the LED display?
[20:38] <FerkSwe> ya
[20:38] <clever> ah, ok
[20:38] <clever> so the vnc lets you double-check the output
[20:38] <FerkSwe> ya
[20:39] <clever> i thought you where going to make custom software to feed vnc into the led panel
[20:39] <FerkSwe> Naah
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[20:41] <FerkSwe> One more thing. I started it with the command, and when I DC'd it shut down. Can I get it to run in the background and allow multiple connections?
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[20:42] <clever> FerkSwe: the manual says to use -loop
[20:43] <FerkSwe> Okay
[20:43] <clever> IT_Sean: hmmm, strange, i'm seeing the same data over i2c for seperate registers
[20:43] <clever> but the datasheet says it shouldnt be doing this
[20:43] * IT_Sean has no idea why you are pinging him with this information
[20:44] <clever> dont know who else id ping :P
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[20:50] <clever> IT_Sean: ah, i think i found the problem
[20:50] <clever> if you read register 0x00 then 0x01 in byte mode, it returns the same data!
[20:50] <clever> but if you read 0x00 in word mode, it works correctly
[20:50] <clever> and the python i2c lib does word mode with 2 byte reads
[20:51] <clever> raspberrypi ~ # i2cget -y 0 0x5a 0x00 w
[20:51] <clever> this gets the correct data
[20:55] <clever> yep, all i had to do was call the internal read_word_data function
[20:55] <clever> the lib needs work
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[21:00] <FerkSwe> Almost there. Now the webdude needs to do his thing with correcting fonts and stuff... So close.
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[21:03] <clever> and a pull request has been sent to fix the bug i found!
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[21:33] <clever> lets see if the cap-touch can work thru glass
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[21:34] <clever> yep
[21:34] <clever> but its leaking over into other elements
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[21:35] <clever> and now its stuck getting hits on all the elements
[21:35] <clever> needs some baseline adjustment
[21:37] <gordonDrogon> using a Pi as the capacitive touch input?
[21:37] <clever> gordonDrogon: i2c based captouch sensor
[21:37] <gordonDrogon> ok
[21:38] <clever> gordonDrogon: https://www.sparkfun.com/products/9695
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[21:39] <gordonDrogon> looks fun.
[21:39] <gordonDrogon> I did some capacitive experiments directly with a Pi some time back.
[21:39] <nmpro> I've been having issues with streaming, no matter the source. It will stream from 15 - 30 mintues and the video stops.. any ideas?
[21:39] <gordonDrogon> don't do enough video work here to have any input...
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[21:41] <clever> gordonDrogon: for testing, all i did was scotch tape the entire board to the back of a sheet of glass
[21:41] <clever> gordonDrogon: at first, it was responding to touch events, but then it just gave random bits
[21:42] <clever> and resetting it by yanking the 3.3v line just made things much worse
[21:43] <clever> gordonDrogon: whoa
[21:43] <clever> if i touch anywhere on the class, even inches away from the sensor, it reacts!
[21:44] <gordonDrogon> clever, you probably have a grounding issue.
[21:44] <IT_Sean> ^ that
[21:44] <clever> the glass is touching a few of the solder jumper pads on the back of the board
[21:44] <clever> but its otherwise floating
[21:44] <clever> oh, and its touching the edge of a few data pins
[21:45] <clever> but the glass should be mostly insulating, not resistive
[21:45] <gordonDrogon> glass is a very good insulator!
[21:45] <gordonDrogon> it's used in high voltage systems.
[21:45] <clever> dont see how it could be a grounding issue
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[21:46] <Encrypt> clever, Which kind of glass is it?
[21:46] <Encrypt> Where did you find it?
[21:47] <clever> i think it came out of a picture frame
[21:47] <Encrypt> Ok
[21:47] <Encrypt> Because one can notice that plasma balls are covered by a glass sphere
[21:47] <Encrypt> But it seems to conduct electricity
[21:48] <lazors> Contemplating purchasing a RPI. Can RPI run Firefox + Flash? I know we have OE -- What about Hulu? YouTube? TV alternatives. Is it that powerful enough to do that?
[21:48] <clever> lazors: there are no arm builds of flash
[21:49] <clever> gordonDrogon: let me see what the raw capacitance levels are...
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[21:50] <lazors> clever: I see. Perhaps a script that will wget + convert flash to mp4 before playing? youtube-dl (or so)? Wild idea. Thank you for your swift response.
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[21:50] <Encrypt> lazors, What are you planning to do?
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[21:50] <Encrypt> Because if you're looking for a media center, you could get XBMC
[21:50] <clever> lazors: the flash code in youtube is simply a video decoder and streamer
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[21:51] <Nakaner> Hello. Does anyone of you use a TP-Link TL-WN722N wifi usb stick at a RPi? I am able to run it in ad-hoc mode at my Ubuntu 13.04 computer but not at RPi.
[21:51] <lazors> Encrypt: Getting a RPI for first time -- Perhaps I could replace my two HTPC with OE -- but I also have Iceweasel + Minimal Tiling Manager for Websites-With-Videos-And-Documentaries-And-Many-Random-Stuffs
[21:52] <selorami> lazors: youtube videos downloaded with youtube-dl can be played with omxplayer, without converting
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[21:53] <devslash> Do most usb keyboards work with the pi?
[21:53] <devslash> Or do I need to get a specific brand
[21:53] <taza> Wired, yes
[21:53] <clever> gordonDrogon: strange, register 0x04 has the same value as register 0x00
[21:53] <taza> I use the Logitech K120
[21:53] <lazors> selorami: What about Random-Websites-With-Random-Videos-And-Stuffs? I'm likely to go ahead and order two with either outcomes. :)
[21:53] <taza> Wireless keyboards with an USB dongle tend to be kinda iffy
[21:54] <pksato> if is a starndard USB HID.
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[21:54] <clever> i need to get the scope on this and see if the pi is screwing up on me
[21:54] <devslash> Yes my wireless kb doesn't work
[21:54] <taza> ... the K120 is extremely common, cheap and reliable, I'd recommend it.
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[21:55] <Encrypt> devslash, Just buy any keyboard with a wire :p
[21:55] <selorami> lazors: sorry, don't know :/
[21:55] <lazors> selorami: No problem. :)
[21:55] <Nakaner> Cherry JK-01 works, too.
[21:55] <Encrypt> lazors, What is exactly your goal?
[21:55] <atouk> logitech mx320 works here with no problems
[21:56] <atouk> kb/mouse combo for about 40 bucks
[21:56] <Encrypt> Because if you're planning to use the Pi as your main computer, I don't think it is a good idea
[21:56] <taza> Fifty billion different wired standard USB keyboards work, yeah. I just recommended the one from the bargain bin.
[21:56] <atouk> any "name brand" sshould be OK
[21:56] <devslash> I normally ssh into my pi which is a headless server but networking stopped working
[21:57] <lazors> Encrypt: To find out if RPI can utilize nothing but Firefox+Flash(scratch that now?). It all boils down to "Can RPI run a browser and watch stuffs -- Hooked to TV?" -- Example link: http://www.hulu.com/watch/289122
[21:58] <clever> lazors: i think hulu only allows you to watch via the flash player
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[21:58] <lazors> And I believe I got my answer few lines ago though.
[21:58] <devslash> Does anyone know if the logitech k400 works?
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[21:58] <taza> It does not.
[21:58] <devslash> Danny
[21:58] <devslash> Damn
[21:58] <taza> It rather explicitly requires hackery to get to work.
[21:59] <taza> To be specific, it works with Raspbian 90% of the time, and with Raspbmc 9% of the time.
[21:59] <devslash> The only wired kb they have here is some cheapo ge brand kb
[21:59] <taza> Weird, you'd think the Logitech K120 was available basically anywhere.
[21:59] <taza> I can grab one from Amazon or Newegg for a few bucks.
[21:59] <devslash> I'm at a target stoew
[21:59] <devslash> Store
[22:00] <devslash> I can't wait I need one asap to troubleshoot my pi
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[22:00] <atouk> k400 works according to forum
[22:00] <taza> Well any wired standard usb keyboard should do.
[22:00] <devslash> Because eth0 doesn't come up
[22:00] <taza> atouk: It does NOT work 100%
[22:00] <devslash> What is iffy about it
[22:01] <taza> devslash: Mostly it's bugged under Raspbmc
[22:01] <taza> Loses connection randomly, refuses to reconnect. Never had real problems under Raspbian.
[22:01] <devslash> Oh I hate raspbmc I used it yesterday and found it to be unintuitive and a not buggy
[22:01] <devslash> I use arch Linux not raspbian
[22:01] <IT_Sean> try OpenELEC?
[22:02] <IT_Sean> if you want xbmc
[22:02] <atouk> according to what i see, it's only a keymap issue for foreign languages, and a sleep issue that can be fixed with 5 lines in /etc/rc.local
[22:02] <devslash> Do you need to install drivers
[22:02] <taza> atouk: AND YOU ARE WRONG.
[22:02] <taza> devslash: No drivers required
[22:02] <nmpro> so which platform is best for xbmc?
[22:02] <devslash> I'll just get the wired kb. Hope it works
[22:02] <nmpro> I've had many issue w/ raspbmc .. that's why I'm asking
[22:02] <taza> It probably will.
[22:02] <taza> Hm
[22:02] <taza> Check what operating systems it requires
[22:03] <taza> As long as it's like "Windows, Mac OSX, Linux" or doesn't mention, it oughta be fine
[22:03] <devslash> Raspbmc sucks I could configure it to access it outside my home network
[22:03] <devslash> It only mentions windows
[22:03] <devslash> Error couldn't configure
[22:04] <taza> Well, it still should work as a wired USB keyboard, heh.
[22:04] <devslash> Ok
[22:04] <devslash> Hope so. I need to get eth0 back up
[22:04] <taza> Should, mind you, no guarantee.
[22:04] <devslash> I know
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[22:05] <devslash> This is one of the problems with having a headless server
[22:06] <clever> devslash: and you dont happen to have a usb keyboard in use on any pc, or laying arround?
[22:07] <devslash> Nope
[22:07] <devslash> Only a ps2 or whatever it's called
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[22:07] <devslash> The older style connection
[22:08] <devslash> And a wireless logitech usb kb that didn't work
[22:08] <taza> atouk: To clarify: I have a K400, I've tried the rc.local fix, and turns out that doesn't fix it. The keymap issue is easily fixed. The issue is that at least under XBMC the keyboard disconnects and refuses to come back... and this doesn't affect the kernel.
[22:10] <taza> And well, to do the rc.local fix you need to plug in a separate usb keyboard anyway.
[22:10] <clever> gordonDrogon: adding pullup resistors to the i2c bus does improve the false readings, but not the register 4 problems
[22:11] <reindeerflotilla> hi guys, I'm very very stuck here trying to get a bluetooth headset to work. Full details are up in a stack exchange question here: http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/8582/setting-up-a-bluetooth-headset. It looks like I can connect with bluez-simple-agent, but I don't see a sound card pop up in aplay -L Is there something I need to do to make it recognized as a sound card?
[22:11] <Encrypt> What's the aim of having a wireless keyboard?
[22:12] <taza> Encrypt: Using your Pi from the sofa when it's hooked up to the TV?
[22:12] <Encrypt> Hum...
[22:12] <Encrypt> Mokay :p
[22:12] <atouk> i have the mx320 and it works flawlessly, and from what I can see, it uses teh same dongle as the k400. And as usual, for people with marginal power supplies, sub dongles that pull too much can be flaky
[22:12] <gordonDrogon> clever, the Pi already has 1K8 pull-ups on the I2C.
[22:12] <taza> atouk: I have a 2.1A power supply.
[22:13] <gordonDrogon> clever, adding more shouldn't make any difference (might even be detrimental)
[22:13] <taza> And K400 users are reporting problems left and right, especially with Raspbmc.
[22:13] <clever> gordonDrogon: the edges where pretty fuzzy on the scope last time i used it with an avr
[22:13] <taza> Now, my DiNovo Mini? It works flawlessly.
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[22:14] <gordonDrogon> clever, it'll depend on the length of the wires. I've used it successfully at 1Mhz...
[22:14] <clever> gordonDrogon: acording to the datasheet, i should be getting adc readings in registers 0x04 and 0x05
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[22:14] <clever> but its returning the exact same value as 0x00/0x01
[22:14] <taza> atouk: So yeah, the K400? It's bugged *somehow* and I figure that aside the sleep issue it's more to do with a Raspbmc device initialization bug.
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[22:15] <gordonDrogon> clever, does the chip do any clock stretching? That'll kill the Pi.
[22:15] <clever> gordonDrogon: dont know yet, and yeah, i had seen problems with clock stretching on the avr
[22:15] <clever> too long and it just gave up
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[22:16] <gordonDrogon> I'm currently trying to use an ATmega as an I2C slave device to a Pi - it's struggling.
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[22:16] <gordonDrogon> and I'm seeing data corruption at some speeds, but not others )-:
[22:16] <clever> yeah, i wrote a bootloader via i2c for my mega
[22:16] <taza> atouk: In fact, it took me hours of troubleshooting to figure out it didn't affect the kernel, and as such I could force a reboot by doing ctrl+alt+del twice and thus not risk any SD card corruption when my keyboard randomly stopped working.
[22:16] <clever> gordonDrogon: how do you set the tx speed?
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[22:17] <gordonDrogon> clever, on the Pi? you can do it at module load time - gpio load i2c 400 - 400KHz.
[22:17] <clever> gordonDrogon: *looks*
[22:17] <gordonDrogon> you need to unload the module first. sudo rmmod i2c_bcm2708
[22:17] <gordonDrogon> then use gpio to load it.
[22:17] <taza> atouk: So, apologies for the rudeness, but the K400 is on the list of keyboards you absolutely do not recommend for people already having problems.
[22:17] <clever> parm: baudrate:The I2C baudrate (uint)
[22:17] <clever> ah, i see it
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[22:18] <clever> gordonDrogon: let me see...
[22:19] <atouk> well, you'ge got the "been there, done that" on this one.
[22:20] <atouk> i was just using my google-fu, which appears weak today
[22:20] <taza> To put it mildly. With the rc.local fix it works-ish under Raspbian but Raspbmc is still flaky, and I think it's more about a bug in connecting devices to Raspbmc
[22:21] <taza> (And definitely not the kernel bug they keep blathering on about.)
[22:21] <clever> gordonDrogon: if i'm reading this right, i can change the baud rate at run-time thru /sys/
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[22:24] * clever hooks scope up
[22:25] <atouk> k, i'm also using raspbian, not raspbmc,
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[22:27] <devslash> Hey guys forgot to ask about one more thing. When using a wired usb kb do you need a powered usb hub
[22:28] <taza> Not really.
[22:28] <taza> If it's the only device connected, I have never needed a powered hub.
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[22:29] <gordonDrogon> clever, no idea. nevertried it - I unload & reload the module.
[22:29] <greppy> devslash: it's going to depend on the keyboard, the hub and if anything else is plugged into it. basically, experiment and find out if it works :)
[22:29] <devslash> Damn
[22:29] <atouk> power isseues on a pi are always YMMV
[22:30] <devslash> Ymmv?
[22:30] <clever> gordonDrogon: https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/blob/rpi-3.6.y/drivers/i2c/busses/i2c-bcm2708.c#L73
[22:30] <atouk> your mileage may vary
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[22:30] <devslash> Ah
[22:30] <clever> gordonDrogon: the file at /sys/modules/i2c_bcm2708/parameters/baudrate should directly map to this int
[22:30] <clever> so its purely a matter of how often the driver checks the int
[22:30] <taza> But yeah, just the keyboard? I've NEVER had it be a problem.
[22:30] <taza> It's always been some other, more power-hungry device.
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[22:31] <clever> gordonDrogon: and if i understand the source right, i think that happens every time you tx a byte
[22:31] <atouk> usual suspect us the wireless lan dongle
[22:31] <devslash> OK thanks
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[22:33] <clever> gordonDrogon: testing...
[22:33] <gordonDrogon> clever, yes it seems to read the value I set earlier.
[22:34] <gordonDrogon> /sys/module/i2c_bcm2708/parameters/baudrate though.
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[22:35] <clever> gordonDrogon: yeah, i had to type it from memory while it was rebooting
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[22:36] <gordonDrogon> still won't help the clock stretching - although you can set it down to 10Khz...
[22:36] <clever> yep, its exactly 100khz right now
[22:36] <clever> raspberrypi ~ # echo > /sys/module/i2c_bcm2708/parameters/baudrate 50000
[22:36] <clever> this causes it to instantly slow down, even in the middle of running my python code
[22:37] <clever> now its exactly 50khz
[22:37] <ricksl> whats the lowest anyone has underclocked a pi, what is the lower limit of that?
[22:38] <gordonDrogon> clever, oh well - that might save unload/reload the module - I'll look for it in my next release of gpio...
[22:38] <clever> ricksl: ive ran it at 10mhz or less, but then i got sd card write failures
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[22:38] <LigerZero> What file do I need to check to see the cpu governor?
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[22:39] <clever> raspberrypi ~ # find /sys|grep gov
[22:39] <clever> /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor
[22:40] <clever> gordonDrogon: hmmm, 10khz doesnt solve the problems with register 4
[22:41] <LigerZero> thanks
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[22:41] <LigerZero> I suppose I should install cpufreqd?
[22:41] <clever> LigerZero: no need, if you set the min and max in config.txt, and set it to ondemand, it will pick any freq in the middle
[22:42] <clever> also, it appears to have no impact at all on current draw
[22:42] <LigerZero> oh so it won't speed up the machine?
[22:43] <clever> it will only go up to the speed you configured in config.txt
[22:43] <LigerZero> and idk what it's running but it's set to powersave apparently
[22:43] <clever> yeah, that tells it to run at the lowest freq possible
[22:43] <clever> and by default, thats 800mhz
[22:43] <LigerZero> ah
[22:43] <clever> the max freq is also 800mhz
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[22:44] <clever> arm_freq_min=200
[22:44] <clever> i was using this in my config.txt, to change the min, but it didnt help current draw any
[22:44] <LigerZero> well I don't find it laggy like on fedor for the pi but some things do take a bit to load
[22:44] <LigerZero> fedora*
[22:44] <clever> arm_freq=800
[22:44] <LigerZero> my keyboard some keys I have to hit more than once for it to do
[22:44] <clever> if your having lag issues, then you may want to raise this value and reboot
[22:45] <LigerZero> well I think it's good as menus aren't laggy
[22:46] <LigerZero> they were by default on fedora unless I chnged it to performance
[22:46] <LigerZero> this is raspbian though, that issue isn't here
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[22:50] <clever> gordonDrogon: let me see if i can read the data pin
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[22:58] <Encrypt> My Pi is now 3
[22:58] <Encrypt> 37,9°C hot \o/
[22:58] <gordonDrogon> that's not hot for a Pi.
[22:59] <Encrypt> 37,9°C cold \o/
[22:59] <Encrypt> :p
[22:59] <atouk> mines at 55.7
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[22:59] <clever> http://ext.earthtools.ca/export/graph_102.html
[22:59] <clever> mines at 48.69
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[23:00] <Encrypt> And the temperature of my room is 26,7°C
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[23:00] <gordonDrogon> temp=57.3'C. can't be bothered to check the others - that's probably the hottest as it's bolted behind my monitor.
[23:01] <clever> gordonDrogon: hmmm, the scope says i am reading 0x04 correctly from the pi
[23:01] <gordonDrogon> clever, but the Pi doesn't see it?
[23:01] <clever> gordonDrogon: the pi see's the value from register 0x00
[23:02] <clever> and i cant see any hint of clock stretching on the write register phase
[23:02] <gordonDrogon> clever, are you sure it's the value from that register and not just co-incidence that it's reading that value?
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[23:02] <reindeerflotilla> has anybody here setup a bluetooth headset with the rpi before?
[23:02] <clever> gordonDrogon: it should be an adc value, not a bitmap of which elements are touched
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[23:04] <gordonDrogon> clever, who knows... I found with my thing that the I2C address was affecting what I was reading back from the ATmega- some I2C addresses would caus the top-bit to be set on data returned...
[23:04] <clever> gordonDrogon: thats strange...
[23:05] <clever> the i2c address and the data are seperated by the read/write bit
[23:05] <gordonDrogon> clever, yes at 100KHz it failled 100% of the time -at 200KHz 0% of the time.
[23:05] <clever> so there shouldnt be any leakage between the 2
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[23:05] <gordonDrogon> however at 200KHz the ATmega (@ 8MHz) can't keep up, so clock stretches and the Pi mis-reads.
[23:06] <clever> gordonDrogon: i dont see any signs of clock stretching at 10khz
[23:07] <clever> the only clock cycle thats slightly longer is the start signal
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[23:09] <clever> same thing at 100khz
[23:10] * plugwash has never liked using microcontrollers as I2C slaves, it often seems to be a PITA getting it to work right
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[23:11] <clever> raspberrypi ~ # echo > /sys/module/i2c_bcm2708/parameters/baudrate 4800000
[23:11] <clever> whoa, it works at 4.8mhz!!
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[23:12] <clever> at 5mhz, the rising edges are nasty (not enough pullup)
[23:12] <clever> and at 6mhz, it doesnt fail, but returns bad data often
[23:12] <clever> and the rising edges dont have time to fully rise
[23:13] <gordonDrogon> plugwash, I know )-:
[23:14] <clever> gordonDrogon: strange, the scope says 2.7mhz, but i set it to 4mhz!
[23:15] <clever> 3mhz set, 2mhz actual
[23:15] <clever> at 2.5mhz, it fails hard, like it did at 5mhz
[23:16] <gordonDrogon> the internal dividers might be rounding it?
[23:16] <clever> 2.4mhz set, 2.4mhz out
[23:16] <clever> yeah, feels like overflow problems
[23:16] <gordonDrogon> I did see one dual mcp23017 board that gave a nice sine wave at 1MHz.
[23:16] <clever> https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/blob/rpi-3.6.y/drivers/i2c/busses/i2c-bcm2708.c#L73
[23:16] <clever> let me see...
[23:17] <clever> gordonDrogon: line 155, it divides bus_hz by the baudrate, then writes the result to a register
[23:17] <gordonDrogon> I'm toying with the idea of a bit-banged protocol to talk to my little Atmega48p though - rather than use I2C, but over the I2C bus (as that's hardwired on the board)
[23:18] <clever> gordonDrogon: i was originaly planning to run the i2c network thruout a house, to several light switch plates
[23:18] <gordonDrogon> it's a fancy RTC type thing - it just means I can't use the standard hwclock program...
[23:18] <clever> with the plan to use an i2c bootloader to reflash each light switch module
[23:18] <gordonDrogon> clever, I don't think that would work very well myself...
[23:18] <clever> yeah, i see that now
[23:20] <clever> hmmm, 2.45mhz works, 2.46mhz doesnt
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[23:22] <clever> its clearly not a problem with speed
[23:22] <gordonDrogon> the downside of bit-banging something is someone else connecting to the I2C bus. highly unlikely for this board, but someone might try. my plan was to emulate one of the popular RTC chips...
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[23:25] <clever> let me see what other functions this i2c lib supports
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[23:28] <clever> gordonDrogon: odd, the ethernet went down!
[23:28] * clever hooks up tv
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[23:29] <clever> and, powersave!
[23:29] <clever> dang
[23:29] <clever> non responsive on usb keyboard also
[23:31] <clever> crud
[23:31] <clever> keyboard layout problems, cant comment out python code
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[23:32] <clever> aha, thought so
[23:32] <clever> kernel panic
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[23:41] <clever> gordonDrogon: now that i'm all setup to debug a panic, it wont panic
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[23:42] <clever> bam, there it goes:)
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[23:43] <clever> https://privatepaste.com/ac83d0df8f wheres kgdb! :S
[23:43] <clever> and why is the problem in sched/core.c...
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[23:46] <gordonDrogon> enjoy debugging - I'm off t obed
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[23:57] <clever> ok, this isnt going to be easy to debug
[23:57] <clever> it randomly locks up in the middle of actions
[23:57] <clever> no noticable dip in the 3.3v rai;
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[23:59] <clever> 18:55:03 reg0:111100000000 raw:111100000000

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