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IRC Log for 2013-07-26

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[0:01] <LigerZero> ShorTie: it's not muted
[0:01] <LigerZero> I had some errors on vlc and another program though
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[0:03] <LigerZero> http://pastebin.com/15zZwe8L
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[0:10] <nmpro> tig|: I doubt it's cheaper in the UK.. is the euro worth more? lol
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[1:40] <eggy> test
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[1:57] <dougiel> compiling openELEC now where do I get the mpg2 licence?
[1:59] <CeilingKitten> buy from the raspberrypi store/shop, i believe top right there is a link in the nav bar on www.raspberrypi.org
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[2:00] <CeilingKitten> you will need to send them your pi CPU Serial to get the right code
[2:00] <CeilingKitten> follow the instructions at the checkout
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[2:16] <dougiel> CeilingKitten, hey thanks got it now
[2:20] <emcepe> Okay guys, I am to dumb to display an image using fbi on the console using a console emulator. Is there an easy tutorial to teach me how to display images (.jpg? .gif?) on /dev/fb0?
[2:20] <emcepe> Yes I know this is not RPi specific
[2:22] <apo> http://p.0au.de/5496fc26 got it to work with C \o/
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[2:24] <emcepe> !seen SkG
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[2:40] <eggy> Are there any cases out for the camera module?
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[2:53] <\\Mr_C\\> is there an instant messenger client for console (non-gui)?
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[2:54] <hybr1d8> 'finch' is a console version of pidgin
[2:57] <apo> Mr_Sheesh: mcabber for jabber works for me
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[3:03] <CeilingKitten> there is also one called i believecenterim
[3:04] <CeilingKitten> called "centerim" i believe
[3:05] <CeilingKitten> finch is nice though =] the cli is fairly reminiscent of the pidgin gui.
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[3:08] <Firehopper> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apVR5Htz0K4 < build this everyone :)
[3:10] <clever> ive now got cap-touch working on my rpi!
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[3:45] <Bozza> #hts
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[3:51] <clever> IT_Sean: figured out half of my i2c problems!
[3:51] <IT_Sean> Oh?
[3:51] <clever> IT_Sean: i made the touch sensor into a keyboard
[3:52] <IT_Sean> Ahh
[3:52] <clever> drivers/input/keyboard/mpr121_touchkey.c the driver already existed
[3:52] <clever> i just had to fill in some platform data to describe the modified pi hardware
[3:52] <clever> i now have a capacitive touch enter key on my pi
[3:52] <Bozza> Nice
[3:52] <IT_Sean> Epic.
[3:52] <clever> i can do a total of 12 keys
[3:52] <Bozza> Pics!
[3:53] <Bozza> Or it didn't happen
[3:53] <Bozza> :)
[3:53] <clever> its just https://www.sparkfun.com/products/9695 , a pi, and 4 wires
[3:53] <clever> the touch elements are too close to eachother, so i cant easily use all the keys yet
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[3:55] <Bozza> What do you touch?
[3:55] <clever> one of the 12 elements on the side
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[3:55] <clever> in this case, 0 is the enter key and the rest do nothin
[3:56] <Bozza> Ahh cool . Got you
[3:56] <Bozza> How do you assign a key to an element?
[3:56] <clever> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/10250 would also work
[3:56] <clever> and has nice large keys
[3:57] <clever> http://privatepaste.com/a0fd28c5b3 this is how i assign the keys, the array near the top
[3:57] <Bozza> Wow yea that's a nice board
[3:58] * Bozza now wants to get into C
[3:58] <clever> the bare chip is $1.95, the simple breakout is $9.95, the full board is $19.95
[3:58] <Bozza> Raspberrypi , it will only cost you 45 usd they said
[3:59] <IT_Sean> Lol
[3:59] <Bozza> Hehe :)
[3:59] <clever> i thought they said 25 and 35
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[4:00] <Bozza> I wonder if anyone is making an actual mobile phone out of their pi
[4:01] <Bozza> That would be awesome
[4:01] <clever> this touch chip could be used to make a capacitive d-pad and home/back key
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[4:03] <Bozza> Clever any ideas what this will be used for yet?
[4:03] <Bozza> Or are you just messing around with different things?
[4:03] <scarolan> Bozza: Not sure about the Pi, but I'd love to get my hands on one of these: http://money.cnn.com/2013/07/01/technology/mobile/cheap-nokia-cell-phone/index.html
[4:03] <clever> Bozza: i was thinking of putting in a cardboard box and using the keypad to control various things
[4:04] <clever> like airodump-ng and connecting to wifi
[4:04] <clever> and since it can now emulate a keyboard in the kernel level, it can control any app seamlessly
[4:04] <clever> but its limited to 12 keys, and you cant change it without rebuilding the kernel
[4:04] <Bozza> scarolan: wow yea that's cheap
[4:05] <Bozza> clever: are you good with the ng suite and reaper
[4:05] <scarolan> Yep, and amazingly nokia turns a $5 profit on each one!
[4:05] <clever> Bozza: ive used them a few times in the field and gotten into wep
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[4:06] <Bozza> Yea wep was fun back when everyone used it
[4:06] <clever> Bozza: hmmm, with 12 keys, you could get 0 thru 9, enter, and backspace
[4:06] <clever> which would let you go thru a number driven menu
[4:06] <clever> and punch in multiple digits, with correction (backspace)
[4:07] <Bozza> That could be enough for a phone ;)
[4:07] <clever> a dpad would need 5 elements for up/down/left/right/select, and android also needs home/back, which takes up 7 elements
[4:08] <clever> so you could make a basic android interface with 7 elements, leaving 5 elements for other uses
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[4:11] <scarolan> Anyone have experience with solar powered batteries and an RPi? I'm wondering about creating some kind of rugged device, sealed in a box, that could charge by day and hibernate when power was low.
[4:11] <Bozza> I have so far gotten three buttons for my media player. Up, down and power
[4:12] <scarolan> So the panels would charge the battery, and the RPi would ideally run indefinitely on the battery if there were enough sunlight
[4:12] <Bozza> Those are the switches connected straight to the GPIO
[4:12] <Bozza> scarolan: never used solar powered chargers
[4:13] <Bozza> But I know there are many available online
[4:13] <scarolan> A remote weather station for example, or even something interesting like a wifi hotspot, or "mesh" network of several of them
[4:18] <djapo> hello world, i had been powerig my pi thru a usbhub and micro usb supply ... i was told this was safe aslong as both had their own power supply and i wasn't experiencing any problems untill i did an upgrade of the firmware, after which an 'unable to handle kernel null pointer' oops would occor ... i tried out several power configuration which led me to discover that trying to power the pi via a usbhub alone no longer work
[4:19] <clever> djapo: is usb mentioned in the error message?
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[4:20] <djapo> clever: there is an usb error http://pastebin.com/seJfYp5U
[4:21] <clever> hmm, thats a different one then i saw lastnight
[4:22] <djapo> clever: i created an issue in the firmware because of the kernel oops https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/issues/199
[4:22] <clever> ah, that was you lastnight
[4:22] <clever> my memory gets fuzzy fast! :P
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[4:23] <djapo> yes i have since upgraded to the latest kernel but still have the same error
[4:24] <djapo> the old kernel i was using was 3.6.11 now im using the lates
[4:25] <clever> ive got 3.10.0 right now
[4:25] <djapo> clever: i have 3.10.1-2
[4:26] <clever> let me update mine and see if that breaks everything
[4:28] <djapo> clever: mine broke before i updated to this version, i had done an update though, i updated to see if that would fix my issue but it didnt't
[4:28] <clever> mine is from july 8th
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[4:33] <djapo> clever: do you think this is hardware problem or a software problem, i would like to know if my pi has reach End Of Life even though i don't think i have done anything special to it only been using it with xbmc no overcolcking
[4:33] <clever> i think its software
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[4:38] <djapo> clever: but what about it not being able to power up via usb anymore
[4:38] <djapo> ?
[4:38] <clever> djapo: you can change the hardware and have it work without crashing at all?
[4:41] <djapo> clever: no i powere it off than change power supply but when i try to power it from a usb hub the lights on both the pi and the hub are very dim but when i try it withought the hdmi to vga adapter the lights are brighter but i canot tell if it is powering up or not
[4:41] <clever> sounds like power supply issues
[4:41] <clever> got a volt meter?
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[4:42] <djapo> no, a power supply issue with the usb hub or the hdmi port drawing power
[4:43] <clever> hard to say until you measure things and see what the exact symptons are
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[4:58] <djapo> clever:
[4:59] <clever> djapo:
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[5:00] <djapo> i have been running the pi for a while now withought any errors, didn't do anything diffrent though
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[5:32] <rikkib> Hmmm I have to dump the contents off an 8gb sd (Old Raspbian 3.1.09) onto my Linux box so I can load the latest Raspbian and play with my new camera.
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[5:47] <Bozza> Clever:http://pastebin.com/1Yb7ya9V
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[5:52] <rikkib> Bozza, Are you having compile problems?
[5:53] <Bozza> I am :)
[5:53] <rikkib> Standard way to compile the kernel is top level make and then make modules then install
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[5:54] <rikkib> I don't think you are in the right dir
[5:54] <rikkib> running make in that dir runs a make that is supposed to be run with make modules.
[5:56] <rikkib> Have you compiled before? Are you doing cross compile?
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[5:57] <rikkib> Have you bled a config file from a working rpi?
[5:57] <Bozza> Natively trying to compile USB wifi drivers
[5:59] <rikkib> You can just compile the drivers without having a special kernel to run them... Is is call modules dependencies... In other works the modules have to match the kernel.
[5:59] <Bozza> rikkib: i think it wants me to point to the 3.6.11 kernel
[5:59] <Bozza> S pi I am going to compile that
[6:00] <rikkib> You can't just compile the drivers without having a special kernel to run them... Is is call modules dependencies... In other works the modules have to match the kernel. Type fix
[6:00] <rikkib> words another typo
[6:01] <Bozza> So I will need to boot from the special kernel?
[6:02] <rikkib> You need to copy the downloaded (maybe patched) into the kernel tree.
[6:02] <rikkib> Sorry... I am confusing you
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[6:03] <rikkib> kernel and modules must be same version. Advanced users can compile a kernel that does not do those checks and allows you to just recompile the module over and again.
[6:04] <rikkib> But for newbies you need to compile the whole kernel and the modules
[6:04] <Bozza> So could I just point those Realtek drivers I am trying to compile to 3.10.
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[6:05] <rikkib> Copy into the kernel tree... The will already a place for them.
[6:05] <rikkib> forgive my fast typing
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[6:07] <Bozza> Shall I just copy the stuff from 3.10.0 to 3.6***
[6:07] <rikkib> No
[6:07] <Bozza> You're typing is fine. No worries :)
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[6:07] <Bozza> I mean the build folder
[6:08] <rikkib> What are you trying to achieve in the first place?
[6:08] <rikkib> So I can get a clearer picture
[6:09] <Bozza> Trying to compile USB wifi drivers
[6:09] <Bozza> rikkib: http://blog.poettner.de/2012/08/22/how-to-compile-rtl8192cu-ko-for-raspberry-pi-running-raspian/
[6:10] <rikkib> Becuase it is not in the kernel modules already?
[6:10] <Bozza> It isn't
[6:10] <rikkib> Ahhhh
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[6:11] <Bozza> A light version is but you can't use it to make a hotspot or turn monitoring mode on
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[6:11] <rikkib> OK
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[6:12] <rikkib> You just need to copy the tree for that driver into the new kernel tree....
[6:12] <rikkib> You will also need to run make menuconfig
[6:13] <rikkib> and enable the module
[6:13] <rikkib> you also need to sort out kernel config in the first place
[6:14] <rikkib> You can get config from the raspbian git hub
[6:14] <Bozza> Cool will do that .
[6:14] <rikkib> or you can grab a working config from a running rpi
[6:14] <Bozza> I will just get it from git hub
[6:15] <rikkib> look it the tools sub tree on github
[6:15] <Bozza> Thanks rikkib!!
[6:15] <rikkib> I think that is where it hides
[6:16] <rikkib> let me read the howto link
[6:16] <rikkib> you posted
[6:16] <Bozza> Alright .. Wait I was confused by the version numbers
[6:16] <Bozza> My current kernel 3.10 is newer than 3.6
[6:17] <rikkib> The best way to build a kernel for the RPi is to cross compile on a Linux box
[6:17] <Bozza> I will just natively compile. I know it will take half a day or so. But I will just leave it on
[6:18] <Bozza> So should I just download the newest kernel and compile it with the Realtek module ?
[6:18] <rikkib> Tricky question
[6:18] <Bozza> From the pastebin I posted earlier it seems to be looking into the 3.6**** folder
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[6:20] <Bozza> This is what it says on the Realtek site
[6:20] <Bozza> Linux Kernel 2.6.18~2.6.38 and Kernel 3.0.8 Android 1.6~2.3 and 4.0
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[6:22] <LigerZero> Is the libreofice in the pistore any different than the one in the raspbian repo?
[6:23] <LigerZero> and for any other apps in the pistore vs repo as well?
[6:24] <rikkib> Bozza, That how to is written for cross compile and you will note it says to have a freshly compiled kernel hanging around.
[6:24] <Bozza> Yes, that's where I am stuck
[6:25] <rikkib> If you run make again on the freshly compiled kernel after adding the driver into the tree it will just make the module with make modules
[6:26] <Bozza> cool
[6:26] <rikkib> That is how compiling works.
[6:26] <Bozza> Does it matter which kernel version?
[6:26] <LigerZero> Or are the pistore duplicates just optimized better or something?
[6:27] <rikkib> Now that is a good question... the driver does have a version attached
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[6:27] <Bozza> So I don't have to compile the driver module BEFORE I compile the kernel itself?
[6:27] <Bozza> I will just try with the latest version and see if it works
[6:28] <rikkib> So it is meant for that version of kernel however a leter version of kernel should be able to run it... But...
[6:28] <rikkib> The proper way is to just add the driver to the kernel tree and compile
[6:30] <rikkib> There must be standard instructions for compiling for the rpi somewhere on the web
[6:32] <Bozza> Ok I will get the .config and compile with the correct kernel module
[6:32] <Bozza> The thing I don't understand is .. When you say add the driver to the kernel tree. Do you mean I simply add the folder with the source code to the kernel tree?
[6:33] <rikkib> Lots of reading
[6:33] <Bozza> I have tried compiling the kernel from scratch before ll I failed
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[6:33] <rikkib> Kernel tree = the directory structure that is the kernel source
[6:35] <rikkib> Unfortunately the drives are out of my devel machine so I can not refer you to the dir
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[6:35] <rikkib> look up the kernel tree on github
[6:36] <rikkib> https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux
[6:36] <rikkib> then down into drivers
[6:37] <Bozza> http://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/tree/drivers
[6:37] <Bozza> Ahh ok ok
[6:37] <Bozza> Cool I see how it works
[6:37] <rikkib> down into net
[6:39] <rikkib> https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/tree/rpi-3.6.y/drivers/net/wireless/rtl8192cu
[6:40] <rikkib> So that is where you new driver goes... and there is already a driver in the raspbian kernel
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[6:44] <Bozza> Might crash for a few hours
[6:44] <Bozza> Not sure if this is the bad driver , or the one from Realtek
[6:54] <Bozza> rikkib: sorry for being such a newb. Got a very simple last question
[6:54] <rikkib> go
[6:54] <Bozza> After I compile my kernel how would I boot from it?
[6:55] <rikkib> Ahhh
[6:56] <rikkib> make install & make modules install from memory
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[6:56] <rikkib> But again there is more to it
[6:57] <rikkib> advanced users usually create a debian package
[6:57] <rikkib> and isnatll with dpkg
[6:57] <Bozza> Ahh yes, sounds very familiar
[6:58] <rikkib> I normally search for a howto
[6:58] <rikkib> I am old and my memory bank is defective
[6:58] <Bozza> Hehe I am not asking for a how to from you!
[6:58] <rikkib> Soemthing to do with a stroke I had in 2005 :)
[6:59] <Bozza> Oh, I hope you're better now
[6:59] <rikkib> Sorta
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[6:59] <Bozza> Is it your short term memory or long term?
[7:00] <rihnapstor> hello people! :)
[7:00] <rikkib> Anyhow just saying... Don't rely on my memory
[7:00] <Bozza> fair enough. We already quickly spoke about this before
[7:00] <Bozza> rihnapstor: hi
[7:01] <rikkib> I run debian on my PC's and came from the are when you had to compile
[7:01] <rikkib> era
[7:01] <Bozza> Must have been a horrible era :)
[7:01] <Bozza> But such a great thing to know how to do
[7:02] <Bozza> rikkib: am I building my own distro here, or just the kernel?
[7:02] <rikkib> I cross compile for the RPi and STM32V and I suppose MC9S08 but that is done on windows
[7:03] <rihnapstor> Bozza: is to possible to control home appliances via voice control as well as via web controll which I thinking of making it globally accesible.any ideas ?suggestions?
[7:04] <Bozza> What is the STM 32 like?
[7:04] <Bozza> Any good?
[7:04] <Bozza> rihnapstor: sure
[7:05] <Bozza> Web control that is globally accessible .. Check
[7:05] <Bozza> Apache
[7:05] <rihnapstor> Bozza: will pi barre the laod ?
[7:05] <rihnapstor> Bozza: why not nodeJS ?
[7:05] <Bozza> Voice control would be more complicated
[7:06] <rikkib> stm32 has no net but is a good controller with tft touch
[7:06] <rikkib> lots of io ports
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[7:07] <rihnapstor> Bozza: voice control will not ahve global scope
[7:07] <Bozza> Shame it hasn't got net
[7:09] <rihnapstor> Bozza: ?
[7:09] <rikkib> http://bencom.co.nz:8081 I am going to fire up a new RPi for the first time.
[7:09] <Bozza> :D
[7:09] <Bozza> D it
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[7:10] <rikkib> Here we go
[7:11] <Bozza> Hdmi Cable going in now
[7:11] <rikkib> Hmmm
[7:11] <rikkib> no sd light
[7:12] <Bozza> Are you not plugging it to a screens.
[7:12] <Bozza> screen*
[7:12] <rihnapstor> Bozza: can you give me more details of how it can be done ?
[7:12] <rikkib> DOA
[7:12] <rikkib> maybe
[7:13] <rikkib> No not DOA
[7:14] <Bozza> Time to pop in the hdmi cable
[7:14] <Bozza> rihnapstor: voice control?
[7:16] <Bozza> Can't see if the led is on .. I assume it is still of
[7:16] <rihnapstor> Bozza: yes and web control.I am concern about how can I run web server and voice server on pi?
[7:17] <Bozza> Apache
[7:17] <Bozza> Voice server I do not know about
[7:18] <Bozza> Run apache and make a web interface that will execute your program's
[7:20] <Jungle-Boogie> rihnapstor: you can run mumble on the pi
[7:21] <rikkib> Ahhh dummy... My dhcp server is not online...
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[7:30] <rikkib> The sd card a just wrote no boot... have to dd it again by the looks
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[7:31] <Bozza> Blue card is back in again
[7:31] <Bozza> Don't you keep a spare sd card lying around that always works?
[7:31] <rikkib> Yep
[7:32] <rikkib> Thats how I know the new rpi works and it is the card write... The card had an old version of Raspbian that was running a camera.
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[7:39] <rikkib> try again
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[7:41] <LigerZero> What do you guys use for gba emulator, I tried mednafen but it said couldn't find matching glx visuel? :/
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[7:42] <LigerZero> yeah mednafen with nes game does the same thing :/
[7:42] <LigerZero> visual*
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[7:45] <LigerZero> whoops accidentally closed this, did anybody answer my question?
[7:55] <destrudo> non
[7:58] <rikkib> I wonder why one of three sd cards wont boot on my new RPi when it will boot in another RPi
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[8:07] <pingo> If this MK802 had gpios and an ethernet port it would be such a rpi killer for me
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[8:11] <rockband> nott o mention more ram
[8:11] <rockband> i was thinking same once
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[8:13] <rockband> and I finally decided on rpi
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[8:24] <LigerZero> abitword is lighter than libreoffice-writer right?
[8:24] <LigerZero> abiword*
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[9:06] <LigerZero> Anybody here use retropi script?
[9:06] <maxinux> i use pimame instead
[9:07] <maxinux> i forget what the issue we found with retro were
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[9:08] <LigerZero> well I had to run it as sudo cause it complained about alsa so I did and I get a tiny cursor or pixel and nothing else...
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[9:08] <LigerZero> had to alt + print screen reisub :/
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[9:11] <LigerZero> maxinux: hmm well I want my nes emulation, gba, gb, snes, dos, and mame :/
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[9:11] <maxinux> pimame does all that
[9:11] <maxinux> besides what it doesnt - install :D
[9:11] <LigerZero> oh really?
[9:11] <maxinux> emulation software is an apt-get away
[9:12] <LigerZero> Where is this legendary program? :D
[9:16] <LigerZero> maxinux: does it work like retroarch, dl a script and it installs everything for you?
[9:16] <maxinux> apt-get ist included with raspian
[9:16] <maxinux> you simply run sudo apt-get install <app> whichever one you want
[9:16] <maxinux> thats wall the script is doing
[9:17] <LigerZero> the pimame?
[9:19] <LigerZero> brb right quick, putting the gui on then resuming tmux
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[9:22] <LigerZero> ha got my session back
[9:22] <LigerZero> alright
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[9:24] <LigerZero> man I love tmux :D
[9:26] <johnc-> woo, speech recognition component added :)
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[9:32] <DaQatz> LigerZero: Have you tried screen too?
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[9:33] <LigerZero> DaQatz: nope
[9:33] <DaQatz> Same job, cleaner look. Tough lacks some tiling features.
[9:34] <LigerZero> aah
[9:34] <DaQatz> http://www.wikivs.com/wiki/Screen_vs_tmux
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[9:37] <LigerZero> Is there a browser as nice as midori but lighter and faster?
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[9:38] <DaQatz> If you don't mind less "interface" netsurf is good
[9:38] <rikkib> Linux raspberrypi 3.6.11+ #510 PREEMPT Mon Jul 22 21:55:20 BST 2013 armv6l GNU/Linux
[9:38] <LigerZero> ah
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[9:39] <rikkib> New camera RPi is fully up to date
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[9:40] <LigerZero> gee thanks retroarch script your uninstalling almost everything :'(
[9:40] <LigerZero> when I uninstall it... >_<
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[9:41] <LigerZero> well I won't be going to bed soon...
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[9:53] <rikkib> http://bencom.co.nz:8081 I think I might mount my camera and rpi on the two sheets of anti static foam that came with the camera... I have heaps of nylon bolts.
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[9:54] <pdombi> morning guys
[9:55] <rikkib> root@raspberrypi:~# date
[9:55] <rikkib> Fri Jul 26 19:55:02 NZST 2013
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[9:56] <pdombi> -pd:~$ date
[9:56] <pdombi> Fr 26. Jul 09:55:52 CEST 2013
[9:56] <pdombi> ;)
[9:56] <ShiftPlusOne> C:\Windows\System32>date
[9:56] <ShiftPlusOne> The current date is: Fri 26/07/2013
[9:56] <ShiftPlusOne> =(
[9:56] <rikkib> haha
[9:56] <pdombi> :P
[9:57] <rikkib> I am sitting here pondering my camera module...
[9:57] <rikkib> http://bencom.co.nz:8081
[9:58] <rikkib> live stream of my desk and the toys on it
[9:58] * ShorTie see's more toys then desk
[9:58] <pdombi> cute toys you have their :)
[9:59] * ShiftPlusOne 's inner grammar Nazi cringes.
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[10:05] <yang> is there a more advanced rpisized hardware, that would give me more performance and capable running linux
[10:06] <rikkib> cubieboard
[10:06] <ShiftPlusOne> yang, sure, cubieboard, beaglebone black, odroid and so on
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[10:07] <yang> ok thanks
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[10:14] <pdombi> you know some good reseller of the cubieboard in europe?
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[10:17] <gordonDrogon> morning Pi Peeps.
[10:18] <ShiftPlusOne> 'morning
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[10:23] <ShorTie> mornin
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[12:26] <gordonDrogon> a very quiet morning today then.
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[12:27] <ztaale> yes indeed
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[12:32] <clever> gordonDrogon: i got the touch sensor working fully, but in a different direction then i was looking at first
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[12:34] <gordonDrogon> clever, ok - what was the issue?
[12:34] <clever> gordonDrogon: instead of continuing my work on a userspace driver, i discovered
[12:34] <clever> https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/blob/rpi-3.6.y/drivers/input/keyboard/mpr121_touchkey.c
[12:34] <clever> the linux kernel already has a compatible driver
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[12:35] <clever> gordonDrogon: and after digging thru the docs enough, http://privatepaste.com/a0fd28c5b3
[12:35] <clever> it now functions as an enter key
[12:35] <clever> the kernel treats it as a normal keyboard
[12:35] <gordonDrogon> well that must make life easier!
[12:35] <clever> now my problem is just size, the 'keys' are too small to touch just 1
[12:36] <clever> so its not something you can use as a keypad
[12:36] <clever> they are 0.1 inches appart
[12:36] <clever> 10 keys per inch!
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[12:50] <clever> gordonDrogon: let me see what happens if i put insulated wires on it, and touch the insulation...
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[13:01] <pingo> are there any channels on freenode about hacking the android tv mini computers?
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[13:05] <MrVector> Holy people :-) Attempting some bare metal, I can't seem to figure out why my Mailbox_Read() never returns, any chance one of you could have a peak at the code and see if I'm doing something catastrophically wrong please? http://pastebin.com/tPwZTdFS
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[13:05] <MrVector> It never gets to line 119
[13:08] <clever> MrVector: it mentions the mapped register base, how are they getting mapped to that location?
[13:08] <clever> is that handled for you, or is that something you must do?
[13:09] <clever> hmmm, is the led even coming on?
[13:09] <MrVector> I have been using the raspberry pi github as reference, it is my understand that I have to offset the addresses in that manner
[13:09] <MrVector> Yes, yes it is :-)
[13:09] <MrVector> I have been dotting calls to Success() around to see how far it gets
[13:09] <clever> and thats within the same range, so it must be mapped
[13:09] <clever> i'm out of ideas then
[13:10] <MrVector> Although, I did see now that I offset the mailbox address by mapped reg base, but I don't do this with the gpio.
[13:10] <MrVector> I'm not entirely sure how that mapping works
[13:11] <MrVector> Something tells me that it should be the same for gpio and mailbox
[13:12] <clever> have you looked at other baremetal examples that use the mailbox?
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[13:13] <MrVector> I have, in fact I think I've looked at too many, confusing myself
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[13:14] <MrVector> One of the projects I've looked at is https://github.com/brianwiddas/pi-baremetal/blob/master/mailbox.c
[13:14] <MrVector> Looking at them side-by-side I can't see where I've gone wrong though
[13:15] <clever> yours while((*gMailboxStatus & MAIL_EMPTY) != 0)
[13:15] <clever> his while (*MAILBOX0STATUS & MAILBOX_EMPTY)
[13:15] <MrVector> Expect that I don't have any flush() or memory barriers etc
[13:15] <clever> hmmm, yeah that part should be the same
[13:15] <clever> i would add the flush in
[13:15] <clever> it might be the L1/L2 cache messing you up
[13:15] <clever> the cpu knows that the cpu never changed it, and its not expecting other cores (gpu) to be touching things
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[13:16] <clever> https://github.com/brianwiddas/pi-baremetal/blob/master/barrier.h#L27
[13:16] <MrVector> Copying it into my project, I didn't do this to start with because I want to understand everything
[13:17] <MrVector> And despite googling, I haven't been able to decipher the syntax in that method :(
[13:17] <clever> also, that kind of thing is a bit heavy handed, it will likely kill performance every time you run it
[13:17] <MrVector> I did find the arm reference to be what it is
[13:17] <clever> but you cant fix that without gpu source, which is closed
[13:17] <clever> it looks to be simple assembly, though i dont know arm asm
[13:18] <MrVector> It's the %[zero] bit that trips me up mostly
[13:18] <MrVector> It seems to be a placeholder for a variable or something
[13:18] <clever> i'm guessing that just tells the assembler that it wants any register holding a 0
[13:18] <mgottschlag> yeah, it is
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[13:18] <clever> speed thing, rather then load 0 into a register every time
[13:18] <mgottschlag> the "zero" register is definded as holding a 0 later that line
[13:19] <clever> just tell the compiler, it likely knows of one with a 0 already
[13:19] <mgottschlag> the compiler will actually add code to load 0
[13:19] <clever> avr gcc keeps 0 in a register pretty much 24/7, dedicated zero register
[13:20] <MrVector> Ah, interesting, thanks
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[13:20] <MrVector> Unfortunately adding flushcache() inside the loop waiting for mail in Mailbox_Read didn't have any effect
[13:21] <clever> there is also a dmb() call missing on either side of the read
[13:21] <MrVector> Guess I'll try adding in the barrier as well
[13:21] <MrVector> Heh... Yeah, I'm trying that next.
[13:22] <clever> ok, so why is my touch sensor not working anymore, hmmmm
[13:22] <clever> too much capacitance?
[13:22] <clever> mpr_touchkey_probe calledDivision by zero in kernel.
[13:22] * clever scratches head
[13:22] <MrVector> Adding flushcache to write aswell to be consistent
[13:23] <rihnapstor> my next project,home automation using web-based controller as well as using voice control.any suggestions guys ?
[13:25] <MrVector> Again, unsuccessful :-/
[13:26] <malcom2073> rihnapstor: z-wave.
[13:26] <MrVector> Trying the very last thing I can see that's different, adding #define mem_p2v(X) (X+0x80000000) and wrapping the addresses of the mailbox in that
[13:26] <clever> MrVector: oh, another difference
[13:26] <clever> yeah, that
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[13:26] <clever> it adds that huge number to all the addresses
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[13:26] <MrVector> That number was not mentioned in the rpi github, confused as to what it means
[13:26] <clever> so all the addresses are actualy 0xa000 0000, not 0x2000 0000
[13:27] <clever> MrVector: ahhhh
[13:27] <clever> 0x2000 0000 is a physical address
[13:28] <clever> but your running with virtual memory enabled
[13:28] <clever> so the register space has been mapped to a virtual address of 0xa000 0000
[13:28] <clever> all this time, youve been writting to plain old ram, and expected it to do something special
[13:29] <MrVector> Confused as to why it worked with the gpio though?
[13:29] <clever> cant answer that one
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[13:33] <MrVector> It still did not work, so I got desperate, replaced my address declarations with MAIL_BASE + ... etc, with just the hardcoded addresses
[13:33] <MrVector> And it works!
[13:34] <MrVector> Thanks a lot for assisting me through it, clever
[13:35] <ShorTie> where does arch store the 'ip addr add ...' stuff ??
[13:35] <clever> MrVector: i think i see your problem then
[13:35] <clever> volatile unsigned int* gMailboxRead = (volatile unsigned int *)MAPPED_REGISTERS_BASE + MAIL_BASE;
[13:36] <clever> MrVector: is this adding, then casting to a pointer
[13:36] <clever> or casting to a pointer, then adding by x slots(array), each of size int?
[13:36] <MrVector> Probably the latter come to think of it...
[13:37] <clever> the source code was doing the addition in () via the define
[13:37] <biacz> hi everyone. just a simple question. for a tutorial i need to buy an 1�F capacitor for a rs232 transceiver. now when browsing my electronic shop i see different types of voltage categories. what is the right one for the RPi. or does it even matter if 50v 25v or whatever?
[13:38] <rihnapstor> I want my pi to be able to control home apliances using voice command and also using web irrespective of usr location.so AFAIK there will be speech recognition server and web server listening for events to occur.is this right? will pi base the load ?
[13:38] <rihnapstor> *bare
[13:38] <clever> biacz: it depends on what voltage your curcuit will be putting across the capacitor
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[13:41] <ShorTie> biacz, most of that stuff is 5v, so any thing above that should work fine, ie: 25v
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[13:45] <mgottschlag> rs232 is 15V, but the answer of couse doesn't change (aren't those caps usually used to9 generate higher voltages?)
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[13:48] <clever> mgottschlag: it might also be the cap used for the charge pump, to generate 15v from a lower voltage
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[13:48] <rihnapstor> I want my pi to be able to control home apliances using voice command and also using web irrespective of usr location.so AFAIK there will be speech recognition server and web server listening for events to occur.is this right? will pi base the load ?
[13:48] <rihnapstor> *bare
[13:48] <mgottschlag> hm, and in a charge pump will never be more than 5V across the cap...
[13:49] <mgottschlag> eh, no
[13:49] <clever> mgottschlag: there should be a smoothing cap at the end, to hold the full output voltage
[13:49] <mgottschlag> there would be one which is charged to the max voltage, qeah
[13:49] <mgottschlag> *y
[13:49] <mgottschlag> typing with one hand -.-
[13:50] <clever> ok, now why am i getting division by zero on my pi!
[13:50] * clever edits kernel to make it fatal!
[13:50] <clever> hmmm, that didnt work right, no symbol names in the backtrace
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[13:52] <clever> c045ebb8 t bcm2708_i2c_init
[13:52] <clever> hmmm, its within this function
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[13:52] <clever> c0220a44 T platform_driver_register
[13:53] <clever> c021fa30 T driver_register
[13:54] <clever> hmmm, ftdi time
[13:56] <rihnapstor> clever: ?
[13:56] <clever> trying to figure out why my i2c driver is crashing the system
[13:57] <biacz> thanks for the answers @ clever, ShorTie and mgottschlag
[13:58] <BCMM> rihnapstor: don't see why not
[13:59] <rihnapstor> BCMM: what you mean ?
[13:59] <BCMM> for simple voice commands, it doesn't matter if the machine is powerful enough to keep up with real-time speech recognition
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[13:59] <MrVector> Does anyone have any recommendations on where I can read up on virtual vs physical memory? I'm looking at https://github.com/brianwiddas/pi-baremetal/blob/master/memory.c but I don't fully understand why this is done, if it's essential (the whole page table thing?) etc
[13:59] <BCMM> and a web server consumes basically no resources if it's just doing some simple command for one client
[14:00] <clever> MrVector: its the key to how swap and multiple processes work
[14:00] <MrVector> I thought the whole page table thing was a concept introduced by the OS, I might've been wrong? :/
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[14:00] <clever> MrVector: the paging tables are interpreted by the cpu
[14:00] <MrVector> Aye, I got that much
[14:00] <clever> MrVector: apps always work within the virtual address space
[14:00] <clever> both userspace and kernel
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[14:00] <MrVector> What is it that does this "translation"?
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[14:00] <clever> the cpu
[14:01] <MrVector> Right
[14:01] <mgottschlag> the mmu in the cpu
[14:01] <BCMM> MrVector: physical memory is, like, your actual RAM
[14:01] <BCMM> virtual memory is what a process sees
[14:01] <clever> a segfault happens when your program tries to access something not in the page table
[14:01] <mgottschlag> MrVector: there are much better resources for paging for x86, you might want to look there and translate the concepts
[14:01] <clever> swap is like a segfault, but the kernel loads it into ram, fixes the page table, and tells it to try again
[14:01] <BCMM> a process thinks it has a contiguous chunk of memory, but parts of it may be in multiple locations in physical memory, or swapped out to disk
[14:02] <BCMM> it's an illusion the kernel maintains so programmers don't have to think about that stuff
[14:02] <MrVector> So the whole page table implementation in the link, is actually necessary to translate to/from virtual memory
[14:02] * clever looks
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[14:03] <mgottschlag> MrVector: yes
[14:03] <MrVector> Interesting, thanks a lot
[14:03] <MrVector> Been feeling really thick lately, trying to understand all of this
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[14:04] <mgottschlag> also, virtual memory is great to separate multiple processes, because you just maintain two different tables which are used at different times
[14:04] <clever> MrVector: lines 5 thru 9 explain the mapping it uses
[14:05] <mgottschlag> clever: yeah, but only parts of it, and ARM memory mapping really is more difficult than quite some other architectures
[14:05] <clever> https://github.com/brianwiddas/pi-baremetal/blob/master/initsys.c
[14:06] <clever> MrVector: ah, i think this is where the mapping for the registers is
[14:06] <mgottschlag> yes, that one is much better
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[14:08] <MrVector> Wow that's a lot of extra code to understand, thanks for the assistance
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[14:10] <biacz> anyone ever got miracast working on raspberry pi?
[14:11] <MrVector> So looking at that, I reckon this is one of the reasons my code fails: "Mailbox_Write(1, (unsigned int)&fb);"
[14:11] <MrVector> Because that writes the virtual address of my struct to the mailbox, whereas it expects the physical
[14:11] <mgottschlag> that is of course correct :)
[14:12] <mgottschlag> it probably even wants the videocore bus address which might be even different if caching is supposed to be disabled
[14:12] <mgottschlag> sec, let me have a look at how I did that
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[14:13] <MrVector> I have not done anything explicitly to enable or disable any caching, I'm using the standard config from a raspian I downloaded a few months back
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[14:14] <mgottschlag> wait, this is for your own OS, right?
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[14:15] <mgottschlag> then you should have the physical address available anyways
[14:15] <MrVector> Yes :)
[14:15] <MrVector> Those 100ish lines I posted before is all I have right now
[14:15] <MrVector> Gradually trying to add functionality, was hoping to have a pixel on screen by the end of the working day today, but I think that might not happen
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[14:16] <mgottschlag> that pastebin C file? how does your startup assembler code look?
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[14:16] <MrVector> Don't have one, I'm compiling with "arm-none-eabi-gcc -O2 -mfpu=vfp -mfloat-abi=hard -march=armv6zk -mtune=arm1176jzf-s -nostartfiles kernel.c -o kernel.elf"
[14:17] <MrVector> Reading all of this memory stuff though, it seems that's not the way to go going forward
[14:17] <mgottschlag> but then you don't have virtual memory enabled
[14:18] <mgottschlag> you might want to add 0xc0000000 to the address, but that shouldn't change anything
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[14:19] <mgottschlag> I didn't even know that the rpi can boot ELF kernels :)
[14:19] <MrVector> Oh it doesn't, after it's compiled I objcopy -O binary it to an img
[14:20] <clever> i think start.elf is the only elf file it can boot, but thats much earlyer in the bootup
[14:21] <clever> ah, thats why kgdb isnt working, i never enabled it in my custom kernel!!
[14:21] <mgottschlag> MrVector: then it is even weirder, because do you know at which state things like the stack pointers are on startup?
[14:21] <MrVector> Adding 0xc.. to it had no effect
[14:21] <mgottschlag> yeah, start.elf is run on the GPU
[14:22] <mgottschlag> if the stack pointer is bad, then calling any function will make your program crash
[14:22] <MrVector> mgottschlag, I'm only just starting out, I'm kinda learning as I'm going from reading examples and dissecting them
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[14:22] <mgottschlag> (and the stack pointer can only be set in assembly, because the C compiler assumes to "own" the stack pointer)
[14:22] <MrVector> So if you assume I know nothing, you're pretty good! :)
[14:22] <mgottschlag> well, you know what the stack is? :)
[14:22] <MrVector> Ah!
[14:23] <mgottschlag> (or "call stack" or "local variable stack" or whatever)
[14:23] <MrVector> If that's the memory location that all variables etc gets stored, then yes
[14:23] <mgottschlag> you know the difference between a local variable and a global variable?
[14:24] <MrVector> Right, I remember seeing some examples where they set up the SP and stuff
[14:24] <MrVector> mgottschlag, not on assembly level (possibly stored in different sections?)
[14:24] <mgottschlag> the global variable is stored at a fixed address in the executable, while local variables are stored at variable addresses in the stack (after all, they can exist multiple times when you have recursion)
[14:24] <clever> the function prolog will subtract the total size of all local variables from the stack pointer, creating enough space to store them
[14:24] <MrVector> Aah right! Of course
[14:24] <clever> and at the end of the function, it adds that much back to the stack pointer
[14:25] <MrVector> There'll only be exact one global var, so that makes perfect sense
[14:25] <clever> and depending on the calling convention (there are many for x86), it may add the size of its arguments as well
[14:25] <mgottschlag> MrVector: and you have to setup the stack, because the CPU doesn't know anything about your preference
[14:25] <clever> to remove the arguments passed ou
[14:25] <clever> in x86, all local variables and arguments are relative to the frame pointer
[14:26] <clever> which is set to the stack pointer before its bumped down for locals
[14:26] <mgottschlag> MrVector: also, you might have to clear the .bss section on startup (it holds all variables which are "0" and is not explicitly contained in your binary file)
[14:26] <clever> arguments are fp+x, locals are fp-x
[14:26] <clever> not sure how arm does it
[14:26] <clever> depending on compiler options, it may also push the old framepointer onto the stack first
[14:27] <clever> i think that creates a chain of frame pointers, all pointing to the previous one
[14:27] <mgottschlag> anyways, this is my assembler code which also enables the mmu and sets up caching: http://codepad.org/YWTtkaAC
[14:27] <MrVector> This one does the whole jazz with setting up stacks and various other things, https://github.com/brianwiddas/pi-baremetal/blob/master/start.s
[14:27] <clever> so you can skip over locals/arguments blindly
[14:27] <MrVector> Was hoping to find a smaller example though..
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[14:27] <mgottschlag> MrVector: heh, that is pretty short :p
[14:28] <MrVector> Well, yes, sorry. By "short" i meant "less features" I Guess
[14:28] <mgottschlag> yeah, the problem is that you have multiple execution modes...
[14:29] <mgottschlag> and you don't necessarily need those now
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[14:31] <MrVector> Is there a book or website that covers all of these topics?
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[14:31] <MrVector> Feels like I have to search every end of the internet to get my pixel on screen! :)
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[14:32] <nameless`> hi
[14:33] <clever> MrVector: or just use the examples as-is!
[14:33] <clever> but thats no fun!
[14:33] <nameless`> i copied the image file (raspbian) with dd to the SD card and then proceed to extend the partition with gparted to take the maximum space on the SD card, is that the right way to do it ?
[14:33] <clever> nameless`: yeah, that should work just fine
[14:34] <nameless`> cool :)
[14:34] <nameless`> wasn't sure about the last step, i was wondering if there was "cleaner" way to take the whole space on the SD card
[14:34] <MrVector> The thing is I want to understand it fully, clever. So that I can expend upon it :)
[14:34] <nameless`> anybody tried yunohost on raspberry already ?
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[14:35] <mgottschlag> MrVector: there are heaps of tutorials on x86 paging, for the theoretical concepts, and I think there are 1-2 examples and tutorials on osdev.com
[14:36] <mgottschlag> (tutorials on ARM I mean)
[14:37] <mgottschlag> and then you should really try to find your way through the ARM architecture reference manual (ARM, common things about the arm architecture) and the technical reference manual (TRM, specific to the core included in the pi)
[14:37] <mgottschlag> the technical reference manual contains all those register and table definitions which are important for paging and initialization
[14:39] <MrVector> I have browsed around osdev a bit, guess I'll keep going at it :)
[14:40] <MrVector> Do you have a link to the pi TRM? I tried to find it this morning but couldn't seem to locate it
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[14:41] <MrVector> brb lunch :)
[14:41] <mgottschlag> http://infocenter.arm.com/help/topic/com.arm.doc.ddi0301h/DDI0301H_arm1176jzfs_r0p7_trm.pdf
[14:42] <clever> dang, i also forgot to enable debug symbols!
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[14:56] <dougiel> just finished installing/config of new openelec xbmc and I noticed my cpu usage is in the 90 percent range and it is just sitting there on the home screen... is this normal?
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[15:10] <clever> hmmm, if i'm reading this right, the touch sensor driver wants to know the voltage level the ic runs at
[15:10] <clever> to configure it properly
[15:11] <clever> somehow, it ran without me setting it, but now it throws a division by zero error
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[15:18] <clever> hmmm, seems a length of wire on the touch sensor overloads it
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[15:24] <clever> i'll have to get a custom board done up
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[15:27] <clever> wire-wrap wire works perfectly though
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[15:29] <clever> nice, i can even embed the wire in cardboard
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[15:51] <murple> I've been trying to get a simple button to work for some time now. Today I discovered that my problem is probably related to the alternative functions of pins. I've been testing with physical pin 3 and it didn't work, physical pin 11 works just fine. How can I configure physical pin 3 to be a simple GPIO.IN pin?
[15:52] <murple> I need to be able to use a total of 17 standard GPIO pins on the raspberry pi which I think should be possible.
[15:52] <ShiftPlusOne> blacklist the i2c module, I am guessing
[15:53] <ShiftPlusOne> lsmod to check the name
[15:53] <murple> ShiftPlusOne: I think I'm using i2c on physical pin 7 to read a digital temperature sensor.
[15:53] <murple> a dallas 1-wire thing, DSB18.....
[15:53] <ShiftPlusOne> according to the wiki, you're not. =/
[15:54] <ShiftPlusOne> but yeah, idn then
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[15:54] <murple> ShiftPlusOne: idn? I don't know?
[15:54] <ShiftPlusOne> indeed
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[15:55] <murple> dmtirc
[15:55] <murple> DaMnit This Is Really Confusing
[15:57] <murple> Even though physical pin 3 is set to be an input pin, it's giving off 2.8V.
[15:57] <murple> Which is why it's always being read as high in my code.
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[16:27] <clever> ShiftPlusOne: yeah, the i2c can only work on physical pins 3 and 5, 7 is for one-wire, not i2c
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[16:32] <clever> test one worked, i now have a cardboard box with cap-touch keys drawn on the top!
[16:32] <clever> test 2, configure more elements
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[16:33] <IT_Sean> cardboard? really?
[16:33] <IT_Sean> :p
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[16:33] <IT_Sean> is this a prototype? or are you planning on actually building something out of cardboard?
[16:34] <clever> IT_Sean: the box is a decent size and its easy to work with
[16:34] <clever> i cut the back layer off, and threaded wire-wrap wire thru the coregations behind each button
[16:34] <IT_Sean> Just be sure to put your power supply components in a plastic or metal box, then.
[16:34] <clever> the mpr121 can detect things thru the cardboard
[16:34] <IT_Sean> wouldn't want a fire hazard
[16:35] <clever> the pi is already in its own case
[16:35] <clever> and currently, the powersupply is outside, a whole desktop
[16:35] <IT_Sean> Ahh, i see.
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[16:35] <clever> but i plan to use a lipo and portable tv later
[16:35] <clever> the tv also fits in the box
[16:36] <IT_Sean> do be careful with that lipo.
[16:36] <IT_Sean> they do have a tendency to go bang if you mishandle them
[16:36] <clever> its got its own protection board
[16:36] <IT_Sean> okay.
[16:36] <clever> ive already verified that the cutoff voltage is 2.9 volts
[16:36] <clever> the boost converted is configured for 2.6, so that never kicks in
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[16:36] <clever> http://gallery.earthtools.ca/index.py/lipo/vcell_zoom.png
[16:37] <clever> IT_Sean: the discharge graph, with a pi idling
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[16:37] <clever> datasheets for the protection board perfectly explain why it just went dead at 2.90
[16:38] <clever> unsigned short keymap[] = { KEY_0,KEY_1,KEY_2,KEY_3,KEY_4,KEY_5,KEY_6,KEY_7,KEY_8 };
[16:38] <clever> ok, the touch input is configured to act as a number pad, just to test and map out the elements
[16:39] <clever> crao, only one works
[16:40] <clever> hmmm, doesnt work even when i touch the pin directly
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[16:44] <MrVector> Bah okey my brain is all mushy now, spent the last two hours reading manuals and various implementations.
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[16:44] <MrVector> As far as I can tell, the MMU is disabled by default, so all addresses are physical. Correct?
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[16:45] <clever> that depends heavily on both the cpu, and what the bootloader (start.elf&friends) did
[16:46] <clever> i'm guessing it will start up in psysical mode, since the bootloader doesnt know what linux plans to do
[16:46] <MrVector> Well the biggest indicator I've seen that validates my suspicion is that some exampels I've seen explicitly turns it on
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[16:47] <MrVector> For example: https://github.com/brianwiddas/pi-baremetal/blob/master/initsys.c 172-178
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[16:49] <pingo> What is actually meant with the term "sd corruption" ?
[16:49] <pingo> Is it a fs corruption or actual sd getting corrupted and thus needs to be thrown away?
[16:50] <IT_Sean> it means the files on the card are shagged. The card will need to be reimaged.
[16:50] <IT_Sean> it's file system corruption.
[16:50] <clever> pingo: the fs or the files within it
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[16:53] <pingo> aha
[16:54] <pingo> Because I have a friend with a rpi
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[16:54] <pingo> And we did a full read/write test of a new sd card
[16:54] <pingo> and was working fine
[16:54] <pingo> then put it in a rpi
[16:54] <pingo> after a day
[16:54] <pingo> the card has errors
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[16:54] <pingo> even if reformatted
[16:55] <pingo> So I guess some hardware level damage ccured?
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[16:58] <clever> pingo: it could be that you didnt fix what originaly caused the damage
[16:58] <clever> and it just did it again
[16:58] <pingo> no I test the card on my laptop
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[17:37] <clever> IT_Sean: dang!
[17:37] <clever> IT_Sean: the reading bug even applies to the kernel driver
[17:37] <clever> until i fix that driver to read a full word, i'm stuck to 8 keys
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[17:38] <clever> does explain why the other 7 dont work though
[17:38] <clever> doesnt*
[17:38] <IT_Sean> clever: why do you keep addressing all your comments to me?
[17:38] <clever> nobody else to talk to :P
[17:39] <IT_Sean> you do not need to prepend all your comments with my username. It causes my client to alert me that someone is speaking to me specifically.
[17:39] <IT_Sean> :p
[17:39] <clever> same!
[17:39] <IT_Sean> I have no intelligent comment to offer on your kernel driver issues
[17:39] <clever> ok
[17:40] <clever> aha!, figured out the problem with the other 7 keys
[17:40] <clever> it doesnt stop the touch sensor upon reboot
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[17:40] <clever> and you cant reconfigure it while its running
[17:40] <clever> cutting power lets the keys come to life
[17:41] <clever> i can now type 0 thru 7 just by tapping on the cardboard!
[17:41] <clever> now to map the right keys
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[17:49] <clever> yep, works fully, even showkey can see it
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[17:51] <\\Mr_C\\> my sister, nieces and nephew will be here today from colorado and missouri. its been almost 6 years since ive seen anyone from my family
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[17:53] <fr3akstar> Hi all, have run into a problem with a wireless keyboard (Microsoft Wireless Desktop 3000) which (as stated on the hardware compatibility list) has the sticky keys probelm. I thought things would be fixed by getting a powered USB hub and (wanting to be future proof) got a HooToo USB 3.0 powered hub which would seem more than adequate for my needs. It powers the Pi no problem + a HD + WiFi dongle but the when the dongle from the 3000 i
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[17:55] <fr3akstar> alternatively is there some way to set up Raspian with a wifi password setup and VNC server enabled automatically so that I can just go headless and forget all this stuffing around?
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[17:56] <fr3akstar> or rather, not headless but inputless
[17:57] <IT_Sean> well, SSH is on by default, so, you can SSH in and set things up that way
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[18:00] <fr3akstar> and any thoughts on the hub problem?
[18:00] <fr3akstar> seems a bit bizarre
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[18:01] <fr3akstar> Why would it have no problem being powered when plugged into a different PC but depowers when plugged into the Pi?
[18:01] <fr3akstar> what is telling it to do that?
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[18:06] <hydroxygen> is the power source supplying enough current ?
[18:07] <ShorTie> is it an extern powered hub, or trying to pull the power from the rPi ??
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[18:10] <fr3akstar> external powered hub
[18:10] <fr3akstar> delivering 2A per port apparently
[18:10] <fr3akstar> so, more than enough
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[18:12] <fr3akstar> this happens regardless of whether the KM dongle is plugged in by itself or otherwise and again, it only happens when connected to the Pi, when connected to another PC it has no problem and all devices have enough power and function as intended
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[18:13] <fr3akstar> AND the KM dongle works but with the sticky key problem when plugged into one of the Pi's ports directly
[18:13] <fr3akstar> so it isn't that the Pi is not recognising it as a valid device
[18:14] <fr3akstar> it's bizarre
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[18:16] <clever> fr3akstar: the keys stick because its loosing the key up event at some point
[18:16] <clever> and it thinks your holding it still
[18:16] <clever> it obviously knows its a keyboard
[18:18] <fr3akstar> yes, which appears to be a power issue from the dongle needing more than 100mA (or at least that is my understanding of the issue, the same keyboard and mouse work just fine in Debian) in which case the powered hub should solve that problem
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[18:18] <clever> it might be related to the packet loss issues on the usb bus
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[18:19] <fr3akstar> possibly, but does seem that the Pi is telling the hub to depower the device OR the dongle itself is disabling itself
[18:20] <fr3akstar> but i lean towards something the Pi is doing as the hub+peripheral combination works fine on my PC
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[18:25] <clever> fr3akstar: dont forget that the pi has a hub built into it
[18:26] <fr3akstar> and the implication of that is...?
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[18:29] <clever> fr3akstar: even if you think youve taken all the hubs out, there is still a hub left
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[18:30] <fr3akstar> ?
[18:30] <clever> dont know what effect that may have
[18:30] <clever> i still think its the packet loss issues with the usb interface
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[18:32] <fr3akstar> Ok, so, if it is, is there something I can do about it or am I off to facebook to beg for a wired keyboard and mouse ;)
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[18:33] <clever> yeah, id just get keyboard that is marked as working
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[18:33] <Encrypt> fr3akstar, You can try to SSH into it to test whether the keyboard and mouse plugged have an impact
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[18:36] <fr3akstar> Part if that problem is that I can't type in my wifi password to get it onto the network!
[18:37] <clever> fr3akstar: what about ethernet?
[18:37] <fr3akstar> Perhaps I'll just dump a text file in with the passsword and copy and paste :)
[18:39] <fr3akstar> YEah, ethernet would be great if I had a cable... to be honest this is all so my gf doesn't complain about the HDMI cable running across the floor from my PC to the TV, enter the Pi with all it's attendent hardware issues :)
[18:40] <fr3akstar> ah well, someone has answered back with a wired keyboard and mouse so off I go, thanks for the help anyway, I'll save the modprobing for another day ;)
[18:40] <clever> mine is currently in a cardboard box with 8 cap-touch buttons
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[18:40] <clever> completely invisible buttons!
[18:40] <clever> had to draw them on the top :P
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[18:45] <hydroxygen> stealthy
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[18:47] <clever> hydroxygen: it was simple to make, just half way thry the cardboard from the back, and weave the wires thru the coregations in the board
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[18:48] <clever> the full thickness of the board is too much, so the loose wires within are safe from false hits
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[18:49] <hydroxygen> sounds like u are cheating the keybrd manufacturers
[18:49] <clever> its limited to 8 keys due to a bug
[18:49] <clever> 12 max by hardware design
[18:49] <clever> 36 if i used a full matrix and rewrote the driver to support that
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[18:52] <faLUCE> hello. I just attached an usb hard disk to raspberry. I can see its content, but I can't write into it. If I attach it to another pc with ubuntu, I can write into it
[18:52] <faLUCE> what can I do?
[18:52] <clever> faLUCE: what filesystem is it formated with?
[18:53] <clever> and did you try using root?
[18:53] <faLUCE> clever: how can I check? it is detected as "windows stuff"
[18:54] <faLUCE> even if I act as root, it says "read only fs"
[18:54] <clever> faLUCE: run 'mount' and it should say what filesystem it is
[18:55] <faLUCE> clever: ntfs
[18:56] <clever> that explains it, need the ntfs driver that supports rw, and last i looked, it wasnt stable
[18:56] <clever> might corrupt the disk
[18:56] <BCMM> i want to make an absolutely minimal distro (for near-instant boot, playing internet radio). ideally, i'd like to fit the whole system in an initramfs. any ideas for where i should start?
[18:56] <clever> hydroxygen: http://gallery.earthtools.ca/index.py/pi/captouch
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[18:56] <BCMM> as far as i can tell, debootstrap gives you something in the hundreds of MB, which seems overkill
[18:58] <faLUCE> clever: then, should I format the disk?
[19:01] <clever> faLUCE: yeah, preferably, it should be fat32 if you want to access it from both windows and linux
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[19:04] <faLUCE> clever: thanks
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[19:13] <faLUCE> now: I can see my wi-fi adapter with lsusb, but it doesn't appear anymore in wpa-gui.... what can I do?
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[19:21] <BCMM> faLUCE: seeing it with lsusb just means it's physically connected. it doesn't mean there is a driver for it
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[19:30] <faLUCE> BCMM: solved, nm
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[20:42] <Batolemaeus> G'Day
[20:43] <IT_Sean> 'ello
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[20:44] <Batolemaeus> hm, /list isn't bringing any specialized channels for the kind of stuff i'm currently struggling with..so
[20:44] <Batolemaeus> can one of you point me to a dmesg output of a raspberry pi model b with camera module running properly? :)
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[20:46] <ShorTie> what does dmesg say about yours ??
[20:48] <Batolemaeus> i'm drowning in noise in dmesg. My problem is that i'm trying to learn and i'm currently running gentoo with a self-compiled kernel and have run out of sdhc cards to quickly boot raspian and check
[20:48] <Batolemaeus> i have no idea whether the camera is properly detected at all
[20:50] <hifi> you're running gentoo on pi? wow
[20:50] <Batolemaeus> http://pastebin.com/76p4xNEX current dmesg
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[20:53] <Batolemaeus> and yes, gentoo. It's hardly a production system, and I find I learn much faster by getting my hands dirty
[20:54] <Batolemaeus> like, really dirty
[20:54] <hifi> and I thought it was too darn painful on 1.7GHz CPU back in the day
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[20:54] <Batolemaeus> i am of course cross compiling. I may be a mad man, but i'm not that insane :P
[20:54] <ShorTie> you just gotta emerge before you goto bed is all
[20:56] <poli> Hello my good people of #raspberrypi!
[20:56] <hifi> hello
[20:56] <Batolemaeus> still, i'm finding precious little documentation about what kernel modules i need to compile for camera support :|
[20:57] <Davor> hi, I'm a newbie looking to utilise the RPi's GPIO pins and am reading some stuff about LEDs and switches on elinux. I can understand this diagram http://elinux.org/File:EGHS-LED_output1.jpg , but I'm confused by Vcc over here http://elinux.org/File:EGHS-PullUpDownSwitch.jpg . GPIO pin 1 is 3.3V, but what is connected to the resistor, and what to gnd on that diagram?
[20:59] <poli> Davor: The Pi has pull ups on every pin. You can enable or disable them in software.
[21:00] <poli> Davor: Actually pull ups and pull downs.
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[21:02] <poli> Davor: The diagram you said to be confused with is showing how a pull up (upper) and a pull down (lower) circuits can be implemented.
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[21:03] <poli> Davor: Using the Pi you will only probably want to implement those circuits externally if you need some precise resistor value for pull up or pull down. When using Dallas 1-wire protocol, for example, you need to make a external pull up, because it needs a 4.7k resistor.
[21:04] <poli> Davor: The internal pull ups/downs of the Pi are approximatly 50k.
[21:05] <mcargile> So I am in the process of building a 24 node RPi cluster. I bought a 5V 40A powersupply that I am going to power them with. I plan on using 1.5ft USB cables to do so. I plan to chop the fat end off the cables and wire them into a power distribution block. My only question is should I bother connecting the USB cables shielding to ground? Its not like any data is going through them that could get corrupted.
[21:06] <hifi> the actual question is, why not?
[21:06] <mcargile> more complex circuit I guess.
[21:07] <mcargile> but yeah its one of those why not questions
[21:08] <Davor> poli, uhh, I do apologise, I'm a little confused as I only have elementary knowledge so a lot of this (Dallas 1-wire protocol) isn't making much sense. I'm reading up on it at the moment, but the part I'm confused with is what that diagram would look like in practice. for instance, the pull down diagram, would it simply look like this: 3.3V -> switch -> forking one wire to gpio pin, other to a 10k res
[21:08] <Davor> istor which is connected to gnd?
[21:08] <hifi> unrelated question: what are you going to do with the cluster and what OS are you planning to run on them?
[21:09] <poli> Davor: that is correct. It gets easier to understand if you think of potential and electron paths, I think.
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[21:10] <poli> Davor: If you put a pin in INPUT mode and don't pass it a GND or 3v3 signal, that pin is said to be "floating"
[21:10] <mcargile> Need to test networking equipment. Basically we deal with high availability systems. Brand new switches out of the box still can fail. My boss wants a way to load up a switch for a few weeks to do a burn in.
[21:10] <poli> Davor: which means that reading it might return a 0 or a 1, you cannot really tell.
[21:10] <mcargile> already did a proof of concept with 8 RPi and it did a pretty good job
[21:11] <hifi> mcargile: if you're not using a completely custom OS, may I suggest raspbian-ua-netinst that does a minimal raspbian base install unattended without a head?
[21:11] <hifi> it's a neat way to bootstrap your pis
[21:11] <poli> Davor: and it will usually alternate randomly. So you cannot really use a floating pin for processing something, because you never know in what state it will be.
[21:11] <Davor> poli, ahh, yeah that makes sense. if I connect the pin as shown in that diagram, it would give a 0, unless the button's pressed, in which case it would give a 1?
[21:11] <mcargile> as for OS... doesnt really matter. Right now I am just using stock Raspbian
[21:11] <hifi> though it sounds like you already have everything set up
[21:11] <Davor> the pulldown diagram that is
[21:11] <poli> Davor: to solve that you "pull" the pin to GND (pull down) or VCC (pull up), so it will always read the same if no signal is applied to it.
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[21:12] <mcargile> the scripts the RPis run is retardedly simply. They are just downloading a file from an FTP server over and over again.
[21:12] <poli> Davor: the "pull" is a large sized resistor so that any other signal that you apply to the pin will set the value of the pin to that input, not to the pull.
[21:12] <poli> Davor: You are correct.
[21:12] <hifi> mcargile: right, and big SD cards are cheap
[21:12] <Davor> ah, so it needs to either be connected to 3.3V with a switch that would "pipe" the 3.3V off to ground, which is a pullup, or grounded with a switch that would apply a 3.3V to it, which would be a pulldown?
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[21:13] <hifi> no, I wasn't sarcastic :)
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[21:13] <mcargile> hifi: no need. I just got 4G bulk SD cards and am writing the downloaded files to /dev/null
[21:13] <mcargile> much faster than a class 4 SD card
[21:14] <poli> Davor: correct. Note that it needs to be a big resistor, though, not to ofuscate the signal if it comes.
[21:14] <hifi> mcargile: the only reason I could think that if you have a minimal install upgrading is faster
[21:14] <mcargile> true
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[21:15] <poli> Davor: If you have a signal that will be a 0 or a 1, you don't need to pull. But if you have a switch, that is, for example, 1 or open, you need to fix the open part with a pull down, so when open it will read 0.
[21:15] <hifi> mcargile: oh, and with clever scripting you could auto-install a pi by using their mac as ids
[21:15] <mcargile> the hardest part of this project is building the enclosure and figuring out the power distribution.
[21:16] <Davor> aha, that makes a lot of sense now actually. thanks poli, I'm pretty sure I get it now :)
[21:16] <IT_Sean> why are you putting that many pi on a single power supply?
[21:16] <poli> Davor: The Pi has what it is calle internal pull up and pull downs on every port.
[21:16] <poli> Davor: So you don't need to implement this external circuit most of the times, you just bring in the pull up or the pull down in software.
[21:16] <mcargile> I am just dd-ing an image onto the SD cards and having them come up via DHCP.
[21:17] <hifi> ok, I give up, sorry to bother you ;)
[21:17] <poli> Davor: Except if you need some particular value for the pull up/down resistor, because the one in the Pi is approx. 50k.
[21:17] <Davor> hm, how does that work? do I then just define the pull as up or down, and, for instance, if it's up, I ground that pin poli?
[21:17] <mcargile> no bother... its a fun project and I enjoy talking about it
[21:17] <poli> Davor: so if you need a 4.7k ou 10k pull up, you will have to turn off the pi's internal pull up/down and implement it externally as in that diagram.
[21:17] <Davor> poli: and put in a switch between the pin and ground
[21:17] <hifi> I'm just trying to push my installer to people who run specialized pis
[21:17] <mcargile> ahhh
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[21:18] <hifi> it makes me a sad panda when people dd a 2GB desktop image for embedded setups
[21:18] <poli> Davor: If you turn on the internal pull up the port will read 1 when no external signal is applied, just as if you had the circuit in that first diagram.
[21:19] <hifi> but initial setup time is of course a lot less if you just dd an image
[21:19] <poli> Davor: So with the internal pull up enabled, you can just connext GND -> Switch -> GPIO Port and you will read 1 if button is unpressed and 0 otherwise.
[21:19] <mcargile> Agreed. It does seem bloated, but very little is running by default, and I have an intern to handle the DDing part ;-)
[21:19] <Davor> oh, that's pretty neat!
[21:19] <poli> Davor: saves a lot of external circuit ;)
[21:19] <Davor> far simpler than I thought it would be poli, and far simpler than what all those pages out there make it out to be :p
[21:19] <Davor> indeed haha
[21:20] <hifi> mcargile: though, would be interested to see some photos of the final setup
[21:20] <mcargile> Oh I will be posting a full write up about it
[21:20] <Davor> one more question, there are two 3.3V pins, and 5 gnd pins. does it matter which one I use?
[21:20] <hifi> cool, I'll look forward to it
[21:20] <hifi> also if you ever need a slim install, give me a call
[21:21] <poli> Davor: use Gordon's wiringPi's gpio command line utility to set the port mode, turn on the pull ups etc.
[21:21] <poli> Davor: best tool for GPIO programming.
[21:21] <mcargile> I have read a number of articles on PI clusters and most of them seem to be lacking on the power distribution side.
[21:21] <poli> Davor: https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/wiringpi/
[21:21] <mcargile> Something I plan to focus on
[21:21] <IT_Sean> mcargile: do you have the capability to remotely powercycle one specific raspi?
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[21:23] <poli> Davor: https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/wiringpi/
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[21:24] <Davor> whoops, disconnect. thanks poli, I'll definitely take a look. it sounds pretty cool, I originally thought about just writing a python script
[21:24] <Davor> also, poli, nothing will happen if I, let's say, connect 3.3v to a gpio pin just like that?
[21:24] <Davor> no need for resistors, safeties etc?
[21:24] <mcargile> The script I am writing uses wget to download the main file (100megs) to /dev/null. Once that file is done downloading it tries and download a file called 'pi_cmd_IPADDRESS'. If that fails it redoes the loop. If it succeeds it executes the commands in that file. So yes I could reboot each one individually or I could tell each one to upgrade. There is a bit of lag, but I dont really care about that.
[21:25] <IT_Sean> So long as that pin is a gazinta, you will be okay.
[21:25] <poli> Davor: As long as your pin is set to INPUT, no.
[21:25] <poli> Davor: otherwise you might short it.
[21:25] <Davor> to be honest, given that this is my first project of the sorts, I'm pretty scared about bricking the poor thing
[21:25] <IT_Sean> if the pin is a comzouta, it'll go BANG
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[21:25] <IT_Sean> also. do NOT connect 5v to any GPIO pin. That too would be A Bad Thing To Do.
[21:25] <Davor> ah, and as all of them iirc are set to input by default, I don't have to worry about doing that accidentally?
[21:25] <poli> Davor: If you are going to experiment with it, you might want to set a buffer to protect the pin.
[21:26] <poli> Davor: Or just go with a I/O board such as the Gertboard
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[21:26] <Davor> IT_Sean, nah, I'll just use 3.3V
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[21:26] <Davor> I just plan on having 4 buttons and an LED poli
[21:27] <poli> Davor: there are no buffers or protection circuit on the pins. If you don't overvoltage and don't short it (only OUTPUT pins may short)
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[21:27] <poli> Davor: you should be fine.
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[21:28] <poli> Davor: Gertboard and other projects will protect the pins with buffers, etc. So if you are going to mess around with them a lot, no matter how many of them, might be a good idea to use protection.
[21:28] <Davor> how much volts are they designed to take in? 3.3?
[21:28] <poli> Davor: GND to 3.3. Not less than GND not more than 3.3
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[21:29] <poli> Davor: so no under/overvoltage
[21:29] <IT_Sean> bingo
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[21:29] <Davor> indeed, I'll definitely look into it, but I'm a little broke atm, and given how simple my project is (bind a button press to a shell command, and a simple if music is playing, turn led on, else off), I think I'll manage to not mess up :p
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[21:30] <Davor> hm, how would I undervolt it?
[21:30] <poli> Davor: voltage lower than GND.
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[21:30] <poli> Davor: Not really available from the Pi itself, but might be if you connect external stuff.
[21:31] <Davor> ah, makes sense. GND isn't a perfect 0V, right?
[21:31] <IT_Sean> exactly
[21:31] <jerd> Hi, just ordered a pi and I have a question regarding the SD-card. I searched for an answer but couldn't find it. The writing to flashmemory is limited, is it possible to move main dir like home to an USB drive?
[21:31] <IT_Sean> two entirely seperate GND planes on two devices may not be at 0v in respect to one another
[21:31] <IT_Sean> jerd: you can do this
[21:31] <Davor> ah, thanks. that makes sense then
[21:31] <IT_Sean> But you will still need /boot on the SD
[21:32] <jerd> Can you point out a source for instructions IT_Sean?
[21:32] <IT_Sean> I cannot, as i do not have a link handy, but, i am sure there are instructions in the forums.
[21:32] <poli> Davor: GND is the 0V definition. But as Sean said, you can have to different definitions. :)
[21:32] <IT_Sean> sorry.
[21:32] <jerd> Alright, thanks IT_Sean :)
[21:32] <poli> Davor: 2 different grounds
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[21:33] <poli> Davor: Or something that generates negative voltages explicitly (RS-232 for example, is -12V, +12V).
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[21:34] <poli> Davor: So if you want to turn your serial TTL into a RS232 (using a MAX233 for example), negative voltages will flow somewhere. ;)
[21:34] <Davor> ahh hehe
[21:34] <Davor> thanks
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[21:35] <poli> Davor: you're welcome. Good luck and welcome to the GPIO users team. ;)
[21:36] <Davor> hehehe thanks, I hope to move on to more advanced stuff soon, this is really fun :)
[21:36] <Davor> gotta tackle the basics first though hehe
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[21:45] <Davor> one more question regarding LEDs, basically, I just need a GPIO output pin -> LED -> resistor -> GND? and regarding the resistor value, for a green LED, for example, I just need to divide 1.1V (3.3V, power source, minus 2.2V, green LED voltage drop) by 0.02A (20 mA), which I believe is standard LED current, which comes out to 55 ohms?
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[21:47] <ShorTie> try a 330 ohm
[21:47] <Batolemaeus> i am seriously pondering whether a little cursing might alleviate my current problems with the camera module
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[21:49] <Davor> why 330 ohms ShorTie ? not trying to be aggressive or challenging, just curious. can't try anything out at the moment as I don't have any LEDs/resistors/buttons, hell, not even a breadboard! going out to get the ribbon cable, connectors, everything tomorrow morning
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[21:51] <Davor> also I want to know why so I can figure out what values to use with different LEDs and how the entire resistor value scheme (when paired with an LED) works
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[21:52] <plugwash> The trouble is noone really knows how much current the Pis GPIO pins can safely deliver, 20ma seems a worryingly large ammount to pull out of a pin with unknown characteristics and you don't need anything like that much current through a LED in most cases
[21:53] <Davor> ah
[21:53] <Davor> so I can usually just use 330 ohms with a single LED?
[21:54] <Davor> color doesn't matter and stuff?
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[21:54] <FerkSwe> clever, IT_Sean I got the thing working! :D Pics in a sec
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[21:54] <poli> Davor: You only really need precise resitor calculation if you want power LEDs.
[21:55] <Davor> poli, those are the ones that glow really, really bright right?
[21:55] <poli> Davor: the ones you want to use to light stuff, traffic lights, illumination etc.
[21:55] <Davor> in all other cases, with regular LEDs, I should just use gpio output pin -> LED -> 330ohms -> GND?
[21:55] <Davor> ahh
[21:56] <poli> Davor: If you only want a "status" LED, you should be fine with 330R.
[21:56] <Davor> yep that's what I'm going for
[21:56] <poli> Davor: yes, that would do.
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[21:59] <poli> Davor: if you want something more sofisticated, you can go with on of those PWM LED controllers... ;)
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[22:02] <Davor> haha nah I think I'll stick to this for now :p
[22:02] <Davor> *with
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[22:04] <FerkSwe> Got DC'd.
[22:04] <Davor> also, can I use all those pins with various alternative functions as regular pins?
[22:04] <FerkSwe> Internet is terrible. But the pictures are uploading
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[22:05] <Davor> I assume it'd be better if I would disconnect everything when booting the thing though so I don't trip UART or something
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[22:07] <Davor> also, regarding the fact that there are two 3.3V and five GND pins, why are there so many? two are handy, one for each side of the breadboard, but is there a reason why there are five GNDs? can't I just fork one to however many lines I need?
[22:07] <gordonDrogon> I did some testing of the Pi's GPIO way back..
[22:07] <gordonDrogon> it's probably best I don't publish the results though ;-)
[22:08] <gordonDrogon> although I didn't damage any pins in the process - I think I got lucky....
[22:08] <steve_rox> heh
[22:08] <Davor> hehe
[22:08] <gordonDrogon> however I can reboot a Pi with 2 gpio commands...
[22:08] <Davor> poli was just recommending your WiringPi tool a short while ago, seems great!
[22:08] <gordonDrogon> Davor, thanks!
[22:08] <Davor> I hope to put it to use tomorrow :)
[22:09] <gordonDrogon> back inna bit. slave to my cooker tonight..
[22:09] <steve_rox> make the rpi cook
[22:11] <Davor> haha
[22:11] <steve_rox> :-P
[22:11] <IT_Sean> the raspi would not taste good.
[22:12] <steve_rox> but it may make good food , like that microwave with a rpi in it hack
[22:12] <poli> Davor: I don't really know. I suppose you can use the alternates as regular IOs: http://pastie.org/8178903
[22:12] <poli> Davor: this is the output of a "gpio readall", check the "mode" column.
[22:13] <Davor> ah, best use those marked "IN" right?
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[22:13] <Davor> what do those low/high values mean?
[22:13] <Davor> what's the difference?
[22:14] <Davor> what's the difference between GPIO7 and GPIO0 for instance?
[22:14] <poli> Davor: you can set the modes. Means that some of them are 1 and others are 0, I am currently using that box in to read some sensors. ;)
[22:14] <Davor> ahh those are your settings :D
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[22:14] <Davor> current values that is
[22:14] <Davor> thought that was something predefined lol
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[22:15] <surg66> hey all, i was wondering if somebody could point me in the right direction to debug an issue i'm having regarding ports and motion in raspbian
[22:16] <poli> Davor: when you boot, there are not OUTs, only INs and ALTs.
[22:16] <poli> Davor: Then you need to set your modes and pull ups/downs.
[22:16] <Davor> that's good to know, means I can't short anything :p
[22:16] <Davor> best be careful
[22:16] <Davor> gotcha
[22:17] <Davor> one last question, can I just stick this sucker in a breadboard, is the format right? http://thepihut.com/products/gpio-shrouded-box-header-for-the-raspberry-pi
[22:17] <Davor> or do I need to wire it to a breadboard?
[22:17] <poli> Davor: No.
[22:17] <poli> Davor: they will not fit
[22:18] <poli> Davor: you need a specific adaptor for that, let me find one.
[22:18] <plugwash> No, you can't really stick that in a breadboard, the trouble is breadboards assume that there is a gap between the two sides of a dual row device
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[22:18] <Davor> ah, that cobbler stuff poli?
[22:18] <FerkSwe> clever http://imgur.com/a/FAhBx
[22:18] <Davor> plugwash, yeah that's what I had in mind
[22:18] <Davor> thanks
[22:19] <poli> Davor: yes
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[22:20] <Davor> problem is I can't wait until that gets here :P I live in Croatia to make matters worse, so shipping is like 12 bucks on that 8 dollar cobbler
[22:20] <FerkSwe> clever Gotta run again. I hope ya get the picture. Thanks for your help!
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[22:20] <Davor> so 60% of the cost is shipping basically, a bit annoying
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[22:21] <Davor> that's when ordering from Ada
[22:21] <Davor> any decent shops that sell those things within the EU?
[22:21] <Davor> shipping should be better as Croatia just entered the EU this month
[22:22] <Davor> *shipping costs
[22:22] <Davor> only one I know is that UK The Pi Hut
[22:22] <Gadget-Mac> Davor: http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/adafruit-pi-tcobbler-breakout-kit-for-raspberry-pi-p-1164.html
[22:24] <Davor> damn, 8 pounds shipping over there :(
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[22:24] <Davor> *fuddlesticks
[22:24] <Davor> I'm sorry, I forgot about the rule for a bit, slip of tongue :(
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[22:24] <Davor> slip of finger?
[22:25] <Gadget-Mac> Shipping outside of a country is never cheap
[22:26] <Davor> that's true. The Pi Hut seems to ship a different breakout board for just 1 GBP though
[22:27] <Davor> that one's no good for me as it's meant to come on top of the Pi
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[22:32] <poli> Davor: ebay also has some, if you live way out of the "main track" might be a good place to buy components.
[22:32] <poli> like I do
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[22:34] <Davor> oh hey completely forgot about that. just found a Cobbler+ribbon cable for just 5.50 GBP, including shipping
[22:34] <Davor> thanks man!
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[22:36] <Davor> wondering whether I should just get a female ribbon plug and solder some wires to it and connect that to the breadboard instead haha
[22:37] <Davor> I dislike the fact that this cobbler takes up 3 rows on each side
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[22:41] <hht> hello, whats the difference in raspberry pi made by Sony ?
[22:41] <hht> the newest one
[22:41] <poli> Davor: you can always trim it a bit ;)
[22:41] <Encrypt> hhehw, It is made in the UK
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[22:42] <Encrypt> hht, *
[22:42] <Encrypt> hhehw, Sorry
[22:42] <hht> yes in sony fabric in uk
[22:42] <hht> whats the difference
[22:42] <Encrypt> hht, Apart this point, I think there is no much difference
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[22:42] <poli> it's a sony!
[22:42] <poli> ;)
[22:43] <Encrypt> Maybe the way they "organized" the GPIO pins (there is a difference between V1 and v2 I think)
[22:43] <hht> hm ok, is there planned version c of raspberry pi?
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[22:47] <IT_Sean> hht: Not at this time.
[22:47] <IT_Sean> there are no plans for an additional Raspberry Pi model, beyond the Model A and Model B, currently.
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[22:48] <hht> have you tested xbmc on raspberry pi, how good it works with 1080p movies ?
[22:49] <Davor> that's true poli
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[22:51] <IT_Sean> hht: which XBMC distro?
[22:52] <IT_Sean> I tested OpenELEC, and it worked well with 1080p video.
[22:52] <hht> IT_Sean the newest one
[22:52] <hht> frodo?
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[22:52] <poli> yes, Sam
[22:52] <IT_Sean> Not version... Distribution... there are several OS choices for xbmc. As i said, i tested OpenELEC, and it worked well.
[22:53] <CeilingKitten> hht rpi has always been frodo
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[22:53] <hht> i have a question, are there any tutorials to build "intelligent house" based on raspberry pi?
[22:54] <IT_Sean> I think you are going to end up doing a lot of rolling your own solutions if you want to go down the home automation path, hht
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[22:55] <Davor> IT_Sean, why not ARMv7? big cost difference or is there another reason?
[22:55] <CeilingKitten> hht, there is plenty of attempts on youtube, and a few tutorials of things around on blogs, there was someone porting a software meant for home autiomation, you can also buy zwave gpio boards and xbee usb dongles for rpi,
[22:55] <poli> hht: there is a lot of material, and even a home alarm project to download, but nothing that precise or complete.
[22:55] <IT_Sean> Davor: The ARMv6 architecture choice was based on cost and availability.
[22:56] <Davor> ah, okay, thanks
[22:56] <CeilingKitten> ^ or lack of availability am i right RS customers?
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[22:56] <hht> hm what is zwave gpio boards for? and xbee usb dongle ?
[22:56] <Davor> haha, actually I got my RPi within a day of making payment
[22:56] <Davor> and I live in Croatia!
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[22:57] <CeilingKitten> ZWave and Xbee are wireless networks where devices communicate, doors, locks, lamps, lights etc,.
[22:57] <Davor> so basically I had the thing in my hands not 48 hours after ordering, I was very pleased
[22:57] <CeilingKitten> Davor, when i first ordered it took like 4 months
[22:57] <Batolemaeus> i waited quite a while for the early adopters to make their move
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[22:58] <CeilingKitten> xD then i bought from Element14 and got it next day, they were so cherry and helpful too, i'd pick them over RS for any future purchases
[22:58] <Davor> CeilingKitten, I did order it just about a month ago
[22:58] <Davor> huh, funny, I heard people complaining about Element14
[22:59] <Davor> can't really say, I only ordered a single item, the Pi itself, and that was from RS
[22:59] <Batolemaeus> btw., i can't really find good and thorough docs on kernel option requirements for the camera module..any good pointers?
[22:59] <rikkib> E14 delivered a RPi and camera overnight on Wednesday
[23:00] <Davor> depending on when you ordered, they probably had a lot more orders to take care of then if it was back when it came out CeilingKitten
[23:00] <CeilingKitten> E14, was super polite, made small talk on the phone, looked for items that weren't instock, or on the site, gave me a coupon code, told me it be at my door tomorrow, sent me a follow up email with more coupons >_>
[23:00] <Davor> compared to a month ago
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[23:00] <Davor> lol, nice!
[23:00] <Davor> RS wasn't THAT nice :p
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[23:08] <plugwash> CeilingKitten, where are you?
[23:09] <plugwash> apparently farnell/element14 have been a PITA for people in mainland europe
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[23:09] <plugwash> refusing to sell them Pi products directly (even though they would sell them other stuff) and pushing them to sucky resellers
[23:10] <poli> I use farnell down here (Brazil), online and I get great delivery time and response. Haven't called them in ages though.
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[23:14] <Chubbs> Can anyone help me access my RPi filesystem when the SD card is plugged into my OSX machine?
[23:14] * Mitos is now known as mythos
[23:15] <Chubbs> It seems I can only see the boot partition when i plug it in
[23:15] <CeilingKitten> plugwash, i called them in the US, and was uber polite, they didnt even know the rpi had a camera, and i was like check pleaseee.. it just came out, and they placed my order for the part as it was being unloaded from skids on the trucks lol
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[23:16] <gordonDrogon> baking done for today.
[23:16] <CeilingKitten> gordonDrogon, as in linux pi, or actual food :o
[23:17] <poli> Chubbs: Not a OSX user, but seems like this is a source: http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13727_7-57457850-263/how-to-manage-ext2-ext3-disks-in-os-x/
[23:17] <gordonDrogon> CeilingKitten, actual food!
[23:17] <gordonDrogon> CeilingKitten, I have a 'do' tomorrow afternoon that I'm catering for.
[23:18] <CeilingKitten> nice nice ^^, i'm sure you will make it a good one
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[23:18] <gordonDrogon> CeilingKitten, I do stuff like this: http://moorbakes.co.uk/?p=98
[23:18] <Bozza> Holy batman
[23:18] <Bozza> I found out why my third GPIO button wasn't working
[23:18] <poli> I have 3 different barbecues to attend to tomorrow...
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[23:19] <gordonDrogon> Bozza, not soldering then?
[23:19] <Bozza> One of the wires in the circuit was bad ...
[23:19] <gordonDrogon> ok
[23:19] <Davor> why do I like to send people pictures of my food so much
[23:19] <Bozza> One of the actual wires didn't carry any electricity
[23:20] <Bozza> I redid the soldering a hundred times and just couldn't figure out what was wrong with it
[23:20] <Bozza> Replaced this wire and it worked ... Crazy
[23:20] <CeilingKitten> ugh, sometiems a multimeter saves the day :o but an led is cheaper lol
[23:21] <Davor> my multimeter is messed up
[23:21] <Davor> the ohmmeter doesn't work
[23:21] <Bozza> gordonDrogon: anything new with you? :)
[23:21] * CeilingKitten doesn't own any tools, but plans to get them
[23:21] <gordonDrogon> Bozza, no - just a room full of cakes :)
[23:21] <Davor> reads about 10k more, and the resistors are brand new
[23:21] <Davor> a few of them even
[23:21] <Bozza> Hmmm cakes
[23:21] <CeilingKitten> ^ xD
[23:22] <Bozza> Bon appetite ;)
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[23:22] <plugwash> Davor, is your multimeter showing low battery? if so have you changed the battery?
[23:22] <plugwash> multimeters with low batteries often do weired stuff in my experiance
[23:22] <Bozza> CeilingKitten: get a box with your tools ..it shall be your tool-box :)
[23:22] <Bozza> plugwash: nah those are ghosts
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[23:23] <Bozza> gordonDrogon: but really what's with the cakes? You need to link us to a pic so we can enjoy/get hungry as well
[23:23] <Davor> that was my first thought too plugwash, but the battery is brand new
[23:24] <Davor> it also seems to read everything else fine
[23:24] <gordonDrogon> Bozza, I have a 'hobby' catering company call 'Moorbakes'.
[23:24] <Davor> voltmeter and ampmeter seems to work
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[23:24] <gordonDrogon> Bozza, I make and sell foody stuff - do evening buffets, lunches, afternoon teas, etc. for people.
[23:24] * plugwash might try spraying some switch cleaner in the rotary switch
[23:24] <Bozza> Wow cool
[23:24] <plugwash> but other than that I can't suggest much
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[23:25] <Bozza> I wouldn't mind diving into your food to celebrate my third button working haha
[23:25] <gordonDrogon> Bozza, it's just a hobby - but it pays for itself (and a little more). my kitchen is inspected and I have a foog hygeine & safety certificate, etc.
[23:26] <CeilingKitten> Cake business :o
[23:26] <gordonDrogon> tomorrows offerings: http://unicorn.drogon.net/sandra-27-07-13.pdf
[23:27] <Bozza> Cool! Wow awesome hobby! Wouldn't have expected someone who is good at tech to be into a cooking hobby
[23:27] <CeilingKitten> Bozza, Katty has a wicked food blog too
[23:27] <CeilingKitten> she hasnt been in here recently though =|
[23:28] <Encrypt> Cakes : Raspberry Pies \o/
[23:28] <Encrypt> :p
[23:28] <Davor> Star Trek: TNG or Sherlock?
[23:28] <Bozza> A woman who is into raspberry
[23:28] <Bozza> Pi
[23:28] <Bozza> Cooking and irc is amazing
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[23:28] <gordonDrogon> Bozza, I make a lot of bread too - that's quite theraputic. 10-15 miuntes kneading dough - takes your mind off things :)
[23:28] <Bozza> Don't find those often
[23:29] <Davor> that sounds quite pleasant gordonDrogon
[23:29] <CeilingKitten> Bozza, yes you do they just aren't always sane xD
[23:29] * CeilingKitten acts crazy, i mean normal
[23:29] <Bozza> Hehehe
[23:29] <Bozza> Which part of the UK are you from?
[23:29] <gordonDrogon> us techies ought to have non-techie hobbys.
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[23:30] <gordonDrogon> Bozza, me? I'm from Scotland, but I live in Devon (South west England)
[23:30] <CeilingKitten> Bozza, im not from the UK, but im not sure if you meant to ask gordonDrogon, because you want cake XD
[23:30] <gordonDrogon> I did loads and loads of diving for a while, but it all got rather technical with mixed gases and rebreathers and stuff...
[23:30] <Bozza> CeilingKitten: that's it!!!l Hahhah
[23:31] <gordonDrogon> I've done loads of exciting stuff! Everyone should do other "stuff" too.
[23:31] <CeilingKitten> then he used his knowledge of mixed gases to create souffle and baking of legends
[23:31] <Bozza> So true techies should have non techy Hobbys .. Mine is photographing ..young women mostly .. But that too is kinda too techy
[23:31] <CeilingKitten> now to find out why ice cream has so much air and how we can take it out and get gelato
[23:31] <Bozza> Ever tried Russian ice cream?
[23:32] <gordonDrogon> Margaret Thatcher is responsible for putting air into ice cream.
[23:32] <CeilingKitten> noo
[23:32] <CeilingKitten> whats russian ice cream?
[23:32] <gordonDrogon> back in a bit. got to check stuff cooling down and cover it up.
[23:32] <Bozza> It's ice cream but the taste is really good
[23:32] <Encrypt> Oh no... I can see lightnings in the distance... :(
[23:32] <CeilingKitten> I seen turkish ice cream its freaky it gooes and globs and they can steal it from you have the fun of ordering is having them torture you before you get to eat it
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[23:33] <CeilingKitten> they make it so its super sticky, and give you like a giant scoop and then steal the cone, and flip it about etc,.
[23:33] <Bozza> I think they dont remove a lot of fat from their milk when making ice cream
[23:33] <Bozza> So it tastes super nice
[23:33] <CeilingKitten> xD it's hilarious to watch
[23:33] <double-you> hm, truecrypt on the pi ist really slow!
[23:33] <Bozza> Ohh yea Turkish ice cream
[23:33] <apo> CeilingKitten: ... I have no idea what you said
[23:33] <apo> CeilingKitten: Try again with more punctuation?
[23:33] <CeilingKitten> double-you, there is no AES accel. onboard and its like a P3 truecrypt will be slow
[23:33] <Bozza> Had some of that .. The Turks always pretend they're abut to throw that stuff at you ... But it is sticky
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[23:33] <CeilingKitten> sorry apo,
[23:34] <double-you> CeilingKitten: but it's really really slow :-)
[23:34] * CeilingKitten grammar salute
[23:34] <apo> ooooh
[23:34] <Bozza> Going to have a slice of pizza
[23:34] <Bozza> To hungry now lol
[23:34] <apo> /half/ the fun of ordering
[23:34] <double-you> 750 kbyte/s over wifi
[23:35] <CeilingKitten> sorry HALF yes, apo if you seen turkish ice cream on youtube its like a 5 minute magic show, before you get to eat your ice cream
[23:35] <apo> now it all makes sense
[23:35] <CeilingKitten> double-you, there isnt much you can do about that, sadly
[23:36] <CeilingKitten> you could try mounting the drive on another pc and asking it remotely from the pi, so the read and writes are handled by a different machine's cpu and resources,
[23:36] <CeilingKitten> or maybe EncFS or something is more suitable
[23:36] <double-you> CeilingKitten: heh, once I had the idea to use 2 pis for this
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[23:37] <double-you> one pi for mounting ntfs3g over samba and the other to share the truecrypt mount over network
[23:38] <Bozza> CeilingKitten: when I was just a kid I wasn't a big fan of the Turkish ice cream man performing some magic show
[23:39] <Bozza> It was very unexpected
[23:39] <Bozza> I thought it was a troll lol
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