#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2013-07-27

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[0:02] <_tockitj> what is default rpi filesystem for raspbian /
[0:04] <Davor> I'm off. thanks for all the help!
[0:04] <Davor> bye
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[0:06] <Mogwai> _tockitj: ext4
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[0:12] <_tockitj> thanks Mogwai
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[0:13] <_tockitj> sdcard seems to have massive number of errors
[0:13] <_tockitj> on almost every inode so far
[0:14] <_tockitj> and i'm running fsck.ext4 in destructive mode :/
[0:14] <_tockitj> it is clearing node by node :|
[0:16] <Mogwai> _tockitj: Not a good sign :( .. any overclock involved?
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[0:16] <_tockitj> nope :/
[0:16] <_tockitj> 7000 inodes 'fixed' and counting
[0:16] <_tockitj> it is 'fixing' every inode :S
[0:17] <_tockitj> duh.. i did some dev work on this card
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[0:18] <double-you> what's the name of the sd device? I also want to start fsck.ext4
[0:18] <double-you> mmcblk0 ?
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[0:19] <_tockitj> mmcblk0p2
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[0:19] <double-you> ./dev/mmcblk0p2 is mounted.
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[0:20] <_tockitj> lucky you :(
[0:21] <double-you> my micro sd card cost about 4,50 euros
[0:21] <Mogwai> double-you: sudo touch /forcefsck && sudo reboot .. should do it I think
[0:22] <double-you> I was able to start it with -f -n :-)
[0:22] <_tockitj> whot tool could be used to recover data from sd card ? :/
[0:22] <double-you> only 5 errors
[0:22] <double-you> (2 inode errors)
[0:23] <_tockitj> dd if=/dev/mmcblk0p2 bs=1M | strings | grep import # failed
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[0:27] <double-you> when I have time I'll look for something like boot in read only mode
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[0:33] <rikkib> no matter what I do I can not get a Transcend 8GB SD card to boot on one of my RPi... Two other cards boot fine. The card boots in another RPi no problem... The only difference is the problematic RPi comes from the UK factory, the others China.
[0:34] <Simon-> try rewriting the boot files on the card?
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[0:38] <rikkib> Simon-, Been there done that... I even did the steps manually... I.E. fdisk, mkdosfs, mke2fs and copied files... Card boots fine in another machine ever time...
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[0:41] <rikkib> I guess I will just have to move on...
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[0:43] <rikkib> I have a camera to get going... First challenge is to mount it on something to minimize the chances of damaging it.
[0:43] <rikkib> First time I have used my anti static wrist strap for a long time.
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[0:50] <steve_rox> fun times :-P
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[1:03] <rikkib> http://bencom.co.nz:8081 My RPi web cam is online again today. Today's task is to mount and set to work my new RPi camera module.
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[1:11] <Bozza> rikkib: a lot of wires I see
[1:11] <Bozza> :)
[1:12] <Bozza> Us the page supposed to auto refresh?
[1:12] <rikkib> Best viewed with vlc
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[1:13] <rikkib> It is a jpeg stream
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[1:13] <rikkib> I think IE no work with it.
[1:14] <LordDoskias> if i feed a buffer with emptythis buffer which ahs a pAppprivate set hwo can i consume this same pAppPrivate when i invoke FillThisBuffer for a component who is connected to the component on whose input port i have emptied the first buffer?
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[1:16] <LigerZero> I tried the pimame script and I removed everything but everytime I start tmux it says: -bash: /home/todd/pimame_files/getip.sh: No such file or directory
[1:16] <LigerZero> python: can't open file '/home/todd/pimame_files/menu.py': [Errno 2] No such file or directory
[1:16] <LigerZero> How do I fix that?
[1:16] <LigerZero> I removed he ~/pimame_files directory...
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[1:18] <eggy> hm
[1:19] <eggy> jpeg faster? than live?
[1:20] <LigerZero> brb going to try a reboot
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[1:41] <LigerZero> crap I think I've nearly ruined the pi :(
[1:41] <LigerZero> I rebooted and if not for ssh things would be really bad, although they already kinda are...
[1:42] <ShorTie> see any smoke ??
[1:42] <LigerZero> I had to startx via ssh cause it kept saying INIT: id "1" respawning too fasat: disabled for 5 minutes authentiction failure
[1:42] <LigerZero> and it wouldn't load to a login prompt :(
[1:42] <LigerZero> not sure how that exactly happened or how to fix it
[1:43] <LigerZero> just kept spamming that warning :/
[1:43] <ShiftPlusOne> the simplest thing to do is to copy the files you need and re-writting the sd card
[1:43] <LigerZero> figured :/
[1:43] <ShorTie> just what i was thinkin
[1:45] <ShorTie> power supplies and sdcards seem to be the biggest problems with the rPi
[1:45] <LigerZero> k well guess I'll do that then
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[2:00] <rikkib> Ok camera module mounted
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[2:08] <apo> GUH
[2:08] <apo> Has anybody here built their own cross compiler?
[2:08] <apo> Unknown CPU given in --with-cpu=arm1176jzfs.
[2:08] <apo> ~_~
[2:09] <apo> I've tried with arm1176jzfs and arm1176jzf-s, just to be sure
[2:09] <apo> but they both don't work
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[2:12] <ShiftPlusOne> http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc/ARM-Options.html
[2:13] <ShiftPlusOne> Just use crosstool-ng to build the toolchain though
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[2:13] <apo> > ‘arm1176jz-s’
[2:14] <apo> I know the page.
[2:14] <apo> I've read it.
[2:14] <apo> The option is valid.
[2:14] <ShiftPlusOne> ah ok
[2:14] <apo> for certain values of 'valid' that do not include 'fucking works' ~_~
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[2:15] <ShiftPlusOne> O_o
[2:15] <ShiftPlusOne> kind of a family friendly channel sort of deal here
[2:16] <ShiftPlusOne> have you tried armv6 ?
[2:17] <apo> That's not valid for --with-cpu
[2:17] <apo> it is for --with-arch, but doesn't work there.
[2:18] <ShiftPlusOne> then I come back to crosstool-ng
[2:18] <rikkib> Ah I have a camera light
[2:19] <apo> ShiftPlusOne: Take your magic black box away from me :<
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[2:22] <ShiftPlusOne> Then maybe http://cross-lfs.org/view/clfs-sysroot/arm/ would be a good reference
[2:22] <ShiftPlusOne> if you want to make things unnecessarily time consuming.
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[2:23] <rikkib> First cap with my camera module... http://www.zlham.geek.nz/rpi/cam1.jpg
[2:24] <rikkib> My camera module looking up at my rpi web cam hanging off the side of an open PC.
[2:26] <rikkib> http://zlham.geek.nz:8081
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[2:29] <apo> ShiftPlusOne: That is my reference.
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[2:30] * ShiftPlusOne hands apo a magic black box.
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[2:39] <rikkib> Hmmm 3 mb + jpg out of the Camera module
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[2:42] <steve_rox> indeed]
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[2:44] <rikkib> I don't like the time it takes to take a picture.
[2:45] <rikkib> About 5-6 seconds
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[2:46] <steve_rox> you should be able to disaBLEE the delay
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[2:46] <rikkib> I check
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[2:47] <rikkib> Ahh I see
[2:47] <rikkib> Thanks
[2:48] <rikkib> That is acceptable for what I have in mind
[2:49] <rikkib> Mmmm beacon and egg toasted for lunch... Off to make it.
[2:52] <steve_rox> i got my rpi cam on a delay time shot
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[3:00] <Bozza> Google search doesn't seem to crawl every log from this chat
[3:01] <Bozza> Or at least it doesn't index every word? It has some strange algorithm
[3:01] <Bozza> For instance if I google "datagutt1 bozza imgur" it doesn't find anything
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[3:09] <UnaClocker> Mmm, that E14 RPi survey sure seemed to take more than 10 minutes..
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[3:13] <steve_rox> servey?
[3:14] <UnaClocker> Yeah, they wanted to know what I thought of the Pi..
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[3:20] <steve_rox> oh
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[3:32] <ozzzy> programmer n. [proh-gram-er]. An organism that converts caffeine and pizza into software.
[3:34] <UnaClocker> Slow night in there.
[3:35] <ozzzy> slow night everywhere
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[4:23] * IT_Sean just ordered the adafruit RGB LCD module kit and a wifi adapter for the raspi from E14
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[4:26] <nerdboy> IT_Sean: is that the little one with the two-line text display?
[4:29] <IT_Sean> yes
[4:29] <IT_Sean> and 5 pushbuttons
[4:31] <IT_Sean> http://www.newark.com/jsp/search/productdetail.jsp?id=52W9086&_requestid=309056
[4:31] <IT_Sean> that one
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[4:33] <hydroxygen> anyone try the newest wheezy release ? 2013-07-26-wheezy-raspbian
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[4:38] <nerdboy> nope, my latest is the 2013-05-25 image
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[4:41] <nerdboy> i recently uploaded a 20130716 build of the yocto images if that's of any interest...
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[4:48] <Haxxa> helloi
[4:48] <Haxxa> anyone in the house??
[4:48] <nerdboy> nope
[4:48] <Haxxa> great I will do evil things then ;)
[4:48] <nerdboy> dave's not here...
[4:49] <Haxxa> Anyway I was wondering what is the best way to stream content from a raspberry pi to a chromebook
[4:49] <nerdboy> what sort of content?
[4:49] <Haxxa> current my pi acts as a media server with minidlna and pushs mp4 (mainly)
[4:50] <nerdboy> over wired or wireless?
[4:50] <Haxxa> wired
[4:50] <nerdboy> neither of which is all that speedy in this case...
[4:50] <Haxxa> I heard it is possible through certain software but many have limits due to pi not been able to transcode quick enough
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[4:51] <nerdboy> transcoding would be... not recommended
[4:51] <Haxxa> I even heard worst case sonario you can setup web server and chromebook would stream it
[4:51] <Haxxa> but it would be hard to setup
[4:51] <Haxxa> mp4 works fine out of the box just trying to find out how to play
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[4:52] <Haxxa> what are your thoughts?
[4:53] <Haxxa> very quiet thoughts :)
[4:53] <nerdboy> i don't usually stream large stuff
[4:53] <nerdboy> mp3/ogg mainly
[4:53] <nerdboy> using edna and mtdaapd
[4:54] <Haxxa> does that work on chromebook?
[4:54] <nerdboy> mtdaapd is a basic itunes stream
[4:54] <nerdboy> anything with daap client support should work
[4:54] <Haxxa> ok I will now take a look
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[4:55] <nerdboy> Haxxa: my primary pi is an mpd player
[4:55] <nerdboy> remote clients, but music plays on the pi itself
[4:55] <Haxxa> ok so you haven't tried streaming to chromebook before?
[4:56] <Haxxa> I would use dlna but no support
[4:56] <nerdboy> are you talking linux on chromebook, or chromeos?
[4:56] <nerdboy> the latter should play most formats i would think
[4:57] <nerdboy> i've been building gentoo on my chromebook, so i have't really played with chromeos a lot yet
[4:57] <Haxxa> yer but you can't stream to it, i.e. no dlna client
[4:57] <Haxxa> it handles mp4 nativley though
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[4:58] <nerdboy> not sure about video support in mtdaap
[4:58] <Haxxa> so if I had a web server I could just play it like that
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[4:58] <nerdboy> i just use it for audio
[4:59] <nerdboy> the pi can certainly run a web server
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[4:59] <nerdboy> i'd recommend lighttpd or similar
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[5:00] <Haxxa> how would I go about settinging up i.e. show the contents of /media/hdd at its root
[5:00] <nerdboy> edna has a built-in web server
[5:00] <nerdboy> again, i only use it for audio
[5:00] <Haxxa> then on chromebook I could just go to localhost and select which file
[5:00] <Haxxa> video is more important to me
[5:01] <nerdboy> in theory, you could nfs mount a pi export
[5:01] <Haxxa> I already have nfs and smb setup
[5:02] <nerdboy> or scratch that, the default chromeos kernel is missing nfs/cifs support among other things...
[5:02] <nerdboy> you'll need to compile a custom kernel for the chromenook
[5:03] <nerdboy> or i suppose i could give you mine...
[5:03] <Haxxa> no I'm fine jsut want html server
[5:03] <nerdboy> i just built a chromebook kernel with nfs and cifs
[5:03] <nerdboy> plus other stuff
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[5:04] <Haxxa> fair enough this is for my sister not me, in fact this is primary computer for her
[5:04] <nerdboy> then lighttpd would probably be my first choice, depending on what exactly you want to run on the server side
[5:04] <Haxxa> she isn't tech enthusist and chromebook was good enough,
[5:05] <nerdboy> i found their default kernel config pretty bad...
[5:06] <nerdboy> i was kinda shocked they would leave so much stuff disabled
[5:06] <Haxxa> you know when you type file:///C:/ into chrome it gives a display of contents on disk
[5:06] <nerdboy> but i guess it' supposed to be "simple"
[5:06] <Haxxa> yes
[5:07] <nerdboy> *it's even
[5:07] <Haxxa> I want same thing on pi server, no html just display of hdd content
[5:07] <Haxxa> can it be done?
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[5:08] <nerdboy> it wouldn't be the same as google's everything-in-chrome interface
[5:08] <Haxxa> why?
[5:08] <nerdboy> http is stateless
[5:09] <nerdboy> maybe (the browser) chrome was nifty webdav support
[5:10] <Haxxa> what about ftp?
[5:10] <nerdboy> *has
[5:10] <nerdboy> i would use http before ftp
[5:10] <nerdboy> but you try dav and see how that works
[5:10] <Haxxa> Ok I want something like this layout - http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/
[5:10] <Haxxa> But display video files
[5:11] <nerdboy> it's a read/write interface via a web browser and dav clients
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[5:11] <Haxxa> ok so what do I need?
[5:11] <nerdboy> for example, you can mount webdav like a disk drive
[5:11] <nerdboy> a web server with dav support
[5:12] <Haxxa> ok best in your opinion to run on pi?
[5:12] <nerdboy> not sure about lighttpd dav support
[5:12] <nerdboy> but it's easy enough to check...
[5:13] <nerdboy> apache has good dav support, but you'd want to at least set it up for a "minimal" number of workers/processes, etc
[5:14] <nerdboy> and run the pi at full speed
[5:14] <nerdboy> there are other "lite" web servers, but i've only really used apache and lighttpd
[5:14] <nerdboy> mostly apache
[5:14] <Haxxa> well its running dlna at the moment
[5:15] <Haxxa> so I want to keep it lightwieght
[5:15] <nerdboy> sometimes on embedded machines, so it does work
[5:15] <Haxxa> It will only be used for chromebook
[5:15] <Haxxa> once a week
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[5:15] <nerdboy> but apache can be a little slow on tight hardware
[5:15] <atouk> list pi folder contents via apache? use php opendir() and readdir()
[5:16] <Haxxa> Ok so Ihave never setup web server before - consider me complete n00b at this where should I start
[5:17] <Haxxa> how do I list pi folder contents via apache
[5:17] <atouk> install apache and php. use google and copy someone elses script. why reinvent the wheel
[5:17] <atouk> http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/programming/php-display-a-customizeable-list-of-files-in-a-directory/
[5:17] <atouk> take somethign like that and make whatever changes you need
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[5:18] <nerdboy> that's not much different than apache fancy listings, is it?
[5:19] <atouk> seeing how oher people do things and then breaking it a bunch of time as you make changes to it its a great way to learn
[5:19] <nerdboy> i though we were talking more like chrome on chrome
[5:19] <nerdboy> true dat
[5:20] <atouk> i "think" he was asking how to list files on the pi via browser on another machine
[5:20] <nerdboy> and do more than just download them...
[5:20] <Haxxa> ok so first step I guess shh- apt-get update - apt-get install apache
[5:20] <nerdboy> or maybe not
[5:21] <Haxxa> I thought it would stream rather than download them?
[5:21] <nerdboy> not with just a file listing
[5:21] <atouk> streaming is a different animal all together
[5:21] <Haxxa> ok
[5:21] <Haxxa> what should I do
[5:21] <atouk> one more time, explaing what you WANT to do
[5:21] <nerdboy> install an actual streaming server
[5:21] <atouk> (typing sucks tonight)
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[5:22] <Haxxa> all I want is to stream mp4 files from hdd to chromebook
[5:22] <nerdboy> edna/mtdaap/icecast for audio
[5:22] <Haxxa> I guess it is more of a limitation in chrome is
[5:22] <nerdboy> i would have to google the video stuff
[5:22] <Haxxa> *os
[5:23] <Haxxa> I have but there is little info
[5:23] <Haxxa> no dlan for example
[5:23] <Haxxa> *dlna
[5:23] <nerdboy> actually, even mpd can stream audio now
[5:23] <Haxxa> yer but I don't want audio
[5:23] <Haxxa> at all
[5:23] <nerdboy> there's got to be dlna servers...
[5:23] <Haxxa> no
[5:23] <Haxxa> no client
[5:24] <nerdboy> well, then what *can* you play from a stream on the chromeos side?
[5:24] <nerdboy> besides youtube...
[5:24] <Haxxa> look here
[5:24] <Haxxa> http://www.ubergizmo.com/2013/05/how-to-stream-local-content-to-chromebooks/
[5:24] <Haxxa> this was done with web server
[5:25] <Haxxa> on windows how do I do same on linux
[5:25] <atouk> so you awant to us eth epi as a streaming server for audio and video?
[5:25] <nerdboy> what's the nominal bandwidth?
[5:25] <Haxxa> I want what is in url
[5:25] <Haxxa> that sort of setup
[5:26] <nerdboy> for mp3 it's about 17k/sec
[5:26] <Haxxa> Over 5ghz
[5:26] <atouk> yeah, over 8000
[5:26] <nerdboy> for one stream
[5:26] <Haxxa> network can handle it
[5:26] <Haxxa> so can it be done?
[5:27] <atouk> http://www.techradar.com/us/news/digital-home/media-servers/use-raspberry-pi-to-stream-to-any-device-with-squeezeplug-1154688
[5:27] <nerdboy> if there's a piece of open source software that's not tied to windoze, then yes
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[5:27] <[Saint]> you could also use subsonic.
[5:28] <Haxxa> I just want webserver
[5:28] <Haxxa> squeeze plug doesn't work with chromebooks
[5:29] <Haxxa> I disagree I believe it can play off web server it does not need to download
[5:29] <Haxxa> I will use apache
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[5:31] <Haxxa> can anyone help me out with that
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[5:59] <Haxxa> hello
[5:59] <Haxxa> anyone
[5:59] <_aegis_> hello anyone!
[5:59] <Haxxa> surley some people know how to use apache
[5:59] <_aegis_> yes. but why are you using apache? :)
[6:00] <Haxxa> because I can stream content from it
[6:00] <Haxxa> thats the way the chromebooks handle mp4 files they download and begin playing
[6:00] <Haxxa> they do not save them
[6:00] <Haxxa> so I want to setup with location
[6:01] <nerdboy> like you said, apt-get install apache and configure a Location block for where you put the files
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[6:02] <nerdboy> an alias might help too...
[6:02] <_aegis_> "Options +Indexes" can make your life easier if you want to browse files.
[6:03] <nerdboy> yeah, depends on if he's using that php thing or not
[6:03] <Haxxa> ok I have installed apahe
[6:03] <_aegis_> so I wrote a fairly complete OpenGL 1.x fixed function to OpenGL ES 1.x library. I'm porting it to the rpi.
[6:03] <nerdboy> i would start with fancy listings and see if that works first...
[6:04] <Haxxa> apache is now on there now what do I do
[6:04] <Haxxa> How do I change config
[6:04] <_aegis_> look at the files in /etc/apache2
[6:04] <nerdboy> look in /etc/apache
[6:04] <nerdboy> 2
[6:05] <Haxxa> apache2.conf envvars mods-available ports.conf sites-enabled
[6:05] <Haxxa> conf.d magic mods-enabled sites-available
[6:05] <nerdboy> you shouldn't need to modify anything besides the default vhost
[6:05] <Haxxa> now what
[6:05] <_aegis_> http://httpd.apache.org/docs/current/vhosts/examples.html
[6:05] <_aegis_> there should be a default file in sites-enabled
[6:05] <nerdboy> sites-available owuld be my guess
[6:05] <atouk> you do know apache only serves webpages, it dowsn't do anything on it's own. you have to build whatever content you want it to serve
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[6:06] <_aegis_> atouk: he wants it to serve mp4 downloads, which it can do fine with +Indexes
[6:06] <nerdboy> gentoo just has a vhosts.d ...
[6:06] <atouk> i think he's trying to fly before he can crawl
[6:06] <_aegis_> yeah, sites-avail/enabled is a debianism afaik
[6:06] <_aegis_> atouk: pretty simple request afaict <_<
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[6:06] <Haxxa> 000-default
[6:06] <_aegis_> yes. that. open it and try the link I posted
[6:07] <Haxxa> thank you this is what I wanted
[6:07] <_aegis_> /etc/init.d/apache2 restart when you think you've done it
[6:07] <Haxxa> so shoudld I add to bottom of file?
[6:07] <_aegis_> anywhere.
[6:07] <_aegis_> the only limit is yourself.
[6:07] <nerdboy> i put mu stuff in default_vhost.include and it gets included by 00_default_vhost.conf
[6:07] <mu> hello
[6:07] <_aegis_> I use nginx :P
[6:07] <mu> goodbye
[6:08] <nerdboy> s/mu/my/
[6:08] <mu> use node.js for servers, ok.
[6:08] <mu> you'll thank me when you're dead
[6:08] <_aegis_> if you like javascript.
[6:08] <_aegis_> to serve static assets
[6:08] <Haxxa> so should I delete current text
[6:09] <nerdboy> _aegis_: apache has worked well for me since version 1
[6:09] <nerdboy> at some point i'll probably have a reason to play with something else...
[6:09] <_aegis_> Haxxa: try it before asking us
[6:09] <_aegis_> worst case I can tell you how to regenerate the config, though that's also pretty easy to look up
[6:10] <nerdboy> Haxxa: "try it and see" is generally a good approach
[6:10] <nerdboy> i can almost guarantee nothing will explode...
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[6:11] <Haxxa> The Apache error log may have more information.
[6:11] <Haxxa> failed!
[6:12] <Haxxa> Now can you tell me how to setup, seriously I just want to stream video I don't want become a webmaster
[6:13] <nerdboy> good thing you're not trying to build a picnic table...
[6:14] <nerdboy> you should already have a docroot setup
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[6:15] <_aegis_> Haxxa: undo whatever you did, add Options +Indexes in 000-default, and put your files in /var/www or wherever the default DocumentRoot ended up?
[6:15] <nerdboy> add something like this "Alias /url_name_you_want /path/to/mp4/files"
[6:16] <nerdboy> then make a directory or location stanza with the settings you want
[6:16] <_aegis_> why is my account on the forums "manually deactivated"? :/
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[6:17] <nerdboy> eg, "Options Indexes FollowSymLinks Multiviews" "Order allow,deny" "Allow from all"
[6:17] <nerdboy> done
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[6:17] <Haxxa> (13)Permission denied: make_sock: could not bind to address
[6:17] <Haxxa> no listening sockets available, shutting down
[6:17] <Haxxa> Unable to open logs
[6:17] <Haxxa> Action 'start' failed.
[6:17] <Haxxa> The Apache error log may have more information.
[6:17] <Haxxa> sorry for large text dump
[6:17] <Haxxa> should have used pastebin
[6:18] <_aegis_> /var/log/apache2/
[6:18] <nerdboy> grep the configs for address and listen
[6:18] <Haxxa> oh wait I started as root
[6:18] <Haxxa> ok I will pastebin my current file can you add changes?
[6:18] <_aegis_> no :)
[6:19] <atouk> when trying to help a friend set up a webserver, I was showing him step by step, and he said to me "don't explain to me how it works, just tell me how to do it..." just having some deja vu here
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[6:19] <RTLShadow> Heyo, I've got a problem with /etc/fstab
[6:19] <nerdboy> your vhost config should have something like Listen 80 and NameVirtualHost *:80
[6:19] <RTLShadow> It's giving me a bad line error
[6:19] <nerdboy> or similar...
[6:19] <_aegis_> Haxxa: look at the error log and try to see what went wrong
[6:20] <RTLShadow> how?
[6:20] <Haxxa> I fixed it as I said befoe - needed root
[6:20] <RTLShadow> Soz, relatively new to nix
[6:20] <_aegis_> ah
[6:20] <Haxxa> now what
[6:20] <_aegis_> RTLShadow: what's giving you an error?
[6:20] <RTLShadow> a line in /etc/fstab, lemme type it out
[6:20] <_aegis_> Haxxa: now what? what does it do now and what do you want it to do?
[6:21] <Haxxa> you know what I want it to do? it starts at the moment
[6:21] <nerdboy> silly me, i want to understand how it works...
[6:21] <RTLShadow> UUID=E45C05365C0504D0 "/home/pi/My Passport" ntfs-3g rw,default 0 0
[6:21] <nerdboy> scroll up, i told you how to add a location stanza
[6:22] <nerdboy> RTLShadow: probably that space
[6:22] <RTLShadow> where?
[6:22] <nerdboy> mount it on a different mount point
[6:22] <nerdboy> My Passport
[6:22] <RTLShadow> ah okay
[6:22] <Haxxa> The web server software is running but no content has been added, yet.
[6:23] <RTLShadow> don't the quotes do that?
[6:23] <Haxxa> I want to contentb I think
[6:23] <nerdboy> only in a shell...
[6:23] <Haxxa> what would I chnage to add content
[6:23] <Haxxa> 000-default file?
[6:23] <RTLShadow> Thanks nerdboy, ill see if i can fix that
[6:23] * nerdboy avoids spaces in identifiers
[6:23] <nerdboy> bad juju
[6:23] <Haxxa> and how do I add it it?
[6:23] <Haxxa> how should it be written
[6:24] <nerdboy> in your docroot
[6:24] <nerdboy> <nerdboy> add something like this "Alias /url_name_you_want /path/to/mp4/files"
[6:24] <Haxxa> ok I'm in nano now
[6:24] <Haxxa> I see this DocumentRoot /var/www
[6:25] <nerdboy> the alias will point wherever you want
[6:25] <RTLShadow> Removing the space fixed it <3 nerdboy.
[6:26] <nerdboy> remember, spaces in identifiers are bad juju...
[6:26] <nerdboy> say it with me
[6:26] <RTLShadow> soz :(
[6:26] <RTLShadow> spaces in identifiers are bad juju
[6:26] <nerdboy> okay, you get a cookie
[6:27] <RTLShadow> cookies++
[6:27] <RTLShadow> :)
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[6:27] <nerdboy> in the shell you can quote or escape them and usually get away with it
[6:28] <nerdboy> but at some point it will turn around and bite you in a painful place...
[6:28] <nerdboy> so just use underscores and you'll be safe and happy
[6:28] <nerdboy> except in hostnames
[6:29] <RTLShadow> alright, good
[6:29] <nerdboy> even underscores are not technically legal in a hostname
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[6:29] <nerdboy> although broken dns servers may still resolve them...
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[6:30] <nerdboy> if you really want to know what's legal, in many case there's an rfc for that...
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[6:30] <nerdboy> or some other standards doc
[6:31] <RTLShadow> interesting
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[6:31] <nerdboy> although the cowboy world of open source isn't always known for extensive standards use...
[6:31] <nerdboy> there are stil things like LSB
[6:32] <RTLShadow> Awhile ago I asked here for a good HDD and a way to power it with my RPi
[6:32] <nerdboy> and posix
[6:32] <RTLShadow> I got the camera, splitter, and HDD a few days ago
[6:32] <RTLShadow> placed them in a VHS box (clear) and now I can place it down, ssh, and it records to the hdd
[6:32] <nerdboy> power it without a powered hub?
[6:32] <RTLShadow> nah, I split the data into the pi and the power into a wall socket
[6:33] <nerdboy> even 2.5" ssd's can pull around 2 amps or more...
[6:33] <nerdboy> ah, okay
[6:33] <Haxxa> ok how can I change my hostname?
[6:34] <RTLShadow> its not an ssd
[6:34] <Haxxa> currently its raspberrypi/
[6:34] <RTLShadow> its a external hard drive
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[6:37] <nerdboy> Haxxa: echo "name_you_want" > /etc/hostname
[6:39] <nerdboy> RTLShadow: ^^ note the use of underscores instead of spaces :p
[6:40] <[Saint]> raspi-config can also do this for you
[6:40] <Haxxa> ok thank you almost perfect
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[6:41] <Haxxa> ok If I wanted it to make it look pretty I guess I would be writting some html
[6:41] <Haxxa> it plays seemlessly though
[6:43] <RTLShadow> Hmm
[6:43] <RTLShadow> when I move the .mp4 file to windows
[6:43] <RTLShadow> it says it cant play the file
[6:45] <RTLShadow> should I chang ethe output file to .avi?
[6:45] <RTLShadow> -o was output.mp4, should the filetype be different, perhaps?
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[6:49] <nerdboy> was the error more specific than that?
[6:49] <nerdboy> could be the container or either one of the codecs
[6:50] <nerdboy> the container stuff is a little whacked
[6:51] <nerdboy> eg, technically mp4 is somewhat less than definitive...
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[7:01] <RTLShadow> soz
[7:01] <RTLShadow> what types of videos can it take?
[7:01] <RTLShadow> filetypes
[7:01] <nerdboy> some of that depends on proprietary hardware codecs
[7:01] <RTLShadow> hmm
[7:02] <RTLShadow> well would this work:
[7:02] <nerdboy> kinda sucks
[7:02] <RTLShadow> raspivid -o output.mp4
[7:02] <nerdboy> try it and see
[7:02] <RTLShadow> any mods i need to make to play it on windows?
[7:02] <RTLShadow> i did, but I ctrl+c'd halfway through cause I did -t 0
[7:02] <RTLShadow> would that screw the file up?
[7:02] <nerdboy> not a clue, i gave up windows 15+ years ago...
[7:03] <RTLShadow> ah okay
[7:03] <nerdboy> they tend to favor their own codecs
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[7:04] <nerdboy> thus, then x86 package win32codecs
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[7:10] <nerdboy> RTLShadow: you'll have to research the windows side, but H264 is pretty standard for video these days, aac or mp3 for audio, and both an go into an mp4 container
[7:10] <RTLShadow> I did .h264 and used avconv to convert, but it wouldnt play
[7:10] <nerdboy> pi does h264/mp3/aac just fine...
[7:10] <RTLShadow> i want to play on windows though
[7:10] <\\Mr_C\\> they play in windows
[7:10] <RTLShadow> and windows doesnt play h264
[7:10] <nerdboy> maybe you need to install thew windoze h264 stuff
[7:11] <\\Mr_C\\> mine plays fine
[7:11] <RTLShadow> cant :/
[7:11] <\\Mr_C\\> with media player classic and vlc
[7:11] <RTLShadow> perhaps i need to open>with
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[7:11] <nerdboy> vlc should play almost anything, even on windows
[7:13] <RTLShadow> I can't install software on here :(
[7:13] <_aegis_> use vlc portable?
[7:15] <nerdboy> wait a minute, windows should play those
[7:16] <_aegis_> h264? depends on your windows version.
[7:16] <RTLShadow> play .h264? nope, it needs to be in an contaienr
[7:16] <nerdboy> our surgical camera makes mp4s with h264 and aac
[7:16] <RTLShadow> I have 7, Home Premium
[7:16] <nerdboy> they play on windoze/mac/linux just fine
[7:16] <RTLShadow> using?
[7:16] <RTLShadow> media player? or vlc
[7:16] <RTLShadow> I have to use media player
[7:17] <nerdboy> both
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[7:17] <nerdboy> media player should work
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[7:18] <nerdboy> i've tested them on my cheesy windoze laptop at work anyway...
[7:18] <nerdboy> win7 i guess
[7:19] <nerdboy> other people usually test on windows/mac
[7:19] <nerdboy> i usually test with totem
[7:20] <nerdboy> vlc is actually too tolerant for real testing
[7:20] <nerdboy> good for debugging though
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[7:25] <_aegis_> having trouble compiling against the pi's gl headers :(
[7:25] <nerdboy> RTLShadow: can you test the file in vlc and look at the metadata?
[7:26] <nerdboy> if it's a little bit funky that might be why windoze doesn't like it
[7:26] <nerdboy> _aegis_: are you mixing pi/mesa?
[7:27] <nerdboy> and on raspbian or something else?
[7:27] <RTLShadow> I got it working :)
[7:27] <_aegis_> arch. I'm pretty sure I just use the system GL headers. I'll make sure I'm not cross-pollinating with Kronos
[7:27] <RTLShadow> using MP4box on the pi
[7:28] <_aegis_> I'm running into some weirdness with sem_timedwait not being defined
[7:28] <RTLShadow> you might want to define it
[7:28] <RTLShadow> :P
[7:28] <_aegis_> it's in the semaphore.h system header. but I haven't been able to convince that header I want the define yet.
[7:28] <nerdboy> probably missing a a header file or two...
[7:28] <_aegis_> I'm not getting any missing header errors.
[7:29] <_aegis_> and that specific header is included.
[7:29] <_aegis_> I can compile the hello examples fine
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[7:31] <_aegis_> well it actually links now but the list of warnings is still pretty dubious
[7:32] <nerdboy> well, if you have it defined in semaphore.h then set -DHAVE_SEM_TIMEDWAIT=1 i guess
[7:32] <nerdboy> either pass it to cpp or #define it
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[7:35] <nerdboy> i get to test/package most of the code at work
[7:35] <nerdboy> some people obviously don't give a squat about warnings
[7:36] <nerdboy> the guy doing the android apps even suppresses all compiler warnings
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[7:36] <nerdboy> i asked him not to, but apparently nobody else cares about that either
[7:36] <_aegis_> -_-
[7:37] <_aegis_> I get compiler warnings in my editor.
[7:37] <nerdboy> only several hundred lint and findbugs errors...
[7:37] <nerdboy> in one android app...
[7:37] <_aegis_> I even run valgrind :P
[7:37] <_aegis_> the GLES libs for the SGX have so many valgrind errors.
[7:37] <nerdboy> better than the 7000+ findbugs errors the last time around
[7:38] <nerdboy> different code/guy in that case
[7:38] <nerdboy> and people wonder why there are graphics glitches...
[7:39] <_aegis_> :)
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[7:40] <_aegis_> alright. made it to runtime errors.
[7:40] <nerdboy> maybe if more developers read Fatal Defect...
[7:41] <nerdboy> switching to an IV&V job on safety-critical systems would also help give them a different outlook
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[7:51] <RTLShadow> Neat, RPi is gonna be taking 1080p stills every 20 seconds for the next ten hours
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[7:53] <[Saint]> hope you've got enough storage for that :)
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[7:53] <RTLShadow> 1TB sound good?
[7:53] <nerdboy> it would take a little while to fill a 32 GB card...
[7:54] <nerdboy> oh yeah, you did say hard disk...
[7:54] <RTLShadow> yeah
[7:54] <RTLShadow> haha
[7:54] <_aegis_> YES
[7:54] <_aegis_> I'm currently running unmodified opengl code on the raspberry pi.
[7:54] <[Saint]> ~8GB or so for 10 hours
[7:54] <[Saint]> (back of the envelope math)
[7:54] <ShiftPlusOne> _aegis_, accelerated?
[7:54] <_aegis_> yes.
[7:55] <_aegis_> nehe tutorial 5.
[7:55] <nerdboy> we started shipping cameras running off 32 GB cards but switched to 128 GB SSDs as soon as we could
[7:55] <RTLShadow> at 5.5 mb per picture it will be almost a gig an hour
[7:56] <RTLShadow> if its every 20 seconds
[7:56] <[Saint]> whoops, I guessed around 2.5MB/image
[7:56] <nerdboy> 5.5 sounds a little large
[7:56] <nerdboy> how much compression are you using?
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[7:57] <[Saint]> ~16.5GB over 10 hours @ ~5.5MB
[7:57] <nerdboy> ours are mostly less than 2 MB i think
[7:57] <nerdboy> 1080p stills
[7:57] <[Saint]> I thought I was being generous guessing 2.5 :)
[7:57] <RTLShadow> that was from an online calculator
[7:57] <RTLShadow> Saint, this is every 20 seconds
[7:57] <RTLShadow> thats 16.5 mb a minute
[7:58] <RTLShadow> 16.5 x 600 minutes
[7:58] <RTLShadow> = 9.9 gigs
[7:58] <nerdboy> it's the size of a single image we're having trouble with...
[7:59] <_aegis_> ShiftPlusOne: 60fps: http://bochs.info/img/IMG_0809-20130726-225909.jpg
[7:59] <RTLShadow> nerdboy, its probably not 5.5 megs
[8:00] <RTLShadow> just based off an online calc
[8:00] <RTLShadow> ah yes
[8:00] <RTLShadow> that was uncompressed raw
[8:00] <RTLShadow> jpeg max is 2.46 mb
[8:00] <RTLShadow> min .16
[8:00] <nerdboy> yup, 1.7 MB each
[8:00] <nerdboy> at least the ones in my test folder here
[8:00] <RTLShadow> assuming worst case @ 2.5 mb each
[8:01] <nerdboy> got a lot more of them in my office...
[8:01] <RTLShadow> 4.5 gigs
[8:01] <RTLShadow> so 450 megs an hour at worst case
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[8:01] <RTLShadow> neat
[8:02] <RTLShadow> at 931 gig HDD, that would run for 86 days straight
[8:02] <RTLShadow> lol
[8:03] <nerdboy> _aegis_: can you make that higher resolution? i'm having trouble seeing it...
[8:03] <_aegis_> lol
[8:03] <_aegis_> raw phone image
[8:03] <_aegis_> and it's a 27" monitor
[8:04] <nerdboy> yeah, when i clicked on it all i could see was a corner...
[8:04] <_aegis_> ah, chrome zooms out by default :D
[8:04] <_aegis_> so this means all of my opengl work for the openpandora will apply here
[8:04] <RTLShadow> <3 chrome
[8:04] <nerdboy> looks good tho
[8:04] <_aegis_> so this: http://boards.openpandora.org/index.php/topic/11506-opengl-implementation-tldr-more-games/
[8:04] <_aegis_> and this: http://boards.openpandora.org/index.php/topic/13866-which-games-use-libgl-so-far/
[8:05] <_aegis_> gonna try something more complicated now.
[8:05] <nerdboy> quake?
[8:06] <ShiftPlusOne> _aegis_, ah, that's what you're using on the pi?
[8:06] <_aegis_> yeah.
[8:06] <ShiftPlusOne> Ah, I was really confused there for a while >_<
[8:06] <ShiftPlusOne> Now then... get oolite going! =D
[8:07] <_aegis_> "Objective-C"
[8:07] <_aegis_> wasn't on my list for the pandora :)
[8:07] <_aegis_> I'll try a couple of my pandora ports first
[8:07] <ShiftPlusOne> That's awesome too =D
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[8:08] <_aegis_> it took me less time to port my lib than to get my post about it approved on the forums :P
[8:09] <[Saint]> Ah. So, you must be one of the 7 other people in the world with an openpandora then? :)
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[8:09] <_aegis_> hahaha
[8:09] <_aegis_> I have two.
[8:09] <ShiftPlusOne> _aegis_, approved... I am a bit slack about these things =(
[8:09] <[Saint]> ok, ...six people then? :)
[8:09] <ShiftPlusOne> I have one =D
[8:10] <[Saint]> sheesh...*five* people!
[8:10] <ShiftPlusOne> Haven't used it in ages though
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[8:11] <nerdboy> maybe i should an angstrom-pi build...
[8:11] <nerdboy> looks like i can at least raid a few recipes from pandora...
[8:12] <_aegis_> they've been fighting angstrom for a while
[8:12] <[Saint]> there's a really terrible angstrom build for the Archos A* IT series.
[8:12] <nerdboy> i though about buying a panda board a while back
[8:12] <[Saint]> A101 and A70s
[8:12] <_aegis_> they almost have a build based on new libraries working, after years of stale stuff :P
[8:12] <nerdboy> then i sat down until the thought went away...
[8:12] <_aegis_> if I plug in this keyboard my pi will reboot <_<
[8:13] <nerdboy> yocto/poky/oe-core is fairly recent
[8:13] <nerdboy> at least the toolchain and some other stuff is
[8:13] <_aegis_> I'm liking arch on my pi
[8:13] <[Saint]> Speaking of the A101/70, I should put out another image for it.
[8:14] <nerdboy> i haven't been using my gentoo/rasbian/raspbmc cards much since i started building my own images
[8:14] <ShiftPlusOne> nerdboy, aside from 'for the hell of it' why do you bother with yocto on the pi?
[8:15] <nerdboy> it does what i want and builds fast
[8:15] <Batolemaeus> nerdboy, do you have a functioning camera under gentoo?
[8:15] <nerdboy> no camera period
[8:15] <nerdboy> just wif/bt/IR
[8:15] <Batolemaeus> aw. I'm still trying to figure out whether i have defective hardware or whether it's a keyboard controller error
[8:16] <_aegis_> I really need to resize my sd image... the arch img was only 2gb
[8:16] <nerdboy> plus i was getting a little bored with debian and i'm too old to wait for gentoo to build on the pi...
[8:16] <Batolemaeus> that's why i have a few distcc nodes up
[8:16] <_aegis_> how hard was it to set up a pi distcc node?
[8:16] <nerdboy> me too, but it still took too long
[8:17] <nerdboy> distcc is easy from a gentoo stage3
[8:17] <_aegis_> I've been compiling on the pi thus far but I imagine it'll get slow when I start compiling real projects
[8:17] <nerdboy> the biggest piece is the kernel
[8:17] <Batolemaeus> _aegis_, not hard for me since i have a distcc node already, i just needed to build the cross compile toolchain. gentoo documentation is pretty spectacular however
[8:18] <nerdboy> my nice little 550 MB openbox/mpd image builds in about 3-4 hours from a clean slate
[8:18] <Batolemaeus> so it's really not very hard
[8:18] <nerdboy> those are award-winning docs btw
[8:19] <nerdboy> so, not surprising
[8:19] <_aegis_> well, here goes compiling an actual game
[8:19] <nerdboy> sorry, that was a shameless plug
[8:19] <Batolemaeus> the docs enabled me to build a gentoo system from stage2 with no prior *nix experience
[8:19] <Batolemaeus> they are that good
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[8:20] <nerdboy> i can't say i'm responsible for the docs, but i've been a gentoo dev since 2003
[8:21] <ShiftPlusOne> nerdboy, good on you, it's an excellent distro.
[8:21] <nerdboy> other than a smattering of debian and openembedded, i run gentoo on almost everything
[8:22] <ShiftPlusOne> I like gentoo, but find that I am using arch nowadays.... seems like a happy medium.
[8:22] <nerdboy> i liked redhat way back when but then got sick of building too many rpms...
[8:22] <PKodon> Excuse me for being a Linux "noob", but, is Gentoo one of those you have to compile for your system?
[8:22] <_aegis_> same @shift
[8:22] <nerdboy> ShiftPlusOne: shhh, don't tell anyone but i sometimes use the arch docs...
[8:23] <Batolemaeus> well, gentoo automates the whole compiling process
[8:23] <ShiftPlusOne> PKodon, aye, but it takes care of all of the tedious stuff. So yeah, everything is compiled to suit your needs, but you don't have to worry about endless dependencies and dodgy build systems.
[8:23] <PKodon> Hm.
[8:23] <ShiftPlusOne> nerdboy, can't blame you. I used to use gentoo docs for everything before I discovered arch.
[8:24] <nerdboy> PKodon: doing one gentoo install via the handbook is an *excellent* way to learn it
[8:24] <PKodon> ShiftPlusOne: So, how often do you rebuild, it seems like there's a new version of every distro coming out every month, or more often.
[8:25] <Batolemaeus> it's rolling release, you only rebuild updated packages
[8:25] <ShiftPlusOne> PKodon, it's a rolling release sort of deal. You only rebuild what you need, when you need.
[8:26] <nerdboy> you should also run glsa-check and update when needed
[8:26] <nerdboy> security announcements...
[8:26] <PKodon> Okay. My first introduction to Linux was some guy who seemed to recompile everything at least once a week, which sounded like a time-consuming process I didn't wish to go through.
[8:26] <Batolemaeus> that does sound excessive indeed
[8:26] <ShiftPlusOne> may have been an obsessive compulsive gentoo user.
[8:27] <_aegis_> well this is taking forever. I might just set up a full cross compiler environment
[8:27] <PKodon> But then, at the time I had a friend who kept trying to tweak Windows 98 SE to get better performance, would mess it up, then have to reinstall, perhaps sometimes 3 times a day.
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[8:28] <nerdboy> _aegis_: there's an sdk to go with the yocto images
[8:28] <_aegis_> I'm pretty comfortable using crosstool or something
[8:28] <PKodon> (Meanwhile, I never even ran a checkdisk or defrag, for 3 years, and mine ran fine.)
[8:29] <nerdboy> crossdev in gentoo, but yeah...
[8:29] <_aegis_> not using gentoo here ;)
[8:29] <_aegis_> I do have a gentoo prefix on my mac, but it's sketchy at best
[8:29] <nerdboy> crosstool outside of gentoo
[8:29] <PKodon> I've used Ubuntu (and some spinoffs), just installed Ultimate Edition on an SSD.
[8:31] <PKodon> Then there's the Pi, which I need to get set up and check out, just been playing games too much to get to it.
[8:31] <nerdboy> ubuntu is okay, even though i don;t like unity much
[8:31] <nerdboy> just not very educational
[8:31] <PKodon> Ultimate Edition defaults to KDE.
[8:31] <Batolemaeus> " Frequent use of this third form is not recommended as it may cause the programmer to overheat." <--pv manpage is weird
[8:31] <nerdboy> i gave my mother-in-law a netbook with ubuntu
[8:31] <[Saint]> Ubuntu is, frankly, the "Windows" of Linux.
[8:31] <nerdboy> she never asks me anything...
[8:31] <[Saint]> Its the "Just Works" distro.
[8:32] <nerdboy> yup, unless it doesn't
[8:32] <PKodon> Heh. Yeah, my brother-in-law brought his Ubuntu laptop with him, when he and my sister visited for 2 weeks.
[8:32] <nerdboy> which is relatively rare
[8:32] <Batolemaeus> one reason why i'm using xubuntu on my laptop..
[8:32] * [Saint] nods
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[8:33] <Batolemaeus> laptops are still such a painful ordeal, and not even fun to tinker with in my experience
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[8:33] <nerdboy> lubuntu is relatively lite, but behind a little...
[8:33] <[Saint]> Get a ThinkPad.
[8:33] <PKodon> Yeah, so much is non-standard on a laptop.
[8:33] <nerdboy> not bad on low-end hardware
[8:33] <Batolemaeus> i'd get a thinkpad if i was affluent enough to buy a good one
[8:34] * nerdboy has a g4 ibook with gnome3
[8:34] <_aegis_> I copped out and bought a macbook.
[8:34] <[Saint]> Oh. Indeed. Expensive, but worth it.
[8:34] <Batolemaeus> but frankly, i just use my laptop as a terminal client now. heh
[8:34] <nerdboy> and it actually works!
[8:34] <PKodon> I've got this HP netbook, I've thought about putting Linux on it, but then I've got some games that work on it under Win7HomePremium, but don't work on my gaming tower under Win7Pro.
[8:34] <[Saint]> PKodon: dual-boot.
[8:34] <nerdboy> had to patch a few things to get 3d working...
[8:35] <PKodon> [Saint]: I suppose that's an option, but makes for problems if anything goes wrong with Windows and it needs to be fixed.
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[8:36] <PKodon> Plus, I'd probably want a much bigger hard drive, then.
[8:36] <[Saint]> Why does it make problems?
[8:36] <[Saint]> Rather, why do you think it makes problems?
[8:37] <PKodon> Reinstalling Windows from the restore partition?
[8:37] <PKodon> Or whatever it's called.
[8:37] <[Saint]> How is that problematic?
[8:38] <PKodon> Wouldn't that destroy grub?
[8:38] <[Saint]> Certainly, but that is trivial to repair.
[8:39] <[Saint]> You can do it from a liveCD, or modify the boot param to drop into a shell and do it from there.
[8:39] <PKodon> Well, I've never dealt with that, it's bad enough when you have to fix Windows. Not that I've had a whole lot of trouble with it, but I spend a lot of time at the computer store, watching them try to fix problems on Windows.
[8:40] <_aegis_> first game I compiled is just blank :(
[8:40] * ShiftPlusOne has fixed his windows install from linux more often than he has use any ms tools to do so =/
[8:40] <nerdboy> windows overwrites the MBR so you just need to boot something and reinstall grub
[8:40] <nerdboy> just takes a few minutes
[8:40] * [Saint] nods
[8:40] <PKodon> And the only dual-boot setup I ever had was with Windows98SE and QNX, which set up a 4GB file as a virtual drive, then booted from that.
[8:41] <nerdboy> there's even a bootable grub floppy
[8:41] <Batolemaeus> worse is when flex drm overwrites grub2
[8:41] <PKodon> What's flex DRM?
[8:41] <Batolemaeus> i may or may not have yelled at a vendor when that bricked a machine at work
[8:41] <nerdboy> license management h*ll
[8:42] <PKodon> But, what's it used for?
[8:42] <ShiftPlusOne> The name rings a bell
[8:42] <PKodon> I mean, who's software uses it? Games? Enterprise software?
[8:42] <nerdboy> enforcing control over content
[8:42] <Batolemaeus> some enterprise software uses it
[8:42] <[Saint]> I read it as, DRM, for Adobe's Flex.
[8:42] <[Saint]> yes?
[8:42] <Batolemaeus> yep
[8:42] <Batolemaeus> writes to the space between mbr and first partition, raw
[8:42] <PKodon> Why in the world is an application messing with boot blocks?
[8:42] <nerdboy> before DRM there was flexlm
[8:43] <nerdboy> it's *always* been a pita...
[8:43] <[Saint]> that's ugly.
[8:43] <nerdboy> that's just plain evil
[8:43] <Batolemaeus> it is indeed very ugly. Imho, any software that ships with it is both defective and actively harming my environment
[8:44] <PKodon> Sounds like malware, if you ask me, regardless of what the company claims.
[8:44] <nerdboy> sounds like a job for Seal Team 6
[8:44] <PKodon> Heh.
[8:45] <[Saint]> pffffffft!
[8:45] <[Saint]> A Team.
[8:45] <PKodon> Hogan's Heroes.
[8:45] <[Saint]> Danger 5? :)
[8:45] <ShiftPlusOne> Ninja turtles?
[8:45] <PKodon> Underdog!
[8:45] <[Saint]> Mighty Mouse?
[8:45] <ShiftPlusOne> Power rangers!
[8:45] <PKodon> Atom Ant.
[8:46] <[Saint]> Popeye.
[8:46] <PKodon> Commander Keen!
[8:46] <[Saint]> Dig Dug.
[8:46] <ShiftPlusOne> Guybrush Threepwood ?
[8:46] <nerdboy> duke nukem
[8:46] <ShiftPlusOne> What are we doing?
[8:47] <PKodon> I've forgotten.
[8:47] <[Saint]> I...uhhh....
[8:47] <nerdboy> no idea
[8:47] <PKodon> I think we were expunging DRM.
[8:47] <ShiftPlusOne> Ah
[8:48] <PKodon> I also think it's so rampant, you'd need all those heros, and more, to get rid of it.
[8:49] * nerdboy is an active user of the Live Music Archive on archive.org
[8:49] <nerdboy> and i buy from the artist whenever possible
[8:49] <nerdboy> cut out the middle-man
[8:49] <PKodon> nerdboy: Good for you. I've known artists who get a pittance when they go through the record companies.
[8:49] <nerdboy> i've even uploaded to archive.org
[8:49] <nerdboy> twice
[8:50] <PKodon> I'd rather give an artist $2 directly, than pay $6 for a song and have them get $0.10.
[8:50] <nerdboy> i find stuff i like on archive.org and then go buy a live dvd or something if i can...
[8:51] <nerdboy> most of what comes out of my pi (in the car) is from archive.org
[8:53] <nerdboy> well, wadaya know...
[8:53] <PKodon> Anyway, so, some of you are using Gentoo on the Pi?
[8:53] <nerdboy> http://archive.org/details/The_Wyrd_Cult-1985 <= downloaded 110 times
[8:53] <nerdboy> poor souls...
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[8:54] <nerdboy> PKodon: yes, i made a gentoo card when i first got the pi
[8:54] <nerdboy> not doing much with it lately
[8:55] <PKodon> nerdboy: So, what are you doing now?
[8:55] <PKodon> nerdboy: With the Pi, that is?
[8:55] <nerdboy> crafting my own yocto os...
[8:55] <PKodon> What is "yocto" os?
[8:55] <nerdboy> https://github.com/sarnold/meta-raspberrypi
[8:56] <nerdboy> openembedded
[8:56] <nerdboy> i had to build up the meta-raspberrypi layer for a while, but it's getting more useful
[8:57] <nerdboy> should probably move a bunch of it to some other layer...
[8:57] <PKodon> nerdboy: Um, you've lost me.
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[8:57] <nerdboy> meta-lite maybe
[8:57] <PKodon> nerdboy: Is openembedded an OS? And what is a "BSP"?
[8:58] <nerdboy> PKodon: download the image and give it a spin https://github.com/sarnold/meta-raspberrypi/wiki/Raspberry-Pi-Openbox-MPD-Image-Setup
[8:58] <nerdboy> Board Support Package
[8:58] <nerdboy> it's just embedded jargon
[8:58] <nerdboy> think of it as "debian lite"
[8:58] <_aegis_> I was looking at tossing http://www.mopidy.com/ on a board and running a shared music queue in our office
[8:59] <nerdboy> similar to that pandora angstrom stuff
[8:59] <PKodon> Okay, um, first off, I have a Pi, it came with an SD card with an OS on it, I don't really know how to put another OS on another SD card (and don't know if you do it under Windows, or on the Pi itself).
[8:59] <_aegis_> think about what OS will be running on the Pi if you pull out the card
[9:00] <_aegis_> to reimage another card
[9:00] <PKodon> If I pull out the card, there wouldn't be anything running on it, would there?
[9:00] <_aegis_> easy enough to find out :D
[9:01] <_aegis_> just don't do it after writing any files.
[9:01] <PKodon> I've never even plugged in the Pi, so far. I need to get another HDMI cable.
[9:01] <ShiftPlusOne> PKodon, A good starting point if you don't know how to do these things http://elinux.org/RPi_Hub
[9:01] <PKodon> ShiftPlusOne: Thanks.
[9:03] <PKodon> Mind you, eventually I hope to have the Pi bolted to the back of a monitor, with a setup where I can run it portable, hooked to a Ham Radio, running off of Gell Cells or a car battery.
[9:03] <PKodon> (
[9:03] <PKodon> (Among other things.)
[9:04] <nerdboy> ShiftPlusOne: it was originally an excuse to build something with openembedded, and the pi is currently my only reasonable target since A) i actually have one, and 2) the basic BSP layer was already there
[9:04] <nerdboy> i needed some kind of project, so remote controlled mpd player was what came to mind
[9:05] <ShiftPlusOne> nerdboy, is... is that a reply to the question from an hour ago? >_<
[9:05] <nerdboy> it will much more useful when i get the video wiring harness
[9:05] <nerdboy> yup
[9:05] <ShiftPlusOne> lol, fair enough.
[9:05] <nerdboy> wifi and bt are in. next is gps and wireless sniffing
[9:06] <PKodon> nerdboy: That all sounds like it would go well with what I'd like to do, for APRS, for instance.
[9:06] <nerdboy> but yeah, there might be more than a little bit of because-i-can in there...
[9:07] <PKodon> nerdboy: Do you use a powered USB hub in order to connect all that?
[9:07] <nerdboy> not for any one of the above, but for more than one yes
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[9:09] <nerdboy> i'm a little surprised i can't find a kismet recipe...
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[9:10] * nerdboy wonders if it's still maintained
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[9:21] <_aegis_> oops, 12v was not the right voltage for a usb hub -> pi
[9:22] <_aegis_> my hub now smells funny.
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[9:23] <davor> hello
[9:23] <ShiftPlusOne> hi
[9:23] <davor> will a gpio output pin be enough to power an indicator LED?
[9:23] <davor> hi ShiftPlusOne
[9:23] <_aegis_> should be fine.
[9:23] <ShiftPlusOne> Any of them that's not in use.
[9:24] <ShiftPlusOne> 16mA max
[9:24] <davor> thanks!
[9:24] <_aegis_> my keyboard causes kernel panics.
[9:24] <ShiftPlusOne> Well, I didn't even read the question properly, but at least the answer is relevant anyway =D
[9:25] <davor> 16mA is the max current a GPIO output pin can output?
[9:25] <ShiftPlusOne> The max you should try to draw from one
[9:25] <davor> ah, okay
[9:25] <davor> thanks man
[9:26] <ShiftPlusOne> https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/gpio-examples/tux-crossing/gpio-examples-1-a-single-led/
[9:26] <davor> just about to take off to the electronics store. man, they have so much stuff. diacs, triacs, thyristores, various LEDs, IR transceivers, photoresistors, quartz crystals...
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[9:27] <davor> LCD screens too!
[9:27] <ShiftPlusOne> >_<
[9:27] <davor> I'm getting giddy, I'll end up with a bunch of stuff I'll have no idea how to use
[9:27] <davor> thanks for the link!
[9:27] <ShiftPlusOne> np, good luck
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[9:29] <davor> thanks, I think I'll need it :p
[9:29] <nerdboy> maybe you should only take $20 with you...
[9:29] <ShiftPlusOne> Not many ways to get an LED wrong O_o
[9:29] <nerdboy> or a chaperone...
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[9:30] <davor> my first time messing with the RPi's GPIO, I'm starting with just a few buttons to control music playback, but hopefully I'll be moving on to more complex stuff soon
[9:31] <davor> I guess that's where I'll need the luck :p
[9:32] <davor> probably a good idea regarding the $20 nerdboy
[9:33] <_aegis_> hopefully I'll have a video of a real game on a pi in a minute
[9:33] <ShiftPlusOne> _aegis_, which?
[9:33] <_aegis_> going down a list, whichever runs first :)
[9:33] <ShiftPlusOne> ah
[9:34] <_aegis_> compile step is pretty long still
[9:34] <nerdboy> faster to build an arch cross-toolchain
[9:35] * nerdboy whistles tunelessly
[9:35] <_aegis_> yeah :P
[9:35] <_aegis_> working on that on the side
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[9:37] <nerdboy> davor: if you want to play music the mpd image is perfect for that
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[9:37] <nerdboy> it already has lirc and emmpcd and an openbox desktop
[9:38] <nerdboy> audio even works out of the box
[9:38] <davor> ah, nice, I'll take a look, might not even need to stream music to the RPi
[9:38] <_aegis_> oh cool, arch has a cross toolchain for arm already
[9:38] <davor> some tunes stutter with mpd on Arch for me, unfortunately
[9:38] <nerdboy> not here, i use it in my car two hours a day
[9:39] <davor> so I was looking at pulseaudio LAN streaming, I'd be running mpd on an x86 Atom in that case
[9:39] <davor> hmm, weird, I'll try it out
[9:39] <nerdboy> this is plain alsa, no pulse
[9:39] <davor> and the stutters are really weird too. it's fine and everything and then the cpu usage spikes to 100%, that happens every 2 minutes or so
[9:40] <_aegis_> cpu usage of mpd?
[9:40] <davor> ah, good. I have a bit of a disdain for pulse :P
[9:40] <nerdboy> switch between analog and hdmi with amixer
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[9:40] <nerdboy> save your volume with alsactl
[9:40] <davor> yeah, been monitoring with htop, mpd has two processes, they are usually at about 20% each and spike to 45% each
[9:40] <nerdboy> it works better than i thought it would actually
[9:41] <nerdboy> it remembers where it was playing and starts back up when i start the car
[9:41] <davor> that sounds great
[9:41] <davor> I'll give it a shot, seems it stutters more with certain tunes than with others
[9:41] <nerdboy> i made a little next_playlist wrapper for mpc
[9:42] <_aegis_> got a game! bloboats works
[9:42] <davor> but I do have to start a separate systemd --user instance which I'm not really fond of
[9:42] <nerdboy> one button to cylce through all of them
[9:42] <davor> hehe that's pretty cool
[9:42] <nerdboy> this image doesn't use systemd
[9:42] <_aegis_> and a kernel panic!
[9:42] <nerdboy> it's *very* lite
[9:42] <davor> I'm thinking one play-pause toggle, one for next tune, one for previous and everything else will be done via an mpd client on my phone
[9:42] <davor> oo music to my ears nerdboy :)
[9:43] <_aegis_> my pi just can't take a usb keyboard :/
[9:43] <davor> what distro is it based on?
[9:43] <ShiftPlusOne> _aegis_, hurray!
[9:43] <nerdboy> https://github.com/sarnold/meta-raspberrypi/wiki/Raspberry-Pi-Openbox-MPD-Image-Setup
[9:43] <davor> thanks man!
[9:43] <ShiftPlusOne> _aegis_, check your tp1-tp2 voltage.
[9:44] <nerdboy> poky/meta-opmenembedded/meta-raspberrypi master
[9:44] <nerdboy> there's a build readme in the source and a couple of wiki docs
[9:45] <_aegis_> about 4.5
[9:45] <davor> hm, my eye hurts
[9:45] <davor> cheers nerdboy
[9:45] <davor> I'll definitely be using that
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[9:46] <nerdboy> davor: i don't even bother overclocking the one in th car
[9:47] <davor> lack of a package manager might be a pain, but meh, given the amount of packages I might need, I can just cross-compile that
[9:47] <davor> nice
[9:47] <nerdboy> it has a package manager
[9:47] <nerdboy> and a feed
[9:48] <davor> woah, nice
[9:48] <_aegis_> down to 4.2 right now
[9:48] <ShiftPlusOne> _aegis_, well there's your problem.
[9:48] <_aegis_> supposed to be 5?
[9:48] <ShiftPlusOne> _aegis_, below 4.75 is considered low.
[9:48] <_aegis_> boo.
[9:49] <nerdboy> if you need something let me know
[9:49] <ShiftPlusOne> _aegis_, either a bad power supply or a lossy cable.
[9:49] <_aegis_> I guess I've been using the same cable here
[9:49] <nerdboy> just search with "opkg list | grep foo" first
[9:49] <_aegis_> will dig around the office for more power sources and try different cables
[9:49] <_aegis_> or wire something up
[9:49] <davor> haha, thank you nerdboy, this is awesome :)
[9:49] <nerdboy> opkg update then search...
[9:50] <ShiftPlusOne> or your polyfuse is messed up (there shouldn't be a significant voltage drop across it). However, it's most likely the cable or supply.
[9:50] <nerdboy> it's kind of debian-ish in terms of packages and network config
[9:51] <nerdboy> i'm still making recipes as needed
[9:51] <nerdboy> hopefully not too many...
[9:51] <_aegis_> I have ~5.2 I could hook into the header directly
[9:52] <davor> hehe
[9:53] <ShiftPlusOne> _aegis_, keep in mind you're bypassing protection circuitry if you do that. It's not a big deal though.
[9:53] <nerdboy> kind of a build-your-own-os kit
[9:54] <_aegis_> looking for a better option first.
[9:55] <_aegis_> looks like I'm losing almost .5v between the test points and the hub
[9:55] <_aegis_> 4.8 at the hub probably isn't a good start though
[9:56] <ShiftPlusOne> _aegis_, just in case, check voltage across F3 (under the micro usb connector)
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[9:57] <Batolemaeus> "52428800 bytes (52 MB) copied, 1655.69 s, 31.7 kB/s" :|
[9:58] <_aegis_> about only about .2 lost from f3
[9:58] <Batolemaeus> looks like all of my sd cards have gone bad
[9:58] <ShiftPlusOne> hm
[9:59] <_aegis_> these should be high amperage ports, but the voltage isn't so great :P
[9:59] <ShiftPlusOne> so without taking the cable into account, you're already down to 4.6 just because of the hub and polyfuse.
[10:00] <_aegis_> I tried a couple of cables
[10:00] <_aegis_> using a shortish one right now
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[10:02] <_aegis_> found an adapter that throws a solid 5v at the plug, and the fuse is dropping .35 of that
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[10:03] <ShiftPlusOne> Did you do anything that would trip it recently?
[10:03] <_aegis_> yeah.
[10:03] <ShiftPlusOne> ah, well that explains that
[10:03] <_aegis_> but I was kernel panicking before that too :P
[10:04] <_aegis_> sometime in the last hour I accidentally plugged a 12v adapter into a hub
[10:04] <ShiftPlusOne> it should reset back to normal over time, but I don't know how well they recover.
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[10:05] <_aegis_> ooh I think there's another pi in the office I can steal for now
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[10:14] <_aegis_> that's better.
[10:14] <_aegis_> probably shouldn't be doing this at 1080p
[10:16] <ShiftPlusOne> Hm, diy acoustic levitation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qy1w6rTpC2g
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[10:17] <ShiftPlusOne> _aegis_, kernel more stable now?
[10:18] <_aegis_> very much so
[10:19] <ShiftPlusOne> hurray
[10:20] <_aegis_> thus far except for whatever broke Jumpman, the GPU seems to be pretty close to the SGX as far as GL -> ES conversion
[10:23] <_aegis_> going to try a more complicated game now
[10:24] <_aegis_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8DWP4_VjXc
[10:25] <ShiftPlusOne> looks very promising
[10:25] <_aegis_> oh I think that's the wrong one :D
[10:25] <_aegis_> thought it was the 1080p source
[10:26] <ShiftPlusOne> So.... sauerbraten next?
[10:26] <_aegis_> actually, yes
[10:26] <_aegis_> that's on my list of ported/working games.
[10:26] <_aegis_> :)
[10:26] <_aegis_> was gonna try stepmania first
[10:27] <davor> what type of switch is most convenient to use with a breadboard?
[10:27] <davor> DIP?
[10:27] <ShiftPlusOne> ah, well stalking your youtube channel gave the hint
[10:28] <ShiftPlusOne> davor, depends on what you need. If you don't need a momentary sort of switch, then yes, DIP works great.
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[10:29] <davor> DIP has a delay?
[10:29] <_aegis_> dip is annoying?
[10:30] <_aegis_> high bandwidth, high latency. versus a large single switch that's low latency, low bandwidth?
[10:30] <ShiftPlusOne> No, I mean that it's switch that's either on or off... not the sort that you press that creates a contact while you press and releases when you release
[10:31] <_aegis_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YaQBVMMYWw was the video I meant to upload
[10:31] <ShiftPlusOne> ("if you need a switch rather than a button" may have been the better way to word that)
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[10:31] <davor> ahh haha, thanks
[10:32] <davor> my problem is finding something that I can stick into a breadboard _aegis_
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[10:33] <ShiftPlusOne> The tactile buttons I got at ye local electronics shop fit fine as well
[10:33] <davor> I need a switch though
[10:34] <ShiftPlusOne> then DIP is your best option
[10:35] <ShiftPlusOne> since breadboards are kind of designed exactly for that chip package =/
[10:36] <davor> thanks, I'll get a DIP then
[10:37] <davor> hmmm...
[10:37] <davor> I got an idea, I don't know if it's plausible though, given the number of GPIO input pins I can use
[10:37] <davor> a graphic equalizer?
[10:37] <_aegis_> you can do serial
[10:38] <ShiftPlusOne> davor, keep in mind 16mA is max per pin, but there is also a total maximum, which I think is around 50mA, so you can't use that many pins to drive leds directly.
[10:39] <davor> ah, oh no, I mean input, not output, as in 4 pots, each for a certain frequency band
[10:39] <ShiftPlusOne> though you said input, so you probably mean something else.
[10:39] <davor> yeah
[10:39] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah... that >.>
[10:39] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, 'course.
[10:39] <gordonDrogon> morning...
[10:39] <ShiftPlusOne> and there's the in-house gpio expert.
[10:39] <davor> hmmm... how could I pull that off _aegis_ ?
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[10:40] <ShiftPlusOne> Ahoy, Gordon
[10:40] <davor> morning gordonDrogon !
[10:40] <gordonDrogon> What Ho!
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[10:40] <gordonDrogon> you want 4 analog inputs... Pi has no analog inputs )-:
[10:41] <gordonDrogon> 2 solutions - one is a cheap SPI based ADC the other is to use an Arduino/ATmega or something similar...
[10:41] <ShiftPlusOne> hm, I think my brain is done working for today... that should've been obvious.
[10:43] <davor> damn, thanks gordonDrogon
[10:43] <gordonDrogon> a day ends down under as another start up over :-)
[10:44] <nerdboy> almost 2am here...
[10:44] <gordonDrogon> davor, you can fake it with a digital pin, but it would require some creating programming.
[10:44] <gordonDrogon> you build a 1-bit ADC using a resistor, capacitor and the variable resistor - and software.
[10:45] <gordonDrogon> I have done this on a Pi to experiment with an LDR. It worked rather well.
[10:45] <gordonDrogon> one of these days I'll remember to write these little experiments up...
[10:46] <davor> hmmm... and do something like measuring the amount of time the pot has been changing value?
[10:46] <gordonDrogon> you measure the time it takes to charge the capacitor.
[10:46] <gordonDrogon> when the input flips from 0 to 1, it's charged, then you discharge it, and start again.
[10:47] <ShiftPlusOne> _aegis_, is there any possibility that something like oolite could use your shim or is objective c a real obstacle there?
[10:47] <gordonDrogon> you discharge it by making the pin an output and writing 0 to it, so the capacitor discharges (via a resistor) into the Pi's gpio pin to 0v.
[10:47] <_aegis_> ShiftPlusOne: objc isn't a huge obstacle. anything that runs on linux should work.
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[10:47] <_aegis_> I just did a double-take, as I don't see that much cross-platform objc :)
[10:47] <gordonDrogon> you create a sort of software oscillator round it and are effectively measuring the frequency.
[10:47] <ShiftPlusOne> hm
[10:47] <davor> wow, clever
[10:48] <_aegis_> that's awesome gordonDrogon
[10:48] <davor> indeed
[10:48] <gordonDrogon> lookup delta-sigma ADC - it's that sort of principle.
[10:48] <davor> thanks!
[10:49] <davor> oh boy, I'm so happy I got a Pi, this is awesome
[10:50] <nerdboy> night
[10:50] <davor> night, thanks for the help!
[10:50] <ShiftPlusOne> _aegis_, how did you get aquaria and uplink on the pandora? O_o
[10:50] <_aegis_> ShiftPlusOne: two main obstacles to something working with glshim: required system specs (cpu/ram), and the use of shaders (I don't support them)
[10:50] <_aegis_> they're both open-source.
[10:50] <_aegis_> the uplink port was actually a straight GLES port a couple years back
[10:51] <_aegis_> I got permission from them to just release it
[10:51] <ShiftPlusOne> ah, didn't know they were open source
[10:51] <_aegis_> they're open-source, with restricted content
[10:51] <ShiftPlusOne> got it
[10:51] <_aegis_> though introversion let me release uplink for free with the content
[10:52] <davor> I'm off to the electronics store, cya! thanks for all the help ShiftPlusOne, gordonDrogon, nerdboy, _aegis_ :)
[10:52] <ShiftPlusOne> have fun
[10:52] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/poorMansADC.jpg
[10:52] <davor> definitely :)
[10:52] <gordonDrogon> Hm. needs rotating, but you get the drift, as it were.
[10:53] <davor> indeed
[10:53] <davor> got a question though, what's the purpose of R2?
[10:53] <gordonDrogon> to limit the current flowing from the capacitor into the GPIO pin when you make the pin output 0v.
[10:54] <gordonDrogon> otherwise you'll get a very large inrush current - even though the cap. is relatively small.
[10:54] <gordonDrogon> I used 100Ω in my little tests.
[10:55] <gordonDrogon> working out suitable values is left as an excercise to the user ;-)
[10:55] <davor> ah, makes sense hehe
[10:56] <gordonDrogon> and each pin wil lbe slightly different as you're relying on their input transition from logic 0 to 1 which is at about 1.2v IIRC.
[10:56] <davor> that part shouldn't be difficult
[10:56] <gordonDrogon> This is almost like the old Apple II, although they used a 556 monostable for their paddle inputs.
[10:56] <davor> ah, I see
[10:57] <davor> hehe, interesting
[10:57] <gordonDrogon> you probably want r1 to be much higher than r2 too.
[10:58] <gordonDrogon> so pin to output, write 0, wait 2 mS to make sure it's discharged, then pin to input and start the clock, stop the clock when it becomes a 1 and measure the time. the longer the time, the higher the resistance of the VR is.
[10:59] <davor> that's pretty cool
[10:59] <davor> what's the minimum current the input pin is sensitive to by the way?
[10:59] <gordonDrogon> with some clevler coding, you could trigger an interrupt on the rising edge too so it uses very little overhead.
[10:59] <gordonDrogon> in input mode, the pins have a very high impedance - it's voltage they sense.
[11:00] <davor> interesting
[11:00] <davor> ah, right
[11:00] <gordonDrogon> in output mode they're effectively shorted to +3.3 or 0v.
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[11:03] <gordonDrogon> so today we have local event call Lamb Pie Day.
[11:04] <_aegis_> ShiftPlusOne: looks like I need gnustep to compile. might need to do a native compile.
[11:04] <rikkib> Lamp pie and chips
[11:05] <gordonDrogon> they close the street midday to midnight and there is sales stalls, street entertianement, etc.
[11:05] <gordonDrogon> rikkib, curciously enough I've yet to see someone selling lamb pies!
[11:05] <ShiftPlusOne> _aegis_ what's this for?
[11:05] <gordonDrogon> there is a competition, but I didn't enter as I was too busy baking for the freemans walk later on today.
[11:06] <_aegis_> for oolite
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[11:06] <rikkib> Mountain oyster pie...
[11:06] <ShiftPlusOne> Oh, I didn't realize you'd actually give it a go. That's awesome, thanks. I was just asking to see whether I should give it a go later down the line.
[11:06] <_aegis_> you can compile against MESA and run against my libs fyi
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[11:07] <_aegis_> I'm interested in as many test binaries as possible :)
[11:07] <ShiftPlusOne> interesting
[11:07] <_aegis_> because I mostly want to make the lib better.
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[11:08] <davor> sounds like a fun day gordonDrogon :)
[11:08] <_aegis_> I'll probably package up a "build pack" with libGL, libGLU, and headers for the pi - like I did for the pandora
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[11:08] <ShiftPlusOne> _aegis_, I haven't given oolite a go at all yet, since every discussion I have seen about compiling it on the pi didn't get far. IIRC they couldn't get past the js engine it uses.
[11:08] <_aegis_> -_-
[11:09] <_aegis_> my cross toolchain for the pandora is a beast and could probably do it but I don't have anything like that set up for the pi yet
[11:09] <ShiftPlusOne> _aegis_, do you use something like scratchbox, crosstool-ng or is it all your own?
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[11:11] <_aegis_> um
[11:11] <_aegis_> someone at some point made a code sourcery toolchain, and I've added many layers onto it
[11:11] <ShiftPlusOne> ah ok
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[11:21] <rikkib> Sat night super rugby semi finals... Crusaders V The Chiefs
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[11:29] <gordonDrogon> rikkib, that won't be the Exeter Chiefs then?
[11:31] <[Saint]> Not in New Zealand, no. :)
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[11:32] <cloudy_nz> too darn cold in NZ at the mo... _-/
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[12:04] <ShorTie> blaaa, Unable to open SPI device: No such file or directory
[12:05] <davor> does Arch for Pi have a command to list GPIO pin status?
[12:05] <ShiftPlusOne> davor, if you install wiringpi, sure.
[12:05] <davor> ah, nice
[12:05] <ShiftPlusOne> http://wiringpi.com/download-and-install/
[12:06] <davor> oh I thought it was just a C library!
[12:06] <davor> very nice.
[12:06] <davor> it's in the alarmpi repos!
[12:06] <ShiftPlusOne> I don't trust the repos to be maintained properly
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[12:07] <davor> that's a good point to be honest
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[12:07] <ShorTie> wiringPi is the rPi's right hand
[12:07] <ShiftPlusOne> omxplayer being an example >=/
[12:07] <davor> nice, 12 input pins
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[12:07] <davor> at my disposal
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[12:08] <ShorTie> depends on the type of input you want
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[12:12] <ShiftPlusOne> didn't think a yawn count be contagious just by text >_<
[12:12] <JakeSays> lol
[12:12] <davor> ditto
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[12:13] <davor> darn, I keep having to run down to the electronics store to pick up various resistors
[12:13] <ShiftPlusOne> buy an assorted kit sort of deal
[12:14] <ShiftPlusOne> off ebay
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[12:14] <davor> oh hey that's a great idea
[12:14] <ShiftPlusOne> and do the same for electrolytic and ceramic caps
[12:14] <davor> hadn't even occurred to me
[12:14] <davor> caps?
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[12:15] <davor> ah, capacitors, right haha
[12:15] <ShiftPlusOne> capacitors... they will come in handy if you're going to get into hardware
[12:15] <davor> I was thinking literally caps...
[12:15] <davor> as in, to put on the head
[12:16] <davor> no idea where that connection came from. anyway great idea
[12:16] <ShiftPlusOne> I suppose you could use a very large capacitor as a hat of some sort, but that's not what they're for.
[12:16] <davor> hahahaha
[12:16] <ShiftPlusOne> And make sure you wire things correctly or things tend to blow up >.> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/175702/ldo.jpg
[12:16] <JakeSays> lol
[12:16] <davor> woah haha
[12:17] <davor> that's a clean split
[12:17] <davor> what happened?
[12:17] <ShiftPlusOne> had a short on the other side
[12:17] <davor> ah
[12:17] <davor> haha, nice
[12:18] <davor> oh by the way, I assume it'd be a good idea to use a thyristor for LCD power instead of just wiring 5V directly to it?
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[12:20] <ShiftPlusOne> Ideally, you'd get a 3.3v LCD. Idn about thyristors though.
[12:21] <ShiftPlusOne> Or if you have to use a 5v, make sure it never tries to write back.
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[12:23] <ShorTie> l00ks like something has a split personality
[12:24] <ShiftPlusOne> >_<
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[12:31] <davor> I could put diodes on the pins that need to be protected
[12:31] <davor> thanks
[12:31] <davor> split personality?
[12:32] <ShiftPlusOne> keep in mind the diode voltage drop
[12:32] <ShorTie> ya, the picture
[12:32] <davor> ah, indeed
[12:32] <davor> oh hahaha
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[12:34] <ShorTie> i broke my program, lol.
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[12:35] <ShorTie> and all i did was move it over to a new raspian and wiringPi install .. :/~
[12:36] <gordonDrogon> davor, wiringPi comes with a utility called gpio - it's a bit of a GPIO swiss army knife ...
[12:36] <davor> already tried it out :D it's wonderful
[12:36] <gordonDrogon> ShorTie, if you upgraded from wiringPi v1 to v2, then you'll need to re-compile your code
[12:36] <davor> off to the store to pick up a breadboard, some wires and all the basic stuff, cya!
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[12:37] <Haxxa> hello
[12:37] <Haxxa> I am trying to installing cups on linux but I am difficulty
[12:39] <ShorTie> no v1 to v2 upgrade, and i tried recompiling
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[12:41] <cart_man> Whats the channel for Raspberry verion of Debean?
[12:41] <cart_man> Raspbean?
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[12:43] <ShorTie> and i've tried the other wiringPi, that was working with Arch, but still get same Unable to open SPI device: No such file or directory
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[12:44] <cart_man> Im running Debean Weezy on my Raspberry pi and for some reason I cant open any Apps over VNC ? Any suggestions? I cant open Terminal, Diluge or anything else really...
[12:45] <ShorTie> sortta sounds like your logged in as read only
[12:47] <[Saint]> ...it does?
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[12:52] <cart_man> I didnt enable that option
[12:52] <cart_man> I can right click though
[12:53] <gordonDrogon> ShorTie, did you gpio load spi ?
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[12:54] <gordonDrogon> ShorTie, it might be that Arch loads the spi kernel module by defualt - Raspbian doesn't.
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[12:54] <ShorTie> nop, and that fixed it
[12:54] <ShorTie> Thankz
[12:54] <ShorTie> now to get it to do it at boot
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[12:56] <gordonDrogon> you can either add the command into (e.g.) /etc/rc.local, or edit /etc/modules and add in the module name.
[12:57] <gordonDrogon> or un-blacklist it.
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[12:57] <gordonDrogon> If you're not using the Pi's own GPIO then you can load it as the 'pi' user then you don't need to be root to run
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[12:58] <ShorTie> okie dokie
[12:58] <gordonDrogon> in /etc/rc.local: su -c '/usr/local/bin/gpio load spi' pi
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[12:58] <gordonDrogon> it all depends on youre own preferance, really.
[12:59] <ShorTie> why would raspbian blacklist it ??
[12:59] <ShorTie> seems crewl, lol.
[12:59] <gordonDrogon> and wiringPi extended via serial port to an Arduino now works. you can seamlessly control the pins on an arduino from the Pi with the usual wiringPi digitalRead/write, and analogRead() too ...
[12:59] <gordonDrogon> ShorTie, because not everyone needs the SPI driver loaded at boot time.
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[12:59] <Haxxa> hello
[13:00] <gordonDrogon> same for the I2C driver - some people want to use those pins as GPIO rather than SPI, etc.
[13:00] <ShorTie> oh, ok
[13:00] <gordonDrogon> so it's easier to load the modules when needed than to unload them all the time when not needed.
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[13:05] <ShorTie> nano -w /etc/modprobe.d/raspi-blacklist.conf, seems easy enough
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[13:25] <_tockitj> in a high temp environment which part of rpi is likely to fail first ?
[13:25] <_tockitj> could it be SD card ?
[13:30] <ozzzy> how high
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[13:43] <davor> hmm
[13:44] <davor> ShiftPlusOne, why do I need both ceramic and electrolytic capacitors?
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[13:45] <ozzzy> sometimes you need a polarized cap
[13:46] <ShiftPlusOne> to skim over the details, electrolytic ones go up to higher values
[13:46] <ozzzy> yeah... hard to find a 2200uF ceramic LOL
[13:46] <davor> why do I need ceramic ones then though?
[13:47] <ShiftPlusOne> cheaper, don't have to worry about polarity, better response time (right?)
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[13:47] <ozzzy> take up less space
[13:47] <ShiftPlusOne> I'd imagine they last longer too, but hey, I am an electronics noob as well
[13:48] <davor> ah, makes sense to have both then, thanks!
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[13:50] <ShiftPlusOne> Seems like a decent article on the matter http://www.beavisaudio.com/techpages/Caps/
[13:50] <ShiftPlusOne> but it doesn't get into the details either
[13:50] <ShorTie> ya, but they can give you a pezo electric effect
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[13:52] <davor> thank you
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[13:52] <davor> also, I can calculate the capacity for a lower/higher voltage by using C1:V1=C2:V2, right?
[13:53] <ShiftPlusOne> Wah?
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[13:55] <davor> uh, nevermind
[13:55] <davor> I had a smelly gas expulsion by my brain
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[15:48] <Batolemaeus> i wish the pi had a piece of software that made my room cooler
[15:50] <Encrypt> Batolemaeus, Do you mean an integrated air cooler? :p
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[15:51] <Batolemaeus> perhaps. Anything to get my room below 30°C again
[15:51] <Davor> hm... seems I'm going to have to make the GPIO ribbon cable myself. all local shops only sell IDE ribbon cables
[15:52] <Davor> got a day's worth of frustration ahead, those wires are so tiny
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[15:53] <Batolemaeus> that does sound like a lot of fun indeed
[15:53] <Batolemaeus> actually..let me check something
[15:55] <Davor> I think I actually have an IDE cable here, might be able to saw off 7 columns
[15:55] <Batolemaeus> a floppy connector seems to work okay-ish
[15:55] <Batolemaeus> still a few columns too many though
[15:56] <Davor> hm
[15:56] <Davor> you know what, I'll just use that, I have one lying around
[15:57] <Davor> I'll just have to be really careful so I don't flip it the wrong way when plugging it in
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[16:15] <Davor> nope, no floppy cable, or ribbon of any kind
[16:15] <Davor> hm
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[17:18] <DEac-> hi
[17:19] <ShiftPlusOne> ey
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[17:20] <Exposure> vlc fails to play the rtsp stream from my rpi camera, any help?
[17:21] <Exposure> [01719a58] live555 demux error: Failed to connect with rtsp://rpicam:8554
[17:21] <Exposure> [023bda58] main input error: open of `rtsp://rpicam:8554' failed
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[17:22] <DEac-> i play a little bit with gpio. i connected a led (with resistor), everything works fine. but now i tried to connect a switch, this do not work. i tried last with a small cable to connect P1-01 <-> P1-08 (GPIO14). it bounces totaly. now i tried to touch with a cable GPIO14 directly, this bounces, too. all the time the cable (no connection on the other side) is connected, it bounces. gpio15 does not change his state any time and gpio18 is like gpio14. s
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[17:34] <Exposure> hmm its working now but there's a huge delay :(
[17:34] <Exposure> vlc needs the traililng \ behind the port number
[17:35] <Datalink> DEac-, switches require pullup and pulldown resistors, depending on how they're wired, to remove the bounce issues
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[17:36] <Datalink> if you're running the switch from power to a GPIO, you need a pulldown resistor, if you run the switch to ground, you need a pullup, basically the resistor is a high value and pushes the state to a known value instead of letting it float
[17:37] <Datalink> I can never remember which is prefered for the Pi though :/
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[17:40] <DEac-> Datalink: thanks. but why it is bouncing without any connection to gnd or power?
[17:41] <Datalink> DEac-, there's no path for electrons to flow, which makes the pin float, ambient static affects it when that's the case
[17:44] <DEac-> oh, that's very sensitive
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[17:48] <Datalink> DEac-, it's actually a very common issue with transistors themselves, the best option is to always use a pull(up/down) resistor as needed
[17:50] <Datalink> PNP and NPN have a sandwhich of one silicon type, when floating, there's nothing to prevent the electron flow across the transistor except the actual electron flow, so it causes it to bounce, I was inaccurate before about the static, sorry
[17:50] <SpeedEvil> And if you are attaching switches to a Pi - you should always have a resistor in series with the switch too - in case the Pi output is accidentally turned on.
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[17:51] <Datalink> oh good point, forgot about that one... yeah
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[17:52] <DEac-> oh yes, never thought about it
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[18:10] <clever> Datalink: i believe the pi has pullups built in, that can be enabled from software
[18:10] <clever> not sure how though
[18:10] <maxinux> wiringpi options
[18:11] <maxinux> http://elinux.org/RPi_Low-level_peripherals#GPIO_Pull_Up.2FPull_Down_Register_Example
[18:12] <clever> ah, it has pulldown also, wasnt sure
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[18:14] <cff> The NOOBS boot image can only be installed using a monitor right?
[18:14] <ShorTie> i believe so
[18:15] <cff> because there is no OS present beforehand... you have to use the NOOBS image to select which OS to install...
[18:15] <cff> therefore no SSH, VNC...
[18:16] <cff> then I guess I need to format the SD with a raw image
[18:16] <ShorTie> ya, use raspbian
[18:16] <cff> cause I don't have a monitor
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[18:17] <cff> but I thought I could use the monitor of my laptop as output for the raspberry pi using an HDMI cable from the PI to the HDMI port on the laptop... but I don't think this is possible
[18:18] <cff> because both ports are HDMI output
[18:19] <ShorTie> i like my rear view tft lcd for 15 bucks for a monitor
[18:21] <clever> cff: no tv with composite in?
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[18:22] <cff> clever: I have TV with composite in, the problem is I don't have a RCA video-in video-out cable... I got only an audio RCA cable (white and red cords on one end, and audio black on another)
[18:22] <clever> cff: ah :(
[18:22] <ShorTie> that will work
[18:23] <cff> ShorTie: what will work? the audio RCA cable?
[18:23] <ShorTie> thats what i'm using
[18:23] <cff> hmm
[18:24] <cff> ShorTie: Are you saying that you are using this cable http://www.optimization-world.com/img/prod/3_5_mm_rca_audio.jpg for video output ?
[18:24] <cff> ah, that one is mother calble, I have one with 2 father ends
[18:24] <clever> cff: that exact one, or one with the oposite RCA plug?
[18:25] <clever> cff: only answer i can see, is to short out the tip and middle ring on the headphone plug
[18:25] <clever> and then use the red&white as in&out
[18:25] <ShorTie> any old thing with rca ends on it will work
[18:26] <ShorTie> you need male ends
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[18:26] <ShorTie> use what ever plugs into that, lol.
[18:26] <cff> here's how the cable I have looks in reality: http://goo.gl/F55n4b
[18:27] <clever> cff: yeah, connect the tip and middle ring, thats about the only thing you can do with that
[18:27] <cff> this is an audio stereo RCA cable... you say it works for video?
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[18:27] <clever> if the left&right channel of the headphone jack are shorted, you can use the white&red as in/out
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[18:29] <ShorTie> ya, just short out the little end
[18:29] <cff> hmm let me try that
[18:29] <ShorTie> 2 of the 3
[18:29] <ShorTie> most likely tip and next 1 up
[18:29] <clever> yep
[18:29] <clever> just tried it on a spare cable here, works perfectly
[18:30] <clever> but its going to be oddly short
[18:30] <clever> because in and out are at the same end of the cord
[18:30] <ShorTie> your so clever
[18:31] <clever> i actualy had to make something very similar to that cord recently, my comosite tv takes video+audio in over a headphone cord
[18:31] <clever> and doesnt use the audio line
[18:31] <clever> hmmm, it expects video on the right channel and audio on the left channel
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[18:31] <clever> i just cut a headphone cord up and put a single rca jack on the end
[18:34] <clever> ShorTie: the latest thing ive done, i made a keyboard for my pi
[18:34] <clever> ShorTie: http://gallery.earthtools.ca/index.py/pi/captouch/WP_000145%20%282%29.jpg
[18:34] <clever> see the buttons?
[18:36] <ShorTie> ya
[18:36] <clever> all of them are fully working
[18:36] <clever> any guesses as to how?
[18:36] <ShorTie> nop
[18:36] <clever> http://gallery.earthtools.ca/index.py/pi/captouch/WP_000146%20%282%29.jpg
[18:36] <clever> capacitive touch sensor
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[18:37] <ShorTie> c00l
[18:37] <clever> http://gallery.earthtools.ca/index.py/pi/captouch/WP_000148.jpg
[18:37] <clever> just plugs directly into the pi, no extra hardware needed
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[18:38] <clever> linux treats it as a normal keyboard once you enable the right driver
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[18:38] <clever> so when i tap the box in the right spot, it thinks i typed a number from 0 to ~8
[18:38] <clever> from there, its simple to make a menu in any programming language, and run it on bootup
[18:39] <ShorTie> oh your so magical
[18:39] <clever> right now, i can navigate thru multiple levels of menus and pick options from it
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[18:39] <clever> but all it does it print different messages based on what i picked
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[18:40] <clever> need to add airodump-ng control, wpa supplicant control, and shutdown options
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[18:41] <ShorTie> i was wondering if you could flip the different screen sesions with button
[18:42] <ShorTie> flip thru*
[18:42] <clever> i can probably bind one key to control and another to a
[18:42] <clever> then just ctrl+a it
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[18:42] <clever> i didnt think to see if i can do control normaly, i just tested simple buttons like 0-9 and arrows/enter
[18:43] <clever> hold/release/repeat also work
[18:43] <clever> var mainMenuList = ['one','two','three','wifi','system control'];
[18:43] <clever> var mainMenuFunc = [test,test,test,wifi,systemControl];
[18:43] <ShorTie> sweet
[18:43] <clever> this is how simple i made the menu setup, an array of names, and functions
[18:44] <clever> i just tell a function to show this as a menu
[18:44] <clever> showMenu(mainMenuList,mainMenuFunc);
[18:46] <clever> ShorTie: https://privatepaste.com/b59cedf6ea and with code as simple as this, i can now shut it off with just a few taps
[18:47] <clever> just down a few times to pick system control, then enter twice
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[18:49] <ShorTie> nice
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[18:51] <ShorTie> i need to make up an auto-calibration rutine for my adc
[18:53] <clever> hardest part of putting it together was not being able to find the hot glue gun
[18:53] <Datalink> ugh, why isn't Samba running on my pi >.<
[18:54] <clever> in the end i gave up, cut a chunk off a glue stick, and hit it with a paint stripper
[18:54] <clever> 1200watt paint stripper!
[18:55] <SpeedEvil> clever: U use a blowtorch
[18:55] <SpeedEvil> clever: It's way faster to light than a gluestick.
[18:55] <SpeedEvil> If you just need a blob - you can have it ready in 5s.
[18:55] <SpeedEvil> If you need something more involved, you play the flame intermittently over the just-smoking surface
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[19:00] <clever> SpeedEvil: not sure where that is either
[19:00] <clever> id probly find the hot glue gun first :P
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[19:01] <nerdboy> so what does your cardboard pi actually do?
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[19:02] <nerdboy> maybe i missed the beginning...
[19:02] <clever> nerdboy: right now, all i can do is tap the box until it shuts itself off
[19:02] <clever> but i plan to add wifi cracking next
[19:02] <clever> and basic controls to connect to nearby wifi
[19:02] <clever> i can already run it off a lipo battery as well
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[20:09] <Batolemaeus> wtb: dmesg output of someone with a working rpi camera
[20:10] <Batolemaeus> will pay in cookies
[20:12] <ShorTie> chocolate chip or peanut butter ?
[20:13] <Batolemaeus> the former of course
[20:14] <ShorTie> i don't want recycled cookies
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[20:18] <ShorTie> i did notice last night that the new raspbian had a camera option in the 1st boot screen to enable it, but that is about the best i can do, sorry
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[20:25] <clever> SpeedEvil: found out why the hot glue gun is missing, dad took it :P
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[20:35] <Batolemaeus> am i really the only one in this channel who has that camera module? :(
[20:36] <ShorTie> nop
[20:36] <ShorTie> but i think most use raspbian with it
[20:36] <bronson> Mine just arrived yesterday. Haven't had a chance to unbox it yet.
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[20:41] <Batolemaeus> the distro isn't important, i'd just like to know how a working dmesg looks like
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[20:44] <penandum> Hey guys i am a bit stuck with something that google has failed me with
[20:44] <penandum> trying to get started via noobs and i.imgur.com/NX97cMR.jpg
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[20:45] <yggdrasil> yoyoyo
[20:46] <yggdrasil> wasp
[20:46] <yggdrasil> wasup even
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[20:47] <penandum> im not sure what i broke but i don't really know what to do besides just attempting with a normal raspian img
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[20:55] <penandum> which i just did... and it worked (y)
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[21:02] <blowpipe08> Did you copy the contants of the Noobs folder or did you leave all the files in that folder? Depending on how you copied them to the SD the script that runs may not have found the correct dir.
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[21:11] <ShorTie> well dat twasn't to bad
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[21:14] <bronson> #raspberrypi-dev
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[21:14] <bronson> GAH
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[21:29] <beet0l> hi folks.. i'm looking for a quick way to remove extra packages from my pi
[21:30] <beet0l> my sd card is filling up and i don't feel like going through packages one by one
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[21:30] <beet0l> (raspbian by the way)
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[21:34] <beet0l> nm - found dpigs
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[21:44] <beet0l> also found raspi-config!
[21:44] <beet0l> partition was too small
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[22:12] <gordonDrogon> beet0l, also, sudo apt-get clean
[22:12] <DEac-> Datalink: it does not work :/ it is like a teremin. if i get near by the raspberry pi, 14 and 18 are bouncing/floating/something else.
[22:13] <Datalink> DEac-, what does your circuit look like?
[22:13] <gordonDrogon> and do you have pull-up/downs set?
[22:15] <DEac-> gpio14>---|10kOhm|---/---x x---|10kOhm|---<GND x---<3V3
[22:16] <gordonDrogon> coming in late here... are you just trying to connect a simple button to the Pi?
[22:16] <DEac-> gordonDrogon: of course. it floating too
[22:16] <gordonDrogon> ok. just connect the gpio pin to the switch then to 0v.
[22:17] <gordonDrogon> enable the internal pull-up in the Pi.
[22:17] <DEac-> so Datalink means a 10kOhm as pulldown/up
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[22:17] <gordonDrogon> if you use either of the I2C pins there are on-board pull-ups already, so you don't need to use the internal ones.
[22:17] <Datalink> yeah, though gordonDrogon's right, the internal will be better
[22:17] <DEac-> gordonDrogon: i read, only 2 and 3 have internal pullup, i use 14,15,18
[22:18] <DEac-> ah ok
[22:18] <Datalink> I'm a rank amature compared with gordonDrogon
[22:18] <gordonDrogon> sure - only 2 pins, if you need 3 then you'll need to use pull-ups - external or internal.
[22:20] <gordonDrogon> pins 14,15 & 18 - that's the 2 serial pins plus one other?
[22:20] <DEac-> gpio14,15,18, so pin 6,8,10 (i think
[22:22] <DEac-> i think, i will try http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/projects/raspberrypi/tutorials/robot/buttons_and_switches/ tomorrow.
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[22:26] <psamim> Hi , Can I user the rasberry as router with only 1 nic?
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[22:29] <DEac-> psamim: a router like a dsl-router? no. routing between to ip-networks? yes.
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[22:29] <DEac-> but, it is slow
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[22:33] <psamim> DEac-: I want all the traffic goes through rasberry, so I can set a proxy or SSH Tunnel there,
[22:33] <psamim> Not an DSL router, there is a working network there,
[22:33] <psamim> Is it possible? Everywhere they say you have to have two NICs (1 extra USB-Nic)
[22:34] <psamim> Sorru for my English
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[22:34] <yggdrasil> whats up
[22:35] <chithead> the smc 9512 on the rpi supports vlans, so you can do routing with only one port
[22:36] <yggdrasil> cool
[22:36] <yggdrasil> 802.1q baby
[22:36] <DEac-> psamim: that is not a router, it is a proxy-server/other-server
[22:36] <Matrikular> hello there
[22:36] <psamim> DEac-: I want to set it as gateway for other clients,
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[22:37] <DEac-> psamim: ip-gateway / ... ?
[22:37] <psamim> DEac-: yes,
[22:38] <Matrikular> id like to use my pi as a webcam "server", i got the cam running but wouldnt know how to get the pictures taken up to, say an ftp server
[22:38] <DEac-> you have to different ip-networks and one ethernet?
[22:38] <psamim> chithead: you mean extra vlan with its own ip?
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[22:38] <chithead> vlan works on a different layer
[22:39] <chithead> you can have multiple ips on one interface without vlan already
[22:39] <rikkib> Webcam
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[22:40] <psamim> DEac-: no, now it is inside my current network, but I want to be able to set as gateway, so everyones traffic go through rasberry,
[22:40] <DEac-> psamim: it is very slow, you know?
[22:40] <psamim> DEac-: maybe iptable is enough, hm?
[22:40] <psamim> DEac-: No i did not know about the speed,
[22:41] <DEac-> psamim: 10MB/s
[22:41] <psamim> DEac-: that is OK , :)
[22:41] <DEac-> if you have 1GBit/s it is only 10%
[22:41] <psamim> Extra OK with my 1Mbps internet
[22:41] <psamim> :)
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[22:41] <yggdrasil> who was working on the roomba in here ?
[22:42] <cariboulou> I've just bought my pi and it's having this odd issue where it doesn't always register the key presses, and sometimes it acts as if the key is stuck down, it sort of just repeats the key until I press another. Are there any solutions to this?
[22:42] <psamim> DEac-: now, what should I do? Thank you for taking your time
[22:43] <DEac-> psamim: you need to different ip-networks. one static ip-network with pi and router. the other clients get there ips from pi via dhcp
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[22:43] <DEac-> psamim: which router do you have?
[22:44] <psamim> DEac-: what you said, needs two NICs, hm?
[22:44] <DEac-> psamim: no. only one.
[22:44] <psamim> DEac-: I have a DSL Router, the brand you mean?
[22:44] <DEac-> psamim: yes and model
[22:45] <plugwash> You don't strictly speaking need two nics but if you don't have two nics you get into all the fun of one-armed routing
[22:45] <plugwash> and i'm not sure how well linux handled one armed routing
[22:45] <JakeSays> better than one-x86'd routing :p
[22:45] <plugwash> lol
[22:46] <psamim> DEac-: Why does matter? I have a Mikrotik Router, A Linksys and a TPLINK :)
[22:46] <rikkib> ipmasq
[22:46] <psamim> DEac-: TPLINK and Linksys are DSL routers,
[22:46] <rikkib> is the package
[22:46] <DEac-> psamim: you should use one of them as gateway. they are faster
[22:47] <psamim> DEac-: And how let the all traffic go through rasberry too?
[22:47] <DEac-> i do not know, what you want to do, but my router has more power than my raspberry pi (but lesser memory)
[22:47] <DEac-> psamim: why do you want this?
[22:47] * corvolino`afk is now known as corvolino
[22:47] <psamim> I cannot setup SSH Tunnerling on them,
[22:47] <psamim> or a program like sshuttle,
[22:48] <DEac-> psamim: tunneling from ehere to where?
[22:48] <psamim> to a broad server which has free internet access unlike here,
[22:48] <psamim> I can do that in my PC in Debian,
[22:49] <psamim> But my pc needs to be always on, and everyone in the network has to set the proxy to my PC,
[22:49] <DEac-> what is broad server?
[22:49] <psamim> I mean a linux server in Europe.
[22:50] <DEac-> psamim: you want to route all your network traffic to this server?
[22:50] <psamim> yes,
[22:50] <psamim> in a secure way.
[22:50] <DEac-> that is not a ssh-tunnel
[22:51] <psamim> I do it with SSH -D PORT on my PC,
[22:51] <DEac-> ah ok, you want to use sshuttle
[22:51] <psamim> yes,
[22:51] <DEac-> what is SSH -D PORT?
[22:51] <psamim> I mentioned it before, sshuttle
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[22:51] <psamim> the command is say
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[22:52] <psamim> SSH - D LOCALHOST:PORT user@server
[22:52] <DEac-> i think you mean ssh -D ?
[22:52] <psamim> yes, i did say that.
[22:52] <DEac-> no, SSH != ssh
[22:52] <psamim> can I use sshuttle on rasberry
[22:52] <psamim> ooo
[22:53] <psamim> sorry :)
[22:53] <psamim> ssh -D
[22:54] <DEac-> i do not know sshuttle, but if you can run it on your pi, of course. you need to setup it and i think dhcp. you router is not allowed to provide dhcp anymore
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[22:55] <psamim> DEac-: So how can I make my rasbperry do dhcp anc routing?
[22:57] <psamim> DEac-: Sorry to take your time, I think I found a related post, http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/7223/using-the-raspberry-pi-as-a-router
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[22:57] <MachinaeWolf> Hmm I still get errors trying to use sound :/
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[22:58] <DEac-> psil: you need dnsmasq (for example)
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[23:12] <RiXtEr> Do one wire sensors only need the one wire attached to the pi (i2c stuff) or do I also need the ground (I am powering my sensor via a seperate 5v power supply)
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[23:14] <hydroxygen> you will need a ground , power source and the lead to the sensor output, at least
[23:15] <RiXtEr> hydroxygen, right, but right now I have the ground and VCC+ from a different power supply
[23:15] <RiXtEr> do I also need to ground back to the PI or is the onewire enough?
[23:16] <Encrypt> RiverRat, You always need two poles connected to power a dipole
[23:16] <RiXtEr> Encrypt, tab complete fail, or was that ment for RiverRat ?
[23:17] <hydroxygen> the grounds need to be common with an external source
[23:17] <Encrypt> RiXtEr, Ya, tab complete fail :p
[23:17] <RiXtEr> heh
[23:17] <RiXtEr> ok
[23:19] <Encrypt> RiXtEr, So, you'll always need at least to have a positive (or negative) voltage with the ground
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[23:19] <Encrypt> More generally, a voltage difference to power a dipole
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[23:44] <_genuser_> hello folks. Anybody running gentoo on pi with X?
[23:44] <Encrypt> :D
[23:44] <SpeedEvil> No, just windows 3.11 here.
[23:45] <Encrypt> Nope. Raspbian is good. :)
[23:45] <SpeedEvil> oops. 3.11wg
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[23:45] <_genuser_> windows 3.11? I bet it's blazing fast.
[23:46] * SpeedEvil is having a flashback - as he's had to turn images on the internet off.
[23:47] <_genuser_> lol, I remember Yahoo front page on dialup. Flash downloads for their ads would take forever.
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[23:48] <_genuser_> then people got DSL and Yahoo increased the size of their flash content. So it's just as slow. And now on FIOS, yahoo has caught up again.
[23:48] <SpeedEvil> I have 200 meg to last me till tuesday.
[23:48] <SpeedEvil> Which would be sort-of-OK.
[23:48] <SpeedEvil> But the 'you have X left' page updates about daily, and I think it's behind.
[23:48] <SpeedEvil> And it's £102/G extra if I go over the limit.
[23:49] <SpeedEvil> Assuming for the moment the happy assumption that they fix my DSL on tuesday
[23:49] <_genuser_> so you're out of DSL using sometype of 3G plan?
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[23:50] <_genuser_> I installed raspbmc on the pi and it's a little laggy. Plus it doesn't have an internet browser. Which totally suck 'coz I can't watch netflix on the "media center".
[23:51] <_genuser_> So I was thinking of putting minimal gentoo, X, xbmc, and use regular browser. But I don't konw if it will handle all that. Last time I installed all that on a 700MHz pentium II, it was very slow.
[23:51] <SpeedEvil> _genuser_, yes
[23:52] <SpeedEvil> _genuser_: Usually 1G/mo is plenty for the tiny amount of time I'm away from DSL.
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[23:53] <MachinaeWolf> hmm i3 is being odd, workspaces are being glitchy :/
[23:53] <_genuser_> no no, I had 2G and youtube takes that up in a week.
[23:54] <MachinaeWolf> Was I supposed to do anything other than set i3 in the .xinitrc?
[23:54] <SpeedEvil> I 'need' about a gig a day at least.
[23:55] <_genuser_> that's more normal for this day and age.
[23:55] <_genuser_> lol.
[23:58] <gordonDrogon> mobile data is still expensive )-:
[23:58] <gordonDrogon> Three has some of the better deals, but for lots of data its still expensive )-:
[23:58] <gordonDrogon> I use giffgaff...
[23:59] <SpeedEvil> In principle - they offer a pretty reasonable 'all you can eat' PAYG service.
[23:59] <gordonDrogon> yea, it's just the paying part that's hard )-:

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